Oh yeah , I guess T_V_ can be stressful , yeah , if you're watching sports.

Okay , Gabriel. Let's um let's let's hear from you about the um it's  the interface.

Alright. Alright. Yeah , some of what I have to say ties into what Catherine was just talking about.


Okay , Gabriel. Let's um let's let's hear from you about the um it's  the interface.

Alright. Alright. Yeah , some of what I have to say ties into what Catherine was just talking about.


Alright. Alright. Yeah , some of what I have to say ties into what Catherine was just talking about.

Okay , so I'm continuing with the user interface uh topic. And so basically I consulted with our manufacturing division. It sounded like Catherine was also speaking with them. Uh I also took uh Reissa's marketing findings from the last meeting into consideration um , 'cause I think that's that's crucial as far as uh what keys we're going to inc inclu what buttons we are going to include and and how they're laid out.


Okay , so I'm continuing with the user interface uh topic. And so basically I consulted with our manufacturing division. It sounded like Catherine was also speaking with them. Uh I also took uh Reissa's marketing findings from the last meeting into consideration um , 'cause I think that's that's crucial as far as uh what keys we're going to inc inclu what buttons we are going to include and and how they're laid out.


Okay , so I'm continuing with the user interface uh topic. And so basically I consulted with our manufacturing division. It sounded like Catherine was also speaking with them. Uh I also took uh Reissa's marketing findings from the last meeting into consideration um , 'cause I think that's that's crucial as far as uh what keys we're going to inc inclu what buttons we are going to include and and how they're laid out.

Uh and so the manufacturing division uh sent some some samples of of uh interface components that we might be interested in using that have been used in other products , uh like the coffee machine. So I already mentioned the speech recognition interface.


Okay , so I'm continuing with the user interface uh topic. And so basically I consulted with our manufacturing division. It sounded like Catherine was also speaking with them. Uh I also took uh Reissa's marketing findings from the last meeting into consideration um , 'cause I think that's that's crucial as far as uh what keys we're going to inc inclu what buttons we are going to include and and how they're laid out.

Uh and so the manufacturing division uh sent some some samples of of uh interface components that we might be interested in using that have been used in other products , uh like the coffee machine. So I already mentioned the speech recognition interface.

I guess , we we basically vetoed that idea. It's it's pointless.


Uh and so the manufacturing division uh sent some some samples of of uh interface components that we might be interested in using that have been used in other products , uh like the coffee machine. So I already mentioned the speech recognition interface.

I guess , we we basically vetoed that idea. It's it's pointless.


Uh and so the manufacturing division uh sent some some samples of of uh interface components that we might be interested in using that have been used in other products , uh like the coffee machine. So I already mentioned the speech recognition interface.

I guess , we we basically vetoed that idea. It's it's pointless.

Uh it's just a sample sensor sample output. It would just be probably the most expensive part of our remote without any actual interesting functionality as far as operating the T_V_. Uh so yeah , they they also give the uh  they they suggested the idea of using a spinning wheel like you use on the side of an M_P_ three player like iPod.


I guess , we we basically vetoed that idea. It's it's pointless.

Uh it's just a sample sensor sample output. It would just be probably the most expensive part of our remote without any actual interesting functionality as far as operating the T_V_. Uh so yeah , they they also give the uh  they they suggested the idea of using a spinning wheel like you use on the side of an M_P_ three player like iPod.


Uh it's just a sample sensor sample output. It would just be probably the most expensive part of our remote without any actual interesting functionality as far as operating the T_V_. Uh so yeah , they they also give the uh  they they suggested the idea of using a spinning wheel like you use on the side of an M_P_ three player like iPod.


Uh it's just a sample sensor sample output. It would just be probably the most expensive part of our remote without any actual interesting functionality as far as operating the T_V_. Uh so yeah , they they also give the uh  they they suggested the idea of using a spinning wheel like you use on the side of an M_P_ three player like iPod.

Um so we've already addressed that and I think that would actually be worse for something like R_S_I_ I mean you got that thumb movement that you're constantly doing.


Um so we've already addressed that and I think that would actually be worse for something like R_S_I_ I mean you got that thumb movement that you're constantly doing.


and I I have a feeling that we're interested in in something more general , but they suggested uh , you know , going i a little bit into a a niche , like either gearing our remote towards kids , where you could have  lot of colours um , the keys might be you know , funny or or  ,


and I I have a feeling that we're interested in in something more general , but they suggested uh , you know , going i a little bit into a a niche , like either gearing our remote towards kids , where you could have  lot of colours um , the keys might be you know , funny or or  ,

or uh something for the elderly , where the remote's very large and the buttons are very large and there's only a few buttons. But you know we can we can discuss this , but it sounded like from our last meeting we really wanted something that was general , but done well.


or uh something for the elderly , where the remote's very large and the buttons are very large and there's only a few buttons. But you know we can we can discuss this , but it sounded like from our last meeting we really wanted something that was general , but done well.

Uh  um  So , the key layout and design are really crucial. You don't want uh you want people to be able to quickly access the buttons that they use a lot without uh always pressing the wrong one um. And I didn't mention that we need a power button  in our last  I can give you an example here of uh ,  good layout and bad layout


or uh something for the elderly , where the remote's very large and the buttons are very large and there's only a few buttons. But you know we can we can discuss this , but it sounded like from our last meeting we really wanted something that was general , but done well.

Uh  um  So , the key layout and design are really crucial. You don't want uh you want people to be able to quickly access the buttons that they use a lot without uh always pressing the wrong one um. And I didn't mention that we need a power button  in our last  I can give you an example here of uh ,  good layout and bad layout

uh from our manufacturing department. So this would be an example of bad layout , where you have volume up and volume down , but they have a V_ on both of them , so uh


Uh  um  So , the key layout and design are really crucial. You don't want uh you want people to be able to quickly access the buttons that they use a lot without uh always pressing the wrong one um. And I didn't mention that we need a power button  in our last  I can give you an example here of uh ,  good layout and bad layout

uh from our manufacturing department. So this would be an example of bad layout , where you have volume up and volume down , but they have a V_ on both of them , so uh


Uh  um  So , the key layout and design are really crucial. You don't want uh you want people to be able to quickly access the buttons that they use a lot without uh always pressing the wrong one um. And I didn't mention that we need a power button  in our last  I can give you an example here of uh ,  good layout and bad layout

uh from our manufacturing department. So this would be an example of bad layout , where you have volume up and volume down , but they have a V_ on both of them , so uh

it's sort of confusing for the user. Uh this is the example of the giant remote that's impossible to lose.


uh from our manufacturing department. So this would be an example of bad layout , where you have volume up and volume down , but they have a V_ on both of them , so uh

it's sort of confusing for the user. Uh this is the example of the giant remote that's impossible to lose.

Do we have an uh example of a good one ?   Brilliant.


it's sort of confusing for the user. Uh this is the example of the giant remote that's impossible to lose.

Do we have an uh example of a good one ?   Brilliant.


Do we have an uh example of a good one ?   Brilliant.


And so , yeah , I th I think my personal preferences of  we've all kind of talked about and seemed to be on the same page um. Uh so I was against the speech recognition and against going uh towards anything in in a niche sense. I think it should be more general.


And so , yeah , I th I think my personal preferences of  we've all kind of talked about and seemed to be on the same page um. Uh so I was against the speech recognition and against going uh towards anything in in a niche sense. I think it should be more general.

I didn't I didn't think the spinning-wheel or the uh L_C_ display were were crucial for us. And , yeah , that's it for me.


And so , yeah , I th I think my personal preferences of  we've all kind of talked about and seemed to be on the same page um. Uh so I was against the speech recognition and against going uh towards anything in in a niche sense. I think it should be more general.

I didn't I didn't think the spinning-wheel or the uh L_C_ display were were crucial for us. And , yeah , that's it for me.

Okay. Well let's um  so w what are our definite decisions on this then as a team ? The um  The the um the interface type we're going for


I didn't I didn't think the spinning-wheel or the uh L_C_ display were were crucial for us. And , yeah , that's it for me.

Okay. Well let's um  so w what are our definite decisions on this then as a team ? The um  The the um the interface type we're going for

So we're  we're not gonna have any sort of display I think uh.


I didn't I didn't think the spinning-wheel or the uh L_C_ display were were crucial for us. And , yeah , that's it for me.

Okay. Well let's um  so w what are our definite decisions on this then as a team ? The um  The the um the interface type we're going for

So we're  we're not gonna have any sort of display I think uh.

Just the simple s simple straight set of buttons.


Okay. Well let's um  so w what are our definite decisions on this then as a team ? The um  The the um the interface type we're going for

So we're  we're not gonna have any sort of display I think uh.

Just the simple s simple straight set of buttons.

So , yeah , it's just gonna be just gonna be push-buttons. Um. I think we shall have a limited number of buttons ,


So we're  we're not gonna have any sort of display I think uh.

Just the simple s simple straight set of buttons.

So , yeah , it's just gonna be just gonna be push-buttons. Um. I think we shall have a limited number of buttons ,


Just the simple s simple straight set of buttons.

So , yeah , it's just gonna be just gonna be push-buttons. Um. I think we shall have a limited number of buttons ,

ideally , I mean a a power , channel up , channel down , volume up , volume down , and a numerical keypad.


So , yeah , it's just gonna be just gonna be push-buttons. Um. I think we shall have a limited number of buttons ,

ideally , I mean a a power , channel up , channel down , volume up , volume down , and a numerical keypad.


ideally , I mean a a power , channel up , channel down , volume up , volume down , and a numerical keypad.

Uh. And some sort of  it will either have a a lock button like we mentioned or or a cover or something like that.


