But my script can handle any. And their save format can handle any. And so , um , using this  the convention that Jane and I have discussed , you can have as many overlapping speakers as you want.

Do y is this a , uh , university project ?


But my script can handle any. And their save format can handle any. And so , um , using this  the convention that Jane and I have discussed , you can have as many overlapping speakers as you want.

Do y is this a , uh , university project ?

Th - this is the French software , right ?


Do y is this a , uh , university project ?

Th - this is the French software , right ?


Th - this is the French software , right ?


Th - this is the French software , right ?

Yeah. And they 're  they 've been quite responsive.


Yeah. And they 're  they 've been quite responsive.


Yeah. And they 're  they 've been quite responsive.

I 've been exchanging emails on various issues.


I 've been exchanging emails on various issues.


I 've been exchanging emails on various issues.

Uh , did you ask them to change the interface for more speakers ?


Uh , did you ask them to change the interface for more speakers ?

Yes , and they said that 's on  in  in the works for the next version.


Yes , and they said that 's on  in  in the works for the next version.


Multichannels was also  Well , they said they wanted to do it but that the code is really very organized around single channels. So I think that 's n unlikely to ha happen.


Multichannels was also  Well , they said they wanted to do it but that the code is really very organized around single channels. So I think that 's n unlikely to ha happen.

Do - do you know what they 're using it for ? Why 'd they develop it ?


Do - do you know what they 're using it for ? Why 'd they develop it ?


But I mean , are they  are they linguists or are they speech recognition people ?


They 're  they have some connection to the LDC cuz the LDC has been advising them on this process , the Linguistic Data Consortium. Um ,


They 're  they have some connection to the LDC cuz the LDC has been advising them on this process , the Linguistic Data Consortium. Um ,

It 's also  All the source is available.


It 's also  All the source is available.


And they have  they 've actually asked if we are willing to do any development and I said , well , maybe.


And they have  they 've actually asked if we are willing to do any development and I said , well , maybe.

So if we want  if we did  if we did something like programmed in a delay , which actually I think is a great idea , um , I 'm sure they would want that incorporated back in.


So if we want  if we did  if we did something like programmed in a delay , which actually I think is a great idea , um , I 'm sure they would want that incorporated back in.


Pre - lay. Well , and they 've thought about things. You know , I mean , they  they do have  So you have  when you  when you play it back , um , it 's  it is useful to have , uh , a  a break mark to  se segment it. But it wouldn't be strictly necessary cuz you can use the  uh , the tabbed key to toggle  the sound on and off. I mean , it 'll stop the s speech you know if you if you press a tab. And , um. And so , uh , that 's a nice feature. And then also once you 've put a break in then you have the option of  cycling through the unit. You could do it like multiply until you get  crazy and decide to stop cycling through that unit.


Pre - lay. Well , and they 've thought about things. You know , I mean , they  they do have  So you have  when you  when you play it back , um , it 's  it is useful to have , uh , a  a break mark to  se segment it. But it wouldn't be strictly necessary cuz you can use the  uh , the tabbed key to toggle  the sound on and off. I mean , it 'll stop the s speech you know if you if you press a tab. And , um. And so , uh , that 's a nice feature. And then also once you 've put a break in then you have the option of  cycling through the unit. You could do it like multiply until you get  crazy and decide to stop cycling through that unit.

Loop it ? Yo - you n you know , there 's al also the  the user interface that 's missing.


Pre - lay. Well , and they 've thought about things. You know , I mean , they  they do have  So you have  when you  when you play it back , um , it 's  it is useful to have , uh , a  a break mark to  se segment it. But it wouldn't be strictly necessary cuz you can use the  uh , the tabbed key to toggle  the sound on and off. I mean , it 'll stop the s speech you know if you if you press a tab. And , um. And so , uh , that 's a nice feature. And then also once you 've put a break in then you have the option of  cycling through the unit. You could do it like multiply until you get  crazy and decide to stop cycling through that unit.

Loop it ? Yo - you n you know , there 's al also the  the user interface that 's missing.

It 's missing from all of our offices , and that is some sort of analog input for something like this. It 's what audio people actually use of course. It 's something that wh  when you move your hand further , the sound goes faster past it , like fast forward. You know , like a joy stick or a  uh , you could wire a mouse or trackball to do something like that.


Loop it ? Yo - you n you know , there 's al also the  the user interface that 's missing.

It 's missing from all of our offices , and that is some sort of analog input for something like this. It 's what audio people actually use of course. It 's something that wh  when you move your hand further , the sound goes faster past it , like fast forward. You know , like a joy stick or a  uh , you could wire a mouse or trackball to do something like that.

Why , that 's  That 's not something I wanted to have happen.


It 's missing from all of our offices , and that is some sort of analog input for something like this. It 's what audio people actually use of course. It 's something that wh  when you move your hand further , the sound goes faster past it , like fast forward. You know , like a joy stick or a  uh , you could wire a mouse or trackball to do something like that.

Why , that 's  That 's not something I wanted to have happen.

No , but I 'm saying if this is what professionals who actually do this kind of thing for  for  for  m for video or for audio   where you  you need to do this ,


Why , that 's  That 's not something I wanted to have happen.

No , but I 'm saying if this is what professionals who actually do this kind of thing for  for  for  m for video or for audio   where you  you need to do this ,

and so you get very good at sort of jostling back and forth , rather than hitting tab , and backspace , and carriage return , and enter , and things like that.


No , but I 'm saying if this is what professionals who actually do this kind of thing for  for  for  m for video or for audio   where you  you need to do this ,

and so you get very good at sort of jostling back and forth , rather than hitting tab , and backspace , and carriage return , and enter , and things like that.


and so you get very good at sort of jostling back and forth , rather than hitting tab , and backspace , and carriage return , and enter , and things like that.


and so you get very good at sort of jostling back and forth , rather than hitting tab , and backspace , and carriage return , and enter , and things like that.

Yeah , we talked about things like foot pedals and other analog


Yeah , we talked about things like foot pedals and other analog


Yeah , we talked about things like foot pedals and other analog

So  I mean , tho those are things we could do but I  I just don't know how much it 's worth doing. I mean we 're just gonna have


So  I mean , tho those are things we could do but I  I just don't know how much it 's worth doing. I mean we 're just gonna have


Yeah , I  I agree. They  they have several options. So , uh , you know , I mentioned the looping option. Another option is it 'll pause when it reaches the end of the boundary. And then to get to the next boundary you just press tab


They thought about  and also it 'll  go around the c the , uh , I wanna say cursor but I 'm not sure if that 's the right thing.


They thought about  and also it 'll  go around the c the , uh , I wanna say cursor but I 'm not sure if that 's the right thing.

Anyway , you can  so they thought about different ways of having windows that you c uh work within ,


Anyway , you can  so they thought about different ways of having windows that you c uh work within ,

and  But so in terms of the con the conventions , then ,  uh , basically ,  uh , it 's strictly orthographic which means with some w provisions for , uh , w uh ,  colloquial forms. So if a person said , " cuz " instead of " because " then I put a   an apostrophe at the beginning of the word and then in  in double ang angle brackets what the full lexical item would be.


and  But so in terms of the con the conventions , then ,  uh , basically ,  uh , it 's strictly orthographic which means with some w provisions for , uh , w uh ,  colloquial forms. So if a person said , " cuz " instead of " because " then I put a   an apostrophe at the beginning of the word and then in  in double ang angle brackets what the full lexical item would be.

And this could be  something that was handled by a table or something but I think  to have a convention marking it as a non - standard or wha I don't mean standard  but a  a  a non  uh , ortho orthographic , uh , whatever.


And this could be  something that was handled by a table or something but I think  to have a convention marking it as a non - standard or wha I don't mean standard  but a  a  a non  uh , ortho orthographic , uh , whatever.


" Gonna " or " wanna " , you know , the same thing. And  and there would be limits to how much refinement you want in indicating something as non - standard pres pronunciation.


Um , you know  oh , yes , there was some  in my view , when i when you 've got it densely overlapping , um , I didn't worry about  I didn't worry about s specific start times.


Um , you know  oh , yes , there was some  in my view , when i when you 've got it densely overlapping , um , I didn't worry about  I didn't worry about s specific start times.

I sort of thought that this is not gonna be  easily processed anyway and  maybe I shouldn't spend too much time getting exactly when the person said  " no " , or , you know , uh , i " immediate ".


I sort of thought that this is not gonna be  easily processed anyway and  maybe I shouldn't spend too much time getting exactly when the person said  " no " , or , you know , uh , i " immediate ".

And instead just sort of rendered " within this time slot ,  there were two people speaking during part of it


And instead just sort of rendered " within this time slot ,  there were two people speaking during part of it

and  if you want more detail , figure it out for yourself " ,


and  if you want more detail , figure it out for yourself " ,

Well , I think what  w what Eric was talking about was channels other than the direct speech ,


Well , I think what  w what Eric was talking about was channels other than the direct speech ,


Well , yeah , what I mean is wh I mean , when somebody says " uh - huh " in the middle of , uh , a @ @


Well , yeah , what I mean is wh I mean , when somebody says " uh - huh " in the middle of , uh , a @ @

Oh , cuz I was  I was listening to  Dan was agreeing a lot to things that you were saying as you were talking.


Oh , cuz I was  I was listening to  Dan was agreeing a lot to things that you were saying as you were talking.


Appreciate it. Well , if it  if there was a word like " right " , you know , then I wou I would indicate  that it happened within the same tem time frame


but wouldn't say exactly when it happened.


and there was a lot of overlapping. It was


and there was a lot of overlapping. It was

Well there there 's a lot of overlapping at the beginning and end.


Well there there 's a lot of overlapping at the beginning and end.


Um , when  when no one i when we 're not actually in the meeting ,  and we 're all sort of separated , and  and doing things. But even during the meeting there 's a lot of overlap but it  it 's marked pretty clearly. Um , some of the backchannel stuff Jane had some comments  and  but I think a lot of them were because you were at the meeting. And so I think that  that often   often you can't tell.


Um , when  when no one i when we 're not actually in the meeting ,  and we 're all sort of separated , and  and doing things. But even during the meeting there 's a lot of overlap but it  it 's marked pretty clearly. Um , some of the backchannel stuff Jane had some comments  and  but I think a lot of them were because you were at the meeting. And so I think that  that often   often you can't tell.

