Yeah , uh maybe to  as uh  it it was indicated that uh uh risk uh of uh repeated use , the injuries , maybe a touch screen could be a better option for that.

So , a bigger b okay so y you're dividing designs based on not only segment age groups , you're desi uh dividing it according to the countries also , the market.


So , a bigger b okay so y you're dividing designs based on not only segment age groups , you're desi uh dividing it according to the countries also , the market.

Maybe for U_S_ and all you can have a slightly bigger remote control


Maybe for U_S_ and all you can have a slightly bigger remote control

and maybe in Japan and all you need to have a small , yeah.


and maybe in Japan and all you need to have a small , yeah.


and maybe in Japan and all you need to have a small , yeah.

and then the company can take it wherever they want to uh


and then the company can take it wherever they want to uh


and then the company can take it wherever they want to uh

in the sense that they can make it smaller , or they can make it bigger or they can change the features slightly , um.


in the sense that they can make it smaller , or they can make it bigger or they can change the features slightly , um.


Th the internal d engineering design has got to remain the same , yes , absolutely.


Th the internal d engineering design has got to remain the same , yes , absolutely.

It's gonna be the same , so we need to focus on just one thing , not get bogged down in lots of different um possibilities , um.


Th the internal d engineering design has got to remain the same , yes , absolutely.

It's gonna be the same , so we need to focus on just one thing , not get bogged down in lots of different um possibilities , um.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I'm concerned , when you read the the R_S_I_ issue again , repetitive strain injury , I don't think just moving your finger around on a small screen is going to deal with that enough , I think that is still a kind of a question mark issue how we deal with that. Um , R_S_I_ tends to be caused by repetitive small movements.


It's gonna be the same , so we need to focus on just one thing , not get bogged down in lots of different um possibilities , um.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I'm concerned , when you read the the R_S_I_ issue again , repetitive strain injury , I don't think just moving your finger around on a small screen is going to deal with that enough , I think that is still a kind of a question mark issue how we deal with that. Um , R_S_I_ tends to be caused by repetitive small movements.


Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I'm concerned , when you read the the R_S_I_ issue again , repetitive strain injury , I don't think just moving your finger around on a small screen is going to deal with that enough , I think that is still a kind of a question mark issue how we deal with that. Um , R_S_I_ tends to be caused by repetitive small movements.

I'm j I really can't get my head round this one ,


I'm j I really can't get my head round this one ,

this may have to be postponed to a future meeting but it's something we should think about.


I'm j I really can't get my head round this one ,

this may have to be postponed to a future meeting but it's something we should think about.

I  yeah I was just thinking about how you could combat that 'cause  without without doing something where you have to move your arm around to change the channel


this may have to be postponed to a future meeting but it's something we should think about.

I  yeah I was just thinking about how you could combat that 'cause  without without doing something where you have to move your arm around to change the channel

Mm. I know , and it becomes ridiculous , yes I know.


I  yeah I was just thinking about how you could combat that 'cause  without without doing something where you have to move your arm around to change the channel

Mm. I know , and it becomes ridiculous , yes I know.


Mm. I know , and it becomes ridiculous , yes I know.


I think that's the only way that you kind of avoid that kind of issue.


I think that's the only way that you kind of avoid that kind of issue.

Yes. Mm-hmm. Do we have to initially um , you know looking at the findings here , focus on a younger age group initially and then broaden out the market later. Do we really have to go for everyone right away ? Um.


Yes. Mm-hmm. Do we have to initially um , you know looking at the findings here , focus on a younger age group initially and then broaden out the market later. Do we really have to go for everyone right away ? Um.


If say people between age group of twenty to thirty five are the biggest market ?


If say people between age group of twenty to thirty five are the biggest market ?

And when we've been throwing up our ideas we're automatically talking about business people , young people , trendy people.


If say people between age group of twenty to thirty five are the biggest market ?

And when we've been throwing up our ideas we're automatically talking about business people , young people , trendy people.

We are  we're talking about um the type of company that we're working for as well. That they want um it to be fashionable ,


And when we've been throwing up our ideas we're automatically talking about business people , young people , trendy people.

We are  we're talking about um the type of company that we're working for as well. That they want um it to be fashionable ,

they want it to be trendy and you wouldn't automatically assume  associate that with the older generations.


We are  we're talking about um the type of company that we're working for as well. That they want um it to be fashionable ,

they want it to be trendy and you wouldn't automatically assume  associate that with the older generations.

Now with the baby boomers , the older generations are actually larger , they have a greater population than us young people ,


they want it to be trendy and you wouldn't automatically assume  associate that with the older generations.

Now with the baby boomers , the older generations are actually larger , they have a greater population than us young people ,


Now with the baby boomers , the older generations are actually larger , they have a greater population than us young people ,


but I don't think we're focusing on that , I think we are focusing on a sort of mid-range um , business kind of class type people.


but I don't think we're focusing on that , I think we are focusing on a sort of mid-range um , business kind of class type people.

Mm. Mm. I'm just thinking of budgetary issues too , for when it does get to the sort of broad scale marketing stage , we want to , you know , not waste money , not be profligate


but I don't think we're focusing on that , I think we are focusing on a sort of mid-range um , business kind of class type people.

Mm. Mm. I'm just thinking of budgetary issues too , for when it does get to the sort of broad scale marketing stage , we want to , you know , not waste money , not be profligate

and uh you know focus on where the idea will be taken up , first  it's most likely to be taken up first of all where the main purchasing power is coming from for a product like this.


Mm. Mm. I'm just thinking of budgetary issues too , for when it does get to the sort of broad scale marketing stage , we want to , you know , not waste money , not be profligate

and uh you know focus on where the idea will be taken up , first  it's most likely to be taken up first of all where the main purchasing power is coming from for a product like this.

Okay , so the remote control functions. Um we've got the T_V_ ,


and uh you know focus on where the idea will be taken up , first  it's most likely to be taken up first of all where the main purchasing power is coming from for a product like this.

Okay , so the remote control functions. Um we've got the T_V_ ,


and uh you know focus on where the idea will be taken up , first  it's most likely to be taken up first of all where the main purchasing power is coming from for a product like this.

Okay , so the remote control functions. Um we've got the T_V_ ,

we've got the video , now there's um I can't remember what it's called , the little code at the end of programme details ,


Okay , so the remote control functions. Um we've got the T_V_ ,

we've got the video , now there's um I can't remember what it's called , the little code at the end of programme details ,


we've got the video , now there's um I can't remember what it's called , the little code at the end of programme details ,

yes. We could use that as an alternative to programming in times , things like that , is that


yes. We could use that as an alternative to programming in times , things like that , is that

I always found that really easy when I discovered it , um


I always found that really easy when I discovered it , um


I always found that really easy when I discovered it , um

because you've got your general record anyway so if you  there's a programme on you want to put record on , that's fine , but if you do want to tape something in two days time and you're not sure if you're going to , you put the number in


because you've got your general record anyway so if you  there's a programme on you want to put record on , that's fine , but if you do want to tape something in two days time and you're not sure if you're going to , you put the number in


because you've got your general record anyway so if you  there's a programme on you want to put record on , that's fine , but if you do want to tape something in two days time and you're not sure if you're going to , you put the number in

and it's just a number , it's not a date , it's not a time , it's not a channel , it's not when it finishes , it's not anything like that ,


and it's just a number , it's not a date , it's not a time , it's not a channel , it's not when it finishes , it's not anything like that ,


and it's just a number , it's not a date , it's not a time , it's not a channel , it's not when it finishes , it's not anything like that ,

yeah. And you wouldn't you wouldn't need uh a whole host of extra buttons for that ,


yeah. And you wouldn't you wouldn't need uh a whole host of extra buttons for that ,


yeah. And you wouldn't you wouldn't need uh a whole host of extra buttons for that ,

you just need one 'cause you've already got all the numbers there anyway ,


yeah. And you wouldn't you wouldn't need uh a whole host of extra buttons for that ,

you just need one 'cause you've already got all the numbers there anyway ,

You've already got the numbers for typing in anyway.


you just need one 'cause you've already got all the numbers there anyway ,

You've already got the numbers for typing in anyway.


you just need one 'cause you've already got all the numbers there anyway ,

You've already got the numbers for typing in anyway.

Right , I've not come across that function but it sounds wonderful .


You've already got the numbers for typing in anyway.

Right , I've not come across that function but it sounds wonderful .


Right , I've not come across that function but it sounds wonderful .

after um  if you look in the newspaper , T_V_ guide or any T_V_ guide there's a five , six digit number afterwards


after um  if you look in the newspaper , T_V_ guide or any T_V_ guide there's a five , six digit number afterwards

and that's the number you put in and it's recorded that it's going to be on on Tuesdays at ten o'clock on the seventeenth


and that's the number you put in and it's recorded that it's going to be on on Tuesdays at ten o'clock on the seventeenth

so you don't have to worry about dates and you don't have to worry about times ,


so you don't have to worry about dates and you don't have to worry about times ,

um and it has been around for quite a long time.


so you don't have to worry about dates and you don't have to worry about times ,

um and it has been around for quite a long time.

It's been been around for a long time it's just it's not very well advertised as to how to use it and things.


um and it has been around for quite a long time.

It's been been around for a long time it's just it's not very well advertised as to how to use it and things.

No it's not um but I think if awareness was kind of brought to the forefront about that


It's been been around for a long time it's just it's not very well advertised as to how to use it and things.

No it's not um but I think if awareness was kind of brought to the forefront about that


No it's not um but I think if awareness was kind of brought to the forefront about that


Though if y if you've got something like Sky anyway you can just click on it  you can just press the button on the programme once and it'll record that programme when it's on


Though if y if you've got something like Sky anyway you can just click on it  you can just press the button on the programme once and it'll record that programme when it's on

and you press it on it twice and it'll record the whole series.


and you press it on it twice and it'll record the whole series.


