My colleague is right. Seniors have faced increased costs due to the COVID-19 pandemic, and our government today has responded to that with additional action. We announced a one-time, tax-free payment of $300 for seniors eligible for OAS and an additional $200 for seniors eligible for GIS. This means there will be up to $500 for the most vulnerable seniors to help them with their financial security to get through this challenging time. Beyond this, we announced $20 million to expand the new horizons for seniors program to kick-start initiatives and services that will help seniorsfor example, to get grocery deliveries right to their door and to stay connected. We've worked tirelessly on this as well as on other recent measures like the GST credit to help the most vulnerable seniors. Thank you to my colleague for her advocacy.

You have 30 seconds left, Ms. Sgro. Go ahead with a short question and a response.

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. I want to applaud the minister for that work. I know she's been working extremely hard to make sure that we get some additional announcements over and above all of the ones we have already made, so congratulations. Keep up the work. You know there is lots more we want to do.


You have 30 seconds left, Ms. Sgro. Go ahead with a short question and a response.

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. I want to applaud the minister for that work. I know she's been working extremely hard to make sure that we get some additional announcements over and above all of the ones we have already made, so congratulations. Keep up the work. You know there is lots more we want to do.

Thank you very much to my honourable colleague for her advocacy. Thanks for everyone's advocacy. Seniors across the country have been communicating with us and letting us know their needs, and we have been responding.


Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. I want to applaud the minister for that work. I know she's been working extremely hard to make sure that we get some additional announcements over and above all of the ones we have already made, so congratulations. Keep up the work. You know there is lots more we want to do.

Thank you very much to my honourable colleague for her advocacy. Thanks for everyone's advocacy. Seniors across the country have been communicating with us and letting us know their needs, and we have been responding.

Now I'll go over to Mr. Blois. Go ahead.


Thank you very much to my honourable colleague for her advocacy. Thanks for everyone's advocacy. Seniors across the country have been communicating with us and letting us know their needs, and we have been responding.

Now I'll go over to Mr. Blois. Go ahead.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. It's always a privilege to have a chance to speak on issues that matter to Canadians, whether it's from the floor of the House of Commons or, indeed, from my house here in Nova Scotia. It's great to see everyone across the country. Like my colleagues, I'd like to thank the staff of the House of Commons for their continued work to make sure that we have this forum to be able to continue the democratic process. I would also quickly like to thank my staff both here locally in KingsHants and in Ottawa for their continued work for my constituents. Mr. Chair, my question through you is to the minister of agriculture. In KingsHants, agriculture is an important economic driver for our economy. We have the greatest concentration of agriculture producers east of Montreal. From our beef industry to our wine industry and everything in-between, it is extremely important. We have the Kentville Research and Development Centre and the Hants County agricultural exhibition, the longest-standing exhibition in North America. We know that COVID-19 has had impacts on the agriculture industry to differing degrees. In particular, KingsHants is home to an important dairy sector. We also have a growing and important horticulture sector. Can the minister specifically provide an update to the House on the measures our government has taken on those two particular commodity groups that are so important in my riding?


Now I'll go over to Mr. Blois. Go ahead.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. It's always a privilege to have a chance to speak on issues that matter to Canadians, whether it's from the floor of the House of Commons or, indeed, from my house here in Nova Scotia. It's great to see everyone across the country. Like my colleagues, I'd like to thank the staff of the House of Commons for their continued work to make sure that we have this forum to be able to continue the democratic process. I would also quickly like to thank my staff both here locally in KingsHants and in Ottawa for their continued work for my constituents. Mr. Chair, my question through you is to the minister of agriculture. In KingsHants, agriculture is an important economic driver for our economy. We have the greatest concentration of agriculture producers east of Montreal. From our beef industry to our wine industry and everything in-between, it is extremely important. We have the Kentville Research and Development Centre and the Hants County agricultural exhibition, the longest-standing exhibition in North America. We know that COVID-19 has had impacts on the agriculture industry to differing degrees. In particular, KingsHants is home to an important dairy sector. We also have a growing and important horticulture sector. Can the minister specifically provide an update to the House on the measures our government has taken on those two particular commodity groups that are so important in my riding?

Thank you, Mr. Chair. We are targeting support to some of the most critical challenges facing the food supply chain. Last Tuesday I was proud to announce our emergency processing fund for a total of $77.5 million, $50 million for the surplus food program and $125 million through AgriRecovery to support our beef and pork producers. Concerning the dairy sector in particular, I'm hopeful that tomorrow we will get the support of all of the parties to be able to respond to their request for an increase in their loan capacity from $300 million to $500 million. I would like to encourage all farmers to apply to the business risk management programs, including AgriStability, for which we have improved some of the mechanisms.


Thank you, Mr. Chair. It's always a privilege to have a chance to speak on issues that matter to Canadians, whether it's from the floor of the House of Commons or, indeed, from my house here in Nova Scotia. It's great to see everyone across the country. Like my colleagues, I'd like to thank the staff of the House of Commons for their continued work to make sure that we have this forum to be able to continue the democratic process. I would also quickly like to thank my staff both here locally in KingsHants and in Ottawa for their continued work for my constituents. Mr. Chair, my question through you is to the minister of agriculture. In KingsHants, agriculture is an important economic driver for our economy. We have the greatest concentration of agriculture producers east of Montreal. From our beef industry to our wine industry and everything in-between, it is extremely important. We have the Kentville Research and Development Centre and the Hants County agricultural exhibition, the longest-standing exhibition in North America. We know that COVID-19 has had impacts on the agriculture industry to differing degrees. In particular, KingsHants is home to an important dairy sector. We also have a growing and important horticulture sector. Can the minister specifically provide an update to the House on the measures our government has taken on those two particular commodity groups that are so important in my riding?

Thank you, Mr. Chair. We are targeting support to some of the most critical challenges facing the food supply chain. Last Tuesday I was proud to announce our emergency processing fund for a total of $77.5 million, $50 million for the surplus food program and $125 million through AgriRecovery to support our beef and pork producers. Concerning the dairy sector in particular, I'm hopeful that tomorrow we will get the support of all of the parties to be able to respond to their request for an increase in their loan capacity from $300 million to $500 million. I would like to encourage all farmers to apply to the business risk management programs, including AgriStability, for which we have improved some of the mechanisms.

We'll go on with questions, but I'll also just ask Mr. Blois to excuse me for mispronouncing his name. Let's go now to Mr. Masse for Windsor West. Go ahead, Mr. Masse.


Thank you, Mr. Chair. We are targeting support to some of the most critical challenges facing the food supply chain. Last Tuesday I was proud to announce our emergency processing fund for a total of $77.5 million, $50 million for the surplus food program and $125 million through AgriRecovery to support our beef and pork producers. Concerning the dairy sector in particular, I'm hopeful that tomorrow we will get the support of all of the parties to be able to respond to their request for an increase in their loan capacity from $300 million to $500 million. I would like to encourage all farmers to apply to the business risk management programs, including AgriStability, for which we have improved some of the mechanisms.

We'll go on with questions, but I'll also just ask Mr. Blois to excuse me for mispronouncing his name. Let's go now to Mr. Masse for Windsor West. Go ahead, Mr. Masse.

During the COVID-19 pandemic, the State of Michigan has become an epicentre of the outbreak. The city of Detroit alone has more deaths than the entire province of Ontario. The border communities of Sarnia and Windsor have higher per capita infection rates than the rest of the province. Next week, the border restrictions between the U.S. and Canada expire. With the premiers of B.C., Quebec and Ontario opposing the opening of the border at this time, will the restrictions be extended, or is the Prime Minister discussing changing the restrictions?


We'll go on with questions, but I'll also just ask Mr. Blois to excuse me for mispronouncing his name. Let's go now to Mr. Masse for Windsor West. Go ahead, Mr. Masse.

During the COVID-19 pandemic, the State of Michigan has become an epicentre of the outbreak. The city of Detroit alone has more deaths than the entire province of Ontario. The border communities of Sarnia and Windsor have higher per capita infection rates than the rest of the province. Next week, the border restrictions between the U.S. and Canada expire. With the premiers of B.C., Quebec and Ontario opposing the opening of the border at this time, will the restrictions be extended, or is the Prime Minister discussing changing the restrictions?

Let me assure the honourable member that, first and foremost, all decisions about Canada's border are taken by Canadians and with the health and safety of Canadians first and foremost in mind. When it comes to the current agreement's coming up next week, we are in very close conversations with Americans about next steps.


During the COVID-19 pandemic, the State of Michigan has become an epicentre of the outbreak. The city of Detroit alone has more deaths than the entire province of Ontario. The border communities of Sarnia and Windsor have higher per capita infection rates than the rest of the province. Next week, the border restrictions between the U.S. and Canada expire. With the premiers of B.C., Quebec and Ontario opposing the opening of the border at this time, will the restrictions be extended, or is the Prime Minister discussing changing the restrictions?

Let me assure the honourable member that, first and foremost, all decisions about Canada's border are taken by Canadians and with the health and safety of Canadians first and foremost in mind. When it comes to the current agreement's coming up next week, we are in very close conversations with Americans about next steps.


Let me assure the honourable member that, first and foremost, all decisions about Canada's border are taken by Canadians and with the health and safety of Canadians first and foremost in mind. When it comes to the current agreement's coming up next week, we are in very close conversations with Americans about next steps.

Let me just be clear that I didn't speak about any changes; I spoke about a very collaborative conversation with our American neighbours about next steps.


