The digit form doesn't have a " for official use only " line. It just has a line ,  which is what you 're supposed to read.

So on the digits form , everything above the line is a fill - in form


So on the digits form , everything above the line is a fill - in form

and everything below the line is digits that the user reads.


So on the digits form , everything above the line is a fill - in form

and everything below the line is digits that the user reads.

Yeah. OK. Alright s but I didn't mean to derail our discussion here , so you really wanted to start with this other form.


and everything below the line is digits that the user reads.

Yeah. OK. Alright s but I didn't mean to derail our discussion here , so you really wanted to start with this other form.

No , either way is fine I just  You just started talking about something , and I didn't know which form you were referring to.


and everything below the line is digits that the user reads.

Yeah. OK. Alright s but I didn't mean to derail our discussion here , so you really wanted to start with this other form.

No , either way is fine I just  You just started talking about something , and I didn't know which form you were referring to.

Alright yeah , I was comparing  so th this is  So I was looking at the change first. So it 's like we started with this and now we 've got a new version of it wi  with reference to this. So the digit form , we had one already. Now the f the fields are slightly different.


Yeah. OK. Alright s but I didn't mean to derail our discussion here , so you really wanted to start with this other form.

No , either way is fine I just  You just started talking about something , and I didn't know which form you were referring to.

Alright yeah , I was comparing  so th this is  So I was looking at the change first. So it 's like we started with this and now we 've got a new version of it wi  with reference to this. So the digit form , we had one already. Now the f the fields are slightly different.

So the main thing that the person fills out um  is the name and email and time ?


No , either way is fine I just  You just started talking about something , and I didn't know which form you were referring to.

Alright yeah , I was comparing  so th this is  So I was looking at the change first. So it 's like we started with this and now we 've got a new version of it wi  with reference to this. So the digit form , we had one already. Now the f the fields are slightly different.

So the main thing that the person fills out um  is the name and email and time ?


Alright yeah , I was comparing  so th this is  So I was looking at the change first. So it 's like we started with this and now we 've got a new version of it wi  with reference to this. So the digit form , we had one already. Now the f the fields are slightly different.

So the main thing that the person fills out um  is the name and email and time ?


So the main thing that the person fills out um  is the name and email and time ?


Yep. Just as uh  as I have for all the others.


Yep. Just as uh  as I have for all the others.

What  And there 's an addition of the native language , which is a bit redundant.


Yep. Just as uh  as I have for all the others.

What  And there 's an addition of the native language , which is a bit redundant.

This one has Native Language and this one does too.


What  And there 's an addition of the native language , which is a bit redundant.

This one has Native Language and this one does too.

That 's because the one , the digit form that has native language is the old form not the new form.


This one has Native Language and this one does too.

That 's because the one , the digit form that has native language is the old form not the new form.

Oh ! Thank you.  Thank you , thank you. There we go.


That 's because the one , the digit form that has native language is the old form not the new form.

Oh ! Thank you.  Thank you , thank you. There we go.

Oh , yeah. I 'll catch up here. OK , I see.


Oh ! Thank you.  Thank you , thank you. There we go.

Oh , yeah. I 'll catch up here. OK , I see.


Oh , yeah. I 'll catch up here. OK , I see.


Oh , yeah. I 'll catch up here. OK , I see.

Yeah this was the problem with these categories , I  I picked those categories from TIMIT. I don't know what those are.


Yeah this was the problem with these categories , I  I picked those categories from TIMIT. I don't know what those are.

Actually , the only way I know is from working with the database and having to figure it out.


Actually , the only way I know is from working with the database and having to figure it out.


and North Midland like  like uh Illinois , or  ?


and North Midland like  like uh Illinois , or  ?

So  so what accent are we speaking ? Western ?


So  so what accent are we speaking ? Western ?


Is mean my native language Spanish  Spanish ? eh The original is the center of Spain and the  beca


Is mean my native language Spanish  Spanish ? eh The original is the center of Spain and the  beca

Yeah , I mean you could call it whatever you want. For the foreign language we couldn't classify every single one. So I just left it blank and you can put whatever you want.


Is mean my native language Spanish  Spanish ? eh The original is the center of Spain and the  beca

Yeah , I mean you could call it whatever you want. For the foreign language we couldn't classify every single one. So I just left it blank and you can put whatever you want.

Because is different , the Span - uh  the Spanish language from the  the north of Spain , of the south , of the west and the


Yeah , I mean you could call it whatever you want. For the foreign language we couldn't classify every single one. So I just left it blank and you can put whatever you want.

Because is different , the Span - uh  the Spanish language from the  the north of Spain , of the south , of the west and the


Because is different , the Span - uh  the Spanish language from the  the north of Spain , of the south , of the west and the

So I 'm not sure what to do about the Region field for English variety. You know , when I wrote  I was writing those down , I was thinking , " You know , these are great  if you 're a linguist ".


So I 'm not sure what to do about the Region field for English variety. You know , when I wrote  I was writing those down , I was thinking , " You know , these are great  if you 're a linguist ".


So I 'm not sure what to do about the Region field for English variety. You know , when I wrote  I was writing those down , I was thinking , " You know , these are great  if you 're a linguist ".

But I don't know how to  I don't know how to  I don't know how to categorize them.


But I don't know how to  I don't know how to  I don't know how to categorize them.


This wasn't developed by  th these regions weren't


This wasn't developed by  th these regions weren't

if you 're a TI or MIT  from  nineteen eighty - five.


This wasn't developed by  th these regions weren't

if you 're a TI or MIT  from  nineteen eighty - five.

Yeah So I guess my only question was if  if you were a South Midland speaking region , person ? Would you know it ?


if you 're a TI or MIT  from  nineteen eighty - five.

Yeah So I guess my only question was if  if you were a South Midland speaking region , person ? Would you know it ?


Yeah So I guess my only question was if  if you were a South Midland speaking region , person ? Would you know it ?


You know , I think if you 're talking  if you 're thinking in terms of places ,  as opposed to  names different peop names people have given to  different ways of talking ,  I would think North Midwest , and South Midwest would be more common than saying Midland , right , I mean , I  I went to s


You know , I think if you 're talking  if you 're thinking in terms of places ,  as opposed to  names different peop names people have given to  different ways of talking ,  I would think North Midwest , and South Midwest would be more common than saying Midland , right , I mean , I  I went to s

Yeah. Now  the usage  Maybe we can give them a li  like a little map ? with the regions and they just  No , I 'm serious.


You know , I think if you 're talking  if you 're thinking in terms of places ,  as opposed to  names different peop names people have given to  different ways of talking ,  I would think North Midwest , and South Midwest would be more common than saying Midland , right , I mean , I  I went to s

Yeah. Now  the usage  Maybe we can give them a li  like a little map ? with the regions and they just  No , I 'm serious.

Because it takes less time , and it 's sort of cute


Yeah. Now  the usage  Maybe we can give them a li  like a little map ? with the regions and they just  No , I 'm serious.

Because it takes less time , and it 's sort of cute

i at this   in that side  in that side of the  the paper.


Because it takes less time , and it 's sort of cute

i at this   in that side  in that side of the  the paper.


i at this   in that side  in that side of the  the paper.

Well just a little  You know , it doesn't have all the detail , but you sort of


Well just a little  You know , it doesn't have all the detail , but you sort of

But what if you moved five times and  and uh


Well just a little  You know , it doesn't have all the detail , but you sort of

But what if you moved five times and  and uh

Well , I was thinking you could have ma multiple ones and then the amount of time


Well just a little  You know , it doesn't have all the detail , but you sort of

But what if you moved five times and  and uh

Well , I was thinking you could have ma multiple ones and then the amount of time

No , but you 're categorized. That 's the same


But what if you moved five times and  and uh

Well , I was thinking you could have ma multiple ones and then the amount of time

No , but you 're categorized. That 's the same

so , roughly. So. You could say ,  you know " ten years  on the east coast , five years on the west coast " or something or other.


Well , I was thinking you could have ma multiple ones and then the amount of time

No , but you 're categorized. That 's the same

so , roughly. So. You could say ,  you know " ten years  on the east coast , five years on the west coast " or something or other.

Well , We  I think we don't want to get that level of detail at this form. I think that 's alright if we want to follow up. But.


No , but you 're categorized. That 's the same

so , roughly. So. You could say ,  you know " ten years  on the east coast , five years on the west coast " or something or other.

Well , We  I think we don't want to get that level of detail at this form. I think that 's alright if we want to follow up. But.


so , roughly. So. You could say ,  you know " ten years  on the east coast , five years on the west coast " or something or other.

Well , We  I think we don't want to get that level of detail at this form. I think that 's alright if we want to follow up. But.

I mean I  As I said , I don't think there 's a huge  benefit to this region thing. It  it gets  The problem is that for some things it 's really clear and usually listening to  it you can tell right away if it 's a New York or Boston accent , but New York and Boston are two  well , I guess they have the NYC , but New England has a bunch of very different dialects and


Well , We  I think we don't want to get that level of detail at this form. I think that 's alright if we want to follow up. But.

I mean I  As I said , I don't think there 's a huge  benefit to this region thing. It  it gets  The problem is that for some things it 's really clear and usually listening to  it you can tell right away if it 's a New York or Boston accent , but New York and Boston are two  well , I guess they have the NYC , but New England has a bunch of very different dialects and


I mean I  As I said , I don't think there 's a huge  benefit to this region thing. It  it gets  The problem is that for some things it 's really clear and usually listening to  it you can tell right away if it 's a New York or Boston accent , but New York and Boston are two  well , I guess they have the NYC , but New England has a bunch of very different dialects and


I mean I  As I said , I don't think there 's a huge  benefit to this region thing. It  it gets  The problem is that for some things it 's really clear and usually listening to  it you can tell right away if it 's a New York or Boston accent , but New York and Boston are two  well , I guess they have the NYC , but New England has a bunch of very different dialects and

Yeah , so I picked these regions cuz we had talked about TIMIT , and those are right from TIMIT.


Yeah , so I picked these regions cuz we had talked about TIMIT , and those are right from TIMIT.

Right. And so these would be  satisfying like a speech  research  community if we released the database ,


Yeah , so I picked these regions cuz we had talked about TIMIT , and those are right from TIMIT.