Uh. And some sort of  it will either have a a lock button like we mentioned or or a cover or something like that.

I guess it's to the point where we need to decide about that.


I guess it's to the point where we need to decide about that.


have we decided on whether w we're gonna s supplement it with anything , you know , colours or particular gimmicky bits to it , we're not we're just gonna go for something


have we decided on whether w we're gonna s supplement it with anything , you know , colours or particular gimmicky bits to it , we're not we're just gonna go for something

Um it seems like we wouldn't wanna make it too busy and too sort of gaudy ,


Um it seems like we wouldn't wanna make it too busy and too sort of gaudy ,

but um  Yeah , I would say mayb maybe a couple of colours like uh like a black with with yellow and somewhere , like maybe the R_R_ can be yellow , or something like that.


but um  Yeah , I would say mayb maybe a couple of colours like uh like a black with with yellow and somewhere , like maybe the R_R_ can be yellow , or something like that.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okey-dokey. Yeah , I don't have any other questions on this. Let's move over to


but um  Yeah , I would say mayb maybe a couple of colours like uh like a black with with yellow and somewhere , like maybe the R_R_ can be yellow , or something like that.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okey-dokey. Yeah , I don't have any other questions on this. Let's move over to

I I guess  the fact uh also that we are having a rubber case uh would prevent us from having the cover function that we thought of before.


Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okey-dokey. Yeah , I don't have any other questions on this. Let's move over to

I I guess  the fact uh also that we are having a rubber case uh would prevent us from having the cover function that we thought of before.

I mean , 'cause uh s so if we wanna have a lock of some sort it would have to be a button.


I I guess  the fact uh also that we are having a rubber case uh would prevent us from having the cover function that we thought of before.

I mean , 'cause uh s so if we wanna have a lock of some sort it would have to be a button.

But I think that should be  I mean um , I can speak with the button department , but uh I think that it should be easy to have a button that just prevents prevents the other uh the other buttons from operating.


I mean , 'cause uh s so if we wanna have a lock of some sort it would have to be a button.

But I think that should be  I mean um , I can speak with the button department , but uh I think that it should be easy to have a button that just prevents prevents the other uh the other buttons from operating.

Yeah , the button that just does that , yeah.


But I think that should be  I mean um , I can speak with the button department , but uh I think that it should be easy to have a button that just prevents prevents the other uh the other buttons from operating.

Yeah , the button that just does that , yeah.


Yeah , the button that just does that , yeah.

Right. Well , I'm just basically letting you know what's happening in the markets


Right. Well , I'm just basically letting you know what's happening in the markets


Right. Well , I'm just basically letting you know what's happening in the markets

and what the fashions are for next year. Um. So yes  , so from looking at this year's trends and fashions


and what the fashions are for next year. Um. So yes  , so from looking at this year's trends and fashions

and also recent investigation that we've done in the remote control market , we have found that for the remote control market  these are like most important aspects like that we really need to


and what the fashions are for next year. Um. So yes  , so from looking at this year's trends and fashions

and also recent investigation that we've done in the remote control market , we have found that for the remote control market  these are like most important aspects like that we really need to

which we've already probably discussed. Um  the most important aspect is look and feel. So the remote control has to look and feel fancier than the ones that already  that we already have. So it has to be


and also recent investigation that we've done in the remote control market , we have found that for the remote control market  these are like most important aspects like that we really need to

which we've already probably discussed. Um  the most important aspect is look and feel. So the remote control has to look and feel fancier than the ones that already  that we already have. So it has to be

Yeah , why should people buy this when they're already got a remote that came with the T_V_ ?


which we've already probably discussed. Um  the most important aspect is look and feel. So the remote control has to look and feel fancier than the ones that already  that we already have. So it has to be

Yeah , why should people buy this when they're already got a remote that came with the T_V_ ?


Yeah , why should people buy this when they're already got a remote that came with the T_V_ ?


Um second , uh it should be technologically innovative innovative. So


Um second , uh it should be technologically innovative innovative. So

Technologically it should be like um work , basically , I guess. It should work.


Um second , uh it should be technologically innovative innovative. So

Technologically it should be like um work , basically , I guess. It should work.

Well it should be it should be maybe cutting edge in some sense ,


Technologically it should be like um work , basically , I guess. It should work.

Well it should be it should be maybe cutting edge in some sense ,


Technologically it should be like um work , basically , I guess. It should work.

Well it should be it should be maybe cutting edge in some sense ,

I mean have something that's little more technologically advanced than what's on the market.


Well it should be it should be maybe cutting edge in some sense ,

I mean have something that's little more technologically advanced than what's on the market.


I mean have something that's little more technologically advanced than what's on the market.

Okay , now the trouble is is we've already decided that we're going with the stuff that works already , that's cheap.


Okay , now the trouble is is we've already decided that we're going with the stuff that works already , that's cheap.

Yeah. Yeah. Actually , I mean , these first two points we've already sort of gone away from ,


Yeah. Yeah. Actually , I mean , these first two points we've already sort of gone away from ,


I mean it's different , but I wouldn't say like a rubber remote is fancy. If that's what people want then we  maybe we're going in the wrong direction. And it's it's not technologically innovative either.


That's why I was thinking , Bluetooth , 'cause if you like put up Bluetooth , and it's like a Bluetooth remote control , everybody's gonna like , oh , 'cause Bluetooth is the in thing nowadays , like it really is  , like people  and um when it comes to marketing like that's what people go for , they don't really care whether , you know , at the end of the day whether it works properly or not.


That's why I was thinking , Bluetooth , 'cause if you like put up Bluetooth , and it's like a Bluetooth remote control , everybody's gonna like , oh , 'cause Bluetooth is the in thing nowadays , like it really is  , like people  and um when it comes to marketing like that's what people go for , they don't really care whether , you know , at the end of the day whether it works properly or not.

One hundred per cent , that's your first thing , you go , oh I'm not gonna buy that , 'cause I dunno if it works or not.


One hundred per cent , that's your first thing , you go , oh I'm not gonna buy that , 'cause I dunno if it works or not.

Yeah , but it looks good. If it looks good and it's  it can just be there for decoration.


One hundred per cent , that's your first thing , you go , oh I'm not gonna buy that , 'cause I dunno if it works or not.

Yeah , but it looks good. If it looks good and it's  it can just be there for decoration.

Okay , well , what do you two think about this ?


One hundred per cent , that's your first thing , you go , oh I'm not gonna buy that , 'cause I dunno if it works or not.

Yeah , but it looks good. If it looks good and it's  it can just be there for decoration.

Okay , well , what do you two think about this ?

So is is the advantage of Bluetooth that you can just like synchronise it with other


Yeah , but it looks good. If it looks good and it's  it can just be there for decoration.

Okay , well , what do you two think about this ?

So is is the advantage of Bluetooth that you can just like synchronise it with other


Okay , well , what do you two think about this ?

So is is the advantage of Bluetooth that you can just like synchronise it with other


So is is the advantage of Bluetooth that you can just like synchronise it with other


Yeah , that's basically what it allows you to do ,


Yeah , that's basically what it allows you to do ,

and it  this is just gonna   all this is being used for is your television.


and it  this is just gonna   all this is being used for is your television.


and it  this is just gonna   all this is being used for is your television.

It would  that would mean you'd need a television that has Bluetooth in it , which no no television does ,


and it  this is just gonna   all this is being used for is your television.

It would  that would mean you'd need a television that has Bluetooth in it , which no no television does ,

Well , if you're looking at   if you  looking at something that's going to be bought by people , you have to make it new , you have to make it state of the art.


It would  that would mean you'd need a television that has Bluetooth in it , which no no television does ,

Well , if you're looking at   if you  looking at something that's going to be bought by people , you have to make it new , you have to make it state of the art.


It would  that would mean you'd need a television that has Bluetooth in it , which no no television does ,

Well , if you're looking at   if you  looking at something that's going to be bought by people , you have to make it new , you have to make it state of the art.

does it ? That would mean we'd have to make a television as well.


Well , if you're looking at   if you  looking at something that's going to be bought by people , you have to make it new , you have to make it state of the art.

does it ? That would mean we'd have to make a television as well.

Bluetooth would , for example , enable you , I think , to um um connect  for example you if you get a w call on your mobile phone , but your mobile phone is downstairs or something , you would get on your television you're being called by this person right now. Things like that.


does it ? That would mean we'd have to make a television as well.

Bluetooth would , for example , enable you , I think , to um um connect  for example you if you get a w call on your mobile phone , but your mobile phone is downstairs or something , you would get on your television you're being called by this person right now. Things like that.

No , that would be your telephone  in with your television.


Bluetooth would , for example , enable you , I think , to um um connect  for example you if you get a w call on your mobile phone , but your mobile phone is downstairs or something , you would get on your television you're being called by this person right now. Things like that.

No , that would be your telephone  in with your television.

Yeah , the  that wouldn't be the remote so much ,


No , that would be your telephone  in with your television.

Yeah , the  that wouldn't be the remote so much ,


Yeah , the  that wouldn't be the remote so much ,


No , but if you get Bluetooth on the remote , you'd be able to


No , but if you get Bluetooth on the remote , you'd be able to

Nah , the televi the television would have to be a Bluetooth compatible , basically.


No , but if you get Bluetooth on the remote , you'd be able to

Nah , the televi the television would have to be a Bluetooth compatible , basically.

I with the television , yeah.  I was just trying to find an advantage. Wha what w what advantage would you get for the


Nah , the televi the television would have to be a Bluetooth compatible , basically.

