So , where would we extract that information from ? From the M - three - L ?

No. No. See , the M - three - L is not gonna give th What he was saying is , the M - three - L does not have any of that. All it has is some really crude stuff saying , " A person wants to go to a place. "

The M - three - L is the old SmartKom output ?


No. No. See , the M - three - L is not gonna give th What he was saying is , the M - three - L does not have any of that. All it has is some really crude stuff saying , " A person wants to go to a place. "

The M - three - L is the old SmartKom output ?

Right. M - three well , M - three - L itself refers to Multimedia Mark - up Language.


The M - three - L is the old SmartKom output ?

Right. M - three well , M - three - L itself refers to Multimedia Mark - up Language.

OK. It 's just a language. Right , yeah.


The M - three - L is the old SmartKom output ?

Right. M - three well , M - three - L itself refers to Multimedia Mark - up Language.

OK. It 's just a language. Right , yeah.

So we have th w we we we have to have a better w way of referring to


Right. M - three well , M - three - L itself refers to Multimedia Mark - up Language.

OK. It 's just a language. Right , yeah.

So we have th w we we we have to have a better w way of referring to


OK. It 's just a language. Right , yeah.

So we have th w we we we have to have a better w way of referring to


So we have th w we we we have to have a better w way of referring to

" Analyzed speech " I think it 's what they call it ,


" Analyzed speech " I think it 's what they call it ,


o th No , actually , intention lattices is what we 're gonna get.


o th No , actually , intention lattices is what we 're gonna get.

Is - i but they c they call it intention lattice , but tha


o th No , actually , intention lattices is what we 're gonna get.

Is - i but they c they call it intention lattice , but tha

In - in a intention lattice k Hypothesis.


Is - i but they c they call it intention lattice , but tha

In - in a intention lattice k Hypothesis.


In - in a intention lattice k Hypothesis.

Right. So , th they 're gonna give us some cr uh  or  We can assume that y you get this crude information. About intention , and that 's all they 're going to provide. And they don't give you the kind of object , they don't give you any discourse history , if you want to keep that you have to keep it somewhere else.


Right. So , th they 're gonna give us some cr uh  or  We can assume that y you get this crude information. About intention , and that 's all they 're going to provide. And they don't give you the kind of object , they don't give you any discourse history , if you want to keep that you have to keep it somewhere else.

Well , they keep it. We have to request it.


Well , they keep it. We have to request it.

Well , they  they kee they keep it by their lights.


Well , they  they kee they keep it by their lights.


Well , they  they kee they keep it by their lights.

It may  it may or may not be what  what we want.


It may  it may or may not be what  what we want.


It may  it may or may not be what  what we want.

So , if someone says , " I wanna touch the side of the Powder - Tower " , that would  basically , we need to pop up Tango mode and the  and the directions ?


So , if someone says , " I wanna touch the side of the Powder - Tower " , that would  basically , we need to pop up Tango mode and the  and the directions ?

If i if  Yeah , if it got as simple as that , yeah.


If i if  Yeah , if it got as simple as that , yeah.

OK. But that doesn't necessarily  But we 'd have to infer a Source - Path - Goal to some degree for touching the side , right ?


OK. But that doesn't necessarily  But we 'd have to infer a Source - Path - Goal to some degree for touching the side , right ?

Well  Uh , th the there is a p a point there if I understand you. Correct ? Um , because um , sometimes people just say things  This you find very often. " Where is the city hall ? " And this do they don't wanna sh see it on a map , or they don't wanna know it 's five hundred yards away from you , or that it 's to the  your north. They wanna go there. That 's what they say , is , " Where is it ? ". Where is that damn thing ?


OK. But that doesn't necessarily  But we 'd have to infer a Source - Path - Goal to some degree for touching the side , right ?

Well  Uh , th the there is a p a point there if I understand you. Correct ? Um , because um , sometimes people just say things  This you find very often. " Where is the city hall ? " And this do they don't wanna sh see it on a map , or they don't wanna know it 's five hundred yards away from you , or that it 's to the  your north. They wanna go there. That 's what they say , is , " Where is it ? ". Where is that damn thing ?

Well , that 's a  a question mark. sh A lot of parsers , um , just , uh  That 's way beyond their scope , is  of interpreting that. You know ? But um , still outcome w the outcome will be some form of structure , with the town hall and maybe saying it 's a WH focus on the town hall. But to interpret it ,


Well  Uh , th the there is a p a point there if I understand you. Correct ? Um , because um , sometimes people just say things  This you find very often. " Where is the city hall ? " And this do they don't wanna sh see it on a map , or they don't wanna know it 's five hundred yards away from you , or that it 's to the  your north. They wanna go there. That 's what they say , is , " Where is it ? ". Where is that damn thing ?

Well , that 's a  a question mark. sh A lot of parsers , um , just , uh  That 's way beyond their scope , is  of interpreting that. You know ? But um , still outcome w the outcome will be some form of structure , with the town hall and maybe saying it 's a WH focus on the town hall. But to interpret it ,


Well , that 's a  a question mark. sh A lot of parsers , um , just , uh  That 's way beyond their scope , is  of interpreting that. You know ? But um , still outcome w the outcome will be some form of structure , with the town hall and maybe saying it 's a WH focus on the town hall. But to interpret it ,

you know ? somebody else has to do that job later.


you know ? somebody else has to do that job later.

I 'm just trying to figure out what the SmartKom system would output , depending on these things.


you know ? somebody else has to do that job later.

I 'm just trying to figure out what the SmartKom system would output , depending on these things.

Um , it will probably tell you how far away it is , at least that 's  That 's even what Deep Map does. It tells you how far away it is , and  and shows it to you on a map. Because i we can not differentiate , at the moment , between , you know , the intention of wanting to go there or the intention of just know wanting to know where  where it is.


I 'm just trying to figure out what the SmartKom system would output , depending on these things.

Um , it will probably tell you how far away it is , at least that 's  That 's even what Deep Map does. It tells you how far away it is , and  and shows it to you on a map. Because i we can not differentiate , at the moment , between , you know , the intention of wanting to go there or the intention of just know wanting to know where  where it is.

People no might not be able to infer that either , right ? Like the fact  Like , I could imagine if someone came up to me and asked , " Where 's the city hall ? " , I might say , g ar " Are you trying to get there ? " Because how I describe um , t its location  uh , p probably depend on whether I think I should give them , you know , directions now , or say , you know , whatever , " It 's half a mile away " or something like that.


Um , it will probably tell you how far away it is , at least that 's  That 's even what Deep Map does. It tells you how far away it is , and  and shows it to you on a map. Because i we can not differentiate , at the moment , between , you know , the intention of wanting to go there or the intention of just know wanting to know where  where it is.

People no might not be able to infer that either , right ? Like the fact  Like , I could imagine if someone came up to me and asked , " Where 's the city hall ? " , I might say , g ar " Are you trying to get there ? " Because how I describe um , t its location  uh , p probably depend on whether I think I should give them , you know , directions now , or say , you know , whatever , " It 's half a mile away " or something like that.


People no might not be able to infer that either , right ? Like the fact  Like , I could imagine if someone came up to me and asked , " Where 's the city hall ? " , I might say , g ar " Are you trying to get there ? " Because how I describe um , t its location  uh , p probably depend on whether I think I should give them , you know , directions now , or say , you know , whatever , " It 's half a mile away " or something like that.

because where people ask you , " Where is New York ? " , you will tell them it 's on the East Coast.


because where people ask you , " Where is New York ? " , you will tell them it 's on the East Coast.


because where people ask you , " Where is New York ? " , you will tell them it 's on the East Coast.

Y y eh  you won't tell them how to get there , ft you know , take that bus to the airport and blah - blah - blah.


Y y eh  you won't tell them how to get there , ft you know , take that bus to the airport and blah - blah - blah.

But if it 's the post office , you will tell them how to get there.


But if it 's the post office , you will tell them how to get there.

So th They have done some interesting experiments on that in Hamburg as well.


So th They have done some interesting experiments on that in Hamburg as well.


So I w this is  " onto " is  is knowledge about buildings ,


So I w this is  " onto " is  is knowledge about buildings ,

their opening times , and then t coupled with time of day , um , this should  You know.


So I w this is  " onto " is  is knowledge about buildings ,

their opening times , and then t coupled with time of day , um , this should  You know.

So that context was like , um , their presumed purpose context , i like business or travel , as well as the utterance context , like , " I 'm now standing at this place at this time ".


their opening times , and then t coupled with time of day , um , this should  You know.

So that context was like , um , their presumed purpose context , i like business or travel , as well as the utterance context , like , " I 'm now standing at this place at this time ".

Yeah , well I think we ought to d a As we have all along , d We  we 've been distu distinguishing between situational context , which is what you have as context , and discourse context ,


So that context was like , um , their presumed purpose context , i like business or travel , as well as the utterance context , like , " I 'm now standing at this place at this time ".

Yeah , well I think we ought to d a As we have all along , d We  we 've been distu distinguishing between situational context , which is what you have as context , and discourse context ,


Yeah , well I think we ought to d a As we have all along , d We  we 've been distu distinguishing between situational context , which is what you have as context , and discourse context ,


OK. Whatever. So we can work out terminology later.


OK. Whatever. So we can work out terminology later.

So , they 're  they 're quite distinct. I mean , you need them both , but they 're quite distinct. And , so what we were talking about doing , a a as a first shot , is not doing any of the linguistics. Except to find out what seems to be  useful. So , the  the  the reason the belief - net is in blue , is the notion would be  Uh , this may be a bad dis bad idea , but the idea is to take as a first goal , see if we could actually build a belief - net that would make this three way distinction uh , in a plausible way , given these  We have all these transcripts and we 're able to , by hand , extract the features to put in the belief - net. Saying , " Aha ! here 're the things which , if you get them out of  out of the language and discourse , and put them into the belief - net , it would tell you which of these three uh , intentions is most likely. " And if  to actually do that , build it , um  you know , run it  y y run it on the data where you hand - transcribe the parameters. And see how that goes. If that goes well , then we can start worrying about how we would extract them. So  where would you get this information ? And , expand it to  to other things like this. But if we can't do that , then we 're in trouble. I mean th th i i if you can't do this task , um


OK. Whatever. So we can work out terminology later.