Right. And so these would be  satisfying like a speech  research  community if we released the database ,

but as to whether subjects know where they 're from , I 'm not sure because um I know that they had to fill this out for Switchboard. This is i almost exactly the same as Switchboard regions


Right. And so these would be  satisfying like a speech  research  community if we released the database ,

but as to whether subjects know where they 're from , I 'm not sure because um I know that they had to fill this out for Switchboard. This is i almost exactly the same as Switchboard regions


but as to whether subjects know where they 're from , I 'm not sure because um I know that they had to fill this out for Switchboard. This is i almost exactly the same as Switchboard regions

or very close. Yeah. Um And I don't know how they filled that out. But th if Midland  Yeah , Midland is the one that 's difficult I guess.


or very close. Yeah. Um And I don't know how they filled that out. But th if Midland  Yeah , Midland is the one that 's difficult I guess.

Also Northwest you 've got Oreg - Washington and Oregon now which uh y people don't know if it 's western or northern.


or very close. Yeah. Um And I don't know how they filled that out. But th if Midland  Yeah , Midland is the one that 's difficult I guess.

Also Northwest you 've got Oreg - Washington and Oregon now which uh y people don't know if it 's western or northern.

Yeah , I certainly don't. I mean , I was saying I don't even know what I speak.


Also Northwest you 've got Oreg - Washington and Oregon now which uh y people don't know if it 's western or northern.

Yeah , I certainly don't. I mean , I was saying I don't even know what I speak.


Yeah , I certainly don't. I mean , I was saying I don't even know what I speak.

Oh , what is Northern ? Well and what  and what 's Northern ?


Oh , what is Northern ? Well and what  and what 's Northern ?

I think originally it was North  Northwest


I think originally it was North  Northwest


Yeah , so this is a real problem. I don't know what to do about it.


Yeah , so this is a real problem. I don't know what to do about it.

I wouldn't know how to characterize mine either. And  and so I would think  I would say , I 've  I 've got a mix of California and Ohio.


Yeah , so this is a real problem. I don't know what to do about it.

I wouldn't know how to characterize mine either. And  and so I would think  I would say , I 've  I 've got a mix of California and Ohio.

I c I think at the first level , for example , we speak the same.


I wouldn't know how to characterize mine either. And  and so I would think  I would say , I 've  I 've got a mix of California and Ohio.

I c I think at the first level , for example , we speak the same.


I wouldn't know how to characterize mine either. And  and so I would think  I would say , I 've  I 've got a mix of California and Ohio.

I c I think at the first level , for example , we speak the same.

our  our dialects Or  whatever you  region are the same.


I c I think at the first level , for example , we speak the same.

our  our dialects Or  whatever you  region are the same.


our  our dialects Or  whatever you  region are the same.


our  our dialects Or  whatever you  region are the same.

Well , you have a like techno - speak accent I think.


Well , you have a like techno - speak accent I think.


Well it 's  I mean I  you can sort of identify


Well it 's  I mean I  you can sort of identify

it f It 's  it 's  not  not that that 's


it f It 's  it 's  not  not that that 's

but  but maybe that  maybe we could leave this and see what people  See what people choose and then um let them just fill in if they don't  I mean I don't know what else we can do , cuz   That 's North Midland.


it f It 's  it 's  not  not that that 's

but  but maybe that  maybe we could leave this and see what people  See what people choose and then um let them just fill in if they don't  I mean I don't know what else we can do , cuz   That 's North Midland.

I 'm wondering about a question like , " Where are you from mostly ? "


but  but maybe that  maybe we could leave this and see what people  See what people choose and then um let them just fill in if they don't  I mean I don't know what else we can do , cuz   That 's North Midland.

I 'm wondering about a question like , " Where are you from mostly ? "


but  but maybe that  maybe we could leave this and see what people  See what people choose and then um let them just fill in if they don't  I mean I don't know what else we can do , cuz   That 's North Midland.

I 'm wondering about a question like , " Where are you from mostly ? "

But I  I 'm s I 'm  now that you mentioned it though , I am  really am confused by " Northern ".


I 'm wondering about a question like , " Where are you from mostly ? "

But I  I 'm s I 'm  now that you mentioned it though , I am  really am confused by " Northern ".


But I  I 'm s I 'm  now that you mentioned it though , I am  really am confused by " Northern ".


I mean , if  if you 're  in New England , that 's North.


I mean , if  if you 're  in New England , that 's North.

Scandinavian , the Minnesota area 's north.


Scandinavian , the Minnesota area 's north.

Uh yeah. That 's  But that 's also North Midland ,


Uh yeah. That 's  But that 's also North Midland ,


And  and  and Oregon and  and Oregon and Washington are  are Western , but they 're also Northern.


And  and  and Oregon and  and Oregon and Washington are  are Western , but they 're also Northern.

Yeah. Of course , that 's very different from , like , Michigan , or


Yeah. Of course , that 's very different from , like , Michigan , or


Well there are hardly any subjects from Idaho.


There are hardly any subjects from " beep "


There are hardly any subjects from " beep "

Maybe  Maybe we  Maybe we should put a little map and say " put an X on where you 're from " ,


Maybe  Maybe we  Maybe we should put a little map and say " put an X on where you 're from " ,


We  we went  we went around this and then  a lot of people ended up saying that it


We  we went  we went around this and then  a lot of people ended up saying that it

Well , I like the idea of asking " what variety of English do you speak " as opposed to where you 're from Because th if we start asking where we 're from , again you have to start saying , " well , is that the language you speak or is that just where you 're from ? "


Well , I like the idea of asking " what variety of English do you speak " as opposed to where you 're from Because th if we start asking where we 're from , again you have to start saying , " well , is that the language you speak or is that just where you 're from ? "


I mean it gives us good information on where they 're from , but that doesn't  tell us anything


I mean it gives us good information on where they 're from , but that doesn't  tell us anything

We could always ask them if they 're from


We could always ask them if they 're from


You know am I speaking with German accent


You know am I speaking with German accent

Well , see , I 'm thinking " Where are you from mostly "


Well , see , I 'm thinking " Where are you from mostly "


Well , see , I 'm thinking " Where are you from mostly "

because , you know , then you have some  some kind of subjective amount of time factored into it.


because , you know , then you have some  some kind of subjective amount of time factored into it.


because , you know , then you have some  some kind of subjective amount of time factored into it.

Yep. Yeah , I guess I could try to put  squeeze in a little map.


Yep. Yeah , I guess I could try to put  squeeze in a little map.


Yep. Yeah , I guess I could try to put  squeeze in a little map.

I 'd say , uh , " Boston , New York City , the South and Regular ".


I 'd say , uh , " Boston , New York City , the South and Regular ".


I 'd say , uh , " Boston , New York City , the South and Regular ".

I think of those , Northern is the only one that I don't even know what they 're meaning.


I think of those , Northern is the only one that I don't even know what they 're meaning.


I think of those , Northern is the only one that I don't even know what they 're meaning.

And  And   Um  And usually here  people here know what is their kind of mmm lang English language ?


And  And   Um  And usually here  people here know what is their kind of mmm lang English language ?

So let 's make it up. S I mean , who cares. Right ? We can make up our own  So we can say " Northwest " , " Rest of West " or something. You know. " West " and I mean.


And  And   Um  And usually here  people here know what is their kind of mmm lang English language ?

So let 's make it up. S I mean , who cares. Right ? We can make up our own  So we can say " Northwest " , " Rest of West " or something. You know. " West " and I mean.

Ye I don't think the Northwest people speak any differently than I do.


So let 's make it up. S I mean , who cares. Right ? We can make up our own  So we can say " Northwest " , " Rest of West " or something. You know. " West " and I mean.

Ye I don't think the Northwest people speak any differently than I do.

It doesn't even  Yeah , exactly. That 's not really a region.


So let 's make it up. S I mean , who cares. Right ? We can make up our own  So we can say " Northwest " , " Rest of West " or something. You know. " West " and I mean.

Ye I don't think the Northwest people speak any differently than I do.

It doesn't even  Yeah , exactly. That 's not really a region.

" Do you come from the Louisiana Purchase ? "


Ye I don't think the Northwest people speak any differently than I do.

It doesn't even  Yeah , exactly. That 's not really a region.

" Do you come from the Louisiana Purchase ? "

So we could take out " North "  " Northern ".


It doesn't even  Yeah , exactly. That 's not really a region.

" Do you come from the Louisiana Purchase ? "

So we could take out " North "  " Northern ".

That  that 's exactly what we 're arguing about.


" Do you come from the Louisiana Purchase ? "

So we could take out " North "  " Northern ".

That  that 's exactly what we 're arguing about.


So we could take out " North "  " Northern ".

That  that 's exactly what we 're arguing about.

That 's  Yeah , w It 's  In  It 's  it 's harder in America anywhere else , basically.


That  that 's exactly what we 're arguing about.

That 's  Yeah , w It 's  In  It 's  it 's harder in America anywhere else , basically.


That 's  Yeah , w It 's  In  It 's  it 's harder in America anywhere else , basically.


That 's  Yeah , w It 's  In  It 's  it 's harder in America anywhere else , basically.

I mean some of them are very obvious. If you  if you talk to someone speaking with Southern drawl , you know.


I mean some of them are very obvious. If you  if you talk to someone speaking with Southern drawl , you know.


And those people , if you ask them to self - identify their accent they know.


They know they don't speak the same as the


W  I guess that 's the problem with these categories.


W  I guess that 's the problem with these categories.

But that 's why they have New York City but


W  I guess that 's the problem with these categories.

But that 's why they have New York City but

Well , we ca Well , why can't we just say characterize  something like char characterize your accent


But that 's why they have New York City but

Well , we ca Well , why can't we just say characterize  something like char characterize your accent

Or  " Characterize your accent  if you can. "


Well , we ca Well , why can't we just say characterize  something like char characterize your accent

Or  " Characterize your accent  if you can. "

and  and so I would say , " I don't know ".


Or  " Characterize your accent  if you can. "

and  and so I would say , " I don't know ".

Yeah. Right , which probably means you have a very


Or  " Characterize your accent  if you can. "

and  and so I would say , " I don't know ".

