Also CMU has been doing this and they were the most vocal at this meeting , Alex Waibel 's group. And they have  said , I talked to the student who had done this ,  that with two fairly inexpensive cameras they  they just recorded all the time


Also CMU has been doing this and they were the most vocal at this meeting , Alex Waibel 's group. And they have  said , I talked to the student who had done this ,  that with two fairly inexpensive cameras they  they just recorded all the time

and were able to get all the information from  or maybe it was three  from all the parts of the room. So I think we would be  we might lose the chance to use this data for somebody later who wants to do some kind of processing on it if we don't collect it  at all.


Also CMU has been doing this and they were the most vocal at this meeting , Alex Waibel 's group. And they have  said , I talked to the student who had done this ,  that with two fairly inexpensive cameras they  they just recorded all the time

and were able to get all the information from  or maybe it was three  from all the parts of the room. So I think we would be  we might lose the chance to use this data for somebody later who wants to do some kind of processing on it if we don't collect it  at all.

Yeah. I  I  I don't disagree. I think that if you have that , then people who are interested in vision can use this database. The problem with it is you 'll have more people who don't want to be filmed than who don't want to be recorded.


and were able to get all the information from  or maybe it was three  from all the parts of the room. So I think we would be  we might lose the chance to use this data for somebody later who wants to do some kind of processing on it if we don't collect it  at all.

Yeah. I  I  I don't disagree. I think that if you have that , then people who are interested in vision can use this database. The problem with it is you 'll have more people who don't want to be filmed than who don't want to be recorded.


and were able to get all the information from  or maybe it was three  from all the parts of the room. So I think we would be  we might lose the chance to use this data for somebody later who wants to do some kind of processing on it if we don't collect it  at all.

Yeah. I  I  I don't disagree. I think that if you have that , then people who are interested in vision can use this database. The problem with it is you 'll have more people who don't want to be filmed than who don't want to be recorded.

So that there 's going to be another group of people who are gonna say " I won't participate ".


Yeah. I  I  I don't disagree. I think that if you have that , then people who are interested in vision can use this database. The problem with it is you 'll have more people who don't want to be filmed than who don't want to be recorded.

So that there 's going to be another group of people who are gonna say " I won't participate ".


So that there 's going to be another group of people who are gonna say " I won't participate ".


Or you could put a paper bag over everybody 's head


Or you could put a paper bag over everybody 's head

and not look at each other and not look at boards , and just all be sitting  talking.


and not look at each other and not look at boards , and just all be sitting  talking.


Well , there 's  that 'd be the  the parallel , yeah. But I think y she 's  we 're just proposing  a minimal preservation of things on boards ,


Well , there 's  that 'd be the  the parallel , yeah. But I think y she 's  we 're just proposing  a minimal preservation of things on boards ,

Yeah. I definitely won't participate if there 's a camera.


Well , there 's  that 'd be the  the parallel , yeah. But I think y she 's  we 're just proposing  a minimal preservation of things on boards ,

Yeah. I definitely won't participate if there 's a camera.

sp spatial organization  And you could anonymize the faces for that matter. You know , I mean , this is


Well , there 's  that 'd be the  the parallel , yeah. But I think y she 's  we 're just proposing  a minimal preservation of things on boards ,

Yeah. I definitely won't participate if there 's a camera.

sp spatial organization  And you could anonymize the faces for that matter. You know , I mean , this is

But , you know , that 's a lot of infrastructure and work.


Yeah. I definitely won't participate if there 's a camera.

sp spatial organization  And you could anonymize the faces for that matter. You know , I mean , this is

But , you know , that 's a lot of infrastructure and work.


sp spatial organization  And you could anonymize the faces for that matter. You know , I mean , this is

But , you know , that 's a lot of infrastructure and work.


But , you know , that 's a lot of infrastructure and work.


They have a pretty crude set - up. And they had


They have a pretty crude set - up. And they had

they just turn on these cameras. They were  they were not moving or anything.


they just turn on these cameras. They were  they were not moving or anything.


And they  they didn't actually align it or anything. They just  they have it , though.


And they  they didn't actually align it or anything. They just  they have it , though.

Yeah. Well , it 's worth considering. Maybe we don't want to  spend that much more time discussing it ,


Yeah. Well , it 's worth considering. Maybe we don't want to  spend that much more time discussing it ,


I think they just had the videotapes with a c you know , a counter or something. Um ,


I think they just had the videotapes with a c you know , a counter or something. Um ,

Mm - hmm. Well , I think for  I mean , for our purposes we probably will d


I think they just had the videotapes with a c you know , a counter or something. Um ,

Mm - hmm. Well , I think for  I mean , for our purposes we probably will d

we  we might try that some and  and we certainly already have some recordings that don't have that , uh , which , you know , we we 'll  we 'll get other value out of , I think.


Mm - hmm. Well , I think for  I mean , for our purposes we probably will d

we  we might try that some and  and we certainly already have some recordings that don't have that , uh , which , you know , we we 'll  we 'll get other value out of , I think.


we  we might try that some and  and we certainly already have some recordings that don't have that , uh , which , you know , we we 'll  we 'll get other value out of , I think.


we  we might try that some and  and we certainly already have some recordings that don't have that , uh , which , you know , we we 'll  we 'll get other value out of , I think.

Th The thing is , if it 's easy to collect it  it th then I think it 's a wise thing to do because once it 's gone it 's gone. And


Th The thing is , if it 's easy to collect it  it th then I think it 's a wise thing to do because once it 's gone it 's gone. And

I 'm just  The community  If LDC collects this data  u I mean , and L - if Mark Liberman is a strong proponent of how they collect it and what they collect , there will probably be some video data in there.


Th The thing is , if it 's easy to collect it  it th then I think it 's a wise thing to do because once it 's gone it 's gone. And

I 'm just  The community  If LDC collects this data  u I mean , and L - if Mark Liberman is a strong proponent of how they collect it and what they collect , there will probably be some video data in there.

And so that could argue for us not doing it or it could argue for us doing it. The only place where it sort of overlaps is when some of the summarization issues are  actually could be , um , easier  made easier if you had  the video.


I 'm just  The community  If LDC collects this data  u I mean , and L - if Mark Liberman is a strong proponent of how they collect it and what they collect , there will probably be some video data in there.

And so that could argue for us not doing it or it could argue for us doing it. The only place where it sort of overlaps is when some of the summarization issues are  actually could be , um , easier  made easier if you had  the video.

I think at the moment we should be determining this on the basis of our own , uh , interests and needs rather than hypothetical ones from a community thing.


And so that could argue for us not doing it or it could argue for us doing it. The only place where it sort of overlaps is when some of the summarization issues are  actually could be , um , easier  made easier if you had  the video.

I think at the moment we should be determining this on the basis of our own , uh , interests and needs rather than hypothetical ones from a community thing.


And so that could argue for us not doing it or it could argue for us doing it. The only place where it sort of overlaps is when some of the summarization issues are  actually could be , um , easier  made easier if you had  the video.

I think at the moment we should be determining this on the basis of our own , uh , interests and needs rather than hypothetical ones from a community thing.

As you say , if they   if they decide it 's really critical then they will collect a lot more data than we can afford to , uh , and  and will include all that.


I think at the moment we should be determining this on the basis of our own , uh , interests and needs rather than hypothetical ones from a community thing.

As you say , if they   if they decide it 's really critical then they will collect a lot more data than we can afford to , uh , and  and will include all that.


As you say , if they   if they decide it 's really critical then they will collect a lot more data than we can afford to , uh , and  and will include all that.


As you say , if they   if they decide it 's really critical then they will collect a lot more data than we can afford to , uh , and  and will include all that.

I  I  I 'm not worried about the cost of setting it up. I 'm worried about the cost of people looking at it. In other words , it 's  it  it 'd be kind of silly to collect it all and not look at it at all. And so I  I  I think that we do have to do some picking and choosing of the stuff that we 're doing. But I  I am int I do think that we m minimally want  something  we might want to look at  at some  some , uh , subsets of that. Like for a meeting like this , at least , uh , take a Polaroid of the   of the  of the boards ,


I  I  I 'm not worried about the cost of setting it up. I 'm worried about the cost of people looking at it. In other words , it 's  it  it 'd be kind of silly to collect it all and not look at it at all. And so I  I  I think that we do have to do some picking and choosing of the stuff that we 're doing. But I  I am int I do think that we m minimally want  something  we might want to look at  at some  some , uh , subsets of that. Like for a meeting like this , at least , uh , take a Polaroid of the   of the  of the boards ,


I  I  I 'm not worried about the cost of setting it up. I 'm worried about the cost of people looking at it. In other words , it 's  it  it 'd be kind of silly to collect it all and not look at it at all. And so I  I  I think that we do have to do some picking and choosing of the stuff that we 're doing. But I  I am int I do think that we m minimally want  something  we might want to look at  at some  some , uh , subsets of that. Like for a meeting like this , at least , uh , take a Polaroid of the   of the  of the boards ,

Or at least make sure that the note - taker takes a sh you know , a snapshot of the board.


Or at least make sure that the note - taker takes a sh you know , a snapshot of the board.


That 'll make it a lot easier for meetings that are structured.


That 'll make it a lot easier for meetings that are structured.

I mean , otherwise later on if nobody wrote this stuff on the board down we 'd have a harder time summarizing it or agreeing on a summary.


I mean , otherwise later on if nobody wrote this stuff on the board down we 'd have a harder time summarizing it or agreeing on a summary.

We  And it  Especially since this is common knowledge. I mean , this is shared knowledge among all the participants , and it 's a shame to keep it off the recording.


I mean , otherwise later on if nobody wrote this stuff on the board down we 'd have a harder time summarizing it or agreeing on a summary.

We  And it  Especially since this is common knowledge. I mean , this is shared knowledge among all the participants , and it 's a shame to keep it off the recording.

er , if we weren't recording this , this  this would get lost. Right ?


