So , as we discussed , we have to switch on switch off whenever we want. And so , we have buttons and using L_C_D_ , or like you can use this  jog wheel and select which ever option on the L_C_D_ , and then do on and off.  Then you ha you'll have volume control. So , you you can press these buttons to increase or decrease the volume.

And we have some L_C_D_ controls. Like , m switching the L_C_D_ display if you want to use L_C_D_ , or you don't want you can just use normal button.

And we have speech recognition. Here you have microphone , and then it date records your voice , and then it try to recognise.


And we have some L_C_D_ controls. Like , m switching the L_C_D_ display if you want to use L_C_D_ , or you don't want you can just use normal button.

And we have speech recognition. Here you have microphone , and then it date records your voice , and then it try to recognise.


And we have speech recognition. Here you have microphone , and then it date records your voice , and then it try to recognise.


And we have speech recognition. Here you have microphone , and then it date records your voice , and then it try to recognise.

And location finder. And we want to do the location basically using speech recogniser. You can just say , where is my remote control.


And location finder. And we want to do the location basically using speech recogniser. You can just say , where is my remote control.


And location finder. And we want to do the location basically using speech recogniser. You can just say , where is my remote control.

Or uh , you can just give some nickname to your remote control , like Bobby .


Or uh , you can just give some nickname to your remote control , like Bobby .


So ,  um our team is now fruits. Mainly strawberry. So , you can  have


So ,  um our team is now fruits. Mainly strawberry. So , you can  have

And then you can see the look L_C_D_ and all the switches.


And then you can see the look L_C_D_ and all the switches.

Material , we want to stick to titanium.  We will send , we want to


And then you can see the look L_C_D_ and all the switches.

Material , we want to stick to titanium.  We will send , we want to

Fruit smelling spongy titanium.  I didn't know it exist , but that's great.


Material , we want to stick to titanium.  We will send , we want to

Fruit smelling spongy titanium.  I didn't know it exist , but that's great.

Yeah , or s  So , we want to have  simple and perfect shapes , like I shown in these phones. You can have your own designs and and you can feel simple designs.   And you can choose colours on your day for each day , or even many colours.


Fruit smelling spongy titanium.  I didn't know it exist , but that's great.

Yeah , or s  So , we want to have  simple and perfect shapes , like I shown in these phones. You can have your own designs and and you can feel simple designs.   And you can choose colours on your day for each day , or even many colours.

Ho-ho. That's for the L_C_D_ or for the titanium ?


Yeah , or s  So , we want to have  simple and perfect shapes , like I shown in these phones. You can have your own designs and and you can feel simple designs.   And you can choose colours on your day for each day , or even many colours.

Ho-ho. That's for the L_C_D_ or for the titanium ?

You mean we can change the colour uh of th


Ho-ho. That's for the L_C_D_ or for the titanium ?

You mean we can change the colour uh of th


You mean we can change the colour uh of th


Yeah. Even you can configure your colours for its  the  depending on your mood , or s


And you can have many colours on weekends. Or


And you can have many colours on weekends. Or

And w wait , wh what are the strawberries for ?   Wh wh


And w wait , wh what are the strawberries for ?   Wh wh


What do you think ?  Strawberry sensors.  Very useful.


What do you think ?  Strawberry sensors.  Very useful.

after this meeting we'll propose a party for our success for


after this meeting we'll propose a party for our success for


after this meeting we'll propose a party for our success for

So , if you are vegetarian or you have any options , please let us know.


So , if you are vegetarian or you have any options , please let us know.

Yeah , and we can just  some strawberry first. Um


Yeah , and we can just  some strawberry first. Um


So , huh. Interesting. In interesting. Mm mm.


So , huh. Interesting. In interesting. Mm mm.

we'll see in the financial part if uh  all    gets into


we'll see in the financial part if uh  all    gets into


W Who is the five uh  fifty millions we  first make a party in ?


W Who is the five uh  fifty millions we  first make a party in ?

Yeah. Then we can discuss  We can    Yeah , then we can have how much for how money is left.


Yeah. Then we can discuss  We can    Yeah , then we can have how much for how money is left.


yeah , let's see if uh th it's meet the evaluation criterium.


yeah , let's see if uh th it's meet the evaluation criterium.

Mm-hmm. Let's see if this  Yeah , if you meet  the evaluation criterion.


Mm-hmm. Let's see if this  Yeah , if you meet  the evaluation criterion.


Yeah. So , evaluation please. So. You made a very nice prototype , and um , I think , we now need altogether to try to evaluate it to see if it makes sense to do it , if it fulfils our  what we want to do , and things like that. So mm   Uh , next slide , please.  As you know , before going and uh creating and producing these strawberry  uh  remote control , it's very important to first verify if it makes sense , if we have a chance to sell it.


Yeah. So , evaluation please. So. You made a very nice prototype , and um , I think , we now need altogether to try to evaluate it to see if it makes sense to do it , if it fulfils our  what we want to do , and things like that. So mm   Uh , next slide , please.  As you know , before going and uh creating and producing these strawberry  uh  remote control , it's very important to first verify if it makes sense , if we have a chance to sell it.

Uh , so we need to evaluate it um , try to do it in a constative way , and as much as we can. To  so what I propose is that we are going to to have this scale from one to seven. One meaning that , ye yes uh it fulfils uh the the criterion , whatever it is. And seven meaning , no it doesn't fulfil at all. And we're all l going to list all the criterion. I'm going to go to that next slide ,


Uh , so we need to evaluate it um , try to do it in a constative way , and as much as we can. To  so what I propose is that we are going to to have this scale from one to seven. One meaning that , ye yes uh it fulfils uh the the criterion , whatever it is. And seven meaning , no it doesn't fulfil at all. And we're all l going to list all the criterion. I'm going to go to that next slide ,

and together try to evaluate this according to this criterion and from one to seven. And then we are just going to have an average , which will give us the value of our uh remote control. So , maybe we can have a look at the criteria ?


and together try to evaluate this according to this criterion and from one to seven. And then we are just going to have an average , which will give us the value of our uh remote control. So , maybe we can have a look at the criteria ?

So these are the criterion uh I'm  I thought were important. Of course , this can be discussed , but let's let's see , so let's vote. So we have fancy here and we have the scale from one to seven with four in the middle.


So these are the criterion uh I'm  I thought were important. Of course , this can be discussed , but let's let's see , so let's vote. So we have fancy here and we have the scale from one to seven with four in the middle.


Uh , I think that fancy , we can say it is fancy.


Uh , I think that fancy , we can say it is fancy.

It is very very fancy. Or have you ever seen something like that ?


Uh , I think that fancy , we can say it is fancy.

It is very very fancy. Or have you ever seen something like that ?

Oh. I am not the d the only one choosing , yeah.


It is very very fancy. Or have you ever seen something like that ?

Oh. I am not the d the only one choosing , yeah.


Oh. I am not the d the only one choosing , yeah.


We're on the fanciness now. I think it's quite fancy.


We're on the fanciness now. I think it's quite fancy.

We can give at least five or six , seven.


We can give at least five or six , seven.


We can give at least five or six , seven.

Oh ,  Oh. So  Oh , okay. Yeah , okay. Oh , okay. So


Oh ,  Oh. So  Oh , okay. Yeah , okay. Oh , okay. So

Yeah , o one means it's , yes , a very fancy and seven mean no at all.


Yeah , o one means it's , yes , a very fancy and seven mean no at all.


So , what about technology ? We have uh we have speech recognition , we have location based  ,


d I think it's a one for that , at least.


So  let's suppose my daughter take it and um   and through it away.


So  let's suppose my daughter take it and um   and through it away.

Do you think it makes sense that it's going to live again ? Uh , maybe not the prototype.


Do you think it makes sense that it's going to live again ? Uh , maybe not the prototype.


It's still it's still working , and your daughter got a bonus.


Useful.  Well , so the question is does it have uh the minimum requirement of re remote control ?


Useful.  Well , so the question is does it have uh the minimum requirement of re remote control ?

So I don't know. These buttons are uh  It not clear.


So I don't know. These buttons are uh  It not clear.


Yeah , channel. I this is volume control and channel changes. These are the main


Yeah. Yeah , and you can do on L_C_D_ using these going to scrolling all the option.


Yeah. Yeah , and you can do on L_C_D_ using these going to scrolling all the option.

So but , for instance , because the L_C_D_ is not uh touch control , touch screen , you cannot go to channel twenty five directly.


So but , for instance , because the L_C_D_ is not uh touch control , touch screen , you cannot go to channel twenty five directly.


Yeah. So that's simple. The basic mode is uh you got just two buttons and a jog dial.


Yeah. So that's simple. The basic mode is uh you got just two buttons and a jog dial.

With two buttons , you do this like uh volume up , volume down.


With two buttons , you do this like uh volume up , volume down.

Or if you go to the site , it's channel up channel down.


Or if you go to the site , it's channel up channel down.


Or if you go to the site , it's channel up channel down.

And if you want to make to s twenty-five , you push on this.


And if you want to make to s twenty-five , you push on this.


It's much longer than that that being two two five , no ?


It's much longer than that that being two two five , no ?

Don't you think so ? May  not  okay , we can go. That's uh  You're right.


It's much longer than that that being two two five , no ?

Don't you think so ? May  not  okay , we can go. That's uh  You're right.

Yeah , yeah , yeah. Y you need to like press two and five and  Yeah.


Don't you think so ? May  not  okay , we can go. That's uh  You're right.

Yeah , yeah , yeah. Y you need to like press two and five and  Yeah.

That's  it's less uh  Yeah. But it's it's nice , because people anyway don't go there.


Yeah , yeah , yeah. Y you need to like press two and five and  Yeah.

That's  it's less uh  Yeah. But it's it's nice , because people anyway don't go there.

But   So what do you think for it , usefulness ?


That's  it's less uh  Yeah. But it's it's nice , because people anyway don't go there.

But   So what do you think for it , usefulness ?

So , d Yeah , we need to address  we want


But   So what do you think for it , usefulness ?

So , d Yeah , we need to address  we want


But   So what do you think for it , usefulness ?

