The Leader of the Government in the House of Commons is asked to keep his answer brief.

Madam Chair, the Government of Canada is there and will continue to be there to help the people who built Quebec. The Government of Canada will work with the Quebec government to make that happen.

We will go to the honourable member for Red DeerMountain View, Mr. Dreeshen.

Thank you so much. Madam Chair, on May 14 I asked the Minister of Agriculture when the Liberal government would put aside its usual campaign rhetoric and recognize the very detrimental impact the carbon tax is having on farmers across this country. Minister Bibeau proudly noted that according to their data, the average cost of the carbon tax per farm across Canada is $210 to $819. We know that these numbers are completely unfounded and are not based on any factual evidence. The fact is that the Liberal government's own Parliamentary Budget Officer has estimated that at $25 per tonne, the cost for an 855-acre crop farm in Alberta is well over $6,000. The office came up with that using the government's statistics from the 2016 agricultural census. Madam Chair, the evidence is right in front of the minister. When will this Liberal government come clean with Canadians and recognize the disastrous impact the carbon tax is having on Canada's critical agriculture and agri-food sector?


Madam Chair, the Government of Canada is there and will continue to be there to help the people who built Quebec. The Government of Canada will work with the Quebec government to make that happen.

We will go to the honourable member for Red DeerMountain View, Mr. Dreeshen.

Thank you so much. Madam Chair, on May 14 I asked the Minister of Agriculture when the Liberal government would put aside its usual campaign rhetoric and recognize the very detrimental impact the carbon tax is having on farmers across this country. Minister Bibeau proudly noted that according to their data, the average cost of the carbon tax per farm across Canada is $210 to $819. We know that these numbers are completely unfounded and are not based on any factual evidence. The fact is that the Liberal government's own Parliamentary Budget Officer has estimated that at $25 per tonne, the cost for an 855-acre crop farm in Alberta is well over $6,000. The office came up with that using the government's statistics from the 2016 agricultural census. Madam Chair, the evidence is right in front of the minister. When will this Liberal government come clean with Canadians and recognize the disastrous impact the carbon tax is having on Canada's critical agriculture and agri-food sector?

Madam Chair, our pollution pricing policy is designed to grow a clean economy. To support this sector, we have put in place the following measures. Emissions from livestock and crop production are not priced. Farm fuels and fuels from cardlock facilities are exempt, and there is a partial rebate for propane and natural gas used in commercial greenhouses. Our government has been very open and transparent about our pollution pricing plan. We will do a review of our pollution pricing system in 2020, focused on competitiveness issues in trade-exposed industries such as agriculture. It is also important to remember that this is about tackling climate change and that 100% of the revenues stay in the province. We will continue to support our farmers and food processors as they provide an essential service across Canada.


We will go to the honourable member for Red DeerMountain View, Mr. Dreeshen.

Thank you so much. Madam Chair, on May 14 I asked the Minister of Agriculture when the Liberal government would put aside its usual campaign rhetoric and recognize the very detrimental impact the carbon tax is having on farmers across this country. Minister Bibeau proudly noted that according to their data, the average cost of the carbon tax per farm across Canada is $210 to $819. We know that these numbers are completely unfounded and are not based on any factual evidence. The fact is that the Liberal government's own Parliamentary Budget Officer has estimated that at $25 per tonne, the cost for an 855-acre crop farm in Alberta is well over $6,000. The office came up with that using the government's statistics from the 2016 agricultural census. Madam Chair, the evidence is right in front of the minister. When will this Liberal government come clean with Canadians and recognize the disastrous impact the carbon tax is having on Canada's critical agriculture and agri-food sector?

Madam Chair, our pollution pricing policy is designed to grow a clean economy. To support this sector, we have put in place the following measures. Emissions from livestock and crop production are not priced. Farm fuels and fuels from cardlock facilities are exempt, and there is a partial rebate for propane and natural gas used in commercial greenhouses. Our government has been very open and transparent about our pollution pricing plan. We will do a review of our pollution pricing system in 2020, focused on competitiveness issues in trade-exposed industries such as agriculture. It is also important to remember that this is about tackling climate change and that 100% of the revenues stay in the province. We will continue to support our farmers and food processors as they provide an essential service across Canada.

Madam Chair, Minister Bibeau keeps talking about wanting to protect Canadians' environment. Well, the truth is that Canada's farmers, ranchers and processors have for years demonstrated their ability to deliver meaningful reductions in emissions and to safeguard the environment through the adoption of new technologies, education and innovative management practices, but the government ignores these efforts. Will the minister at the very least admit to Canadians that Canadian farmers are unable to pass on the cost of the carbon tax to consumers and instead have to absorb those extra costs out of their own pockets?


Thank you so much. Madam Chair, on May 14 I asked the Minister of Agriculture when the Liberal government would put aside its usual campaign rhetoric and recognize the very detrimental impact the carbon tax is having on farmers across this country. Minister Bibeau proudly noted that according to their data, the average cost of the carbon tax per farm across Canada is $210 to $819. We know that these numbers are completely unfounded and are not based on any factual evidence. The fact is that the Liberal government's own Parliamentary Budget Officer has estimated that at $25 per tonne, the cost for an 855-acre crop farm in Alberta is well over $6,000. The office came up with that using the government's statistics from the 2016 agricultural census. Madam Chair, the evidence is right in front of the minister. When will this Liberal government come clean with Canadians and recognize the disastrous impact the carbon tax is having on Canada's critical agriculture and agri-food sector?

Madam Chair, our pollution pricing policy is designed to grow a clean economy. To support this sector, we have put in place the following measures. Emissions from livestock and crop production are not priced. Farm fuels and fuels from cardlock facilities are exempt, and there is a partial rebate for propane and natural gas used in commercial greenhouses. Our government has been very open and transparent about our pollution pricing plan. We will do a review of our pollution pricing system in 2020, focused on competitiveness issues in trade-exposed industries such as agriculture. It is also important to remember that this is about tackling climate change and that 100% of the revenues stay in the province. We will continue to support our farmers and food processors as they provide an essential service across Canada.

Madam Chair, Minister Bibeau keeps talking about wanting to protect Canadians' environment. Well, the truth is that Canada's farmers, ranchers and processors have for years demonstrated their ability to deliver meaningful reductions in emissions and to safeguard the environment through the adoption of new technologies, education and innovative management practices, but the government ignores these efforts. Will the minister at the very least admit to Canadians that Canadian farmers are unable to pass on the cost of the carbon tax to consumers and instead have to absorb those extra costs out of their own pockets?

Madam Chair, allow me to explain again our government's position on pollution pricing. The price and method were developed so we could build an increasingly clean economy. We put a number of measures in place to help the agriculture sector. Emissions from animal and plant production aren't taxed. Farm fuels and fuels delivered to off-farm points-of-sale are also


Madam Chair, our pollution pricing policy is designed to grow a clean economy. To support this sector, we have put in place the following measures. Emissions from livestock and crop production are not priced. Farm fuels and fuels from cardlock facilities are exempt, and there is a partial rebate for propane and natural gas used in commercial greenhouses. Our government has been very open and transparent about our pollution pricing plan. We will do a review of our pollution pricing system in 2020, focused on competitiveness issues in trade-exposed industries such as agriculture. It is also important to remember that this is about tackling climate change and that 100% of the revenues stay in the province. We will continue to support our farmers and food processors as they provide an essential service across Canada.

Madam Chair, Minister Bibeau keeps talking about wanting to protect Canadians' environment. Well, the truth is that Canada's farmers, ranchers and processors have for years demonstrated their ability to deliver meaningful reductions in emissions and to safeguard the environment through the adoption of new technologies, education and innovative management practices, but the government ignores these efforts. Will the minister at the very least admit to Canadians that Canadian farmers are unable to pass on the cost of the carbon tax to consumers and instead have to absorb those extra costs out of their own pockets?

Madam Chair, allow me to explain again our government's position on pollution pricing. The price and method were developed so we could build an increasingly clean economy. We put a number of measures in place to help the agriculture sector. Emissions from animal and plant production aren't taxed. Farm fuels and fuels delivered to off-farm points-of-sale are also

Thank you, Madam Chair. I do have another question.


Madam Chair, Minister Bibeau keeps talking about wanting to protect Canadians' environment. Well, the truth is that Canada's farmers, ranchers and processors have for years demonstrated their ability to deliver meaningful reductions in emissions and to safeguard the environment through the adoption of new technologies, education and innovative management practices, but the government ignores these efforts. Will the minister at the very least admit to Canadians that Canadian farmers are unable to pass on the cost of the carbon tax to consumers and instead have to absorb those extra costs out of their own pockets?

Madam Chair, allow me to explain again our government's position on pollution pricing. The price and method were developed so we could build an increasingly clean economy. We put a number of measures in place to help the agriculture sector. Emissions from animal and plant production aren't taxed. Farm fuels and fuels delivered to off-farm points-of-sale are also

Thank you, Madam Chair. I do have another question.

I am watching the time, Mr. Dreeshan. You have a couple more seconds.


Madam Chair, allow me to explain again our government's position on pollution pricing. The price and method were developed so we could build an increasingly clean economy. We put a number of measures in place to help the agriculture sector. Emissions from animal and plant production aren't taxed. Farm fuels and fuels delivered to off-farm points-of-sale are also

Thank you, Madam Chair. I do have another question.

I am watching the time, Mr. Dreeshan. You have a couple more seconds.

Thank you. Madam Chair, Minister Bibeau has repeatedly asked stakeholders to send her data about the impacts of the carbon tax on farmers, so this is exactly what they have been doing. The Atlantic Grains Council, the Grain Farmers of Ontario, Producteurs de grains du Qubec and the Western Canadian Wheat Growers Association issued a joint statement at the beginning of this year in which they estimated that the cumulative indirect inflation of carbon tax on farm costs will be $14.50 an acre this year, with that cost escalating by more than double by 2022 to almost $30 an acre. These are huge numbers. Why does the Liberal government continue to ignore the facts presented to it and continue to misrepresent the truth to Canadians?


Thank you, Madam Chair. I do have another question.

I am watching the time, Mr. Dreeshan. You have a couple more seconds.

