So this is the easiest design the there could be. So th an A_S_R_ decoder we can have things in . To have different technologies. So this was the  my personal preference was that we can have A_S_R_ sitting there on the remote control.

You know I guess you could actually train the remote control as you're using it by saying you know  turn volume up , and you press the uh press the button

like uh s people teach sign language to kids f well , by speaking and doing


You know I guess you could actually train the remote control as you're using it by saying you know  turn volume up , and you press the uh press the button

like uh s people teach sign language to kids f well , by speaking and doing

Yeah but uh as soon as you try to put the microchip kind of thing or something the price will go up.


like uh s people teach sign language to kids f well , by speaking and doing

Yeah but uh as soon as you try to put the microchip kind of thing or something the price will go up.


Yeah but uh as soon as you try to put the microchip kind of thing or something the price will go up.


So your your opinion is that we should go for special condition technologies ?


So your your opinion is that we should go for special condition technologies ?

Because  yeah the reason is that if we go into the market means  though I don't have much idea , but as he  the uh Marketing Expert presentation was


So your your opinion is that we should go for special condition technologies ?

Because  yeah the reason is that if we go into the market means  though I don't have much idea , but as he  the uh Marketing Expert presentation was

I'm sure if you can sell a a speech recognition remote control for twenty five Euros everyo  everyone will s will buy it.


Because  yeah the reason is that if we go into the market means  though I don't have much idea , but as he  the uh Marketing Expert presentation was

I'm sure if you can sell a a speech recognition remote control for twenty five Euros everyo  everyone will s will buy it.


I'm sure if you can sell a a speech recognition remote control for twenty five Euros everyo  everyone will s will buy it.


you know if I was using a remote control to , say , turn the volume up because I can't hear it very well , I don't really want to you know drown out what people are saying by talking you know when I'm when I'm  instead of pressing up on on a remote control. You know if there's some there's some dialogue all of a sudden that I can't hear , I'm trying to actually find out what's being said ,


you know if I was using a remote control to , say , turn the volume up because I can't hear it very well , I don't really want to you know drown out what people are saying by talking you know when I'm when I'm  instead of pressing up on on a remote control. You know if there's some there's some dialogue all of a sudden that I can't hear , I'm trying to actually find out what's being said ,

so maybe speech recognition gets in the way more than it helps.


so maybe speech recognition gets in the way more than it helps.

Yeah but you know the the average frequency of pushing buttons , it's about


so maybe speech recognition gets in the way more than it helps.

Yeah but you know the the average frequency of pushing buttons , it's about

Well it depends if it's a remote control th


Yeah but you know the the average frequency of pushing buttons , it's about

Well it depends if it's a remote control th

it's about eighty eighty eighty pushes per hour , or something like that.


Yeah but you know the the average frequency of pushing buttons , it's about

Well it depends if it's a remote control th

it's about eighty eighty eighty pushes per hour , or something like that.

Maybe if the remote control is something that y you don't actually have to pick up anymore , that would be a a useful feature of the speech recogntion.


Well it depends if it's a remote control th

it's about eighty eighty eighty pushes per hour , or something like that.

Maybe if the remote control is something that y you don't actually have to pick up anymore , that would be a a useful feature of the speech recogntion.

If you can leave it sitting on the table and you don't actually have to find it , then that could be .


it's about eighty eighty eighty pushes per hour , or something like that.

Maybe if the remote control is something that y you don't actually have to pick up anymore , that would be a a useful feature of the speech recogntion.

If you can leave it sitting on the table and you don't actually have to find it , then that could be .

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.


Maybe if the remote control is something that y you don't actually have to pick up anymore , that would be a a useful feature of the speech recogntion.

If you can leave it sitting on the table and you don't actually have to find it , then that could be .

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Okay gentlemens , we have to take some deci decisions right now.


If you can leave it sitting on the table and you don't actually have to find it , then that could be .

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Okay gentlemens , we have to take some deci decisions right now.


Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Okay gentlemens , we have to take some deci decisions right now.

Um so if I if I kind of summarise everything we've de we we said. We are targeting T_V_.  We need  we need to have um um remote control which is fanc fancy , which is uh which is easy to to hand not too small , not too big. Um we have


Okay gentlemens , we have to take some deci decisions right now.

Um so if I if I kind of summarise everything we've de we we said. We are targeting T_V_.  We need  we need to have um um remote control which is fanc fancy , which is uh which is easy to to hand not too small , not too big. Um we have


Um so if I if I kind of summarise everything we've de we we said. We are targeting T_V_.  We need  we need to have um um remote control which is fanc fancy , which is uh which is easy to to hand not too small , not too big. Um we have

or good shape , yes. We should bring new technologies for young peoples , and uh as we have uh also requirements to to use uh to to push thr toward the internet. Maybe this is something we can stick to it. And um  also , a very interesting things I I I've seen on on on the  one of the comp o our competitor is this wheel that we can use to navigate. So so my feeling is that re regarding costs budget we have an an an target price , it's not possible to go s to go to L_C_D_  and also to go to automatic speech recognition technologies. Uh first m m why not to go to L_C_D_. Because um in fact as we are targeting uh T_V_  in fact we can use T_V_ screen as a screen to feedback  to to give some feedback informations about what we could have.


Um so if I if I kind of summarise everything we've de we we said. We are targeting T_V_.  We need  we need to have um um remote control which is fanc fancy , which is uh which is easy to to hand not too small , not too big. Um we have

or good shape , yes. We should bring new technologies for young peoples , and uh as we have uh also requirements to to use uh to to push thr toward the internet. Maybe this is something we can stick to it. And um  also , a very interesting things I I I've seen on on on the  one of the comp o our competitor is this wheel that we can use to navigate. So so my feeling is that re regarding costs budget we have an an an target price , it's not possible to go s to go to L_C_D_  and also to go to automatic speech recognition technologies. Uh first m m why not to go to L_C_D_. Because um in fact as we are targeting uh T_V_  in fact we can use T_V_ screen as a screen to feedback  to to give some feedback informations about what we could have.

Well it depends though  well it depends. If we we don't  unless we have some input some video input to the T_V_ or we have control over the T_V_ then we can't actually display that. Like if we if we produce the T_V_s then then yeah we can put you know menus up up there , but otherwise we need to actually have some kind of  something sitting in between the video signal and the and the T_V_ to superimpose those those menus. So that's an extra


or good shape , yes. We should bring new technologies for young peoples , and uh as we have uh also requirements to to use uh to to push thr toward the internet. Maybe this is something we can stick to it. And um  also , a very interesting things I I I've seen on on on the  one of the comp o our competitor is this wheel that we can use to navigate. So so my feeling is that re regarding costs budget we have an an an target price , it's not possible to go s to go to L_C_D_  and also to go to automatic speech recognition technologies. Uh first m m why not to go to L_C_D_. Because um in fact as we are targeting uh T_V_  in fact we can use T_V_ screen as a screen to feedback  to to give some feedback informations about what we could have.

Well it depends though  well it depends. If we we don't  unless we have some input some video input to the T_V_ or we have control over the T_V_ then we can't actually display that. Like if we if we produce the T_V_s then then yeah we can put you know menus up up there , but otherwise we need to actually have some kind of  something sitting in between the video signal and the and the T_V_ to superimpose those those menus. So that's an extra


Well it depends though  well it depends. If we we don't  unless we have some input some video input to the T_V_ or we have control over the T_V_ then we can't actually display that. Like if we if we produce the T_V_s then then yeah we can put you know menus up up there , but otherwise we need to actually have some kind of  something sitting in between the video signal and the and the T_V_ to superimpose those those menus. So that's an extra

don't we have contacts with uh people on T_V_ or or  well systems that exist that we can use ?


don't we have contacts with uh people on T_V_ or or  well systems that exist that we can use ?

Well this is this is another que we still haven't really defined the remote. Are we still  you say we're focusing on T_V_ , but is it still a kind of like a universal remote in that it's a replacement remote control , or is this something for our own line of of televisions ?


don't we have contacts with uh people on T_V_ or or  well systems that exist that we can use ?

Well this is this is another que we still haven't really defined the remote. Are we still  you say we're focusing on T_V_ , but is it still a kind of like a universal remote in that it's a replacement remote control , or is this something for our own line of of televisions ?

'Cause that really makes a big difference. 'Cause  even if we have contacts we can't really produce a remote control that can bring up menus on other other companies' T_V_s. It's just there are too many T_V_s out there. It's it's not really gonna


Well this is this is another que we still haven't really defined the remote. Are we still  you say we're focusing on T_V_ , but is it still a kind of like a universal remote in that it's a replacement remote control , or is this something for our own line of of televisions ?

'Cause that really makes a big difference. 'Cause  even if we have contacts we can't really produce a remote control that can bring up menus on other other companies' T_V_s. It's just there are too many T_V_s out there. It's it's not really gonna

Yeah. That's good point. What's what cou what could be the cost of uh  well , could we fit the the targets uh in terms of cost uh if we go s to L_C_D_ on the remote control ?


'Cause that really makes a big difference. 'Cause  even if we have contacts we can't really produce a remote control that can bring up menus on other other companies' T_V_s. It's just there are too many T_V_s out there. It's it's not really gonna

Yeah. That's good point. What's what cou what could be the cost of uh  well , could we fit the the targets uh in terms of cost uh if we go s to L_C_D_ on the remote control ?

For twenty five Euro ?  I think it's impossible.


Yeah. That's good point. What's what cou what could be the cost of uh  well , could we fit the the targets uh in terms of cost uh if we go s to L_C_D_ on the remote control ?

For twenty five Euro ?  I think it's impossible.


For twenty five Euro ?  I think it's impossible.