We  And it  Especially since this is common knowledge. I mean , this is shared knowledge among all the participants , and it 's a shame to keep it off the recording.

er , if we weren't recording this , this  this would get lost. Right ?


er , if we weren't recording this , this  this would get lost. Right ?

Well , I don't understand that point. I mean , I just think that the


er , if we weren't recording this , this  this would get lost. Right ?

Well , I don't understand that point. I mean , I just think that the

The point is that we 're not saving it anyway. Right ? In  in  our real - life setting.


Well , I don't understand that point. I mean , I just think that the

The point is that we 're not saving it anyway. Right ? In  in  our real - life setting.


Well , I don't understand that point. I mean , I just think that the

The point is that we 're not saving it anyway. Right ? In  in  our real - life setting.

What do you mean we 're not saving it anyway ? I 've written all of this down and it 's getting emailed to you.


The point is that we 're not saving it anyway. Right ? In  in  our real - life setting.

What do you mean we 're not saving it anyway ? I 've written all of this down and it 's getting emailed to you.

And you 're gonna send it out by email , too.


What do you mean we 're not saving it anyway ? I 've written all of this down and it 's getting emailed to you.

And you 're gonna send it out by email , too.

Well , uh , in that case we don't need to take pictures of it.


What do you mean we 're not saving it anyway ? I 've written all of this down and it 's getting emailed to you.

And you 're gonna send it out by email , too.

Well , uh , in that case we don't need to take pictures of it.

Right. That would be the other alternative , to make sure that anything that was on the board , um , is in the record.


And you 're gonna send it out by email , too.

Well , uh , in that case we don't need to take pictures of it.

Right. That would be the other alternative , to make sure that anything that was on the board , um , is in the record.


Well , uh , in that case we don't need to take pictures of it.

Right. That would be the other alternative , to make sure that anything that was on the board , um , is in the record.


Right. That would be the other alternative , to make sure that anything that was on the board , um , is in the record.


Well , that 's why  that 's why I 'm saying that I think the note - taking would be  I think in many  for many meetings there will be some sort of note - taking , in which case , that 's a useful thing to have  Uh , I mean , we  uh , we don't need to require it. Just like the


Well , that 's why  that 's why I 'm saying that I think the note - taking would be  I think in many  for many meetings there will be some sort of note - taking , in which case , that 's a useful thing to have  Uh , I mean , we  uh , we don't need to require it. Just like the

I mean , I think it would be great if we try to get a picture with every meeting. Um ,


I mean , I think it would be great if we try to get a picture with every meeting. Um ,

so  so we won't worry about requiring these things , but the more things that we can get it for , the more useful it will be for various applications. So.


I mean , I think it would be great if we try to get a picture with every meeting. Um ,

so  so we won't worry about requiring these things , but the more things that we can get it for , the more useful it will be for various applications. So.

So  So , I mean , departing for the moment from the data collection question but actually talking about , you know , this group and what we actually want to do , uh , so I guess that 's th the way  what you were figuring on doing was  was  was , uh , putting together some notes and sending them to  to everybody from  from today ? OK. So. Um


so  so we won't worry about requiring these things , but the more things that we can get it for , the more useful it will be for various applications. So.

So  So , I mean , departing for the moment from the data collection question but actually talking about , you know , this group and what we actually want to do , uh , so I guess that 's th the way  what you were figuring on doing was  was  was , uh , putting together some notes and sending them to  to everybody from  from today ? OK. So. Um


so  so we won't worry about requiring these things , but the more things that we can get it for , the more useful it will be for various applications. So.

So  So , I mean , departing for the moment from the data collection question but actually talking about , you know , this group and what we actually want to do , uh , so I guess that 's th the way  what you were figuring on doing was  was  was , uh , putting together some notes and sending them to  to everybody from  from today ? OK. So. Um

So   so the question  that  that we started with was whether there was anything else we should do during  during th during the collection.


So  So , I mean , departing for the moment from the data collection question but actually talking about , you know , this group and what we actually want to do , uh , so I guess that 's th the way  what you were figuring on doing was  was  was , uh , putting together some notes and sending them to  to everybody from  from today ? OK. So. Um

So   so the question  that  that we started with was whether there was anything else we should do during  during th during the collection.


So   so the question  that  that we started with was whether there was anything else we should do during  during th during the collection.

And I guess the CrossPads was certainly one idea , uh , and we 'll get them from him and we 'll just do that. Right ? And then the next thing we talked about was the  was the summaries and are we gonna do anything about that.


So   so the question  that  that we started with was whether there was anything else we should do during  during th during the collection.

And I guess the CrossPads was certainly one idea , uh , and we 'll get them from him and we 'll just do that. Right ? And then the next thing we talked about was the  was the summaries and are we gonna do anything about that.

Well , before we leave the CrossPads and  and call it done.


And I guess the CrossPads was certainly one idea , uh , and we 'll get them from him and we 'll just do that. Right ? And then the next thing we talked about was the  was the summaries and are we gonna do anything about that.

Well , before we leave the CrossPads and  and call it done.


And I guess the CrossPads was certainly one idea , uh , and we 'll get them from him and we 'll just do that. Right ? And then the next thing we talked about was the  was the summaries and are we gonna do anything about that.

Well , before we leave the CrossPads and  and call it done.

So , if I 'm collecting data then there is this question of do I use CrossPads ?


Well , before we leave the CrossPads and  and call it done.

So , if I 'm collecting data then there is this question of do I use CrossPads ?


So , if I 'm collecting data then there is this question of do I use CrossPads ?

So , I think that if we really seriously have me collect data and I can't use CrossPads , it 's probably less useful for you guys to go to the trouble of using it , um , unless you think that the CrossPads are gonna  n I 'm not  I 'm not sure what they 're gonna do. But  but having a small percentage of the data with it , I 'm not sure whether that 's useful or not. Maybe  maybe it 's no big deal.


So , I think that if we really seriously have me collect data and I can't use CrossPads , it 's probably less useful for you guys to go to the trouble of using it , um , unless you think that the CrossPads are gonna  n I 'm not  I 'm not sure what they 're gonna do. But  but having a small percentage of the data with it , I 'm not sure whether that 's useful or not. Maybe  maybe it 's no big deal.

Maybe we just do it and see what happens.


So , I think that if we really seriously have me collect data and I can't use CrossPads , it 's probably less useful for you guys to go to the trouble of using it , um , unless you think that the CrossPads are gonna  n I 'm not  I 'm not sure what they 're gonna do. But  but having a small percentage of the data with it , I 'm not sure whether that 's useful or not. Maybe  maybe it 's no big deal.

Maybe we just do it and see what happens.

I guess the point was to try  again , to try to collect more information that could be useful later for  for the UI stuff.


Maybe we just do it and see what happens.

I guess the point was to try  again , to try to collect more information that could be useful later for  for the UI stuff.


Maybe we just do it and see what happens.

I guess the point was to try  again , to try to collect more information that could be useful later for  for the UI stuff.

So it 's sort of Landay supplying it so that Landay 's stuff can be easier to do.


I guess the point was to try  again , to try to collect more information that could be useful later for  for the UI stuff.

So it 's sort of Landay supplying it so that Landay 's stuff can be easier to do.


So it 's sort of Landay supplying it so that Landay 's stuff can be easier to do.

So it  it  Right now he 's g operating from zero ,


So it  it  Right now he 's g operating from zero ,

and so even if we didn't get it done from UW , it seems like that would  could still  You shou


and so even if we didn't get it done from UW , it seems like that would  could still  You shou


and so even if we didn't get it done from UW , it seems like that would  could still  You shou

I think it 'd be useful to have a small amount of it just as a proof of concept.


I think it 'd be useful to have a small amount of it just as a proof of concept.


And  and they seem to  not be able to give enough of them away , so we could probably get more as well.


And  and they seem to  not be able to give enough of them away , so we could probably get more as well.

Yeah. But not  not to rely on them for  basic modeling.


And  and they seem to  not be able to give enough of them away , so we could probably get more as well.

Yeah. But not  not to rely on them for  basic modeling.

That 's true. So if it  if it seems to be really useful to you guys , we could probably get a donation to me.


And  and they seem to  not be able to give enough of them away , so we could probably get more as well.

Yeah. But not  not to rely on them for  basic modeling.

That 's true. So if it  if it seems to be really useful to you guys , we could probably get a donation to me.

Yeah , I 'm not sure. I think it it  it will again depend on Landay , and if he has a student who 's interested , and how much infrastructure we 'll need. I mean , if it 's easy , we can just do it.


Yeah. But not  not to rely on them for  basic modeling.

That 's true. So if it  if it seems to be really useful to you guys , we could probably get a donation to me.

Yeah , I 'm not sure. I think it it  it will again depend on Landay , and if he has a student who 's interested , and how much infrastructure we 'll need. I mean , if it 's easy , we can just do it.


That 's true. So if it  if it seems to be really useful to you guys , we could probably get a donation to me.

Yeah , I 'm not sure. I think it it  it will again depend on Landay , and if he has a student who 's interested , and how much infrastructure we 'll need. I mean , if it 's easy , we can just do it.

Um , but if it requires a lot of our time , we probably won't do it.


Yeah , I 'm not sure. I think it it  it will again depend on Landay , and if he has a student who 's interested , and how much infrastructure we 'll need. I mean , if it 's easy , we can just do it.

Um , but if it requires a lot of our time , we probably won't do it.


Um , but if it requires a lot of our time , we probably won't do it.

I guess a lot of the stuff we 're doing now really is pilot in one sense or another.


Um , but if it requires a lot of our time , we probably won't do it.

I guess a lot of the stuff we 're doing now really is pilot in one sense or another.

Yeah. Yeah , we have to sort of figure out what we 're gonna do.


I guess a lot of the stuff we 're doing now really is pilot in one sense or another.

