Um , if you go to spontaneous speech then it 's  it 's trickier and  and  and , uh , the phones are  uh , you know , it 's gonna be based on bad pronunciation models that you have of

and , um  And it won't allow for the overlapping phenomenon

Mmm. So it 's almost like there 's this mechanism that we have that , you know , when  when we 're hearing read speech and all the phonemes are there you know , we  we deal with that , but  but when we go to conversational , and then all of a sudden not all the phonemes are there , it doesn't really matter that much to us as humans because we have some kind of mechanism that allows for these word models , whatever those models are , to be  munged , you know , and  and it doesn't really hurt , and I 'm not sure how   how to build that in. Uh.


Um , if you go to spontaneous speech then it 's  it 's trickier and  and  and , uh , the phones are  uh , you know , it 's gonna be based on bad pronunciation models that you have of

and , um  And it won't allow for the overlapping phenomenon

Mmm. So it 's almost like there 's this mechanism that we have that , you know , when  when we 're hearing read speech and all the phonemes are there you know , we  we deal with that , but  but when we go to conversational , and then all of a sudden not all the phonemes are there , it doesn't really matter that much to us as humans because we have some kind of mechanism that allows for these word models , whatever those models are , to be  munged , you know , and  and it doesn't really hurt , and I 'm not sure how   how to build that in. Uh.

Yeah , I mean , I guess the other thing i is  is to think of a little bit  I mean , we when y when you start looking at these kind of results I think it usually is  is pretty intuitive , but start looking at um , what are the kinds of confusions that you do make , uh , you know , between words if you want or  or  or , uh , even phones in  in  in  in read speech , say , uh , when there is noise. You know , so is it more across place or more across manner ? Or is it cor you know , is it  ?


and , um  And it won't allow for the overlapping phenomenon

Mmm. So it 's almost like there 's this mechanism that we have that , you know , when  when we 're hearing read speech and all the phonemes are there you know , we  we deal with that , but  but when we go to conversational , and then all of a sudden not all the phonemes are there , it doesn't really matter that much to us as humans because we have some kind of mechanism that allows for these word models , whatever those models are , to be  munged , you know , and  and it doesn't really hurt , and I 'm not sure how   how to build that in. Uh.

Yeah , I mean , I guess the other thing i is  is to think of a little bit  I mean , we when y when you start looking at these kind of results I think it usually is  is pretty intuitive , but start looking at um , what are the kinds of confusions that you do make , uh , you know , between words if you want or  or  or , uh , even phones in  in  in  in read speech , say , uh , when there is noise. You know , so is it more across place or more across manner ? Or is it cor you know , is it  ?


Mmm. So it 's almost like there 's this mechanism that we have that , you know , when  when we 're hearing read speech and all the phonemes are there you know , we  we deal with that , but  but when we go to conversational , and then all of a sudden not all the phonemes are there , it doesn't really matter that much to us as humans because we have some kind of mechanism that allows for these word models , whatever those models are , to be  munged , you know , and  and it doesn't really hurt , and I 'm not sure how   how to build that in. Uh.

Yeah , I mean , I guess the other thing i is  is to think of a little bit  I mean , we when y when you start looking at these kind of results I think it usually is  is pretty intuitive , but start looking at um , what are the kinds of confusions that you do make , uh , you know , between words if you want or  or  or , uh , even phones in  in  in  in read speech , say , uh , when there is noise. You know , so is it more across place or more across manner ? Or is it cor you know , is it  ?

I mean , I know one thing that happens is that you  you  you , uh , you lose the , um , uh , low energy phones. I mean , if there 's added noise then low energy phones  sometimes don't get heard. And if that  if that is  if it  uh , if that turns it into another word or  or different  you know , or another pair of words or something , then it 's more likely to happen. But , um , I don't know , I w I would  I would guess that you 'd


Yeah , I mean , I guess the other thing i is  is to think of a little bit  I mean , we when y when you start looking at these kind of results I think it usually is  is pretty intuitive , but start looking at um , what are the kinds of confusions that you do make , uh , you know , between words if you want or  or  or , uh , even phones in  in  in  in read speech , say , uh , when there is noise. You know , so is it more across place or more across manner ? Or is it cor you know , is it  ?

I mean , I know one thing that happens is that you  you  you , uh , you lose the , um , uh , low energy phones. I mean , if there 's added noise then low energy phones  sometimes don't get heard. And if that  if that is  if it  uh , if that turns it into another word or  or different  you know , or another pair of words or something , then it 's more likely to happen. But , um , I don't know , I w I would  I would guess that you 'd


I mean , I know one thing that happens is that you  you  you , uh , you lose the , um , uh , low energy phones. I mean , if there 's added noise then low energy phones  sometimes don't get heard. And if that  if that is  if it  uh , if that turns it into another word or  or different  you know , or another pair of words or something , then it 's more likely to happen. But , um , I don't know , I w I would  I would guess that you 'd


I mean , I know one thing that happens is that you  you  you , uh , you lose the , um , uh , low energy phones. I mean , if there 's added noise then low energy phones  sometimes don't get heard. And if that  if that is  if it  uh , if that turns it into another word or  or different  you know , or another pair of words or something , then it 's more likely to happen. But , um , I don't know , I w I would  I would guess that you 'd

I think part of the difficulty is that a l a lot of the robustness that we have is probably coming from a much higher level.


I think part of the difficulty is that a l a lot of the robustness that we have is probably coming from a much higher level.


I think part of the difficulty is that a l a lot of the robustness that we have is probably coming from a much higher level.

You know , we understand the context of the situation when we 're having a conversation. And so if there 's noise in there , you know , our brain fills in and imagines what  what should be there.


You know , we understand the context of the situation when we 're having a conversation. And so if there 's noise in there , you know , our brain fills in and imagines what  what should be there.

Yeah. We 're  we 're doing some sort of prediction of what


Yeah. We 're  we 're doing some sort of prediction of what


Uh , but I mean , even if you do um , uh , diagnostic rhyme test kind of things , you know , where there really isn't an any information like that , uh , people are still better in noise than they  than they are in  in , uh  uh , than the machines are.


Uh , but I mean , even if you do um , uh , diagnostic rhyme test kind of things , you know , where there really isn't an any information like that , uh , people are still better in noise than they  than they are in  in , uh  uh , than the machines are.

So , I mean , that 's  i Right. We can't  we can't get it at all without any language models. Language models are there and important but  but , uh  Uh. If we 're not working on that then  we should work on something else and improve it , but  especially if it looks like the potential is there. So  Should we do some digits ?


So , I mean , that 's  i Right. We can't  we can't get it at all without any language models. Language models are there and important but  but , uh  Uh. If we 're not working on that then  we should work on something else and improve it , but  especially if it looks like the potential is there. So  Should we do some digits ?


OK , so Eva , co uh  could you read your numbers ?


Yeah , let 's get started. Um  Hopefully Nancy will come , if not , she won't.


Yeah , let 's get started. Um  Hopefully Nancy will come , if not , she won't.

Uh , Robert , do you uh have any way to turn off your uh screensaver on there so that it 's not going off every  uh , it seems to have about at two minute


Yeah , let 's get started. Um  Hopefully Nancy will come , if not , she won't.

Uh , Robert , do you uh have any way to turn off your uh screensaver on there so that it 's not going off every  uh , it seems to have about at two minute

Yeah , I 've  I  uh  it 's not that I didn't try.


Uh , Robert , do you uh have any way to turn off your uh screensaver on there so that it 's not going off every  uh , it seems to have about at two minute

Yeah , I 've  I  uh  it 's not that I didn't try.

and um I  I told it to stay on forever and ever , but if it 's not plugged in it just doesn't obey my commands.


Yeah , I 've  I  uh  it 's not that I didn't try.

and um I  I told it to stay on forever and ever , but if it 's not plugged in it just doesn't obey my commands.


and um I  I told it to stay on forever and ever , but if it 's not plugged in it just doesn't obey my commands.


But I I just  You know , sort of keep on wiggling.


But I I just  You know , sort of keep on wiggling.

But uh  we 'll just be m m working on it at intensity so it doesn't happen. We 'll see. Should we plunge right into it ?


But uh  we 'll just be m m working on it at intensity so it doesn't happen. We 'll see. Should we plunge right into it ?


So what I 've tried to do here is list all the decision nodes that we have identified on this  side. Commented and  what they 're about and sort of  the properties we may um give them. And here are the uh  tasks to be implemented via our data collection. So all of these tasks  The reading is out of these tasks more or less imply that the user wants to go there , sometime or the other. And analogously for example , here we have our EVA um  intention. And these are the data tasks where w we can assume the person would like to enter , view or just approach the thing. Analogously the same on the object information we can see that , you know , we have sort of created these tasks before we came up with our decision nodes so there 's a lot of things where we have no analogous tasks , and  that may or may not be a problem. We can change the tasks slightly if we feel that we should have data for e sort of for every decision node so  trying to im um  implant the intention of going to a place now , going to a place later on the same tour , or trying to plant the intention of going sometime on the next tour , or the next day or whenever.


So what I 've tried to do here is list all the decision nodes that we have identified on this  side. Commented and  what they 're about and sort of  the properties we may um give them. And here are the uh  tasks to be implemented via our data collection. So all of these tasks  The reading is out of these tasks more or less imply that the user wants to go there , sometime or the other. And analogously for example , here we have our EVA um  intention. And these are the data tasks where w we can assume the person would like to enter , view or just approach the thing. Analogously the same on the object information we can see that , you know , we have sort of created these tasks before we came up with our decision nodes so there 's a lot of things where we have no analogous tasks , and  that may or may not be a problem. We can change the tasks slightly if we feel that we should have data for e sort of for every decision node so  trying to im um  implant the intention of going to a place now , going to a place later on the same tour , or trying to plant the intention of going sometime on the next tour , or the next day or whenever.