I with the television , yeah.  I was just trying to find an advantage. Wha what w what advantage would you get for the


I with the television , yeah.  I was just trying to find an advantage. Wha what w what advantage would you get for the

An and there is no there is no such thing


An and there is no there is no such thing

Like it doesn't have to be , you know , Bluetooth , that was just an idea , but like it needs do something that , you know , is new. Whether it's a battery  it could be something really really minor , you know , like  but I think we are really keeping to what is already out there , and people've already seen it , people've already got it.


An and there is no there is no such thing

Like it doesn't have to be , you know , Bluetooth , that was just an idea , but like it needs do something that , you know , is new. Whether it's a battery  it could be something really really minor , you know , like  but I think we are really keeping to what is already out there , and people've already seen it , people've already got it.

If we want something new , we need to move away from what we already have and um just go creative.


Like it doesn't have to be , you know , Bluetooth , that was just an idea , but like it needs do something that , you know , is new. Whether it's a battery  it could be something really really minor , you know , like  but I think we are really keeping to what is already out there , and people've already seen it , people've already got it.

If we want something new , we need to move away from what we already have and um just go creative.

Maybe the kinetic mo provision of energy then. It's been done for watches , but I haven't seen that for remotes , yet.


If we want something new , we need to move away from what we already have and um just go creative.

Maybe the kinetic mo provision of energy then. It's been done for watches , but I haven't seen that for remotes , yet.

Okay.  Yeah , this  that's that's very good.


If we want something new , we need to move away from what we already have and um just go creative.

Maybe the kinetic mo provision of energy then. It's been done for watches , but I haven't seen that for remotes , yet.

Okay.  Yeah , this  that's that's very good.

And then you can market it. Never have to change a battery again.


Maybe the kinetic mo provision of energy then. It's been done for watches , but I haven't seen that for remotes , yet.

Okay.  Yeah , this  that's that's very good.

And then you can market it. Never have to change a battery again.


Okay.  Yeah , this  that's that's very good.

And then you can market it. Never have to change a battery again.

And and this is all tying in very nicely.


And then you can market it. Never have to change a battery again.

And and this is all tying in very nicely.

The fact that it's made out of this rubber , we can throw it about. Th we should encourage people to throw their remote controls about , because it charges itself up by doing it.


And and this is all tying in very nicely.

The fact that it's made out of this rubber , we can throw it about. Th we should encourage people to throw their remote controls about , because it charges itself up by doing it.

Yeah , well , and in little characters you say , yeah , but not too much.


The fact that it's made out of this rubber , we can throw it about. Th we should encourage people to throw their remote controls about , because it charges itself up by doing it.

Yeah , well , and in little characters you say , yeah , but not too much.


Yeah , well , and in little characters you say , yeah , but not too much.


Yeah , we can make the squeezing of the rubber be the be the generating  like the energy generator.


Yeah , we can make the squeezing of the rubber be the be the generating  like the energy generator.

Yeah. Third most important aspect  uh is it's easy to use.


Yeah. Third most important aspect  uh is it's easy to use.

And I think we've all um worked that out. Um okay , in the fashion , how it's supposed to look. Next year's fashion i very much in fruit and vegetables are thm are like the theme for cloths , shoes and furniture.  So next year people will be buying  , I found this really funny  , you know , strawberry shaped chairs ,


Yeah. Third most important aspect  uh is it's easy to use.

And I think we've all um worked that out. Um okay , in the fashion , how it's supposed to look. Next year's fashion i very much in fruit and vegetables are thm are like the theme for cloths , shoes and furniture.  So next year people will be buying  , I found this really funny  , you know , strawberry shaped chairs ,

Okay , so we could have keys that are like a b like a broccoli key and a uh and an avocado key on them.


And I think we've all um worked that out. Um okay , in the fashion , how it's supposed to look. Next year's fashion i very much in fruit and vegetables are thm are like the theme for cloths , shoes and furniture.  So next year people will be buying  , I found this really funny  , you know , strawberry shaped chairs ,

Okay , so we could have keys that are like a b like a broccoli key and a uh and an avocado key on them.


Okay , so we could have keys that are like a b like a broccoli key and a uh and an avocado key on them.


Rubber things.  Um  and as it's rubber the feel which is in this year is spongy , so it's it's not quite spongy , but spongy , I would say is


Rubber things.  Um  and as it's rubber the feel which is in this year is spongy , so it's it's not quite spongy , but spongy , I would say is

Well spongy , that's where . Yeah , we're we're ahead of the game there.


Well spongy , that's where . Yeah , we're we're ahead of the game there.

Yeah. And so personal  what I was just saying like move away from the current remote controls uh like the look and the feel of the current ones and change the look and feel , while still keeping to the company's image , basically. So yeah.


Yeah. And so personal  what I was just saying like move away from the current remote controls uh like the look and the feel of the current ones and change the look and feel , while still keeping to the company's image , basically. So yeah.


So we're moving in the right direction like


So we're moving in the right direction like

Alright , yeah , no , this i this is good ,


So we're moving in the right direction like

Alright , yeah , no , this i this is good ,

so through all that we've  we go we're  right , we're gonna go go back to um going with the kinetic thing ,


Alright , yeah , no , this i this is good ,

so through all that we've  we go we're  right , we're gonna go go back to um going with the kinetic thing ,


so through all that we've  we go we're  right , we're gonna go go back to um going with the kinetic thing ,


so through all that we've  we go we're  right , we're gonna go go back to um going with the kinetic thing ,

that's great , using the spongy rubber that we were talking about that anti-R_S_I_ you can  as you squeeze it you are not only therapeuticising yourself , you are charging the batteries  ,


that's great , using the spongy rubber that we were talking about that anti-R_S_I_ you can  as you squeeze it you are not only therapeuticising yourself , you are charging the batteries  ,


that's great , using the spongy rubber that we were talking about that anti-R_S_I_ you can  as you squeeze it you are not only therapeuticising yourself , you are charging the batteries  ,

and um I'm not sure about the buttons being in the shape of fruit though.


and um I'm not sure about the buttons being in the shape of fruit though.


and um I'm not sure about the buttons being in the shape of fruit though.

We don't have to follow every trend , I guess.


We don't have to follow every trend , I guess.

Maybe make it like fruity colours or something.


Maybe make it like fruity colours or something.

The power button could be like a big apple or something.


The power button could be like a big apple or something.


The power button could be like a big apple or something.

Well yeah , but Apple would sue you for that.


Well yeah , but Apple would sue you for that.

They don they don't own  all images of apples.


They don they don't own  all images of apples.

Okay , we'll make it a uh pomegranate , a big pomegranate.


They don they don't own  all images of apples.

Okay , we'll make it a uh pomegranate , a big pomegranate.

Well , okay , it seems like the only thing that we haven't really finally um agreed on is its image. Like , yeah , we're we're saying no we don't want it to be fruit and vegetables , but we dunno what it should be ,


Okay , we'll make it a uh pomegranate , a big pomegranate.

Well , okay , it seems like the only thing that we haven't really finally um agreed on is its image. Like , yeah , we're we're saying no we don't want it to be fruit and vegetables , but we dunno what it should be ,

or like are we going  yeah it looks slick , but what do what do we mean by slick sort of thing ?


Okay , we'll make it a uh pomegranate , a big pomegranate.

Well , okay , it seems like the only thing that we haven't really finally um agreed on is its image. Like , yeah , we're we're saying no we don't want it to be fruit and vegetables , but we dunno what it should be ,

or like are we going  yeah it looks slick , but what do what do we mean by slick sort of thing ?

Well   I think , if it's rubber it needs to be


Well , okay , it seems like the only thing that we haven't really finally um agreed on is its image. Like , yeah , we're we're saying no we don't want it to be fruit and vegetables , but we dunno what it should be ,

or like are we going  yeah it looks slick , but what do what do we mean by slick sort of thing ?

Well   I think , if it's rubber it needs to be

I mean you said earlier on i  it should be funky.


or like are we going  yeah it looks slick , but what do what do we mean by slick sort of thing ?

Well   I think , if it's rubber it needs to be

I mean you said earlier on i  it should be funky.

different. I think , it's  it should be  I mean , what do you associate with rubber ? You know like


Well   I think , if it's rubber it needs to be

I mean you said earlier on i  it should be funky.

different. I think , it's  it should be  I mean , what do you associate with rubber ? You know like


I mean you said earlier on i  it should be funky.

different. I think , it's  it should be  I mean , what do you associate with rubber ? You know like


different. I think , it's  it should be  I mean , what do you associate with rubber ? You know like

Okay , sor I sorry , I used the wrong word , what do you associate with the mate the material  that material ?  Um


Okay , sor I sorry , I used the wrong word , what do you associate with the mate the material  that material ?  Um

Um like I'm just thinking bright colours.


Um like I'm just thinking bright colours.


Like no lime green or bright yellow or bright pink. Wanna make it different colours so  anybody can choo like like


Like no lime green or bright yellow or bright pink. Wanna make it different colours so  anybody can choo like like

Like the volume buttons should be the  all the same colour and the d and the the channel buttons should be one colour and stuff like that , do you mean ?


Like no lime green or bright yellow or bright pink. Wanna make it different colours so  anybody can choo like like

Like the volume buttons should be the  all the same colour and the d and the the channel buttons should be one colour and stuff like that , do you mean ?

Yeah. And on the back of it have the logo.


Like the volume buttons should be the  all the same colour and the d and the the channel buttons should be one colour and stuff like that , do you mean ?

Yeah. And on the back of it have the logo.


Yeah. And on the back of it have the logo.


The one thing I'm wondering about , I hope that we're not going like too much down a gimmicky road of of having


The one thing I'm wondering about , I hope that we're not going like too much down a gimmicky road of of having

I mean if somebody go goes into the store they're gonna see like three or four normal remotes , and then a big spongy pink t tomato uh remote.