So , they 're  they 're quite distinct. I mean , you need them both , but they 're quite distinct. And , so what we were talking about doing , a a as a first shot , is not doing any of the linguistics. Except to find out what seems to be  useful. So , the  the  the reason the belief - net is in blue , is the notion would be  Uh , this may be a bad dis bad idea , but the idea is to take as a first goal , see if we could actually build a belief - net that would make this three way distinction uh , in a plausible way , given these  We have all these transcripts and we 're able to , by hand , extract the features to put in the belief - net. Saying , " Aha ! here 're the things which , if you get them out of  out of the language and discourse , and put them into the belief - net , it would tell you which of these three uh , intentions is most likely. " And if  to actually do that , build it , um  you know , run it  y y run it on the data where you hand - transcribe the parameters. And see how that goes. If that goes well , then we can start worrying about how we would extract them. So  where would you get this information ? And , expand it to  to other things like this. But if we can't do that , then we 're in trouble. I mean th th i i if you can't do this task , um

We need a different , uh , engine. Machine , I mean.


So , they 're  they 're quite distinct. I mean , you need them both , but they 're quite distinct. And , so what we were talking about doing , a a as a first shot , is not doing any of the linguistics. Except to find out what seems to be  useful. So , the  the  the reason the belief - net is in blue , is the notion would be  Uh , this may be a bad dis bad idea , but the idea is to take as a first goal , see if we could actually build a belief - net that would make this three way distinction uh , in a plausible way , given these  We have all these transcripts and we 're able to , by hand , extract the features to put in the belief - net. Saying , " Aha ! here 're the things which , if you get them out of  out of the language and discourse , and put them into the belief - net , it would tell you which of these three uh , intentions is most likely. " And if  to actually do that , build it , um  you know , run it  y y run it on the data where you hand - transcribe the parameters. And see how that goes. If that goes well , then we can start worrying about how we would extract them. So  where would you get this information ? And , expand it to  to other things like this. But if we can't do that , then we 're in trouble. I mean th th i i if you can't do this task , um

We need a different , uh , engine. Machine , I mean.

Uh , uh , yeah , or something. Well it  i I if it  if it 's the belief - nets , we we 'll switch to you know , logic or some terrible thing , but I don't think that 's gonna be the case. I think that , uh , if we can get the information , a belief - net is a perfectly good way of doing the inferential combination of it. The real issue is , do what are the factors involved in determining this ? And I don't know.


We need a different , uh , engine. Machine , I mean.

Uh , uh , yeah , or something. Well it  i I if it  if it 's the belief - nets , we we 'll switch to you know , logic or some terrible thing , but I don't think that 's gonna be the case. I think that , uh , if we can get the information , a belief - net is a perfectly good way of doing the inferential combination of it. The real issue is , do what are the factors involved in determining this ? And I don't know.


Uh , uh , yeah , or something. Well it  i I if it  if it 's the belief - nets , we we 'll switch to you know , logic or some terrible thing , but I don't think that 's gonna be the case. I think that , uh , if we can get the information , a belief - net is a perfectly good way of doing the inferential combination of it. The real issue is , do what are the factors involved in determining this ? And I don't know.


So , I know. Uh , uh , is it clear what 's going on here ?


So , I know. Uh , uh , is it clear what 's going on here ?

Um , I missed the beginning , but , um I guess  could you back to the slide , the previous one ? So , is it that it 's , um  These are all factors that uh , a These are the ones that you said that we are going to ignore now ? or that we want to  take into account ? You were saying n


So , I know. Uh , uh , is it clear what 's going on here ?

Um , I missed the beginning , but , um I guess  could you back to the slide , the previous one ? So , is it that it 's , um  These are all factors that uh , a These are the ones that you said that we are going to ignore now ? or that we want to  take into account ? You were saying n

Take them into account. But  but you don't worry about  h


Um , I missed the beginning , but , um I guess  could you back to the slide , the previous one ? So , is it that it 's , um  These are all factors that uh , a These are the ones that you said that we are going to ignore now ? or that we want to  take into account ? You were saying n

Take them into account. But  but you don't worry about  h

Take the  the linguistic factors too. Oh , how to extract these features.


Um , I missed the beginning , but , um I guess  could you back to the slide , the previous one ? So , is it that it 's , um  These are all factors that uh , a These are the ones that you said that we are going to ignore now ? or that we want to  take into account ? You were saying n

Take them into account. But  but you don't worry about  h

Take the  the linguistic factors too. Oh , how to extract these features.

how to extract them. So , f let 's find out which ones we need first ,


Take them into account. But  but you don't worry about  h

Take the  the linguistic factors too. Oh , how to extract these features.

how to extract them. So , f let 's find out which ones we need first ,


Take the  the linguistic factors too. Oh , how to extract these features.

how to extract them. So , f let 's find out which ones we need first ,


how to extract them. So , f let 's find out which ones we need first ,

OK. And  and it 's clear from the data , um , like , sorta the correct answer in each case.


OK. And  and it 's clear from the data , um , like , sorta the correct answer in each case.


Let 's go back to th Let 's go back to the  the  the slide of data.


Let 's go back to th Let 's go back to the  the  the slide of data.

That 's  that 's the thing I 'm curious ab


Let 's go back to th Let 's go back to the  the  the slide of data.

That 's  that 's the thing I 'm curious ab

Like do we know from the data wh which  OK. So


That 's  that 's the thing I 'm curious ab

Like do we know from the data wh which  OK. So

Not from that data. But , um , since we are designing a  a  a  an , compared to this , even bigger data collection effort ,  um , we will definitely take care to put it in there ,


Like do we know from the data wh which  OK. So

Not from that data. But , um , since we are designing a  a  a  an , compared to this , even bigger data collection effort ,  um , we will definitely take care to put it in there ,


Like do we know from the data wh which  OK. So

Not from that data. But , um , since we are designing a  a  a  an , compared to this , even bigger data collection effort ,  um , we will definitely take care to put it in there ,

in some shape , way , form over the other ,


Not from that data. But , um , since we are designing a  a  a  an , compared to this , even bigger data collection effort ,  um , we will definitely take care to put it in there ,

in some shape , way , form over the other ,


in some shape , way , form over the other ,


in some shape , way , form over the other ,

to see whether we can , then , get sort of empirically validated data.


to see whether we can , then , get sort of empirically validated data.


to see whether we can , then , get sort of empirically validated data.

Um , from this , we can sometimes , you know  an and that 's  that  but that  isn't that what we need for a belief - net anyhow ? is sort of  s sometimes when people want to just see it , they phrase it more like this ? But it doesn't exclude anybody from phrasing it totally differently , even if they still


Um , from this , we can sometimes , you know  an and that 's  that  but that  isn't that what we need for a belief - net anyhow ? is sort of  s sometimes when people want to just see it , they phrase it more like this ? But it doesn't exclude anybody from phrasing it totally differently , even if they still


But then other factors may come into play that change the outcome of their belief - net. So , um , this is exactly what


But then other factors may come into play that change the outcome of their belief - net. So , um , this is exactly what

Because y you can never be sure. And I 'm sure even i the most , sort of , deliberate data collection experiment will never give you data that say , " Well , if it 's phrased like that , the intention is this. "


Because y you can never be sure. And I 'm sure even i the most , sort of , deliberate data collection experiment will never give you data that say , " Well , if it 's phrased like that , the intention is this. "


Because y you can never be sure. And I 'm sure even i the most , sort of , deliberate data collection experiment will never give you data that say , " Well , if it 's phrased like that , the intention is this. "

u u I mean , the only way you could get that is if you were to give th the x subjects a task. Right ? Where you have  where your , uh , current goal is to


u u I mean , the only way you could get that is if you were to give th the x subjects a task. Right ? Where you have  where your , uh , current goal is to


u u I mean , the only way you could get that is if you were to give th the x subjects a task. Right ? Where you have  where your , uh , current goal is to

But  but we will still get the phrasing all over the place.


u u I mean , the only way you could get that is if you were to give th the x subjects a task. Right ? Where you have  where your , uh , current goal is to

But  but we will still get the phrasing all over the place.

So that 's what you want ? OK. So you will know.


But  but we will still get the phrasing all over the place.

So that 's what you want ? OK. So you will know.


So that 's what you want ? OK. So you will know.

Mm - hmm. The  No , that 's fine. I guess , it 's just knowing the intention from the experimental subject.


Mm - hmm. The  No , that 's fine. I guess , it 's just knowing the intention from the experimental subject.


Mm - hmm. The  No , that 's fine. I guess , it 's just knowing the intention from the experimental subject.