Thank you. Madam Chair, Minister Bibeau has repeatedly asked stakeholders to send her data about the impacts of the carbon tax on farmers, so this is exactly what they have been doing. The Atlantic Grains Council, the Grain Farmers of Ontario, Producteurs de grains du Qubec and the Western Canadian Wheat Growers Association issued a joint statement at the beginning of this year in which they estimated that the cumulative indirect inflation of carbon tax on farm costs will be $14.50 an acre this year, with that cost escalating by more than double by 2022 to almost $30 an acre. These are huge numbers. Why does the Liberal government continue to ignore the facts presented to it and continue to misrepresent the truth to Canadians?

Madame Chair, I can assure you that we have paid close attention to all the information that has been provided to us and that our calculation was also based on this information provided by provinces and different stakeholders.  Mr. Earl Dreeshen: Thank you  Hon. Marie-Claude Bibeau: Our government has been very open and transparent about our pollution pricing plan. The department used data from stakeholders and provinces  Mr. Earl Dreeshen: Thank you very much, Madam Chair  Hon. Marie-Claude Bibeau:as well as the 2019 agricultural tax data to estimate the average cost of pollution pricing associated with grain drying at up to 0.4% of overall operating costs. It is important to remember that we have put in place many special provisions  Mr. Earl Dreeshen: Madam Chair  Hon. Marie-Claude Bibeau: like exempting farm fuel and providing other financial supports for farmers.


I am watching the time, Mr. Dreeshan. You have a couple more seconds.

Thank you. Madam Chair, Minister Bibeau has repeatedly asked stakeholders to send her data about the impacts of the carbon tax on farmers, so this is exactly what they have been doing. The Atlantic Grains Council, the Grain Farmers of Ontario, Producteurs de grains du Qubec and the Western Canadian Wheat Growers Association issued a joint statement at the beginning of this year in which they estimated that the cumulative indirect inflation of carbon tax on farm costs will be $14.50 an acre this year, with that cost escalating by more than double by 2022 to almost $30 an acre. These are huge numbers. Why does the Liberal government continue to ignore the facts presented to it and continue to misrepresent the truth to Canadians?

Madame Chair, I can assure you that we have paid close attention to all the information that has been provided to us and that our calculation was also based on this information provided by provinces and different stakeholders.  Mr. Earl Dreeshen: Thank you  Hon. Marie-Claude Bibeau: Our government has been very open and transparent about our pollution pricing plan. The department used data from stakeholders and provinces  Mr. Earl Dreeshen: Thank you very much, Madam Chair  Hon. Marie-Claude Bibeau:as well as the 2019 agricultural tax data to estimate the average cost of pollution pricing associated with grain drying at up to 0.4% of overall operating costs. It is important to remember that we have put in place many special provisions  Mr. Earl Dreeshen: Madam Chair  Hon. Marie-Claude Bibeau: like exempting farm fuel and providing other financial supports for farmers.


We didn't crash  we 're not crashing anymore


I do. I crashed when I started this morning.


I do. I crashed when I started this morning.

You crashed  crashed this morning ? I did not crash this morning.


I do. I crashed when I started this morning.

You crashed  crashed this morning ? I did not crash this morning.

Oh ! Well maybe it 's just , you know , how many t u u u u how many times you crash in a day.


You crashed  crashed this morning ? I did not crash this morning.

Oh ! Well maybe it 's just , you know , how many t u u u u how many times you crash in a day.


Oh ! Well maybe it 's just , you know , how many t u u u u how many times you crash in a day.

First time  first time in the day , you know.


Oh ! Well maybe it 's just , you know , how many t u u u u how many times you crash in a day.

First time  first time in the day , you know.

Or maybe it 's once you 've  done enough meetings  it won't crash on you anymore.


First time  first time in the day , you know.

Or maybe it 's once you 've  done enough meetings  it won't crash on you anymore.


Or maybe it 's once you 've  done enough meetings  it won't crash on you anymore.


Do we have an agenda ? Liz  Liz and Andreas can't sh can't  uh , can't come.


Did they send , uh , the messages to you about the meeting today ?


Did they send , uh , the messages to you about the meeting today ?

I have no idea but I just got it a few minutes ago.


Did they send , uh , the messages to you about the meeting today ?

I have no idea but I just got it a few minutes ago.

Right when you were in my office it arrived.


I have no idea but I just got it a few minutes ago.

Right when you were in my office it arrived.

Oh. OK , cuz I checked my mail. I didn't have anything.


Right when you were in my office it arrived.

Oh. OK , cuz I checked my mail. I didn't have anything.

So , does anyone have any a agenda items other than me ? I actually have one more also which is to talk about the digits.


Right when you were in my office it arrived.

Oh. OK , cuz I checked my mail. I didn't have anything.

So , does anyone have any a agenda items other than me ? I actually have one more also which is to talk about the digits.

Uh , right , so  so I  I was just gonna talk briefly about the NSF ITR.


Oh. OK , cuz I checked my mail. I didn't have anything.

So , does anyone have any a agenda items other than me ? I actually have one more also which is to talk about the digits.

Uh , right , so  so I  I was just gonna talk briefly about the NSF ITR.


So , does anyone have any a agenda items other than me ? I actually have one more also which is to talk about the digits.

Uh , right , so  so I  I was just gonna talk briefly about the NSF ITR.


Uh , right , so  so I  I was just gonna talk briefly about the NSF ITR.


I mean , I won't say much , but   uh , but then , uh , you said  wanna talk about digits ?


I mean , I won't say much , but   uh , but then , uh , you said  wanna talk about digits ?

I have a short thing about digits and then uh I wanna talk a little bit about naming conventions , although it 's unclear whether this is the right place to talk about it. So maybe just talk about it very briefly and take the details to the people who  for whom it 's relevant.


I have a short thing about digits and then uh I wanna talk a little bit about naming conventions , although it 's unclear whether this is the right place to talk about it. So maybe just talk about it very briefly and take the details to the people who  for whom it 's relevant.

I could always say something about transcription. I 've been   but  but  uh , well


I could always say something about transcription. I 've been   but  but  uh , well

Well if we  Yeah , we shouldn't add things in just to add things in. I 'm actually pretty busy today ,


Well if we  Yeah , we shouldn't add things in just to add things in. I 'm actually pretty busy today ,


This does sound like we 're doing fine , yeah. That won't do.


This does sound like we 're doing fine , yeah. That won't do.

So the only thing I wanna say about digits is , we are pretty much done with the first test set. There are probably forms here and there that are marked as having been read that weren't really read. So I won't really know until I go through all the transcriber forms and extract out pieces that are in error. So I wa Uh. Two things. The first is what should we do about digits that were misread ? My opinion is , um , we should just throw them out completely , and have them read again by someone else. You know , the grouping is completely random ,


This does sound like we 're doing fine , yeah. That won't do.

So the only thing I wanna say about digits is , we are pretty much done with the first test set. There are probably forms here and there that are marked as having been read that weren't really read. So I won't really know until I go through all the transcriber forms and extract out pieces that are in error. So I wa Uh. Two things. The first is what should we do about digits that were misread ? My opinion is , um , we should just throw them out completely , and have them read again by someone else. You know , the grouping is completely random ,

so it  it 's perfectly fine to put a  a group together again of errors and have them re - read , just to finish out the test set.


So the only thing I wanna say about digits is , we are pretty much done with the first test set. There are probably forms here and there that are marked as having been read that weren't really read. So I won't really know until I go through all the transcriber forms and extract out pieces that are in error. So I wa Uh. Two things. The first is what should we do about digits that were misread ? My opinion is , um , we should just throw them out completely , and have them read again by someone else. You know , the grouping is completely random ,

so it  it 's perfectly fine to put a  a group together again of errors and have them re - read , just to finish out the test set.


so it  it 's perfectly fine to put a  a group together again of errors and have them re - read , just to finish out the test set.

Um , the other thing you could do is change the transcript to match what they really said. So those are  those are the two options.


Um , the other thing you could do is change the transcript to match what they really said. So those are  those are the two options.


Um , the other thing you could do is change the transcript to match what they really said. So those are  those are the two options.

But there 's often things where people do false starts. I know I 've done it , where I say  say a


But there 's often things where people do false starts. I know I 've done it , where I say  say a

What the transcribers did with that is if they did a correction , and they eventually did read the right string ,  you extract the right string.


But there 's often things where people do false starts. I know I 've done it , where I say  say a

What the transcribers did with that is if they did a correction , and they eventually did read the right string ,  you extract the right string.

Oh , you 're talking about where they completely read the wrong string and didn't correct it ?


What the transcribers did with that is if they did a correction , and they eventually did read the right string ,  you extract the right string.

Oh , you 're talking about where they completely read the wrong string and didn't correct it ?

Yeah. And didn't notice. Which happens in a few places.


Oh , you 're talking about where they completely read the wrong string and didn't correct it ?

Yeah. And didn't notice. Which happens in a few places.


Yeah. And didn't notice. Which happens in a few places.


Well , and s and you 're talking string - wise , you 're not talking about the entire page ?


And so the  the two options are change the transcript to match what they really said , but then  but then the transcript isn't the Aurora test set anymore. I don't think that really matters because the conditions are so different. And that would be a little easier.


And so the  the two options are change the transcript to match what they really said , but then  but then the transcript isn't the Aurora test set anymore. I don't think that really matters because the conditions are so different. And that would be a little easier.

Well how many are  how  how often does that happen ?


Well how many are  how  how often does that happen ?


Seems like we should just change the transcripts


Yeah , it 's five or six times out of  thousands ?


Yeah , I would , uh ,  tak do the easy way ,


It  it 's kinda nice  I mean , wh who knows what studies people will be doing on  on speaker - dependent things


the speakers who we had is  is at least interesting.


the speakers who we had is  is at least interesting.

So you  um , how many digits have been transcribed now ?


the speakers who we had is  is at least interesting.

So you  um , how many digits have been transcribed now ?

Four thousand lines. And each line is between one and about ten digits.


So you  um , how many digits have been transcribed now ?

Four thousand lines. And each line is between one and about ten digits.

I didn't  I didn't compute the average. I think the average was around four or five.


Four thousand lines. And each line is between one and about ten digits.