I mean if somebody go goes into the store they're gonna see like three or four normal remotes , and then a big spongy pink t tomato uh remote.


I mean if somebody go goes into the store they're gonna see like three or four normal remotes , and then a big spongy pink t tomato uh remote.

I mean  what are ninety per cent of people gonna take ?


I mean  what are ninety per cent of people gonna take ?

Well   I can say in this country , you'll get , you know , lots of people wanting something really funky and cool. Like  and kids will be walking in with their parents saying , Mummy I wanna buy that one.


I mean  what are ninety per cent of people gonna take ?

Well   I can say in this country , you'll get , you know , lots of people wanting something really funky and cool. Like  and kids will be walking in with their parents saying , Mummy I wanna buy that one.

And uh parents will see the will see the pro as well , because it's um like kids won't break it , it's not breakable if you throw it around.


Well   I can say in this country , you'll get , you know , lots of people wanting something really funky and cool. Like  and kids will be walking in with their parents saying , Mummy I wanna buy that one.

And uh parents will see the will see the pro as well , because it's um like kids won't break it , it's not breakable if you throw it around.

Especially with younger kids , you know they can pick it up and and  Yeah. The only thing is is that really small kids might chew on it , but


And uh parents will see the will see the pro as well , because it's um like kids won't break it , it's not breakable if you throw it around.

Especially with younger kids , you know they can pick it up and and  Yeah. The only thing is is that really small kids might chew on it , but


Especially with younger kids , you know they can pick it up and and  Yeah. The only thing is is that really small kids might chew on it , but


and also for different families , like like family use as well , so for little kids and for old ki like teenagers will like it , I think. Especially maybe younger girls if it's in pink they'll be like  pink remote control for their room something.


and also for different families , like like family use as well , so for little kids and for old ki like teenagers will like it , I think. Especially maybe younger girls if it's in pink they'll be like  pink remote control for their room something.

So , what are you saying , maybe we should market it in different colours for different


and also for different families , like like family use as well , so for little kids and for old ki like teenagers will like it , I think. Especially maybe younger girls if it's in pink they'll be like  pink remote control for their room something.

So , what are you saying , maybe we should market it in different colours for different

so we could do like the pink range , the blue range , the green range , the


So , what are you saying , maybe we should market it in different colours for different

so we could do like the pink range , the blue range , the green range , the


so we could do like the pink range , the blue range , the green range , the


so we could do like the pink range , the blue range , the green range , the

So like you walk in , you're like , oh I like that remote control , because it's so bright , and then , and then the shop assistant comes up and says , oh what colour would you like ? and then they go like , oh I can choose the colour  wow. So it puts , I think , even the customer into more control over what they're buying instead of , you've got all colour it's either that or nothing. So they also get to pick. Well , personally I like walking into a shop and choosing a colour.


So like you walk in , you're like , oh I like that remote control , because it's so bright , and then , and then the shop assistant comes up and says , oh what colour would you like ? and then they go like , oh I can choose the colour  wow. So it puts , I think , even the customer into more control over what they're buying instead of , you've got all colour it's either that or nothing. So they also get to pick. Well , personally I like walking into a shop and choosing a colour.

Yeah I mean , that that seems to work well with for products like iPod ,


So like you walk in , you're like , oh I like that remote control , because it's so bright , and then , and then the shop assistant comes up and says , oh what colour would you like ? and then they go like , oh I can choose the colour  wow. So it puts , I think , even the customer into more control over what they're buying instead of , you've got all colour it's either that or nothing. So they also get to pick. Well , personally I like walking into a shop and choosing a colour.

Yeah I mean , that that seems to work well with for products like iPod ,

where , you know , you have a variety of colours , that people feel like they're customising it when they buy it , even , you know , just just by the fact of choosing.


Yeah I mean , that that seems to work well with for products like iPod ,

where , you know , you have a variety of colours , that people feel like they're customising it when they buy it , even , you know , just just by the fact of choosing.


where , you know , you have a variety of colours , that people feel like they're customising it when they buy it , even , you know , just just by the fact of choosing.


where , you know , you have a variety of colours , that people feel like they're customising it when they buy it , even , you know , just just by the fact of choosing.

Although I'd be curious to see how many uh


Although I'd be curious to see how many uh


Although I'd be curious to see how many uh

You know , there are some colours that I wouldn I would never choose , and I would be curious how many people choose that colour.


Although I'd be curious to see how many uh

You know , there are some colours that I wouldn I would never choose , and I would be curious how many people choose that colour.

Well that's that can be down to bit of market researching you know ,


You know , there are some colours that I wouldn I would never choose , and I would be curious how many people choose that colour.

Well that's that can be down to bit of market researching you know ,


You know , there are some colours that I wouldn I would never choose , and I would be curious how many people choose that colour.

Well that's that can be down to bit of market researching you know ,

if that's easy enough to find out what colours are more popular.


Well that's that can be down to bit of market researching you know ,

if that's easy enough to find out what colours are more popular.


if that's easy enough to find out what colours are more popular.


if that's easy enough to find out what colours are more popular.

And produce less of the silly colours , maybe.


And produce less of the silly colours , maybe.


And produce less of the silly colours , maybe.

Okay. Alright. Well um , we'll  alright let's  what we're gonna aim to get together by the next meeting then um  is from you Catherine wi your y y you know you're gonna be working on the the look and feel design.


Okay. Alright. Well um , we'll  alright let's  what we're gonna aim to get together by the next meeting then um  is from you Catherine wi your y y you know you're gonna be working on the the look and feel design.

Um Gabriel , you're gonna be working on , you know  come up with the the user interface design. Then basically , you two are gonna be working together on this. You won't be going off to your separate offices.


Um Gabriel , you're gonna be working on , you know  come up with the the user interface design. Then basically , you two are gonna be working together on this. You won't be going off to your separate offices.


Um Gabriel , you're gonna be working on , you know  come up with the the user interface design. Then basically , you two are gonna be working together on this. You won't be going off to your separate offices.

Um and I think you are gonna get a chance to play with some clay.


Um and I think you are gonna get a chance to play with some clay.


come up ki you know , be ab for the next meeting be able to come in and show us some some i some physical ideas. 'Cause at the moment , uh you know , it's it's hard.


come up ki you know , be ab for the next meeting be able to come in and show us some some i some physical ideas. 'Cause at the moment , uh you know , it's it's hard.

We were kinda going , yeah , it's gotta feel nice , it's gotta look cool and that it's


We were kinda going , yeah , it's gotta feel nice , it's gotta look cool and that it's


We were kinda going , yeah , it's gotta feel nice , it's gotta look cool and that it's

you know now we can actually start , you know , s some sort of physical something or other.


you know now we can actually start , you know , s some sort of physical something or other.


you know now we can actually start , you know , s some sort of physical something or other.

Um and you're gonna be working on the product evaluation.


Um and you're gonna be working on the product evaluation.


Um and you're gonna be working on the product evaluation.

talking to the bosses , basically , and uh


talking to the bosses , basically , and uh


talking to the bosses , basically , and uh

that's it really. Keeping things t well , uh you know , ho hopefully uh keeping things together. Um. Yeah , that's  This is this is uh good. So we know for definite we know we've we've now got some definite things going on. We definitely know how it's powered ,


that's it really. Keeping things t well , uh you know , ho hopefully uh keeping things together. Um. Yeah , that's  This is this is uh good. So we know for definite we know we've we've now got some definite things going on. We definitely know how it's powered ,


that's it really. Keeping things t well , uh you know , ho hopefully uh keeping things together. Um. Yeah , that's  This is this is uh good. So we know for definite we know we've we've now got some definite things going on. We definitely know how it's powered ,

we definitely know that um it's gonna be a simple buttons , we're not gonna be going for the new technological chip on print expensive things , so we've we're keeping the costs down. It's this rubber casing that we can sell as um fun and funky. Don't know of any other remote controls that are made out of this stuff.


we definitely know that um it's gonna be a simple buttons , we're not gonna be going for the new technological chip on print expensive things , so we've we're keeping the costs down. It's this rubber casing that we can sell as um fun and funky. Don't know of any other remote controls that are made out of this stuff.

People , you know , people are saying , oh , standard stuff gives you repetitive strain injury , well this remote control is designed to do the complete opposite ,


People , you know , people are saying , oh , standard stuff gives you repetitive strain injury , well this remote control is designed to do the complete opposite ,

It's supposed to fix it rather than cause it. Um.  you know , we're gonna we we're gonna as a sort of extra something on it , you know what what extra things  are there extra things this product have ? We'll look into this lock key


It's supposed to fix it rather than cause it. Um.  you know , we're gonna we we're gonna as a sort of extra something on it , you know what what extra things  are there extra things this product have ? We'll look into this lock key

facility , although whether or not it happens ,  or is possible , I don't know , but something to look into. Okay. I think that's um  well done everybody. Anyone have any uh any questions ,


facility , although whether or not it happens ,  or is possible , I don't know , but something to look into. Okay. I think that's um  well done everybody. Anyone have any uh any questions ,

everyone know what they're doing ? 'Cause if you don't , you'll  I'm sure you'll soon get an e-mail about it.


everyone know what they're doing ? 'Cause if you don't , you'll  I'm sure you'll soon get an e-mail about it.


everyone know what they're doing ? 'Cause if you don't , you'll  I'm sure you'll soon get an e-mail about it.

Mm , I think we all know what we need to do now.


Mm , I think we all know what we need to do now.