But I think that might be overdoing it a little.


So what I 've tried to do here is list all the decision nodes that we have identified on this  side. Commented and  what they 're about and sort of  the properties we may um give them. And here are the uh  tasks to be implemented via our data collection. So all of these tasks  The reading is out of these tasks more or less imply that the user wants to go there , sometime or the other. And analogously for example , here we have our EVA um  intention. And these are the data tasks where w we can assume the person would like to enter , view or just approach the thing. Analogously the same on the object information we can see that , you know , we have sort of created these tasks before we came up with our decision nodes so there 's a lot of things where we have no analogous tasks , and  that may or may not be a problem. We can change the tasks slightly if we feel that we should have data for e sort of for every decision node so  trying to im um  implant the intention of going to a place now , going to a place later on the same tour , or trying to plant the intention of going sometime on the next tour , or the next day or whenever.

But I think that might be overdoing it a little.

So  Yeah. So let me pop up a level. And uh s s make sure that we 're all oriented the same. So What we 're gonna do today is two related things. Uh one of them is to work on the semantics of the belief - net which is going to be the main inference engine for thi the system uh making decisions. And decisions are going to turn out to be parameter choices for calls on other modules. so f the natural language understanding thing is uh , we think gonna only have to choose parameters , but You know , a fairly large set of parameters. So to do that , we need to do two things. One of which is figure out what all the choices are , which we 've done a fair amount. Then we need to figure out what influences its choices and finally we have to do some technical work on the actual belief relations and presumably estimates of the probabilities and stuff. But we aren't gonna do the probability stuff today. Technical stuff we 'll do  uh  another day. Probably next week. But we are gonna worry about all the decisions and the things that pert that contribute to them. And we 're also , sort of uh in the same process , going to work with Fey on what there should be in the dialogues. So One of the s steps that 's coming up real soon is to actually get subjects uh  in here , and have them actually record like this. Uh record dialogues more or less. And  depending on what Fey sort of provokes them to say , we 'll get information on different things.


But I think that might be overdoing it a little.

So  Yeah. So let me pop up a level. And uh s s make sure that we 're all oriented the same. So What we 're gonna do today is two related things. Uh one of them is to work on the semantics of the belief - net which is going to be the main inference engine for thi the system uh making decisions. And decisions are going to turn out to be parameter choices for calls on other modules. so f the natural language understanding thing is uh , we think gonna only have to choose parameters , but You know , a fairly large set of parameters. So to do that , we need to do two things. One of which is figure out what all the choices are , which we 've done a fair amount. Then we need to figure out what influences its choices and finally we have to do some technical work on the actual belief relations and presumably estimates of the probabilities and stuff. But we aren't gonna do the probability stuff today. Technical stuff we 'll do  uh  another day. Probably next week. But we are gonna worry about all the decisions and the things that pert that contribute to them. And we 're also , sort of uh in the same process , going to work with Fey on what there should be in the dialogues. So One of the s steps that 's coming up real soon is to actually get subjects uh  in here , and have them actually record like this. Uh record dialogues more or less. And  depending on what Fey sort of provokes them to say , we 'll get information on different things.

Well how people phrase different intentions more or less ,


But I think that might be overdoing it a little.

So  Yeah. So let me pop up a level. And uh s s make sure that we 're all oriented the same. So What we 're gonna do today is two related things. Uh one of them is to work on the semantics of the belief - net which is going to be the main inference engine for thi the system uh making decisions. And decisions are going to turn out to be parameter choices for calls on other modules. so f the natural language understanding thing is uh , we think gonna only have to choose parameters , but You know , a fairly large set of parameters. So to do that , we need to do two things. One of which is figure out what all the choices are , which we 've done a fair amount. Then we need to figure out what influences its choices and finally we have to do some technical work on the actual belief relations and presumably estimates of the probabilities and stuff. But we aren't gonna do the probability stuff today. Technical stuff we 'll do  uh  another day. Probably next week. But we are gonna worry about all the decisions and the things that pert that contribute to them. And we 're also , sort of uh in the same process , going to work with Fey on what there should be in the dialogues. So One of the s steps that 's coming up real soon is to actually get subjects uh  in here , and have them actually record like this. Uh record dialogues more or less. And  depending on what Fey sort of provokes them to say , we 'll get information on different things.

Well how people phrase different intentions more or less ,

So  Fo - v yeah people with the  phrase them


So  Yeah. So let me pop up a level. And uh s s make sure that we 're all oriented the same. So What we 're gonna do today is two related things. Uh one of them is to work on the semantics of the belief - net which is going to be the main inference engine for thi the system uh making decisions. And decisions are going to turn out to be parameter choices for calls on other modules. so f the natural language understanding thing is uh , we think gonna only have to choose parameters , but You know , a fairly large set of parameters. So to do that , we need to do two things. One of which is figure out what all the choices are , which we 've done a fair amount. Then we need to figure out what influences its choices and finally we have to do some technical work on the actual belief relations and presumably estimates of the probabilities and stuff. But we aren't gonna do the probability stuff today. Technical stuff we 'll do  uh  another day. Probably next week. But we are gonna worry about all the decisions and the things that pert that contribute to them. And we 're also , sort of uh in the same process , going to work with Fey on what there should be in the dialogues. So One of the s steps that 's coming up real soon is to actually get subjects uh  in here , and have them actually record like this. Uh record dialogues more or less. And  depending on what Fey sort of provokes them to say , we 'll get information on different things.

Well how people phrase different intentions more or less ,

So  Fo - v yeah people with the  phrase them


Well how people phrase different intentions more or less ,

So  Fo - v yeah people with the  phrase them

and so  Uh for , you know , Keith and people worrying about what constructions people use , uh  we have some i we have some ways to affect that by the way the dialogues go. So what Robert kindly did , is to lay out a table of the kinds of uh  things that  that might come up , and , the kinds of decisions. So the uh  uh  on the left are decision nodes , and discreet values. So if  if we 're right , you can get by with um just this middle column worth of decisions , and it 's not all that many , and it 's perfectly feasible technically to build belief - nets that will do that. And he has a handout.


So  Fo - v yeah people with the  phrase them

and so  Uh for , you know , Keith and people worrying about what constructions people use , uh  we have some i we have some ways to affect that by the way the dialogues go. So what Robert kindly did , is to lay out a table of the kinds of uh  things that  that might come up , and , the kinds of decisions. So the uh  uh  on the left are decision nodes , and discreet values. So if  if we 're right , you can get by with um just this middle column worth of decisions , and it 's not all that many , and it 's perfectly feasible technically to build belief - nets that will do that. And he has a handout.

Yeah. Maybe it was too fast plunging in there , because j we have two updates.


and so  Uh for , you know , Keith and people worrying about what constructions people use , uh  we have some i we have some ways to affect that by the way the dialogues go. So what Robert kindly did , is to lay out a table of the kinds of uh  things that  that might come up , and , the kinds of decisions. So the uh  uh  on the left are decision nodes , and discreet values. So if  if we 're right , you can get by with um just this middle column worth of decisions , and it 's not all that many , and it 's perfectly feasible technically to build belief - nets that will do that. And he has a handout.

Yeah. Maybe it was too fast plunging in there , because j we have two updates.


and so  Uh for , you know , Keith and people worrying about what constructions people use , uh  we have some i we have some ways to affect that by the way the dialogues go. So what Robert kindly did , is to lay out a table of the kinds of uh  things that  that might come up , and , the kinds of decisions. So the uh  uh  on the left are decision nodes , and discreet values. So if  if we 're right , you can get by with um just this middle column worth of decisions , and it 's not all that many , and it 's perfectly feasible technically to build belief - nets that will do that. And he has a handout.

Yeah. Maybe it was too fast plunging in there , because j we have two updates.

Um you can look at this if you want , these are what our subject 's going to have to fill out. Any comments I can  can still be made and the changes will be put in correspondingly.


Yeah. Maybe it was too fast plunging in there , because j we have two updates.

Um you can look at this if you want , these are what our subject 's going to have to fill out. Any comments I can  can still be made and the changes will be put in correspondingly.


Um you can look at this if you want , these are what our subject 's going to have to fill out. Any comments I can  can still be made and the changes will be put in correspondingly.

Let me summarize in two sentences , mainly for Eva 's benefit , who probably has not heard about the data collection , at all.


Let me summarize in two sentences , mainly for Eva 's benefit , who probably has not heard about the data collection , at all.


No. OK. We were gonna put this in front of people. They give us some information on themselves.


No. OK. We were gonna put this in front of people. They give us some information on themselves.

Then  then they will read uh  a task where lots of German words are sort of thrown in between. And um  and they have to read isolated proper names And these change


Then  then they will read uh  a task where lots of German words are sort of thrown in between. And um  and they have to read isolated proper names And these change

No , this is not the release form. This is the speaker information form.


No , this is not the release form. This is the speaker information form.

The release form is over there in that box.


The release form is over there in that box.

And um  And then they gonna have to f um um choose from one of these tasks , which are listed here. They  they pick a couple , say three  uh  uh six as a matter of fact. Six different things they sort of think they would do if they were in Heidelberg or traveling someplace  and um  and they have a map.


And um  And then they gonna have to f um um choose from one of these tasks , which are listed here. They  they pick a couple , say three  uh  uh six as a matter of fact. Six different things they sort of think they would do if they were in Heidelberg or traveling someplace  and um  and they have a map.

Like this. Very sketchy , simplified map. And they can take notes on that map. And then they call this computer system that works perfectly , and understands everything.


Like this. Very sketchy , simplified map. And they can take notes on that map. And then they call this computer system that works perfectly , and understands everything.