Yeah , well that 's true. That 's another issue.


Um , when  when no one i when we 're not actually in the meeting ,  and we 're all sort of separated , and  and doing things. But even during the meeting there 's a lot of overlap but it  it 's marked pretty clearly. Um , some of the backchannel stuff Jane had some comments  and  but I think a lot of them were because you were at the meeting. And so I think that  that often   often you can't tell.

Yeah , well that 's true. That 's another issue.

I mean , Jane had  had comments like uh , to  who  who the person was speaking to.


Yeah , well that 's true. That 's another issue.

I mean , Jane had  had comments like uh , to  who  who the person was speaking to.


I mean , Jane had  had comments like uh , to  who  who the person was speaking to.


Only when it was otherwise gonna be puzzling


Only when it was otherwise gonna be puzzling

because he was in the other room talking.


Only when it was otherwise gonna be puzzling

because he was in the other room talking.

Yeah , but someone who , uh ,  was just the transcriber wouldn't have known that.


because he was in the other room talking.

Yeah , but someone who , uh ,  was just the transcriber wouldn't have known that.


because he was in the other room talking.

Yeah , but someone who , uh ,  was just the transcriber wouldn't have known that.

Or when Dan said , " I wa I wasn't talking to you ".


Yeah , but someone who , uh ,  was just the transcriber wouldn't have known that.

Or when Dan said , " I wa I wasn't talking to you ".


Or when Dan said , " I wa I wasn't talking to you ".


Or when Dan said , " I wa I wasn't talking to you ".

So you take a bathroom break in the middle and  and keep your head mount


So you take a bathroom break in the middle and  and keep your head mount


Well he was so  so he was checking the meter levels and  and we were handling things while he was labeling the  the whatever it was , the PDA ?


Well he was so  so he was checking the meter levels and  and we were handling things while he was labeling the  the whatever it was , the PDA ?

And  and so he was  in  sort of  you were sort of talking  you know , so I was saying , like   " and I could label this one left. Right ? " And he  and he said , " I don't see anything ". And he said   he said ,  " I wasn't talking to you ". Or  it wasn't  it didn't sound quite that rude.


And  and so he was  in  sort of  you were sort of talking  you know , so I was saying , like   " and I could label this one left. Right ? " And he  and he said , " I don't see anything ". And he said   he said ,  " I wasn't talking to you ". Or  it wasn't  it didn't sound quite that rude.


And  and so he was  in  sort of  you were sort of talking  you know , so I was saying , like   " and I could label this one left. Right ? " And he  and he said , " I don't see anything ". And he said   he said ,  " I wasn't talking to you ". Or  it wasn't  it didn't sound quite that rude.

But really , no , uh  w you know in the context if you know he can't hear what he 's saying


But really , no , uh  w you know in the context if you know he can't hear what he 's saying

he he It was a lot funnier if you were there though.


he he It was a lot funnier if you were there though.

Well what  what it  what happens is if you 're a transcriber listening to it it sounds like Dan is just being a total   totally impolite.


he he It was a lot funnier if you were there though.

Well what  what it  what happens is if you 're a transcriber listening to it it sounds like Dan is just being a total   totally impolite.

I know. Well , you 'll see. You can listen to it. Oh , I thought it was you who was. No , well , but you were  you were asking off the wall questions.


Well what  what it  what happens is if you 're a transcriber listening to it it sounds like Dan is just being a total   totally impolite.

I know. Well , you 'll see. You can listen to it. Oh , I thought it was you who was. No , well , but you were  you were asking off the wall questions.

Um  But  but if you knew that  that I wasn't actually in the room , and that Dan wasn't talking to me , it  it became OK. So.


I know. Well , you 'll see. You can listen to it. Oh , I thought it was you who was. No , well , but you were  you were asking off the wall questions.

Um  But  but if you knew that  that I wasn't actually in the room , and that Dan wasn't talking to me , it  it became OK. So.


Um  But  but if you knew that  that I wasn't actually in the room , and that Dan wasn't talking to me , it  it became OK. So.

And that 's w that 's where I added comments.


And that 's w that 's where I added comments.


And that 's w that 's where I added comments.

The rest of the time I didn't bother with who was talking to who but  but this was unusual circum circumstance.


And that 's w that 's where I added comments.

The rest of the time I didn't bother with who was talking to who but  but this was unusual circum circumstance.

So this is  this is gonna go on the meeting meeting transcriber bloopers tape , right ?


The rest of the time I didn't bother with who was talking to who but  but this was unusual circum circumstance.

So this is  this is gonna go on the meeting meeting transcriber bloopers tape , right ?


The rest of the time I didn't bother with who was talking to who but  but this was unusual circum circumstance.

So this is  this is gonna go on the meeting meeting transcriber bloopers tape , right ?

Well and part of it was funny , uh  reason was because it was a mixed signal so you couldn't get any clues from volume  that , you know , he was really far away from this conversation.


So this is  this is gonna go on the meeting meeting transcriber bloopers tape , right ?

Well and part of it was funny , uh  reason was because it was a mixed signal so you couldn't get any clues from volume  that , you know , he was really far away from this conversation.


Well and part of it was funny , uh  reason was because it was a mixed signal so you couldn't get any clues from volume  that , you know , he was really far away from this conversation.

You couldn't do that symmetrically in any case.


You couldn't do that symmetrically in any case.

Oh. I should rewrite the mix tool to put half the people in one channel and half in the other. I have a  auto - gain - mixer tool that mixes all the head mounted microphones into one signal


Oh. I should rewrite the mix tool to put half the people in one channel and half in the other. I have a  auto - gain - mixer tool that mixes all the head mounted microphones into one signal


Oh. I should rewrite the mix tool to put half the people in one channel and half in the other. I have a  auto - gain - mixer tool that mixes all the head mounted microphones into one signal

and that seems to work really well for the uh  transcribers.


and that seems to work really well for the uh  transcribers.


and that seems to work really well for the uh  transcribers.

But I thought it would be  you know , I  I didn't wanna add more contextual comments than were needed but that , it seemed to me , clarified that the con what was going on. And , uh  OK ,


But I thought it would be  you know , I  I didn't wanna add more contextual comments than were needed but that , it seemed to me , clarified that the con what was going on. And , uh  OK ,


But I thought it would be  you know , I  I didn't wanna add more contextual comments than were needed but that , it seemed to me , clarified that the con what was going on. And , uh  OK ,

I was just gonna ask , uh , so I just wanted to c sort of finish off the question I had about backchannels ,


I was just gonna ask , uh , so I just wanted to c sort of finish off the question I had about backchannels ,


which  which was , so say somebody 's talking for a while


which  which was , so say somebody 's talking for a while

and somebody goes " mm - hmm " in the middle of it , and  and  and what not , does the conversation come out from the  or the person who 's speaking for the long time as one segment and then there 's this little tiny segment  of this other speaker or does it  does the fact that there 's a backchannel split the  the  the  it in two.


which  which was , so say somebody 's talking for a while

and somebody goes " mm - hmm " in the middle of it , and  and  and what not , does the conversation come out from the  or the person who 's speaking for the long time as one segment and then there 's this little tiny segment  of this other speaker or does it  does the fact that there 's a backchannel split the  the  the  it in two.

OK , my  my focus was to try and maintain conten con content continuity and , uh , to keep it within what he was saying. Like  I wouldn't say breath groups but prosodic or intonational groups as much as possible. So  if someone said " mm - hmm " in the middle of a  of someone 's ,  uh , uh , intonational contour ,  I  I indicated it as , like what you just did.


and somebody goes " mm - hmm " in the middle of it , and  and  and what not , does the conversation come out from the  or the person who 's speaking for the long time as one segment and then there 's this little tiny segment  of this other speaker or does it  does the fact that there 's a backchannel split the  the  the  it in two.

OK , my  my focus was to try and maintain conten con content continuity and , uh , to keep it within what he was saying. Like  I wouldn't say breath groups but prosodic or intonational groups as much as possible. So  if someone said " mm - hmm " in the middle of a  of someone 's ,  uh , uh , intonational contour ,  I  I indicated it as , like what you just did.


and somebody goes " mm - hmm " in the middle of it , and  and  and what not , does the conversation come out from the  or the person who 's speaking for the long time as one segment and then there 's this little tiny segment  of this other speaker or does it  does the fact that there 's a backchannel split the  the  the  it in two.

OK , my  my focus was to try and maintain conten con content continuity and , uh , to keep it within what he was saying. Like  I wouldn't say breath groups but prosodic or intonational groups as much as possible. So  if someone said " mm - hmm " in the middle of a  of someone 's ,  uh , uh , intonational contour ,  I  I indicated it as , like what you just did.

then I indicated it as a segment which contained  @ @  this utterance plus an overlap.


OK , my  my focus was to try and maintain conten con content continuity and , uh , to keep it within what he was saying. Like  I wouldn't say breath groups but prosodic or intonational groups as much as possible. So  if someone said " mm - hmm " in the middle of a  of someone 's ,  uh , uh , intonational contour ,  I  I indicated it as , like what you just did.

then I indicated it as a segment which contained  @ @  this utterance plus an overlap.

But that 's  but there 's only one  there 's only one time boundary for both speakers ,


then I indicated it as a segment which contained  @ @  this utterance plus an overlap.

But that 's  but there 's only one  there 's only one time boundary for both speakers ,


But that 's  but there 's only one  there 's only one time boundary for both speakers ,

Yeah , that 's right. And you know , it could be made more precise than that


Yeah , that 's right. And you know , it could be made more precise than that


I think whenever we use these speech words we should always  do the thing like you 're talking about , accent ,


I think whenever we use these speech words we should always  do the thing like you 're talking about , accent ,

Oh , I see what you mean. And then  " hesitation ". Yeah. OK , and so then , uh , in terms of like words like " uh " and " um " I just wrote them because I figured there 's a limited number , and I keep them to a  uh , limited set because it didn't matter if it was " mmm " or " um " ,   you know , versus " um ". So I just always wrote it as U M.


I think whenever we use these speech words we should always  do the thing like you 're talking about , accent ,

Oh , I see what you mean. And then  " hesitation ". Yeah. OK , and so then , uh , in terms of like words like " uh " and " um " I just wrote them because I figured there 's a limited number , and I keep them to a  uh , limited set because it didn't matter if it was " mmm " or " um " ,   you know , versus " um ". So I just always wrote it as U M.

