Certainly, in our consultation for the upcoming Act, we've generally heard, certainly from our further education colleges, that they've been quite content with the arrangements. No concerns about it, certainly from further education colleges.

There are differences in the systems of quality assurance as they've historically applied to FE and HE, but I understand that that has meant that, as FE colleges become more interested in HE, they've had to learn new ways, and that's taken a little bit of time. But, I'm not aware of any dissatisfaction.

Okay, which moves us on to this idea of having one quality assurance body or one quality assurance framework. Is that your intention and how will that work in practice?

I am aware, and we've listened to stakeholders' concerns regarding proposals to introduce a single quality assessment body. As I said, we recognise that stakeholders are broadly content with the current situation with regard to Estyn and QAA. So, we've been listening to that, following the technical consultation, and policy officials are working through options in regard to ensuring what quality assurance will look like in the commission. As I said, I don't want to pre-empt bringing forward the legislation, but the principles underlying any assurance regime would need to be coherent, need to be effective and need to be comprehensive. What we're also very clear about, and I think it is important to say, is that any quality framework covering higher education will be compatible with ENQA, which I think is really, really important going forward. And by an extension of that, it would be compatible with current UK-wide baseline standards. So, we don't want to create specific problems for the HE sector in Wales.


There are differences in the systems of quality assurance as they've historically applied to FE and HE, but I understand that that has meant that, as FE colleges become more interested in HE, they've had to learn new ways, and that's taken a little bit of time. But, I'm not aware of any dissatisfaction.

Okay, which moves us on to this idea of having one quality assurance body or one quality assurance framework. Is that your intention and how will that work in practice?

I am aware, and we've listened to stakeholders' concerns regarding proposals to introduce a single quality assessment body. As I said, we recognise that stakeholders are broadly content with the current situation with regard to Estyn and QAA. So, we've been listening to that, following the technical consultation, and policy officials are working through options in regard to ensuring what quality assurance will look like in the commission. As I said, I don't want to pre-empt bringing forward the legislation, but the principles underlying any assurance regime would need to be coherent, need to be effective and need to be comprehensive. What we're also very clear about, and I think it is important to say, is that any quality framework covering higher education will be compatible with ENQA, which I think is really, really important going forward. And by an extension of that, it would be compatible with current UK-wide baseline standards. So, we don't want to create specific problems for the HE sector in Wales.

But, you have touched on this, there is substantial concern in the sector about this offer to move to one assurance body for the tertiary sector. One vice-chancellor has told us:


Okay, which moves us on to this idea of having one quality assurance body or one quality assurance framework. Is that your intention and how will that work in practice?

I am aware, and we've listened to stakeholders' concerns regarding proposals to introduce a single quality assessment body. As I said, we recognise that stakeholders are broadly content with the current situation with regard to Estyn and QAA. So, we've been listening to that, following the technical consultation, and policy officials are working through options in regard to ensuring what quality assurance will look like in the commission. As I said, I don't want to pre-empt bringing forward the legislation, but the principles underlying any assurance regime would need to be coherent, need to be effective and need to be comprehensive. What we're also very clear about, and I think it is important to say, is that any quality framework covering higher education will be compatible with ENQA, which I think is really, really important going forward. And by an extension of that, it would be compatible with current UK-wide baseline standards. So, we don't want to create specific problems for the HE sector in Wales.

But, you have touched on this, there is substantial concern in the sector about this offer to move to one assurance body for the tertiary sector. One vice-chancellor has told us:

Well, sometimes, I think it is necessary, maybe, to cause a stir. If we don't change things, it does beg the point of, 'Why are any of us here if we're not here to sometimes move things forward?' And change is challenging always, but I would like to reassure all of our vice-chancellors and our sector as a whole that we're not going to do anything in the quality assurance regime that would risk what is the very high reputation and standards that Welsh universities currently comply with or would set them apart from institutions across the border or in a European context. Huw.


I am aware, and we've listened to stakeholders' concerns regarding proposals to introduce a single quality assessment body. As I said, we recognise that stakeholders are broadly content with the current situation with regard to Estyn and QAA. So, we've been listening to that, following the technical consultation, and policy officials are working through options in regard to ensuring what quality assurance will look like in the commission. As I said, I don't want to pre-empt bringing forward the legislation, but the principles underlying any assurance regime would need to be coherent, need to be effective and need to be comprehensive. What we're also very clear about, and I think it is important to say, is that any quality framework covering higher education will be compatible with ENQA, which I think is really, really important going forward. And by an extension of that, it would be compatible with current UK-wide baseline standards. So, we don't want to create specific problems for the HE sector in Wales.

But, you have touched on this, there is substantial concern in the sector about this offer to move to one assurance body for the tertiary sector. One vice-chancellor has told us:

Well, sometimes, I think it is necessary, maybe, to cause a stir. If we don't change things, it does beg the point of, 'Why are any of us here if we're not here to sometimes move things forward?' And change is challenging always, but I would like to reassure all of our vice-chancellors and our sector as a whole that we're not going to do anything in the quality assurance regime that would risk what is the very high reputation and standards that Welsh universities currently comply with or would set them apart from institutions across the border or in a European context. Huw.

I agree, obviously. I think the fear is misplaced, but coming back to another theme in the conversation so far about futureproofing, what we're seeing in the figures that the Minister outlined to you earlier about the growth in postgraduate and the growth in part-time is the desire of a greater number of people at different ages to engage in higher and tertiary education, and quite often that will be in a workplace or it will be in a non-conventional institutional setting. Historically, the quality assurance regimes for work-based learning have tended to sit with Estyn; the assurance regimes for the universities have sat with the QAA. There's quite a lot of learning that all sides have got to engage in if we're going to be able to have continued high quality in these new areas that are being explored. That's an issue not just in Wales. The Augar report, which was published earlier this year in England, drew attention to this as being a major problem in the relationship over the border between Ofsted and the QAA. So, I think we're not looking to impose one institution on anybody, but we are looking to encourage greater synergy in the ways in which quality assurance and enhancement is undertaken in those different areas of activity.


But, you have touched on this, there is substantial concern in the sector about this offer to move to one assurance body for the tertiary sector. One vice-chancellor has told us:

Well, sometimes, I think it is necessary, maybe, to cause a stir. If we don't change things, it does beg the point of, 'Why are any of us here if we're not here to sometimes move things forward?' And change is challenging always, but I would like to reassure all of our vice-chancellors and our sector as a whole that we're not going to do anything in the quality assurance regime that would risk what is the very high reputation and standards that Welsh universities currently comply with or would set them apart from institutions across the border or in a European context. Huw.

I agree, obviously. I think the fear is misplaced, but coming back to another theme in the conversation so far about futureproofing, what we're seeing in the figures that the Minister outlined to you earlier about the growth in postgraduate and the growth in part-time is the desire of a greater number of people at different ages to engage in higher and tertiary education, and quite often that will be in a workplace or it will be in a non-conventional institutional setting. Historically, the quality assurance regimes for work-based learning have tended to sit with Estyn; the assurance regimes for the universities have sat with the QAA. There's quite a lot of learning that all sides have got to engage in if we're going to be able to have continued high quality in these new areas that are being explored. That's an issue not just in Wales. The Augar report, which was published earlier this year in England, drew attention to this as being a major problem in the relationship over the border between Ofsted and the QAA. So, I think we're not looking to impose one institution on anybody, but we are looking to encourage greater synergy in the ways in which quality assurance and enhancement is undertaken in those different areas of activity.

And finally, therefore, looking at overseas providers. Currently, of course, universities can award their degrees to students being taught by providers overseas. We know this created problems for the University of Wales in 2011. They faced a scandal; that's probably the best word to use there. Will the new Bill address these issues?


Well, sometimes, I think it is necessary, maybe, to cause a stir. If we don't change things, it does beg the point of, 'Why are any of us here if we're not here to sometimes move things forward?' And change is challenging always, but I would like to reassure all of our vice-chancellors and our sector as a whole that we're not going to do anything in the quality assurance regime that would risk what is the very high reputation and standards that Welsh universities currently comply with or would set them apart from institutions across the border or in a European context. Huw.

I agree, obviously. I think the fear is misplaced, but coming back to another theme in the conversation so far about futureproofing, what we're seeing in the figures that the Minister outlined to you earlier about the growth in postgraduate and the growth in part-time is the desire of a greater number of people at different ages to engage in higher and tertiary education, and quite often that will be in a workplace or it will be in a non-conventional institutional setting. Historically, the quality assurance regimes for work-based learning have tended to sit with Estyn; the assurance regimes for the universities have sat with the QAA. There's quite a lot of learning that all sides have got to engage in if we're going to be able to have continued high quality in these new areas that are being explored. That's an issue not just in Wales. The Augar report, which was published earlier this year in England, drew attention to this as being a major problem in the relationship over the border between Ofsted and the QAA. So, I think we're not looking to impose one institution on anybody, but we are looking to encourage greater synergy in the ways in which quality assurance and enhancement is undertaken in those different areas of activity.

And finally, therefore, looking at overseas providers. Currently, of course, universities can award their degrees to students being taught by providers overseas. We know this created problems for the University of Wales in 2011. They faced a scandal; that's probably the best word to use there. Will the new Bill address these issues?

Well, certainly transnational education does present real opportunities for Welsh institutions, but if not managed appropriately and regulated appropriately can cause real risks to reputation to our sector. When I meet with vice-chancellors in universities in different parts of the world, and when I am visiting different countries, one of the great things that I'm able to say is that we have a sector that provides fantastic quality of teaching, excellence in research and a wonderful student experience, and that is undermined if institutions find themselves undertaking TNE activities that put that at risk. So, it's an important consideration for the health of the whole sector that any TNE undertaken by a Welsh institution has the appropriate quality guarantees built into that because it's a problem not just for an individual institution, but it could undermine the very strong reputation that the Welsh sector has as a whole. Huw, was there anything further about TNE?