Let me assure the honourable member that, first and foremost, all decisions about Canada's border are taken by Canadians and with the health and safety of Canadians first and foremost in mind. When it comes to the current agreement's coming up next week, we are in very close conversations with Americans about next steps.

Let me just be clear that I didn't speak about any changes; I spoke about a very collaborative conversation with our American neighbours about next steps.

Are you discussing any changes to the current status right now?


Let me just be clear that I didn't speak about any changes; I spoke about a very collaborative conversation with our American neighbours about next steps.

Are you discussing any changes to the current status right now?

I found during the NAFTA negotiations that negotiations are best not conducted in public, but let me just assure Canadians that the health and safety of Canadians is first and foremost. Our government is taking a cautious approach, and we're working effectively.


Let me just be clear that I didn't speak about any changes; I spoke about a very collaborative conversation with our American neighbours about next steps.

Are you discussing any changes to the current status right now?

I found during the NAFTA negotiations that negotiations are best not conducted in public, but let me just assure Canadians that the health and safety of Canadians is first and foremost. Our government is taking a cautious approach, and we're working effectively.

This is not negotiation. This is whether there are changes on the table. What are they?


Are you discussing any changes to the current status right now?

I found during the NAFTA negotiations that negotiations are best not conducted in public, but let me just assure Canadians that the health and safety of Canadians is first and foremost. Our government is taking a cautious approach, and we're working effectively.

This is not negotiation. This is whether there are changes on the table. What are they?

Let me just say that I think the honourable member was actually seeking to know what exactly is being discussed with our American partners. Let me just say that we are taking a very cautious approach to the health and safety of Canadians. A very collaborative discussion is happening.


I found during the NAFTA negotiations that negotiations are best not conducted in public, but let me just assure Canadians that the health and safety of Canadians is first and foremost. Our government is taking a cautious approach, and we're working effectively.

This is not negotiation. This is whether there are changes on the table. What are they?

Let me just say that I think the honourable member was actually seeking to know what exactly is being discussed with our American partners. Let me just say that we are taking a very cautious approach to the health and safety of Canadians. A very collaborative discussion is happening.

Will more information be shared between your government and the American government on Canadians and Americans crossing the border on both sides?


This is not negotiation. This is whether there are changes on the table. What are they?

Let me just say that I think the honourable member was actually seeking to know what exactly is being discussed with our American partners. Let me just say that we are taking a very cautious approach to the health and safety of Canadians. A very collaborative discussion is happening.

Will more information be shared between your government and the American government on Canadians and Americans crossing the border on both sides?

I'm not sure what the member is alluding to, but let me just say that the current arrangements are working extremely well. Non-essential travel is down very sharply. Essential travel, particularly for trade, continues, and that's a good thing, too.


Let me just say that I think the honourable member was actually seeking to know what exactly is being discussed with our American partners. Let me just say that we are taking a very cautious approach to the health and safety of Canadians. A very collaborative discussion is happening.

Will more information be shared between your government and the American government on Canadians and Americans crossing the border on both sides?

I'm not sure what the member is alluding to, but let me just say that the current arrangements are working extremely well. Non-essential travel is down very sharply. Essential travel, particularly for trade, continues, and that's a good thing, too.

With border communities having more rates of infection, will they receive additional PPE and financial assistance to deal with the loosening of current border restrictions that is being discussed?


Will more information be shared between your government and the American government on Canadians and Americans crossing the border on both sides?

I'm not sure what the member is alluding to, but let me just say that the current arrangements are working extremely well. Non-essential travel is down very sharply. Essential travel, particularly for trade, continues, and that's a good thing, too.

With border communities having more rates of infection, will they receive additional PPE and financial assistance to deal with the loosening of current border restrictions that is being discussed?

Let me just emphasize to the honourable member that on a couple of occasions he has implied that a loosening of the current restrictions is being discussed. Let me be very clear that this is his assertion; I have not said that.


I'm not sure what the member is alluding to, but let me just say that the current arrangements are working extremely well. Non-essential travel is down very sharply. Essential travel, particularly for trade, continues, and that's a good thing, too.

With border communities having more rates of infection, will they receive additional PPE and financial assistance to deal with the loosening of current border restrictions that is being discussed?

Let me just emphasize to the honourable member that on a couple of occasions he has implied that a loosening of the current restrictions is being discussed. Let me be very clear that this is his assertion; I have not said that.

Apparently, we're meeting for nothing. I'll move to the large commercial banks who are profiteering off or squeezing Canadians during this public crisis. Credit card interest rates are still high from previous price-gouging levels. Despite numerous favours from the Liberals, there have not been significant changes. Vancity Savings Credit Union demonstrated leadership when it set credit card rates at zero. Will the government use its statutory powers and force the banks to offer the credit card relief that Vancity has already done?


With border communities having more rates of infection, will they receive additional PPE and financial assistance to deal with the loosening of current border restrictions that is being discussed?

Let me just emphasize to the honourable member that on a couple of occasions he has implied that a loosening of the current restrictions is being discussed. Let me be very clear that this is his assertion; I have not said that.

Apparently, we're meeting for nothing. I'll move to the large commercial banks who are profiteering off or squeezing Canadians during this public crisis. Credit card interest rates are still high from previous price-gouging levels. Despite numerous favours from the Liberals, there have not been significant changes. Vancity Savings Credit Union demonstrated leadership when it set credit card rates at zero. Will the government use its statutory powers and force the banks to offer the credit card relief that Vancity has already done?


Let me just emphasize to the honourable member that on a couple of occasions he has implied that a loosening of the current restrictions is being discussed. Let me be very clear that this is his assertion; I have not said that.

Apparently, we're meeting for nothing. I'll move to the large commercial banks who are profiteering off or squeezing Canadians during this public crisis. Credit card interest rates are still high from previous price-gouging levels. Despite numerous favours from the Liberals, there have not been significant changes. Vancity Savings Credit Union demonstrated leadership when it set credit card rates at zero. Will the government use its statutory powers and force the banks to offer the credit card relief that Vancity has already done?

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I would like to say that we recognize the challenges that Canadians face, especially with issues like credit card rates. That's exactly why we've been working on this issue since we came into office. We came to an agreement on interchange fees that was important for consumers. Most recently, during the COVID-19 crisis, we've negotiated with the banks and encouraged them, and they have come out with reductions in their credit card fees that are significant, and deferrals for customers


Apparently, we're meeting for nothing. I'll move to the large commercial banks who are profiteering off or squeezing Canadians during this public crisis. Credit card interest rates are still high from previous price-gouging levels. Despite numerous favours from the Liberals, there have not been significant changes. Vancity Savings Credit Union demonstrated leadership when it set credit card rates at zero. Will the government use its statutory powers and force the banks to offer the credit card relief that Vancity has already done?

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I would like to say that we recognize the challenges that Canadians face, especially with issues like credit card rates. That's exactly why we've been working on this issue since we came into office. We came to an agreement on interchange fees that was important for consumers. Most recently, during the COVID-19 crisis, we've negotiated with the banks and encouraged them, and they have come out with reductions in their credit card fees that are significant, and deferrals for customers

Will you use your statutory powers, yes or no, to do what Vancity has done to help Canadian consumers?


Thank you, Mr. Chair. I would like to say that we recognize the challenges that Canadians face, especially with issues like credit card rates. That's exactly why we've been working on this issue since we came into office. We came to an agreement on interchange fees that was important for consumers. Most recently, during the COVID-19 crisis, we've negotiated with the banks and encouraged them, and they have come out with reductions in their credit card fees that are significant, and deferrals for customers

Will you use your statutory powers, yes or no, to do what Vancity has done to help Canadian consumers?

As I've said, Mr. Chair, we're continuing to support consumers. We're continuing to work together with banks to make sure that they are giving the kind of support necessary to their customers, and we've seen actions in this regard, supporting customers.


Thank you, Mr. Chair. I would like to say that we recognize the challenges that Canadians face, especially with issues like credit card rates. That's exactly why we've been working on this issue since we came into office. We came to an agreement on interchange fees that was important for consumers. Most recently, during the COVID-19 crisis, we've negotiated with the banks and encouraged them, and they have come out with reductions in their credit card fees that are significant, and deferrals for customers

Will you use your statutory powers, yes or no, to do what Vancity has done to help Canadian consumers?

As I've said, Mr. Chair, we're continuing to support consumers. We're continuing to work together with banks to make sure that they are giving the kind of support necessary to their customers, and we've seen actions in this regard, supporting customers.

Why do banks have to profit at higher interest rates on Canadian consumer and retailer exchange rates during COVID-19?


Will you use your statutory powers, yes or no, to do what Vancity has done to help Canadian consumers?

As I've said, Mr. Chair, we're continuing to support consumers. We're continuing to work together with banks to make sure that they are giving the kind of support necessary to their customers, and we've seen actions in this regard, supporting customers.

Why do banks have to profit at higher interest rates on Canadian consumer and retailer exchange rates during COVID-19?

Mr. Chair, I think it's important to clarify that banks have come forward and given deferrals to customers in trouble and cut their interest by half  Mr. Brian Masse: Not on credit cards.  Hon. Bill Morneau: and that's been important on credit cards.


As I've said, Mr. Chair, we're continuing to support consumers. We're continuing to work together with banks to make sure that they are giving the kind of support necessary to their customers, and we've seen actions in this regard, supporting customers.

Why do banks have to profit at higher interest rates on Canadian consumer and retailer exchange rates during COVID-19?