And " uh - huh " , you know , " UHUH. " I mean , like a s set of like five. But in any case   I didn't mark those.


Oh , I see what you mean. And then  " hesitation ". Yeah. OK , and so then , uh , in terms of like words like " uh " and " um " I just wrote them because I figured there 's a limited number , and I keep them to a  uh , limited set because it didn't matter if it was " mmm " or " um " ,   you know , versus " um ". So I just always wrote it as U M.

And " uh - huh " , you know , " UHUH. " I mean , like a s set of like five. But in any case   I didn't mark those.


And " uh - huh " , you know , " UHUH. " I mean , like a s set of like five. But in any case   I didn't mark those.


I 'd be happy with that. That 'd be fine. It 'd be good to have that in the  in the conventions , what 's to be used.


I 'd be happy with that. That 'd be fine. It 'd be good to have that in the  in the conventions , what 's to be used.

I  I did notice that there were some segments that had pauses on the beginning and end. We should probably mark areas that have no speakers as no speaker. Then , so question mark colon is fine for that.


I 'd be happy with that. That 'd be fine. It 'd be good to have that in the  in the conventions , what 's to be used.

I  I did notice that there were some segments that had pauses on the beginning and end. We should probably mark areas that have no speakers as no speaker. Then , so question mark colon is fine for that.

Yeah , that 's a fine idea. That 's a fine idea.


I  I did notice that there were some segments that had pauses on the beginning and end. We should probably mark areas that have no speakers as no speaker. Then , so question mark colon is fine for that.

Yeah , that 's a fine idea. That 's a fine idea.


Yeah , that 's a fine idea. That 's a fine idea.


Don't they  d can't we just leave them unmarked ?


Don't they  d can't we just leave them unmarked ?

I d Well , you see , that 's possible too.


Don't they  d can't we just leave them unmarked ?

I d Well , you see , that 's possible too.

Well , I wanna leave the marked  I don't want them to be part of another utterance. So you just  you need to have the boundary at the start and the end.


I d Well , you see , that 's possible too.

Well , I wanna leave the marked  I don't want them to be part of another utterance. So you just  you need to have the boundary at the start and the end.

Mm - hmm. Now that 's refinement that , uh , maybe it could be handled by part of the  part of the script or something more


Well , I wanna leave the marked  I don't want them to be part of another utterance. So you just  you need to have the boundary at the start and the end.

Mm - hmm. Now that 's refinement that , uh , maybe it could be handled by part of the  part of the script or something more

Uh , yeah , it seems like  it seems like the , uh , tran the transcription problem would be very different if we had these  automatic speaker detection turn placing things. Because suddenly  I mean , I don't know , actually it sounds like there might be a problem  putting it into the software if the software only handles two parallel channels. But assuming we can get around that somehow.


Mm - hmm. Now that 's refinement that , uh , maybe it could be handled by part of the  part of the script or something more

Uh , yeah , it seems like  it seems like the , uh , tran the transcription problem would be very different if we had these  automatic speaker detection turn placing things. Because suddenly  I mean , I don't know , actually it sounds like there might be a problem  putting it into the software if the software only handles two parallel channels. But assuming we can get around that somehow.

Mm - hmm. Well you were saying , I think it can read


Mm - hmm. Now that 's refinement that , uh , maybe it could be handled by part of the  part of the script or something more

Uh , yeah , it seems like  it seems like the , uh , tran the transcription problem would be very different if we had these  automatic speaker detection turn placing things. Because suddenly  I mean , I don't know , actually it sounds like there might be a problem  putting it into the software if the software only handles two parallel channels. But assuming we can get around that somehow.

Mm - hmm. Well you were saying , I think it can read

It can read and write as many as you want , it 's just that it


Uh , yeah , it seems like  it seems like the , uh , tran the transcription problem would be very different if we had these  automatic speaker detection turn placing things. Because suddenly  I mean , I don't know , actually it sounds like there might be a problem  putting it into the software if the software only handles two parallel channels. But assuming we can get around that somehow.

Mm - hmm. Well you were saying , I think it can read

It can read and write as many as you want , it 's just that it


Mm - hmm. Well you were saying , I think it can read

It can read and write as many as you want , it 's just that it

But what if you wanna edit it ? Right ? I mean , the point is we 're gonna generate  this transcript with five  five tracks in it , but with no words. Someone 's gonna have to go in and type in the words. Um , and if there are five  five people speaking at once ,


It can read and write as many as you want , it 's just that it

But what if you wanna edit it ? Right ? I mean , the point is we 're gonna generate  this transcript with five  five tracks in it , but with no words. Someone 's gonna have to go in and type in the words. Um , and if there are five  five people speaking at once ,

Right , i it 's  I didn't explain it well. If we use the  the little  the conventions that Jane has established , I have a script that will convert from that convention to their saved convention.


But what if you wanna edit it ? Right ? I mean , the point is we 're gonna generate  this transcript with five  five tracks in it , but with no words. Someone 's gonna have to go in and type in the words. Um , and if there are five  five people speaking at once ,

Right , i it 's  I didn't explain it well. If we use the  the little  the conventions that Jane has established , I have a script that will convert from that convention to their saved convention.


Right , i it 's  I didn't explain it well. If we use the  the little  the conventions that Jane has established , I have a script that will convert from that convention to their saved convention.


can't it also ? But their  but their format , if you wanted to in indicate the speakers right there instead of doing it through this indirect route ,  then i they  a c window comes up and it only allows you to enter two speakers.


can't it also ? But their  but their format , if you wanted to in indicate the speakers right there instead of doing it through this indirect route ,  then i they  a c window comes up and it only allows you to enter two speakers.

But you 're saying that by the time you call it back in to  from their saved format it opens up a window with window with five speakers ?


But you 're saying that by the time you call it back in to  from their saved format it opens up a window with window with five speakers ?


the  the  the whole saved form the saved format and the internal format , all that stuff , handles multiple speakers.


the  the  the whole saved form the saved format and the internal format , all that stuff , handles multiple speakers.

It 's just there 's no user interface for specifying multiple  any more than two.


the  the  the whole saved form the saved format and the internal format , all that stuff , handles multiple speakers.

It 's just there 's no user interface for specifying multiple  any more than two.

Right. So your  your script solves  Doesn't it solve all our problems ,


It 's just there 's no user interface for specifying multiple  any more than two.

Right. So your  your script solves  Doesn't it solve all our problems ,


Right. So your  your script solves  Doesn't it solve all our problems ,

cuz we 're always gonna wanna go through this preprocessing


cuz we 're always gonna wanna go through this preprocessing


And that works nicely cuz this so quick to enter. So I wouldn't wanna do it through the interface anyway adding which  worry who the speaker was.


And that works nicely cuz this so quick to enter. So I wouldn't wanna do it through the interface anyway adding which  worry who the speaker was.

And then , uh , let 's see what else. Oh , yes , I  I wanted to have  So sometimes a pers I  uh in terms of like the continuity of thought  for transcriptions , it 's  i it isn't just words coming out , it 's like there 's some purpose for an utterance. And  sometimes someone will  do a backchannel in the middle of it but you wanna show that it 's continued at a later point. So I have  I have a convention of putting like a dash  arrow just to indicate that this person 's utterance continues. And then when it uh , catches back up again then there 's an arrow dash , and then you have the opposite direction  to indicate continuation of ones own utterance versus , um , sometimes  we had the situation which is  you know , which you  which you get in conversations ,  of someone continuing someone else 's utterance ,


And then , uh , let 's see what else. Oh , yes , I  I wanted to have  So sometimes a pers I  uh in terms of like the continuity of thought  for transcriptions , it 's  i it isn't just words coming out , it 's like there 's some purpose for an utterance. And  sometimes someone will  do a backchannel in the middle of it but you wanna show that it 's continued at a later point. So I have  I have a convention of putting like a dash  arrow just to indicate that this person 's utterance continues. And then when it uh , catches back up again then there 's an arrow dash , and then you have the opposite direction  to indicate continuation of ones own utterance versus , um , sometimes  we had the situation which is  you know , which you  which you get in conversations ,  of someone continuing someone else 's utterance ,


And then , uh , let 's see what else. Oh , yes , I  I wanted to have  So sometimes a pers I  uh in terms of like the continuity of thought  for transcriptions , it 's  i it isn't just words coming out , it 's like there 's some purpose for an utterance. And  sometimes someone will  do a backchannel in the middle of it but you wanna show that it 's continued at a later point. So I have  I have a convention of putting like a dash  arrow just to indicate that this person 's utterance continues. And then when it uh , catches back up again then there 's an arrow dash , and then you have the opposite direction  to indicate continuation of ones own utterance versus , um , sometimes  we had the situation which is  you know , which you  which you get in conversations ,  of someone continuing someone else 's utterance ,

and in that case I did a tilde arrow versus a arrow tilde ,  to indicate that it was continuation but it wasn't  Oh , I guess I did  equal arrow for the  for the own  for yourself things


and in that case I did a tilde arrow versus a arrow tilde ,  to indicate that it was continuation but it wasn't  Oh , I guess I did  equal arrow for the  for the own  for yourself things

cuz it 's  the speakers the same. And then tilde arrow if it was a different  if a different speaker , uh , con continuation.


cuz it 's  the speakers the same. And then tilde arrow if it was a different  if a different speaker , uh , con continuation.


cuz it 's  the speakers the same. And then tilde arrow if it was a different  if a different speaker , uh , con continuation.

But just , you know , the arrows showing continuation of a thought.


But just , you know , the arrows showing continuation of a thought.


But just , you know , the arrows showing continuation of a thought.

And then you could track whether it was the same speaker or not by knowing  you know , at the end of this unit you 'd know what happened later. And that was like this person continued


And then you could track whether it was the same speaker or not by knowing  you know , at the end of this unit you 'd know what happened later. And that was like this person continued

and you 'd be able to  look for the continuation.


and you 'd be able to  look for the continuation.

