do your your satellite and your regular telly and your V_C_R_ and everything ?

Yeah , yeah. Yeah. Well like um , maybe what we could use is a sort of like a example of a successful other piece technology is palm palm pilots. They're gone from being just like little sort of scribble boards to cameras , M_P_ three players , telephones ,


do your your satellite and your regular telly and your V_C_R_ and everything ?

Yeah , yeah. Yeah. Well like um , maybe what we could use is a sort of like a example of a successful other piece technology is palm palm pilots. They're gone from being just like little sort of scribble boards to cameras , M_P_ three players , telephones ,

everything , agenda. So , like , I wonder if we might add something new to the to the remote control market ,


Yeah , yeah. Yeah. Well like um , maybe what we could use is a sort of like a example of a successful other piece technology is palm palm pilots. They're gone from being just like little sort of scribble boards to cameras , M_P_ three players , telephones ,

everything , agenda. So , like , I wonder if we might add something new to the to the remote control market ,


everything , agenda. So , like , I wonder if we might add something new to the to the remote control market ,

such as the lighting in your house , or um


everything , agenda. So , like , I wonder if we might add something new to the to the remote control market ,

such as the lighting in your house , or um

Or even like , you know , notes about um what you wanna watch. Like you might put in there oh I want to watch such and such and look a


such as the lighting in your house , or um

Or even like , you know , notes about um what you wanna watch. Like you might put in there oh I want to watch such and such and look a


such as the lighting in your house , or um

Or even like , you know , notes about um what you wanna watch. Like you might put in there oh I want to watch such and such and look a

Oh that's a good idea. So extra functionalities.


Or even like , you know , notes about um what you wanna watch. Like you might put in there oh I want to watch such and such and look a

Oh that's a good idea. So extra functionalities.

An Yeah. Like , p personally for me , at home I've I've combined the um the audio video of my television set and my D_V_D_ player and my C_D_ player. So they w all work actually function together but I have different remote controls for each of them.


Oh that's a good idea. So extra functionalities.

An Yeah. Like , p personally for me , at home I've I've combined the um the audio video of my television set and my D_V_D_ player and my C_D_ player. So they w all work actually function together but I have different remote controls for each of them.


Oh that's a good idea. So extra functionalities.

An Yeah. Like , p personally for me , at home I've I've combined the um the audio video of my television set and my D_V_D_ player and my C_D_ player. So they w all work actually function together but I have different remote controls for each of them.

So it's sort of ironic that that then they're in there um you know , the sound and everything it's just one system.


An Yeah. Like , p personally for me , at home I've I've combined the um the audio video of my television set and my D_V_D_ player and my C_D_ player. So they w all work actually function together but I have different remote controls for each of them.

So it's sort of ironic that that then they're in there um you know , the sound and everything it's just one system.


So it's sort of ironic that that then they're in there um you know , the sound and everything it's just one system.


So it's sort of ironic that that then they're in there um you know , the sound and everything it's just one system.

Um okay , uh I'd wel we're gonna have to wrap up pretty quickly in the next couple of minutes. Um I'll just check we've nothing else. Okay. Um so anything else anybody wants to add about what they don't like about remote controls they've used , what they would really like to be part of this new one at all ?


Um okay , uh I'd wel we're gonna have to wrap up pretty quickly in the next couple of minutes. Um I'll just check we've nothing else. Okay. Um so anything else anybody wants to add about what they don't like about remote controls they've used , what they would really like to be part of this new one at all ?


Finding them is really a pain , you know.


Finding them is really a pain , you know.

I mean it's usually quite small , or when you want it right , it slipped behind the couch


I mean it's usually quite small , or when you want it right , it slipped behind the couch


W You get those ones where you can , if you like , whistle or make a really high pitched noise they beep.


There  I mean is that something we'd want to include , do you think ?


I remember when the first remote control my my family had was on a cable. Actually had a cable between it and the T_V_


I remember when the first remote control my my family had was on a cable. Actually had a cable between it and the T_V_

and big like buttons that sort of like , like on a blender or something.


I remember when the first remote control my my family had was on a cable. Actually had a cable between it and the T_V_

and big like buttons that sort of like , like on a blender or something.

And um , you know , when I think about what they are now , it's better , but actually it's still kind of , I dunno , like a massive junky thing on the table.


and big like buttons that sort of like , like on a blender or something.

And um , you know , when I think about what they are now , it's better , but actually it's still kind of , I dunno , like a massive junky thing on the table.


And um , you know , when I think about what they are now , it's better , but actually it's still kind of , I dunno , like a massive junky thing on the table.

Maybe we could think about how , could be more , you know , streamlined. S


And um , you know , when I think about what they are now , it's better , but actually it's still kind of , I dunno , like a massive junky thing on the table.

Maybe we could think about how , could be more , you know , streamlined. S

Maybe like a touch screen or something ?


Maybe we could think about how , could be more , you know , streamlined. S

Maybe like a touch screen or something ?


Maybe like a touch screen or something ?

Or whatever would be technologically reasonable.


Or whatever would be technologically reasonable.

Uh-huh , okay. Well I guess that's up to our industrial designer.


Or whatever would be technologically reasonable.

Uh-huh , okay. Well I guess that's up to our industrial designer.

'Cause it could b it could it could be that f it could be that functionally that doesn't make it any better , but that just the appeal of of not having


Uh-huh , okay. Well I guess that's up to our industrial designer.

'Cause it could b it could it could be that f it could be that functionally that doesn't make it any better , but that just the appeal of of not having

You know , these days there's a r pe things in people's homes are becoming more and more like chic , you know.


'Cause it could b it could it could be that f it could be that functionally that doesn't make it any better , but that just the appeal of of not having

You know , these days there's a r pe things in people's homes are becoming more and more like chic , you know.


You know , these days there's a r pe things in people's homes are becoming more and more like chic , you know.


Right , well um so just to wrap up the next meeting's gonna be in thirty minutes. So that's about um about ten to twelve by my watch. Um so inbetween now and then , um as the industrial designer , you're gonna be working on you know the actual working design of it


Right , well um so just to wrap up the next meeting's gonna be in thirty minutes. So that's about um about ten to twelve by my watch. Um so inbetween now and then , um as the industrial designer , you're gonna be working on you know the actual working design of it

so y you know what you're doing there. Um for user interface , technical functions , I guess that's you know like what we've been talking about , what it'll actually do. Um and uh marketing executive , you'll be just thinking about what it actually  what , you know , what requirements it has to has to fulfil and you'll all get instructions emailed to you , I guess.


so y you know what you're doing there. Um for user interface , technical functions , I guess that's you know like what we've been talking about , what it'll actually do. Um and uh marketing executive , you'll be just thinking about what it actually  what , you know , what requirements it has to has to fulfil and you'll all get instructions emailed to you , I guess.


so y you know what you're doing there. Um for user interface , technical functions , I guess that's you know like what we've been talking about , what it'll actually do. Um and uh marketing executive , you'll be just thinking about what it actually  what , you know , what requirements it has to has to fulfil and you'll all get instructions emailed to you , I guess.

Yeah , so it's th the functional design stage is next , I guess.  And uh and that's the end of the meeting. So I got that little message a lot sooner than I thought I would , so


Yeah , so it's th the functional design stage is next , I guess.  And uh and that's the end of the meeting. So I got that little message a lot sooner than I thought I would , so

Um.   Before we wrap up , just to make sure we're all on the same page here ,


Yeah , so it's th the functional design stage is next , I guess.  And uh and that's the end of the meeting. So I got that little message a lot sooner than I thought I would , so

Um.   Before we wrap up , just to make sure we're all on the same page here ,

um , do we  We were given sort of an example of a coffee machine or something ,


Um.   Before we wrap up , just to make sure we're all on the same page here ,

um , do we  We were given sort of an example of a coffee machine or something ,


um , do we  We were given sort of an example of a coffee machine or something ,


um , do we  We were given sort of an example of a coffee machine or something ,

right ? Well , um are we at ma right now on the assumption that our television remote control may have features which go beyond the television ? Or are we keeping sort of like a a design commitment to television features ?


right ? Well , um are we at ma right now on the assumption that our television remote control may have features which go beyond the television ? Or are we keeping sort of like a a design commitment to television features ?


right ? Well , um are we at ma right now on the assumption that our television remote control may have features which go beyond the television ? Or are we keeping sort of like a a design commitment to television features ?

'cause this  we're supposed to finish now. Um I guess that's up to us ,


'cause this  we're supposed to finish now. Um I guess that's up to us ,


'cause this  we're supposed to finish now. Um I guess that's up to us ,

I mean you probably want some kind of unique selling point of it , so um , you know


I mean you probably want some kind of unique selling point of it , so um , you know

I think one factor would be production cost.


I think one factor would be production cost.


so um depends on how much you can cram into that price. Um.


Right , okay , we'll that's that's the end of the meeting , then. Um


Yeah , I think I got my mike on. OK. Let 's see.

OK. Ami , do yours then we 'll open it and I think it 'll be enough.

Mmm  Doesn't , uh  It should be the other way. Yeah , now it 's on.


OK. Ami , do yours then we 'll open it and I think it 'll be enough.

Mmm  Doesn't , uh  It should be the other way. Yeah , now it 's on.


Mmm  Doesn't , uh  It should be the other way. Yeah , now it 's on.


Alright. Anyway. So , uh , before we get started with the , uh , technical part , I just want to review what I think is happening with the  our data collection.


Alright. Anyway. So , uh , before we get started with the , uh , technical part , I just want to review what I think is happening with the  our data collection.

So   Uh , probably after today ,  that shouldn't come up in this meeting. Th - this  this is s should be im it isn't  There 's another thing going on of gathering data , and that 's pretty much independent of this. But , uh , I just want to make sure we 're all together on this. What we think is gonna happen is that , uh , in parallel starting about now  we 're gonna get Fey  to , where you 're working with me and Robert , draft a note that we 're gonna send out to various CogSci c and other classes saying , " here 's an opportunity to be a subject. Contact Fey. " And then there 'll be a certain number of um , hours during the week which she will be available and we 'll bring in people. Uh , roughly how many , Robert ? We d Do we know ?


