He , um , um , he in indicated to me that they 've  that he 's been , uh , looking , uh , uh , spending a lot of time with  I 'm not quite sure the connection , but spending a lot of time with the ATLAS system. And I guess that  I mean , I  I need to read up on that. And there 's a web site that has lots of papers. But it looks to me like that 's the name that has developed for the system that Bird and Liberman developed  for the annotated  graphs approach.

So what he wants me to do and what we  what we will do and  uh , is to provide them with the u already transcribed meeting for him to be able to experiment with in this ATLAS System. And they do have some sort of software , at least that 's my impression , related to ATLAS and that he wants to experiment with taking our data and putting them in that format , and see how that works out. I  I  I explained to him in  in detail the , uh , conventions that we 're using here in this  in this word level transcript. And , um , you know , I  I explained , you know , the reasons that  that we were not coding more elaborately and  and the focus on reliability. He expressed a lot of interest in reliability. It 's like he 's  he 's really up on these things. He 's  he 's very  Um , independently he asked , " well what about reliability ? " So ,  he 's interested in the consistency of the encoding and that sort of thing. OK , um

Sorry , can you explain what the ATLAS  I 'm not familiar with this ATLAS system.


So what he wants me to do and what we  what we will do and  uh , is to provide them with the u already transcribed meeting for him to be able to experiment with in this ATLAS System. And they do have some sort of software , at least that 's my impression , related to ATLAS and that he wants to experiment with taking our data and putting them in that format , and see how that works out. I  I  I explained to him in  in detail the , uh , conventions that we 're using here in this  in this word level transcript. And , um , you know , I  I explained , you know , the reasons that  that we were not coding more elaborately and  and the focus on reliability. He expressed a lot of interest in reliability. It 's like he 's  he 's really up on these things. He 's  he 's very  Um , independently he asked , " well what about reliability ? " So ,  he 's interested in the consistency of the encoding and that sort of thing. OK , um

Sorry , can you explain what the ATLAS  I 'm not familiar with this ATLAS system.

Well , you know , at this point I think  Uh , well Adam 's read more  in more detail than I have on this. I need to acquaint myself more with it. But , um , there  there is a way of viewing  Uh , whenever you have coding categories , um , and you 're dealing with uh , a taxonomy , then you can have branches that  that have alternative , uh , choices that you could use for each  each of them. And it just ends up looking like a graphical representation.


So what he wants me to do and what we  what we will do and  uh , is to provide them with the u already transcribed meeting for him to be able to experiment with in this ATLAS System. And they do have some sort of software , at least that 's my impression , related to ATLAS and that he wants to experiment with taking our data and putting them in that format , and see how that works out. I  I  I explained to him in  in detail the , uh , conventions that we 're using here in this  in this word level transcript. And , um , you know , I  I explained , you know , the reasons that  that we were not coding more elaborately and  and the focus on reliability. He expressed a lot of interest in reliability. It 's like he 's  he 's really up on these things. He 's  he 's very  Um , independently he asked , " well what about reliability ? " So ,  he 's interested in the consistency of the encoding and that sort of thing. OK , um

Sorry , can you explain what the ATLAS  I 'm not familiar with this ATLAS system.

Well , you know , at this point I think  Uh , well Adam 's read more  in more detail than I have on this. I need to acquaint myself more with it. But , um , there  there is a way of viewing  Uh , whenever you have coding categories , um , and you 're dealing with uh , a taxonomy , then you can have branches that  that have alternative , uh , choices that you could use for each  each of them. And it just ends up looking like a graphical representation.

Is  is  Is ATLAS the  his annotated transcription graph stuff ? I don't remember the acronym. The  the one  the  what I think you 're referring to , they  they have this concept of an an annotated transcription graph representation.


Sorry , can you explain what the ATLAS  I 'm not familiar with this ATLAS system.

Well , you know , at this point I think  Uh , well Adam 's read more  in more detail than I have on this. I need to acquaint myself more with it. But , um , there  there is a way of viewing  Uh , whenever you have coding categories , um , and you 're dealing with uh , a taxonomy , then you can have branches that  that have alternative , uh , choices that you could use for each  each of them. And it just ends up looking like a graphical representation.

Is  is  Is ATLAS the  his annotated transcription graph stuff ? I don't remember the acronym. The  the one  the  what I think you 're referring to , they  they have this concept of an an annotated transcription graph representation.


Well , you know , at this point I think  Uh , well Adam 's read more  in more detail than I have on this. I need to acquaint myself more with it. But , um , there  there is a way of viewing  Uh , whenever you have coding categories , um , and you 're dealing with uh , a taxonomy , then you can have branches that  that have alternative , uh , choices that you could use for each  each of them. And it just ends up looking like a graphical representation.

Is  is  Is ATLAS the  his annotated transcription graph stuff ? I don't remember the acronym. The  the one  the  what I think you 're referring to , they  they have this concept of an an annotated transcription graph representation.


Is  is  Is ATLAS the  his annotated transcription graph stuff ? I don't remember the acronym. The  the one  the  what I think you 're referring to , they  they have this concept of an an annotated transcription graph representation.

And that 's basically what I based the format that I did  I based it on their work almost directly , in combination with the TEI stuff. And so it 's very , very similar. And so it 's  it 's a data representation and a set of tools for manipulating transcription graphs of various types.


And that 's basically what I based the format that I did  I based it on their work almost directly , in combination with the TEI stuff. And so it 's very , very similar. And so it 's  it 's a data representation and a set of tools for manipulating transcription graphs of various types.

Is this the project that 's sort of , uh , between , uh , NIST and  and , uh , a couple of other places ?


Is this the project that 's sort of , uh , between , uh , NIST and  and , uh , a couple of other places ?


Mm - hmm. Then there 's their web site that has lots of papers. And I looked through them and they mainly had to do with this , um , this , uh , tree structure , uh , annotated tree diagram thing.


Mm - hmm. Then there 's their web site that has lots of papers. And I looked through them and they mainly had to do with this , um , this , uh , tree structure , uh , annotated tree diagram thing.

So , um , um  and , you know , in terms of like the conventions that I 'm a that I 've adopted , it  there  there 's no conflict at all.


So , um , um  and , you know , in terms of like the conventions that I 'm a that I 've adopted , it  there  there 's no conflict at all.

And he was , you know , very interested. And , " oh , and how 'd you handle this ? " And I said , " well , you know , this way " and  And  and we had a really nice conversation. Um , OK , now I also wanted to say in a different  a different direction is , Brian Kingsbury. So , um , I corresponded briefly with him. I , uh , c I  He still has an account here. I told him he could SSH on and use multi - trans , and have a look at the already done , uh , transcription. And he  and he did. And what he said was that , um , what they 'll be providing is  will not be as fine grained in terms of the time information. And , um , that 's , uh  You know , I need to get back to him and  and , uh , you know , explore that a little bit more and see what they 'll be giving us in specific ,


And he was , you know , very interested. And , " oh , and how 'd you handle this ? " And I said , " well , you know , this way " and  And  and we had a really nice conversation. Um , OK , now I also wanted to say in a different  a different direction is , Brian Kingsbury. So , um , I corresponded briefly with him. I , uh , c I  He still has an account here. I told him he could SSH on and use multi - trans , and have a look at the already done , uh , transcription. And he  and he did. And what he said was that , um , what they 'll be providing is  will not be as fine grained in terms of the time information. And , um , that 's , uh  You know , I need to get back to him and  and , uh , you know , explore that a little bit more and see what they 'll be giving us in specific ,


The  the folks that they 're , uh , subcontracting out the transcription to , are they like court reporters


The  the folks that they 're , uh , subcontracting out the transcription to , are they like court reporters

Apparently  Well , I get the sense they 're kind of like that. Like it 's like a pool of  of somewhat uh , secretarial  I don't think that they 're court reporters. I don't think they have the special keyboards and that  and that type of training.


Apparently  Well , I get the sense they 're kind of like that. Like it 's like a pool of  of somewhat uh , secretarial  I don't think that they 're court reporters. I don't think they have the special keyboards and that  and that type of training.


Apparently  Well , I get the sense they 're kind of like that. Like it 's like a pool of  of somewhat uh , secretarial  I don't think that they 're court reporters. I don't think they have the special keyboards and that  and that type of training.

I  I get the sense they 're more secretarial. And that , um , uh , what they 're doing is giving them


Apparently  Well , I get the sense they 're kind of like that. Like it 's like a pool of  of somewhat uh , secretarial  I don't think that they 're court reporters. I don't think they have the special keyboards and that  and that type of training.

I  I get the sense they 're more secretarial. And that , um , uh , what they 're doing is giving them

Hmm. Like medical transcriptionist type people


I  I get the sense they 're more secretarial. And that , um , uh , what they 're doing is giving them

Hmm. Like medical transcriptionist type people

Nu - it 's mostly  it 's for their speech recognition products ,


Hmm. Like medical transcriptionist type people

Nu - it 's mostly  it 's for their speech recognition products ,


Nu - it 's mostly  it 's for their speech recognition products ,


Oh , so they 're hiring them , they 're coming. It 's not a service they send the tapes out to.


Oh , so they 're hiring them , they 're coming. It 's not a service they send the tapes out to.

Well they  they do send it out but my understanding is that that 's all this company does is transcriptions for IBM for their speech product.


Oh , so they 're hiring them , they 're coming. It 's not a service they send the tapes out to.

Well they  they do send it out but my understanding is that that 's all this company does is transcriptions for IBM for their speech product.

So most of it 's ViaVoice , people reading their training material for that.


Well they  they do send it out but my understanding is that that 's all this company does is transcriptions for IBM for their speech product.

So most of it 's ViaVoice , people reading their training material for that.


So most of it 's ViaVoice , people reading their training material for that.


Up to now it 's been monologues , uh , as far my understood.


Brian himself downloaded  So  So , um , Adam sent them a CD and Brian himself downloaded  uh , cuz , you know , I mean , we wanted to have it so that they were in familiar f terms with what they wanted to do. He downloaded  from the CD onto audio tapes. And apparently he did it one channel per audio tape. So each of these people is  transcribing from one channel.


