Yeah.  No. Yeah , you could make a a front

Mm. I think we followed the latest trends.

a front that's that's like uh like a banana ,  or something.

Tha these are the only latest uh trends I uh  get on my computer.


Mm. I think we followed the latest trends.

a front that's that's like uh like a banana ,  or something.

Tha these are the only latest uh trends I uh  get on my computer.

Oh right. Well uh fruit and vegetables , yeah.


a front that's that's like uh like a banana ,  or something.

Tha these are the only latest uh trends I uh  get on my computer.

Oh right. Well uh fruit and vegetables , yeah.


Tha these are the only latest uh trends I uh  get on my computer.

Oh right. Well uh fruit and vegetables , yeah.


Oh right. Well uh fruit and vegetables , yeah.

Uh yeah , th So we had we uh have uh a fruit uh


Uh yeah , th So we had we uh have uh a fruit uh


So we give ourself a three or something.


This is a a power indicator. So you can see how far it's charged up.


This is a a power indicator. So you can see how far it's charged up.

And and you need n uh a button to call it , to let it beep.


And and you need n uh a button to call it , to let it beep.


Yeah , but uh we have to make a speaker then too. If you want to make it beep.


But we can we can do it uh underneath the logo.


But we can we can do it uh underneath the logo.

No , we need that. That's usable. That's really usable.


No , we need that. That's usable. That's really usable.

Yeah , th the speaker is very small as well , right ?


Yeah , th the speaker is very small as well , right ?


No. Okay , let's have a look at this one here , the production cost of it. If I forgot anything , just say it to me. It just is a battery. Yeah , there are some that they didn't mention , because recharge is not on the list. But okay. So I think we are pretty much in the right direction , because it's twelve point three Euros.


So this is a regular chip incl and and a sample speaker.


So this is a regular chip incl and and a sample speaker.

Come on , it's perfect. Uh twelve point three point three.


Come on , it's perfect. Uh twelve point three point three.


Come on , it's perfect. Uh twelve point three point three.

But but is it inc Does it include a a homestation or


Come on , it's perfect. Uh twelve point three point three.

But but is it inc Does it include a a homestation or

No , that's not on the list. But that shouldn't be .


But but is it inc Does it include a a homestation or

No , that's not on the list. But that shouldn't be .

Can we make that for uh h twenty cents ?


No , that's not on the list. But that shouldn't be .

Can we make that for uh h twenty cents ?

Probably. I just  The b the button supplements , I didn't I d I was wondering if this special colour maybe was  I'm not sure.


Can we make that for uh h twenty cents ?

Probably. I just  The b the button supplements , I didn't I d I was wondering if this special colour maybe was  I'm not sure.

Um  different fronts , but standard front won't be , yeah.


Probably. I just  The b the button supplements , I didn't I d I was wondering if this special colour maybe was  I'm not sure.

Um  different fronts , but standard front won't be , yeah.


Um  different fronts , but standard front won't be , yeah.

It's hard to say. But maybe we have to um  Yeah ,  okay. Special colour , you can skip this one , because it's all quite normal.


It's hard to say. But maybe we have to um  Yeah ,  okay. Special colour , you can skip this one , because it's all quite normal.


It's hard to say. But maybe we have to um  Yeah ,  okay. Special colour , you can skip this one , because it's all quite normal.

We get different ones , that's all. So you can put a recharger in it as well.


It's hard to say. But maybe we have to um  Yeah ,  okay. Special colour , you can skip this one , because it's all quite normal.

We get different ones , that's all. So you can put a recharger in it as well.

But this is expensive , the sample speaker.


We get different ones , that's all. So you can put a recharger in it as well.

But this is expensive , the sample speaker.


But this is expensive , the sample speaker.


Oh , them. Is that uh included ? In the twelve Euro or


It's kind of weird that we  we get this information now , afterwards. Because


It's kind of weird that we  we get this information now , afterwards. Because

Okay , so this is uh pretty much it this .


Okay , so this is uh pretty much it this .


Okay , so this is uh pretty much it this .

So  I just want you  Yeah , we just made it. So we can do the project evalu evaluation now for uh for everything together.


So  I just want you  Yeah , we just made it. So we can do the project evalu evaluation now for uh for everything together.

Okay. We can do some discussion about this. Was there room for creativity ?


Okay. We can do some discussion about this. Was there room for creativity ?


Paul , was there room for crea creativity ?


Paul , was there room for crea creativity ?

Mm uh i Yeah , I think so. I think uh everyone uh  already. So


Paul , was there room for crea creativity ?

Mm uh i Yeah , I think so. I think uh everyone uh  already. So

Yeah m If we got a high mark for um uh innovativeness or innovativity


Mm uh i Yeah , I think so. I think uh everyone uh  already. So

Yeah m If we got a high mark for um uh innovativeness or innovativity


Yeah m If we got a high mark for um uh innovativeness or innovativity

then there  we probably have been creative.


then there  we probably have been creative.

I think we uh discussed a lot of things about it. So


then there  we probably have been creative.

I think we uh discussed a lot of things about it. So

Yeah. We could make a lot of different uh remote controls.


I think we uh discussed a lot of things about it. So

Yeah. We could make a lot of different uh remote controls.


Yeah. We could make a lot of different uh remote controls.


Okay , so the leadership  Was there a leadership and


Yeah.  Just normal discussion , I think. Not


Yeah.  Just normal discussion , I think. Not

One leader to check the time , etcetera.


One leader to check the time , etcetera.


Uh team work um  The the third meeting I think that one was pretty hard. We were not all  We were not um agree with every not agree with .


Uh team work um  The the third meeting I think that one was pretty hard. We were not all  We were not um agree with every not agree with .

Yeah , w we had so much information , that we get through email and just


Yeah , w we had so much information , that we get through email and just


Yeah , w we had so much information , that we get through email and just

Uh I think we  we got wrong information at the wrong time. I think that was the m biggest problem.


Uh I think we  we got wrong information at the wrong time. I think that was the m biggest problem.


Uh I think we  we got wrong information at the wrong time. I think that was the m biggest problem.

Like uh the prices. If we knew that before , we could have uh had discussion really uh s really quicker.


Like uh the prices. If we knew that before , we could have uh had discussion really uh s really quicker.


Like uh the prices. If we knew that before , we could have uh had discussion really uh s really quicker.

Yeah , because the prices uh could be twenty Euros or something now.


Like uh the prices. If we knew that before , we could have uh had discussion really uh s really quicker.

Yeah , because the prices uh could be twenty Euros or something now.

Yeah , and if you had uh fifteen Euros , then we would  it.


Yeah , because the prices uh could be twenty Euros or something now.

Yeah , and if you had uh fifteen Euros , then we would  it.


Yeah , and if you had uh fifteen Euros , then we would  it.


So we're bacal basically just lucky to uh get the price right.


So we're bacal basically just lucky to uh get the price right.

Yeah , uh everybody could speak their uh opinion. And uh


Yeah , uh everybody could speak their uh opinion. And uh

I think uh everyone listen to each other.


Yeah , uh everybody could speak their uh opinion. And uh

I think uh everyone listen to each other.

Like marketing said things and then we had to i include them in the design.


I think uh everyone listen to each other.

Like marketing said things and then we had to i include them in the design.

Yeah. 'Kay. Yeah , what I have to say about uh means. The smart board is okay. Digital pen is horrible. I dunno if you use it. But if you want to download it to your computer , it's doesn't work.


Like marketing said things and then we had to i include them in the design.

Yeah. 'Kay. Yeah , what I have to say about uh means. The smart board is okay. Digital pen is horrible. I dunno if you use it. But if you want to download it to your computer , it's doesn't work.


Yeah. 'Kay. Yeah , what I have to say about uh means. The smart board is okay. Digital pen is horrible. I dunno if you use it. But if you want to download it to your computer , it's doesn't work.


Well uh smart board would be very uh nice to work with , if it worked really well.


Yeah , i if if it would be faster , it would be great.


Yeah , i if if it would be faster , it would be great.

Yeah , the drawings are are hard to make , I think.


Yeah , i if if it would be faster , it would be great.

Yeah , the drawings are are hard to make , I think.

Yeah , more accurate. Yeah , it's i It should be more accurate.


Yeah , the drawings are are hard to make , I think.

Yeah , more accurate. Yeah , it's i It should be more accurate.


Yeah , more accurate. Yeah , it's i It should be more accurate.

And uh I think it would be great if you could edit it from , just with a mouse , from where you're sitting.


And uh I think it would be great if you could edit it from , just with a mouse , from where you're sitting.


And uh I think it would be great if you could edit it from , just with a mouse , from where you're sitting.

It's the same for the presenta for the presentations. You can do it from here. That's much easier than standing there.


It's the same for the presenta for the presentations. You can do it from here. That's much easier than standing there.


No use to draw on the board itself. It's just slows down.


No use to draw on the board itself. It's just slows down.

Just old fashioned kinda blackboard style.


Just old fashioned kinda blackboard style.


Just old fashioned kinda blackboard style.

But you might as well do it in normal computer style.


But you might as well do it in normal computer style.


But you might as well do it in normal computer style.

Yeah , even harder to draw like this than black board style.


But you might as well do it in normal computer style.

Yeah , even harder to draw like this than black board style.

Yeah. Yeah. And it's far too slow this way.


Yeah , even harder to draw like this than black board style.

Yeah. Yeah. And it's far too slow this way.


Yeah. Yeah. And it's far too slow this way.

You cou You could draw on it , but not as main function.


You cou You could draw on it , but not as main function.


So we made it in time.  And we made a remote control.


To gather , or to uh work together , uh or new ideas for


For remote control , a favourite for your text.


For remote control , a favourite for your text.

Yeah , but still , you couldn't make a fancy a f you couldn't make a a prototype out of this. Because we don't have any sizes and


Yeah , but still , you couldn't make a fancy a f you couldn't make a a prototype out of this. Because we don't have any sizes and

Yeah. But it's for the next team. We don't have to do that.


Yeah , but still , you couldn't make a fancy a f you couldn't make a a prototype out of this. Because we don't have any sizes and

Yeah. But it's for the next team. We don't have to do that.