So , d Yeah , we need to address  we want

we only address two main functions here and the other functions will be on L_C_D_. So


So , d Yeah , we need to address  we want

we only address two main functions here and the other functions will be on L_C_D_. So


we only address two main functions here and the other functions will be on L_C_D_. So


we only address two main functions here and the other functions will be on L_C_D_. So

because I'm not sure  that's for  that this one are b d uh two dir directional button.


because I'm not sure  that's for  that this one are b d uh two dir directional button.


It's a jog dial for controlling the cursor on the L_C_D_ screen.


It's a jog dial for controlling the cursor on the L_C_D_ screen.

Okay , okay. It's a kind  Oh , okay okay.


Okay , okay. It's a kind  Oh , okay okay.


Okay , okay. It's a kind  Oh , okay okay.

Yeah. Um ,  see in L_C_D_ , like you will have blocks and you select which one.


Yeah. Um ,  see in L_C_D_ , like you will have blocks and you select which one.


Is it the the the effective size and weight that the  Is it uh real size , real weight ? Or  Because it


The weight will be bit lighter. We will s We use titanium.


The weight will be bit lighter. We will s We use titanium.

without titanium alloy , it's going to be light.


without titanium alloy , it's going to be light.


because this seems to be very heavy f I mean ,


But sides  uh , the sides should be okay. . Yeah


because I'm  haven't seen the weight so I must not uh


Well , so colour , it seems that we have the several colours for the L_C_D_.


Well , so colour , it seems that we have the several colours for the L_C_D_.

But um , it's not very clear what is the colour of the sh the sh  the case.


But um , it's not very clear what is the colour of the sh the sh  the case.


But um , it's not very clear what is the colour of the sh the sh  the case.

It's a  it's going to be titanium. Okay , okay.


It's a  it's going to be titanium. Okay , okay.


And what about the strawberries on the top ?  I'm not convince.  But maybe I'm not trendy. But , uh


And what about the strawberries on the top ?  I'm not convince.  But maybe I'm not trendy. But , uh

Yahoo.   Well y you know , it's this uh fruit and vegetable year.


Yahoo.   Well y you know , it's this uh fruit and vegetable year.


Uh , I think usefulness is m as as I rem um just have to remind you that usefulness is much less important than fanciness.


Whether it's fancy or not now , it  we have to decide.


I would have m uh i found more fancy that the fruits are useful.


I would have m uh i found more fancy that the fruits are useful.

If it's  Uh-huh. So , that they will  that maybe the fruit may be here instead.


I would have m uh i found more fancy that the fruits are useful.

If it's  Uh-huh. So , that they will  that maybe the fruit may be here instead.

Yeah , well then it's bit difficult to use. Not like this d We're just giving the fruit for more fanciness and more attraction , too.


If it's  Uh-huh. So , that they will  that maybe the fruit may be here instead.

Yeah , well then it's bit difficult to use. Not like this d We're just giving the fruit for more fanciness and more attraction , too.


Yeah , well then it's bit difficult to use. Not like this d We're just giving the fruit for more fanciness and more attraction , too.

So , maybe think we can have rubber or some sponges , stuff for strawberries and different colours.


So , maybe think we can have rubber or some sponges , stuff for strawberries and different colours.


So , maybe think we can have rubber or some sponges , stuff for strawberries and different colours.

So , it seems we are not so clear on the shape uh


So , it seems we are not so clear on the shape uh


I It's  n  no , it's not fancy any more.


I It's  n  no , it's not fancy any more.

I mean , the f Yeah. So these are kind of rubber things. Even if you lose one you can just put whatever.


I mean , the f Yeah. So these are kind of rubber things. Even if you lose one you can just put whatever.

Even we can provide many different colours or different fruits , and


Even we can provide many different colours or different fruits , and

Uh-huh. And different routes. Okay , I see what


Even we can provide many different colours or different fruits , and

Uh-huh. And different routes. Okay , I see what

Moreover , moreover it covers it covers all the end goals. Even if it is , you know , it's very rounded ,


Uh-huh. And different routes. Okay , I see what

Moreover , moreover it covers it covers all the end goals. Even if it is , you know , it's very rounded ,

but still you got some rubber fruit here , and it's completely uh completely secure to leave it uh with children and that.


Moreover , moreover it covers it covers all the end goals. Even if it is , you know , it's very rounded ,

but still you got some rubber fruit here , and it's completely uh completely secure to leave it uh with children and that.


but still you got some rubber fruit here , and it's completely uh completely secure to leave it uh with children and that.

Okay , so you you you feel like it's something uh a protection for the remote control.


but still you got some rubber fruit here , and it's completely uh completely secure to leave it uh with children and that.

Okay , so you you you feel like it's something uh a protection for the remote control.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah , we've  yeah we have sensors here and so here and here ,


Okay , so you you you feel like it's something uh a protection for the remote control.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah , we've  yeah we have sensors here and so here and here ,


Okay , so you you you feel like it's something uh a protection for the remote control.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah , we've  yeah we have sensors here and so here and here ,

so we just  Yeah , so even if you don't put , it works. But this is really fancy.


Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah , we've  yeah we have sensors here and so here and here ,

so we just  Yeah , so even if you don't put , it works. But this is really fancy.


so we just  Yeah , so even if you don't put , it works. But this is really fancy.


Because uh , everybody s doesn't seem to be convince ,


And uh the last one is adaptive. This is not r maybe not as important as the other one ,


And uh the last one is adaptive. This is not r maybe not as important as the other one ,

but uh can we adapt it to each each personal use ?


And uh the last one is adaptive. This is not r maybe not as important as the other one ,

but uh can we adapt it to each each personal use ?

Sure , sure , just look at it.  It's full adaptable.


but uh can we adapt it to each each personal use ?

Sure , sure , just look at it.  It's full adaptable.


Sure , sure , just look at it.  It's full adaptable.


Yeah , you can fit it into your palm , you know.


Yeah , you can fit it into your palm , you know.

That's  Yeah.  So you can fit into your palm , okay.


That's  Yeah.  So you can fit into your palm , okay.


You  Do you think you are gonna be able to do that with ti titanium as well ?


Yeah , fruit titanium , yeah. Well , I if if this is  if you are ready to do that , then I think it deserves a one.


Okay.  Two point one seven. That's nice. Two point one seven out of seven.


Well , that's all I had to say about the evaluation.


Okay. So now , it has to fulfil the  financial criterium ?


No , number is one. We need only one battery.


Uh , it's it's okay that I don't know , 'cause uh it's not my field. Twelve bucks. Okay ,


And then we have the t sample speaker sensor for speech recognition.


Okay. So the case , which one uh is it in the end ?


Okay. So the case , which one uh is it in the end ?

Yeah , I think we will go for a single curve , no ?


Yeah , I think we will go for a single curve , no ?


you  Look. It's curvable , but it's not curved.


you  Look. It's curvable , but it's not curved.

Maybe there is a supplement for that  , no ?


Maybe there is a supplement for that  , no ?

Oh see , I I think  that the the price is this one.


Oh see , I I think  that the the price is this one.


Yeah.  But she wanted u the  fudge titanium.


I think it's five , but   you don't say .


Uh , is it a scroll wheel and pe push button , th this centre one ?


You are trying to make make up   make us up.


No , but you select with the two d the other two buttons ,


No , but you select with the two d the other two buttons ,

Yeah , I mean you you go on the location with your scroll wheel


Yeah , I mean you you go on the location with your scroll wheel


Then it automatically  we can just do like you feel , it goes. And it will activate


Um , plus , yeah , it's  price is really


Special colour ? Yeah. No. Special material ?


Yeah , buttons are the standard buttons. Yeah. It's only buttons , these.


And buttons are not colourised ? They are m


And buttons are not colourised ? They are m

I think uh because you can just go for a good colours.


I think uh because you can just go for a good colours.


Boo-hoo.  It's already too expensive.  Apparently.


Boo-hoo.  It's already too expensive.  Apparently.

So what is  Are we supposed to cut things out now ?


So what is  Are we supposed to cut things out now ?


Well , if I look at what is the most expensive things , uh it's the L_C_D_


Apparently , we have to choose one or the other.


Apparently , we have to choose one or the other.

Well , as you may know there's some research done in the field of producing energy from mechanical eng , I mean , producing electricity from mechanical energy. So , the point is that when you take device and push the button , you produce enough energy


Well , as you may know there's some research done in the field of producing energy from mechanical eng , I mean , producing electricity from mechanical energy. So , the point is that when you take device and push the button , you produce enough energy


Well , as you may know there's some research done in the field of producing energy from mechanical eng , I mean , producing electricity from mechanical energy. So , the point is that when you take device and push the button , you produce enough energy

to make electricity. Yeah , that you don't need a battery. So , it's something like hand dynamo robot. A real high-tech version of it.


to make electricity. Yeah , that you don't need a battery. So , it's something like hand dynamo robot. A real high-tech version of it.


Maybe the jog wheel can be like kind of hand


Maybe the jog wheel can be like kind of hand

So , but if we select the hand dynamo it's okay , we only


So , but if we select the hand dynamo it's okay , we only


So uh , about chips. Advanced chip on print , right ?


Yeah , yeah , yeah , if  Click somewhere , you'll see features.


Maybe put minus two , so it looks uh  more reasonable.


So now on , we can increase our   Still you have two more.


So now on , we can increase our   Still you have two more.

Oh , we can put uh a hand dynamo and a battery if you want.


Oh , we can put uh a hand dynamo and a battery if you want.


Uh , it's better. I think they are counting uh


So , remove one of them. Yeah. Okay. Okay , we're uh on target.


So , remove one of them. Yeah. Okay. Okay , we're uh on target.

Uh , mm-mm. Yeah. Mm. Okay. Mm. So  target reached.


Uh , mm-mm. Yeah. Mm. Okay. Mm. So  target reached.


Trick . Uh , I would say it's the Russian trick , but


they may have some their origins , strange origins


they may have some their origins , strange origins

I don't know. I am not sure who was programming this calculator , you know. 'Cause uh  I wonder if we put A_ or B_ somewhere instead of a number.


I don't know. I am not sure who was programming this calculator , you know. 'Cause uh  I wonder if we put A_ or B_ somewhere instead of a number.

And we can discuss all these things in our party.


And we can discuss all these things in our party.


so finance , that's done. Are the cost under twelve ?


Yeah. Yeah. Mm. See mm how   Are we a good team ? Mm.


Yeah. Yeah. Mm. See mm how   Are we a good team ? Mm.