Brian himself downloaded  So  So , um , Adam sent them a CD and Brian himself downloaded  uh , cuz , you know , I mean , we wanted to have it so that they were in familiar f terms with what they wanted to do. He downloaded  from the CD onto audio tapes. And apparently he did it one channel per audio tape. So each of these people is  transcribing from one channel.

And then what he 's going to do is check it , a before they go be beyond the first one. Check it and , you know , adjust it , and all that.


And then what he 's going to do is check it , a before they go be beyond the first one. Check it and , you know , adjust it , and all that.

So each person gets one of these channels


And then what he 's going to do is check it , a before they go be beyond the first one. Check it and , you know , adjust it , and all that.

So each person gets one of these channels

So if they hear something off in the distance they don't  they just go


So each person gets one of these channels

So if they hear something off in the distance they don't  they just go


So if they hear something off in the distance they don't  they just go


So if they hear something off in the distance they don't  they just go

Well , but that 's OK , because , you know , you 'll do all them and then combine them.


Well , but that 's OK , because , you know , you 'll do all them and then combine them.

But there could be problems , right ? with that.


But there could be problems , right ? with that.

I think it would be difficult to do it that way. I really


I think it would be difficult to do it that way. I really


I think it would be difficult to do it that way. I really

Well if you 're tran if you got that channel right there


Well if you 're tran if you got that channel right there


Well if you 're tran if you got that channel right there

No , no. We 're talking about close talking , not the  not the desktop.


No , no. We 're talking about close talking , not the  not the desktop.


I sure hope so. It 'd be really foolish to do otherwise.


I sure hope so. It 'd be really foolish to do otherwise.

Yeah , I  I would think that it would be kind of hard to come out with  Yeah.


I sure hope so. It 'd be really foolish to do otherwise.

Yeah , I  I would think that it would be kind of hard to come out with  Yeah.

I  I think it 's sort of hard just playing the  you know , just having played the individual files. And I  I mean , I know you. I know what your voice sounds like. I 'm sort of familiar with


Yeah , I  I would think that it would be kind of hard to come out with  Yeah.

I  I think it 's sort of hard just playing the  you know , just having played the individual files. And I  I mean , I know you. I know what your voice sounds like. I 'm sort of familiar with

Uh , it 's pretty hard to follow , especially


I  I think it 's sort of hard just playing the  you know , just having played the individual files. And I  I mean , I know you. I know what your voice sounds like. I 'm sort of familiar with

Uh , it 's pretty hard to follow , especially


Uh , it 's pretty hard to follow , especially

there are a lot of words that are so reduced phonetically that make sense when you know what the person was saying before.


there are a lot of words that are so reduced phonetically that make sense when you know what the person was saying before.


Uh , it sort of depends where you are in


Uh , it sort of depends where you are in

But I mean we had this  we 've had this discussion many times.


But I mean we had this  we 've had this discussion many times.


But I mean we had this  we 've had this discussion many times.

And the answer is we don't actually know the answer because we haven't tried both ways.


But I mean we had this  we 've had this discussion many times.

And the answer is we don't actually know the answer because we haven't tried both ways.

Well , except I can say that my transcribers use the mixed signal mostly


And the answer is we don't actually know the answer because we haven't tried both ways.

Well , except I can say that my transcribers use the mixed signal mostly


Well , except I can say that my transcribers use the mixed signal mostly


unless there 's a huge disparity in terms of the volume on  on the mix. In which case , you know , they  they wouldn't be able to catch anything except the prominent  channel ,


Well I think that  that might change if you wanted really fine time markings.


Well I think that  that might change if you wanted really fine time markings.

But they 're not giving f really fine time markings.


But they 're not giving f really fine time markings.


But they 're not giving f really fine time markings.

Actually , are th so  are they giving any time markings ?


Actually , are th so  are they giving any time markings ?


And that 's  that 's my email to him. That needs to be forthcoming.


And that 's  that 's my email to him. That needs to be forthcoming.

But  but the , uh  I did want to say that it 's hard to follow one channel of a conversation even if you know the people , and if you 're dealing furthermore with highly abstract network concepts you 've never heard of  So , you know , one of these people was  was transcribing the , uh , networks group talk and she said , " I don't really know what a lot of these abbreviations are , " " but I just put them in parentheses cuz that 's the  that 's the convention and I just "  Cuz you know , if you don't know


And that 's  that 's my email to him. That needs to be forthcoming.

But  but the , uh  I did want to say that it 's hard to follow one channel of a conversation even if you know the people , and if you 're dealing furthermore with highly abstract network concepts you 've never heard of  So , you know , one of these people was  was transcribing the , uh , networks group talk and she said , " I don't really know what a lot of these abbreviations are , " " but I just put them in parentheses cuz that 's the  that 's the convention and I just "  Cuz you know , if you don't know

Oh , I 'd be curious to  to look at that.


But  but the , uh  I did want to say that it 's hard to follow one channel of a conversation even if you know the people , and if you 're dealing furthermore with highly abstract network concepts you 've never heard of  So , you know , one of these people was  was transcribing the , uh , networks group talk and she said , " I don't really know what a lot of these abbreviations are , " " but I just put them in parentheses cuz that 's the  that 's the convention and I just "  Cuz you know , if you don't know

Oh , I 'd be curious to  to look at that.


Oh , I 'd be curious to  to look at that.


Given all of the effort that is going on here in transcribing why do we have I B M doing it ? Why not just do it all ourselves ?


Given all of the effort that is going on here in transcribing why do we have I B M doing it ? Why not just do it all ourselves ?

Um , it 's historical. I mean , uh , some point ago we thought that uh , it  " boy , we 'd really have to ramp up to do that " ,


Um , it 's historical. I mean , uh , some point ago we thought that uh , it  " boy , we 'd really have to ramp up to do that " ,

you know , like we just did , and , um , here 's , uh , a  a , uh , collaborating institution that 's volunteered to do it.


you know , like we just did , and , um , here 's , uh , a  a , uh , collaborating institution that 's volunteered to do it.


you know , like we just did , and , um , here 's , uh , a  a , uh , collaborating institution that 's volunteered to do it.

So , that was a contribution they could make. Uh in terms of time , money , you know ?


So , that was a contribution they could make. Uh in terms of time , money , you know ?


Actu yeah , Mar - Mari asked me the same question as sort of


Actu yeah , Mar - Mari asked me the same question as sort of

Well , I 'm  I 'm wondering now if it 's


Actu yeah , Mar - Mari asked me the same question as sort of

Well , I 'm  I 'm wondering now if it 's

Well we can talk about more details later.


Well , I 'm  I 'm wondering now if it 's

Well we can talk about more details later.


Well we can talk about more details later.


We 'll see. I mean , I think , th you know , they  they  they 've proceeded along a bit. Let 's see what comes out of it , and  and , uh , you know , have some more discussions with them.


We 'll see. I mean , I think , th you know , they  they  they 've proceeded along a bit. Let 's see what comes out of it , and  and , uh , you know , have some more discussions with them.

Mm - hmm. It 's very  a real benefit having Brian involved because of his knowledge of what the  how the data need to be used and so what 's useful to have in the format.


Mm - hmm. It 's very  a real benefit having Brian involved because of his knowledge of what the  how the data need to be used and so what 's useful to have in the format.

So , um , Liz , with  with the SRI recognizer ,  can it make use of some time marks ?


So , um , Liz , with  with the SRI recognizer ,  can it make use of some time marks ?


So , um , Liz , with  with the SRI recognizer ,  can it make use of some time marks ?

I  I guess I don't know what that means.


So , um , Liz , with  with the SRI recognizer ,  can it make use of some time marks ?

I  I guess I don't know what that means.

and actually I should say this is what Don has b uh , he 's already been really helpful in , uh , chopping up these  So  so first of all you  um , I mean , for the SRI front - end , we really need to chop things up into pieces that are f not too huge. Um , but second of all , uh  in general because some of these channels , I 'd say , like , I don't know , at least half of them probably  on average are g are ha are  have a lot of cross - ta sorry , some of the segments have a lot of cross - talk. Um , it 's good to get sort of short segments if you 're gonna do recognition , especially forced alignment. So , uh , Don has been taking a first stab actually using Jane 's first  the fir the meeting that Jane transcribed which we did have some problems with , and Thilo , uh , I think told me why this was , but that people were switching microphones around  in the very beginning , so  the SRI re


I  I guess I don't know what that means.

and actually I should say this is what Don has b uh , he 's already been really helpful in , uh , chopping up these  So  so first of all you  um , I mean , for the SRI front - end , we really need to chop things up into pieces that are f not too huge. Um , but second of all , uh  in general because some of these channels , I 'd say , like , I don't know , at least half of them probably  on average are g are ha are  have a lot of cross - ta sorry , some of the segments have a lot of cross - talk. Um , it 's good to get sort of short segments if you 're gonna do recognition , especially forced alignment. So , uh , Don has been taking a first stab actually using Jane 's first  the fir the meeting that Jane transcribed which we did have some problems with , and Thilo , uh , I think told me why this was , but that people were switching microphones around  in the very beginning , so  the SRI re

No , th Yeah. No. They  they were not switching them but what they were  they were adjusting them ,


and actually I should say this is what Don has b uh , he 's already been really helpful in , uh , chopping up these  So  so first of all you  um , I mean , for the SRI front - end , we really need to chop things up into pieces that are f not too huge. Um , but second of all , uh  in general because some of these channels , I 'd say , like , I don't know , at least half of them probably  on average are g are ha are  have a lot of cross - ta sorry , some of the segments have a lot of cross - talk. Um , it 's good to get sort of short segments if you 're gonna do recognition , especially forced alignment. So , uh , Don has been taking a first stab actually using Jane 's first  the fir the meeting that Jane transcribed which we did have some problems with , and Thilo , uh , I think told me why this was , but that people were switching microphones around  in the very beginning , so  the SRI re

No , th Yeah. No. They  they were not switching them but what they were  they were adjusting them ,


No , th Yeah. No. They  they were not switching them but what they were  they were adjusting them ,


And aft after a minute or so it 's  it 's way better.