But the only time that becomes ambiguous is if you have two speakers. Like , if you   If you only have one person , if you only have one thought that 's continuing across a particular time boundary , you just need  one arrow at each end , and if it 's picked up by a different speaker , it 's picked up by a different speaker. The time it becomes ambiguous if you have more than one speaker and that  and they sort of swap. I guess if you have more than one thread going , then you   then you need to know whether they were swapped or not.


But the only time that becomes ambiguous is if you have two speakers. Like , if you   If you only have one person , if you only have one thought that 's continuing across a particular time boundary , you just need  one arrow at each end , and if it 's picked up by a different speaker , it 's picked up by a different speaker. The time it becomes ambiguous if you have more than one speaker and that  and they sort of swap. I guess if you have more than one thread going , then you   then you need to know whether they were swapped or not.

How often does that happen do you think ?


How often does that happen do you think ?


Especially for meetings. I mean , if i if you were just recording someone 's day , it would be impossible. You know ,


Especially for meetings. I mean , if i if you were just recording someone 's day , it would be impossible. You know ,

if you were trying to do a remembrance agent. But I think for meetings it 's probably alright.


if you were trying to do a remembrance agent. But I think for meetings it 's probably alright.

But , a lot of these issues , I think that for  uh , from my point of view , where I just wanna do speech recognition and information retrieval , it doesn't really matter.


But , a lot of these issues , I think that for  uh , from my point of view , where I just wanna do speech recognition and information retrieval , it doesn't really matter.


But it  it does feel  it does feel like it 's really in there. I  you know I did this  I did this transcription and I marked that , I marked it with ellipsis because it seemed like there was a difference. It 's something you wanted to indicate that it  that I  this was the end of the phrase , this was the end of  that particular transcript , but it was continued later.


I didn't have the equal , not equal thing.


I didn't have the equal , not equal thing.

Yeah. Well that 's  you know , I mean  I  that 's why I didn't  I didn't do it n  I mean , that 's why I thought about it , and  and re - ev


I didn't have the equal , not equal thing.

Yeah. Well that 's  you know , I mean  I  that 's why I didn't  I didn't do it n  I mean , that 's why I thought about it , and  and re - ev

and it didn't do  I didn't do it in ten times the   the time.


Yeah. Well that 's  you know , I mean  I  that 's why I didn't  I didn't do it n  I mean , that 's why I thought about it , and  and re - ev

and it didn't do  I didn't do it in ten times the   the time.

Well , so anyway , are we interested then in writing tools to try to generate any of this stuff automatically ?


and it didn't do  I didn't do it in ten times the   the time.

Well , so anyway , are we interested then in writing tools to try to generate any of this stuff automatically ?


and it didn't do  I didn't do it in ten times the   the time.

Well , so anyway , are we interested then in writing tools to try to generate any of this stuff automatically ?

Is that something you want to do , Dan ?


Well , so anyway , are we interested then in writing tools to try to generate any of this stuff automatically ?

Is that something you want to do , Dan ?


Is that something you want to do , Dan ?


Is that something you want to do , Dan ?

But it 's something @ @ that I feel we definitely ought to do.


But it 's something @ @ that I feel we definitely ought to do.

I also wanted to ask you if you have a time estimate on the part that you transcribed. Do you have a sense of how long


But it 's something @ @ that I feel we definitely ought to do.

I also wanted to ask you if you have a time estimate on the part that you transcribed. Do you have a sense of how long

Yeah , it took me half an hour to transcribe a minute , but I didn't have any  I didn't even have a


I also wanted to ask you if you have a time estimate on the part that you transcribed. Do you have a sense of how long

Yeah , it took me half an hour to transcribe a minute , but I didn't have any  I didn't even have a

I was trying to get Transcriber to run but I couldn't. So I was doing it by typ typing into a text file and trying to fit  It was horrible.


Yeah , it took me half an hour to transcribe a minute , but I didn't have any  I didn't even have a

I was trying to get Transcriber to run but I couldn't. So I was doing it by typ typing into a text file and trying to fit  It was horrible.


I was trying to get Transcriber to run but I couldn't. So I was doing it by typ typing into a text file and trying to fit  It was horrible.


Well , I mean , that 's  that 's because you didn't have the segmentation help and all the other


Well , I mean , that 's  that 's because you didn't have the segmentation help and all the other

But I think for a first try that 's about right.


Well , I mean , that 's  that 's because you didn't have the segmentation help and all the other

But I think for a first try that 's about right.

So  so if we hired a who if we hired a whole bunch of Dan 's


But I think for a first try that 's about right.

So  so if we hired a who if we hired a whole bunch of Dan 's


So  so if we hired a who if we hired a whole bunch of Dan 's


So  so if we hired a who if we hired a whole bunch of Dan 's

It was actually  it was quite  it was a t


It was actually  it was quite  it was a t

If we  hire an infinite number of Dan 's


If we  hire an infinite number of Dan 's


Are we gonna run out of disk space by the way ?


d Doesn't it beep in the other room when you 're out of disk space ?


d Doesn't it beep in the other room when you 're out of disk space ?

Maybe we should s consider also , um , starting to build up a web site around all of these things.


Maybe we should s consider also , um , starting to build up a web site around all of these things.


We could have like business - to - business E - commerce as well !


We could have like business - to - business E - commerce as well !

That 's right. No , but I 'm it would be interesting  it would be interesting to see


That 's right. No , but I 'm it would be interesting  it would be interesting to see


that 's how we could pay for the transcription.


that 's how we could pay for the transcription.

I want to introduce  I  I want to introduce the word " snot - head " into the conversation at this point.


that 's how we could pay for the transcription.

I want to introduce  I  I want to introduce the word " snot - head " into the conversation at this point.

You wanna word that won't be recognized ?


I want to introduce  I  I want to introduce the word " snot - head " into the conversation at this point.

You wanna word that won't be recognized ?


You wanna word that won't be recognized ?


No. Alright , see here 's  here 's  here 's my thought behind it which is that , uh , the  the stuff that you 've been describing , Jane , I gu one has to ,  of course  indicate ,   um , i is very interesting ,


No. Alright , see here 's  here 's  here 's my thought behind it which is that , uh , the  the stuff that you 've been describing , Jane , I gu one has to ,  of course  indicate ,   um , i is very interesting ,

and I I 'd like to be able to  to pore through , you know , the  the types of tr conventions that you 've come up with and stuff like that.


and I I 'd like to be able to  to pore through , you know , the  the types of tr conventions that you 've come up with and stuff like that.

So I would like to see that kind of stuff on the web.


and I I 'd like to be able to  to pore through , you know , the  the types of tr conventions that you 've come up with and stuff like that.

So I would like to see that kind of stuff on the web.

OK , now , w the alternative to a web site would be to put it in Doctor speech.


So I would like to see that kind of stuff on the web.

OK , now , w the alternative to a web site would be to put it in Doctor speech.


So I would like to see that kind of stuff on the web.

OK , now , w the alternative to a web site would be to put it in Doctor speech.

Cuz  cuz what I have is a soft link to my transcription  that I have on my account


OK , now , w the alternative to a web site would be to put it in Doctor speech.

Cuz  cuz what I have is a soft link to my transcription  that I have on my account


Cuz  cuz what I have is a soft link to my transcription  that I have on my account


Then you have to t you have to do an HT access.


Then you have to t you have to do an HT access.

We could actually  maybe we could use the TCL plug - in. Oh , man.


Then you have to t you have to do an HT access.

We could actually  maybe we could use the TCL plug - in. Oh , man.

Ooo ! He 's committed himself to something.


We could actually  maybe we could use the TCL plug - in. Oh , man.

Ooo ! He 's committed himself to something.

Ow. See he said the word TCL and  and that 's


We could actually  maybe we could use the TCL plug - in. Oh , man.

Ooo ! He 's committed himself to something.

Ow. See he said the word TCL and  and that 's

But he does such a good job of it. He should be allowed to  to , you know , w do it.


Ooo ! He 's committed himself to something.

Ow. See he said the word TCL and  and that 's

But he does such a good job of it. He should be allowed to  to , you know , w do it.


Ow. See he said the word TCL and  and that 's

But he does such a good job of it. He should be allowed to  to , you know , w do it.

I know , but that  but , I  Right. But I should be allowed to but


But he does such a good job of it. He should be allowed to  to , you know , w do it.

I know , but that  but , I  Right. But I should be allowed to but

If you just did a crappy job ,  no nobody would want you to do it.


I know , but that  but , I  Right. But I should be allowed to but

If you just did a crappy job ,  no nobody would want you to do it.

I sh I shouldn't be allowed to by m by my own   by my  according to my own priorities. Alright. Let 's look at it anyway. So definitely we should  we should have some kind of access to the data.


I know , but that  but , I  Right. But I should be allowed to but

If you just did a crappy job ,  no nobody would want you to do it.

I sh I shouldn't be allowed to by m by my own   by my  according to my own priorities. Alright. Let 's look at it anyway. So definitely we should  we should have some kind of access to the data.

And we have  we have quite a disparate number of web and other sorts of documents on this project sort of spread around.


If you just did a crappy job ,  no nobody would want you to do it.

I sh I shouldn't be allowed to by m by my own   by my  according to my own priorities. Alright. Let 's look at it anyway. So definitely we should  we should have some kind of access to the data.

And we have  we have quite a disparate number of web and other sorts of documents on this project sort of spread around.


I sh I shouldn't be allowed to by m by my own   by my  according to my own priorities. Alright. Let 's look at it anyway. So definitely we should  we should have some kind of access to the data.

And we have  we have quite a disparate number of web and other sorts of documents on this project sort of spread around.


And we have  we have quite a disparate number of web and other sorts of documents on this project sort of spread around.


Right , so we can add in links and stuff like that to other things.


Try  try to s consolidate. I mean , who wants to do that though ?


Well , we could put  we could put sort of a disorganized sort of group gestalt


Well , we could put  we could put sort of a disorganized sort of group gestalt

Why ? What  what 's  what 's the issue ?


Why ? What  what 's  what 's the issue ?


Yeah , I own the project but I don't wanna do it.


You know , it 's like , it 's that simple.


You know , it 's like , it 's that simple.

b but  but  but what are you  what are you talking about for web site hacking ?


You know , it 's like , it 's that simple.

b but  but  but what are you  what are you talking about for web site hacking ?

You 're talking about writing HTML , right ?


b but  but  but what are you  what are you talking about for web site hacking ?