It's um we're we've still couple of minutes until our meeting's due to finish. But um I got a note saying that you two who are gonna be working together


It's um we're we've still couple of minutes until our meeting's due to finish. But um I got a note saying that you two who are gonna be working together

so bef before you all disappear off just


so bef before you all disappear off just


Does the pay-raise immediately come into effect on our next pay-check , or is that


Does the pay-raise immediately come into effect on our next pay-check , or is that

Um I think , it's uh , yeah , I think , it's gonna be par part more of a profit sharing on the product.


Does the pay-raise immediately come into effect on our next pay-check , or is that

Um I think , it's uh , yeah , I think , it's gonna be par part more of a profit sharing on the product.

So we're buying fut I mean , we're getting futures in the company .


Does the pay-raise immediately come into effect on our next pay-check , or is that

Um I think , it's uh , yeah , I think , it's gonna be par part more of a profit sharing on the product.

So we're buying fut I mean , we're getting futures in the company .

Yeah , I think i I think that's I think that's the way it's gonna happen at the moment.


Um I think , it's uh , yeah , I think , it's gonna be par part more of a profit sharing on the product.

So we're buying fut I mean , we're getting futures in the company .

Yeah , I think i I think that's I think that's the way it's gonna happen at the moment.

So we really have a incentive to make this remote work.


So we're buying fut I mean , we're getting futures in the company .

Yeah , I think i I think that's I think that's the way it's gonna happen at the moment.

So we really have a incentive to make this remote work.


Yeah , I think i I think that's I think that's the way it's gonna happen at the moment.

So we really have a incentive to make this remote work.

I'd like to share in the coffee machine profits , because that's really doing well.


So we really have a incentive to make this remote work.

I'd like to share in the coffee machine profits , because that's really doing well.

I want a share in the space rocket. Did you  see that this k that this company  we've made a spaceship.


I'd like to share in the coffee machine profits , because that's really doing well.

I want a share in the space rocket. Did you  see that this k that this company  we've made a spaceship.


I want a share in the space rocket. Did you  see that this k that this company  we've made a spaceship.

This company has its its fingers in a lot of different pots.


This company has its its fingers in a lot of different pots.


This company has its its fingers in a lot of different pots.

Yeah , we're definitely not in the money making department.


Yeah , we're definitely not in the money making department.

Well I I did notice looking at  I mean , they told you that they wanted whatev our product to represent the the R_R_ brand and and to be immediately noticeable.


Yeah , we're definitely not in the money making department.

Well I I did notice looking at  I mean , they told you that they wanted whatev our product to represent the the R_R_ brand and and to be immediately noticeable.

I mean , if you look like at the coffee maker at the at the corporate web page , it's not obvious.


Well I I did notice looking at  I mean , they told you that they wanted whatev our product to represent the the R_R_ brand and and to be immediately noticeable.

I mean , if you look like at the coffee maker at the at the corporate web page , it's not obvious.


I mean , if you look like at the coffee maker at the at the corporate web page , it's not obvious.

R_R_. Well it is to us , because we we worked worked here for years and we use that coffee machine , but it's  doesn't have the colour scheme of of the of the company anywhere on it obviously it's just sil silver and black.


R_R_. Well it is to us , because we we worked worked here for years and we use that coffee machine , but it's  doesn't have the colour scheme of of the of the company anywhere on it obviously it's just sil silver and black.


R_R_. Well it is to us , because we we worked worked here for years and we use that coffee machine , but it's  doesn't have the colour scheme of of the of the company anywhere on it obviously it's just sil silver and black.

And the spaceship doesn't have the R_   have a massive R_ and R_ down the side of it


And the spaceship doesn't have the R_   have a massive R_ and R_ down the side of it


Okay. Um I've just had a sign flashing up saying , finish the meeting.


Yeah. It's not telling  it's not saying do anything in particular just yet. So maybe you should go back to your own offices.


Okay. Um here's the agenda for our last meeting.


Okay. Um here's the agenda for our last meeting.

Um after the opening we're going to have a prototype presentation , then we're going to discuss the evaluation criteria and the financing of our remote. Then we're going to evaluate the product and I think the whole production process , and then we're gonna close it up , and we have forty minutes , so let's get started. Oh , no , let's have the prototype presentation.


Um after the opening we're going to have a prototype presentation , then we're going to discuss the evaluation criteria and the financing of our remote. Then we're going to evaluate the product and I think the whole production process , and then we're gonna close it up , and we have forty minutes , so let's get started. Oh , no , let's have the prototype presentation.


Y you read that stuff , since you wrote it.


Y you read that stuff , since you wrote it.

Okay. Well , since our materials aren't exactly what we were going for , I'm just gonna translate what this all means for you.


Y you read that stuff , since you wrote it.

Okay. Well , since our materials aren't exactly what we were going for , I'm just gonna translate what this all means for you.

The base is gonna be gunmetal gray , which is what we had decided , and it's gonna be plastic. Um then there's the latex cover , which is what you see as red. Um because it can be replaceable , we just kinda went with the colour.


Okay. Well , since our materials aren't exactly what we were going for , I'm just gonna translate what this all means for you.

The base is gonna be gunmetal gray , which is what we had decided , and it's gonna be plastic. Um then there's the latex cover , which is what you see as red. Um because it can be replaceable , we just kinda went with the colour.


The base is gonna be gunmetal gray , which is what we had decided , and it's gonna be plastic. Um then there's the latex cover , which is what you see as red. Um because it can be replaceable , we just kinda went with the colour.

Um and then the buttons are actually kind of poking through rather than on top. Um and the buttons will be a l much lighter blue , almost see-through.


Um and then the buttons are actually kind of poking through rather than on top. Um and the buttons will be a l much lighter blue , almost see-through.

It's just sort of a very pale blue and a light-up yellow.


It's just sort of a very pale blue and a light-up yellow.


It's just sort of a very pale blue and a light-up yellow.

The whole thing lights up if you press any button , rather than it  just that one button will light up.


The whole thing lights up if you press any button , rather than it  just that one button will light up.


The whole thing lights up if you press any button , rather than it  just that one button will light up.

Um and then at the bottom we have our logo. Um bright yellow sort of design with the R_R_  which will actually look like our logo.


Um and then at the bottom we have our logo. Um bright yellow sort of design with the R_R_  which will actually look like our logo.

And then on the side you have the buttons.  They're one button , but they kind of push up and down.


And then on the side you have the buttons.  They're one button , but they kind of push up and down.


Right , yeah. And then  yeah , the buttons.


Right , yeah. And then  yeah , the buttons.

On off switch will be here and as you've noticed on our prototype um they've ended up with a curvature kind of , by concave sort of thing , except for , you know ,  can't see underneath.


Right , yeah. And then  yeah , the buttons.

On off switch will be here and as you've noticed on our prototype um they've ended up with a curvature kind of , by concave sort of thing , except for , you know ,  can't see underneath.

So I'm hoping that when we get to production we can actually make them like that , because they're very nice to stock  you know , stick your finger in. Um the two squared buttons are are two probably least used , menu , mute ,


On off switch will be here and as you've noticed on our prototype um they've ended up with a curvature kind of , by concave sort of thing , except for , you know ,  can't see underneath.

So I'm hoping that when we get to production we can actually make them like that , because they're very nice to stock  you know , stick your finger in. Um the two squared buttons are are two probably least used , menu , mute ,


So I'm hoping that when we get to production we can actually make them like that , because they're very nice to stock  you know , stick your finger in. Um the two squared buttons are are two probably least used , menu , mute ,


So I'm hoping that when we get to production we can actually make them like that , because they're very nice to stock  you know , stick your finger in. Um the two squared buttons are are two probably least used , menu , mute ,

and then these are the numbers , so our channel and our volume will be on either side.


and then these are the numbers , so our channel and our volume will be on either side.

Yeah. And then the last thing is just that it'll be black labelling on top , just which we didn't do.


and then these are the numbers , so our channel and our volume will be on either side.

Yeah. And then the last thing is just that it'll be black labelling on top , just which we didn't do.

Okay. And did you determine um the curvature of the bottom part of it for the hand , is it gonna be a single or a double ?


Yeah. And then the last thing is just that it'll be black labelling on top , just which we didn't do.

Okay. And did you determine um the curvature of the bottom part of it for the hand , is it gonna be a single or a double ?


Okay. And did you determine um the curvature of the bottom part of it for the hand , is it gonna be a single or a double ?


'cause it's not big enough to really constitute a double.


'cause it's not big enough to really constitute a double.

Yeah , it's only actually the size of my hand.


Yeah , it's only actually the size of my hand.

Great. Great. I think you did an awesome job.


Great. Great. I think you did an awesome job.

It is beautiful , and it's everything that we discussed.


It is beautiful , and it's everything that we discussed.


what's next in our agenda ? Um we're gonna discuss the evaluation criteria , and that's with Courtney.


what's next in our agenda ? Um we're gonna discuss the evaluation criteria , and that's with Courtney.

Okay , it's a PowerPoint presentation. I don't really know exactly what we should uh talk about. It's under evaluation.


what's next in our agenda ? Um we're gonna discuss the evaluation criteria , and that's with Courtney.

Okay , it's a PowerPoint presentation. I don't really know exactly what we should uh talk about. It's under evaluation.

Alright. Um so these are the criteria we're gonna ask , is it easy to use , is it fashionable uh  yeah , I guess we should write these down so we can reference them.


Okay , it's a PowerPoint presentation. I don't really know exactly what we should uh talk about. It's under evaluation.

Alright. Um so these are the criteria we're gonna ask , is it easy to use , is it fashionable uh  yeah , I guess we should write these down so we can reference them.


Alright. Um so these are the criteria we're gonna ask , is it easy to use , is it fashionable uh  yeah , I guess we should write these down so we can reference them.


Yeah , it was a little difficult to incorporate the cover with the cherry fruit on it.