Yeah. Right , which probably means you have a very

But someone from Boston with a really strong coloration would know. And so would an R - less Maine  or something ,


and  and so I would say , " I don't know ".

Yeah. Right , which probably means you have a very

But someone from Boston with a really strong coloration would know. And so would an R - less Maine  or something ,


Yeah. Right , which probably means you have a very

But someone from Boston with a really strong coloration would know. And so would an R - less Maine  or something ,


But someone from Boston with a really strong coloration would know. And so would an R - less Maine  or something ,


I was  I was thinking of something along that line


I was  I was thinking of something along that line

because  if you don't know , then , you know , ruling out the fact that you 're totally  inept or something ,


because  if you don't know , then , you know , ruling out the fact that you 're totally  inept or something ,


because  if you don't know , then , you know , ruling out the fact that you 're totally  inept or something ,

if somebody doesn't know , it probably means their accent isn't very strong compared to the sort of midwest standard.


because  if you don't know , then , you know , ruling out the fact that you 're totally  inept or something ,

if somebody doesn't know , it probably means their accent isn't very strong compared to the sort of midwest standard.

Well ,  I mean , it wasn't that long ago that we had somebody here who was from Texas who was absolutely sure that he didn't have any accent left.


if somebody doesn't know , it probably means their accent isn't very strong compared to the sort of midwest standard.

Well ,  I mean , it wasn't that long ago that we had somebody here who was from Texas who was absolutely sure that he didn't have any accent left.


if somebody doesn't know , it probably means their accent isn't very strong compared to the sort of midwest standard.

Well ,  I mean , it wasn't that long ago that we had somebody here who was from Texas who was absolutely sure that he didn't have any accent left.

And  and had  he had a pretty  noticeable drawl.


Well ,  I mean , it wasn't that long ago that we had somebody here who was from Texas who was absolutely sure that he didn't have any accent left.

And  and had  he had a pretty  noticeable drawl.

OK , so. I propose ,  take out Northern add , don't know.


And  and had  he had a pretty  noticeable drawl.

OK , so. I propose ,  take out Northern add , don't know.

Oh.  Yeah. I  I would say more  more sweepingly , " how would you characterize your accent ? "


OK , so. I propose ,  take out Northern add , don't know.

Oh.  Yeah. I  I would say more  more sweepingly , " how would you characterize your accent ? "

So you want to change the instructions also not just say region ?


Oh.  Yeah. I  I would say more  more sweepingly , " how would you characterize your accent ? "

So you want to change the instructions also not just say region ?

Well , I think this discussion has made me think that 's s something to consider.


So you want to change the instructions also not just say region ?

Well , I think this discussion has made me think that 's s something to consider.

I don't know if I  if I read this form , I think they 're going to ask  it  they 're going to answer the same way if you say , " What 's variety of English do you speak ? Region. " as if you say " what variety of region  region  do you speak ? Please characterize your accent ? " They 're going to answer the same way.


Well , I think this discussion has made me think that 's s something to consider.

I don't know if I  if I read this form , I think they 're going to ask  it  they 're going to answer the same way if you say , " What 's variety of English do you speak ? Region. " as if you say " what variety of region  region  do you speak ? Please characterize your accent ? " They 're going to answer the same way.


I don't know if I  if I read this form , I think they 're going to ask  it  they 're going to answer the same way if you say , " What 's variety of English do you speak ? Region. " as if you say " what variety of region  region  do you speak ? Please characterize your accent ? " They 're going to answer the same way.

So. I was suggesting not having the options , just having them


So. I was suggesting not having the options , just having them


So. I was suggesting not having the options , just having them

Well what we talked about with that is  is so that they would understand the granularity.


Well what we talked about with that is  is so that they would understand the granularity.

Yes , but if , as Liz is suggesting , people who have strong accents know that they do


Well what we talked about with that is  is so that they would understand the granularity.

Yes , but if , as Liz is suggesting , people who have strong accents know that they do

I mean that 's what I had before , and you told me to list the regions to list them.


Yes , but if , as Liz is suggesting , people who have strong accents know that they do

I mean that 's what I had before , and you told me to list the regions to list them.


I mean that 's what I had before , and you told me to list the regions to list them.


Yeah last week  last week I was sort of r arguing for having it wide open , but then everybody said " Oh , no , but then it will be hard to interpret because some people will say Cincinnati and some will say Ohio ".


Yeah last week  last week I was sort of r arguing for having it wide open , but then everybody said " Oh , no , but then it will be hard to interpret because some people will say Cincinnati and some will say Ohio ".

I mean I had it wide open last week and  and you said TIMIT.


I mean I had it wide open last week and  and you said TIMIT.


And  Would people  No , I mean what if we put in both ways of asking them ? So. One is  Region and the another one is " if you had to characterize yourself  your accent , what would you say ? "


And  Would people  No , I mean what if we put in both ways of asking them ? So. One is  Region and the another one is " if you had to characterize yourself  your accent , what would you say ? "

Well they might only answer only one of the questions but if


Well they might only answer only one of the questions but if


Well they might only answer only one of the questions but if

They might say " Other " for Region because they don't know what category to use


They might say " Other " for Region because they don't know what category to use


because it is easier to have it open ended.


because it is easier to have it open ended.

It just  And we  we might learn from what they say , as to which one 's a better  way to ask it.


It just  And we  we might learn from what they say , as to which one 's a better  way to ask it.

but um It says " Variety " and then it gives things that e have American as one of the choices. But then it says " Region " , but Region actually just applies to uh , US ,


but um It says " Variety " and then it gives things that e have American as one of the choices. But then it says " Region " , but Region actually just applies to uh , US ,


but um It says " Variety " and then it gives things that e have American as one of the choices. But then it says " Region " , but Region actually just applies to uh , US ,

I mean that 's why I put the " Other " in.


I mean that 's why I put the " Other " in.


I mean that 's why I put the " Other " in.

Yeah , OK. We just  We sort of thought , " yes ,  " y y I mean


Yeah , OK. We just  We sort of thought , " yes ,  " y y I mean

At the last meeting , my recollection was that  we felt people would have uh less  that  that there are so many types and varieties of  these other languages and we are not going to have that many subjects from these different language groups


Yeah , OK. We just  We sort of thought , " yes ,  " y y I mean

At the last meeting , my recollection was that  we felt people would have uh less  that  that there are so many types and varieties of  these other languages and we are not going to have that many subjects from these different language groups

and that it 's a huge waste of  of space.


At the last meeting , my recollection was that  we felt people would have uh less  that  that there are so many types and varieties of  these other languages and we are not going to have that many subjects from these different language groups

and that it 's a huge waste of  of space.


and that it 's a huge waste of  of space.

So I mean , I  I mean the way I had it last time  was Region was blank ,


So I mean , I  I mean the way I had it last time  was Region was blank ,


And  and I think that that 's the best way to do it ,


And  and I think that that 's the best way to do it ,

because  because of the problems we 're talking about but what we said last week , was no , put in a list , so I put in a list. So should we go back to


And  and I think that that 's the best way to do it ,

because  because of the problems we 're talking about but what we said last week , was no , put in a list , so I put in a list. So should we go back to

Maybe we can make the list a little smaller.


because  because of the problems we 're talking about but what we said last week , was no , put in a list , so I put in a list. So should we go back to

Maybe we can make the list a little smaller.

Well , certainly dropping " Northern " I think is right , because none of us know what that is.


because  because of the problems we 're talking about but what we said last week , was no , put in a list , so I put in a list. So should we go back to

Maybe we can make the list a little smaller.

Well , certainly dropping " Northern " I think is right , because none of us know what that is.

Cuz , I mean  And keeping " Other " , and then  maybe this North Midland , we call it " North Midwest ". South  Midwest , or just


Maybe we can make the list a little smaller.

Well , certainly dropping " Northern " I think is right , because none of us know what that is.

Cuz , I mean  And keeping " Other " , and then  maybe this North Midland , we call it " North Midwest ". South  Midwest , or just


Well , certainly dropping " Northern " I think is right , because none of us know what that is.

Cuz , I mean  And keeping " Other " , and then  maybe this North Midland , we call it " North Midwest ". South  Midwest , or just


Cuz , I mean  And keeping " Other " , and then  maybe this North Midland , we call it " North Midwest ". South  Midwest , or just


Is it Midland  Midland  Midland , Texas or Midland , Kansas ? I forget.


yeah. So. Kansas would be  South Midland. Right ?


yeah. So. Kansas would be  South Midland. Right ?

And Colorado , right across the border , would be  North Midland.


And Colorado , right across the border , would be  North Midland.


Colora Oh , right. And then , the  the  dropping North , so it would be Western. It 's just one big shebang , where , of course , you have huge variation in dialects ,


Well , I shouldn't say that. I have no clue. I was going to say the only one that doesn't have a huge variety is New York City. But I have no idea whether it does or not.


Well , I shouldn't say that. I have no clue. I was going to say the only one that doesn't have a huge variety is New York City. But I have no idea whether it does or not.

It does seem  I mean. I  I would think that these categories would be more  w would be easier for an an analyst to put in rather than the subject himself.


Well , I shouldn't say that. I have no clue. I was going to say the only one that doesn't have a huge variety is New York City. But I have no idea whether it does or not.

It does seem  I mean. I  I would think that these categories would be more  w would be easier for an an analyst to put in rather than the subject himself.

I think that  that was what happened with TIMIT , was that it was an analyst.


It does seem  I mean. I  I would think that these categories would be more  w would be easier for an an analyst to put in rather than the subject himself.

I think that  that was what happened with TIMIT , was that it was an analyst.

Wait a minute. Where does  Where does   d w Where  Where 's  where does uh  New  New York west of  west of uh New York City and  Pennsylvania  uh and uh


I think that  that was what happened with TIMIT , was that it was an analyst.

Wait a minute. Where does  Where does   d w Where  Where 's  where does uh  New  New York west of  west of uh New York City and  Pennsylvania  uh and uh


Wait a minute. Where does  Where does   d w Where  Where 's  where does uh  New  New York west of  west of uh New York City and  Pennsylvania  uh and uh


I sort of thought they were part of the  one of the Midlands.


I sort of thought they were part of the  one of the Midlands.