I think um it would be good to know if there is any leverage in that  any leeway in that um that twenty five Euro because for twenty five Euro I think all we can really do is provide a very basic remote control , and that seems to be kind of against the philosophy of our company which is you know putting the fashion into electronics. So I would I would like to know if there's any chance of of increasing the uh


I think um it would be good to know if there is any leverage in that  any leeway in that um that twenty five Euro because for twenty five Euro I think all we can really do is provide a very basic remote control , and that seems to be kind of against the philosophy of our company which is you know putting the fashion into electronics. So I would I would like to know if there's any chance of of increasing the uh

So you mean yo you mean we we should target something maybe which is  which would be more expensive but re really fancy in terms to um  in terms to had  to have really an added value ?


So you mean yo you mean we we should target something maybe which is  which would be more expensive but re really fancy in terms to um  in terms to had  to have really an added value ?


so regarding the automatic speech recognition , I think this is


so regarding the automatic speech recognition , I think this is

Wha but what would be  one question , what would be the goal of putting an L_C_D_ in a remote control ?


Wha but what would be  one question , what would be the goal of putting an L_C_D_ in a remote control ?

'Cause you can have things like the programme name instead of the channel numbers , like an interactive programme guide.


'Cause you can have things like the programme name instead of the channel numbers , like an interactive programme guide.

Yeah but mo most of the T_V_s nowadays show the show the


'Cause you can have things like the programme name instead of the channel numbers , like an interactive programme guide.

Yeah but mo most of the T_V_s nowadays show the show the

They have tele teletext. Well , because they have teletext on it.


Yeah but mo most of the T_V_s nowadays show the show the

They have tele teletext. Well , because they have teletext on it.

Th th you have a teletext sin signal that you can that you can uh that you can get thr through the channel.


They have tele teletext. Well , because they have teletext on it.

Th th you have a teletext sin signal that you can that you can uh that you can get thr through the channel.

Yeah but yeah most of the T_V_s have teletext nowadays.


Th th you have a teletext sin signal that you can that you can uh that you can get thr through the channel.

Yeah but yeah most of the T_V_s have teletext nowadays.

They have t most of them have teletext , but we want to get rid  well one of our requirements is to uh to move to teletext to uh to the use of internet.


Yeah but yeah most of the T_V_s have teletext nowadays.

They have t most of them have teletext , but we want to get rid  well one of our requirements is to uh to move to teletext to uh to the use of internet.


They have t most of them have teletext , but we want to get rid  well one of our requirements is to uh to move to teletext to uh to the use of internet.

You can get a lot more information on it.


You can get a lot more information on it.

to browse more easily the teletext. For instance through uh through your remote control.


You can get a lot more information on it.

to browse more easily the teletext. For instance through uh through your remote control.

So what would what would appear in the in the L_C_D_ ?


You can get a lot more information on it.

to browse more easily the teletext. For instance through uh through your remote control.

So what would what would appear in the in the L_C_D_ ?

So you could have the name of the programme , you could have um the start time you know where it's up to.


to browse more easily the teletext. For instance through uh through your remote control.

So what would what would appear in the in the L_C_D_ ?

So you could have the name of the programme , you could have um the start time you know where it's up to.

The ti the start time , all the p all the programmes you could have uh  o


So what would what would appear in the in the L_C_D_ ?

So you could have the name of the programme , you could have um the start time you know where it's up to.

The ti the start time , all the p all the programmes you could have uh  o

You could have a l even a little image of you know the c you know the the m the main actors or something


So you could have the name of the programme , you could have um the start time you know where it's up to.

The ti the start time , all the p all the programmes you could have uh  o

You could have a l even a little image of you know the c you know the the m the main actors or something


The ti the start time , all the p all the programmes you could have uh  o

You could have a l even a little image of you know the c you know the the m the main actors or something

so you can quickly just kind of  even without reading


You could have a l even a little image of you know the c you know the the m the main actors or something

so you can quickly just kind of  even without reading

Well I don't know if this information is available from teletext , also.


so you can quickly just kind of  even without reading

Well I don't know if this information is available from teletext , also.

Well no , but there are the electronic programme guides out there. They may not have pictures , but maybe they do.


Well I don't know if this information is available from teletext , also.

Well no , but there are the electronic programme guides out there. They may not have pictures , but maybe they do.

There's  dependi it also depends on the country.


Well no , but there are the electronic programme guides out there. They may not have pictures , but maybe they do.

There's  dependi it also depends on the country.

Well because   for the same reason that we cannot uh  informations on the T_V_ . We c we couldn't grab information information which is not there.


There's  dependi it also depends on the country.

Well because   for the same reason that we cannot uh  informations on the T_V_ . We c we couldn't grab information information which is not there.

No but I mean with the internet you have flexibility of where you get your information from. So it may be possible that there are people out there providing that. Uh.


There's  dependi it also depends on the country.

Well because   for the same reason that we cannot uh  informations on the T_V_ . We c we couldn't grab information information which is not there.

No but I mean with the internet you have flexibility of where you get your information from. So it may be possible that there are people out there providing that. Uh.

So  so that mean w w we need an in an extra internet connection to use the remote control , if you want to browse , in addition to the T_V_ , or uh or it should be a special T_V_ connected to


Well because   for the same reason that we cannot uh  informations on the T_V_ . We c we couldn't grab information information which is not there.

No but I mean with the internet you have flexibility of where you get your information from. So it may be possible that there are people out there providing that. Uh.

So  so that mean w w we need an in an extra internet connection to use the remote control , if you want to browse , in addition to the T_V_ , or uh or it should be a special T_V_ connected to


No but I mean with the internet you have flexibility of where you get your information from. So it may be possible that there are people out there providing that. Uh.

So  so that mean w w we need an in an extra internet connection to use the remote control , if you want to browse , in addition to the T_V_ , or uh or it should be a special T_V_ connected to

Well I I think if we're gonna  I think we would definitely need the internet connection because even with y I don't think you could even get teletext information from the T_V_ onto the remote control , especially if we don't control the T_V_.


So  so that mean w w we need an in an extra internet connection to use the remote control , if you want to browse , in addition to the T_V_ , or uh or it should be a special T_V_ connected to

Well I I think if we're gonna  I think we would definitely need the internet connection because even with y I don't think you could even get teletext information from the T_V_ onto the remote control , especially if we don't control the T_V_.


Well I I think if we're gonna  I think we would definitely need the internet connection because even with y I don't think you could even get teletext information from the T_V_ onto the remote control , especially if we don't control the T_V_.

Okay.  We need to close the meeting. Um  so


Okay.  We need to close the meeting. Um  so


Okay.  We need to close the meeting. Um  so

what kind of market we are targeting ? Is it that we are targeting the replacement remote market , or what ? So the remote has gone bad and the person wants to buy a new remote or  because the cost of L_C_D_ thing could be as high as the T_V_ itself.


what kind of market we are targeting ? Is it that we are targeting the replacement remote market , or what ? So the remote has gone bad and the person wants to buy a new remote or  because the cost of L_C_D_ thing could be as high as the T_V_ itself.


Yeah , well people go to buy another remote control when they broke n broke their  ,


Yeah , well people go to buy another remote control when they broke n broke their  ,

and they want to go t for universal one , and they take the fanciest they can have.


and they want to go t for universal one , and they take the fanciest they can have.


and they want to go t for universal one , and they take the fanciest they can have.

So this is  that we z that that we should target. So the com the um  the uh  the committment is the following , we don't go for speech recognition technology. The L_C_D_ is still on disc is still open to discussion.


So this is  that we z that that we should target. So the com the um  the uh  the committment is the following , we don't go for speech recognition technology. The L_C_D_ is still on disc is still open to discussion.

It is up to you to go through this um  uh this way and to to report report me back next meeting. So


So this is  that we z that that we should target. So the com the um  the uh  the committment is the following , we don't go for speech recognition technology. The L_C_D_ is still on disc is still open to discussion.

It is up to you to go through this um  uh this way and to to report report me back next meeting. So

I think that the speech recognition technology would be cheaper the  than the L_C_D_.


It is up to you to go through this um  uh this way and to to report report me back next meeting. So

I think that the speech recognition technology would be cheaper the  than the L_C_D_.

It's it's cheaper as compared to the L_C_D_.


It is up to you to go through this um  uh this way and to to report report me back next meeting. So

I think that the speech recognition technology would be cheaper the  than the L_C_D_.

It's it's cheaper as compared to the L_C_D_.

Yeah , but not sure. Maybe it's cheaper , but we have no


I think that the speech recognition technology would be cheaper the  than the L_C_D_.

It's it's cheaper as compared to the L_C_D_.

Yeah , but not sure. Maybe it's cheaper , but we have no

Because with the L_C_D_ you need more requirements. You need a internet connection. You need m more things.


It's it's cheaper as compared to the L_C_D_.

Yeah , but not sure. Maybe it's cheaper , but we have no

Because with the L_C_D_ you need more requirements. You need a internet connection. You need m more things.


Yeah , but not sure. Maybe it's cheaper , but we have no

Because with the L_C_D_ you need more requirements. You need a internet connection. You need m more things.

Well the thing is I think I think the type of peop


Because with the L_C_D_ you need more requirements. You need a internet connection. You need m more things.

Well the thing is I think I think the type of peop

for the speech recognition you you don't need anything. You just say channel fifty , and that's it.


Well the thing is I think I think the type of peop

for the speech recognition you you don't need anything. You just say channel fifty , and that's it.

I think the type of people that are gonna want to buy a very stylish rem r remote control with lots of new technologies are the kinda people that are gonna have you know a wireless internet connection maybe , or a  you know.


Well the thing is I think I think the type of peop

for the speech recognition you you don't need anything. You just say channel fifty , and that's it.

I think the type of people that are gonna want to buy a very stylish rem r remote control with lots of new technologies are the kinda people that are gonna have you know a wireless internet connection maybe , or a  you know.

But then we should move to another target b because at twenty five Dollars ,


for the speech recognition you you don't need anything. You just say channel fifty , and that's it.