The comp Yeah , the computer system sits right in front of you ,


And she has a way of making this machine talk. So she can copy sentences into a window , or type really fast and this machine will use speech synthesis to produce that. So if you ask " How do I get to the castle " then a m s several seconds later it 'll come out of here " In order to get to the castle you do  "


And she has a way of making this machine talk. So she can copy sentences into a window , or type really fast and this machine will use speech synthesis to produce that. So if you ask " How do I get to the castle " then a m s several seconds later it 'll come out of here " In order to get to the castle you do  "

OK ? And um  And then after three tasks the system breaks down. And Fey comes on the phone as a human operator. And says " Sorry the system broke down but let 's continue. " And we sort of get the idea what people do when they s think they speak to a machine and what people say when they think they speak to a human , or know , or assume they speak to a human.


OK ? And um  And then after three tasks the system breaks down. And Fey comes on the phone as a human operator. And says " Sorry the system broke down but let 's continue. " And we sort of get the idea what people do when they s think they speak to a machine and what people say when they think they speak to a human , or know , or assume they speak to a human.


OK ? And um  And then after three tasks the system breaks down. And Fey comes on the phone as a human operator. And says " Sorry the system broke down but let 's continue. " And we sort of get the idea what people do when they s think they speak to a machine and what people say when they think they speak to a human , or know , or assume they speak to a human.

That 's the data collection. And um  And Fey has some thirty subjects lined up ? Something ?


That 's the data collection. And um  And Fey has some thirty subjects lined up ? Something ?


That 's the data collection. And um  And Fey has some thirty subjects lined up ? Something ?

And um  And they 're  r ready uh  to roll.


And um  And they 're  r ready uh  to roll.

And we 're gonna start tomorrow at three ? four ? one ?


And um  And they 're  r ready uh  to roll.

And we 're gonna start tomorrow at three ? four ? one ?

Tomorrow , well we don't know for sure. Because we don't know whether that person is coming or not ,


And we 're gonna start tomorrow at three ? four ? one ?

Tomorrow , well we don't know for sure. Because we don't know whether that person is coming or not ,


Tomorrow , well we don't know for sure. Because we don't know whether that person is coming or not ,

And um we 're still l looking for a room on the sixth floor because they stole away that conference room. Um  behind our backs. But


And um we 're still l looking for a room on the sixth floor because they stole away that conference room. Um  behind our backs. But

Well , there are these  uh  uh  oh , I see , we have to  Yeah , it 's tricky. We 'll  let 's  let  we 'll do that off - line , OK.


And um we 're still l looking for a room on the sixth floor because they stole away that conference room. Um  behind our backs. But

Well , there are these  uh  uh  oh , I see , we have to  Yeah , it 's tricky. We 'll  let 's  let  we 'll do that off - line , OK.

Yeah , but I  i i it 's happening. David and  and Jane and  and Lila are working on that as we speak.


Well , there are these  uh  uh  oh , I see , we have to  Yeah , it 's tricky. We 'll  let 's  let  we 'll do that off - line , OK.

Yeah , but I  i i it 's happening. David and  and Jane and  and Lila are working on that as we speak.

OK. That was the uh  the data collection in a nutshell. And um  I can report a  so I did this but I also tried to do this  so if I click on here , Isn't this wonderful ? we get to the uh  uh belief - net just focusing on  on the g Go - there node. uh  Analogously this would be sort of the reason node and the timing node and so forth.


Yeah , but I  i i it 's happening. David and  and Jane and  and Lila are working on that as we speak.

OK. That was the uh  the data collection in a nutshell. And um  I can report a  so I did this but I also tried to do this  so if I click on here , Isn't this wonderful ? we get to the uh  uh belief - net just focusing on  on the g Go - there node. uh  Analogously this would be sort of the reason node and the timing node and so forth.


OK. That was the uh  the data collection in a nutshell. And um  I can report a  so I did this but I also tried to do this  so if I click on here , Isn't this wonderful ? we get to the uh  uh belief - net just focusing on  on the g Go - there node. uh  Analogously this would be sort of the reason node and the timing node and so forth.

And what w what happened is that um design - wise I 'd sort of n noticed that we can  we still get a lot of errors from a lot of points to one of these sub Go - there User Go - there Situation nodes. So I came up with a couple of additional nodes here where um whether the user is thrifty or not , and what his budget is currently like , is going to result in some financial state of the user. How much will he  is he willing to spend ? Or can spend. Being the same at this  just the money available , which may influence us , whether he wants to go there if it is  you know  charging tons of dollars for admission or its gonna g cost a lot of t e whatever. Twenty - two million to fly to International Space Station , you know. just  Not all people can do that.


And what w what happened is that um design - wise I 'd sort of n noticed that we can  we still get a lot of errors from a lot of points to one of these sub Go - there User Go - there Situation nodes. So I came up with a couple of additional nodes here where um whether the user is thrifty or not , and what his budget is currently like , is going to result in some financial state of the user. How much will he  is he willing to spend ? Or can spend. Being the same at this  just the money available , which may influence us , whether he wants to go there if it is  you know  charging tons of dollars for admission or its gonna g cost a lot of t e whatever. Twenty - two million to fly to International Space Station , you know. just  Not all people can do that.

So , and this actually turned out to be pretty key , because having specified sort of these  uh  this  this  intermediate level Um and sort of noticing that everything that happens here  let 's go to our favorite endpoint one is again more or less  we have  um  then the situation nodes contributing to the  the endpoint situation node , which contributes to the endpoint and so forth. um  I can now sort of draw straight lines from these to here , meaning it g of course goes where the sub - S  everything that comes from situation , everything that comes from user goes with the sub - U , and whatever we specify for the so - called " Keith node " , or the discourse , what comes from the  um  parser , construction parser , um will contribute to the D and the ontology to the sub - O node. And um one just s sort of has to watch which  also final decision node so it doesn't make sense  t to figure out whether he wants to enter , view or approach an object if he never wants to go there in the first place. But this makes the design thing fairly simple. And um now all w that 's left to do then is the CPG 's , the conditional probabilities , for the likelihood of a person having enough money , actually wanting to go a place if it costs , you know this or that. And um  OK. and once um Bhaskara has finished his classwork that 's where we 're gonna end up doing. You get involved in that process too. And um  And for now uh the  the question is " How much of these decisions do we want to build in explicitly into our data collection ? " So  Um , one could  sort of  think of  you know we could call the z see or  you know , people who visit the zoo we could s call it " Visit the zoo tomorrow " , so we have an intention of seeing something , but not now  but later.


And what w what happened is that um design - wise I 'd sort of n noticed that we can  we still get a lot of errors from a lot of points to one of these sub Go - there User Go - there Situation nodes. So I came up with a couple of additional nodes here where um whether the user is thrifty or not , and what his budget is currently like , is going to result in some financial state of the user. How much will he  is he willing to spend ? Or can spend. Being the same at this  just the money available , which may influence us , whether he wants to go there if it is  you know  charging tons of dollars for admission or its gonna g cost a lot of t e whatever. Twenty - two million to fly to International Space Station , you know. just  Not all people can do that.

So , and this actually turned out to be pretty key , because having specified sort of these  uh  this  this  intermediate level Um and sort of noticing that everything that happens here  let 's go to our favorite endpoint one is again more or less  we have  um  then the situation nodes contributing to the  the endpoint situation node , which contributes to the endpoint and so forth. um  I can now sort of draw straight lines from these to here , meaning it g of course goes where the sub - S  everything that comes from situation , everything that comes from user goes with the sub - U , and whatever we specify for the so - called " Keith node " , or the discourse , what comes from the  um  parser , construction parser , um will contribute to the D and the ontology to the sub - O node. And um one just s sort of has to watch which  also final decision node so it doesn't make sense  t to figure out whether he wants to enter , view or approach an object if he never wants to go there in the first place. But this makes the design thing fairly simple. And um now all w that 's left to do then is the CPG 's , the conditional probabilities , for the likelihood of a person having enough money , actually wanting to go a place if it costs , you know this or that. And um  OK. and once um Bhaskara has finished his classwork that 's where we 're gonna end up doing. You get involved in that process too. And um  And for now uh the  the question is " How much of these decisions do we want to build in explicitly into our data collection ? " So  Um , one could  sort of  think of  you know we could call the z see or  you know , people who visit the zoo we could s call it " Visit the zoo tomorrow " , so we have an intention of seeing something , but not now  but later.

Right. Yeah. Yeah , so  let 's s uh s see I th I think that from one point of view , Uh , um , all these places are the same , so that d d That , um  in terms of the linguistics and stuff , there may be a few different kinds of places , so I th i it seems to me that We ought to decide you know , what things are k are actually going to matter to us. And um , so the zoo , and the university and the castle , et cetera. Um are all big - ish things that um  you know  have different parts to them , and one of them might be fine.


So , and this actually turned out to be pretty key , because having specified sort of these  uh  this  this  intermediate level Um and sort of noticing that everything that happens here  let 's go to our favorite endpoint one is again more or less  we have  um  then the situation nodes contributing to the  the endpoint situation node , which contributes to the endpoint and so forth. um  I can now sort of draw straight lines from these to here , meaning it g of course goes where the sub - S  everything that comes from situation , everything that comes from user goes with the sub - U , and whatever we specify for the so - called " Keith node " , or the discourse , what comes from the  um  parser , construction parser , um will contribute to the D and the ontology to the sub - O node. And um one just s sort of has to watch which  also final decision node so it doesn't make sense  t to figure out whether he wants to enter , view or approach an object if he never wants to go there in the first place. But this makes the design thing fairly simple. And um now all w that 's left to do then is the CPG 's , the conditional probabilities , for the likelihood of a person having enough money , actually wanting to go a place if it costs , you know this or that. And um  OK. and once um Bhaskara has finished his classwork that 's where we 're gonna end up doing. You get involved in that process too. And um  And for now uh the  the question is " How much of these decisions do we want to build in explicitly into our data collection ? " So  Um , one could  sort of  think of  you know we could call the z see or  you know , people who visit the zoo we could s call it " Visit the zoo tomorrow " , so we have an intention of seeing something , but not now  but later.