Oh no. No , no.  No. Pennsylvania is not


I sort of thought they were part of the  one of the Midlands.

Oh no. No , no.  No. Pennsylvania is not

" Other " , it goes under " Other " , definitely under " Other ".


I sort of thought they were part of the  one of the Midlands.

Oh no. No , no.  No. Pennsylvania is not

" Other " , it goes under " Other " , definitely under " Other ".

Well , you know , Pennsylvania has a pretty strong dialect and it 's totally different than


Oh no. No , no.  No. Pennsylvania is not

" Other " , it goes under " Other " , definitely under " Other ".

Well , you know , Pennsylvania has a pretty strong dialect and it 's totally different than

Pennsylvania  Yeah. Pennsylvania is not New England. and uh New Jersey is not New England and Maryland is not New England and none of those are the South.


" Other " , it goes under " Other " , definitely under " Other ".

Well , you know , Pennsylvania has a pretty strong dialect and it 's totally different than

Pennsylvania  Yeah. Pennsylvania is not New England. and uh New Jersey is not New England and Maryland is not New England and none of those are the South.

OK. So. Another suggestion. Rather than have circle fill in forms , say " Region , open paren , E G Southern comma Western comma close paren colon. "


Well , you know , Pennsylvania has a pretty strong dialect and it 's totally different than

Pennsylvania  Yeah. Pennsylvania is not New England. and uh New Jersey is not New England and Maryland is not New England and none of those are the South.

OK. So. Another suggestion. Rather than have circle fill in forms , say " Region , open paren , E G Southern comma Western comma close paren colon. "


Pennsylvania  Yeah. Pennsylvania is not New England. and uh New Jersey is not New England and Maryland is not New England and none of those are the South.

OK. So. Another suggestion. Rather than have circle fill in forms , say " Region , open paren , E G Southern comma Western comma close paren colon. "


OK. So. Another suggestion. Rather than have circle fill in forms , say " Region , open paren , E G Southern comma Western comma close paren colon. "


We 're all  sufficiently  tired of this that we 're agreeing with you.


We 're all  sufficiently  tired of this that we 're agreeing with you.

Let 's just  And we 'll see what we get.


We 're all  sufficiently  tired of this that we 're agreeing with you.

Let 's just  And we 'll see what we get.

Be easier on the subjects. I think that 's fine. No. I think


Let 's just  And we 'll see what we get.

Be easier on the subjects. I think that 's fine. No. I think


Be easier on the subjects. I think that 's fine. No. I think


Actually , maybe we do one non - English one as well.


Actually , Liverpool doesn't l Yeah. It 's   I 'm s I ha


Actually , Liverpool doesn't l Yeah. It 's   I 'm s I ha

OK , we 'll do it that way. Actually , I like that a lot. Because that get 's at both of the things we were trying to do ,


OK , we 'll do it that way. Actually , I like that a lot. Because that get 's at both of the things we were trying to do ,

the granularity , and the person can just self - assess and we don't have to argue about what these regions are.


OK , we 'll do it that way. Actually , I like that a lot. Because that get 's at both of the things we were trying to do ,

the granularity , and the person can just self - assess and we don't have to argue about what these regions are.

That 's right. And it 's easy on the subjects.


the granularity , and the person can just self - assess and we don't have to argue about what these regions are.

That 's right. And it 's easy on the subjects.


That 's right. And it 's easy on the subjects.


Now I have one suggestion on the next section.


Now I have one suggestion on the next section.

So you have native language , you have region , and then you have time spent in English speaking country. Now , I wonder if it might be useful to have another open field saying " which one parenthesis S  paren closed parenthesis ". Cuz if they spent  time in  in Britain and America


So you have native language , you have region , and then you have time spent in English speaking country. Now , I wonder if it might be useful to have another open field saying " which one parenthesis S  paren closed parenthesis ". Cuz if they spent  time in  in Britain and America


So you have native language , you have region , and then you have time spent in English speaking country. Now , I wonder if it might be useful to have another open field saying " which one parenthesis S  paren closed parenthesis ". Cuz if they spent  time in  in Britain and America

It doesn't have to be ex all  at all exact , just in the same open field format that you have.


So you have native language , you have region , and then you have time spent in English speaking country. Now , I wonder if it might be useful to have another open field saying " which one parenthesis S  paren closed parenthesis ". Cuz if they spent  time in  in Britain and America

It doesn't have to be ex all  at all exact , just in the same open field format that you have.

Yep , just which one. I think that 's fine.


It doesn't have to be ex all  at all exact , just in the same open field format that you have.

Yep , just which one. I think that 's fine.


Yep , just which one. I think that 's fine.


OK. um s e Any  any other uh open mike topics or should we go  right to the digits ?


OK. um s e Any  any other uh open mike topics or should we go  right to the digits ?

Um , did you guys get my email on the multitrans ? That  OK.


OK. um s e Any  any other uh open mike topics or should we go  right to the digits ?

Um , did you guys get my email on the multitrans ? That  OK.

Yeah. So. So. I  I have a version also which actually displays all the channels.


Um , did you guys get my email on the multitrans ? That  OK.

Yeah. So. So. I  I have a version also which actually displays all the channels.


Yeah. So. So. I  I have a version also which actually displays all the channels.


So you  this is n Dan 's patches , Dan Ellis 's patches.


So you  this is n Dan 's patches , Dan Ellis 's patches.

The  what  the ones I applied , that you can actually do are Dan 's , because it doesn't slow it down.


The  what  the ones I applied , that you can actually do are Dan 's , because it doesn't slow it down.

So when you say " slow " , does that mean to


So when you say " slow " , does that mean to

No , the  the one that 's installed is fine. It 's not slow at all. I wrote another version. Which , instead of having the one pane with the one view , It has multiple panes  with the views.


No , the  the one that 's installed is fine. It 's not slow at all. I wrote another version. Which , instead of having the one pane with the one view , It has multiple panes  with the views.

But the problem with it is the drawing of those waveforms is so slow that every time you do anything it just crawls.


But the problem with it is the drawing of those waveforms is so slow that every time you do anything it just crawls.


But the problem with it is the drawing of those waveforms is so slow that every time you do anything it just crawls.

It 's  So , it  it 's the redrawing of the w


It 's  So , it  it 's the redrawing of the w


As you play , as you move , as you scroll. Just about anything , and it  it was so slow it was not usable. So that 's why I didn't install it and didn't pursue it.


As you play , as you move , as you scroll. Just about anything , and it  it was so slow it was not usable. So that 's why I didn't install it and didn't pursue it.

And this 'll be a  hav having the multiwave will be a big help cuz  in terms of like disentangling overlaps and things , that 'll be a big help.


As you play , as you move , as you scroll. Just about anything , and it  it was so slow it was not usable. So that 's why I didn't install it and didn't pursue it.

And this 'll be a  hav having the multiwave will be a big help cuz  in terms of like disentangling overlaps and things , that 'll be a big help.

So. I think that the one Dan has is usable enough.


And this 'll be a  hav having the multiwave will be a big help cuz  in terms of like disentangling overlaps and things , that 'll be a big help.

So. I think that the one Dan has is usable enough.


So. I think that the one Dan has is usable enough.

It doesn't display the others. It displays just the mixed signal.


It doesn't display the others. It displays just the mixed signal.


It doesn't display the others. It displays just the mixed signal.

That 's excellent. He also has version control which is another nice


That 's excellent. He also has version control which is another nice


That 's excellent. He also has version control which is another nice

No , he suggested that , but he didn't   It 's not installed.


No , he suggested that , but he didn't   It 's not installed.

Oh , I thought it was in one of those patches.


Oh , I thought it was in one of those patches.

So is there any hope for actually displaying the wave form ?


So is there any hope for actually displaying the wave form ?

Um , not if we 're going to use Tcl - TK At least not if we 're going to use Snack.


So is there any hope for actually displaying the wave form ?

Um , not if we 're going to use Tcl - TK At least not if we 're going to use Snack.

I mean you would have to do something ourselves.


Um , not if we 're going to use Tcl - TK At least not if we 're going to use Snack.

I mean you would have to do something ourselves.


I mean you would have to do something ourselves.

OK. Well , I 'm  I probably would be trying to use the   whatever 's there. And it 's useful to have the


I mean you would have to do something ourselves.

OK. Well , I 'm  I probably would be trying to use the   whatever 's there. And it 's useful to have the

Why don't we  we see how Dan 's works and if it  If we really need the display


OK. Well , I 'm  I probably would be trying to use the   whatever 's there. And it 's useful to have the

Why don't we  we see how Dan 's works and if it  If we really need the display

Yeah. I mean. I wonder  I 'm just wondering if we can display things other than the wave form. So. Suppose we have a feature  a feature stream. And it 's just , you know , a  a uni - dimensional feature , varying in time.


Why don't we  we see how Dan 's works and if it  If we really need the display

Yeah. I mean. I wonder  I 'm just wondering if we can display things other than the wave form. So. Suppose we have a feature  a feature stream. And it 's just , you know , a  a uni - dimensional feature , varying in time.

And we want to plot that , instead of the whole wave form.


Yeah. I mean. I wonder  I 'm just wondering if we can display things other than the wave form. So. Suppose we have a feature  a feature stream. And it 's just , you know , a  a uni - dimensional feature , varying in time.

And we want to plot that , instead of the whole wave form.


And we want to plot that , instead of the whole wave form.


We  we could do that but that would mean changing the code.


This is a program that we got from someone else , and we 've done patches on.


This is a program that we got from someone else , and we 've done patches on.

OK. Well , I 'll talk to you about it and we can see


OK. Well , I 'll talk to you about it and we can see


but it 's definitely  great to have the other one.


but it 's definitely  great to have the other one.

If there was some  Is there some way to  have someone write patches in something faster and  and  link it in , or something ?


If there was some  Is there some way to  have someone write patches in something faster and  and  link it in , or something ?


I mean y yes we could do that. You could  you can write widgets in C. And try to do it that way but I just don't think  it


I mean y yes we could do that. You could  you can write widgets in C. And try to do it that way but I just don't think  it

Let 's try it with Dan 's and if that isn't enough , we can do it otherwise.


Let 's try it with Dan 's and if that isn't enough , we can do it otherwise.

