I'll be your Project Manager for today , for this project. My name is Mark  will be giving this presentation for you to kick the project off.  That's my uh that's the agenda for today. Well , of course we're new to each other , so I'd like to get acquainted first. So let's do that first , I mean  Let's start with you , can you introduce yourself ? You're our Marketing Expert.


I'll be your Project Manager for today , for this project. My name is Mark  will be giving this presentation for you to kick the project off.  That's my uh that's the agenda for today. Well , of course we're new to each other , so I'd like to get acquainted first. So let's do that first , I mean  Let's start with you , can you introduce yourself ? You're our Marketing Expert.

Yes.  Um my name is Dirk , Dirk Meinfeld. Um I will be uh  Pr Project  the Marketing Expert. And I will see what the user wants and uh what we can do uh with the new produ project  product.


I'll be your Project Manager for today , for this project. My name is Mark  will be giving this presentation for you to kick the project off.  That's my uh that's the agenda for today. Well , of course we're new to each other , so I'd like to get acquainted first. So let's do that first , I mean  Let's start with you , can you introduce yourself ? You're our Marketing Expert.

Yes.  Um my name is Dirk , Dirk Meinfeld. Um I will be uh  Pr Project  the Marketing Expert. And I will see what the user wants and uh what we can do uh with the new produ project  product.

Okay , excellent. And you are User Interface


Yes.  Um my name is Dirk , Dirk Meinfeld. Um I will be uh  Pr Project  the Marketing Expert. And I will see what the user wants and uh what we can do uh with the new produ project  product.

Okay , excellent. And you are User Interface


Okay , excellent. And you are User Interface

User Interface Designer. I'm going to uh look at the technical design from the uh user point of view.


User Interface Designer. I'm going to uh look at the technical design from the uh user point of view.


User Interface Designer. I'm going to uh look at the technical design from the uh user point of view.

My name is Xavier Juergens , I'm the Industrial Designer , and there are three main questions that I have to find an answer to today. First one is uh what happens inside the apparatus , second is what is uh the apparatus made of ,


My name is Xavier Juergens , I'm the Industrial Designer , and there are three main questions that I have to find an answer to today. First one is uh what happens inside the apparatus , second is what is uh the apparatus made of ,

and the third is what should it look like.


and the third is what should it look like.


and the third is what should it look like.

Oh , let's kick it off. Oh , there we go. So , our new project is about  we need design a remote control for television set , so , which has to be original , trendy and user-friendly. I took this off our corporate website.  I think well it sums up what we need to do. It's We're inspired by latest fashion , not only electronics , but also the latest trends in clothes and interior design. That's why our product will always fit in your home. So apparently we need to  um be very at um very open to what's currently hot in the market. So that's what you need to do to bring us the latest info and what people want.


Oh , let's kick it off. Oh , there we go. So , our new project is about  we need design a remote control for television set , so , which has to be original , trendy and user-friendly. I took this off our corporate website.  I think well it sums up what we need to do. It's We're inspired by latest fashion , not only electronics , but also the latest trends in clothes and interior design. That's why our product will always fit in your home. So apparently we need to  um be very at um very open to what's currently hot in the market. So that's what you need to do to bring us the latest info and what people want.


Oh , let's kick it off. Oh , there we go. So , our new project is about  we need design a remote control for television set , so , which has to be original , trendy and user-friendly. I took this off our corporate website.  I think well it sums up what we need to do. It's We're inspired by latest fashion , not only electronics , but also the latest trends in clothes and interior design. That's why our product will always fit in your home. So apparently we need to  um be very at um very open to what's currently hot in the market. So that's what you need to do to bring us the latest info and what people want.

So  So we put the fashion in electronics. So that's what we need to go for. Anyway , we'll take this project in three steps , three pha uh three phase of design. First step will be the functional design.


So  So we put the fashion in electronics. So that's what we need to go for. Anyway , we'll take this project in three steps , three pha uh three phase of design. First step will be the functional design.

And that's basically what we're gonna do. Everybody has uh a piece of individual work and a meeting afterwards , so we can share information about  So I'm gonna keep this short , since we had a technical problem. So skip through this. Uh. Okay. Every meeting we  everybody can present their uh their views and everything , so to help with these , you have  we have the SMARTboards here. We can use a regular PowerPoint presentation. I'm supposed to give you an introduction on this doodling board , so it's  actually it's very easy. Like it says , very simple , you just take out the pen. Like you see here , I'll just take the  take  here. That's it , you just put it on the board. You see a pen here. You go here , just like using a pen. You can just draw whatever you want. It's like the eraser , can erase whatever you want. And so it will be easy just to illustrate your views , if you wanna change the format , you just  either take out jus just like the pen , and whatever you want , your current colour , your line width , just to make the line bigger. So it should be really easy.


And that's basically what we're gonna do. Everybody has uh a piece of individual work and a meeting afterwards , so we can share information about  So I'm gonna keep this short , since we had a technical problem. So skip through this. Uh. Okay. Every meeting we  everybody can present their uh their views and everything , so to help with these , you have  we have the SMARTboards here. We can use a regular PowerPoint presentation. I'm supposed to give you an introduction on this doodling board , so it's  actually it's very easy. Like it says , very simple , you just take out the pen. Like you see here , I'll just take the  take  here. That's it , you just put it on the board. You see a pen here. You go here , just like using a pen. You can just draw whatever you want. It's like the eraser , can erase whatever you want. And so it will be easy just to illustrate your views , if you wanna change the format , you just  either take out jus just like the pen , and whatever you want , your current colour , your line width , just to make the line bigger. So it should be really easy.

This is to take the  just take a new slide and back again. We're just gonna keep using this board all the time , so I think it will be  it's very clear for everyone , I suppose. So I'll take this out.  Okay. We'll use that later. Anyway. Yeah , just just just stuff that you wanna share , just put it in the in the project folder , like I put my presentation now. I'll put the the minutes of every meeting , I'll put them there too , so everybody can read up if they have to leave early or whatever. So next , been here.  Well ,  gonna give the electronic white-board uh a shot. So basic idea is we have a blank sheet. Just try whatever you want , and like it says , draw your favourite animal. I think the creative genius should go first.


This is to take the  just take a new slide and back again. We're just gonna keep using this board all the time , so I think it will be  it's very clear for everyone , I suppose. So I'll take this out.  Okay. We'll use that later. Anyway. Yeah , just just just stuff that you wanna share , just put it in the in the project folder , like I put my presentation now. I'll put the the minutes of every meeting , I'll put them there too , so everybody can read up if they have to leave early or whatever. So next , been here.  Well ,  gonna give the electronic white-board uh a shot. So basic idea is we have a blank sheet. Just try whatever you want , and like it says , draw your favourite animal. I think the creative genius should go first.


Well , I'm more into the technical aspects of drawing ,


Well , I'm more into the technical aspects of drawing ,

so I'm not really good at drawing animals ,


so I'm not really good at drawing animals ,


Uh format. Else my animal will be like king-size. I pretty much like  a dolphin , because of its uh its freedom basically. Let's see. A head.  actually worked with this. It's like uh it's a very  Uh high-tech.


We want a high-responsive product. So  It looks more like nuclear bomb.


We want a high-responsive product. So  It looks more like nuclear bomb.

This thing isn't doing what I'm  What I want.


This thing isn't doing what I'm  What I want.


This thing isn't doing what I'm  What I want.

So   Yeah , well it does look like a nuclear bomb.


This thing isn't doing what I'm  What I want.

So   Yeah , well it does look like a nuclear bomb.

I'll just finish up real soon , because I'm


So   Yeah , well it does look like a nuclear bomb.

I'll just finish up real soon , because I'm

So it doesn't really look like a dolphin ,


I'll just finish up real soon , because I'm

So it doesn't really look like a dolphin ,

but then again , this is all new for me.


So it doesn't really look like a dolphin ,

but then again , this is all new for me.

it should  It  It's supposed to be a dolphin , you like the freedom that it  that it represents.


but then again , this is all new for me.

it should  It  It's supposed to be a dolphin , you like the freedom that it  that it represents.


but then again , this is all new for me.

it should  It  It's supposed to be a dolphin , you like the freedom that it  that it represents.

Like the ocean , like swimming. Do that in my spare time , so that's basically an


it should  It  It's supposed to be a dolphin , you like the freedom that it  that it represents.

Like the ocean , like swimming. Do that in my spare time , so that's basically an


Like the ocean , like swimming. Do that in my spare time , so that's basically an


Like the ocean , like swimming. Do that in my spare time , so that's basically an

our Marketing Expert. Show us an animal.


our Marketing Expert. Show us an animal.


pick a clean sheet. Oh. Take a clean sheet first.


pick a clean sheet. Oh. Take a clean sheet first.

Oh yeah. Oh , a blank. Okay , next. Free , I like the elephant. It's big , it's strong , so uh uh  Oh , it's a little bit


Oh yeah. Oh , a blank. Okay , next. Free , I like the elephant. It's big , it's strong , so uh uh  Oh , it's a little bit


Oh , you have to p press it pretty hard. With a smile on it ,


And you was making comments on my dolphin.


So I suggest you make us the elephant in the market. The big and strong player in the market. This would be good.


Okay , well the animal I'd like to draw is a tiger.


They are really bad , my drawing skills.


I'm not sure how the legs should go , but


I'm not sure how the legs should go , but

I've picked this animal because it's very fast. It is uh it knows exactly what it wants. Uh it hardly ever wastes any resources.


I've picked this animal because it's very fast. It is uh it knows exactly what it wants. Uh it hardly ever wastes any resources.


I've picked this animal because it's very fast. It is uh it knows exactly what it wants. Uh it hardly ever wastes any resources.