So   Uh , probably after today ,  that shouldn't come up in this meeting. Th - this  this is s should be im it isn't  There 's another thing going on of gathering data , and that 's pretty much independent of this. But , uh , I just want to make sure we 're all together on this. What we think is gonna happen is that , uh , in parallel starting about now  we 're gonna get Fey  to , where you 're working with me and Robert , draft a note that we 're gonna send out to various CogSci c and other classes saying , " here 's an opportunity to be a subject. Contact Fey. " And then there 'll be a certain number of um , hours during the week which she will be available and we 'll bring in people. Uh , roughly how many , Robert ? We d Do we know ?

OK. So , we 're looking for a total of fifty people , not necessarily by any means all students but we 'll s we 'll start with  with that. In parallel with that , we 're gonna need to actually do the script. And , so , I guess there 's a plan to have a meeting Friday afternoon Uh , with  uh , Jane , and maybe Liz and whoever , on actually getting the script worked out. But what I 'd like to do , if it 's O K ,  is to s to , as I say , start the recruiting in parallel and possibly start running subjects next week. The week after that 's Spring Break , and maybe we 'll look for them  some subjects next door


OK. So , we 're looking for a total of fifty people , not necessarily by any means all students but we 'll s we 'll start with  with that. In parallel with that , we 're gonna need to actually do the script. And , so , I guess there 's a plan to have a meeting Friday afternoon Uh , with  uh , Jane , and maybe Liz and whoever , on actually getting the script worked out. But what I 'd like to do , if it 's O K ,  is to s to , as I say , start the recruiting in parallel and possibly start running subjects next week. The week after that 's Spring Break , and maybe we 'll look for them  some subjects next door


OK. So , we 're looking for a total of fifty people , not necessarily by any means all students but we 'll s we 'll start with  with that. In parallel with that , we 're gonna need to actually do the script. And , so , I guess there 's a plan to have a meeting Friday afternoon Uh , with  uh , Jane , and maybe Liz and whoever , on actually getting the script worked out. But what I 'd like to do , if it 's O K ,  is to s to , as I say , start the recruiting in parallel and possibly start running subjects next week. The week after that 's Spring Break , and maybe we 'll look for them  some subjects next door

Yeah. Also , Fey will not be here during spring break.


Yeah. Also , Fey will not be here during spring break.


Yeah. Also , Fey will not be here during spring break.

OK. So that 's easy. Um. So , is  Is that make sense to everybody ?


OK. So that 's easy. Um. So , is  Is that make sense to everybody ?

Yeah. Also , um , F  both Fey and I will , um ,  do something of which I may , eh  kindly ask you to  to do the same thing , which is we gonna check out our social infrastructures for possible subjects. Meaning ,  um , kid children 's gymnastic classes , pre - school parents and so forth. They also sometimes have flexible schedules. So , if you happen to be sort of in a non - student social setting , and you know people who may be interested in being subjects  We also considered using the Berkeley High School and their teachers , maybe , and get them interested in stuff.


OK. So that 's easy. Um. So , is  Is that make sense to everybody ?

Yeah. Also , um , F  both Fey and I will , um ,  do something of which I may , eh  kindly ask you to  to do the same thing , which is we gonna check out our social infrastructures for possible subjects. Meaning ,  um , kid children 's gymnastic classes , pre - school parents and so forth. They also sometimes have flexible schedules. So , if you happen to be sort of in a non - student social setting , and you know people who may be interested in being subjects  We also considered using the Berkeley High School and their teachers , maybe , and get them interested in stuff.

And , um. So that 's as far as our brainstorming was concerned.


Yeah. Also , um , F  both Fey and I will , um ,  do something of which I may , eh  kindly ask you to  to do the same thing , which is we gonna check out our social infrastructures for possible subjects. Meaning ,  um , kid children 's gymnastic classes , pre - school parents and so forth. They also sometimes have flexible schedules. So , if you happen to be sort of in a non - student social setting , and you know people who may be interested in being subjects  We also considered using the Berkeley High School and their teachers , maybe , and get them interested in stuff.

And , um. So that 's as far as our brainstorming was concerned.

Oh , yeah. The high school 's a great idea.


And , um. So that 's as far as our brainstorming was concerned.

Oh , yeah. The high school 's a great idea.

So. But I  I will just make a first draft of the , uh , note , the " write - up " note , send it to you and Fey and then


And , um. So that 's as far as our brainstorming was concerned.

Oh , yeah. The high school 's a great idea.

So. But I  I will just make a first draft of the , uh , note , the " write - up " note , send it to you and Fey and then

And why don't you also copy Jane on it ?


Oh , yeah. The high school 's a great idea.

So. But I  I will just make a first draft of the , uh , note , the " write - up " note , send it to you and Fey and then

And why don't you also copy Jane on it ?

And , um , Are we  Have we concurred that , uh , these  these forms are sufficient for us , and necessary ?


So. But I  I will just make a first draft of the , uh , note , the " write - up " note , send it to you and Fey and then

And why don't you also copy Jane on it ?

And , um , Are we  Have we concurred that , uh , these  these forms are sufficient for us , and necessary ?

Uh , th I think they 're necessary. This  The permission form.


And why don't you also copy Jane on it ?

And , um , Are we  Have we concurred that , uh , these  these forms are sufficient for us , and necessary ?

Uh , th I think they 're necessary. This  The permission form.


And , um , Are we  Have we concurred that , uh , these  these forms are sufficient for us , and necessary ?

Uh , th I think they 're necessary. This  The permission form.


Uh , th I think they 're necessary. This  The permission form.


and I think we 're just gonna use it as it is , and  Um


and I think we 're just gonna use it as it is , and  Um

Well , yeah. There 's one tricky part about , um , they have the right um I The last paragraph  " if you agree to participate you have the opportunity to have anything excised which you would prefer not to have included in the data set. " OK ? Now that , we had to be included for this other one which might have , uh , meetings , you know , about something.


Well , yeah. There 's one tricky part about , um , they have the right um I The last paragraph  " if you agree to participate you have the opportunity to have anything excised which you would prefer not to have included in the data set. " OK ? Now that , we had to be included for this other one which might have , uh , meetings , you know , about something.

In this case , it doesn't really make sense. Um , so what I 'd like to do is also have our subjects sign a waiver saying " I don't want to see the final transcript ".


In this case , it doesn't really make sense. Um , so what I 'd like to do is also have our subjects sign a waiver saying " I don't want to see the final transcript ".

And if they don't  If they say " no , I 'm not willing to sign that " , then we 'll show them the final transcript. But , um.


And if they don't  If they say " no , I 'm not willing to sign that " , then we 'll show them the final transcript. But , um.

That , uh  yeah , so we might actually , um S i Jane may say that , " you know , you can't do this " , uh , " on the same form , we need a separate form. " But anyway. I 'd  I 'd  I 'd like to , e e um , add an a little thi eh  a thing for them to initial , saying " nah , do I don't want to see the final transcript. "


That , uh  yeah , so we might actually , um S i Jane may say that , " you know , you can't do this " , uh , " on the same form , we need a separate form. " But anyway. I 'd  I 'd  I 'd like to , e e um , add an a little thi eh  a thing for them to initial , saying " nah , do I don't want to see the final transcript. "

But other than that , that 's one 's been approved , this really is the same project , uh , rec you know. And so forth. So I think we just go with it.


That , uh  yeah , so we might actually , um S i Jane may say that , " you know , you can't do this " , uh , " on the same form , we need a separate form. " But anyway. I 'd  I 'd  I 'd like to , e e um , add an a little thi eh  a thing for them to initial , saying " nah , do I don't want to see the final transcript. "

But other than that , that 's one 's been approved , this really is the same project , uh , rec you know. And so forth. So I think we just go with it.

Yeah. Yeah. OK. So much for the data , except that with Munich everything is fine now. They 're gonna  transcribe. They 're also gonna translate the , uh , German data from the TV and cinema stuff for Andreas. So. They 're  they all seem to be happy now ,  with that. So. w c sh should we move on to the technical sides ?


But other than that , that 's one 's been approved , this really is the same project , uh , rec you know. And so forth. So I think we just go with it.

Yeah. Yeah. OK. So much for the data , except that with Munich everything is fine now. They 're gonna  transcribe. They 're also gonna translate the , uh , German data from the TV and cinema stuff for Andreas. So. They 're  they all seem to be happy now ,  with that. So. w c sh should we move on to the technical sides ?


But other than that , that 's one 's been approved , this really is the same project , uh , rec you know. And so forth. So I think we just go with it.

Yeah. Yeah. OK. So much for the data , except that with Munich everything is fine now. They 're gonna  transcribe. They 're also gonna translate the , uh , German data from the TV and cinema stuff for Andreas. So. They 're  they all seem to be happy now ,  with that. So. w c sh should we move on to the technical sides ?

Well I guess the good  good news of last week was the parser. So , um Bhaskara and I started working on the   the parser. Then Bhaskara went to class and once he came back , um ,  it was finished. So. It , uh  I didn't measure it , but it was about an hour and ten minutes.


Yeah. Yeah. OK. So much for the data , except that with Munich everything is fine now. They 're gonna  transcribe. They 're also gonna translate the , uh , German data from the TV and cinema stuff for Andreas. So. They 're  they all seem to be happy now ,  with that. So. w c sh should we move on to the technical sides ?

Well I guess the good  good news of last week was the parser. So , um Bhaskara and I started working on the   the parser. Then Bhaskara went to class and once he came back , um ,  it was finished. So. It , uh  I didn't measure it , but it was about an hour and ten minutes.


Well I guess the good  good news of last week was the parser. So , um Bhaskara and I started working on the   the parser. Then Bhaskara went to class and once he came back , um ,  it was finished. So. It , uh  I didn't measure it , but it was about an hour and ten minutes.

And , um  and now it 's  We have a complete English parser that does everything the German parser does.


And , um  and now it 's  We have a complete English parser that does everything the German parser does.


What did you end up having to do ? I mean , wha Was there anything  interesting about it at all ?