From that task , yeah. So , uh , I think you all know this , but we are going to actually use this little room


From that task , yeah. So , uh , I think you all know this , but we are going to actually use this little room

and start recording subjects probably within a month or something. So , this is not any  lo any of you guys ' worry , except that we may want to push that effort to get information we need. So our job  is to figure out how to solve these problems. If it turns out that we need data of a certain sort , then the sort of data collection branch can be , uh , asked to do that. And one of the reasons why we 're recording the meeting for these guys is cuz we want their help when we d we start doing uh , recording of subjects. So , yeah  y you 're absolutely right , though. No , you  you will not have , and there it is , and , uh  But you know , y y the , um


From that task , yeah. So , uh , I think you all know this , but we are going to actually use this little room

and start recording subjects probably within a month or something. So , this is not any  lo any of you guys ' worry , except that we may want to push that effort to get information we need. So our job  is to figure out how to solve these problems. If it turns out that we need data of a certain sort , then the sort of data collection branch can be , uh , asked to do that. And one of the reasons why we 're recording the meeting for these guys is cuz we want their help when we d we start doing uh , recording of subjects. So , yeah  y you 're absolutely right , though. No , you  you will not have , and there it is , and , uh  But you know , y y the , um

And I think the other concern that has come up before , too , is if it 's  um  I don't know if this was collected  what situation this data was collected in. Was it  is it the one that you showed in your talk ? Like people


and start recording subjects probably within a month or something. So , this is not any  lo any of you guys ' worry , except that we may want to push that effort to get information we need. So our job  is to figure out how to solve these problems. If it turns out that we need data of a certain sort , then the sort of data collection branch can be , uh , asked to do that. And one of the reasons why we 're recording the meeting for these guys is cuz we want their help when we d we start doing uh , recording of subjects. So , yeah  y you 're absolutely right , though. No , you  you will not have , and there it is , and , uh  But you know , y y the , um

And I think the other concern that has come up before , too , is if it 's  um  I don't know if this was collected  what situation this data was collected in. Was it  is it the one that you showed in your talk ? Like people

But OK. So was this , like , someone actually mobile , like  s using a device ?


And I think the other concern that has come up before , too , is if it 's  um  I don't know if this was collected  what situation this data was collected in. Was it  is it the one that you showed in your talk ? Like people

But OK. So was this , like , someone actually mobile , like  s using a device ?

Uh , N no , no not  i it was mobile but not  not with a w a real wizard system. So there were never answers.


But OK. So was this , like , someone actually mobile , like  s using a device ?

Uh , N no , no not  i it was mobile but not  not with a w a real wizard system. So there were never answers.

Uh - huh. OK. OK. But , is it  I guess I don't know  The situation of  of collecting th the data of , like  Here you could imagine them being  walking around the city. as like one situation. And then you have all sorts of other c situational context factors that would influence w how to interpret , like you said , the scope and things like that.


Uh , N no , no not  i it was mobile but not  not with a w a real wizard system. So there were never answers.

Uh - huh. OK. OK. But , is it  I guess I don't know  The situation of  of collecting th the data of , like  Here you could imagine them being  walking around the city. as like one situation. And then you have all sorts of other c situational context factors that would influence w how to interpret , like you said , the scope and things like that.

If they 're doing it in a  you know , " I 'm sitting here with a map and asking questions " , I  I would imagine that the data would be really different. Um , so it 's just


Uh - huh. OK. OK. But , is it  I guess I don't know  The situation of  of collecting th the data of , like  Here you could imagine them being  walking around the city. as like one situation. And then you have all sorts of other c situational context factors that would influence w how to interpret , like you said , the scope and things like that.

If they 're doing it in a  you know , " I 'm sitting here with a map and asking questions " , I  I would imagine that the data would be really different. Um , so it 's just

Yeah. But  It was never th th the goal of that data collection to  to serve for sat for such a purpose. So that 's why for example the tasks were not differentiated by intentionality ,


If they 're doing it in a  you know , " I 'm sitting here with a map and asking questions " , I  I would imagine that the data would be really different. Um , so it 's just

Yeah. But  It was never th th the goal of that data collection to  to serve for sat for such a purpose. So that 's why for example the tasks were not differentiated by intentionality ,


Yeah. But  It was never th th the goal of that data collection to  to serve for sat for such a purpose. So that 's why for example the tasks were not differentiated by intentionality ,


you know , intention A , intention B , intention C.


you know , intention A , intention B , intention C.

Or task A , B , C. Um I 'm sure we can produce some if we need it , um , that  that will help us along those lines.


Or task A , B , C. Um I 'm sure we can produce some if we need it , um , that  that will help us along those lines.

But , you know , you gotta leave something for other people to model. So , to  Finding out what , you know , situational con what the contextual factors of the situation really are , you know is an interesting s interesting thing.


But , you know , you gotta leave something for other people to model. So , to  Finding out what , you know , situational con what the contextual factors of the situation really are , you know is an interesting s interesting thing.

u u Sort of I 'm , at the moment , curious and I 'm  I 'm  s w want to approach it from the end where we can s sort of start with this toy system that we can play around with ,


u u Sort of I 'm , at the moment , curious and I 'm  I 'm  s w want to approach it from the end where we can s sort of start with this toy system that we can play around with ,

so that we get a clearer notion of what input we need for that ,


so that we get a clearer notion of what input we need for that ,

what suffices and what doesn't. And then we can start worrying about where to get this input , what  what do we need , you know  Ultimately once we are all experts in changing that parser , for example , maybe , there 's just a couple three things we need to do and then we get more whatever , part of speech and more construction - type - like stuff out of it.


what suffices and what doesn't. And then we can start worrying about where to get this input , what  what do we need , you know  Ultimately once we are all experts in changing that parser , for example , maybe , there 's just a couple three things we need to do and then we get more whatever , part of speech and more construction - type - like stuff out of it.

It 's a m pragmatic approach , uh , at the moment.


what suffices and what doesn't. And then we can start worrying about where to get this input , what  what do we need , you know  Ultimately once we are all experts in changing that parser , for example , maybe , there 's just a couple three things we need to do and then we get more whatever , part of speech and more construction - type - like stuff out of it.

It 's a m pragmatic approach , uh , at the moment.

How exactly does the data collection work ? Do they have a map , and then you give them a scenario of some sort ?


It 's a m pragmatic approach , uh , at the moment.

How exactly does the data collection work ? Do they have a map , and then you give them a scenario of some sort ?

OK. Imagine you 're the  the subject. You 're gonna be in here , and somebody  And  and you see , uh , either th the three - D model , or uh , a QuickTime animation of standing u in a square in Heidelberg. So you actually see that. Um. The uh , um , first thing is you have to read a text about Heidelberg. So , just off a textbook , uh , tourist guide , to familiarize , uh , yourself with that sort of odd - sounding German street names , like Fischergasse and so forth. So that 's part one. Part two is , you 're told that this huge new , wonderful computer system exists , that can y tell you everything you want to know , and it understands you completely. And so you 're gonna pick up that phone , dial a number , and you get a certain amount of tasks that you have to solve. First you have to know  find out how to get to that place , maybe with the intention of buying stamps in there. Maybe  So , the next task is to get to a certain place and take a picture for your grandchild. The third one is to get information on the history of an object. The fourth one  And then the g system breaks down. It crashes , And


How exactly does the data collection work ? Do they have a map , and then you give them a scenario of some sort ?

OK. Imagine you 're the  the subject. You 're gonna be in here , and somebody  And  and you see , uh , either th the three - D model , or uh , a QuickTime animation of standing u in a square in Heidelberg. So you actually see that. Um. The uh , um , first thing is you have to read a text about Heidelberg. So , just off a textbook , uh , tourist guide , to familiarize , uh , yourself with that sort of odd - sounding German street names , like Fischergasse and so forth. So that 's part one. Part two is , you 're told that this huge new , wonderful computer system exists , that can y tell you everything you want to know , and it understands you completely. And so you 're gonna pick up that phone , dial a number , and you get a certain amount of tasks that you have to solve. First you have to know  find out how to get to that place , maybe with the intention of buying stamps in there. Maybe  So , the next task is to get to a certain place and take a picture for your grandchild. The third one is to get information on the history of an object. The fourth one  And then the g system breaks down. It crashes , And


OK. Imagine you 're the  the subject. You 're gonna be in here , and somebody  And  and you see , uh , either th the three - D model , or uh , a QuickTime animation of standing u in a square in Heidelberg. So you actually see that. Um. The uh , um , first thing is you have to read a text about Heidelberg. So , just off a textbook , uh , tourist guide , to familiarize , uh , yourself with that sort of odd - sounding German street names , like Fischergasse and so forth. So that 's part one. Part two is , you 're told that this huge new , wonderful computer system exists , that can y tell you everything you want to know , and it understands you completely. And so you 're gonna pick up that phone , dial a number , and you get a certain amount of tasks that you have to solve. First you have to know  find out how to get to that place , maybe with the intention of buying stamps in there. Maybe  So , the next task is to get to a certain place and take a picture for your grandchild. The third one is to get information on the history of an object. The fourth one  And then the g system breaks down. It crashes , And


And then  Or after the fourth. Some find  @ @  Forget that for now. And then , a human operator comes on , and  and exp apologizes that the system has crashed , but , you know , urges you to continue , you know ? now with a human operator. And so , you have basically the same tasks again , just with different objects , and you go through it again , and that was it. Oh , and one  one little bit  w And uh , the computer you are  you are being told the computer system knows exactly where you are , via GPS. When the human operator comes on , um , that person does not know. So the GPS is crashed as well. So the person first has to ask you " Where are you ? ". And so you have to do some  s tell the person sort of where you are , depending on what you see there. Um , this is a  a  a  a  a bit that I d I don't think we  Did we discuss that bit ? Uh , I just sort of squeezed that in now. But it 's something , uh , that would provide some very interesting data for some people I know. So.


And then  Or after the fourth. Some find  @ @  Forget that for now. And then , a human operator comes on , and  and exp apologizes that the system has crashed , but , you know , urges you to continue , you know ? now with a human operator. And so , you have basically the same tasks again , just with different objects , and you go through it again , and that was it. Oh , and one  one little bit  w And uh , the computer you are  you are being told the computer system knows exactly where you are , via GPS. When the human operator comes on , um , that person does not know. So the GPS is crashed as well. So the person first has to ask you " Where are you ? ". And so you have to do some  s tell the person sort of where you are , depending on what you see there. Um , this is a  a  a  a  a bit that I d I don't think we  Did we discuss that bit ? Uh , I just sort of squeezed that in now. But it 's something , uh , that would provide some very interesting data for some people I know. So.