Uh well , basically uh it hunts for prey , but it does it always in a very well-thought way. Uh it knows exactly what it wants. It never kills an animal uh just for the killing , so it's very efficient. And it tries to do everything as fast as possible.


Uh well , basically uh it hunts for prey , but it does it always in a very well-thought way. Uh it knows exactly what it wants. It never kills an animal uh just for the killing , so it's very efficient. And it tries to do everything as fast as possible.

And it always goes for uh security , in seeking uh uh a hide spot and uh and doing everything ,


And it always goes for uh security , in seeking uh uh a hide spot and uh and doing everything ,

security , speed and efficiency is important. And I think uh those things we can use.


security , speed and efficiency is important. And I think uh those things we can use.


security , speed and efficiency is important. And I think uh those things we can use.

, I'm supposed to draw the animal next. Yay I introduce to the world the amazing ant.


, I'm supposed to draw the animal next. Yay I introduce to the world the amazing ant.


Do everything to Uh really small , but together they're really strong. So I'm gonna give it a smiley face.


Do everything to Uh really small , but together they're really strong. So I'm gonna give it a smiley face.

Not sure where the p . Just put 'em here. Whatever.


Not sure where the p . Just put 'em here. Whatever.


Not sure where the p . Just put 'em here. Whatever.

I'm just too lazy to draw it all black , so   That's the coolest ant ever.


I'm just too lazy to draw it all black , so   That's the coolest ant ever.


I'm just too lazy to draw it all black , so   That's the coolest ant ever.

Anyway  Nah.  Just  I think it's very representative what we drew , I guess. Like you take  just take your freedom and use a a trendy interface that you design for us.


Anyway  Nah.  Just  I think it's very representative what we drew , I guess. Like you take  just take your freedom and use a a trendy interface that you design for us.


Anyway  Nah.  Just  I think it's very representative what we drew , I guess. Like you take  just take your freedom and use a a trendy interface that you design for us.

Just  Yeah. You're supposed to make i make it different from uh from what other people have , and just make it a little distinct. Anyway.  another beep to stop the meeting. See. Warning. Finish meeting now. Uh put this down. Examples. Well I guess we have a little little time extra , but  Just a little quick discussion to to open open our work. So what do you guys think about  The first idea is just very short. I'll start with you. What are y What are your first ideas for the new product ? What


Anyway  Nah.  Just  I think it's very representative what we drew , I guess. Like you take  just take your freedom and use a a trendy interface that you design for us.

Just  Yeah. You're supposed to make i make it different from uh from what other people have , and just make it a little distinct. Anyway.  another beep to stop the meeting. See. Warning. Finish meeting now. Uh put this down. Examples. Well I guess we have a little little time extra , but  Just a little quick discussion to to open open our work. So what do you guys think about  The first idea is just very short. I'll start with you. What are y What are your first ideas for the new product ? What

Well , I basically had a question. Do  uh  Are we going to introduce a multi remote control ? Is it just the T_V_ or do we want to in


Just  Yeah. You're supposed to make i make it different from uh from what other people have , and just make it a little distinct. Anyway.  another beep to stop the meeting. See. Warning. Finish meeting now. Uh put this down. Examples. Well I guess we have a little little time extra , but  Just a little quick discussion to to open open our work. So what do you guys think about  The first idea is just very short. I'll start with you. What are y What are your first ideas for the new product ? What

Well , I basically had a question. Do  uh  Are we going to introduce a multi remote control ? Is it just the T_V_ or do we want to in

The project I got was just for a T_V_ remote control.


Well , I basically had a question. Do  uh  Are we going to introduce a multi remote control ? Is it just the T_V_ or do we want to in

The project I got was just for a T_V_ remote control.


The project I got was just for a T_V_ remote control.


Okay. Well , I was thinking about design remote control , with our uh motto and all.


Okay. Well , I was thinking about design remote control , with our uh motto and all.

Uh thing to keep in mind is that we need to stick to what people are familiar with.


Uh thing to keep in mind is that we need to stick to what people are familiar with.

No rational changes or whatever , 'cause it  revolutionary changes ,


Uh thing to keep in mind is that we need to stick to what people are familiar with.

No rational changes or whatever , 'cause it  revolutionary changes ,

Okay , so very intuitive design , I guess.


No rational changes or whatever , 'cause it  revolutionary changes ,

Okay , so very intuitive design , I guess.

yes.  Uh we might have to consider other design aspects of our product. So that was something I wanted to add ,


No rational changes or whatever , 'cause it  revolutionary changes ,

Okay , so very intuitive design , I guess.

yes.  Uh we might have to consider other design aspects of our product. So that was something I wanted to add ,

and perhaps some usability aspect. T_V_ is becoming central in most homes. Do we want people who are disabled in any way to uh , yeah , to be able to use it as well ?


Okay , so very intuitive design , I guess.

yes.  Uh we might have to consider other design aspects of our product. So that was something I wanted to add ,

and perhaps some usability aspect. T_V_ is becoming central in most homes. Do we want people who are disabled in any way to uh , yeah , to be able to use it as well ?

Yeah , we want  I suppose we want almost everyone to be using it. So  I think  I mean , really disabled people , yeah ,  might be a problem , but I think it's a little  take it into consideration. Um yeah. I think we really need to cut the meeting short. You have anything you wanna share quickly ?


yes.  Uh we might have to consider other design aspects of our product. So that was something I wanted to add ,

and perhaps some usability aspect. T_V_ is becoming central in most homes. Do we want people who are disabled in any way to uh , yeah , to be able to use it as well ?

Yeah , we want  I suppose we want almost everyone to be using it. So  I think  I mean , really disabled people , yeah ,  might be a problem , but I think it's a little  take it into consideration. Um yeah. I think we really need to cut the meeting short. You have anything you wanna share quickly ?


and perhaps some usability aspect. T_V_ is becoming central in most homes. Do we want people who are disabled in any way to uh , yeah , to be able to use it as well ?

Yeah , we want  I suppose we want almost everyone to be using it. So  I think  I mean , really disabled people , yeah ,  might be a problem , but I think it's a little  take it into consideration. Um yeah. I think we really need to cut the meeting short. You have anything you wanna share quickly ?


Yeah , we want  I suppose we want almost everyone to be using it. So  I think  I mean , really disabled people , yeah ,  might be a problem , but I think it's a little  take it into consideration. Um yeah. I think we really need to cut the meeting short. You have anything you wanna share quickly ?

Only one thing uh that has to be added according to me is uh the the material it is made of , it should be something light.


Only one thing uh that has to be added according to me is uh the the material it is made of , it should be something light.


where did I  Let's skip that. Oh , this is it. Sorry , I skipped this sheet.


where did I  Let's skip that. Oh , this is it. Sorry , I skipped this sheet.

What do we  This  Quick   What we're going to  Selling price , twenty five Euros. That's for you. The production price , twelve and a half Euros , approximately.


What do we  This  Quick   What we're going to  Selling price , twenty five Euros. That's for you. The production price , twelve and a half Euros , approximately.

Just go go for that. We'll reach the uh reach that profit.


Just go go for that. We'll reach the uh reach that profit.


Hi. I think we 've met before , like , I remember talking to you about Aspect or something like that at some point or other.


And you were my GSI briefly , until I dropped the class.


OK. Some in some introductions are in order.


So. Um. For those who don't know  Everyone knows me , this is great. Um , apart from that , sort of the old gang , Johno and Bhaskara have been with us from  from day one


So. Um. For those who don't know  Everyone knows me , this is great. Um , apart from that , sort of the old gang , Johno and Bhaskara have been with us from  from day one

and um they 're engaged in  in various activities , some of which you will hear about today. Ami is um our counselor and spiritual guidance and um also interested in problems concerning reference of the more complex type ,


and um they 're engaged in  in various activities , some of which you will hear about today. Ami is um our counselor and spiritual guidance and um also interested in problems concerning reference of the more complex type ,


and um they 're engaged in  in various activities , some of which you will hear about today. Ami is um our counselor and spiritual guidance and um also interested in problems concerning reference of the more complex type ,

and um he sits in as a interested participant and helper. Is that a good characterization ?


and um he sits in as a interested participant and helper. Is that a good characterization ?


OK. Keith is not technically one of us yet ,


OK. Keith is not technically one of us yet ,

ha - ha. but um it 's too late for him now.


ha - ha. but um it 's too late for him now.


ha - ha. but um it 's too late for him now.

Yeah right. I 've got the headset on after all.


Yeah right. I 've got the headset on after all.

Um. Officially I guess he will be joining us in the summer.


Yeah right. I 've got the headset on after all.

Um. Officially I guess he will be joining us in the summer.

And um hopefully it is by  by means of Keith that we will be able to get a b a better formal and a better semantic um idea of what a construction is and um how we can make it work for us. Additionally his interest um surpasses um English because it also entails German , an extra capability of speaking and writing and understanding and reading that language. And um , is there anyone who doesn't know Nancy ? Do you  do you know Nancy ?


Um. Officially I guess he will be joining us in the summer.

And um hopefully it is by  by means of Keith that we will be able to get a b a better formal and a better semantic um idea of what a construction is and um how we can make it work for us. Additionally his interest um surpasses um English because it also entails German , an extra capability of speaking and writing and understanding and reading that language. And um , is there anyone who doesn't know Nancy ? Do you  do you know Nancy ?


And um hopefully it is by  by means of Keith that we will be able to get a b a better formal and a better semantic um idea of what a construction is and um how we can make it work for us. Additionally his interest um surpasses um English because it also entails German , an extra capability of speaking and writing and understanding and reading that language. And um , is there anyone who doesn't know Nancy ? Do you  do you know Nancy ?


I made that joke already , Nancy , sadly.