I think it is , cuz when I was playing with it , the mixed signal has it all in there. And so it 's really  It 's not too bad to find places in the  in the stream where things are happening.


I think it is , cuz when I was playing with it , the mixed signal has it all in there. And so it 's really  It 's not too bad to find places in the  in the stream where things are happening.


I think it is , cuz when I was playing with it , the mixed signal has it all in there. And so it 's really  It 's not too bad to find places in the  in the stream where things are happening.

And it 's also  also the case that  that uh this multi - wave thing  is proposed to the


And it 's also  also the case that  that uh this multi - wave thing  is proposed to the


And it 's also  also the case that  that uh this multi - wave thing  is proposed to the

So. Dan proposed it to the Transcriber central people , and it 's likely that uh  So. And  and they responded favorably looks as though it will be incorporated in the future version.


So. Dan proposed it to the Transcriber central people , and it 's likely that uh  So. And  and they responded favorably looks as though it will be incorporated in the future version.

They said that the only reason they hadn't had the multi the parallel uh stream one before was simply that  they hadn't had time to do it. And uh  so it 's likely that this  this may be entered into the ch this central @ @.


They said that the only reason they hadn't had the multi the parallel uh stream one before was simply that  they hadn't had time to do it. And uh  so it 's likely that this  this may be entered into the ch this central @ @.


They said that the only reason they hadn't had the multi the parallel uh stream one before was simply that  they hadn't had time to do it. And uh  so it 's likely that this  this may be entered into the ch this central @ @.

They may well have not had much demand for it.


They may well have not had much demand for it.

Well that 's  that 's  that 's true , too.


Well that 's  that 's  that 's true , too.

So. You mean they could  they could do it and it would be  fast enough if they do it ?


So. You mean they could  they could do it and it would be  fast enough if they do it ?


So. You mean they could  they could do it and it would be  fast enough if they do it ?

Oh. No. I just mean  I just mean that it 's  that  that his


Oh. No. I just mean  I just mean that it 's  that  that his


Oh. No. I just mean  I just mean that it 's  that  that his

So.  This one that we now have does have the status of  potentially being incorporated l likely being incorporated into the central code.


So.  This one that we now have does have the status of  potentially being incorporated l likely being incorporated into the central code.


So.  This one that we now have does have the status of  potentially being incorporated l likely being incorporated into the central code.

Now , tha Now , if we develop further then , y uh , I don't


So.  This one that we now have does have the status of  potentially being incorporated l likely being incorporated into the central code.

Now , tha Now , if we develop further then , y uh , I don't

I think if  if  if one of us sat down and coded it , so that it could be displayed fast enough I 'm sure they would be quite willing to incorporate it.


Now , tha Now , if we develop further then , y uh , I don't

I think if  if  if one of us sat down and coded it , so that it could be displayed fast enough I 'm sure they would be quite willing to incorporate it.

I mean it 's  I think it 's a nice feature to have it  set that way. Mm - hmm.


I think if  if  if one of us sat down and coded it , so that it could be displayed fast enough I 'm sure they would be quite willing to incorporate it.

I mean it 's  I think it 's a nice feature to have it  set that way. Mm - hmm.


I mean it 's  I think it 's a nice feature to have it  set that way. Mm - hmm.


I just like the idea of it being something that 's , you know , tied back into the original , so that other people can benefit from it.


I just like the idea of it being something that 's , you know , tied back into the original , so that other people can benefit from it.

Yeah. However. I also understand that you can have  widgets that are very useful for their purpose and that you don't need to always go that w route. Yeah.


Yeah. However. I also understand that you can have  widgets that are very useful for their purpose and that you don't need to always go that w route. Yeah.


Yeah. Let 's do digits , uh , and then we 'll turn off the mikes , and then I have one other thing to discuss.


Yeah. Let 's do digits , uh , and then we 'll turn off the mikes , and then I have one other thing to discuss.

I actually have to leave. So. Um. I mean  I had to leave at three thirty ,


I actually have to leave. So. Um. I mean  I had to leave at three thirty ,


so I can   Well , I can wait  for the digits but I can't stay for the discussion


Well , should we  e should we switch off the g


Well , should we  e should we switch off the g

Do you wanna go do digits or do you wanna just skip digits ?


Well , should we  e should we switch off the g

Do you wanna go do digits or do you wanna just skip digits ?

Um. No , I can do digits if  if  But I don't wanna butt in , or something.


Do you wanna go do digits or do you wanna just skip digits ?

Um. No , I can do digits if  if  But I don't wanna butt in , or something.


Do you wanna go do digits or do you wanna just skip digits ?

Um. No , I can do digits if  if  But I don't wanna butt in , or something.

But if there 's something on the rest of the  I 'm  I 'll be around just have to make call before quarter of. So.


Um. No , I can do digits if  if  But I don't wanna butt in , or something.

But if there 's something on the rest of the  I 'm  I 'll be around just have to make call before quarter of. So.


Okay. So , now um ,  last time. Can you uh  push the button ?  One time please. So   I'm still the secretary. Now uh , I ask you to presentate the prototype. One of your  you two.


It's uh it's uh it's yellow. And uh , this is rubber. And and and this too. The


It's uh it's uh it's yellow. And uh , this is rubber. And and and this too. The

And the rest is hard plastic. And uh  We uh we had some uh   We had a new idea  that that this can uh can be uh uh turned inside.


And the rest is hard plastic. And uh  We uh we had some uh   We had a new idea  that that this can uh can be uh uh turned inside.


And then you can still use the the power button and the mute and the the joystick.


And then you can still use the the power button and the mute and the the joystick.

So , you can still operate uh all the things. Because you don't always use the menu. And then it can break.


So , you can still operate uh all the things. Because you don't always use the menu. And then it can break.


Big buttons. And everything is blue , except the power button. And the mute. Of uh  yeah , and the mute and the the other button.  Yeah. Channel higher channel button.


Big buttons. And everything is blue , except the power button. And the mute. Of uh  yeah , and the mute and the the other button.  Yeah. Channel higher channel button.

And the joystick is for the volume and the channels.


And the joystick is for the volume and the channels.


Up is channel up. Down is channel down. To the right is volume up. To the left is volume down.


Up is channel up. Down is channel down. To the right is volume up. To the left is volume down.

Okay , so if joystick and L_C_D_. What's the R_R_  d


Up is channel up. Down is channel down. To the right is volume up. To the left is volume down.

Okay , so if joystick and L_C_D_. What's the R_R_  d

R_R_'s the l the the the the company uh logo.


Okay , so if joystick and L_C_D_. What's the R_R_  d

R_R_'s the l the the the the company uh logo.


R_R_'s the l the the the the company uh logo.


So , what they say on the side is put fashion there. Yes. It's good.


Now , the finance.  We don't know if it's  th it  if it's okay.


Do we change the the order ? Or are we going to uh ev evaluate it first ?


Do we change the the order ? Or are we going to uh ev evaluate it first ?

Finance is um  Yeah it's  No , first uh  Yes. We have to evaluate the product yet.


Finance is um  Yeah it's  No , first uh  Yes. We have to evaluate the product yet.

That's uh um   That can be none. Um , we gonna do the evaluation now , together. But I have uh a introduction how it works. So , it will come up. Uh-oh. Okay. Um , yeah. Well , we uh  uh , I have um thinked a few evaluation uh criterias , uh based on um our marketing strategy , on uh the latest trends , on user preferences. Uh , we have a seven point scale from uh true , as well. To false , seven ? And on base of each c uh criteria , we need to um give a rating. We can uh  Well , it look like this. But we gonna uh do it here , they said.  So , you hope found out how to do it with a Word document. Yeah. Okay , yeah. Yeah. Um , well uh we have the Word document


That's uh um   That can be none. Um , we gonna do the evaluation now , together. But I have uh a introduction how it works. So , it will come up. Uh-oh. Okay. Um , yeah. Well , we uh  uh , I have um thinked a few evaluation uh criterias , uh based on um our marketing strategy , on uh the latest trends , on user preferences. Uh , we have a seven point scale from uh true , as well. To false , seven ? And on base of each c uh criteria , we need to um give a rating. We can uh  Well , it look like this. But we gonna uh do it here , they said.  So , you hope found out how to do it with a Word document. Yeah. Okay , yeah. Yeah. Um , well uh we have the Word document


That's uh um   That can be none. Um , we gonna do the evaluation now , together. But I have uh a introduction how it works. So , it will come up. Uh-oh. Okay. Um , yeah. Well , we uh  uh , I have um thinked a few evaluation uh criterias , uh based on um our marketing strategy , on uh the latest trends , on user preferences. Uh , we have a seven point scale from uh true , as well. To false , seven ? And on base of each c uh criteria , we need to um give a rating. We can uh  Well , it look like this. But we gonna uh do it here , they said.  So , you hope found out how to do it with a Word document. Yeah. Okay , yeah. Yeah. Um , well uh we have the Word document

You   So we open up that blank here. Um   Think I can  Uh , what this just an example. So , this not very important. But um , if I can get a number in here. Hmm.


You   So we open up that blank here. Um   Think I can  Uh , what this just an example. So , this not very important. But um , if I can get a number in here. Hmm.


Um , so uh you have to think of it as uh the remote control is techno technologically innovative. Uh , and then we have to uh agree on the rating together. And in the end , we will c uh count an average of all rating. The first uh on each item.


Um , so uh you have to think of it as uh the remote control is techno technologically innovative. Uh , and then we have to uh agree on the rating together. And in the end , we will c uh count an average of all rating. The first uh on each item.

Yeah , I think it's uh   Uh , well technologically using , it's not uh  it doesn't contain many new features. Only the L_C_D_. So , it  Um , I think I will give it a  yeah , yeah , yeah  , a four. Hmm.


Um , so uh you have to think of it as uh the remote control is techno technologically innovative. Uh , and then we have to uh agree on the rating together. And in the end , we will c uh count an average of all rating. The first uh on each item.

Yeah , I think it's uh   Uh , well technologically using , it's not uh  it doesn't contain many new features. Only the L_C_D_. So , it  Um , I think I will give it a  yeah , yeah , yeah  , a four. Hmm.