But just to have that function would be would be really good.


But just to have that function would be would be really good.

Can I just run this past you while it occurs to me , I don't mean to quickly jump from one subject to another , but just discussing the different age groups and targeting the different age groups it occurs to me ,  to produce our own mobile phones , that that's kind of what led us on to comparing T_V_ remote controls with with their design features , um , chain companies like Carphone Warehouse , you can pop in anytime with a phone that you bought for them w if you've got any problems with it and they'll fix it ,


Can I just run this past you while it occurs to me , I don't mean to quickly jump from one subject to another , but just discussing the different age groups and targeting the different age groups it occurs to me ,  to produce our own mobile phones , that that's kind of what led us on to comparing T_V_ remote controls with with their design features , um , chain companies like Carphone Warehouse , you can pop in anytime with a phone that you bought for them w if you've got any problems with it and they'll fix it ,


Can I just run this past you while it occurs to me , I don't mean to quickly jump from one subject to another , but just discussing the different age groups and targeting the different age groups it occurs to me ,  to produce our own mobile phones , that that's kind of what led us on to comparing T_V_ remote controls with with their design features , um , chain companies like Carphone Warehouse , you can pop in anytime with a phone that you bought for them w if you've got any problems with it and they'll fix it ,

they'll phone the company , you can use their telephones.


they'll phone the company , you can use their telephones.

Is it worthwhile with with our retail outlets having a a similar um kind of service so that if older users were deterred from buying this , if they know they can just pop into one of our high street outlets , th you know , which button is it I press for this ? Th as free as a free aspect of our service , would that not make it more attractive to them ?


Is it worthwhile with with our retail outlets having a a similar um kind of service so that if older users were deterred from buying this , if they know they can just pop into one of our high street outlets , th you know , which button is it I press for this ? Th as free as a free aspect of our service , would that not make it more attractive to them ?

But the only problem is that with a mobile phone you signed for a contract so they um  the companies who uh who you deal with have actually  they've they've got an obligation to to help you out


But the only problem is that with a mobile phone you signed for a contract so they um  the companies who uh who you deal with have actually  they've they've got an obligation to to help you out

and also  I mean it's it's fair enough to have some sort of help service but I I'm not sure how much the cost would be of having


and also  I mean it's it's fair enough to have some sort of help service but I I'm not sure how much the cost would be of having

The functionality of it in the sense that you're sitting there , you're pressing this button and your T_V_'s not doing it. Taking your T_V_ and your control and saying look this is what I'm doing , it's not working , what should I do ?


The functionality of it in the sense that you're sitting there , you're pressing this button and your T_V_'s not doing it. Taking your T_V_ and your control and saying look this is what I'm doing , it's not working , what should I do ?

If it was something as simple as you couldn't change the channel ,


The functionality of it in the sense that you're sitting there , you're pressing this button and your T_V_'s not doing it. Taking your T_V_ and your control and saying look this is what I'm doing , it's not working , what should I do ?

If it was something as simple as you couldn't change the channel ,

but I mean for  if there were any more  or are we absolutely definite it's only gonna be for T_V_ and video ,


If it was something as simple as you couldn't change the channel ,

but I mean for  if there were any more  or are we absolutely definite it's only gonna be for T_V_ and video ,


but I mean for  if there were any more  or are we absolutely definite it's only gonna be for T_V_ and video ,

we're not gonna put any   okay , just a thought.


we're not gonna put any   okay , just a thought.


we're not gonna put any   okay , just a thought.

I mean instru instruction books I feel c I reckon can cover that.


we're not gonna put any   okay , just a thought.

I mean instru instruction books I feel c I reckon can cover that.

Instruction manuals. But I mean they're  there's customer service ,


I mean instru instruction books I feel c I reckon can cover that.

Instruction manuals. But I mean they're  there's customer service ,


I mean instru instruction books I feel c I reckon can cover that.

Instruction manuals. But I mean they're  there's customer service ,

there will be a customer service number thing that you can phone up and speak to


Instruction manuals. But I mean they're  there's customer service ,

there will be a customer service number thing that you can phone up and speak to


there will be a customer service number thing that you can phone up and speak to


there will be a customer service number thing that you can phone up and speak to

and that way there's no call out charge , there's no extra , t the person has to walk to a shop on the high street , um.


and that way there's no call out charge , there's no extra , t the person has to walk to a shop on the high street , um.


I think it will be too much of an effort for a person to  for a phone maybe he might walk down the street ,


I think it will be too much of an effort for a person to  for a phone maybe he might walk down the street ,

but for a remote he will just refer to the manual and all that.


but for a remote he will just refer to the manual and all that.


Mm. But we should focus on making the manual as user-friendly as possible


Mm. But we should focus on making the manual as user-friendly as possible

because a lot of them are just tiny little writing and lots and lots of pages.


because a lot of them are just tiny little writing and lots and lots of pages.


Puts people off reading them so they just do the obvious , yes.


Puts people off reading them so they just do the obvious , yes.

you just put it in the drawer until something goes wrong


you just put it in the drawer until something goes wrong


you just put it in the drawer until something goes wrong

and then you try and search through it , so that should be something we think about.


and then you try and search through it , so that should be something we think about.


and then you try and search through it , so that should be something we think about.

Um , what other functions ? We need  I'm not sure if we need a design um decision now , but we should think about  c 'cause you've got the dilemma between  oh batteries , that's what I was thinking about. Mobile phone batteries , what kinda battery is that ?


Um , what other functions ? We need  I'm not sure if we need a design um decision now , but we should think about  c 'cause you've got the dilemma between  oh batteries , that's what I was thinking about. Mobile phone batteries , what kinda battery is that ?

Um they're they're specially made for the for the mobile phones , but they come with a charger , I mean you could you could bundle a charger in with it but


Um , what other functions ? We need  I'm not sure if we need a design um decision now , but we should think about  c 'cause you've got the dilemma between  oh batteries , that's what I was thinking about. Mobile phone batteries , what kinda battery is that ?

Um they're they're specially made for the for the mobile phones , but they come with a charger , I mean you could you could bundle a charger in with it but

Well they la they they last quite a long time ,


Um they're they're specially made for the for the mobile phones , but they come with a charger , I mean you could you could bundle a charger in with it but

Well they la they they last quite a long time ,

and if you had uh  when you  th the thing that you get with mobile house phones , you sit it in its charger when you're not using it or t at night or something ,


Well they la they they last quite a long time ,

and if you had uh  when you  th the thing that you get with mobile house phones , you sit it in its charger when you're not using it or t at night or something ,


and if you had uh  when you  th the thing that you get with mobile house phones , you sit it in its charger when you're not using it or t at night or something ,


but it doesn't really matter 'cause it never really runs out 'cause it lasts a long time once it is charged.


but it doesn't really matter 'cause it never really runs out 'cause it lasts a long time once it is charged.

Um , something like that should reduce the size of it.


but it doesn't really matter 'cause it never really runs out 'cause it lasts a long time once it is charged.

Um , something like that should reduce the size of it.

Yeah and if  yeah if you if you had if you had one of those  uh just coming back to your other point about pressing the button and setting off the bleeper in the room that could uh


Um , something like that should reduce the size of it.

Yeah and if  yeah if you if you had if you had one of those  uh just coming back to your other point about pressing the button and setting off the bleeper in the room that could uh


Yeah and if  yeah if you if you had if you had one of those  uh just coming back to your other point about pressing the button and setting off the bleeper in the room that could uh

So are we talking of a concept of a rechargeable something on the remote ?


So are we talking of a concept of a rechargeable something on the remote ?


So the rechargeable which would be your field.


So the rechargeable which would be your field.

and also that would mean they wouldn't have to go out buying batteries all the time.


and also that would mean they wouldn't have to go out buying batteries all the time.


which it is cheaper in the long run as well.


which it is cheaper in the long run as well.

Um , th the shape you got trendy. I don't wanna big box with lots of things , you don't want a tiny sort of little thing either ,


Um , th the shape you got trendy. I don't wanna big box with lots of things , you don't want a tiny sort of little thing either ,


Um , th the shape you got trendy. I don't wanna big box with lots of things , you don't want a tiny sort of little thing either ,

because then you have got the repetitive strain injury no matter how many   how much you try and make it simple ,


because then you have got the repetitive strain injury no matter how many   how much you try and make it simple ,


because then you have got the repetitive strain injury no matter how many   how much you try and make it simple ,

And we don't w I mean so many remote controls look absolutely identical ,


And we don't w I mean so many remote controls look absolutely identical ,


And we don't w I mean so many remote controls look absolutely identical ,

these long , brown things with the same coloured buttons all crammed in on the s the surface. We definitely  an ob an obvious thing , a very simple thing is to get away from these brown rectangles , we don't want that.


these long , brown things with the same coloured buttons all crammed in on the s the surface. We definitely  an ob an obvious thing , a very simple thing is to get away from these brown rectangles , we don't want that.


What I was thinking of a design which Nokia h uh came up with almost six or seven years back. Basically we have a flat one it it looks like a box , like a chocolate.


What I was thinking of a design which Nokia h uh came up with almost six or seven years back. Basically we have a flat one it it looks like a box , like a chocolate.

That's very strenuous because your thumb is slightly up , so they came up with something like this , curled up , so here ,


That's very strenuous because your thumb is slightly up , so they came up with something like this , curled up , so here ,

and you don't have to  you don't bend your thumb too much , so it's like uh you can say a banana shape kind of thing , curled up like a boat.


and you don't have to  you don't bend your thumb too much , so it's like uh you can say a banana shape kind of thing , curled up like a boat.