Right. Yeah. Yeah , so  let 's s uh s see I th I think that from one point of view , Uh , um , all these places are the same , so that d d That , um  in terms of the linguistics and stuff , there may be a few different kinds of places , so I th i it seems to me that We ought to decide you know , what things are k are actually going to matter to us. And um , so the zoo , and the university and the castle , et cetera. Um are all big - ish things that um  you know  have different parts to them , and one of them might be fine.

Hmm. Hmm , hmm. Yeah  The  the reason why we did it that way , as a  as a reminder , is uh  no person is gonna do all of them.


Right. Yeah. Yeah , so  let 's s uh s see I th I think that from one point of view , Uh , um , all these places are the same , so that d d That , um  in terms of the linguistics and stuff , there may be a few different kinds of places , so I th i it seems to me that We ought to decide you know , what things are k are actually going to matter to us. And um , so the zoo , and the university and the castle , et cetera. Um are all big - ish things that um  you know  have different parts to them , and one of them might be fine.

Hmm. Hmm , hmm. Yeah  The  the reason why we did it that way , as a  as a reminder , is uh  no person is gonna do all of them.

They 're just gonna select u um , according to their preferences.


Hmm. Hmm , hmm. Yeah  The  the reason why we did it that way , as a  as a reminder , is uh  no person is gonna do all of them.

They 're just gonna select u um , according to their preferences.


They 're just gonna select u um , according to their preferences.

" Ah , yeah , I usually visit zoos , or I usually visit castles , or I usually  " And then you pick that one.


They 're just gonna select u um , according to their preferences.

" Ah , yeah , I usually visit zoos , or I usually visit castles , or I usually  " And then you pick that one.

Right , no no , but  but s th point is to  to y to  build a system that 's got everything in it that might happen you do one thing.


" Ah , yeah , I usually visit zoos , or I usually visit castles , or I usually  " And then you pick that one.

Right , no no , but  but s th point is to  to y to  build a system that 's got everything in it that might happen you do one thing.


" Ah , yeah , I usually visit zoos , or I usually visit castles , or I usually  " And then you pick that one.

Right , no no , but  but s th point is to  to y to  build a system that 's got everything in it that might happen you do one thing.

T to build a system that um  had the most data on a relatively confined set of things , you do something else. And the speech people , for example , are gonna do better if they  if  things come up uh  repeatedly. Now , of course , if everybody says exactly the same thing then it 's not interesting. So , all I 'm saying is i th there 's  there 's a kind of question of what we 're trying t to accomplish. and  I think my temptation for the data gathering would be to uh , you know  And each person is only gonna do it once , so you don't have to worry about them being bored , so if  if it 's one service , one luxury item , you know , one big - ish place , and so forth and so on , um  then my guess is that  that the data is going to be easier to handle. Now of course you have this I guess possible danger that somehow there 're certain constructions that people use uh when talking about a museum that they wouldn't talk about with a university and stuff , um  but I guess I 'm  I uh m my temptation is to go for simpler. You know , less variation. But I don't know what other people think about this in terms of


Right , no no , but  but s th point is to  to y to  build a system that 's got everything in it that might happen you do one thing.

T to build a system that um  had the most data on a relatively confined set of things , you do something else. And the speech people , for example , are gonna do better if they  if  things come up uh  repeatedly. Now , of course , if everybody says exactly the same thing then it 's not interesting. So , all I 'm saying is i th there 's  there 's a kind of question of what we 're trying t to accomplish. and  I think my temptation for the data gathering would be to uh , you know  And each person is only gonna do it once , so you don't have to worry about them being bored , so if  if it 's one service , one luxury item , you know , one big - ish place , and so forth and so on , um  then my guess is that  that the data is going to be easier to handle. Now of course you have this I guess possible danger that somehow there 're certain constructions that people use uh when talking about a museum that they wouldn't talk about with a university and stuff , um  but I guess I 'm  I uh m my temptation is to go for simpler. You know , less variation. But I don't know what other people think about this in terms of


T to build a system that um  had the most data on a relatively confined set of things , you do something else. And the speech people , for example , are gonna do better if they  if  things come up uh  repeatedly. Now , of course , if everybody says exactly the same thing then it 's not interesting. So , all I 'm saying is i th there 's  there 's a kind of question of what we 're trying t to accomplish. and  I think my temptation for the data gathering would be to uh , you know  And each person is only gonna do it once , so you don't have to worry about them being bored , so if  if it 's one service , one luxury item , you know , one big - ish place , and so forth and so on , um  then my guess is that  that the data is going to be easier to handle. Now of course you have this I guess possible danger that somehow there 're certain constructions that people use uh when talking about a museum that they wouldn't talk about with a university and stuff , um  but I guess I 'm  I uh m my temptation is to go for simpler. You know , less variation. But I don't know what other people think about this in terms of


T to build a system that um  had the most data on a relatively confined set of things , you do something else. And the speech people , for example , are gonna do better if they  if  things come up uh  repeatedly. Now , of course , if everybody says exactly the same thing then it 's not interesting. So , all I 'm saying is i th there 's  there 's a kind of question of what we 're trying t to accomplish. and  I think my temptation for the data gathering would be to uh , you know  And each person is only gonna do it once , so you don't have to worry about them being bored , so if  if it 's one service , one luxury item , you know , one big - ish place , and so forth and so on , um  then my guess is that  that the data is going to be easier to handle. Now of course you have this I guess possible danger that somehow there 're certain constructions that people use uh when talking about a museum that they wouldn't talk about with a university and stuff , um  but I guess I 'm  I uh m my temptation is to go for simpler. You know , less variation. But I don't know what other people think about this in terms of

like I I  I guess we 're trying to  limit the detail of our ontology or types of places that someone could go , right ? But who is it that has to care about this , or what component of the system ?


like I I  I guess we 're trying to  limit the detail of our ontology or types of places that someone could go , right ? But who is it that has to care about this , or what component of the system ?

Oh , well , uh  th I think there are two places where it comes up. One is uh  in the  th these people who are gonna take this and  and try to do speech with it.


like I I  I guess we 're trying to  limit the detail of our ontology or types of places that someone could go , right ? But who is it that has to care about this , or what component of the system ?

Oh , well , uh  th I think there are two places where it comes up. One is uh  in the  th these people who are gonna take this and  and try to do speech with it.

uh  Lots of pronunciations of th of the same thing are going to give you better data than l you know , a few pronunciations of lots more things.


Oh , well , uh  th I think there are two places where it comes up. One is uh  in the  th these people who are gonna take this and  and try to do speech with it.

uh  Lots of pronunciations of th of the same thing are going to give you better data than l you know , a few pronunciations of lots more things.


uh  Lots of pronunciations of th of the same thing are going to give you better data than l you know , a few pronunciations of lots more things.


uh  Lots of pronunciations of th of the same thing are going to give you better data than l you know , a few pronunciations of lots more things.

So we would rather just ask  uh have a bunch of people talk about the zoo , uh and assume that that will  that the constructions that they use there will give us everything we need to know about these sort of zoo , castle , whatever type things , these bigger places.


So we would rather just ask  uh have a bunch of people talk about the zoo , uh and assume that that will  that the constructions that they use there will give us everything we need to know about these sort of zoo , castle , whatever type things , these bigger places.

Bigger  Y yeah thi well this is a question for


So we would rather just ask  uh have a bunch of people talk about the zoo , uh and assume that that will  that the constructions that they use there will give us everything we need to know about these sort of zoo , castle , whatever type things , these bigger places.

Bigger  Y yeah thi well this is a question for

And that way you get the speech data of people saying " zoo " over and over again or whatever too.


Bigger  Y yeah thi well this is a question for

And that way you get the speech data of people saying " zoo " over and over again or whatever too.


And that way you get the speech data of people saying " zoo " over and over again or whatever too.


and , you know , if we  if we do , and we probably will , actually try to uh build a prototype , uh probably we could get by with the prototype only handling a few of them anyway. So , Um


and , you know , if we  if we do , and we probably will , actually try to uh build a prototype , uh probably we could get by with the prototype only handling a few of them anyway. So , Um

Yeah , the this was sort of  these are all different sort of activities. Um But I think y I  I got the point and I think I like it. We can do  put them in a more hierarchical fashion. So , " Go to place " and then give them a choice , you know either they 're the symphony type or opera type or the tourist site guide type or the nightclub disco type person and they say " yeah this is  on that " go to big - ish place " ,


and , you know , if we  if we do , and we probably will , actually try to uh build a prototype , uh probably we could get by with the prototype only handling a few of them anyway. So , Um

Yeah , the this was sort of  these are all different sort of activities. Um But I think y I  I got the point and I think I like it. We can do  put them in a more hierarchical fashion. So , " Go to place " and then give them a choice , you know either they 're the symphony type or opera type or the tourist site guide type or the nightclub disco type person and they say " yeah this is  on that " go to big - ish place " ,

this is what I would do. " And then we have the " Fix " thing , and then maybe " Do something the other day " thing , so. My question is  I guess , to some extent , we should  y we just have to try it out and see if it works. It would be challenging , in  in a sense , to try to make it so  so complex that they even really should schedule , or to plan it , uh , a more complex thing in terms of OK , you know , they should get the feeling that there are these s six things they have to do and they sh can be done maybe in two days.