I think the type of people that are gonna want to buy a very stylish rem r remote control with lots of new technologies are the kinda people that are gonna have you know a wireless internet connection maybe , or a  you know.

But then we should move to another target b because at twenty five Dollars ,

Means th yeah twenty five Euros is  yeah , that's right.


I think the type of people that are gonna want to buy a very stylish rem r remote control with lots of new technologies are the kinda people that are gonna have you know a wireless internet connection maybe , or a  you know.

But then we should move to another target b because at twenty five Dollars ,

Means th yeah twenty five Euros is  yeah , that's right.


But then we should move to another target b because at twenty five Dollars ,

Means th yeah twenty five Euros is  yeah , that's right.


Means th yeah twenty five Euros is  yeah , that's right.

Can we can we increase the the price point of this remote control ? 'Cause otherwise we need


Can we can we increase the the price point of this remote control ? 'Cause otherwise we need

Okay this is   this is an open question for you. Yeah. This is uh up to you to tell us. But I'm definitely not keen on to to


Can we can we increase the the price point of this remote control ? 'Cause otherwise we need

Okay this is   this is an open question for you. Yeah. This is uh up to you to tell us. But I'm definitely not keen on to to

no no no , I'm no I'm definit definitely not keen on going to speech recognition technologies. I'm not confident enough. I'm not sure that that we'll have a product really that work. I uh that work


Okay this is   this is an open question for you. Yeah. This is uh up to you to tell us. But I'm definitely not keen on to to

no no no , I'm no I'm definit definitely not keen on going to speech recognition technologies. I'm not confident enough. I'm not sure that that we'll have a product really that work. I uh that work

It's kind of hard to guarantee that you're gonna


no no no , I'm no I'm definit definitely not keen on going to speech recognition technologies. I'm not confident enough. I'm not sure that that we'll have a product really that work. I uh that work

It's kind of hard to guarantee that you're gonna

It's real yeah. How to guarantee such performances is really hard.


no no no , I'm no I'm definit definitely not keen on going to speech recognition technologies. I'm not confident enough. I'm not sure that that we'll have a product really that work. I uh that work

It's kind of hard to guarantee that you're gonna

It's real yeah. How to guarantee such performances is really hard.

the expert uh said ninety five percent .


It's kind of hard to guarantee that you're gonna

It's real yeah. How to guarantee such performances is really hard.

the expert uh said ninety five percent .


It's real yeah. How to guarantee such performances is really hard.

the expert uh said ninety five percent .

Ninety five percent is not good enough though.


the expert uh said ninety five percent .

Ninety five percent is not good enough though.

So , this is the end of this discussion. Next meeting uh here are the task you have to work on. Um  so you have to work on the component uh concept.


Ninety five percent is not good enough though.

So , this is the end of this discussion. Next meeting uh here are the task you have to work on. Um  so you have to work on the component uh concept.


Ninety five percent is not good enough though.

So , this is the end of this discussion. Next meeting uh here are the task you have to work on. Um  so you have to work on the component uh concept.

Uh you have to work on user interface , and you have to go through a trend watching. Okay. So the question is still open about the L_C_D_ thing. Um uh we  I hope that next meeting we will uh we'll take some um decision that direction. Thanks. Bye.


So , this is the end of this discussion. Next meeting uh here are the task you have to work on. Um  so you have to work on the component uh concept.

Uh you have to work on user interface , and you have to go through a trend watching. Okay. So the question is still open about the L_C_D_ thing. Um uh we  I hope that next meeting we will uh we'll take some um decision that direction. Thanks. Bye.


Uh you have to work on user interface , and you have to go through a trend watching. Okay. So the question is still open about the L_C_D_ thing. Um uh we  I hope that next meeting we will uh we'll take some um decision that direction. Thanks. Bye.


it depends on if the temp files are there or not , that  at least that 's my current working hypothesis ,


it depends on if the temp files are there or not , that  at least that 's my current working hypothesis ,

that I think what happens is it tries to clear the temp files and if they 're too big , it crashes.


that I think what happens is it tries to clear the temp files and if they 're too big , it crashes.

When the power went out the other day and I restarted it , it crashed the first time.


When the power went out the other day and I restarted it , it crashed the first time.


Uh , no , it doesn't  it doesn't clear those necessarily ,


Uh , no , it doesn't  it doesn't clear those necessarily ,

Oh wait  It  it doesn't clear them , OK.


Oh wait  It  it doesn't clear them , OK.

It 's  i they 're called temp files , but they 're not actually in the temp directory they 're in the scratch , so. They 're not backed up , but they 're not erased either on power failure.


It 's  i they 're called temp files , but they 're not actually in the temp directory they 're in the scratch , so. They 're not backed up , but they 're not erased either on power failure.

But that 's usually the meeting that I recorded , and it neve it doesn't crash on me.


It 's  i they 're called temp files , but they 're not actually in the temp directory they 're in the scratch , so. They 're not backed up , but they 're not erased either on power failure.

But that 's usually the meeting that I recorded , and it neve it doesn't crash on me.

Well this wasn't  Actually , this wasn't a before your meeting , this was , um , Tuesday afternoon when , um , uh , Robert just wanted to do a little recording ,


But that 's usually the meeting that I recorded , and it neve it doesn't crash on me.

Well this wasn't  Actually , this wasn't a before your meeting , this was , um , Tuesday afternoon when , um , uh , Robert just wanted to do a little recording ,


Well this wasn't  Actually , this wasn't a before your meeting , this was , um , Tuesday afternoon when , um , uh , Robert just wanted to do a little recording ,

and the power had gone out earlier in the day.


and the power had gone out earlier in the day.


and the power had gone out earlier in the day.

I don't know when would be a good excuse for it , but I just can't wait to be giving a talk t and  and  and use the example from last week with everybody t doing the digits at once.


I don't know when would be a good excuse for it , but I just can't wait to be giving a talk t and  and  and use the example from last week with everybody t doing the digits at once.


Talk about a good noise shield. You know ? You wanted to pe keep people from listening in , you could like have that playing outside the room. Nobody could listen in.


Talk about a good noise shield. You know ? You wanted to pe keep people from listening in , you could like have that playing outside the room. Nobody could listen in.

Well , I had this idea we could make our whole meeting faster that way.


Talk about a good noise shield. You know ? You wanted to pe keep people from listening in , you could like have that playing outside the room. Nobody could listen in.

Well , I had this idea we could make our whole meeting faster that way.

Yeah. Everybody give the reports about what they were doing at exactly the same time ,


Well , I had this idea we could make our whole meeting faster that way.

Yeah. Everybody give the reports about what they were doing at exactly the same time ,


Well , I had this idea we could make our whole meeting faster that way.

Yeah. Everybody give the reports about what they were doing at exactly the same time ,

And then we 'll  we 'll go back later and review the individual channels ,


Yeah. Everybody give the reports about what they were doing at exactly the same time ,

And then we 'll  we 'll go back later and review the individual channels ,


And then we 'll  we 'll go back later and review the individual channels ,


And then we 'll  we 'll go back later and review the individual channels ,

Yep , and then everyone can listen to it later.


Yep , and then everyone can listen to it later.


Actually isn't that what we have been doing ?


Actually isn't that what we have been doing ?

Practically , huh. With all the overlaps.


Practically , huh. With all the overlaps.


Practically , huh. With all the overlaps.

I  Since I 've been gone all week , I didn't send out a reminder for an agenda , so.


I  Since I 've been gone all week , I didn't send out a reminder for an agenda , so.


I  Since I 've been gone all week , I didn't send out a reminder for an agenda , so.

Do we have anything to talk about or should we just read digits and go ?


I  Since I 've been gone all week , I didn't send out a reminder for an agenda , so.

Do we have anything to talk about or should we just read digits and go ?

I wouldn't mind hearing how the conference was.


Do we have anything to talk about or should we just read digits and go ?

I wouldn't mind hearing how the conference was.


I wouldn't mind hearing how the conference was.


Aren't the UW folks coming this weekend ?


Sorry , not  not  not the days coming up , but


So , are we  do we have like an agenda or anything that we should be


So  so the deal is that I can , um ,  uh , I can be available after , uh , like ten thirty or something. I don't know how s how early you wanted to


So  so the deal is that I can , um ,  uh , I can be available after , uh , like ten thirty or something. I don't know how s how early you wanted to

They 're not even gonna be here until eleven or so.


They 're not even gonna be here until eleven or so.


Eurospeech is due on Friday and then I 'm going down to San  uh , San Jose Friday night , so , if  you know , if we start nice and late Saturday that 's a good thing.


Eurospeech is due on Friday and then I 'm going down to San  uh , San Jose Friday night , so , if  you know , if we start nice and late Saturday that 's a good thing.

No , I mean , they 're flying up from  from


No , I mean , they 're flying up from  from

They 're flying from somewhere to somewhere ,


They 're flying from somewhere to somewhere ,

Yeah , and they 'll end up here. So b and also Brian Kingsbury is actually flying from , uh , the east coast on that  that morning.


They 're flying from somewhere to somewhere ,

Yeah , and they 'll end up here. So b and also Brian Kingsbury is actually flying from , uh , the east coast on that  that morning.

So , i I  I will be  I mean , he 's taking a very early flight


Yeah , and they 'll end up here. So b and also Brian Kingsbury is actually flying from , uh , the east coast on that  that morning.

So , i I  I will be  I mean , he 's taking a very early flight


So , i I  I will be  I mean , he 's taking a very early flight

and we do have the time work difference running the right way , but I still think that there 's no way we could start before eleven. It might end up really being twelve. So when we get closer we 'll find people 's plane schedules , and let everybody know. Uh , So. That 's good.


So , i I  I will be  I mean , he 's taking a very early flight

and we do have the time work difference running the right way , but I still think that there 's no way we could start before eleven. It might end up really being twelve. So when we get closer we 'll find people 's plane schedules , and let everybody know. Uh , So. That 's good.