I think the scroll-button is something also uh new. What uh  not anoth uh ,


Yeah , I think it's uh   Uh , well technologically using , it's not uh  it doesn't contain many new features. Only the L_C_D_. So , it  Um , I think I will give it a  yeah , yeah , yeah  , a four. Hmm.

I think the scroll-button is something also uh new. What uh  not anoth uh ,

not a lot of uh  a lot of uh remote controls have. I think technologically I'll give it an seven. Si six six.


I think the scroll-button is something also uh new. What uh  not anoth uh ,

not a lot of uh  a lot of uh remote controls have. I think technologically I'll give it an seven. Si six six.


not a lot of uh  a lot of uh remote controls have. I think technologically I'll give it an seven. Si six six.

So now i I think you uh see it  um its statement.


So now i I think you uh see it  um its statement.


'Kay. Um , well  It's a one.  The first item. So , okay the second item. Um , this product is for all sorts of customers.


'Kay. Um , well  It's a one.  The first item. So , okay the second item. Um , this product is for all sorts of customers.

Well , it's a statement which uh I disagree with , because we uh really aim uh at at young market and I think the way it looked uh c uh totally in yellow , it's not uh really aimed for all customers. It doesn't look like that.


Well , it's a statement which uh I disagree with , because we uh really aim uh at at young market and I think the way it looked uh c uh totally in yellow , it's not uh really aimed for all customers. It doesn't look like that.


Yes , it's for the younger g group. So it's uh half half of the people.


Yes , it's for the younger g group. So it's uh half half of the people.

Yeah. I mean it still has l large buttons and not m many buttons.


Yeah. I mean it still has l large buttons and not m many buttons.


Yeah. I mean it still has l large buttons and not m many buttons.

So  I mean , the colours are for young people ,


So  I mean , the colours are for young people ,


Maybe version uh three point O_ uh   has other colours.


That's uh the motto of our company. Yeah , well do we do this with uh this product ? I um  Yeah. I think if we do this , as it's uh uh c uh it's really orientates on the design. Um , so I would give it a two.


That's uh the motto of our company. Yeah , well do we do this with uh this product ? I um  Yeah. I think if we do this , as it's uh uh c uh it's really orientates on the design. Um , so I would give it a two.

Me too a two , because only the battery is not uh techin uh technologically high standard. But the rest of it is. So , I think a two.


Me too a two , because only the battery is not uh techin uh technologically high standard. But the rest of it is. So , I think a two.


It's not fashion , it's new. It must be a fashion. But it isn't.


It's not fashion , it's new. It must be a fashion. But it isn't.

Yes. It w If it's not a fashion we can put it in it. So , it must be a fashion. I think it's a five.


Yes. It w If it's not a fashion we can put it in it. So , it must be a fashion. I think it's a five.


The next element um is the product looks good. Well personally , I do not prefer a um remote control that's fully in yellow. So , I would give this a five.


The next element um is the product looks good. Well personally , I do not prefer a um remote control that's fully in yellow. So , I would give this a five.

Well , I say three. So , counting then is two and a half.


Well , I say three. So , counting then is two and a half.


So , well we gonna do the next part. Uh , yep. Uh uh , the next statement. It has not too much buttons. Um , yeah , I I have uh said is not because uh a low number is better. And in the end we calculate an average. So , um that's why it's a negative in it. Um , well this one of our aims not have too much buttons. So , um uh did we uh do that ? Well , uh if we go to  uh this fashion , I  We still have caused uh a lot of uh buttons for the numbers. But you can you can go for that. And um that way , you don't have a lot of buttons over. So , I would give this a two.


Next , six. It does not get lost easily.


Next , six. It does not get lost easily.

So  Yeah , did we implement uh the sound ?


So  Yeah , did we implement uh the sound ?


No , we did not. So , but can it get lost if it's such a thing ?


Uh  It won't get between uh the pillows uh on the couch.


Okay , um well we aimed for the younger market.


Okay , um well we aimed for the younger market.

Uh yeah , did we achieve that. I think with the way it looks and um it is designed , I will give it a two.


Uh yeah , did we achieve that. I think with the way it looks and um it is designed , I will give it a two.


Uh , yes. That that was uh , yeah , one of the most important things that uh Trendwatch said. I didn't uh say it in my presentation. But um , well does it have that ? I would say yes. So um  Well , let's also give this a two. T


Uh , yes. That that was uh , yeah , one of the most important things that uh Trendwatch said. I didn't uh say it in my presentation. But um , well does it have that ? I would say yes. So um  Well , let's also give this a two. T

I gave this a one because of the rubber. It feels soft. Uh , it looks like a l uh uh b uh , a bit like a joystick. It's  Yeah. Yeah , f very fancy  trendy.


I gave this a one because of the rubber. It feels soft. Uh , it looks like a l uh uh b uh , a bit like a joystick. It's  Yeah. Yeah , f very fancy  trendy.

I say a two. It's a a bit personal. If it's fancy.


I say a two. It's a a bit personal. If it's fancy.


And um , then the last one I could think of , uh it goes with the latest trends.


And um , then the last one I could think of , uh it goes with the latest trends.

If we looked at the latest trends for the uh younger people , and they ate uh fruit and vegetables , well it has a um a nice colour , uh well compared to food but we didn't uh  We did not paint any uh fruit and vegetable on it for something like that.


If we looked at the latest trends for the uh younger people , and they ate uh fruit and vegetables , well it has a um a nice colour , uh well compared to food but we didn't uh  We did not paint any uh fruit and vegetable on it for something like that.

So , I would  did not give this uh a one or two. I  We'll go for a three.


If we looked at the latest trends for the uh younger people , and they ate uh fruit and vegetables , well it has a um a nice colour , uh well compared to food but we didn't uh  We did not paint any uh fruit and vegetable on it for something like that.

So , I would  did not give this uh a one or two. I  We'll go for a three.

I go for two because uh the the shapes are still round. Uh , the latest trends are soft things , you know , like uh I said in my presentation. Uh


So , I would  did not give this uh a one or two. I  We'll go for a three.

I go for two because uh the the shapes are still round. Uh , the latest trends are soft things , you know , like uh I said in my presentation. Uh


So , I would  did not give this uh a one or two. I  We'll go for a three.

I go for two because uh the the shapes are still round. Uh , the latest trends are soft things , you know , like uh I said in my presentation. Uh

But the the colours are um basic , like yellow , red , um blue. Something what also younger people want. It's also a trend , so I'll give it a two.


I go for two because uh the the shapes are still round. Uh , the latest trends are soft things , you know , like uh I said in my presentation. Uh

But the the colours are um basic , like yellow , red , um blue. Something what also younger people want. It's also a trend , so I'll give it a two.


But the the colours are um basic , like yellow , red , um blue. Something what also younger people want. It's also a trend , so I'll give it a two.


Okay. So um , come back to the presentation now. So , we find yourself there , and now we have to calculate an average rating.


Okay. So um , come back to the presentation now. So , we find yourself there , and now we have to calculate an average rating.

Effort is three , ten and twelve. Thirty , forty , fifty , .


Okay. So um , come back to the presentation now. So , we find yourself there , and now we have to calculate an average rating.

Effort is three , ten and twelve. Thirty , forty , fifty , .

Twenty one. So , it's uh two and three nine two and one third.


Effort is three , ten and twelve. Thirty , forty , fifty , .

Twenty one. So , it's uh two and three nine two and one third.


Twenty one. So , it's uh two and three nine two and one third.


So uh , that's a pretty low rating , I think.


So uh , that's a pretty low rating , I think.

So , according to our uh own evaluation uh we did a good job.


So , according to our uh own evaluation uh we did a good job.


Which one was the last for you ? Uh , dreaming.


Which one was the last for you ? Uh , dreaming.

So , now uh we have a product. Very happy. But uh , is it cheap enough ? Um , so if uh  I'll have a look. We have a battery. One battery.


So , now uh we have a product. Very happy. But uh , is it cheap enough ? Um , so if uh  I'll have a look. We have a battery. One battery.


So , now uh we have a product. Very happy. But uh , is it cheap enough ? Um , so if uh  I'll have a look. We have a battery. One battery.

Okay , one battery. Electronics. Advanced chip.


Okay , one battery. Electronics. Advanced chip.


Okay , one battery. Electronics. Advanced chip.

Yeah it's the most advanced. Chip-on-print. We have that one.


Yeah it's the most advanced. Chip-on-print. We have that one.

We have the simple , regular and advanced.


We have the simple , regular and advanced.

We have the adva advanced. 'Kay , so uncurved or flat. Nope. Single curved or double curved ? We have double curved.


We have the adva advanced. 'Kay , so uncurved or flat. Nope. Single curved or double curved ? We have double curved.


No titanium. Special colour. Yes , yellow.


Interface , push-button. Scroll-wheel , integrated scroll-wheel push push-button , or L_C_D_ display.


Interface , push-button. Scroll-wheel , integrated scroll-wheel push push-button , or L_C_D_ display.

So , we have the L_C_D_ We have two scroll-wheels ? Or one ?


So , we have the L_C_D_ We have two scroll-wheels ? Or one ?


Yeah , it's this one. Now , uh button supplement.


Yeah , it's this one. Now , uh button supplement.

Special colour. We already  Uh , that's the  from the  for the buttons. The buttons are regular colour.


Yeah , it's this one. Now , uh button supplement.

Special colour. We already  Uh , that's the  from the  for the buttons. The buttons are regular colour.

So , then uh  then then then then then then  Then


Special colour. We already  Uh , that's the  from the  for the buttons. The buttons are regular colour.

So , then uh  then then then then then then  Then


So , then uh  then then then then then then  Then


Yeah , well uh when we lose one scroll-wheel , it's okay. 'Cause we can't lose the battery. We can't lose the advanced chip. We can't lose the double curve. We have rubber , special colour.


Uh , I don't think it's a very special colour.


I've  For a remote control , I think it is.


I've  For a remote control , I think it is.

If we would have uh uh normal buttons instead of uh the joystick. For up down left right.


I've  For a remote control , I think it is.

If we would have uh uh normal buttons instead of uh the joystick. For up down left right.

Um , then we uh lose two Euros. Then we have thirteen Euros. Half a Euro too much. Exactly the special colours. So


If we would have uh uh normal buttons instead of uh the joystick. For up down left right.