Yeah. Yeah , we have to sort of figure out what we 're gonna do.

And so we try it out and see how it works.


Yeah. Yeah , we have to sort of figure out what we 're gonna do.

And so we try it out and see how it works.


And so we try it out and see how it works.

I just wouldn't base any of the modeling on having those.


I just wouldn't base any of the modeling on having those.


I think , though , the importance marking is a  good idea , though. That if  if people have something in front of them


I think , though , the importance marking is a  good idea , though. That if  if people have something in front of them

I 'd be sort of cool. I mean , it would  Yeah. That w shouldn't be hard for


I think , though , the importance marking is a  good idea , though. That if  if people have something in front of them

I 'd be sort of cool. I mean , it would  Yeah. That w shouldn't be hard for

Yeah. Do it on pilots or laptops or something. OK , if something 's important everyone clap.


I think , though , the importance marking is a  good idea , though. That if  if people have something in front of them

I 'd be sort of cool. I mean , it would  Yeah. That w shouldn't be hard for

Yeah. Do it on pilots or laptops or something. OK , if something 's important everyone clap.

OK. So CrossPads , we 're just gonna try it and see what happens.


I 'd be sort of cool. I mean , it would  Yeah. That w shouldn't be hard for

Yeah. Do it on pilots or laptops or something. OK , if something 's important everyone clap.

OK. So CrossPads , we 're just gonna try it and see what happens.


Yeah. Do it on pilots or laptops or something. OK , if something 's important everyone clap.

OK. So CrossPads , we 're just gonna try it and see what happens.


OK. So CrossPads , we 're just gonna try it and see what happens.


The note - taking  So , I  I think that this is gonna be useful. So if we record data I will definitely ask for it. So , I j I think we should just say this is not  we don't want to put any extra burden on people , but if they happen to generate minutes , could  could they send it to us ?


The note - taking  So , I  I think that this is gonna be useful. So if we record data I will definitely ask for it. So , I j I think we should just say this is not  we don't want to put any extra burden on people , but if they happen to generate minutes , could  could they send it to us ?

Yeah. Oh , OK. That 's fine. Absolutely.


Yeah. Oh , OK. That 's fine. Absolutely.


Yeah. What I was gonna say is that I don't want to ask people to do something they wouldn't normally do in a meeting. It 's ver I just want to keep away from the artificiality.


Yeah. What I was gonna say is that I don't want to ask people to do something they wouldn't normally do in a meeting. It 's ver I just want to keep away from the artificiality.

But I think it  definitely if they exist. And then Jane 's idea of summarization afterward I think is not a bad one. Um , picking out  basically to let you pick out keywords , um , and , uh , construct queries.


But I think it  definitely if they exist. And then Jane 's idea of summarization afterward I think is not a bad one. Um , picking out  basically to let you pick out keywords , um , and , uh , construct queries.


You know , just at  at the end of the meeting , before you go ,


You know , just at  at the end of the meeting , before you go ,

Without hearing each other though , probably.


Without hearing each other though , probably.


Or even just have one or two people stay behind.


Or even just have one or two people stay behind.

People with radio mikes can go into separate rooms and continue recording without hearing each other. That 's the nice thing.


People with radio mikes can go into separate rooms and continue recording without hearing each other. That 's the nice thing.

Well , then you should try them a few weeks later


People with radio mikes can go into separate rooms and continue recording without hearing each other. That 's the nice thing.

Well , then you should try them a few weeks later

and  They have all these memory experiments about how little you actually retain


Well , then you should try them a few weeks later

and  They have all these memory experiments about how little you actually retain


and  They have all these memory experiments about how little you actually retain

That 's right. Well , that 's the interesting thing , though.


That 's right. Well , that 's the interesting thing , though.

If we do  if we collect four different summaries , you know , we 're gonna get all this weird data about how people perceive things differently.


If we do  if we collect four different summaries , you know , we 're gonna get all this weird data about how people perceive things differently.

It 's like  this is not what we meant to research.


It 's like  this is not what we meant to research.


But  but again , like the CrossPads , I don't think I would base a lot of stuff on it ,


But  but again , like the CrossPads , I don't think I would base a lot of stuff on it ,

I d yeah , I don't know how you would do it , though.


But  but again , like the CrossPads , I don't think I would base a lot of stuff on it ,

I d yeah , I don't know how you would do it , though.

because I think  I know when I see the  the clock coming near the end of the meeting , I 'm like inching towards the door.


I d yeah , I don't know how you would do it , though.

because I think  I know when I see the  the clock coming near the end of the meeting , I 'm like inching towards the door.


because I think  I know when I see the  the clock coming near the end of the meeting , I 'm like inching towards the door.


you 're probably not gonna get  a lot of people wanting to do this.


you 're probably not gonna get  a lot of people wanting to do this.

I mean , I  when you first said do  do it , um , spoken , what I was thinking is , oh then people have to come up


I mean , I  when you first said do  do it , um , spoken , what I was thinking is , oh then people have to come up


I mean , I  when you first said do  do it , um , spoken , what I was thinking is , oh then people have to come up

and you have to hook them up to the recorder. So , if they 're already here I think that 's good ,


and you have to hook them up to the recorder. So , if they 're already here I think that 's good ,

but if they 're not already here for  I 'd rather do email. I 'm much faster typing than anything else.


and you have to hook them up to the recorder. So , if they 're already here I think that 's good ,

but if they 're not already here for  I 'd rather do email. I 'm much faster typing than anything else.

Yeah , I 'd just try  Well , however the least intrusive and  and quickest way is , and th and closest to the meeting time too , cuz people will start to forget it as soon as they l leave.


but if they 're not already here for  I 'd rather do email. I 'm much faster typing than anything else.

Yeah , I 'd just try  Well , however the least intrusive and  and quickest way is , and th and closest to the meeting time too , cuz people will start to forget it as soon as they l leave.


but if they 're not already here for  I 'd rather do email. I 'm much faster typing than anything else.

Yeah , I 'd just try  Well , however the least intrusive and  and quickest way is , and th and closest to the meeting time too , cuz people will start to forget it as soon as they l leave.

Yeah. I think that  I think doing it orally at the end of the meeting is the best time.


Yeah , I 'd just try  Well , however the least intrusive and  and quickest way is , and th and closest to the meeting time too , cuz people will start to forget it as soon as they l leave.

Yeah. I think that  I think doing it orally at the end of the meeting is the best time.


Yeah. I think that  I think doing it orally at the end of the meeting is the best time.


because they 're kind of a captive audience. Once they leave ,


because they 're kind of a captive audience. Once they leave ,

Yeah , read the digits , do the summary.


Yeah , read the digits , do the summary.

Right. But , uh , I don't think that they 'll necessarily  you 'll  you 'll get many people willing to stay.


Right. But , uh , I don't think that they 'll necessarily  you 'll  you 'll get many people willing to stay.

Well , I think it 's like the note - taking thing ,


Well , I think it 's like the note - taking thing ,


Well , I think it 's like the note - taking thing ,

that  that y that you can't  certainly can't require it or people aren't gonna want to do this. But  but if there 's some cases where they will , then it would be helpful.


that  that y that you can't  certainly can't require it or people aren't gonna want to do this. But  but if there 's some cases where they will , then it would be helpful.

And I 'm also wondering , couldn't that be included in the data sample so that you could increase the num you know , the words that are , uh , recognized by a particular individual ? If you could include the person 's meeting stuff and also the person 's summary stuff , maybe that would be uh ,


And I 'm also wondering , couldn't that be included in the data sample so that you could increase the num you know , the words that are , uh , recognized by a particular individual ? If you could include the person 's meeting stuff and also the person 's summary stuff , maybe that would be uh ,


Under the same acoustic circumstance , cuz if they just walk next door with their set - up , nothing 's changed ,


If  can we turn that just  that  that let


If  can we turn that just  that  that let

The fl the fluorescent light is flickering.


If  can we turn that just  that  that let

The fl the fluorescent light is flickering.

Uh , let the record show the light is flickering.


The fl the fluorescent light is flickering.

Uh , let the record show the light is flickering.


Uh , let the record show the light is flickering.


For a little while I thought it was just that I was really tired.


That and y  Too much caffeine and really tired ,


That and y  Too much caffeine and really tired ,

but then I thought " no , maybe that 's real ".


but then I thought " no , maybe that 's real ".


but then I thought " no , maybe that 's real ".

I thought it was the projector for a moment. It was like , " what 's going on ? "


I thought it was the projector for a moment. It was like , " what 's going on ? "


I thought it was the projector for a moment. It was like , " what 's going on ? "

the question I had about queries was , um , so what we 're planning to do is have people look at the summaries and then generate queries ? Are  are we gonna try and o


I thought it was the projector for a moment. It was like , " what 's going on ? "

the question I had about queries was , um , so what we 're planning to do is have people look at the summaries and then generate queries ? Are  are we gonna try and o

We  we 've just been talking , how do we generate queries ?


the question I had about queries was , um , so what we 're planning to do is have people look at the summaries and then generate queries ? Are  are we gonna try and o

We  we 've just been talking , how do we generate queries ?


We  we 've just been talking , how do we generate queries ?

so , the question I had is is have we given any thought to how we would generate queries automatically given a summary ? I mean , I think that 's a whole research topic un unto itself ,


so , the question I had is is have we given any thought to how we would generate queries automatically given a summary ? I mean , I think that 's a whole research topic un unto itself ,


so , the question I had is is have we given any thought to how we would generate queries automatically given a summary ? I mean , I think that 's a whole research topic un unto itself ,

so that it may not be a feasible thing. But


so that it may not be a feasible thing. But

Shouldn't Landay and his group be in charge of figuring out how to do this ?


Shouldn't Landay and his group be in charge of figuring out how to do this ?

I mean , this is an issue that goes a little bit beyond where  we are right now.