So , in the display you can  Oh , you said that you cou you might have a display that shows , like , the


And then  Or after the fourth. Some find  @ @  Forget that for now. And then , a human operator comes on , and  and exp apologizes that the system has crashed , but , you know , urges you to continue , you know ? now with a human operator. And so , you have basically the same tasks again , just with different objects , and you go through it again , and that was it. Oh , and one  one little bit  w And uh , the computer you are  you are being told the computer system knows exactly where you are , via GPS. When the human operator comes on , um , that person does not know. So the GPS is crashed as well. So the person first has to ask you " Where are you ? ". And so you have to do some  s tell the person sort of where you are , depending on what you see there. Um , this is a  a  a  a  a bit that I d I don't think we  Did we discuss that bit ? Uh , I just sort of squeezed that in now. But it 's something , uh , that would provide some very interesting data for some people I know. So.

So , in the display you can  Oh , you said that you cou you might have a display that shows , like , the

Yeah. a Additionally , y you have a  a  a sort of a map type display.


So , in the display you can  Oh , you said that you cou you might have a display that shows , like , the

Yeah. a Additionally , y you have a  a  a sort of a map type display.


Yeah. a Additionally , y you have a  a  a sort of a map type display.


So as you move through it that 's - they just track it on the  for themselves


So as you move through it that 's - they just track it on the  for themselves

I don't know. I but y I don't think you really move , sort of.


I don't know. I but y I don't think you really move , sort of.


I don't know. I but y I don't think you really move , sort of.

Yeah ? I mean that would be an  an  an enormous technical effort , unless we would  We can show it walks to , you know. We can have movies of walking , you walking through  through Heidelberg , and u ultimately arriving there.


Yeah ? I mean that would be an  an  an enormous technical effort , unless we would  We can show it walks to , you know. We can have movies of walking , you walking through  through Heidelberg , and u ultimately arriving there.


Yeah ? I mean that would be an  an  an enormous technical effort , unless we would  We can show it walks to , you know. We can have movies of walking , you walking through  through Heidelberg , and u ultimately arriving there.

Uh , I was just trying to figure out how  how ambitious the system is.


Uh , I was just trying to figure out how  how ambitious the system is.

The map was sort of intended to  You want to go to that place. You know , and it 's sort of there.


Uh , I was just trying to figure out how  how ambitious the system is.

The map was sort of intended to  You want to go to that place. You know , and it 's sort of there.

And you see the label of the name  So we get those names , pronunciation stuff , and so forth , and we can change that.


The map was sort of intended to  You want to go to that place. You know , and it 's sort of there.

And you see the label of the name  So we get those names , pronunciation stuff , and so forth , and we can change that.

Mm - hmm. Mm - hmm. So your tasks don't require you to  I mean , uh  yo you 're told  So when your task is , I don't know , " Go buy stamps " or something like that ? So , do you have to respond ? or does your  Uh , what are you ste what are you supposed to be telling the system ? Like , w what you 're doing now ? or


And you see the label of the name  So we get those names , pronunciation stuff , and so forth , and we can change that.

Mm - hmm. Mm - hmm. So your tasks don't require you to  I mean , uh  yo you 're told  So when your task is , I don't know , " Go buy stamps " or something like that ? So , do you have to respond ? or does your  Uh , what are you ste what are you supposed to be telling the system ? Like , w what you 're doing now ? or


And you see the label of the name  So we get those names , pronunciation stuff , and so forth , and we can change that.

Mm - hmm. Mm - hmm. So your tasks don't require you to  I mean , uh  yo you 're told  So when your task is , I don't know , " Go buy stamps " or something like that ? So , do you have to respond ? or does your  Uh , what are you ste what are you supposed to be telling the system ? Like , w what you 're doing now ? or

There 's no  OK , so it 's just like , " Let 's figure out what they would say under the circumstances ".


Mm - hmm. Mm - hmm. So your tasks don't require you to  I mean , uh  yo you 're told  So when your task is , I don't know , " Go buy stamps " or something like that ? So , do you have to respond ? or does your  Uh , what are you ste what are you supposed to be telling the system ? Like , w what you 're doing now ? or

There 's no  OK , so it 's just like , " Let 's figure out what they would say under the circumstances ".

Yeah , and  and we will record both sides. I mean , we will record the Wi - the Wizard


There 's no  OK , so it 's just like , " Let 's figure out what they would say under the circumstances ".

Yeah , and  and we will record both sides. I mean , we will record the Wi - the Wizard


There 's no  OK , so it 's just like , " Let 's figure out what they would say under the circumstances ".

Yeah , and  and we will record both sides. I mean , we will record the Wi - the Wizard

I mean , in both cases it 's gonna be a human , in the computer , and in the operator case.


Yeah , and  and we will record both sides. I mean , we will record the Wi - the Wizard

I mean , in both cases it 's gonna be a human , in the computer , and in the operator case.


I mean , in both cases it 's gonna be a human , in the computer , and in the operator case.

And we will re there will be some dialogue , you know ? So , you first have to do this , and that ,


And we will re there will be some dialogue , you know ? So , you first have to do this , and that ,


see wh what they say. We can ins instruct the , uh , wizard in how expressive and talkative he should be. But um , maybe the  maybe what you 're suggesting  Is what you 're suggesting that it might be too poor , the data , if we sort of limit it to this ping pong one t uh , task results in a question and then there 's an answer and that 's the end of the task ? You wanna m have it more  more steps , sort of ?


see wh what they say. We can ins instruct the , uh , wizard in how expressive and talkative he should be. But um , maybe the  maybe what you 're suggesting  Is what you 're suggesting that it might be too poor , the data , if we sort of limit it to this ping pong one t uh , task results in a question and then there 's an answer and that 's the end of the task ? You wanna m have it more  more steps , sort of ?

Yeah , I  I don't know how much direction is given to the subject about what their interaction  I mean , th they 're unfamiliar w with interacting with the system.


see wh what they say. We can ins instruct the , uh , wizard in how expressive and talkative he should be. But um , maybe the  maybe what you 're suggesting  Is what you 're suggesting that it might be too poor , the data , if we sort of limit it to this ping pong one t uh , task results in a question and then there 's an answer and that 's the end of the task ? You wanna m have it more  more steps , sort of ?

Yeah , I  I don't know how much direction is given to the subject about what their interaction  I mean , th they 're unfamiliar w with interacting with the system.

All they know is it 's this great system that could do s stuff.


Yeah , I  I don't know how much direction is given to the subject about what their interaction  I mean , th they 're unfamiliar w with interacting with the system.

All they know is it 's this great system that could do s stuff.


All they know is it 's this great system that could do s stuff.

Oh yeah , but  to some extent this is a different discussion.


Oh yeah , but  to some extent this is a different discussion.

OK ? So. Uh , we  we have to have this discussion of th the experiment , and the data collection , and all that sorta stuff


OK ? So. Uh , we  we have to have this discussion of th the experiment , and the data collection , and all that sorta stuff

and we do have , um , a student who is a candidate for wizard. Uh , she 's gonna get in touch with me. It 's a student of Eve 's. FEY , Fey ? Spelled FEY. Do you  do you


and we do have , um , a student who is a candidate for wizard. Uh , she 's gonna get in touch with me. It 's a student of Eve 's. FEY , Fey ? Spelled FEY. Do you  do you


She started taking the class last year and then didn't  um , you know , didn't continue. I g She 's a g


She started taking the class last year and then didn't  um , you know , didn't continue. I g She 's a g

Is she an undergradua She is a graduate , OK.


Is she an undergradua She is a graduate , OK.

Yeah , I m I know her very , very briefly. I know she was inter you know , interested in aspect and stuff like that.


Is she an undergradua She is a graduate , OK.

Yeah , I m I know her very , very briefly. I know she was inter you know , interested in aspect and stuff like that.

OK. So , anyway , she 's looking for some more part time work w while she 's waiting actually for graduate school. And she 'll be in touch. So we may have someone , uh , to do this , and she 's got you know , some background in  in all this stuff. And is a linguist st and , so So.  That 's  So , Nancy , we 'll have an At some point we 'll have another discussion on exactly wha t t you know , how that 's gonna go.


Yeah , I m I know her very , very briefly. I know she was inter you know , interested in aspect and stuff like that.

OK. So , anyway , she 's looking for some more part time work w while she 's waiting actually for graduate school. And she 'll be in touch. So we may have someone , uh , to do this , and she 's got you know , some background in  in all this stuff. And is a linguist st and , so So.  That 's  So , Nancy , we 'll have an At some point we 'll have another discussion on exactly wha t t you know , how that 's gonna go.


Yeah , I m I know her very , very briefly. I know she was inter you know , interested in aspect and stuff like that.

OK. So , anyway , she 's looking for some more part time work w while she 's waiting actually for graduate school. And she 'll be in touch. So we may have someone , uh , to do this , and she 's got you know , some background in  in all this stuff. And is a linguist st and , so So.  That 's  So , Nancy , we 'll have an At some point we 'll have another discussion on exactly wha t t you know , how that 's gonna go.

And um , Jane , but also , uh , Liz have offered to help us do this , uh , data collection and design and stuff.


OK. So , anyway , she 's looking for some more part time work w while she 's waiting actually for graduate school. And she 'll be in touch. So we may have someone , uh , to do this , and she 's got you know , some background in  in all this stuff. And is a linguist st and , so So.  That 's  So , Nancy , we 'll have an At some point we 'll have another discussion on exactly wha t t you know , how that 's gonna go.

And um , Jane , but also , uh , Liz have offered to help us do this , uh , data collection and design and stuff.


And um , Jane , but also , uh , Liz have offered to help us do this , uh , data collection and design and stuff.

So , when we get to that we 'll have some people doing it that know what they 're doing.


And um , Jane , but also , uh , Liz have offered to help us do this , uh , data collection and design and stuff.

So , when we get to that we 'll have some people doing it that know what they 're doing.