Well I didn't know. I didn't mean to be humor copying , but OK , sorry. Yes , I know myself. It 's OK.


Well I didn't know. I didn't mean to be humor copying , but OK , sorry. Yes , I know myself. It 's OK.

And um Fey is with us as of six days ago officially ?


And um Fey is with us as of six days ago officially ?


but in reality already um much much longer and um um next to some  some more or less bureaucratic uh stuff with the  the data collection she 's also the wizard in the data collection Um ,


but in reality already um much much longer and um um next to some  some more or less bureaucratic uh stuff with the  the data collection she 's also the wizard in the data collection Um ,

we 're sticking with the term " wizard " ,


we 're sticking with the term " wizard " ,


OK , um , why don't we get started on that subject anyways. Um , so we 're about to collect data and um the uh s the following things have happened since we last met. When will we three meet again ? And um


OK , um , why don't we get started on that subject anyways. Um , so we 're about to collect data and um the uh s the following things have happened since we last met. When will we three meet again ? And um

what happened is that um , " A " ,  there was some confusion between you and Jerry with the  that leading to your talking to Catherine Snow , and he was uh he  he agreed completely that some something confusing happened. Um his idea was to get sort of the l the lists of mayors of the department , the students. It  it 's exactly how you interpreted it , sort of s


what happened is that um , " A " ,  there was some confusion between you and Jerry with the  that leading to your talking to Catherine Snow , and he was uh he  he agreed completely that some something confusing happened. Um his idea was to get sort of the l the lists of mayors of the department , the students. It  it 's exactly how you interpreted it , sort of s


Majors and um just sending the  the little write - up that we did on to those email lists


Majors and um just sending the  the little write - up that we did on to those email lists

So it was really Carol Snow who was confused , not me and not Jerry.


So it was really Carol Snow who was confused , not me and not Jerry.

Yep , yep , yep. OK. So. So , that is uh


So it was really Carol Snow who was confused , not me and not Jerry.

Yep , yep , yep. OK. So. So , that is uh

That 's good. So I should still do that.


Yep , yep , yep. OK. So. So , that is uh

That 's good. So I should still do that.


That 's good. So I should still do that.


Wonderful. And um we have a little description of asking peop subjects to contact Fey for you know recruiting them for our thing and um there was some confusion as to the consent form , which is basically that  that what what you just signed


Wonderful. And um we have a little description of asking peop subjects to contact Fey for you know recruiting them for our thing and um there was some confusion as to the consent form , which is basically that  that what what you just signed

Did Jerry talk to you about maybe using our class ? the students in the undergrad class that he 's teaching ?


Did Jerry talk to you about maybe using our class ? the students in the undergrad class that he 's teaching ?

Um well he said um we  definitely " yes " ,


Did Jerry talk to you about maybe using our class ? the students in the undergrad class that he 's teaching ?

Um well he said um we  definitely " yes " ,

however there is always more people in a  in a facul uh in a department than are just taking his class or anybody else 's class at the moment


Um well he said um we  definitely " yes " ,

however there is always more people in a  in a facul uh in a department than are just taking his class or anybody else 's class at the moment

and one should sort of reach out and try and get them all.


however there is always more people in a  in a facul uh in a department than are just taking his class or anybody else 's class at the moment

and one should sort of reach out and try and get them all.

OK , but th I guess it 's that um people in his class cover a different set so  than the c is the CogSci department that you were talking about ?


and one should sort of reach out and try and get them all.

OK , but th I guess it 's that um people in his class cover a different set so  than the c is the CogSci department that you were talking about ?


OK , but th I guess it 's that um people in his class cover a different set so  than the c is the CogSci department that you were talking about ?

that 's what I suggested to him , that people like  like Jerry and George and et cetera just


that 's what I suggested to him , that people like  like Jerry and George and et cetera just

Cuz we have you know people from other areas


Cuz we have you know people from other areas

Yeah or even I could  you know I could do the actual


Yeah or even I could  you know I could do the actual


Yeah or even I could  you know I could do the actual

Cuz I mean I  I know how to contact our students ,


Cuz I mean I  I know how to contact our students ,

so if there 's something that you 're sending out you can also s um send me a copy ,


so if there 's something that you 're sending out you can also s um send me a copy ,

me or Bhaskara could  either of us could post it to uh is it


me or Bhaskara could  either of us could post it to uh is it

if it 's a general solicitation that you know is just contact you then we can totally pro post it to the news group


if it 's a general solicitation that you know is just contact you then we can totally pro post it to the news group


OK , so you 'll send it or something so.


OK. Don't worry , we  this doesn't concern you anymore , Robert.


OK. Don't worry , we  this doesn't concern you anymore , Robert.

How  however I suggest that if you  if you look at your email carefully you may think  you may find that you already have it.


How  however I suggest that if you  if you look at your email carefully you may think  you may find that you already have it.


Anyhow , um the uh Yeah , not only Also we will talk about Linguistics and of course Computer Science.


Anyhow , um the uh Yeah , not only Also we will talk about Linguistics and of course Computer Science.

Um and then , secondly , we had , you may remember , um the problem with the re - phrasing , that subject always re - phrase sort of the task that uh we gave them ,


Um and then , secondly , we had , you may remember , um the problem with the re - phrasing , that subject always re - phrase sort of the task that uh we gave them ,

and so we had a meeting on Friday talking about how to avoid that , and it proved finally fruitful in the sense that we came up with a new scenario for how to get the  the subject m to really have intentions and sort of to act upon those , and um there the idea is now that next actually we  we need to hire one more person to actually do that job because it  it 's getting more complicated. So if you know anyone interested in  in what i 'm about to describe , tell that person to  to write a mail to me or Jerry soon , fast. Um  the idea now is to sort of come up with a high level of sort of abstract tasks " go shopping " um " take in uh a batch of art " um " visit  do some sightseeing " blah - blah - blah - blah - blah , sort of analogous to what Fey has started in  in  in compiling  compiling here and already  she has already gone to the trouble of  of anchoring it with specific um o  um entities and real world places you will find in Heidelberg. And um. So out of these f s these high level categories the subject can pick a couple , such as if  if there is a cop uh a category in emptying your roll of film , the person can then decide " OK , I wanna do that at this place " , sort of make up their own itinerary a and  and tasks and the person is not allowed to take sort of this h high level category list with them , but uh the person is able to take notes on a map that we will give him and the map will be a tourist 's sort of schematic representation with  with symbols for the objects. And so , the person can maybe make a mental note that " ah yeah I wanted to go shopping here " and " I wanted to maybe take a picture of that " and " maybe um eat here " and then goes in and solves the task with the system , IE  Fey , and um and we 're gonna try out that  Any questions ?


Um and then , secondly , we had , you may remember , um the problem with the re - phrasing , that subject always re - phrase sort of the task that uh we gave them ,

and so we had a meeting on Friday talking about how to avoid that , and it proved finally fruitful in the sense that we came up with a new scenario for how to get the  the subject m to really have intentions and sort of to act upon those , and um there the idea is now that next actually we  we need to hire one more person to actually do that job because it  it 's getting more complicated. So if you know anyone interested in  in what i 'm about to describe , tell that person to  to write a mail to me or Jerry soon , fast. Um  the idea now is to sort of come up with a high level of sort of abstract tasks " go shopping " um " take in uh a batch of art " um " visit  do some sightseeing " blah - blah - blah - blah - blah , sort of analogous to what Fey has started in  in  in compiling  compiling here and already  she has already gone to the trouble of  of anchoring it with specific um o  um entities and real world places you will find in Heidelberg. And um. So out of these f s these high level categories the subject can pick a couple , such as if  if there is a cop uh a category in emptying your roll of film , the person can then decide " OK , I wanna do that at this place " , sort of make up their own itinerary a and  and tasks and the person is not allowed to take sort of this h high level category list with them , but uh the person is able to take notes on a map that we will give him and the map will be a tourist 's sort of schematic representation with  with symbols for the objects. And so , the person can maybe make a mental note that " ah yeah I wanted to go shopping here " and " I wanted to maybe take a picture of that " and " maybe um eat here " and then goes in and solves the task with the system , IE  Fey , and um and we 're gonna try out that  Any questions ?

so um y you 'll have those say somewhere what their intention was  so you still have the  the nice thing about having data where you know what the actual intention was ?


and so we had a meeting on Friday talking about how to avoid that , and it proved finally fruitful in the sense that we came up with a new scenario for how to get the  the subject m to really have intentions and sort of to act upon those , and um there the idea is now that next actually we  we need to hire one more person to actually do that job because it  it 's getting more complicated. So if you know anyone interested in  in what i 'm about to describe , tell that person to  to write a mail to me or Jerry soon , fast. Um  the idea now is to sort of come up with a high level of sort of abstract tasks " go shopping " um " take in uh a batch of art " um " visit  do some sightseeing " blah - blah - blah - blah - blah , sort of analogous to what Fey has started in  in  in compiling  compiling here and already  she has already gone to the trouble of  of anchoring it with specific um o  um entities and real world places you will find in Heidelberg. And um. So out of these f s these high level categories the subject can pick a couple , such as if  if there is a cop uh a category in emptying your roll of film , the person can then decide " OK , I wanna do that at this place " , sort of make up their own itinerary a and  and tasks and the person is not allowed to take sort of this h high level category list with them , but uh the person is able to take notes on a map that we will give him and the map will be a tourist 's sort of schematic representation with  with symbols for the objects. And so , the person can maybe make a mental note that " ah yeah I wanted to go shopping here " and " I wanted to maybe take a picture of that " and " maybe um eat here " and then goes in and solves the task with the system , IE  Fey , and um and we 're gonna try out that  Any questions ?

so um y you 'll have those say somewhere what their intention was  so you still have the  the nice thing about having data where you know what the actual intention was ?