Yeah , it was a little difficult to incorporate the cover with the cherry fruit on it.

Yeah. But it's  so we do have removable covers , right ?


Yeah. But it's  so we do have removable covers , right ?


It's good. Yeah. Okay so , we're using the criteria uh for a seven point scale , and so we need to discuss how we feel. It falls within this range , so for easy to use , do we feel it's very easy to use ?


It's good. Yeah. Okay so , we're using the criteria uh for a seven point scale , and so we need to discuss how we feel. It falls within this range , so for easy to use , do we feel it's very easy to use ?

I say we individually rate  what do you say ?


I say we individually rate  what do you say ?


No. I mean like no , I think it's very fashionable.


I'll give it a two , because at the moment it's not looking that way.


I'll give it a two , because at the moment it's not looking that way.

Well , that's that's just like  that's a clay , it's a prototype.


Well , that's that's just like  that's a clay , it's a prototype.


Neither are all o all the customers we have , either.


Neither are all o all the customers we have , either.

Imagine , since we obviously don't have that.


Imagine , since we obviously don't have that.


And it's i it is very ergonomically designed. It's gonna be curved.


Is it technologically innovative ? Oh sorry I'm taking over your job here.


Um yeah , I mean and it  does it have voice  I mean the phrase recognition on it ?


Um yeah , I mean and it  does it have voice  I mean the phrase recognition on it ?

Yes. Right ? We were able to do it with that kind of chip.


Um yeah , I mean and it  does it have voice  I mean the phrase recognition on it ?

Yes. Right ? We were able to do it with that kind of chip.

We could do it with the chip , yes. It wasn't  we have no reflection of it on the prototype ,


Yes. Right ? We were able to do it with that kind of chip.

We could do it with the chip , yes. It wasn't  we have no reflection of it on the prototype ,

And there's no way you can represent it on here. Y


We could do it with the chip , yes. It wasn't  we have no reflection of it on the prototype ,

And there's no way you can represent it on here. Y


We could do it with the chip , yes. It wasn't  we have no reflection of it on the prototype ,

And there's no way you can represent it on here. Y

but that's because it's only two dimensions , really.


And there's no way you can represent it on here. Y

but that's because it's only two dimensions , really.

That was  'kay. And we discussed that being included.


but that's because it's only two dimensions , really.

That was  'kay. And we discussed that being included.


That was  'kay. And we discussed that being included.

Then yes , then I would  well it isn't  what else would it need for it to be technologically innovative ?


Then yes , then I would  well it isn't  what else would it need for it to be technologically innovative ?


Then yes , then I would  well it isn't  what else would it need for it to be technologically innovative ?

Well we don' have the  you know , we can't say channel , and it changes the channel , channel eight.


Then yes , then I would  well it isn't  what else would it need for it to be technologically innovative ?

Well we don' have the  you know , we can't say channel , and it changes the channel , channel eight.

And it doesn't cover anything other then T_V_ ,


Well we don' have the  you know , we can't say channel , and it changes the channel , channel eight.

And it doesn't cover anything other then T_V_ ,


And it doesn't cover anything other then T_V_ ,


Even though it is  for just a T_V_ remote it's uh very advanced. But it is just a T_V_ remote.


Even though it is  for just a T_V_ remote it's uh very advanced. But it is just a T_V_ remote.

Yeah. I'd go for a three or four on that one , so


Yeah. I'd go for a three or four on that one , so


Alright , and the last criteria  is it is it um


It's capable of being squishy and fruity.


It's capable of being squishy and fruity.

Oh , it's very capable of being squishy and fruity.


It's capable of being squishy and fruity.

Oh , it's very capable of being squishy and fruity.

And  it's very important. 'Kay , there we go.


Oh , it's very capable of being squishy and fruity.

And  it's very important. 'Kay , there we go.


And  it's very important. 'Kay , there we go.


So um our re model slightly resembling a giant delicious cookie appears to be a winner ,


So um our re model slightly resembling a giant delicious cookie appears to be a winner ,

and uh hopefully we'll sell millions. Good job , team.


and uh hopefully we'll sell millions. Good job , team.

The  slightly resembling a giant delicious cookie.


The  slightly resembling a giant delicious cookie.


Alright , let's go back to this   No , that's it. Hmm. Oops. Okay , so now uh we're moving on to finance , okay. I'm gonna show you an Excel spreadsheet and we're going to fill it in together based on what components we're including in our remote and see if it's under twelve fifty Euro. If so , we can proceed , if not , we need to go back to the drawing board a little bit. 'Kay ? So let me bring that up. Here we go. Alright. Um it's not hand dynamo , it's powered by battery , so we give it a


Alright , let's go back to this   No , that's it. Hmm. Oops. Okay , so now uh we're moving on to finance , okay. I'm gonna show you an Excel spreadsheet and we're going to fill it in together based on what components we're including in our remote and see if it's under twelve fifty Euro. If so , we can proceed , if not , we need to go back to the drawing board a little bit. 'Kay ? So let me bring that up. Here we go. Alright. Um it's not hand dynamo , it's powered by battery , so we give it a

Number of components you plan to use. Do I just put quantity being one battery , or  Yeah.


Number of components you plan to use. Do I just put quantity being one battery , or  Yeah.


Number of components you plan to use. Do I just put quantity being one battery , or  Yeah.

But if it's a  do you wanna go for  this is where we need to make a final call on if it's a lithium or do we wanna go triple A_s , 'cause triple A_s we're gonna have t do more than one battery. Oh , let's just go for a lithium. What do you say ?


But if it's a  do you wanna go for  this is where we need to make a final call on if it's a lithium or do we wanna go triple A_s , 'cause triple A_s we're gonna have t do more than one battery. Oh , let's just go for a lithium. What do you say ?


But if it's a  do you wanna go for  this is where we need to make a final call on if it's a lithium or do we wanna go triple A_s , 'cause triple A_s we're gonna have t do more than one battery. Oh , let's just go for a lithium. What do you say ?

I think uh I think the people who purchase this are gonna be technologically


I think uh I think the people who purchase this are gonna be technologically


I think uh I think the people who purchase this are gonna be technologically

We're gon that's gon Nologically advanced ,


We're gon that's gon Nologically advanced ,


We're gon that's gon Nologically advanced ,

Okay , down to the electronics um section. We're gonna need this kind , correct , if we do the voice sensor ,


Okay , down to the electronics um section. We're gonna need this kind , correct , if we do the voice sensor ,


Okay , down to the electronics um section. We're gonna need this kind , correct , if we do the voice sensor ,

so one of those. It is a single-curved , so one of those.


so one of those. It is a single-curved , so one of those.


so one of those. It is a single-curved , so one of those.

Oh. What's that ? Yeah , that's correct.


Oh. What's that ? Yeah , that's correct.


'Kay.  Down here , interface type. We're gonna have the integrated scroll scroll wheel.


Well , that's the push-button too , right there.


We're really having just push-button interface.


We're really having just push-button interface.

But will we w actually we'll need two , won't we ? One for the top and then one for the s one e for each side.


We're really having just push-button interface.

But will we w actually we'll need two , won't we ? One for the top and then one for the s one e for each side.

But it  that just covers the type of button we're having. Because we're not doing a scroll on the side , it's still push-button.


But will we w actually we'll need two , won't we ? One for the top and then one for the s one e for each side.

But it  that just covers the type of button we're having. Because we're not doing a scroll on the side , it's still push-button.

Oh like the  twenty nine means like you have both scrolls and


But it  that just covers the type of button we're having. Because we're not doing a scroll on the side , it's still push-button.

Oh like the  twenty nine means like you have both scrolls and


Oh like the  twenty nine means like you have both scrolls and


I think what Courtney's talking about is do we need to put two here ?


I think what Courtney's talking about is do we need to put two here ?

Like because there's like one interface right here and then  because it's not gonna be on the same plane when you press the button.


I think what Courtney's talking about is do we need to put two here ?

Like because there's like one interface right here and then  because it's not gonna be on the same plane when you press the button.

There's gonna have to be additional signals on the sides.


Like because there's like one interface right here and then  because it's not gonna be on the same plane when you press the button.

There's gonna have to be additional signals on the sides.


There's gonna have to be additional signals on the sides.

So is that gonna be an extra one on each side ?


There's gonna have to be additional signals on the sides.

So is that gonna be an extra one on each side ?

I don't know , they might put us  well , let's just.


So is that gonna be an extra one on each side ?

I don't know , they might put us  well , let's just.

Two interfaces , is that what w should we s say ?


I don't know , they might put us  well , let's just.

Two interfaces , is that what w should we s say ?


Two interfaces , is that what w should we s say ?

Or three , because of one on each side and one on top.


Or three , because of one on each side and one on top.


Or three , because of one on each side and one on top.

I mean it's fine 'cause it comes out the same as twenty nine. Well less than twenty nine even.


I mean it's fine 'cause it comes out the same as twenty nine. Well less than twenty nine even.


button supplements  the buttons are no uh okay.


button supplements  the buttons are no uh okay.

They're a special colour. Um they're uh they're a special form , 'cause they're indented.


They're a special colour. Um they're uh they're a special form , 'cause they're indented.


Mm. Well , we're under cost then. Alright.


We can go to  I dunno what I just did.  Okay. Now we're gonna talk about the project process um and whether or not we're satisfied with the whole process and the result. Um did we have a lot of room for creativity ? Did we have a lot of room for individual leadership , um teamwork , and the means , meaning the technology that we used to produce our little guy there , and if we found any new ideas. Now , question is , how do we do this ?


Alright. Who want who would like to go first ?


Alright. Who want who would like to go first ?