Yeah , but it  You can't possibly do that in such a short time , I think.


Yeah , but still , you couldn't make a fancy a f you couldn't make a a prototype out of this. Because we don't have any sizes and

Yeah. But it's for the next team. We don't have to do that.

Yeah , but it  You can't possibly do that in such a short time , I think.

That's for . Yeah , this this is just the idea phase , the


Yeah. But it's for the next team. We don't have to do that.

Yeah , but it  You can't possibly do that in such a short time , I think.

That's for . Yeah , this this is just the idea phase , the


Yeah , but it  You can't possibly do that in such a short time , I think.

That's for . Yeah , this this is just the idea phase , the


That's for . Yeah , this this is just the idea phase , the


Yes , I think just  I just write a final report.


Yes , I think just  I just write a final report.

No , we have only four minutes left. Uh it's okay.


No , we have only four minutes left. Uh it's okay.


No , we have only four minutes left. Uh it's okay.

Oh , what do we have to do now. Do we uh  I thought we were done at four o'clock ?


Oh , what do we have to do now. Do we uh  I thought we were done at four o'clock ?


One two three four five six seven cameras. Mm not bad.


We're probably not supposed to look at this , but


We're probably not supposed to look at this , but

They went for uh for a universal device.


They went for uh for a universal device.


Hmm. Here are the basic functions in here , the selecting dev devices.


Hmm. Here are the basic functions in here , the selecting dev devices.

Yeah , and touch screens for all our stuff , yeah.


Hmm. Here are the basic functions in here , the selecting dev devices.

Yeah , and touch screens for all our stuff , yeah.

I do agree with that. Yeah , tu-dum. English is not so hard by the way.


Yeah , and touch screens for all our stuff , yeah.

I do agree with that. Yeah , tu-dum. English is not so hard by the way.


I do agree with that. Yeah , tu-dum. English is not so hard by the way.


You do ? Yeah , you have to make a choice.


Oh , that's so stupid. No , that doesn't work.


Oh , that's so stupid. No , that doesn't work.

No , you gotta use the magic pen. Hmm. What if I put one there ?


No , you gotta use the magic pen. Hmm. What if I put one there ?


Yeah , you had two choices. That's gonna be draw. Or not.


Yeah , you had two choices. That's gonna be draw. Or not.

I'll put it here. You are going to put it there.


I'll put it here. You are going to put it there.

Yeah , then I put it there.  No one wins.


I'll put it here. You are going to put it there.

Yeah , then I put it there.  No one wins.

It's a difficult choice , either here or there.


Yeah , then I put it there.  No one wins.

It's a difficult choice , either here or there.


It's a difficult choice , either here or there.


'Kay wait , I'm going to draw something and you must y


'Kay wait , I'm going to draw something and you must y

What ? Okay , I'm going to guess what you're drawing.


What ? Okay , I'm going to guess what you're drawing.


A house ? Yeah , you have to use the pen s stupid.


A house ? Yeah , you have to use the pen s stupid.

You have to save everything , you know that , huh ?


You have to save everything , you know that , huh ?


It wants to know what we do in our spare time.


Okay , that makes it easier. I think I know. No , wrong.


Okay , that makes it easier. I think I know. No , wrong.

I think I know what you're trying to draw , but it's wrong already.


I think I know what you're trying to draw , but it's wrong already.


See where you're wrong now ? The entrance.


Okay , the entrance is uh more to the left.


Oh. Yeah , there are a lot of mistakes , because the walls are thick like this.


Oh. Yeah , there are a lot of mistakes , because the walls are thick like this.

No I w Okay , I'm not that whiny. But uh there was a big hole here as well , and there as well.


Oh. Yeah , there are a lot of mistakes , because the walls are thick like this.

No I w Okay , I'm not that whiny. But uh there was a big hole here as well , and there as well.

Oh , that's true. Uh here. Yeah , they're walking behind the walls.


Oh. Yeah , there are a lot of mistakes , because the walls are thick like this.

No I w Okay , I'm not that whiny. But uh there was a big hole here as well , and there as well.

Oh , that's true. Uh here. Yeah , they're walking behind the walls.

That's a kinda big mistake.  Warning , finish meeting now. Guys , I think we have to finish the meeting.


No I w Okay , I'm not that whiny. But uh there was a big hole here as well , and there as well.

Oh , that's true. Uh here. Yeah , they're walking behind the walls.

That's a kinda big mistake.  Warning , finish meeting now. Guys , I think we have to finish the meeting.


Oh , that's true. Uh here. Yeah , they're walking behind the walls.

That's a kinda big mistake.  Warning , finish meeting now. Guys , I think we have to finish the meeting.


That's a kinda big mistake.  Warning , finish meeting now. Guys , I think we have to finish the meeting.


That's a uh edited smiley.   Tom-ti-dom. Uh.


There 's another  I don't know. It starts with a P or something. I forget the word for it , but it 's  it 's um


There 's another  I don't know. It starts with a P or something. I forget the word for it , but it 's  it 's um

Typically when you  you 're ab r starting around forty for most people , it starts to harden and then it 's just harder for the lens to shift things


Typically when you  you 're ab r starting around forty for most people , it starts to harden and then it 's just harder for the lens to shift things

and th the  the symptom is typically that you   you have to hold stuff uh uh further away to  to see it.


and th the  the symptom is typically that you   you have to hold stuff uh uh further away to  to see it.

In fact , uh m my brother 's a  gerontological psychologist and he  he uh  came up with an  an uh  a uh body age test which uh gets down to sort of only three measurements that are good enough st statistical predictors of all the rest of it. And one of them is  is the distance  that you have to hold it at.


and th the  the symptom is typically that you   you have to hold stuff uh uh further away to  to see it.

In fact , uh m my brother 's a  gerontological psychologist and he  he uh  came up with an  an uh  a uh body age test which uh gets down to sort of only three measurements that are good enough st statistical predictors of all the rest of it. And one of them is  is the distance  that you have to hold it at.

Give someone a piece of paper and then they  Oh.


In fact , uh m my brother 's a  gerontological psychologist and he  he uh  came up with an  an uh  a uh body age test which uh gets down to sort of only three measurements that are good enough st statistical predictors of all the rest of it. And one of them is  is the distance  that you have to hold it at.

Give someone a piece of paper and then they  Oh.


Give someone a piece of paper and then they  Oh.

We 're  we 're live by the way , so we 've got a good intro here


We 're  we 're live by the way , so we 've got a good intro here


OK. So. This time the form discussion should be very short ,


And uh she 'll be most interested in that. Uh , she 's probably least involved in the signal - processing stuff so maybe we can just  just uh , I don't think we should go though an elaborate thing , but um uh Jose and I were just talking about  the uh  uh , speech e energy thing ,


We didn't talk about the derivatives. But I think , you know , the  the  i if I can  if you don't mind my  my speaking for you for a bit , um  Uh. Right now , that he 's not really showing any kind of uh distinction , but uh  but we discussed a couple of the possible things that uh he can look at. Um. And uh one is that uh this is all in log energy and log energy is basically compressing the distances  uh  between things. Um  Another is that he needs to play with the  the different uh  uh temporal sizes. He was  he  he was taking everything over two hundred milliseconds uh , and uh he 's going to vary that number and also look at moving windows , as we discussed before. Um And uh  and the other thing is that the  yeah doing the   subtracting off the mean and the variance in the   uh and dividing it by the  standard deviation in the log domain ,  may not be  the right thing to do.


Are these the long term means ? Like , over the whole  I mean , the means of  what ?


Between  Neither. It 's uh between the pauses  uh for some segment.


Between  Neither. It 's uh between the pauses  uh for some segment.

And so i i his  his  He 's making the constraint it has to be at least two hundred milliseconds.


And so i i his  his  He 's making the constraint it has to be at least two hundred milliseconds.


And so i i his  his  He 's making the constraint it has to be at least two hundred milliseconds.

And so you take that. And then he 's  he 's uh measuring at the frame level  still at the frame level , of what


And so you take that. And then he 's  he 's uh measuring at the frame level  still at the frame level , of what

and then  and then just uh normalizing with that larger amount. um and  But one thing he was pointing out is when he  he looked at a bunch of examples in log domain , it is actually pretty hard to see  the change. And you can sort of  see that , because of j of just putting it on the board that  if you sort of have log - X plus log - X , that 's the log of X plus the log of two


and then  and then just uh normalizing with that larger amount. um and  But one thing he was pointing out is when he  he looked at a bunch of examples in log domain , it is actually pretty hard to see  the change. And you can sort of  see that , because of j of just putting it on the board that  if you sort of have log - X plus log - X , that 's the log of X plus the log of two


and it 's just ,  you know , it  it diminishes the  effect of having two of them.


and it 's just ,  you know , it  it diminishes the  effect of having two of them.

But you could do like a C D F there instead ? I mean , we don't know that the distribution here is normally.


and it 's just ,  you know , it  it diminishes the  effect of having two of them.

But you could do like a C D F there instead ? I mean , we don't know that the distribution here is normally.

Yes , right. So  So what I was suggesting to him is that


But you could do like a C D F there instead ? I mean , we don't know that the distribution here is normally.

Yes , right. So  So what I was suggesting to him is that


But you could do like a C D F there instead ? I mean , we don't know that the distribution here is normally.

Yes , right. So  So what I was suggesting to him is that

Actually , a PDF. But , you know , uh But , either way.


Yes , right. So  So what I was suggesting to him is that

Actually , a PDF. But , you know , uh But , either way.


Actually , a PDF. But , you know , uh But , either way.


Something like that where it 's sort of data driven.


Something like that where it 's sort of data driven.

Yeah , but I think  also u I think a good first indicator is when the  the  the researcher looks at  examples of the data and can not see a change  in how big the  the signal is ,  when the two speaker


Something like that where it 's sort of data driven.