And aft after a minute or so it 's  it 's way better.

So we have to sort of normalize  the front - end and so forth , and have these small segments.


And aft after a minute or so it 's  it 's way better.

So we have to sort of normalize  the front - end and so forth , and have these small segments.

So we 've taken that and chopped it into pieces based always on your  your , um , cuts that you made on the mixed signal. And so that every  every speaker has the same cuts. And if they have speech in it we run it through. And if they don't have speech in it we don't run it through. And we base that knowledge on the transcription.


So we have to sort of normalize  the front - end and so forth , and have these small segments.

So we 've taken that and chopped it into pieces based always on your  your , um , cuts that you made on the mixed signal. And so that every  every speaker has the same cuts. And if they have speech in it we run it through. And if they don't have speech in it we don't run it through. And we base that knowledge on the transcription.


So we 've taken that and chopped it into pieces based always on your  your , um , cuts that you made on the mixed signal. And so that every  every speaker has the same cuts. And if they have speech in it we run it through. And if they don't have speech in it we don't run it through. And we base that knowledge on the transcription.

Um , the problem is if we have no time marks , then for forced alignment we actually don't know where  you know , in the signal the transcriber heard that word. And so


Um , the problem is if we have no time marks , then for forced alignment we actually don't know where  you know , in the signal the transcriber heard that word. And so

I mean , if  if it 's a whole conversation and we get a long , uh , you know , par paragraph of  of talk ,


I mean , if  if it 's a whole conversation and we get a long , uh , you know , par paragraph of  of talk ,

uh , I don't know how they do this. Um , we actually don't know which piece goes where.


uh , I don't know how they do this. Um , we actually don't know which piece goes where.


uh , I don't know how they do this. Um , we actually don't know which piece goes where.

Well you would need to  like a forced alignment before you did the chopping , right ?


Well you would need to  like a forced alignment before you did the chopping , right ?

No , we used the fact that  So when Jane transcribes them the way she has transcribers doing this , whether it 's with the pre - segmentation or not ,


Well you would need to  like a forced alignment before you did the chopping , right ?

No , we used the fact that  So when Jane transcribes them the way she has transcribers doing this , whether it 's with the pre - segmentation or not ,

they have a chunk and then they transcribes  the words in the chunk. And maybe they choose the chunk or now they use a pre - segmentation and then correct it if necessary. But there 's first a chunk and then a transcription.


No , we used the fact that  So when Jane transcribes them the way she has transcribers doing this , whether it 's with the pre - segmentation or not ,

they have a chunk and then they transcribes  the words in the chunk. And maybe they choose the chunk or now they use a pre - segmentation and then correct it if necessary. But there 's first a chunk and then a transcription.


they have a chunk and then they transcribes  the words in the chunk. And maybe they choose the chunk or now they use a pre - segmentation and then correct it if necessary. But there 's first a chunk and then a transcription.

Then a chunk , then a transcription. That 's great , cuz the recognizer can


they have a chunk and then they transcribes  the words in the chunk. And maybe they choose the chunk or now they use a pre - segmentation and then correct it if necessary. But there 's first a chunk and then a transcription.

Then a chunk , then a transcription. That 's great , cuz the recognizer can

Uh , it 's all pretty good sized for the recognizer also.


Then a chunk , then a transcription. That 's great , cuz the recognizer can

Uh , it 's all pretty good sized for the recognizer also.

Right , and it  it helps that it 's made based on sort of heuristics and human ear I think.


Uh , it 's all pretty good sized for the recognizer also.

Right , and it  it helps that it 's made based on sort of heuristics and human ear I think.

Th - but there 's going to be a real problem , uh , even if we chop up based on speech silence these , uh , the transcripts from I B M , we don't actually know where the words were , which segment they belonged to.


Right , and it  it helps that it 's made based on sort of heuristics and human ear I think.

Th - but there 's going to be a real problem , uh , even if we chop up based on speech silence these , uh , the transcripts from I B M , we don't actually know where the words were , which segment they belonged to.


Th - but there 's going to be a real problem , uh , even if we chop up based on speech silence these , uh , the transcripts from I B M , we don't actually know where the words were , which segment they belonged to.

So that 's sort of what I 'm  worried about right now.


So that 's sort of what I 'm  worried about right now.

That 's what she 's saying , is that you can't.


So that 's sort of what I 'm  worried about right now.

That 's what she 's saying , is that you can't.

If you do a forced alignment on something really


That 's what she 's saying , is that you can't.

If you do a forced alignment on something really


That 's what she 's saying , is that you can't.

If you do a forced alignment on something really

well even if you do it on something really long you need to know  you can always chop it up but you need to have a reference of which words went with which , uh , chop.


If you do a forced alignment on something really

well even if you do it on something really long you need to know  you can always chop it up but you need to have a reference of which words went with which , uh , chop.

Now wasn't  I thought that one of the proposals was that IBM was going to do an initial forced alignment ,


well even if you do it on something really long you need to know  you can always chop it up but you need to have a reference of which words went with which , uh , chop.

Now wasn't  I thought that one of the proposals was that IBM was going to do an initial forced alignment ,


Now wasn't  I thought that one of the proposals was that IBM was going to do an initial forced alignment ,


um , yeah , I 'm sure they will and so we  we have to have a dialogue with them about it.


um , yeah , I 'm sure they will and so we  we have to have a dialogue with them about it.

I mean , it sounds like Liz has some concerns


um , yeah , I 'm sure they will and so we  we have to have a dialogue with them about it.

I mean , it sounds like Liz has some concerns

Maybe they have some  you know , maybe actually there is some , even if they 're not fine grained , maybe the transcribers


I mean , it sounds like Liz has some concerns

Maybe they have some  you know , maybe actually there is some , even if they 're not fine grained , maybe the transcribers


I mean , it sounds like Liz has some concerns

Maybe they have some  you know , maybe actually there is some , even if they 're not fine grained , maybe the transcribers

uh , I don't know , maybe it 's saved out in pieces or  or something. That would help.


Maybe they have some  you know , maybe actually there is some , even if they 're not fine grained , maybe the transcribers

uh , I don't know , maybe it 's saved out in pieces or  or something. That would help.


uh , I don't know , maybe it 's saved out in pieces or  or something. That would help.

But , uh , it 's just an unknown right now.


But , uh , it 's just an unknown right now.


But , uh , it 's just an unknown right now.

I just  you know , it 's like I got over - taxed with the timing.


I just  you know , it 's like I got over - taxed with the timing.

Right. But the  it is true that the segments  I haven't tried the segments that Thilo gave you but the segments that in your first meeting are great.


I just  you know , it 's like I got over - taxed with the timing.

Right. But the  it is true that the segments  I haven't tried the segments that Thilo gave you but the segments that in your first meeting are great.

I mean , that 's  that 's a good length.


Right. But the  it is true that the segments  I haven't tried the segments that Thilo gave you but the segments that in your first meeting are great.

I mean , that 's  that 's a good length.


I mean , that 's  that 's a good length.


I mean , that 's  that 's a good length.

Well , I  I was thinking it would be fun to  to  uh , uh , if  if you  wouldn't mind ,   to give us a pre - segmentation.


Well , I  I was thinking it would be fun to  to  uh , uh , if  if you  wouldn't mind ,   to give us a pre - segmentation.


Well , I  I was thinking it would be fun to  to  uh , uh , if  if you  wouldn't mind ,   to give us a pre - segmentation.

Uh , maybe you have one already of that first m of the meeting that uh , the first transcribed meeting , the one that I transcribed.


Uh , maybe you have one already of that first m of the meeting that uh , the first transcribed meeting , the one that I transcribed.


Uh , maybe you have one already of that first m of the meeting that uh , the first transcribed meeting , the one that I transcribed.

Do you have a  could you generate a pre - segmentation ?


Do you have a  could you generate a pre - segmentation ?

but  but that 's the one where we 're , um , trai training on , so that 's a little bit


but  but that 's the one where we 're , um , trai training on , so that 's a little bit


Oh , darn. Of course , of course , of course. Yeah , OK.


Oh , darn. Of course , of course , of course. Yeah , OK.

And actually as you get transcripts just , um , for new meetings ,  um , we can try


And actually as you get transcripts just , um , for new meetings ,  um , we can try

I mean , the  the more data we have to try the  the alignments on , um , the better. So it 'd be good for  just to know as transcriptions are coming through the pipeline from the transcribers , just to sort of  we 're playing around with sort of uh , parameters f on the recognizer ,


I mean , the  the more data we have to try the  the alignments on , um , the better. So it 'd be good for  just to know as transcriptions are coming through the pipeline from the transcribers , just to sort of  we 're playing around with sort of uh , parameters f on the recognizer ,

cuz that would be helpful. Especially as you get , en more voices.


cuz that would be helpful. Especially as you get , en more voices.

The first meeting had I think just four people ,


The first meeting had I think just four people ,


Yeah , Liz and I spoke d w at some length on Tuesday and  and I  and I was planning to do just a  a preliminary look over of the two that are finished and then give them to you.