G uh so what happens is you don't have to press your thumb too down like. So it's already curled up so your thumb doesn't


G uh so what happens is you don't have to press your thumb too down like. So it's already curled up so your thumb doesn't

'Cause it's kind of moulded to your hand anyway.


G uh so what happens is you don't have to press your thumb too down like. So it's already curled up so your thumb doesn't

'Cause it's kind of moulded to your hand anyway.

y yeah so we can have a s like you know moulded according to your


'Cause it's kind of moulded to your hand anyway.

y yeah so we can have a s like you know moulded according to your


'Cause it's kind of moulded to your hand anyway.

y yeah so we can have a s like you know moulded according to your

the way you h hold of  it's kind of semi-circular in the bottom , something like that.


y yeah so we can have a s like you know moulded according to your

the way you h hold of  it's kind of semi-circular in the bottom , something like that.


the way you h hold of  it's kind of semi-circular in the bottom , something like that.


the way you h hold of  it's kind of semi-circular in the bottom , something like that.

I wouldn't say exactly semi-circular but yeah smooth.


I wouldn't say exactly semi-circular but yeah smooth.

Can you look into the company logo ? Um , things that are associated with the company in view to trying to incorporate that into the design of the product.


I wouldn't say exactly semi-circular but yeah smooth.

Can you look into the company logo ? Um , things that are associated with the company in view to trying to incorporate that into the design of the product.

I mean for example , if it was a C_ or something like that , you could have it in a vague C_ shape that opens up kind of like a shell , or something ,


Can you look into the company logo ? Um , things that are associated with the company in view to trying to incorporate that into the design of the product.

I mean for example , if it was a C_ or something like that , you could have it in a vague C_ shape that opens up kind of like a shell , or something ,


I mean for example , if it was a C_ or something like that , you could have it in a vague C_ shape that opens up kind of like a shell , or something ,

um something along those lines to be able to incorporate it quite um obviously into the design ,


I mean for example , if it was a C_ or something like that , you could have it in a vague C_ shape that opens up kind of like a shell , or something ,

um something along those lines to be able to incorporate it quite um obviously into the design ,

while also making it quite different from anything else that's there.


um something along those lines to be able to incorporate it quite um obviously into the design ,

while also making it quite different from anything else that's there.

We could look in at that but  Mm. What we were talking is to make it more rather than like sea-shells ,


while also making it quite different from anything else that's there.

We could look in at that but  Mm. What we were talking is to make it more rather than like sea-shells ,

logo could become as  you could put a logo in the corner of uh the model , rather than you know , trying to make it like a sea shell or whatever you were ta telling like.


We could look in at that but  Mm. What we were talking is to make it more rather than like sea-shells ,

logo could become as  you could put a logo in the corner of uh the model , rather than you know , trying to make it like a sea shell or whatever you were ta telling like.

Well we need to think about how it's gonna look different.


logo could become as  you could put a logo in the corner of uh the model , rather than you know , trying to make it like a sea shell or whatever you were ta telling like.

Well we need to think about how it's gonna look different.

I think that's   that sounds a really attractive idea ,


Well we need to think about how it's gonna look different.

I think that's   that sounds a really attractive idea ,

I've not come across anything like that before , if it kind of  yeah and that opens out into your flip-top.


I think that's   that sounds a really attractive idea ,

I've not come across anything like that before , if it kind of  yeah and that opens out into your flip-top.


I've not come across anything like that before , if it kind of  yeah and that opens out into your flip-top.

Then it's nice t to h you can make it lightweight plastic , nice to hold in the palm of the hand and just because you're having to actually insert in between the two covers , that's gonna take care of some of the repetitive strain injury trying p prevent a lot of that I would think. I think it's a really nice idea


Then it's nice t to h you can make it lightweight plastic , nice to hold in the palm of the hand and just because you're having to actually insert in between the two covers , that's gonna take care of some of the repetitive strain injury trying p prevent a lot of that I would think. I think it's a really nice idea

and plus you can get   you know even though we're using plastic , you can still  I mean think of the designs you can get in plastic , we can do a nice conch shell or scallop shell exterior.


Then it's nice t to h you can make it lightweight plastic , nice to hold in the palm of the hand and just because you're having to actually insert in between the two covers , that's gonna take care of some of the repetitive strain injury trying p prevent a lot of that I would think. I think it's a really nice idea

and plus you can get   you know even though we're using plastic , you can still  I mean think of the designs you can get in plastic , we can do a nice conch shell or scallop shell exterior.

Or you could do um different , like you get with mobile phones , different fascias. You could have different kind of casings.


and plus you can get   you know even though we're using plastic , you can still  I mean think of the designs you can get in plastic , we can do a nice conch shell or scallop shell exterior.

Or you could do um different , like you get with mobile phones , different fascias. You could have different kind of casings.


Or you could do um different , like you get with mobile phones , different fascias. You could have different kind of casings.

So you could have like psychedelic ones for younger people and sleek ones and


So you could have like psychedelic ones for younger people and sleek ones and

Yeah. Mm-hmm. Less chance of it being lost too , it's not like a chocolate brown lozenge that's gonna go down the sofa


So you could have like psychedelic ones for younger people and sleek ones and

Yeah. Mm-hmm. Less chance of it being lost too , it's not like a chocolate brown lozenge that's gonna go down the sofa

and people might want to put it on their mantelpiece or whatever as a ki if it looks attractive enough as a kind of ornament they don't  not gonna lose it so much  either. It's easier to  bit nice to handle.


Yeah. Mm-hmm. Less chance of it being lost too , it's not like a chocolate brown lozenge that's gonna go down the sofa

and people might want to put it on their mantelpiece or whatever as a ki if it looks attractive enough as a kind of ornament they don't  not gonna lose it so much  either. It's easier to  bit nice to handle.


and people might want to put it on their mantelpiece or whatever as a ki if it looks attractive enough as a kind of ornament they don't  not gonna lose it so much  either. It's easier to  bit nice to handle.

Yeah maybe we could come at some say five , six des designs and then choose which are  whichever appeals the most like ,


Yeah maybe we could come at some say five , six des designs and then choose which are  whichever appeals the most like ,


But we can like think of five , six designs.


But we can like think of five , six designs.

Okay. Right , I think we have to round it up , um


But we can like think of five , six designs.

Okay. Right , I think we have to round it up , um

Can I just quickly um go over the new project requirements so that I haven't missed anything.


Okay. Right , I think we have to round it up , um

Can I just quickly um go over the new project requirements so that I haven't missed anything.

So it's no teletext , it's only for T_V_ and by implication video ,


Can I just quickly um go over the new project requirements so that I haven't missed anything.

So it's no teletext , it's only for T_V_ and by implication video ,


So it's no teletext , it's only for T_V_ and by implication video ,

our corporate image should be incorporated in the remote control , um something about Videoplus.


So it's no teletext , it's only for T_V_ and by implication video ,

our corporate image should be incorporated in the remote control , um something about Videoplus.

That was um in cutting down the number  that was kinda separate that was cutting down the number of functions , making it simpler so instead of having lots of things you put in for date


our corporate image should be incorporated in the remote control , um something about Videoplus.

That was um in cutting down the number  that was kinda separate that was cutting down the number of functions , making it simpler so instead of having lots of things you put in for date

Right. Right. Right , so when they press for programming you  it comes up on the L_C_D_ , a reminder about using Videoplus ? So that they have a look at the guide and  Or was  is this nothing to do with the project requirements , is this just  that was an add-on feature ?


our corporate image should be incorporated in the remote control , um something about Videoplus.

That was um in cutting down the number  that was kinda separate that was cutting down the number of functions , making it simpler so instead of having lots of things you put in for date

Right. Right. Right , so when they press for programming you  it comes up on the L_C_D_ , a reminder about using Videoplus ? So that they have a look at the guide and  Or was  is this nothing to do with the project requirements , is this just  that was an add-on feature ?

It's  kinda takes the place of having a button to press for the date and having the button to press for the channel , things like that.


That was um in cutting down the number  that was kinda separate that was cutting down the number of functions , making it simpler so instead of having lots of things you put in for date

Right. Right. Right , so when they press for programming you  it comes up on the L_C_D_ , a reminder about using Videoplus ? So that they have a look at the guide and  Or was  is this nothing to do with the project requirements , is this just  that was an add-on feature ?

It's  kinda takes the place of having a button to press for the date and having the button to press for the channel , things like that.

Uh-huh. Right. Right , so it's kind of doing away with the programming feature ?


Right. Right. Right , so when they press for programming you  it comes up on the L_C_D_ , a reminder about using Videoplus ? So that they have a look at the guide and  Or was  is this nothing to do with the project requirements , is this just  that was an add-on feature ?

It's  kinda takes the place of having a button to press for the date and having the button to press for the channel , things like that.

Uh-huh. Right. Right , so it's kind of doing away with the programming feature ?


It's  kinda takes the place of having a button to press for the date and having the button to press for the channel , things like that.

Uh-huh. Right. Right , so it's kind of doing away with the programming feature ?


Uh-huh. Right. Right , so it's kind of doing away with the programming feature ?

it could be uh adv advertisement feature , um rather than design feature ,


it could be uh adv advertisement feature , um rather than design feature ,


it could be uh adv advertisement feature , um rather than design feature ,

you know , drawing attention to that. And it also paid um lip service in the instruction manual , 'cause it's very simple so putting it down in words should be helpful.


you know , drawing attention to that. And it also paid um lip service in the instruction manual , 'cause it's very simple so putting it down in words should be helpful.


you know , drawing attention to that. And it also paid um lip service in the instruction manual , 'cause it's very simple so putting it down in words should be helpful.