I mean , this is an issue that goes a little bit beyond where  we are right now.


Someone wants to know when you 're getting picked up. Is someone picking you up ?


Someone wants to know when you 're getting picked up. Is someone picking you up ?

Well , you still wanted to talk with Liz.


Someone wants to know when you 're getting picked up. Is someone picking you up ?

Well , you still wanted to talk with Liz.

Let 's see , you and I need dis Uh , no , we did the Liz talk.


Well , you still wanted to talk with Liz.

Let 's see , you and I need dis Uh , no , we did the Liz talk.

And you and I need to Oh , oh. You already did the Liz talk.


Well , you still wanted to talk with Liz.

Let 's see , you and I need dis Uh , no , we did the Liz talk.

And you and I need to Oh , oh. You already did the Liz talk.

Yeah. So  so that was the prosody thing.


Let 's see , you and I need dis Uh , no , we did the Liz talk.

And you and I need to Oh , oh. You already did the Liz talk.

Yeah. So  so that was the prosody thing.


And you and I need to Oh , oh. You already did the Liz talk.

Yeah. So  so that was the prosody thing.


Yeah. So  so that was the prosody thing.


We need to  finish this discussion , and you and I need a little time for wrap - up and quad chart. So ,


Um , what  what 's the plan for this discussion ? We should


Um , what  what 's the plan for this discussion ? We should

Um , I think we should be able to wind up in another half - hour or something , you think ?


Um , I think we should be able to wind up in another half - hour or something , you think ?


It 's interesting that he 's got , like ,  this discussion free


It 's interesting that he 's got , like ,  this discussion free

Well , I mean , we still haven't talked about the action items from here and so on.


Well , I mean , we still haven't talked about the action items from here and so on.


e e why don't you say five - thirty ? I don't


e e why don't you say five - thirty ? I don't

Is that OK ? We 'll probably hit horrible traffic.


Is that OK ? We 'll probably hit horrible traffic.


Well , in answer to " is it Landay 's problem ? " , um , he doesn't have a student who 's interested right now in doing anything. So he has very little manpower. Um , there 's very little allocated for him and also he 's pretty focused on user interface. So I don't think he wants to do information retrieval , query generation , that sort of stuff.


Well , in answer to " is it Landay 's problem ? " , um , he doesn't have a student who 's interested right now in doing anything. So he has very little manpower. Um , there 's very little allocated for him and also he 's pretty focused on user interface. So I don't think he wants to do information retrieval , query generation , that sort of stuff.

Yeah , well there 's gonna be these student projects that can do some things but it can't be , yeah , very deep. u I  I actually think that  that , uh , again , just as a bootstrap ,  if we do have something like summaries , then having the people who are involved in the meetings themselves , who are cooperative and willing to do yet more , come up with  with  with queries , uh , could at least give  give Landay an idea of the kind of things that people might want to know. I mean , ye Right ? If he doesn't know anything about the area , and  the people are talking about and  and , uh


Well , in answer to " is it Landay 's problem ? " , um , he doesn't have a student who 's interested right now in doing anything. So he has very little manpower. Um , there 's very little allocated for him and also he 's pretty focused on user interface. So I don't think he wants to do information retrieval , query generation , that sort of stuff.

Yeah , well there 's gonna be these student projects that can do some things but it can't be , yeah , very deep. u I  I actually think that  that , uh , again , just as a bootstrap ,  if we do have something like summaries , then having the people who are involved in the meetings themselves , who are cooperative and willing to do yet more , come up with  with  with queries , uh , could at least give  give Landay an idea of the kind of things that people might want to know. I mean , ye Right ? If he doesn't know anything about the area , and  the people are talking about and  and , uh

But the people will just look at the summaries or the minutes and re and sort of back - generate the queries. That 's what I 'm worried about. So you might as well just give him the summaries.


Yeah , well there 's gonna be these student projects that can do some things but it can't be , yeah , very deep. u I  I actually think that  that , uh , again , just as a bootstrap ,  if we do have something like summaries , then having the people who are involved in the meetings themselves , who are cooperative and willing to do yet more , come up with  with  with queries , uh , could at least give  give Landay an idea of the kind of things that people might want to know. I mean , ye Right ? If he doesn't know anything about the area , and  the people are talking about and  and , uh

But the people will just look at the summaries or the minutes and re and sort of back - generate the queries. That 's what I 'm worried about. So you might as well just give him the summaries.


But the people will just look at the summaries or the minutes and re and sort of back - generate the queries. That 's what I 'm worried about. So you might as well just give him the summaries.


Well , I 'm not sure  I 'm not sure that 's a solved problem.


Well , I 'm not sure  I 'm not sure that 's a solved problem.

Right ? Of how to  how to generate queries from a


Right ? Of how to  how to generate queries from a


That was sort of what my  question was  aimed towards.


That was sort of what my  question was  aimed towards.

So what you want to h to do is , people who were there , who later see , uh , minutes and s put in summary form , which is not gonna be at the same time as the meeting. There 's no way that can happen. Are we gonna later go over it


So what you want to h to do is , people who were there , who later see , uh , minutes and s put in summary form , which is not gonna be at the same time as the meeting. There 's no way that can happen. Are we gonna later go over it


and , like , make up some stuff to which these notes would be an answer , or  or a deeper  Yeah. I mean


and , like , make up some stuff to which these notes would be an answer , or  or a deeper  Yeah. I mean

But that 's done off  they have to do that off - line.


But that 's done off  they have to do that off - line.


But that 's done off  they have to do that off - line.

I 'm also wondering if we could ask the  the people a  a question which would be " what was the most interesting thing you got out of this meeting ? " Becau - in terms of like informativeness ,


I 'm also wondering if we could ask the  the people a  a question which would be " what was the most interesting thing you got out of this meeting ? " Becau - in terms of like informativeness ,


I 'm also wondering if we could ask the  the people a  a question which would be " what was the most interesting thing you got out of this meeting ? " Becau - in terms of like informativeness ,

it might be , you know , that the summary would  would not in even include what the person thought was the most interesting fact.


I 'm also wondering if we could ask the  the people a  a question which would be " what was the most interesting thing you got out of this meeting ? " Becau - in terms of like informativeness ,

it might be , you know , that the summary would  would not in even include what the person thought was the most interesting fact.

I would think that would be the most likely thing.


it might be , you know , that the summary would  would not in even include what the person thought was the most interesting fact.

I would think that would be the most likely thing.


I would think that would be the most likely thing.

But actually I would say that 's a better thing to ask than have them summarize the meeting.


But actually I would say that 's a better thing to ask than have them summarize the meeting.

I think you get two different types of information.


I think you get two different types of information.

Because you get , like , the general structure of important points and what the  what the meeting was about.


Because you get , like , the general structure of important points and what the  what the meeting was about.


So you get the general structure , the important points of what the meeting was about  with the summary. But with the " what 's the most interesting thing you learned ? "  Uh , so the fact that , uh , I know that Transcriber uses Snack is something that I thought was interesting


So you get the general structure , the important points of what the meeting was about  with the summary. But with the " what 's the most interesting thing you learned ? "  Uh , so the fact that , uh , I know that Transcriber uses Snack is something that I thought was interesting

and that  and that Dan worked on  on that. So I thought that was really  you know. So , I mean , you could ge pick up some of the micro items that wouldn't even occur as major headings


and that  and that Dan worked on  on that. So I thought that was really  you know. So , I mean , you could ge pick up some of the micro items that wouldn't even occur as major headings


and that  and that Dan worked on  on that. So I thought that was really  you know. So , I mean , you could ge pick up some of the micro items that wouldn't even occur as major headings

Yeah , that 's actually a really good idea.


Yeah , that 's actually a really good idea.

I think it wouldn't be too , uh , uh , cost - intensive either. You know , I mean , it 's like something someone can do pretty easily on the spur of the moment.


Yeah , that 's actually a really good idea.

I think it wouldn't be too , uh , uh , cost - intensive either. You know , I mean , it 's like something someone can do pretty easily on the spur of the moment.

Are you thinking about just asking one participant or all of them ?


I think it wouldn't be too , uh , uh , cost - intensive either. You know , I mean , it 's like something someone can do pretty easily on the spur of the moment.

Are you thinking about just asking one participant or all of them ?


Are you thinking about just asking one participant or all of them ?

Yeah. Cuz you 'll get  cuz you 'll get very different answers from everybody , right ?


Yeah. Cuz you 'll get  cuz you 'll get very different answers from everybody , right ?

and then  Yeah. That 's why I was wondering.


Yeah. Cuz you 'll get  cuz you 'll get very different answers from everybody , right ?

and then  Yeah. That 's why I was wondering.

Well , maybe one thing we could do is for the meetings we 've already done  I mean , I  we didn't take minutes and we don't have summaries. But , uh , people could , like , listen to them a little bit and  generate some queries.


and then  Yeah. That 's why I was wondering.

Well , maybe one thing we could do is for the meetings we 've already done  I mean , I  we didn't take minutes and we don't have summaries. But , uh , people could , like , listen to them a little bit and  generate some queries.


Well , maybe one thing we could do is for the meetings we 've already done  I mean , I  we didn't take minutes and we don't have summaries. But , uh , people could , like , listen to them a little bit and  generate some queries.

Of course Jane doesn't need to. I 'm sure you have that meeting memorized by now.


Of course Jane doesn't need to. I 'm sure you have that meeting memorized by now.

But actually it would be an easy thing to just go around the room and say  what was the most interesting thing you learned ,


But actually it would be an easy thing to just go around the room and say  what was the most interesting thing you learned ,


And that  I think it would pick up the micro - structure , the  some  some of the little things that would be hidden.


And that  I think it would pick up the micro - structure , the  some  some of the little things that would be hidden.

And  and that might be something people are willing to stay for.


And that  I think it would pick up the micro - structure , the  some  some of the little things that would be hidden.