Well , w w We d The first we did is we  we tried to  to do  change the  the " laufen " into " run " ,  or " running " ,  or " runs ".


Well , w w We d The first we did is we  we tried to  to do  change the  the " laufen " into " run " ,  or " running " ,  or " runs ".

And we noticed that whatever we tried to do , it no effect.


And we noticed that whatever we tried to do , it no effect.


And , uh , the reason was that the parser i c completely ignores the verb.


And , uh , the reason was that the parser i c completely ignores the verb.

So this sentence  sentence is  parses the p the same output ,


So this sentence  sentence is  parses the p the same output ,

um , even if you leave out , um , all  all of this.


um , even if you leave out , um , all  all of this.


If  if you 'd add  add Today and Evening , it 'll add Time or not.


But all the rest is p simply frosting on the cake , and it 's optional for that parser.


But all the rest is p simply frosting on the cake , and it 's optional for that parser.

So , you can sho You  you  Are  are you gonna show us the little templates ?


So , you can sho You  you  Are  are you gonna show us the little templates ?

Yeah. We ar we can sh er  I can show you the templates. I  I also have it running here ,


So , you can sho You  you  Are  are you gonna show us the little templates ?

Yeah. We ar we can sh er  I can show you the templates. I  I also have it running here ,

The former end g " Oh , I see. Uh - huh.


Yeah. We ar we can sh er  I can show you the templates. I  I also have it running here ,

The former end g " Oh , I see. Uh - huh.

so if I  do this now , um ,  you can see that it parsed the wonderful English sentence , " Which films are on the cinema today  evening ? " But , um.


The former end g " Oh , I see. Uh - huh.

so if I  do this now , um ,  you can see that it parsed the wonderful English sentence , " Which films are on the cinema today  evening ? " But , um.


so if I  do this now , um ,  you can see that it parsed the wonderful English sentence , " Which films are on the cinema today  evening ? " But , um.


It could be " this evening , which  which films are on the cinema " , or " running in the cinema , which  " uh , " today evening " , uh i " Is anything happening in the cinema this evening ? "


It could be " this evening , which  which films are on the cinema " , or " running in the cinema , which  " uh , " today evening " , uh i " Is anything happening in the cinema this evening ? "

Ge - elaborate , or , more or less ,  uh


Ge - elaborate , or , more or less ,  uh

Actually , it 's a little tricky , in that there 's some allowable German orders which aren't allowable English orders and so forth. And it is order - based. So it  it  Isn't it ?


Actually , it 's a little tricky , in that there 's some allowable German orders which aren't allowable English orders and so forth. And it is order - based. So it  it  Isn't it ?

Oh. So it  it doe I it  These  u these optional elements ,


Oh. So it  it doe I it  These  u these optional elements ,


Oh. So it  it doe I it  These  u these optional elements ,

it 's  it 's actually a set , not a sequence ?


it 's  it 's actually a set , not a sequence ?


it 's  it 's actually a set , not a sequence ?

So it really is key word matching , basically.


So it really is key word matching , basically.


Um , I mean , these sentences are just silly.


Um , I mean , these sentences are just silly.

I mean , uh , d these were not the ones we  we actually did it. Um. What 's an idiomatic of phrasing this ? Which films are  showing ?


I mean , uh , d these were not the ones we  we actually did it. Um. What 's an idiomatic of phrasing this ? Which films are  showing ?


I changed that file , actually , where it 's on my account.


I changed that file , actually , where it 's on my account.

Actually , you would say , " which films are on tonight ? "


I changed that file , actually , where it 's on my account.

Actually , you would say , " which films are on tonight ? "

You want to get it ? Or  is  di was it easy to get it ?


Actually , you would say , " which films are on tonight ? "

You want to get it ? Or  is  di was it easy to get it ?


You want to get it ? Or  is  di was it easy to get it ?


OK. So. Wonderful parse , same thing. Um.


OK. So. Wonderful parse , same thing. Um.

Except that we d w we don't have this , uh , time information here now , which is , um  Oh. This  are the reserve. Anyways.  So. Um. These are the  sort of the ten different sentence types that the uh   the parser was able to do. And it still is , now in English.


Except that we d w we don't have this , uh , time information here now , which is , um  Oh. This  are the reserve. Anyways.  So. Um. These are the  sort of the ten different sentence types that the uh   the parser was able to do. And it still is , now in English.


Except that we d w we don't have this , uh , time information here now , which is , um  Oh. This  are the reserve. Anyways.  So. Um. These are the  sort of the ten different sentence types that the uh   the parser was able to do. And it still is , now in English.

And , um  Sorry. And , um you have already to make it a little bit more elaborate , right ?


And , um  Sorry. And , um you have already to make it a little bit more elaborate , right ?

Yeah , I mean I changed those sentences to make it , uh , more , uh , idiomatic. And , of course , you can have i many variations in those sentences , they will still parse fine. So , in a sense it 's pretty broad.


And , um  Sorry. And , um you have already to make it a little bit more elaborate , right ?

Yeah , I mean I changed those sentences to make it , uh , more , uh , idiomatic. And , of course , you can have i many variations in those sentences , they will still parse fine. So , in a sense it 's pretty broad.

OK. So , if you want to look at the templates ,   they 're conveniently located in a file , " template ". Um , and this is what I had to do. I had to change , @ @  " Spielfilm " to " film " , uh , " Film " to " movie " , cinem " Kino " to " cinema "  to " today "  heu " heute " to " today " ,


Yeah , I mean I changed those sentences to make it , uh , more , uh , idiomatic. And , of course , you can have i many variations in those sentences , they will still parse fine. So , in a sense it 's pretty broad.

OK. So , if you want to look at the templates ,   they 're conveniently located in a file , " template ". Um , and this is what I had to do. I had to change , @ @  " Spielfilm " to " film " , uh , " Film " to " movie " , cinem " Kino " to " cinema "  to " today "  heu " heute " to " today " ,


OK. So , if you want to look at the templates ,   they 're conveniently located in a file , " template ". Um , and this is what I had to do. I had to change , @ @  " Spielfilm " to " film " , uh , " Film " to " movie " , cinem " Kino " to " cinema "  to " today "  heu " heute " to " today " ,


One thing I was wondering , was , those functions there , are those things that modify the M - three - L basically ?


And so this means , um , " this " and " see " are not optional. " Want I like " is all maybe in there , but may also not be in there.


And so this means , um , " this " and " see " are not optional. " Want I like " is all maybe in there , but may also not be in there.

So  so , the point is , if it says " this " and " see " , it also will work in " see " and " this " ?


So  so , the point is , if it says " this " and " see " , it also will work in " see " and " this " ?


" This is the one I want to see " or whatever.


" This is the one I want to see " or whatever.

whatever. Nothing was specialfi specified. except that it has some references to audio - visual media here.


whatever. Nothing was specialfi specified. except that it has some references to audio - visual media here.


It 's correct , but I don't know where it gets it from.


And " see this "  is exactly the same thing.


And " see this "  is exactly the same thing.

One thing I was wondering was ,  those percentage signs , right ? So , I mean , why do we even have them ?


One thing I was wondering was ,  those percentage signs , right ? So , I mean , why do we even have them ?


One thing I was wondering was ,  those percentage signs , right ? So , I mean , why do we even have them ?

Uh , I 'll tell you why. Because it gives a  you a score.


Uh , I 'll tell you why. Because it gives a  you a score.


Uh , I 'll tell you why. Because it gives a  you a score.

And the value of the score is , v I assume , I guess , the more of these optional things that are actually in there , the higher the r score  it is.


Uh , I 'll tell you why. Because it gives a  you a score.

And the value of the score is , v I assume , I guess , the more of these optional things that are actually in there , the higher the r score  it is.

Oh. OK. So that 's the main purpose. Alright.


And the value of the score is , v I assume , I guess , the more of these optional things that are actually in there , the higher the r score  it is.

Oh. OK. So that 's the main purpose. Alright.


Oh. OK. So that 's the main purpose. Alright.


So we  we shouldn't belittle it too much. It 's doing something , some things , and it 's very flexible. I 've just tried to


OK.  Um , let 's hope that the generation will not be more difficult , even though the generator is a little bit more complex. Uh but we 'll  Mmm , that means we may need two hours and twenty minutes rather than an hour ten minutes ,


And the next thing I would like to be able to do , and it seems like this would not be too difficult either , is  to say , " OK let 's now pretend we actually wanted to not only change the   the mapping of  of , uh , words to the M - three - L but we also wanted to change  add a new sentence type and and make up some  some new M - three - L  s "


And the next thing I would like to be able to do , and it seems like this would not be too difficult either , is  to say , " OK let 's now pretend we actually wanted to not only change the   the mapping of  of , uh , words to the M - three - L but we also wanted to change  add a new sentence type and and make up some  some new M - three - L  s "

Yep. So That 'd be great. It would be a good exercise to just see  whether one can get that to run.


Yep. So That 'd be great. It would be a good exercise to just see  whether one can get that to run.


Fine , yeah. Yeah , so where are those  those functions " Action " , " Goodbye " , and so on , right ? Are they actually , um ,  Are they going to be called ? Um , are they present in the code for the parser ?


Fine , yeah. Yeah , so where are those  those functions " Action " , " Goodbye " , and so on , right ? Are they actually , um ,  Are they going to be called ? Um , are they present in the code for the parser ?

Yeah. I think what it does , it i i it does something sort of fancy. It loads um  It has these style sheets and also the , um , schemata. So what it probably does , is it takes the , uh ,  um  Is this where it is ? This is already the XML stuff ? This is where it takes its own , um , syntax , and converts it somehow. Um. Where is the uh


Fine , yeah. Yeah , so where are those  those functions " Action " , " Goodbye " , and so on , right ? Are they actually , um ,  Are they going to be called ? Um , are they present in the code for the parser ?

Yeah. I think what it does , it i i it does something sort of fancy. It loads um  It has these style sheets and also the , um , schemata. So what it probably does , is it takes the , uh ,  um  Is this where it is ? This is already the XML stuff ? This is where it takes its own , um , syntax , and converts it somehow. Um. Where is the uh

Um , where it actually produces the  the XML out of the , uh , parsed  stuff.