Was there anything else there that we  in the new new project requirements ?


Was there anything else there that we  in the new new project requirements ?


Was there anything else there that we  in the new new project requirements ?

We've got the buttons but I think we'll work through that with the design of it , um.


We've got the buttons but I think we'll work through that with the design of it , um.


We've got the buttons but I think we'll work through that with the design of it , um.

Mm-hmm. That's not at the moment a requirement , it's something we're looking at ,


Mm-hmm. That's not at the moment a requirement , it's something we're looking at ,

what preference  so it may come round to market research at some point to see what people would like.


Mm-hmm. That's not at the moment a requirement , it's something we're looking at ,

what preference  so it may come round to market research at some point to see what people would like.

And we've talked about um there being an alarm or something , a beeping for being lost , um.


what preference  so it may come round to market research at some point to see what people would like.

And we've talked about um there being an alarm or something , a beeping for being lost , um.


And we've talked about um there being an alarm or something , a beeping for being lost , um.

Learning how to use it should be as simple as possible. But there aren't gonna be that func that many functions incorporated into it so it should be fine and the  I  the instruction manual , I don't know if we deal with that , um. I think


Learning how to use it should be as simple as possible. But there aren't gonna be that func that many functions incorporated into it so it should be fine and the  I  the instruction manual , I don't know if we deal with that , um. I think


and different from what's out there. Yep , I think that's us.


and different from what's out there. Yep , I think that's us.

What would you specifically like marketing to look at before the next meeting ?


What would you specifically like marketing to look at before the next meeting ?


What would you specifically like marketing to look at before the next meeting ?

Or shall I just sort of generally look at all the issues involved ?


What would you specifically like marketing to look at before the next meeting ?

Or shall I just sort of generally look at all the issues involved ?

I think you might get guidance , but um I th Instruction manuals , 'cause there tends to be a demonised thing ,


Or shall I just sort of generally look at all the issues involved ?

I think you might get guidance , but um I th Instruction manuals , 'cause there tends to be a demonised thing ,


Or shall I just sort of generally look at all the issues involved ?

I think you might get guidance , but um I th Instruction manuals , 'cause there tends to be a demonised thing ,

u um , they're  everyone's got like a big pile of them , but no one really uses them.


I think you might get guidance , but um I th Instruction manuals , 'cause there tends to be a demonised thing ,

u um , they're  everyone's got like a big pile of them , but no one really uses them.


u um , they're  everyone's got like a big pile of them , but no one really uses them.


We have a slight problem.  I opened uh the C_D_ ROM box uh guys.


Well , during my work I have no time either.


Yeah , I opened the C_D_ ROM box.  Accidentally.


Yeah , I opened the C_D_ ROM box.  Accidentally.

Okay. Okay. People , welcome back with the second meeting.


Yeah , I opened the C_D_ ROM box.  Accidentally.

Okay. Okay. People , welcome back with the second meeting.

Um for now on the schedule are a few points. Uh first of all the opening , which we are doing now. Um second , I received um some new project requirements. I'm not sure if you received them as well , um but I will tell you about it.


Okay. Okay. People , welcome back with the second meeting.

Um for now on the schedule are a few points. Uh first of all the opening , which we are doing now. Um second , I received um some new project requirements. I'm not sure if you received them as well , um but I will tell you about it.


Um for now on the schedule are a few points. Uh first of all the opening , which we are doing now. Um second , I received um some new project requirements. I'm not sure if you received them as well , um but I will tell you about it.

Um then um the three of you uh prepared a presentation , I think ? Sebastian ?


Um then um the three of you uh prepared a presentation , I think ? Sebastian ?


Then we'll do your one uh uh as la uh the last. Um the top goal of this m


Then we'll do your one uh uh as la uh the last. Um the top goal of this m

But you can't upload your presentation from here , I believe.


Then we'll do your one uh uh as la uh the last. Um the top goal of this m

But you can't upload your presentation from here , I believe.

Um we will figure that out. Ca  can you try to


But you can't upload your presentation from here , I believe.

Um we will figure that out. Ca  can you try to

Uh if it if it if it's wireless I could just uh put it in the .


Um we will figure that out. Ca  can you try to

Uh if it if it if it's wireless I could just uh put it in the .


Uh if it if it if it's wireless I could just uh put it in the .


Um the top goal of this meeting is to reach a decision on the product , on the target group um and and the functions of the remote control , so keep that in mind. Um  we have forty minutes. So it's now  Yep. Okay. Um the new project requirements , first of all , um we didn't speak about it , but we should not um support teletext in the remote , um because our b um board uh feels that uh teletext is out of date and internet is replacing teletext. So um we are not even going to try to um implement it in our product.  It's a board decision. Um the remote control should only be used for television , because it's not uh f uh feasible , it's not uh w


Um the top goal of this meeting is to reach a decision on the product , on the target group um and and the functions of the remote control , so keep that in mind. Um  we have forty minutes. So it's now  Yep. Okay. Um the new project requirements , first of all , um we didn't speak about it , but we should not um support teletext in the remote , um because our b um board uh feels that uh teletext is out of date and internet is replacing teletext. So um we are not even going to try to um implement it in our product.  It's a board decision. Um the remote control should only be used for television , because it's not uh f uh feasible , it's not uh w

uh uh  we we cannot make it because of the time to market um that we have to deal with.


uh uh  we we cannot make it because of the time to market um that we have to deal with.

Uh the third requirement is that we should focus on customers that are younger than uh forty ,  which is important for you , uh Ruud , and as well for uh Roo. Because the product should um be uh interesting and and uh should be bought by people younger than forty. Um  then for Roo , as well uh important , the corporate image should be recognisable in our product. So the colour colours and the slogan um do have to be uh in the product.


Uh the third requirement is that we should focus on customers that are younger than uh forty ,  which is important for you , uh Ruud , and as well for uh Roo. Because the product should um be uh interesting and and uh should be bought by people younger than forty. Um  then for Roo , as well uh important , the corporate image should be recognisable in our product. So the colour colours and the slogan um do have to be uh in the product.

Is that clear ? Any questions on these requirements ? No ?  Okay. Um the individual presentations , I th um Roo or Sebastian , who of you would like to start ?


Is that clear ? Any questions on these requirements ? No ?  Okay. Um the individual presentations , I th um Roo or Sebastian , who of you would like to start ?


Um  Oh , how can I uh  Geez , and sli and show. Um  Just uh press it.


Um  Oh , how can I uh  Geez , and sli and show. Um  Just uh press it.

Uh yes. Alright. Um well w we uh we had discussed this already in the fin in the previous uh discussion.  Uh the method of the remote control is just  the function of remote control is basically to send messages to the television set. So that was the main uh important thing what a remote control should do.


Um  Oh , how can I uh  Geez , and sli and show. Um  Just uh press it.

Uh yes. Alright. Um well w we uh we had discussed this already in the fin in the previous uh discussion.  Uh the method of the remote control is just  the function of remote control is basically to send messages to the television set. So that was the main uh important thing what a remote control should do.

Then I found uh two different kind of remote controls , the multi-function uh remote control with many possibilities , but um the lack of the feeling I already mentioned uh in the previous uh discussion.


Uh yes. Alright. Um well w we uh we had discussed this already in the fin in the previous uh discussion.  Uh the method of the remote control is just  the function of remote control is basically to send messages to the television set. So that was the main uh important thing what a remote control should do.

Then I found uh two different kind of remote controls , the multi-function uh remote control with many possibilities , but um the lack of the feeling I already mentioned uh in the previous uh discussion.


Then I found uh two different kind of remote controls , the multi-function uh remote control with many possibilities , but um the lack of the feeling I already mentioned uh in the previous uh discussion.

And the ease-of-use remote control with uh the less p possibilities but a great feeling in in touching the buttons.


And the ease-of-use remote control with uh the less p possibilities but a great feeling in in touching the buttons.

Um but um  yeah. My personal preferences were ease of uh  the easy to use remote control , because uh the user-friendliness and uh  it can be more trendy in in user design. But um your new goal f was for uh people than  less than forty years old.


Um but um  yeah. My personal preferences were ease of uh  the easy to use remote control , because uh the user-friendliness and uh  it can be more trendy in in user design. But um your new goal f was for uh people than  less than forty years old.

So maybe um the multi-function can be implemented in uh in our design. But it should b I think it should be a combination , but teletext buttons are not uh in our design. So it should uh take out , well , eight buttons or so. But my  in  my opinion , the the easy to use R_C_ is uh the best uh possi possibility for us.


So maybe um the multi-function can be implemented in uh in our design. But it should b I think it should be a combination , but teletext buttons are not uh in our design. So it should uh take out , well , eight buttons or so. But my  in  my opinion , the the easy to use R_C_ is uh the best uh possi possibility for us.


And it's also i indeed uh uh Ruud's uh insight in the in the topic.


And it's also i indeed uh uh Ruud's uh insight in the in the topic.

Yeah , what what does the market want ? I I don't know.


Yeah , what what does the market want ? I I don't know.


Yeah , what what does the market want ? I I don't know.

Just for uh for user desi uh user uh friendliness I uh should choose for the the ease of use remote control.


Just for uh for user desi uh user uh friendliness I uh should choose for the the ease of use remote control.


Um  Okay , it's still the right thing. Okay. Um well , there are some changes in the design requirements , so there are some changes in the method also.


Um  Okay , it's still the right thing. Okay. Um well , there are some changes in the design requirements , so there are some changes in the method also.