Yeah , but I think  also u I think a good first indicator is when the  the  the researcher looks at  examples of the data and can not see a change  in how big the  the signal is ,  when the two speaker

Then , that 's a problem right there. So. I think you should at least be able ,


Yeah , but I think  also u I think a good first indicator is when the  the  the researcher looks at  examples of the data and can not see a change  in how big the  the signal is ,  when the two speaker

Then , that 's a problem right there. So. I think you should at least be able ,


Then , that 's a problem right there. So. I think you should at least be able ,

doing casual looking and can get the sense , " Hey , there 's something there. " and then you can play around with the measures. And when he 's looking in the log domain he 's not really seeing it.


doing casual looking and can get the sense , " Hey , there 's something there. " and then you can play around with the measures. And when he 's looking in the log domain he 's not really seeing it.


doing casual looking and can get the sense , " Hey , there 's something there. " and then you can play around with the measures. And when he 's looking in the log domain he 's not really seeing it.

So. And when he 's looking in straight energy he is , so that 's a good place to start.


So. And when he 's looking in straight energy he is , so that 's a good place to start.


So. And when he 's looking in straight energy he is , so that 's a good place to start.

Um. So that was  that was the discussion we just had. Um.  The other thing Actually we ca had a question for Adam in this. Uh , when you did the  sampling ? uh  over the  speech segments or s or sampling over the  the individual channels in order to do the e uh the  amplitude equalization ,  did you do it over just the entire  everything in the mike channels ?


Um. So that was  that was the discussion we just had. Um.  The other thing Actually we ca had a question for Adam in this. Uh , when you did the  sampling ? uh  over the  speech segments or s or sampling over the  the individual channels in order to do the e uh the  amplitude equalization ,  did you do it over just the entire  everything in the mike channels ?


Um. So that was  that was the discussion we just had. Um.  The other thing Actually we ca had a question for Adam in this. Uh , when you did the  sampling ? uh  over the  speech segments or s or sampling over the  the individual channels in order to do the e uh the  amplitude equalization ,  did you do it over just the entire  everything in the mike channels ?

No , I just took over the entire s uh entire channel um  sampled ten minutes randomly.


No , I just took over the entire s uh entire channel um  sampled ten minutes randomly.

Right , OK. So then that means that someone who didn't speak  very much  would be largely represented by silence.


No , I just took over the entire s uh entire channel um  sampled ten minutes randomly.

Right , OK. So then that means that someone who didn't speak  very much  would be largely represented by silence.

And someone who would  who would be  So the normalization factor probably is  i i i  is  is


Right , OK. So then that means that someone who didn't speak  very much  would be largely represented by silence.

And someone who would  who would be  So the normalization factor probably is  i i i  is  is

Yeah , this was quite quick and dirty , and it was just for  listening.


And someone who would  who would be  So the normalization factor probably is  i i i  is  is

Yeah , this was quite quick and dirty , and it was just for  listening.


Yeah , this was quite quick and dirty , and it was just for  listening.

And for listening it seems to work really well.


And for listening it seems to work really well.


OK. So yeah there  there  there  There 's a good chance then given that different people do talk different amounts  that there is  there  there is still a lot more to be gained from gain norm normalization with some sort


OK. So yeah there  there  there  There 's a good chance then given that different people do talk different amounts  that there is  there  there is still a lot more to be gained from gain norm normalization with some sort

if  if we can figure out a way to do it.


if  if we can figure out a way to do it.


if  if we can figure out a way to do it.

Uh. But we were agreed that in addition to that  uh there should be  s stuff related to pitch and harmonics and so forth.


Uh. But we were agreed that in addition to that  uh there should be  s stuff related to pitch and harmonics and so forth.

So we didn't talk at all about uh the other derivatives , but uh again just  just looking at  Uh , I think uh Liz has a very good point , that in fact it would be much more graphic just to show  Well , actually , you do have some distributions here , uh for these cases.


So we didn't talk at all about uh the other derivatives , but uh again just  just looking at  Uh , I think uh Liz has a very good point , that in fact it would be much more graphic just to show  Well , actually , you do have some distributions here , uh for these cases.

You have some histograms , um  and  uh , they don't look very separate.


You have some histograms , um  and  uh , they don't look very separate.


You have some histograms , um  and  uh , they don't look very separate.

This is the  the first derivate of log of frame energy uh without any kind of normalization.


This is the  the first derivate of log of frame energy uh without any kind of normalization.


These the These are the  the first experiments uh with comment uh


These the These are the  the first experiments uh with comment uh

Except that  it 's hard to judge this because the  they 're not normalized. It 's just number of frames.


Except that  it 's hard to judge this because the  they 're not normalized. It 's just number of frames.


W  I mean , what I meant is , even if you use linear ,  you know , raw  measures , like  raw energy or whatever ,


W  I mean , what I meant is , even if you use linear ,  you know , raw  measures , like  raw energy or whatever ,

maybe we shouldn't make any assumptions about the distribution 's shape , and just use  you know , use the distribution to model the    the mean , or what y you know , rather than the mean take some


W  I mean , what I meant is , even if you use linear ,  you know , raw  measures , like  raw energy or whatever ,

maybe we shouldn't make any assumptions about the distribution 's shape , and just use  you know , use the distribution to model the    the mean , or what y you know , rather than the mean take some

Yeah. But  And so in  in these he 's got that.


maybe we shouldn't make any assumptions about the distribution 's shape , and just use  you know , use the distribution to model the    the mean , or what y you know , rather than the mean take some

Yeah. But  And so in  in these he 's got that.


maybe we shouldn't make any assumptions about the distribution 's shape , and just use  you know , use the distribution to model the    the mean , or what y you know , rather than the mean take some

Yeah. But  And so in  in these he 's got that.

He 's got some pictures. But he doesn't  he doesn't in the  he i


Yeah. But  And so in  in these he 's got that.

He 's got some pictures. But he doesn't  he doesn't in the  he i


He 's got some pictures. But he doesn't  he doesn't in the  he i


Right. So , we don't  know what they look like  on the ,  tsk   For the raw.


Right. So , we don't  know what they look like  on the ,  tsk   For the raw.

But he didn't h have it for the energy. He had it for the derivatives. Yeah.


Right. So , we don't  know what they look like  on the ,  tsk   For the raw.

But he didn't h have it for the energy. He had it for the derivatives. Yeah.

Yeah. So. I mean , there might be something there. I don't know.


But he didn't h have it for the energy. He had it for the derivatives. Yeah.

Yeah. So. I mean , there might be something there. I don't know.


Yeah. So. I mean , there might be something there. I don't know.


did  did you have this sort of thing , for just the  just the l r uh the  the unnormalized log energy ? OK. Yeah. So she  she 's right.


did  did you have this sort of thing , for just the  just the l r uh the  the unnormalized log energy ? OK. Yeah. So she  she 's right.

but it 's the  it 's the  the  the following.


did  did you have this sort of thing , for just the  just the l r uh the  the unnormalized log energy ? OK. Yeah. So she  she 's right.

but it 's the  it 's the  the  the following.

Well it might be just good to know what it looks like.


but it 's the  it 's the  the  the following.

Well it might be just good to know what it looks like.

Yeah. That 's  That 's uh  cuz I 'd mentioned scatter plots before but she 's right ,


Well it might be just good to know what it looks like.

Yeah. That 's  That 's uh  cuz I 'd mentioned scatter plots before but she 's right ,


Yeah. That 's  That 's uh  cuz I 'd mentioned scatter plots before but she 's right ,

I mean , even before you get the scatter plots , just looking at a single feature  uh , looking at the distribution , is a good thing to do.


I mean , even before you get the scatter plots , just looking at a single feature  uh , looking at the distribution , is a good thing to do.

Yeah. Catal - uh  Combining the different possibilities of uh the parameters. I  I  I  I mean the  the  the scatter plot  combining eh different  n two combination.


I mean , even before you get the scatter plots , just looking at a single feature  uh , looking at the distribution , is a good thing to do.

Yeah. Catal - uh  Combining the different possibilities of uh the parameters. I  I  I  I mean the  the  the scatter plot  combining eh different  n two combination.

Yeah , but  but what she 's saying  is , which is right , is  le


I mean , even before you get the scatter plots , just looking at a single feature  uh , looking at the distribution , is a good thing to do.

Yeah. Catal - uh  Combining the different possibilities of uh the parameters. I  I  I  I mean the  the  the scatter plot  combining eh different  n two combination.

Yeah , but  but what she 's saying  is , which is right , is  le

combination of two ,  of energy and derivate


Yeah. Catal - uh  Combining the different possibilities of uh the parameters. I  I  I  I mean the  the  the scatter plot  combining eh different  n two combination.

Yeah , but  but what she 's saying  is , which is right , is  le

combination of two ,  of energy and derivate

I mean , let 's start with the  Before we get complicated , let 's start with the most basic wh thing , which is  we 're arguing that if you take energy  uh if you look at the energy , that , when two people are speaking at the same time , usually   there 'll be more energy than when one is right ?


Yeah , but  but what she 's saying  is , which is right , is  le

combination of two ,  of energy and derivate

I mean , let 's start with the  Before we get complicated , let 's start with the most basic wh thing , which is  we 're arguing that if you take energy  uh if you look at the energy , that , when two people are speaking at the same time , usually   there 'll be more energy than when one is right ?


combination of two ,  of energy and derivate

I mean , let 's start with the  Before we get complicated , let 's start with the most basic wh thing , which is  we 're arguing that if you take energy  uh if you look at the energy , that , when two people are speaking at the same time , usually   there 'll be more energy than when one is right ?


I mean , let 's start with the  Before we get complicated , let 's start with the most basic wh thing , which is  we 're arguing that if you take energy  uh if you look at the energy , that , when two people are speaking at the same time , usually   there 'll be more energy than when one is right ?


And the first way you 'd look at that , uh s she 's , you know , absolutely right , is that you would just take a look at the distribution of those two things , much as you 've plotted them here ,


And the first way you 'd look at that , uh s she 's , you know , absolutely right , is that you would just take a look at the distribution of those two things , much as you 've plotted them here ,

You know , but just  but just   just uh do it


You know , but just  but just   just uh do it

Well in this case you have three. You have the silence , and that  that 's fine.


Well in this case you have three. You have the silence , and that  that 's fine.