Yeah. I think what it does , it i i it does something sort of fancy. It loads um  It has these style sheets and also the , um , schemata. So what it probably does , is it takes the , uh ,  um  Is this where it is ? This is already the XML stuff ? This is where it takes its own , um , syntax , and converts it somehow. Um. Where is the uh

Um , where it actually produces the  the XML out of the , uh , parsed  stuff.


Um , where it actually produces the  the XML out of the , uh , parsed  stuff.

No , this is not it. Uh. I can't find it now. You mean , where the  where the act how the action " Goodbye " maps into something


No , this is not it. Uh. I can't find it now. You mean , where the  where the act how the action " Goodbye " maps into something

Yeah , where are those constructors defined ?


Yeah , where are those constructors defined ?


Yeah. This is sort of what happens. This is what you would need to  to change  to get the , uh , XML changed. So when it encounts encounters " Day " ,  it will , uh , activate those h classes in the  in the XML stuff But , um  I saw those actions  uh , the " Goodbye " stuff somewhere. Hmm , hmm , hmm , hmm , hmm.


That 's just a  specification for the XML format.


That 's just a  specification for the XML format.

Yep. Well , we 'll find that out. So whatever  n this does  I mean this is , basically , looks l to me like a function call , right ?


That 's just a  specification for the XML format.

Yep. Well , we 'll find that out. So whatever  n this does  I mean this is , basically , looks l to me like a function call , right ?

And , um  So , whenever it  it encounters " Goodbye " , which we can make it do in a second , here


Yep. Well , we 'll find that out. So whatever  n this does  I mean this is , basically , looks l to me like a function call , right ?

And , um  So , whenever it  it encounters " Goodbye " , which we can make it do in a second , here

That function automatically generates an initialized XML structure ?


And , um  So , whenever it  it encounters " Goodbye " , which we can make it do in a second , here

That function automatically generates an initialized XML structure ?

I think each of those functions act on the current XML structure , and change it in some way , for example , by adding a  a l a field to it , or something.


And , um  So , whenever it  it encounters " Goodbye " , which we can make it do in a second , here

That function automatically generates an initialized XML structure ?

I think each of those functions act on the current XML structure , and change it in some way , for example , by adding a  a l a field to it , or something.

y Yeah. They also seem to affect state ,


That function automatically generates an initialized XML structure ?

I think each of those functions act on the current XML structure , and change it in some way , for example , by adding a  a l a field to it , or something.

y Yeah. They also seem to affect state ,


I think each of those functions act on the current XML structure , and change it in some way , for example , by adding a  a l a field to it , or something.

y Yeah. They also seem to affect state ,

cause some of them  there were other actions uh , that  that s seemed to step  state variables somewhere ,


y Yeah. They also seem to affect state ,

cause some of them  there were other actions uh , that  that s seemed to step  state variables somewhere ,


cause some of them  there were other actions uh , that  that s seemed to step  state variables somewhere ,

like the n s " Discourse Status Confirm ". OK. So that 's going to be a call on the discourse


like the n s " Discourse Status Confirm ". OK. So that 's going to be a call on the discourse


Oh , you mean that 's not going to actually modify the tree ,


Oh , you mean that 's not going to actually modify the tree ,

I think it 's actually  That looks like it 's state modification.


I think it 's actually  That looks like it 's state modification.


I think it 's actually  That looks like it 's state modification.

e mmm Um , well i There is a feature called " Discourse - Status " ,


e mmm Um , well i There is a feature called " Discourse - Status " ,


e mmm Um , well i There is a feature called " Discourse - Status " ,

And so whenever I just say , " Write " , it will  it will put this in here.


And so whenever I just say , " Write " , it will  it will put this in here.

Oh , so it always just  Is it  So it  Well , go back , then , cuz it may be that all those th things , while they look like function calls , are just a way of adding exactly that to the XML.


Oh , so it always just  Is it  So it  Well , go back , then , cuz it may be that all those th things , while they look like function calls , are just a way of adding exactly that to the XML.


Um  well , we  we 'll see , when we say , let 's test something , " Goodbye " , causes it to c to create basically an " Action Goodbye - End - Action ".


Um  well , we  we 'll see , when we say , let 's test something , " Goodbye " , causes it to c to create basically an " Action Goodbye - End - Action ".

Which is a means of telling the system to shut down.


Which is a means of telling the system to shut down.

Now , if we know that " Write " produces a " Feature Discourse - Status Confirm Discourse - Status ". So if I now say " Write , Goodbye , " it should do that. It sho it creates this ,


Now , if we know that " Write " produces a " Feature Discourse - Status Confirm Discourse - Status ". So if I now say " Write , Goodbye , " it should do that. It sho it creates this ,


Right there. But there is some kind of function call , because how does it know to put Goodbye in Content , but , uh , Confirm in Features ?


Right there. But there is some kind of function call , because how does it know to put Goodbye in Content , but , uh , Confirm in Features ?

So So , it 's not just that it 's adding that field.


So So , it 's not just that it 's adding that field.


It 's  it 's  the  It 's under what sub - type you 're doing it. Yeah.


Well , they 're defined somewhere , presumably.


Well , they 're defined somewhere , presumably.

You bury the s the state in the function Alright.


You bury the s the state in the function Alright.


You bury the s the state in the function Alright.

Well , it just automatically initializes things that are common , right ?


Well , it just automatically initializes things that are common , right ?


For example  Oh , this is German. Sorry. e So , now , this , it cannot do anymore. Nothing comes out of here.


For example  Oh , this is German. Sorry. e So , now , this , it cannot do anymore. Nothing comes out of here.

So , it doesn't speak German anymore , but it does speak English. And there is , here , a reference  So , this tells us that whatever is  has the ID " zero " is referenced here  by @ @  the restriction seed and this is exa " I want  " What was the sentence ?


So , it doesn't speak German anymore , but it does speak English. And there is , here , a reference  So , this tells us that whatever is  has the ID " zero " is referenced here  by @ @  the restriction seed and this is exa " I want  " What was the sentence ?

" need two seats here. " Nuh. " And where is it playing ? " There should also be a reference to something , maybe. Our d This is re um Mmm. Here , we change  and so , we  Here we add something to the Discourse - Status , that the user wants to change something that was sort of done before And , uh  and that , whatever is being changed has something to do with the cinema.


So , it doesn't speak German anymore , but it does speak English. And there is , here , a reference  So , this tells us that whatever is  has the ID " zero " is referenced here  by @ @  the restriction seed and this is exa " I want  " What was the sentence ?

" need two seats here. " Nuh. " And where is it playing ? " There should also be a reference to something , maybe. Our d This is re um Mmm. Here , we change  and so , we  Here we add something to the Discourse - Status , that the user wants to change something that was sort of done before And , uh  and that , whatever is being changed has something to do with the cinema.

So then , whatever takes this M - three - L is what actually changes the state , not the  Yeah , OK.


" need two seats here. " Nuh. " And where is it playing ? " There should also be a reference to something , maybe. Our d This is re um Mmm. Here , we change  and so , we  Here we add something to the Discourse - Status , that the user wants to change something that was sort of done before And , uh  and that , whatever is being changed has something to do with the cinema.

So then , whatever takes this M - three - L is what actually changes the state , not the  Yeah , OK.


So then , whatever takes this M - three - L is what actually changes the state , not the  Yeah , OK.

yeah. I see. And it  and it runs around looking for Discourse Status tags , and doing whatever it does with them. And other people ignore those tags. Alright. So , yeah. I definitely think it 's   It 's worth the exercise of trying to actually add something that isn't there.


yeah. I see. And it  and it runs around looking for Discourse Status tags , and doing whatever it does with them. And other people ignore those tags. Alright. So , yeah. I definitely think it 's   It 's worth the exercise of trying to actually add something that isn't there.


yeah. I see. And it  and it runs around looking for Discourse Status tags , and doing whatever it does with them. And other people ignore those tags. Alright. So , yeah. I definitely think it 's   It 's worth the exercise of trying to actually add something that isn't there.

Sort of get a complete understanding of the whole thing.


Sort of get a complete understanding of the whole thing.

Yeah , a kid understanding what 's going on. Then the next thing we talked about is actually ,  um , figuring out how to add our own tags , and stuff like that.


Sort of get a complete understanding of the whole thing.

Yeah , a kid understanding what 's going on. Then the next thing we talked about is actually ,  um , figuring out how to add our own tags , and stuff like that.

OK. Point number two. I got the , uh , M - three - L for the routes today. Uh , so I got some more. This is sort of the uh ,  um , Hmm. Interesting. It 's just going up , it 's not going back down. So , this is  um , what I got today is  the  the new  um  M - three - L for um ,   the Maps ,


Yeah , a kid understanding what 's going on. Then the next thing we talked about is actually ,  um , figuring out how to add our own tags , and stuff like that.

OK. Point number two. I got the , uh , M - three - L for the routes today. Uh , so I got some more. This is sort of the uh ,  um , Hmm. Interesting. It 's just going up , it 's not going back down. So , this is  um , what I got today is  the  the new  um  M - three - L for um ,   the Maps ,

uh , and with some examples  So , this is the XML and this is sort of what it will look like later on , even though it  you can't see it on  on this resolution. And this is what it  sort of is the  the structure of Map requests , um also not very interesting , and here is the more interesting stuff for us , is the routes , route elements , and , again , as we thought it 's really simple. This is sort of the , uh ,   um ,  parameters. We have @ @  simple " from objects " and " to objects " and so forth , points of interest along the way  And , um , I asked them whether or not we could , um  First of all , I was little bit  It seemed to me that this m way of doing it is sort of a stack a step backwards from the way we 've done it before. t It seems to me that some notions were missing.