And  and that might be something people are willing to stay for.

Boy , I  I don't know how we get at this


And  and that might be something people are willing to stay for.

Boy , I  I don't know how we get at this

Yeah , but when you go around the room you might just get the effect that somebody says something


Boy , I  I don't know how we get at this

Yeah , but when you go around the room you might just get the effect that somebody says something


Yeah , but when you go around the room you might just get the effect that somebody says something

and then you go around the room and they say " yeah , me too , I agree. "


and then you go around the room and they say " yeah , me too , I agree. "


On the other hand people might try and come up with different ones , right ?


On the other hand people might try and come up with different ones , right ?

They might say " oh , I was gonna say that one but now I have to think of something else ".


On the other hand people might try and come up with different ones , right ?

They might say " oh , I was gonna say that one but now I have to think of something else ".

Well , you have the other thing , that  that they know why we 're doing it. We 'll  I mean , we 'll  we 'll be telling them that the reason we 're trying to do this is  is to d generate queries in the future , so try to pick things that other people didn't say.


They might say " oh , I was gonna say that one but now I have to think of something else ".

Well , you have the other thing , that  that they know why we 're doing it. We 'll  I mean , we 'll  we 'll be telling them that the reason we 're trying to do this is  is to d generate queries in the future , so try to pick things that other people didn't say.

It 's gonna take some thought. I mean , It seemed   The kind of , uh , interest that I had in this thing initially was , uh , that i basically the form that you 're doing something else  later ,


Well , you have the other thing , that  that they know why we 're doing it. We 'll  I mean , we 'll  we 'll be telling them that the reason we 're trying to do this is  is to d generate queries in the future , so try to pick things that other people didn't say.

It 's gonna take some thought. I mean , It seemed   The kind of , uh , interest that I had in this thing initially was , uh , that i basically the form that you 're doing something else  later ,

and you want to pick up something from this meeting related to the something else. So it 's really the imp the  the list of what 's important 's in the something else


It 's gonna take some thought. I mean , It seemed   The kind of , uh , interest that I had in this thing initially was , uh , that i basically the form that you 're doing something else  later ,

and you want to pick up something from this meeting related to the something else. So it 's really the imp the  the list of what 's important 's in the something else


and you want to pick up something from this meeting related to the something else. So it 's really the imp the  the list of what 's important 's in the something else


And it might be something minor  of minor importance to the meeting.


And it might be something minor  of minor importance to the meeting.

Uh , in fact if  if it was really major , if it 's the thing that really stuck in your head , then you might not need to go back and  and  and check on it even. So it 's  it 's that you 're trying to find   You 're  you 've now  You weren't interested  Say I  I said " well , I wasn't that much interested in dialogue , I 'm more of an acoustics person ".


Uh , in fact if  if it was really major , if it 's the thing that really stuck in your head , then you might not need to go back and  and  and check on it even. So it 's  it 's that you 're trying to find   You 're  you 've now  You weren't interested  Say I  I said " well , I wasn't that much interested in dialogue , I 'm more of an acoustics person ".


Uh , in fact if  if it was really major , if it 's the thing that really stuck in your head , then you might not need to go back and  and  and check on it even. So it 's  it 's that you 're trying to find   You 're  you 've now  You weren't interested  Say I  I said " well , I wasn't that much interested in dialogue , I 'm more of an acoustics person ".

But  but thr three months from now if for some reason I get really interested in dialogue , and I 'm " well what is  what was that part that  that  that , uh , Mari was saying ? "


Uh , in fact if  if it was really major , if it 's the thing that really stuck in your head , then you might not need to go back and  and  and check on it even. So it 's  it 's that you 're trying to find   You 're  you 've now  You weren't interested  Say I  I said " well , I wasn't that much interested in dialogue , I 'm more of an acoustics person ".

But  but thr three months from now if for some reason I get really interested in dialogue , and I 'm " well what is  what was that part that  that  that , uh , Mari was saying ? "

Yeah , like Jim Bass says " add a few lines on dialogue in your next perf "


But  but thr three months from now if for some reason I get really interested in dialogue , and I 'm " well what is  what was that part that  that  that , uh , Mari was saying ? "

Yeah , like Jim Bass says " add a few lines on dialogue in your next perf "


Yeah , like Jim Bass says " add a few lines on dialogue in your next perf "


And then I 'm trying to fi I mean , that 's  that 's when I look  in general when I look things up most , is when it 's something that  didn't really stick in my head the first time around and  but for some  new reason I 'm  I 'm  I 'm interested in  in  in the old stuff.


And then I 'm trying to fi I mean , that 's  that 's when I look  in general when I look things up most , is when it 's something that  didn't really stick in my head the first time around and  but for some  new reason I 'm  I 'm  I 'm interested in  in  in the old stuff.

But that  that 's gonna be very hard to generate.


But that  that 's gonna be very hard to generate.


and  and I think that 's half of what i I would use it for. But I also a lot of times um , make  you know , think to myself " this is interesting ,


and  and I think that 's half of what i I would use it for. But I also a lot of times um , make  you know , think to myself " this is interesting ,

I 've gotta come back and follow up on it ".


I 've gotta come back and follow up on it ".

So , things that I think are interesting , um , I would be , uh , wanting to do a query about. And also , I like the idea of going around the room , because if somebody else thought something was interesting , I 'd kind of want to know about it and then I 'd want to follow up on it.


So , things that I think are interesting , um , I would be , uh , wanting to do a query about. And also , I like the idea of going around the room , because if somebody else thought something was interesting , I 'd kind of want to know about it and then I 'd want to follow up on it.

Yeah. That  that might get at some of what I was  I was concerned about , uh , being interested in something later that w uh , I didn't consider to be important the first time , which for me is actually the dominant thing , because if I thought it was really important it tends to stick more than if I didn't , but some new  task comes along that makes me want to look up.


So , things that I think are interesting , um , I would be , uh , wanting to do a query about. And also , I like the idea of going around the room , because if somebody else thought something was interesting , I 'd kind of want to know about it and then I 'd want to follow up on it.

Yeah. That  that might get at some of what I was  I was concerned about , uh , being interested in something later that w uh , I didn't consider to be important the first time , which for me is actually the dominant thing , because if I thought it was really important it tends to stick more than if I didn't , but some new  task comes along that makes me want to look up.

But  But what 's interesting to me may not b have been interesting to you.


Yeah. That  that might get at some of what I was  I was concerned about , uh , being interested in something later that w uh , I didn't consider to be important the first time , which for me is actually the dominant thing , because if I thought it was really important it tends to stick more than if I didn't , but some new  task comes along that makes me want to look up.

But  But what 's interesting to me may not b have been interesting to you.

Yeah. So having multiple people might get at some of that.


But  But what 's interesting to me may not b have been interesting to you.

Yeah. So having multiple people might get at some of that.


Yeah. So having multiple people might get at some of that.

Yeah , I  I think  you can't get at all of it ,


Yeah , I  I think  you can't get at all of it ,


Yeah , I  I think  you can't get at all of it ,

right ? W we just need to start somewhere.


right ? W we just need to start somewhere.


right ? W we just need to start somewhere.

The question  the question then is h h how much bias do we introduce by  you know , introduce by saying , you know , this was important now and , you know , maybe tha something else is important later ?


The question  the question then is h h how much bias do we introduce by  you know , introduce by saying , you know , this was important now and , you know , maybe tha something else is important later ?


The question  the question then is h h how much bias do we introduce by  you know , introduce by saying , you know , this was important now and , you know , maybe tha something else is important later ?

I mean , does it  does the bias matter ? I  I don't know. I mean , uh , that 's , I guess , a question for you guys. But


The question  the question then is h h how much bias do we introduce by  you know , introduce by saying , you know , this was important now and , you know , maybe tha something else is important later ?

I mean , does it  does the bias matter ? I  I don't know. I mean , uh , that 's , I guess , a question for you guys. But

Well , and  and one thing , we  we 're saying " important " and we 're saying " interesting ".


I mean , does it  does the bias matter ? I  I don't know. I mean , uh , that 's , I guess , a question for you guys. But

Well , and  and one thing , we  we 're saying " important " and we 're saying " interesting ".


I mean , does it  does the bias matter ? I  I don't know. I mean , uh , that 's , I guess , a question for you guys. But

Well , and  and one thing , we  we 're saying " important " and we 're saying " interesting ".

And  and those  those can be two different things.


Well , and  and one thing , we  we 're saying " important " and we 're saying " interesting ".

And  and those  those can be two different things.


And  and those  those can be two different things.

Sure , sure. But I  I  I guess that 's the question , really , is that  I mean ,


Sure , sure. But I  I  I guess that 's the question , really , is that  I mean ,

does building queries based on what 's important now introduce an irreversible bias on being able to do what Morgan wants to do later ?


does building queries based on what 's important now introduce an irreversible bias on being able to do what Morgan wants to do later ?


I  I  I mean , I guess what I what I  I keep coming back to in my own mind is that , um , the soonest we can do it , we need to get up some kind of system


I  I  I mean , I guess what I what I  I keep coming back to in my own mind is that , um , the soonest we can do it , we need to get up some kind of system

so that people who 've been involved in the meeting can go back later , even if it 's a poor system in some ways , and , uh  and ask the questions that they actually want to know. If  you know , if  uh , as soon as we can get that going at any kind of level , then I think we 'll have a much better handle on what kind of questions people want to ask than in any  anything we do before that. But obviously we have to bootstrap somehow ,


so that people who 've been involved in the meeting can go back later , even if it 's a poor system in some ways , and , uh  and ask the questions that they actually want to know. If  you know , if  uh , as soon as we can get that going at any kind of level , then I think we 'll have a much better handle on what kind of questions people want to ask than in any  anything we do before that. But obviously we have to bootstrap somehow ,


I will say that  that I  I chose " interesting " because I think it includes also " important " in some cases. But , um , I  I  I feel like the summary gets  at a different type of information.