So , uh with three colors or three shades or whatever , just  just look at those distributions.


So , uh with three colors or three shades or whatever , just  just look at those distributions.

And then , given that as a base , you can see if that gets improved , you know , or  or   or worsened  by the  looking at regular energy , looking at log energy , we were just proposing that maybe it 's  you know , it 's harder to  see with the log energy , um and uh also these different normalizations , does a particular choice of normalization make it better ?


And then , given that as a base , you can see if that gets improved , you know , or  or   or worsened  by the  looking at regular energy , looking at log energy , we were just proposing that maybe it 's  you know , it 's harder to  see with the log energy , um and uh also these different normalizations , does a particular choice of normalization make it better ?

But I had maybe made it too complicated by suggesting early on , that you look at scatter plots because that 's looking at a distribution in two dimensions. Let 's start off just in one , uh , with this feature.


But I had maybe made it too complicated by suggesting early on , that you look at scatter plots because that 's looking at a distribution in two dimensions. Let 's start off just in one , uh , with this feature.

I think that 's probably the most basic thing , before anything very complicated.


I think that 's probably the most basic thing , before anything very complicated.

Um And then we w I think we 're agreed that pitch - related things are  are  are going to be a  a really likely candidate to help.


Um And then we w I think we 're agreed that pitch - related things are  are  are going to be a  a really likely candidate to help.


Um And then we w I think we 're agreed that pitch - related things are  are  are going to be a  a really likely candidate to help.

Um  But  since   uh your intuition from looking at some of the data , is that when you looked at the regular energy , that it did in fact usually go up ,  when two people were talking ,  that 's  eh you know , you should be able to come up with a measure which will  match your intuition.


Um  But  since   uh your intuition from looking at some of the data , is that when you looked at the regular energy , that it did in fact usually go up ,  when two people were talking ,  that 's  eh you know , you should be able to come up with a measure which will  match your intuition.


Um  But  since   uh your intuition from looking at some of the data , is that when you looked at the regular energy , that it did in fact usually go up ,  when two people were talking ,  that 's  eh you know , you should be able to come up with a measure which will  match your intuition.

And she 's right , that a  that having a  having   having this table , with a whole bunch of things ,  with the standard deviation , the variance and so forth , it 's  it 's  it 's harder to interpret than just looking at the  the same kind of picture you have here.


Um  But  since   uh your intuition from looking at some of the data , is that when you looked at the regular energy , that it did in fact usually go up ,  when two people were talking ,  that 's  eh you know , you should be able to come up with a measure which will  match your intuition.

And she 's right , that a  that having a  having   having this table , with a whole bunch of things ,  with the standard deviation , the variance and so forth , it 's  it 's  it 's harder to interpret than just looking at the  the same kind of picture you have here.

But  Uh - huh. Yeah. But  It  it 's curious but uh I f I found it in the  in the mixed file , in one channel  that eh in several  oh e eh several times eh you have an speaker talking alone with a high level of energy


And she 's right , that a  that having a  having   having this table , with a whole bunch of things ,  with the standard deviation , the variance and so forth , it 's  it 's  it 's harder to interpret than just looking at the  the same kind of picture you have here.

But  Uh - huh. Yeah. But  It  it 's curious but uh I f I found it in the  in the mixed file , in one channel  that eh in several  oh e eh several times eh you have an speaker talking alone with a high level of energy


And she 's right , that a  that having a  having   having this table , with a whole bunch of things ,  with the standard deviation , the variance and so forth , it 's  it 's  it 's harder to interpret than just looking at the  the same kind of picture you have here.

But  Uh - huh. Yeah. But  It  it 's curious but uh I f I found it in the  in the mixed file , in one channel  that eh in several  oh e eh several times eh you have an speaker talking alone with a high level of energy

eh in the middle eh a zone of overlapping with mmm less energy


But  Uh - huh. Yeah. But  It  it 's curious but uh I f I found it in the  in the mixed file , in one channel  that eh in several  oh e eh several times eh you have an speaker talking alone with a high level of energy

eh in the middle eh a zone of overlapping with mmm less energy


eh in the middle eh a zone of overlapping with mmm less energy

and eh come with another speaker with high energy


and eh come with another speaker with high energy

and the overlapping zone has eh less energy.


and eh come with another speaker with high energy

and the overlapping zone has eh less energy.

Yeah. So there 'll be some cases for which


and the overlapping zone has eh less energy.

Yeah. So there 'll be some cases for which


Yeah. So there 'll be some cases for which


This is   I w want to point  to visual things , But I mean they  there 'll be time  There 'll be overlap between the distributions , but the question is , " If it 's a reasonable feature at all , there 's some separation. "


And  I was just going to say that  that  right now we 're just exploring.


And  I was just going to say that  that  right now we 're just exploring.

What you would imagine eventually , is that you 'll feed all of these features into some  discriminative system.


What you would imagine eventually , is that you 'll feed all of these features into some  discriminative system.


What you would imagine eventually , is that you 'll feed all of these features into some  discriminative system.

And so even if  if one of the features does a good job at one type of overlap , another feature might do a good job at another type of overlap.


And so even if  if one of the features does a good job at one type of overlap , another feature might do a good job at another type of overlap.


And so even if  if one of the features does a good job at one type of overlap , another feature might do a good job at another type of overlap.

Right. I mean the  the reason I had suggested the scatter f p features is I used to do this a lot , when we had thirteen or fifteen or twenty features  to look at.


Right. I mean the  the reason I had suggested the scatter f p features is I used to do this a lot , when we had thirteen or fifteen or twenty features  to look at.

um Because something is a good feature uh by itself , you don't really know how it 'll behave in combination and so it 's nice to have as many  as many together at the same time as possible in uh in some reasonable visual form. There 's cool graphic things people have had sometimes to put together three or four in some funny  funny way. But it 's true that you shouldn't do any of that unless you know that the individual ones , at least , have  have some uh  some hope


um Because something is a good feature uh by itself , you don't really know how it 'll behave in combination and so it 's nice to have as many  as many together at the same time as possible in uh in some reasonable visual form. There 's cool graphic things people have had sometimes to put together three or four in some funny  funny way. But it 's true that you shouldn't do any of that unless you know that the individual ones , at least , have  have some uh  some hope


I mean , it 's really important to  pick a normalization that matches the distribution for that feature.


I mean , it 's really important to  pick a normalization that matches the distribution for that feature.

And it may not be the same for all the types of overlaps or the windows may not be the same. e Actually , I was wondering ,  right now you 're taking a  all of the  speech , from the whole meeting , and you 're trying to find points of overlap , but we don't really know which speaker is overlapping with which speaker ,


And it may not be the same for all the types of overlaps or the windows may not be the same. e Actually , I was wondering ,  right now you 're taking a  all of the  speech , from the whole meeting , and you 're trying to find points of overlap , but we don't really know which speaker is overlapping with which speaker ,

right ? So I mean another way would just be to take the speech from just , say , Morgan , And just Jane and then just their overlaps ,


right ? So I mean another way would just be to take the speech from just , say , Morgan , And just Jane and then just their overlaps ,

like  but by hand , by cheating , and looking at you know , if you can detect something that way , because if we can't do it that way , there 's no good way that we 're going to be able to do it.


like  but by hand , by cheating , and looking at you know , if you can detect something that way , because if we can't do it that way , there 's no good way that we 're going to be able to do it.

That  You know , there might be something helpful and cleaner about looking at just  individuals and then that combination alone.


That  You know , there might be something helpful and cleaner about looking at just  individuals and then that combination alone.


The m the right model will be  easier to see that way. So if  I don't know , if you go through and you find Adam , cuz he has a lot of overlaps and some other speaker who also has e enough speech


The m the right model will be  easier to see that way. So if  I don't know , if you go through and you find Adam , cuz he has a lot of overlaps and some other speaker who also has e enough speech

and just sort of look at those three cases of Adam and the other person and the overlaps ,


and just sort of look at those three cases of Adam and the other person and the overlaps ,

maybe  and just look at the distributions , maybe there is a clear pattern


maybe  and just look at the distributions , maybe there is a clear pattern

but we just can't see it because there 's too many combinations of  of people that can overlap.


but we just can't see it because there 's too many combinations of  of people that can overlap.

I had the same intuition last  last  last week.


I had the same intuition last  last  last week.


I had the same intuition last  last  last week.

I think it 's  to start with it 's s your  your idea of simplifying , starting with something that  you can see  eh you know without the  extra  layers of


I think it 's  to start with it 's s your  your idea of simplifying , starting with something that  you can see  eh you know without the  extra  layers of

Right. Cuz if energy doesn't matter there , like  I don't think this is true , but what if


Right. Cuz if energy doesn't matter there , like  I don't think this is true , but what if


Well , you  you  you don't have to study everybody individually


Well , you  you  you don't have to study everybody individually

Well , to study the simplest case to get rid of extra


Well , you  you  you don't have to study everybody individually

Well , to study the simplest case to get rid of extra

but  just simple case and the one that has the lot of data associated with it.


Well , to study the simplest case to get rid of extra

but  just simple case and the one that has the lot of data associated with it.

Right. Cuz what if it 's the case and I don't think this is true


but  just simple case and the one that has the lot of data associated with it.

Right. Cuz what if it 's the case and I don't think this is true


but  just simple case and the one that has the lot of data associated with it.

Right. Cuz what if it 's the case and I don't think this is true

What if it 's the case that when two people overlap they equate their  you know , there 's a  conservation of energy and everybody  both people talk more softly ? I don't think this happens at all.


Right. Cuz what if it 's the case and I don't think this is true

What if it 's the case that when two people overlap they equate their  you know , there 's a  conservation of energy and everybody  both people talk more softly ? I don't think this happens at all.

Or  or what if what if the equipment  what if the equipment adjusts somehow ,


What if it 's the case that when two people overlap they equate their  you know , there 's a  conservation of energy and everybody  both people talk more softly ? I don't think this happens at all.

Or  or what if what if the equipment  what if the equipment adjusts somehow ,


Or  or what if what if the equipment  what if the equipment adjusts somehow ,


Well , but  But I think that 's what I was saying about different types of overlap.