Mr. Chair, I think it's important to clarify that banks have come forward and given deferrals to customers in trouble and cut their interest by half  Mr. Brian Masse: Not on credit cards.  Hon. Bill Morneau: and that's been important on credit cards.

There's time for one more short question. Go ahead, Mr. Masse.


Why do banks have to profit at higher interest rates on Canadian consumer and retailer exchange rates during COVID-19?

Mr. Chair, I think it's important to clarify that banks have come forward and given deferrals to customers in trouble and cut their interest by half  Mr. Brian Masse: Not on credit cards.  Hon. Bill Morneau: and that's been important on credit cards.

There's time for one more short question. Go ahead, Mr. Masse.

Will the minister use his powers if the banks continue to charge Canadian consumers interest rates that are higher than Vancity's?


Mr. Chair, I think it's important to clarify that banks have come forward and given deferrals to customers in trouble and cut their interest by half  Mr. Brian Masse: Not on credit cards.  Hon. Bill Morneau: and that's been important on credit cards.

There's time for one more short question. Go ahead, Mr. Masse.

Will the minister use his powers if the banks continue to charge Canadian consumers interest rates that are higher than Vancity's?

Mr. Chair, again, we will continue to work with banks to ensure that they're supporting their customers. What banks have done on credit cards by cutting their fees in half is an important nod in that direction.


There's time for one more short question. Go ahead, Mr. Masse.

Will the minister use his powers if the banks continue to charge Canadian consumers interest rates that are higher than Vancity's?

Mr. Chair, again, we will continue to work with banks to ensure that they're supporting their customers. What banks have done on credit cards by cutting their fees in half is an important nod in that direction.


Will the minister use his powers if the banks continue to charge Canadian consumers interest rates that are higher than Vancity's?

Mr. Chair, again, we will continue to work with banks to ensure that they're supporting their customers. What banks have done on credit cards by cutting their fees in half is an important nod in that direction.

Thank you, Mr.Chair. Quebec is Canada's biggest producer of hydroelectricity, a renewable energy that is the pride of the Quebec nation. The only problem is that it seems to be a tough sell west of Quebec, in Ontario, for instance. This competitively priced power could help us reduce our environmental footprint and further cut greenhouse gas emissions. Will the government show leadership and allow Canada's provinces to share renewable energy through an energy corridor, as we proposed?


Mr. Chair, again, we will continue to work with banks to ensure that they're supporting their customers. What banks have done on credit cards by cutting their fees in half is an important nod in that direction.

Thank you, Mr.Chair. Quebec is Canada's biggest producer of hydroelectricity, a renewable energy that is the pride of the Quebec nation. The only problem is that it seems to be a tough sell west of Quebec, in Ontario, for instance. This competitively priced power could help us reduce our environmental footprint and further cut greenhouse gas emissions. Will the government show leadership and allow Canada's provinces to share renewable energy through an energy corridor, as we proposed?

Mr.Chair, we are continuing to work towards that end. It is always very important to protect Canadians, and we are going to stick to that approach.


Thank you, Mr.Chair. Quebec is Canada's biggest producer of hydroelectricity, a renewable energy that is the pride of the Quebec nation. The only problem is that it seems to be a tough sell west of Quebec, in Ontario, for instance. This competitively priced power could help us reduce our environmental footprint and further cut greenhouse gas emissions. Will the government show leadership and allow Canada's provinces to share renewable energy through an energy corridor, as we proposed?

Mr.Chair, we are continuing to work towards that end. It is always very important to protect Canadians, and we are going to stick to that approach.

Mr.Chair, Canada's dairy processors have been hit hard by the COVID-19 crisis and the new CanadaU.S.Mexico Agreement, or CUSMA. Some of them have incurred losses ranging from 10% to 50%, depending on the processed product. Will the government commit to granting import permits under CUSMA to Canada's dairy processors, not retailers directly?


Thank you, Mr.Chair. Quebec is Canada's biggest producer of hydroelectricity, a renewable energy that is the pride of the Quebec nation. The only problem is that it seems to be a tough sell west of Quebec, in Ontario, for instance. This competitively priced power could help us reduce our environmental footprint and further cut greenhouse gas emissions. Will the government show leadership and allow Canada's provinces to share renewable energy through an energy corridor, as we proposed?

Mr.Chair, we are continuing to work towards that end. It is always very important to protect Canadians, and we are going to stick to that approach.

Mr.Chair, Canada's dairy processors have been hit hard by the COVID-19 crisis and the new CanadaU.S.Mexico Agreement, or CUSMA. Some of them have incurred losses ranging from 10% to 50%, depending on the processed product. Will the government commit to granting import permits under CUSMA to Canada's dairy processors, not retailers directly?

Mr.Chair, I can assure you that dairy producers will receive fair compensation. I should also point out that we preserved supply management when negotiating the new NAFTA. That is important to Canada and Quebec, and I'm very pleased that we were able to do that.


Mr.Chair, we are continuing to work towards that end. It is always very important to protect Canadians, and we are going to stick to that approach.

Mr.Chair, Canada's dairy processors have been hit hard by the COVID-19 crisis and the new CanadaU.S.Mexico Agreement, or CUSMA. Some of them have incurred losses ranging from 10% to 50%, depending on the processed product. Will the government commit to granting import permits under CUSMA to Canada's dairy processors, not retailers directly?

Mr.Chair, I can assure you that dairy producers will receive fair compensation. I should also point out that we preserved supply management when negotiating the new NAFTA. That is important to Canada and Quebec, and I'm very pleased that we were able to do that.

Mr.Chair, the minister seems to be missing the issue in hand. Canada's dairy processors invest hundreds of millions of dollars a year to bring high-quality products to consumers, while contributing $19billion to GDP. Now those very processors are being asked to try to export Canadian value-added products. Will the minister commit to giving Canada's dairy processors import permits, instead of encouraging American multinationals?


Mr.Chair, Canada's dairy processors have been hit hard by the COVID-19 crisis and the new CanadaU.S.Mexico Agreement, or CUSMA. Some of them have incurred losses ranging from 10% to 50%, depending on the processed product. Will the government commit to granting import permits under CUSMA to Canada's dairy processors, not retailers directly?

Mr.Chair, I can assure you that dairy producers will receive fair compensation. I should also point out that we preserved supply management when negotiating the new NAFTA. That is important to Canada and Quebec, and I'm very pleased that we were able to do that.

Mr.Chair, the minister seems to be missing the issue in hand. Canada's dairy processors invest hundreds of millions of dollars a year to bring high-quality products to consumers, while contributing $19billion to GDP. Now those very processors are being asked to try to export Canadian value-added products. Will the minister commit to giving Canada's dairy processors import permits, instead of encouraging American multinationals?

Mr.Chair, I'd like to thank the member for his question. I fully understand, as we all do, the important role processors play in our system and our country. I can assure the members of the House that we will continue to work with Canadian processors as the agreement comes into force.


Mr.Chair, I can assure you that dairy producers will receive fair compensation. I should also point out that we preserved supply management when negotiating the new NAFTA. That is important to Canada and Quebec, and I'm very pleased that we were able to do that.

Mr.Chair, the minister seems to be missing the issue in hand. Canada's dairy processors invest hundreds of millions of dollars a year to bring high-quality products to consumers, while contributing $19billion to GDP. Now those very processors are being asked to try to export Canadian value-added products. Will the minister commit to giving Canada's dairy processors import permits, instead of encouraging American multinationals?

Mr.Chair, I'd like to thank the member for his question. I fully understand, as we all do, the important role processors play in our system and our country. I can assure the members of the House that we will continue to work with Canadian processors as the agreement comes into force.

Mr.Chair, when it comes to the COVID-19 crisis, what Canadians will remember is that those with access to reliable high-speed Internet will have fared better, feeling less financial strain, than those who are cut off from the rest of the world. Is the government ready to invest in making high-speed Internet available to all Canadians, no matter where they live in the country?


Mr.Chair, the minister seems to be missing the issue in hand. Canada's dairy processors invest hundreds of millions of dollars a year to bring high-quality products to consumers, while contributing $19billion to GDP. Now those very processors are being asked to try to export Canadian value-added products. Will the minister commit to giving Canada's dairy processors import permits, instead of encouraging American multinationals?

Mr.Chair, I'd like to thank the member for his question. I fully understand, as we all do, the important role processors play in our system and our country. I can assure the members of the House that we will continue to work with Canadian processors as the agreement comes into force.

Mr.Chair, when it comes to the COVID-19 crisis, what Canadians will remember is that those with access to reliable high-speed Internet will have fared better, feeling less financial strain, than those who are cut off from the rest of the world. Is the government ready to invest in making high-speed Internet available to all Canadians, no matter where they live in the country?


Mr.Chair, I'd like to thank the member for his question. I fully understand, as we all do, the important role processors play in our system and our country. I can assure the members of the House that we will continue to work with Canadian processors as the agreement comes into force.

Mr.Chair, when it comes to the COVID-19 crisis, what Canadians will remember is that those with access to reliable high-speed Internet will have fared better, feeling less financial strain, than those who are cut off from the rest of the world. Is the government ready to invest in making high-speed Internet available to all Canadians, no matter where they live in the country?

Mr.Chair, the current economic situation could lead to the disappearance of Canada's tourism industry. The pain will be felt by thousands of Canadians, who will have to find new jobs in order to survive. Is the government going to protect the tourism-based economy by investing in tourism infrastructure and upgrades to ensure Canada's tourist regions are ready when the economy reopens?