I will say that  that I  I chose " interesting " because I think it includes also " important " in some cases. But , um , I  I  I feel like the summary gets  at a different type of information.

I think " important " can often be uninteresting.


I will say that  that I  I chose " interesting " because I think it includes also " important " in some cases. But , um , I  I  I feel like the summary gets  at a different type of information.

I think " important " can often be uninteresting.

Mmm. And " interesting " is more interesting than " important ".


I think " important " can often be uninteresting.

Mmm. And " interesting " is more interesting than " important ".


Mmm. And " interesting " is more interesting than " important ".

Well , and  and also  i it puts a lot of burden on the person to  to evaluate. You know , I think inter " interesting " is  is non - threatening in


Well , and  and also  i it puts a lot of burden on the person to  to evaluate. You know , I think inter " interesting " is  is non - threatening in


generati  generating an interesting summary ,  um


generati  generating an interesting summary ,  um

No , i in the interest of generating some minutes here , uh , and also moving on to action items and other things , let me just go through the things that I wrote down as being important , um , that we at least decided on. CrossPads we were going to try , um , if Landay can get the , uh  get them to  to you guys , um , and see if they 're interesting. And if they are , then we 'll try to get m do it more. Um , getting electronic summary from a note - taking person if they happen to do it anyway.


No , i in the interest of generating some minutes here , uh , and also moving on to action items and other things , let me just go through the things that I wrote down as being important , um , that we at least decided on. CrossPads we were going to try , um , if Landay can get the , uh  get them to  to you guys , um , and see if they 're interesting. And if they are , then we 'll try to get m do it more. Um , getting electronic summary from a note - taking person if they happen to do it anyway.

Um , getting  just , uh , digital pictures  a couple digital pictures of the  the table and boards to set the context of the meeting. Uh , and then going around the room at the end to just say  qu ask people to mention something interesting that they learned. So rather than say the most interesting thing , something interesting ,


Um , getting  just , uh , digital pictures  a couple digital pictures of the  the table and boards to set the context of the meeting. Uh , and then going around the room at the end to just say  qu ask people to mention something interesting that they learned. So rather than say the most interesting thing , something interesting ,


I wouldn't even say that " that they learned ".


Uh , you might want to mention something that  that you brought up.


Uh , you might want to mention something that  that you brought up.

" Thing  that was  discussed. " And then the last thing c would be for those people who are willing to stay afterwards and give an oral summary.


Uh , you might want to mention something that  that you brought up.

" Thing  that was  discussed. " And then the last thing c would be for those people who are willing to stay afterwards and give an oral summary.

OK ? Does that pretty much cover everything we talked about ? That  well , that we want to do ?


" Thing  that was  discussed. " And then the last thing c would be for those people who are willing to stay afterwards and give an oral summary.

OK ? Does that pretty much cover everything we talked about ? That  well , that we want to do ?

Mm - hmm. A And one  and one qualification on  on the oral summaries. They 'd be s they 'd be separate. They wouldn't be hearing each other 's summaries.


OK ? Does that pretty much cover everything we talked about ? That  well , that we want to do ?

Mm - hmm. A And one  and one qualification on  on the oral summaries. They 'd be s they 'd be separate. They wouldn't be hearing each other 's summaries.


OK ? Does that pretty much cover everything we talked about ? That  well , that we want to do ?

Mm - hmm. A And one  and one qualification on  on the oral summaries. They 'd be s they 'd be separate. They wouldn't be hearing each other 's summaries.

Yeah , that 's like  n I think that 's gonna predominantly end up being whoever  takes down the equipment then.


Mm - hmm. A And one  and one qualification on  on the oral summaries. They 'd be s they 'd be separate. They wouldn't be hearing each other 's summaries.

Yeah , that 's like  n I think that 's gonna predominantly end up being whoever  takes down the equipment then.

And  and that would also be that the data would be included in the database.


Yeah , that 's like  n I think that 's gonna predominantly end up being whoever  takes down the equipment then.

And  and that would also be that the data would be included in the database.


And  and that would also be that the data would be included in the database.


I mean , there is still this hope that people might actually think of real queries they really want to ask at some point.


I mean , there is still this hope that people might actually think of real queries they really want to ask at some point.

And that if  if that ever should happen , then we should try and write them down.


And that if  if that ever should happen , then we should try and write them down.


Well , and again , if we can figure out a way to jimmy a  a  a  a very rough system , say in a year , then  uh , so that in the second and third years we  we actually have something to


Well , and again , if we can figure out a way to jimmy a  a  a  a very rough system , say in a year , then  uh , so that in the second and third years we  we actually have something to

Play with and generate real queries from.


Play with and generate real queries from.


I think  I just wanted to say one thing about queries. I mean ,   the level of the query could be , you know , very low - level or very high - level. And it gets fuzzier and fuzzier as you go up , right ?


I think  I just wanted to say one thing about queries. I mean ,   the level of the query could be , you know , very low - level or very high - level. And it gets fuzzier and fuzzier as you go up , right ?

So you need to have some sort of  if you start working with queries , some way of identifying what the  you know , if this is something that requires a  a one - word answer or it 's one place in the recording versus was there general agreement on this issue of all the people who ha


So you need to have some sort of  if you start working with queries , some way of identifying what the  you know , if this is something that requires a  a one - word answer or it 's one place in the recording versus was there general agreement on this issue of all the people who ha

You know , you can gen you can ask queries that are meaningful for people.


You know , you can gen you can ask queries that are meaningful for people.

In fact , they 're very meaningful cuz they 're very high - level. But they won't exist anywhere in the  a you know


You know , you can gen you can ask queries that are meaningful for people.

In fact , they 're very meaningful cuz they 're very high - level. But they won't exist anywhere in the  a you know

Absolutely. So I think we 're gonna have to start with keywords


In fact , they 're very meaningful cuz they 're very high - level. But they won't exist anywhere in the  a you know

Absolutely. So I think we 're gonna have to start with keywords


In fact , they 're very meaningful cuz they 're very high - level. But they won't exist anywhere in the  a you know

Absolutely. So I think we 're gonna have to start with keywords

and  and if someone becomes more interested we could work our way up.


Absolutely. So I think we 're gonna have to start with keywords

and  and if someone becomes more interested we could work our way up.

I I 'm  I I 'm not so sure I agree with that.


and  and if someone becomes more interested we could work our way up.

I I 'm  I I 'm not so sure I agree with that.


I I 'm  I I 'm not so sure I agree with that.

Because  uh , b because it depends on , uh , what our goal is.


Because  uh , b because it depends on , uh , what our goal is.


Because  uh , b because it depends on , uh , what our goal is.

If our goal is Wizard of Oz - ish , we might want to know what is it that people would really like to know about this data.


If our goal is Wizard of Oz - ish , we might want to know what is it that people would really like to know about this data.

And if it 's  if  if it 's something that we don't know how to do yet , th great ,


And if it 's  if  if it 's something that we don't know how to do yet , th great ,


that 's , you know , research project for year four or something.


Yeah , I was thinking about Wizard of Oz , but it requires the wizard to know all about the meetings.


Yeah , I was thinking about Wizard of Oz , but it requires the wizard to know all about the meetings.

Um , well , not  maybe not true Wizard of Oz


Um , well , not  maybe not true Wizard of Oz


Get people to ask questions that they def the machine definitely can't answer at the moment ,


Get people to ask questions that they def the machine definitely can't answer at the moment ,

Yeah. w Just " what would you like to know ? "


Yeah. w Just " what would you like to know ? "


But that  neither could anyone else , though , is what , uh , my point is.


But that  neither could anyone else , though , is what , uh , my point is.

I I was wondering if  if there might be one s more source of queries which is indicator phrases like " action item " ,


I I was wondering if  if there might be one s more source of queries which is indicator phrases like " action item " ,

which could be obtained from the text  from the transcript.


which could be obtained from the text  from the transcript.


which could be obtained from the text  from the transcript.

Dates maybe. I don't know. That 's something I always forget.


Dates maybe. I don't know. That 's something I always forget.

Yeah , that 's something to be determined , something to be specified ,


Dates maybe. I don't know. That 's something I always forget.

Yeah , that 's something to be determined , something to be specified ,

Well , probably if you have to sit there at the end of a meeting and say one thing you remember , it 's probably whatever action item was assigned to you.


Yeah , that 's something to be determined , something to be specified ,

Well , probably if you have to sit there at the end of a meeting and say one thing you remember , it 's probably whatever action item was assigned to you.

I mean , in gen that 's all I remember from most meetings.


Well , probably if you have to sit there at the end of a meeting and say one thing you remember , it 's probably whatever action item was assigned to you.

I mean , in gen that 's all I remember from most meetings.


I mean , in gen that 's all I remember from most meetings.


I mean , in gen that 's all I remember from most meetings.

So , in general , I mean , that could be something you could say , right ? I 'm supposed to  do this. It  it doesn't


So , in general , I mean , that could be something you could say , right ? I 'm supposed to  do this. It  it doesn't

Yeah , that 's true. Well , but then you could  you could prompt them to say , you know , " other than your action item " , you know , whatever.


So , in general , I mean , that could be something you could say , right ? I 'm supposed to  do this. It  it doesn't

Yeah , that 's true. Well , but then you could  you could prompt them to say , you know , " other than your action item " , you know , whatever.

But  but the action item would be a way to get , uh , maybe an additional query.


Yeah , that 's true. Well , but then you could  you could prompt them to say , you know , " other than your action item " , you know , whatever.

But  but the action item would be a way to get , uh , maybe an additional query.

I mean , that 's realistically what people might  well be remembering.


But  but the action item would be a way to get , uh , maybe an additional query.

I mean , that 's realistically what people might  well be remembering.


I mean , that 's realistically what people might  well be remembering.


