The way that it works is each person goes around in turn ,  and uh you say the transcript number and then you read the digits , the  the strings of numbers as individual digits.

So you don't say " eight hundred and fifty " , you say " eight five oh " , and so forth.


The way that it works is each person goes around in turn ,  and uh you say the transcript number and then you read the digits , the  the strings of numbers as individual digits.

So you don't say " eight hundred and fifty " , you say " eight five oh " , and so forth.

OK. OK. So can  maybe  can I t maybe start then ?


So you don't say " eight hundred and fifty " , you say " eight five oh " , and so forth.

OK. OK. So can  maybe  can I t maybe start then ?


OK , this is one channel. Can you uh , say your name and talk into your mike one at a time ?

This is Eric on channel three , I believe.

OK. Uh , I don't think it 's on there , Jane.


This is Eric on channel three , I believe.

OK. Uh , I don't think it 's on there , Jane.


OK. Uh , I don't think it 's on there , Jane.


Can you see me on channel four ? Really ?


Can you see me on channel four ? Really ?

Uh , screen no ,  it is , oh , maybe it just warmed up ?


Uh , screen no ,  it is , oh , maybe it just warmed up ?


Uh , screen no ,  it is , oh , maybe it just warmed up ?

Oh , darn , can you can't see channel five yet ?


Uh , screen no ,  it is , oh , maybe it just warmed up ?

Oh , darn , can you can't see channel five yet ?

Uh , well , the mike isn't close enough to your mouth , so.


Oh , darn , can you can't see channel five yet ?

Uh , well , the mike isn't close enough to your mouth , so.

Oh , this would be k OK , is that better ?


Uh , well , the mike isn't close enough to your mouth , so.

Oh , this would be k OK , is that better ?


Oh , this would be k OK , is that better ?


David , can we borrow your labelling machine to improve the quality of the labelling a little bit here ?


cuz we 've already have like , forms filled out with the numbers on them. So , let 's keep the same numbers on them.


cuz we 've already have like , forms filled out with the numbers on them. So , let 's keep the same numbers on them.

I 'm on  I 'm on two and I should be on.


I 'm on  I 'm on two and I should be on.


I 'm on  I 'm on two and I should be on.

Want to join the meeting , Dave ? Do we  do  do we have a spare , uh


Want to join the meeting , Dave ? Do we  do  do we have a spare , uh

And I 'm getting lots of responses on different ones , so I assume  the various and assorted P Z Ms are on.


Want to join the meeting , Dave ? Do we  do  do we have a spare , uh

And I 'm getting lots of responses on different ones , so I assume  the various and assorted P Z Ms are on.

We ' r we 're  we ' r This is  this  this is a meeting meeting.


Want to join the meeting , Dave ? Do we  do  do we have a spare , uh

And I 'm getting lots of responses on different ones , so I assume  the various and assorted P Z Ms are on.

We ' r we 're  we ' r This is  this  this is a meeting meeting.

This is abou we 're  we 're mainly being taped but we 're gonna talk about , uh , transcription for the m future meeting meetings.


And I 'm getting lots of responses on different ones , so I assume  the various and assorted P Z Ms are on.

We ' r we 're  we ' r This is  this  this is a meeting meeting.

This is abou we 're  we 're mainly being taped but we 're gonna talk about , uh , transcription for the m future meeting meetings.

Stuff. Yeah , this is not something you need to attend. So.


We ' r we 're  we ' r This is  this  this is a meeting meeting.

This is abou we 're  we 're mainly being taped but we 're gonna talk about , uh , transcription for the m future meeting meetings.

Stuff. Yeah , this is not something you need to attend. So.


This is abou we 're  we 're mainly being taped but we 're gonna talk about , uh , transcription for the m future meeting meetings.

Stuff. Yeah , this is not something you need to attend. So.

You 're always having one of those days , Dave.


Stuff. Yeah , this is not something you need to attend. So.

You 're always having one of those days , Dave.


You 're always having one of those days , Dave.

Besides , I don't want anyone who has a weird accent.


Besides , I don't want anyone who has a weird accent.


Besides , I don't want anyone who has a weird accent.