OK. I guess the reason I was asking about the sort of the de the details of this kind of thing is that , um , it 's one thing to collect data for , I don't know , speech recognition or various other tasks that have pretty c clear correct answers , but with intention  um , obviously , as you point out , there 's a lot of di other factors and  I 'm not really sure , um , how  how  e the question of how to make it a t appropriate toy version of that  Um , it 's ju it 's just hard. So , I mean , obviously it 's a


So , when we get to that we 'll have some people doing it that know what they 're doing.

OK. I guess the reason I was asking about the sort of the de the details of this kind of thing is that , um , it 's one thing to collect data for , I don't know , speech recognition or various other tasks that have pretty c clear correct answers , but with intention  um , obviously , as you point out , there 's a lot of di other factors and  I 'm not really sure , um , how  how  e the question of how to make it a t appropriate toy version of that  Um , it 's ju it 's just hard. So , I mean , obviously it 's a

Yeah , uh , actually I guess that was my question. Is the intention implicit in the scenario that 's given ? Like , do the


So , when we get to that we 'll have some people doing it that know what they 're doing.

OK. I guess the reason I was asking about the sort of the de the details of this kind of thing is that , um , it 's one thing to collect data for , I don't know , speech recognition or various other tasks that have pretty c clear correct answers , but with intention  um , obviously , as you point out , there 's a lot of di other factors and  I 'm not really sure , um , how  how  e the question of how to make it a t appropriate toy version of that  Um , it 's ju it 's just hard. So , I mean , obviously it 's a

Yeah , uh , actually I guess that was my question. Is the intention implicit in the scenario that 's given ? Like , do the

It is , if they have these tasks that they 're supposed to


OK. I guess the reason I was asking about the sort of the de the details of this kind of thing is that , um , it 's one thing to collect data for , I don't know , speech recognition or various other tasks that have pretty c clear correct answers , but with intention  um , obviously , as you point out , there 's a lot of di other factors and  I 'm not really sure , um , how  how  e the question of how to make it a t appropriate toy version of that  Um , it 's ju it 's just hard. So , I mean , obviously it 's a

Yeah , uh , actually I guess that was my question. Is the intention implicit in the scenario that 's given ? Like , do the

It is , if they have these tasks that they 're supposed to

Yeah , I just wasn't sure to what level of detail the task was.


Yeah , uh , actually I guess that was my question. Is the intention implicit in the scenario that 's given ? Like , do the

It is , if they have these tasks that they 're supposed to

Yeah , I just wasn't sure to what level of detail the task was.


It is , if they have these tasks that they 're supposed to

Yeah , I just wasn't sure to what level of detail the task was.


Yeah , I just wasn't sure to what level of detail the task was.


So , we that 's part of what we 'll have to figure out.


the  The problem that I was tr gonna try to focus on today was , let 's suppose by magic you could collect dialogues in which , one way or the other , you were able to , uh , figure out both the intention , and set the context , and know what language was used. So let 's suppose that we can get that kind of data. Um. The issue is , can we find a way to , basically , featurize it so that we get some discrete number of features so that , uh , when we know the values to all those features , or as many as possible , we can w come up with the best estimate of which of the , in this case three little intentions , are most likely.


the  The problem that I was tr gonna try to focus on today was , let 's suppose by magic you could collect dialogues in which , one way or the other , you were able to , uh , figure out both the intention , and set the context , and know what language was used. So let 's suppose that we can get that kind of data. Um. The issue is , can we find a way to , basically , featurize it so that we get some discrete number of features so that , uh , when we know the values to all those features , or as many as possible , we can w come up with the best estimate of which of the , in this case three little intentions , are most likely.

w What are the t three intentions ? Is it to go there , to see it , and


w What are the t three intentions ? Is it to go there , to see it , and


to View it. OK ? To Enter it. Now those  It seems to me those are cl you c you have no trouble with those being distinct. " Take a picture of it " you  you might well want to be a really rather different place than entering it.


to View it. OK ? To Enter it. Now those  It seems to me those are cl you c you have no trouble with those being distinct. " Take a picture of it " you  you might well want to be a really rather different place than entering it.

And , for an object that 's at all big , uh , sort of getting to the nearest part of it uh , could be quite different than either of those.


And , for an object that 's at all big , uh , sort of getting to the nearest part of it uh , could be quite different than either of those.


And , for an object that 's at all big , uh , sort of getting to the nearest part of it uh , could be quite different than either of those.

OK , so now I understand the referent of Tango mode. I didn't get that before.


OK , so now I understand the referent of Tango mode. I didn't get that before.

See , I would have thought it was more of a waltz.


OK , so now I understand the referent of Tango mode. I didn't get that before.

See , I would have thought it was more of a waltz.

Yeah , like , how close are you gonna be ?


See , I would have thought it was more of a waltz.

Yeah , like , how close are you gonna be ?


Yeah , like , how close are you gonna be ?


All these So , like , the question is how what features can  like , do you wanna try to extract from , say , the parse or whatever ?


All these So , like , the question is how what features can  like , do you wanna try to extract from , say , the parse or whatever ?

Like , the presence of a word or the presence of a certain uh , stem , or  certain construction or whatever.


All these So , like , the question is how what features can  like , do you wanna try to extract from , say , the parse or whatever ?

Like , the presence of a word or the presence of a certain uh , stem , or  certain construction or whatever.

Right. Is there a construction , or the kind of object , or w uh , anything else that 's in the si It 's either in the  in the s the discourse itself or in the context. So if it turns out that , whatever it is , you want to know whether the person 's uh , a tourist or not , OK ? that becomes a feature. Now , how you determine that is another issue. But fo for the current problem , it would just be , " OK , if you can be sure that it 's a tourist , versus a businessman , versus a native , " or something , uh , that would give you a lot of discriminatory power and then just have a little section in your belief - net that said , " pppt ! " Though sin f in the short run , you 'd set them ,


Like , the presence of a word or the presence of a certain uh , stem , or  certain construction or whatever.

Right. Is there a construction , or the kind of object , or w uh , anything else that 's in the si It 's either in the  in the s the discourse itself or in the context. So if it turns out that , whatever it is , you want to know whether the person 's uh , a tourist or not , OK ? that becomes a feature. Now , how you determine that is another issue. But fo for the current problem , it would just be , " OK , if you can be sure that it 's a tourist , versus a businessman , versus a native , " or something , uh , that would give you a lot of discriminatory power and then just have a little section in your belief - net that said , " pppt ! " Though sin f in the short run , you 'd set them ,


Like , the presence of a word or the presence of a certain uh , stem , or  certain construction or whatever.

Right. Is there a construction , or the kind of object , or w uh , anything else that 's in the si It 's either in the  in the s the discourse itself or in the context. So if it turns out that , whatever it is , you want to know whether the person 's uh , a tourist or not , OK ? that becomes a feature. Now , how you determine that is another issue. But fo for the current problem , it would just be , " OK , if you can be sure that it 's a tourist , versus a businessman , versus a native , " or something , uh , that would give you a lot of discriminatory power and then just have a little section in your belief - net that said , " pppt ! " Though sin f in the short run , you 'd set them ,

and see ho how it worked , and then in the longer run , you would figure out how you could derive them. From previous discourse or w any anything else you knew.


Right. Is there a construction , or the kind of object , or w uh , anything else that 's in the si It 's either in the  in the s the discourse itself or in the context. So if it turns out that , whatever it is , you want to know whether the person 's uh , a tourist or not , OK ? that becomes a feature. Now , how you determine that is another issue. But fo for the current problem , it would just be , " OK , if you can be sure that it 's a tourist , versus a businessman , versus a native , " or something , uh , that would give you a lot of discriminatory power and then just have a little section in your belief - net that said , " pppt ! " Though sin f in the short run , you 'd set them ,

and see ho how it worked , and then in the longer run , you would figure out how you could derive them. From previous discourse or w any anything else you knew.

Right. So , how should  What 's the uh , plan ? Like , how should we go about figuring out these


and see ho how it worked , and then in the longer run , you would figure out how you could derive them. From previous discourse or w any anything else you knew.

Right. So , how should  What 's the uh , plan ? Like , how should we go about figuring out these

OK. So , first of all is , uh , do e either of you guys , you got a favorite belief - net that you 've , you know , played with ? JavaBayes or something ?


Right. So , how should  What 's the uh , plan ? Like , how should we go about figuring out these

OK. So , first of all is , uh , do e either of you guys , you got a favorite belief - net that you 've , you know , played with ? JavaBayes or something ?

OK. Well , anyway. f Get one. OK ? So  y so one of th one of the things we wanna do is actually , uh , pick a package , doesn't matter which one , uh , presumably one that 's got good interactive abilities , cuz a lot of what we 're gonna be d You know , we don't need the one that 'll solve massive , uh , belief - nets quickly. d w These are not gonna get big in  in the foreseeable future. But we do want one in which it 's easy to interact with and , uh , modify. Because i that 's  A lot of what it 's gonna be , is , um , playing with this. And probably one in which it 's easy to have , um , what amounts to transcript files. So that if  if we have all these cases  OK ? So we make up cases that have these features , OK , and then you 'd like to be able to say , " OK , here 's a bunch of cases "  There 're even ones tha that you can do learning OK ? So you have all their cases and  and their results and you have a  algorithms to go through and run around trying to set the  the probabilities for you. Um , probably that 's not worth it. I mean , my guess is we aren't gonna have enough data that 's good enough to make the  these data fitting ones worth it , but I don't know. So I would say you guy the first task for you two guys is to um , pick a package. OK , and you wanna it s You know , the standard things you want it stable , you want it  yeah , @ @. And , as soon as we have one , we can start trying to , uh , make a first cut at what 's going on.


OK. So , first of all is , uh , do e either of you guys , you got a favorite belief - net that you 've , you know , played with ? JavaBayes or something ?