Yeah , I think we've listened to everybody.


Yeah , I think we've listened to everybody.


Yeah. When we see the results , there is no doubt there


Yeah. When we see the results , there is no doubt there

Mm.  Oh.  Okay.  Well , project evaluation.


Mm.  Oh.  Okay.  Well , project evaluation.


Team-work , no problem. Means. Whiteboard , digital pens.


Team-work , no problem. Means. Whiteboard , digital pens.

What was the  Oh yeah , what was good ? Everything. What was bad ?


Team-work , no problem. Means. Whiteboard , digital pens.

What was the  Oh yeah , what was good ? Everything. What was bad ?

Yeah , I think white-board is useful. Digital pens , useful.


What was the  Oh yeah , what was good ? Everything. What was bad ?

Yeah , I think white-board is useful. Digital pens , useful.


Yeah , I think white-board is useful. Digital pens , useful.


Yeah. A good leader , you know , a good leader is somewhere in the shade and


Yeah. A good leader , you know , a good leader is somewhere in the shade and

but uh then I I mus That's true. And there's uh one very important point.


but uh then I I mus That's true. And there's uh one very important point.


Meetings finish when they have to or even before.


Meetings finish when they have to or even before.

The  for meeting it's uh one of the most important thing.


The  for meeting it's uh one of the most important thing.


Yeah. Yeah , we have other  uh remote controls to create.


Ah , we got new idea , speech recognition , location finding. New materials , new s uh this fancy strawberry design.


just wondering if my uh  what about the the pink   the pinkness of that uh


just wondering if my uh  what about the the pink   the pinkness of that uh

Mm. Mm. They're working on um pink titanium.


Mm. Mm. They're working on um pink titanium.


There's no no other words for that.   We are probably the best.


Ah , celebration. Are the costs within the budget ?


So , we see , we can even forecast.  they propose us like celebration , everything ,


I'm the one ,  proposing the celebration.


We can say the word " zero " all we want ,


We can say the word " zero " all we want ,

square brackets , coffee sipping , square brackets.


square brackets , coffee sipping , square brackets.


Do we use square brackets for anything ?


There 's gonna be some zeros from this morning 's meeting because I noticed that


There 's gonna be some zeros from this morning 's meeting because I noticed that

Barry , I think maybe you turned your mike off before the digits were  Oh , was it during digits ? Oh , so it doesn't matter.


Barry , I think maybe you turned your mike off before the digits were  Oh , was it during digits ? Oh , so it doesn't matter.

So it 's not  it 's not that bad if it 's at the end , but it 's  in the beginning , it 's  bad.


So it 's not  it 's not that bad if it 's at the end , but it 's  in the beginning , it 's  bad.


So it 's not  it 's not that bad if it 's at the end , but it 's  in the beginning , it 's  bad.

Yeah , you wanna  you wanna keep them on so you get  good noise  noise floors , through the whole meeting.


Yeah , you wanna  you wanna keep them on so you get  good noise  noise floors , through the whole meeting.

Uh , I probably just should have left it on. Yeah I did have to run , but


Yeah , you wanna  you wanna keep them on so you get  good noise  noise floors , through the whole meeting.

Uh , I probably just should have left it on. Yeah I did have to run , but

Is there any way to change that in the software ?


Uh , I probably just should have left it on. Yeah I did have to run , but

Is there any way to change that in the software ?


Uh , I probably just should have left it on. Yeah I did have to run , but

Is there any way to change that in the software ?

Where like you just don't  like if you  if it starts catching zeros , like in the driver or something  in the card , or somewhere in the hardware  Where if you start seeing zeros on w across one channel , you just add some  random , @ @  noise floor  like a small noise floor.


Is there any way to change that in the software ?

Where like you just don't  like if you  if it starts catching zeros , like in the driver or something  in the card , or somewhere in the hardware  Where if you start seeing zeros on w across one channel , you just add some  random , @ @  noise floor  like a small noise floor.

I mean certainly we could do that , but I don't think that 's a good idea. We can do that in post - processing if  if the application needs it.


Where like you just don't  like if you  if it starts catching zeros , like in the driver or something  in the card , or somewhere in the hardware  Where if you start seeing zeros on w across one channel , you just add some  random , @ @  noise floor  like a small noise floor.

I mean certainly we could do that , but I don't think that 's a good idea. We can do that in post - processing if  if the application needs it.


I mean certainly we could do that , but I don't think that 's a good idea. We can do that in post - processing if  if the application needs it.

Well , I  u I actually don't know what the default  is anymore as to how we 're using the  the front - end stuff but  for  for  when we use the ICSI front - end ,


Well , I  u I actually don't know what the default  is anymore as to how we 're using the  the front - end stuff but  for  for  when we use the ICSI front - end ,


Well , I  u I actually don't know what the default  is anymore as to how we 're using the  the front - end stuff but  for  for  when we use the ICSI front - end ,

but um , there is an  there is an o an option in  in RASTA , which , um ,  in when I first put it in , uh , back in the days when I actually wrote things , uh ,  I  did actually put in a random bit or so that was in it ,


but um , there is an  there is an o an option in  in RASTA , which , um ,  in when I first put it in , uh , back in the days when I actually wrote things , uh ,  I  did actually put in a random bit or so that was in it ,

but  then I realized that putting in a random bit was equivalent to adding uh  adding flat spectrum ,


but  then I realized that putting in a random bit was equivalent to adding uh  adding flat spectrum ,

and it was a lot faster to just add a constant to the   to the spectrum. So then I just started doing that


and it was a lot faster to just add a constant to the   to the spectrum. So then I just started doing that

instead of calling " rand "  or something ,


instead of calling " rand "  or something ,

so. So it d it does that. Gee ! Here we all are !


instead of calling " rand "  or something ,

so. So it d it does that. Gee ! Here we all are !

Uh , so the only agenda items were Jane  was Jane wanted to talk about some of the IBM transcription process.


so. So it d it does that. Gee ! Here we all are !

Uh , so the only agenda items were Jane  was Jane wanted to talk about some of the IBM transcription process.


so. So it d it does that. Gee ! Here we all are !

Uh , so the only agenda items were Jane  was Jane wanted to talk about some of the IBM transcription process.

I sort of  condensed the three things you said into that. And then just  I only have like , this afternoon and maybe tomorrow morning to get anything done before I go to Japan for ten days. So if there 's anything that n absolutely , desperately needs to be done , you should let me know now.


Uh , so the only agenda items were Jane  was Jane wanted to talk about some of the IBM transcription process.

I sort of  condensed the three things you said into that. And then just  I only have like , this afternoon and maybe tomorrow morning to get anything done before I go to Japan for ten days. So if there 's anything that n absolutely , desperately needs to be done , you should let me know now.

Uh , and you just sent off a Eurospeech paper , so.


I sort of  condensed the three things you said into that. And then just  I only have like , this afternoon and maybe tomorrow morning to get anything done before I go to Japan for ten days. So if there 's anything that n absolutely , desperately needs to be done , you should let me know now.

Uh , and you just sent off a Eurospeech paper , so.


Uh , and you just sent off a Eurospeech paper , so.

I mean , I  both actu as  as a submission and   you know , as a paper. Um  but


I mean , I  both actu as  as a submission and   you know , as a paper. Um  but


I mean , I  both actu as  as a submission and   you know , as a paper. Um  but

Yeah , I guess you  first you have to do the first one ,


Yeah , I guess you  first you have to do the first one ,


Yeah , I guess you  first you have to do the first one ,

We actually exceeded the delayed deadline by o another day , so.


We actually exceeded the delayed deadline by o another day , so.


We actually exceeded the delayed deadline by o another day , so.

Oh they  they had some extension that they announced or something ?


We actually exceeded the delayed deadline by o another day , so.

Oh they  they had some extension that they announced or something ?

Well yeah. Liz had sent them a note saying " could we please  have another "   I don't know , " three days " or something , and they said yes.


Oh they  they had some extension that they announced or something ?

Well yeah. Liz had sent them a note saying " could we please  have another "   I don't know , " three days " or something , and they said yes.


Well yeah. Liz had sent them a note saying " could we please  have another "   I don't know , " three days " or something , and they said yes.


uh , Dave Gelbart sent me email , I think he sent it to you too ,  that um , there 's a special topic , section in si in Eurospeech on new , corp corpors corpora. And it 's not due until like May fifteenth.


I s forwarded it to Jane as I thought being the most relevant person. Um  So , I thought it was highly relevant


Yeah. I think so too. Um , I haven't gotten over to there yet ,


Yeah. I think so too. Um , I haven't gotten over to there yet ,

but what  our discussion yesterday , I really  I  I wanna submit one.


Yeah. I think so too. Um , I haven't gotten over to there yet ,

but what  our discussion yesterday , I really  I  I wanna submit one.

Was this  SmartKom message ? I think  Christoph Draxler sent this ,


but what  our discussion yesterday , I really  I  I wanna submit one.

Was this  SmartKom message ? I think  Christoph Draxler sent this ,

Yeah. And , you offered to  to join me , if you want me to.


Was this  SmartKom message ? I think  Christoph Draxler sent this ,

Yeah. And , you offered to  to join me , if you want me to.


Yeah. And , you offered to  to join me , if you want me to.

but obviously I can't , really do , most of it ,


but obviously I can't , really do , most of it ,


But any  any help you need I can certainly provide.


Well  there  there were some interesting results in this paper , though. For instance that Morgan  uh , accounted for fifty - six percent of the Robustness meetings in terms of number of words.


because  is it partly , eh , c correctly identified words ? Or is it  or just overall volume ?


because  is it partly , eh , c correctly identified words ? Or is it  or just overall volume ?

No. Well , according to the transcripts.


because  is it partly , eh , c correctly identified words ? Or is it  or just overall volume ?

No. Well , according to the transcripts.

But re well regardless. I think it 's  he 's  he 's in all of them ,


No. Well , according to the transcripts.

But re well regardless. I think it 's  he 's  he 's in all of them ,


But re well regardless. I think it 's  he 's  he 's in all of them ,

I mean , we didn't mention Morgan by name


I mean , we didn't mention Morgan by name


Did you identify him as a senior  member ?


Did you identify him as a senior  member ?

No , we as identify him as the person dominating the conversation.


No , we as identify him as the person dominating the conversation.