I didn't  I didn't compute the average. I think the average was around four or five.

So that 's a couple hours of  of , uh , speech , probably.


I didn't  I didn't compute the average. I think the average was around four or five.

So that 's a couple hours of  of , uh , speech , probably.


So that 's a couple hours of  of , uh , speech , probably.

Which is a yeah reasonable  reasonable test set.


Which is a yeah reasonable  reasonable test set.


Which is a yeah reasonable  reasonable test set.

And , Jane , I do have a set of forms which I think you have copies of somewhere.


And , Jane , I do have a set of forms which I think you have copies of somewhere.


Yeah , I was just wond I thought I had  had all of them back from you. And then the other thing is that , uh , the forms in front of us here that we 're gonna read later , were suggested by Liz


Yeah , I was just wond I thought I had  had all of them back from you. And then the other thing is that , uh , the forms in front of us here that we 're gonna read later , were suggested by Liz

because she wanted to elicit some different prosodics from digits. And so , uh , I just wanted people to , take a quick look at the instructions


because she wanted to elicit some different prosodics from digits. And so , uh , I just wanted people to , take a quick look at the instructions


because she wanted to elicit some different prosodics from digits. And so , uh , I just wanted people to , take a quick look at the instructions

and the way it wa worked and see if it makes sense and if anyone has any comments on it.


and the way it wa worked and see if it makes sense and if anyone has any comments on it.

I see. And the decision here , uh , was to continue with uh the words rather than the  the numerics.


and the way it wa worked and see if it makes sense and if anyone has any comments on it.

I see. And the decision here , uh , was to continue with uh the words rather than the  the numerics.

Uh , yes , although we could switch it back. The problem was O and zero. Although we could switch it back and tell them always to say " zero " or always to say " O ".


I see. And the decision here , uh , was to continue with uh the words rather than the  the numerics.

Uh , yes , although we could switch it back. The problem was O and zero. Although we could switch it back and tell them always to say " zero " or always to say " O ".


Uh , yes , although we could switch it back. The problem was O and zero. Although we could switch it back and tell them always to say " zero " or always to say " O ".


But it 's just two thing  ways that you can say it.


that 's the only thought I have because if you t start talking about these , you know u tr She 's trying to get at natural groupings , but it  there 's  there 's nothing natural about reading numbers this way.


that 's the only thought I have because if you t start talking about these , you know u tr She 's trying to get at natural groupings , but it  there 's  there 's nothing natural about reading numbers this way.

I mean if you saw a telephone number you would never see it this way.


that 's the only thought I have because if you t start talking about these , you know u tr She 's trying to get at natural groupings , but it  there 's  there 's nothing natural about reading numbers this way.

I mean if you saw a telephone number you would never see it this way.

The  the problem also is she did want to stick with digits. I mean I 'm speaking for her since she 's not here.


I mean if you saw a telephone number you would never see it this way.

The  the problem also is she did want to stick with digits. I mean I 'm speaking for her since she 's not here.


I mean if you saw a telephone number you would never see it this way.

The  the problem also is she did want to stick with digits. I mean I 'm speaking for her since she 's not here.

But , um , the other problem we were thinking about is if you just put the numerals ,  they might say forty - three instead of four three.


The  the problem also is she did want to stick with digits. I mean I 'm speaking for her since she 's not here.

But , um , the other problem we were thinking about is if you just put the numerals ,  they might say forty - three instead of four three.


But , um , the other problem we were thinking about is if you just put the numerals ,  they might say forty - three instead of four three.


Well , if there 's space , though , between them. I mean , you can  With  when you space them out they don't look like , uh , forty - three anymore.


Well , if there 's space , though , between them. I mean , you can  With  when you space them out they don't look like , uh , forty - three anymore.

Well , she and I were talking about it ,


Well , she and I were talking about it ,

and she felt that it 's very , very natural to do that sort of chunking.


Well , she and I were talking about it ,

and she felt that it 's very , very natural to do that sort of chunking.

She 's right. It 's  it  it 's a different problem. I mean it 's a  it 's a  it 's an interesting problem  I mean , we 've done stuff with numbers before , and yeah sometimes people  If you say s " three nine eight one " sometimes people will say " thirty - nine eighty - one " or " three hundred  three hundred eighty - nine one " , or  I don't think they 'd say that ,


and she felt that it 's very , very natural to do that sort of chunking.

She 's right. It 's  it  it 's a different problem. I mean it 's a  it 's a  it 's an interesting problem  I mean , we 've done stuff with numbers before , and yeah sometimes people  If you say s " three nine eight one " sometimes people will say " thirty - nine eighty - one " or " three hundred  three hundred eighty - nine one " , or  I don't think they 'd say that ,


She 's right. It 's  it  it 's a different problem. I mean it 's a  it 's a  it 's an interesting problem  I mean , we 've done stuff with numbers before , and yeah sometimes people  If you say s " three nine eight one " sometimes people will say " thirty - nine eighty - one " or " three hundred  three hundred eighty - nine one " , or  I don't think they 'd say that ,


But  Yeah. Uh , th thirty - eight ninety - one is probably how they 'd do it.


But  Yeah. Uh , th thirty - eight ninety - one is probably how they 'd do it.

So. I mean , this is something that Liz and I spoke about


But  Yeah. Uh , th thirty - eight ninety - one is probably how they 'd do it.

So. I mean , this is something that Liz and I spoke about

and , since this was something that Liz asked for specifically , I think we need to defer to her.


So. I mean , this is something that Liz and I spoke about

and , since this was something that Liz asked for specifically , I think we need to defer to her.


and , since this was something that Liz asked for specifically , I think we need to defer to her.


and , since this was something that Liz asked for specifically , I think we need to defer to her.

OK. Well , we 're probably gonna be collecting meetings for a while and if we decide we still wanna do some digits later we might be able to do some different ver different versions ,


OK. Well , we 're probably gonna be collecting meetings for a while and if we decide we still wanna do some digits later we might be able to do some different ver different versions ,


so. OK. OK , so uh e l I guess , let me , uh , get my  my short thing out about the NSF. I sent this  actually this is maybe a little side thing. Um , I  I sent to what I thought we had , uh , in some previous mail , as the right joint thing to send to , which was " M  MTG RCDR hyphen joint ".


so. OK. OK , so uh e l I guess , let me , uh , get my  my short thing out about the NSF. I sent this  actually this is maybe a little side thing. Um , I  I sent to what I thought we had , uh , in some previous mail , as the right joint thing to send to , which was " M  MTG RCDR hyphen joint ".

But then I got some sort of funny mail saying that the moderator was going to


so. OK. OK , so uh e l I guess , let me , uh , get my  my short thing out about the NSF. I sent this  actually this is maybe a little side thing. Um , I  I sent to what I thought we had , uh , in some previous mail , as the right joint thing to send to , which was " M  MTG RCDR hyphen joint ".

But then I got some sort of funny mail saying that the moderator was going to

It 's  That 's because they set the one up at UW


But then I got some sort of funny mail saying that the moderator was going to

It 's  That 's because they set the one up at UW

that 's not on our side , that 's on the U - dub  side.


It 's  That 's because they set the one up at UW

that 's not on our side , that 's on the U - dub  side.

And so U - UW set it up as a moderated list.


that 's not on our side , that 's on the U - dub  side.

And so U - UW set it up as a moderated list.


And so U - UW set it up as a moderated list.


And so U - UW set it up as a moderated list.

And , I have no idea whether it actually ever goes to anyone so you might just wanna mail to Mari


And , I have no idea whether it actually ever goes to anyone so you might just wanna mail to Mari

No  no , th I got  I got , uh , little excited notes from Mari and Jeff and so on ,


No  no , th I got  I got , uh , little excited notes from Mari and Jeff and so on ,


So the moderator actually did repost it.


So the moderator actually did repost it.

Cuz I had sent one earlier  Actually the same thing happened to me  I had sent one earlier. The message says , " You 'll be informed " and then I was never informed but I got replies from people indicating that they had gotten it , so.


Cuz I had sent one earlier  Actually the same thing happened to me  I had sent one earlier. The message says , " You 'll be informed " and then I was never informed but I got replies from people indicating that they had gotten it , so.


Cuz I had sent one earlier  Actually the same thing happened to me  I had sent one earlier. The message says , " You 'll be informed " and then I was never informed but I got replies from people indicating that they had gotten it , so.

I see. Yeah so O  OK. Well , anyway , I guess  everybody here  Are y are  you are on that list , right ? So you got the note ?


I see. Yeah so O  OK. Well , anyway , I guess  everybody here  Are y are  you are on that list , right ? So you got the note ?


Um , so this was , uh , a , uh , proposal that we put in before on  on more  more higher level , uh , issues in meetings , from  I guess higher level from my point of view. Uh ,  and , uh , meeting mappings , and , uh  so is i for  it was a  proposal for the ITR program , uh , Information Technology Research program 's part of National Science Foundation. It 's the  second year of their doing , uh , these grants. They 're  they 're  a lot of them are  some of them anyway , are larger  larger grants than the usual , small NSF grants , and. So , they 're very competitive , and they have a first phase where you put in pre - proposals , and we  we , uh , got through that. And so th the  the next phase will be  we 'll actually be doing a larger proposal. And I 'm  I  I hope to be doing very little of it. And  uh ,  which was also true for the pre - proposal , so. Uh , there 'll be bunch of people working on it. So.


Um , so this was , uh , a , uh , proposal that we put in before on  on more  more higher level , uh , issues in meetings , from  I guess higher level from my point of view. Uh ,  and , uh , meeting mappings , and , uh  so is i for  it was a  proposal for the ITR program , uh , Information Technology Research program 's part of National Science Foundation. It 's the  second year of their doing , uh , these grants. They 're  they 're  a lot of them are  some of them anyway , are larger  larger grants than the usual , small NSF grants , and. So , they 're very competitive , and they have a first phase where you put in pre - proposals , and we  we , uh , got through that. And so th the  the next phase will be  we 'll actually be doing a larger proposal. And I 'm  I  I hope to be doing very little of it. And  uh ,  which was also true for the pre - proposal , so. Uh , there 'll be bunch of people working on it. So.