Yeah. Well , but  you know , but you could get again @ @


Yeah. Well , but  you know , but you could get again @ @

Well , we 're piloting. We 'll just do it and see what happens.


Well , we 're piloting. We 'll just do it and see what happens.


I usually don't remember my action items. But   I 'd  I


I usually don't remember my action items. But   I 'd  I

OK - OK. Speaking of action items , can we move on to action items ?


OK - OK. Speaking of action items , can we move on to action items ?


Um , or maybe we should wait until the summary of this  until this meeting is transcribed and then we will hav


somewhere up there we had milestones , but I guess  Did y did you get enough milestone , uh , from the description things ?


somewhere up there we had milestones , but I guess  Did y did you get enough milestone , uh , from the description things ?

I got  Yeah. In fact , why don't you hand me those transparencies so that I remember to take them. eee ,


I got  Yeah. In fact , why don't you hand me those transparencies so that I remember to take them. eee ,

And , you know , there 's obviously  detail behind each of those , as much as is needed. So , you just have to  let us know.


And , you know , there 's obviously  detail behind each of those , as much as is needed. So , you just have to  let us know.

OK. What I have down for action items is we 're supposed to find out about our human subject , um ,  requirements.


OK. What I have down for action items is we 're supposed to find out about our human subject , um ,  requirements.


people are supposed to send me U R for their  for web pages , to c and I 'll put together an overall cover. And you 're s


And  and you also need to look at your web page


Mailing list ? Uh , you need to put together a mailing list.


uh , I need to email Adam or Jane , um , about getting the data. Who should I email ?


uh , I need to email Adam or Jane , um , about getting the data. Who should I email ?

My July is really very crowded. And so , uh


My July is really very crowded. And so , uh

How about if I just c Uh , Right now all I want  I personally only want text data. I think the only thing Jeff would do anything with right now  But I 'm just speaking fr based on a conversation with him two weeks ago I had in Turkey. But I think all he would want is the digits. Um , but I 'll just speak for myself. I 'm interested in getting the language model data. Eh , so I 'm just interested in getting transcriptions.


How about if I just c Uh , Right now all I want  I personally only want text data. I think the only thing Jeff would do anything with right now  But I 'm just speaking fr based on a conversation with him two weeks ago I had in Turkey. But I think all he would want is the digits. Um , but I 'll just speak for myself. I 'm interested in getting the language model data. Eh , so I 'm just interested in getting transcriptions.


You could email to both of us , uh , just  I mean , if you wanted to.


You could email to both of us , uh , just  I mean , if you wanted to.

I mean , I don't think either of us would mind recei


I mean , I don't think either of us would mind recei


I mean , I don't think either of us would mind recei

but  but in any case I 'd be happy to send you the


but  but in any case I 'd be happy to send you the


In  in our phone call , uh , before , we  we , uh  It turns out the way we 're gonna send the data is by , uh , And , uh  and then what they 're gonna do is take the CD - ROM and transfer it to analog tape and  give it to a transcription service , uh , that will


Uh , so do they  How are they gonna do the multi - channel ?


and then there will be some things  you know , many things that don't work out well. And that 'll go back to IBM and they 'll  they 'll , uh  they run their aligner on it and it kicks out things that don't work well , which  you know , the overlaps will certainly be examples of that. And , uh  I mean , what w we will give them all of it. Right ?


and then there will be some things  you know , many things that don't work out well. And that 'll go back to IBM and they 'll  they 'll , uh  they run their aligner on it and it kicks out things that don't work well , which  you know , the overlaps will certainly be examples of that. And , uh  I mean , what w we will give them all of it. Right ?

We 'll give them all the  the multi - channel stuff


and then there will be some things  you know , many things that don't work out well. And that 'll go back to IBM and they 'll  they 'll , uh  they run their aligner on it and it kicks out things that don't work well , which  you know , the overlaps will certainly be examples of that. And , uh  I mean , what w we will give them all of it. Right ?

We 'll give them all the  the multi - channel stuff

So we 'll give them all sixteen channels


We 'll give them all the  the multi - channel stuff

So we 'll give them all sixteen channels


We 'll give them all the  the multi - channel stuff

So we 'll give them all sixteen channels

and they 'll do whatever they want with it.


So we 'll give them all sixteen channels

and they 'll do whatever they want with it.


and they 'll do whatever they want with it.

But you also should probably give them the mixed  You know , equal sound - level


But you also should probably give them the mixed  You know , equal sound - level


But you also should probably give them the mixed  You know , equal sound - level

I mean , they 're not gonna easily be able to do that , probably.


I mean , they 're not gonna easily be able to do that , probably.


It 's also won't be adding much to the data to give them the mixed.


Right. It doesn't  it isn't difficult for us to do ,


You should  that may be all that they want to send off to their  transcribers.


You should  that may be all that they want to send off to their  transcribers.

OK. Related to  to the conversation with Picheny , I need to email him , uh , my shipping address and you need to email them something which you already did.


You should  that may be all that they want to send off to their  transcribers.

OK. Related to  to the conversation with Picheny , I need to email him , uh , my shipping address and you need to email them something which you already did.

I did. I  I m emailed them the Transcriber URL , um , the on - line , uh , data that Adam set up , The URL so they can click on an utterance and hear it. and I emailed them the str streamlined conventions which you got a copy of today.


OK. Related to  to the conversation with Picheny , I need to email him , uh , my shipping address and you need to email them something which you already did.

I did. I  I m emailed them the Transcriber URL , um , the on - line , uh , data that Adam set up , The URL so they can click on an utterance and hear it. and I emailed them the str streamlined conventions which you got a copy of today.

Right. And I was gonna m email them the  which I haven't yet , a pointer to  to the web pages that we  that we currently have , cuz in particular they want to see the one with the  the way the recording room is set up


I did. I  I m emailed them the Transcriber URL , um , the on - line , uh , data that Adam set up , The URL so they can click on an utterance and hear it. and I emailed them the str streamlined conventions which you got a copy of today.

Right. And I was gonna m email them the  which I haven't yet , a pointer to  to the web pages that we  that we currently have , cuz in particular they want to see the one with the  the way the recording room is set up


Right. And I was gonna m email them the  which I haven't yet , a pointer to  to the web pages that we  that we currently have , cuz in particular they want to see the one with the  the way the recording room is set up


I C - I CC ' ed Morgan. I should have sent  I should have CC ' ed you as well.


I C - I CC ' ed Morgan. I should have sent  I should have CC ' ed you as well.

Not an immediate action item but something we do have to worry about is data formats for  for higher - level information.


Not an immediate action item but something we do have to worry about is data formats for  for higher - level information.


Not an immediate action item but something we do have to worry about is data formats for  for higher - level information.

Well , or d or not even higher level , different level , prosody and all that sort of stuff. We 're gonna have to figure out how we 're gonna annotate that.


Well , or d or not even higher level , different level , prosody and all that sort of stuff. We 're gonna have to figure out how we 're gonna annotate that.

Yeah. We never had our data format discussion.


Well , or d or not even higher level , different level , prosody and all that sort of stuff. We 're gonna have to figure out how we 're gonna annotate that.

Yeah. We never had our data format discussion.

Oh , I thought we did. We discussed , uh , musi musical score notation


Yeah. We never had our data format discussion.

Oh , I thought we did. We discussed , uh , musi musical score notation


Oh , I thought we did. We discussed , uh , musi musical score notation


W My  my u feeling right now on format is you guys have been doing all the work


W My  my u feeling right now on format is you guys have been doing all the work

and whatever you want , we 're happy to live with.


and whatever you want , we 're happy to live with.


but  Cuz I 'm not actually touching the data ,


So a key thing will be that you  we tell you


We also had the , uh , uh  that we were s uh , that you were gonna get us the eight - hundred number


We also had the , uh , uh  that we were s uh , that you were gonna get us the eight - hundred number

and we 're all gonna  we 're gonna call up your Communicator thing and  and we 're gonna be good slash bad , depending on how you define it , uh , users.


We also had the , uh , uh  that we were s uh , that you were gonna get us the eight - hundred number

and we 're all gonna  we 're gonna call up your Communicator thing and  and we 're gonna be good slash bad , depending on how you define it , uh , users.

Now , something that I mentioned earlier to Mari and Liz is that it 's probably important to get as many non - technical and non - speech people as possible in order to get some realistic users. So if you could ask other people to call and use our system , that 'd be good. Cuz we don't want people who already know how to deal with dialogue systems ,


and we 're all gonna  we 're gonna call up your Communicator thing and  and we 're gonna be good slash bad , depending on how you define it , uh , users.

Now , something that I mentioned earlier to Mari and Liz is that it 's probably important to get as many non - technical and non - speech people as possible in order to get some realistic users. So if you could ask other people to call and use our system , that 'd be good. Cuz we don't want people who already know how to deal with dialogue systems ,


and we 're all gonna  we 're gonna call up your Communicator thing and  and we 're gonna be good slash bad , depending on how you define it , uh , users.

Now , something that I mentioned earlier to Mari and Liz is that it 's probably important to get as many non - technical and non - speech people as possible in order to get some realistic users. So if you could ask other people to call and use our system , that 'd be good. Cuz we don't want people who already know how to deal with dialogue systems ,

who know that you shouldn't hyper - articulate , for instance , and things like that.


Now , something that I mentioned earlier to Mari and Liz is that it 's probably important to get as many non - technical and non - speech people as possible in order to get some realistic users. So if you could ask other people to call and use our system , that 'd be good. Cuz we don't want people who already know how to deal with dialogue systems ,

who know that you shouldn't hyper - articulate , for instance , and things like that.

Or , like if you have somebody who makes your  your plane reservations for you ,


who know that you shouldn't hyper - articulate , for instance , and things like that.