Yeah , the this was sort of  these are all different sort of activities. Um But I think y I  I got the point and I think I like it. We can do  put them in a more hierarchical fashion. So , " Go to place " and then give them a choice , you know either they 're the symphony type or opera type or the tourist site guide type or the nightclub disco type person and they say " yeah this is  on that " go to big - ish place " ,

this is what I would do. " And then we have the " Fix " thing , and then maybe " Do something the other day " thing , so. My question is  I guess , to some extent , we should  y we just have to try it out and see if it works. It would be challenging , in  in a sense , to try to make it so  so complex that they even really should schedule , or to plan it , uh , a more complex thing in terms of OK , you know , they should get the feeling that there are these s six things they have to do and they sh can be done maybe in two days.


this is what I would do. " And then we have the " Fix " thing , and then maybe " Do something the other day " thing , so. My question is  I guess , to some extent , we should  y we just have to try it out and see if it works. It would be challenging , in  in a sense , to try to make it so  so complex that they even really should schedule , or to plan it , uh , a more complex thing in terms of OK , you know , they should get the feeling that there are these s six things they have to do and they sh can be done maybe in two days.


Yeah. Well , I think it 's easy enough to set that up if that 's your expectation. So , the uh system could say , " Well , uh we 'd like to  to set up your program for two days in Heidelberg , you know , let 's first think about all the things you might like to do. So there  th i i in  I mean  in  I th I  I 'm sure that if that 's what you did then they would start telling you about that , and then you could get into um various things about ordering , if you wanted.


Yeah. Well , I think it 's easy enough to set that up if that 's your expectation. So , the uh system could say , " Well , uh we 'd like to  to set up your program for two days in Heidelberg , you know , let 's first think about all the things you might like to do. So there  th i i in  I mean  in  I th I  I 'm sure that if that 's what you did then they would start telling you about that , and then you could get into um various things about ordering , if you wanted.

Mm - hmm. Yeah. Yeah , but I think this is part of the instructor 's job. And that can be done , sort of to say , " OK now we 've picked these six tasks. " " Now you have you can call the system and you have two days. "


Mm - hmm. Yeah. Yeah , but I think this is part of the instructor 's job. And that can be done , sort of to say , " OK now we 've picked these six tasks. " " Now you have you can call the system and you have two days. "

No , we have to help  we have to decide. Fey will p carry out whatever we decide. But we have to decide you know , what is the appropriate scenario. That 's what we 're gonna talk about t yeah.


No , we have to help  we have to decide. Fey will p carry out whatever we decide. But we have to decide you know , what is the appropriate scenario. That 's what we 're gonna talk about t yeah.


No , we have to help  we have to decide. Fey will p carry out whatever we decide. But we have to decide you know , what is the appropriate scenario. That 's what we 're gonna talk about t yeah.

But these are two different scenarios entirely. I mean , one is a planner  The other , it kind of give you instructions on the spot


No , we have to help  we have to decide. Fey will p carry out whatever we decide. But we have to decide you know , what is the appropriate scenario. That 's what we 're gonna talk about t yeah.

But these are two different scenarios entirely. I mean , one is a planner  The other , it kind of give you instructions on the spot

Yeah , but th the  I don't  I 'm not really interested in sort of " Phase planning " capabilities. But it 's more the  how do people phrase these planning requests ? So are we gonna masquerade the system as this  as you said simple response system , " I have one question I get one response " , or should we allow for a certain level of complexity. And a I w think the data would be nicer if we get temporal references.


But these are two different scenarios entirely. I mean , one is a planner  The other , it kind of give you instructions on the spot

Yeah , but th the  I don't  I 'm not really interested in sort of " Phase planning " capabilities. But it 's more the  how do people phrase these planning requests ? So are we gonna masquerade the system as this  as you said simple response system , " I have one question I get one response " , or should we allow for a certain level of complexity. And a I w think the data would be nicer if we get temporal references.


But these are two different scenarios entirely. I mean , one is a planner  The other , it kind of give you instructions on the spot

Yeah , but th the  I don't  I 'm not really interested in sort of " Phase planning " capabilities. But it 's more the  how do people phrase these planning requests ? So are we gonna masquerade the system as this  as you said simple response system , " I have one question I get one response " , or should we allow for a certain level of complexity. And a I w think the data would be nicer if we get temporal references.

Well , um it seems that  Yeah , I mean , off the top of my head it kinda seems like you would probably just want , you know , richer data , more complex stuff going on , people trying to do more complex sets of things. I mean  you know , if our goal is to really sort of be able to handle a whole bunch of different stuff , then throwing harder situations at people will get them to do more linguistic  more interesting linguistic stuff. But I mean  I 'm  I 'm not really sure Uh , because I don't fully understand like what our choices are of ways to do this here yet.


Yeah , but th the  I don't  I 'm not really interested in sort of " Phase planning " capabilities. But it 's more the  how do people phrase these planning requests ? So are we gonna masquerade the system as this  as you said simple response system , " I have one question I get one response " , or should we allow for a certain level of complexity. And a I w think the data would be nicer if we get temporal references.

Well , um it seems that  Yeah , I mean , off the top of my head it kinda seems like you would probably just want , you know , richer data , more complex stuff going on , people trying to do more complex sets of things. I mean  you know , if our goal is to really sort of be able to handle a whole bunch of different stuff , then throwing harder situations at people will get them to do more linguistic  more interesting linguistic stuff. But I mean  I 'm  I 'm not really sure Uh , because I don't fully understand like what our choices are of ways to do this here yet.

I mean w we have tested this and a y have you heard  listen to the f first two or th as a matter of fact the second person is uh  is  was faced with exactly this kind of setup.


Well , um it seems that  Yeah , I mean , off the top of my head it kinda seems like you would probably just want , you know , richer data , more complex stuff going on , people trying to do more complex sets of things. I mean  you know , if our goal is to really sort of be able to handle a whole bunch of different stuff , then throwing harder situations at people will get them to do more linguistic  more interesting linguistic stuff. But I mean  I 'm  I 'm not really sure Uh , because I don't fully understand like what our choices are of ways to do this here yet.

I mean w we have tested this and a y have you heard  listen to the f first two or th as a matter of fact the second person is uh  is  was faced with exactly this kind of setup.

I started to listen to one and it was just like , um , uh , sort of depressing.


I mean w we have tested this and a y have you heard  listen to the f first two or th as a matter of fact the second person is uh  is  was faced with exactly this kind of setup.

I started to listen to one and it was just like , um , uh , sort of depressing.

I thought I 'd just sort of listen to the beginning part and the person was just sort of reading off her script or something. And.


I started to listen to one and it was just like , um , uh , sort of depressing.

I thought I 'd just sort of listen to the beginning part and the person was just sort of reading off her script or something. And.


I thought I 'd just sort of listen to the beginning part and the person was just sort of reading off her script or something. And.


Um , it is  already with this it got pretty  with this setup and that particular subject it got pretty complex.


Um , it is  already with this it got pretty  with this setup and that particular subject it got pretty complex.

Maybe  I suggest we make some fine tuning of these , get  sort of  run through ten or so subjects


Maybe  I suggest we make some fine tuning of these , get  sort of  run through ten or so subjects


Maybe  I suggest we make some fine tuning of these , get  sort of  run through ten or so subjects

and then take a breather , and see whether we wanna make it more complex or not , depending on what  what sort of results we 're getting.


Maybe  I suggest we make some fine tuning of these , get  sort of  run through ten or so subjects

and then take a breather , and see whether we wanna make it more complex or not , depending on what  what sort of results we 're getting.

Right. Yeah. It  In fact , um , I am just you know  today , next couple days gonna start really diving into this data. I 've basically looked at one of the files  you know one of these  l y y y you gave me those dozens of files and I looked at one of them which was about ten sentences , found fifteen , twenty different construction types that we would have to look for and so on and like , " alright , well , let 's start here. " Um. So I haven't really gone into the , you know  looked at all of the stuff that 's going on. So I don't really  Right , I mean , once I start doing that I 'll have more to say about this kind of thing.


and then take a breather , and see whether we wanna make it more complex or not , depending on what  what sort of results we 're getting.

Right. Yeah. It  In fact , um , I am just you know  today , next couple days gonna start really diving into this data. I 've basically looked at one of the files  you know one of these  l y y y you gave me those dozens of files and I looked at one of them which was about ten sentences , found fifteen , twenty different construction types that we would have to look for and so on and like , " alright , well , let 's start here. " Um. So I haven't really gone into the , you know  looked at all of the stuff that 's going on. So I don't really  Right , I mean , once I start doing that I 'll have more to say about this kind of thing.


Right. Yeah. It  In fact , um , I am just you know  today , next couple days gonna start really diving into this data. I 've basically looked at one of the files  you know one of these  l y y y you gave me those dozens of files and I looked at one of them which was about ten sentences , found fifteen , twenty different construction types that we would have to look for and so on and like , " alright , well , let 's start here. " Um. So I haven't really gone into the , you know  looked at all of the stuff that 's going on. So I don't really  Right , I mean , once I start doing that I 'll have more to say about this kind of thing.

But well th but you did say something important , which is that um you can probably keep yourself fairly well occupied uh  with the simple cases for quite a while.


But well th but you did say something important , which is that um you can probably keep yourself fairly well occupied uh  with the simple cases for quite a while.


But well th but you did say something important , which is that um you can probably keep yourself fairly well occupied uh  with the simple cases for quite a while.

Although , obviously th so  so that sa s does suggest that  Uh , now , I have looked at all the data , and it 's pre it 's actually at least to an amateur , quite redundant.


Although , obviously th so  so that sa s does suggest that  Uh , now , I have looked at all the data , and it 's pre it 's actually at least to an amateur , quite redundant.

That  that it was  it was very stylized , and quite a lot of people said more or less the same thing.


Although , obviously th so  so that sa s does suggest that  Uh , now , I have looked at all the data , and it 's pre it 's actually at least to an amateur , quite redundant.

That  that it was  it was very stylized , and quite a lot of people said more or less the same thing.

I um  I did sort of scan it at first and noticed that , and then looked in detail at one of them.


That  that it was  it was very stylized , and quite a lot of people said more or less the same thing.

I um  I did sort of scan it at first and noticed that , and then looked in detail at one of them.


I um  I did sort of scan it at first and noticed that , and then looked in detail at one of them.

So , we  we  we wanna do more than that.