I agree, obviously. I think the fear is misplaced, but coming back to another theme in the conversation so far about futureproofing, what we're seeing in the figures that the Minister outlined to you earlier about the growth in postgraduate and the growth in part-time is the desire of a greater number of people at different ages to engage in higher and tertiary education, and quite often that will be in a workplace or it will be in a non-conventional institutional setting. Historically, the quality assurance regimes for work-based learning have tended to sit with Estyn; the assurance regimes for the universities have sat with the QAA. There's quite a lot of learning that all sides have got to engage in if we're going to be able to have continued high quality in these new areas that are being explored. That's an issue not just in Wales. The Augar report, which was published earlier this year in England, drew attention to this as being a major problem in the relationship over the border between Ofsted and the QAA. So, I think we're not looking to impose one institution on anybody, but we are looking to encourage greater synergy in the ways in which quality assurance and enhancement is undertaken in those different areas of activity.

And finally, therefore, looking at overseas providers. Currently, of course, universities can award their degrees to students being taught by providers overseas. We know this created problems for the University of Wales in 2011. They faced a scandal; that's probably the best word to use there. Will the new Bill address these issues?

Well, certainly transnational education does present real opportunities for Welsh institutions, but if not managed appropriately and regulated appropriately can cause real risks to reputation to our sector. When I meet with vice-chancellors in universities in different parts of the world, and when I am visiting different countries, one of the great things that I'm able to say is that we have a sector that provides fantastic quality of teaching, excellence in research and a wonderful student experience, and that is undermined if institutions find themselves undertaking TNE activities that put that at risk. So, it's an important consideration for the health of the whole sector that any TNE undertaken by a Welsh institution has the appropriate quality guarantees built into that because it's a problem not just for an individual institution, but it could undermine the very strong reputation that the Welsh sector has as a whole. Huw, was there anything further about TNE?

Well, just to say that we are live to that, as I know HEFCW and the QAA are. We've had conversations with both in the recent past. There is quality assurance of offshore activity through the QAA. When they visit institutions with their reviews they will look at a selection of those overseas activities and there are periodic thematic reviews of the activity in particular countries. I think we would hope and believe that HEFCW, in its conversations with the QAA, would be keeping that under review to minimise the risk and maximise the opportunities.


And finally, therefore, looking at overseas providers. Currently, of course, universities can award their degrees to students being taught by providers overseas. We know this created problems for the University of Wales in 2011. They faced a scandal; that's probably the best word to use there. Will the new Bill address these issues?

Well, certainly transnational education does present real opportunities for Welsh institutions, but if not managed appropriately and regulated appropriately can cause real risks to reputation to our sector. When I meet with vice-chancellors in universities in different parts of the world, and when I am visiting different countries, one of the great things that I'm able to say is that we have a sector that provides fantastic quality of teaching, excellence in research and a wonderful student experience, and that is undermined if institutions find themselves undertaking TNE activities that put that at risk. So, it's an important consideration for the health of the whole sector that any TNE undertaken by a Welsh institution has the appropriate quality guarantees built into that because it's a problem not just for an individual institution, but it could undermine the very strong reputation that the Welsh sector has as a whole. Huw, was there anything further about TNE?

Well, just to say that we are live to that, as I know HEFCW and the QAA are. We've had conversations with both in the recent past. There is quality assurance of offshore activity through the QAA. When they visit institutions with their reviews they will look at a selection of those overseas activities and there are periodic thematic reviews of the activity in particular countries. I think we would hope and believe that HEFCW, in its conversations with the QAA, would be keeping that under review to minimise the risk and maximise the opportunities.

So, you're not actually looking to use the new legislation to strengthen the regulation around this.


Well, certainly transnational education does present real opportunities for Welsh institutions, but if not managed appropriately and regulated appropriately can cause real risks to reputation to our sector. When I meet with vice-chancellors in universities in different parts of the world, and when I am visiting different countries, one of the great things that I'm able to say is that we have a sector that provides fantastic quality of teaching, excellence in research and a wonderful student experience, and that is undermined if institutions find themselves undertaking TNE activities that put that at risk. So, it's an important consideration for the health of the whole sector that any TNE undertaken by a Welsh institution has the appropriate quality guarantees built into that because it's a problem not just for an individual institution, but it could undermine the very strong reputation that the Welsh sector has as a whole. Huw, was there anything further about TNE?

Well, just to say that we are live to that, as I know HEFCW and the QAA are. We've had conversations with both in the recent past. There is quality assurance of offshore activity through the QAA. When they visit institutions with their reviews they will look at a selection of those overseas activities and there are periodic thematic reviews of the activity in particular countries. I think we would hope and believe that HEFCW, in its conversations with the QAA, would be keeping that under review to minimise the risk and maximise the opportunities.

So, you're not actually looking to use the new legislation to strengthen the regulation around this.

The arrangements at the moment are that HEFCW uses the QAA to do the reviews and the inspections. I don't think we're currently looking to mandate the detail of how that should happen. The system at the moment works through co-operation between the institutions and the regulator to make sure the quality assurance system is improving and enhancing things. I think we would look to that as a primary mechanism.


Well, just to say that we are live to that, as I know HEFCW and the QAA are. We've had conversations with both in the recent past. There is quality assurance of offshore activity through the QAA. When they visit institutions with their reviews they will look at a selection of those overseas activities and there are periodic thematic reviews of the activity in particular countries. I think we would hope and believe that HEFCW, in its conversations with the QAA, would be keeping that under review to minimise the risk and maximise the opportunities.

So, you're not actually looking to use the new legislation to strengthen the regulation around this.

The arrangements at the moment are that HEFCW uses the QAA to do the reviews and the inspections. I don't think we're currently looking to mandate the detail of how that should happen. The system at the moment works through co-operation between the institutions and the regulator to make sure the quality assurance system is improving and enhancing things. I think we would look to that as a primary mechanism.


Did you get my email with the slides ? Ah. Tricky.

I guess I have to change the pen otherwise. Will be completely different.

Dunno. Maybe they're supposed  the pen's supposed to go over the seats. Might be seat floor rather than person. Yeah , put it back.


I guess I have to change the pen otherwise. Will be completely different.

Dunno. Maybe they're supposed  the pen's supposed to go over the seats. Might be seat floor rather than person. Yeah , put it back.


Dunno. Maybe they're supposed  the pen's supposed to go over the seats. Might be seat floor rather than person. Yeah , put it back.


Probably an important man. Um. So well it is important for him to be here uh.


Yeah we will  yeah , so I will be able to to summarize uh our meeting ,


Yeah we will  yeah , so I will be able to to summarize uh our meeting ,

but still I think uh it would be in very important if the uh as um main designer. I think we can put on the  here.


but still I think uh it would be in very important if the uh as um main designer. I think we can put on the  here.

Uh basically w yeah we we designed the two uh items.


Uh basically w yeah we we designed the two uh items.


Yes , maybe we should phone him. Um well  Um ,


Yes , maybe we should phone him. Um well  Um ,

when he is not here we will just we just have to continue. Um so just for record I I will take uh notes again.


when he is not here we will just we just have to continue. Um so just for record I I will take uh notes again.


when he is not here we will just we just have to continue. Um so just for record I I will take uh notes again.

And um well  first thing uh I was uh uh I got an email from uh from my superior again that we really should stay within the budget of the uh twelve Euro and fifty cents.


And um well  first thing uh I was uh uh I got an email from uh from my superior again that we really should stay within the budget of the uh twelve Euro and fifty cents.


And um well  first thing uh I was uh uh I got an email from uh from my superior again that we really should stay within the budget of the uh twelve Euro and fifty cents.

when you stay in it's good , when you don't stay in you have to redesign. There is no  uh no negotiation uh  possible in this matter. So we have to consider that.  Good.


when you stay in it's good , when you don't stay in you have to redesign. There is no  uh no negotiation uh  possible in this matter. So we have to consider that.  Good.

Um so maybe Anna , you can have your presentation.


when you stay in it's good , when you don't stay in you have to redesign. There is no  uh no negotiation uh  possible in this matter. So we have to consider that.  Good.

Um so maybe Anna , you can have your presentation.

Well we can't  no  we can't do evaluation 'til we have a design.


Um so maybe Anna , you can have your presentation.

Well we can't  no  we can't do evaluation 'til we have a design.


Well we can't  no  we can't do evaluation 'til we have a design.

Great. Great. Oh ma maybe then you can start now with mm presenting your uh your designs.


Great. Great. Oh ma maybe then you can start now with mm presenting your uh your designs.

Yep. So I will start by the the basic one that uh fits into uh eight Euros actually , right , seven eight Euros ,


Great. Great. Oh ma maybe then you can start now with mm presenting your uh your designs.

Yep. So I will start by the the basic one that uh fits into uh eight Euros actually , right , seven eight Euros ,

and uh well first for both they have um a special shape , maybe the designer can uh explain better than me , but uh it's like a surf board.


Yep. So I will start by the the basic one that uh fits into uh eight Euros actually , right , seven eight Euros ,

and uh well first for both they have um a special shape , maybe the designer can uh explain better than me , but uh it's like a surf board.


and uh well first for both they have um a special shape , maybe the designer can uh explain better than me , but uh it's like a surf board.

And you you are supposed to surf to browse to surf T_V_ , maybe the web , and uh it's kind of interesting shape because um unconsciously people want to s to surf  when they see this stuff.


And you you are supposed to surf to browse to surf T_V_ , maybe the web , and uh it's kind of interesting shape because um unconsciously people want to s to surf  when they see this stuff.

And also it's not too far from um a mobile.


And also it's not too far from um a mobile.


And also it's not too far from um a mobile.