OK. Well , anyway. f Get one. OK ? So  y so one of th one of the things we wanna do is actually , uh , pick a package , doesn't matter which one , uh , presumably one that 's got good interactive abilities , cuz a lot of what we 're gonna be d You know , we don't need the one that 'll solve massive , uh , belief - nets quickly. d w These are not gonna get big in  in the foreseeable future. But we do want one in which it 's easy to interact with and , uh , modify. Because i that 's  A lot of what it 's gonna be , is , um , playing with this. And probably one in which it 's easy to have , um , what amounts to transcript files. So that if  if we have all these cases  OK ? So we make up cases that have these features , OK , and then you 'd like to be able to say , " OK , here 's a bunch of cases "  There 're even ones tha that you can do learning OK ? So you have all their cases and  and their results and you have a  algorithms to go through and run around trying to set the  the probabilities for you. Um , probably that 's not worth it. I mean , my guess is we aren't gonna have enough data that 's good enough to make the  these data fitting ones worth it , but I don't know. So I would say you guy the first task for you two guys is to um , pick a package. OK , and you wanna it s You know , the standard things you want it stable , you want it  yeah , @ @. And , as soon as we have one , we can start trying to , uh , make a first cut at what 's going on.


OK. Well , anyway. f Get one. OK ? So  y so one of th one of the things we wanna do is actually , uh , pick a package , doesn't matter which one , uh , presumably one that 's got good interactive abilities , cuz a lot of what we 're gonna be d You know , we don't need the one that 'll solve massive , uh , belief - nets quickly. d w These are not gonna get big in  in the foreseeable future. But we do want one in which it 's easy to interact with and , uh , modify. Because i that 's  A lot of what it 's gonna be , is , um , playing with this. And probably one in which it 's easy to have , um , what amounts to transcript files. So that if  if we have all these cases  OK ? So we make up cases that have these features , OK , and then you 'd like to be able to say , " OK , here 's a bunch of cases "  There 're even ones tha that you can do learning OK ? So you have all their cases and  and their results and you have a  algorithms to go through and run around trying to set the  the probabilities for you. Um , probably that 's not worth it. I mean , my guess is we aren't gonna have enough data that 's good enough to make the  these data fitting ones worth it , but I don't know. So I would say you guy the first task for you two guys is to um , pick a package. OK , and you wanna it s You know , the standard things you want it stable , you want it  yeah , @ @. And , as soon as we have one , we can start trying to , uh , make a first cut at what 's going on.

But it  what I like about it is it 's very concrete. OK ? We  we have a  we know what the outcomes are gonna be , and we have some  some data that 's loose , we can use our own intuition , and see how hard it is , and , importantly , what intermediate nodes we think we need. So it  if it turns out that just , thinking about the problem , you come up with things you really need to  You know , this is the kind of thing that is , you know , an intermediate little piece in your belief - net. That 'd be really interesting.


But it  what I like about it is it 's very concrete. OK ? We  we have a  we know what the outcomes are gonna be , and we have some  some data that 's loose , we can use our own intuition , and see how hard it is , and , importantly , what intermediate nodes we think we need. So it  if it turns out that just , thinking about the problem , you come up with things you really need to  You know , this is the kind of thing that is , you know , an intermediate little piece in your belief - net. That 'd be really interesting.

And it  and it may serve as a platform for a person , maybe me , or whoever , who is interested in doing some linguistic analysis. I mean , w we have the For - FrameNet group here , and we can see what they have found out about those concepts already , that are contained in the data , um , you know , to come up with a nice little set of features and um , maybe even means of s uh , extracting them. And  and that altogether could also be  uh , become a nice paper that 's going to be published somewhere , if we sit down and write it. And um  When you said JavaBayes belief - net you were talking about ones that run on coffee ? or that are in the program language Java ?


But it  what I like about it is it 's very concrete. OK ? We  we have a  we know what the outcomes are gonna be , and we have some  some data that 's loose , we can use our own intuition , and see how hard it is , and , importantly , what intermediate nodes we think we need. So it  if it turns out that just , thinking about the problem , you come up with things you really need to  You know , this is the kind of thing that is , you know , an intermediate little piece in your belief - net. That 'd be really interesting.

And it  and it may serve as a platform for a person , maybe me , or whoever , who is interested in doing some linguistic analysis. I mean , w we have the For - FrameNet group here , and we can see what they have found out about those concepts already , that are contained in the data , um , you know , to come up with a nice little set of features and um , maybe even means of s uh , extracting them. And  and that altogether could also be  uh , become a nice paper that 's going to be published somewhere , if we sit down and write it. And um  When you said JavaBayes belief - net you were talking about ones that run on coffee ? or that are in the program language Java ?

No , th It turns out that there is a , uh  The new end of Java libraries. OK , and it turns out one called


And it  and it may serve as a platform for a person , maybe me , or whoever , who is interested in doing some linguistic analysis. I mean , w we have the For - FrameNet group here , and we can see what they have found out about those concepts already , that are contained in the data , um , you know , to come up with a nice little set of features and um , maybe even means of s uh , extracting them. And  and that altogether could also be  uh , become a nice paper that 's going to be published somewhere , if we sit down and write it. And um  When you said JavaBayes belief - net you were talking about ones that run on coffee ? or that are in the program language Java ?

No , th It turns out that there is a , uh  The new end of Java libraries. OK , and it turns out one called


And it  and it may serve as a platform for a person , maybe me , or whoever , who is interested in doing some linguistic analysis. I mean , w we have the For - FrameNet group here , and we can see what they have found out about those concepts already , that are contained in the data , um , you know , to come up with a nice little set of features and um , maybe even means of s uh , extracting them. And  and that altogether could also be  uh , become a nice paper that 's going to be published somewhere , if we sit down and write it. And um  When you said JavaBayes belief - net you were talking about ones that run on coffee ? or that are in the program language Java ?

No , th It turns out that there is a , uh  The new end of Java libraries. OK , and it turns out one called

Which is one that fair  people around here use a fair amount. I have no idea whether that 's   The obvious advantage of that is that you can then , relatively easily , get all the other Java packages for GUIs or whatever else you might want to do.


No , th It turns out that there is a , uh  The new end of Java libraries. OK , and it turns out one called

Which is one that fair  people around here use a fair amount. I have no idea whether that 's   The obvious advantage of that is that you can then , relatively easily , get all the other Java packages for GUIs or whatever else you might want to do.


Which is one that fair  people around here use a fair amount. I have no idea whether that 's   The obvious advantage of that is that you can then , relatively easily , get all the other Java packages for GUIs or whatever else you might want to do.

So that i that 's I think why a lot of people doing research use that. But it may not be  I have no idea whether that 's the best choice an and there 're plenty of people around , students in the department who , you know , live and breathe Bayes - nets. So , uh ,


Which is one that fair  people around here use a fair amount. I have no idea whether that 's   The obvious advantage of that is that you can then , relatively easily , get all the other Java packages for GUIs or whatever else you might want to do.

So that i that 's I think why a lot of people doing research use that. But it may not be  I have no idea whether that 's the best choice an and there 're plenty of people around , students in the department who , you know , live and breathe Bayes - nets. So , uh ,

There 's the m tool kit that um , Kevin Murphy has developed ,


So that i that 's I think why a lot of people doing research use that. But it may not be  I have no idea whether that 's the best choice an and there 're plenty of people around , students in the department who , you know , live and breathe Bayes - nets. So , uh ,

There 's the m tool kit that um , Kevin Murphy has developed ,


There 's the m tool kit that um , Kevin Murphy has developed ,


So , yeah , Kevin would be a good person to start with.


So , yeah , Kevin would be a good person to start with.

Nancy knows him well. I don't know I don't know whether you guys have met Kevin yet or not ,


Nancy knows him well. I don't know I don't know whether you guys have met Kevin yet or not ,


But i But since we all probably are pretty sure that , um , the


But i But since we all probably are pretty sure that , um , the

For example , this th th the dialogue history is  is um , producing XML documents. M - three - L of course is XML. And the ontology that um , uh the student is  is constructing for me back in  in EML is in OIL and that 's also in XML. And so that 's where a lot of knowledge about bakeries , about hotels , about castles and stuff is gonna come from.


For example , this th th the dialogue history is  is um , producing XML documents. M - three - L of course is XML. And the ontology that um , uh the student is  is constructing for me back in  in EML is in OIL and that 's also in XML. And so that 's where a lot of knowledge about bakeries , about hotels , about castles and stuff is gonna come from.

Um , so , if it has that IO capability and if it 's a Java package , it will definitely be able  We can couple.


For example , this th th the dialogue history is  is um , producing XML documents. M - three - L of course is XML. And the ontology that um , uh the student is  is constructing for me back in  in EML is in OIL and that 's also in XML. And so that 's where a lot of knowledge about bakeries , about hotels , about castles and stuff is gonna come from.

Um , so , if it has that IO capability and if it 's a Java package , it will definitely be able  We can couple.

Yeah. So , yeah , we 're sort of  committed to XML as the kind of , uh , interchange. But that 's , you know , not a big deal.


Um , so , if it has that IO capability and if it 's a Java package , it will definitely be able  We can couple.

Yeah. So , yeah , we 're sort of  committed to XML as the kind of , uh , interchange. But that 's , you know , not a big deal.


Um , so , if it has that IO capability and if it 's a Java package , it will definitely be able  We can couple.

Yeah. So , yeah , we 're sort of  committed to XML as the kind of , uh , interchange. But that 's , you know , not a big deal.

So , in terms of  of  interchanging in and out of any module we build , It 'll be XML. And if you 're going off to queries to the ontology , for example , you 'll have to deal with its interface. But that 's  that 's fine an and um , all of these things have been built with much bigger projects than this in mind. So they  they have worked very hard. It 's kind of blackboards and multi - wave blackboards and ways of interchanging and registering your a And so forth. So , that I don't think is even worth us worrying about just yet. I mean if we can get the core of the thing to work , in a way that we 're comfortable with , then we ca we can get in and out of it with , uh , XML , um , little descriptors. I believe.