But , uh , yeah maybe an agenda , or at least some things to talk about would be a good idea.


and we do have the time work difference running the right way , but I still think that there 's no way we could start before eleven. It might end up really being twelve. So when we get closer we 'll find people 's plane schedules , and let everybody know. Uh , So. That 's good.

But , uh , yeah maybe an agenda , or at least some things to talk about would be a good idea.

Well we can start gathering those  those ideas , but then we  we should firm it up by next  next Thursday 's meeting.


and we do have the time work difference running the right way , but I still think that there 's no way we could start before eleven. It might end up really being twelve. So when we get closer we 'll find people 's plane schedules , and let everybody know. Uh , So. That 's good.

But , uh , yeah maybe an agenda , or at least some things to talk about would be a good idea.

Well we can start gathering those  those ideas , but then we  we should firm it up by next  next Thursday 's meeting.

Will we have time to , um , to prepare something that we  in the format we were planning for the IBM transcribers by then , or  ?


But , uh , yeah maybe an agenda , or at least some things to talk about would be a good idea.

Well we can start gathering those  those ideas , but then we  we should firm it up by next  next Thursday 's meeting.

Will we have time to , um , to prepare something that we  in the format we were planning for the IBM transcribers by then , or  ?


Well we can start gathering those  those ideas , but then we  we should firm it up by next  next Thursday 's meeting.

Will we have time to , um , to prepare something that we  in the format we were planning for the IBM transcribers by then , or  ?


Will we have time to , um , to prepare something that we  in the format we were planning for the IBM transcribers by then , or  ?

So have you heard back from Brian about that , Chuck ?


So have you heard back from Brian about that , Chuck ?

Yes , um , he 's  I  I 'm sorry , I should have forwarded that along. Uh ,  oh I  I think I mentioned at the last meeting , he said that , um , he talked to them and it was fine  with the beeps they would be  That 's easy for them to do.


So have you heard back from Brian about that , Chuck ?

Yes , um , he 's  I  I 'm sorry , I should have forwarded that along. Uh ,  oh I  I think I mentioned at the last meeting , he said that , um , he talked to them and it was fine  with the beeps they would be  That 's easy for them to do.

Great. OK. So , uh , oh , though Thi - Thilo isn't here , um , but , uh , I  I have the program to insert the beeps. What I don't have is something to parse the output of the channelized transcripts to find out where to put the beeps , but that should be really easy to do. So do we have a meeting that that 's been done with ,


Yes , um , he 's  I  I 'm sorry , I should have forwarded that along. Uh ,  oh I  I think I mentioned at the last meeting , he said that , um , he talked to them and it was fine  with the beeps they would be  That 's easy for them to do.

Great. OK. So , uh , oh , though Thi - Thilo isn't here , um , but , uh , I  I have the program to insert the beeps. What I don't have is something to parse the output of the channelized transcripts to find out where to put the beeps , but that should be really easy to do. So do we have a meeting that that 's been done with ,

that we 've tightened it up to the point where we can actually give it to IBM and have them try it out ?


Great. OK. So , uh , oh , though Thi - Thilo isn't here , um , but , uh , I  I have the program to insert the beeps. What I don't have is something to parse the output of the channelized transcripts to find out where to put the beeps , but that should be really easy to do. So do we have a meeting that that 's been done with ,

that we 've tightened it up to the point where we can actually give it to IBM and have them try it out ?

He generated , um , a channel - wise presegmented version of a meeting , but it was Robustness rather than EDU so I guess depends on whether we 're willing to use Robustness ?


that we 've tightened it up to the point where we can actually give it to IBM and have them try it out ?

He generated , um , a channel - wise presegmented version of a meeting , but it was Robustness rather than EDU so I guess depends on whether we 're willing to use Robustness ?

Well for this experiment I think we can use pre pretty much anything.


He generated , um , a channel - wise presegmented version of a meeting , but it was Robustness rather than EDU so I guess depends on whether we 're willing to use Robustness ?

Well for this experiment I think we can use pre pretty much anything.


Well for this experiment I think we can use pre pretty much anything.


Well we had  we had talked about doing maybe EDU as a good choice , though. Well ,  whatever we have.


Well we had  we had talked about doing maybe EDU as a good choice , though. Well ,  whatever we have.

Well we 've talked about that as being the next ones we wanted to transcribe.


Well we 've talked about that as being the next ones we wanted to transcribe.

But for the purpose of sending him a sample one to  f


But for the purpose of sending him a sample one to  f


I 'll  I 'll  I 'll , um , get  make that available.


I 'll  I 'll  I 'll , um , get  make that available.

Hand - checked ? Cuz that was one of the  processes we were talking about as well.


Hand - checked ? Cuz that was one of the  processes we were talking about as well.

Right , so we need to run Thilo 's thing on it ,


Hand - checked ? Cuz that was one of the  processes we were talking about as well.

Right , so we need to run Thilo 's thing on it ,

and then we go in and adjust the boundaries.


Right , so we need to run Thilo 's thing on it ,

and then we go in and adjust the boundaries.

Yeah that 's right. Yeah , we haven't done that. I  I could set someone on that tomorrow.


and then we go in and adjust the boundaries.

Yeah that 's right. Yeah , we haven't done that. I  I could set someone on that tomorrow.


Yeah that 's right. Yeah , we haven't done that. I  I could set someone on that tomorrow.


And we probably don't have to do necessarily a whole meeting for that if we just wanna send them a sample to try.


And we probably don't have to do necessarily a whole meeting for that if we just wanna send them a sample to try.

OK. What would be a good number of minutes ?


And we probably don't have to do necessarily a whole meeting for that if we just wanna send them a sample to try.

OK. What would be a good number of minutes ?

I don't know , maybe we can figure out how long it 'll take @ @ to  to do.


And we probably don't have to do necessarily a whole meeting for that if we just wanna send them a sample to try.

OK. What would be a good number of minutes ?

I don't know , maybe we can figure out how long it 'll take @ @ to  to do.

Um , I don't know , it seems to me w we probably should go ahead and do a whole meeting because we 'll have to transcribe the whole meeting anyway sometime.


OK. What would be a good number of minutes ?

I don't know , maybe we can figure out how long it 'll take @ @ to  to do.

Um , I don't know , it seems to me w we probably should go ahead and do a whole meeting because we 'll have to transcribe the whole meeting anyway sometime.

Yes except that if they had  if there was a choice between having fifteen minutes that was fully the way you wanted it , and having a whole meeting that didn't get at what you wanted for them  It 's just dependent of how much


I don't know , maybe we can figure out how long it 'll take @ @ to  to do.

Um , I don't know , it seems to me w we probably should go ahead and do a whole meeting because we 'll have to transcribe the whole meeting anyway sometime.

Yes except that if they had  if there was a choice between having fifteen minutes that was fully the way you wanted it , and having a whole meeting that didn't get at what you wanted for them  It 's just dependent of how much

Like I  I mean I guess if we have to do it again anyway , but , uh


Um , I don't know , it seems to me w we probably should go ahead and do a whole meeting because we 'll have to transcribe the whole meeting anyway sometime.

Yes except that if they had  if there was a choice between having fifteen minutes that was fully the way you wanted it , and having a whole meeting that didn't get at what you wanted for them  It 's just dependent of how much

Like I  I mean I guess if we have to do it again anyway , but , uh


Yes except that if they had  if there was a choice between having fifteen minutes that was fully the way you wanted it , and having a whole meeting that didn't get at what you wanted for them  It 's just dependent of how much

Like I  I mean I guess if we have to do it again anyway , but , uh

I guess , the only thing I 'm not sure about is , um , how quickly can the transcribers scan over and fix the boundaries ,


Like I  I mean I guess if we have to do it again anyway , but , uh

I guess , the only thing I 'm not sure about is , um , how quickly can the transcribers scan over and fix the boundaries ,


I guess , the only thing I 'm not sure about is , um , how quickly can the transcribers scan over and fix the boundaries ,


I guess , the only thing I 'm not sure about is , um , how quickly can the transcribers scan over and fix the boundaries ,

I think it 's gonna be one or two times real time at  Wow , excuse me , two or more times real time , right ? Cuz they have to at least listen to it.


I think it 's gonna be one or two times real time at  Wow , excuse me , two or more times real time , right ? Cuz they have to at least listen to it.

Can we pipeline it so that say there 's , uh , the transcriber gets done with a quarter of the meeting and then we  you run it through this other  other stuff ? Uh ,


I think it 's gonna be one or two times real time at  Wow , excuse me , two or more times real time , right ? Cuz they have to at least listen to it.

Can we pipeline it so that say there 's , uh , the transcriber gets done with a quarter of the meeting and then we  you run it through this other  other stuff ? Uh ,

Well the other stuff is I B I 'm just thinking that from a data  keeping - track - of - the - data point of view , it may be best to send them whole meetings at a time and not try to send them bits and pieces.


I think it 's gonna be one or two times real time at  Wow , excuse me , two or more times real time , right ? Cuz they have to at least listen to it.

Can we pipeline it so that say there 's , uh , the transcriber gets done with a quarter of the meeting and then we  you run it through this other  other stuff ? Uh ,

Well the other stuff is I B I 'm just thinking that from a data  keeping - track - of - the - data point of view , it may be best to send them whole meetings at a time and not try to send them bits and pieces.

OK , so. Oh , that 's right. So the first thing is the automatic thing , and then it 's  then it 's  then it 's the transcribers tightening stuff up ,


Can we pipeline it so that say there 's , uh , the transcriber gets done with a quarter of the meeting and then we  you run it through this other  other stuff ? Uh ,

Well the other stuff is I B I 'm just thinking that from a data  keeping - track - of - the - data point of view , it may be best to send them whole meetings at a time and not try to send them bits and pieces.