So people are used to that kind of shape ,


So people are used to that kind of shape ,


So people are used to that kind of shape ,

right. Don't take care too much about the colour because w yeah we don't take


right. Don't take care too much about the colour because w yeah we don't take

Now we are supposed to give some oper offers right now.


right. Don't take care too much about the colour because w yeah we don't take

Now we are supposed to give some oper offers right now.

yeah. So here would be basically the the the infrared uh uh led


Now we are supposed to give some oper offers right now.

yeah. So here would be basically the the the infrared uh uh led


yeah. So here would be basically the the the infrared uh uh led


Here would be the volume. On the on the left ,


easy to turn on t and off. And um so this is a very cheap version so there are  maybe you can carry on uh Matthew.


easy to turn on t and off. And um so this is a very cheap version so there are  maybe you can carry on uh Matthew.

Also  so you have uh uh browsing the channels , actually


easy to turn on t and off. And um so this is a very cheap version so there are  maybe you can carry on uh Matthew.

Also  so you have uh uh browsing the channels , actually

so you can go up and down the channels ,


Also  so you have uh uh browsing the channels , actually

so you can go up and down the channels ,


so you can go up and down the channels ,

uh , if you have a video or something you can forward , back.


so you can go up and down the channels ,

uh , if you have a video or something you can forward , back.

How can you change from V_C_R_ to uh T_V_ , by the way ?


uh , if you have a video or something you can forward , back.

How can you change from V_C_R_ to uh T_V_ , by the way ?

Oh  no no no , this is a single  this this is a model with just the T_V_ one.


How can you change from V_C_R_ to uh T_V_ , by the way ?

Oh  no no no , this is a single  this this is a model with just the T_V_ one.


Oh  no no no , this is a single  this this is a model with just the T_V_ one.

No no just sorry , this is a standard T_V_ one , we are not talking about that. So and then we have usually there twelve keys but we know that we rel that we have only ten digits.


No no just sorry , this is a standard T_V_ one , we are not talking about that. So and then we have usually there twelve keys but we know that we rel that we have only ten digits.


No no just sorry , this is a standard T_V_ one , we are not talking about that. So and then we have usually there twelve keys but we know that we rel that we have only ten digits.

The extra two are for uh having or giving an option for uh having more than one channel. And the other one is for the teletext or something you want to browse through from that. Actually.


The extra two are for uh having or giving an option for uh having more than one channel. And the other one is for the teletext or something you want to browse through from that. Actually.


it's it's t a very basic remote then , it's only


which you can  which is which is also available in the market , actually that's what it   that it   i


which you can  which is which is also available in the market , actually that's what it   that it   i

and would cost us to build it about eight Euros.


and would cost us to build it about eight Euros.


Exce except for the for the special shape , the surfing board , it has a quite a a conventional layout of buttons uh.


Thanks. Okay I like the volume control , that's good.


Thanks. Okay I like the volume control , that's good.

Th  this is a magic one but I know we don't want to talk about that ,


Thanks. Okay I like the volume control , that's good.

Th  this is a magic one but I know we don't want to talk about that ,

uh i i i it is a very futuristic , it's like uh it's like a brain machine interface and all this stuff we are thinking about in the future , it can come.


Th  this is a magic one but I know we don't want to talk about that ,

uh i i i it is a very futuristic , it's like uh it's like a brain machine interface and all this stuff we are thinking about in the future , it can come.


uh i i i it is a very futuristic , it's like uh it's like a brain machine interface and all this stuff we are thinking about in the future , it can come.


Yes it really feels like like like a mobile phone.


then the this is the  a more a little uh smooth


then the this is the  a more a little uh smooth

and it gives a lot of functionality , uh in this way , so all we have uh th you see there are only six keys , but don't worry they are ma they are doing the job of twelve keys actually here.


and it gives a lot of functionality , uh in this way , so all we have uh th you see there are only six keys , but don't worry they are ma they are doing the job of twelve keys actually here.


and uh it's easy to uh use this and uh you have um so this is a standard uh  uh infrared eye , and then you have a power button , which l volume , what you have ,


and uh it's easy to uh use this and uh you have um so this is a standard uh  uh infrared eye , and then you have a power button , which l volume , what you have ,

and then other than that you have uh channel up and down and uh f slow pause or s slow lo


and then other than that you have uh channel up and down and uh f slow pause or s slow lo

yeah s pause or stop , and uh then uh you can uh you have a L_C_D_ display , here


yeah s pause or stop , and uh then uh you can uh you have a L_C_D_ display , here

and uh y this is a functional thing which can change like it's a toggle switch which could change the function say , y you press it


yeah s pause or stop , and uh then uh you can uh you have a L_C_D_ display , here

and uh y this is a functional thing which can change like it's a toggle switch which could change the function say , y you press it

From D_V_D_ player to television or something.


and uh y this is a functional thing which can change like it's a toggle switch which could change the function say , y you press it

From D_V_D_ player to television or something.

Exactly yeah. To audio and to video on demand.


From D_V_D_ player to television or something.

Exactly yeah. To audio and to video on demand.


Exactly yeah. To audio and to video on demand.


Yes and and and then you get feedback via the L_C_D_ yeah.


Yes and and and then you get feedback via the L_C_D_ yeah.

The L_C_D_ can display what is that on that ,


The L_C_D_ can display what is that on that ,

and uh well you can have a integrated microphone over here ,


and uh well you can have a integrated microphone over here ,

This is the orange button , the  microphone.


This is the orange button , the  microphone.

so which can uh basically you want to do a speech recognition and uh that channel a lot of information can be di displayed here directly on the um on your on your display.


so which can uh basically you want to do a speech recognition and uh that channel a lot of information can be di displayed here directly on the um on your on your display.


so which can uh basically you want to do a speech recognition and uh that channel a lot of information can be di displayed here directly on the um on your on your display.

And here is a small L_E_D_ which is like blinking one ,


And here is a small L_E_D_ which is like blinking one ,

which tells you like uh are you running out of the battery , and which is can be useful for the locating as I was talking earlier


which tells you like uh are you running out of the battery , and which is can be useful for the locating as I was talking earlier


which tells you like uh are you running out of the battery , and which is can be useful for the locating as I was talking earlier

okay. And uh well then we have a cover basically , basically you don't need much of the time this ,


okay. And uh well then we have a cover basically , basically you don't need much of the time this ,


okay. And uh well then we have a cover basically , basically you don't need much of the time this ,

when you need you can use it , and this gives additional functionality that tomorrow you want you can add a tactile thing to this cover


when you need you can use it , and this gives additional functionality that tomorrow you want you can add a tactile thing to this cover


but but but but uh i in there uh when this is closed , will it also uh cover up the L_C_D_ screen ?


But but the L_C_D_ screen I mean is a very uh well an eye-attracting feature


But but the L_C_D_ screen I mean is a very uh well an eye-attracting feature

Actually when you are watching the T_V_ ,  when you are watching anything or listening to them , you hardly care about what is getting displayed here ,


Actually when you are watching the T_V_ ,  when you are watching anything or listening to them , you hardly care about what is getting displayed here ,


Actually when you are watching the T_V_ ,  when you are watching anything or listening to them , you hardly care about what is getting displayed here ,

you know , uh you want to uh  and this gives a protection to the L_C_D_ actually , giving a cover to that actually. Gives a protection


you know , uh you want to uh  and this gives a protection to the L_C_D_ actually , giving a cover to that actually. Gives a protection


you know , uh you want to uh  and this gives a protection to the L_C_D_ actually , giving a cover to that actually. Gives a protection

because when it falls down or something it it is it is is is it gives a protec


because when it falls down or something it it is it is is is it gives a protec


It's low weight. You have to see yeah yeah the the components we put inside is very low weight.


So the the cost is actually a bit more , it's uh  it's it's sixteen Francs.


But the the main point we we talk about that with our uh manufacturer. And they say basically that the S_R_ system would be uh something like three Francs per item


That's on top of the sixteen , or is it part of that ?


That's on top of the sixteen , or is it part of that ?

So that takes it down to thirteen Euros without the speech recognition.


So that takes it down to thirteen Euros without the speech recognition.


Well uh if you  we can have  if you have new more ideas we can add new more uh some more keys if you want to you know


Well uh if you  we can have  if you have new more ideas we can add new more uh some more keys if you want to you know

Well I think th th yeah we should  stick with uh a number of keys


Well I think th th yeah we should  stick with uh a number of keys


it it should not be cluttering up everything.


it it should not be cluttering up everything.

Ah that's for the  it's kind of a L_E_D_ for indicating your battery


Ah that's for the  it's kind of a L_E_D_ for indicating your battery


I like the shape of them , I do like the the size and the the shape.


I like the shape of them , I do like the the size and the the shape.

Be before ta talking about the money and what's possible and what is not possible , maybe Anna you can uh give our uh give us your um


Be before ta talking about the money and what's possible and what is not possible , maybe Anna you can uh give our uh give us your um

Mm-hmm. Okay. And maybe we run the evaluation on both of the products , both of these two.


Be before ta talking about the money and what's possible and what is not possible , maybe Anna you can uh give our uh give us your um

Mm-hmm. Okay. And maybe we run the evaluation on both of the products , both of these two.

Yes. Evalua evaluation and also the evaluation criteria , so what what is important to look at.


Be before ta talking about the money and what's possible and what is not possible , maybe Anna you can uh give our uh give us your um

Mm-hmm. Okay. And maybe we run the evaluation on both of the products , both of these two.

Yes. Evalua evaluation and also the evaluation criteria , so what what is important to look at.

Okay.  Basically this is what we've talked about already , um , from the marketing point of view.


Mm-hmm. Okay. And maybe we run the evaluation on both of the products , both of these two.

Yes. Evalua evaluation and also the evaluation criteria , so what what is important to look at.

Okay.  Basically this is what we've talked about already , um , from the marketing point of view.


Yes. Evalua evaluation and also the evaluation criteria , so what what is important to look at.

Okay.  Basically this is what we've talked about already , um , from the marketing point of view.