Mr.Chair, when it comes to the COVID-19 crisis, what Canadians will remember is that those with access to reliable high-speed Internet will have fared better, feeling less financial strain, than those who are cut off from the rest of the world. Is the government ready to invest in making high-speed Internet available to all Canadians, no matter where they live in the country?

Mr.Chair, the current economic situation could lead to the disappearance of Canada's tourism industry. The pain will be felt by thousands of Canadians, who will have to find new jobs in order to survive. Is the government going to protect the tourism-based economy by investing in tourism infrastructure and upgrades to ensure Canada's tourist regions are ready when the economy reopens?


Mr.Chair, the current economic situation could lead to the disappearance of Canada's tourism industry. The pain will be felt by thousands of Canadians, who will have to find new jobs in order to survive. Is the government going to protect the tourism-based economy by investing in tourism infrastructure and upgrades to ensure Canada's tourist regions are ready when the economy reopens?

Ms. Joly, you have to switch to the French channel and turn on your microphone.


Mr.Chair, the current economic situation could lead to the disappearance of Canada's tourism industry. The pain will be felt by thousands of Canadians, who will have to find new jobs in order to survive. Is the government going to protect the tourism-based economy by investing in tourism infrastructure and upgrades to ensure Canada's tourist regions are ready when the economy reopens?

Ms. Joly, you have to switch to the French channel and turn on your microphone.

Yes, I look forward to working with my fellow member on this issue. I know the tourism sector is important to him and, especially, his constituents. Let's work together to find ways to get this hard-hit sector moving again. Many people have lost their jobs and need assistance from the government. That is why we're here, providing a helping hand at this difficult time so they can come out the other side.


Ms. Joly, you have to switch to the French channel and turn on your microphone.

Yes, I look forward to working with my fellow member on this issue. I know the tourism sector is important to him and, especially, his constituents. Let's work together to find ways to get this hard-hit sector moving again. Many people have lost their jobs and need assistance from the government. That is why we're here, providing a helping hand at this difficult time so they can come out the other side.

Continuing with questions, we'll go to the honourable member for SaskatoonUniversity, Mr. Tochor.


Ms. Joly, you have to switch to the French channel and turn on your microphone.

Yes, I look forward to working with my fellow member on this issue. I know the tourism sector is important to him and, especially, his constituents. Let's work together to find ways to get this hard-hit sector moving again. Many people have lost their jobs and need assistance from the government. That is why we're here, providing a helping hand at this difficult time so they can come out the other side.

Continuing with questions, we'll go to the honourable member for SaskatoonUniversity, Mr. Tochor.

Good afternoon, everybody. With respect to entering Canada, does the government consider spousal reunification as essential travel, yes or no?


Yes, I look forward to working with my fellow member on this issue. I know the tourism sector is important to him and, especially, his constituents. Let's work together to find ways to get this hard-hit sector moving again. Many people have lost their jobs and need assistance from the government. That is why we're here, providing a helping hand at this difficult time so they can come out the other side.

Continuing with questions, we'll go to the honourable member for SaskatoonUniversity, Mr. Tochor.

Good afternoon, everybody. With respect to entering Canada, does the government consider spousal reunification as essential travel, yes or no?


Continuing with questions, we'll go to the honourable member for SaskatoonUniversity, Mr. Tochor.

Good afternoon, everybody. With respect to entering Canada, does the government consider spousal reunification as essential travel, yes or no?

The CBSA has exercised the appropriate discretion in determining when a non-Canadian citizen, who has no status in Canada, attempts to enter the country for any consideration considered non-essential. They are turned back because we have restrictions in place for non-essential travel.


Good afternoon, everybody. With respect to entering Canada, does the government consider spousal reunification as essential travel, yes or no?

The CBSA has exercised the appropriate discretion in determining when a non-Canadian citizen, who has no status in Canada, attempts to enter the country for any consideration considered non-essential. They are turned back because we have restrictions in place for non-essential travel.

Respectfully to the minister, you're letting down Canadians. People are being stranded, and you need to do better as a government.  Changing gears a little, all Canadians would agree, or can agree, that the Prime Minister requires suitable accommodation. Why did the government simply not tell Canadians that the Harrington cottage needed to be rebuilt and massively expanded?


The CBSA has exercised the appropriate discretion in determining when a non-Canadian citizen, who has no status in Canada, attempts to enter the country for any consideration considered non-essential. They are turned back because we have restrictions in place for non-essential travel.

Respectfully to the minister, you're letting down Canadians. People are being stranded, and you need to do better as a government.  Changing gears a little, all Canadians would agree, or can agree, that the Prime Minister requires suitable accommodation. Why did the government simply not tell Canadians that the Harrington cottage needed to be rebuilt and massively expanded?

I would ask the honourable members to direct their questions through the chair. The honourable minister.


The CBSA has exercised the appropriate discretion in determining when a non-Canadian citizen, who has no status in Canada, attempts to enter the country for any consideration considered non-essential. They are turned back because we have restrictions in place for non-essential travel.

Respectfully to the minister, you're letting down Canadians. People are being stranded, and you need to do better as a government.  Changing gears a little, all Canadians would agree, or can agree, that the Prime Minister requires suitable accommodation. Why did the government simply not tell Canadians that the Harrington cottage needed to be rebuilt and massively expanded?

I would ask the honourable members to direct their questions through the chair. The honourable minister.

The NCC is an independent Crown corporation. It recognizes the importance of the official residences it has jurisdiction over. The work at Harrington Lake is part of a broader program to preserve and maintain and restore all official residences under NCC management, and we will support the NCC in its important work.


Respectfully to the minister, you're letting down Canadians. People are being stranded, and you need to do better as a government.  Changing gears a little, all Canadians would agree, or can agree, that the Prime Minister requires suitable accommodation. Why did the government simply not tell Canadians that the Harrington cottage needed to be rebuilt and massively expanded?

I would ask the honourable members to direct their questions through the chair. The honourable minister.

The NCC is an independent Crown corporation. It recognizes the importance of the official residences it has jurisdiction over. The work at Harrington Lake is part of a broader program to preserve and maintain and restore all official residences under NCC management, and we will support the NCC in its important work.

Was there something in particular that this government did not want Canadians to know about the cottage, or is secrecy all this government knows how to do?


I would ask the honourable members to direct their questions through the chair. The honourable minister.

The NCC is an independent Crown corporation. It recognizes the importance of the official residences it has jurisdiction over. The work at Harrington Lake is part of a broader program to preserve and maintain and restore all official residences under NCC management, and we will support the NCC in its important work.

Was there something in particular that this government did not want Canadians to know about the cottage, or is secrecy all this government knows how to do?

Mr. Chair, this information was and has been public since 2018. There is no effort to hide any information from the public in this regard.


The NCC is an independent Crown corporation. It recognizes the importance of the official residences it has jurisdiction over. The work at Harrington Lake is part of a broader program to preserve and maintain and restore all official residences under NCC management, and we will support the NCC in its important work.

Was there something in particular that this government did not want Canadians to know about the cottage, or is secrecy all this government knows how to do?

Mr. Chair, this information was and has been public since 2018. There is no effort to hide any information from the public in this regard.

Respectfully, Canadians feel misled on this, and we're not clear on what the expenses were, how large an expansion it was


Was there something in particular that this government did not want Canadians to know about the cottage, or is secrecy all this government knows how to do?

Mr. Chair, this information was and has been public since 2018. There is no effort to hide any information from the public in this regard.

Respectfully, Canadians feel misled on this, and we're not clear on what the expenses were, how large an expansion it was

Go ahead, the honourable government House leader.


Mr. Chair, this information was and has been public since 2018. There is no effort to hide any information from the public in this regard.

Respectfully, Canadians feel misled on this, and we're not clear on what the expenses were, how large an expansion it was

Go ahead, the honourable government House leader.

On a point of order, Mr. Chair, I believe this has absolutely nothing to do with the pandemic, so the questions are out of order, in my opinion. Thank you.


Respectfully, Canadians feel misled on this, and we're not clear on what the expenses were, how large an expansion it was

Go ahead, the honourable government House leader.

On a point of order, Mr. Chair, I believe this has absolutely nothing to do with the pandemic, so the questions are out of order, in my opinion. Thank you.

I thank the honourable government House leader for his comment. Certainly the scope of the special committee on the COVID-19 pandemic does expect and anticipate that the subject matter will be related to the matter at hand, so I would ask honourable members to continue to keep within those bounds. Of course, members will also know that we're unable to gauge that until members have spoken, so I would ask members to keep on subject. Let's go back to Mr. Tochor to finish his question, and we have about two minutes remaining in this spot.


Go ahead, the honourable government House leader.

On a point of order, Mr. Chair, I believe this has absolutely nothing to do with the pandemic, so the questions are out of order, in my opinion. Thank you.

I thank the honourable government House leader for his comment. Certainly the scope of the special committee on the COVID-19 pandemic does expect and anticipate that the subject matter will be related to the matter at hand, so I would ask honourable members to continue to keep within those bounds. Of course, members will also know that we're unable to gauge that until members have spoken, so I would ask members to keep on subject. Let's go back to Mr. Tochor to finish his question, and we have about two minutes remaining in this spot.

Yes, thank you, Chair. The point I was making was about transparency or lack of transparency that is hurting our efforts with COVID-19. Changing gears onto CERB, who came up with the number for CERB? Why is it $2,000? A senior gets $1,200, people with disabilities get $1,600, and now we've added another ad hoc program on top of those. I'd like to know a little more about how and who came up with those unique numbers.