When 's  when 's the full proposal due ?


Um , so this was , uh , a , uh , proposal that we put in before on  on more  more higher level , uh , issues in meetings , from  I guess higher level from my point of view. Uh ,  and , uh , meeting mappings , and , uh  so is i for  it was a  proposal for the ITR program , uh , Information Technology Research program 's part of National Science Foundation. It 's the  second year of their doing , uh , these grants. They 're  they 're  a lot of them are  some of them anyway , are larger  larger grants than the usual , small NSF grants , and. So , they 're very competitive , and they have a first phase where you put in pre - proposals , and we  we , uh , got through that. And so th the  the next phase will be  we 'll actually be doing a larger proposal. And I 'm  I  I hope to be doing very little of it. And  uh ,  which was also true for the pre - proposal , so. Uh , there 'll be bunch of people working on it. So.

When 's  when 's the full proposal due ?

Uh , I think April ninth , or something. So it 's about a month.


When 's  when 's the full proposal due ?

Uh , I think April ninth , or something. So it 's about a month.


Uh , I think April ninth , or something. So it 's about a month.

Yep. And they said end of business day you could check on the reviewer forms ,


Yep. And they said end of business day you could check on the reviewer forms ,


I guess that 's a good thing cuz that way I got my papers done early.


I guess that 's a good thing cuz that way I got my papers done early.

So that 's amazing you showed up at this meeting !


So that 's amazing you showed up at this meeting !


So that 's amazing you showed up at this meeting !

It 'll be interesting to see the reviewer 's comments.


It 'll be interesting to see the reviewer 's comments.

Yeah. Yeah. My favorite is was when  when  when one reviewer says , uh , " you know , this should be far more detailed " , and the nex the next reviewer says , " you know , there 's way too much detail ".


It 'll be interesting to see the reviewer 's comments.

Yeah. Yeah. My favorite is was when  when  when one reviewer says , uh , " you know , this should be far more detailed " , and the nex the next reviewer says , " you know , there 's way too much detail ".

Yep. Or " this is way too general " , and the other reviewer says , " this is way too specific ".


Yeah. Yeah. My favorite is was when  when  when one reviewer says , uh , " you know , this should be far more detailed " , and the nex the next reviewer says , " you know , there 's way too much detail ".

Yep. Or " this is way too general " , and the other reviewer says , " this is way too specific ".


Yep. Or " this is way too general " , and the other reviewer says , " this is way too specific ".


" This is way too hard " , " way too easy ".


" This is way too hard " , " way too easy ".

We 'll see. Maybe there 'll be something useful. And  and , uh


" This is way too hard " , " way too easy ".

We 'll see. Maybe there 'll be something useful. And  and , uh

Well it sounded like they  they  the first gate was pretty easy. Is that right ? That they didn't reject a lot of the pre - proposals ?


" This is way too hard " , " way too easy ".

We 'll see. Maybe there 'll be something useful. And  and , uh

Well it sounded like they  they  the first gate was pretty easy. Is that right ? That they didn't reject a lot of the pre - proposals ?

Do you know anything about the numbers ?


We 'll see. Maybe there 'll be something useful. And  and , uh

Well it sounded like they  they  the first gate was pretty easy. Is that right ? That they didn't reject a lot of the pre - proposals ?

Do you know anything about the numbers ?


Well it sounded like they  they  the first gate was pretty easy. Is that right ? That they didn't reject a lot of the pre - proposals ?

Do you know anything about the numbers ?

It 's just from his message it sounded like that.


Do you know anything about the numbers ?

It 's just from his message it sounded like that.


It 's just from his message it sounded like that.


It 's just from his message it sounded like that.

there was a sentence at the end of one of his paragraphs


there was a sentence at the end of one of his paragraphs


there was a sentence at the end of one of his paragraphs

I should go back and look. I didn't  I don't think that 's true.


I should go back and look. I didn't  I don't think that 's true.

Mmm. He said the next phase 'll be very , competitive


Mmm. He said the next phase 'll be very , competitive

because we didn't want to weed out much in the first phase.


because we didn't want to weed out much in the first phase.

Well we 'll have to see what the numbers are.


Well we 'll have to see what the numbers are.


Yeah. But they  they have to weed out enough so that they have enough reviewers.


Yeah. But they  they have to weed out enough so that they have enough reviewers.

So , uh , you know , maybe they didn't r weed out as much as usual , but it 's  it 's usually a pretty  But it  Yeah. It 's  it 's certainly not  I 'm sure that it 's not down to one in two or something of what 's left.


So , uh , you know , maybe they didn't r weed out as much as usual , but it 's  it 's usually a pretty  But it  Yeah. It 's  it 's certainly not  I 'm sure that it 's not down to one in two or something of what 's left.


So , uh , you know , maybe they didn't r weed out as much as usual , but it 's  it 's usually a pretty  But it  Yeah. It 's  it 's certainly not  I 'm sure that it 's not down to one in two or something of what 's left.

How  how many awards are there , do you know ?


How  how many awards are there , do you know ?

Well there 's different numbers of w awards for different size  They have three size grants. This one there 's , um  See the small ones are less than five hundred thousand total over three years and that they have a fair number of them. Um , and the large ones are , uh , boy , I forget , I think , more than , uh , more than a million and a half , more than two million or something like that. And  and we 're in the middle  middle category.


How  how many awards are there , do you know ?

Well there 's different numbers of w awards for different size  They have three size grants. This one there 's , um  See the small ones are less than five hundred thousand total over three years and that they have a fair number of them. Um , and the large ones are , uh , boy , I forget , I think , more than , uh , more than a million and a half , more than two million or something like that. And  and we 're in the middle  middle category.

I think we 're , uh , uh , I forget what it was. But , um  Uh , I don't remember , but it 's  pr probably along the li I  I could be wrong on this yeah , but probably along the lines of fifteen or  that they 'll fund , or twenty. I mean when they  Do you  do you know how many they funded when they f in  in Chuck 's , that he got last year ?


Well there 's different numbers of w awards for different size  They have three size grants. This one there 's , um  See the small ones are less than five hundred thousand total over three years and that they have a fair number of them. Um , and the large ones are , uh , boy , I forget , I think , more than , uh , more than a million and a half , more than two million or something like that. And  and we 're in the middle  middle category.

I think we 're , uh , uh , I forget what it was. But , um  Uh , I don't remember , but it 's  pr probably along the li I  I could be wrong on this yeah , but probably along the lines of fifteen or  that they 'll fund , or twenty. I mean when they  Do you  do you know how many they funded when they f in  in Chuck 's , that he got last year ?


I think we 're , uh , uh , I forget what it was. But , um  Uh , I don't remember , but it 's  pr probably along the li I  I could be wrong on this yeah , but probably along the lines of fifteen or  that they 'll fund , or twenty. I mean when they  Do you  do you know how many they funded when they f in  in Chuck 's , that he got last year ?


I think we 're , uh , uh , I forget what it was. But , um  Uh , I don't remember , but it 's  pr probably along the li I  I could be wrong on this yeah , but probably along the lines of fifteen or  that they 'll fund , or twenty. I mean when they  Do you  do you know how many they funded when they f in  in Chuck 's , that he got last year ?

I thought it was smaller , that it was like four or five , wasn't it ?


I thought it was smaller , that it was like four or five , wasn't it ?


Uh it doesn't matter , we 'll find out one way or another.


Uh it doesn't matter , we 'll find out one way or another.

Yeah. I mean last time I think they just had two categories , small and big ,


Uh it doesn't matter , we 'll find out one way or another.

Yeah. I mean last time I think they just had two categories , small and big ,

and this time they came up with a middle one , so it 'll  there 'll be more of them that they fund than  of the big.


Yeah. I mean last time I think they just had two categories , small and big ,

and this time they came up with a middle one , so it 'll  there 'll be more of them that they fund than  of the big.

If we end up getting this , um , what will it mean to ICSI in terms of , w wh where will the money go to , what would we be doing with it ?


and this time they came up with a middle one , so it 'll  there 'll be more of them that they fund than  of the big.

If we end up getting this , um , what will it mean to ICSI in terms of , w wh where will the money go to , what would we be doing with it ?


If we end up getting this , um , what will it mean to ICSI in terms of , w wh where will the money go to , what would we be doing with it ?


You know , it  i None of it will go for those yachts that we 've talking about.


You know , it  i None of it will go for those yachts that we 've talking about.

It 's just for the research  to continue the research on the Meeting Recorder stuff ?


It 's just for the research  to continue the research on the Meeting Recorder stuff ?

It 's extending the research , right ? Because the other


It 's just for the research  to continue the research on the Meeting Recorder stuff ?

It 's extending the research , right ? Because the other

Yeah it 's go higher level stuff than we 've been talking about for Meeting Recorder.


It 's extending the research , right ? Because the other

Yeah it 's go higher level stuff than we 've been talking about for Meeting Recorder.

Yeah. Yeah the other things that we have , uh , been working on with , uh , the c with Communicator  uh , especially with the newer things  with the more acoustically - oriented things are  are  are  are lower level. And , this is dealing with , uh , mapping on the level of  of , um , the conversation  of mapping the conversations


Yeah it 's go higher level stuff than we 've been talking about for Meeting Recorder.

Yeah. Yeah the other things that we have , uh , been working on with , uh , the c with Communicator  uh , especially with the newer things  with the more acoustically - oriented things are  are  are  are lower level. And , this is dealing with , uh , mapping on the level of  of , um , the conversation  of mapping the conversations


Yeah it 's go higher level stuff than we 've been talking about for Meeting Recorder.

Yeah. Yeah the other things that we have , uh , been working on with , uh , the c with Communicator  uh , especially with the newer things  with the more acoustically - oriented things are  are  are  are lower level. And , this is dealing with , uh , mapping on the level of  of , um , the conversation  of mapping the conversations

to different kind of planes. So. Um. But , um. So it 's all it 's all stuff that none none of us are doing right now , or none of us are funded for , so it 's  so it 's  it would be new.