Um basically all this device has to do is send messages to a T_V_ set. And the m most easy way to do this is by uh sending pulses of infrared light to a T_V_ set. Well , I th I tried to uh implement a picture here ,


Um  Okay , it's still the right thing. Okay. Um well , there are some changes in the design requirements , so there are some changes in the method also.

Um basically all this device has to do is send messages to a T_V_ set. And the m most easy way to do this is by uh sending pulses of infrared light to a T_V_ set. Well , I th I tried to uh implement a picture here ,

but it's hardly readable. Can you see it ?


Um basically all this device has to do is send messages to a T_V_ set. And the m most easy way to do this is by uh sending pulses of infrared light to a T_V_ set. Well , I th I tried to uh implement a picture here ,

but it's hardly readable. Can you see it ?


but it's hardly readable. Can you see it ?

No ? Well  Um , there's a energy source here.  And um basically there  it's connected to three things. The user interface connected to a chip , which is connected to the sender , which generates messages using uh infrared light , which are sent to the receiver. That's basically the idea. And there's a little picture , just for your imagination , how a device like this should look or can look.  Okay. Um what have I found. Usually these kind of things consist of a battery , infrared diode , buttons , chips , and circuit board. That's all. It's cased together , nothing more than that.  It's almost every piece of equipment um every piece of uh every T_V_ set is controlled infrared.


No ? Well  Um , there's a energy source here.  And um basically there  it's connected to three things. The user interface connected to a chip , which is connected to the sender , which generates messages using uh infrared light , which are sent to the receiver. That's basically the idea. And there's a little picture , just for your imagination , how a device like this should look or can look.  Okay. Um what have I found. Usually these kind of things consist of a battery , infrared diode , buttons , chips , and circuit board. That's all. It's cased together , nothing more than that.  It's almost every piece of equipment um every piece of uh every T_V_ set is controlled infrared.

There are some exceptions , but most of all have uh infrared controls. And uh the more luxury uh remote controls have lithium buttons. And I think that's what we w


No ? Well  Um , there's a energy source here.  And um basically there  it's connected to three things. The user interface connected to a chip , which is connected to the sender , which generates messages using uh infrared light , which are sent to the receiver. That's basically the idea. And there's a little picture , just for your imagination , how a device like this should look or can look.  Okay. Um what have I found. Usually these kind of things consist of a battery , infrared diode , buttons , chips , and circuit board. That's all. It's cased together , nothing more than that.  It's almost every piece of equipment um every piece of uh every T_V_ set is controlled infrared.

There are some exceptions , but most of all have uh infrared controls. And uh the more luxury uh remote controls have lithium buttons. And I think that's what we w

The glow in the dark uh concept uh we discussed.


There are some exceptions , but most of all have uh infrared controls. And uh the more luxury uh remote controls have lithium buttons. And I think that's what we w

The glow in the dark uh concept uh we discussed.

yes. In the  and it's a little more  a little bit more fancy also. So maybe we should consider that.


The glow in the dark uh concept uh we discussed.

yes. In the  and it's a little more  a little bit more fancy also. So maybe we should consider that.

Okay. I have a basic scheme of the things uh which are implemented. Um basically this is all there is. There's just one chip. There are a few buttons connected. Uh the buttons are lit. And the whole thing is transmitted by a infrared li diode , and there is not a power source here.  So that's basically the total design of this piece of equipment.


yes. In the  and it's a little more  a little bit more fancy also. So maybe we should consider that.

Okay. I have a basic scheme of the things uh which are implemented. Um basically this is all there is. There's just one chip. There are a few buttons connected. Uh the buttons are lit. And the whole thing is transmitted by a infrared li diode , and there is not a power source here.  So that's basically the total design of this piece of equipment.


Okay. I have a basic scheme of the things uh which are implemented. Um basically this is all there is. There's just one chip. There are a few buttons connected. Uh the buttons are lit. And the whole thing is transmitted by a infrared li diode , and there is not a power source here.  So that's basically the total design of this piece of equipment.

There's nothing more to it. It's fairly easy. It's been done many times before ,


There's nothing more to it. It's fairly easy. It's been done many times before ,


There's nothing more to it. It's fairly easy. It's been done many times before ,

and I think we should uh we should c s succeed in in our plan to do this.


and I think we should uh we should c s succeed in in our plan to do this.


personally I think we should infra use infrared , because uh otherwise our device cannot uh communicate with uh almost every T_V_ set. So I think that uh should be clear.


personally I think we should infra use infrared , because uh otherwise our device cannot uh communicate with uh almost every T_V_ set. So I think that uh should be clear.

Uh another important point is uh we really should use uh energy uh sparse , friendly components. Uh there are specially uh designed um energy-friendly components which consume uh far less power than uh conventional components. And um if we want to use uh a rechargeable design or uh a energy-save design , we should really implement them.  Um for cost-effectiveness , we should really use a very low-cost uh circuit board , um because most of the production cost are are in this uh part of the equipment.


Uh another important point is uh we really should use uh energy uh sparse , friendly components. Uh there are specially uh designed um energy-friendly components which consume uh far less power than uh conventional components. And um if we want to use uh a rechargeable design or uh a energy-save design , we should really implement them.  Um for cost-effectiveness , we should really use a very low-cost uh circuit board , um because most of the production cost are are in this uh part of the equipment.

And um the money we save on using this we can use uh for elaborate fancy lighting uh techniques , blinking LEDs and all that kind of fancy stuff.


And um the money we save on using this we can use uh for elaborate fancy lighting uh techniques , blinking LEDs and all that kind of fancy stuff.

I think our uh users will really uh will really like that.


And um the money we save on using this we can use uh for elaborate fancy lighting uh techniques , blinking LEDs and all that kind of fancy stuff.

I think our uh users will really uh will really like that.

if we use the LEDs , i does it use much more energy or


I think our uh users will really uh will really like that.

if we use the LEDs , i does it use much more energy or

No , they're p f uh power friendly LEDs also.


if we use the LEDs , i does it use much more energy or

No , they're p f uh power friendly LEDs also.

So we can use them. So that's no problem.


No , they're p f uh power friendly LEDs also.

So we can use them. So that's no problem.

For the same costs , it's can be uh in our


So we can use them. So that's no problem.

For the same costs , it's can be uh in our

Uh no , they're uh they're a little bit more expensive , but by uh um um making


So we can use them. So that's no problem.

For the same costs , it's can be uh in our

Uh no , they're uh they're a little bit more expensive , but by uh um um making

Combined with the low-cost circuit board so it's uh


For the same costs , it's can be uh in our

Uh no , they're uh they're a little bit more expensive , but by uh um um making

Combined with the low-cost circuit board so it's uh


Uh no , they're uh they're a little bit more expensive , but by uh um um making

Combined with the low-cost circuit board so it's uh

Well you could only lit uh the buttons  the buttons that are used most. So , the channel switching.


Combined with the low-cost circuit board so it's uh

Well you could only lit uh the buttons  the buttons that are used most. So , the channel switching.


Well you could only lit uh the buttons  the buttons that are used most. So , the channel switching.


Well you could only lit uh the buttons  the buttons that are used most. So , the channel switching.

Yeah , but but the question is whether um two or four buttons makes uh m makes such a difference in the costs if you already plan to uh include fancy lightning techniques , I guess.


Yeah , but but the question is whether um two or four buttons makes uh m makes such a difference in the costs if you already plan to uh include fancy lightning techniques , I guess.


Yeah , I think it's the same as in the cell phone , just light in in the device that that shines on all the buttons ,


Yeah , I think it's the same as in the cell phone , just light in in the device that that shines on all the buttons ,

Yes. Well , it's not one light , it  there are more lights in a in a in a mobile device.


Yes. Well , it's not one light , it  there are more lights in a in a in a mobile device.

Yeah , but not for each button one LED , I think.


Yes. Well , it's not one light , it  there are more lights in a in a in a mobile device.

Yeah , but not for each button one LED , I think.

No no no , no. That's right , that's right.


Yeah , but not for each button one LED , I think.

No no no , no. That's right , that's right.


No no no , no. That's right , that's right.


we ar we are very curio curious to what the market um will feel about such a product.


we ar we are very curio curious to what the market um will feel about such a product.

Okay , make  Well  Uh then I'm sure the target market is uh ten million units. Of   of which we should sell about uh forty percent to make the five million.


Okay , make  Well  Uh then I'm sure the target market is uh ten million units. Of   of which we should sell about uh forty percent to make the five million.


Okay , make  Well  Uh then I'm sure the target market is uh ten million units. Of   of which we should sell about uh forty percent to make the five million.

Could you step a little bit more to the right ?  Yeah , thank you.


Okay , make  Well  Uh then I'm sure the target market is uh ten million units. Of   of which we should sell about uh forty percent to make the five million.

Could you step a little bit more to the right ?  Yeah , thank you.

But um since uh the other part is uh forty percent of the market , I uh thought earlier we might want to constrain that portion of the market. But uh since uh the requirements changed , that's uh not a good idea.


Could you step a little bit more to the right ?  Yeah , thank you.

But um since uh the other part is uh forty percent of the market , I uh thought earlier we might want to constrain that portion of the market. But uh since uh the requirements changed , that's uh not a good idea.


But um since uh the other part is uh forty percent of the market , I uh thought earlier we might want to constrain that portion of the market. But uh since uh the requirements changed , that's uh not a good idea.

Well , it's  this till true , of course. That they only use ten percent the buttons. The buttons to zap are used the  about uh fifteen hundred times , when uh the power button is only used one time. And the volume button's only four times. So they're obv obviously uh the most important buttons. And uh lots of people complained they kin can't find their remote control.


Well , it's  this till true , of course. That they only use ten percent the buttons. The buttons to zap are used the  about uh fifteen hundred times , when uh the power button is only used one time. And the volume button's only four times. So they're obv obviously uh the most important buttons. And uh lots of people complained they kin can't find their remote control.