OK , so. Oh , that 's right. So the first thing is the automatic thing , and then it 's  then it 's  then it 's the transcribers tightening stuff up ,


Well the other stuff is I B I 'm just thinking that from a data  keeping - track - of - the - data point of view , it may be best to send them whole meetings at a time and not try to send them bits and pieces.

OK , so. Oh , that 's right. So the first thing is the automatic thing , and then it 's  then it 's  then it 's the transcribers tightening stuff up ,


OK , so. Oh , that 's right. So the first thing is the automatic thing , and then it 's  then it 's  then it 's the transcribers tightening stuff up ,


OK , so you might as well ha run the automatic thing over the entire meeting , and then  and then , uh , you would give IBM whatever was fixed.


OK , so you might as well ha run the automatic thing over the entire meeting , and then  and then , uh , you would give IBM whatever was fixed.

And have them fix it over the entire meeting too ?


OK , so you might as well ha run the automatic thing over the entire meeting , and then  and then , uh , you would give IBM whatever was fixed.

And have them fix it over the entire meeting too ?

Well , yeah , but start from the beginning and go to the end , right ? So if they were only half way through then that 's what you 'd give IBM.


And have them fix it over the entire meeting too ?

Well , yeah , but start from the beginning and go to the end , right ? So if they were only half way through then that 's what you 'd give IBM.


Well , yeah , but start from the beginning and go to the end , right ? So if they were only half way through then that 's what you 'd give IBM.


Well , yeah , but start from the beginning and go to the end , right ? So if they were only half way through then that 's what you 'd give IBM.

As of what point ? I mean. The  I guess the question on my mind is do we wait for the transcribers to adjust the marks for the whole meeting before we give anything to IBM , or do we go ahead and send them a sample ? Let their


As of what point ? I mean. The  I guess the question on my mind is do we wait for the transcribers to adjust the marks for the whole meeting before we give anything to IBM , or do we go ahead and send them a sample ? Let their

Why wouldn't we s @ @ w i if they were going sequentially through it , why wouldn't we give them  I mean i are we trying to get something done by the time Brian comes ?


Why wouldn't we s @ @ w i if they were going sequentially through it , why wouldn't we give them  I mean i are we trying to get something done by the time Brian comes ?

So if we  if we were , then it seems like giving them something , whatever they had gotten up to , would be better than nothing.


So if we  if we were , then it seems like giving them something , whatever they had gotten up to , would be better than nothing.


So if we  if we were , then it seems like giving them something , whatever they had gotten up to , would be better than nothing.

Well , I don't think  I mean , h they  they typically work for what , four hours , something like that ?


Well , I don't think  I mean , h they  they typically work for what , four hours , something like that ?

I think the they should be able to get through a whole meeting in one sitting. I would think , unless it 's a lot harder than we think it is , which it could be , certainly.


Well , I don't think  I mean , h they  they typically work for what , four hours , something like that ?

I think the they should be able to get through a whole meeting in one sitting. I would think , unless it 's a lot harder than we think it is , which it could be , certainly.

If it 's got like for speakers then I guess  I mean if


I think the they should be able to get through a whole meeting in one sitting. I would think , unless it 's a lot harder than we think it is , which it could be , certainly.

If it 's got like for speakers then I guess  I mean if

We 're just doing the individual channels ,


If it 's got like for speakers then I guess  I mean if

We 're just doing the individual channels ,


We 're just doing the individual channels ,


So it 's gonna be , depending on the number of people in the meeting , um ,


So it 's gonna be , depending on the number of people in the meeting , um ,

I guess there is this issue of , you know , if  if the segmenter thought there was no speech on  on a particular stretch , on a particular channel ,


So it 's gonna be , depending on the number of people in the meeting , um ,

I guess there is this issue of , you know , if  if the segmenter thought there was no speech on  on a particular stretch , on a particular channel ,

and there really was , then , if it didn't show up in a mixed signal to verify , then it might be overlooked , so , I mean , the question is " should  should a transcriber listen to the entire thing or can it g can it be based on the mixed signal ? " And I th eh so far as I 'm concerned it 's fine to base it on the mixed signal at this point , and


I guess there is this issue of , you know , if  if the segmenter thought there was no speech on  on a particular stretch , on a particular channel ,

and there really was , then , if it didn't show up in a mixed signal to verify , then it might be overlooked , so , I mean , the question is " should  should a transcriber listen to the entire thing or can it g can it be based on the mixed signal ? " And I th eh so far as I 'm concerned it 's fine to base it on the mixed signal at this point , and

That 's what it seems to me too , in that if they need to , just like in the other cases , they can listen to the individual , if they need to.


and there really was , then , if it didn't show up in a mixed signal to verify , then it might be overlooked , so , I mean , the question is " should  should a transcriber listen to the entire thing or can it g can it be based on the mixed signal ? " And I th eh so far as I 'm concerned it 's fine to base it on the mixed signal at this point , and

That 's what it seems to me too , in that if they need to , just like in the other cases , they can listen to the individual , if they need to.


That 's what it seems to me too , in that if they need to , just like in the other cases , they can listen to the individual , if they need to.

Yeah , that 's good. So. Yeah. Good , good , good.


Yeah , that 's good. So. Yeah. Good , good , good.

I don't see how that will work , though.


Yeah , that 's good. So. Yeah. Good , good , good.

I don't see how that will work , though.

So you 're talking about tightening up time boundaries ?


I don't see how that will work , though.

So you 're talking about tightening up time boundaries ?


So you 're talking about tightening up time boundaries ?


So you 're talking about tightening up time boundaries ?

So , they have the normal channeltrans interface where they have each individual speaker has their own line ,


So , they have the normal channeltrans interface where they have each individual speaker has their own line ,


So , they have the normal channeltrans interface where they have each individual speaker has their own line ,

but you 're listening to the mixed signal and you 're tightening the boundaries , correcting the boundaries. You shouldn't have to tighten them too much because Thilo 's program does that.


but you 're listening to the mixed signal and you 're tightening the boundaries , correcting the boundaries. You shouldn't have to tighten them too much because Thilo 's program does that.

Except for  it doesn't do well on short things , remember.


Except for  it doesn't do well on short things , remember.

It will miss them. It will miss most of the really short things.


It will miss them. It will miss most of the really short things.


Yeah , you have to say " uh - huh " more slowly to  to get c


Well , so  so that 's something that the transcribers will have to  have to do.


Well , so  so that 's something that the transcribers will have to  have to do.

Yeah , but presumably , most of those they should be able to hear from the mixed signal unless they 're embedded in the heavil heavy overlap section when  in which case they 'd be listening to the channels anyway.


Well , so  so that 's something that the transcribers will have to  have to do.

Yeah , but presumably , most of those they should be able to hear from the mixed signal unless they 're embedded in the heavil heavy overlap section when  in which case they 'd be listening to the channels anyway.

That 's  that 's what I 'm  I 'm concerned about the part.


Well , so  so that 's something that the transcribers will have to  have to do.

Yeah , but presumably , most of those they should be able to hear from the mixed signal unless they 're embedded in the heavil heavy overlap section when  in which case they 'd be listening to the channels anyway.

That 's  that 's what I 'm  I 'm concerned about the part.

Right , and that 's what I 'm not sure about.


Yeah , but presumably , most of those they should be able to hear from the mixed signal unless they 're embedded in the heavil heavy overlap section when  in which case they 'd be listening to the channels anyway.

That 's  that 's what I 'm  I 'm concerned about the part.

Right , and that 's what I 'm not sure about.

Yeah , I am too. And I think it 's an empirical question.


That 's  that 's what I 'm  I 'm concerned about the part.

Right , and that 's what I 'm not sure about.

Yeah , I am too. And I think it 's an empirical question.

Can't we  uh couldn't we just have , um , I don't know , maybe this just doesn't fit with the software , but I guess if I didn't know anything about Transcriber and I was gonna make something to let them adjust boundaries , I would just show them one channel at a time , with the marks , and let them adju


Right , and that 's what I 'm not sure about.

Yeah , I am too. And I think it 's an empirical question.

Can't we  uh couldn't we just have , um , I don't know , maybe this just doesn't fit with the software , but I guess if I didn't know anything about Transcriber and I was gonna make something to let them adjust boundaries , I would just show them one channel at a time , with the marks , and let them adju


Yeah , I am too. And I think it 's an empirical question.

Can't we  uh couldn't we just have , um , I don't know , maybe this just doesn't fit with the software , but I guess if I didn't know anything about Transcriber and I was gonna make something to let them adjust boundaries , I would just show them one channel at a time , with the marks , and let them adju

Well , but then they have to do  but then they  for this meeting they would have to do seven times real time , and it would probably be more than that.


Can't we  uh couldn't we just have , um , I don't know , maybe this just doesn't fit with the software , but I guess if I didn't know anything about Transcriber and I was gonna make something to let them adjust boundaries , I would just show them one channel at a time , with the marks , and let them adju

Well , but then they have to do  but then they  for this meeting they would have to do seven times real time , and it would probably be more than that.


Well , but then they have to do  but then they  for this meeting they would have to do seven times real time , and it would probably be more than that.

Right ? Because they 'd have to at least listen to each channel all the way through.


Right ? Because they 'd have to at least listen to each channel all the way through.


right ? I mean , you scan  I mean , if you have a display of the waveform.


right ? I mean , you scan  I mean , if you have a display of the waveform.

w Well , the other problem is the breaths


w Well , the other problem is the breaths


w Well , the other problem is the breaths

cuz you also see the breaths on the waveform. I 've  I 've looked at the int uh , s I 've tried to do that with a single channel , and  and you do see all sorts of other stuff besides just the voice.


cuz you also see the breaths on the waveform. I 've  I 've looked at the int uh , s I 've tried to do that with a single channel , and  and you do see all sorts of other stuff besides just the voice.