There are  there are different types , and within those types , like as Jose was saying , that  sounded like a backchannel overlap , meaning the kind that 's  a friendly encouragement , like " Mm - hmm. " , " Great ! " , " Yeah ! "


There are  there are different types , and within those types , like as Jose was saying , that  sounded like a backchannel overlap , meaning the kind that 's  a friendly encouragement , like " Mm - hmm. " , " Great ! " , " Yeah ! "

And it doesn't take  you don't take the floor. Um , but , some of those , as you showed , I think can be discriminated by the duration of the overlap.


And it doesn't take  you don't take the floor. Um , but , some of those , as you showed , I think can be discriminated by the duration of the overlap.

So. It  Actually the s new student , Don , who um Adam has met , and he was at one of our meetings  He 's  getting his feet wet and then he 'll be starting again  in mid - January. He 's interested in trying to distinguish the types of overlap. I don't know if he 's talked with you yet. But in sort of honing in on these different types


And it doesn't take  you don't take the floor. Um , but , some of those , as you showed , I think can be discriminated by the duration of the overlap.

So. It  Actually the s new student , Don , who um Adam has met , and he was at one of our meetings  He 's  getting his feet wet and then he 'll be starting again  in mid - January. He 's interested in trying to distinguish the types of overlap. I don't know if he 's talked with you yet. But in sort of honing in on these different types

Yeah. I don't consi Now I don't consider that possibility.


So. It  Actually the s new student , Don , who um Adam has met , and he was at one of our meetings  He 's  getting his feet wet and then he 'll be starting again  in mid - January. He 's interested in trying to distinguish the types of overlap. I don't know if he 's talked with you yet. But in sort of honing in on these different types

Yeah. I don't consi Now I don't consider that possibility.


So. It  Actually the s new student , Don , who um Adam has met , and he was at one of our meetings  He 's  getting his feet wet and then he 'll be starting again  in mid - January. He 's interested in trying to distinguish the types of overlap. I don't know if he 's talked with you yet. But in sort of honing in on these different types

Yeah. I don't consi Now I don't consider that possibility.

This is a s a general studio of the overlapping we 're studying the  i


Yeah. I don't consi Now I don't consider that possibility.

This is a s a general studio of the overlapping we 're studying the  i

Yeah. Well  I  I  I  I would s actually still recommend that he do the overall thing


This is a s a general studio of the overlapping we 're studying the  i

Yeah. Well  I  I  I  I would s actually still recommend that he do the overall thing

So it might be something that we can  help by categorizing some of them and then , you know , look at that.


This is a s a general studio of the overlapping we 're studying the  i

Yeah. Well  I  I  I  I would s actually still recommend that he do the overall thing

So it might be something that we can  help by categorizing some of them and then , you know , look at that.

because  it would be the quickest thing for him to do. He could  You see , he already has all his stuff in place ,


Yeah. Well  I  I  I  I would s actually still recommend that he do the overall thing

So it might be something that we can  help by categorizing some of them and then , you know , look at that.

because  it would be the quickest thing for him to do. He could  You see , he already has all his stuff in place ,


So it might be something that we can  help by categorizing some of them and then , you know , look at that.

because  it would be the quickest thing for him to do. He could  You see , he already has all his stuff in place ,

he has the histogram mechanism , he has the stuff that subtracts out  and all he has to do is change it uh uh from  from log to plain energy and plot the histogram and look at it. And then he should go on and do the other stuff bec but  But this will


because  it would be the quickest thing for him to do. He could  You see , he already has all his stuff in place ,

he has the histogram mechanism , he has the stuff that subtracts out  and all he has to do is change it uh uh from  from log to plain energy and plot the histogram and look at it. And then he should go on and do the other stuff bec but  But this will

Yeah. Yeah , no. I didn't mean that  that  for you to do that , but I was thinking if  if Don and I are trying to get  categories


he has the histogram mechanism , he has the stuff that subtracts out  and all he has to do is change it uh uh from  from log to plain energy and plot the histogram and look at it. And then he should go on and do the other stuff bec but  But this will

Yeah. Yeah , no. I didn't mean that  that  for you to do that , but I was thinking if  if Don and I are trying to get  categories


he has the histogram mechanism , he has the stuff that subtracts out  and all he has to do is change it uh uh from  from log to plain energy and plot the histogram and look at it. And then he should go on and do the other stuff bec but  But this will

Yeah. Yeah , no. I didn't mean that  that  for you to do that , but I was thinking if  if Don and I are trying to get  categories

and we label some data for you , and we say this is what we think is going  So you don't have to worry about it. And here 's the three types of overlaps.


Yeah. Yeah , no. I didn't mean that  that  for you to do that , but I was thinking if  if Don and I are trying to get  categories

and we label some data for you , and we say this is what we think is going  So you don't have to worry about it. And here 's the three types of overlaps.


and we label some data for you , and we say this is what we think is going  So you don't have to worry about it. And here 's the three types of overlaps.

And we 'll  we 'll do the labelling for you.


And we 'll  we 'll do the labelling for you.


Yeah , that we would be working on anyway.


Yeah , that we would be working on anyway.

Then maybe  you can try some different things for those three cases , and see if that helps , or


Yeah , that we would be working on anyway.

Then maybe  you can try some different things for those three cases , and see if that helps , or

Yeah. Yeah. This is the thing I  I comment with you before , that uh we have a great variation of th situation of overlapping.


Then maybe  you can try some different things for those three cases , and see if that helps , or

Yeah. Yeah. This is the thing I  I comment with you before , that uh we have a great variation of th situation of overlapping.


Then maybe  you can try some different things for those three cases , and see if that helps , or

Yeah. Yeah. This is the thing I  I comment with you before , that uh we have a great variation of th situation of overlapping.

And the behavior for energy is , uh log energy ,  is not uh the same all the time.


Yeah. Yeah. This is the thing I  I comment with you before , that uh we have a great variation of th situation of overlapping.

And the behavior for energy is , uh log energy ,  is not uh the same all the time.


And the behavior for energy is , uh log energy ,  is not uh the same all the time.


And the behavior for energy is , uh log energy ,  is not uh the same all the time.

But I guess I was just saying that  that right now uh from the means that you gave , I don't have any sense of whether even , you know , there are any significant number of cases for which there is distinct  and I would imagine there should be some  you know , there should be  The distributions should be somewhat separated.


But I guess I was just saying that  that right now uh from the means that you gave , I don't have any sense of whether even , you know , there are any significant number of cases for which there is distinct  and I would imagine there should be some  you know , there should be  The distributions should be somewhat separated.


But I guess I was just saying that  that right now uh from the means that you gave , I don't have any sense of whether even , you know , there are any significant number of cases for which there is distinct  and I would imagine there should be some  you know , there should be  The distributions should be somewhat separated.

Uh and I  I would still guess that if they are not separated at all , that there 's some  there 's  there 's most likely something wrong in the way that we 're measuring it.


Uh and I  I would still guess that if they are not separated at all , that there 's some  there 's  there 's most likely something wrong in the way that we 're measuring it.

Um , but  um For instance , I mean I wouldn't expect that it was very common overall , that when two people were talking at the same time , that it would  that it really was lower ,


Um , but  um For instance , I mean I wouldn't expect that it was very common overall , that when two people were talking at the same time , that it would  that it really was lower ,

although sometimes , as you say , it would.


although sometimes , as you say , it would.


or a sort of , a case where  where you would never know that unless you actually go and look at two individuals.


or a sort of , a case where  where you would never know that unless you actually go and look at two individuals.

I mean. No. It could  it probably does happen sometimes.


I mean. No. It could  it probably does happen sometimes.


It might the case , though , that the significant energy , just as Jose was saying , comes in the non - backchannel cases. Because in back Most people when they 're talking don't change their own  energy when they get a backchannel , cuz they 're not really predicting the backchannel.


It might the case , though , that the significant energy , just as Jose was saying , comes in the non - backchannel cases. Because in back Most people when they 're talking don't change their own  energy when they get a backchannel , cuz they 're not really predicting the backchannel.

And sometimes it 's a nod and sometimes it 's an " mm - hmm ".


And sometimes it 's a nod and sometimes it 's an " mm - hmm ".

And the " mm - hmm " is really usually very low energy.


And the " mm - hmm " is really usually very low energy.

So maybe those don't actually have much difference in energy. But  all the other cases might.


And the " mm - hmm " is really usually very low energy.

So maybe those don't actually have much difference in energy. But  all the other cases might.

e  e and  and again what they  what difference there was would kind of be lost in taking the log ,


So maybe those don't actually have much difference in energy. But  all the other cases might.

e  e and  and again what they  what difference there was would kind of be lost in taking the log ,

and the backchannels are sort of easy to spot s in terms of their words or  I mean , just listen to it.


e  e and  and again what they  what difference there was would kind of be lost in taking the log ,

and the backchannels are sort of easy to spot s in terms of their words or  I mean , just listen to it.


and the backchannels are sort of easy to spot s in terms of their words or  I mean , just listen to it.


Well , it would be lost  no matter what you do.


I mean , even if you take the log , you can  your model just has a more sensitive  measures.


Yeah , you 're " mm - hmm " tone is going to be very different.


Yeah , you 're " mm - hmm " tone is going to be very different.

You could imagine doing specialized ones for different types of backchannels , if you could  if you had a good model for it. Your " mm - hmm " detector.


Yeah , you 're " mm - hmm " tone is going to be very different.

You could imagine doing specialized ones for different types of backchannels , if you could  if you had a good model for it. Your " mm - hmm " detector.

If  if you 're  a I guess my point is , if you 're doing essentially a linear separation , taking the log first does in fact make it harder to separate.


You could imagine doing specialized ones for different types of backchannels , if you could  if you had a good model for it. Your " mm - hmm " detector.

If  if you 're  a I guess my point is , if you 're doing essentially a linear separation , taking the log first does in fact make it harder to separate.


You could imagine doing specialized ones for different types of backchannels , if you could  if you had a good model for it. Your " mm - hmm " detector.