OK. Point number two. I got the , uh , M - three - L for the routes today. Uh , so I got some more. This is sort of the uh ,  um , Hmm. Interesting. It 's just going up , it 's not going back down. So , this is  um , what I got today is  the  the new  um  M - three - L for um ,   the Maps ,

uh , and with some examples  So , this is the XML and this is sort of what it will look like later on , even though it  you can't see it on  on this resolution. And this is what it  sort of is the  the structure of Map requests , um also not very interesting , and here is the more interesting stuff for us , is the routes , route elements , and , again , as we thought it 's really simple. This is sort of the , uh ,   um ,  parameters. We have @ @  simple " from objects " and " to objects " and so forth , points of interest along the way  And , um , I asked them whether or not we could , um  First of all , I was little bit  It seemed to me that this m way of doing it is sort of a stack a step backwards from the way we 've done it before. t It seems to me that some notions were missing.


uh , and with some examples  So , this is the XML and this is sort of what it will look like later on , even though it  you can't see it on  on this resolution. And this is what it  sort of is the  the structure of Map requests , um also not very interesting , and here is the more interesting stuff for us , is the routes , route elements , and , again , as we thought it 's really simple. This is sort of the , uh ,   um ,  parameters. We have @ @  simple " from objects " and " to objects " and so forth , points of interest along the way  And , um , I asked them whether or not we could , um  First of all , I was little bit  It seemed to me that this m way of doing it is sort of a stack a step backwards from the way we 've done it before. t It seems to me that some notions were missing.

So these are  these are your friends back at EML.


So these are  these are your friends back at EML.

So this is not a complicated negotiation. There 's  there 's not seven committees , or anything , right ?


So this is not a complicated negotiation. There 's  there 's not seven committees , or anything , right ?

Great. So this is just trying to  It 's a design thing , not a political thing. Once we 've  eh  We can just sort of agree on what oughta be done.


Great. So this is just trying to  It 's a design thing , not a political thing. Once we 've  eh  We can just sort of agree on what oughta be done.


Great. So this is just trying to  It 's a design thing , not a political thing. Once we 've  eh  We can just sort of agree on what oughta be done.

Exactly. And , um  And , uh  However , the , uh  e So that you understand , it is really simple. Uh  You  you have a route , and you cut it up in different pieces. And every  every element of that e r r f of that  Every segment we call a " route element ". And so , from A to B we cut up in three different steps , and every step has a " from object " where you start , a " to object " where y where  you sort of end , and some points of interest along the way. What w I was sort of missing here , and uh , maybe it was just me being too stupid , is ,  I didn't sort of get the  the notion of the global goal of the whole route. Really , s was not straightforward visibly for me. And some other stuff. And I  suggested that they should n be  k uh , kind enough to do s two things for us , is one , um ,   Also allocating , uh , some tags for our Action Schema Enter - Vista - Approach , and  And also , um , since you had suggested that  that , um , we figure out if we ever , for a demo reason , wanted to shortcut directly to the g GIS and the Planner , of how we can do it. Now , what 's the state of the art of getting to entrances , um , what 's the syntax for that , how get getting to  vista points and calculating those on the spot. And the Approach mode , anyhow , is the default. That 's all they do it these days. Wherever you 'll find a route planner it n does nothing but get to the closest point where the street network is  at minimal distance to the geometric center.


Exactly. And , um  And , uh  However , the , uh  e So that you understand , it is really simple. Uh  You  you have a route , and you cut it up in different pieces. And every  every element of that e r r f of that  Every segment we call a " route element ". And so , from A to B we cut up in three different steps , and every step has a " from object " where you start , a " to object " where y where  you sort of end , and some points of interest along the way. What w I was sort of missing here , and uh , maybe it was just me being too stupid , is ,  I didn't sort of get the  the notion of the global goal of the whole route. Really , s was not straightforward visibly for me. And some other stuff. And I  suggested that they should n be  k uh , kind enough to do s two things for us , is one , um ,   Also allocating , uh , some tags for our Action Schema Enter - Vista - Approach , and  And also , um , since you had suggested that  that , um , we figure out if we ever , for a demo reason , wanted to shortcut directly to the g GIS and the Planner , of how we can do it. Now , what 's the state of the art of getting to entrances , um , what 's the syntax for that , how get getting to  vista points and calculating those on the spot. And the Approach mode , anyhow , is the default. That 's all they do it these days. Wherever you 'll find a route planner it n does nothing but get to the closest point where the street network is  at minimal distance to the geometric center.


Exactly. And , um  And , uh  However , the , uh  e So that you understand , it is really simple. Uh  You  you have a route , and you cut it up in different pieces. And every  every element of that e r r f of that  Every segment we call a " route element ". And so , from A to B we cut up in three different steps , and every step has a " from object " where you start , a " to object " where y where  you sort of end , and some points of interest along the way. What w I was sort of missing here , and uh , maybe it was just me being too stupid , is ,  I didn't sort of get the  the notion of the global goal of the whole route. Really , s was not straightforward visibly for me. And some other stuff. And I  suggested that they should n be  k uh , kind enough to do s two things for us , is one , um ,   Also allocating , uh , some tags for our Action Schema Enter - Vista - Approach , and  And also , um , since you had suggested that  that , um , we figure out if we ever , for a demo reason , wanted to shortcut directly to the g GIS and the Planner , of how we can do it. Now , what 's the state of the art of getting to entrances , um , what 's the syntax for that , how get getting to  vista points and calculating those on the spot. And the Approach mode , anyhow , is the default. That 's all they do it these days. Wherever you 'll find a route planner it n does nothing but get to the closest point where the street network is  at minimal distance to the geometric center.

So , well , let  Now , this is important. Let , uh  I want a a Again , outside of m almost managerial point , um  You 're in the midst of this , so you know better. But it seems to me it 's probably a good idea to li uh  minimize the number of uh , change requests we make of them. So it seemed to me , what we ought to do is get our story together. OK ? And think about it some , internally , before asking them to make changes.


So , well , let  Now , this is important. Let , uh  I want a a Again , outside of m almost managerial point , um  You 're in the midst of this , so you know better. But it seems to me it 's probably a good idea to li uh  minimize the number of uh , change requests we make of them. So it seemed to me , what we ought to do is get our story together. OK ? And think about it some , internally , before asking them to make changes.


So , well , let  Now , this is important. Let , uh  I want a a Again , outside of m almost managerial point , um  You 're in the midst of this , so you know better. But it seems to me it 's probably a good idea to li uh  minimize the number of uh , change requests we make of them. So it seemed to me , what we ought to do is get our story together. OK ? And think about it some , internally , before asking them to make changes.

Oh. Does this  does this make sense to you guys ? It  I mean you 're  you 're doing the  the interaction but it seemed to me that  what we ought to do is come up with a  uh , something where you , um  And I  I don't know who 's mok working most closely on it. Probably Johno. OK. Uh , take what they have , send it to everybody saying " this is what they have , this is what we think we should add " , OK ? and then have a d a  an iteration within our group saying " Hmm , well  " OK ? And get our best idea of what we should add.


Oh. Does this  does this make sense to you guys ? It  I mean you 're  you 're doing the  the interaction but it seemed to me that  what we ought to do is come up with a  uh , something where you , um  And I  I don't know who 's mok working most closely on it. Probably Johno. OK. Uh , take what they have , send it to everybody saying " this is what they have , this is what we think we should add " , OK ? and then have a d a  an iteration within our group saying " Hmm , well  " OK ? And get our best idea of what we should add.

And then go back to them. Is i or , I don't know does this make sense to you ? Or


Oh. Does this  does this make sense to you guys ? It  I mean you 're  you 're doing the  the interaction but it seemed to me that  what we ought to do is come up with a  uh , something where you , um  And I  I don't know who 's mok working most closely on it. Probably Johno. OK. Uh , take what they have , send it to everybody saying " this is what they have , this is what we think we should add " , OK ? and then have a d a  an iteration within our group saying " Hmm , well  " OK ? And get our best idea of what we should add.

And then go back to them. Is i or , I don't know does this make sense to you ? Or

Yeah.  Especially if we want  Sort of , what I  my feeling was eh we  we sort of reserved something that has a r eh an OK label. That 's  th that was my th first sort of step.


And then go back to them. Is i or , I don't know does this make sense to you ? Or

Yeah.  Especially if we want  Sort of , what I  my feeling was eh we  we sort of reserved something that has a r eh an OK label. That 's  th that was my th first sort of step.


And then go back to them. Is i or , I don't know does this make sense to you ? Or

Yeah.  Especially if we want  Sort of , what I  my feeling was eh we  we sort of reserved something that has a r eh an OK label. That 's  th that was my th first sort of step.

I w No matter how we want to call it ,  this is sort of our playground.


Yeah.  Especially if we want  Sort of , what I  my feeling was eh we  we sort of reserved something that has a r eh an OK label. That 's  th that was my th first sort of step.

I w No matter how we want to call it ,  this is sort of our playground.


I w No matter how we want to call it ,  this is sort of our playground.

And if we get something in there that is a structure elaborate and  and  and  and  and complex enough to  to  to maybe enable a whole simulation , one of these days , that would be  u the  the perfect goal.


I w No matter how we want to call it ,  this is sort of our playground.

And if we get something in there that is a structure elaborate and  and  and  and  and complex enough to  to  to maybe enable a whole simulation , one of these days , that would be  u the  the perfect goal.

Right. That 's right. So. So , Yeah. The problem isn't the short ra range optimization. It 's the sort of  o one or two year kind of thing. OK. What are the thl class of things we think we might try to do in a year or two ? How  how would we try to characterize those and what do we want to request now  that 's leave enough space to do all that stuff ?


And if we get something in there that is a structure elaborate and  and  and  and  and complex enough to  to  to maybe enable a whole simulation , one of these days , that would be  u the  the perfect goal.

Right. That 's right. So. So , Yeah. The problem isn't the short ra range optimization. It 's the sort of  o one or two year kind of thing. OK. What are the thl class of things we think we might try to do in a year or two ? How  how would we try to characterize those and what do we want to request now  that 's leave enough space to do all that stuff ?


Right. That 's right. So. So , Yeah. The problem isn't the short ra range optimization. It 's the sort of  o one or two year kind of thing. OK. What are the thl class of things we think we might try to do in a year or two ? How  how would we try to characterize those and what do we want to request now  that 's leave enough space to do all that stuff ?