Well , it's  this till true , of course. That they only use ten percent the buttons. The buttons to zap are used the  about uh fifteen hundred times , when uh the power button is only used one time. And the volume button's only four times. So they're obv obviously uh the most important buttons. And uh lots of people complained they kin can't find their remote control.

So we might want to build in a feature to uh support them. Some uh audio signal. Like uh home phones.


So we might want to build in a feature to uh support them. Some uh audio signal. Like uh home phones.


It uh it separates our product from others uh as well.


Well , I just said that. And uh  well , this obvious , and he also said it.


Well , I just said that. And uh  well , this obvious , and he also said it.

Okay. So that's what the market tells us.


Okay. So that's what the market tells us.

The volume and uh the zap buttons are the mostly used.


The volume and uh the zap buttons are the mostly used.


The volume and uh the zap buttons are the mostly used.

Volume , they are  uh use a lot. But more than all the other buttons. So


Volume , they are  uh use a lot. But more than all the other buttons. So

Yeah , well it should just have a design  The perfect design for those  only those buttons. And first um


Volume , they are  uh use a lot. But more than all the other buttons. So

Yeah , well it should just have a design  The perfect design for those  only those buttons. And first um

Yes. Yes , we should focus on that , I guess.


Yeah , well it should just have a design  The perfect design for those  only those buttons. And first um

Yes. Yes , we should focus on that , I guess.


Yes. Yes , we should focus on that , I guess.

Well , the technical uh  there  I think there are no technical difficulties. There's no um elaborate technique uh used in this uh kind of equipment. So um I don't think we have any hiccups there. So we can fully concentrate on developing a product that is really um what the market needs. So maybe it's a good idea to think about these buttons and and uh and a sound signal.


Well , the technical uh  there  I think there are no technical difficulties. There's no um elaborate technique uh used in this uh kind of equipment. So um I don't think we have any hiccups there. So we can fully concentrate on developing a product that is really um what the market needs. So maybe it's a good idea to think about these buttons and and uh and a sound signal.

Yeah , the sound signal. Just one thing I'm just wondering ,  the sound signal , from where do you execute th the s sound ?


Yeah , the sound signal. Just one thing I'm just wondering ,  the sound signal , from where do you execute th the s sound ?

Yes.  Th that's a bit of  that's a problem.


Yes.  Th that's a bit of  that's a problem.


maybe maybe like clapping in your hands ,


maybe maybe like clapping in your hands ,

like um turning on and off the the the lights.


like um turning on and off the the the lights.

Yeah , but maybe you'll uh get some new technologies for it.


like um turning on and off the the the lights.

Yeah , but maybe you'll uh get some new technologies for it.

Yes. Well , there there are some devices who uh incorporate this technique already. Um there are video sets and um they have a special button , the find the remote control button. You press it and your T_V_ set starts to make a uh kind of weird sound , and your uh remote controls then start to beep.


Yeah , but maybe you'll uh get some new technologies for it.

Yes. Well , there there are some devices who uh incorporate this technique already. Um there are video sets and um they have a special button , the find the remote control button. You press it and your T_V_ set starts to make a uh kind of weird sound , and your uh remote controls then start to beep.


Yes. Well , there there are some devices who uh incorporate this technique already. Um there are video sets and um they have a special button , the find the remote control button. You press it and your T_V_ set starts to make a uh kind of weird sound , and your uh remote controls then start to beep.


But but T_V_s don't have all uh uh buttons. Uh


But but T_V_s don't have all uh uh buttons. Uh

No , so we we should use something else.


But but T_V_s don't have all uh uh buttons. Uh

No , so we we should use something else.

Yeah , because we do not have a a a a a home um


No , so we we should use something else.

Yeah , because we do not have a a a a a home um


Yeah , because we do not have a a a a a home um


And even if the T_V_ set would have such a button , uh you would have to walk to your T_V_ ,


And even if the T_V_ set would have such a button , uh you would have to walk to your T_V_ ,

Yes , m yes. S and we b we want  to make so it's   is easy as possible for our customers ,


Yes , m yes. S and we b we want  to make so it's   is easy as possible for our customers ,


So what about the clapping technique ? Um because you se


So what about the clapping technique ? Um because you se

I'm convinced uh Sebastian will uh find uh one solution for us.


So what about the clapping technique ? Um because you se

I'm convinced uh Sebastian will uh find uh one solution for us.

It's quite complicated. Well , it's quite complicated. Because how can you separate the clapping sound from other sounds.


I'm convinced uh Sebastian will uh find uh one solution for us.

It's quite complicated. Well , it's quite complicated. Because how can you separate the clapping sound from other sounds.

Well , you see it a lot in in light uh lightning uh uh


It's quite complicated. Well , it's quite complicated. Because how can you separate the clapping sound from other sounds.

Well , you see it a lot in in light uh lightning uh uh

Yes , yes. Well , basically the characteristics uh the characteristics of clapping is just an increase in the volume , the amplitude of the sound ,


Well , you see it a lot in in light uh lightning uh uh

Yes , yes. Well , basically the characteristics uh the characteristics of clapping is just an increase in the volume , the amplitude of the sound ,


Well , you see it a lot in in light uh lightning uh uh

Yes , yes. Well , basically the characteristics uh the characteristics of clapping is just an increase in the volume , the amplitude of the sound ,

which is uh generated a few times within a uh certain period of time.


Yes , yes. Well , basically the characteristics uh the characteristics of clapping is just an increase in the volume , the amplitude of the sound ,

which is uh generated a few times within a uh certain period of time.


which is uh generated a few times within a uh certain period of time.

But there are many other sounds uh which are exactly the same from the point of view from a remote control.


which is uh generated a few times within a uh certain period of time.

But there are many other sounds uh which are exactly the same from the point of view from a remote control.

So if if you'd be watching a movie , it would constantly beep.


But there are many other sounds uh which are exactly the same from the point of view from a remote control.

So if if you'd be watching a movie , it would constantly beep.


So if if you'd be watching a movie , it would constantly beep.

But we can have just uh uh a home stat uh f a base station next to the T_V_. Just a little antenna or uh something.


But we can have just uh uh a home stat uh f a base station next to the T_V_. Just a little antenna or uh something.


is there not something f something more easily


is there not something f something more easily

I don't think people would bother walking to the T_V_ and press that button because they lost the  their remote.


I don't think people would bother walking to the T_V_ and press that button because they lost the  their remote.

No , and y the the most important thing for people is that there's a central point to which they can go and uh b uh perform a a some kind of uh . And then uh the remote control uh reports itself ,


No , and y the the most important thing for people is that there's a central point to which they can go and uh b uh perform a a some kind of uh . And then uh the remote control uh reports itself ,


No , and y the the most important thing for people is that there's a central point to which they can go and uh b uh perform a a some kind of uh . And then uh the remote control uh reports itself ,

so w we should use have  uh we should use something like that. You do not want another device , which can be uh everywhere in the house , which you have to find first before you can find your remote control.


No , and y the the most important thing for people is that there's a central point to which they can go and uh b uh perform a a some kind of uh . And then uh the remote control uh reports itself ,

so w we should use have  uh we should use something like that. You do not want another device , which can be uh everywhere in the house , which you have to find first before you can find your remote control.

just a base station next to the T_V_ is the best possibility.


so w we should use have  uh we should use something like that. You do not want another device , which can be uh everywhere in the house , which you have to find first before you can find your remote control.

just a base station next to the T_V_ is the best possibility.

Yes , something like that. But that will be very costly , I think.


so w we should use have  uh we should use something like that. You do not want another device , which can be uh everywhere in the house , which you have to find first before you can find your remote control.

just a base station next to the T_V_ is the best possibility.

Yes , something like that. But that will be very costly , I think.

Yeah , m maybe um w we uh we do agree on on the thing that the remote should have such a function , if it's possible within the costs and all that kind of things.


just a base station next to the T_V_ is the best possibility.

Yes , something like that. But that will be very costly , I think.

Yeah , m maybe um w we uh we do agree on on the thing that the remote should have such a function , if it's possible within the costs and all that kind of things.


Yes , something like that. But that will be very costly , I think.

Yeah , m maybe um w we uh we do agree on on the thing that the remote should have such a function , if it's possible within the costs and all that kind of things.


Yeah , m maybe um w we uh we do agree on on the thing that the remote should have such a function , if it's possible within the costs and all that kind of things.

Um maybe Sebastian should have uh a detailed look later on and um come up with a solution ,


Um maybe Sebastian should have uh a detailed look later on and um come up with a solution ,


Um maybe Sebastian should have uh a detailed look later on and um come up with a solution ,

because that's his  his field of expertise.


because that's his  his field of expertise.

Yes. Yes. But um before I do that I w I want to warn you that uh by implementing this kind of a function the technical design will become more complicated


Yes. Yes. But um before I do that I w I want to warn you that uh by implementing this kind of a function the technical design will become more complicated


Because there will be additional components which which uh will be used. And there are some implepe imp


Because there will be additional components which which uh will be used. And there are some implepe imp

And do we even uh prefer the sound above the the LEDs , the lightning uh function ?


Because there will be additional components which which uh will be used. And there are some implepe imp

And do we even uh prefer the sound above the the LEDs , the lightning uh function ?

Well , I I think so , because um when you have a p newspaper over your remote control , you cannot see it.


And do we even uh prefer the sound above the the LEDs , the lightning uh function ?

Well , I I think so , because um when you have a p newspaper over your remote control , you cannot see it.

Yeah , it's a distinction in the market.


Well , I I think so , because um when you have a p newspaper over your remote control , you cannot see it.