So , we  we  we wanna do more than that.

And with this we 're getting more. No question.


So , we  we  we wanna do more than that.

And with this we 're getting more. No question.

uh w do we wanna get going beyond more , which is sort of the


And with this we 're getting more. No question.

uh w do we wanna get going beyond more , which is sort of the

Well , OK , so let 's  let 's take  let 's I  I think your suggestion is good , which is we 'll do a b uh  a batch. OK. And , uh , Fey , How long is it gonna be till you have ten subjects ? Couple days ? Or thr f a A week ? Or  I don't  I don't have a feel for th


uh w do we wanna get going beyond more , which is sort of the

Well , OK , so let 's  let 's take  let 's I  I think your suggestion is good , which is we 'll do a b uh  a batch. OK. And , uh , Fey , How long is it gonna be till you have ten subjects ? Couple days ? Or thr f a A week ? Or  I don't  I don't have a feel for th

Um  I can  Yeah , I mean I s I think can probably schedule ten people , uh , whenever.


uh w do we wanna get going beyond more , which is sort of the

Well , OK , so let 's  let 's take  let 's I  I think your suggestion is good , which is we 'll do a b uh  a batch. OK. And , uh , Fey , How long is it gonna be till you have ten subjects ? Couple days ? Or thr f a A week ? Or  I don't  I don't have a feel for th

Um  I can  Yeah , I mean I s I think can probably schedule ten people , uh , whenever.

Well , it 's  it 's up to you , I mean I j I  uh e We don't have any huge time pressure. It 's just  when you have t


Well , OK , so let 's  let 's take  let 's I  I think your suggestion is good , which is we 'll do a b uh  a batch. OK. And , uh , Fey , How long is it gonna be till you have ten subjects ? Couple days ? Or thr f a A week ? Or  I don't  I don't have a feel for th

Um  I can  Yeah , I mean I s I think can probably schedule ten people , uh , whenever.

Well , it 's  it 's up to you , I mean I j I  uh e We don't have any huge time pressure. It 's just  when you have t


Um  I can  Yeah , I mean I s I think can probably schedule ten people , uh , whenever.

Well , it 's  it 's up to you , I mean I j I  uh e We don't have any huge time pressure. It 's just  when you have t


Well , it 's  it 's up to you , I mean I j I  uh e We don't have any huge time pressure. It 's just  when you have t


Oh , OK. So let 's do this. Let 's plan next Monday , OK , to have a review of what we have so far.


No , we won't have the transcriptions , but what we should be able to do and I don't know if , Fey , if you will have time to do this , but it would be great if you could , um , not transcribe it all , but pick out uh , some stuff. I mean we could lis uh  just sit here and listen to it all. Are you gonna have the audio on the web site ? OK.


No , we won't have the transcriptions , but what we should be able to do and I don't know if , Fey , if you will have time to do this , but it would be great if you could , um , not transcribe it all , but pick out uh , some stuff. I mean we could lis uh  just sit here and listen to it all. Are you gonna have the audio on the web site ? OK.

Until we reach the gigabyte thing and David Johnson s ki kills me. And we 're gonna put it on the web site. Yeah.


No , we won't have the transcriptions , but what we should be able to do and I don't know if , Fey , if you will have time to do this , but it would be great if you could , um , not transcribe it all , but pick out uh , some stuff. I mean we could lis uh  just sit here and listen to it all. Are you gonna have the audio on the web site ? OK.

Until we reach the gigabyte thing and David Johnson s ki kills me. And we 're gonna put it on the web site. Yeah.

Oh , we could get  I mean , you can buy another disk for two hundred dollars , right ? I mean it 's  it 's not like  OK. So , we 'll take care of David Johnson.


No , we won't have the transcriptions , but what we should be able to do and I don't know if , Fey , if you will have time to do this , but it would be great if you could , um , not transcribe it all , but pick out uh , some stuff. I mean we could lis uh  just sit here and listen to it all. Are you gonna have the audio on the web site ? OK.

Until we reach the gigabyte thing and David Johnson s ki kills me. And we 're gonna put it on the web site. Yeah.

Oh , we could get  I mean , you can buy another disk for two hundred dollars , right ? I mean it 's  it 's not like  OK. So , we 'll take care of David Johnson.

No , he  uh , he  he has been solving all our problems or  is wonderful ,


Until we reach the gigabyte thing and David Johnson s ki kills me. And we 're gonna put it on the web site. Yeah.

Oh , we could get  I mean , you can buy another disk for two hundred dollars , right ? I mean it 's  it 's not like  OK. So , we 'll take care of David Johnson.

No , he  uh , he  he has been solving all our problems or  is wonderful ,


Oh , we could get  I mean , you can buy another disk for two hundred dollars , right ? I mean it 's  it 's not like  OK. So , we 'll take care of David Johnson.

No , he  uh , he  he has been solving all our problems or  is wonderful ,


No , he  uh , he  he has been solving all our problems or  is wonderful ,


Alright. So we 'll buy a disk. But anyway , so , um , If you  if you can think of a way  to uh , point us to th to interesting things , sort of as you 're doing this or  or something uh , make your  make notes or something that  that this is , you know , something worth looking at. And other than that , yeah I guess we 'll just have to uh , listen  although I guess it 's only ten minutes each , right ? Roughly.


Alright. So we 'll buy a disk. But anyway , so , um , If you  if you can think of a way  to uh , point us to th to interesting things , sort of as you 're doing this or  or something uh , make your  make notes or something that  that this is , you know , something worth looking at. And other than that , yeah I guess we 'll just have to uh , listen  although I guess it 's only ten minutes each , right ? Roughly.

Well , I guess. I 'm not sure how long it 's actually going to take.


Alright. So we 'll buy a disk. But anyway , so , um , If you  if you can think of a way  to uh , point us to th to interesting things , sort of as you 're doing this or  or something uh , make your  make notes or something that  that this is , you know , something worth looking at. And other than that , yeah I guess we 'll just have to uh , listen  although I guess it 's only ten minutes each , right ? Roughly.

Well , I guess. I 'm not sure how long it 's actually going to take.

The reading task is a lot shorter. That was cut by fifty percent. And the reading , nobody 's interested in that except for the speech people.


Alright. So we 'll buy a disk. But anyway , so , um , If you  if you can think of a way  to uh , point us to th to interesting things , sort of as you 're doing this or  or something uh , make your  make notes or something that  that this is , you know , something worth looking at. And other than that , yeah I guess we 'll just have to uh , listen  although I guess it 's only ten minutes each , right ? Roughly.

Well , I guess. I 'm not sure how long it 's actually going to take.

The reading task is a lot shorter. That was cut by fifty percent. And the reading , nobody 's interested in that except for the speech people.

Right. No , we don't care about that at all.


Well , I guess. I 'm not sure how long it 's actually going to take.

The reading task is a lot shorter. That was cut by fifty percent. And the reading , nobody 's interested in that except for the speech people.

Right. No , we don't care about that at all.

So. It 's actually like five minutes dialogue.


The reading task is a lot shorter. That was cut by fifty percent. And the reading , nobody 's interested in that except for the speech people.

Right. No , we don't care about that at all.

So. It 's actually like five minutes dialogue.


Right. No , we don't care about that at all.

So. It 's actually like five minutes dialogue.


So. It 's actually like five minutes dialogue.

People  I understand , but people  people  you know uh


People  I understand , but people  people  you know uh


It feels like forever when you 're doing it ,


It feels like forever when you 're doing it ,

but then it turns out to be three minutes and forty five seconds.


but then it turns out to be three minutes and forty five seconds.


but then it turns out to be three minutes and forty five seconds.

Could be. OK. I was thinking people would , you know , hesitate and  Whatever. Whatever it is we 'll  we 'll deal with it.


Could be. OK. I was thinking people would , you know , hesitate and  Whatever. Whatever it is we 'll  we 'll deal with it.


Could be. OK. I was thinking people would , you know , hesitate and  Whatever. Whatever it is we 'll  we 'll deal with it.

OK , so that 'll be  that 'll be  um  on  on the web page.


OK , so that 'll be  that 'll be  um  on  on the web page.

That 's great. Um But anyway  yeah , so I think  it 's a good idea to start with the sort of relatively straight forward res just response system. And then if we want to uh  get them to start doing  uh  multiple step planning with a whole bunch of things and then organize them an um tell them which things are near each other and  you know , any of that stuff. uh  You know , " Which things would you like to do Tuesday morning ? "


That 's great. Um But anyway  yeah , so I think  it 's a good idea to start with the sort of relatively straight forward res just response system. And then if we want to uh  get them to start doing  uh  multiple step planning with a whole bunch of things and then organize them an um tell them which things are near each other and  you know , any of that stuff. uh  You know , " Which things would you like to do Tuesday morning ? "

So yeah I  th that seems  pretty straight forward.


So yeah I  th that seems  pretty straight forward.


That w maybe one thing we should do is go through this list and sort of select things that are categories and then o offer only one member of that category ?


That w maybe one thing we should do is go through this list and sort of select things that are categories and then o offer only one member of that category ?

That 's what I was suggesting for the first round , yeah.


That 's what I was suggesting for the first round , yeah.

And then , I mean , they could be alternate versions of the same  If you wanted data on different constructions.


And then , I mean , they could be alternate versions of the same  If you wanted data on different constructions.

They could , but i but i uh tha eh they c yeah , but  uh  but


And then , I mean , they could be alternate versions of the same  If you wanted data on different constructions.

They could , but i but i uh tha eh they c yeah , but  uh  but

Like one person gets the version with the zoo as a choice , and the other person gets the


And then , I mean , they could be alternate versions of the same  If you wanted data on different constructions.