We just wanna make sure that we've taken into account


Okay.  Basically this is what we've talked about already , um , from the marketing point of view.

We just wanna make sure that we've taken into account


We just wanna make sure that we've taken into account


We just wanna make sure that we've taken into account

just do it quickly if if we al already .


just do it quickly if if we al already .

So it's just a shortlist of criteria on um the things that we've identified as being important to selling the product.


just do it quickly if if we al already .

So it's just a shortlist of criteria on um the things that we've identified as being important to selling the product.

Um we just go through these and rate them as a group and then at the end we'll make an evaluation based on that , so just average the score of those items , so   These are the things we identified as being important. Um  the three things were look and feel , innovation and ease of use , were the three important components


So it's just a shortlist of criteria on um the things that we've identified as being important to selling the product.

Um we just go through these and rate them as a group and then at the end we'll make an evaluation based on that , so just average the score of those items , so   These are the things we identified as being important. Um  the three things were look and feel , innovation and ease of use , were the three important components


Um we just go through these and rate them as a group and then at the end we'll make an evaluation based on that , so just average the score of those items , so   These are the things we identified as being important. Um  the three things were look and feel , innovation and ease of use , were the three important components

um appealing to the correct demographic so using those things in the right way to appeal to our demographic. And then goin following the company motto , following the fashion trends and putting that into the product as well. So well do you wanna go through and put through those on the the two products now or do we wanna discuss them further and then evaluate them ?


Um we just go through these and rate them as a group and then at the end we'll make an evaluation based on that , so just average the score of those items , so   These are the things we identified as being important. Um  the three things were look and feel , innovation and ease of use , were the three important components

um appealing to the correct demographic so using those things in the right way to appeal to our demographic. And then goin following the company motto , following the fashion trends and putting that into the product as well. So well do you wanna go through and put through those on the the two products now or do we wanna discuss them further and then evaluate them ?

Um , n no why not why not discuss uh discuss it now ,


um appealing to the correct demographic so using those things in the right way to appeal to our demographic. And then goin following the company motto , following the fashion trends and putting that into the product as well. So well do you wanna go through and put through those on the the two products now or do we wanna discuss them further and then evaluate them ?

Um , n no why not why not discuss uh discuss it now ,

Okay. So f just go through onto the whiteboard I guess. Not sure how this is gonna come out. So the first one was really  very far below budget , would you want to take the price down of the end product according to that or just have the high profit on it ? 'Cause if we're only going to make it for eight Euros then we have a


um appealing to the correct demographic so using those things in the right way to appeal to our demographic. And then goin following the company motto , following the fashion trends and putting that into the product as well. So well do you wanna go through and put through those on the the two products now or do we wanna discuss them further and then evaluate them ?

Um , n no why not why not discuss uh discuss it now ,

Okay. So f just go through onto the whiteboard I guess. Not sure how this is gonna come out. So the first one was really  very far below budget , would you want to take the price down of the end product according to that or just have the high profit on it ? 'Cause if we're only going to make it for eight Euros then we have a

Mm , well my my personal view is uh w when when this one is eight Euros we must think how can we improve it.


Um , n no why not why not discuss uh discuss it now ,

Okay. So f just go through onto the whiteboard I guess. Not sure how this is gonna come out. So the first one was really  very far below budget , would you want to take the price down of the end product according to that or just have the high profit on it ? 'Cause if we're only going to make it for eight Euros then we have a

Mm , well my my personal view is uh w when when this one is eight Euros we must think how can we improve it.


Okay. So f just go through onto the whiteboard I guess. Not sure how this is gonna come out. So the first one was really  very far below budget , would you want to take the price down of the end product according to that or just have the high profit on it ? 'Cause if we're only going to make it for eight Euros then we have a

Mm , well my my personal view is uh w when when this one is eight Euros we must think how can we improve it.

And then  I mean w w w you must just see it   we can still spend this four and a half Euro


Mm , well my my personal view is uh w when when this one is eight Euros we must think how can we improve it.

And then  I mean w w w you must just see it   we can still spend this four and a half Euro


And then  I mean w w w you must just see it   we can still spend this four and a half Euro

and to r because th th th the the selling price is already prite fik uh uh quite fixed on twenty five Euros


and to r because th th th the the selling price is already prite fik uh uh quite fixed on twenty five Euros


and to r because th th th the the selling price is already prite fik uh uh quite fixed on twenty five Euros

so we just have to offer as much as as  well value for the for the customer uh he can have for twenty five Euro.


so we just have to offer as much as as  well value for the for the customer uh he can have for twenty five Euro.


Mm-hmm. And trends. Oh , you following the idea of using the um removable covers on these ? Is that part of both of them or ?


Mm-hmm. And trends. Oh , you following the idea of using the um removable covers on these ? Is that part of both of them or ?

So um , and together with evaluating this uh we we might come with new ideas


So um , and together with evaluating this uh we we might come with new ideas


So um , and together with evaluating this uh we we might come with new ideas

I mean adding things or uh removing uh of options because they are too expensive ,


I mean adding things or uh removing uh of options because they are too expensive ,

but um I've received uh a framework which we can do this. I mean did you have this this Excel sheet ?


but um I've received uh a framework which we can do this. I mean did you have this this Excel sheet ?


No okay , this is these are the the the latest prices of our production uh uh production unit for several components ,


No okay , this is these are the the the latest prices of our production uh uh production unit for several components ,

so we can uh see whether the the price is is within the twelve Euro uh fifty cents uh.


No okay , this is these are the the the latest prices of our production uh uh production unit for several components ,

so we can uh see whether the the price is is within the twelve Euro uh fifty cents uh.

So maybe we can start with this , uh , calling this one.


so we can uh see whether the the price is is within the twelve Euro uh fifty cents uh.

So maybe we can start with this , uh , calling this one.


So maybe we can start with this , uh , calling this one.


look and feel ? Where um one is  I've broken the pen again. S


look and feel ? Where um one is  I've broken the pen again. S

yeah. Get that one. Um w  one's bad and seven's the best. Sorry , one's true and seven's false. One's the best.


yeah. Get that one. Um w  one's bad and seven's the best. Sorry , one's true and seven's false. One's the best.


yeah. Get that one. Um w  one's bad and seven's the best. Sorry , one's true and seven's false. One's the best.

'Kay. Okay. So. Look and feel. Well you already feel that uh pretty much I think .


'Kay. Okay. So. Look and feel. Well you already feel that uh pretty much I think .

In i in my opinion purely feel is is is very good , is very good in your hand ,


'Kay. Okay. So. Look and feel. Well you already feel that uh pretty much I think .

In i in my opinion purely feel is is is very good , is very good in your hand ,

so I I I would consider two or or may maybe even one for feel.


In i in my opinion purely feel is is is very good , is very good in your hand ,

so I I I would consider two or or may maybe even one for feel.


so I I I would consider two or or may maybe even one for feel.

But that's just half , we should also consider look ,


But that's just half , we should also consider look ,


On the scale u it's between functional and fancy basically we're looking at ,


On the scale u it's between functional and fancy basically we're looking at ,

So maybe two. Hmm. Hmm. Ma ma ma ma maybe say say five


On the scale u it's between functional and fancy basically we're looking at ,

So maybe two. Hmm. Hmm. Ma ma ma ma maybe say say five

I  It's my opinion , but I don't know what what


So maybe two. Hmm. Hmm. Ma ma ma ma maybe say say five

I  It's my opinion , but I don't know what what

Well I will give it maybe  we have anyways  the way we have designed it's like the surf as you say


I  It's my opinion , but I don't know what what

Well I will give it maybe  we have anyways  the way we have designed it's like the surf as you say


Well I will give it maybe  we have anyways  the way we have designed it's like the surf as you say

you know. It  though the look is fine but uh still I will give four in that case


you know. It  though the look is fine but uh still I will give four in that case


If you press like this not like this  then you


C can you get the batteries ? No no the battery has fallen down ,


No no it's not that , it's how to close a battery.


but it wouldn't pick it up with the sensors.


but it wouldn't pick it up with the sensors.

Is there another battery there ? Oh yeah.


Is there another battery there ? Oh yeah.


Because we'll be able to see it still even if it wasn't working , it's just a normal whiteboard marker


Because we'll be able to see it still even if it wasn't working , it's just a normal whiteboard marker

but it wouldn't be picked up on the the actual whiteboard.


but it wouldn't be picked up on the the actual whiteboard.


it's hard to tell from just the plasticine ,


it's hard to tell from just the plasticine ,

When we want to include  I I I'm doubting about this this component.


When we want to include  I I I'm doubting about this this component.


No actually this is this is not going to protrude actually ,


It's a led actually which which 'll be covering in a curve


so it won't be really you know protruding or something.


so it won't be really you know protruding or something.

you can push push it again , you can push it.


so it won't be really you know protruding or something.

you can push push it again , you can push it.

Yeah. The other thing is , is the left hand one protruding ?


you can push push it again , you can push it.

Yeah. The other thing is , is the left hand one protruding ?

'Cause if people are left handed they want to use the other hand ,


Yeah. The other thing is , is the left hand one protruding ?

'Cause if people are left handed they want to use the other hand ,


'Cause if people are left handed they want to use the other hand ,


'Cause if people are left handed they want to use the other hand ,

No you  it it not protruding actually , it will go in better into that


No you  it it not protruding actually , it will go in better into that


No you  it it not protruding actually , it will go in better into that

I'd say two or three for that one , personally.


I'd say two or three for that one , personally.


but the feel is is is worse. So so  I would also say this is four.


but the feel is is is worse. So so  I would also say this is four.

Uh it's fine I think. My  just that um the feel is that um you  right now you you don't see the feel because right uh for example if you press it quite inside now like this , now it's embedded one.


Uh it's fine I think. My  just that um the feel is that um you  right now you you don't see the feel because right uh for example if you press it quite inside now like this , now it's embedded one.