Yeah , and I  I think that they 're going much more on acoustics than they are on visuals.


Yeah , and I  I think that they 're going much more on acoustics than they are on visuals.


Yeah , and I  I think that they 're going much more on acoustics than they are on visuals.

What you  the digital  what the digital task that you had your interface ? Um , I know for a fact that one of those  sh she could really well  she could judge what th what the number was based on the  on the waveform.


What you  the digital  what the digital task that you had your interface ? Um , I know for a fact that one of those  sh she could really well  she could judge what th what the number was based on the  on the waveform.

Yeah , that 's actually true. Yeah , you 're right. You 're absolutely right. Yeah , I found the same thing that when I was scanning through the wave form  I could see when someone started to read digits just by the shapes.


What you  the digital  what the digital task that you had your interface ? Um , I know for a fact that one of those  sh she could really well  she could judge what th what the number was based on the  on the waveform.

Yeah , that 's actually true. Yeah , you 're right. You 're absolutely right. Yeah , I found the same thing that when I was scanning through the wave form  I could see when someone started to read digits just by the shapes.

Yeah , she could tell which one was seven.


Yeah , that 's actually true. Yeah , you 're right. You 're absolutely right. Yeah , I found the same thing that when I was scanning through the wave form  I could see when someone started to read digits just by the shapes.

Yeah , she could tell which one was seven.


Yeah , she could tell which one was seven.

So I don't  I 'm  I 'm now entirely confused about what they do.


So I don't  I 'm  I 'm now entirely confused about what they do.


So I don't  I 'm  I 'm now entirely confused about what they do.

So , they 're  they 're looking at a mixed signal , or they 're looking  what  what are they looking at visually ?


So I don't  I 'm  I 'm now entirely confused about what they do.

So , they 're  they 're looking at a mixed signal , or they 're looking  what  what are they looking at visually ?

Well , they have a choice. They could choose any signal to look at. I 've tried lookin but usually they look at the mixed. But I 've  I 've tried looking at the single signal and  and in order to judge when it  when it was speech and when it wasn't ,


So , they 're  they 're looking at a mixed signal , or they 're looking  what  what are they looking at visually ?

Well , they have a choice. They could choose any signal to look at. I 've tried lookin but usually they look at the mixed. But I 've  I 've tried looking at the single signal and  and in order to judge when it  when it was speech and when it wasn't ,


So , they 're  they 're looking at a mixed signal , or they 're looking  what  what are they looking at visually ?

Well , they have a choice. They could choose any signal to look at. I 've tried lookin but usually they look at the mixed. But I 've  I 've tried looking at the single signal and  and in order to judge when it  when it was speech and when it wasn't ,

but the problem is then you have breaths which  which show up on the signal.


Well , they have a choice. They could choose any signal to look at. I 've tried lookin but usually they look at the mixed. But I 've  I 've tried looking at the single signal and  and in order to judge when it  when it was speech and when it wasn't ,

but the problem is then you have breaths which  which show up on the signal.

But the procedure that you 're imagining , I mean , people vary from this , is that they have the mixed signal wave form in front of them ,


but the problem is then you have breaths which  which show up on the signal.

But the procedure that you 're imagining , I mean , people vary from this , is that they have the mixed signal wave form in front of them ,


But the procedure that you 're imagining , I mean , people vary from this , is that they have the mixed signal wave form in front of them ,

and they have multiple , uh , well , let 's see , there isn't  we don't have transcription yet. So  but there 's markers of some sort that have been happening automatically ,


and they have multiple , uh , well , let 's see , there isn't  we don't have transcription yet. So  but there 's markers of some sort that have been happening automatically ,


they show up on the separate ribbons. So you have a separate ribbon for each channel ,


they show up on the separate ribbons. So you have a separate ribbon for each channel ,

and  and i i it 'll be  because it 's being segmented as channel at a time with his  with Thilo 's new procedure , then you don't have the correspondence of the times across the bins  uh across the ribbons uh you could have


and  and i i it 'll be  because it 's being segmented as channel at a time with his  with Thilo 's new procedure , then you don't have the correspondence of the times across the bins  uh across the ribbons uh you could have

And is there a line moving across the waveform as it goes ?


And is there a line moving across the waveform as it goes ?

OK , so The way you 're imaging is they kind of play it , and they see oh this happened , then this happened , then  and if it 's about right , they just sort of let it slide ,


OK , so The way you 're imaging is they kind of play it , and they see oh this happened , then this happened , then  and if it 's about right , they just sort of let it slide ,


OK , so The way you 're imaging is they kind of play it , and they see oh this happened , then this happened , then  and if it 's about right , they just sort of let it slide ,

and if it  if it  there 's a question on something , they stop and maybe look at the individual wave form.


and if it  if it  there 's a question on something , they stop and maybe look at the individual wave form.


and if it  if it  there 's a question on something , they stop and maybe look at the individual wave form.

Right. Well , they wouldn't look at it  at this point. They would just listen.


Right. Well , they wouldn't look at it  at this point. They would just listen.

Well , the problem is that the  the interface doesn't really allow you to switch visuals.


Well , the problem is that the  the interface doesn't really allow you to switch visuals.

The problem is that  that  the Tcl - TK interface with the visuals , it 's very slow to load waveforms.


The problem is that  that  the Tcl - TK interface with the visuals , it 's very slow to load waveforms.


The problem is that  that  the Tcl - TK interface with the visuals , it 's very slow to load waveforms.

And so when I tried  that  that was the first thing I tried when I first started it ,


And so when I tried  that  that was the first thing I tried when I first started it ,

Oh , oh. Visually. You can  you can switch quickly between the audio ,


And so when I tried  that  that was the first thing I tried when I first started it ,

Oh , oh. Visually. You can  you can switch quickly between the audio ,

but you just can't get the visual display to show quickly. So you have to  It takes , I don't know , three , four minutes to  Well , I mean , it takes  it takes long enough


Oh , oh. Visually. You can  you can switch quickly between the audio ,

but you just can't get the visual display to show quickly. So you have to  It takes , I don't know , three , four minutes to  Well , I mean , it takes  it takes long enough


but you just can't get the visual display to show quickly. So you have to  It takes , I don't know , three , four minutes to  Well , I mean , it takes  it takes long enough

It takes long enough cuz it has to reload the I  I don't know exactly what it 's doing frankly cuz  but it t it takes long enough that it 's just not a practical alternative.


It takes long enough cuz it has to reload the I  I don't know exactly what it 's doing frankly cuz  but it t it takes long enough that it 's just not a practical alternative.

Well it  it does some sort of shape pre - computation so that it can then scroll it quickly ,


Well it  it does some sort of shape pre - computation so that it can then scroll it quickly ,


Well it  it does some sort of shape pre - computation so that it can then scroll it quickly ,

yeah. But then you can't change the resolution or scroll quickly.


yeah. But then you can't change the resolution or scroll quickly.


yeah. But then you can't change the resolution or scroll quickly.

Now you could set up multiple windows , each one with a different signal showing , and then look between the windows.


Now you could set up multiple windows , each one with a different signal showing , and then look between the windows.


I mean , we  we could do different interfaces ,


I mean , we  we could do different interfaces ,

right ? I mean , so  so we could use like X Waves instead of Transcriber ,


right ? I mean , so  so we could use like X Waves instead of Transcriber ,


right ? I mean , so  so we could use like X Waves instead of Transcriber ,

What if you were to preload all the channels or  or initially


What if you were to preload all the channels or  or initially


What if you were to preload all the channels or  or initially

So I  I actually before , uh , Dave Gelbart did this , I did an interface which showed each waveform and ea a ribbon for each waveform ,


So I  I actually before , uh , Dave Gelbart did this , I did an interface which showed each waveform and ea a ribbon for each waveform ,


So I  I actually before , uh , Dave Gelbart did this , I did an interface which showed each waveform and ea a ribbon for each waveform ,

but the problem with it is even with just three waveforms it was just painfully slow to scroll. So you just scroll a screen and it would , you know go " kur - chunk ! "


but the problem with it is even with just three waveforms it was just painfully slow to scroll. So you just scroll a screen and it would , you know go " kur - chunk ! "


but the problem with it is even with just three waveforms it was just painfully slow to scroll. So you just scroll a screen and it would , you know go " kur - chunk ! "

And so it just was not doable with the current interface.


And so it just was not doable with the current interface.

You know , I am thinking if we have a meeting with only four speakers and , you know , you could fire up a Transcriber interface for , y you know , in different windows , multiple ones , one for each channel. And it 's sort of a  a hack but I mean it would be one way of seeing the visual form.


And so it just was not doable with the current interface.

You know , I am thinking if we have a meeting with only four speakers and , you know , you could fire up a Transcriber interface for , y you know , in different windows , multiple ones , one for each channel. And it 's sort of a  a hack but I mean it would be one way of seeing the visual form.

I think that if we decide that we need  that they need to see the visuals , we need to change the interface so that they can do that.


You know , I am thinking if we have a meeting with only four speakers and , you know , you could fire up a Transcriber interface for , y you know , in different windows , multiple ones , one for each channel. And it 's sort of a  a hack but I mean it would be one way of seeing the visual form.

I think that if we decide that we need  that they need to see the visuals , we need to change the interface so that they can do that.


I think that if we decide that we need  that they need to see the visuals , we need to change the interface so that they can do that.

That 's actually what I thought of , loading the chopped up waveforms , I mean , you know , that  that would make it faster


That 's actually what I thought of , loading the chopped up waveforms , I mean , you know , that  that would make it faster


The problem is if  if anything 's cut off , you can't expand it from the chopped up


And wouldn't that be the same  as the mixed signal ?


And wouldn't that be the same  as the mixed signal ?

No , I mean the individual channels that were chopped up that  it 'd be nice to be able to go back and forth between those short segments.


And wouldn't that be the same  as the mixed signal ?