If  if you 're  a I guess my point is , if you 're doing essentially a linear separation , taking the log first does in fact make it harder to separate.

So it 's  So , uh if you i i So i if there  if there close to things it does


If  if you 're  a I guess my point is , if you 're doing essentially a linear separation , taking the log first does in fact make it harder to separate.

So it 's  So , uh if you i i So i if there  if there close to things it does


So it 's  So , uh if you i i So i if there  if there close to things it does


So it 's  So , uh if you i i So i if there  if there close to things it does

it 's a nonlinear operation that does in fact change the distinction. If you 're doing a non if you 're doing some fancy thing then  then yeah. And right now we 're essentially doing this linear thing by looking across here and  and saying we 're going to cut it here. Um and that  that 's the indicator that we 're getting. But anyway , yeah , we 're not  disagreeing on any of this , we should look at it more uh  more finely , but uh uh I think that  This often happens , you do fairly complicated things , and then you stand back from them and you realize that you haven't done something simple. So uh , if you generated something like that just for the energy and see , and then , a a a as  as Liz says , when they g have uh uh smaller um , more coherent groups to look at , that would be another interesting thing later.


it 's a nonlinear operation that does in fact change the distinction. If you 're doing a non if you 're doing some fancy thing then  then yeah. And right now we 're essentially doing this linear thing by looking across here and  and saying we 're going to cut it here. Um and that  that 's the indicator that we 're getting. But anyway , yeah , we 're not  disagreeing on any of this , we should look at it more uh  more finely , but uh uh I think that  This often happens , you do fairly complicated things , and then you stand back from them and you realize that you haven't done something simple. So uh , if you generated something like that just for the energy and see , and then , a a a as  as Liz says , when they g have uh uh smaller um , more coherent groups to look at , that would be another interesting thing later.


it 's a nonlinear operation that does in fact change the distinction. If you 're doing a non if you 're doing some fancy thing then  then yeah. And right now we 're essentially doing this linear thing by looking across here and  and saying we 're going to cut it here. Um and that  that 's the indicator that we 're getting. But anyway , yeah , we 're not  disagreeing on any of this , we should look at it more uh  more finely , but uh uh I think that  This often happens , you do fairly complicated things , and then you stand back from them and you realize that you haven't done something simple. So uh , if you generated something like that just for the energy and see , and then , a a a as  as Liz says , when they g have uh uh smaller um , more coherent groups to look at , that would be another interesting thing later.

And then that should give us some indication  between those , should give us some indication of whether there 's anything to be achieved f from energy at all.


And then that should give us some indication  between those , should give us some indication of whether there 's anything to be achieved f from energy at all.

And then you can move on to the uh  uh more  pitch related stuff.


And then that should give us some indication  between those , should give us some indication of whether there 's anything to be achieved f from energy at all.

And then you can move on to the uh  uh more  pitch related stuff.

Mm - hmm. I  I  I think this is a good idea.


And then you can move on to the uh  uh more  pitch related stuff.

Mm - hmm. I  I  I think this is a good idea.


Mm - hmm. I  I  I think this is a good idea.


Yeah. But then the  Have you started looking at the pitch related  stuff at all , or  ? Pitch  related ?


Yeah. But then the  Have you started looking at the pitch related  stuff at all , or  ? Pitch  related ?

I  I 'm preparing the  the program but I don't  I don't begin because eh  I saw your email


I  I 'm preparing the  the program but I don't  I don't begin because eh  I saw your email


I  I 'm preparing the  the program but I don't  I don't begin because eh  I saw your email

and  I agree with you it 's better to  I suppose it 's better to  to consider the  the energy this kind of parameter  bef


I  I 'm preparing the  the program but I don't  I don't begin because eh  I saw your email

and  I agree with you it 's better to  I suppose it 's better to  to consider the  the energy this kind of parameter  bef

Yeah. Oh , that 's not what I meant. No , no. I  I  I  I  Well , we certainly should see this but I  I  I  I think that the harm I certainly wasn't saying this was better than the harmonicity and pitch related things I was just saying


and  I agree with you it 's better to  I suppose it 's better to  to consider the  the energy this kind of parameter  bef

Yeah. Oh , that 's not what I meant. No , no. I  I  I  I  Well , we certainly should see this but I  I  I  I think that the harm I certainly wasn't saying this was better than the harmonicity and pitch related things I was just saying


Yeah. Oh , that 's not what I meant. No , no. I  I  I  I  Well , we certainly should see this but I  I  I  I think that the harm I certainly wasn't saying this was better than the harmonicity and pitch related things I was just saying


I  I  I  I understood uh that eh  I  I had to finish  by the moment with the  and  and concentrate my  my energy in that problem.


I  I  I  I understood uh that eh  I  I had to finish  by the moment with the  and  and concentrate my  my energy in that problem.

OK. OK.  OK. But I think , like , all these derivatives and second derivatives and all these other very fancy things , I think I would just sort of look at the energy  and then get into the harmonicity as  as a suggestion.


I  I  I  I understood uh that eh  I  I had to finish  by the moment with the  and  and concentrate my  my energy in that problem.

OK. OK.  OK. But I think , like , all these derivatives and second derivatives and all these other very fancy things , I think I would just sort of look at the energy  and then get into the harmonicity as  as a suggestion.

Uh OK. So maybe uh since w we 're trying to uh compress the meeting , um , I know Adam had some form stuff he wanted to talk about and did you have some ?


OK. OK.  OK. But I think , like , all these derivatives and second derivatives and all these other very fancy things , I think I would just sort of look at the energy  and then get into the harmonicity as  as a suggestion.

Uh OK. So maybe uh since w we 're trying to uh compress the meeting , um , I know Adam had some form stuff he wanted to talk about and did you have some ?

I wanted to ask just s something on the end of this top topic. So , when I presented my results about the uh distribution of overlaps and the speakers and the profiles of the speakers , at the bottom of that I did have a proposal ,


Uh OK. So maybe uh since w we 're trying to uh compress the meeting , um , I know Adam had some form stuff he wanted to talk about and did you have some ?

I wanted to ask just s something on the end of this top topic. So , when I presented my results about the uh distribution of overlaps and the speakers and the profiles of the speakers , at the bottom of that I did have a proposal ,


Uh OK. So maybe uh since w we 're trying to uh compress the meeting , um , I know Adam had some form stuff he wanted to talk about and did you have some ?

I wanted to ask just s something on the end of this top topic. So , when I presented my results about the uh distribution of overlaps and the speakers and the profiles of the speakers , at the bottom of that I did have a proposal ,

and I had plan to go through with it , of  of co coding the types of overlaps that people were involved in s just with reference to speaker style so , you know , with reference


I wanted to ask just s something on the end of this top topic. So , when I presented my results about the uh distribution of overlaps and the speakers and the profiles of the speakers , at the bottom of that I did have a proposal ,

and I had plan to go through with it , of  of co coding the types of overlaps that people were involved in s just with reference to speaker style so , you know , with reference


and I had plan to go through with it , of  of co coding the types of overlaps that people were involved in s just with reference to speaker style so , you know , with reference

and you know I said that on my  in my summary ,


and you know I said that on my  in my summary ,

that  you know so it 's like people may have different amounts of being overlapped with or overlapping


that  you know so it 's like people may have different amounts of being overlapped with or overlapping

but that in itself is not informative without knowing what types of overlaps they 're involved in so I was planning to do a taxonomy of types overlaps with reference to that.


but that in itself is not informative without knowing what types of overlaps they 're involved in so I was planning to do a taxonomy of types overlaps with reference to that.

So , but it you know it 's like it sounds like you also have uh something in that direction.


So , but it you know it 's like it sounds like you also have uh something in that direction.


We have nothing  You know , basically , we got  his environment set up. He 's  he 's a double - E  you know. So. It 's mostly that ,  if we had to  label it ourselves , we  we would or we 'd have to , to get started , but if   It  it would be much better if you can do it. You 'd be much better  at doing it also because  you know , I  I 'm not  I don't have a good feel for how they should be sorted out ,


We have nothing  You know , basically , we got  his environment set up. He 's  he 's a double - E  you know. So. It 's mostly that ,  if we had to  label it ourselves , we  we would or we 'd have to , to get started , but if   It  it would be much better if you can do it. You 'd be much better  at doing it also because  you know , I  I 'm not  I don't have a good feel for how they should be sorted out ,

and I really didn't wanna go into that if I didn't have to. So if  If you 're w willing to do that or  or


We have nothing  You know , basically , we got  his environment set up. He 's  he 's a double - E  you know. So. It 's mostly that ,  if we had to  label it ourselves , we  we would or we 'd have to , to get started , but if   It  it would be much better if you can do it. You 'd be much better  at doing it also because  you know , I  I 'm not  I don't have a good feel for how they should be sorted out ,

and I really didn't wanna go into that if I didn't have to. So if  If you 're w willing to do that or  or

It would be interesting , though , to talk , maybe not at the meeting , but at some other time about what are the classes.


and I really didn't wanna go into that if I didn't have to. So if  If you 're w willing to do that or  or

It would be interesting , though , to talk , maybe not at the meeting , but at some other time about what are the classes.


It would be interesting , though , to talk , maybe not at the meeting , but at some other time about what are the classes.


I think that 's a research  effort in and of itself ,


I think that 's a research  effort in and of itself ,

because you can read the literature , but I don't know how it 'll  turn out


because you can read the literature , but I don't know how it 'll  turn out


because you can read the literature , but I don't know how it 'll  turn out

and , You know , it 's always an interesting question.


because you can read the literature , but I don't know how it 'll  turn out

and , You know , it 's always an interesting question.

It seems like we also s with reference to a purpose , too , that we we 'd want to have them coded.


and , You know , it 's always an interesting question.

It seems like we also s with reference to a purpose , too , that we we 'd want to have them coded.

I would think it 's interesting , yeah. Yeah.


It seems like we also s with reference to a purpose , too , that we we 'd want to have them coded.

I would think it 's interesting , yeah. Yeah.


I would think it 's interesting , yeah. Yeah.