Yeah. It's a bas basically the same thing actually.


And  you might have a slight thing for to forward and


And  you might have a slight thing for to forward and

it's d it's definitely more fancier than that one.


it's d it's definitely more fancier than that one.


Um , 'kay. Innovation. The first one , not really muc


Um , 'kay. Innovation. The first one , not really muc

Basically there is no innovation in the first one compared to what exists in the market ,


Basically there is no innovation in the first one compared to what exists in the market ,


No but except for the design of the surf .


What  What features are we actually including ?


What  What features are we actually including ?

Are we including like a location kind of thing like trying to find it ?


Are we including like a location kind of thing like trying to find it ?


But th is there any there's no actual innovation in that at all , it's just a straight-out remote control.


The only innova innovation is the shape.


So there's no  this uh look and feel thing , though that's not a technological innovation.


Yeah. And the  And the second one is really uh state of the art , uh in terms of innovation.


Yeah. And the  And the second one is really uh state of the art , uh in terms of innovation.

And um with many more functionalities , and can open and close the the bottom part.


And um with many more functionalities , and can open and close the the bottom part.


That's that's that's well it's quite innovative.


That's that's that's well it's quite innovative.

And all the scrolling uh buttons and menu and pro programmable device behind this.


That's that's that's well it's quite innovative.

And all the scrolling uh buttons and menu and pro programmable device behind this.

Uh could put it at one or two I would say. Personally.


And all the scrolling uh buttons and menu and pro programmable device behind this.

Uh could put it at one or two I would say. Personally.


Uh could put it at one or two I would say. Personally.


So what is it , what are the innovations with this ? Got the L_C_D_ screen.


So what is it , what are the innovations with this ? Got the L_C_D_ screen.

Is that in this one though ? Is this  'cause this is the  Th th there were different options we discussed then ,


Is that in this one though ? Is this  'cause this is the  Th th there were different options we discussed then ,

we discussed the one that was in budget and the one that was out of budget.


Is that in this one though ? Is this  'cause this is the  Th th there were different options we discussed then ,

we discussed the one that was in budget and the one that was out of budget.

We just diske discuss it as you designed it


we discussed the one that was in budget and the one that was out of budget.

We just diske discuss it as you designed it


we discussed the one that was in budget and the one that was out of budget.

We just diske discuss it as you designed it

and then we will will try to get it in the budget.


We just diske discuss it as you designed it

and then we will will try to get it in the budget.


and then we will will try to get it in the budget.


what was the cost for the first one ? Eight Euros ?


what was the cost for the first one ? Eight Euros ?

Eight. Well actually we have yeah to check again yeah.


Eight. Well actually we have yeah to check again yeah.


Okay. So. Innovation for this one is two ? One ?


W W un to be one what would do we nee actually , yeah , I don't see


W W un to be one what would do we nee actually , yeah , I don't see

okay , one would would be without buttons , .


okay , one would would be without buttons , .


the speech recognition is a very good innovation I believe it ,


This this is it w with the speech recognition ?


so everybody i including our grandmothers can use it ,


Yep. So that's maybe a a two for ease of use.


Yep. So that's maybe a a two for ease of use.

Um , the other one is quite easy , tho though.


Um , the other one is quite easy , tho though.

Uh , though it has more functionality I think it shouldn't be for the user to learn it actually. It shouldn't be diffi


Uh , though it has more functionality I think it shouldn't be for the user to learn it actually. It shouldn't be diffi

Uh yeah , actually in fact I think it will be


Uh yeah , actually in fact I think it will be


Uh yeah , actually in fact I think it will be

maybe sometimes people get uh scared with the number of buttons.


maybe sometimes people get uh scared with the number of buttons.


maybe sometimes people get uh scared with the number of buttons.

And there is a  like I would say three. Or maybe four .


And there is a  like I would say three. Or maybe four .


And there is a  like I would say three. Or maybe four .

Well we have reduced the keys actually you see.


Well we have reduced the keys actually you see.


because it's n uh it's not like a big one with uh one hundred buttons or so ,


because it's n uh it's not like a big one with uh one hundred buttons or so ,

actually the user has to put some effort to do  use that actually ,


actually the user has to put some effort to do  use that actually ,


actually the user has to put some effort to do  use that actually ,

it's not so easy , like this one the normal.


actually the user has to put some effort to do  use that actually ,

it's not so easy , like this one the normal.

Yeah. Yes but then when when he is used to it , i i it is quite easy.


it's not so easy , like this one the normal.

Yeah. Yes but then when when he is used to it , i i it is quite easy.


Yeah. Yes but then when when he is used to it , i i it is quite easy.

Initially there there is a lot of effort , yeah.


Initially there there is a lot of effort , yeah.


uh how well it goes to the target demographic. So we're d we're still thinking twenty to forty year olds ?


I would I would give this model to the old people actually.


I would I would give this model to the old people actually.

So sh completely changed our demographic there ,


So sh completely changed our demographic there ,


So sh completely changed our demographic there ,

it's not part of the the funky young thing.


it's not part of the the funky young thing.

Well exce except for the surfing shape. I mean that's that's something which which has an appeal on this group I think ,


it's not part of the the funky young thing.

Well exce except for the surfing shape. I mean that's that's something which which has an appeal on this group I think ,

Yeah. If it was the very bottom price range or it was like between this and another one we did the same thing then I can imagine it being  applying to the the demographic


Well exce except for the surfing shape. I mean that's that's something which which has an appeal on this group I think ,

Yeah. If it was the very bottom price range or it was like between this and another one we did the same thing then I can imagine it being  applying to the the demographic


Yeah. If it was the very bottom price range or it was like between this and another one we did the same thing then I can imagine it being  applying to the the demographic


Mm w w w we  after this we can can consider uh for instance , making this more attractive to to the demographic


Mm w w w we  after this we can can consider uh for instance , making this more attractive to to the demographic

Mm. 'Cause we have got room , we've got some budget there to add a few things to it ,


Mm. 'Cause we have got room , we've got some budget there to add a few things to it ,

But as it is now , I w would say mm , six , something.


But as it is now , I w would say mm , six , something.


Yeah because it's so important  it's i it was written that it really so important , the um the the look and uh taking care of its  it targets , the right range of people ,


Yeah. Uh yeah but but if you sell it in the market it's going to be cheap , actually.


Yeah. Uh yeah but but if you sell it in the market it's going to be cheap , actually.

But it's going to be cheap whatever though ,


But it's going to be cheap whatever though ,


But it's going to be cheap whatever though ,

it was set with i we've got a set price.


it was set with i we've got a set price.

And people can still decide to use the cheaper one


And people can still decide to use the cheaper one

But for us it's  yeah  we have a constraint that we need to sell at twenty five Euros.


But for us it's  yeah  we have a constraint that we need to sell at twenty five Euros.


But for us it's  yeah  we have a constraint that we need to sell at twenty five Euros.

Yeah. There's nothing that would make me spend an extra k few Euros on that one rather than another one.


Yeah. There's nothing that would make me spend an extra k few Euros on that one rather than another one.

Ju just think , twenty five Euros , I mean it's not going to be cheaper.


Ju just think , twenty five Euros , I mean it's not going to be cheaper.


Ju just think , twenty five Euros , I mean it's not going to be cheaper.

Okay. So in that case well it's fine then.


Okay. So in that case well it's fine then.


and the demokraphi demographic of the second one ?


and the demokraphi demographic of the second one ?

It's got the got the the toys in it , it's got the L_C_D_ screen


It's got the got the the toys in it , it's got the L_C_D_ screen


because of the L_C_D_ screen which is really an appeal on the on the on the


because of the L_C_D_ screen which is really an appeal on the on the on the

Yeah. And if you want to target  yeah if we we wish to to sell four millions of this , I think for this audience we need absolutely the L_C_D_ screen.


Yeah. And if you want to target  yeah if we we wish to to sell four millions of this , I think for this audience we need absolutely the L_C_D_ screen.


Yeah. And if you want to target  yeah if we we wish to to sell four millions of this , I think for this audience we need absolutely the L_C_D_ screen.

Mm. So , the L_C_D_ screen uh attracts ,


Mm. So , the L_C_D_ screen uh attracts ,


Mm. So , the L_C_D_ screen uh attracts ,

I think especially if we're gonna n have an L_C_D_ screen on a low range product then that's good.


I think especially if we're gonna n have an L_C_D_ screen on a low range product then that's good.

Because it  Mm , ma maybe that's something to consider , yes  ,


Because it  Mm , ma maybe that's something to consider , yes  ,


I'd probably go with three again for that one.


I'd probably go with three again for that one.

Yeah I think it's uh  it has more market actually.


Yeah I think it's uh  it has more market actually.


Yeah two yeah. Because tomorrow this will be more appealing because you can add  lot of sophistication on that.


Yeah two yeah. Because tomorrow this will be more appealing because you can add  lot of sophistication on that.

Because then you you have it uh d you have lot of things which you can include


Yeah two yeah. Because tomorrow this will be more appealing because you can add  lot of sophistication on that.

Because then you you have it uh d you have lot of things which you can include

Yeah. Yep. And especially I guess 'cause this has the speech recognition as well ,


Because then you you have it uh d you have lot of things which you can include

Yeah. Yep. And especially I guess 'cause this has the speech recognition as well ,


Because then you you have it uh d you have lot of things which you can include

Yeah. Yep. And especially I guess 'cause this has the speech recognition as well ,

and that makes it more appealing , it's more of a a new fun toy.


Yeah. Yep. And especially I guess 'cause this has the speech recognition as well ,

and that makes it more appealing , it's more of a a new fun toy.


and that makes it more appealing , it's more of a a new fun toy.


So the trends were the fruit and vegetables and the spongy feel.


So the trends were the fruit and vegetables and the spongy feel.

So as it is , not really doing either of them.