You 're talking about writing HTML , right ?

Yeah , I  I 'm talking about putting together all the data in a form that  that is legible , and pleasant to read , and up to date , and et cetera , et cetera , et cetera.


You 're talking about writing HTML , right ?

Yeah , I  I 'm talking about putting together all the data in a form that  that is legible , and pleasant to read , and up to date , and et cetera , et cetera , et cetera.


You 're talking about writing HTML , right ?

Yeah , I  I 'm talking about putting together all the data in a form that  that is legible , and pleasant to read , and up to date , and et cetera , et cetera , et cetera.

But , is it against the law to actually use a tool to help your job go easier ?


Yeah , I  I 'm talking about putting together all the data in a form that  that is legible , and pleasant to read , and up to date , and et cetera , et cetera , et cetera.

But , is it against the law to actually use a tool to help your job go easier ?

Absolutely. It 's  it 's absolutely against the law to use a tool. I haven't found any tools that I like.


But , is it against the law to actually use a tool to help your job go easier ?

Absolutely. It 's  it 's absolutely against the law to use a tool. I haven't found any tools that I like.


But , is it against the law to actually use a tool to help your job go easier ?

Absolutely. It 's  it 's absolutely against the law to use a tool. I haven't found any tools that I like.

It 's just as easy to use  to edit the raw HTML as anything else.


Absolutely. It 's  it 's absolutely against the law to use a tool. I haven't found any tools that I like.

It 's just as easy to use  to edit the raw HTML as anything else.


It 's just as easy to use  to edit the raw HTML as anything else.


No , it it it 's obviously true that he hasn't found any he likes.


No , it it it 's obviously true that he hasn't found any he likes.

The question is what is  what 's he looked at.


The question is what is  what 's he looked at.


Now , I guess if I were  if I were doing more powerful  excuse me  more complex web sites I might want to.


Now , I guess if I were  if I were doing more powerful  excuse me  more complex web sites I might want to.

But most of the web sites I do aren't that complex.


Now , I guess if I were  if I were doing more powerful  excuse me  more complex web sites I might want to.

But most of the web sites I do aren't that complex.

Well , would this be to document it also for outside people or mainly for in house use ?


But most of the web sites I do aren't that complex.

Well , would this be to document it also for outside people or mainly for in house use ?


Well , would this be to document it also for outside people or mainly for in house use ?


I mean , you 're leaving. People at UW wanna look at it. I mean , it 's  it 's internal  until


I mean , you 're leaving. People at UW wanna look at it. I mean , it 's  it 's internal  until

We could do an HT access which would accommodate those things.


We could do an HT access which would accommodate those things.


We could do an HT access which would accommodate those things.

OK , well , send me links and I wi send me pointers , rather , and I 'll put it together.


OK , well , send me links and I wi send me pointers , rather , and I 'll put it together.


OK , well , send me links and I wi send me pointers , rather , and I 'll put it together.

OK. I 'm not sure how  how  important that distinction is. I don't think  we should say ,  " oh , it 's internal therefore we don't have to make it very good ". I mean , you can say  " oh  oh , it 's internal


OK. I 'm not sure how  how  important that distinction is. I don't think  we should say ,  " oh , it 's internal therefore we don't have to make it very good ". I mean , you can say  " oh  oh , it 's internal


OK. I 'm not sure how  how  important that distinction is. I don't think  we should say ,  " oh , it 's internal therefore we don't have to make it very good ". I mean , you can say  " oh  oh , it 's internal

therefore we can put data in it that we don't  we don't have to worry about releasing ". But I think the point is to try and  be coherent and make it a nice presentation.


therefore we can put data in it that we don't  we don't have to worry about releasing ". But I think the point is to try and  be coherent and make it a nice presentation.

Yeah , it is true , that is  it benefits to


therefore we can put data in it that we don't  we don't have to worry about releasing ". But I think the point is to try and  be coherent and make it a nice presentation.

Yeah , it is true , that is  it benefits to

Cuz you 're gonna have to wor do the work sooner or later.


Yeah , it is true , that is  it benefits to

Cuz you 're gonna have to wor do the work sooner or later.


Yeah , it is true , that is  it benefits to

Cuz you 're gonna have to wor do the work sooner or later.

That 's right. I mean , it 's the early on.


Cuz you 're gonna have to wor do the work sooner or later.

That 's right. I mean , it 's the early on.


That 's right. I mean , it 's the early on.


OK , um , let 's move on to electronics.


I  I was looking for the actual box I plan to use , uh , but I  c all I could  I couldn't find it at the local store. But this is  the  the technology. It 's actually a little bit thinner than this. And it 's two by two , by one , and it would fit right under the  right under th the the  the  the lip ,


I  I was looking for the actual box I plan to use , uh , but I  c all I could  I couldn't find it at the local store. But this is  the  the technology. It 's actually a little bit thinner than this. And it 's two by two , by one , and it would fit right under the  right under th the the  the  the lip ,

Yeah , does everyone know about the lip on the table ? It 's great.


Yeah , does everyone know about the lip on the table ? It 's great.

And , it oc I p especially brought the bottom along to try and generate some frequencies that you may not already have recorded.


And , it oc I p especially brought the bottom along to try and generate some frequencies that you may not already have recorded.


And , it oc I p especially brought the bottom along to try and generate some frequencies that you may not already have recorded.

Let 's see   see what it does to the  But this was the uh  just  just to review , and I also brought this  along rather than the projector so we can put these on the table , and sort of w push them around.


Let 's see   see what it does to the  But this was the uh  just  just to review , and I also brought this  along rather than the projector so we can put these on the table , and sort of w push them around.


That  that 's the six tables that we 're looking at. These six tables here ,  with  with little boxes sort of , uh , in the middle here.


That  that 's the six tables that we 're looking at. These six tables here ,  with  with little boxes sort of , uh , in the middle here.

Which es would  I mean , the  the boxes are pretty much out of the way anyway. I 'll - I 'll show you the   the cro this is the table cross section. I don't know if people realize what they 're looking at.


Which es would  I mean , the  the boxes are pretty much out of the way anyway. I 'll - I 'll show you the   the cro this is the table cross section. I don't know if people realize what they 're looking at.

You trying to  screw up the m the microphones ?


You trying to  screw up the m the microphones ?

Well why not ? I mean , cuz this is what 's gonna happen. You got plenty of data. I won't come to your next meeting. And  and  and you So this is the box 's


Well why not ? I mean , cuz this is what 's gonna happen. You got plenty of data. I won't come to your next meeting. And  and  and you So this is the box 's


Well why not ? I mean , cuz this is what 's gonna happen. You got plenty of data. I won't come to your next meeting. And  and  and you So this is the box 's

Yeah , let  let the record show that this is exhibit two B.


Yeah , let  let the record show that this is exhibit two B.

That 's right. " Or not to be ". Yeah , yeah.


Yeah , let  let the record show that this is exhibit two B.

That 's right. " Or not to be ". Yeah , yeah.

Uh , the box , uh  there 's a half inch lip here. The box is an inch thick so it hangs down a half an inch. And so the  the two  head set jacks would be in the front and then the little LED to indicate that that box is live. The  the important issue about the LED is the fact that we 're talking about eight of these total , which would be sixteen channels. And , uh , even though we have sixteen channels back at the capture , they 're not all gonna be used for this.


That 's right. " Or not to be ". Yeah , yeah.

Uh , the box , uh  there 's a half inch lip here. The box is an inch thick so it hangs down a half an inch. And so the  the two  head set jacks would be in the front and then the little LED to indicate that that box is live. The  the important issue about the LED is the fact that we 're talking about eight of these total , which would be sixteen channels. And , uh , even though we have sixteen channels back at the capture , they 're not all gonna be used for this.


Uh , the box , uh  there 's a half inch lip here. The box is an inch thick so it hangs down a half an inch. And so the  the two  head set jacks would be in the front and then the little LED to indicate that that box is live. The  the important issue about the LED is the fact that we 're talking about eight of these total , which would be sixteen channels. And , uh , even though we have sixteen channels back at the capture , they 're not all gonna be used for this.

So there 'd be a subset of them used for  obviously j just use the ones at this end for   for this many. So  Excuse me. you 'd like a  a way to tell whether your box is live , so the LED wouldn't be on.


So there 'd be a subset of them used for  obviously j just use the ones at this end for   for this many. So  Excuse me. you 'd like a  a way to tell whether your box is live , so the LED wouldn't be on.

So if you 're plugged in it doesn't work and the LED is off that 's  that 's a tip off. And then the , uh  would wire the  all of the cables in a  in a bundle come through here and o obviously collect these cables at the same time.


So if you 're plugged in it doesn't work and the LED is off that 's  that 's a tip off. And then the , uh  would wire the  all of the cables in a  in a bundle come through here and o obviously collect these cables at the same time.

Uh , so this  this notion of putting down the P Z Ms  and taking them away would somehow have to be turned into leaving them on the table


So if you 're plugged in it doesn't work and the LED is off that 's  that 's a tip off. And then the , uh  would wire the  all of the cables in a  in a bundle come through here and o obviously collect these cables at the same time.

Uh , so this  this notion of putting down the P Z Ms  and taking them away would somehow have to be turned into leaving them on the table

Right. Well , we wanna do that definitely.


Uh , so this  this notion of putting down the P Z Ms  and taking them away would somehow have to be turned into leaving them on the table

Right. Well , we wanna do that definitely.


Right. Well , we wanna do that definitely.

Right. And so the  you  we just epoxy them down or something. Big screw into the table.


Right. And so the  you  we just epoxy them down or something. Big screw into the table.


Right. And so the  you  we just epoxy them down or something. Big screw into the table.

Uh , and even though there 's eight cables they 're not really very big around so my model is to get a  a  a p piece of


Uh , and even though there 's eight cables they 're not really very big around so my model is to get a  a  a p piece of

yeah , that  that stuff that people put with the little  you slip the wires into that 's  sort of shaped like that cross section.


yeah , that  that stuff that people put with the little  you slip the wires into that 's  sort of shaped like that cross section.

Yeah. I 'm  I 'm r a I 'm going up and then I 'm going down.


Yeah. I 'm  I 'm r a I 'm going up and then I 'm going down.


Yeah. It 's like a  it 's a sleeping policeman.