and so we had a meeting on Friday talking about how to avoid that , and it proved finally fruitful in the sense that we came up with a new scenario for how to get the  the subject m to really have intentions and sort of to act upon those , and um there the idea is now that next actually we  we need to hire one more person to actually do that job because it  it 's getting more complicated. So if you know anyone interested in  in what i 'm about to describe , tell that person to  to write a mail to me or Jerry soon , fast. Um  the idea now is to sort of come up with a high level of sort of abstract tasks " go shopping " um " take in uh a batch of art " um " visit  do some sightseeing " blah - blah - blah - blah - blah , sort of analogous to what Fey has started in  in  in compiling  compiling here and already  she has already gone to the trouble of  of anchoring it with specific um o  um entities and real world places you will find in Heidelberg. And um. So out of these f s these high level categories the subject can pick a couple , such as if  if there is a cop uh a category in emptying your roll of film , the person can then decide " OK , I wanna do that at this place " , sort of make up their own itinerary a and  and tasks and the person is not allowed to take sort of this h high level category list with them , but uh the person is able to take notes on a map that we will give him and the map will be a tourist 's sort of schematic representation with  with symbols for the objects. And so , the person can maybe make a mental note that " ah yeah I wanted to go shopping here " and " I wanted to maybe take a picture of that " and " maybe um eat here " and then goes in and solves the task with the system , IE  Fey , and um and we 're gonna try out that  Any questions ?

so um y you 'll have those say somewhere what their intention was  so you still have the  the nice thing about having data where you know what the actual intention was ?

But they will um  There 's nothing that says you know " these are the things you want to do " so they 'll say " well these are the things I want to do " and  Right , so they 'll have a little bit more natural interaction ?


so um y you 'll have those say somewhere what their intention was  so you still have the  the nice thing about having data where you know what the actual intention was ?

But they will um  There 's nothing that says you know " these are the things you want to do " so they 'll say " well these are the things I want to do " and  Right , so they 'll have a little bit more natural interaction ?


But they will um  There 's nothing that says you know " these are the things you want to do " so they 'll say " well these are the things I want to do " and  Right , so they 'll have a little bit more natural interaction ?


But they will um  There 's nothing that says you know " these are the things you want to do " so they 'll say " well these are the things I want to do " and  Right , so they 'll have a little bit more natural interaction ?

So they 'll be given this map , which means that they won't have to like ask the system for in for like high level information about where things are ?


So they 'll be given this map , which means that they won't have to like ask the system for in for like high level information about where things are ?

Yeah it 's a schematic tourist map. So it 'll be uh i it 'll still require the  that information and An


So they 'll be given this map , which means that they won't have to like ask the system for in for like high level information about where things are ?

Yeah it 's a schematic tourist map. So it 'll be uh i it 'll still require the  that information and An

It w it doesn't have like streets on it that would allow them to figure out their way


So they 'll be given this map , which means that they won't have to like ask the system for in for like high level information about where things are ?

Yeah it 's a schematic tourist map. So it 'll be uh i it 'll still require the  that information and An

It w it doesn't have like streets on it that would allow them to figure out their way

N not  not  not really the street network. Nuh.


Yeah it 's a schematic tourist map. So it 'll be uh i it 'll still require the  that information and An

It w it doesn't have like streets on it that would allow them to figure out their way

N not  not  not really the street network. Nuh.


It w it doesn't have like streets on it that would allow them to figure out their way

N not  not  not really the street network. Nuh.

So you 're just saying like what part of town the things are in or whatever ?


N not  not  not really the street network. Nuh.

So you 're just saying like what part of town the things are in or whatever ?

Yeah a and um the map is more a means for them to have the buildings and their names and maybe some ma ma major streets and their names


So you 're just saying like what part of town the things are in or whatever ?

Yeah a and um the map is more a means for them to have the buildings and their names and maybe some ma ma major streets and their names


So you 're just saying like what part of town the things are in or whatever ?

Yeah a and um the map is more a means for them to have the buildings and their names and maybe some ma ma major streets and their names

and we want to maybe ask them , if you have  get it sort of isolated street the  the , whatever , " River Street " , and they know that  they have decided that , yes , that 's where they want to do this kind of action um that they have it with them and they can actually read them or sort of have the label for the object because it 's too hard to memorize all these st strange German names. And then we 're going to have another  we 're gonna have w another trial run IE the first with that new setup tomorrow at two and we have a real interesting subject which is Ron Kay for who  those who know him , he 's the founder of ICI. So he 'll  he 's around seven seventy years old , or something.


Yeah a and um the map is more a means for them to have the buildings and their names and maybe some ma ma major streets and their names

and we want to maybe ask them , if you have  get it sort of isolated street the  the , whatever , " River Street " , and they know that  they have decided that , yes , that 's where they want to do this kind of action um that they have it with them and they can actually read them or sort of have the label for the object because it 's too hard to memorize all these st strange German names. And then we 're going to have another  we 're gonna have w another trial run IE the first with that new setup tomorrow at two and we have a real interesting subject which is Ron Kay for who  those who know him , he 's the founder of ICI. So he 'll  he 's around seven seventy years old , or something.

I didn't know he was the founder. That 's  OK.


and we want to maybe ask them , if you have  get it sort of isolated street the  the , whatever , " River Street " , and they know that  they have decided that , yes , that 's where they want to do this kind of action um that they have it with them and they can actually read them or sort of have the label for the object because it 's too hard to memorize all these st strange German names. And then we 're going to have another  we 're gonna have w another trial run IE the first with that new setup tomorrow at two and we have a real interesting subject which is Ron Kay for who  those who know him , he 's the founder of ICI. So he 'll  he 's around seven seventy years old , or something.

I didn't know he was the founder. That 's  OK.

And he also approached me and he offered to help  um our project and he was more thinking about some high level thinking tasks and  I said " sure we need help you can come in as a subject " and he said " OK ". So that 's what 's gonna happen , tomorrow , data.


I didn't know he was the founder. That 's  OK.

And he also approached me and he offered to help  um our project and he was more thinking about some high level thinking tasks and  I said " sure we need help you can come in as a subject " and he said " OK ". So that 's what 's gonna happen , tomorrow , data.


And he also approached me and he offered to help  um our project and he was more thinking about some high level thinking tasks and  I said " sure we need help you can come in as a subject " and he said " OK ". So that 's what 's gonna happen , tomorrow , data.


Yeah. Which I 'll hopefully sort of scrape together t But , thanks to Fey , we already have sort of a nice blueprint and I can work with that. Questions ? Comments on that ? If not , we can move on. No ? No more questions ?


Yeah. Which I 'll hopefully sort of scrape together t But , thanks to Fey , we already have sort of a nice blueprint and I can work with that. Questions ? Comments on that ? If not , we can move on. No ? No more questions ?

So what 's the s this is what you made , Fey ?


So what 's the s this is what you made , Fey ?

but  I 'm not sure I totally understand everything that 's being talked about


So what 's the s this is what you made , Fey ?

but  I 'm not sure I totally understand everything that 's being talked about

Like so  So it 's just based on like the materials you had about Heidelberg.


but  I 'm not sure I totally understand everything that 's being talked about

Like so  So it 's just based on like the materials you had about Heidelberg.

Um are you familiar with  with the  with the very rough setup of the data ?


Like so  So it 's just based on like the materials you had about Heidelberg.

Um are you familiar with  with the  with the very rough setup of the data ?


Um are you familiar with  with the  with the very rough setup of the data ?


and then you could like um figure out what the cate


Talk to a machine and it breaks down and then the human comes on.


Talk to a machine and it breaks down and then the human comes on.

The question is just sort of how do we get the tasks in their head that they have an intention of doing something and have a need to ask the system for something without giving them sort of a clear wording or phrasing of the task.


The question is just sort of how do we get the tasks in their head that they have an intention of doing something and have a need to ask the system for something without giving them sort of a clear wording or phrasing of the task.


The question is just sort of how do we get the tasks in their head that they have an intention of doing something and have a need to ask the system for something without giving them sort of a clear wording or phrasing of the task.

Because what will happen then is that people repeat  repeat ,  or as much as they can , of that phrasing.


Because what will happen then is that people repeat  repeat ,  or as much as they can , of that phrasing.

Hmm. Um , are you worried about being able to identify


Hmm. Um , are you worried about being able to identify

Um. The  The goals that we 've d you guys have been talking about are this  these you know identifying which of three modes um their question uh concerns.


Um. The  The goals that we 've d you guys have been talking about are this  these you know identifying which of three modes um their question uh concerns.


Um. The  The goals that we 've d you guys have been talking about are this  these you know identifying which of three modes um their question uh concerns.

Yeah , we  we  we will sort of get a protocol of the prior interaction ,


Yeah , we  we  we will sort of get a protocol of the prior interaction ,


Yeah , we  we  we will sort of get a protocol of the prior interaction ,

right ? That 's where the instructor , the person we are going to hire , um and the subjects sit down together with these high level things


right ? That 's where the instructor , the person we are going to hire , um and the subjects sit down together with these high level things

and so th the q first question for the subject is , " so these are things , you know , we thought a tourist can do. Is there anything that interests you ? "


and so th the q first question for the subject is , " so these are things , you know , we thought a tourist can do. Is there anything that interests you ? "

And the person can say " yeah , sure sh this is something I would do. I would go shopping ". Yeah ? and then we can sort of  this s instructor can say " well , uh then you  you may want to find out how to get over here


And the person can say " yeah , sure sh this is something I would do. I would go shopping ". Yeah ? and then we can sort of  this s instructor can say " well , uh then you  you may want to find out how to get over here

because this is where the shopping district is ".