So as it is , not really doing either of them.

Spongy , uh , that means that it goes in in the water.


Spongy , uh , that means that it goes in in the water.

the spongy could be part of the the feel of the buttons as well ,


the spongy could be part of the the feel of the buttons as well ,

I know some  have you tried the mobile phones that have got the kinda spongy buttons and  not not exactly spongy but I'm thinking one of the Nokias that's got like you ca it hasn't got individual buttons


I know some  have you tried the mobile phones that have got the kinda spongy buttons and  not not exactly spongy but I'm thinking one of the Nokias that's got like you ca it hasn't got individual buttons


and so you can  that feels kinda spongy.


and so you can  that feels kinda spongy.

But this one includes this feature , right ? Spongy buttons.


and so you can  that feels kinda spongy.

But this one includes this feature , right ? Spongy buttons.

Yeah. We we we we we yeah , it's the way they are going to be , actually.


But this one includes this feature , right ? Spongy buttons.

Yeah. We we we we we yeah , it's the way they are going to be , actually.


Yeah. We we we we we yeah , it's the way they are going to be , actually.


the maybe in the colour we can make it uh fruit and and veggie.


yes. We can  we can consider uh uh is it possible do you think , to to make a cover for s such a phone ? I mean


yes. We can  we can consider uh uh is it possible do you think , to to make a cover for s such a phone ? I mean

Well they make it for mobiles , it can't be that much more complicated.


yes. We can  we can consider uh uh is it possible do you think , to to make a cover for s such a phone ? I mean

Well they make it for mobiles , it can't be that much more complicated.

But why do you want to cover that actually ? In that uh w in the mod


yes. We can  we can consider uh uh is it possible do you think , to to make a cover for s such a phone ? I mean

Well they make it for mobiles , it can't be that much more complicated.

But why do you want to cover that actually ? In that uh w in the mod

Well just with the with the flexible plastic uh


Well they make it for mobiles , it can't be that much more complicated.

But why do you want to cover that actually ? In that uh w in the mod

Well just with the with the flexible plastic uh

So you got the option of having different colours or different textures.


But why do you want to cover that actually ? In that uh w in the mod

Well just with the with the flexible plastic uh

So you got the option of having different colours or different textures.


Well just with the with the flexible plastic uh

So you got the option of having different colours or different textures.


So you got the option of having different colours or different textures.

Uh uh y are you sure ? Yeah I think yeah it should be possible like what we do with the mobile phone , yeah.


Uh uh y are you sure ? Yeah I think yeah it should be possible like what we do with the mobile phone , yeah.

O o or just two things which can be put on each other.


O o or just two things which can be put on each other.


Uh , so Maybe we can  but we have to decide it , we can put the the  the fancy f look of vegetables for instance , to to these covers


Uh , so Maybe we can  but we have to decide it , we can put the the  the fancy f look of vegetables for instance , to to these covers

and s now try to invest in the in in the features.


Uh , so Maybe we can  but we have to decide it , we can put the the  the fancy f look of vegetables for instance , to to these covers

and s now try to invest in the in in the features.

I think the  if we do the cover that's really going with the company's philosophy of having the fashion in in electronics , it lets people have the latest fashion


and s now try to invest in the in in the features.

I think the  if we do the cover that's really going with the company's philosophy of having the fashion in in electronics , it lets people have the latest fashion


and s now try to invest in the in in the features.

I think the  if we do the cover that's really going with the company's philosophy of having the fashion in in electronics , it lets people have the latest fashion

even next year when fruit and vegetables might be out , you'll still be able to put a new cover on it and then it'll still be in fashion.


I think the  if we do the cover that's really going with the company's philosophy of having the fashion in in electronics , it lets people have the latest fashion

even next year when fruit and vegetables might be out , you'll still be able to put a new cover on it and then it'll still be in fashion.


even next year when fruit and vegetables might be out , you'll still be able to put a new cover on it and then it'll still be in fashion.

Yeah. 'Cause sometimes look at this computer , th this laptop , it's all black ,


Yeah. 'Cause sometimes look at this computer , th this laptop , it's all black ,

and uh it's quite conventional , and sometimes people don't like too much flashy colours like this one presented here.


and uh it's quite conventional , and sometimes people don't like too much flashy colours like this one presented here.

So maybe we could do like in the range the set of what we propose a black one , very standard one , that meets the the requirements of th such people that want really standard uh things.


So maybe we could do like in the range the set of what we propose a black one , very standard one , that meets the the requirements of th such people that want really standard uh things.


And then you have the option of having the different colours , different covers.


And then you have the option of having the different colours , different covers.

Yes. So so so that that would make the trends equal ,


Yes. So so so that that would make the trends equal ,

Mm. There's n yeah. 'Cause that's the that's the feature that could be included in either of them.


Mm. There's n yeah. 'Cause that's the that's the feature that could be included in either of them.


Mm. There's n yeah. 'Cause that's the that's the feature that could be included in either of them.

Although it is more with the spongy buttons on the um on the other one.


Although it is more with the spongy buttons on the um on the other one.

Yeah , so a a point better for the for the number two .


Although it is more with the spongy buttons on the um on the other one.

Yeah , so a a point better for the for the number two .

Okay. So. Two and three , or one and two ?


Yeah , so a a point better for the for the number two .

Okay. So. Two and three , or one and two ?


Okay. So. Two and three , or one and two ?


Okay so the average of that is three six nine divided by five , so five  mm nine by five , one point s eight ?


This one , eleven thirteen nineteen twenty one , divided by five is four point two


Okay. But we still got a very different price for those two so they're not really comparable yet anyway.


Okay. But we still got a very different price for those two so they're not really comparable yet anyway.

Mm-hmm. We  we must try to get them closer.


Mm-hmm. We  we must try to get them closer.


Because , when we choose for this one we have to  we have to make it more attractive


Because , when we choose for this one we have to  we have to make it more attractive

and w when we  to d for this one we have to make it more cheap.


Because , when we choose for this one we have to  we have to make it more attractive

and w when we  to d for this one we have to make it more cheap.

Well it's easier to just make that one cheaper by just taking the speech recognition out.


and w when we  to d for this one we have to make it more cheap.

Well it's easier to just make that one cheaper by just taking the speech recognition out.


and w when we  to d for this one we have to make it more cheap.

Well it's easier to just make that one cheaper by just taking the speech recognition out.

That'll basically take us down to the budget.


Well it's easier to just make that one cheaper by just taking the speech recognition out.

That'll basically take us down to the budget.

But I'm  now  did y did you work with the same prices that I have here ?


That'll basically take us down to the budget.

But I'm  now  did y did you work with the same prices that I have here ?

So I I give yeah I just give a call with the manufacturer uh and uh I explained them and they told me this could be possible for sixteen Fr Euros.


But I'm  now  did y did you work with the same prices that I have here ?

So I I give yeah I just give a call with the manufacturer uh and uh I explained them and they told me this could be possible for sixteen Fr Euros.

Uh unfortunately we didn't see this chip , uh Matthew ,


So I I give yeah I just give a call with the manufacturer uh and uh I explained them and they told me this could be possible for sixteen Fr Euros.

Uh unfortunately we didn't see this chip , uh Matthew ,


Uh unfortunately we didn't see this chip , uh Matthew ,


Uh unfortunately we didn't see this chip , uh Matthew ,

so maybe we have to recap with this one.


so maybe we have to recap with this one.

Maybe we ought to reconsider everything with this , yeah.


so maybe we have to recap with this one.

Maybe we ought to reconsider everything with this , yeah.

Well yes , well uh re reconsider it. So  let's let's try to to model this this phone in this sheet ,


Maybe we ought to reconsider everything with this , yeah.

Well yes , well uh re reconsider it. So  let's let's try to to model this this phone in this sheet ,

uh what kind of energy source uh I I  we didn't speak about that. It's a  it's a normal battery , or


Well yes , well uh re reconsider it. So  let's let's try to to model this this phone in this sheet ,

uh what kind of energy source uh I I  we didn't speak about that. It's a  it's a normal battery , or

Yeah , it migh It  it'll need uh more than a conventional one , it won't be uh just  maybe you might use a A_A_ battery actually. What do you say , Mael ?


uh what kind of energy source uh I I  we didn't speak about that. It's a  it's a normal battery , or

Yeah , it migh It  it'll need uh more than a conventional one , it won't be uh just  maybe you might use a A_A_ battery actually. What do you say , Mael ?


uh what kind of energy source uh I I  we didn't speak about that. It's a  it's a normal battery , or

Yeah , it migh It  it'll need uh more than a conventional one , it won't be uh just  maybe you might use a A_A_ battery actually. What do you say , Mael ?

Yes. Just so one battery. 'Kay. Electronics.  given speech recognition I think w you should go for the less fancy chip.


Yeah , it migh It  it'll need uh more than a conventional one , it won't be uh just  maybe you might use a A_A_ battery actually. What do you say , Mael ?

Yes. Just so one battery. 'Kay. Electronics.  given speech recognition I think w you should go for the less fancy chip.


Yes. Just so one battery. 'Kay. Electronics.  given speech recognition I think w you should go for the less fancy chip.


Yeah , it's gonna be more than just the biggest case , definitely.


Oh yes , we are talking about , but they have the same shape ,


Oh yes , we are talking about , but they have the same shape ,

Mm. They're both going to be not basic cases.


Mm. They're both going to be not basic cases.


'Kay. Uh , plastic would be the material.


Uh special colour , now we leave it to the covers.


Uh special colour , now we leave it to the covers.

So now we're either going button or L_C_D_s , L_C_D_ display.


So now we're either going button or L_C_D_s , L_C_D_ display.

L_C_D_ is . It's okay. Just say L_C_D_ .


So now we're either going button or L_C_D_s , L_C_D_ display.

L_C_D_ is . It's okay. Just say L_C_D_ .