I mean I get these AARP things , but I 'm not se really senior yet , but


but uh , other than that delightful result , what was the rest of the paper about ?


but uh , other than that delightful result , what was the rest of the paper about ?

Um , well it was about  it had three sections


but uh , other than that delightful result , what was the rest of the paper about ?

Um , well it was about  it had three sections

You sent it to me but I haven't seen it yet.


but uh , other than that delightful result , what was the rest of the paper about ?

Um , well it was about  it had three sections

You sent it to me but I haven't seen it yet.

uh  three kinds of uh results , if you will. Uh , the one was that the  just the  the amount of overlap


Um , well it was about  it had three sections

You sent it to me but I haven't seen it yet.

uh  three kinds of uh results , if you will. Uh , the one was that the  just the  the amount of overlap


You sent it to me but I haven't seen it yet.

uh  three kinds of uh results , if you will. Uh , the one was that the  just the  the amount of overlap

um , s in terms of  in terms of number of words and also we computed something called a " spurt " , which is essentially a stretch of speech with uh , no pauses exceeding five hundred milliseconds. Um , and we computed how many overlapped i uh spurts there were and how many overlapped words there were.  Um , for four different  corpora , the Meeting Recorder meetings , the Robustness meetings Switchboard and CallHome , and , found  and sort of compared the numbers. Um , and found that the , uh , you know , as you might expect the Meeting Recorder  meetings had the most overlap uh , but next were Switchboard and CallHome , which both had roughly the same , almost identical in fact , and the Robustness meetings were  had the least , so  One sort of unexpected result there is that uh two - party telephone conversations have  about the same amount of overlap ,


uh  three kinds of uh results , if you will. Uh , the one was that the  just the  the amount of overlap

um , s in terms of  in terms of number of words and also we computed something called a " spurt " , which is essentially a stretch of speech with uh , no pauses exceeding five hundred milliseconds. Um , and we computed how many overlapped i uh spurts there were and how many overlapped words there were.  Um , for four different  corpora , the Meeting Recorder meetings , the Robustness meetings Switchboard and CallHome , and , found  and sort of compared the numbers. Um , and found that the , uh , you know , as you might expect the Meeting Recorder  meetings had the most overlap uh , but next were Switchboard and CallHome , which both had roughly the same , almost identical in fact , and the Robustness meetings were  had the least , so  One sort of unexpected result there is that uh two - party telephone conversations have  about the same amount of overlap ,


um , s in terms of  in terms of number of words and also we computed something called a " spurt " , which is essentially a stretch of speech with uh , no pauses exceeding five hundred milliseconds. Um , and we computed how many overlapped i uh spurts there were and how many overlapped words there were.  Um , for four different  corpora , the Meeting Recorder meetings , the Robustness meetings Switchboard and CallHome , and , found  and sort of compared the numbers. Um , and found that the , uh , you know , as you might expect the Meeting Recorder  meetings had the most overlap uh , but next were Switchboard and CallHome , which both had roughly the same , almost identical in fact , and the Robustness meetings were  had the least , so  One sort of unexpected result there is that uh two - party telephone conversations have  about the same amount of overlap ,

sort of in gen you know  order of magnitude - wise as , uh  as face - to - face meetings with multiple


um , s in terms of  in terms of number of words and also we computed something called a " spurt " , which is essentially a stretch of speech with uh , no pauses exceeding five hundred milliseconds. Um , and we computed how many overlapped i uh spurts there were and how many overlapped words there were.  Um , for four different  corpora , the Meeting Recorder meetings , the Robustness meetings Switchboard and CallHome , and , found  and sort of compared the numbers. Um , and found that the , uh , you know , as you might expect the Meeting Recorder  meetings had the most overlap uh , but next were Switchboard and CallHome , which both had roughly the same , almost identical in fact , and the Robustness meetings were  had the least , so  One sort of unexpected result there is that uh two - party telephone conversations have  about the same amount of overlap ,

sort of in gen you know  order of magnitude - wise as , uh  as face - to - face meetings with multiple

I have  I had better start changing all my slides !


sort of in gen you know  order of magnitude - wise as , uh  as face - to - face meetings with multiple

I have  I had better start changing all my slides !

Yeah. Also , I  in the Levinson , the pragmatics book ,  in you know , uh , textbook ,  there 's  I found this great quote where he says  you know  you know , how people  it talks about how uh  how  how people are so good at turn taking ,


I have  I had better start changing all my slides !

Yeah. Also , I  in the Levinson , the pragmatics book ,  in you know , uh , textbook ,  there 's  I found this great quote where he says  you know  you know , how people  it talks about how uh  how  how people are so good at turn taking ,

and  so  they 're so good that  generally , u the overlapped speech does not  is less than five percent.


Yeah. Also , I  in the Levinson , the pragmatics book ,  in you know , uh , textbook ,  there 's  I found this great quote where he says  you know  you know , how people  it talks about how uh  how  how people are so good at turn taking ,

and  so  they 're so good that  generally , u the overlapped speech does not  is less than five percent.


and  so  they 're so good that  generally , u the overlapped speech does not  is less than five percent.

So , this is way more than five percent.


and  so  they 're so good that  generally , u the overlapped speech does not  is less than five percent.

So , this is way more than five percent.

Did he mean face  like face - to - face ? Or  ?


So , this is way more than five percent.

Did he mean face  like face - to - face ? Or  ?


Did he mean face  like face - to - face ? Or  ?


It 's s what these conversation analysts have been studying for years and years there.


It 's s what these conversation analysts have been studying for years and years there.

Well , of course , no , it doesn't necessarily go against what he said , cuz he said " generally speaking ". In order to  to go against that kind of a claim you 'd have to big canvassing.


Well , of course , no , it doesn't necessarily go against what he said , cuz he said " generally speaking ". In order to  to go against that kind of a claim you 'd have to big canvassing.


Yeah , we  we have pretty limited sample here.


Yeah , we  we have pretty limited sample here.

Five percent of time or five percent of what ?


Five percent of time or five percent of what ?


It 's  i it 's not against his conclusion ,


It 's  i it 's not against his conclusion ,

it just says that it 's a bi bell curve , and that ,  you have something that has a nice range , in your sampling.


It 's  i it 's not against his conclusion ,

it just says that it 's a bi bell curve , and that ,  you have something that has a nice range , in your sampling.

Yeah. So there are slight  There are differences in how you measure it , but still it 's   You know , the difference between um  between that number and what we have in meetings , which is more like ,  you know , close to  in meetings like these , uh  you know , close to twenty percent.


it just says that it 's a bi bell curve , and that ,  you have something that has a nice range , in your sampling.

Yeah. So there are slight  There are differences in how you measure it , but still it 's   You know , the difference between um  between that number and what we have in meetings , which is more like ,  you know , close to  in meetings like these , uh  you know , close to twenty percent.


it just says that it 's a bi bell curve , and that ,  you have something that has a nice range , in your sampling.

Yeah. So there are slight  There are differences in how you measure it , but still it 's   You know , the difference between um  between that number and what we have in meetings , which is more like ,  you know , close to  in meetings like these , uh  you know , close to twenty percent.

But what was it like , say , in the Robustness meeting , for instance ?


Yeah. So there are slight  There are differences in how you measure it , but still it 's   You know , the difference between um  between that number and what we have in meetings , which is more like ,  you know , close to  in meetings like these , uh  you know , close to twenty percent.

But what was it like , say , in the Robustness meeting , for instance ?


But what was it like , say , in the Robustness meeting , for instance ?


But what was it like , say , in the Robustness meeting , for instance ?

Robustness meeting ? It was  about half of the r So ,  in terms of number of words , it 's like seventeen or eigh eighteen percent for the Meeting Recorder meetings and  about half that for ,  uh , the Robustness.


Robustness meeting ? It was  about half of the r So ,  in terms of number of words , it 's like seventeen or eigh eighteen percent for the Meeting Recorder meetings and  about half that for ,  uh , the Robustness.


Robustness meeting ? It was  about half of the r So ,  in terms of number of words , it 's like seventeen or eigh eighteen percent for the Meeting Recorder meetings and  about half that for ,  uh , the Robustness.

But I don't know if that 's really a fair way of comparing between , multi - party , conversations and two - party conversations. Yeah. I  I  I don't know.


But I don't know if that 's really a fair way of comparing between , multi - party , conversations and two - party conversations. Yeah. I  I  I don't know.


But I don't know if that 's really a fair way of comparing between , multi - party , conversations and two - party conversations. Yeah. I  I  I don't know.

Yeah , I just wonder if you have to normalize by the numbers of speakers or something.


Yeah , I just wonder if you have to normalize by the numbers of speakers or something.


Yeah , I just wonder if you have to normalize by the numbers of speakers or something.

Then  Yeah , then normalize by  by something like that ,


Then  Yeah , then normalize by  by something like that ,


but this obvious thing to see if  if there 's a dependence on the number of uh  participants.


but this obvious thing to see if  if there 's a dependence on the number of uh  participants.

I mean  I bet there 's a weak dependence. I 'm sure it 's  it 's not a real strong one.


I mean  I bet there 's a weak dependence. I 'm sure it 's  it 's not a real strong one.


You have a lot of  a lot of two - party , subsets within the meeting.


You have a lot of  a lot of two - party , subsets within the meeting.

Well regardless  it 's an interesting result regardless.


Well regardless  it 's an interesting result regardless.


Well regardless  it 's an interesting result regardless.