So , I don't understand if it 's neck mounted you don't get very good performance.


So , I don't understand if it 's neck mounted you don't get very good performance.

It 's not neck mounted. It 's supposed to be h head mounted.


So , I don't understand if it 's neck mounted you don't get very good performance.

It 's not neck mounted. It 's supposed to be h head mounted.

Yeah. It  it should be head mounted. Right ?


It 's not neck mounted. It 's supposed to be h head mounted.

Yeah. It  it should be head mounted. Right ?


Yeah. It  it should be head mounted. Right ?


Cuz when you do this , you can  Rouww - Rouww.


Cuz when you do this , you can  Rouww - Rouww.

Why didn't I  you were saying that but I could hear you really well on the  on the transcription  on the , uh , tape.


Cuz when you do this , you can  Rouww - Rouww.

Why didn't I  you were saying that but I could hear you really well on the  on the transcription  on the , uh , tape.

Well , I m I would prefer that people wore it on their head


Why didn't I  you were saying that but I could hear you really well on the  on the transcription  on the , uh , tape.

Well , I m I would prefer that people wore it on their head

but they were complaining about it. Because it 's not  it doesn't go over the ears.


Well , I m I would prefer that people wore it on their head

but they were complaining about it. Because it 's not  it doesn't go over the ears.


but they were complaining about it. Because it 's not  it doesn't go over the ears.


What do you mean it doesn't go over the ears ?


What do you mean it doesn't go over the ears ?

Why ? It 's not s It 's not supposed to cover up your ears.


What do you mean it doesn't go over the ears ?

Why ? It 's not s It 's not supposed to cover up your ears.

Yeah but , there 's nowhere to put the pad so it 's comfortable.


Why ? It 's not s It 's not supposed to cover up your ears.

Yeah but , there 's nowhere to put the pad so it 's comfortable.

So that 's what you 're d He 's got it on his temples so it cuts off his circulation.


Yeah but , there 's nowhere to put the pad so it 's comfortable.

So that 's what you 're d He 's got it on his temples so it cuts off his circulation.


So that 's what you 're d He 's got it on his temples so it cuts off his circulation.


So I  I again would like to do some digits.


Well , you know , I 'm just that sort of  digit - y g sorta guy. OK. So this is Adam.


I think we 're session four by the way. Or m it might be five.


Now , just to be sure , the numbers on the back , this is the channel ?


But number has to be  ? So we have to look up the number.


Good. OK. Well , this is Jane , on mike number five. Um. I just start ? Do I need to say anything more ?


Good. OK. Well , this is Jane , on mike number five. Um. I just start ? Do I need to say anything more ?

OK , this is Eric on microphone number three ,


OK , this is Eric on microphone number three ,


OK , this is Eric on microphone number three ,

Thanks. Should I turn off the VU meter Dan ? Do you think that makes any difference ?


Thanks. Should I turn off the VU meter Dan ? Do you think that makes any difference ?

Why ? Are you gonna do something other than hit " quit " ?


Thanks. Should I turn off the VU meter Dan ? Do you think that makes any difference ?

Why ? Are you gonna do something other than hit " quit " ?

No , but I 'm gonna look at the uh , logs as well.


Why ? Are you gonna do something other than hit " quit " ?

No , but I 'm gonna look at the uh , logs as well.


No , but I 'm gonna look at the uh , logs as well.

The VU meter which tells you what the levels on the various mikes are and there was one hypothesis that perhaps that   the act of recording the VU meter was one of the things that contributed to the errors.


The VU meter which tells you what the levels on the various mikes are and there was one hypothesis that perhaps that   the act of recording the VU meter was one of the things that contributed to the errors.


The VU meter which tells you what the levels on the various mikes are and there was one hypothesis that perhaps that   the act of recording the VU meter was one of the things that contributed to the errors.

Yeah , but Eric , uh , you didn't think that was a reasonable hypothesis , right ?


Yeah , but Eric , uh , you didn't think that was a reasonable hypothesis , right ?


Well , the only reason that could be is if the driver has a bug. Right ? Because the machine just isn't very heavily loaded.


Well , the only reason that could be is if the driver has a bug. Right ? Because the machine just isn't very heavily loaded.