And  so that sounds like a great thing to do  as the priority item um , as soon as we can do it.


And  so that sounds like a great thing to do  as the priority item um , as soon as we can do it.

So y so you guys will  send to the rest of us um   a version of um , this , and  the  uh , description


And  so that sounds like a great thing to do  as the priority item um , as soon as we can do it.

So y so you guys will  send to the rest of us um   a version of um , this , and  the  uh , description

With sugge yeah , suggested improvements and


So y so you guys will  send to the rest of us um   a version of um , this , and  the  uh , description

With sugge yeah , suggested improvements and

Well b Yeah. So , the  the  uh  Not everyone uh , reads German , so if you 'd um


With sugge yeah , suggested improvements and

Well b Yeah. So , the  the  uh  Not everyone uh , reads German , so if you 'd um

tu uh , tur change the description to , uh , English


Well b Yeah. So , the  the  uh  Not everyone uh , reads German , so if you 'd um

tu uh , tur change the description to , uh , English


tu uh , tur change the description to , uh , English

and , um , Then  then , yeah. Then , with some sug s suggestions about where  where do we go from here ?


and , um , Then  then , yeah. Then , with some sug s suggestions about where  where do we go from here ?

Uh , this  and this , of course , was just the   action end. Uh , at some point we 're going to have to worry about the language end. But for the moment just  uh , t for this class of  of things , we might want to try to encompass. And


and , um , Then  then , yeah. Then , with some sug s suggestions about where  where do we go from here ?

Uh , this  and this , of course , was just the   action end. Uh , at some point we 're going to have to worry about the language end. But for the moment just  uh , t for this class of  of things , we might want to try to encompass. And

Then the scope of this is beyond  Approach and Vis - or Vista. Yeah , yeah.


Uh , this  and this , of course , was just the   action end. Uh , at some point we 're going to have to worry about the language end. But for the moment just  uh , t for this class of  of things , we might want to try to encompass. And

Then the scope of this is beyond  Approach and Vis - or Vista. Yeah , yeah.

Oh , yeah , yeah yeah yeah. This is  this is everything that  that , um ,   you know , um  we might want to do in the next couple years.


Then the scope of this is beyond  Approach and Vis - or Vista. Yeah , yeah.

Oh , yeah , yeah yeah yeah. This is  this is everything that  that , um ,   you know , um  we might want to do in the next couple years.


Oh , yeah , yeah yeah yeah. This is  this is everything that  that , um ,   you know , um  we might want to do in the next couple years.


We don't  I mean , that 's an issue. We don't know what , entirely.


We don't  I mean , that 's an issue. We don't know what , entirely.

Uh , yeah. but I 'm just  But the  Yeah , OK. So I just  this XML stuff here just has to do with Source - Path - Goal type stuff , in terms of traveling through Heidelberg.


Uh , yeah. but I 'm just  But the  Yeah , OK. So I just  this XML stuff here just has to do with Source - Path - Goal type stuff , in terms of traveling through Heidelberg.


So , but this O Is the domain greater than that ?


So , but this O Is the domain greater than that ?

I think  I think the i the idea is  that  Oh. It 's beyond Source - Path - Goal , but I think we don't need to get beyond it @ @   tourists in Heidelberg.


I think  I think the i the idea is  that  Oh. It 's beyond Source - Path - Goal , but I think we don't need to get beyond it @ @   tourists in Heidelberg.


I think  I think the i the idea is  that  Oh. It 's beyond Source - Path - Goal , but I think we don't need to get beyond it @ @   tourists in Heidelberg.

It seems to me we can get  all the complexity we want in actions and in language without going outside of tourists in Heidelberg. OK ? But you know , i depending on what people are interested in , one could have ,  uh , tours , one could have  um , explanations of why something is  is , you know , why  why was this done , or  I mean , no  there 's no end to the complexity you can build into the   uh , what a tourist in Heidelberg might ask.


It seems to me we can get  all the complexity we want in actions and in language without going outside of tourists in Heidelberg. OK ? But you know , i depending on what people are interested in , one could have ,  uh , tours , one could have  um , explanations of why something is  is , you know , why  why was this done , or  I mean , no  there 's no end to the complexity you can build into the   uh , what a tourist in Heidelberg might ask.

So , at least  unless somebody else wants t to suggest otherwise I think  the general domain we don't have t to uh , broaden. That is , tourists in Heidelberg. And if there 's something somebody comes up with that can't be done that way , then , sure. W we 'll  we 'll look at that , but  uh I 'd be s I I 'd be surprised at  if there 's any   important issue that  that  And , um  I mean if  if you want to  uh , push us into reference problems , that would be great.


So , at least  unless somebody else wants t to suggest otherwise I think  the general domain we don't have t to uh , broaden. That is , tourists in Heidelberg. And if there 's something somebody comes up with that can't be done that way , then , sure. W we 'll  we 'll look at that , but  uh I 'd be s I I 'd be surprised at  if there 's any   important issue that  that  And , um  I mean if  if you want to  uh , push us into reference problems , that would be great.

OK , so this is  his specialty is  reference ,


OK , so this is  his specialty is  reference ,

and  you know , what  what are these things referring to ? Not only  anaphora , but , uh , more generally the , uh  this whole issue of , uh , referring expressions , and , what is it that they 're actually dealing with in the world ?


and  you know , what  what are these things referring to ? Not only  anaphora , but , uh , more generally the , uh  this whole issue of , uh , referring expressions , and , what is it that they 're actually dealing with in the world ?

And , again , this is li in the databa this is also pretty well formed because there is an ontology , and the database , and stuff. So it isn't like ,  um , you know , the Evening Star or stuff like that.


And , again , this is li in the databa this is also pretty well formed because there is an ontology , and the database , and stuff. So it isn't like ,  um , you know , the Evening Star or stuff like that.

I i it  All the entities do have concrete reference. Although th the  To get at them from a language may not be trivial.


I i it  All the entities do have concrete reference. Although th the  To get at them from a language may not be trivial.

There aren't really deep mysteries about um , what w what things the system knows about.


I i it  All the entities do have concrete reference. Although th the  To get at them from a language may not be trivial.

There aren't really deep mysteries about um , what w what things the system knows about.

Right. Right. And you have both proper names and descriptions


There aren't really deep mysteries about um , what w what things the system knows about.

Right. Right. And you have both proper names and descriptions


Right. Right. And you have both proper names and descriptions

Yeah. You have proper names , and descriptions.


Yeah. You have proper names , and descriptions.


Yeah. You have proper names , and descriptions.

And a l and a lot  and  and anaphora , and pronouns ,


And a l and a lot  and  and anaphora , and pronouns ,


Now , we hav the  the whole  Unfortunately , the whole database is , uh ,  in German. We have just commissioned someone to translate some bits of it , IE the e the shortest k the  the more general descriptions of all the objects and , um , persons and events. So , it 's a relational database with persons , events ,  and , um , objects. And it 's  it 's quite , um ,  there. But did y I  uh  I think there will be great because the reference problem really is not trivial , even if you have such a g well - defined world.


Now , we hav the  the whole  Unfortunately , the whole database is , uh ,  in German. We have just commissioned someone to translate some bits of it , IE the e the shortest k the  the more general descriptions of all the objects and , um , persons and events. So , it 's a relational database with persons , events ,  and , um , objects. And it 's  it 's quite , um ,  there. But did y I  uh  I think there will be great because the reference problem really is not trivial , even if you have such a g well - defined world.

Ah - he you are not , uh , throwing uh , uh , carrying owls to Athens.


Now , we hav the  the whole  Unfortunately , the whole database is , uh ,  in German. We have just commissioned someone to translate some bits of it , IE the e the shortest k the  the more general descriptions of all the objects and , um , persons and events. So , it 's a relational database with persons , events ,  and , um , objects. And it 's  it 's quite , um ,  there. But did y I  uh  I think there will be great because the reference problem really is not trivial , even if you have such a g well - defined world.

Ah - he you are not , uh , throwing uh , uh , carrying owls to Athens.

Could you give me an example of a reference problem ? so  so l I can make it more concrete ?


Ah - he you are not , uh , throwing uh , uh , carrying owls to Athens.

Could you give me an example of a reference problem ? so  so l I can make it more concrete ?

Well   How do I get to the Powder - Tower ? We sort of t think that our bit in this problem is interesting , but , just to get from Powder - Tower to an object I ID in a database is also not really trivial.


Ah - he you are not , uh , throwing uh , uh , carrying owls to Athens.

Could you give me an example of a reference problem ? so  so l I can make it more concrete ?

Well   How do I get to the Powder - Tower ? We sort of t think that our bit in this problem is interesting , but , just to get from Powder - Tower to an object I ID in a database is also not really trivial.

Or  or if you take something even more scary , um , " how do I get to the third building after the Tower ? the Ple - Powder - Tower ? "


Could you give me an example of a reference problem ? so  so l I can make it more concrete ?

Well   How do I get to the Powder - Tower ? We sort of t think that our bit in this problem is interesting , but , just to get from Powder - Tower to an object I ID in a database is also not really trivial.

Or  or if you take something even more scary , um , " how do I get to the third building after the Tower ? the Ple - Powder - Tower ? "


Well   How do I get to the Powder - Tower ? We sort of t think that our bit in this problem is interesting , but , just to get from Powder - Tower to an object I ID in a database is also not really trivial.

Or  or if you take something even more scary , um , " how do I get to the third building after the Tower ? the Ple - Powder - Tower ? "


Or  or if you take something even more scary , um , " how do I get to the third building after the Tower ? the Ple - Powder - Tower ? "

Yeah. Or , you know , the church across from City Hall , or


Yeah. Or , you know , the church across from City Hall , or

Or the re the restaurant where they wear lederhosen ?


Or the re the restaurant where they wear lederhosen ?