And the person can say " yeah , sure sh this is something I would do. I would go shopping ". Yeah ? and then we can sort of  this s instructor can say " well , uh then you  you may want to find out how to get over here

because this is where the shopping district is ".

So the interaction beforehand will give them hints about how specific or how whatever though the kinds of questions that are going to ask during the actual session ?


because this is where the shopping district is ".

So the interaction beforehand will give them hints about how specific or how whatever though the kinds of questions that are going to ask during the actual session ?

No. Just sort of  OK , what  what  what would you like to buy and then um OK there you wanna buy a whatever cuckoos clocks


So the interaction beforehand will give them hints about how specific or how whatever though the kinds of questions that are going to ask during the actual session ?

No. Just sort of  OK , what  what  what would you like to buy and then um OK there you wanna buy a whatever cuckoos clocks


No. Just sort of  OK , what  what  what would you like to buy and then um OK there you wanna buy a whatever cuckoos clocks


So the task then for that person is t finding out how to get there , right ?


And we know that the intention is to enter because we know that the person wants to buy a cuckoos clock.


And we know that the intention is to enter because we know that the person wants to buy a cuckoos clock.

OK , that 's what I mean so like those tasks are all gonna be um unambiguous about which of the three modes.


OK , that 's what I mean so like those tasks are all gonna be um unambiguous about which of the three modes.

Well , so the idea is to try to get the actual phrasing that they might use and try to interfere as little as possible with their choice of words.


Well , so the idea is to try to get the actual phrasing that they might use and try to interfere as little as possible with their choice of words.


Well , so the idea is to try to get the actual phrasing that they might use and try to interfere as little as possible with their choice of words.

Yes. In a sense that 's exactly the  the  the idea ,


Yes. In a sense that 's exactly the  the  the idea ,


Yes. In a sense that 's exactly the  the  the idea ,

which is never possible in a  in a s in a lab situation ,


Yes. In a sense that 's exactly the  the  the idea ,

which is never possible in a  in a s in a lab situation ,

Well , u u the one experiment th that  that  that I 've read somewhere , it was  they u used pictures.


which is never possible in a  in a s in a lab situation ,

Well , u u the one experiment th that  that  that I 've read somewhere , it was  they u used pictures.


which is never possible in a  in a s in a lab situation ,

Well , u u the one experiment th that  that  that I 've read somewhere , it was  they u used pictures.

So to  to uh actually um uh specify the  the tasks.


Well , u u the one experiment th that  that  that I 've read somewhere , it was  they u used pictures.

So to  to uh actually um uh specify the  the tasks.


So to  to uh actually um uh specify the  the tasks.


Yeah. We had exactly that on our list of possible way things so we  uh I even made a sort of a silly thing how that could work , how you control you are here you  you want to know how to get someplace , and this is the place and it 's a museum and you want to do some and  and  and there 's a person looking at pictures. So , you know , this is exactly getting someplace with the intention of entering and looking at pictures.


Yeah. We had exactly that on our list of possible way things so we  uh I even made a sort of a silly thing how that could work , how you control you are here you  you want to know how to get someplace , and this is the place and it 's a museum and you want to do some and  and  and there 's a person looking at pictures. So , you know , this is exactly getting someplace with the intention of entering and looking at pictures.

However , not only was  the common census were  among all participants of Friday 's meeting was it 's gonna be very laborious to  to make these drawings for each different things ,


However , not only was  the common census were  among all participants of Friday 's meeting was it 's gonna be very laborious to  to make these drawings for each different things ,

all the different actions , if at all possible , and also people will get caught up in the pictures. So all of a sudden we 'll get descriptions of pictures in there.


all the different actions , if at all possible , and also people will get caught up in the pictures. So all of a sudden we 'll get descriptions of pictures in there.

And people talking about pictures and pictorial representations


And people talking about pictures and pictorial representations


I would s I would still be willing to try it.


I would s I would still be willing to try it.

I mean , I I 'm  I 'm not saying it 's necessary but  but uh i uh uh i  you might be able to combine you know text uh and  and some sort of picture and also uh I think it  it will be a good idea to show them the text and kind of chew the task and then take the test away  the  the  the  the  the text away


I would s I would still be willing to try it.

I mean , I I 'm  I 'm not saying it 's necessary but  but uh i uh uh i  you might be able to combine you know text uh and  and some sort of picture and also uh I think it  it will be a good idea to show them the text and kind of chew the task and then take the test away  the  the  the  the  the text away

so that they are not uh guided by  by by what you wrote ,


I mean , I I 'm  I 'm not saying it 's necessary but  but uh i uh uh i  you might be able to combine you know text uh and  and some sort of picture and also uh I think it  it will be a good idea to show them the text and kind of chew the task and then take the test away  the  the  the  the  the text away

so that they are not uh guided by  by by what you wrote ,


so that they are not uh guided by  by by what you wrote ,

but can come up with their  with their own


so that they are not uh guided by  by by what you wrote ,

but can come up with their  with their own

Yeah , they will have no more linguistic matter in front of them when they enter this room.


but can come up with their  with their own

Yeah , they will have no more linguistic matter in front of them when they enter this room.


but can come up with their  with their own

Yeah , they will have no more linguistic matter in front of them when they enter this room.

OK. Then I suggest we move on to the  to we have um uh the EDU Project , let me make one more general remark , has sort of two  two side uh um actions , its um action items that we 're do dealing with , one is modifying the SmartKom parser and the other one is modifying the SmartKom natural language generation module. And um this is not too complicated but I 'm just mentioning it  put it in the framework because this is something we will talk about now. Um , I have some news from the generation , do you have news from the parser ?


Yeah , they will have no more linguistic matter in front of them when they enter this room.

OK. Then I suggest we move on to the  to we have um uh the EDU Project , let me make one more general remark , has sort of two  two side uh um actions , its um action items that we 're do dealing with , one is modifying the SmartKom parser and the other one is modifying the SmartKom natural language generation module. And um this is not too complicated but I 'm just mentioning it  put it in the framework because this is something we will talk about now. Um , I have some news from the generation , do you have news from the parser ?


OK. Then I suggest we move on to the  to we have um uh the EDU Project , let me make one more general remark , has sort of two  two side uh um actions , its um action items that we 're do dealing with , one is modifying the SmartKom parser and the other one is modifying the SmartKom natural language generation module. And um this is not too complicated but I 'm just mentioning it  put it in the framework because this is something we will talk about now. Um , I have some news from the generation , do you have news from the parser ?


OK. Then I suggest we move on to the  to we have um uh the EDU Project , let me make one more general remark , has sort of two  two side uh um actions , its um action items that we 're do dealing with , one is modifying the SmartKom parser and the other one is modifying the SmartKom natural language generation module. And um this is not too complicated but I 'm just mentioning it  put it in the framework because this is something we will talk about now. Um , I have some news from the generation , do you have news from the parser ?

Yes , uh , I would really p It would be better if I talked about it on Friday.


Yes , uh , I would really p It would be better if I talked about it on Friday.


Yes , uh , I would really p It would be better if I talked about it on Friday.

Yeah , wonderful. Um , did you run into problems or did you run into not h having time ?


Yeah , wonderful. Um , did you run into problems or did you run into not h having time ?


Yeah , wonderful. Um , did you run into problems or did you run into not h having time ?

OK , so that 's good. That 's better than running into problems.


OK , so that 's good. That 's better than running into problems.

And um I  I do have some good news for the natural language generation however. And the good news is I guess it 's done. Uh , meaning that Tilman Becker , who does the German one , actually took out some time and already did it in English for us. And so the version he 's sending us is already producing the English that 's needed to get by in version one point one.


OK , so that 's good. That 's better than running into problems.

And um I  I do have some good news for the natural language generation however. And the good news is I guess it 's done. Uh , meaning that Tilman Becker , who does the German one , actually took out some time and already did it in English for us. And so the version he 's sending us is already producing the English that 's needed to get by in version one point one.

So I take it that was similar to the  what  what we did for the parsing ?


And um I  I do have some good news for the natural language generation however. And the good news is I guess it 's done. Uh , meaning that Tilman Becker , who does the German one , actually took out some time and already did it in English for us. And so the version he 's sending us is already producing the English that 's needed to get by in version one point one.

So I take it that was similar to the  what  what we did for the parsing ?

Yeah. I  I  it  even though the generator is a little bit more complex and it would have been , not changing one hundred words but maybe four hundred words ,


So I take it that was similar to the  what  what we did for the parsing ?

Yeah. I  I  it  even though the generator is a little bit more complex and it would have been , not changing one hundred words but maybe four hundred words ,


Yeah. I  I  it  even though the generator is a little bit more complex and it would have been , not changing one hundred words but maybe four hundred words ,


but this  this is I guess good news , and the uh  the time and especially Bhaskara and uh  and um  Oh do I have it here ? No. The time is now pretty much fixed. It 's the last week of April until the fourth of May so it 's twenty - sixth through fourth. That they 'll be here. So it 's  it 's extremely important that the two of you are also present in this town during that time.


but this  this is I guess good news , and the uh  the time and especially Bhaskara and uh  and um  Oh do I have it here ? No. The time is now pretty much fixed. It 's the last week of April until the fourth of May so it 's twenty - sixth through fourth. That they 'll be here. So it 's  it 's extremely important that the two of you are also present in this town during that time.

Wait , what  what are the days ? April twenty - sixth to the  May fourth ?


Wait , what  what are the days ? April twenty - sixth to the  May fourth ?


There is a d Isn't finals coming up then pretty much after that ?


There is a d Isn't finals coming up then pretty much after that ?

Yeah w it doesn't really have much meaning to grad students but final projects might.


Yeah w it doesn't really have much meaning to grad students but final projects might.