No chance of that. Just because it 's beta. Look OK ?


Well , the only reason that could be is if the driver has a bug. Right ? Because the machine just isn't very heavily loaded.

No chance of that. Just because it 's beta. Look OK ?

Yeah , there  there  there was  there was a  there was a bug. There was a glitch last time we ran.


No chance of that. Just because it 's beta. Look OK ?

Yeah , there  there  there was  there was a  there was a bug. There was a glitch last time we ran.

Are - are yo are you recording where the table mikes are by the way ?


Yeah , there  there  there was  there was a  there was a bug. There was a glitch last time we ran.

Are - are yo are you recording where the table mikes are by the way ?


Are - are yo are you recording where the table mikes are by the way ?


But we  we ought to st we ought to standardize.


But we  we ought to st we ought to standardize.

I think ,  uh , I s I spoke to somebody , Morgan ,  about that. I think  I think we should put mar Well , no , w we can do that.


I think ,  uh , I s I spoke to somebody , Morgan ,  about that. I think  I think we should put mar Well , no , w we can do that.

I mean , that 's what we 've done before.


I think ,  uh , I s I spoke to somebody , Morgan ,  about that. I think  I think we should put mar Well , no , w we can do that.

I mean , that 's what we 've done before.

I know what they  they 're  they 're four , three , two , one. In order now.


I mean , that 's what we 've done before.

I know what they  they 're  they 're four , three , two , one. In order now.


I know what they  they 're  they 're four , three , two , one. In order now.


But I think  I think we should put them in standard positions. I think we should make little marks on the table top.


But I think  I think we should put them in standard positions. I think we should make little marks on the table top.

Which means we need to move this thing , and sorta decide how we 're actually going to do things.


Which means we need to move this thing , and sorta decide how we 're actually going to do things.


It 'll be a lot easier if we have a  if we have them permanently in place or something like that.


It 'll be a lot easier if we have a  if we have them permanently in place or something like that.

I do wish there were big booms coming down from the ceiling.


I do wish there were big booms coming down from the ceiling.


Uh , I think Lila actually is almost getting r pretty close to even getting ready to put out the purchase order.


Uh , I think Lila actually is almost getting r pretty close to even getting ready to put out the purchase order.

I handed it off to her about a month ago.


I handed it off to her about a month ago.

OK , so , topic of this meeting is I wanna talk a little bit about transcription. Um , I 've looked a little bit into commercial transcription services and Jane has been working on doing transcription. Uh , and so we wan wanna decide what we 're gonna do with that and then get an update on the electronics , and then , uh , maybe also talk a little bit about some infrastructure and tools , and so on. Um , you know , eventually we 're probably gonna wanna distribute this thing and we should decide how we 're gonna  how we 're gonna handle some of these factors. So.


OK , so , topic of this meeting is I wanna talk a little bit about transcription. Um , I 've looked a little bit into commercial transcription services and Jane has been working on doing transcription. Uh , and so we wan wanna decide what we 're gonna do with that and then get an update on the electronics , and then , uh , maybe also talk a little bit about some infrastructure and tools , and so on. Um , you know , eventually we 're probably gonna wanna distribute this thing and we should decide how we 're gonna  how we 're gonna handle some of these factors. So.


Right. Right. I mean , so we 're  we 're collecting a corpus and I think it 's gonna be generally useful. I mean , it seems like it 's not a corpus which is  uh , has been done before. And so I think people will be interested in having  having it ,


Right. Right. I mean , so we 're  we 're collecting a corpus and I think it 's gonna be generally useful. I mean , it seems like it 's not a corpus which is  uh , has been done before. And so I think people will be interested in having  having it ,

u Using , like , audio D V Ds or something like that ?


u Using , like , audio D V Ds or something like that ?


Well , or something. Yeah , audio D V C Ds ,


And  and so how we do we distribute the transcripts , how do we distribute the audio files , how do we  how do we just do all that infrastructure ?


And  and so how we do we distribute the transcripts , how do we distribute the audio files , how do we  how do we just do all that infrastructure ?