They could , but i but i uh tha eh they c yeah , but  uh  but

Like one person gets the version with the zoo as a choice , and the other person gets the

You could , but i but I  I  I think in the short run ,


They could , but i but i uh tha eh they c yeah , but  uh  but

Like one person gets the version with the zoo as a choice , and the other person gets the

You could , but i but I  I  I think in the short run ,

And no , th the per the person don't get it. I mean , this is why we did it , because when we gave them just three tasks for w part - A and three tasks for part - B a


Like one person gets the version with the zoo as a choice , and the other person gets the

You could , but i but I  I  I think in the short run ,

And no , th the per the person don't get it. I mean , this is why we did it , because when we gave them just three tasks for w part - A and three tasks for part - B a


You could , but i but I  I  I think in the short run ,

And no , th the per the person don't get it. I mean , this is why we did it , because when we gave them just three tasks for w part - A and three tasks for part - B a

Well no , they could still choose. They just wouldn't be able to choose both zoo and say , touring the castle.


And no , th the per the person don't get it. I mean , this is why we did it , because when we gave them just three tasks for w part - A and three tasks for part - B a

Well no , they could still choose. They just wouldn't be able to choose both zoo and say , touring the castle.

Exactly. This is limiting the choices , but yeah. Right. OK , sorry. But um I  I think this approach will very well work , but the person was able to look at it and say " OK , This is what I would actually do. "


Well no , they could still choose. They just wouldn't be able to choose both zoo and say , touring the castle.

Exactly. This is limiting the choices , but yeah. Right. OK , sorry. But um I  I think this approach will very well work , but the person was able to look at it and say " OK , This is what I would actually do. "


Exactly. This is limiting the choices , but yeah. Right. OK , sorry. But um I  I think this approach will very well work , but the person was able to look at it and say " OK , This is what I would actually do. "


OK , we gotta  we gotta disallow uh  traveling to zoos and uh castles at the same time , sort of


OK , we gotta  we gotta disallow uh  traveling to zoos and uh castles at the same time , sort of

I mean there  they are significantly different , but.


OK , we gotta  we gotta disallow uh  traveling to zoos and uh castles at the same time , sort of

I mean there  they are significantly different , but.

But no , they 're  I mean they 're sort of  this is where tour becomes  you know tourists maybe a bit different


I mean there  they are significantly different , but.

But no , they 're  I mean they 're sort of  this is where tour becomes  you know tourists maybe a bit different

and , um , these are just places where you  you enter um , much like here.


But no , they 're  I mean they 're sort of  this is where tour becomes  you know tourists maybe a bit different

and , um , these are just places where you  you enter um , much like here.


and , um , these are just places where you  you enter um , much like here.


and , um , these are just places where you  you enter um , much like here.

Yeah , in fact if y if y if you use the right verb for each in common , like at you know , " attend a theater , symphony or opera " is  is a group , and " tour the university , castle or zoo " ,


Yeah , in fact if y if y if you use the right verb for each in common , like at you know , " attend a theater , symphony or opera " is  is a group , and " tour the university , castle or zoo " ,


Yeah , in fact if y if y if you use the right verb for each in common , like at you know , " attend a theater , symphony or opera " is  is a group , and " tour the university , castle or zoo " ,

all of these d do have this kind of " tour " um  aspect about the way you would go to them. And uh , the movie theater is probably also uh  e is a " attend " et cetera.


all of these d do have this kind of " tour " um  aspect about the way you would go to them. And uh , the movie theater is probably also uh  e is a " attend " et cetera.

So it may turn out to be not so many different kinds of things ,


So it may turn out to be not so many different kinds of things ,

and then , what one would expect is that  that the sentence types would  uh their responses would tend to be grouped according to the kind of activity , you would expect.


and then , what one would expect is that  that the sentence types would  uh their responses would tend to be grouped according to the kind of activity , you would expect.

But I mean i it seem that um  there is a difference between going  to see something , and things like " exchange money " or " dine out "


But I mean i it seem that um  there is a difference between going  to see something , and things like " exchange money " or " dine out "


But I mean i it seem that um  there is a difference between going  to see something , and things like " exchange money " or " dine out "

Yeah , this is where  yeah  th the function stuff is definitely different and the getting information or g stuff  yeah. OK. But this is open. So since people gonna still pick something , we we 're not gonna get any significant amount of redundancy. And for reasons , we don't want it , really , in that sense. And um we would be ultimately more interested in getting all the possible ways of people asking , oh , for different things with  or with a computer. And so if you can think of any other sort of high level tasks a tourist may do just always  just m mail them to us and we 'll sneak them into the collection. We 're not gonna do much statistical stuff with it.


Yeah , this is where  yeah  th the function stuff is definitely different and the getting information or g stuff  yeah. OK. But this is open. So since people gonna still pick something , we we 're not gonna get any significant amount of redundancy. And for reasons , we don't want it , really , in that sense. And um we would be ultimately more interested in getting all the possible ways of people asking , oh , for different things with  or with a computer. And so if you can think of any other sort of high level tasks a tourist may do just always  just m mail them to us and we 'll sneak them into the collection. We 're not gonna do much statistical stuff with it.


Yeah , this is where  yeah  th the function stuff is definitely different and the getting information or g stuff  yeah. OK. But this is open. So since people gonna still pick something , we we 're not gonna get any significant amount of redundancy. And for reasons , we don't want it , really , in that sense. And um we would be ultimately more interested in getting all the possible ways of people asking , oh , for different things with  or with a computer. And so if you can think of any other sort of high level tasks a tourist may do just always  just m mail them to us and we 'll sneak them into the collection. We 're not gonna do much statistical stuff with it.

No. But it seems like since we  since we are getting towards uh subject  uh fifty subjects and if we can keep it up um to a  uh  sort of five four - ish per week rate , we may even reach the one hundred before Fey t takes off to Chicago.


Yeah , this is where  yeah  th the function stuff is definitely different and the getting information or g stuff  yeah. OK. But this is open. So since people gonna still pick something , we we 're not gonna get any significant amount of redundancy. And for reasons , we don't want it , really , in that sense. And um we would be ultimately more interested in getting all the possible ways of people asking , oh , for different things with  or with a computer. And so if you can think of any other sort of high level tasks a tourist may do just always  just m mail them to us and we 'll sneak them into the collection. We 're not gonna do much statistical stuff with it.

No. But it seems like since we  since we are getting towards uh subject  uh fifty subjects and if we can keep it up um to a  uh  sort of five four - ish per week rate , we may even reach the one hundred before Fey t takes off to Chicago.

That means that one hundred people have to be interested.


No. But it seems like since we  since we are getting towards uh subject  uh fifty subjects and if we can keep it up um to a  uh  sort of five four - ish per week rate , we may even reach the one hundred before Fey t takes off to Chicago.

That means that one hundred people have to be interested.


That means that one hundred people have to be interested.

Well , um , these are all f people off campus s from campus so far ,


Well , um , these are all f people off campus s from campus so far ,


So we  yeah we don't know how many we can get next door at the  uh shelter for example.


So we  yeah we don't know how many we can get next door at the  uh shelter for example.

Uh for ten bucks , probably quite a few.


Uh for ten bucks , probably quite a few.

Yeah. So , alright , so let 's go  let 's go back then , to the  the chart with all the decisions and stuff , and see how we 're doing.


Yeah. So , alright , so let 's go  let 's go back then , to the  the chart with all the decisions and stuff , and see how we 're doing.

Do  do people think that , you know this is  is gonna  um cover what we need , or should we be thinking about more ?


Yeah. So , alright , so let 's go  let 's go back then , to the  the chart with all the decisions and stuff , and see how we 're doing.

Do  do people think that , you know this is  is gonna  um cover what we need , or should we be thinking about more ?

Okay , in terms of decision nodes ? I mean , Go - there is  is a yes or no.


Do  do people think that , you know this is  is gonna  um cover what we need , or should we be thinking about more ?

Okay , in terms of decision nodes ? I mean , Go - there is  is a yes or no.


Okay , in terms of decision nodes ? I mean , Go - there is  is a yes or no.


I 'm also interested in th in this " property " uh line here , so if you look at  sorry , look at that um , timing was um  I have these three. Do we need a final differentiation there ? Now , later on the same tour , sometimes on the next tour.


I 'm also interested in th in this " property " uh line here , so if you look at  sorry , look at that um , timing was um  I have these three. Do we need a final differentiation there ? Now , later on the same tour , sometimes on the next tour.

What 's this idea of " next tour " ? I mean


I 'm also interested in th in this " property " uh line here , so if you look at  sorry , look at that um , timing was um  I have these three. Do we need a final differentiation there ? Now , later on the same tour , sometimes on the next tour.

What 's this idea of " next tour " ? I mean

It 's sort of next day , so you 're doing something now and you have planned to do these three four things ,


What 's this idea of " next tour " ? I mean

It 's sort of next day , so you 're doing something now and you have planned to do these three four things ,


It 's sort of next day , so you 're doing something now and you have planned to do these three four things ,


you could sort of tag it on to that tour


you could sort of tag it on to that tour

or you can say this is something I would do s I wanna do sometime l in my life , basically.


you could sort of tag it on to that tour

or you can say this is something I would do s I wanna do sometime l in my life , basically.

OK. OK. So  so this tour is sort of just like th the idea of current s round of  of touristness or whatever ,


or you can say this is something I would do s I wanna do sometime l in my life , basically.

OK. OK. So  so this tour is sort of just like th the idea of current s round of  of touristness or whatever ,


OK. OK. So  so this tour is sort of just like th the idea of current s round of  of touristness or whatever ,

Yeah. Yeah , probably between stops back at the hotel.


Yeah. Yeah , probably between stops back at the hotel.


Yeah. Yeah , probably between stops back at the hotel.

I mean if you  if  if you wanted precise about it , uh you know ,


I mean if you  if  if you wanted precise about it , uh you know ,

uh  and I think that 's the way tourists do organize their lives.


uh  and I think that 's the way tourists do organize their lives.