Well I 'll be here working on something. Guaranteed , it 's just uh will I be here , you know , in uh  I 'll be here too actually but


Well I 'll be here working on something. Guaranteed , it 's just uh will I be here , you know , in uh  I 'll be here too actually but

No it 's just um you know they 're coming for us so that we can bug them


No it 's just um you know they 're coming for us so that we can bug them

and ask them more questions and sit down together and write sensible code and they can give some nice talks and stuff. But uh


No it 's just um you know they 're coming for us so that we can bug them

and ask them more questions and sit down together and write sensible code and they can give some nice talks and stuff. But uh

But it 's not like we need to be with them twenty - four hours a day s for the seven days that they 're here.


and ask them more questions and sit down together and write sensible code and they can give some nice talks and stuff. But uh

But it 's not like we need to be with them twenty - four hours a day s for the seven days that they 're here.

just make a  Not  not unless you really really want to.


But it 's not like we need to be with them twenty - four hours a day s for the seven days that they 're here.

just make a  Not  not unless you really really want to.

Not unless you really want to. And they 're both nice guys so you may  may want to. OK , that much from the parser and generator side , unless there are more questions on that.


just make a  Not  not unless you really really want to.

Not unless you really want to. And they 're both nice guys so you may  may want to. OK , that much from the parser and generator side , unless there are more questions on that.


Not unless you really want to. And they 're both nice guys so you may  may want to. OK , that much from the parser and generator side , unless there are more questions on that.

No. It  Just a mail that , you know , he 's sending me the  the  the stuff soon


No. It  Just a mail that , you know , he 's sending me the  the  the stuff soon


and I  and that 's also it 's  it 's going to produce the concept - to - speech uh blah - blah - blah information for  necessary for one point one in English  based on the English , you know , in English. So. I was like " OK ,


and I  and that 's also it 's  it 's going to produce the concept - to - speech uh blah - blah - blah information for  necessary for one point one in English  based on the English , you know , in English. So. I was like " OK ,

So that was like one of the first l You know , the first task was getting it working for English. So that 's basically over now. Is that right ?


So that was like one of the first l You know , the first task was getting it working for English. So that 's basically over now. Is that right ?


So that was like one of the first l You know , the first task was getting it working for English. So that 's basically over now. Is that right ?

Um , the basic requirement is fulfilled almost. When Andreas Stolcke and  and his gang ,


Um , the basic requirement is fulfilled almost. When Andreas Stolcke and  and his gang ,


Um , the basic requirement is fulfilled almost. When Andreas Stolcke and  and his gang ,

when they have um changed the language model of the recognizer and the dictionary , then we can actually a put it all together


Um , the basic requirement is fulfilled almost. When Andreas Stolcke and  and his gang ,

when they have um changed the language model of the recognizer and the dictionary , then we can actually a put it all together

Mm - hmm. So the speech recognizer also works. Uh - huh. Mm - hmm.


when they have um changed the language model of the recognizer and the dictionary , then we can actually a put it all together

Mm - hmm. So the speech recognizer also works. Uh - huh. Mm - hmm.

and you can speak into it and ask for TV and movie information


Mm - hmm. So the speech recognizer also works. Uh - huh. Mm - hmm.

and you can speak into it and ask for TV and movie information

and then when if  if something actually happens and some answers come out , then we 're done.


and you can speak into it and ask for TV and movie information

and then when if  if something actually happens and some answers come out , then we 're done.

Mm - hmm. If  and they 're kind of correct.


and then when if  if something actually happens and some answers come out , then we 're done.

Mm - hmm. If  and they 're kind of correct.


Mm - hmm. If  and they 're kind of correct.


Right. Perhaps if the answers have something to do with the questions for example.


Right. Perhaps if the answers have something to do with the questions for example.

It 's not just like anything. And they 're mostly in English. So.


Right. Perhaps if the answers have something to do with the questions for example.

It 's not just like anything. And they 're mostly in English. So.

Are they  is it using the database ? the German TV movie.


It 's not just like anything. And they 're mostly in English. So.

Are they  is it using the database ? the German TV movie.


Are they  is it using the database ? the German TV movie.

OK. So  all the actual data might be German names ?


OK. So  all the actual data might be German names ?

Or are they all like American TV programs ?


Or are they all like American TV programs ?


Or are they all like American TV programs ?

The  OK , so you don't know how the German dialogue  uh the German  the demo dialogue actually works. It works  the first thing is what 's , you know , showing on TV , and then the person is presented with what 's running on TV in Germany on that day , on that evening


The  OK , so you don't know how the German dialogue  uh the German  the demo dialogue actually works. It works  the first thing is what 's , you know , showing on TV , and then the person is presented with what 's running on TV in Germany on that day , on that evening


The  OK , so you don't know how the German dialogue  uh the German  the demo dialogue actually works. It works  the first thing is what 's , you know , showing on TV , and then the person is presented with what 's running on TV in Germany on that day , on that evening

and so you take one look at it and then you say " well that 's really nothing  there 's nothing for me there " " what 's running in the cinemas ? " So maybe there 's something better happening there.


and so you take one look at it and then you say " well that 's really nothing  there 's nothing for me there " " what 's running in the cinemas ? " So maybe there 's something better happening there.

And then you get  you 're shown what movies play which films , and it 's gonna be of course all the Heidelberg movies and what films they are actually showing.


And then you get  you 're shown what movies play which films , and it 's gonna be of course all the Heidelberg movies and what films they are actually showing.

And most of them are going to be Hollywood movies. So , " American Beauty " is " American Beauty " ,


And most of them are going to be Hollywood movies. So , " American Beauty " is " American Beauty " ,


It 's a  I mean so would the generator , like the English language sentence of it is  " these are the follow you know the following films are being shown " or something like that ?


It 's a  I mean so would the generator , like the English language sentence of it is  " these are the follow you know the following films are being shown " or something like that ?

Yeah , but it in that sense it doesn't make  In that case uh it doesn't really make sense to read them out loud.


Yeah , but it in that sense it doesn't make  In that case uh it doesn't really make sense to read them out loud.


But uh it 'll tell you that this is what 's showing in Heidelberg and there you go.


But uh it 'll tell you that this is what 's showing in Heidelberg and there you go.

So we don't have to worry about um  Yeah.


But uh it 'll tell you that this is what 's showing in Heidelberg and there you go.

So we don't have to worry about um  Yeah.

And the presentation agent will go " Hhh ! "  Nuh ?


So we don't have to worry about um  Yeah.

And the presentation agent will go " Hhh ! "  Nuh ?


And the presentation agent will go " Hhh ! "  Nuh ?


And um. And then you pick  pick a movie and  and  and it show shows you the times and you pick a time and you pick seats and all of this. So.


But it 's  so this time we  we are at an advantage because it was a problem for the German system to incorporate all these English movie titles.


But it 's  so this time we  we are at an advantage because it was a problem for the German system to incorporate all these English movie titles.

Nuh ? But in English , that 's not really a problem ,


Nuh ? But in English , that 's not really a problem ,

unless we get some  some topical German movies that have just come out and that are in their database. So the person may select " Huehner Rennen " or whatever.


unless we get some  some topical German movies that have just come out and that are in their database. So the person may select " Huehner Rennen " or whatever.


This is very rough but this is sort of what um Johno and I managed to come up with. The idea here is that


This is very rough but this is sort of what um Johno and I managed to come up with. The idea here is that

This is the uh s the schema of the XML here , not an example or something like that.


This is very rough but this is sort of what um Johno and I managed to come up with. The idea here is that

This is the uh s the schema of the XML here , not an example or something like that.

Yeah this is not an XML this is sort of towards an  a schema ,


This is the uh s the schema of the XML here , not an example or something like that.

Yeah this is not an XML this is sort of towards an  a schema ,


Yeah this is not an XML this is sort of towards an  a schema ,

nuh ? definition. The idea is , so , imagine we have a library of schema such as the Source - Path - Goal and then we have forced uh motion , we have cost action ,


nuh ? definition. The idea is , so , imagine we have a library of schema such as the Source - Path - Goal and then we have forced uh motion , we have cost action ,


And they 're gonna be , you know , fleshed out in  in their real ugly detail , Source - Path - Goal , and there 's gonna be s a lot of stuff on the Goal and blah - blah - blah , that a goal can be and so forth. What we think is  And all the names could  should be taken " cum grano salis ". So. This is a  the fact that we 're calling this " action schema " right now should not entail that we are going to continue calling this " action schema ". But what that means  is we have here first of all on the  in the  in the first iteration a stupid list of Source - Path - Goal actions


And they 're gonna be , you know , fleshed out in  in their real ugly detail , Source - Path - Goal , and there 's gonna be s a lot of stuff on the Goal and blah - blah - blah , that a goal can be and so forth. What we think is  And all the names could  should be taken " cum grano salis ". So. This is a  the fact that we 're calling this " action schema " right now should not entail that we are going to continue calling this " action schema ". But what that means  is we have here first of all on the  in the  in the first iteration a stupid list of Source - Path - Goal actions

Actions that can be categorized with  or that are related to Source - Path - Goal.


Actions that can be categorized with  or that are related to Source - Path - Goal.


and we will have you know forced motion and cost action actions.


and we will have you know forced motion and cost action actions.

And then those actions can be in multiple categories at the same time if necessary.


and we will have you know forced motion and cost action actions.

And then those actions can be in multiple categories at the same time if necessary.

So a push may be in  in  in both you know push uh in this or this uh


and we will have you know forced motion and cost action actions.

And then those actions can be in multiple categories at the same time if necessary.

So a push may be in  in  in both you know push uh in this or this uh

Forced motion and caused action for instance ,


And then those actions can be in multiple categories at the same time if necessary.