On a point of order, Mr. Chair, I believe this has absolutely nothing to do with the pandemic, so the questions are out of order, in my opinion. Thank you.

I thank the honourable government House leader for his comment. Certainly the scope of the special committee on the COVID-19 pandemic does expect and anticipate that the subject matter will be related to the matter at hand, so I would ask honourable members to continue to keep within those bounds. Of course, members will also know that we're unable to gauge that until members have spoken, so I would ask members to keep on subject. Let's go back to Mr. Tochor to finish his question, and we have about two minutes remaining in this spot.

Yes, thank you, Chair. The point I was making was about transparency or lack of transparency that is hurting our efforts with COVID-19. Changing gears onto CERB, who came up with the number for CERB? Why is it $2,000? A senior gets $1,200, people with disabilities get $1,600, and now we've added another ad hoc program on top of those. I'd like to know a little more about how and who came up with those unique numbers.


I thank the honourable government House leader for his comment. Certainly the scope of the special committee on the COVID-19 pandemic does expect and anticipate that the subject matter will be related to the matter at hand, so I would ask honourable members to continue to keep within those bounds. Of course, members will also know that we're unable to gauge that until members have spoken, so I would ask members to keep on subject. Let's go back to Mr. Tochor to finish his question, and we have about two minutes remaining in this spot.

Yes, thank you, Chair. The point I was making was about transparency or lack of transparency that is hurting our efforts with COVID-19. Changing gears onto CERB, who came up with the number for CERB? Why is it $2,000? A senior gets $1,200, people with disabilities get $1,600, and now we've added another ad hoc program on top of those. I'd like to know a little more about how and who came up with those unique numbers.

Working collaboratively between ESDC and the Department of Finance, we determined that that would be an appropriate amount, based on what workers were earning and what we anticipated they would need to live on, and what we anticipated they would be losing by way of employment income.


Yes, thank you, Chair. The point I was making was about transparency or lack of transparency that is hurting our efforts with COVID-19. Changing gears onto CERB, who came up with the number for CERB? Why is it $2,000? A senior gets $1,200, people with disabilities get $1,600, and now we've added another ad hoc program on top of those. I'd like to know a little more about how and who came up with those unique numbers.

Working collaboratively between ESDC and the Department of Finance, we determined that that would be an appropriate amount, based on what workers were earning and what we anticipated they would need to live on, and what we anticipated they would be losing by way of employment income.


Working collaboratively between ESDC and the Department of Finance, we determined that that would be an appropriate amount, based on what workers were earning and what we anticipated they would need to live on, and what we anticipated they would be losing by way of employment income.

I have a really quick question, which I've heard in my office, on charities and non-profits that do not have their own payroll number and are ineligible for the wage subsidy. Does the Prime Minister have a program fix coming so that charities and non-profits can receive the wage subsidy?


I have a really quick question, which I've heard in my office, on charities and non-profits that do not have their own payroll number and are ineligible for the wage subsidy. Does the Prime Minister have a program fix coming so that charities and non-profits can receive the wage subsidy?

Mr. Chair, we understand the important role that charities and non-profits are playing to help vulnerable Canadians at this difficult time. We have announced supports in the amount of $350 million to ensure that not only do they continue that great work, but also expand it to serve the most vulnerable to get through the COVID-19 pandemic.


I have a really quick question, which I've heard in my office, on charities and non-profits that do not have their own payroll number and are ineligible for the wage subsidy. Does the Prime Minister have a program fix coming so that charities and non-profits can receive the wage subsidy?

Mr. Chair, we understand the important role that charities and non-profits are playing to help vulnerable Canadians at this difficult time. We have announced supports in the amount of $350 million to ensure that not only do they continue that great work, but also expand it to serve the most vulnerable to get through the COVID-19 pandemic.

Okay. We will move to the next questioner, Mr. Aboultaif from Edmonton Manning. Mr. Aboultaif, go ahead with your question.


Mr. Chair, we understand the important role that charities and non-profits are playing to help vulnerable Canadians at this difficult time. We have announced supports in the amount of $350 million to ensure that not only do they continue that great work, but also expand it to serve the most vulnerable to get through the COVID-19 pandemic.

Okay. We will move to the next questioner, Mr. Aboultaif from Edmonton Manning. Mr. Aboultaif, go ahead with your question.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, last week markets were shocked when leaks regarding the state of our economy came to light before the market even opened. This caused worry to investors at home and abroad about the integrity of our markets and the nature of the leak, which is, in itself, unprecedented. Section 34 of the Statistics Act indicates the following:     Every person who, after taking the oath set out in subsection 6, is guity of an offence and liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding five thousand dollars or to impreisonment for a term not exceeing five years or both:       wilfully discloses or divulges directly or indirectly to any person not entitled under this Act to receive the same any information obtained by him in the course of his employment that might exert an influence on or affect the market value of any stocks, bonds or other security or any product or article, or       uses any information described in paragraph for the purpose of speculating in any stocks, bonds or other security or any product or article   My question for the minister is this: Does the government consider this case to be subject to paragraph 34 or 34 and a criminal offence, yes or no?


Okay. We will move to the next questioner, Mr. Aboultaif from Edmonton Manning. Mr. Aboultaif, go ahead with your question.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, last week markets were shocked when leaks regarding the state of our economy came to light before the market even opened. This caused worry to investors at home and abroad about the integrity of our markets and the nature of the leak, which is, in itself, unprecedented. Section 34 of the Statistics Act indicates the following:     Every person who, after taking the oath set out in subsection 6, is guity of an offence and liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding five thousand dollars or to impreisonment for a term not exceeing five years or both:       wilfully discloses or divulges directly or indirectly to any person not entitled under this Act to receive the same any information obtained by him in the course of his employment that might exert an influence on or affect the market value of any stocks, bonds or other security or any product or article, or       uses any information described in paragraph for the purpose of speculating in any stocks, bonds or other security or any product or article   My question for the minister is this: Does the government consider this case to be subject to paragraph 34 or 34 and a criminal offence, yes or no?

Mr. Chair, my hon. colleague is absolutely right that the current situation with regard to the COVID crisis is deeply problematic, and we want to make sure that any information we share with the Canadian public with regard to economic measures or labour market numbers follows the appropriate process. The breach that occurred is completely unacceptable. Our government has denounced this breach. That breach was not the way to deal with such sensitive information. The member has alluded to several paragraphs within the Statistics Act. I can assure him that we are looking into this matter and that Statistics Canada is looking into this issue as well. Going forward, we will ensure that such a breach does not occur again, because it's important that we continue to have the confidence of Canadians during this current health care crisis.


Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, last week markets were shocked when leaks regarding the state of our economy came to light before the market even opened. This caused worry to investors at home and abroad about the integrity of our markets and the nature of the leak, which is, in itself, unprecedented. Section 34 of the Statistics Act indicates the following:     Every person who, after taking the oath set out in subsection 6, is guity of an offence and liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding five thousand dollars or to impreisonment for a term not exceeing five years or both:       wilfully discloses or divulges directly or indirectly to any person not entitled under this Act to receive the same any information obtained by him in the course of his employment that might exert an influence on or affect the market value of any stocks, bonds or other security or any product or article, or       uses any information described in paragraph for the purpose of speculating in any stocks, bonds or other security or any product or article   My question for the minister is this: Does the government consider this case to be subject to paragraph 34 or 34 and a criminal offence, yes or no?

Mr. Chair, my hon. colleague is absolutely right that the current situation with regard to the COVID crisis is deeply problematic, and we want to make sure that any information we share with the Canadian public with regard to economic measures or labour market numbers follows the appropriate process. The breach that occurred is completely unacceptable. Our government has denounced this breach. That breach was not the way to deal with such sensitive information. The member has alluded to several paragraphs within the Statistics Act. I can assure him that we are looking into this matter and that Statistics Canada is looking into this issue as well. Going forward, we will ensure that such a breach does not occur again, because it's important that we continue to have the confidence of Canadians during this current health care crisis.

Okay, I will take that as a yes. So this matter should be investigated, yes or no?


Mr. Chair, my hon. colleague is absolutely right that the current situation with regard to the COVID crisis is deeply problematic, and we want to make sure that any information we share with the Canadian public with regard to economic measures or labour market numbers follows the appropriate process. The breach that occurred is completely unacceptable. Our government has denounced this breach. That breach was not the way to deal with such sensitive information. The member has alluded to several paragraphs within the Statistics Act. I can assure him that we are looking into this matter and that Statistics Canada is looking into this issue as well. Going forward, we will ensure that such a breach does not occur again, because it's important that we continue to have the confidence of Canadians during this current health care crisis.

Okay, I will take that as a yes. So this matter should be investigated, yes or no?

As I have indicated very clearly, what has happened is completely unacceptable. This breach should not have occurred. This matter is being looked into, and we want to assure Canadians going forward that


Okay, I will take that as a yes. So this matter should be investigated, yes or no?

As I have indicated very clearly, what has happened is completely unacceptable. This breach should not have occurred. This matter is being looked into, and we want to assure Canadians going forward that

In that case, the minister said the matter will be looked into. Basically, my understanding of this case is that Statistics Canada is going to investigate itself, or does the minister think that the government should refer this to the RCMP?