Or , like if you have somebody who makes your  your plane reservations for you ,


Or , like if you have somebody who makes your  your plane reservations for you ,


Yeah. e You know , it could  result in some good bloopers , which is always good for presentations. So  Um , anyway


Yeah. e You know , it could  result in some good bloopers , which is always good for presentations. So  Um , anyway

I think my father would last through the second prompt before he hang  hung up.


I think my father would last through the second prompt before he hang  hung up.

My mother would have a very interesting conversation with it


My mother would have a very interesting conversation with it

but it wouldn't have anything to do with the travel.


but it wouldn't have anything to do with the travel.


but it wouldn't have anything to do with the travel.

Let 's see , other action items. So I have the


Let 's see , other action items. So I have the

We talked about that we 're getting the recording equipment running at UW. And so it depends , w e e e they 're  you know , they 're p m If that comes together within the next month , there at least will be , uh , uh , major communications between Dan and  UW folks


Let 's see , other action items. So I have the

We talked about that we 're getting the recording equipment running at UW. And so it depends , w e e e they 're  you know , they 're p m If that comes together within the next month , there at least will be , uh , uh , major communications between Dan and  UW folks

I 'm  I 'm shooting to try to get it done  get it put together by  the beginning of August.


We talked about that we 're getting the recording equipment running at UW. And so it depends , w e e e they 're  you know , they 're p m If that comes together within the next month , there at least will be , uh , uh , major communications between Dan and  UW folks

I 'm  I 'm shooting to try to get it done  get it put together by  the beginning of August.


I 'm  I 'm shooting to try to get it done  get it put together by  the beginning of August.


But we have  it  it 's  it 's pretty  We don't know. I mean , he  he s uh , he said that it was sitting in some room collecting dust


But we have  it  it 's  it 's pretty  We don't know. I mean , he  he s uh , he said that it was sitting in some room collecting dust

i It 's probably unlikely that we 'll pull this off ,


i It 's probably unlikely that we 'll pull this off ,


W We know it 's eight channels. Uh , we know it 's digital.


W We know it 's eight channels. Uh , we know it 's digital.

We don't even know if there 're microphones. So , we 'll find out.


W We know it 's eight channels. Uh , we know it 's digital.

We don't even know if there 're microphones. So , we 'll find out.

OK. Um , and I will email these notes  Um , I 'm not sure what to do about action items for the data stuff , although , then somebody  I guess somebody needs to tell Landay that you want the pads.


We don't even know if there 're microphones. So , we 'll find out.

OK. Um , and I will email these notes  Um , I 'm not sure what to do about action items for the data stuff , although , then somebody  I guess somebody needs to tell Landay that you want the pads.


OK. Um , and I will email these notes  Um , I 'm not sure what to do about action items for the data stuff , although , then somebody  I guess somebody needs to tell Landay that you want the pads.

Um , and he also said something about outside  there  that came up about the outside text sources , that he  he may have


Um , and he also said something about outside  there  that came up about the outside text sources , that he  he may have


Um , and he also said something about outside  there  that came up about the outside text sources , that he  he may have

some text sources that are close enough to the sort of thing that we can play with them for a language model.


some text sources that are close enough to the sort of thing that we can play with them for a language model.


some text sources that are close enough to the sort of thing that we can play with them for a language model.

Yeah , that was  uh , that was  What he was saying was this  he  this thing that , uh , Jason had been working on finds web pages that are thematically related to what you 're talking about. Well , that 's the idea. So that that  that would be a source of text which is  supposedly got the right vocabulary.


Yeah , that was  uh , that was  What he was saying was this  he  this thing that , uh , Jason had been working on finds web pages that are thematically related to what you 're talking about. Well , that 's the idea. So that that  that would be a source of text which is  supposedly got the right vocabulary.


Yeah , that was  uh , that was  What he was saying was this  he  this thing that , uh , Jason had been working on finds web pages that are thematically related to what you 're talking about. Well , that 's the idea. So that that  that would be a source of text which is  supposedly got the right vocabulary.

But it 's obviously very different material. It 's not spoken material , for instance ,


But it 's obviously very different material. It 's not spoken material , for instance ,


But it 's obviously very different material. It 's not spoken material , for instance ,

But  but that 's actually what I wanna do. That 's  that 's what I wanna work with ,


But  but that 's actually what I wanna do. That 's  that 's what I wanna work with ,


But  but that 's actually what I wanna do. That 's  that 's what I wanna work with ,

is  is things that s the wrong material but the right da the right source.


is  is things that s the wrong material but the right da the right source.


Un - unfortunately Landay told me that Jason is not gonna be working on that anymore.


Un - unfortunately Landay told me that Jason is not gonna be working on that anymore.

Yeah. He seemed  when I asked him if he could actually supply data , he seemed a little bit more reluctant. So , I 'll  I 'll send him email. I 'll put it in an action item that I send him email about it. And if I get something , great. If I don't get something


Yeah. He seemed  when I asked him if he could actually supply data , he seemed a little bit more reluctant. So , I 'll  I 'll send him email. I 'll put it in an action item that I send him email about it. And if I get something , great. If I don't get something


you know , otherwise , if you guys have any papers or  I could  I could use , uh  I could use your web pages. That 's what we could do. You 've got all the web pages on the Meeting Recor


I  One less action item. I can use what web pages there are out there on meeting recorders.


I  One less action item. I can use what web pages there are out there on meeting recorders.

I mean , that  that 's  Yeah. Basically what his software does is h it picks out keywords and does a Google - like search.


I mean , that  that 's  Yeah. Basically what his software does is h it picks out keywords and does a Google - like search.


I mean , that  that 's  Yeah. Basically what his software does is h it picks out keywords and does a Google - like search.

Yeah. So we can  we can  we can do better than that.


Yeah. So we can  we can  we can do better than that.


There 's  there 's some , uh , Carnegie Mellon stuff , right ? On  on meeting recording ,


And there 's  You should l look under , like , intelligent environments ,


And there 's  You should l look under , like , intelligent environments ,

Um , the " Georgia Tech Classroom Two Thousand " is a good one.


Um , the " Georgia Tech Classroom Two Thousand " is a good one.


Um , the " Georgia Tech Classroom Two Thousand " is a good one.

Right. And then  Right. J There 's  th That 's where I thought you would want to eventually be able to have a board or a camera ,


Right. And then  Right. J There 's  th That 's where I thought you would want to eventually be able to have a board or a camera ,


Right. And then  Right. J There 's  th That 's where I thought you would want to eventually be able to have a board or a camera ,

Well , Georgia Tech did a very elaborate instrumented room.


Well , Georgia Tech did a very elaborate instrumented room.


Well , Georgia Tech did a very elaborate instrumented room.

And I want to try to stay away from that. So


And I want to try to stay away from that. So

OK. Great. That solves that problem. One less action item. Um  OK. I think that 's good enou that 's  that 's pretty much all I can think of.


And I want to try to stay away from that. So

OK. Great. That solves that problem. One less action item. Um  OK. I think that 's good enou that 's  that 's pretty much all I can think of.

Can I ask , uh , one thing ? It relates to data  data collection and I  and I 'd  and we mentioned earlier today , this question of  um , so , um , I s I know that from  with the near - field mikes some of the problems that come with overlapping speech , uh , are lessened. But I wonder if  Uh , is that sufficient or should we consider maybe getting some data gathered in such a way that , um , u w we would c uh , p have a meeting with less overlap than would otherwise be the case ? So either by rules of participation , or whatever.


OK. Great. That solves that problem. One less action item. Um  OK. I think that 's good enou that 's  that 's pretty much all I can think of.

Can I ask , uh , one thing ? It relates to data  data collection and I  and I 'd  and we mentioned earlier today , this question of  um , so , um , I s I know that from  with the near - field mikes some of the problems that come with overlapping speech , uh , are lessened. But I wonder if  Uh , is that sufficient or should we consider maybe getting some data gathered in such a way that , um , u w we would c uh , p have a meeting with less overlap than would otherwise be the case ? So either by rules of participation , or whatever.

Now , I mean , you know , it 's true , I mean , we were discussing this earlier , that depending on the task  so if you 've got someone giving a report you 're not gonna have as much overlap.


Can I ask , uh , one thing ? It relates to data  data collection and I  and I 'd  and we mentioned earlier today , this question of  um , so , um , I s I know that from  with the near - field mikes some of the problems that come with overlapping speech , uh , are lessened. But I wonder if  Uh , is that sufficient or should we consider maybe getting some data gathered in such a way that , um , u w we would c uh , p have a meeting with less overlap than would otherwise be the case ? So either by rules of participation , or whatever.

Now , I mean , you know , it 's true , I mean , we were discussing this earlier , that depending on the task  so if you 've got someone giving a report you 're not gonna have as much overlap.


Now , I mean , you know , it 's true , I mean , we were discussing this earlier , that depending on the task  so if you 've got someone giving a report you 're not gonna have as much overlap.

But , um , i i uh , so we 're gonna have s you know , non - overlapping samples anyway. But , um , in a meeting which would otherwise be highly overlapping , is the near - field mike enough or should we have some rules of participation for some of our samples to lessen the overlap ?


But , um , i i uh , so we 're gonna have s you know , non - overlapping samples anyway. But , um , in a meeting which would otherwise be highly overlapping , is the near - field mike enough or should we have some rules of participation for some of our samples to lessen the overlap ?


But , um , i i uh , so we 're gonna have s you know , non - overlapping samples anyway. But , um , in a meeting which would otherwise be highly overlapping , is the near - field mike enough or should we have some rules of participation for some of our samples to lessen the overlap ?

I don't think we should have rules of participation , but I think we should try to  get a variety of meetings. That 's something that if we get the  the meeting stuff going at UW , that I probably can do more than you guys ,


I don't think we should have rules of participation , but I think we should try to  get a variety of meetings. That 's something that if we get the  the meeting stuff going at UW , that I probably can do more than you guys ,