That 's great. I guess the other thing , I  I can't remember if we discussed this in the meeting but , uh , I know you and I talked about this a little bit , there was an issue of , uh , suppose we get in the , uh , I guess it 's enviable position although maybe it 's just saying where the weak link is in the chain , uh , where we  we , uh  uh , we have all the data transcribed and we have these transcribers and we were  we 're  the  we 're still a bit slow on feeding  at that point we 've caught up and the  the  the , uh , the weak link is  is recording meetings. OK , um , two questions come , is you know what  how  how do we  uh , it 's not really a problem at the moment cuz we haven't reached that point but how do we step out the recorded meetings ? And the other one is , um , uh , is there some good use that we can make of the transcribers to do other things ? So , um , I  I can't remember how much we talked about this in this meeting but there was


That 's great. I guess the other thing , I  I can't remember if we discussed this in the meeting but , uh , I know you and I talked about this a little bit , there was an issue of , uh , suppose we get in the , uh , I guess it 's enviable position although maybe it 's just saying where the weak link is in the chain , uh , where we  we , uh  uh , we have all the data transcribed and we have these transcribers and we were  we 're  the  we 're still a bit slow on feeding  at that point we 've caught up and the  the  the , uh , the weak link is  is recording meetings. OK , um , two questions come , is you know what  how  how do we  uh , it 's not really a problem at the moment cuz we haven't reached that point but how do we step out the recorded meetings ? And the other one is , um , uh , is there some good use that we can make of the transcribers to do other things ? So , um , I  I can't remember how much we talked about this in this meeting but there was

And there is one use that  that also we discussed which was when , uh , Dave finishes the  and maybe it 's already finished  the  the modification to multi - trans which will allow fine grained encoding of overlaps. Uh , then it would be very  these people would be very good to shift over to finer grain encoding of overlaps. It 's just a matter of , you know , providing  So if right now you have two overlapping segments in the same time bin , well with  with the improvement in the database  in  in the , uh , sorry , in the interface , it 'd be possible to , um , you know , just do a click and drag thing , and get the  uh , the specific place of each of those , the time tag associated with the beginning and end of  of each segment.


That 's great. I guess the other thing , I  I can't remember if we discussed this in the meeting but , uh , I know you and I talked about this a little bit , there was an issue of , uh , suppose we get in the , uh , I guess it 's enviable position although maybe it 's just saying where the weak link is in the chain , uh , where we  we , uh  uh , we have all the data transcribed and we have these transcribers and we were  we 're  the  we 're still a bit slow on feeding  at that point we 've caught up and the  the  the , uh , the weak link is  is recording meetings. OK , um , two questions come , is you know what  how  how do we  uh , it 's not really a problem at the moment cuz we haven't reached that point but how do we step out the recorded meetings ? And the other one is , um , uh , is there some good use that we can make of the transcribers to do other things ? So , um , I  I can't remember how much we talked about this in this meeting but there was

And there is one use that  that also we discussed which was when , uh , Dave finishes the  and maybe it 's already finished  the  the modification to multi - trans which will allow fine grained encoding of overlaps. Uh , then it would be very  these people would be very good to shift over to finer grain encoding of overlaps. It 's just a matter of , you know , providing  So if right now you have two overlapping segments in the same time bin , well with  with the improvement in the database  in  in the , uh , sorry , in the interface , it 'd be possible to , um , you know , just do a click and drag thing , and get the  uh , the specific place of each of those , the time tag associated with the beginning and end of  of each segment.

Right , so I think we talking about three level  three things.


And there is one use that  that also we discussed which was when , uh , Dave finishes the  and maybe it 's already finished  the  the modification to multi - trans which will allow fine grained encoding of overlaps. Uh , then it would be very  these people would be very good to shift over to finer grain encoding of overlaps. It 's just a matter of , you know , providing  So if right now you have two overlapping segments in the same time bin , well with  with the improvement in the database  in  in the , uh , sorry , in the interface , it 'd be possible to , um , you know , just do a click and drag thing , and get the  uh , the specific place of each of those , the time tag associated with the beginning and end of  of each segment.

Right , so I think we talking about three level  three things.


And there is one use that  that also we discussed which was when , uh , Dave finishes the  and maybe it 's already finished  the  the modification to multi - trans which will allow fine grained encoding of overlaps. Uh , then it would be very  these people would be very good to shift over to finer grain encoding of overlaps. It 's just a matter of , you know , providing  So if right now you have two overlapping segments in the same time bin , well with  with the improvement in the database  in  in the , uh , sorry , in the interface , it 'd be possible to , um , you know , just do a click and drag thing , and get the  uh , the specific place of each of those , the time tag associated with the beginning and end of  of each segment.

Right , so I think we talking about three level  three things.

One  one was uh , we had s had some discussion in the past about some very high level labelings ,


Right , so I think we talking about three level  three things.

One  one was uh , we had s had some discussion in the past about some very high level labelings ,


One  one was uh , we had s had some discussion in the past about some very high level labelings ,

types of overlaps , and so forth that  that someone could do. Second was , uh , somewhat lower level


types of overlaps , and so forth that  that someone could do. Second was , uh , somewhat lower level

just doing these more precise timings. And the third one is  is , uh , just a completely wild hair brained idea that I have which is that , um , if , uh  if we have time and people are able to do it , to take some subset of the data and do some very fine grained analysis of the speech. For instance , uh , marking in some overlapping  potentially overlapping fashion , uh , the value of , uh , ar articulatory features.


just doing these more precise timings. And the third one is  is , uh , just a completely wild hair brained idea that I have which is that , um , if , uh  if we have time and people are able to do it , to take some subset of the data and do some very fine grained analysis of the speech. For instance , uh , marking in some overlapping  potentially overlapping fashion , uh , the value of , uh , ar articulatory features.

You know , just sort of say , OK , it 's voiced from here to here , there 's  it 's nasal from here to here , and so forth. Um , as opposed to doing phonetic  uh , you know , phonemic and the phonetic analysis ,


just doing these more precise timings. And the third one is  is , uh , just a completely wild hair brained idea that I have which is that , um , if , uh  if we have time and people are able to do it , to take some subset of the data and do some very fine grained analysis of the speech. For instance , uh , marking in some overlapping  potentially overlapping fashion , uh , the value of , uh , ar articulatory features.

You know , just sort of say , OK , it 's voiced from here to here , there 's  it 's nasal from here to here , and so forth. Um , as opposed to doing phonetic  uh , you know , phonemic and the phonetic analysis ,

and , uh , assuming , uh , articulatory feature values for those  those things. Um , obviously that 's extremely time - consuming. Uh


You know , just sort of say , OK , it 's voiced from here to here , there 's  it 's nasal from here to here , and so forth. Um , as opposed to doing phonetic  uh , you know , phonemic and the phonetic analysis ,

and , uh , assuming , uh , articulatory feature values for those  those things. Um , obviously that 's extremely time - consuming. Uh


You know , just sort of say , OK , it 's voiced from here to here , there 's  it 's nasal from here to here , and so forth. Um , as opposed to doing phonetic  uh , you know , phonemic and the phonetic analysis ,

and , uh , assuming , uh , articulatory feature values for those  those things. Um , obviously that 's extremely time - consuming. Uh

but , uh , we could do it on some small subset.


and , uh , assuming , uh , articulatory feature values for those  those things. Um , obviously that 's extremely time - consuming. Uh

but , uh , we could do it on some small subset.

Also if you 're dealing with consonants that would be easier than vowels , wouldn't it ? I mean , I would think that  that , uh , being able to code that there 's a  a fricative extending from here to here would be a lot easier than classifying precisely which vowel that was.


but , uh , we could do it on some small subset.

Also if you 're dealing with consonants that would be easier than vowels , wouldn't it ? I mean , I would think that  that , uh , being able to code that there 's a  a fricative extending from here to here would be a lot easier than classifying precisely which vowel that was.


Also if you 're dealing with consonants that would be easier than vowels , wouldn't it ? I mean , I would think that  that , uh , being able to code that there 's a  a fricative extending from here to here would be a lot easier than classifying precisely which vowel that was.


I think vowels  vowels are I think harder.


I think vowels  vowels are I think harder.

but I think also it 's just the issue that  that when you look at the  u w u u when you look at Switchboard for instance very close up there are places where whether it 's a consonant or a vowel you still have trouble calling it a particular phone


but I think also it 's just the issue that  that when you look at the  u w u u when you look at Switchboard for instance very close up there are places where whether it 's a consonant or a vowel you still have trouble calling it a particular phone


because it 's  you know , there 's this movement from here to here


because it 's  you know , there 's this movement from here to here

Yeah , I 'm sure. Uh , yeah , I  I know.


Yeah , I 'm sure. Uh , yeah , I  I know.

You 're saying r sort of remove the high level constraints and go bottom - up.


You 're saying r sort of remove the high level constraints and go bottom - up.


Now I 'm suggesting articulatory features. Maybe there 's  there 's even a better way to do it but it  but  but that 's , you know , sort of a traditional way of describing these things ,


Now I 'm suggesting articulatory features. Maybe there 's  there 's even a better way to do it but it  but  but that 's , you know , sort of a traditional way of describing these things ,

um , and  uh , I mean , actually this might be a g neat thing to talk to


um , and  uh , I mean , actually this might be a g neat thing to talk to

Acoustic features versus psychological categories.


Acoustic features versus psychological categories.


some sort of categories but  but something that allows for overlapping change of these things and then this would give some more ground work for people who were building statistical models that allowed for overlapping changes , different timing changes as opposed to just " click , you 're now in this state , which corresponds to this speech sound " and so on.


I mean , actually if we get into that it might be good to , uh , uh , haul John Ohala into this


But is  is the goal there to have this on meeting data ,


But is  is the goal there to have this on meeting data ,

like so that you can do far field studies  of those gestures or  um , or is it because you think there 's a different kind of actual production in meetings  that people use ? Or  ?


But is  is the goal there to have this on meeting data ,

like so that you can do far field studies  of those gestures or  um , or is it because you think there 's a different kind of actual production in meetings  that people use ? Or  ?

No , I think  I think it 's  for  for  for that purpose I 'm just viewing meetings as being a  a neat way to get people talking naturally. And then you have i and then  and then it 's natural in all senses ,


like so that you can do far field studies  of those gestures or  um , or is it because you think there 's a different kind of actual production in meetings  that people use ? Or  ?