As I have indicated very clearly, what has happened is completely unacceptable. This breach should not have occurred. This matter is being looked into, and we want to assure Canadians going forward that

In that case, the minister said the matter will be looked into. Basically, my understanding of this case is that Statistics Canada is going to investigate itself, or does the minister think that the government should refer this to the RCMP?

Sorry, could you repeat that question? I had a bit of an issue and could not hear the question.


In that case, the minister said the matter will be looked into. Basically, my understanding of this case is that Statistics Canada is going to investigate itself, or does the minister think that the government should refer this to the RCMP?

Sorry, could you repeat that question? I had a bit of an issue and could not hear the question.

Will Statistics Canada investigate itself or will the government refer this to the RCMP?


In that case, the minister said the matter will be looked into. Basically, my understanding of this case is that Statistics Canada is going to investigate itself, or does the minister think that the government should refer this to the RCMP?

Sorry, could you repeat that question? I had a bit of an issue and could not hear the question.

Will Statistics Canada investigate itself or will the government refer this to the RCMP?

Mr. Chair, there are appropriate protocols in place to look into such breaches. Those protocols will be followed, and the appropriate actions will be taken to ensure that such breaches do not occur going forward.


Sorry, could you repeat that question? I had a bit of an issue and could not hear the question.

Will Statistics Canada investigate itself or will the government refer this to the RCMP?

Mr. Chair, there are appropriate protocols in place to look into such breaches. Those protocols will be followed, and the appropriate actions will be taken to ensure that such breaches do not occur going forward.

Mr. Aboultaif, you have about a minute left. Go ahead.


Will Statistics Canada investigate itself or will the government refer this to the RCMP?

Mr. Chair, there are appropriate protocols in place to look into such breaches. Those protocols will be followed, and the appropriate actions will be taken to ensure that such breaches do not occur going forward.

Mr. Aboultaif, you have about a minute left. Go ahead.

The minister indicated that this will be investigated, but during the investigation into the SNC-Lavalin scandal, the Liberal staff refused to co-operate. Will the minister commit today that all Liberal staff will co-operate with this investigation?


Mr. Chair, there are appropriate protocols in place to look into such breaches. Those protocols will be followed, and the appropriate actions will be taken to ensure that such breaches do not occur going forward.

Mr. Aboultaif, you have about a minute left. Go ahead.

The minister indicated that this will be investigated, but during the investigation into the SNC-Lavalin scandal, the Liberal staff refused to co-operate. Will the minister commit today that all Liberal staff will co-operate with this investigation?

Again, we've been clear that it's important that any such breach be taken seriously. What has happened is unacceptable, and we will ensure that the appropriate steps are taken to make sure that such breaches do not occur going forward.


Mr. Aboultaif, you have about a minute left. Go ahead.

The minister indicated that this will be investigated, but during the investigation into the SNC-Lavalin scandal, the Liberal staff refused to co-operate. Will the minister commit today that all Liberal staff will co-operate with this investigation?

Again, we've been clear that it's important that any such breach be taken seriously. What has happened is unacceptable, and we will ensure that the appropriate steps are taken to make sure that such breaches do not occur going forward.

You have time for one short question, Mr. Aboultaif. Go ahead.


The minister indicated that this will be investigated, but during the investigation into the SNC-Lavalin scandal, the Liberal staff refused to co-operate. Will the minister commit today that all Liberal staff will co-operate with this investigation?

Again, we've been clear that it's important that any such breach be taken seriously. What has happened is unacceptable, and we will ensure that the appropriate steps are taken to make sure that such breaches do not occur going forward.

You have time for one short question, Mr. Aboultaif. Go ahead.

There's no doubt about the general terms, but I need to make sure that the government will commit that its staff will co-operate. Yes or no?


Again, we've been clear that it's important that any such breach be taken seriously. What has happened is unacceptable, and we will ensure that the appropriate steps are taken to make sure that such breaches do not occur going forward.

You have time for one short question, Mr. Aboultaif. Go ahead.

There's no doubt about the general terms, but I need to make sure that the government will commit that its staff will co-operate. Yes or no?

The process is very clear. The protocols are very clear. The law is very clear, and we will make sure that the process is followed and the law is upheld.


You have time for one short question, Mr. Aboultaif. Go ahead.

There's no doubt about the general terms, but I need to make sure that the government will commit that its staff will co-operate. Yes or no?

The process is very clear. The protocols are very clear. The law is very clear, and we will make sure that the process is followed and the law is upheld.


Yeah. We uh  we abandoned the lapel because they sort of were not too  not too hot , not too cold , they were  you know , they were  uh , far enough away that you got more background noise , uh , and uh  and so forth


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but they weren't so close that they got quite the  you know , the really good  No , th


but they weren't so close that they got quite the  you know , the really good  No , th

they  I mean they didn't  Wait a minute. I 'm saying that wrong. They were not so far away that they were really good representative distant mikes ,


they  I mean they didn't  Wait a minute. I 'm saying that wrong. They were not so far away that they were really good representative distant mikes ,

but on the other hand they were not so close that they got rid of all the interference. So it was no  didn't seem to be a good point to them. On the other hand if you only had to have one mike in some ways you could argue the lapel was a good choice , precisely because it 's in the middle.


but on the other hand they were not so close that they got rid of all the interference. So it was no  didn't seem to be a good point to them. On the other hand if you only had to have one mike in some ways you could argue the lapel was a good choice , precisely because it 's in the middle.

There 's uh , some kinds of junk that you get with these things that you don't get with the lapel uh , little mouth clicks and breaths and so forth are worse with these than with the lapel , but given the choice we  there seemed to be very strong opinions for uh , getting rid of lapels.


There 's uh , some kinds of junk that you get with these things that you don't get with the lapel uh , little mouth clicks and breaths and so forth are worse with these than with the lapel , but given the choice we  there seemed to be very strong opinions for uh , getting rid of lapels.


There 's uh , some kinds of junk that you get with these things that you don't get with the lapel uh , little mouth clicks and breaths and so forth are worse with these than with the lapel , but given the choice we  there seemed to be very strong opinions for uh , getting rid of lapels.

Uh , your mike number 's written on the back of that unit there.


Uh , your mike number 's written on the back of that unit there.


Uh , your mike number 's written on the back of that unit there.

And then the channel number 's usually one less than that.


And then the channel number 's usually one less than that.

It - it 's one less than what 's written on the back of your


It - it 's one less than what 's written on the back of your


And you should do a lot of talking so we get a lot more of your pronunciations. no , they don't  don't have a  have any Indian pronunciations.


And you should do a lot of talking so we get a lot more of your pronunciations. no , they don't  don't have a  have any Indian pronunciations.

So what we usually do is um , we typically will have our meetings


And you should do a lot of talking so we get a lot more of your pronunciations. no , they don't  don't have a  have any Indian pronunciations.

So what we usually do is um , we typically will have our meetings

and then at the end of the meetings we 'll read the digits. Everybody goes around and reads the digits on the  the bottom of their forms.


So what we usually do is um , we typically will have our meetings

and then at the end of the meetings we 'll read the digits. Everybody goes around and reads the digits on the  the bottom of their forms.


and then at the end of the meetings we 'll read the digits. Everybody goes around and reads the digits on the  the bottom of their forms.


Yeah. We 're  This is session R - nineteen.


Yeah. We 're  This is session R - nineteen.

If you say so. O K. Do we have anything like an agenda ? What 's going on ? Um. I guess um. So. One thing


Yeah. We 're  This is session R - nineteen.

If you say so. O K. Do we have anything like an agenda ? What 's going on ? Um. I guess um. So. One thing

Sunil 's here for the summer , right. Um , so , one thing is to talk about a kick off meeting maybe uh , and then just uh , I guess uh , progress reports individually , and then uh , plans for where we go between now and then , pretty much. Um.


If you say so. O K. Do we have anything like an agenda ? What 's going on ? Um. I guess um. So. One thing

Sunil 's here for the summer , right. Um , so , one thing is to talk about a kick off meeting maybe uh , and then just uh , I guess uh , progress reports individually , and then uh , plans for where we go between now and then , pretty much. Um.

I could say a few words about um , some of the uh , compute stuff that 's happening around here , so that people in the group know.


Sunil 's here for the summer , right. Um , so , one thing is to talk about a kick off meeting maybe uh , and then just uh , I guess uh , progress reports individually , and then uh , plans for where we go between now and then , pretty much. Um.

I could say a few words about um , some of the uh , compute stuff that 's happening around here , so that people in the group know.

Mm - hmm. OK. Why don't you start with that ? That 's sort of


I could say a few words about um , some of the uh , compute stuff that 's happening around here , so that people in the group know.