Yeah. So , yeah , we 're sort of  committed to XML as the kind of , uh , interchange. But that 's , you know , not a big deal.

So , in terms of  of  interchanging in and out of any module we build , It 'll be XML. And if you 're going off to queries to the ontology , for example , you 'll have to deal with its interface. But that 's  that 's fine an and um , all of these things have been built with much bigger projects than this in mind. So they  they have worked very hard. It 's kind of blackboards and multi - wave blackboards and ways of interchanging and registering your a And so forth. So , that I don't think is even worth us worrying about just yet. I mean if we can get the core of the thing to work , in a way that we 're comfortable with , then we ca we can get in and out of it with , uh , XML , um , little descriptors. I believe.

Hmm. Yeah. Yeah , I like , for example , the  what you said about the getting input from  from just files about where you h where you have the data , have specified the features and so forth.


So , in terms of  of  interchanging in and out of any module we build , It 'll be XML. And if you 're going off to queries to the ontology , for example , you 'll have to deal with its interface. But that 's  that 's fine an and um , all of these things have been built with much bigger projects than this in mind. So they  they have worked very hard. It 's kind of blackboards and multi - wave blackboards and ways of interchanging and registering your a And so forth. So , that I don't think is even worth us worrying about just yet. I mean if we can get the core of the thing to work , in a way that we 're comfortable with , then we ca we can get in and out of it with , uh , XML , um , little descriptors. I believe.

Hmm. Yeah. Yeah , I like , for example , the  what you said about the getting input from  from just files about where you h where you have the data , have specified the features and so forth.


So , in terms of  of  interchanging in and out of any module we build , It 'll be XML. And if you 're going off to queries to the ontology , for example , you 'll have to deal with its interface. But that 's  that 's fine an and um , all of these things have been built with much bigger projects than this in mind. So they  they have worked very hard. It 's kind of blackboards and multi - wave blackboards and ways of interchanging and registering your a And so forth. So , that I don't think is even worth us worrying about just yet. I mean if we can get the core of the thing to work , in a way that we 're comfortable with , then we ca we can get in and out of it with , uh , XML , um , little descriptors. I believe.

Hmm. Yeah. Yeah , I like , for example , the  what you said about the getting input from  from just files about where you h where you have the data , have specified the features and so forth.

That 's , of course , easy also to do with , you know , XML.


Hmm. Yeah. Yeah , I like , for example , the  what you said about the getting input from  from just files about where you h where you have the data , have specified the features and so forth.

That 's , of course , easy also to do with , you know , XML.

Uh , you could have an X  yeah , you could make and XML format for that. Sure.


That 's , of course , easy also to do with , you know , XML.

Uh , you could have an X  yeah , you could make and XML format for that. Sure.


That 's , of course , easy also to do with , you know , XML.

Uh , you could have an X  yeah , you could make and XML format for that. Sure.

That  that  um , you know , feature value XML format is probably as good a way as any. So it 's als Yeah , I guess it 's also worth , um , while you 're poking around , poke around for XML packages that um , do things you 'd like.


Uh , you could have an X  yeah , you could make and XML format for that. Sure.

That  that  um , you know , feature value XML format is probably as good a way as any. So it 's als Yeah , I guess it 's also worth , um , while you 're poking around , poke around for XML packages that um , do things you 'd like.

Doesn't  does SmartKom system have such packages ?


That  that  um , you know , feature value XML format is probably as good a way as any. So it 's als Yeah , I guess it 's also worth , um , while you 're poking around , poke around for XML packages that um , do things you 'd like.

Doesn't  does SmartKom system have such packages ?


Doesn't  does SmartKom system have such packages ?

The  the lib M - three - L library does that. It 's also


The  the lib M - three - L library does that. It 's also

And the question is , d you c you  you 'll have to l We 'll have to l That should be  ay We should be able to look at that


The  the lib M - three - L library does that. It 's also

And the question is , d you c you  you 'll have to l We 'll have to l That should be  ay We should be able to look at that

No , u u y um the  What I  What sort of came to my mind i is  was the notion of an idea that if  if there are l nets that can actually lear try to set their own , um , probability factors based on  on  on  on input


And the question is , d you c you  you 'll have to l We 'll have to l That should be  ay We should be able to look at that

No , u u y um the  What I  What sort of came to my mind i is  was the notion of an idea that if  if there are l nets that can actually lear try to set their own , um , probability factors based on  on  on  on input

which is in file format , if we , um , get really w wild on this , we may actually want to use some  some corpora that other people made and , for example , if  if they are in  in MATE , then we get X M L documents with discourse annotations , t you know , t from the discourse act down to the phonetic level.


No , u u y um the  What I  What sort of came to my mind i is  was the notion of an idea that if  if there are l nets that can actually lear try to set their own , um , probability factors based on  on  on  on input

which is in file format , if we , um , get really w wild on this , we may actually want to use some  some corpora that other people made and , for example , if  if they are in  in MATE , then we get X M L documents with discourse annotations , t you know , t from the discourse act down to the phonetic level.


which is in file format , if we , um , get really w wild on this , we may actually want to use some  some corpora that other people made and , for example , if  if they are in  in MATE , then we get X M L documents with discourse annotations , t you know , t from the discourse act down to the phonetic level.

Um , Michael has a project where  you know , recognizing discourse acts and he does it all in MATE , and so they 're actually annotating data and data and data. So if we w if we think it 's worth it one of these days , not  not with this first prototype but maybe with a second , and we have the possibility of  of taking input that 's generated elsewhere and learn from that , that 'd be nice.


Um , Michael has a project where  you know , recognizing discourse acts and he does it all in MATE , and so they 're actually annotating data and data and data. So if we w if we think it 's worth it one of these days , not  not with this first prototype but maybe with a second , and we have the possibility of  of taking input that 's generated elsewhere and learn from that , that 'd be nice.

It 'd be nice , but  but I  I  I do I don't wanna count on it. I mean , you can't  you can't run your project based on the speculation that  that the data will come ,


It 'd be nice , but  but I  I  I do I don't wanna count on it. I mean , you can't  you can't run your project based on the speculation that  that the data will come ,

and you don't have to actually design the nets.


It 'd be nice , but  but I  I  I do I don't wanna count on it. I mean , you can't  you can't run your project based on the speculation that  that the data will come ,

and you don't have to actually design the nets.

Nuh. Just a back door that  I  I think we should devote m


and you don't have to actually design the nets.

Nuh. Just a back door that  I  I think we should devote m

Could happen. Yeah. So in terms of  of the , um  the  what the SmartKom gives us for M - three - L packages , it could be that they 're fine , or it could be eeh. You don't  You know , you don't really like it. So we 're not  we 're not abs we 're not required to use their packages. We are required at the end to give them stuff in their format , but hey.


Nuh. Just a back door that  I  I think we should devote m

Could happen. Yeah. So in terms of  of the , um  the  what the SmartKom gives us for M - three - L packages , it could be that they 're fine , or it could be eeh. You don't  You know , you don't really like it. So we 're not  we 're not abs we 're not required to use their packages. We are required at the end to give them stuff in their format , but hey.

Um , it 's , uh  It doesn't control what you do in you know , internally.


Could happen. Yeah. So in terms of  of the , um  the  what the SmartKom gives us for M - three - L packages , it could be that they 're fine , or it could be eeh. You don't  You know , you don't really like it. So we 're not  we 're not abs we 're not required to use their packages. We are required at the end to give them stuff in their format , but hey.

Um , it 's , uh  It doesn't control what you do in you know , internally.


Um , it 's , uh  It doesn't control what you do in you know , internally.


Um , it 's , uh  It doesn't control what you do in you know , internally.

Huh ? Yeah bu w I 'd like that this  y yeah , this week , to ha to n to  have y guys , uh , you know , pick  the  y you know , belief - net package


Huh ? Yeah bu w I 'd like that this  y yeah , this week , to ha to n to  have y guys , uh , you know , pick  the  y you know , belief - net package


Huh ? Yeah bu w I 'd like that this  y yeah , this week , to ha to n to  have y guys , uh , you know , pick  the  y you know , belief - net package

and tell us what it is , and give us a pointer so we can play with it or something.


and tell us what it is , and give us a pointer so we can play with it or something.

And , then as soon as we have it , I think we should start trying to populate it for this problem. Make a first cut at , you know , what 's going on , and probably the ea easiest way to do that is some on - line way. I mean , you can f figure out whether you wanna make it a web site or  You know , how


and tell us what it is , and give us a pointer so we can play with it or something.

And , then as soon as we have it , I think we should start trying to populate it for this problem. Make a first cut at , you know , what 's going on , and probably the ea easiest way to do that is some on - line way. I mean , you can f figure out whether you wanna make it a web site or  You know , how

Uh  I  I  I  um , OK , I  t Yeah. I was actually more joking. With the two or three days. So this was  was a usual jo


And , then as soon as we have it , I think we should start trying to populate it for this problem. Make a first cut at , you know , what 's going on , and probably the ea easiest way to do that is some on - line way. I mean , you can f figure out whether you wanna make it a web site or  You know , how

Uh  I  I  I  um , OK , I  t Yeah. I was actually more joking. With the two or three days. So this was  was a usual jo


And , then as soon as we have it , I think we should start trying to populate it for this problem. Make a first cut at , you know , what 's going on , and probably the ea easiest way to do that is some on - line way. I mean , you can f figure out whether you wanna make it a web site or  You know , how

Uh  I  I  I  um , OK , I  t Yeah. I was actually more joking. With the two or three days. So this was  was a usual jo

Um , it will take as long as y y yo you guys need for that.


Uh  I  I  I  um , OK , I  t Yeah. I was actually more joking. With the two or three days. So this was  was a usual jo

Um , it will take as long as y y yo you guys need for that.