We think we got stifled for cri  creativity by the company itself , in restricting us only to using a T_V_ remote , initially.


We think we got stifled for cri  creativity by the company itself , in restricting us only to using a T_V_ remote , initially.


Yeah.  No , yeah , that's a good point. 'Cause I'd forgotten that that wasn't our decision , yeah.


Yeah.  No , yeah , that's a good point. 'Cause I'd forgotten that that wasn't our decision , yeah.

And how did you feel about the whole the whole process though ?


Yeah.  No , yeah , that's a good point. 'Cause I'd forgotten that that wasn't our decision , yeah.

And how did you feel about the whole the whole process though ?

Oh , overall I mean I thought we did a good job like


Yeah.  No , yeah , that's a good point. 'Cause I'd forgotten that that wasn't our decision , yeah.

And how did you feel about the whole the whole process though ?

Oh , overall I mean I thought we did a good job like

We got to choose  basically we had control over  minus it being just merely a T_V_ remote we got to choose what we wanted to do with it.


And how did you feel about the whole the whole process though ?

Oh , overall I mean I thought we did a good job like

We got to choose  basically we had control over  minus it being just merely a T_V_ remote we got to choose what we wanted to do with it.

Right , and we got say over what  how technologically advanced it should be and also how fashionable , which I kind of like


Oh , overall I mean I thought we did a good job like

We got to choose  basically we had control over  minus it being just merely a T_V_ remote we got to choose what we wanted to do with it.

Right , and we got say over what  how technologically advanced it should be and also how fashionable , which I kind of like

And we're a fashion forward technology company.


We got to choose  basically we had control over  minus it being just merely a T_V_ remote we got to choose what we wanted to do with it.

Right , and we got say over what  how technologically advanced it should be and also how fashionable , which I kind of like

And we're a fashion forward technology company.


Right , and we got say over what  how technologically advanced it should be and also how fashionable , which I kind of like

And we're a fashion forward technology company.


And we're a fashion forward technology company.

Um what about um the teamwork aspect ? How did you guys enjoy making the model , the prototype ?


Um what about um the teamwork aspect ? How did you guys enjoy making the model , the prototype ?


Um what about um the teamwork aspect ? How did you guys enjoy making the model , the prototype ?

I think ya' did. Did you work well together in there , and


I think ya' did. Did you work well together in there , and


I think ya' did. Did you work well together in there , and

Well , no , there was there was scratching and fighting , but  no .


Well , no , there was there was scratching and fighting , but  no .


and we've all been a pretty congenial team here , I think.


and we've all been a pretty congenial team here , I think.

Yeah. I mean minus you guys being wha what is it , the survey , annoying or what is it ?


Yeah. I mean minus you guys being wha what is it , the survey , annoying or what is it ?


Irritating , yeah. Wow that's a  it's definitely a strong one.


I have to knock that one down a couple notches.


I have to knock that one down a couple notches.

A and our friend here really feels strongly about the internet.


A and our friend here really feels strongly about the internet.


Yeah they were fun , even though I'm not really sure what I could do with them , but they are awesome.


Yeah they were fun , even though I'm not really sure what I could do with them , but they are awesome.

The use of the laptops for receiving everything.


The use of the laptops for receiving everything.


wireless. And that we have a shared network where we can put all of the


wireless. And that we have a shared network where we can put all of the

And let's not forget the sexy dual microphones everyone gets to wear.


And let's not forget the sexy dual microphones everyone gets to wear.


'Kay , have we found any new ideas through this process ?


'Kay , have we found any new ideas through this process ?

For something that looks cool and also has what I want it to b do technologically.


For something that looks cool and also has what I want it to b do technologically.


For something that looks cool and also has what I want it to b do technologically.

And that's your right brain taking over , w wanting the artistic , the fashionable , the hip , you know.


And that's your right brain taking over , w wanting the artistic , the fashionable , the hip , you know.

If we all just went out and bought useful things , I don't think  I mean that's not what technology.


And that's your right brain taking over , w wanting the artistic , the fashionable , the hip , you know.

If we all just went out and bought useful things , I don't think  I mean that's not what technology.

Well , that's why I don't like uh Macs or Apples , just 'cause I look at it , and I know it's probably a very good computer , but I look at it , and I'm taken back to elementary school , 'cause they look the same.


If we all just went out and bought useful things , I don't think  I mean that's not what technology.

Well , that's why I don't like uh Macs or Apples , just 'cause I look at it , and I know it's probably a very good computer , but I look at it , and I'm taken back to elementary school , 'cause they look the same.


If we all just went out and bought useful things , I don't think  I mean that's not what technology.

Well , that's why I don't like uh Macs or Apples , just 'cause I look at it , and I know it's probably a very good computer , but I look at it , and I'm taken back to elementary school , 'cause they look the same.

They look like they did when I was in elementary school ,


Well , that's why I don't like uh Macs or Apples , just 'cause I look at it , and I know it's probably a very good computer , but I look at it , and I'm taken back to elementary school , 'cause they look the same.

They look like they did when I was in elementary school ,


They look like they did when I was in elementary school ,


They look like they did when I was in elementary school ,

Yeah , 'cause they're pretty and just like


Yeah , 'cause they're pretty and just like


Yeah , 'cause they're pretty and just like

The Toronto district school would only use his Macs with their kids.


Yeah , 'cause they're pretty and just like

The Toronto district school would only use his Macs with their kids.

Exactly , so I associate them with like really low-tech , really cheap , bad


The Toronto district school would only use his Macs with their kids.

Exactly , so I associate them with like really low-tech , really cheap , bad

Yeah. Just the Mac font bothers me even.


Exactly , so I associate them with like really low-tech , really cheap , bad

Yeah. Just the Mac font bothers me even.


Yeah. Just the Mac font bothers me even.


Yeah , no , iPods   They want all those words for presentation , even the plugs.


Colours. Exactly. I mean how many people went out and bough a Nokia phone , back when we were like in high school , just so they could get the changeable face plates.


But the  my  but my one issue is just like the whole it's for T_V_ only.


But the  my  but my one issue is just like the whole it's for T_V_ only.

I was like who's gonna buy a remote just for the T_V_ unless they've lost theirs.


I was like who's gonna buy a remote just for the T_V_ unless they've lost theirs.


No , marketing has to actually create the desire for it.


No , marketing has to actually create the desire for it.

Fashionable people will buy it. Oh , I will create desire.


No , marketing has to actually create the desire for it.

Fashionable people will buy it. Oh , I will create desire.

That's okay. We can create a commercial where they think that all their needs will be met. This will help them find the one.


Fashionable people will buy it. Oh , I will create desire.

That's okay. We can create a commercial where they think that all their needs will be met. This will help them find the one.


That's okay. We can create a commercial where they think that all their needs will be met. This will help them find the one.


We could have like an Adam and Eve type commercial , and that's the fig-leaf.


We could have like an Adam and Eve type commercial , and that's the fig-leaf.

And so the serpent says , use our remote.


And so the serpent says , use our remote.


Okay , we're gonna wrap this up now. Um the costs are within the budget , we evaluated the project ,


Okay , we're gonna wrap this up now. Um the costs are within the budget , we evaluated the project ,

and now we're gonna complete the final questionnaire and meeting summary , and then we're going to have a big giant party , apparently , according to this , so. Alright , thank you team ,


Okay , we're gonna wrap this up now. Um the costs are within the budget , we evaluated the project ,

and now we're gonna complete the final questionnaire and meeting summary , and then we're going to have a big giant party , apparently , according to this , so. Alright , thank you team ,

you did a great job , it was lovely working with you.


and now we're gonna complete the final questionnaire and meeting summary , and then we're going to have a big giant party , apparently , according to this , so. Alright , thank you team ,

you did a great job , it was lovely working with you.


you did a great job , it was lovely working with you.


Okay, good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Children, Young People and Education Committee. We've received no apologies for absence. Can I ask Members whether there are any declarations of interest, please? No. Okay. Thank you. Item 2 this morning is our evidence session with the Cabinet Secretary for Education for our inquiry into the status of the Welsh baccalaureate qualification. I'm very pleased to welcome Kirsty Williams AM, Cabinet Secretary for Education; Kevin Palmer, who is deputy director, pedagogy, leadership and professional learning; and Andrew Clark, deputy director, further education and apprenticeships division. So, thank you all for attending, and we're looking forward to hearing what you've got to say. If you're happy, Cabinet Secretary, we'll go straight to questions.

And the first questions are from Julie Morgan.


And the first questions are from Julie Morgan.

Thank you very much, Chair, and bore da. I was going to ask some general questions about the value of the baccalaureate. Could you give us your views on how the Welsh bac is valued by learners and teachers?


And the first questions are from Julie Morgan.

Thank you very much, Chair, and bore da. I was going to ask some general questions about the value of the baccalaureate. Could you give us your views on how the Welsh bac is valued by learners and teachers?

Bore da, Julie, and thank you very much for your question. Firstly, I'd like to begin by saying that I as the Cabinet Secretary value the qualification very much indeed. I believe that it helps ensure that we are able to give our young people in Wales a broad and balanced curriculum, recognising the need to develop knowledge and skills in core subjects but recognising also that the purpose of education is to help prepare our children for further study and the world of work, and I believe that the skills challenge element of the baccalaureate does just that. I meet with young people and teachers all the time who tell me about the positive experiences they have had studying for the Welsh bac, and much of that was evidenced in Qualifications Wales's review into the Welsh baccalaureate. They did focus group work with a representative sample, and many of the learners expressed the fact that they have enjoyed studying for the qualification and have gained a great deal from it. I meet regularly with individuals who have been able to use their bac to successfully gain a place at university, so I believe there's a huge value for Welsh young people being able to study this particular qualification alongside the more traditional qualifications that perhaps we're all used to. I think the challenge is that, given that many people are very familiar with what a GCSE is and, as parents, we will know what that is and many of us will have done—some of us are so old we'll have done O-levels. We know what those traditional qualifications look like, and therefore a new qualification—there's always a job of work to do to communicate that, if people aren't used to it, but I value it hugely. I think that, whilst there is always room for improvement—and, of course, you'll be aware of the review that Qualifications Wales undertook and that has suggested ways in which we can further improve and refine the qualification, but I think it is a valuable piece of work for Welsh young people to undertake.