Mm - hmm. OK. Why don't you start with that ? That 's sort of


Mm - hmm. OK. Why don't you start with that ? That 's sort of

We um  So we just put in an order for about twelve new machines , uh , to use as sort of a compute farm. And um , uh , we ordered uh , SUN - Blade - one - hundreds , and um , I 'm not sure exactly how long it 'll take for those to come in , but , uh , in addition , we 're running  So the plan for using these is , uh , we 're running P - make and Customs here and Andreas has sort of gotten that all uh , fixed up and up to speed. And he 's got a number of little utilities that make it very easy to um ,  run things using P - make and Customs. You don't actually have to write P - make scripts and things like that. The simplest thing  And I can send an email around or , maybe I should do an FAQ on the web site about it or something. Um ,


We um  So we just put in an order for about twelve new machines , uh , to use as sort of a compute farm. And um , uh , we ordered uh , SUN - Blade - one - hundreds , and um , I 'm not sure exactly how long it 'll take for those to come in , but , uh , in addition , we 're running  So the plan for using these is , uh , we 're running P - make and Customs here and Andreas has sort of gotten that all uh , fixed up and up to speed. And he 's got a number of little utilities that make it very easy to um ,  run things using P - make and Customs. You don't actually have to write P - make scripts and things like that. The simplest thing  And I can send an email around or , maybe I should do an FAQ on the web site about it or something. Um ,

How about an email that points to the FAQ ,


How about an email that points to the FAQ ,


Uh , there 's a command , uh , that you can use called " run command ". " Run dash command " , " run hyphen command ". And , if you say that and then some job that you want to execute , uh , it will find the fastest currently available machine , and export your job to that machine , and uh  and run it there and it 'll duplicate your environment. So you can try this as a simple test with uh , the L S command. So you can say " run dash command L S " , and , um , it 'll actually export that  LS command to some machine in the institute , and um , do an LS on your current directory. So , substitute LS for whatever command you want to run , and um  And that 's a simple way to get started using  using this. And , so , soon , when we get all the new machines up ,  um , e then we 'll have lots more compute to use. Now th one of the nice things is that uh , each machine that 's part of the P - make and Customs network has attributes associated with it. Uh , attributes like how much memory the machine has , what its speed is , what its operating system , and when you use something like " run command " , you can specify those attributes for your program. For example if you only want your thing to run under Linux , you can give it the Linux attribute , and then it will find the fastest available Linux machine and run it on that. So. You can control where your jobs go , to a certain extent , all the way down to an individual machine. Each machine has an attribute which is the name of itself. So you can give that as an attribute and it 'll only run on that. If there 's already a job running , on some machine that you 're trying to select , your job will get queued up , and then when that resource , that machine becomes available , your job will get exported there. So , there 's a lot of nice features to it and it kinda helps to balance the load of the machines and uh , right now Andreas and I have been the main ones using it and we 're  Uh. The SRI recognizer has all this P - make customs stuff built into it.


Uh , there 's a command , uh , that you can use called " run command ". " Run dash command " , " run hyphen command ". And , if you say that and then some job that you want to execute , uh , it will find the fastest currently available machine , and export your job to that machine , and uh  and run it there and it 'll duplicate your environment. So you can try this as a simple test with uh , the L S command. So you can say " run dash command L S " , and , um , it 'll actually export that  LS command to some machine in the institute , and um , do an LS on your current directory. So , substitute LS for whatever command you want to run , and um  And that 's a simple way to get started using  using this. And , so , soon , when we get all the new machines up ,  um , e then we 'll have lots more compute to use. Now th one of the nice things is that uh , each machine that 's part of the P - make and Customs network has attributes associated with it. Uh , attributes like how much memory the machine has , what its speed is , what its operating system , and when you use something like " run command " , you can specify those attributes for your program. For example if you only want your thing to run under Linux , you can give it the Linux attribute , and then it will find the fastest available Linux machine and run it on that. So. You can control where your jobs go , to a certain extent , all the way down to an individual machine. Each machine has an attribute which is the name of itself. So you can give that as an attribute and it 'll only run on that. If there 's already a job running , on some machine that you 're trying to select , your job will get queued up , and then when that resource , that machine becomes available , your job will get exported there. So , there 's a lot of nice features to it and it kinda helps to balance the load of the machines and uh , right now Andreas and I have been the main ones using it and we 're  Uh. The SRI recognizer has all this P - make customs stuff built into it.

So as I understand , you know , he 's using all the machines and you 're using all the machines ,


So as I understand , you know , he 's using all the machines and you 're using all the machines ,

Yeah. Exactly. Yeah , you know , I  I sort of got started  using the recognizer just recently and uh , uh I fired off a training job , and then I fired off a recognition job and I get this email about midnight from Andreas saying , " uh , are you running two  trainings simultaneously s my m my jobs are not getting run. " So I had to back off a little bit. But , soon as we get some more machines then uh  then we 'll have more compute available. So , um , that 's just a quick update about what we 've got. So.


Yeah. Exactly. Yeah , you know , I  I sort of got started  using the recognizer just recently and uh , uh I fired off a training job , and then I fired off a recognition job and I get this email about midnight from Andreas saying , " uh , are you running two  trainings simultaneously s my m my jobs are not getting run. " So I had to back off a little bit. But , soon as we get some more machines then uh  then we 'll have more compute available. So , um , that 's just a quick update about what we 've got. So.

Um , I have  I have a question about the uh , parallelization ?


Yeah. Exactly. Yeah , you know , I  I sort of got started  using the recognizer just recently and uh , uh I fired off a training job , and then I fired off a recognition job and I get this email about midnight from Andreas saying , " uh , are you running two  trainings simultaneously s my m my jobs are not getting run. " So I had to back off a little bit. But , soon as we get some more machines then uh  then we 'll have more compute available. So , um , that 's just a quick update about what we 've got. So.

Um , I have  I have a question about the uh , parallelization ?

So , um , let 's say I have like , a thousand little  little jobs to do ?


Um , I have  I have a question about the uh , parallelization ?

So , um , let 's say I have like , a thousand little  little jobs to do ?


So , um , let 's say I have like , a thousand little  little jobs to do ?

Um , how do I do it with " run command " ? I mean do


So , um , let 's say I have like , a thousand little  little jobs to do ?

Um , how do I do it with " run command " ? I mean do

You could write a script uh , which called run command on each sub - job


Um , how do I do it with " run command " ? I mean do

You could write a script uh , which called run command on each sub - job


Um , how do I do it with " run command " ? I mean do

You could write a script uh , which called run command on each sub - job

right ? But you probably wanna be careful with that


You could write a script uh , which called run command on each sub - job

right ? But you probably wanna be careful with that


right ? But you probably wanna be careful with that

because um , you don't wanna saturate the network. Uh , so , um , you know , you should  you should probably not run more than , say ten jobs yourself at any one time , uh , just because then it would keep other people


because um , you don't wanna saturate the network. Uh , so , um , you know , you should  you should probably not run more than , say ten jobs yourself at any one time , uh , just because then it would keep other people

Well it 's not that so much as that , you know , e with  if everybody ran fifty jobs at once then it would just bring everything to a halt and , you know , people 's jobs would get delayed , so it 's sort of a sharing thing. Um ,


Well it 's not that so much as that , you know , e with  if everybody ran fifty jobs at once then it would just bring everything to a halt and , you know , people 's jobs would get delayed , so it 's sort of a sharing thing. Um ,

so you should try to limit it to somet sometim some number around ten jobs at a time. Um. So if you had a script for example that had a thousand things it needed to run , um , you 'd somehow need to put some logic in there if you were gonna use " run command " , uh , to only have ten of those going at a time. And uh , then , when one of those finished you 'd fire off another one. Um ,


Well it 's not that so much as that , you know , e with  if everybody ran fifty jobs at once then it would just bring everything to a halt and , you know , people 's jobs would get delayed , so it 's sort of a sharing thing. Um ,

so you should try to limit it to somet sometim some number around ten jobs at a time. Um. So if you had a script for example that had a thousand things it needed to run , um , you 'd somehow need to put some logic in there if you were gonna use " run command " , uh , to only have ten of those going at a time. And uh , then , when one of those finished you 'd fire off another one. Um ,

I remember I  I forget whether it was when the Rutgers or  or Hopkins workshop , I remember one of the workshops I was at there were  everybody was real excited cuz they got twenty - five machines and there was some kind of P - make like thing that sit sent things out.


so you should try to limit it to somet sometim some number around ten jobs at a time. Um. So if you had a script for example that had a thousand things it needed to run , um , you 'd somehow need to put some logic in there if you were gonna use " run command " , uh , to only have ten of those going at a time. And uh , then , when one of those finished you 'd fire off another one. Um ,

I remember I  I forget whether it was when the Rutgers or  or Hopkins workshop , I remember one of the workshops I was at there were  everybody was real excited cuz they got twenty - five machines and there was some kind of P - make like thing that sit sent things out.


so you should try to limit it to somet sometim some number around ten jobs at a time. Um. So if you had a script for example that had a thousand things it needed to run , um , you 'd somehow need to put some logic in there if you were gonna use " run command " , uh , to only have ten of those going at a time. And uh , then , when one of those finished you 'd fire off another one. Um ,

I remember I  I forget whether it was when the Rutgers or  or Hopkins workshop , I remember one of the workshops I was at there were  everybody was real excited cuz they got twenty - five machines and there was some kind of P - make like thing that sit sent things out.

So all twenty - five people were sending things to all twenty - five machines


I remember I  I forget whether it was when the Rutgers or  or Hopkins workshop , I remember one of the workshops I was at there were  everybody was real excited cuz they got twenty - five machines and there was some kind of P - make like thing that sit sent things out.

So all twenty - five people were sending things to all twenty - five machines


So all twenty - five people were sending things to all twenty - five machines

and  and things were a lot less efficient than if you 'd just use your own machine.


So all twenty - five people were sending things to all twenty - five machines

and  and things were a lot less efficient than if you 'd just use your own machine.

Yeah. Yep. Yeah , exactly. Yeah , you have to be a little bit careful.


and  and things were a lot less efficient than if you 'd just use your own machine.

Yeah. Yep. Yeah , exactly. Yeah , you have to be a little bit careful.


Yeah. Yep. Yeah , exactly. Yeah , you have to be a little bit careful.