Is that price per unit , or for the whole thing ?


L_C_D_ is . It's okay. Just say L_C_D_ .

Is that price per unit , or for the whole thing ?

Yeah th now this is per per unit , this number of components.


Is that price per unit , or for the whole thing ?

Yeah th now this is per per unit , this number of components.


Yeah th now this is per per unit , this number of components.

Yeah , we might need a scroll wheel , right , for that ?


Yeah , we might need a scroll wheel , right , for that ?


So , one , two , three , four , five , six , seven , eight , nine ,


So , one , two , three , four , five , six , seven , eight , nine ,

t Yes. Twelve I believe. So this comes to eighteen.


So , one , two , three , four , five , six , seven , eight , nine ,

t Yes. Twelve I believe. So this comes to eighteen.

Mm. And that's without any special button supplements.


t Yes. Twelve I believe. So this comes to eighteen.

Mm. And that's without any special button supplements.


Mm. And that's without any special button supplements.

So we'd have a special colour , special form and special material on all of them. They're not just standard buttons.


So we'd have a special colour , special form and special material on all of them. They're not just standard buttons.


So we'd have a special colour , special form and special material on all of them. They're not just standard buttons.

So I think  but th do you agree th that thi


So we'd have a special colour , special form and special material on all of them. They're not just standard buttons.

So I think  but th do you agree th that thi

Wait a minute , it's not it's not double curved , it's single curved , right ? Because it's  there is no like .


So I think  but th do you agree th that thi

Wait a minute , it's not it's not double curved , it's single curved , right ? Because it's  there is no like .


Wait a minute , it's not it's not double curved , it's single curved , right ? Because it's  there is no like .

it's like it's curved on the sides and curved on the top and bottom as well , that's what I thought.


it's like it's curved on the sides and curved on the top and bottom as well , that's what I thought.


it's like it's curved on the sides and curved on the top and bottom as well , that's what I thought.

Yes I kno undes I understand what you mean , yes.


Yes I kno undes I understand what you mean , yes.

it's  you know this curve like this so , it's w there is only is is is there is nothing like y you know in the other stuff there are


it's  you know this curve like this so , it's w there is only is is is there is nothing like y you know in the other stuff there are


the single curved in the sixteen. That makes uh seventeen. And what are just  The bt buttons , we have twelve buttons , are you sure ? Yeah.


the single curved in the sixteen. That makes uh seventeen. And what are just  The bt buttons , we have twelve buttons , are you sure ? Yeah.

We have more , we've got those  the scroll wheel on the side


We have more , we've got those  the scroll wheel on the side


we have  we haven't talk about a  , but that's no a  is very exp inexpensive I believe


we have  we haven't talk about a  , but that's no a  is very exp inexpensive I believe

We've got a scroll wheel for the volume don't we , or is it some other thing that's not on there.


We've got a scroll wheel for the volume don't we , or is it some other thing that's not on there.

W ho h is this a scroll wheel or is this a a a sort of button which can be pressed on two sides uh so for higher and lower ?


We've got a scroll wheel for the volume don't we , or is it some other thing that's not on there.

W ho h is this a scroll wheel or is this a a a sort of button which can be pressed on two sides uh so for higher and lower ?

'Kay we've only got five minutes left guys so we need to wrap it up pretty fast.


W ho h is this a scroll wheel or is this a a a sort of button which can be pressed on two sides uh so for higher and lower ?

'Kay we've only got five minutes left guys so we need to wrap it up pretty fast.


'Kay we've only got five minutes left guys so we need to wrap it up pretty fast.

So this is even more than the um than the cost you gave , the sixteen Euros.


So this is even more than the um than the cost you gave , the sixteen Euros.


So this is even more than the um than the cost you gave , the sixteen Euros.

so based on that , yeah , um where is the es okay sample speaker


so based on that , yeah , um where is the es okay sample speaker

That is the sample sensor and sample speaker.


That is the sample sensor and sample speaker.

We just need that actually. We need one.


We just need that actually. We need one.

We're  We  We could go for the for the for the for the for a simple chip , but then we can't have the the speech recognition , yes ? Yes ?


We're  We  We could go for the for the for the for the for a simple chip , but then we can't have the the speech recognition , yes ? Yes ?


this would this would be cutting the speech recognition.


this would this would be cutting the speech recognition.

But the um  Yeah but if you have the  near the L_C_D_ you can um  choose  select between um you know like uni universal between audio , T_V_ and V_C_R_ , and this needs a needs a advanced chip.


But the um  Yeah but if you have the  near the L_C_D_ you can um  choose  select between um you know like uni universal between audio , T_V_ and V_C_R_ , and this needs a needs a advanced chip.


I think yeah regular , today we you can do that with regular chip.


I think yeah regular , today we you can do that with regular chip.

yeah it's th with the regular chip , yeah.


yeah it's th with the regular chip , yeah.


So. And what about the number of buttons buttons uh   my Matthew ?


So. And what about the number of buttons buttons uh   my Matthew ?

Yes but that  maybe  Well we can just say


Yes but that  maybe  Well we can just say

When you look at this w , this u uh item ,


When you look at this w , this u uh item ,


When you look at this w , this u uh item ,

Ca l we are just  when we just want to uh to cut the number of buttons we have to make seven to to fit in in twelve twelve fifty.


Ca l we are just  when we just want to uh to cut the number of buttons we have to make seven to to fit in in twelve twelve fifty.


Ca l we are just  when we just want to uh to cut the number of buttons we have to make seven to to fit in in twelve twelve fifty.

But that's seven basic buttons right , seven buttons without any adds-on , without special colours or form or material.


But that's seven basic buttons right , seven buttons without any adds-on , without special colours or form or material.


But that's seven basic buttons right , seven buttons without any adds-on , without special colours or form or material.

That'll be  then we have uh have to ask the user to press it several times.


But that's seven basic buttons right , seven buttons without any adds-on , without special colours or form or material.

That'll be  then we have uh have to ask the user to press it several times.

You cannot make a phone to your boss saying twelve fifty is really  really low ,


That'll be  then we have uh have to ask the user to press it several times.

You cannot make a phone to your boss saying twelve fifty is really  really low ,


You cannot make a phone to your boss saying twelve fifty is really  really low ,


So  the L_C_D_ display is is three Francs , sorry three Euros , by itself.


So  the L_C_D_ display is is three Francs , sorry three Euros , by itself.

And uh we don't want to to change that right ? We we really want a L_C_D_


And uh we don't want to to change that right ? We we really want a L_C_D_


And uh we don't want to to change that right ? We we really want a L_C_D_

other otherwise we w wouldn not get the market.


other otherwise we w wouldn not get the market.

Otherwise y you ha you have a s ve very normal uh thing like this.


Otherwise y you ha you have a s ve very normal uh thing like this.


So twelve Euro fifty , we got two off of the battery ,


So twelve Euro fifty , we got two off of the battery ,

we can't do anything about that , so ten fifty , if we want an L_C_D_ dispra display , that's seven fifty um , so we've got seven fifty to use for the case and for the buttons. And the chip.


we can't do anything about that , so ten fifty , if we want an L_C_D_ dispra display , that's seven fifty um , so we've got seven fifty to use for the case and for the buttons. And the chip.


So we're gonna have to scale this down to get within budget , there's no doubt about that.


So we're gonna have to scale this down to get within budget , there's no doubt about that.

So wha what what each of us think about the  because it's measure point the L_C_D_ , um  Do you think it's important ?


So we're gonna have to scale this down to get within budget , there's no doubt about that.

So wha what what each of us think about the  because it's measure point the L_C_D_ , um  Do you think it's important ?

Or we could even replace them by buttons actually.


So we're gonna have to scale this down to get within budget , there's no doubt about that.

So wha what what each of us think about the  because it's measure point the L_C_D_ , um  Do you think it's important ?

Or we could even replace them by buttons actually.

Because sometimes whe when you watch the T_V_ in fact , you have a big display and maybe you don't need one more in your hands ? I dunno , I'm just asking.


So wha what what each of us think about the  because it's measure point the L_C_D_ , um  Do you think it's important ?

Or we could even replace them by buttons actually.

Because sometimes whe when you watch the T_V_ in fact , you have a big display and maybe you don't need one more in your hands ? I dunno , I'm just asking.


Or we could even replace them by buttons actually.

Because sometimes whe when you watch the T_V_ in fact , you have a big display and maybe you don't need one more in your hands ? I dunno , I'm just asking.


Because sometimes whe when you watch the T_V_ in fact , you have a big display and maybe you don't need one more in your hands ? I dunno , I'm just asking.

A actually it depends , it depends what kind of functionalities you want to add into it ,


A actually it depends , it depends what kind of functionalities you want to add into it ,


A actually it depends , it depends what kind of functionalities you want to add into it ,

for example if you add two more functionalities then better you add two more buttons , or  and you'll have L_C_D_ display which is  that is going to bring the cost by two two Euros at least.


A actually it depends , it depends what kind of functionalities you want to add into it ,

for example if you add two more functionalities then better you add two more buttons , or  and you'll have L_C_D_ display which is  that is going to bring the cost by two two Euros at least.

Mm. Yeah. I think , unless we can really drive these prices down we need to get rid of the L_C_D_ display.


for example if you add two more functionalities then better you add two more buttons , or  and you'll have L_C_D_ display which is  that is going to bring the cost by two two Euros at least.

Mm. Yeah. I think , unless we can really drive these prices down we need to get rid of the L_C_D_ display.


Mm. Yeah. I think , unless we can really drive these prices down we need to get rid of the L_C_D_ display.


But uh , do we want that ? On the market point of view , yeah. What do you think uh , L_C_D_ is a major feature , or ?


But uh , do we want that ? On the market point of view , yeah. What do you think uh , L_C_D_ is a major feature , or ?

For the price , it's gonna be what we can afford , and it's looking like we can't afford the L_C_D_ display , there's no way we can get it in there.  Mm.