So a push may be in  in  in both you know push uh in this or this uh

Forced motion and caused action for instance ,


So a push may be in  in  in both you know push uh in this or this uh

Forced motion and caused action for instance ,


Forced motion and caused action for instance ,

Also , these things may or may not get their own structure in the future. So this is something that , you know , may also be a res As a result of your work in the future , we may find out that , you know , there 're really s these subtle differences between um even within the domain of entering in the light of a Source - Path - Goal schema , that we need to put in  fill in additional structure up there. But it gives us a nice handle. So with this we can basically um you know s slaughter the cow any anyway we want. Uh. It  it is  It was sort of a  it gave us some headache , how do we avoid writing down that we have sort of the Enter Source - Path - Goal that this  But this sort of gets the job done in that respect and maybe it is even conceptually somewhat adequate in a sense that um we 're talking about two different things. We 're talking more on the sort of intention level , up there , and more on the  this is the  your basic bone um schema , down there.


Also , these things may or may not get their own structure in the future. So this is something that , you know , may also be a res As a result of your work in the future , we may find out that , you know , there 're really s these subtle differences between um even within the domain of entering in the light of a Source - Path - Goal schema , that we need to put in  fill in additional structure up there. But it gives us a nice handle. So with this we can basically um you know s slaughter the cow any anyway we want. Uh. It  it is  It was sort of a  it gave us some headache , how do we avoid writing down that we have sort of the Enter Source - Path - Goal that this  But this sort of gets the job done in that respect and maybe it is even conceptually somewhat adequate in a sense that um we 're talking about two different things. We 're talking more on the sort of intention level , up there , and more on the  this is the  your basic bone um schema , down there.

Uh one question , Robert. When you point at the screen is it your shadow that I 'm supposed to look at ?


Also , these things may or may not get their own structure in the future. So this is something that , you know , may also be a res As a result of your work in the future , we may find out that , you know , there 're really s these subtle differences between um even within the domain of entering in the light of a Source - Path - Goal schema , that we need to put in  fill in additional structure up there. But it gives us a nice handle. So with this we can basically um you know s slaughter the cow any anyway we want. Uh. It  it is  It was sort of a  it gave us some headache , how do we avoid writing down that we have sort of the Enter Source - Path - Goal that this  But this sort of gets the job done in that respect and maybe it is even conceptually somewhat adequate in a sense that um we 're talking about two different things. We 're talking more on the sort of intention level , up there , and more on the  this is the  your basic bone um schema , down there.

Uh one question , Robert. When you point at the screen is it your shadow that I 'm supposed to look at ?

OK. Whereas I keep looking where your hand is , and it doesn't


Uh one question , Robert. When you point at the screen is it your shadow that I 'm supposed to look at ?

OK. Whereas I keep looking where your hand is , and it doesn't

Well , that wouldn't have helped you at all.


OK. Whereas I keep looking where your hand is , and it doesn't

Well , that wouldn't have helped you at all.


Well , that wouldn't have helped you at all.

Basically , what this is  is that there 's an interface between what we are doing and the action planner


Basically , what this is  is that there 's an interface between what we are doing and the action planner


Basically , what this is  is that there 's an interface between what we are doing and the action planner

and right now the way the interface is " action go " and then they have the  what the person claimed was the source and the person claimed as the goal passed on.


and right now the way the interface is " action go " and then they have the  what the person claimed was the source and the person claimed as the goal passed on.

And the problem is , is that the current system does not distinguish between goes of type " going into " , goes of type " want to go to a place where I can take a picture of " , et cetera.


and right now the way the interface is " action go " and then they have the  what the person claimed was the source and the person claimed as the goal passed on.

And the problem is , is that the current system does not distinguish between goes of type " going into " , goes of type " want to go to a place where I can take a picture of " , et cetera.

So this is sort of what it looks like now , some simple " Go " action from it  from an object named " Peter 's Kirche " of the type " Church " to an object named " Powder - Tower " of the type " Tower ". Right ?


And the problem is , is that the current system does not distinguish between goes of type " going into " , goes of type " want to go to a place where I can take a picture of " , et cetera.

So this is sort of what it looks like now , some simple " Go " action from it  from an object named " Peter 's Kirche " of the type " Church " to an object named " Powder - Tower " of the type " Tower ". Right ?

This is the uh  what the action planner uses ?


So this is sort of what it looks like now , some simple " Go " action from it  from an object named " Peter 's Kirche " of the type " Church " to an object named " Powder - Tower " of the type " Tower ". Right ?

This is the uh  what the action planner uses ?


This is the uh  what the action planner uses ?


And is that  and tha that 's changeable ? or not ?


We  This is the output , sort of , of the natural language understanding ,


the input into the action planning , as it is now.


the input into the action planning , as it is now.

And what we are going to do , we going to  and you can see here , and again for Johno please  please focus the shadow ,


And what we are going to do , we going to  and you can see here , and again for Johno please  please focus the shadow ,

um we 're gon uh uh here you have the action and the domain object and w and on  on


um we 're gon uh uh here you have the action and the domain object and w and on  on


A laser pointer would be most appropriate here I think.


A laser pointer would be most appropriate here I think.

Robert likes to be abstract and that 's what I just thought he was doing.


Robert likes to be abstract and that 's what I just thought he was doing.


so as you can see this is on one level and we are going to add another um " Struct " , if you want , IE a rich action description on that level.


Exactly. In the future though , the content of a hypothesis will not only be an object and an  an action and a domain object but an action , a domain object , and a rich action description ,


Exactly. In the future though , the content of a hypothesis will not only be an object and an  an action and a domain object but an action , a domain object , and a rich action description ,

Right ? that doesn't hurt the current way. Mm - hmm. Mm - hmm.


Exactly. In the future though , the content of a hypothesis will not only be an object and an  an action and a domain object but an action , a domain object , and a rich action description ,

Right ? that doesn't hurt the current way. Mm - hmm. Mm - hmm.

Which  which we 're abbreviating as " RAD ".


Right ? that doesn't hurt the current way. Mm - hmm. Mm - hmm.

Which  which we 're abbreviating as " RAD ".


Which  which we 're abbreviating as " RAD ".


So um you had like an action schema and a Source - Path - Goal schema ,


So um you had like an action schema and a Source - Path - Goal schema ,

right ? So how does this Source - Path - Goal schema fit into the uh action schema ? Like is it one of the tags there ?


right ? So how does this Source - Path - Goal schema fit into the uh action schema ? Like is it one of the tags there ?

So the Source - Path - Goal schema in this case , I 've  if I understand how we described  we set this up , um cuz we 've been arguing about it all week , but uh we 'll hold the  the  Well in this case it will hold the   I mean the  the features I guess. I 'm not  it 's hard for me to exactly s So basically that will store the  the object that is w the Source will store the object that we 're going from , the Goal will store the  the f


So the Source - Path - Goal schema in this case , I 've  if I understand how we described  we set this up , um cuz we 've been arguing about it all week , but uh we 'll hold the  the  Well in this case it will hold the   I mean the  the features I guess. I 'm not  it 's hard for me to exactly s So basically that will store the  the object that is w the Source will store the object that we 're going from , the Goal will store the  the f


So the Source - Path - Goal schema in this case , I 've  if I understand how we described  we set this up , um cuz we 've been arguing about it all week , but uh we 'll hold the  the  Well in this case it will hold the   I mean the  the features I guess. I 'm not  it 's hard for me to exactly s So basically that will store the  the object that is w the Source will store the object that we 're going from , the Goal will store the  the f

we 'll fill those in fill those roles in , right ?


we 'll fill those in fill those roles in , right ?


we 'll fill those in fill those roles in , right ?

The S Action - schemas basically have extra  See we  so those are  schemas exist because in case we need extra information instead of just making it an attribute and which  which is just one thing we  we decided to make it 's own entity so that we could explode it out later on in case there is some structure that  that we need to exploit.


The S Action - schemas basically have extra  See we  so those are  schemas exist because in case we need extra information instead of just making it an attribute and which  which is just one thing we  we decided to make it 's own entity so that we could explode it out later on in case there is some structure that  that we need to exploit.

OK , so th sorry I just don't kn um um um  This is just uh XML mo notational but um the fact that it 's action schema and then sort of slash action schema that 's a whole entit


The S Action - schemas basically have extra  See we  so those are  schemas exist because in case we need extra information instead of just making it an attribute and which  which is just one thing we  we decided to make it 's own entity so that we could explode it out later on in case there is some structure that  that we need to exploit.

OK , so th sorry I just don't kn um um um  This is just uh XML mo notational but um the fact that it 's action schema and then sort of slash action schema that 's a whole entit

That 's a block , whereas source is just an attribute ?


OK , so th sorry I just don't kn um um um  This is just uh XML mo notational but um the fact that it 's action schema and then sort of slash action schema that 's a whole entit

That 's a block , whereas source is just an attribute ?


That 's a block , whereas source is just an attribute ?


That 's a block , whereas source is just an attribute ?

Source is just not spelled out here. Source meaning  Source will be uh will have a name , a type , maybe a dimensionality ,


Source is just not spelled out here. Source meaning  Source will be uh will have a name , a type , maybe a dimensionality ,


Source is just not spelled out here. Source meaning  Source will be uh will have a name , a type , maybe a dimensionality ,

Uh - huh , uh - huh. OK could it  it could also be blocked out then as


Uh - huh , uh - huh. OK could it  it could also be blocked out then as


s Source it will be , you know we 'll f we know a lot about sources so we 'll put all of that in Source.


s Source it will be , you know we 'll f we know a lot about sources so we 'll put all of that in Source.

But it 's independent whether we are using the SPG schema in an Enter , View , or Approach mode , right ?


But it 's independent whether we are using the SPG schema in an Enter , View , or Approach mode , right ?