Well , I think  I mean , for that particular issue ther there are known sources where people go to  to find these kind of things like the LDC for instance.


And  and so how we do we distribute the transcripts , how do we distribute the audio files , how do we  how do we just do all that infrastructure ?

Well , I think  I mean , for that particular issue ther there are known sources where people go to  to find these kind of things like the LDC for instance.

Right , but  but so should we do it in the same format as LDC


Well , I think  I mean , for that particular issue ther there are known sources where people go to  to find these kind of things like the LDC for instance.

Right , but  but so should we do it in the same format as LDC


Right , but  but so should we do it in the same format as LDC

and what does that mean to what we 've done already ?


Right , but  but so should we do it in the same format as LDC

and what does that mean to what we 've done already ?

Right. The  It 's not so much the actu The logistics of distribution are secondary to  preparing the data in a suitable form for distribution.


and what does that mean to what we 've done already ?

Right. The  It 's not so much the actu The logistics of distribution are secondary to  preparing the data in a suitable form for distribution.


and what does that mean to what we 've done already ?

Right. The  It 's not so much the actu The logistics of distribution are secondary to  preparing the data in a suitable form for distribution.

Right. So , uh , as it is , it 's sort of a  ad - hoc combination of stuff Dan set and stuff I set up , which we may wanna make a little more formal. So.


Right. The  It 's not so much the actu The logistics of distribution are secondary to  preparing the data in a suitable form for distribution.

Right. So , uh , as it is , it 's sort of a  ad - hoc combination of stuff Dan set and stuff I set up , which we may wanna make a little more formal. So.

And the other thing is that , um , University of Washington may want to start recording meetings as well ,


Right. So , uh , as it is , it 's sort of a  ad - hoc combination of stuff Dan set and stuff I set up , which we may wanna make a little more formal. So.

And the other thing is that , um , University of Washington may want to start recording meetings as well ,


Right. So , uh , as it is , it 's sort of a  ad - hoc combination of stuff Dan set and stuff I set up , which we may wanna make a little more formal. So.

And the other thing is that , um , University of Washington may want to start recording meetings as well ,

in which case w w we 'll have to decide what we 've actually got so that we can give them a copy.


And the other thing is that , um , University of Washington may want to start recording meetings as well ,

in which case w w we 'll have to decide what we 've actually got so that we can give them a copy.


in which case w w we 'll have to decide what we 've actually got so that we can give them a copy.


in which case w w we 'll have to decide what we 've actually got so that we can give them a copy.

Yeah. I was actually thinking I wouldn't mind spending the summer up there. That would be kind of fun.


Yeah. I was actually thinking I wouldn't mind spending the summer up there. That would be kind of fun.


Yeah. I was actually thinking I wouldn't mind spending the summer up there. That would be kind of fun.

Yeah. Visit my friends and spend some time


Yeah. Visit my friends and spend some time

Well , and then also I have a bunch of stuff for doing this digits. So I have a bunch of scripts with X Waves , and some Perl scripts , and other things that make it really easy to extract out  and align where the digits are. And if U d UW 's going to do the same thing I think it 's worth while for them to do these digits tasks as well.


Well , and then also I have a bunch of stuff for doing this digits. So I have a bunch of scripts with X Waves , and some Perl scripts , and other things that make it really easy to extract out  and align where the digits are. And if U d UW 's going to do the same thing I think it 's worth while for them to do these digits tasks as well.

And what I 've done is pretty ad - hoc , um , so we might wanna change it over to something a little more standard.


And what I 've done is pretty ad - hoc , um , so we might wanna change it over to something a little more standard.

You know , STM files , or XML , or something.


You know , STM files , or XML , or something.


Well they  they certainly wanna collect more data. And so they 're applying , I think I B Is that right ? Something like that.


Well they  they certainly wanna collect more data. And so they 're applying , I think I B Is that right ? Something like that.

Um , for some more money to do more data. So we were planning to do like thirty or forty hours worth of meetings. They wanna do an additional hundred or so hours. So , they want a very large data set. Um , but of course we 're not gonna do that if we don't get money. So.