Um , then we uh lose two Euros. Then we have thirteen Euros. Half a Euro too much. Exactly the special colours. So

And what if we use only one sort of um  Um  just only plastic or only rubber ?


Um , then we uh lose two Euros. Then we have thirteen Euros. Half a Euro too much. Exactly the special colours. So

And what if we use only one sort of um  Um  just only plastic or only rubber ?


And what if we use only one sort of um  Um  just only plastic or only rubber ?

So , I don't think that's good. Mm  I think we have to keep the L_C_D_. If


So , I don't think that's good. Mm  I think we have to keep the L_C_D_. If

If we change the joyst uh the joystick thing into a button up , button down , button right , button left.


So , I don't think that's good. Mm  I think we have to keep the L_C_D_. If

If we change the joyst uh the joystick thing into a button up , button down , button right , button left.

And then we'll lose fifty cent in what ?


If we change the joyst uh the joystick thing into a button up , button down , button right , button left.

And then we'll lose fifty cent in what ?

So uh  yeah. Yeah. Then you have  Or you have to cut this off.


And then we'll lose fifty cent in what ?

So uh  yeah. Yeah. Then you have  Or you have to cut this off.


So uh  yeah. Yeah. Then you have  Or you have to cut this off.


And if you say it's just a r uh normal colour  it's a normal colour , wh


Normal colour , and the the joystick away , and put the button up , button down , right , left.


Normal colour , and the the joystick away , and put the button up , button down , right , left.

One minute , please. Uh   Is it maximum. Um  Yeah , it's normal colour. But if you lose the joystick , it's still uh an advanced chip ?


One minute , please. Uh   Is it maximum. Um  Yeah , it's normal colour. But if you lose the joystick , it's still uh an advanced chip ?


The advanced chip was for the L_C_D_ wasn't it ?


The advanced chip was for the L_C_D_ wasn't it ?

So , the advanced is for the L_C_D_ and the regular for the joystick.


So , the advanced is for the L_C_D_ and the regular for the joystick.


So , the advanced is for the L_C_D_ and the regular for the joystick.

If we lose the L_C_D_ , then we have an uh regular chip and no L_C_D_.


If we lose the L_C_D_ , then we have an uh regular chip and no L_C_D_.

Yeah , regular chip. But  Is it a good design ?


If we lose the L_C_D_ , then we have an uh regular chip and no L_C_D_.

Yeah , regular chip. But  Is it a good design ?

Uh , yeah. Then you'll have to m uh see the menu on the television. And you don't have the L_C_D_.


Yeah , regular chip. But  Is it a good design ?

Uh , yeah. Then you'll have to m uh see the menu on the television. And you don't have the L_C_D_.

So , the T_V_s has to uh  have to be up-to-date.


Uh , yeah. Then you'll have to m uh see the menu on the television. And you don't have the L_C_D_.

So , the T_V_s has to uh  have to be up-to-date.

If we have the n no buttons  If we have we have uh not a joystick but buttons , we would have  uh , we have thirteen Euros ?


So , the T_V_s has to uh  have to be up-to-date.

If we have the n no buttons  If we have we have uh not a joystick but buttons , we would have  uh , we have thirteen Euros ?


If we have the n no buttons  If we have we have uh not a joystick but buttons , we would have  uh , we have thirteen Euros ?

And then uh we move the the colour. What will that be ?


And then uh we move the the colour. What will that be ?


Okay , so no joystick. Oh no , but we  then we get push-buttons from half a Euro.


Okay , so no joystick. Oh no , but we  then we get push-buttons from half a Euro.

Yeah , then it's twelve Euro fifty , then it's okay.


Okay , so no joystick. Oh no , but we  then we get push-buttons from half a Euro.

Yeah , then it's twelve Euro fifty , then it's okay.

Uh , yes , yes , yes , yes. No joystick. Push-buttons. No special colour. Twelve and a half Euros. Then it's okay. So , we have to change that a little bit. And you cannot use the red and green button. Because if you give them a s uh colour ,


Yeah , then it's twelve Euro fifty , then it's okay.

Uh , yes , yes , yes , yes. No joystick. Push-buttons. No special colour. Twelve and a half Euros. Then it's okay. So , we have to change that a little bit. And you cannot use the red and green button. Because if you give them a s uh colour ,


Uh , yes , yes , yes , yes. No joystick. Push-buttons. No special colour. Twelve and a half Euros. Then it's okay. So , we have to change that a little bit. And you cannot use the red and green button. Because if you give them a s uh colour ,

So , all the buttons has to  have to be the same colour.


So , all the buttons has to  have to be the same colour.


So , all the buttons has to  have to be the same colour.

But then the print on it will g um change it. Make it uh for everybody to see what button it is. Uh l How you call it ?


But then the print on it will g um change it. Make it uh for everybody to see what button it is. Uh l How you call it ?


So  Well  Now we have to change that , but that's okay. Rubber. What's the normal colour ?


Yeah. It is. But then it will be just that ones.


Now , uh project eva evaluation. Well  What do you think of it ? Uh


process. Went good. Uh  I think uh the creativity uh  was good enough.


process. Went good. Uh  I think uh the creativity uh  was good enough.

We have a gun instead of a remote control. Um  Uh leadership. Yeah , you were the project project manager , and uh had the final vote.


process. Went good. Uh  I think uh the creativity uh  was good enough.

We have a gun instead of a remote control. Um  Uh leadership. Yeah , you were the project project manager , and uh had the final vote.

So   yeah that was clear. Team-work okay. Everybody uh has something uh to say about it. And uh  no , uh o only the   the drawing uh was very difficult. But , nah. New ideas found.  Nope.


We have a gun instead of a remote control. Um  Uh leadership. Yeah , you were the project project manager , and uh had the final vote.

So   yeah that was clear. Team-work okay. Everybody uh has something uh to say about it. And uh  no , uh o only the   the drawing uh was very difficult. But , nah. New ideas found.  Nope.

Yeah , well the same. I I espe I especially uh liked the the means , the the SMARTboard and uh  Yeah , it uh  It brings up new ideas when you work with uh with it.


So   yeah that was clear. Team-work okay. Everybody uh has something uh to say about it. And uh  no , uh o only the   the drawing uh was very difficult. But , nah. New ideas found.  Nope.

Yeah , well the same. I I espe I especially uh liked the the means , the the SMARTboard and uh  Yeah , it uh  It brings up new ideas when you work with uh with it.


Yeah , well the same. I I espe I especially uh liked the the means , the the SMARTboard and uh  Yeah , it uh  It brings up new ideas when you work with uh with it.


Yeah , well the same. I I espe I especially uh liked the the means , the the SMARTboard and uh  Yeah , it uh  It brings up new ideas when you work with uh with it.

Yeah , I think you have to compare it to if you would have a normal um normal project without laptops uh and without these devices. I think um  Well , the laptops if you have them out front of you , you sometimes looking at that instead of the presentation. Um , well uh the draw-board , well you can draw things. But it not really going very convenient.


Yeah , I think you have to compare it to if you would have a normal um normal project without laptops uh and without these devices. I think um  Well , the laptops if you have them out front of you , you sometimes looking at that instead of the presentation. Um , well uh the draw-board , well you can draw things. But it not really going very convenient.


Yeah , I think you have to compare it to if you would have a normal um normal project without laptops uh and without these devices. I think um  Well , the laptops if you have them out front of you , you sometimes looking at that instead of the presentation. Um , well uh the draw-board , well you can draw things. But it not really going very convenient.

Uh , maybe it will be easier if you have a smaller monitor  and uh you would also see there. And with a normal mouse. Um , and uh the project. Yeah , I agree on what was said uh mainly. Uh , yeah but you always have that some people are talking more than others. And maybe is then um the task of the the project manager to also uh ask more to the people uh less talking. To tell their opinion.


Yeah , I think you have to compare it to if you would have a normal um normal project without laptops uh and without these devices. I think um  Well , the laptops if you have them out front of you , you sometimes looking at that instead of the presentation. Um , well uh the draw-board , well you can draw things. But it not really going very convenient.

Uh , maybe it will be easier if you have a smaller monitor  and uh you would also see there. And with a normal mouse. Um , and uh the project. Yeah , I agree on what was said uh mainly. Uh , yeah but you always have that some people are talking more than others. And maybe is then um the task of the the project manager to also uh ask more to the people uh less talking. To tell their opinion.

Okay. Well , what do I have to say. I think it was good. Not too many discussions.


Uh , maybe it will be easier if you have a smaller monitor  and uh you would also see there. And with a normal mouse. Um , and uh the project. Yeah , I agree on what was said uh mainly. Uh , yeah but you always have that some people are talking more than others. And maybe is then um the task of the the project manager to also uh ask more to the people uh less talking. To tell their opinion.

Okay. Well , what do I have to say. I think it was good. Not too many discussions.


Okay. Well , what do I have to say. I think it was good. Not too many discussions.


Yeah , I will try to explain the thing that I did this  this week  during this week.


Yeah , I will try to explain the thing that I did this  this week  during this week.

Well eh you know that I work  I begin to work with a new feature to detect voice - unvoice.


Well eh you know that I work  I begin to work with a new feature to detect voice - unvoice.

What I trying two MLP to  to the  with this new feature and the fifteen feature uh from the eh bus base system


What I trying two MLP to  to the  with this new feature and the fifteen feature uh from the eh bus base system

No , satly the mes the Mel Cepstrum , the new base system  the new base system.


No , satly the mes the Mel Cepstrum , the new base system  the new base system.


yeah the Aurora system with the new filter , VAD or something like that.


yeah the Aurora system with the new filter , VAD or something like that.

And I 'm trying two MLP , one one that only have t three output , voice , unvoice , and silence ,


And I 'm trying two MLP , one one that only have t three output , voice , unvoice , and silence ,

and other one that have fifty - six output. The probabilities of the allophone. And I tried to do some experiment of recognition with that and only have result with  with the MLP with the three output. And I put together the fifteen features and the three MLP output. And , well , the result are li a little bit better , but more or less similar.


and other one that have fifty - six output. The probabilities of the allophone. And I tried to do some experiment of recognition with that and only have result with  with the MLP with the three output. And I put together the fifteen features and the three MLP output. And , well , the result are li a little bit better , but more or less similar.


and other one that have fifty - six output. The probabilities of the allophone. And I tried to do some experiment of recognition with that and only have result with  with the MLP with the three output. And I put together the fifteen features and the three MLP output. And , well , the result are li a little bit better , but more or less similar.