O or  or tower , or this tower , or that building , or


Or you can say " how  " you know , " how do I get back ? "


Or you can say " how  " you know , " how do I get back ? "

OK. And , again , it 's just a question of which of these things , uh , people want to  dive into. What , uh , I think I 'm gonna try to do , and I guess , pwww ! let 's say that by the end of spring break , I 'll try to come up with some  general story about , um , construction grammar , and what constructions we 'd use and how all this might fit together. There 's this whole framework problem that I 'm feeling really uncomfortable about. And I haven't had a chance to  think about it seriously. But I  I want to  I want to do that early , rather than late. And you and I will probably have to talk about this some.


Or you can say " how  " you know , " how do I get back ? "

OK. And , again , it 's just a question of which of these things , uh , people want to  dive into. What , uh , I think I 'm gonna try to do , and I guess , pwww ! let 's say that by the end of spring break , I 'll try to come up with some  general story about , um , construction grammar , and what constructions we 'd use and how all this might fit together. There 's this whole framework problem that I 'm feeling really uncomfortable about. And I haven't had a chance to  think about it seriously. But I  I want to  I want to do that early , rather than late. And you and I will probably have to talk about this some.

u u u u That 's what strikes me , that we sort of  the de g uh , small  Something , uh , maybe we should address one of these days , is to   That most of the work people actually always do is look at some statements , and  and analyze those. Whether it 's abstracts or newspapers and stuff like this.


OK. And , again , it 's just a question of which of these things , uh , people want to  dive into. What , uh , I think I 'm gonna try to do , and I guess , pwww ! let 's say that by the end of spring break , I 'll try to come up with some  general story about , um , construction grammar , and what constructions we 'd use and how all this might fit together. There 's this whole framework problem that I 'm feeling really uncomfortable about. And I haven't had a chance to  think about it seriously. But I  I want to  I want to do that early , rather than late. And you and I will probably have to talk about this some.

u u u u That 's what strikes me , that we sort of  the de g uh , small  Something , uh , maybe we should address one of these days , is to   That most of the work people actually always do is look at some statements , and  and analyze those. Whether it 's abstracts or newspapers and stuff like this.


OK. And , again , it 's just a question of which of these things , uh , people want to  dive into. What , uh , I think I 'm gonna try to do , and I guess , pwww ! let 's say that by the end of spring break , I 'll try to come up with some  general story about , um , construction grammar , and what constructions we 'd use and how all this might fit together. There 's this whole framework problem that I 'm feeling really uncomfortable about. And I haven't had a chance to  think about it seriously. But I  I want to  I want to do that early , rather than late. And you and I will probably have to talk about this some.

u u u u That 's what strikes me , that we sort of  the de g uh , small  Something , uh , maybe we should address one of these days , is to   That most of the work people actually always do is look at some statements , and  and analyze those. Whether it 's abstracts or newspapers and stuff like this.

But the whole  i is it  is it really relevant that we are dealing mostly with , sort of , questions ?


u u u u That 's what strikes me , that we sort of  the de g uh , small  Something , uh , maybe we should address one of these days , is to   That most of the work people actually always do is look at some statements , and  and analyze those. Whether it 's abstracts or newspapers and stuff like this.

But the whole  i is it  is it really relevant that we are dealing mostly with , sort of , questions ?


But the whole  i is it  is it really relevant that we are dealing mostly with , sort of , questions ?


And this is  It seems to me that we should maybe at least spend a session or  or brainstorm a little bit about whether that l this is special case in that sense.


And this is  It seems to me that we should maybe at least spend a session or  or brainstorm a little bit about whether that l this is special case in that sense.

Um , I don't know. You know  Did we ever find m metaphorical use in  in questions in  in that sense , really ?


Um , I don't know. You know  Did we ever find m metaphorical use in  in questions in  in that sense , really ?


I mean , uh , we could take all the standard metaphor examples and make question versions of them. OK.


I mean , uh , we could take all the standard metaphor examples and make question versions of them. OK.

Yeah , or , you know. " Wh - why is he  why is he pushing for promotion ? "


Yeah , or , you know. " Wh - why is he  why is he pushing for promotion ? "


er , just pick  pick any of them and just  do the  eh


er , just pick  pick any of them and just  do the  eh

So I don't  I don't think ,  uh , it 's at all difficult  Uh , to convert them to question forms that really exist and people say all the time , um  And  sort of  we don't know how to handle them , too. Right ? I mean , it 's  I d It  We don't know how to handle the declarative forms , @ @  really , and , then , the interrogative forms , ah - oh. Uh. Yeah.


So I don't  I don't think ,  uh , it 's at all difficult  Uh , to convert them to question forms that really exist and people say all the time , um  And  sort of  we don't know how to handle them , too. Right ? I mean , it 's  I d It  We don't know how to handle the declarative forms , @ @  really , and , then , the interrogative forms , ah - oh. Uh. Yeah.


So I don't  I don't think ,  uh , it 's at all difficult  Uh , to convert them to question forms that really exist and people say all the time , um  And  sort of  we don't know how to handle them , too. Right ? I mean , it 's  I d It  We don't know how to handle the declarative forms , @ @  really , and , then , the interrogative forms , ah - oh. Uh. Yeah.

Oh. it 's just that  that the goals are g very different to cases  So we had this problem last year when we first thought about this domain , actually , was that  most of the things we talked about are our story understanding.


Oh. it 's just that  that the goals are g very different to cases  So we had this problem last year when we first thought about this domain , actually , was that  most of the things we talked about are our story understanding.


Oh. it 's just that  that the goals are g very different to cases  So we had this problem last year when we first thought about this domain , actually , was that  most of the things we talked about are our story understanding.

Uh , we 're gonna have a short discourse and  the person talking is trying to , I don't know , give you a statement and tell you something. And here ,  it 's th


Oh. it 's just that  that the goals are g very different to cases  So we had this problem last year when we first thought about this domain , actually , was that  most of the things we talked about are our story understanding.

Uh , we 're gonna have a short discourse and  the person talking is trying to , I don't know , give you a statement and tell you something. And here ,  it 's th

Help you create a mental model , blah - blah - blah. Yeah.


Uh , we 're gonna have a short discourse and  the person talking is trying to , I don't know , give you a statement and tell you something. And here ,  it 's th

Help you create a mental model , blah - blah - blah. Yeah.


Help you create a mental model , blah - blah - blah. Yeah.

And then here , y you are j uh , the person is getting information and they or may not be following some larger plan ,  you know , that we have to recognize or , you know , infer. And th th the  their discourse patterns probably  don't follo follow quite as many  logical connec


And then here , y you are j uh , the person is getting information and they or may not be following some larger plan ,  you know , that we have to recognize or , you know , infer. And th th the  their discourse patterns probably  don't follo follow quite as many  logical connec

Right. No , I think that 's one of things that 's interesting , is  is in this sort of over - arching story we  we worked it out for th as you say , this  the storytelling scenario.


And then here , y you are j uh , the person is getting information and they or may not be following some larger plan ,  you know , that we have to recognize or , you know , infer. And th th the  their discourse patterns probably  don't follo follow quite as many  logical connec

Right. No , I think that 's one of things that 's interesting , is  is in this sort of over - arching story we  we worked it out for th as you say , this  the storytelling scenario.

And I think it 's really worth thinking through   what it looks like.


Right. No , I think that 's one of things that 's interesting , is  is in this sort of over - arching story we  we worked it out for th as you say , this  the storytelling scenario.

And I think it 's really worth thinking through   what it looks like.


And I think it 's really worth thinking through   what it looks like.


And I think it 's really worth thinking through   what it looks like.

Mm - hmm. M Right. Cuz for a while we were thinking , " well , how can we change the ,  um , data to sort of illicit tha  illicit , um , actions that are more like what we are used to ? " But obviously we would rather , you know , try to figure out what 's  what 's , you know


Mm - hmm. M Right. Cuz for a while we were thinking , " well , how can we change the ,  um , data to sort of illicit tha  illicit , um , actions that are more like what we are used to ? " But obviously we would rather , you know , try to figure out what 's  what 's , you know

Well , I don't know. I mean , maybe  maybe that 's what we 'll do is  is s u e We can do anything we want with it. I mean , once we have fulfilled these requirements ,


Mm - hmm. M Right. Cuz for a while we were thinking , " well , how can we change the ,  um , data to sort of illicit tha  illicit , um , actions that are more like what we are used to ? " But obviously we would rather , you know , try to figure out what 's  what 's , you know

Well , I don't know. I mean , maybe  maybe that 's what we 'll do is  is s u e We can do anything we want with it. I mean , once we have fulfilled these requirements ,

OK , and the one for next uh , summer is just half done and then the other half is this , um , " generation thing " which we think isn't much different.


Well , I don't know. I mean , maybe  maybe that 's what we 'll do is  is s u e We can do anything we want with it. I mean , once we have fulfilled these requirements ,

OK , and the one for next uh , summer is just half done and then the other half is this , um , " generation thing " which we think isn't much different.


OK , and the one for next uh , summer is just half done and then the other half is this , um , " generation thing " which we think isn't much different.

So once that 's done , then all the rest of it is , uh , sort of , you know , what we want to do for the research. And we can  w we can do all sorts of things that don't fit into their framework at all. Th - there 's no reason why we 're c we 're constrained to do that.


So once that 's done , then all the rest of it is , uh , sort of , you know , what we want to do for the research. And we can  w we can do all sorts of things that don't fit into their framework at all. Th - there 's no reason why we 're c we 're constrained to do that.

If we can use all the , uh , execution engines , then we can ,  you know , really  try things that would be too  too much pain to do ourselves.


If we can use all the , uh , execution engines , then we can ,  you know , really  try things that would be too  too much pain to do ourselves.

But there 's no obligation on any of this. So , if we want to turn it into u understan standing stories about Heidelberg , we can do that. I mean , that would just be a t a um


If we can use all the , uh , execution engines , then we can ,  you know , really  try things that would be too  too much pain to do ourselves.