No , I think  I think it 's  for  for  for that purpose I 'm just viewing meetings as being a  a neat way to get people talking naturally. And then you have i and then  and then it 's natural in all senses ,


No , I think  I think it 's  for  for  for that purpose I 'm just viewing meetings as being a  a neat way to get people talking naturally. And then you have i and then  and then it 's natural in all senses ,

in the sense that you have microphones that are at a distance that you know , one might have , and you have the close mikes , and you have people talking naturally. And the overlap is just indicative of the fact that people are talking naturally ,


in the sense that you have microphones that are at a distance that you know , one might have , and you have the close mikes , and you have people talking naturally. And the overlap is just indicative of the fact that people are talking naturally ,


right ? So  so I think that given that it 's that kind of corpus ,


right ? So  so I think that given that it 's that kind of corpus ,

if it 's gonna be a very useful corpus um , if you say w OK , we 've limited the use by some of our , uh , uh , censored choices , we don't have the video , we don't  and so forth , but there 's a lot of use that we could make of it by expanding the annotation choices.


if it 's gonna be a very useful corpus um , if you say w OK , we 've limited the use by some of our , uh , uh , censored choices , we don't have the video , we don't  and so forth , but there 's a lot of use that we could make of it by expanding the annotation choices.

And , uh , most of the things we 've talked about have been fairly high level , and being kind of a bottom - up person I thought maybe we 'd ,  do some of the others.


And , uh , most of the things we 've talked about have been fairly high level , and being kind of a bottom - up person I thought maybe we 'd ,  do some of the others.


That would be really nice to offer those things with that wide range.


That would be really nice to offer those things with that wide range.

Yeah and hopefully someone would make use of it.


Yeah and hopefully someone would make use of it.


uh , I mean , people have made a lot of use of  of TIMIT and , uh w due to its markings , and then  the Switchboard transcription thing , well I think has been very useful for a lot of people.


I guess I wanted to , um , sort of make a pitch for trying to collect more meetings.


I actually I talked to Chuck Fillmore and I think they 've what , vehemently said no before but this time he wasn't vehement and he said you know , " well , Liz , come to the meeting tomorrow


I actually I talked to Chuck Fillmore and I think they 've what , vehemently said no before but this time he wasn't vehement and he said you know , " well , Liz , come to the meeting tomorrow

and try to convince people ". So I 'm gonna  try. Go to their meeting tomorrow and see if we can try , uh , to convince them


and try to convince people ". So I 'm gonna  try. Go to their meeting tomorrow and see if we can try , uh , to convince them

Cuz they have something like three or four different meetings ,


and try to convince people ". So I 'm gonna  try. Go to their meeting tomorrow and see if we can try , uh , to convince them

Cuz they have something like three or four different meetings ,

because they have  And they have very interesting meetings from the point of view of a very different type of  of talk than we have here


Cuz they have something like three or four different meetings ,

because they have  And they have very interesting meetings from the point of view of a very different type of  of talk than we have here


because they have  And they have very interesting meetings from the point of view of a very different type of  of talk than we have here


and definitely than the front end meeting , probably. Um


and definitely than the front end meeting , probably. Um

You mean in terms of the topic  topics ?


and definitely than the front end meeting , probably. Um

You mean in terms of the topic  topics ?

Well , yes and in terms of the  the fact that they 're describing abstract things and , uh , just dialogue - wise ,


You mean in terms of the topic  topics ?

Well , yes and in terms of the  the fact that they 're describing abstract things and , uh , just dialogue - wise ,


Well , yes and in terms of the  the fact that they 're describing abstract things and , uh , just dialogue - wise ,


Um , so I 'll try. And then the other thing is , I don't know if this is at all useful , but I asked Lila if I can maybe go around and talk to the different departments in this building to see if there 's any groups that , for a free lunch ,


Um , so I 'll try. And then the other thing is , I don't know if this is at all useful , but I asked Lila if I can maybe go around and talk to the different departments in this building to see if there 's any groups that , for a free lunch ,

if we can still offer that , might be willing


if we can still offer that , might be willing


The problem is so much of their stuff is confidential.


Also it does seem like it takes us way out of the demographic. I mean , it seems like we  we had this idea before of having like linguistics students brought down for free lunches


Also it does seem like it takes us way out of the demographic. I mean , it seems like we  we had this idea before of having like linguistics students brought down for free lunches

Right , and then we could also  we might try advertising again because I think it 'd be good if  if we can get a few different sort of non - internal types of meetings


Right , and then we could also  we might try advertising again because I think it 'd be good if  if we can get a few different sort of non - internal types of meetings


Does  does John Ohala have weekly phonetics lab meetings ?


Does  does John Ohala have weekly phonetics lab meetings ?

So I actually wrote to him and he answered , " great , that sounds really interesting ". But I never heard back because we didn't actually advertise openly. We a I mean w I told  I d asked him privately. Um , and it is a little bit of a trek for campus  folks.


So I actually wrote to him and he answered , " great , that sounds really interesting ". But I never heard back because we didn't actually advertise openly. We a I mean w I told  I d asked him privately. Um , and it is a little bit of a trek for campus  folks.


But , um , it would be nice if we got someone other than me who knew how to set it up and could do the recording


He - he 's supposed  he 's supposed to be trained  to do it.


He - he 's supposed  he 's supposed to be trained  to do it.

Yeah. Plus we could also get you know , a s a student.


He - he 's supposed  he 's supposed to be trained  to do it.

Yeah. Plus we could also get you know , a s a student.

OK , next week  you 're going to do it all.


Yeah. Plus we could also get you know , a s a student.

OK , next week  you 're going to do it all.

And I 'm willing to try to learn. I mean , I 'm  I would do my best. Um , the other thing is that  there was a number of things at the transcription side that , um , transcribers can do , like dialogue act tagging ,


OK , next week  you 're going to do it all.

And I 'm willing to try to learn. I mean , I 'm  I would do my best. Um , the other thing is that  there was a number of things at the transcription side that , um , transcribers can do , like dialogue act tagging ,


And I 'm willing to try to learn. I mean , I 'm  I would do my best. Um , the other thing is that  there was a number of things at the transcription side that , um , transcribers can do , like dialogue act tagging ,

disfluency tagging , um , things that are in the speech that are actually something we 're y  working on for language modeling. And Mari 's also interested in it , Andreas as well. So if you wanna process a utterance and the first thing they say is , " well " , and that " well " is coded as some kind of interrupt u tag. Uh , and things like that , um , th


And I 'm willing to try to learn. I mean , I 'm  I would do my best. Um , the other thing is that  there was a number of things at the transcription side that , um , transcribers can do , like dialogue act tagging ,

disfluency tagging , um , things that are in the speech that are actually something we 're y  working on for language modeling. And Mari 's also interested in it , Andreas as well. So if you wanna process a utterance and the first thing they say is , " well " , and that " well " is coded as some kind of interrupt u tag. Uh , and things like that , um , th

Of course some of that can be li done lexically.


disfluency tagging , um , things that are in the speech that are actually something we 're y  working on for language modeling. And Mari 's also interested in it , Andreas as well. So if you wanna process a utterance and the first thing they say is , " well " , and that " well " is coded as some kind of interrupt u tag. Uh , and things like that , um , th

Of course some of that can be li done lexically.


disfluency tagging , um , things that are in the speech that are actually something we 're y  working on for language modeling. And Mari 's also interested in it , Andreas as well. So if you wanna process a utterance and the first thing they say is , " well " , and that " well " is coded as some kind of interrupt u tag. Uh , and things like that , um , th

Of course some of that can be li done lexically.

And I also  they are doing disfluency tagging to some degree already.


Of course some of that can be li done lexically.

And I also  they are doing disfluency tagging to some degree already.


And I also  they are doing disfluency tagging to some degree already.


And I also  they are doing disfluency tagging to some degree already.

I think there 's a second pass and I don't really know what would exist in it. But there 's definitely a second pass worth doing to maybe encode some kinds of , you know , is it a question or not ,


I think there 's a second pass and I don't really know what would exist in it. But there 's definitely a second pass worth doing to maybe encode some kinds of , you know , is it a question or not ,


I think there 's a second pass and I don't really know what would exist in it. But there 's definitely a second pass worth doing to maybe encode some kinds of , you know , is it a question or not ,

or  um , that maybe these transcribers could do. So  Yeah.


I think there 's a second pass and I don't really know what would exist in it. But there 's definitely a second pass worth doing to maybe encode some kinds of , you know , is it a question or not ,

or  um , that maybe these transcribers could do. So  Yeah.

They 'd be really good. They 're  they 're very  they 're very consistent.


or  um , that maybe these transcribers could do. So  Yeah.

They 'd be really good. They 're  they 're very  they 're very consistent.


They 'd be really good. They 're  they 're very  they 're very consistent.

Uh , I wanted to  whi while we 're  Uh , so , to return just briefly to this question of more meeting data , um  I have two questions. One of them is , um , Jerry Feldman 's group , they  they , uh , are they  I know that they recorded one meeting. Are they willing ?


Uh , I wanted to  whi while we 're  Uh , so , to return just briefly to this question of more meeting data , um  I have two questions. One of them is , um , Jerry Feldman 's group , they  they , uh , are they  I know that they recorded one meeting. Are they willing ?

I think they 're open to it. I think , you know , all these things are


Uh , I wanted to  whi while we 're  Uh , so , to return just briefly to this question of more meeting data , um  I have two questions. One of them is , um , Jerry Feldman 's group , they  they , uh , are they  I know that they recorded one meeting. Are they willing ?

I think they 're open to it. I think , you know , all these things are

I think there 's  we should go beyond , uh , ICSI but , I mean , there 's a lot of stuff happening at ICSI that we 're not getting now that we could.


I think they 're open to it. I think , you know , all these things are

I think there 's  we should go beyond , uh , ICSI but , I mean , there 's a lot of stuff happening at ICSI that we 're not getting now that we could.


I think there 's  we should go beyond , uh , ICSI but , I mean , there 's a lot of stuff happening at ICSI that we 're not getting now that we could.


OK. I thought that all these people had sort of said " no " twice already.


OK. I thought that all these people had sort of said " no " twice already.