Yeah , it's a distinction in the market.


Yeah , it's a distinction in the market.

It will be an  a unique feature of our remote control.


Yeah , it's a distinction in the market.

It will be an  a unique feature of our remote control.

It's a different  exactly. It's an uni an unique feature ,


It will be an  a unique feature of our remote control.

It's a different  exactly. It's an uni an unique feature ,


It's a different  exactly. It's an uni an unique feature ,

and um I think um it's worth um uh looking and and  probably more i interesting than uh than the lights.


and um I think um it's worth um uh looking and and  probably more i interesting than uh than the lights.

And just about uh the user interface , I came up with um  an easy remote control and an advanced remote control.


And just about uh the user interface , I came up with um  an easy remote control and an advanced remote control.

Yeah. Well , um according to Ruud , um people do not use um all the extra features very very often.


Yeah. Well , um according to Ruud , um people do not use um all the extra features very very often.


Yeah. Well , um according to Ruud , um people do not use um all the extra features very very often.

I have the numbers r I have the numbers right here.


I have the numbers r I have the numbers right here.


I have the numbers r I have the numbers right here.

Well , t uh we won't support teletext which which was the third-most  the second-most used function.


Well , t uh we won't support teletext which which was the third-most  the second-most used function.


Well , we we do have a wise board , so I'm not questioning that.


Well , we we do have a wise board , so I'm not questioning that.

Uh well  yeah , channel selection is obviously the most important.


Well , we we do have a wise board , so I'm not questioning that.

Uh well  yeah , channel selection is obviously the most important.

Yeah. Okay , so on the relevance scale uh the channel selection , the volume selection and the teletext.


Uh well  yeah , channel selection is obviously the most important.

Yeah. Okay , so on the relevance scale uh the channel selection , the volume selection and the teletext.


Yeah. Okay , so on the relevance scale uh the channel selection , the volume selection and the teletext.


Well , so it just th the basic functions. And we don't have to use it for D_V_D_ players uh and all kind of stuff.


Yeah. Just through uh the easy uh design. We can make uh a nice design when when there's not mu uh much buttons in it.


Yeah. Just through uh the easy uh design. We can make uh a nice design when when there's not mu uh much buttons in it.

Uh uh uh I think we should go for the easier one.


Uh uh uh I think we should go for the easier one.


we should save costs uh by not implementing a lot of functions and uh the money that we can save from that we should use for uh having a nice design and uh thinking about the user interface


we should save costs uh by not implementing a lot of functions and uh the money that we can save from that we should use for uh having a nice design and uh thinking about the user interface

Ruud , how do you feel about that ? Uh do you agree , do you think the market would would respond to uh a simple


Ruud , how do you feel about that ? Uh do you agree , do you think the market would would respond to uh a simple

Uh well if we um include other uh innovative functions   uh then they uh might ,


Ruud , how do you feel about that ? Uh do you agree , do you think the market would would respond to uh a simple

Uh well if we um include other uh innovative functions   uh then they uh might ,

'cause young people uh like new features.


Uh well if we um include other uh innovative functions   uh then they uh might ,

'cause young people uh like new features.


'cause young people uh like new features.


Uh just a few buttons , trendy design , nice lightning effects wh and the sound.


Uh just a few buttons , trendy design , nice lightning effects wh and the sound.

Okay. Well , is it  maybe there's another possibility. You can make it look like an easy s piece of equipment , but it's quite elaborated , uh because it has many functions.


Uh just a few buttons , trendy design , nice lightning effects wh and the sound.

Okay. Well , is it  maybe there's another possibility. You can make it look like an easy s piece of equipment , but it's quite elaborated , uh because it has many functions.

Maybe it's more important to make the  make it look like a very uh friendly , easy to catch piece of equipment , but um nevertheless


Okay. Well , is it  maybe there's another possibility. You can make it look like an easy s piece of equipment , but it's quite elaborated , uh because it has many functions.

Maybe it's more important to make the  make it look like a very uh friendly , easy to catch piece of equipment , but um nevertheless

But but are we not in in the in the manual uh  I mean if you have few buttons , no display , um I mean uh I guess it's l it's working with with a shift functions and um one button can uh


Maybe it's more important to make the  make it look like a very uh friendly , easy to catch piece of equipment , but um nevertheless

But but are we not in in the in the manual uh  I mean if you have few buttons , no display , um I mean uh I guess it's l it's working with with a shift functions and um one button can uh

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Ok like that. Well , I was more thinking about a more elaborate way of controlling , by by these kinds of sticks or something like that. I don't know if if it's user-friendly. That's your field of expertise.


Maybe it's more important to make the  make it look like a very uh friendly , easy to catch piece of equipment , but um nevertheless

But but are we not in in the in the manual uh  I mean if you have few buttons , no display , um I mean uh I guess it's l it's working with with a shift functions and um one button can uh

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Ok like that. Well , I was more thinking about a more elaborate way of controlling , by by these kinds of sticks or something like that. I don't know if if it's user-friendly. That's your field of expertise.

But but how does how does the remote uh report uh r uh give back to the user w in what state it is ?


But but are we not in in the in the manual uh  I mean if you have few buttons , no display , um I mean uh I guess it's l it's working with with a shift functions and um one button can uh

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Ok like that. Well , I was more thinking about a more elaborate way of controlling , by by these kinds of sticks or something like that. I don't know if if it's user-friendly. That's your field of expertise.

But but how does how does the remote uh report uh r uh give back to the user w in what state it is ?


Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Ok like that. Well , I was more thinking about a more elaborate way of controlling , by by these kinds of sticks or something like that. I don't know if if it's user-friendly. That's your field of expertise.

But but how does how does the remote uh report uh r uh give back to the user w in what state it is ?

Because we do not implement uh a user history.


But but how does how does the remote uh report uh r uh give back to the user w in what state it is ?

Because we do not implement uh a user history.

Mm-hmm. There's  no , but there's no way to do that , because we cannot implement that kind of the system.


Because we do not implement uh a user history.

Mm-hmm. There's  no , but there's no way to do that , because we cannot implement that kind of the system.

I know , but but if we use uh like a stick , for example , um


Because we do not implement uh a user history.

Mm-hmm. There's  no , but there's no way to do that , because we cannot implement that kind of the system.

I know , but but if we use uh like a stick , for example , um

W Mm-hmm. Well , maybe we can use a light for that. When you move the stick to a to a position , maybe uh a light next to it can lit up. So you know I've just uh pushed the button , or I changed the channel or t uh turned up the volume. Something like that.


Mm-hmm. There's  no , but there's no way to do that , because we cannot implement that kind of the system.

I know , but but if we use uh like a stick , for example , um

W Mm-hmm. Well , maybe we can use a light for that. When you move the stick to a to a position , maybe uh a light next to it can lit up. So you know I've just uh pushed the button , or I changed the channel or t uh turned up the volume. Something like that.

And if you use that stick for volume control and channel uh selection , you have the m two most important functions in one uh button.


I know , but but if we use uh like a stick , for example , um

W Mm-hmm. Well , maybe we can use a light for that. When you move the stick to a to a position , maybe uh a light next to it can lit up. So you know I've just uh pushed the button , or I changed the channel or t uh turned up the volume. Something like that.

And if you use that stick for volume control and channel uh selection , you have the m two most important functions in one uh button.

Yeah. Uh and we could have other buttons for the for the advanced uh functions.


W Mm-hmm. Well , maybe we can use a light for that. When you move the stick to a to a position , maybe uh a light next to it can lit up. So you know I've just uh pushed the button , or I changed the channel or t uh turned up the volume. Something like that.

And if you use that stick for volume control and channel uh selection , you have the m two most important functions in one uh button.

Yeah. Uh and we could have other buttons for the for the advanced uh functions.


And if you use that stick for volume control and channel uh selection , you have the m two most important functions in one uh button.

Yeah. Uh and we could have other buttons for the for the advanced uh functions.

But does it  uh I then should n just use uh i instead of the stick , uh like many cell phones , just a round m well ,


Yeah. Uh and we could have other buttons for the for the advanced uh functions.

But does it  uh I then should n just use uh i instead of the stick , uh like many cell phones , just a round m well ,


But does it  uh I then should n just use uh i instead of the stick , uh like many cell phones , just a round m well ,

should we just use a  Um it's already uh  oh , we have a blank. Oh.


should we just use a  Um it's already uh  oh , we have a blank. Oh.

It's just an easy uh way of of a round button what  which can be pushed in four directions. Instead of a stick.


should we just use a  Um it's already uh  oh , we have a blank. Oh.

It's just an easy uh way of of a round button what  which can be pushed in four directions. Instead of a stick.

It's not really a stick , but  Yes. Yes.


It's just an easy uh way of of a round button what  which can be pushed in four directions. Instead of a stick.

It's not really a stick , but  Yes. Yes.

A stick is v vulnerab vulnerable when it's falling down


It's not really a stick , but  Yes. Yes.

A stick is v vulnerab vulnerable when it's falling down


A stick is v vulnerab vulnerable when it's falling down


just a round uh button should be the trick , I think.


just a round uh button should be the trick , I think.

And  Yes , and this also looks more fancy , I think.


And  Yes , and this also looks more fancy , I think.

I think it it will attract uh more uh uh public , I think.


I think it it will attract uh more uh uh public , I think.


I think it it will attract uh more uh uh public , I think.

And it's also quite easy to use , so it'll  it  uh attract younger people because well new , and it might attract older people because it's easy to use.


And it's also quite easy to use , so it'll  it  uh attract younger people because well new , and it might attract older people because it's easy to use.

Geez. Well , volume and something uh like that.


Geez. Well , volume and something uh like that.