And we 'd still have some  funding for this project ,


And we 'd still have some  funding for this project ,

like probably , if we had to hire some  like an undergrad , because uh Don is being covered half time on something else


like probably , if we had to hire some  like an undergrad , because uh Don is being covered half time on something else

I mean , he  we 're not paying him  the full RA - ship for  all the time. So.  um If we got it to where we wanted  we needed someone to do that  I don't think there 's really enough data where  where


like probably , if we had to hire some  like an undergrad , because uh Don is being covered half time on something else

I mean , he  we 're not paying him  the full RA - ship for  all the time. So.  um If we got it to where we wanted  we needed someone to do that  I don't think there 's really enough data where  where

Mm - hmm. Yeah , I see this as a prototype , to use the only the  the already transcribed meeting as just a prototype.


I mean , he  we 're not paying him  the full RA - ship for  all the time. So.  um If we got it to where we wanted  we needed someone to do that  I don't think there 's really enough data where  where

Mm - hmm. Yeah , I see this as a prototype , to use the only the  the already transcribed meeting as just a prototype.


Mm - hmm. Yeah , I see this as a prototype , to use the only the  the already transcribed meeting as just a prototype.

I  I think a a another parameter we c we  we can consider is eh the  duration.


I  I think a a another parameter we c we  we can consider is eh the  duration.


I  I think a a another parameter we c we  we can consider is eh the  duration.

Another e e m besides eh the  the class of overlap , the duration. Because is possible  eh some s s um eh some classes eh has eh  a type of a duration , eh ,  a duration very short uh when we have   we have overlapping with speech.


Another e e m besides eh the  the class of overlap , the duration. Because is possible  eh some s s um eh some classes eh has eh  a type of a duration , eh ,  a duration very short uh when we have   we have overlapping with speech.


Another e e m besides eh the  the class of overlap , the duration. Because is possible  eh some s s um eh some classes eh has eh  a type of a duration , eh ,  a duration very short uh when we have   we have overlapping with speech.

Yeah , maybe  It may be correlated. Mm - hmm.


Yeah , maybe  It may be correlated. Mm - hmm.

Is possible to have. And it 's interesting ,  I think ,  to consider the  the window of normalization , normalization window. Eh  because eh if we have a type of ,  a kind of eh overlap , eh backchannel overlap , with a short duration , is possible  eh to normali i i that if we normalize eh with eh  eh consider only the  the eh window eh by the left eh ri eh  side on the right side overlapping with a  a very  eh oh a small window eh the  if the fit of normalization is eh mmm bigger eh in that overlapping zone eh very short


Yeah , maybe  It may be correlated. Mm - hmm.

Is possible to have. And it 's interesting ,  I think ,  to consider the  the window of normalization , normalization window. Eh  because eh if we have a type of ,  a kind of eh overlap , eh backchannel overlap , with a short duration , is possible  eh to normali i i that if we normalize eh with eh  eh consider only the  the eh window eh by the left eh ri eh  side on the right side overlapping with a  a very  eh oh a small window eh the  if the fit of normalization is eh mmm bigger eh in that overlapping zone eh very short

Yeah , that 's true. The window shouldn't be larger than the backchannel.


Is possible to have. And it 's interesting ,  I think ,  to consider the  the window of normalization , normalization window. Eh  because eh if we have a type of ,  a kind of eh overlap , eh backchannel overlap , with a short duration , is possible  eh to normali i i that if we normalize eh with eh  eh consider only the  the eh window eh by the left eh ri eh  side on the right side overlapping with a  a very  eh oh a small window eh the  if the fit of normalization is eh mmm bigger eh in that overlapping zone eh very short

Yeah , that 's true. The window shouldn't be larger than the backchannel.

I  I me I  I understand. I mean that you have eh you have a backchannel , eh , eh  you have a overlapping zone very short


Yeah , that 's true. The window shouldn't be larger than the backchannel.

I  I me I  I understand. I mean that you have eh you have a backchannel , eh , eh  you have a overlapping zone very short


Yeah , that 's true. The window shouldn't be larger than the backchannel.

I  I me I  I understand. I mean that you have eh you have a backchannel , eh , eh  you have a overlapping zone very short

and you consider eh n eh all the channel to normalize this very short eh


I  I me I  I understand. I mean that you have eh you have a backchannel , eh , eh  you have a overlapping zone very short

and you consider eh n eh all the channel to normalize this very short eh


and you consider eh n eh all the channel to normalize this very short eh

for example " mmm mm - hmm hmm " eh And the energy is not eh height eh I think if you consider all the channel to normalize and the channel is  mmm bigger  eh eh eh compared with the  with the overlapping eh duration ,


for example " mmm mm - hmm hmm " eh And the energy is not eh height eh I think if you consider all the channel to normalize and the channel is  mmm bigger  eh eh eh compared with the  with the overlapping eh duration ,

eh the effect is mmm stronger eh  that I  I mean the  the e effect of the normalization eh with the mean and the  and the variance eh is different that if you consider  only a  window compared eh with the n the duration of overlapping.


for example " mmm mm - hmm hmm " eh And the energy is not eh height eh I think if you consider all the channel to normalize and the channel is  mmm bigger  eh eh eh compared with the  with the overlapping eh duration ,

eh the effect is mmm stronger eh  that I  I mean the  the e effect of the normalization eh with the mean and the  and the variance eh is different that if you consider  only a  window compared eh with the n the duration of overlapping.

Mm - hmm. You  you want it around the overlapping part.


eh the effect is mmm stronger eh  that I  I mean the  the e effect of the normalization eh with the mean and the  and the variance eh is different that if you consider  only a  window compared eh with the n the duration of overlapping.

Mm - hmm. You  you want it around the overlapping part.


eh the effect is mmm stronger eh  that I  I mean the  the e effect of the normalization eh with the mean and the  and the variance eh is different that if you consider  only a  window compared eh with the n the duration of overlapping.

Mm - hmm. You  you want it around the overlapping part.

You want it to include something that 's not in overlapping


Mm - hmm. You  you want it around the overlapping part.

You want it to include something that 's not in overlapping


You want it to include something that 's not in overlapping


Well it 's a sliding window , right ? So if you take the  the measure in the center of the overlapped  piece , you know , there 'd better be some something.


Well it 's a sliding window , right ? So if you take the  the measure in the center of the overlapped  piece , you know , there 'd better be some something.

But if your window is really huge then yeah you 're right you won't even


But if your window is really huge then yeah you 're right you won't even

Yeah , This is the  This is the  the idea ,  to consider only the  the small window near  near  near the  the overlapping zone.


But if your window is really huge then yeah you 're right you won't even

Yeah , This is the  This is the  the idea ,  to consider only the  the small window near  near  near the  the overlapping zone.

The portion of the   of the backchannel won't  won't effect anything. But you  Yeah. So. You know , you shouldn't be more than like   You should definitely not be three times as big as your  as your  backchannel.


Yeah , This is the  This is the  the idea ,  to consider only the  the small window near  near  near the  the overlapping zone.

The portion of the   of the backchannel won't  won't effect anything. But you  Yeah. So. You know , you shouldn't be more than like   You should definitely not be three times as big as your  as your  backchannel.


The portion of the   of the backchannel won't  won't effect anything. But you  Yeah. So. You know , you shouldn't be more than like   You should definitely not be three times as big as your  as your  backchannel.

Then you 're gonna w have a wash. And hopefully it 's more like on the order of


Then you 're gonna w have a wash. And hopefully it 's more like on the order of

I 'm not sure that 's  necessarily true.


Then you 're gonna w have a wash. And hopefully it 's more like on the order of

I 'm not sure that 's  necessarily true.

It is an empirical question , it seems like.


I 'm not sure that 's  necessarily true.

It is an empirical question , it seems like.

Because  because it  because um again if you 're just compensating for the gain ,


It is an empirical question , it seems like.

Because  because it  because um again if you 're just compensating for the gain ,


Because  because it  because um again if you 're just compensating for the gain ,


you know , the fact that this  this gain thing was crude , and the gain wh if someone is speaking relatively at consistent level , just to  to give a  an extreme example , all you 're doing is compensating for that. And then you still s And then if you look at the frame with respect to that , it still should  should uh change


you know , the fact that this  this gain thing was crude , and the gain wh if someone is speaking relatively at consistent level , just to  to give a  an extreme example , all you 're doing is compensating for that. And then you still s And then if you look at the frame with respect to that , it still should  should uh change

Yeah , it depends how different your normalization is , as you slide your window across.


you know , the fact that this  this gain thing was crude , and the gain wh if someone is speaking relatively at consistent level , just to  to give a  an extreme example , all you 're doing is compensating for that. And then you still s And then if you look at the frame with respect to that , it still should  should uh change

Yeah , it depends how different your normalization is , as you slide your window across.

I mean. That 's something we don't know.


Yeah , it depends how different your normalization is , as you slide your window across.

I mean. That 's something we don't know.


I mean. That 's something we don't know.

Well , I mean we 're also talking about a couple of different things.


Well , I mean we 're also talking about a couple of different things.

I mean , one is your analysis window and then the other is any sort of normalization that you 're doing.


Well , I mean we 're also talking about a couple of different things.

I mean , one is your analysis window and then the other is any sort of normalization that you 're doing.

Yeah I was talking about the n normalization window.


I mean , one is your analysis window and then the other is any sort of normalization that you 're doing.

Yeah I was talking about the n normalization window.

And the  And they could be quite different.


Yeah I was talking about the n normalization window.

And the  And they could be quite different.


And the  And they could be quite different.


This was sort of where  where we were last week.


This was sort of where  where we were last week.

But , anyway We  we 'll have to look at some core things.


But , anyway We  we 'll have to look at some core things.


But , anyway We  we 'll have to look at some core things.