Yeah. Yeah the other things that we have , uh , been working on with , uh , the c with Communicator  uh , especially with the newer things  with the more acoustically - oriented things are  are  are  are lower level. And , this is dealing with , uh , mapping on the level of  of , um , the conversation  of mapping the conversations

to different kind of planes. So. Um. But , um. So it 's all it 's all stuff that none none of us are doing right now , or none of us are funded for , so it 's  so it 's  it would be new.

So assuming everybody 's completely busy now , it means we 're gonna hafta , hire more students , or , something ?


to different kind of planes. So. Um. But , um. So it 's all it 's all stuff that none none of us are doing right now , or none of us are funded for , so it 's  so it 's  it would be new.

So assuming everybody 's completely busy now , it means we 're gonna hafta , hire more students , or , something ?

Well there 's evenings , and there 's weekends , and  Uh. Yeah , there  there would be  there would be new hires , and  and there  there would be expansion , but , also , there 's always   for everybody there 's  there 's always things that are dropping off , grants that are ending , or other things that are ending , so ,


So assuming everybody 's completely busy now , it means we 're gonna hafta , hire more students , or , something ?

Well there 's evenings , and there 's weekends , and  Uh. Yeah , there  there would be  there would be new hires , and  and there  there would be expansion , but , also , there 's always   for everybody there 's  there 's always things that are dropping off , grants that are ending , or other things that are ending , so ,

there 's  there 's a  continual need to  to bring in new things.


Well there 's evenings , and there 's weekends , and  Uh. Yeah , there  there would be  there would be new hires , and  and there  there would be expansion , but , also , there 's always   for everybody there 's  there 's always things that are dropping off , grants that are ending , or other things that are ending , so ,

there 's  there 's a  continual need to  to bring in new things.


there 's  there 's a  continual need to  to bring in new things.


But  but there definitely would be new  new  new , uh , students ,


But  but there definitely would be new  new  new , uh , students ,

Are there any students in your class who are  expressing interest ?


Are there any students in your class who are  expressing interest ?


Are there any students in your class who are  expressing interest ?

I mean we got   we have  yeah , two of them are  two in the c There 're  two in the class already here , and then  and  and , uh  uh , then there 's a third who 's doing a project here , who , uh  But he  he  he won't be in the country that long ,


I mean we got   we have  yeah , two of them are  two in the c There 're  two in the class already here , and then  and  and , uh  uh , then there 's a third who 's doing a project here , who , uh  But he  he  he won't be in the country that long ,


Actually there is one other guy who 's looking  that  that 's that guy , uh , Jeremy ?  I think.


Actually there is one other guy who 's looking  that  that 's that guy , uh , Jeremy ?  I think.

Anyway , yeah that 's  that 's all I was gonna say is that  that that 's  you know , that 's nice and we 're sorta preceding to the next step , and ,  it 'll mean some more work , uh , you know , in  in March in getting the proposal out , and then , it 's , uh , you know  We 'll see what happens. Uh , the last one was  that you had there ,  was about naming ?


Actually there is one other guy who 's looking  that  that 's that guy , uh , Jeremy ?  I think.

Anyway , yeah that 's  that 's all I was gonna say is that  that that 's  you know , that 's nice and we 're sorta preceding to the next step , and ,  it 'll mean some more work , uh , you know , in  in March in getting the proposal out , and then , it 's , uh , you know  We 'll see what happens. Uh , the last one was  that you had there ,  was about naming ?

Yep. It just , uh  we 've been cutting up sound files , in  for ba both digits and for , uh , doing recognition. And Liz had some suggestions on naming and it just brought up the whole issue that hasn't really been resolved about naming. So , uh , one thing she would like to have is for all the names to be the same length so that sorting is easier. Um ,


Anyway , yeah that 's  that 's all I was gonna say is that  that that 's  you know , that 's nice and we 're sorta preceding to the next step , and ,  it 'll mean some more work , uh , you know , in  in March in getting the proposal out , and then , it 's , uh , you know  We 'll see what happens. Uh , the last one was  that you had there ,  was about naming ?

Yep. It just , uh  we 've been cutting up sound files , in  for ba both digits and for , uh , doing recognition. And Liz had some suggestions on naming and it just brought up the whole issue that hasn't really been resolved about naming. So , uh , one thing she would like to have is for all the names to be the same length so that sorting is easier. Um ,


Anyway , yeah that 's  that 's all I was gonna say is that  that that 's  you know , that 's nice and we 're sorta preceding to the next step , and ,  it 'll mean some more work , uh , you know , in  in March in getting the proposal out , and then , it 's , uh , you know  We 'll see what happens. Uh , the last one was  that you had there ,  was about naming ?

Yep. It just , uh  we 've been cutting up sound files , in  for ba both digits and for , uh , doing recognition. And Liz had some suggestions on naming and it just brought up the whole issue that hasn't really been resolved about naming. So , uh , one thing she would like to have is for all the names to be the same length so that sorting is easier. Um ,

same number of characters so that when you 're sorting filenames you can easily extract out bits and pieces that you want. And that 's easy enough to do. And I don't think we have so many meetings that that 's a big deal just to change the names. So that means , uh , instead of calling it " MR one " , " MR two " , you 'd call it " MRM zero zero one " , " MRM zero zero two " , things like that. Just so that they 're  they 're all the same length.


Yep. It just , uh  we 've been cutting up sound files , in  for ba both digits and for , uh , doing recognition. And Liz had some suggestions on naming and it just brought up the whole issue that hasn't really been resolved about naming. So , uh , one thing she would like to have is for all the names to be the same length so that sorting is easier. Um ,

same number of characters so that when you 're sorting filenames you can easily extract out bits and pieces that you want. And that 's easy enough to do. And I don't think we have so many meetings that that 's a big deal just to change the names. So that means , uh , instead of calling it " MR one " , " MR two " , you 'd call it " MRM zero zero one " , " MRM zero zero two " , things like that. Just so that they 're  they 're all the same length.

But , you know , when you , do things like that you can always  as long as you have  uh , you can always search from the beginning or the end of the string.


same number of characters so that when you 're sorting filenames you can easily extract out bits and pieces that you want. And that 's easy enough to do. And I don't think we have so many meetings that that 's a big deal just to change the names. So that means , uh , instead of calling it " MR one " , " MR two " , you 'd call it " MRM zero zero one " , " MRM zero zero two " , things like that. Just so that they 're  they 're all the same length.

But , you know , when you , do things like that you can always  as long as you have  uh , you can always search from the beginning or the end of the string.

The problem is that they 're a lot of fields.


But , you know , when you , do things like that you can always  as long as you have  uh , you can always search from the beginning or the end of the string.

The problem is that they 're a lot of fields.


The problem is that they 're a lot of fields.


so we  we have th we 're gonna have the speaker ID , the session , uh  uh , information on the microphones ,


so we  we have th we 're gonna have the speaker ID , the session , uh  uh , information on the microphones ,

information on the speak on the channels and all that.


information on the speak on the channels and all that.

And so if each one of those is a fixed length , the sorting becomes a lot easier.


And so if each one of those is a fixed length , the sorting becomes a lot easier.

She wanted to keep them  the same lengths across different meetings also. So like , the NSA meeting lengths ,  all filenames are gonna be the same length as the Meeting Recorder meeting names ?


And so if each one of those is a fixed length , the sorting becomes a lot easier.

She wanted to keep them  the same lengths across different meetings also. So like , the NSA meeting lengths ,  all filenames are gonna be the same length as the Meeting Recorder meeting names ?

Yep. And as I said , the it 's  we just don't have that many that that 's a big deal.


She wanted to keep them  the same lengths across different meetings also. So like , the NSA meeting lengths ,  all filenames are gonna be the same length as the Meeting Recorder meeting names ?

Yep. And as I said , the it 's  we just don't have that many that that 's a big deal.


She wanted to keep them  the same lengths across different meetings also. So like , the NSA meeting lengths ,  all filenames are gonna be the same length as the Meeting Recorder meeting names ?

Yep. And as I said , the it 's  we just don't have that many that that 's a big deal.

And so , uh , um , at some point we have to sort of take a few days off , let the transcribers have a few days off , make sure no one 's touching the data and reorganize the file structures. And when we do that we can also rationalize some of the naming.


Yep. And as I said , the it 's  we just don't have that many that that 's a big deal.

And so , uh , um , at some point we have to sort of take a few days off , let the transcribers have a few days off , make sure no one 's touching the data and reorganize the file structures. And when we do that we can also rationalize some of the naming.

I  I would think though that the transcribe  the transcripts themselves wouldn't need to have such lengthy names.


And so , uh , um , at some point we have to sort of take a few days off , let the transcribers have a few days off , make sure no one 's touching the data and reorganize the file structures. And when we do that we can also rationalize some of the naming.

I  I would think though that the transcribe  the transcripts themselves wouldn't need to have such lengthy names.


And so , uh , um , at some point we have to sort of take a few days off , let the transcribers have a few days off , make sure no one 's touching the data and reorganize the file structures. And when we do that we can also rationalize some of the naming.

I  I would think though that the transcribe  the transcripts themselves wouldn't need to have such lengthy names.

So , I mean , you 're dealing with a different domain there , and with start and end times and all that , and channels and stuff ,


I  I would think though that the transcribe  the transcripts themselves wouldn't need to have such lengthy names.

So , I mean , you 're dealing with a different domain there , and with start and end times and all that , and channels and stuff ,

Right. So the only thing that would change with that is just the directory names ,


So , I mean , you 're dealing with a different domain there , and with start and end times and all that , and channels and stuff ,

Right. So the only thing that would change with that is just the directory names ,


So , I mean , you 're dealing with a different domain there , and with start and end times and all that , and channels and stuff ,

Right. So the only thing that would change with that is just the directory names ,

I would change them to match. So instead of being MR one it would be MRM zero zero one. But I don't think that 's a big deal.


Right. So the only thing that would change with that is just the directory names ,

I would change them to match. So instead of being MR one it would be MRM zero zero one. But I don't think that 's a big deal.


I would change them to match. So instead of being MR one it would be MRM zero zero one. But I don't think that 's a big deal.