And they 're ac they 're actually ext extruded from plastic.


That 's the s that 's British for speed bump ,


s So it would c basically go on the diagonal here.


s So it would c basically go on the diagonal here.

So why do we have sixteen channels instead of like some fewer number ?


So why do we have sixteen channels instead of like some fewer number ?


How else are you gonna distribute them around the tables ?


How else are you gonna distribute them around the tables ?

Well , OK , let me rephrase that. Why two each ?


How else are you gonna distribute them around the tables ?

Well , OK , let me rephrase that. Why two each ?

Oh , because then you don't have to just have one each. So that if t if you have two people sitting next to each other they can actually go into the same box.


Well , OK , let me rephrase that. Why two each ?

Oh , because then you don't have to just have one each. So that if t if you have two people sitting next to each other they can actually go into the same box.


Oh , because then you don't have to just have one each. So that if t if you have two people sitting next to each other they can actually go into the same box.

And to  See , thi this is really the way people sit on this table. Th


And to  See , thi this is really the way people sit on this table. Th


Well that  that 's the way people sit. That 's how many chairs are in the room.


Well that  that 's the way people sit. That 's how many chairs are in the room.

Yeah , I 'm just saying that for the recording.


Yeah , I 'm just saying that for the recording.


And certainly you could do a thing where all sixteen were plugged in.


And certainly you could do a thing where all sixteen were plugged in.

Uh if  if you ha if you had nothing else.


And certainly you could do a thing where all sixteen were plugged in.

Uh if  if you ha if you had nothing else.

Right. N none of these and no P Z Ms then.


Uh if  if you ha if you had nothing else.

Right. N none of these and no P Z Ms then.


Uh if  if you ha if you had nothing else.

Right. N none of these and no P Z Ms then.

Only if you had  Well it depends on this box , right ?


Right. N none of these and no P Z Ms then.

Only if you had  Well it depends on this box , right ?

Oh , true enough. And actually , at the m my plan is to only bring eight wires out of this box.


Only if you had  Well it depends on this box , right ?

Oh , true enough. And actually , at the m my plan is to only bring eight wires out of this box.


Oh , true enough. And actually , at the m my plan is to only bring eight wires out of this box.

This  this box  Thi - thi thi this box is a one off deal.


This  this box  Thi - thi thi this box is a one off deal.


This  this box  Thi - thi thi this box is a one off deal.

Uh. And , uh , it 's function is to s to , uh , essentially a wire converter to go from these little blue wires to these black wires , plus supply power to the microphones cuz the  the  he the , uh , cheap head mounteds all require low voltage.


Uh. And , uh , it 's function is to s to , uh , essentially a wire converter to go from these little blue wires to these black wires , plus supply power to the microphones cuz the  the  he the , uh , cheap head mounteds all require low voltage.

So  so you 'd imagine some sort of  in some sort of patch panel on top to figure out what the mapping was between each d of these two and each of those one or what ?


Uh. And , uh , it 's function is to s to , uh , essentially a wire converter to go from these little blue wires to these black wires , plus supply power to the microphones cuz the  the  he the , uh , cheap head mounteds all require low voltage.

So  so you 'd imagine some sort of  in some sort of patch panel on top to figure out what the mapping was between each d of these two and each of those one or what ?

Well I w I I the simplest thing I could imagine , i which is really , really simple is to  quite literally that these things plug in. And there 's a  there 's a plug on the end of each of these  these , uh , ei eight cables.


So  so you 'd imagine some sort of  in some sort of patch panel on top to figure out what the mapping was between each d of these two and each of those one or what ?

Well I w I I the simplest thing I could imagine , i which is really , really simple is to  quite literally that these things plug in. And there 's a  there 's a plug on the end of each of these  these , uh , ei eight cables.


Well I w I I the simplest thing I could imagine , i which is really , really simple is to  quite literally that these things plug in. And there 's a  there 's a plug on the end of each of these  these , uh , ei eight cables.


An - and there 's only  there 's only four slots that are  you know , in  in the first version or the version we 're planning to  to build.


So  that  that was the whole issue with the LED , that you plug it in , the LED comes on , and  and  and you 're live.


So  that  that was the whole issue with the LED , that you plug it in , the LED comes on , and  and  and you 're live.

Oh , then it comes on. I see , I see. OK , good.


So  that  that was the whole issue with the LED , that you plug it in , the LED comes on , and  and  and you 're live.

Oh , then it comes on. I see , I see. OK , good.

Now the  the   the subtle issue here is that  tha I  I haven't really figured out a solution for this. So , we it 'll have to be convention. What happens if somebody unplugs this because they plug in more of something else ?


Oh , then it comes on. I see , I see. OK , good.

Now the  the   the subtle issue here is that  tha I  I haven't really figured out a solution for this. So , we it 'll have to be convention. What happens if somebody unplugs this because they plug in more of something else ?

Well the  there 's no clever way to let the up stream guys know that you 're really not being powered. So  th there will be a certain amount of looking at cables has to be done if people , uh , rewire things.


Now the  the   the subtle issue here is that  tha I  I haven't really figured out a solution for this. So , we it 'll have to be convention. What happens if somebody unplugs this because they plug in more of something else ?

Well the  there 's no clever way to let the up stream guys know that you 're really not being powered. So  th there will be a certain amount of looking at cables has to be done if people , uh , rewire things.


Well the  there 's no clever way to let the up stream guys know that you 're really not being powered. So  th there will be a certain amount of looking at cables has to be done if people , uh , rewire things.

Yeah , I mean , we  I had that last time.


Yeah , I mean , we  I had that last time.

But uh there are actually  that you know , there 's an extra  there 's a mix out on the radio receiver ?


But uh there are actually  that you know , there 's an extra  there 's a mix out on the radio receiver ?

So there are actually six  XLR outs on the back of the radio receiver and only five cables going in , I had the wrong five , so I ended up  not recording one of the channels and recording the mix.


But uh there are actually  that you know , there 's an extra  there 's a mix out on the radio receiver ?

So there are actually six  XLR outs on the back of the radio receiver and only five cables going in , I had the wrong five , so I ended up  not recording one of the channels and recording the mix.

How interesting. D did you do any recognition on the mix  mix out ?


So there are actually six  XLR outs on the back of the radio receiver and only five cables going in , I had the wrong five , so I ended up  not recording one of the channels and recording the mix.

How interesting. D did you do any recognition on the mix  mix out ?


How interesting. D did you do any recognition on the mix  mix out ?


But I subtracted the four that I did have from the mix and got a pretty good approximation of the @ @.


So what 's the schedule on these things ?


Uh , well I was wrestling with th with literally the w number of connectors in the cable and the   the , uh ,  powering system. And I  I was gonna do this very clever phantom power and I decided a couple days ago not to do it.


Uh , well I was wrestling with th with literally the w number of connectors in the cable and the   the , uh ,  powering system. And I  I was gonna do this very clever phantom power and I decided a couple days ago not to do it.

So I 'm ready to build it. Which is to say , uh , the neighborhood of a week to get the circuit board done.


Uh , well I was wrestling with th with literally the w number of connectors in the cable and the   the , uh ,  powering system. And I  I was gonna do this very clever phantom power and I decided a couple days ago not to do it.

So I 'm ready to build it. Which is to say , uh , the neighborhood of a week to get the circuit board done.

Mm - hmm. So I think the other thing I 'd like to do is , do something about the set up


So I 'm ready to build it. Which is to say , uh , the neighborhood of a week to get the circuit board done.

Mm - hmm. So I think the other thing I 'd like to do is , do something about the set up


So I 'm ready to build it. Which is to say , uh , the neighborhood of a week to get the circuit board done.

Mm - hmm. So I think the other thing I 'd like to do is , do something about the set up

so that it 's a little more presentable and organized.


Mm - hmm. So I think the other thing I 'd like to do is , do something about the set up

so that it 's a little more presentable and organized.


so that it 's a little more presentable and organized.

And I 'm  I 'm just not sure what that is. I mean , some sort of cabinet.


so that it 's a little more presentable and organized.

And I 'm  I 'm just not sure what that is. I mean , some sort of cabinet.

Well I can build a cabinet. The  the difficulty for this kind of project is the intellectual capital to design the cabinet.


And I 'm  I 'm just not sure what that is. I mean , some sort of cabinet.

Well I can build a cabinet. The  the difficulty for this kind of project is the intellectual capital to design the cabinet.


And I 'm  I 'm just not sure what that is. I mean , some sort of cabinet.

Well I can build a cabinet. The  the difficulty for this kind of project is the intellectual capital to design the cabinet.

In other words , to figure out ex exactly what the right thing is. That cabinet can  can go away. We can use that for  for uh kindling or something. But if you can imagine what the right form factor is. Dan - Dan and I have sort of gone around on this , and we were thinking about something that opened up in the top  to allow access to the mixer for example.


Well I can build a cabinet. The  the difficulty for this kind of project is the intellectual capital to design the cabinet.

In other words , to figure out ex exactly what the right thing is. That cabinet can  can go away. We can use that for  for uh kindling or something. But if you can imagine what the right form factor is. Dan - Dan and I have sort of gone around on this , and we were thinking about something that opened up in the top  to allow access to the mixer for example.


In other words , to figure out ex exactly what the right thing is. That cabinet can  can go away. We can use that for  for uh kindling or something. But if you can imagine what the right form factor is. Dan - Dan and I have sort of gone around on this , and we were thinking about something that opened up in the top  to allow access to the mixer for example.

But there 's these things sticking out of the mixer which are kind of a pain , so you end up with this thing that  if if you stuck the mixer up here and the top opened , it 'd be  it 'd be fine. You wouldn't necessarily  Well , you s understand what I 'm


But there 's these things sticking out of the mixer which are kind of a pain , so you end up with this thing that  if if you stuck the mixer up here and the top opened , it 'd be  it 'd be fine. You wouldn't necessarily  Well , you s understand what I 'm


But there 's these things sticking out of the mixer which are kind of a pain , so you end up with this thing that  if if you stuck the mixer up here and the top opened , it 'd be  it 'd be fine. You wouldn't necessarily  Well , you s understand what I 'm

the  the  you can  you can start  start s sketching it out ,


the  the  you can  you can start  start s sketching it out ,


the  the  you can  you can start  start s sketching it out ,

and I can certainly build it out of oak no problem , would it  you know , arb you know , arbitrarily amount of


the  the  you can  you can start  start s sketching it out ,

and I can certainly build it out of oak no problem , would it  you know , arb you know , arbitrarily amount of

I need a desk at home too , alright ? Is that gonna be a better solution than just going out and buy one ?


and I can certainly build it out of oak no problem , would it  you know , arb you know , arbitrarily amount of

I need a desk at home too , alright ? Is that gonna be a better solution than just going out and buy one ?