No , I mean the individual channels that were chopped up that  it 'd be nice to be able to go back and forth between those short segments.

Cuz you don't really nee like nine tenths of the time you 're throwing most of them out , but what you need are tho that particular channel , or that particular location ,


No , I mean the individual channels that were chopped up that  it 'd be nice to be able to go back and forth between those short segments.

Cuz you don't really nee like nine tenths of the time you 're throwing most of them out , but what you need are tho that particular channel , or that particular location ,


Cuz you don't really nee like nine tenths of the time you 're throwing most of them out , but what you need are tho that particular channel , or that particular location ,


um , might be nice , cuz we save those out already ,  um , to be able to do that. But it won't work for IBM of course , it only works here cuz they 're not saving out the individual channels.


um , might be nice , cuz we save those out already ,  um , to be able to do that. But it won't work for IBM of course , it only works here cuz they 're not saving out the individual channels.

Well , I  I do think that this  this will be a doable procedure ,


Well , I  I do think that this  this will be a doable procedure ,


and , um , then when they get into overlaps , just have them systematically check all the channels to be sure that there isn't something hidden from  from audio view.


and , um , then when they get into overlaps , just have them systematically check all the channels to be sure that there isn't something hidden from  from audio view.

Yeah. Yeah , hopefully , I mean  The mixed signal , the overlaps are pretty audible because it is volume equalized. So I think they should be able to hear. The only problem is  is , you know , counting how many and if they 're really correct or not. So , I don't know.


and , um , then when they get into overlaps , just have them systematically check all the channels to be sure that there isn't something hidden from  from audio view.

Yeah. Yeah , hopefully , I mean  The mixed signal , the overlaps are pretty audible because it is volume equalized. So I think they should be able to hear. The only problem is  is , you know , counting how many and if they 're really correct or not. So , I don't know.

I don't know that you can locate them very well from the mixed signal ,


and , um , then when they get into overlaps , just have them systematically check all the channels to be sure that there isn't something hidden from  from audio view.

Yeah. Yeah , hopefully , I mean  The mixed signal , the overlaps are pretty audible because it is volume equalized. So I think they should be able to hear. The only problem is  is , you know , counting how many and if they 're really correct or not. So , I don't know.

I don't know that you can locate them very well from the mixed signal ,

Right but  but once  once you know that they happen , you can at least listen to the close talking ,


Yeah. Yeah , hopefully , I mean  The mixed signal , the overlaps are pretty audible because it is volume equalized. So I think they should be able to hear. The only problem is  is , you know , counting how many and if they 're really correct or not. So , I don't know.

I don't know that you can locate them very well from the mixed signal ,

Right but  but once  once you know that they happen , you can at least listen to the close talking ,

but you would know that they were there , and then you would switch. Right. And then you would switch into the other


I don't know that you can locate them very well from the mixed signal ,

Right but  but once  once you know that they happen , you can at least listen to the close talking ,

but you would know that they were there , and then you would switch. Right. And then you would switch into the other


Right but  but once  once you know that they happen , you can at least listen to the close talking ,

but you would know that they were there , and then you would switch. Right. And then you would switch into the other

But right now , to do this limitation , the switching is going to be switching of the audio ? Is what she 's saying.


but you would know that they were there , and then you would switch. Right. And then you would switch into the other

But right now , to do this limitation , the switching is going to be switching of the audio ? Is what she 's saying.


But right now , to do this limitation , the switching is going to be switching of the audio ? Is what she 's saying.


so they 're using their ears to do these markings anyway.


so they 're using their ears to do these markings anyway.

did Dave  Did Dave do that change where you can actually just click rather than having to go up to the menu to listen to the individual channels ?


did Dave  Did Dave do that change where you can actually just click rather than having to go up to the menu to listen to the individual channels ?


I had suggested it before. I just don't know whether he did it or not.


I had suggested it before. I just don't know whether he did it or not.

I 'm not sure what  click what  click on the ribbon ? Yeah , you can get that


I had suggested it before. I just don't know whether he did it or not.

I 'm not sure what  click what  click on the ribbon ? Yeah , you can get that

oh , oh , get  you can get the , uh  you can get it to switch audio ? Uh , not last I tried ,


I 'm not sure what  click what  click on the ribbon ? Yeah , you can get that

oh , oh , get  you can get the , uh  you can get it to switch audio ? Uh , not last I tried ,


oh , oh , get  you can get the , uh  you can get it to switch audio ? Uh , not last I tried ,

but , um , maybe he 's changed it again.


oh , oh , get  you can get the , uh  you can get it to switch audio ? Uh , not last I tried ,

but , um , maybe he 's changed it again.

We should get him to do that because , uh , I think that would be much , much faster than going to the menu.


but , um , maybe he 's changed it again.

We should get him to do that because , uh , I think that would be much , much faster than going to the menu.

I disagree. There 's a reason I disagree , and that is that , uh , you  it 's very good to have a dissociation between the visual and the audio. There 're times when I wanna hear the mixed signal , bu but I want to transcribe on the single channel. So right now


but , um , maybe he 's changed it again.

We should get him to do that because , uh , I think that would be much , much faster than going to the menu.

I disagree. There 's a reason I disagree , and that is that , uh , you  it 's very good to have a dissociation between the visual and the audio. There 're times when I wanna hear the mixed signal , bu but I want to transcribe on the single channel. So right now

Then maybe just buttons down at the bottom next to it.


We should get him to do that because , uh , I think that would be much , much faster than going to the menu.

I disagree. There 's a reason I disagree , and that is that , uh , you  it 's very good to have a dissociation between the visual and the audio. There 're times when I wanna hear the mixed signal , bu but I want to transcribe on the single channel. So right now

Then maybe just buttons down at the bottom next to it.

Maybe , I just don't  I don't see that it 's a


I disagree. There 's a reason I disagree , and that is that , uh , you  it 's very good to have a dissociation between the visual and the audio. There 're times when I wanna hear the mixed signal , bu but I want to transcribe on the single channel. So right now

Then maybe just buttons down at the bottom next to it.

Maybe , I just don't  I don't see that it 's a

Just something so that it 's not in the menu option so that you can do it much faster.


Then maybe just buttons down at the bottom next to it.

Maybe , I just don't  I don't see that it 's a

Just something so that it 's not in the menu option so that you can do it much faster.

Well , I mean , that 's the i I  I think that might be a personal style thing. I find it really convenient the way  the way it 's set up right now.


Maybe , I just don't  I don't see that it 's a

Just something so that it 's not in the menu option so that you can do it much faster.

Well , I mean , that 's the i I  I think that might be a personal style thing. I find it really convenient the way  the way it 's set up right now.

Well it just seems to me that if you wanna quickly  " well was that Jane , no , was that Chuck , no , was that Morgan " , right now , you have to go up to the menu , and each time , go up to the menu , select it , listen to that channel then click below , and then go back to the menu , select the next one , and then click below.


Just something so that it 's not in the menu option so that you can do it much faster.

Well , I mean , that 's the i I  I think that might be a personal style thing. I find it really convenient the way  the way it 's set up right now.

Well it just seems to me that if you wanna quickly  " well was that Jane , no , was that Chuck , no , was that Morgan " , right now , you have to go up to the menu , and each time , go up to the menu , select it , listen to that channel then click below , and then go back to the menu , select the next one , and then click below.


Well , I mean , that 's the i I  I think that might be a personal style thing. I find it really convenient the way  the way it 's set up right now.

Well it just seems to me that if you wanna quickly  " well was that Jane , no , was that Chuck , no , was that Morgan " , right now , you have to go up to the menu , and each time , go up to the menu , select it , listen to that channel then click below , and then go back to the menu , select the next one , and then click below.

So you can definitely streamline that with the i with the interface.


Well it just seems to me that if you wanna quickly  " well was that Jane , no , was that Chuck , no , was that Morgan " , right now , you have to go up to the menu , and each time , go up to the menu , select it , listen to that channel then click below , and then go back to the menu , select the next one , and then click below.

So you can definitely streamline that with the i with the interface.

Yeah , it could be faster , but , you know , I mean , th in the ideal world  Yeah.


So you can definitely streamline that with the i with the interface.

Yeah , it could be faster , but , you know , I mean , th in the ideal world  Yeah.


So you can definitely streamline that with the i with the interface.

Yeah , it could be faster , but , you know , I mean , th in the ideal world  Yeah.

No I  I agree that 'd be nice. Yeah. OK.


Yeah , it could be faster , but , you know , I mean , th in the ideal world  Yeah.

No I  I agree that 'd be nice. Yeah. OK.


No I  I agree that 'd be nice. Yeah. OK.

So , um , Done with that ?  Does any  I forget , does anybody , uh , working on any  any Eurospeech submission related to this ?


No I  I agree that 'd be nice. Yeah. OK.

So , um , Done with that ?  Does any  I forget , does anybody , uh , working on any  any Eurospeech submission related to this ?

I would like to try to do something on digits but I just don't know if we have time. I mean , it 's due next Friday so we have to do the experiments and write the paper. So , I 'm gonna try , but , uh , we 'll just have to see. So actually I wanna get together with both Andreas and , uh , uh , Stephane with their respective systems.


So , um , Done with that ?  Does any  I forget , does anybody , uh , working on any  any Eurospeech submission related to this ?

I would like to try to do something on digits but I just don't know if we have time. I mean , it 's due next Friday so we have to do the experiments and write the paper. So , I 'm gonna try , but , uh , we 'll just have to see. So actually I wanna get together with both Andreas and , uh , uh , Stephane with their respective systems.

Yeah. Yeah there was that  we that 's right , we had that one conversation about , uh , what  what  what did it mean for , uh , one of those speakers to be pathological , was it a


So , um , Done with that ?  Does any  I forget , does anybody , uh , working on any  any Eurospeech submission related to this ?