Um. But that 'd be great if  if you 're marking those


Um. But that 'd be great if  if you 're marking those


But it is definitely true that we need to have the time marks ,


But it is definitely true that we need to have the time marks ,

and I was assuming that will be inherited because , if you have the words and they 're roughly aligned in time via forced alignment or whatever we end up using , then you know , this  student and I would be looking at the time marks


and I was assuming that will be inherited because , if you have the words and they 're roughly aligned in time via forced alignment or whatever we end up using , then you know , this  student and I would be looking at the time marks

Yep , I agree. Mm - hmm. Coming off of the other


and I was assuming that will be inherited because , if you have the words and they 're roughly aligned in time via forced alignment or whatever we end up using , then you know , this  student and I would be looking at the time marks

Yep , I agree. Mm - hmm. Coming off of the other

and classifying all the frames inside those as whatever labels Jane gave


Yep , I agree. Mm - hmm. Coming off of the other

and classifying all the frames inside those as whatever labels Jane gave

Good. So , it wouldn't be  I wasn't planning to label the time marks.


and classifying all the frames inside those as whatever labels Jane gave

Good. So , it wouldn't be  I wasn't planning to label the time marks.


Good. So , it wouldn't be  I wasn't planning to label the time marks.

I was thinking that that would come from the engineering side ,


I was thinking that that would come from the engineering side ,


Yeah. That should be linked to the words which are linked to time somehow ,


Yeah. That should be linked to the words which are linked to time somehow ,

Well we 're not any time soon going to get a forced alignment.


Well we 're not any time soon going to get a forced alignment.


Um If it 's not hand - marked then we 're not going to get the times.


Um If it 's not hand - marked then we 're not going to get the times.

Well , it 's something that w Well , we  we wouldn't be able to do any work without a forced alignment anyway ,


Um If it 's not hand - marked then we 're not going to get the times.

Well , it 's something that w Well , we  we wouldn't be able to do any work without a forced alignment anyway ,

so somehow if  once he gets going we 're gonna hafta come up with one


Well , it 's something that w Well , we  we wouldn't be able to do any work without a forced alignment anyway ,

so somehow if  once he gets going we 're gonna hafta come up with one


so somehow if  once he gets going we 're gonna hafta come up with one


so somehow if  once he gets going we 're gonna hafta come up with one

I mean w I guess we could do a very bad one with Broadcast News.


I mean w I guess we could do a very bad one with Broadcast News.


I mean w I guess we could do a very bad one with Broadcast News.

So whatever you would label would be attached to the words , I think.


So whatever you would label would be attached to the words , I think.


So whatever you would label would be attached to the words , I think.

Well again for the close  mike stuff , we could come up  take a s take the Switchboard system or something ,


Well again for the close  mike stuff , we could come up  take a s take the Switchboard system or something ,


Well again for the close  mike stuff , we could come up  take a s take the Switchboard system or something ,

It 'd be worth a try. It would be interesting to see what we get.


It 'd be worth a try. It would be interesting to see what we get.

Just , you know , low - pass filter the speech and


It 'd be worth a try. It would be interesting to see what we get.

Just , you know , low - pass filter the speech and

Cuz there 's  there 's a lot of work you can't do without that , I mean , how  how would you


Just , you know , low - pass filter the speech and

Cuz there 's  there 's a lot of work you can't do without that , I mean , how  how would you

You 'd have to go in and measure every start and stop point next to a word


Cuz there 's  there 's a lot of work you can't do without that , I mean , how  how would you

You 'd have to go in and measure every start and stop point next to a word


You 'd have to go in and measure every start and stop point next to a word


You 'd have to go in and measure every start and stop point next to a word

is y if you 're interested in anything to do with words.


is y if you 're interested in anything to do with words.


There 's something we should talk about later but maybe not just now. But , uh , should talk about our options as far as the uh uh  transcription


Are we supposed to keep recording here ?


Nope. One 's a digit form , one 's a speaker form.


Nope. One 's a digit form , one 's a speaker form.

So one is a one time only  speaker form and the other is the digits.


So one is a one time only  speaker form and the other is the digits.

Oh it 's the same. Oh no no. Is  is new Is OK.


Oh it 's the same. Oh no no. Is  is new Is OK.


Oh it 's the same. Oh no no. Is  is new Is OK.

This is just the suggestion for uh what the new forms would look like. So , they incorporate the changes  that we talked about.


This is just the suggestion for uh what the new forms would look like. So , they incorporate the changes  that we talked about.

Date and time. Uh why did you switch the order of the Date and Time fields ? This is rather a low - level , but


This is just the suggestion for uh what the new forms would look like. So , they incorporate the changes  that we talked about.

Date and time. Uh why did you switch the order of the Date and Time fields ? This is rather a low - level , but

On  on the new one , Time comes first and then Date , but I thought


Date and time. Uh why did you switch the order of the Date and Time fields ? This is rather a low - level , but

On  on the new one , Time comes first and then Date , but I thought


On  on the new one , Time comes first and then Date , but I thought

This is  this is rather a low level question , but  but it used  used to be Date came first.


On  on the new one , Time comes first and then Date , but I thought

This is  this is rather a low level question , but  but it used  used to be Date came first.

Uh , because the user fills out the first three fields and I fill out the rest.


This is  this is rather a low level question , but  but it used  used to be Date came first.

Uh , because the user fills out the first three fields and I fill out the rest.


Uh , because the user fills out the first three fields and I fill out the rest.

Well , how would the  How would the user know the time if they didn't know the date ?


Well , how would the  How would the user know the time if they didn't know the date ?

It 's an interesting observation , but it was intentional. Because the date is when you actually read the digits and the time and , excuse me , the time is when you actually read the digits , but I 'm filling out the date beforehand. If you look at the form in front of you ? that you 're going to fill out when you read the digits ? you 'll see I 've already filled in the date but not the time.


Well , how would the  How would the user know the time if they didn't know the date ?

It 's an interesting observation , but it was intentional. Because the date is when you actually read the digits and the time and , excuse me , the time is when you actually read the digits , but I 'm filling out the date beforehand. If you look at the form in front of you ? that you 're going to fill out when you read the digits ? you 'll see I 've already filled in the date but not the time.

Yeah. I always assumed  So the time is supposed to be pretty exact , because I 've just been taking beginning time  time of the meeting.


It 's an interesting observation , but it was intentional. Because the date is when you actually read the digits and the time and , excuse me , the time is when you actually read the digits , but I 'm filling out the date beforehand. If you look at the form in front of you ? that you 're going to fill out when you read the digits ? you 'll see I 've already filled in the date but not the time.

Yeah. I always assumed  So the time is supposed to be pretty exact , because I 've just been taking beginning time  time of the meeting.


Yeah. I always assumed  So the time is supposed to be pretty exact , because I 've just been taking beginning time  time of the meeting.


The  the reason I put the time in , is so that the person who 's extracting the digits , meaning me , will know where to look in the meeting , to try to find the digits.


The  the reason I put the time in , is so that the person who 's extracting the digits , meaning me , will know where to look in the meeting , to try to find the digits.

Oh dear. We 've been  we 've been messing up your forms.


The  the reason I put the time in , is so that the person who 's extracting the digits , meaning me , will know where to look in the meeting , to try to find the digits.

Oh dear. We 've been  we 've been messing up your forms.

But  I am put  I am putting the beginning of the meeting.


Oh dear. We 've been  we 've been messing up your forms.

But  I am put  I am putting the beginning of the meeting.


Oh dear. We 've been  we 've been messing up your forms.

But  I am put  I am putting the beginning of the meeting.

So you should call it , like , " digits start time ". Or.


But  I am put  I am putting the beginning of the meeting.

So you should call it , like , " digits start time ". Or.


So you should call it , like , " digits start time ". Or.


Oh , well , I was saying if we started the meeting at two thirty ,


Oh , well , I was saying if we started the meeting at two thirty ,

I 'd put two thirty , and I guess d e everyone was putting two thirty ,


I 'd put two thirty , and I guess d e everyone was putting two thirty ,


and I didn't realize there was " uh oh I 'm about to read this and I should "


and I didn't realize there was " uh oh I 'm about to read this and I should "

Actually it 's about one third each. About one third of them are blank , about one third of them are when the digits are read , and about one third of them are when the  meeting starts. So.


Actually it 's about one third each. About one third of them are blank , about one third of them are when the digits are read , and about one third of them are when the  meeting starts. So.


Ei - either that or maybe you could maybe write down when people  start reading digits on that particular session.


Ei - either that or maybe you could maybe write down when people  start reading digits on that particular session.

But if I 'm not at the meeting , I can't do that.


But if I 'm not at the meeting , I can't do that.

Yeah , he 's been setting stuff up and going away. So.


Yeah , he 's been setting stuff up and going away. So.

For some reason he doesn't want to sit through every meeting that 's


Yeah , he 's been setting stuff up and going away. So.

For some reason he doesn't want to sit through every meeting that 's

Yep , but that is the reason Name , Email and Time are where they are.


For some reason he doesn't want to sit through every meeting that 's

Yep , but that is the reason Name , Email and Time are where they are.


Yep , but that is the reason Name , Email and Time are where they are.


" For official use only " That 's   Well , he 's very professional.


" For official use only " That 's   Well , he 's very professional.

Actually you could  Well that does raise another question , which is why is the " Professional use only " line not higher ? Why doesn't it come in at the point of Date and Seat ? Oh. Because we 're filling in other things.


Actually you could  Well that does raise another question , which is why is the " Professional use only " line not higher ? Why doesn't it come in at the point of Date and Seat ? Oh. Because we 're filling in other things.


Actually you could  Well that does raise another question , which is why is the " Professional use only " line not higher ? Why doesn't it come in at the point of Date and Seat ? Oh. Because we 're filling in other things.

Well , because  If y your  your professional use , you 're gonna already have the date , and the s


Well , because  If y your  your professional use , you 're gonna already have the date , and the s

What  which form are you talking about ?


Well , because  If y your  your professional use , you 're gonna already have the date , and the s

What  which form are you talking about ?

Well I 'm comparing the new one with the old one. This is the digit form.


What  which form are you talking about ?

Well I 'm comparing the new one with the old one. This is the digit form.

Oh you 're talking about the digit form.


Well I 'm comparing the new one with the old one. This is the digit form.

Oh you 're talking about the digit form.


Oh you 're talking about the digit form.


The digit form doesn't have a " for official use only " line. It just has a line ,  which is what you 're supposed to read.