But uh , do we want that ? On the market point of view , yeah. What do you think uh , L_C_D_ is a major feature , or ?

For the price , it's gonna be what we can afford , and it's looking like we can't afford the L_C_D_ display , there's no way we can get it in there.  Mm.

I  think we have to come to a decision now , just I I think we we what we just do i is vote about the uh the L_C_D_ uh display


For the price , it's gonna be what we can afford , and it's looking like we can't afford the L_C_D_ display , there's no way we can get it in there.  Mm.

I  think we have to come to a decision now , just I I think we we what we just do i is vote about the uh the L_C_D_ uh display


I  think we have to come to a decision now , just I I think we we what we just do i is vote about the uh the L_C_D_ uh display

You assume , you want a democratic voyt vote ,


You assume , you want a democratic voyt vote ,


S so who thinks the the L_C_D_ disply display should be i should be in it ?


S so who thinks the the L_C_D_ disply display should be i should be in it ?

I th I'd like t it to be in but I can't see it happening. I can't see it fitting in.


I th I'd like t it to be in but I can't see it happening. I can't see it fitting in.


Bu y you're a power voter  uh veto anyway as Project Manager.


Bu y you're a power voter  uh veto anyway as Project Manager.

Yeah but the only thing is that what is the multiple functionalities you want to include with that.


Yeah but the only thing is that what is the multiple functionalities you want to include with that.

well we have to make a decision now , that's it.


well we have to make a decision now , that's it.

So uh uh having an L_C_D_ s display is just uh uh have very very limited amount of buttons. Is that acceptable ? Ca can I have  can the functions be implement in an


So uh uh having an L_C_D_ s display is just uh uh have very very limited amount of buttons. Is that acceptable ? Ca can I have  can the functions be implement in an


So hav hav having seven buttons , instead of twelve.


So hav hav having seven buttons , instead of twelve.

So that wou would be cutting cutting suh say about these buttons .


So hav hav having seven buttons , instead of twelve.

So that wou would be cutting cutting suh say about these buttons .

Because one yeah th show me that uh actually we could in fact we move these three buttons and have three uh possibilities for each of the three here. Here one , at the middle , and at the bottom.


So that wou would be cutting cutting suh say about these buttons .

Because one yeah th show me that uh actually we could in fact we move these three buttons and have three uh possibilities for each of the three here. Here one , at the middle , and at the bottom.


So that wou would be cutting cutting suh say about these buttons .

Because one yeah th show me that uh actually we could in fact we move these three buttons and have three uh possibilities for each of the three here. Here one , at the middle , and at the bottom.

Mm. I think then we we're really losing ease of use.


Because one yeah th show me that uh actually we could in fact we move these three buttons and have three uh possibilities for each of the three here. Here one , at the middle , and at the bottom.

Mm. I think then we we're really losing ease of use.


Mm. I think then we we're really losing ease of use.

That will create another problem. For the people to use it. It's not going to be easy. Doing that.


That will create another problem. For the people to use it. It's not going to be easy. Doing that.


I I think we should we should cut the L_C_D_ screen. That that's that's my opinion.


I I think we should we should cut the L_C_D_ screen. That that's that's my opinion.

No , it's okay , you uh cut the L_C_D_ screen


No , it's okay , you uh cut the L_C_D_ screen

Okay. So L_C_D_'s out , is speech rec out now ? We've


Okay. So L_C_D_'s out , is speech rec out now ? We've

The speech recognition is out. Because of the budget , yeah.


The speech recognition is out. Because of the budget , yeah.


So are we basically back to the original one now , back to the first version ? Which turns out to be on budget exactly , pretty much. With these new costings.


So are we basically back to the original one now , back to the first version ? Which turns out to be on budget exactly , pretty much. With these new costings.

So  just look at  forget that one and look at that one now.


So  just look at  forget that one and look at that one now.

Yes. Yes. I th I th I think w we just go for this one


Yes. Yes. I th I th I think w we just go for this one

and that that now twelve Euros is the is is the price ,


and that that now twelve Euros is the is is the price ,


My m my supervisor will be glad that it's fifty cents cheaper than he expected.


we we we will not need the really uh expert designers um because the amount , yeah.


we we we will not need the really uh expert designers um because the amount , yeah.

Yep. So w we can go back and l talk to the suppliers maybe


Yep. So w we can go back and l talk to the suppliers maybe


Yep. So w we can go back and l talk to the suppliers maybe

and see if we can drive the prices down to add a few more things in but that's all we can do with the restrictions we have at the moment.


Yes. Whew ! I almost forgot  about the meeting. I woke up twenty minutes ago , thinking , what did I forget ?

It 's great how the br brain sort of does that.


It 's great how the br brain sort of does that.

OK. So the news for me is A , my forthcoming travel plans


OK. So the news for me is A , my forthcoming travel plans


OK. So the news for me is A , my forthcoming travel plans

in two weeks from today ? Yeah ? More or less ? I 'll be off to Sicily and Germany for a couple , three days.


OK. So the news for me is A , my forthcoming travel plans

in two weeks from today ? Yeah ? More or less ? I 'll be off to Sicily and Germany for a couple , three days.

Now what are y what are you doing there ? I forgot ?


in two weeks from today ? Yeah ? More or less ? I 'll be off to Sicily and Germany for a couple , three days.

Now what are y what are you doing there ? I forgot ?

OK , I 'm flying to Sicily basically to drop off Simon there with his grandparents. And then I 'm flying to Germany t to go to a MOKU - Treffen which is the meeting of all the module - responsible people in SmartKom ,


Now what are y what are you doing there ? I forgot ?

OK , I 'm flying to Sicily basically to drop off Simon there with his grandparents. And then I 'm flying to Germany t to go to a MOKU - Treffen which is the meeting of all the module - responsible people in SmartKom ,

and , represent ICI and myself I guess there. And um. That 's the mmm actual reason. And then I 'm also going up to EML for a day , and then I 'm going to  meet the very big boss , Wolfgang Walster , in Saarbruecken and the System system integration people in Kaiserslautern and then I 'm flying back via Sicily pick up my son come back here on the fourth of July. And uh.


OK , I 'm flying to Sicily basically to drop off Simon there with his grandparents. And then I 'm flying to Germany t to go to a MOKU - Treffen which is the meeting of all the module - responsible people in SmartKom ,

and , represent ICI and myself I guess there. And um. That 's the mmm actual reason. And then I 'm also going up to EML for a day , and then I 'm going to  meet the very big boss , Wolfgang Walster , in Saarbruecken and the System system integration people in Kaiserslautern and then I 'm flying back via Sicily pick up my son come back here on the fourth of July. And uh.

What a great time to be coming back to the


and , represent ICI and myself I guess there. And um. That 's the mmm actual reason. And then I 'm also going up to EML for a day , and then I 'm going to  meet the very big boss , Wolfgang Walster , in Saarbruecken and the System system integration people in Kaiserslautern and then I 'm flying back via Sicily pick up my son come back here on the fourth of July. And uh.

What a great time to be coming back to the


and , represent ICI and myself I guess there. And um. That 's the mmm actual reason. And then I 'm also going up to EML for a day , and then I 'm going to  meet the very big boss , Wolfgang Walster , in Saarbruecken and the System system integration people in Kaiserslautern and then I 'm flying back via Sicily pick up my son come back here on the fourth of July. And uh.

What a great time to be coming back to the

You 'll see maybe  see the fireworks from your plane coming in.


What a great time to be coming back to the

You 'll see maybe  see the fireworks from your plane coming in.

And I 'm sure all the  the people at the airport will be happy to work on that day.


You 'll see maybe  see the fireworks from your plane coming in.

And I 'm sure all the  the people at the airport will be happy to work on that day.

Yeah. You 'll get even better service than usual.


You 'll see maybe  see the fireworks from your plane coming in.

And I 'm sure all the  the people at the airport will be happy to work on that day.

Yeah. You 'll get even better service than usual.

Wait , aren't you flying on Lufthansa though ?


And I 'm sure all the  the people at the airport will be happy to work on that day.

Yeah. You 'll get even better service than usual.

Wait , aren't you flying on Lufthansa though ?


Yeah. You 'll get even better service than usual.

Wait , aren't you flying on Lufthansa though ?

Oh. Well then the  you know , it 's not a big deal. Once you get to the United States it 'll be a problem , but


Wait , aren't you flying on Lufthansa though ?

Oh. Well then the  you know , it 's not a big deal. Once you get to the United States it 'll be a problem , but

Yeah. And um , that 's that bit of news , and the other bit of news is we had  you know , uh , I was visited by my German project manager who A , did like what we did  what we 're doing here , and B , is planning to come here either three weeks in July or three weeks in August , to actually work.


Oh. Well then the  you know , it 's not a big deal. Once you get to the United States it 'll be a problem , but

Yeah. And um , that 's that bit of news , and the other bit of news is we had  you know , uh , I was visited by my German project manager who A , did like what we did  what we 're doing here , and B , is planning to come here either three weeks in July or three weeks in August , to actually work.


Yeah. And um , that 's that bit of news , and the other bit of news is we had  you know , uh , I was visited by my German project manager who A , did like what we did  what we 're doing here , and B , is planning to come here either three weeks in July or three weeks in August , to actually work.


And we sat around and we talked and he came up  we came up  with a pretty strange idea. And that 's what I 'm gonna lay on you now. And um , maybe it might be ultimately the most interesting thing for Eva because she has been known to complain about the fact that the stuff we do here is not weird enough.


And we sat around and we talked and he came up  we came up  with a pretty strange idea. And that 's what I 'm gonna lay on you now. And um , maybe it might be ultimately the most interesting thing for Eva because she has been known to complain about the fact that the stuff we do here is not weird enough.

So this is so weird it should even make you happy.


So this is so weird it should even make you happy.