So for  for m the meetings we were thinking about three letters and three numbers for meeting I Ds. Uh , for speakers , M or F and then three numbers , For , uh  and , uh , that also brings up the point that we have to start assembling a speaker database so that we get those links back and forth and keep it consistent. Um , and then , uh , the microphone issues. We want some way of specifying , more than looking in the " key " file , what channel and what mike. What channel , what mike , and what broadcaster. Or  I don't know how to s say it. So I mean with this one it 's this particular headset with this particular transmitter w  as a wireless.


So for  for m the meetings we were thinking about three letters and three numbers for meeting I Ds. Uh , for speakers , M or F and then three numbers , For , uh  and , uh , that also brings up the point that we have to start assembling a speaker database so that we get those links back and forth and keep it consistent. Um , and then , uh , the microphone issues. We want some way of specifying , more than looking in the " key " file , what channel and what mike. What channel , what mike , and what broadcaster. Or  I don't know how to s say it. So I mean with this one it 's this particular headset with this particular transmitter w  as a wireless.


So for  for m the meetings we were thinking about three letters and three numbers for meeting I Ds. Uh , for speakers , M or F and then three numbers , For , uh  and , uh , that also brings up the point that we have to start assembling a speaker database so that we get those links back and forth and keep it consistent. Um , and then , uh , the microphone issues. We want some way of specifying , more than looking in the " key " file , what channel and what mike. What channel , what mike , and what broadcaster. Or  I don't know how to s say it. So I mean with this one it 's this particular headset with this particular transmitter w  as a wireless.

And you know that one is a different headset and different channel. And so we just need some naming conventions on that.


And you know that one is a different headset and different channel. And so we just need some naming conventions on that.


that 's gonna become especially important once we start changing the microphone set - up. We have some new microphones that I 'd like to start trying out , um , once I test them. And then we 'll  we 'll need to specify that somewhere. So I was just gonna do a fixed list of , uh , microphones and types.


Um ,   since we have such a short agenda list I guess I wi I will ask how  how are the transcriptions going ? Yeah.


Um ,   since we have such a short agenda list I guess I wi I will ask how  how are the transcriptions going ? Yeah.

The  the news is that I 've  I uh  s So  in s um  So I 've switched to  Start my new sentence. I  I switched to doing the channel - by - channel transcriptions to provide , uh , the  uh , tighter time bins for  partly for use in Thilo 's work and also it 's of relevance to other people in the project. And , um , I discovered in the process a couple of  of interesting things , which , um , one of them is that , um , it seems that there are time lags involved in doing this , uh , uh , using an interface that has so much more complexity to it. And I  and I wanted to maybe ask , uh , Chuck to help me with some of the questions of efficiency. Maybe  I was thinking maybe the best way to do this in the long run may be to give them single channel parts and then piece them together later. And I  I have a script , I can piece them together. I mean , so it 's like , I  I know that I can take them apart and put them together and I 'll end up with the representation which is where the real power of that interface is.


Um ,   since we have such a short agenda list I guess I wi I will ask how  how are the transcriptions going ? Yeah.

The  the news is that I 've  I uh  s So  in s um  So I 've switched to  Start my new sentence. I  I switched to doing the channel - by - channel transcriptions to provide , uh , the  uh , tighter time bins for  partly for use in Thilo 's work and also it 's of relevance to other people in the project. And , um , I discovered in the process a couple of  of interesting things , which , um , one of them is that , um , it seems that there are time lags involved in doing this , uh , uh , using an interface that has so much more complexity to it. And I  and I wanted to maybe ask , uh , Chuck to help me with some of the questions of efficiency. Maybe  I was thinking maybe the best way to do this in the long run may be to give them single channel parts and then piece them together later. And I  I have a script , I can piece them together. I mean , so it 's like , I  I know that I can take them apart and put them together and I 'll end up with the representation which is where the real power of that interface is.

And it may be that it 's faster to transcribe a channel at a time with only one , uh , sound file and one , uh , set of  of , uh , utterances to check through.


The  the news is that I 've  I uh  s So  in s um  So I 've switched to  Start my new sentence. I  I switched to doing the channel - by - channel transcriptions to provide , uh , the  uh , tighter time bins for  partly for use in Thilo 's work and also it 's of relevance to other people in the project. And , um , I discovered in the process a couple of  of interesting things , which , um , one of them is that , um , it seems that there are time lags involved in doing this , uh , uh , using an interface that has so much more complexity to it. And I  and I wanted to maybe ask , uh , Chuck to help me with some of the questions of efficiency. Maybe  I was thinking maybe the best way to do this in the long run may be to give them single channel parts and then piece them together later. And I  I have a script , I can piece them together. I mean , so it 's like , I  I know that I can take them apart and put them together and I 'll end up with the representation which is where the real power of that interface is.

And it may be that it 's faster to transcribe a channel at a time with only one , uh , sound file and one , uh , set of  of , uh , utterances to check through.


And it may be that it 's faster to transcribe a channel at a time with only one , uh , sound file and one , uh , set of  of , uh , utterances to check through.

I 'm a little confused. I thought that  that one of the reason we thought we were so much faster than  than , uh , the  the other transcription , uh , thing was that  that we were using the mixed  file.


And it may be that it 's faster to transcribe a channel at a time with only one , uh , sound file and one , uh , set of  of , uh , utterances to check through.

I 'm a little confused. I thought that  that one of the reason we thought we were so much faster than  than , uh , the  the other transcription , uh , thing was that  that we were using the mixed  file.

Oh , yes. OK. But , um , with the mixed , when you have an overlap , you only have a  a choice of one start and end time for that entire overlap , which means that you 're not tightly , uh , tuning the individual parts th of that overlap by different speakers.


I 'm a little confused. I thought that  that one of the reason we thought we were so much faster than  than , uh , the  the other transcription , uh , thing was that  that we were using the mixed  file.

Oh , yes. OK. But , um , with the mixed , when you have an overlap , you only have a  a choice of one start and end time for that entire overlap , which means that you 're not tightly , uh , tuning the individual parts th of that overlap by different speakers.


I 'm a little confused. I thought that  that one of the reason we thought we were so much faster than  than , uh , the  the other transcription , uh , thing was that  that we were using the mixed  file.

Oh , yes. OK. But , um , with the mixed , when you have an overlap , you only have a  a choice of one start and end time for that entire overlap , which means that you 're not tightly , uh , tuning the individual parts th of that overlap by different speakers.

So someone may have only said two words in that entire big chunk of overlap.


Oh , yes. OK. But , um , with the mixed , when you have an overlap , you only have a  a choice of one start and end time for that entire overlap , which means that you 're not tightly , uh , tuning the individual parts th of that overlap by different speakers.

So someone may have only said two words in that entire big chunk of overlap.


So someone may have only said two words in that entire big chunk of overlap.

And for purposes of  of , uh , things like  well , so things like training the speech - nonspeech segmentation thing.


And for purposes of  of , uh , things like  well , so things like training the speech - nonspeech segmentation thing.

Th - it 's necessary to have it more tightly tuned than that.


Th - it 's necessary to have it more tightly tuned than that.

And w and w and , you know , is a It would be wonderful if , uh , it 's possible then to use that algorithm to more tightly tie in all the channels after that but , um , you know , I 've  th the  So , I I don't know exactly where that 's going at this point. But m I was experimenting with doing this by hand and I really do think that it 's wise that we 've had them start the way we have with , uh , m y working off the mixed signal , um , having the interface that doesn't require them to do the ti uh , the time bins for every single channel at a t uh , through the entire interaction.


And w and w and , you know , is a It would be wonderful if , uh , it 's possible then to use that algorithm to more tightly tie in all the channels after that but , um , you know , I 've  th the  So , I I don't know exactly where that 's going at this point. But m I was experimenting with doing this by hand and I really do think that it 's wise that we 've had them start the way we have with , uh , m y working off the mixed signal , um , having the interface that doesn't require them to do the ti uh , the time bins for every single channel at a t uh , through the entire interaction.

Um , I did discover a couple other things by doing this though , and one of them is that , um , um , once in a while a backchannel will be overlooked by the transcriber.


Um , I did discover a couple other things by doing this though , and one of them is that , um , um , once in a while a backchannel will be overlooked by the transcriber.


because when it 's a b backchannel could well happen in a very densely populated overlap. And if we 're gonna study types of overlaps , which is what I wanna do , an analysis of that , then that really does require listening  to every single channel all the way through the entire  length for all the different speakers. Now , for only four speakers , that 's not gonna be too much time , but if it 's nine speakers , then that i that is more time. So it 's li you know , kind of wondering  And I think again it 's like this  it 's really valuable that Thilo 's working on the speech - nonspeech segmentation because maybe , um , we can close in on that wi without having to actually go to the time that it would take to listen to every single channel from start to finish through every single meeting.


because when it 's a b backchannel could well happen in a very densely populated overlap. And if we 're gonna study types of overlaps , which is what I wanna do , an analysis of that , then that really does require listening  to every single channel all the way through the entire  length for all the different speakers. Now , for only four speakers , that 's not gonna be too much time , but if it 's nine speakers , then that i that is more time. So it 's li you know , kind of wondering  And I think again it 's like this  it 's really valuable that Thilo 's working on the speech - nonspeech segmentation because maybe , um , we can close in on that wi without having to actually go to the time that it would take to listen to every single channel from start to finish through every single meeting.

Yeah , but those backchannels will always be a problem I think. Uh especially if they 're really short and they 're not very loud and so it  it can  it  it will always happen that also the automatic s detection system will miss some of them , so.


because when it 's a b backchannel could well happen in a very densely populated overlap. And if we 're gonna study types of overlaps , which is what I wanna do , an analysis of that , then that really does require listening  to every single channel all the way through the entire  length for all the different speakers. Now , for only four speakers , that 's not gonna be too much time , but if it 's nine speakers , then that i that is more time. So it 's li you know , kind of wondering  And I think again it 's like this  it 's really valuable that Thilo 's working on the speech - nonspeech segmentation because maybe , um , we can close in on that wi without having to actually go to the time that it would take to listen to every single channel from start to finish through every single meeting.

Yeah , but those backchannels will always be a problem I think. Uh especially if they 're really short and they 're not very loud and so it  it can  it  it will always happen that also the automatic s detection system will miss some of them , so.