And  and  and then  and we also d computed this both with and without backchannels ,


And  and  and then  and we also d computed this both with and without backchannels ,


And  and  and then  and we also d computed this both with and without backchannels ,

so you might think that backchannels have a special status because they 're essentially just


And  and  and then  and we also d computed this both with and without backchannels ,

so you might think that backchannels have a special status because they 're essentially just

Uh - huh. So , did  we all said " uh - huh " and nodded at the same time ,


so you might think that backchannels have a special status because they 're essentially just

Uh - huh. So , did  we all said " uh - huh " and nodded at the same time ,


Uh - huh. So , did  we all said " uh - huh " and nodded at the same time ,

But , even if you take out all the backchannels  so basically you treat backchannels l as nonspeech , as pauses ,


But , even if you take out all the backchannels  so basically you treat backchannels l as nonspeech , as pauses ,


But , even if you take out all the backchannels  so basically you treat backchannels l as nonspeech , as pauses ,

you still have significant overlap. You know , it goes down from maybe  For Switchboard it goes down from  I don't know  f um   I don't know  f fourteen percent of the words to maybe  uh I don't know , eleven percent or something  it 's  it 's not a dramatic change ,


you still have significant overlap. You know , it goes down from maybe  For Switchboard it goes down from  I don't know  f um   I don't know  f fourteen percent of the words to maybe  uh I don't know , eleven percent or something  it 's  it 's not a dramatic change ,


you still have significant overlap. You know , it goes down from maybe  For Switchboard it goes down from  I don't know  f um   I don't know  f fourteen percent of the words to maybe  uh I don't know , eleven percent or something  it 's  it 's not a dramatic change ,

so it 's  Anyway , so it 's uh  That was  that was one set of  results , and then the second one was just basically the   the stuff we had in the  in the HLT paper on how overlaps effect the  recognition performance.


so it 's  Anyway , so it 's uh  That was  that was one set of  results , and then the second one was just basically the   the stuff we had in the  in the HLT paper on how overlaps effect the  recognition performance.


And we rescored things um , a little bit more carefully. We also fixed the transcripts in  in numerous ways. Uh , but mostly we added one  one number , which was what if you  uh , basically score ignoring all  So  so the  the conjecture from the HLT results was that  most of the added recognition error is from insertions  due to background speech. So , we scored  all the recognition results ,  uh , in such a way that the uh


And we rescored things um , a little bit more carefully. We also fixed the transcripts in  in numerous ways. Uh , but mostly we added one  one number , which was what if you  uh , basically score ignoring all  So  so the  the conjecture from the HLT results was that  most of the added recognition error is from insertions  due to background speech. So , we scored  all the recognition results ,  uh , in such a way that the uh

Oh by the way , who 's on channel four ? You 're getting a lot of breath.


Oh by the way , who 's on channel four ? You 're getting a lot of breath.


OK , so   so if you have the foreground speaker speaking here , and then there 's some background speech , may be overlapping it somehow , um , and this is the time bin that we used , then of course you 're gonna get insertion errors here and here.


OK , so   so if you have the foreground speaker speaking here , and then there 's some background speech , may be overlapping it somehow , um , and this is the time bin that we used , then of course you 're gonna get insertion errors here and here.

Right ? So we scored everything , and I must say the NIST scoring tools are pretty nice for this , where you just basically ignore everything outside of the ,  uh , region that was deemed to be foreground speech. And where that was we had to use the t forced alignment , uh , results from s for  so  That 's somewhat  that 's somewhat subject to error , but still we  we   Uh , Don did some ha hand - checking and  and we think that  based on that , we think that the results are you know , valid , although of course , some error is gonna be in there. But basically what we found is after we take out these regions  so we only score the regions that were certified as foreground speech ,   the recognition error went down to almost  uh , the  level of the non - overlapped  speech. So that means that  even if you do have background speech , if you can somehow separate out or find where it is ,  uh , the recognizer does a good job ,


Right ? So we scored everything , and I must say the NIST scoring tools are pretty nice for this , where you just basically ignore everything outside of the ,  uh , region that was deemed to be foreground speech. And where that was we had to use the t forced alignment , uh , results from s for  so  That 's somewhat  that 's somewhat subject to error , but still we  we   Uh , Don did some ha hand - checking and  and we think that  based on that , we think that the results are you know , valid , although of course , some error is gonna be in there. But basically what we found is after we take out these regions  so we only score the regions that were certified as foreground speech ,   the recognition error went down to almost  uh , the  level of the non - overlapped  speech. So that means that  even if you do have background speech , if you can somehow separate out or find where it is ,  uh , the recognizer does a good job ,


Yeah , I guess that doesn't surprise me , because , with the close - talking mikes , the  the signal will be so much stronger.


What  what sort of normalization do you do ?


What  what sort of normalization do you do ?

so  Uh , well , we just  @ @  we do  u you know , vit


What  what sort of normalization do you do ?

so  Uh , well , we just  @ @  we do  u you know , vit

I mean in you recognizer , in the SRI recognizer.


What  what sort of normalization do you do ?

so  Uh , well , we just  @ @  we do  u you know , vit

I mean in you recognizer , in the SRI recognizer.

Well , we do uh , VTL   vocal tract length normalization , w and we uh  you know , we  we uh ,  make all the features have zero mean and unit variance.


so  Uh , well , we just  @ @  we do  u you know , vit

I mean in you recognizer , in the SRI recognizer.

Well , we do uh , VTL   vocal tract length normalization , w and we uh  you know , we  we uh ,  make all the features have zero mean and unit variance.


I mean in you recognizer , in the SRI recognizer.

Well , we do uh , VTL   vocal tract length normalization , w and we uh  you know , we  we uh ,  make all the features have zero mean and unit variance.


Well , we do uh , VTL   vocal tract length normalization , w and we uh  you know , we  we uh ,  make all the features have zero mean and unit variance.


Over  over the entire c over the entire channel.


but you know. Um , now we didn't re - align the recognizer for this. We just took the old  So this is actually a sub - optimal way of doing it ,


but you know. Um , now we didn't re - align the recognizer for this. We just took the old  So this is actually a sub - optimal way of doing it ,

right ? So we took the old recognition output and we just scored it differently. So the recognizer didn't have the benefit of knowing where the foreground speech  a start


right ? So we took the old recognition output and we just scored it differently. So the recognizer didn't have the benefit of knowing where the foreground speech  a start

Were you including the  the lapel  in this ?


right ? So we took the old recognition output and we just scored it differently. So the recognizer didn't have the benefit of knowing where the foreground speech  a start

Were you including the  the lapel  in this ?

And did the  did  did the la did the  the problems with the lapel go away also ? Or


Were you including the  the lapel  in this ?

And did the  did  did the la did the  the problems with the lapel go away also ? Or


And did the  did  did the la did the  the problems with the lapel go away also ? Or


And did the  did  did the la did the  the problems with the lapel go away also ? Or

It u not per  I mean , not completely , but yes ,


It u not per  I mean , not completely , but yes ,


Well I should bring the  should bring the table with results. Maybe we can look at it  Monday.


Well I should bring the  should bring the table with results. Maybe we can look at it  Monday.

I would presume that you still would have somewhat higher error with the lapel for insertions than


I would presume that you still would have somewhat higher error with the lapel for insertions than


Cuz again , looking forward to the non - close miked case , I think that we s still


Cuz again , looking forward to the non - close miked case , I think that we s still

i it 's the high signal - to - noise ratio


i it 's the high signal - to - noise ratio


i it 's the high signal - to - noise ratio

u s Right. So  so that was number  that was the second set of  uh , the second section. And then ,  the third thing was , we looked at ,   uh , what we call " interrupts " , although that 's  that may be  a misnomer , but basically  we looked at cases where  Uh , so we  we used the punctuation from the original transcripts and we inferred the beginnings and ends of sentences. So , you know


u s Right. So  so that was number  that was the second set of  uh , the second section. And then ,  the third thing was , we looked at ,   uh , what we call " interrupts " , although that 's  that may be  a misnomer , but basically  we looked at cases where  Uh , so we  we used the punctuation from the original transcripts and we inferred the beginnings and ends of sentences. So , you know

Di - did you use upper - lower case also , or not ?


Di - did you use upper - lower case also , or not ?


No , we only used , you know , uh periods , uh , question marks and  exclamation. And we know that there 's th that 's not a very g I mean , we miss a lot of them ,


No commas. No. And then  we looked at locations where , uh , if you have overlapping speech and someone else starts a sentence , you know , where do these  where do other people start their  turns  not turns really , but you know , sentences ,


No commas. No. And then  we looked at locations where , uh , if you have overlapping speech and someone else starts a sentence , you know , where do these  where do other people start their  turns  not turns really , but you know , sentences ,

um  So we only looked at cases where there was a foreground speaker and then at the to at the  so the  the foreground speaker started into their sentence and then someone else started later.


No commas. No. And then  we looked at locations where , uh , if you have overlapping speech and someone else starts a sentence , you know , where do these  where do other people start their  turns  not turns really , but you know , sentences ,

um  So we only looked at cases where there was a foreground speaker and then at the to at the  so the  the foreground speaker started into their sentence and then someone else started later.

Somewhere in between the start and the end ?


um  So we only looked at cases where there was a foreground speaker and then at the to at the  so the  the foreground speaker started into their sentence and then someone else started later.

Somewhere in between the start and the end ?


Somewhere in between the start and the end ?


Somewhere in between the start and the end of the foreground ?


Somewhere in between the start and the end of the foreground ?

Yes. Uh , so that such that there was overlap between the two sentences.


Somewhere in between the start and the end of the foreground ?

Yes. Uh , so that such that there was overlap between the two sentences.

So , the  the question was how can we  what can we say about the places where the second or  or actually , several second speakers ,  um  start their  " interrupts " , as we call them.


Yes. Uh , so that such that there was overlap between the two sentences.

So , the  the question was how can we  what can we say about the places where the second or  or actually , several second speakers ,  um  start their  " interrupts " , as we call them.


So , the  the question was how can we  what can we say about the places where the second or  or actually , several second speakers ,  um  start their  " interrupts " , as we call them.


So  so we had   we had um u to  for  for the purposes of this analysis , we tagged the word sequences , and  and we time - aligned them. Um , and we considered it interrupt  if it occurred in the middle of a word , we basically  you know , considered that to be a interrupt as if it were at  at the beginning of the word. So that ,  if any part of the word was overlapped , it was considered an interrupted  word.


So  so we had   we had um u to  for  for the purposes of this analysis , we tagged the word sequences , and  and we time - aligned them. Um , and we considered it interrupt  if it occurred in the middle of a word , we basically  you know , considered that to be a interrupt as if it were at  at the beginning of the word. So that ,  if any part of the word was overlapped , it was considered an interrupted  word.

And then we looked at the  the locatio the ,  um , you know , the features that  the tags because we had tagged these word strings ,   um , that  that occurred right before these  these uh , interrupt locations.


And then we looked at the  the locatio the ,  um , you know , the features that  the tags because we had tagged these word strings ,   um , that  that occurred right before these  these uh , interrupt locations.