Um , it will take as long as y y yo you guys need for that.

But um , maybe it might be interesting if  if the two of you can agree on who 's gonna be the speaker next Monday , to tell us something about the net you picked , and what it does , and how it does that.


But um , maybe it might be interesting if  if the two of you can agree on who 's gonna be the speaker next Monday , to tell us something about the net you picked , and what it does , and how it does that.


So that will be sort of the assignment for next week , is to  to  for slides and whatever net you picked and what it can do and  and how far you 've gotten. Pppt !


So that will be sort of the assignment for next week , is to  to  for slides and whatever net you picked and what it can do and  and how far you 've gotten. Pppt !

Well , I 'd like to also , though , uh , ha have a first cut at what the belief - net looks like. Even if it 's really crude. OK ? So , you know , here a here are


So that will be sort of the assignment for next week , is to  to  for slides and whatever net you picked and what it can do and  and how far you 've gotten. Pppt !

Well , I 'd like to also , though , uh , ha have a first cut at what the belief - net looks like. Even if it 's really crude. OK ? So , you know , here a here are

So we 're supposed to @ @ about features and whatnot ,


Well , I 'd like to also , though , uh , ha have a first cut at what the belief - net looks like. Even if it 's really crude. OK ? So , you know , here a here are

So we 're supposed to @ @ about features and whatnot ,


So we 're supposed to @ @ about features and whatnot ,


And , as I said , what I 'd like to do is , I mean , what would be really great is you bring it in  If  if  if we could , uh , in the meeting , say , you know , " Here 's the package , here 's the current one we have , " uh , you know , " What other ideas do you have ? " and then we can think about this idea of making up the data file. Of , uh , you know , get a  t a p tentative format for it , let 's say XML , that says , l you know , " These are the various scenarios we 've experienced. " We can just add to that and there 'll be this  this file of them and when you think you 've got a better belief - net , You just run it against this , um  this data file.


And , as I said , what I 'd like to do is , I mean , what would be really great is you bring it in  If  if  if we could , uh , in the meeting , say , you know , " Here 's the package , here 's the current one we have , " uh , you know , " What other ideas do you have ? " and then we can think about this idea of making up the data file. Of , uh , you know , get a  t a p tentative format for it , let 's say XML , that says , l you know , " These are the various scenarios we 've experienced. " We can just add to that and there 'll be this  this file of them and when you think you 've got a better belief - net , You just run it against this , um  this data file.

So we 'll be like , hand , uh , doing all the probabilities.


So we 'll be like , hand , uh , doing all the probabilities.

And what 's the relation to this with  Changing the table so that the system works in English ?


And what 's the relation to this with  Changing the table so that the system works in English ?

OK. So this is  Whi - while you were doing this , I received two lovely emails. The  the full NT and the full Linux version are there. I 've downloaded them both , and I started to unpack the Linux one  Uh , the NT one worked fine. and I started unta pack the Linux one , it told me that I can't really unpack it because it contains a future date. So this is the time difference between Germany. I had to wait until one o ' clock this afternoon before I was able to unpack it. Now , um  Then it will be my job to get this whole thing running both on Swede and on this machine. And so that we have it. And then um  Hopefully that  hoping that my urgent message will now come through to Ralph and Tilman that it will send some more documentation along , we  I control p Maybe that 's what I will do next Monday is show the state and show the system and show that.


And what 's the relation to this with  Changing the table so that the system works in English ?

OK. So this is  Whi - while you were doing this , I received two lovely emails. The  the full NT and the full Linux version are there. I 've downloaded them both , and I started to unpack the Linux one  Uh , the NT one worked fine. and I started unta pack the Linux one , it told me that I can't really unpack it because it contains a future date. So this is the time difference between Germany. I had to wait until one o ' clock this afternoon before I was able to unpack it. Now , um  Then it will be my job to get this whole thing running both on Swede and on this machine. And so that we have it. And then um  Hopefully that  hoping that my urgent message will now come through to Ralph and Tilman that it will send some more documentation along , we  I control p Maybe that 's what I will do next Monday is show the state and show the system and show that.

Yeah. Yeah. So the answer , Johno , is that these are , at the moment , separate. Uh , what one hopes is that when we understand how the analyzer works , we can both worry about converting it to English and worry about how it could ex extract the parameters we need for the belief - net.


And what 's the relation to this with  Changing the table so that the system works in English ?

OK. So this is  Whi - while you were doing this , I received two lovely emails. The  the full NT and the full Linux version are there. I 've downloaded them both , and I started to unpack the Linux one  Uh , the NT one worked fine. and I started unta pack the Linux one , it told me that I can't really unpack it because it contains a future date. So this is the time difference between Germany. I had to wait until one o ' clock this afternoon before I was able to unpack it. Now , um  Then it will be my job to get this whole thing running both on Swede and on this machine. And so that we have it. And then um  Hopefully that  hoping that my urgent message will now come through to Ralph and Tilman that it will send some more documentation along , we  I control p Maybe that 's what I will do next Monday is show the state and show the system and show that.

Yeah. Yeah. So the answer , Johno , is that these are , at the moment , separate. Uh , what one hopes is that when we understand how the analyzer works , we can both worry about converting it to English and worry about how it could ex extract the parameters we need for the belief - net.

I guess my question was more about time frame. So we 're gonna do belief - nets this week , and then


OK. So this is  Whi - while you were doing this , I received two lovely emails. The  the full NT and the full Linux version are there. I 've downloaded them both , and I started to unpack the Linux one  Uh , the NT one worked fine. and I started unta pack the Linux one , it told me that I can't really unpack it because it contains a future date. So this is the time difference between Germany. I had to wait until one o ' clock this afternoon before I was able to unpack it. Now , um  Then it will be my job to get this whole thing running both on Swede and on this machine. And so that we have it. And then um  Hopefully that  hoping that my urgent message will now come through to Ralph and Tilman that it will send some more documentation along , we  I control p Maybe that 's what I will do next Monday is show the state and show the system and show that.

Yeah. Yeah. So the answer , Johno , is that these are , at the moment , separate. Uh , what one hopes is that when we understand how the analyzer works , we can both worry about converting it to English and worry about how it could ex extract the parameters we need for the belief - net.

I guess my question was more about time frame. So we 're gonna do belief - nets this week , and then

Oh , yeah. I don't know. n None of this is i n Neither of these projects has got a real tight time - line , in the sense that over the next month there 's a  there 's a deliverable.


Yeah. Yeah. So the answer , Johno , is that these are , at the moment , separate. Uh , what one hopes is that when we understand how the analyzer works , we can both worry about converting it to English and worry about how it could ex extract the parameters we need for the belief - net.

I guess my question was more about time frame. So we 're gonna do belief - nets this week , and then

Oh , yeah. I don't know. n None of this is i n Neither of these projects has got a real tight time - line , in the sense that over the next month there 's a  there 's a deliverable.


I guess my question was more about time frame. So we 're gonna do belief - nets this week , and then

Oh , yeah. I don't know. n None of this is i n Neither of these projects has got a real tight time - line , in the sense that over the next month there 's a  there 's a deliverable.

OK. S so uh , it 's opportu in that sense it 's opportunistic. If  if  you know , if we don't get any information for these guys f for several weeks then we aren't gonna sit around , you know , wasting time , trying to do the problem or guess what they  You know , just pppt ! go on and do other things.


Oh , yeah. I don't know. n None of this is i n Neither of these projects has got a real tight time - line , in the sense that over the next month there 's a  there 's a deliverable.

OK. S so uh , it 's opportu in that sense it 's opportunistic. If  if  you know , if we don't get any information for these guys f for several weeks then we aren't gonna sit around , you know , wasting time , trying to do the problem or guess what they  You know , just pppt ! go on and do other things.


OK. S so uh , it 's opportu in that sense it 's opportunistic. If  if  you know , if we don't get any information for these guys f for several weeks then we aren't gonna sit around , you know , wasting time , trying to do the problem or guess what they  You know , just pppt ! go on and do other things.

Yeah , but uh  but the uh  This point is really  I think very , very valid that ultimately we hope that  that both will merge into a harmonious and , um , wonderful , um , state where we can not only do the bare necessities , IE , changing the table so it does exactly in English what it does in German , but also that we can sort of have the system where we can say , " OK , this is what it usually does , and now we add this little thing to it " , you know ? whatever , Johno 's and Bhaskara 's great belief - net , and we plug it in , and then for these certain tasks , and we know that navigational tasks are gonna be a core domain of the new system , it all  all of a sudden it does much better. Nuh ? Because it can produce better answers , tell the person , as I s showed you on this map , n you know , produce either you know , a red line that goes to the Vista point or a red line that goes to the Tango point or red line that goes to the door , which would be great. So not only can you show that you know something sensible but ultimately , if you produce a system like this , it takes the person where it wants to go. Rather than taking him always to the geometric center of a building ,


Yeah , but uh  but the uh  This point is really  I think very , very valid that ultimately we hope that  that both will merge into a harmonious and , um , wonderful , um , state where we can not only do the bare necessities , IE , changing the table so it does exactly in English what it does in German , but also that we can sort of have the system where we can say , " OK , this is what it usually does , and now we add this little thing to it " , you know ? whatever , Johno 's and Bhaskara 's great belief - net , and we plug it in , and then for these certain tasks , and we know that navigational tasks are gonna be a core domain of the new system , it all  all of a sudden it does much better. Nuh ? Because it can produce better answers , tell the person , as I s showed you on this map , n you know , produce either you know , a red line that goes to the Vista point or a red line that goes to the Tango point or red line that goes to the door , which would be great. So not only can you show that you know something sensible but ultimately , if you produce a system like this , it takes the person where it wants to go. Rather than taking him always to the geometric center of a building ,

which is what they do now. And we even had to take out a bit. Nancy , you missed that part. We had to take out a bit of the road work. So that it doesn't take you to the wall  every time.