You know , " OK , we 'll go back to the hotel and then we 'll go off


You know , " OK , we 'll go back to the hotel and then we 'll go off


You know , " OK , we 'll go back to the hotel and then we 'll go off

So all tours  b a tour happens only within one day ?


So all tours  b a tour happens only within one day ?


Well , my visit to Prague there were some nights where I never went back to the hotel , so whether that counts as a two - day tour or not we 'll have to  think.


Well , my visit to Prague there were some nights where I never went back to the hotel , so whether that counts as a two - day tour or not we 'll have to  think.

You just spend the whole time at U Fleku or something ,


You just spend the whole time at U Fleku or something ,


I don't know. What is the uh  the  the English co uh um cognate if you want , for " Sankt Nimmerlandstag " ?


I don't know. What is the uh  the  the English co uh um cognate if you want , for " Sankt Nimmerlandstag " ?

Sort of " We 'll do it on  when you say on that d day it means it 'll never happen.


Sort of " We 'll do it on  when you say on that d day it means it 'll never happen.


Do you have an expression ? Probably you sh


Do you have an expression ? Probably you sh

Yeah , when hell  Yep , we 'll do it when hell freezes over.


Yeah , when hell  Yep , we 'll do it when hell freezes over.

So maybe that should be another  property in there.


So maybe that should be another  property in there.


OK. Um , the reason why  why do we go there in the first place IE uh  it 's either uh  for sightseeing , for meeting people , for running errands , or doing business. Entertainment is a good one in there , I think. I agree.


OK. Um , the reason why  why do we go there in the first place IE uh  it 's either uh  for sightseeing , for meeting people , for running errands , or doing business. Entertainment is a good one in there , I think. I agree.

So , business is supposed to uh , be sort of  it  like professional type stuff , right , or something like that ?


So , business is supposed to uh , be sort of  it  like professional type stuff , right , or something like that ?

I mean  this w this is uh an old uh Johno thing. He sort of had it in there. " Who is the  the tour is the person ? " So it might be a tourist ,


I mean  this w this is uh an old uh Johno thing. He sort of had it in there. " Who is the  the tour is the person ? " So it might be a tourist ,


I mean  this w this is uh an old uh Johno thing. He sort of had it in there. " Who is the  the tour is the person ? " So it might be a tourist ,

it might be a business man who 's using the system , who wants to sort of go to some


it might be a business man who 's using the system , who wants to sort of go to some


it might be a business man who 's using the system , who wants to sort of go to some

Yeah. Yeah , I mean like for example my  my father is about to travel to Prague.


Yeah. Yeah , I mean like for example my  my father is about to travel to Prague.


Yeah. Yeah , I mean like for example my  my father is about to travel to Prague.

He 'll be there for two weeks. He is going to uh  He 's there to teach a course at the business school but he also is touring around and so he may have some mixture of these things.


He 'll be there for two weeks. He is going to uh  He 's there to teach a course at the business school but he also is touring around and so he may have some mixture of these things.


What ab What do you have in mind in terms of um  socializing ? What kind of activities ?


What ab What do you have in mind in terms of um  socializing ? What kind of activities ?

Eh , just meeting people , basically. " I want to meet someone somewhere " , which be puts a very heavy constraint on the " EVA "


Eh , just meeting people , basically. " I want to meet someone somewhere " , which be puts a very heavy constraint on the " EVA "

you know , because then if you 're meeting somebody at the town hall , you 're not entering it usually , you 're just  want to approach it.


you know , because then if you 're meeting somebody at the town hall , you 're not entering it usually , you 're just  want to approach it.

So  I mean , does this capture , like , where do you put  " Exchange money " is an errand , right ? But what about uh


So  I mean , does this capture , like , where do you put  " Exchange money " is an errand , right ? But what about uh

So , like " Go to a movie " is now entertainment , " Dine out " is


So , like " Go to a movie " is now entertainment , " Dine out " is


So , like " Go to a movie " is now entertainment , " Dine out " is

No , I I well , I dunno. Let  Let  well , we 'll put it somewhere ,


No , I I well , I dunno. Let  Let  well , we 'll put it somewhere ,

but  but  um  I would say that if " Dine out " is a special c uh  if you 're doing it for that purpose then it 's entertainment.


but  but  um  I would say that if " Dine out " is a special c uh  if you 're doing it for that purpose then it 's entertainment.

And  we 'll also as y as you 'll s further along we 'll get into business about " Well , you 're  you know  this is going over a meal time , do you wanna stop for a meal or pick up food or something ? "


And  we 'll also as y as you 'll s further along we 'll get into business about " Well , you 're  you know  this is going over a meal time , do you wanna stop for a meal or pick up food or something ? "

And that 's different. That 's  that 's sort of part of th that 's not a destination reason , that 's sort of " en passant , " right.


And that 's different. That 's  that 's sort of part of th that 's not a destination reason , that 's sort of " en passant , " right.

That goes with the " energy depletion " function , blech.


That goes with the " energy depletion " function , blech.


" Endpoint " is pretty clear. Um , " mode " , uh , I have found three , " drive there " , " walk there " uh  or " be driven " , which means bus , taxi , BART.


" Endpoint " is pretty clear. Um , " mode " , uh , I have found three , " drive there " , " walk there " uh  or " be driven " , which means bus , taxi , BART.

Obviously taxis are very different than buses , but on the other hand the system doesn't have any public transport  This  the planner system doesn't have any public transport in it yet.


Obviously taxis are very different than buses , but on the other hand the system doesn't have any public transport  This  the planner system doesn't have any public transport in it yet.

So this granularity would suffice , I think w if we say the person probably , based on the utterance we on the situation we can conclude wants to drive there , walk there , or use some other form of transportation.


Obviously taxis are very different than buses , but on the other hand the system doesn't have any public transport  This  the planner system doesn't have any public transport in it yet.

So this granularity would suffice , I think w if we say the person probably , based on the utterance we on the situation we can conclude wants to drive there , walk there , or use some other form of transportation.

H How much of Heidelberg can you get around by public transport ? I mean in terms of the interesting bits. There 's lots of bits where you don't really I 've only ev was there ten years ago , for a day , so I don't remember , but. I mean , like the  sort of the tourist - y bits


So this granularity would suffice , I think w if we say the person probably , based on the utterance we on the situation we can conclude wants to drive there , walk there , or use some other form of transportation.

H How much of Heidelberg can you get around by public transport ? I mean in terms of the interesting bits. There 's lots of bits where you don't really I 've only ev was there ten years ago , for a day , so I don't remember , but. I mean , like the  sort of the tourist - y bits


H How much of Heidelberg can you get around by public transport ? I mean in terms of the interesting bits. There 's lots of bits where you don't really I 've only ev was there ten years ago , for a day , so I don't remember , but. I mean , like the  sort of the tourist - y bits


you can't get to the Philosophers ' Way very well ,


you can't get to the Philosophers ' Way very well ,

but , I mean there are hikes that you can't get to , but


but , I mean there are hikes that you can't get to , but


but , I mean there are hikes that you can't get to , but

but I think other things you can , if I remember right.


but I think other things you can , if I remember right.

So is like " biking there "  part of like " driving there " ,


but I think other things you can , if I remember right.

So is like " biking there "  part of like " driving there " ,

Yeah , um we actually  biking should be  should be a separate point because we have a very strong bicycle planning component.


So is like " biking there "  part of like " driving there " ,

Yeah , um we actually  biking should be  should be a separate point because we have a very strong bicycle planning component.


Yeah , um we actually  biking should be  should be a separate point because we have a very strong bicycle planning component.


Bicycles c should be in there , but , will we have bic I mean is this realistic ? I mean


I would  I would lump it with " walk " because hills matter.


OK , " Length " is um , you wanna get this over with as fast as possible ,


OK , " Length " is um , you wanna get this over with as fast as possible ,

you wanna use some part of what  of the time you have. Um , they can. But we should just make a decision whether we feel that they want to use some substantial or some fraction of their time.


you wanna use some part of what  of the time you have. Um , they can. But we should just make a decision whether we feel that they want to use some substantial or some fraction of their time.


you wanna use some part of what  of the time you have. Um , they can. But we should just make a decision whether we feel that they want to use some substantial or some fraction of their time.

You know , they wanna do it so badly that they are willing to spend uh  you know the necessary and plus time. And um  And y you know , if we feel that they wanna do nothing but that thing then , you know , we should point out that  to the planner , that they probably want to use all the time they have. So , stretch out that visit for that.


You know , they wanna do it so badly that they are willing to spend uh  you know the necessary and plus time. And um  And y you know , if we feel that they wanna do nothing but that thing then , you know , we should point out that  to the planner , that they probably want to use all the time they have. So , stretch out that visit for that.


You know , they wanna do it so badly that they are willing to spend uh  you know the necessary and plus time. And um  And y you know , if we feel that they wanna do nothing but that thing then , you know , we should point out that  to the planner , that they probably want to use all the time they have. So , stretch out that visit for that.

Wow  It seems like this would be really hard to guess. I mean , on the part of the system. It seems like it  I mean you 're  you 're talking about rather than having the user decide this you 're supposed t we 're supposed to figure it out ?


Wow  It seems like this would be really hard to guess. I mean , on the part of the system. It seems like it  I mean you 're  you 're talking about rather than having the user decide this you 're supposed t we 're supposed to figure it out ?

Th - the user can always s say it , but it 's just sort of we  we hand over these parameters if we make  if we have a feeling that they are important.


Th - the user can always s say it , but it 's just sort of we  we hand over these parameters if we make  if we have a feeling that they are important.


And that we can actually infer them to a significant de degree , or we ask.


And that we can actually infer them to a significant de degree , or we ask.

And par yeah , and part of the system design is that if it looks to be important and you can't figure it out , then you ask.


And par yeah , and part of the system design is that if it looks to be important and you can't figure it out , then you ask.