And the tags we looked at are  the spurt tag , which basically says  or actually  Sorry. End of spurt. So   whether there was a pause essentially here , because spurts are a  defined as being you know , five hundred milliseconds or longer pauses , and then we had things like discourse markers , uh , backchannels , uh , disfluencies. um , uh , filled pauses  So disfluen the D 's are for ,  um ,  the interruption points of a disfluency , so , where you hesitate , or where you start the repair there. Uh , what else do we had. Uh , repeated  you know , repeated words is another of that kind of disfluencies and so forth. So we had both the beginnings and ends of these  uh so , the end of a filled pause and the end of a discourse marker. And we just eyeballed  I mean  we didn't really hand - tag all of these things. We just  looked at the distribution of words , and so every  " so yeah " , and " OK " , uh , and " uh - huh " were  were the  were deemed to be backchannels and  " wow " and " so " and  uh " right " , uh were um   Not " right ". " Right " is a backchannel. But so , we sort of  just based on the lexical   um , identity of the words , we  we tagged them as one of these things. And of course the d the interruption points we got from the original transcripts. So , and then we looked at the disti so we looked at the  distribution of these different kinds of tags , overall uh , and  and  and particularly at the interruption points. And uh , we found that there is a marked difference so that for instance after  so at the end after a discourse marker or after backchannel or after filled pause , you 're much more likely to be interrupted  than before. OK ? And also of course after spurt ends , which means basically in p inside pauses. So pauses are always an opportunity for  So we have this little histogram which shows these distributions and ,  um ,


And the tags we looked at are  the spurt tag , which basically says  or actually  Sorry. End of spurt. So   whether there was a pause essentially here , because spurts are a  defined as being you know , five hundred milliseconds or longer pauses , and then we had things like discourse markers , uh , backchannels , uh , disfluencies. um , uh , filled pauses  So disfluen the D 's are for ,  um ,  the interruption points of a disfluency , so , where you hesitate , or where you start the repair there. Uh , what else do we had. Uh , repeated  you know , repeated words is another of that kind of disfluencies and so forth. So we had both the beginnings and ends of these  uh so , the end of a filled pause and the end of a discourse marker. And we just eyeballed  I mean  we didn't really hand - tag all of these things. We just  looked at the distribution of words , and so every  " so yeah " , and " OK " , uh , and " uh - huh " were  were the  were deemed to be backchannels and  " wow " and " so " and  uh " right " , uh were um   Not " right ". " Right " is a backchannel. But so , we sort of  just based on the lexical   um , identity of the words , we  we tagged them as one of these things. And of course the d the interruption points we got from the original transcripts. So , and then we looked at the disti so we looked at the  distribution of these different kinds of tags , overall uh , and  and  and particularly at the interruption points. And uh , we found that there is a marked difference so that for instance after  so at the end after a discourse marker or after backchannel or after filled pause , you 're much more likely to be interrupted  than before. OK ? And also of course after spurt ends , which means basically in p inside pauses. So pauses are always an opportunity for  So we have this little histogram which shows these distributions and ,  um ,

you know , it 's  it 's  it 's not  No big surprises , but it is  sort of interesting from


And the tags we looked at are  the spurt tag , which basically says  or actually  Sorry. End of spurt. So   whether there was a pause essentially here , because spurts are a  defined as being you know , five hundred milliseconds or longer pauses , and then we had things like discourse markers , uh , backchannels , uh , disfluencies. um , uh , filled pauses  So disfluen the D 's are for ,  um ,  the interruption points of a disfluency , so , where you hesitate , or where you start the repair there. Uh , what else do we had. Uh , repeated  you know , repeated words is another of that kind of disfluencies and so forth. So we had both the beginnings and ends of these  uh so , the end of a filled pause and the end of a discourse marker. And we just eyeballed  I mean  we didn't really hand - tag all of these things. We just  looked at the distribution of words , and so every  " so yeah " , and " OK " , uh , and " uh - huh " were  were the  were deemed to be backchannels and  " wow " and " so " and  uh " right " , uh were um   Not " right ". " Right " is a backchannel. But so , we sort of  just based on the lexical   um , identity of the words , we  we tagged them as one of these things. And of course the d the interruption points we got from the original transcripts. So , and then we looked at the disti so we looked at the  distribution of these different kinds of tags , overall uh , and  and  and particularly at the interruption points. And uh , we found that there is a marked difference so that for instance after  so at the end after a discourse marker or after backchannel or after filled pause , you 're much more likely to be interrupted  than before. OK ? And also of course after spurt ends , which means basically in p inside pauses. So pauses are always an opportunity for  So we have this little histogram which shows these distributions and ,  um ,

you know , it 's  it 's  it 's not  No big surprises , but it is  sort of interesting from

It 's nice to actually measure it though.


you know , it 's  it 's  it 's not  No big surprises , but it is  sort of interesting from

It 's nice to actually measure it though.


you know , it 's  it 's  it 's not  No big surprises , but it is  sort of interesting from

It 's nice to actually measure it though.

I wonder about the cause and effect there. In other words uh  if you weren't going to pause you  you will because you 're g being interrupted.


It 's nice to actually measure it though.

I wonder about the cause and effect there. In other words uh  if you weren't going to pause you  you will because you 're g being interrupted.


I wonder about the cause and effect there. In other words uh  if you weren't going to pause you  you will because you 're g being interrupted.


I wonder about the cause and effect there. In other words uh  if you weren't going to pause you  you will because you 're g being interrupted.

Right. There 's no statement about cause and effect.


Right. There 's no statement about cause and effect.


Right. There 's no statement about cause and effect.

This is just a statistical correlation ,


This is just a statistical correlation ,


This is just a statistical correlation ,

But he  yeah , he 's  he 's right , y I mean maybe you weren't intending to pause at all , but   You were intending to stop for fifty - seven milliseconds ,


But he  yeah , he 's  he 's right , y I mean maybe you weren't intending to pause at all , but   You were intending to stop for fifty - seven milliseconds ,


uh , and that was basically it. And  and we  so we wrote this and then ,  we found we were at six pages , and then we started  cutting furiously


uh , and that was basically it. And  and we  so we wrote this and then ,  we found we were at six pages , and then we started  cutting furiously

and  threw out half of the  material again , and uh played with the LaTeX stuff and


uh , and that was basically it. And  and we  so we wrote this and then ,  we found we were at six pages , and then we started  cutting furiously

and  threw out half of the  material again , and uh played with the LaTeX stuff and

Made the font smaller and the narrows longer.


and  threw out half of the  material again , and uh played with the LaTeX stuff and

Made the font smaller and the narrows longer.


Made the font smaller and the narrows longer.

No , no. W well , d you couldn't really make everything smaller


No , no. W well , d you couldn't really make everything smaller


you know the  the gap between the two columns is like ten millimeters ,


you know the  the gap between the two columns is like ten millimeters ,

so I d shrunk it to eight millimeters and that helped some. And stuff like that.


you know the  the gap between the two columns is like ten millimeters ,

so I d shrunk it to eight millimeters and that helped some. And stuff like that.

Wasn't there  wasn't there some result , Andreas


so I d shrunk it to eight millimeters and that helped some. And stuff like that.

Wasn't there  wasn't there some result , Andreas


so I d shrunk it to eight millimeters and that helped some. And stuff like that.

Wasn't there  wasn't there some result , Andreas

I  I thought maybe Liz presented this at some conference a while ago about  uh , backchannels


Wasn't there  wasn't there some result , Andreas

I  I thought maybe Liz presented this at some conference a while ago about  uh , backchannels


I  I thought maybe Liz presented this at some conference a while ago about  uh , backchannels

uh , and that they tend to happen when uh  the pitch drops. You know you get a falling pitch. And so that 's when people tend to backchannel.


uh , and that they tend to happen when uh  the pitch drops. You know you get a falling pitch. And so that 's when people tend to backchannel.


uh , and that they tend to happen when uh  the pitch drops. You know you get a falling pitch. And so that 's when people tend to backchannel.

y We didn't talk about , uh , prosodic , uh , properties at all ,


y We didn't talk about , uh , prosodic , uh , properties at all ,


y We didn't talk about , uh , prosodic , uh , properties at all ,

although that 's  I  I take it that 's something that uh Don will  will look at


although that 's  I  I take it that 's something that uh Don will  will look at

now that we have the data and we have the alignment , so. This is purely based on you know the words


now that we have the data and we have the alignment , so. This is purely based on you know the words


now that we have the data and we have the alignment , so. This is purely based on you know the words

I have a reference for that though. Uh - huh.


I have a reference for that though. Uh - huh.


Well , I didn't know about Liz 's finding on that ,


Well , I didn't know about Liz 's finding on that ,

but I know of another paper that talks about something


but I know of another paper that talks about something


It made me think about a cool little device that could be built to uh  to handle those people that call you on the phone and just like to talk and talk and talk. And you just have this little detector that listens for these  drops in pitch and gives them the backchannel. And so then you  hook that to the phone and go off


It made me think about a cool little device that could be built to uh  to handle those people that call you on the phone and just like to talk and talk and talk. And you just have this little detector that listens for these  drops in pitch and gives them the backchannel. And so then you  hook that to the phone and go off

and do the   do whatever you r wanna do ,


and do the   do whatever you r wanna do ,


and do the   do whatever you r wanna do ,

There 's actually  uh there 's this a former student of here from Berkeley , Nigel  Nigel Ward.


There 's actually  uh there 's this a former student of here from Berkeley , Nigel  Nigel Ward.


He did a system uh , in  he  he lives in Japan now , and he did this backchanneling , automatic backchanneling system.


but for Japanese. And it 's apparently  for Japa - in Japanese it 's really important that you backchannel. It 's really impolite if you don't , and  So.


but for Japanese. And it 's apparently  for Japa - in Japanese it 's really important that you backchannel. It 's really impolite if you don't , and  So.

Huh. Actually for a lot of these people I think you could just sort of backchannel continuously and it would  pretty much be fine.


Huh. Actually for a lot of these people I think you could just sort of backchannel continuously and it would  pretty much be fine.


There was  there was of course a Monty Python sketch with that. Where the barber who was afraid of scissors was playing a  a tape of clipping sounds , and saying " uh - huh " , " yeah " , " how about them sports teams ? "


There was  there was of course a Monty Python sketch with that. Where the barber who was afraid of scissors was playing a  a tape of clipping sounds , and saying " uh - huh " , " yeah " , " how about them sports teams ? "

Anyway. So the paper 's on - line and y I  I think I uh  I CC ' ed a message to Meeting Recorder with the URL so you can get it.