But there 's no obligation on any of this. So , if we want to turn it into u understan standing stories about Heidelberg , we can do that. I mean , that would just be a t a um

Or , as a matter of fact , we need   and if we if we ' r eh  take a ten year perspective , we need to do that , because w e w a Assuming we have this , um , we we ta in that case we actually do have these wonderful stories , and historical anecdotes ,


But there 's no obligation on any of this. So , if we want to turn it into u understan standing stories about Heidelberg , we can do that. I mean , that would just be a t a um

Or , as a matter of fact , we need   and if we if we ' r eh  take a ten year perspective , we need to do that , because w e w a Assuming we have this , um , we we ta in that case we actually do have these wonderful stories , and historical anecdotes ,


Or , as a matter of fact , we need   and if we if we ' r eh  take a ten year perspective , we need to do that , because w e w a Assuming we have this , um , we we ta in that case we actually do have these wonderful stories , and historical anecdotes ,


and - and - and    tons of stuff. So , th the database is huge , and if we want to answer a question on that , we actually have to go one step before that , and understand that. In order to e do sensible information extraction.


and - and - and    tons of stuff. So , th the database is huge , and if we want to answer a question on that , we actually have to go one step before that , and understand that. In order to e do sensible information extraction.

And so , um , this has been a  a  a Deep Map research issue that was  is  is part of the unresolved , and to - do 's , and something for the future , is  how can we sort of run our our text , our content , through a machine  that will enable us , later , to retrieve or answer e questions more sensibly ?


And so , um , this has been a  a  a Deep Map research issue that was  is  is part of the unresolved , and to - do 's , and something for the future , is  how can we sort of run our our text , our content , through a machine  that will enable us , later , to retrieve or answer e questions more sensibly ?


So , uh  So , uh , I was just going to ask , um ,  so , what is the  the basic thing that  that you are , um , obligated to do , um , uh , by the summer before w uh y c we can move


So , uh  So , uh , I was just going to ask , um ,  so , what is the  the basic thing that  that you are , um , obligated to do , um , uh , by the summer before w uh y c we can move

Ah ! OK. So  eh  Yeah. So , what happened is , there 's this , eh , uh  Robert was describing the  There 's two packages there 's a , uh , quote parser , there 's a particular piece  of this big system , which , in German , uh , takes these t sentence templates and produces XML structures. And one of our jobs was to make the English equivalent of that.


Ah ! OK. So  eh  Yeah. So , what happened is , there 's this , eh , uh  Robert was describing the  There 's two packages there 's a , uh , quote parser , there 's a particular piece  of this big system , which , in German , uh , takes these t sentence templates and produces XML structures. And one of our jobs was to make the English equivalent of that.


The other thing is , at the other end , roughly at the same level , there 's something that takes , uh , X M L structures , produces an output XML structure which is instructions for the generator.


The other thing is , at the other end , roughly at the same level , there 's something that takes , uh , X M L structures , produces an output XML structure which is instructions for the generator.

OK ? And then there 's a language generator , and then after that a s a synthesizer that goes from an XML structure to , uh , language generation , to actual specifications for a synthesizer. Eh , but again , there 's one module in which there 's one piece  that we have to convert to English.


OK ? And then there 's a language generator , and then after that a s a synthesizer that goes from an XML structure to , uh , language generation , to actual specifications for a synthesizer. Eh , but again , there 's one module in which there 's one piece  that we have to convert to English.

Is that  OK. And that  But as I say , this is  all along was viewed as a kind of   a m a minor thing , necessary , but  but not


Is that  OK. And that  But as I say , this is  all along was viewed as a kind of   a m a minor thing , necessary , but  but not


And much more interesting is the fact that ,  as part of doing this , we  we are , you know , inheriting this system that does all sort of these other  things.


And much more interesting is the fact that ,  as part of doing this , we  we are , you know , inheriting this system that does all sort of these other  things.

Not precisely what we want , and that 's   that 's wh where it  it gets difficult. And I  I don't pretend to understand yet what I think we really ought to do.


And much more interesting is the fact that ,  as part of doing this , we  we are , you know , inheriting this system that does all sort of these other  things.

Not precisely what we want , and that 's   that 's wh where it  it gets difficult. And I  I don't pretend to understand yet what I think we really ought to do.

OK. So , e enough of that , but I , uh , um , mmm , the e sort of , Johno and I will take up that responsibility , and , um , get a first draft of that. Now , we have um just , I think two more short things.


Not precisely what we want , and that 's   that 's wh where it  it gets difficult. And I  I don't pretend to understand yet what I think we really ought to do.

OK. So , e enough of that , but I , uh , um , mmm , the e sort of , Johno and I will take up that responsibility , and , um , get a first draft of that. Now , we have um just , I think two more short things.


Not precisely what we want , and that 's   that 's wh where it  it gets difficult. And I  I don't pretend to understand yet what I think we really ought to do.

OK. So , e enough of that , but I , uh , um , mmm , the e sort of , Johno and I will take up that responsibility , and , um , get a first draft of that. Now , we have um just , I think two more short things.

Um , y you guys sort of started fighting , uh , on the Bayes - net " Noisy - OR " front ?


OK. So , e enough of that , but I , uh , um , mmm , the e sort of , Johno and I will take up that responsibility , and , um , get a first draft of that. Now , we have um just , I think two more short things.

Um , y you guys sort of started fighting , uh , on the Bayes - net " Noisy - OR " front ?

Hmm. Yeah , I thought I should , um , talk a little bit about that , because that might be a good , uh , sort of architecture to have , in general for , uh , problems with ,  you know , multiple inputs to a node.


Um , y you guys sort of started fighting , uh , on the Bayes - net " Noisy - OR " front ?

Hmm. Yeah , I thought I should , um , talk a little bit about that , because that might be a good , uh , sort of architecture to have , in general for , uh , problems with ,  you know , multiple inputs to a node.

Good ! OK. Good. And what 's the other one ? so that  just we know what the d agenda is ?


Hmm. Yeah , I thought I should , um , talk a little bit about that , because that might be a good , uh , sort of architecture to have , in general for , uh , problems with ,  you know , multiple inputs to a node.

Good ! OK. Good. And what 's the other one ? so that  just we know what the d agenda is ?

Oh , yeah. I 've got a couple new Wu papers as well. Uh , so I  I 've been in contact with Wu , so , probably let 's put that off till I  I  till I understand better ,  uh , what he 's doing. It 's just a little embarrassing cause all this was in his thesis and I was on his thesis committee , and , so ,  I r really knew this at one time.


Good ! OK. Good. And what 's the other one ? so that  just we know what the d agenda is ?

Oh , yeah. I 've got a couple new Wu papers as well. Uh , so I  I 've been in contact with Wu , so , probably let 's put that off till I  I  till I understand better ,  uh , what he 's doing. It 's just a little embarrassing cause all this was in his thesis and I was on his thesis committee , and , so ,  I r really knew this at one time.


Oh , yeah. I 've got a couple new Wu papers as well. Uh , so I  I 've been in contact with Wu , so , probably let 's put that off till I  I  till I understand better ,  uh , what he 's doing. It 's just a little embarrassing cause all this was in his thesis and I was on his thesis committee , and , so ,  I r really knew this at one time.

But , I  I  It 's not only uh Is  Part of what I haven't figured out yet is  is how all this goes together. So I 'll dig up some more stuff from Dekai. And  so why don't we just do the , uh


Oh , yeah. I 've got a couple new Wu papers as well. Uh , so I  I 've been in contact with Wu , so , probably let 's put that off till I  I  till I understand better ,  uh , what he 's doing. It 's just a little embarrassing cause all this was in his thesis and I was on his thesis committee , and , so ,  I r really knew this at one time.

But , I  I  It 's not only uh Is  Part of what I haven't figured out yet is  is how all this goes together. So I 'll dig up some more stuff from Dekai. And  so why don't we just do the , uh

OK. So  should I  Is there a white board here that I can use ?


But , I  I  It 's not only uh Is  Part of what I haven't figured out yet is  is how all this goes together. So I 'll dig up some more stuff from Dekai. And  so why don't we just do the , uh

OK. So  should I  Is there a white board here that I can use ?


OK. So  should I  Is there a white board here that I can use ?


You can put the microphone in your pocket.


You can put the microphone in your pocket.

I was envying you and your pocket cause I don't have one.


I was envying you and your pocket cause I don't have one.

That 's why they invented " pocket T 's ".


That 's why they invented " pocket T 's ".


So , um   Recall that , uh , we want to have this kind of structure in our Bayes - nets. Namely , that , um    You have these nodes that have several bands , right ? So  Does I mean , they sort of  the typical example is that , um , these are all a bunch of cues for something , and this is a certain effect that we 'd like to conclude. So , uh  Like , let 's just look at the case when , um , this is actually the  the final action , right ? So this is like , uh ,  you know , touch ,


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Right. So , I mean , we 'd like to  take all these various cues , right ?


and say , uh  I don't know , it could be , like   This isn't the way it really is , but let me say  that , suppose someone mentioned , uh , admission fees Ah , it takes too long. Try  let me just say " Landmark ". If the thing is a landmark , you know ,  um  then there 's another thing that says if   um  if it 's closed or not , at the moment. Alright , so you have nodes. Right ? And the , uh , problem that we were having was that , you know , given N - nodes , there 's " two to the N " Given N - nodes , and furthermore , the fact that there 's three things here , we need to specify " three times " , uh , " two to the N " probabilities. Right ? That 's assuming these are all binary , which f they may not be. For example , they could be " time of day " , in which case we could , uh , say , you know , " Morning , afternoon , evening , night ". So , this could be more So , it 's a lot , anyway. And , that 's a lot of probabilities to put here , which is kind of a pain. So  Noisy - ORs are a way to , uh ,  sort of deal with this. Um Where should I put this ? So , the idea is that , um ,  Let 's call these , uh , C - one , C - two , C - three , and C - four , and E , for Cause and Effect , I guess. The idea is to have these intermediate nodes. Right. Well , actually , the idea , first of all , is that each of these things has a  quote - unquote distinguished state , which means that this is  the state in which we don't really know anything about it. So  right ? So , for example , if we don't really know  if the thing is a landmark or not , Or , i if that just doesn't seem relevant , then that would be th sort of the Disting - the Distinguish state. It 's a really , you know ,  if there is something for the person talking about the admission fee , you know , if they didn't talk about it , that would be the Distinguish state.