And the first questions are from Julie Morgan.

Thank you very much, Chair, and bore da. I was going to ask some general questions about the value of the baccalaureate. Could you give us your views on how the Welsh bac is valued by learners and teachers?

Bore da, Julie, and thank you very much for your question. Firstly, I'd like to begin by saying that I as the Cabinet Secretary value the qualification very much indeed. I believe that it helps ensure that we are able to give our young people in Wales a broad and balanced curriculum, recognising the need to develop knowledge and skills in core subjects but recognising also that the purpose of education is to help prepare our children for further study and the world of work, and I believe that the skills challenge element of the baccalaureate does just that. I meet with young people and teachers all the time who tell me about the positive experiences they have had studying for the Welsh bac, and much of that was evidenced in Qualifications Wales's review into the Welsh baccalaureate. They did focus group work with a representative sample, and many of the learners expressed the fact that they have enjoyed studying for the qualification and have gained a great deal from it. I meet regularly with individuals who have been able to use their bac to successfully gain a place at university, so I believe there's a huge value for Welsh young people being able to study this particular qualification alongside the more traditional qualifications that perhaps we're all used to. I think the challenge is that, given that many people are very familiar with what a GCSE is and, as parents, we will know what that is and many of us will have done—some of us are so old we'll have done O-levels. We know what those traditional qualifications look like, and therefore a new qualification—there's always a job of work to do to communicate that, if people aren't used to it, but I value it hugely. I think that, whilst there is always room for improvement—and, of course, you'll be aware of the review that Qualifications Wales undertook and that has suggested ways in which we can further improve and refine the qualification, but I think it is a valuable piece of work for Welsh young people to undertake.

It's great that you've been around listening to learners and what they have said about it. Have you had any negative feedback?


Thank you very much, Chair, and bore da. I was going to ask some general questions about the value of the baccalaureate. Could you give us your views on how the Welsh bac is valued by learners and teachers?

Bore da, Julie, and thank you very much for your question. Firstly, I'd like to begin by saying that I as the Cabinet Secretary value the qualification very much indeed. I believe that it helps ensure that we are able to give our young people in Wales a broad and balanced curriculum, recognising the need to develop knowledge and skills in core subjects but recognising also that the purpose of education is to help prepare our children for further study and the world of work, and I believe that the skills challenge element of the baccalaureate does just that. I meet with young people and teachers all the time who tell me about the positive experiences they have had studying for the Welsh bac, and much of that was evidenced in Qualifications Wales's review into the Welsh baccalaureate. They did focus group work with a representative sample, and many of the learners expressed the fact that they have enjoyed studying for the qualification and have gained a great deal from it. I meet regularly with individuals who have been able to use their bac to successfully gain a place at university, so I believe there's a huge value for Welsh young people being able to study this particular qualification alongside the more traditional qualifications that perhaps we're all used to. I think the challenge is that, given that many people are very familiar with what a GCSE is and, as parents, we will know what that is and many of us will have done—some of us are so old we'll have done O-levels. We know what those traditional qualifications look like, and therefore a new qualification—there's always a job of work to do to communicate that, if people aren't used to it, but I value it hugely. I think that, whilst there is always room for improvement—and, of course, you'll be aware of the review that Qualifications Wales undertook and that has suggested ways in which we can further improve and refine the qualification, but I think it is a valuable piece of work for Welsh young people to undertake.

It's great that you've been around listening to learners and what they have said about it. Have you had any negative feedback?

Well, occasionally, of course, we do have concerns raised with us, and those concerns are similar to the ones that have been raised in the Qualifications Wales review. So, for instance, we sometimes have concerns about how some students balance the Welsh bac with other qualifications they may be taking. Some teachers feed back around the workload issues associated with the Welsh baccalaureate. For some students, there may be concerns about the nature of the Welsh bac and whether that can impact negatively on their well-being. And, obviously, that's why Qualifications Wales have undertaken this piece of work so that we can refine, if necessary, that qualification and how we continue to look at how we ensure my belief that taking the Welsh bac should be the norm for students but also recognising that, in some cases, there needs to be flexibility to ensure that the well-being of the student is not compromised.


Bore da, Julie, and thank you very much for your question. Firstly, I'd like to begin by saying that I as the Cabinet Secretary value the qualification very much indeed. I believe that it helps ensure that we are able to give our young people in Wales a broad and balanced curriculum, recognising the need to develop knowledge and skills in core subjects but recognising also that the purpose of education is to help prepare our children for further study and the world of work, and I believe that the skills challenge element of the baccalaureate does just that. I meet with young people and teachers all the time who tell me about the positive experiences they have had studying for the Welsh bac, and much of that was evidenced in Qualifications Wales's review into the Welsh baccalaureate. They did focus group work with a representative sample, and many of the learners expressed the fact that they have enjoyed studying for the qualification and have gained a great deal from it. I meet regularly with individuals who have been able to use their bac to successfully gain a place at university, so I believe there's a huge value for Welsh young people being able to study this particular qualification alongside the more traditional qualifications that perhaps we're all used to. I think the challenge is that, given that many people are very familiar with what a GCSE is and, as parents, we will know what that is and many of us will have done—some of us are so old we'll have done O-levels. We know what those traditional qualifications look like, and therefore a new qualification—there's always a job of work to do to communicate that, if people aren't used to it, but I value it hugely. I think that, whilst there is always room for improvement—and, of course, you'll be aware of the review that Qualifications Wales undertook and that has suggested ways in which we can further improve and refine the qualification, but I think it is a valuable piece of work for Welsh young people to undertake.

It's great that you've been around listening to learners and what they have said about it. Have you had any negative feedback?

Well, occasionally, of course, we do have concerns raised with us, and those concerns are similar to the ones that have been raised in the Qualifications Wales review. So, for instance, we sometimes have concerns about how some students balance the Welsh bac with other qualifications they may be taking. Some teachers feed back around the workload issues associated with the Welsh baccalaureate. For some students, there may be concerns about the nature of the Welsh bac and whether that can impact negatively on their well-being. And, obviously, that's why Qualifications Wales have undertaken this piece of work so that we can refine, if necessary, that qualification and how we continue to look at how we ensure my belief that taking the Welsh bac should be the norm for students but also recognising that, in some cases, there needs to be flexibility to ensure that the well-being of the student is not compromised.

And so would you say that it's valued by learners more or less at key stage 4 or post 16?


It's great that you've been around listening to learners and what they have said about it. Have you had any negative feedback?

Well, occasionally, of course, we do have concerns raised with us, and those concerns are similar to the ones that have been raised in the Qualifications Wales review. So, for instance, we sometimes have concerns about how some students balance the Welsh bac with other qualifications they may be taking. Some teachers feed back around the workload issues associated with the Welsh baccalaureate. For some students, there may be concerns about the nature of the Welsh bac and whether that can impact negatively on their well-being. And, obviously, that's why Qualifications Wales have undertaken this piece of work so that we can refine, if necessary, that qualification and how we continue to look at how we ensure my belief that taking the Welsh bac should be the norm for students but also recognising that, in some cases, there needs to be flexibility to ensure that the well-being of the student is not compromised.

And so would you say that it's valued by learners more or less at key stage 4 or post 16?

Well, I think that, as I said, the vast majority of students I meet report very positively about the opportunities that are afforded for studying at that level. Occasionally, we hear from students who I believe think that in studying the subject they may be compromising their chances because they want to do additional A-levels, and I'm sure we'll come on to, later on, whether universities, and whether the Russell Group universities in particular, value the qualification. But I feel that there are particular strengths. And I think what's really important, and, in talking to universities, since the qualification became graded, rather than just a pass/fail qualification—I think that added rigour since 2015 has been particularly important in ensuring that there's real value in students undertaking that work.


Well, occasionally, of course, we do have concerns raised with us, and those concerns are similar to the ones that have been raised in the Qualifications Wales review. So, for instance, we sometimes have concerns about how some students balance the Welsh bac with other qualifications they may be taking. Some teachers feed back around the workload issues associated with the Welsh baccalaureate. For some students, there may be concerns about the nature of the Welsh bac and whether that can impact negatively on their well-being. And, obviously, that's why Qualifications Wales have undertaken this piece of work so that we can refine, if necessary, that qualification and how we continue to look at how we ensure my belief that taking the Welsh bac should be the norm for students but also recognising that, in some cases, there needs to be flexibility to ensure that the well-being of the student is not compromised.

And so would you say that it's valued by learners more or less at key stage 4 or post 16?

Well, I think that, as I said, the vast majority of students I meet report very positively about the opportunities that are afforded for studying at that level. Occasionally, we hear from students who I believe think that in studying the subject they may be compromising their chances because they want to do additional A-levels, and I'm sure we'll come on to, later on, whether universities, and whether the Russell Group universities in particular, value the qualification. But I feel that there are particular strengths. And I think what's really important, and, in talking to universities, since the qualification became graded, rather than just a pass/fail qualification—I think that added rigour since 2015 has been particularly important in ensuring that there's real value in students undertaking that work.

And what about the effect that the leadership in the school has on the way that the bac is received? Have you—?