This is just properties of the SPG  schema. We can talk about Paths being the fastest , the quickest , the nicest and so forth , uh or  or  and the Trajector should be coming in there as well.


This is just properties of the SPG  schema. We can talk about Paths being the fastest , the quickest , the nicest and so forth , uh or  or  and the Trajector should be coming in there as well.


This is just properties of the SPG  schema. We can talk about Paths being the fastest , the quickest , the nicest and so forth , uh or  or  and the Trajector should be coming in there as well.

OK. So I guess the question is when you actually fill one of these out , it 'll be under action schema ? Those are  It 's gonna be one  y you 'll pick one of those for


OK. So I guess the question is when you actually fill one of these out , it 'll be under action schema ? Those are  It 's gonna be one  y you 'll pick one of those for


OK. So I guess the question is when you actually fill one of these out , it 'll be under action schema ? Those are  It 's gonna be one  y you 'll pick one of those for

OK these are  this is just a layout of the possible that could go  play that role.


OK. So I guess the question is when you actually fill one of these out , it 'll be under action schema ? Those are  It 's gonna be one  y you 'll pick one of those for

OK these are  this is just a layout of the possible that could go  play that role.

Right , so the  the  the roles will be filled in with the schema


OK these are  this is just a layout of the possible that could go  play that role.

Right , so the  the  the roles will be filled in with the schema


Right , so the  the  the roles will be filled in with the schema

and then what actual a action is chosen is  will be in the  in the action schema section.


and then what actual a action is chosen is  will be in the  in the action schema section.

OK. OK. S S OK , so one question. This was  in this case it 's all um clear , sort of obvious , but you can think of the Enter , View and Approach as each having their roles , right ? the  I mean it 's  it 's implicit that the person that 's moving is doing entering viewing and approaching , but you know the usual thing is we have bindings between sort of  they 're sort of like action specific roles and the more general Source - Path - Goal specific roles. So are we worrying about that or not for now ?


and then what actual a action is chosen is  will be in the  in the action schema section.

OK. OK. S S OK , so one question. This was  in this case it 's all um clear , sort of obvious , but you can think of the Enter , View and Approach as each having their roles , right ? the  I mean it 's  it 's implicit that the person that 's moving is doing entering viewing and approaching , but you know the usual thing is we have bindings between sort of  they 're sort of like action specific roles and the more general Source - Path - Goal specific roles. So are we worrying about that or not for now ?

Yes , yes. Since you bring it up now , we will worry about it.


OK. OK. S S OK , so one question. This was  in this case it 's all um clear , sort of obvious , but you can think of the Enter , View and Approach as each having their roles , right ? the  I mean it 's  it 's implicit that the person that 's moving is doing entering viewing and approaching , but you know the usual thing is we have bindings between sort of  they 're sort of like action specific roles and the more general Source - Path - Goal specific roles. So are we worrying about that or not for now ?

Yes , yes. Since you bring it up now , we will worry about it.


Yes , yes. Since you bring it up now , we will worry about it.


What 's that ? Oh I guess it  I  I may be just um reading this and interpreting it into my head in the way that I 've always viewed things


What 's that ? Oh I guess it  I  I may be just um reading this and interpreting it into my head in the way that I 've always viewed things

and  that  that may or may not be what you guys intended. But if it is , then the top block is sort of like um , you know , you have to list exactly what X - schema or in this action schema , there 'll be a certain one , that has its own s structure and maybe it has stuff about that specific to entering or viewing or approaching , but those could include roles like the thing that you 're viewing , the thing that you 're entering , the thing that you 're


and  that  that may or may not be what you guys intended. But if it is , then the top block is sort of like um , you know , you have to list exactly what X - schema or in this action schema , there 'll be a certain one , that has its own s structure and maybe it has stuff about that specific to entering or viewing or approaching , but those could include roles like the thing that you 're viewing , the thing that you 're entering , the thing that you 're

So very specific role names are " viewed thing " , " entered thing "


and  that  that may or may not be what you guys intended. But if it is , then the top block is sort of like um , you know , you have to list exactly what X - schema or in this action schema , there 'll be a certain one , that has its own s structure and maybe it has stuff about that specific to entering or viewing or approaching , but those could include roles like the thing that you 're viewing , the thing that you 're entering , the thing that you 're

So very specific role names are " viewed thing " , " entered thing "

whatever , you know , that  which are  think  think of enter , view and approach as frames


So very specific role names are " viewed thing " , " entered thing "

whatever , you know , that  which are  think  think of enter , view and approach as frames


whatever , you know , that  which are  think  think of enter , view and approach as frames

and they have frame - specific parameters and  and roles


and they have frame - specific parameters and  and roles


and they have frame - specific parameters and  and roles

and you can also describe them in a general way as Source - Path - Goal schema and maybe there 's other image schemas that you could you know add after this that you know , how do they work in terms of you know a force dynamics


and they have frame - specific parameters and  and roles

and you can also describe them in a general way as Source - Path - Goal schema and maybe there 's other image schemas that you could you know add after this that you know , how do they work in terms of you know a force dynamics

Mm - hmm. Mm - hmm , Mm - hmm , Mm - hmm.


and you can also describe them in a general way as Source - Path - Goal schema and maybe there 's other image schemas that you could you know add after this that you know , how do they work in terms of you know a force dynamics

Mm - hmm. Mm - hmm , Mm - hmm , Mm - hmm.

or how do they work in f terms of other things. So all of those have um basically f either specific  frame specific roles or more general frame specific roles that might have binding. So the question is are um  how to represent when things are linked in a certain way. So we know for Enter that there 's Container potentially involved


Mm - hmm. Mm - hmm , Mm - hmm , Mm - hmm.

or how do they work in f terms of other things. So all of those have um basically f either specific  frame specific roles or more general frame specific roles that might have binding. So the question is are um  how to represent when things are linked in a certain way. So we know for Enter that there 's Container potentially involved

and it 's not  uh I don't know if you wanna have in the same level as the action schema SPG schema it  it 's somewhere in there that you need to represent that there is some container and the interior of it corresponds to some part of the Source - Path - Goal um you know goal  uh goal I guess in this case.


or how do they work in f terms of other things. So all of those have um basically f either specific  frame specific roles or more general frame specific roles that might have binding. So the question is are um  how to represent when things are linked in a certain way. So we know for Enter that there 's Container potentially involved

and it 's not  uh I don't know if you wanna have in the same level as the action schema SPG schema it  it 's somewhere in there that you need to represent that there is some container and the interior of it corresponds to some part of the Source - Path - Goal um you know goal  uh goal I guess in this case.


and it 's not  uh I don't know if you wanna have in the same level as the action schema SPG schema it  it 's somewhere in there that you need to represent that there is some container and the interior of it corresponds to some part of the Source - Path - Goal um you know goal  uh goal I guess in this case.

So uh is there an easy way in this notation to show when there 's identity basically between things


So uh is there an easy way in this notation to show when there 's identity basically between things

and I di don't know if that 's something we need to invent or you know just


So uh is there an easy way in this notation to show when there 's identity basically between things

and I di don't know if that 's something we need to invent or you know just

The  wa wasn't there supposed to be a link in the


and I di don't know if that 's something we need to invent or you know just

The  wa wasn't there supposed to be a link in the


and I di don't know if that 's something we need to invent or you know just

The  wa wasn't there supposed to be a link in the

I don't know if this answers your question , I was just staring at this while you were talking , sorry.


The  wa wasn't there supposed to be a link in the

I don't know if this answers your question , I was just staring at this while you were talking , sorry.


I don't know if this answers your question , I was just staring at this while you were talking , sorry.

Uh a link between the action schema , a field in the s in the schema for the image schemas that would link us to which action schema we were supposed to use so we could


I don't know if this answers your question , I was just staring at this while you were talking , sorry.

Uh a link between the action schema , a field in the s in the schema for the image schemas that would link us to which action schema we were supposed to use so we could

Yeah. Um , well that 's  that 's one  one thing is that we can link up , think also that um we can have one or m as many as we want links from  from the schema up to the s action um description of it.


Uh a link between the action schema , a field in the s in the schema for the image schemas that would link us to which action schema we were supposed to use so we could

Yeah. Um , well that 's  that 's one  one thing is that we can link up , think also that um we can have one or m as many as we want links from  from the schema up to the s action um description of it.


Uh a link between the action schema , a field in the s in the schema for the image schemas that would link us to which action schema we were supposed to use so we could

Yeah. Um , well that 's  that 's one  one thing is that we can link up , think also that um we can have one or m as many as we want links from  from the schema up to the s action um description of it.

But the notion I got from Nancy 's idea was that we may f find sort of concepts floating around i in the a action description of the action f " Enter " frame up there that are , e when you talk about the real world , actually identical to the goal of the  the S Source - Path - Goal schema ,


Yeah. Um , well that 's  that 's one  one thing is that we can link up , think also that um we can have one or m as many as we want links from  from the schema up to the s action um description of it.

But the notion I got from Nancy 's idea was that we may f find sort of concepts floating around i in the a action description of the action f " Enter " frame up there that are , e when you talk about the real world , actually identical to the goal of the  the S Source - Path - Goal schema ,


But the notion I got from Nancy 's idea was that we may f find sort of concepts floating around i in the a action description of the action f " Enter " frame up there that are , e when you talk about the real world , actually identical to the goal of the  the S Source - Path - Goal schema ,

and do we have means of  of telling it within that a and the answer is absolutely.


and do we have means of  of telling it within that a and the answer is absolutely.

The way  we absolutely have those means that are even part of the M - three - L A API ,


The way  we absolutely have those means that are even part of the M - three - L A API ,


The way  we absolutely have those means that are even part of the M - three - L A API ,

Great. That 's exactly what is necessary.