What  what feeds the uh  the three - output net ?


What  what feeds the uh  the three - output net ?


What  what feeds the uh  the three - output net ?

No no , what feeds it ? What features does it see ?


What  what feeds the uh  the three - output net ?

No no , what feeds it ? What features does it see ?

The feature  the input ? The inputs are the fifteen  the fifteen uh bases feature.


No no , what feeds it ? What features does it see ?

The feature  the input ? The inputs are the fifteen  the fifteen uh bases feature.


No no , what feeds it ? What features does it see ?

The feature  the input ? The inputs are the fifteen  the fifteen uh bases feature.

the  with the new code. And the other three features are R , the variance of the difference between the two spectrum ,


The feature  the input ? The inputs are the fifteen  the fifteen uh bases feature.

the  with the new code. And the other three features are R , the variance of the difference between the two spectrum ,


the  with the new code. And the other three features are R , the variance of the difference between the two spectrum ,

the variance of the auto - correlation function , except the  the first point , because half the height value is R - zero


the variance of the auto - correlation function , except the  the first point , because half the height value is R - zero

and also R - zero , the first coefficient of the auto - correlation function. That is like the energy with these three feature ,


and also R - zero , the first coefficient of the auto - correlation function. That is like the energy with these three feature ,


and also R - zero , the first coefficient of the auto - correlation function. That is like the energy with these three feature ,

You wouldn't do like R - one over R - zero or something like that ? I mean usually for voiced - unvoiced you 'd do  yeah , you 'd do something  you 'd do energy


You wouldn't do like R - one over R - zero or something like that ? I mean usually for voiced - unvoiced you 'd do  yeah , you 'd do something  you 'd do energy


You wouldn't do like R - one over R - zero or something like that ? I mean usually for voiced - unvoiced you 'd do  yeah , you 'd do something  you 'd do energy

but then you have something like spectral slope , which is you get like R - one ov over R - zero or something like that.


but then you have something like spectral slope , which is you get like R - one ov over R - zero or something like that.


Auto - correlation ? Yes , yes , the variance of the auto - correlation function that uses that


Auto - correlation ? Yes , yes , the variance of the auto - correlation function that uses that

Ye - Well that 's the variance , but if you just say " what is  " I mean , to first order , um yeah one of the differences between voiced , unvoiced and silence is energy. Another one is  but the other one is the spectral shape.


Auto - correlation ? Yes , yes , the variance of the auto - correlation function that uses that

Ye - Well that 's the variance , but if you just say " what is  " I mean , to first order , um yeah one of the differences between voiced , unvoiced and silence is energy. Another one is  but the other one is the spectral shape.

Yeah , and so R - one over R - zero is what you typically use for that.


Ye - Well that 's the variance , but if you just say " what is  " I mean , to first order , um yeah one of the differences between voiced , unvoiced and silence is energy. Another one is  but the other one is the spectral shape.

Yeah , and so R - one over R - zero is what you typically use for that.

yeah. No , I don't use that  I can't use


Yeah , and so R - one over R - zero is what you typically use for that.

yeah. No , I don't use that  I can't use

No , I 'm saying that 's what people us typically use.


yeah. No , I don't use that  I can't use

No , I 'm saying that 's what people us typically use.

See , because it  because this is  this is just like a single number to tell you um " does the spectrum look like that or does it look like that ".


No , I 'm saying that 's what people us typically use.

See , because it  because this is  this is just like a single number to tell you um " does the spectrum look like that or does it look like that ".


See , because it  because this is  this is just like a single number to tell you um " does the spectrum look like that or does it look like that ".


So if it 's  if it 's um  if it 's low energy uh but the  but the spectrum looks like that or like that , it 's probably silence.


So if it 's  if it 's um  if it 's low energy uh but the  but the spectrum looks like that or like that , it 's probably silence.

Uh but if it 's low energy and the spectrum looks like that , it 's probably unvoiced.


Uh but if it 's low energy and the spectrum looks like that , it 's probably unvoiced.

So if you just  if you just had to pick two features to determine voiced - unvoiced , you 'd pick something about the spectrum like uh R - one over R - zero , um and R - zero


So if you just  if you just had to pick two features to determine voiced - unvoiced , you 'd pick something about the spectrum like uh R - one over R - zero , um and R - zero

or i i you know you 'd have some other energy measure and like in the old days people did like uh zero crossing counts.


or i i you know you 'd have some other energy measure and like in the old days people did like uh zero crossing counts.


Bec - because the result are a little bit better but we have in a point that everything is more or less the similar  more or less similar.


Bec - because the result are a little bit better but we have in a point that everything is more or less the similar  more or less similar.

Right , but it seemed to me that what you were what you were getting at before was that there is something about the difference between the original signal or the original FFT and with the filter which is what  and the variance was one take uh on it.


Right , but it seemed to me that what you were what you were getting at before was that there is something about the difference between the original signal or the original FFT and with the filter which is what  and the variance was one take uh on it.


Right , but it seemed to me that what you were what you were getting at before was that there is something about the difference between the original signal or the original FFT and with the filter which is what  and the variance was one take uh on it.

Right. But it  it could be something else. Suppose you didn't have anything like that. Then in that case , if you have two nets , Alright , and this one has three outputs , and this one has f


Right. But it  it could be something else. Suppose you didn't have anything like that. Then in that case , if you have two nets , Alright , and this one has three outputs , and this one has f


if you were to sum up the probabilities for the voiced and for the unvoiced and for the silence here , we 've found in the past you 'll do better at voiced - unvoiced - silence than you do with this one. So just having the three output thing doesn't  doesn't really buy you anything. The issue is what you feed it.


So you 're saying take the features that go into the voiced - unvoiced - silence net and feed those into the other one , as additional inputs , rather than having a separate


So you 're saying take the features that go into the voiced - unvoiced - silence net and feed those into the other one , as additional inputs , rather than having a separate

That wasn't what I was saying but yeah that 's certainly another thing to do. No I was just trying to say if you b if you bring this into the picture over this , what more does it buy you ?


That wasn't what I was saying but yeah that 's certainly another thing to do. No I was just trying to say if you b if you bring this into the picture over this , what more does it buy you ?


That wasn't what I was saying but yeah that 's certainly another thing to do. No I was just trying to say if you b if you bring this into the picture over this , what more does it buy you ?

And what I was saying is that the only thing I think that it buys you is um based on whether you feed it something different. And something different in some fundamental way. And so the kind of thing that  that she was talking about before , was looking at something uh ab um  something uh about the difference between the  the uh um log FFT uh log power uh and the log magnitude uh F F - spectrum uh and the um uh filter bank.


And what I was saying is that the only thing I think that it buys you is um based on whether you feed it something different. And something different in some fundamental way. And so the kind of thing that  that she was talking about before , was looking at something uh ab um  something uh about the difference between the  the uh um log FFT uh log power uh and the log magnitude uh F F - spectrum uh and the um uh filter bank.

And so the filter bank is chosen in fact to sort of integrate out the effects of pitch and she 's saying you know trying  So the particular measure that she chose was the variance of this m of this difference , but that might not be the right number.


And so the filter bank is chosen in fact to sort of integrate out the effects of pitch and she 's saying you know trying  So the particular measure that she chose was the variance of this m of this difference , but that might not be the right number.

Right ? I mean maybe there 's something about the variance that 's  that 's not enough or maybe there 's something else that  that one could use , but I think that , for me , the thing that  that struck me was that uh you wanna get something back here , so here 's  here 's an idea. uh What about it you skip all the  all the really clever things , and just fed the log magnitude spectrum into this ?


Right ? I mean maybe there 's something about the variance that 's  that 's not enough or maybe there 's something else that  that one could use , but I think that , for me , the thing that  that struck me was that uh you wanna get something back here , so here 's  here 's an idea. uh What about it you skip all the  all the really clever things , and just fed the log magnitude spectrum into this ?

This is f You have the log magnitude spectrum , and you were looking at that and the difference between the filter bank and  and c c computing the variance.


This is f You have the log magnitude spectrum , and you were looking at that and the difference between the filter bank and  and c c computing the variance.


What if you stopped being clever ? And you just took this thing in here because it 's a neural net and neural nets are wonderful


What if you stopped being clever ? And you just took this thing in here because it 's a neural net and neural nets are wonderful

and figure out what they can  what they most need from things , and I mean that 's what they 're good at.


and figure out what they can  what they most need from things , and I mean that 's what they 're good at.

So I mean you 're  you 're  you 're trying to be clever and say what 's the statistic that should  we should get about this difference but uh in fact , you know maybe just feeding this in or  or feeding both of them in


So I mean you 're  you 're  you 're trying to be clever and say what 's the statistic that should  we should get about this difference but uh in fact , you know maybe just feeding this in or  or feeding both of them in

you know , another way , saying let it figure out what 's the  what is the interaction , especially if you do this over multiple frames ?


you know , another way , saying let it figure out what 's the  what is the interaction , especially if you do this over multiple frames ?

Then you have this over time , and  and both kinds of measures and uh you might get uh something better.


Then you have this over time , and  and both kinds of measures and uh you might get uh something better.


Then you have this over time , and  and both kinds of measures and uh you might get uh something better.

So  so don't uh  don't do the division , but let the net have everything.


So  so don't uh  don't do the division , but let the net have everything.

That 's another thing you could do yeah. Yeah.


So  so don't uh  don't do the division , but let the net have everything.

That 's another thing you could do yeah. Yeah.

Um. I mean , it seems to me , if you have exactly the right thing then it 's better to do it without the net because otherwise you 're asking the net to learn this  you know , say if you wanted to learn how to do multiplication.


That 's another thing you could do yeah. Yeah.

Um. I mean , it seems to me , if you have exactly the right thing then it 's better to do it without the net because otherwise you 're asking the net to learn this  you know , say if you wanted to learn how to do multiplication.