I would like to try to do something on digits but I just don't know if we have time. I mean , it 's due next Friday so we have to do the experiments and write the paper. So , I 'm gonna try , but , uh , we 'll just have to see. So actually I wanna get together with both Andreas and , uh , uh , Stephane with their respective systems.

Yeah. Yeah there was that  we that 's right , we had that one conversation about , uh , what  what  what did it mean for , uh , one of those speakers to be pathological , was it a

Right , and I haven't had s chance to sit down and listen.


I would like to try to do something on digits but I just don't know if we have time. I mean , it 's due next Friday so we have to do the experiments and write the paper. So , I 'm gonna try , but , uh , we 'll just have to see. So actually I wanna get together with both Andreas and , uh , uh , Stephane with their respective systems.

Yeah. Yeah there was that  we that 's right , we had that one conversation about , uh , what  what  what did it mean for , uh , one of those speakers to be pathological , was it a

Right , and I haven't had s chance to sit down and listen.

Oh , I haven't  I haven't listened to them either ,


Yeah. Yeah there was that  we that 's right , we had that one conversation about , uh , what  what  what did it mean for , uh , one of those speakers to be pathological , was it a

Right , and I haven't had s chance to sit down and listen.

Oh , I haven't  I haven't listened to them either ,


Right , and I haven't had s chance to sit down and listen.

Oh , I haven't  I haven't listened to them either ,

but there must be something wrong , I mean ,


Oh , I haven't  I haven't listened to them either ,

but there must be something wrong , I mean ,

Well , Morgan and I were  were having a debate  about that.


but there must be something wrong , I mean ,

Well , Morgan and I were  were having a debate  about that.


but there must be something wrong , I mean ,

Well , Morgan and I were  were having a debate  about that.

Whereas I think it it 's probably something pathologic and actually Stephane 's results , I think confirm that. He s he did the Aurora system also got very lousy average error , like fifteen or  or , uh , fifteen to twenty percent average ? But then he ran it just on the lapel , and got about five or six percent word error ? So that  that means to me that somewhere in the other recordings there are some pathological cases. But , you know , we  th that may not be true. It may be just some of the segments they 're just doing a lousy job on. So I 'll  I 'll listen to it and find out since you 'd actually split it up by segment.


Well , Morgan and I were  were having a debate  about that.

Whereas I think it it 's probably something pathologic and actually Stephane 's results , I think confirm that. He s he did the Aurora system also got very lousy average error , like fifteen or  or , uh , fifteen to twenty percent average ? But then he ran it just on the lapel , and got about five or six percent word error ? So that  that means to me that somewhere in the other recordings there are some pathological cases. But , you know , we  th that may not be true. It may be just some of the segments they 're just doing a lousy job on. So I 'll  I 'll listen to it and find out since you 'd actually split it up by segment.


Whereas I think it it 's probably something pathologic and actually Stephane 's results , I think confirm that. He s he did the Aurora system also got very lousy average error , like fifteen or  or , uh , fifteen to twenty percent average ? But then he ran it just on the lapel , and got about five or six percent word error ? So that  that means to me that somewhere in the other recordings there are some pathological cases. But , you know , we  th that may not be true. It may be just some of the segments they 're just doing a lousy job on. So I 'll  I 'll listen to it and find out since you 'd actually split it up by segment.


Did you run the  Andreas  the r SRI recognizer on the digits ?


Did you run the  Andreas  the r SRI recognizer on the digits ?

Oh , I thought he had sent that around to everyone ,


Oh , I thought he had sent that around to everyone ,


Since I considered those preliminary , I didn't.


So if you  Yeah , it 's actually , um , it  uh  it was trimodal , actually


There 's zero , a little bit , and a lot.


There 's zero , a little bit , and a lot.

there were   t there was  there was one h one bump at ze around zero , which were the native speakers ,


there were   t there was  there was one h one bump at ze around zero , which were the native speakers ,


Then there was another bump at , um ,   oh , like fifteen or something.


Yeah. Those were the non - natives. And then there was another distinct bump at , like , a hundred ,  which must have been some problem.


Yeah. Those were the non - natives. And then there was another distinct bump at , like , a hundred ,  which must have been some problem.

What is patho what do you mean by pathological ?


What is patho what do you mean by pathological ?


And there was this one meeting , I forget which one it was , where like , uh , six out of the eight channels were all , like  had a hundred percent error.


And there was this one meeting , I forget which one it was , where like , uh , six out of the eight channels were all , like  had a hundred percent error.

Which probably means like there was a  th the recording interface crashed ,


Which probably means like there was a  th the recording interface crashed ,

or there was a short  you know , someone was jiggling with a cord


or there was a short  you know , someone was jiggling with a cord


it was transcribed incorrectly , something really bad happened , and I just haven't listened to it yet to find out what it was.


it was transcribed incorrectly , something really bad happened , and I just haven't listened to it yet to find out what it was.

So , if I excluded the pathological ones ,  by definition , those that had like over ninety - five percent error rate ,  and the non - natives , then the average error rate was like one point four or something ,


So , if I excluded the pathological ones ,  by definition , those that had like over ninety - five percent error rate ,  and the non - natives , then the average error rate was like one point four or something ,


So , if I excluded the pathological ones ,  by definition , those that had like over ninety - five percent error rate ,  and the non - natives , then the average error rate was like one point four or something ,

which  which seemed reasonable given that , you know , the models weren't tuned for   for it.


which  which seemed reasonable given that , you know , the models weren't tuned for   for it.


And it didn't matter whether it was the lapel or whether it was the


And it didn't matter whether it was the lapel or whether it was the

It was just a @ @. I haven't split it up that way ,


And it didn't matter whether it was the lapel or whether it was the

It was just a @ @. I haven't split it up that way ,

But there 's no overlap during the digit readings , so it shouldn't really matter.


It was just a @ @. I haven't split it up that way ,

But there 's no overlap during the digit readings , so it shouldn't really matter.


But there 's no overlap during the digit readings , so it shouldn't really matter.


and we haven't looked at it for digits ,


And so , cuz  because what he was  what I was saying when I looked at those things is it  it  I was almost gonna call it quadrimodal because   because there was a whole lot of cases where it was zero percent.


And so , cuz  because what he was  what I was saying when I looked at those things is it  it  I was almost gonna call it quadrimodal because   because there was a whole lot of cases where it was zero percent.

They just plain got it all right. And then there  and then there was another bunch that were couple percent or something.


And so , cuz  because what he was  what I was saying when I looked at those things is it  it  I was almost gonna call it quadrimodal because   because there was a whole lot of cases where it was zero percent.

They just plain got it all right. And then there  and then there was another bunch that were couple percent or something.

Yeah. But if you p if you actually histogrammed it , and  it was a nice  uh , you know , it  it was  zero was the most of them ,


They just plain got it all right. And then there  and then there was another bunch that were couple percent or something.

Yeah. But if you p if you actually histogrammed it , and  it was a nice  uh , you know , it  it was  zero was the most of them ,


Yeah. But if you p if you actually histogrammed it , and  it was a nice  uh , you know , it  it was  zero was the most of them ,

but then there were  the others were sort of decaying from there.


but then there were  the others were sort of decaying from there.


but then there were  the others were sort of decaying from there.

And then there was the bump for the non - natives and then the pathological ones ,


And then there was the bump for the non - natives and then the pathological ones ,


And then there was the bump for the non - natives and then the pathological ones ,

Yeah , cuz some of our non - natives are pretty non - native. So.


Yeah , cuz some of our non - natives are pretty non - native. So.

You  did you have , uh , something in the report about , uh ,  about , uh , for f uh , forced alignment ?


You  did you have , uh , something in the report about , uh ,  about , uh , for f uh , forced alignment ?

Oh , well , yeah , so I 've been struggling with the forced alignments. Um.   So the scheme that I drew on the board last time where we tried to , um  allow reject models for the s speech from other speakers , um ,   most of the time it doesn't work very well. So ,  um ,  and the  I haven't done  I mean , the only way to check this right now was for me to actually  load these into X Waves and , you know , plus the alignments , and s play them and see where the


Oh , well , yeah , so I 've been struggling with the forced alignments. Um.   So the scheme that I drew on the board last time where we tried to , um  allow reject models for the s speech from other speakers , um ,   most of the time it doesn't work very well. So ,  um ,  and the  I haven't done  I mean , the only way to check this right now was for me to actually  load these into X Waves and , you know , plus the alignments , and s play them and see where the


Oh , well , yeah , so I 've been struggling with the forced alignments. Um.   So the scheme that I drew on the board last time where we tried to , um  allow reject models for the s speech from other speakers , um ,   most of the time it doesn't work very well. So ,  um ,  and the  I haven't done  I mean , the only way to check this right now was for me to actually  load these into X Waves and , you know , plus the alignments , and s play them and see where the

And it looks  And so I looked at all of the utterances from you , Chuck , in that one conversation , I don't know which  You probably know which one I mean , it 's where you were on the lapel  and Morgan was sitting next to you and we can hear everything Morgan says.


And it looks  And so I looked at all of the utterances from you , Chuck , in that one conversation , I don't know which  You probably know which one I mean , it 's where you were on the lapel  and Morgan was sitting next to you and we can hear everything Morgan says.

But  and  and some of what you  I mean , you also appear quite a bit in that cross - talk. So ,  I actually went through all of those , there were I think fifty - five segments ,  um , in  in X Waves , and  and sort of did a crude check , and  more often than not , it  it gets it wrong. So there 's either the beginning , mostly the beginning word ,  where th you , um , you know , Chuck talks somewhere into the segment , but the first , um , word of what he says , often " I " but it 's very reduced " I , " that 's just aligned  to the beginning of someone else 's speech , uh in that segment , which is cross - talk. So ,  um ,  I 'm still tinkering with it , but it might well be that we can't get clean alignments out of this  out of those , uh ,  channels , so.