OK. Well so then  then , maybe the answer is to , uh , listen especially densely in places of overlap ,


Yeah , but those backchannels will always be a problem I think. Uh especially if they 're really short and they 're not very loud and so it  it can  it  it will always happen that also the automatic s detection system will miss some of them , so.

OK. Well so then  then , maybe the answer is to , uh , listen especially densely in places of overlap ,

just so that they 're  they 're not being overlooked because of that , and count on accuracy during the sparser phases.


OK. Well so then  then , maybe the answer is to , uh , listen especially densely in places of overlap ,

just so that they 're  they 're not being overlooked because of that , and count on accuracy during the sparser phases.


just so that they 're  they 're not being overlooked because of that , and count on accuracy during the sparser phases.

Cuz there are large s spaces of the  That 's a good point. There are large spaces where there 's no overlap at all. Someone 's giving a presentation ,


Cuz there are large s spaces of the  That 's a good point. There are large spaces where there 's no overlap at all. Someone 's giving a presentation ,

or whatever. That 's  that 's a good  that 's a good thought. And , um , let 's see , there was one other thing I was gonna say. I  I think it 's really interesting data to work with , I have to say , it 's very enjoyable. I really , not  not a problem spending time with these data. Really interesting. And not just because I 'm in there. No , it 's real interesting.


Cuz there are large s spaces of the  That 's a good point. There are large spaces where there 's no overlap at all. Someone 's giving a presentation ,

or whatever. That 's  that 's a good  that 's a good thought. And , um , let 's see , there was one other thing I was gonna say. I  I think it 's really interesting data to work with , I have to say , it 's very enjoyable. I really , not  not a problem spending time with these data. Really interesting. And not just because I 'm in there. No , it 's real interesting.

Uh , well I think it 's a short meeting. Uh , you 're  you 're  you 're still in the midst of what you 're doing from what you described last time , I assume ,


or whatever. That 's  that 's a good  that 's a good thought. And , um , let 's see , there was one other thing I was gonna say. I  I think it 's really interesting data to work with , I have to say , it 's very enjoyable. I really , not  not a problem spending time with these data. Really interesting. And not just because I 'm in there. No , it 's real interesting.

Uh , well I think it 's a short meeting. Uh , you 're  you 're  you 're still in the midst of what you 're doing from what you described last time , I assume ,


Uh , well I think it 's a short meeting. Uh , you 're  you 're  you 're still in the midst of what you 're doing from what you described last time , I assume ,


but , eh , I  I 'm continue working with the mixed signal now ,  after the  the last experience.


but , eh , I  I 'm continue working with the mixed signal now ,  after the  the last experience.

And  and I 'm tried to  to , uh , adjust the  to  to improve , eh , an harmonicity , eh , detector that , eh , I  I implement.


And  and I 'm tried to  to , uh , adjust the  to  to improve , eh , an harmonicity , eh , detector that , eh , I  I implement.

But I have problem because , eh , I get , eh , eh , very much harmonics now.


But I have problem because , eh , I get , eh , eh , very much harmonics now.

Um , harmonic  possi possible harmonics , uh , eh , and now I 'm  I 'm  I 'm trying to  to find , eh , some kind of a , um   of h of help , eh , using the energy to  to distinguish between possible harmonics , and  and other fre frequency peaks , that , eh , corres not harmonics. And , eh , I have to  to talk with y with you , with the group , eh , about the instantaneous frequency , because I have , eh , an algorithm , and , I get , mmm , eh , t t results  similar results , like , eh , the paper , eh , that I  I am following. But , eh , the  the rules , eh , that , eh , people used in the paper to  to distinguish the harmonics , is  doesn't work well.


Um , harmonic  possi possible harmonics , uh , eh , and now I 'm  I 'm  I 'm trying to  to find , eh , some kind of a , um   of h of help , eh , using the energy to  to distinguish between possible harmonics , and  and other fre frequency peaks , that , eh , corres not harmonics. And , eh , I have to  to talk with y with you , with the group , eh , about the instantaneous frequency , because I have , eh , an algorithm , and , I get , mmm , eh , t t results  similar results , like , eh , the paper , eh , that I  I am following. But , eh , the  the rules , eh , that , eh , people used in the paper to  to distinguish the harmonics , is  doesn't work well.

And I  I  I  I not sure that i  eh , the  the way  o to  ob the way to obtain the  the instantaneous frequency is  right , or it 's  it 's not right. Eh ,


And I  I  I  I not sure that i  eh , the  the way  o to  ob the way to obtain the  the instantaneous frequency is  right , or it 's  it 's not right. Eh ,

I haven't enough file feeling to  to  to distinguish what happened.


And I  I  I  I not sure that i  eh , the  the way  o to  ob the way to obtain the  the instantaneous frequency is  right , or it 's  it 's not right. Eh ,

I haven't enough file feeling to  to  to distinguish what happened.

Yeah , I 'd like to talk with you about it. If  if  if , uh  If I don't have enough time and y you wanna discuss with someone else  some someone else besides us that you might want to talk to , uh , might be Stephane.


I haven't enough file feeling to  to  to distinguish what happened.

Yeah , I 'd like to talk with you about it. If  if  if , uh  If I don't have enough time and y you wanna discuss with someone else  some someone else besides us that you might want to talk to , uh , might be Stephane.

Yeah. I talked with Stephane and  and Thilo


Yeah , I 'd like to talk with you about it. If  if  if , uh  If I don't have enough time and y you wanna discuss with someone else  some someone else besides us that you might want to talk to , uh , might be Stephane.

Yeah. I talked with Stephane and  and Thilo


Yeah. I talked with Stephane and  and Thilo


I 'm not too experienced with  harmonics


I 'm not too experienced with  harmonics

they think that  the experience is not enough to


they think that  the experience is not enough to

Is  is this the algorithm where you hypothesize a fundamental , and then get the energy for all the harmonics of that fundamental ?


Is  is this the algorithm where you hypothesize a fundamental , and then get the energy for all the harmonics of that fundamental ?

And then hypothesize a new fundamental and get the energy


And then hypothesize a new fundamental and get the energy

No. I  I  I  I don't proth process the  the fundamental. I   I , ehm  I calculate the  the phase derivate using the FFT.


No. I  I  I  I don't proth process the  the fundamental. I   I , ehm  I calculate the  the phase derivate using the FFT.

And  The algorithm said that , eh ,  if you  if you change the  the   the , eh , nnn  the X - the frequency " X " , eh , using the in the instantaneous frequency , you can find , eh , how , eh , in several frequencies that proba probably the  the harmonics , eh ,


And  The algorithm said that , eh ,  if you  if you change the  the   the , eh , nnn  the X - the frequency " X " , eh , using the in the instantaneous frequency , you can find , eh , how , eh , in several frequencies that proba probably the  the harmonics , eh ,

the errors of peaks  the frequency peaks , eh , eh , move around  these , eh  eh frequency harmonic  the frequency of the harmonic. And ,  eh , if you  if you compare the  the instantaneous frequency ,  eh ,  of the  of the , eh , continuous , eh ,  eh , filters , that , eh  that , eh , they used eh , to   to  to get , eh , the  the instantaneous frequency ,


the errors of peaks  the frequency peaks , eh , eh , move around  these , eh  eh frequency harmonic  the frequency of the harmonic. And ,  eh , if you  if you compare the  the instantaneous frequency ,  eh ,  of the  of the , eh , continuous , eh ,  eh , filters , that , eh  that , eh , they used eh , to   to  to get , eh , the  the instantaneous frequency ,

it probably too , you can find ,  eh , that the instantaneous frequency  for the continuous , eh ,  eh  the output of the continuous filters are very near. And in  my case  i in  equal with our signal ,  it doesn't happened.


the errors of peaks  the frequency peaks , eh , eh , move around  these , eh  eh frequency harmonic  the frequency of the harmonic. And ,  eh , if you  if you compare the  the instantaneous frequency ,  eh ,  of the  of the , eh , continuous , eh ,  eh , filters , that , eh  that , eh , they used eh , to   to  to get , eh , the  the instantaneous frequency ,

it probably too , you can find ,  eh , that the instantaneous frequency  for the continuous , eh ,  eh  the output of the continuous filters are very near. And in  my case  i in  equal with our signal ,  it doesn't happened.

Yeah. I 'd hafta look at that and think about it.


it probably too , you can find ,  eh , that the instantaneous frequency  for the continuous , eh ,  eh  the output of the continuous filters are very near. And in  my case  i in  equal with our signal ,  it doesn't happened.

Yeah. I 'd hafta look at that and think about it.


it probably too , you can find ,  eh , that the instantaneous frequency  for the continuous , eh ,  eh  the output of the continuous filters are very near. And in  my case  i in  equal with our signal ,  it doesn't happened.

Yeah. I 'd hafta look at that and think about it.

It 's  it 's  it 's  I haven't worked with that either so I 'm not sure  The way   the simple - minded way I suggested was what Chuck was just saying , is that you could make a  a sieve. You know , y you actually say that here is


Yeah. I 'd hafta look at that and think about it.

It 's  it 's  it 's  I haven't worked with that either so I 'm not sure  The way   the simple - minded way I suggested was what Chuck was just saying , is that you could make a  a sieve. You know , y you actually say that here is


It 's  it 's  it 's  I haven't worked with that either so I 'm not sure  The way   the simple - minded way I suggested was what Chuck was just saying , is that you could make a  a sieve. You know , y you actually say that here is

Let 's  let 's hypothesize that it 's this frequency or that frequency , and  and , uh , maybe you  maybe you could use some other cute methods to , uh , short cut it by  by uh , making some guesses ,


Let 's  let 's hypothesize that it 's this frequency or that frequency , and  and , uh , maybe you  maybe you could use some other cute methods to , uh , short cut it by  by uh , making some guesses ,

but  but uh  uh  uh , I would , uh  I mean you could make some guesses from , uh  from the auto - correlation or something but  but then , given those guesses , try , um , uh , only looking at the energy at multiples of the  of that frequency , and  and see how much of the  take the one that 's maximum. Call that the


but  but uh  uh  uh , I would , uh  I mean you could make some guesses from , uh  from the auto - correlation or something but  but then , given those guesses , try , um , uh , only looking at the energy at multiples of the  of that frequency , and  and see how much of the  take the one that 's maximum. Call that the


but  but uh  uh  uh , I would , uh  I mean you could make some guesses from , uh  from the auto - correlation or something but  but then , given those guesses , try , um , uh , only looking at the energy at multiples of the  of that frequency , and  and see how much of the  take the one that 's maximum. Call that the

Using the energy of the  of the multiple of the frequency.