Anyway. So the paper 's on - line and y I  I think I uh  I CC ' ed a message to Meeting Recorder with the URL so you can get it.


Um , uh one more thing. So I  I 'm actually   about to send Brian Kingbury an email saying where he can find the  the s the m the material he wanted for the s for the speech recognition experiment , so  but I haven't sent it out yet because actually my desktop locked up , like I can't type anything. Uh b so if there 's any suggestions you have for that I was just gonna send him the


Um , uh one more thing. So I  I 'm actually   about to send Brian Kingbury an email saying where he can find the  the s the m the material he wanted for the s for the speech recognition experiment , so  but I haven't sent it out yet because actually my desktop locked up , like I can't type anything. Uh b so if there 's any suggestions you have for that I was just gonna send him the

Is it the same directory that you had suggested ?


Um , uh one more thing. So I  I 'm actually   about to send Brian Kingbury an email saying where he can find the  the s the m the material he wanted for the s for the speech recognition experiment , so  but I haven't sent it out yet because actually my desktop locked up , like I can't type anything. Uh b so if there 's any suggestions you have for that I was just gonna send him the

Is it the same directory that you had suggested ?

He still has his Unix account here , you know.


Is it the same directory that you had suggested ?

He still has his Unix account here , you know.


He still has his Unix account here , you know.


I 'd hafta add him to Meeting Recorder , I guess ,


I 'd hafta add him to Meeting Recorder , I guess ,

and also , um , the other person that wants it  There is one person at SRI who wants to look at the  um , you know , the uh  the data we have so far ,


and also , um , the other person that wants it  There is one person at SRI who wants to look at the  um , you know , the uh  the data we have so far ,


and also , um , the other person that wants it  There is one person at SRI who wants to look at the  um , you know , the uh  the data we have so far ,

and so I figured that FTP is the best  approach. So what I did is I um    @ @  I made a n new directory after Chuck said that would c that was gonna be a good thing. Uh , so it 's " FTP   pub


and so I figured that FTP is the best  approach. So what I did is I um    @ @  I made a n new directory after Chuck said that would c that was gonna be a good thing. Uh , so it 's " FTP   pub

real "  Exactly. MTGC  What is it again ? CR


real "  Exactly. MTGC  What is it again ? CR


real "  Exactly. MTGC  What is it again ? CR

Or  Yeah. Right ? The same  the same as the mailing list ,


Or  Yeah. Right ? The same  the same as the mailing list ,


and then under there  Um actually  Oh and this directory ,  is not readable. It 's only uh , accessible. So ,  in other words , to access anything under there , you have to  be told what the name is.


and then under there  Um actually  Oh and this directory ,  is not readable. It 's only uh , accessible. So ,  in other words , to access anything under there , you have to  be told what the name is.

So that 's sort of a g  quick and dirty way of doing access control.


So that 's sort of a g  quick and dirty way of doing access control.

So  uh , and the directory for this I call it I " ASR zero point one " because it 's sort of meant for recognition.


So that 's sort of a g  quick and dirty way of doing access control.

So  uh , and the directory for this I call it I " ASR zero point one " because it 's sort of meant for recognition.

So anyone who hears this meeting now knows the


So  uh , and the directory for this I call it I " ASR zero point one " because it 's sort of meant for recognition.

So anyone who hears this meeting now knows the


So  uh , and the directory for this I call it I " ASR zero point one " because it 's sort of meant for recognition.

So anyone who hears this meeting now knows the

And then  then in there I have a file that lists all the other  files , so that someone can get that file and then know the file names and therefore download them. If you don't know the file names you can't


So anyone who hears this meeting now knows the

And then  then in there I have a file that lists all the other  files , so that someone can get that file and then know the file names and therefore download them. If you don't know the file names you can't


And then  then in there I have a file that lists all the other  files , so that someone can get that file and then know the file names and therefore download them. If you don't know the file names you can't


Dash. Anyway. So all I  all I was gonna do there was stick the  the transcripts after we  the way that we munged them for scoring , because that 's what he cares about , and  um , and also  and then the  the  waveforms that Don segmented. I mean , just basically tar them all up f I mean  w for each meeting I tar them all into one tar file and G - zip them and stick them there.


Dash. Anyway. So all I  all I was gonna do there was stick the  the transcripts after we  the way that we munged them for scoring , because that 's what he cares about , and  um , and also  and then the  the  waveforms that Don segmented. I mean , just basically tar them all up f I mean  w for each meeting I tar them all into one tar file and G - zip them and stick them there.

I uh , put digits in my own home directory  home FTP directory ,


Dash. Anyway. So all I  all I was gonna do there was stick the  the transcripts after we  the way that we munged them for scoring , because that 's what he cares about , and  um , and also  and then the  the  waveforms that Don segmented. I mean , just basically tar them all up f I mean  w for each meeting I tar them all into one tar file and G - zip them and stick them there.

I uh , put digits in my own home directory  home FTP directory ,

but I 'll probably move them there as well.


I uh , put digits in my own home directory  home FTP directory ,

but I 'll probably move them there as well.


but I 'll probably move them there as well.

So we could point Mari to this also for her  March O - one request ?


So we could point Mari to this also for her  March O - one request ?


Well she was saying that it would be nice if we had  they had a  Or was she talking  Yeah. She was saying it would be nice if they had eh  the same set , so that when they did experiments they could compare.


Well she was saying that it would be nice if we had  they had a  Or was she talking  Yeah. She was saying it would be nice if they had eh  the same set , so that when they did experiments they could compare.

Right , but they don't have a recognizer even.


Right , but they don't have a recognizer even.

But yeah , we can send  I can CC Mari on this so that she knows


But yeah , we can send  I can CC Mari on this so that she knows


We can put it in the same place. Just put in another directory.


I think so. Yeah. Um , so either we should regenerate the original  versions ,   or um , we should just make a note of it.


I think so. Yeah. Um , so either we should regenerate the original  versions ,   or um , we should just make a note of it.

OK. Oh. Beca - Well  OK , because in one directory there 's two versions.


I think so. Yeah. Um , so either we should regenerate the original  versions ,   or um , we should just make a note of it.

OK. Oh. Beca - Well  OK , because in one directory there 's two versions.

Yeah , that 's the first meeting I cut both versions. Just to check which w if there is a significant difference.


I think so. Yeah. Um , so either we should regenerate the original  versions ,   or um , we should just make a note of it.

OK. Oh. Beca - Well  OK , because in one directory there 's two versions.

Yeah , that 's the first meeting I cut both versions. Just to check which w if there is a significant difference.

OK. And so I  but  OK so  but for the other meetings it 's the downsampled version that you have.


OK. Oh. Beca - Well  OK , because in one directory there 's two versions.

Yeah , that 's the first meeting I cut both versions. Just to check which w if there is a significant difference.

OK. And so I  but  OK so  but for the other meetings it 's the downsampled version that you have.


Yeah , that 's the first meeting I cut both versions. Just to check which w if there is a significant difference.

OK. And so I  but  OK so  but for the other meetings it 's the downsampled version that you have.

Oh , OK. Oh that 's th important to know , OK so we should probably  uh  give them the non - downsampled versions.


OK. And so I  but  OK so  but for the other meetings it 's the downsampled version that you have.

Oh , OK. Oh that 's th important to know , OK so we should probably  uh  give them the non - downsampled versions.


Oh , OK. Oh that 's th important to know , OK so we should probably  uh  give them the non - downsampled versions.

OK. Alright , then I 'll hold off on that and I 'll wait for you um


OK. Alright , then I 'll hold off on that and I 'll wait for you um


OK. Alright. OK. Yeah , definitely they should have the full bandwidth version ,


OK. Alright. OK. Yeah , definitely they should have the full bandwidth version ,

Yeah , because I mean  I I think Liz decided to go ahead with the  downsampled versions cuz we can  There was no s like , r significant difference.


OK. Alright. OK. Yeah , definitely they should have the full bandwidth version ,

Yeah , because I mean  I I think Liz decided to go ahead with the  downsampled versions cuz we can  There was no s like , r significant difference.

yeah. OK. Well , it takes  it takes up less disk space , for one thing.


OK. Alright. OK. Yeah , definitely they should have the full bandwidth version ,

Yeah , because I mean  I I think Liz decided to go ahead with the  downsampled versions cuz we can  There was no s like , r significant difference.

yeah. OK. Well , it takes  it takes up less disk space , for one thing.

It does take up less disk space , and apparently it did even better  than the original  than the original versions ,


Yeah , because I mean  I I think Liz decided to go ahead with the  downsampled versions cuz we can  There was no s like , r significant difference.

yeah. OK. Well , it takes  it takes up less disk space , for one thing.

It does take up less disk space , and apparently it did even better  than the original  than the original versions ,


yeah. OK. Well , it takes  it takes up less disk space , for one thing.

It does take up less disk space , and apparently it did even better  than the original  than the original versions ,

which you know , is just , probably random.


It does take up less disk space , and apparently it did even better  than the original  than the original versions ,

which you know , is just , probably random.


which you know , is just , probably random.

But , um  they probably w want the originals.


which you know , is just , probably random.

But , um  they probably w want the originals.

but yeah. Yeah. OK. OK , good. Good that  Well , it 's a good thing that


But , um  they probably w want the originals.

but yeah. Yeah. OK. OK , good. Good that  Well , it 's a good thing that

OK , I think we 're losing , Don and Andreas at three - thirty , right ? OK.


but yeah. Yeah. OK. OK , good. Good that  Well , it 's a good thing that

OK , I think we 're losing , Don and Andreas at three - thirty , right ? OK.


OK , I think we 're losing , Don and Andreas at three - thirty , right ? OK.

So , that 's why it was good to have Andreas , say these things but  So , we should probably talk about the IBM transcription process stuff that


So , that 's why it was good to have Andreas , say these things but  So , we should probably talk about the IBM transcription process stuff that

OK. So , um you know that Adam created um , a b a script to generate the beep file ?


So , that 's why it was good to have Andreas , say these things but  So , we should probably talk about the IBM transcription process stuff that

OK. So , um you know that Adam created um , a b a script to generate the beep file ?