Well , the  as we found out with the  the thing that , uh , Jeff bought a long time ago to hold our stereo system  the stuff you buy is total crap. And I mean this is something you buy.


I need a desk at home too , alright ? Is that gonna be a better solution than just going out and buy one ?

Well , the  as we found out with the  the thing that , uh , Jeff bought a long time ago to hold our stereo system  the stuff you buy is total crap. And I mean this is something you buy.


Well , the  as we found out with the  the thing that , uh , Jeff bought a long time ago to hold our stereo system  the stuff you buy is total crap. And I mean this is something you buy.


It 's total crap. Well , it 's useless for this function. Works fine for holding a Kleenex ,


It 's total crap. Well , it 's useless for this function. Works fine for holding a Kleenex ,

Um , so yeah , I g I guess it 's just a question , is that something you wanna spend your time on ?


Um , so yeah , I g I guess it 's just a question , is that something you wanna spend your time on ?


Um , so yeah , I g I guess it 's just a question , is that something you wanna spend your time on ?

I have no problem. No , but w certainly one of the issues is  is the , uh  is security.


I have no problem. No , but w certainly one of the issues is  is the , uh  is security.


I have no problem. No , but w certainly one of the issues is  is the , uh  is security.

I mean , we 've been  been  been lax and lucky.


I mean , we 've been  been  been lax and lucky.


I mean , we 've been  been  been lax and lucky.

Really lucky with these things. But they 're not ours , so


Really lucky with these things. But they 're not ours , so


I 'm telling you , I 'm just gonna cart one of them away if they stay there much longer.


I 'm telling you , I 'm just gonna cart one of them away if they stay there much longer.

Uh , let the record show at  uh  at f four thirty - five  Adam Janin says


Uh , let the record show at  uh  at f four thirty - five  Adam Janin says


So , um , j uh , then the other question is do we wanna try to do a user interface that 's available out here ?


A user interface. I mean , do we wanna try to get a monitor ? Or just something.


You mean like see  see meter readings , from  while sitting here.


You mean like see  see meter readings , from  while sitting here.

How about use the thing that um ACIRI 's doing.


How about use the thing that um ACIRI 's doing.


How about use the thing that um ACIRI 's doing.

Which is to say just laptop with a wireless.


Which is to say just laptop with a wireless.


Which is to say just laptop with a wireless.

Which we 'll borrow from them ,  when we need it.


Which we 'll borrow from them ,  when we need it.

What 's wrong with yours ? If we bought you a  a


Which we 'll borrow from them ,  when we need it.

What 's wrong with yours ? If we bought you a  a

Oh , a Applecard. Sure. Right. Yeah , you could use my machine.


What 's wrong with yours ? If we bought you a  a

Oh , a Applecard. Sure. Right. Yeah , you could use my machine.


Oh , a Applecard. Sure. Right. Yeah , you could use my machine.

I have an IRAM machine I 've borrowed and we can use it.


I have an IRAM machine I 've borrowed and we can use it.


I have an IRAM machine I 've borrowed and we can use it.

N no , I 'm  I 'm  I 'm serious. Does  does the wireless thing work on your


I have an IRAM machine I 've borrowed and we can use it.

N no , I 'm  I 'm  I 'm serious. Does  does the wireless thing work on your

Wait , isn't that an ethernet connection or is that a phone ?


N no , I 'm  I 'm  I 'm serious. Does  does the wireless thing work on your

Wait , isn't that an ethernet connection or is that a phone ?


Wait , isn't that an ethernet connection or is that a phone ?


Yeah  no  no I 'm a I  I  I ain't joking here.


Yeah  no  no I 'm a I  I  I ain't joking here.

Yeah. No , no , absolutely , that 's the right way to do it. T to have it uh , just


Yeah. No , no , absolutely , that 's the right way to do it. T to have it uh , just

It 's very convenient especially if Dan happens to be sitting at that end of the table to not have to run down here and  and look in the thing every so often ,


Yeah. No , no , absolutely , that 's the right way to do it. T to have it uh , just

It 's very convenient especially if Dan happens to be sitting at that end of the table to not have to run down here and  and look in the thing every so often ,

Yeah. And given  given that we 've got a wireless  that we 've got a  we got the field.


It 's very convenient especially if Dan happens to be sitting at that end of the table to not have to run down here and  and look in the thing every so often ,

Yeah. And given  given that we 've got a wireless  that we 've got a  we got the field.


Yeah. And given  given that we 've got a wireless  that we 've got a  we got the field.


Y I mean , we need  obviously need to clear this with ACIRI but , uh , how tough can that be ? There  it you 'd  all you need 's web access , isn't it ?


Y I mean , we need  obviously need to clear this with ACIRI but , uh , how tough can that be ? There  it you 'd  all you need 's web access , isn't it ?

but I mean that 's fine. That 's  that 's what it does ,


but I mean that 's fine. That 's  that 's what it does ,


right , so it 's just a question of getting a laptop and a wireless modem.


right , so it 's just a question of getting a laptop and a wireless modem.

No , and he  he had , reque @ @  my  my proposal is you have a laptop.


No , and he  he had , reque @ @  my  my proposal is you have a laptop.


If  if we bought you the thing would you mind using it with i the  the


If  if we bought you the thing would you mind using it with i the  the

No , I would love to but I 'm not sure if my laptop is compatible with the wave LAN thing they 're using.


No , I would love to but I 'm not sure if my laptop is compatible with the wave LAN thing they 're using.

Well Apple has their own thing , right ?


Well Apple has their own thing , right ?


I thought it just came through a serial p or an Ethernet port.


I thought it just came through a serial p or an Ethernet port.

Yeah , I think what  I think you  I think it just plug plugs in a PC card , so you could probably make it run with that , but.


I thought it just came through a serial p or an Ethernet port.

Yeah , I think what  I think you  I think it just plug plugs in a PC card , so you could probably make it run with that , but.

The question is , is there an Apple driver ?


Yeah , I think what  I think you  I think it just plug plugs in a PC card , so you could probably make it run with that , but.

The question is , is there an Apple driver ?

Yeah , I 'm sure. I imagine there is. But  uh anyway there are  there are abs there are a bunch of machines at ICSI that have those cards


The question is , is there an Apple driver ?

Yeah , I 'm sure. I imagine there is. But  uh anyway there are  there are abs there are a bunch of machines at ICSI that have those cards


Yeah , I 'm sure. I imagine there is. But  uh anyway there are  there are abs there are a bunch of machines at ICSI that have those cards

and so I think if w if it doesn't  we should be able to find a machine that does that. I  I mean I know that doesn't  don't  don't the important people have those little blue VAIOs that


Yeah , I 'm sure. I imagine there is. But  uh anyway there are  there are abs there are a bunch of machines at ICSI that have those cards

and so I think if w if it doesn't  we should be able to find a machine that does that. I  I mean I know that doesn't  don't  don't the important people have those little blue VAIOs that

Well , uh , b that  to me that 's a whole nother. That 's a whole nother issue.


and so I think if w if it doesn't  we should be able to find a machine that does that. I  I mean I know that doesn't  don't  don't the important people have those little blue VAIOs that

Well , uh , b that  to me that 's a whole nother. That 's a whole nother issue.


Well , uh , b that  to me that 's a whole nother. That 's a whole nother issue.

The  the idea of con convincing them that we should use their network i is fairly straight forward.


The  the idea of con convincing them that we should use their network i is fairly straight forward.


The  the idea of con convincing them that we should use their network i is fairly straight forward.

The idea of being able to walk into their office and say , " oh , can I borrow your machine for a while " , is  is  is a non - starter.


The idea of being able to walk into their office and say , " oh , can I borrow your machine for a while " , is  is  is a non - starter.

That  I  I don't think that 's gonna work. So , I mean , either  either we figure out how to use a machine somebody already  in the group already owns ,  a a and the idea is that if it 's it perk , you know , it 's an advantage not  not a disadvan   or else we  we literally buy a machine e exactly for that purpose.


That  I  I don't think that 's gonna work. So , I mean , either  either we figure out how to use a machine somebody already  in the group already owns ,  a a and the idea is that if it 's it perk , you know , it 's an advantage not  not a disadvan   or else we  we literally buy a machine e exactly for that purpose.

Certainly it solves a lot of the problems with leaving a monitor out here all the time.


Certainly it solves a lot of the problems with leaving a monitor out here all the time.

I  I  I  I 'm  I 'm not a big fan of doing things to the room that make the room less attractive for other people ,


I  I  I  I 'm  I 'm not a big fan of doing things to the room that make the room less attractive for other people ,

right ? Which is part of the reason for getting all this stuff out of the way


right ? Which is part of the reason for getting all this stuff out of the way

and   and , so a monitor sitting here all the time you know people are gonna walk up to it and go , " how come I can't get , you know , Pong on this " or , whatev


right ? Which is part of the reason for getting all this stuff out of the way

and   and , so a monitor sitting here all the time you know people are gonna walk up to it and go , " how come I can't get , you know , Pong on this " or , whatev

Mm - hmm. Right. I 've  I 've borrowed the IRAM VAIO Sony thingy ,


and   and , so a monitor sitting here all the time you know people are gonna walk up to it and go , " how come I can't get , you know , Pong on this " or , whatev

Mm - hmm. Right. I 've  I 've borrowed the IRAM VAIO Sony thingy ,


and   and , so a monitor sitting here all the time you know people are gonna walk up to it and go , " how come I can't get , you know , Pong on this " or , whatev

Mm - hmm. Right. I 've  I 've borrowed the IRAM VAIO Sony thingy ,

and I don't think they 're ever gonna want it back.


Mm - hmm. Right. I 've  I 've borrowed the IRAM VAIO Sony thingy ,

and I don't think they 're ever gonna want it back.


and I don't think they 're ever gonna want it back.