Using the energy of the  of the multiple of the frequency.


Using the energy of the  of the multiple of the frequency.

Do you hafta do some kind of , uh , low - pass filter before you do that ?


Do you hafta do some kind of , uh , low - pass filter before you do that ?


Do you hafta do some kind of , uh , low - pass filter before you do that ?

But , I  I know many people use , eh , low - pass filter to  to  to get , eh , the pitch.


But , I  I know many people use , eh , low - pass filter to  to  to get , eh , the pitch.


But i But the harmonics are gonna be , uh , uh , I don't know what the right word is. Um , they 're gonna be dampened by the uh , vocal tract , right ? The response of the vocal tract.


But i But the harmonics are gonna be , uh , uh , I don't know what the right word is. Um , they 're gonna be dampened by the uh , vocal tract , right ? The response of the vocal tract.

And so  just looking at the energy on those  at the harmonics , is that gonna  ?


And so  just looking at the energy on those  at the harmonics , is that gonna  ?

Well so the thing is that the  This is for , uh , a , um


And so  just looking at the energy on those  at the harmonics , is that gonna  ?

Well so the thing is that the  This is for , uh , a , um

I m what you 'd like to do is get rid of the effect of the vocal tract. Right ?


Well so the thing is that the  This is for , uh , a , um

I m what you 'd like to do is get rid of the effect of the vocal tract. Right ?

And just look at the  at  at the signal coming out of the glottis.


I m what you 'd like to do is get rid of the effect of the vocal tract. Right ?

And just look at the  at  at the signal coming out of the glottis.


And just look at the  at  at the signal coming out of the glottis.


And just look at the  at  at the signal coming out of the glottis.

But , uh  but I  but   but I don't know that you need to


But , uh  but I  but   but I don't know that you need to


But , uh  but I  but   but I don't know that you need to

but I don't need you  know if you need to get rid of it. I mean that 'd  that 'd be nice but I don't know if it 's ess if it 's essential. Um , I mean  cuz I think the main thing is that , uh , you 're trying


but I don't need you  know if you need to get rid of it. I mean that 'd  that 'd be nice but I don't know if it 's ess if it 's essential. Um , I mean  cuz I think the main thing is that , uh , you 're trying

wha what are you doing this for ? You 're trying distinguish between the case where there is , uh  where  where there are more than  uh , where there 's more than one speaker and the case where there 's only one speaker.


wha what are you doing this for ? You 're trying distinguish between the case where there is , uh  where  where there are more than  uh , where there 's more than one speaker and the case where there 's only one speaker.

So if there 's more than one speaker , um  yeah I guess you could  I guess  yeah you 're  so you 're not distinguished between voiced and unvoiced , so  so , i if you don't  if you don't care about that


So if there 's more than one speaker , um  yeah I guess you could  I guess  yeah you 're  so you 're not distinguished between voiced and unvoiced , so  so , i if you don't  if you don't care about that

See , if you also wanna  just determine  if you also wanna determine whether it 's unvoiced ,  then I think you want to  look  look at high frequencies also , because the f the fact that there 's more energy in the high frequencies is gonna be an ob sort of obvious cue that it 's unvoiced.


See , if you also wanna  just determine  if you also wanna determine whether it 's unvoiced ,  then I think you want to  look  look at high frequencies also , because the f the fact that there 's more energy in the high frequencies is gonna be an ob sort of obvious cue that it 's unvoiced.

But , i i uh   I mean i i but , um , other than that I guess as far as the one person versus two persons , it would be  primarily a low frequency phenomenon. And if you looked at the low frequencies , yes the higher frequencies are gonna  there 's gonna be a spectral slope. The higher frequencies will be lower energy. But so what. I mean   that 's  that 's w


See , if you also wanna  just determine  if you also wanna determine whether it 's unvoiced ,  then I think you want to  look  look at high frequencies also , because the f the fact that there 's more energy in the high frequencies is gonna be an ob sort of obvious cue that it 's unvoiced.

But , i i uh   I mean i i but , um , other than that I guess as far as the one person versus two persons , it would be  primarily a low frequency phenomenon. And if you looked at the low frequencies , yes the higher frequencies are gonna  there 's gonna be a spectral slope. The higher frequencies will be lower energy. But so what. I mean   that 's  that 's w

I will prepare for the next week eh , all my results about the harmonicity and  will  will try to come in and to discuss here , because , eh , I haven't enough feeling to   to u  many time to   to understand what happened with the  with , eh , so many peaks , eh , eh , and  I  I see the harmonics there many time but , eh ,  there are a lot of peaks , eh , that , eh , they are not harmonics.


But , i i uh   I mean i i but , um , other than that I guess as far as the one person versus two persons , it would be  primarily a low frequency phenomenon. And if you looked at the low frequencies , yes the higher frequencies are gonna  there 's gonna be a spectral slope. The higher frequencies will be lower energy. But so what. I mean   that 's  that 's w

I will prepare for the next week eh , all my results about the harmonicity and  will  will try to come in and to discuss here , because , eh , I haven't enough feeling to   to u  many time to   to understand what happened with the  with , eh , so many peaks , eh , eh , and  I  I see the harmonics there many time but , eh ,  there are a lot of peaks , eh , that , eh , they are not harmonics.


But , i i uh   I mean i i but , um , other than that I guess as far as the one person versus two persons , it would be  primarily a low frequency phenomenon. And if you looked at the low frequencies , yes the higher frequencies are gonna  there 's gonna be a spectral slope. The higher frequencies will be lower energy. But so what. I mean   that 's  that 's w

I will prepare for the next week eh , all my results about the harmonicity and  will  will try to come in and to discuss here , because , eh , I haven't enough feeling to   to u  many time to   to understand what happened with the  with , eh , so many peaks , eh , eh , and  I  I see the harmonics there many time but , eh ,  there are a lot of peaks , eh , that , eh , they are not harmonics.

Um , I have to discover what  what is the  the w the best way to  to   to  c to use them


I will prepare for the next week eh , all my results about the harmonicity and  will  will try to come in and to discuss here , because , eh , I haven't enough feeling to   to u  many time to   to understand what happened with the  with , eh , so many peaks , eh , eh , and  I  I see the harmonics there many time but , eh ,  there are a lot of peaks , eh , that , eh , they are not harmonics.

Um , I have to discover what  what is the  the w the best way to  to   to  c to use them

Well , but  yeah I don't think you can  I mean you 're not gonna be able to look at every frame , so I mean  I  I mean I  I really  I I really thought that the best way to do it , and I 'm speaking with no experience on this particular point , but ,  my impression was that the best way to do it was however you  You 've used instantaneous frequency , whatever.  However you 've come up  you  with your candidates , you wanna see how much of the energy is in that


Um , I have to discover what  what is the  the w the best way to  to   to  c to use them

Well , but  yeah I don't think you can  I mean you 're not gonna be able to look at every frame , so I mean  I  I mean I  I really  I I really thought that the best way to do it , and I 'm speaking with no experience on this particular point , but ,  my impression was that the best way to do it was however you  You 've used instantaneous frequency , whatever.  However you 've come up  you  with your candidates , you wanna see how much of the energy is in that


Um , I have to discover what  what is the  the w the best way to  to   to  c to use them

Well , but  yeah I don't think you can  I mean you 're not gonna be able to look at every frame , so I mean  I  I mean I  I really  I I really thought that the best way to do it , and I 'm speaking with no experience on this particular point , but ,  my impression was that the best way to do it was however you  You 've used instantaneous frequency , whatever.  However you 've come up  you  with your candidates , you wanna see how much of the energy is in that

as coppo as opposed to all of the  all  the total energy. And , um , if it 's voiced , I guess  so  so y I think maybe you do need a voiced - unvoiced determination too. But if it 's voiced ,


Well , but  yeah I don't think you can  I mean you 're not gonna be able to look at every frame , so I mean  I  I mean I  I really  I I really thought that the best way to do it , and I 'm speaking with no experience on this particular point , but ,  my impression was that the best way to do it was however you  You 've used instantaneous frequency , whatever.  However you 've come up  you  with your candidates , you wanna see how much of the energy is in that

as coppo as opposed to all of the  all  the total energy. And , um , if it 's voiced , I guess  so  so y I think maybe you do need a voiced - unvoiced determination too. But if it 's voiced ,


as coppo as opposed to all of the  all  the total energy. And , um , if it 's voiced , I guess  so  so y I think maybe you do need a voiced - unvoiced determination too. But if it 's voiced ,

um , and the , uh  e the fraction of the energy that 's in the harmonic sequence that you 're looking at is relatively low , then it should be  then it 's more likely to be an overlap.


as coppo as opposed to all of the  all  the total energy. And , um , if it 's voiced , I guess  so  so y I think maybe you do need a voiced - unvoiced determination too. But if it 's voiced ,

um , and the , uh  e the fraction of the energy that 's in the harmonic sequence that you 're looking at is relatively low , then it should be  then it 's more likely to be an overlap.

Is height. Yeah. This  this is the idea  the idea I  I  I had to  to compare the  the ratio of the   the energy of the harmonics with the  eh , with the , eh , total energy in the spectrum and try to get a ratio to  to distinguish between overlapping and speech. Mmm.


um , and the , uh  e the fraction of the energy that 's in the harmonic sequence that you 're looking at is relatively low , then it should be  then it 's more likely to be an overlap.

Is height. Yeah. This  this is the idea  the idea I  I  I had to  to compare the  the ratio of the   the energy of the harmonics with the  eh , with the , eh , total energy in the spectrum and try to get a ratio to  to distinguish between overlapping and speech. Mmm.

But you 're looking a y you 're looking at  Let 's take a second with this. Uh , uh , you 're looking at f at the phase derivative , um , in  in , uh , what domain ? I mean this is  this is in  in  in  in bands ? Or  or