To then create something to send to IBM. And , um , you  you should probably talk about that. But  but you were gonna to use the  originally transcribed file because I tightened the time bins and that 's also the one that they had already  in trying to debug the first stage of this. And uh , my understanding was that , um  I haven't   I haven't listened to it yet ,


OK. So , um you know that Adam created um , a b a script to generate the beep file ?

To then create something to send to IBM. And , um , you  you should probably talk about that. But  but you were gonna to use the  originally transcribed file because I tightened the time bins and that 's also the one that they had already  in trying to debug the first stage of this. And uh , my understanding was that , um  I haven't   I haven't listened to it yet ,


To then create something to send to IBM. And , um , you  you should probably talk about that. But  but you were gonna to use the  originally transcribed file because I tightened the time bins and that 's also the one that they had already  in trying to debug the first stage of this. And uh , my understanding was that , um  I haven't   I haven't listened to it yet ,

but it sounded very good and  and I understand that you guys  were going to have a meeting today , before this meeting.


To then create something to send to IBM. And , um , you  you should probably talk about that. But  but you were gonna to use the  originally transcribed file because I tightened the time bins and that 's also the one that they had already  in trying to debug the first stage of this. And uh , my understanding was that , um  I haven't   I haven't listened to it yet ,

but it sounded very good and  and I understand that you guys  were going to have a meeting today , before this meeting.

It was just to talk about how to generate it. Um , just so that while I 'm gone , you can regenerate it if you decide to do it a different way. So uh , Chuck and Thilo should , now more or less know how to generate the file


but it sounded very good and  and I understand that you guys  were going to have a meeting today , before this meeting.

It was just to talk about how to generate it. Um , just so that while I 'm gone , you can regenerate it if you decide to do it a different way. So uh , Chuck and Thilo should , now more or less know how to generate the file


but it sounded very good and  and I understand that you guys  were going to have a meeting today , before this meeting.

It was just to talk about how to generate it. Um , just so that while I 'm gone , you can regenerate it if you decide to do it a different way. So uh , Chuck and Thilo should , now more or less know how to generate the file

and ,  the other thing Chuck pointed out is that , um ,  since this one is hand - marked ,  there are discourse boundaries. Right ? So  so when one person is speaking , there 's breaks.


It was just to talk about how to generate it. Um , just so that while I 'm gone , you can regenerate it if you decide to do it a different way. So uh , Chuck and Thilo should , now more or less know how to generate the file

and ,  the other thing Chuck pointed out is that , um ,  since this one is hand - marked ,  there are discourse boundaries. Right ? So  so when one person is speaking , there 's breaks.


and ,  the other thing Chuck pointed out is that , um ,  since this one is hand - marked ,  there are discourse boundaries. Right ? So  so when one person is speaking , there 's breaks.

Whereas Thilo 's won't have that. So what  what we 're probably gonna do is just write a script , that if two , chunks are very close to each other on the same channel we 'll just merge them.


and ,  the other thing Chuck pointed out is that , um ,  since this one is hand - marked ,  there are discourse boundaries. Right ? So  so when one person is speaking , there 's breaks.

Whereas Thilo 's won't have that. So what  what we 're probably gonna do is just write a script , that if two , chunks are very close to each other on the same channel we 'll just merge them.

Oh ! OK. Ah , interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Oh , sure. Yeah , sure. Makes sense.


Whereas Thilo 's won't have that. So what  what we 're probably gonna do is just write a script , that if two , chunks are very close to each other on the same channel we 'll just merge them.

Oh ! OK. Ah , interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Oh , sure. Yeah , sure. Makes sense.

So , uh , and that will get around the problem of , the ,  you know " one word beep , one word beep , one word beep , one word beep ".


Whereas Thilo 's won't have that. So what  what we 're probably gonna do is just write a script , that if two , chunks are very close to each other on the same channel we 'll just merge them.

Oh ! OK. Ah , interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Oh , sure. Yeah , sure. Makes sense.

So , uh , and that will get around the problem of , the ,  you know " one word beep , one word beep , one word beep , one word beep ".

Yeah. Ah ! Clever. Yes. Clever. Yeah. Excellent.


Oh ! OK. Ah , interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Oh , sure. Yeah , sure. Makes sense.

So , uh , and that will get around the problem of , the ,  you know " one word beep , one word beep , one word beep , one word beep ".

Yeah. Ah ! Clever. Yes. Clever. Yeah. Excellent.

Yeah , in fact after our meeting uh , this morning Thilo came in and said that  um , there could be  other differences between  the uh  already transcribed meeting with the beeps in it and one that has  just r been run through his process.


So , uh , and that will get around the problem of , the ,  you know " one word beep , one word beep , one word beep , one word beep ".

Yeah. Ah ! Clever. Yes. Clever. Yeah. Excellent.

Yeah , in fact after our meeting uh , this morning Thilo came in and said that  um , there could be  other differences between  the uh  already transcribed meeting with the beeps in it and one that has  just r been run through his process.


Yeah. Ah ! Clever. Yes. Clever. Yeah. Excellent.

Yeah , in fact after our meeting uh , this morning Thilo came in and said that  um , there could be  other differences between  the uh  already transcribed meeting with the beeps in it and one that has  just r been run through his process.

So tomorrow ,  when we go to make the um  uh , chunked file  for IBM , we 're going to actually compare the two. So he 's gonna run his process on that same meeting ,


Yeah , in fact after our meeting uh , this morning Thilo came in and said that  um , there could be  other differences between  the uh  already transcribed meeting with the beeps in it and one that has  just r been run through his process.

So tomorrow ,  when we go to make the um  uh , chunked file  for IBM , we 're going to actually compare the two. So he 's gonna run his process on that same meeting ,


So tomorrow ,  when we go to make the um  uh , chunked file  for IBM , we 're going to actually compare the two. So he 's gonna run his process on that same meeting ,

and then we 're gonna do the beep - ify on both , and listen to them and see if we notice any real differences.


and then we 're gonna do the beep - ify on both , and listen to them and see if we notice any real differences.

OK , now one thing that prevented us from apply you  you from applying  Exactly. The training  So that is the training meeting. OK.


and then we 're gonna do the beep - ify on both , and listen to them and see if we notice any real differences.

OK , now one thing that prevented us from apply you  you from applying  Exactly. The training  So that is the training meeting. OK.

Yeah , w and we know that. Wel - uh we just wanna if  if there 're any major differences between  doing it on the hand


OK , now one thing that prevented us from apply you  you from applying  Exactly. The training  So that is the training meeting. OK.

Yeah , w and we know that. Wel - uh we just wanna if  if there 're any major differences between  doing it on the hand


Yeah , w and we know that. Wel - uh we just wanna if  if there 're any major differences between  doing it on the hand


So this training meeting , uh w un is that uh  some data where we have uh very um ,  you know , accurate  time marks ? for


So this training meeting , uh w un is that uh  some data where we have uh very um ,  you know , accurate  time marks ? for

I went back and hand - marked the  ba the bins , I ment I mentioned that last week.


So this training meeting , uh w un is that uh  some data where we have uh very um ,  you know , accurate  time marks ? for

I went back and hand - marked the  ba the bins , I ment I mentioned that last week.

But the  but there 's  yeah , but there is this one issue with them in that there 're   there are time boundaries in there that occur in the middle of speech.


I went back and hand - marked the  ba the bins , I ment I mentioned that last week.

But the  but there 's  yeah , but there is this one issue with them in that there 're   there are time boundaries in there that occur in the middle of speech.


But the  but there 's  yeah , but there is this one issue with them in that there 're   there are time boundaries in there that occur in the middle of speech.

So  Like when we went t to um  When I was listening to the original file that Adam had , it 's like you  you hear a word then you hear a beep  and then you hear the continuation of what is the same sentence.


But the  but there 's  yeah , but there is this one issue with them in that there 're   there are time boundaries in there that occur in the middle of speech.

So  Like when we went t to um  When I was listening to the original file that Adam had , it 's like you  you hear a word then you hear a beep  and then you hear the continuation of what is the same sentence.

That 's on the other channel. That 's because of channel overlap.


So  Like when we went t to um  When I was listening to the original file that Adam had , it 's like you  you hear a word then you hear a beep  and then you hear the continuation of what is the same sentence.

That 's on the other channel. That 's because of channel overlap.


That 's on the other channel. That 's because of channel overlap.


So there are these chunks that look like uh   that have uh


So there are these chunks that look like uh   that have uh

I mean that 's not gonna be true of the foreground speaker. That 'll only be if it 's the background speaker.


So there are these chunks that look like uh   that have uh

I mean that 's not gonna be true of the foreground speaker. That 'll only be if it 's the background speaker.

Right. So you 'll  you 'll have a chunk of , you know , channel  A which starts at zero and ends at ten , and then the same channel starting at eleven , ending at fifteen , and then again , starting at sixteen , ending at twenty. Right , so that 's three chunks where  actually we w can just make one chunk out of that which is A , zero , twenty.


I mean that 's not gonna be true of the foreground speaker. That 'll only be if it 's the background speaker.

Right. So you 'll  you 'll have a chunk of , you know , channel  A which starts at zero and ends at ten , and then the same channel starting at eleven , ending at fifteen , and then again , starting at sixteen , ending at twenty. Right , so that 's three chunks where  actually we w can just make one chunk out of that which is A , zero , twenty.


Right. So you 'll  you 'll have a chunk of , you know , channel  A which starts at zero and ends at ten , and then the same channel starting at eleven , ending at fifteen , and then again , starting at sixteen , ending at twenty. Right , so that 's three chunks where  actually we w can just make one chunk out of that which is A , zero , twenty.


Yeah. So I just wanted to make sure that it was clear.


Yeah. So I just wanted to make sure that it was clear.

So  if you were to use these , you have to be careful not to pull out these individual


So  if you were to use these , you have to be careful not to pull out these individual

Oh ! I mean it  Right , I mean w I mean what I would  I was interested in is having   a se having time marks for the beginnings and ends of speech by each speaker.


Oh ! I mean it  Right , I mean w I mean what I would  I was interested in is having   a se having time marks for the beginnings and ends of speech by each speaker.

Uh , because we could use that to fine tune our alignment process


Uh , because we could use that to fine tune our alignment process


So  uh , it  I don't care that you know , there 's actually abutting segments that we have to join together. That 's fine.