But that does mean  so we can use that as well.


But that does mean  so we can use that as well.

Well , uh , the  certainly , u you should give it a shot first See whether you you can get compatible stuff.


But that does mean  so we can use that as well.

Well , uh , the  certainly , u you should give it a shot first See whether you you can get compatible stuff.

Uh , ask them what it costs. Ask them if they have an extra one. Who knows , they might have an extra  hardware s


Well , uh , the  certainly , u you should give it a shot first See whether you you can get compatible stuff.

Uh , ask them what it costs. Ask them if they have an extra one. Who knows , they might have an extra  hardware s

I 'd trade them a flat panel display for it. Yeah.


Uh , ask them what it costs. Ask them if they have an extra one. Who knows , they might have an extra  hardware s

I 'd trade them a flat panel display for it. Yeah.

What is the , um , projector supposed to be hooked up to ?


Uh , ask them what it costs. Ask them if they have an extra one. Who knows , they might have an extra  hardware s

I 'd trade them a flat panel display for it. Yeah.

What is the , um , projector supposed to be hooked up to ?

Good. Uh , the , uh  Tsk. It 's gonna be hooked up to all sorts of junk. There 's gonna be actually a  a plug at the front that 'll connect to people 's laptops so you can walk in and plug it in. And it 's gonna be con connected to the machine at the back. So we certainly could use that as  as a constant reminder of what the VU meters are doing.


I 'd trade them a flat panel display for it. Yeah.

What is the , um , projector supposed to be hooked up to ?

Good. Uh , the , uh  Tsk. It 's gonna be hooked up to all sorts of junk. There 's gonna be actually a  a plug at the front that 'll connect to people 's laptops so you can walk in and plug it in. And it 's gonna be con connected to the machine at the back. So we certainly could use that as  as a constant reminder of what the VU meters are doing.


What is the , um , projector supposed to be hooked up to ?

Good. Uh , the , uh  Tsk. It 's gonna be hooked up to all sorts of junk. There 's gonna be actually a  a plug at the front that 'll connect to people 's laptops so you can walk in and plug it in. And it 's gonna be con connected to the machine at the back. So we certainly could use that as  as a constant reminder of what the VU meters are doing.

So people sitting here  are going  " testing , one , two , three " !


Good. Uh , the , uh  Tsk. It 's gonna be hooked up to all sorts of junk. There 's gonna be actually a  a plug at the front that 'll connect to people 's laptops so you can walk in and plug it in. And it 's gonna be con connected to the machine at the back. So we certainly could use that as  as a constant reminder of what the VU meters are doing.

So people sitting here  are going  " testing , one , two , three " !

But I mean , that 's another  that 's another possibility that , you know , solves


So people sitting here  are going  " testing , one , two , three " !

But I mean , that 's another  that 's another possibility that , you know , solves


But I mean , that 's another  that 's another possibility that , you know , solves


But  but  but I think the idea of having a control panel it 's  that 's there in front of you is really cool.


But  but  but I think the idea of having a control panel it 's  that 's there in front of you is really cool.

I think and uh , having  having it on wireless is  is the neatest way  neatest way to do it.


I think and uh , having  having it on wireless is  is the neatest way  neatest way to do it.


I think and uh , having  having it on wireless is  is the neatest way  neatest way to do it.

As long as you d as l as long as you 're not tempted to sit there and f keep fiddling with the volume controls going , " can you talk a bit louder ? "


As long as you d as l as long as you 're not tempted to sit there and f keep fiddling with the volume controls going , " can you talk a bit louder ? "

I had actually earlier asked if I could borrow one of the cards to do wireless stuff


I had actually earlier asked if I could borrow one of the cards to do wireless stuff

and they said , " sure , whenever you want ". So I think it won't be a problem.


and they said , " sure , whenever you want ". So I think it won't be a problem.

And  and it 's a  a PCMCIA card , right ?


And  and it 's a  a PCMCIA card , right ?


It 's  it really come down to the driver.


Right , I mean , and if  and if his doesn't work , as I said , we can use the PC.


Right , I mean , and if  and if his doesn't work , as I said , we can use the PC.

Right , i it 'll  it 'll work  It 'll work the first time. I  I trust Steve Jobs.


Right , i it 'll  it 'll work  It 'll work the first time. I  I trust Steve Jobs.


well , that sounds like a d good solution one way or the other.


well , that sounds like a d good solution one way or the other.

So Jim is gonna be doing wiring and you 're gonna give some thought to cabinets ?


So Jim is gonna be doing wiring and you 're gonna give some thought to cabinets ?

We  we need to  figure out what we want. Uh


We  we need to  figure out what we want. Uh


We  we need to  figure out what we want. Uh

Hey , what are those green lights doing ?


Hey , what are those green lights doing ?

Uh - oh ! Uh - oh ! Does that  it means  it means it 's gonna explode. No.


Uh - oh ! Uh - oh ! Does that  it means  it means it 's gonna explode. No.


Uh - oh ! Uh - oh ! Does that  it means  it means it 's gonna explode. No.

When people talk , it  they go on and off.


When people talk , it  they go on and off.

This  So again , Washington wants to equip a system. Our system , we spent ten thousand dollars on equipment not including the PC. However , seven and a half thousand of that was the wireless mikes. Uh ,


This  So again , Washington wants to equip a system. Our system , we spent ten thousand dollars on equipment not including the PC. However , seven and a half thousand of that was the wireless mikes. Uh ,

And it  and the f the five thousand for the wires , so if I 'm gonna do  No.


And it  and the f the five thousand for the wires , so if I 'm gonna do  No.


but we haven't spent that , right ? But once we  once we 've done the intellectual part of these , uh , we can just knock them out , right ?


but we haven't spent that , right ? But once we  once we 've done the intellectual part of these , uh , we can just knock them out , right ?

We can start   we  you can make a hundred of them or something.


but we haven't spent that , right ? But once we  once we 've done the intellectual part of these , uh , we can just knock them out , right ?

We can start   we  you can make a hundred of them or something.

Oh , of the  of the boards ? Yeah , yeah , sure , right.


We can start   we  you can make a hundred of them or something.

Oh , of the  of the boards ? Yeah , yeah , sure , right.

And then we could  Washington could have a system that didn't have any wireless but would had  what 's based on these


Oh , of the  of the boards ? Yeah , yeah , sure , right.

And then we could  Washington could have a system that didn't have any wireless but would had  what 's based on these


And then we could  Washington could have a system that didn't have any wireless but would had  what 's based on these


PC and two thousand dollars for the A - to - D stuff.


PC and two thousand dollars for the A - to - D stuff.

And that 's about  cuz you wouldn't even need the mixer if you didn't have the  Oh th  the P Z


And that 's about  cuz you wouldn't even need the mixer if you didn't have the  Oh th  the P Z

P Z Ms cost a lot. But anyway you 'd save , on the seven  seven or eight thousand for the  for the wireless system. So actually that might be attractive.


P Z Ms cost a lot. But anyway you 'd save , on the seven  seven or eight thousand for the  for the wireless system. So actually that might be attractive.


It 's nice  it 's nice to be thinking toward that.


It 's nice  it 's nice to be thinking toward that.

Oh , I thought like if we talked softer the disk lasts longer.


Oh , I thought like if we talked softer the disk lasts longer.

There 's a speech compression program that works great on things like this , cuz if the dynamic range is low it encodes it with fewer bits. And so most of the time no one 's talking so it shortens it dramatically. But  if you talk quieter , the dynamic range is lower and it will compress better. So.


There 's a speech compression program that works great on things like this , cuz if the dynamic range is low it encodes it with fewer bits. And so most of the time no one 's talking so it shortens it dramatically. But  if you talk quieter , the dynamic range is lower and it will compress better. So.


There 's a speech compression program that works great on things like this , cuz if the dynamic range is low it encodes it with fewer bits. And so most of the time no one 's talking so it shortens it dramatically. But  if you talk quieter , the dynamic range is lower and it will compress better. So.

It also helps if you talk in a monotone.


It also helps if you talk in a monotone.


Now , shorter words wouldn't  would induce more dynamics , right ? You want to have


Now , shorter words wouldn't  would induce more dynamics , right ? You want to have

Yeah , but if the words are more predictable.


Yeah , but if the words are more predictable.


Bore da. Unfortunately, the Chair, Lynne Neagle, is unable to attend today's meeting. Therefore, in accordance with Standing Order 17.22, I call for nominations for a temporary Chair, for the duration of the meeting.

Any further nominations? I therefore declare that John Griffiths has been appointed temporary Chair, and I invite him to chair for the duration of today's meeting.


Any further nominations? I therefore declare that John Griffiths has been appointed temporary Chair, and I invite him to chair for the duration of today's meeting.

Thank you very much. I thank the Members for that. Welcome, everyone, to this meeting of the Children, Young People and Education Committee. The first item on our agenda today is apologies, substitutions, declarations of interest. Obviously, Lynne Neagle isn't able to be with us today. We haven't received any other apologies. Are there any declarations of interest? No. We will move on then to item 2 on our agenda, the continuation of our inquiry into targeted funding to improve educational outcomes, and evidence session 8. And I'm very pleased to welcome Estyn here this morning to give evidence to the committee. Would you like to introduce yourselves for the record, please?


Thank you very much. I thank the Members for that. Welcome, everyone, to this meeting of the Children, Young People and Education Committee. The first item on our agenda today is apologies, substitutions, declarations of interest. Obviously, Lynne Neagle isn't able to be with us today. We haven't received any other apologies. Are there any declarations of interest? No. We will move on then to item 2 on our agenda, the continuation of our inquiry into targeted funding to improve educational outcomes, and evidence session 8. And I'm very pleased to welcome Estyn here this morning to give evidence to the committee. Would you like to introduce yourselves for the record, please?


Okay. Thank you. And welcome again. If it's okay, we'll move straight into questions—we have quite a number of questions to get through this morning. Firstly, Llyr.


Okay. Thank you. And welcome again. If it's okay, we'll move straight into questions—we have quite a number of questions to get through this morning. Firstly, Llyr.

Thank you, Chair, and good morning. I just want to start by asking about your perception of how schools are using the pupil development grant funding, and to what extent they are genuinely targeting that funding exclusively towards children eligible for free school meals.