No , no. No. So th there was the thing in Fillmore 's group but even there he hadn't  What he 'd said " no " to was for the main meeting. But they have several smaller meetings a week ,


No , no. No. So th there was the thing in Fillmore 's group but even there he hadn't  What he 'd said " no " to was for the main meeting. But they have several smaller meetings a week ,


No , no. No. So th there was the thing in Fillmore 's group but even there he hadn't  What he 'd said " no " to was for the main meeting. But they have several smaller meetings a week ,

and , uh , the notion was raised before that that could happen. And it just , you know  it just didn't come together


and , uh , the notion was raised before that that could happen. And it just , you know  it just didn't come together

Well , and  and the other thing too is when they originally said " no " they didn't know about this post - editing capability thing.


Well , and  and the other thing too is when they originally said " no " they didn't know about this post - editing capability thing.


Yeah , so I mean there 's possibilities there. I think Jerry 's group , yes.


Yeah , so I mean there 's possibilities there. I think Jerry 's group , yes.

Uh , there 's  there 's , uh , the networks group , uh , I don't  Do they still meeting regularly or  ?


Yeah , so I mean there 's possibilities there. I think Jerry 's group , yes.

Uh , there 's  there 's , uh , the networks group , uh , I don't  Do they still meeting regularly or  ?

Well , I don't know if they meet regularly or not but they are no longer recording.


Uh , there 's  there 's , uh , the networks group , uh , I don't  Do they still meeting regularly or  ?

Well , I don't know if they meet regularly or not but they are no longer recording.

But I mean , ha ha have they said they don't want to anymore or  ?


Well , I don't know if they meet regularly or not but they are no longer recording.

But I mean , ha ha have they said they don't want to anymore or  ?


But I mean , ha ha have they said they don't want to anymore or  ?


When  with him gone , it sorta trickled off.


When  with him gone , it sorta trickled off.

OK , so they 're down to three or four people


OK , so they 're down to three or four people

but the thing is three or four people is OK.


but the thing is three or four people is OK.


but the thing is three or four people is OK.

We might be able to get the administration


but the thing is three or four people is OK.

We might be able to get the administration

Well he was sort of my contact , so I just need to find out who 's running it now.


We might be able to get the administration

Well he was sort of my contact , so I just need to find out who 's running it now.


Well he was sort of my contact , so I just need to find out who 's running it now.

I see that Lila has a luncheon meeting in here periodically.


I see that Lila has a luncheon meeting in here periodically.

Yeah , I mean , it  One thing that would be nice


I see that Lila has a luncheon meeting in here periodically.

Yeah , I mean , it  One thing that would be nice

and this  it sounds bizarre but , I 'd really like to look at  to get some meetings where there 's a little bit of heated discussion , like ar arguments and  or emotion , and things like that. And so I was thinking if there 's any like Berkeley political groups or something. I mean , that 'd be perfect. Some group , " yes , we must  "


Yeah , I mean , it  One thing that would be nice

and this  it sounds bizarre but , I 'd really like to look at  to get some meetings where there 's a little bit of heated discussion , like ar arguments and  or emotion , and things like that. And so I was thinking if there 's any like Berkeley political groups or something. I mean , that 'd be perfect. Some group , " yes , we must  "

Who 's willing to get recorded and distributed ?


and this  it sounds bizarre but , I 'd really like to look at  to get some meetings where there 's a little bit of heated discussion , like ar arguments and  or emotion , and things like that. And so I was thinking if there 's any like Berkeley political groups or something. I mean , that 'd be perfect. Some group , " yes , we must  "

Who 's willing to get recorded and distributed ?


Who 's willing to get recorded and distributed ?

Yeah , I don't think the more political argumentative ones would be willing to


Yeah , I don't think the more political argumentative ones would be willing to


Yeah , I don't think the more political argumentative ones would be willing to

Yeah , with  with  with potential use from the defense department.


Yeah , with  with  with potential use from the defense department.


No , but maybe stu student , uh , groups or , um , film - makers , or som Something a little bit colorful.


Yeah.     Yeah , th there 's a problem there in terms of , uh , the um commercial value of  of st uh ,


Yeah.     Yeah , th there 's a problem there in terms of , uh , the um commercial value of  of st uh ,

Yeah , of course there is this problem though , that if we give them the chance to excise later we e  might end up with like five minutes out of a f   of m one hour


Yeah , of course there is this problem though , that if we give them the chance to excise later we e  might end up with like five minutes out of a f   of m one hour


but just something with some more variation in prosodic contours and so forth would be neat. So if anyone has ideas , I 'm willing to do the leg work to go try to talk to people but I don't really know which groups are worth pursuing.


it  it  it  it turned out to be a bit of a problem.


it  it  it  it turned out to be a bit of a problem.

And I had one other  one other aspect of this which is , um , uh , uh , Jonathan Fiscus expressed primar uh y a major interest in having meetings which were all English speakers. Now he wasn't trying to shape us in terms of what we gather


And I had one other  one other aspect of this which is , um , uh , uh , Jonathan Fiscus expressed primar uh y a major interest in having meetings which were all English speakers. Now he wasn't trying to shape us in terms of what we gather

but that 's what he wanted me to show him. So I 'm giving him our , um  our initial meeting because he asked for all English. And I think we don't have a lot of all English meetings right now.


but that 's what he wanted me to show him. So I 'm giving him our , um  our initial meeting because he asked for all English. And I think we don't have a lot of all English meetings right now.

Did he mean , uh  did he mean and non - British ?


Did he mean , uh  did he mean and non - British ?


Well if he meant and non - British I think we have zero.


Well if he meant and non - British I think we have zero.

He doesn't care. No. Eh , well , British is OK.


He doesn't care. No. Eh , well , British is OK.


Well , I don't  I don't  I don't think  if he didn't say that


Well , I don't  I don't  I don't think  if he didn't say that

Native speaking. Native speaking English.


Well , I don't  I don't  I don't think  if he didn't say that

Native speaking. Native speaking English.

I bet he meant native speaking American.


Native speaking. Native speaking English.

I bet he meant native speaking American.


I bet he meant native speaking American.


I was thinking , knowing the , uh , n National Institute of Standards , it is all


I was thinking , knowing the , uh , n National Institute of Standards , it is all

I remember a study that BBN did where they trained on  this was in Wall Street Journal days or something , they trained on American English and then they tested on , uh , different native speakers from different areas. And , uh , uh , the worst match was people whose native tongue was Mandarin Chinese. The second worst was British English.


I remember a study that BBN did where they trained on  this was in Wall Street Journal days or something , they trained on American English and then they tested on , uh , different native speakers from different areas. And , uh , uh , the worst match was people whose native tongue was Mandarin Chinese. The second worst was British English.


it was Swiss w Yeah , so it 's  so I think , you know , if he 's  if he 's thinking in terms of recognition kind of technology I  I  I think he would probably want , uh  American English ,


it was Swiss w Yeah , so it 's  so I think , you know , if he 's  if he 's thinking in terms of recognition kind of technology I  I  I think he would probably want , uh  American English ,

yeah. It  it  yeah , unless we 're gonna train with a whole bunch of


yeah. It  it  yeah , unless we 're gonna train with a whole bunch of

I think that the  Feldman 's meetings tend to be more that way , aren't they ? I mean , I sort of feel like they have


I think that the  Feldman 's meetings tend to be more that way , aren't they ? I mean , I sort of feel like they have


And maybe there are a few of  with us where it was


And maybe there are a few of  with us where it was

you know , Dan wasn't there and before Jose started coming ,


you know , Dan wasn't there and before Jose started coming ,


It 's pretty tough , uh , this group. Yeah.


It 's pretty tough , uh , this group. Yeah.

So , uh , what about  what about people who involved in some artistic endeavor ?


So , uh , what about  what about people who involved in some artistic endeavor ?


So , uh , what about  what about people who involved in some artistic endeavor ?

I mean , film - making or something like that.


I mean , film - making or something like that.


something where there  there is actually discussion where there 's no right or wrong answer but  but it 's a matter of opinion kind of thing. Uh , anyway , if you  if you have ideas


We can just discu we can just have a political discussion one day.


We can just discu we can just have a political discussion one day.

A any department that calls itself science


A any department that calls itself science


because , uh , you know , we have the set up here


because , uh , you know , we have the set up here

and  and that  that has a chance to give us some very interesting fun data. So if anyone has ideas ,


and  and that  that has a chance to give us some very interesting fun data. So if anyone has ideas ,


and  and that  that has a chance to give us some very interesting fun data. So if anyone has ideas ,

if you know any groups that are m you know ,


if you know any groups that are m you know ,


if you know any groups that are m you know ,

Well I had asked some  some of the students at the business school.


Well I had asked some  some of the students at the business school.

student groups c like clubs , things like that.


student groups c like clubs , things like that.


Put a little ad up saying , " come here and argue ".


Put a little ad up saying , " come here and argue ".

Yeah. " If you 're really angry at someone use our conference room. "


Put a little ad up saying , " come here and argue ".

Yeah. " If you 're really angry at someone use our conference room. "

The Business school. Uh , the business school might be good. I actually spoke with some students up there


Yeah. " If you 're really angry at someone use our conference room. "

The Business school. Uh , the business school might be good. I actually spoke with some students up there

and they  they  they expressed willingness back when they thought they would be doing more stuff with speech.


The Business school. Uh , the business school might be good. I actually spoke with some students up there

and they  they  they expressed willingness back when they thought they would be doing more stuff with speech.


and they  they  they expressed willingness back when they thought they would be doing more stuff with speech.

But when they lost interest in speech they also  stopped answering my email about other stuff , so.


But when they lost interest in speech they also  stopped answering my email about other stuff , so.


I heard that at Cal Tech they have a special room  someone said that they had a special room to get all your frustrations out that you can go to and like throw things and break things.


Well , far field mikes can pick up where they threw stuff on the wall.


Well , far field mikes can pick up where they threw stuff on the wall.

Yeah , but we don't want them to throw the far field mikes is the thing.


Yeah , but we don't want them to throw the far field mikes is the thing.


" Please throw everything in that direction. "


" Please throw everything in that direction. "

It 'd be fun to get like a  a p visit from the


It 'd be fun to get like a  a p visit from the

There was a dorm room at Tech that , uh , someone had coated the walls and the ceiling , and , uh , the floor with mattresses.