Um , but uh , you can also  If you have that level of parallelization um , and you don't wanna have to worry about writing the logic in  in a Perl script to take care of that , you can use um , P - make


Um , but uh , you can also  If you have that level of parallelization um , and you don't wanna have to worry about writing the logic in  in a Perl script to take care of that , you can use um , P - make


Um , but uh , you can also  If you have that level of parallelization um , and you don't wanna have to worry about writing the logic in  in a Perl script to take care of that , you can use um , P - make

and  and you basically write a Make file that uh , you know your final job depends on these one thousand things ,


and  and you basically write a Make file that uh , you know your final job depends on these one thousand things ,

and when you run P - make , uh , on your Make file , you can give it the dash capital J and  and then a number ,


and when you run P - make , uh , on your Make file , you can give it the dash capital J and  and then a number ,

and that number represents how many uh , machines to use at once. And then it 'll make sure that it never goes above that.


and that number represents how many uh , machines to use at once. And then it 'll make sure that it never goes above that.


So it  it 's  it 's not systematically queued. I mean all the jobs are running. If you launch twenty jobs , they are all running. Alright.


So it  it 's  it 's not systematically queued. I mean all the jobs are running. If you launch twenty jobs , they are all running. Alright.

It depends. If you  " Run command " , that I mentioned before , is  doesn't know about other things that you might be running.


So it  it 's  it 's not systematically queued. I mean all the jobs are running. If you launch twenty jobs , they are all running. Alright.

It depends. If you  " Run command " , that I mentioned before , is  doesn't know about other things that you might be running.

So , it would be possible to run a hundred run jobs at once ,


It depends. If you  " Run command " , that I mentioned before , is  doesn't know about other things that you might be running.

So , it would be possible to run a hundred run jobs at once ,


So , it would be possible to run a hundred run jobs at once ,

and they wouldn't know about each other. But if you use P - make , then , it knows about all the jobs that it has to run


and they wouldn't know about each other. But if you use P - make , then , it knows about all the jobs that it has to run

and it can control , uh , how many it runs simultaneously.


and they wouldn't know about each other. But if you use P - make , then , it knows about all the jobs that it has to run

and it can control , uh , how many it runs simultaneously.

So " run command " doesn't use P - make , or  ?


and it can control , uh , how many it runs simultaneously.

So " run command " doesn't use P - make , or  ?

It uses " export " underlyingly. But , if you  i It 's meant to be run one job at a time ? So you could fire off a thousand of those , and it doesn't know  any one of those doesn't know about the other ones that are running.


and it can control , uh , how many it runs simultaneously.

So " run command " doesn't use P - make , or  ?

It uses " export " underlyingly. But , if you  i It 's meant to be run one job at a time ? So you could fire off a thousand of those , and it doesn't know  any one of those doesn't know about the other ones that are running.

So why would one use that rather than P - make ?


So " run command " doesn't use P - make , or  ?

It uses " export " underlyingly. But , if you  i It 's meant to be run one job at a time ? So you could fire off a thousand of those , and it doesn't know  any one of those doesn't know about the other ones that are running.

So why would one use that rather than P - make ?

Well , if you have , um  Like , for example , uh if you didn't wanna write a P - make script and you just had a , uh  an HTK training job that you know is gonna take uh , six hours to run , and somebody 's using , uh , the machine you typically use , you can say " run command " and your HTK thing and it 'll find another machine , the fastest currently available machine and  and run your job there.


It uses " export " underlyingly. But , if you  i It 's meant to be run one job at a time ? So you could fire off a thousand of those , and it doesn't know  any one of those doesn't know about the other ones that are running.

So why would one use that rather than P - make ?

Well , if you have , um  Like , for example , uh if you didn't wanna write a P - make script and you just had a , uh  an HTK training job that you know is gonna take uh , six hours to run , and somebody 's using , uh , the machine you typically use , you can say " run command " and your HTK thing and it 'll find another machine , the fastest currently available machine and  and run your job there.

Now , does it have the same sort of behavior as P - make , which is that , you know , if you run something on somebody 's machine and they come in and hit a key then it


So why would one use that rather than P - make ?

Well , if you have , um  Like , for example , uh if you didn't wanna write a P - make script and you just had a , uh  an HTK training job that you know is gonna take uh , six hours to run , and somebody 's using , uh , the machine you typically use , you can say " run command " and your HTK thing and it 'll find another machine , the fastest currently available machine and  and run your job there.

Now , does it have the same sort of behavior as P - make , which is that , you know , if you run something on somebody 's machine and they come in and hit a key then it

Yes. Yeah , there are um  Right. So some of the machines at the institute , um , have this attribute called " no evict ". And if you specify that , in  in one of your attribute lines , then it 'll go to a machine which your job won't be evicted from.


Well , if you have , um  Like , for example , uh if you didn't wanna write a P - make script and you just had a , uh  an HTK training job that you know is gonna take uh , six hours to run , and somebody 's using , uh , the machine you typically use , you can say " run command " and your HTK thing and it 'll find another machine , the fastest currently available machine and  and run your job there.

Now , does it have the same sort of behavior as P - make , which is that , you know , if you run something on somebody 's machine and they come in and hit a key then it

Yes. Yeah , there are um  Right. So some of the machines at the institute , um , have this attribute called " no evict ". And if you specify that , in  in one of your attribute lines , then it 'll go to a machine which your job won't be evicted from.


Now , does it have the same sort of behavior as P - make , which is that , you know , if you run something on somebody 's machine and they come in and hit a key then it

Yes. Yeah , there are um  Right. So some of the machines at the institute , um , have this attribute called " no evict ". And if you specify that , in  in one of your attribute lines , then it 'll go to a machine which your job won't be evicted from.

But , the machines that don't have that attribute , if a job gets fired up on that , which could be somebody 's desktop machine , and  and they were at lunch ,


Yes. Yeah , there are um  Right. So some of the machines at the institute , um , have this attribute called " no evict ". And if you specify that , in  in one of your attribute lines , then it 'll go to a machine which your job won't be evicted from.

But , the machines that don't have that attribute , if a job gets fired up on that , which could be somebody 's desktop machine , and  and they were at lunch ,


But , the machines that don't have that attribute , if a job gets fired up on that , which could be somebody 's desktop machine , and  and they were at lunch ,

they come back from lunch and they start typing on the console , then your machine will get evicted  your job  will get evicted from their machine and be restarted on another machine. Automatically. So  which can cause you to lose time , right ? If you had a two hour job , and it got halfway through and then somebody came back to their machine and it got evicted. So. If you don't want your job to run on a machine where it could be evicted , then you give it the minus  the attribute , you know , " no evict " , and it 'll pick a machine that it can't be evicted from. So.


But , the machines that don't have that attribute , if a job gets fired up on that , which could be somebody 's desktop machine , and  and they were at lunch ,

they come back from lunch and they start typing on the console , then your machine will get evicted  your job  will get evicted from their machine and be restarted on another machine. Automatically. So  which can cause you to lose time , right ? If you had a two hour job , and it got halfway through and then somebody came back to their machine and it got evicted. So. If you don't want your job to run on a machine where it could be evicted , then you give it the minus  the attribute , you know , " no evict " , and it 'll pick a machine that it can't be evicted from. So.

Um , what  what about  I remember always used to be an issue , maybe it 's not anymore , that if you  if something required  if your machine required somebody hitting a key in order to evict things that are on it so you could work , but if you were logged into it from home ?


they come back from lunch and they start typing on the console , then your machine will get evicted  your job  will get evicted from their machine and be restarted on another machine. Automatically. So  which can cause you to lose time , right ? If you had a two hour job , and it got halfway through and then somebody came back to their machine and it got evicted. So. If you don't want your job to run on a machine where it could be evicted , then you give it the minus  the attribute , you know , " no evict " , and it 'll pick a machine that it can't be evicted from. So.

Um , what  what about  I remember always used to be an issue , maybe it 's not anymore , that if you  if something required  if your machine required somebody hitting a key in order to evict things that are on it so you could work , but if you were logged into it from home ?


they come back from lunch and they start typing on the console , then your machine will get evicted  your job  will get evicted from their machine and be restarted on another machine. Automatically. So  which can cause you to lose time , right ? If you had a two hour job , and it got halfway through and then somebody came back to their machine and it got evicted. So. If you don't want your job to run on a machine where it could be evicted , then you give it the minus  the attribute , you know , " no evict " , and it 'll pick a machine that it can't be evicted from. So.

Um , what  what about  I remember always used to be an issue , maybe it 's not anymore , that if you  if something required  if your machine required somebody hitting a key in order to evict things that are on it so you could work , but if you were logged into it from home ?

and you weren't hitting any keys ? cuz you were , home ?


Um , what  what about  I remember always used to be an issue , maybe it 's not anymore , that if you  if something required  if your machine required somebody hitting a key in order to evict things that are on it so you could work , but if you were logged into it from home ?

and you weren't hitting any keys ? cuz you were , home ?


and you weren't hitting any keys ? cuz you were , home ?


and you weren't hitting any keys ? cuz you were , home ?

Uh , it seems like Andreas did something for that.


Uh , it seems like Andreas did something for that.


But  Yeah. I don't know whether it monitors the keyboard or actually looks at the console TTY , so maybe if you echoed something to the you know , dev  dev console or something.


But  Yeah. I don't know whether it monitors the keyboard or actually looks at the console TTY , so maybe if you echoed something to the you know , dev  dev console or something.

You probably wouldn't ordinarily , though. Yeah. Right ? You probably wouldn't ordinarily.