And the vol yeah , the pen doesn't uh really does what I want.


And the vol yeah , the pen doesn't uh really does what I want.

Okay , but w we still  we're still in the question of uh um uh putting in advanced options. Um Ruud just told us um the market is interested in some advanced uh new techniques. Um however , uh keeping it simple is is important for the costs and all all those kind of things. We need to find a balance between uh the advanced techniques and and the user-friendliness.


Okay , but w we still  we're still in the question of uh um uh putting in advanced options. Um Ruud just told us um the market is interested in some advanced uh new techniques. Um however , uh keeping it simple is is important for the costs and all all those kind of things. We need to find a balance between uh the advanced techniques and and the user-friendliness.

But I think our our next step to look at is just that. So I don't think it's  um we have something to do. Uh we can't discuss it right now , because n no one of us have  has the information to discuss about that , I think.


Okay , but w we still  we're still in the question of uh um uh putting in advanced options. Um Ruud just told us um the market is interested in some advanced uh new techniques. Um however , uh keeping it simple is is important for the costs and all all those kind of things. We need to find a balance between uh the advanced techniques and and the user-friendliness.

But I think our our next step to look at is just that. So I don't think it's  um we have something to do. Uh we can't discuss it right now , because n no one of us have  has the information to discuss about that , I think.

Um well , for  we do have to uh decide this this meeting. Yeah.


But I think our our next step to look at is just that. So I don't think it's  um we have something to do. Uh we can't discuss it right now , because n no one of us have  has the information to discuss about that , I think.

Um well , for  we do have to uh decide this this meeting. Yeah.


But I think our our next step to look at is just that. So I don't think it's  um we have something to do. Uh we can't discuss it right now , because n no one of us have  has the information to discuss about that , I think.

Um well , for  we do have to uh decide this this meeting. Yeah.

We need to um have the uh the user function  uh the functions decided and um  uh our target audience.


Um well , for  we do have to uh decide this this meeting. Yeah.

We need to um have the uh the user function  uh the functions decided and um  uh our target audience.


We need to um have the uh the user function  uh the functions decided and um  uh our target audience.


We need to um have the uh the user function  uh the functions decided and um  uh our target audience.

but teletext is so uh is just scrapped. 'Kay ,


but teletext is so uh is just scrapped. 'Kay ,

Okay. Do do you want a list of functions ? Do you want an explicit list ? Uh which uh incorporates all function available on the device ?


but teletext is so uh is just scrapped. 'Kay ,

Okay. Do do you want a list of functions ? Do you want an explicit list ? Uh which uh incorporates all function available on the device ?

Um well , I do not want a full uh  it's not necessary to to have a full list , but I want um the kind of functions , for example uh th the most important are volume and uh programme selecting.


Okay. Do do you want a list of functions ? Do you want an explicit list ? Uh which uh incorporates all function available on the device ?

Um well , I do not want a full uh  it's not necessary to to have a full list , but I want um the kind of functions , for example uh th the most important are volume and uh programme selecting.


Um well , I do not want a full uh  it's not necessary to to have a full list , but I want um the kind of functions , for example uh th the most important are volume and uh programme selecting.


Well , for example , that that's what we should think about.  l how is the remote going to look ? Not not in the user interface , but


Well , for example , that that's what we should think about.  l how is the remote going to look ? Not not in the user interface , but

Oh , and just one function. The the the the programme to programme button , the switch to uh two channels , when you have uh something on channel four and something on channel six , just one button which which can uh change


Oh , and just one function. The the the the programme to programme button , the switch to uh two channels , when you have uh something on channel four and something on channel six , just one button which which can uh change


Mielsen , because I I was writing it down in the last uh  Mielsen. Right. Um I put all the minutes I make into the shared folder. So if you want to have a look at it , you know where to find it. Um


Mielsen , because I I was writing it down in the last uh  Mielsen. Right. Um I put all the minutes I make into the shared folder. So if you want to have a look at it , you know where to find it. Um

but make a s make a sub-folder for it , because it's starting to fill up already.


but make a s make a sub-folder for it , because it's starting to fill up already.


Well , if you want to go to channel ninety and you have th that button.


but is that so relevant ? Because I don't think  but you should uh shou you should know that. If it were so.


but is that so relevant ? Because I don't think  but you should uh shou you should know that. If it were so.

I wouldn't buy it personally. A remote control without the ten digits.


I wouldn't buy it personally. A remote control without the ten digits.


Just elder elder people would would buy it ,


Just elder elder people would would buy it ,

I can imagine when you're  when you have a satellite decoder and and you have , well , about six hundred channels , I can imagine you want this.


I can imagine when you're  when you have a satellite decoder and and you have , well , about six hundred channels , I can imagine you want this.

But if you're uh a regular T_V_ user , and you just want uh to watch the the Dutch television networks , well , you can uh    you can use uh about ten buttons. That's enough.


But if you're uh a regular T_V_ user , and you just want uh to watch the the Dutch television networks , well , you can uh    you can use uh about ten buttons. That's enough.

But we do have thirteen different Dutch channels.


But if you're uh a regular T_V_ user , and you just want uh to watch the the Dutch television networks , well , you can uh    you can use uh about ten buttons. That's enough.

But we do have thirteen different Dutch channels.

Yep. The older people only use five of them.


But we do have thirteen different Dutch channels.

Yep. The older people only use five of them.


Yep. The older people only use five of them.


Yep. The older people only use five of them.

but how how often do you watch all these channels ?


but how how often do you watch all these channels ?

and if if we  And if we are targeting at the younger audience , they will probably watch more channels than the older people.


and if if we  And if we are targeting at the younger audience , they will probably watch more channels than the older people.


Okay. But I think these uh ten uh buttons look a bit dull. Don't you think ?


Okay. But I think these uh ten uh buttons look a bit dull. Don't you think ?

Well , it depends on the on the on the looks , on the on the


Well , it depends on the on the on the looks , on the on the

Okay. Well , y then there should be  should done  be done something specific with it.


Okay. Well , y then there should be  should done  be done something specific with it.


by um   I mean Nokia , they have ten digits on their phones and it still looks very fancy.


Okay , so you can experiment by  uh with with shape or with size or with colour , that kind of thing.


Okay , so you can experiment by  uh with with shape or with size or with colour , that kind of thing.

And um there are some numbers about uh speech recognition here that uh younger people would like it. Uh it might be expensive and uh hard to implement , but it would be a solution uh for


And um there are some numbers about uh speech recognition here that uh younger people would like it. Uh it might be expensive and uh hard to implement , but it would be a solution uh for


And um there are some numbers about uh speech recognition here that uh younger people would like it. Uh it might be expensive and uh hard to implement , but it would be a solution uh for

Well , maybe it can be combined with the find the remote control.


Well , maybe it can be combined with the find the remote control.

So um when you add uh speech recognition to your remote control , uh it's very easy to change uh the channel. That's one thing.


So um when you add uh speech recognition to your remote control , uh it's very easy to change uh the channel. That's one thing.

And it's very easy uh to find your remote control.


And it's very easy uh to find your remote control.

So maybe that's a possibility , but I'm afraid it will be a bit costly.


So maybe that's a possibility , but I'm afraid it will be a bit costly.

Uh  If if we would um drop the ten digits


Uh  If if we would um drop the ten digits


because maybe people do not always want to use their voice , um


because maybe people do not always want to use their voice , um

Especially elder people uh don't like voice recognition. So then we should implement such a but


because maybe people do not always want to use their voice , um

Especially elder people uh don't like voice recognition. So then we should implement such a but

Yeah. But we do focus on younger people. We d it it's a board uh decision.


Especially elder people uh don't like voice recognition. So then we should implement such a but

Yeah. But we do focus on younger people. We d it it's a board uh decision.


Yeah. But we do focus on younger people. We d it it's a board uh decision.

Well. I I think it should uh should work , it sh we should manage that.


Well. I I think it should uh should work , it sh we should manage that.


Well. I I think it should uh should work , it sh we should manage that.

we have to i to make um a decision between the ten digits or the voice recognition.


we have to i to make um a decision between the ten digits or the voice recognition.

Yes. Well , the voice recognition has the main adva has another advantage. It's mas it makes it very easy for us to implement the find uh find the remote control button  uh remote control function.


Yes. Well , the voice recognition has the main adva has another advantage. It's mas it makes it very easy for us to implement the find uh find the remote control button  uh remote control function.

So that's that's a big advantage , I think.


So that's that's a big advantage , I think.


So that's that's a big advantage , I think.

There's only one disadvantage uh by implementing this. Um the power saving power saving will be a bit more difficult. So we can expect that there will be a less longer life to the batteries.


There's only one disadvantage uh by implementing this. Um the power saving power saving will be a bit more difficult. So we can expect that there will be a less longer life to the batteries.


There's only one disadvantage uh by implementing this. Um the power saving power saving will be a bit more difficult. So we can expect that there will be a less longer life to the batteries.

But maybe can  we we can think something smart about it.


But maybe can  we we can think something smart about it.

There are some uh hybrid hybrid devices which incorporate a solar panel and rechargeable batteries.


There are some uh hybrid hybrid devices which incorporate a solar panel and rechargeable batteries.

So when you just leave the device in a in a light room , it charges itself.


There are some uh hybrid hybrid devices which incorporate a solar panel and rechargeable batteries.

So when you just leave the device in a in a light room , it charges itself.

But  But but can we manage it bu uh for the costs ?


So when you just leave the device in a in a light room , it charges itself.

But  But but can we manage it bu uh for the costs ?


But  But but can we manage it bu uh for the costs ?


And uh if we if we could inc uh include a c a cradle in which it could recharge , then there wouldn't be uh a big problem.