There was a dorm room at Tech that , uh , someone had coated the walls and the ceiling , and , uh , the floor with mattresses.

I had as my fourth thing here processing of wave forms.


I had as my fourth thing here processing of wave forms.


I had as my fourth thing here processing of wave forms.

What did we mean by that ? Remember @ @ ?


I had as my fourth thing here processing of wave forms.

What did we mean by that ? Remember @ @ ?

Uh , Liz wanted to talk about methods of improving accuracy by doing pre - processing.


What did we mean by that ? Remember @ @ ?

Uh , Liz wanted to talk about methods of improving accuracy by doing pre - processing.


What did we mean by that ? Remember @ @ ?

Uh , Liz wanted to talk about methods of improving accuracy by doing pre - processing.

Well I think that  that was just sort of  I I already asked Thilo


Uh , Liz wanted to talk about methods of improving accuracy by doing pre - processing.

Well I think that  that was just sort of  I I already asked Thilo


Well I think that  that was just sort of  I I already asked Thilo

but that , um , it would be helpful if I can stay in the loop somehow with , um , people who are doing any kind of post - processing , whether it 's to separate speakers or to improve the signal - to - noise ratio , or both , um , that we can sort of try out as we 're running recognition. Um , so , i is that  Who else is work I guess Dan Ellis and you


but that , um , it would be helpful if I can stay in the loop somehow with , um , people who are doing any kind of post - processing , whether it 's to separate speakers or to improve the signal - to - noise ratio , or both , um , that we can sort of try out as we 're running recognition. Um , so , i is that  Who else is work I guess Dan Ellis and you

Yeah , and Dave uh  Gel - Gelbart again ,


Yeah , and Dave uh  Gel - Gelbart again ,


he 's  he 's interested in  in fact we 're look starting to look at some echo cancellation kind of things.


he 's  he 's interested in  in fact we 're look starting to look at some echo cancellation kind of things.

I am not sure how much that 's an issue with the close talking mikes ,


I am not sure how much that 's an issue with the close talking mikes ,


I am not sure how much that 's an issue with the close talking mikes ,

Well , let 's  w i isn't that what  what you want


Well , let 's  w i isn't that what  what you want


Well , let 's  w i isn't that what  what you want

t No , so  No , i w wha what you  what you want  when you 're saying improving the wave form you want the close talking microphone to be better.


t No , so  No , i w wha what you  what you want  when you 're saying improving the wave form you want the close talking microphone to be better.


And the question is to w to what extent is it getting hurt by , uh  by any room acoustics or is it just  uh , given that it 's close it 's not a problem ?


And the question is to w to what extent is it getting hurt by , uh  by any room acoustics or is it just  uh , given that it 's close it 's not a problem ?

It doesn't seem like big room acoustics problems to my ear


And the question is to w to what extent is it getting hurt by , uh  by any room acoustics or is it just  uh , given that it 's close it 's not a problem ?

It doesn't seem like big room acoustics problems to my ear

but I 'm not an expert. It seems like a problem with cross - talk.


It doesn't seem like big room acoustics problems to my ear

but I 'm not an expert. It seems like a problem with cross - talk.


but I 'm not an expert. It seems like a problem with cross - talk.


but I 'm not an expert. It seems like a problem with cross - talk.

e I bet with the lapel mike there 's plenty , uh , room acoustic


e I bet with the lapel mike there 's plenty , uh , room acoustic


e I bet with the lapel mike there 's plenty , uh , room acoustic

But I don't know how good it can get either by those  the  those methods


But I don't know how good it can get either by those  the  those methods


All I meant is just that as sort of  as this pipeline of research is going on we 're also experimenting with different ASR , uh , techniques.


All I meant is just that as sort of  as this pipeline of research is going on we 're also experimenting with different ASR , uh , techniques.

And so it 'd be w good to know about it.


All I meant is just that as sort of  as this pipeline of research is going on we 're also experimenting with different ASR , uh , techniques.

And so it 'd be w good to know about it.

So the problem is like , uh , on the microphone of somebody who 's not talking they 're picking up signals from other people  and that 's  causing problems ?


And so it 'd be w good to know about it.

So the problem is like , uh , on the microphone of somebody who 's not talking they 're picking up signals from other people  and that 's  causing problems ?

R right , although if they 're not talking , using the  the inhouse transcriptions , were sort of O K because the t no one transcribed any words there and we throw it out.


So the problem is like , uh , on the microphone of somebody who 's not talking they 're picking up signals from other people  and that 's  causing problems ?

R right , although if they 're not talking , using the  the inhouse transcriptions , were sort of O K because the t no one transcribed any words there and we throw it out.

But if they 're talking at all and they 're not talking the whole time , so you get some speech and then a " mm - hmm " , and some more speech , so that whole thing is one chunk. And the person in the middle who said only a little bit is picking up the speech around it , that 's where it 's a big problem.


R right , although if they 're not talking , using the  the inhouse transcriptions , were sort of O K because the t no one transcribed any words there and we throw it out.

But if they 're talking at all and they 're not talking the whole time , so you get some speech and then a " mm - hmm " , and some more speech , so that whole thing is one chunk. And the person in the middle who said only a little bit is picking up the speech around it , that 's where it 's a big problem.

You know , this does like seem like it would relate to some of what Jose 's been working on as well , the encoding of the


But if they 're talking at all and they 're not talking the whole time , so you get some speech and then a " mm - hmm " , and some more speech , so that whole thing is one chunk. And the person in the middle who said only a little bit is picking up the speech around it , that 's where it 's a big problem.

You know , this does like seem like it would relate to some of what Jose 's been working on as well , the encoding of the


You know , this does like seem like it would relate to some of what Jose 's been working on as well , the encoding of the


I was t I was trying to remember , you have this interface where you  i you ha you showed us one time on your laptop that you  you had different visual displays as speech and nonspeech events.


I was t I was trying to remember , you have this interface where you  i you ha you showed us one time on your laptop that you  you had different visual displays as speech and nonspeech events.

Yeah , c Yeah. May  I  I only display the different colors for the different situation. But , eh , for me and for my problems , is uh  is enough. Because , eh , it 's possible , eh , eh , in a simp sample view , uh , to , nnn , to compare with c with the segment , the  the kind of assessment what happened with the  the different parameters. And only with a different bands of color for the , uh , few situation , eh , I consider for acoustic event is enough to @ @.


I was t I was trying to remember , you have this interface where you  i you ha you showed us one time on your laptop that you  you had different visual displays as speech and nonspeech events.

Yeah , c Yeah. May  I  I only display the different colors for the different situation. But , eh , for me and for my problems , is uh  is enough. Because , eh , it 's possible , eh , eh , in a simp sample view , uh , to , nnn , to compare with c with the segment , the  the kind of assessment what happened with the  the different parameters. And only with a different bands of color for the , uh , few situation , eh , I consider for acoustic event is enough to @ @.

I  I   I see that , eh , you are considering now , eh , a very sophisticated , eh , ehm , eh , @ @  set of , eh , graphic s eh , eh , ehm , si symbols to  to transcribe. No ? Because , uh , before , you  you are talking about the  the possibility to include in the Transcriber program eh , um , a set of symbols , of graphic symbol to  t to mark the different situations during the transcription


Yeah , c Yeah. May  I  I only display the different colors for the different situation. But , eh , for me and for my problems , is uh  is enough. Because , eh , it 's possible , eh , eh , in a simp sample view , uh , to , nnn , to compare with c with the segment , the  the kind of assessment what happened with the  the different parameters. And only with a different bands of color for the , uh , few situation , eh , I consider for acoustic event is enough to @ @.

I  I   I see that , eh , you are considering now , eh , a very sophisticated , eh , ehm , eh , @ @  set of , eh , graphic s eh , eh , ehm , si symbols to  to transcribe. No ? Because , uh , before , you  you are talking about the  the possibility to include in the Transcriber program eh , um , a set of symbols , of graphic symbol to  t to mark the different situations during the transcription


I  I   I see that , eh , you are considering now , eh , a very sophisticated , eh , ehm , eh , @ @  set of , eh , graphic s eh , eh , ehm , si symbols to  to transcribe. No ? Because , uh , before , you  you are talking about the  the possibility to include in the Transcriber program eh , um , a set of symbols , of graphic symbol to  t to mark the different situations during the transcription


I  I   I see that , eh , you are considering now , eh , a very sophisticated , eh , ehm , eh , @ @  set of , eh , graphic s eh , eh , ehm , si symbols to  to transcribe. No ? Because , uh , before , you  you are talking about the  the possibility to include in the Transcriber program eh , um , a set of symbols , of graphic symbol to  t to mark the different situations during the transcription

Well , you 're saying  So , uh , symbols for differences between laugh , and sigh , and  and  and slam the door and stuff ?


Well , you 're saying  So , uh , symbols for differences between laugh , and sigh , and  and  and slam the door and stuff ?

Yeah. Yeah , yeah. The s the symbols , you  you talk of before.


Yeah. Yeah , yeah. The s the symbols , you  you talk of before.

Well , I wouldn't say  symbols so much. The  the main change that I  that I see in the interface is  is just that we 'll be able to more finely c uh , time things.


Well , I wouldn't say  symbols so much. The  the main change that I  that I see in the interface is  is just that we 'll be able to more finely c uh , time things.


Well , I wouldn't say  symbols so much. The  the main change that I  that I see in the interface is  is just that we 'll be able to more finely c uh , time things.

But I  I also st there was another aspect of your work that I was thinking about when I was talking to you


But I  I also st there was another aspect of your work that I was thinking about when I was talking to you

which is that it sounded to me , Liz , as though you  and , uh , maybe I didn't q understand this , but it sounded to me as though part of the analysis that you 're doing involves taking segments which are of a particular type and putting them together.


which is that it sounded to me , Liz , as though you  and , uh , maybe I didn't q understand this , but it sounded to me as though part of the analysis that you 're doing involves taking segments which are of a particular type and putting them together.

And th so if you have like a p a s you know , speech from one speaker ,  then you cut out the part that 's not that speaker ,


And th so if you have like a p a s you know , speech from one speaker ,  then you cut out the part that 's not that speaker ,

and you combine segments from  that same speaker to   and run them through the recognizer. Is that  right ?


And th so if you have like a p a s you know , speech from one speaker ,  then you cut out the part that 's not that speaker ,

and you combine segments from  that same speaker to   and run them through the recognizer. Is that  right ?

Well we try to find as close of start and end time of  as we can to the speech from an individual speaker ,


and you combine segments from  that same speaker to   and run them through the recognizer. Is that  right ?

Well we try to find as close of start and end time of  as we can to the speech from an individual speaker ,


and you combine segments from  that same speaker to   and run them through the recognizer. Is that  right ?

Well we try to find as close of start and end time of  as we can to the speech from an individual speaker ,

because then we  we 're more guaranteed that the recognizer will  for the forced alignment which is just to give us the time boundaries , because from those time boundaries then the plan is to compute prosodic features.


Well we try to find as close of start and end time of  as we can to the speech from an individual speaker ,

because then we  we 're more guaranteed that the recognizer will  for the forced alignment which is just to give us the time boundaries , because from those time boundaries then the plan is to compute prosodic features.


because then we  we 're more guaranteed that the recognizer will  for the forced alignment which is just to give us the time boundaries , because from those time boundaries then the plan is to compute prosodic features.

And the sort of more space you have that isn't the thing you 're trying to align the more errors we have. Um , so , you know , that  that  it would help to have either pre - processing of a signal that creates very good signal - to - noise ratio ,


And the sort of more space you have that isn't the thing you 're trying to align the more errors we have. Um , so , you know , that  that  it would help to have either pre - processing of a signal that creates very good signal - to - noise ratio ,

which I don't know how possible this is for the lapel , um , or to have very  to have closer ,  um , time  you know , synch times , basically , around the speech that gets transcribed in it , or both. And it 's just sort of a open world right now of exploring that. So I just wanted to  see , you know , on the transcribing end from here things look good. Uh , the IBM one is more  it 's an open question right now. And then the issue of like global processing of some signal and then , you know , before we chop it up is  is yet another way we can improve things in that.


And the sort of more space you have that isn't the thing you 're trying to align the more errors we have. Um , so , you know , that  that  it would help to have either pre - processing of a signal that creates very good signal - to - noise ratio ,

which I don't know how possible this is for the lapel , um , or to have very  to have closer ,  um , time  you know , synch times , basically , around the speech that gets transcribed in it , or both. And it 's just sort of a open world right now of exploring that. So I just wanted to  see , you know , on the transcribing end from here things look good. Uh , the IBM one is more  it 's an open question right now. And then the issue of like global processing of some signal and then , you know , before we chop it up is  is yet another way we can improve things in that.

What about increasing the flexibility of the alignment ?


which I don't know how possible this is for the lapel , um , or to have very  to have closer ,  um , time  you know , synch times , basically , around the speech that gets transcribed in it , or both. And it 's just sort of a open world right now of exploring that. So I just wanted to  see , you know , on the transcribing end from here things look good. Uh , the IBM one is more  it 's an open question right now. And then the issue of like global processing of some signal and then , you know , before we chop it up is  is yet another way we can improve things in that.

What about increasing the flexibility of the alignment ?


which I don't know how possible this is for the lapel , um , or to have very  to have closer ,  um , time  you know , synch times , basically , around the speech that gets transcribed in it , or both. And it 's just sort of a open world right now of exploring that. So I just wanted to  see , you know , on the transcribing end from here things look good. Uh , the IBM one is more  it 's an open question right now. And then the issue of like global processing of some signal and then , you know , before we chop it up is  is yet another way we can improve things in that.

What about increasing the flexibility of the alignment ?

Do you remember that thing that Michael Finka did ?


What about increasing the flexibility of the alignment ?

Do you remember that thing that Michael Finka did ?


Do you remember that thing that Michael Finka did ?


Do you remember that thing that Michael Finka did ?

Right. You can , um   The problem is just that the acoustic  when the signal - to - noise ratio is too low , um , you  you 'll get , a uh  an alignment with the wrong duration pattern or it


Right. You can , um   The problem is just that the acoustic  when the signal - to - noise ratio is too low , um , you  you 'll get , a uh  an alignment with the wrong duration pattern or it

Oh , so that 's the problem , is the  the signal - to - noise ratio.


Right. You can , um   The problem is just that the acoustic  when the signal - to - noise ratio is too low , um , you  you 'll get , a uh  an alignment with the wrong duration pattern or it

Oh , so that 's the problem , is the  the signal - to - noise ratio.

Yeah. It 's not the fact that you have like  I mean , what he did is allow you to have , uh , words that were in another segment move over to the  at the edges of  of segmentations.


Right. You can , um   The problem is just that the acoustic  when the signal - to - noise ratio is too low , um , you  you 'll get , a uh  an alignment with the wrong duration pattern or it

Oh , so that 's the problem , is the  the signal - to - noise ratio.

Yeah. It 's not the fact that you have like  I mean , what he did is allow you to have , uh , words that were in another segment move over to the  at the edges of  of segmentations.

Mm - hmm. Or even words inserted that weren't  weren't there.


Oh , so that 's the problem , is the  the signal - to - noise ratio.

Yeah. It 's not the fact that you have like  I mean , what he did is allow you to have , uh , words that were in another segment move over to the  at the edges of  of segmentations.

Mm - hmm. Or even words inserted that weren't  weren't there.

Right , things  things near the boundaries where if you got your alignment wrong


Yeah. It 's not the fact that you have like  I mean , what he did is allow you to have , uh , words that were in another segment move over to the  at the edges of  of segmentations.

Mm - hmm. Or even words inserted that weren't  weren't there.

Right , things  things near the boundaries where if you got your alignment wrong


Mm - hmm. Or even words inserted that weren't  weren't there.

Right , things  things near the boundaries where if you got your alignment wrong

cuz what they had done there is align and then chop.


Right , things  things near the boundaries where if you got your alignment wrong

cuz what they had done there is align and then chop.


cuz what they had done there is align and then chop.

Um , and this problem is a little bit j more global. It 's that there are problems even in inside the alignments , uh , because of the fact that there 's enough acoustic signal there t for the recognizer to  to eat ,  as part of a word. And it tends to do that. S So , uh ,


Um , and this problem is a little bit j more global. It 's that there are problems even in inside the alignments , uh , because of the fact that there 's enough acoustic signal there t for the recognizer to  to eat ,  as part of a word. And it tends to do that. S So , uh ,

but we probably will have to do something like that in addition. Anyway. So , yeah , bottom  bottom line is just I wanted to make sure I can be aware of whoever 's working on these signal - processing techniques for , uh , detecting energies ,


but we probably will have to do something like that in addition. Anyway. So , yeah , bottom  bottom line is just I wanted to make sure I can be aware of whoever 's working on these signal - processing techniques for , uh , detecting energies ,


but we probably will have to do something like that in addition. Anyway. So , yeah , bottom  bottom line is just I wanted to make sure I can be aware of whoever 's working on these signal - processing techniques for , uh , detecting energies ,

O K , uh tea has started out there I suggest we c run through our digits and ,


O K , uh tea has started out there I suggest we c run through our digits and ,


Adam , what is the mike that , uh , Jeremy 's wearing ?


Is that  Does that mean you can't hear anything during the meeting ?


Is that  Does that mean you can't hear anything during the meeting ?

Should we , uh , close the door , maybe ?


Should we , uh , close the door , maybe ?

It  it 's a fairly good mike , actually.


Should we , uh , close the door , maybe ?

It  it 's a fairly good mike , actually.

Well , I shouldn't say it 's a good mike. All I really know is that the signal level is OK. I don't know if it 's a  the quality.


It  it 's a fairly good mike , actually.

Well , I shouldn't say it 's a good mike. All I really know is that the signal level is OK. I don't know if it 's a  the quality.


Well , I shouldn't say it 's a good mike. All I really know is that the signal level is OK. I don't know if it 's a  the quality.

Ugh ! So I didn't send out agenda items because until five minutes ago we only had one agenda item and now we have two. So.  And , uh.


Well , I shouldn't say it 's a good mike. All I really know is that the signal level is OK. I don't know if it 's a  the quality.

Ugh ! So I didn't send out agenda items because until five minutes ago we only had one agenda item and now we have two. So.  And , uh.

OK. So , just to repeat the thing bef that we said last week , it was there 's this suggestion of alternating weeks on  more , uh , automatic speech recognition related or not ? Was that sort of  the division ?


Ugh ! So I didn't send out agenda items because until five minutes ago we only had one agenda item and now we have two. So.  And , uh.

OK. So , just to repeat the thing bef that we said last week , it was there 's this suggestion of alternating weeks on  more , uh , automatic speech recognition related or not ? Was that sort of  the division ?


OK. So , just to repeat the thing bef that we said last week , it was there 's this suggestion of alternating weeks on  more , uh , automatic speech recognition related or not ? Was that sort of  the division ?

Well  We haven't really started , but I thought we more  we more or less did Meeting Recorder stuff last week , so I thought we could do , uh


Well  We haven't really started , but I thought we more  we more or less did Meeting Recorder stuff last week , so I thought we could do , uh

I thought we had a thing about speech recognition last week too.


Well  We haven't really started , but I thought we more  we more or less did Meeting Recorder stuff last week , so I thought we could do , uh

I thought we had a thing about speech recognition last week too.

But I figure also if they 're short agenda items , we could also do a little bit of each.


I thought we had a thing about speech recognition last week too.

But I figure also if they 're short agenda items , we could also do a little bit of each.


But I figure also if they 're short agenda items , we could also do a little bit of each.

So. I seem to be having difficulty getting this adjusted. Here we go.


So. I seem to be having difficulty getting this adjusted. Here we go.

So , uh , as most of you should know , I did send out the consent form thingies and , uh , so far no one has made any  Ach !   any comments on them. So , no on no one has bleeped out anything.