Um , for some more money to do more data. So we were planning to do like thirty or forty hours worth of meetings. They wanna do an additional hundred or so hours. So , they want a very large data set. Um , but of course we 're not gonna do that if we don't get money. So.

And I would like that just to get a disjoint speaker set and a disjoint room. I mean , one of the things Morgan and I were talking about is we 're gonna get to know this room really well ,


And I would like that just to get a disjoint speaker set and a disjoint room. I mean , one of the things Morgan and I were talking about is we 're gonna get to know this room really well ,


Oh , now you 've touched the fan control , now all our data 's gonna be


things after the f then This fan 's wired backwards by the way. Uh , I think this is high speed here.


things after the f then This fan 's wired backwards by the way. Uh , I think this is high speed here.

Well it 's  well like  " low " is mid  mid - scale.


Well it 's  well like  " low " is mid  mid - scale.


Well it 's  well like  " low " is mid  mid - scale.

So it could be  that it 's not actually wired backwards


So it could be  that it 's not actually wired backwards


So it could be  that it 's not actually wired backwards

I was wondering also , Get ready.  whether the lights made any noise.


I was wondering also , Get ready.  whether the lights made any noise.


So ,  do our meetings in the dark with no air conditioning in the future.


So ,  do our meetings in the dark with no air conditioning in the future.

I think candles would be nice if they don't make noise.


I think candles would be nice if they don't make noise.


I think candles would be nice if they don't make noise.

It would  you know , it would real really mean that we should do short meetings when you  turn off the   turn off the air conditioning ,


It would  you know , it would real really mean that we should do short meetings when you  turn off the   turn off the air conditioning ,


It would  you know , it would real really mean that we should do short meetings when you  turn off the   turn off the air conditioning ,

Short meetings , that 's right. Or  Yeah , sort of  r r


Short meetings , that 's right. Or  Yeah , sort of  r r

Tear t  Tear your clothing off to stay cool.


Tear t  Tear your clothing off to stay cool.

Actually , the a th air  the air conditioning 's still working , that 's just an auxiliary fan.


Actually , the a th air  the air conditioning 's still working , that 's just an auxiliary fan.


Actually , the a th air  the air conditioning 's still working , that 's just an auxiliary fan.

So , um , in addition to this issue about the UW stuff there was announced today , uh , via the LDC , um , a corpus from I believe Santa Barbara.


So , um , in addition to this issue about the UW stuff there was announced today , uh , via the LDC , um , a corpus from I believe Santa Barbara.

Yeah , I saw it. I 've been watching for that corpus.


Yeah , I saw it. I 've been watching for that corpus.

And I don't know exactly how they recorded it but apparently there 's a lot of different  styles of speech and what not.


And I don't know exactly how they recorded it but apparently there 's a lot of different  styles of speech and what not.


And I don't know exactly how they recorded it but apparently there 's a lot of different  styles of speech and what not.

They had people come in to a certain degree and they  and they have DAT recorders.


They had people come in to a certain degree and they  and they have DAT recorders.

I see. So it is sort of far field stuff. Right ?


They had people come in to a certain degree and they  and they have DAT recorders.

I see. So it is sort of far field stuff. Right ?

I  I assume so , actually , I hadn't thought about that. Unless they added close field later on but , um , I 've listened to some of those data and I , um , I 've been  I  I was actually on the advisory board for when they set the project up.


I see. So it is sort of far field stuff. Right ?

I  I assume so , actually , I hadn't thought about that. Unless they added close field later on but , um , I 've listened to some of those data and I , um , I 've been  I  I was actually on the advisory board for when they set the project up.


I  I assume so , actually , I hadn't thought about that. Unless they added close field later on but , um , I 've listened to some of those data and I , um , I 've been  I  I was actually on the advisory board for when they set the project up.


I wish we had someone here working on adaptation


I wish we had someone here working on adaptation

because it would nice to be able to take that stuff and adapt it to a meeting setting. You know


I wish we had someone here working on adaptation

because it would nice to be able to take that stuff and adapt it to a meeting setting. You know

How do you mean  do you mean mechanical adaptation or


because it would nice to be able to take that stuff and adapt it to a meeting setting. You know

How do you mean  do you mean mechanical adaptation or

No , software , to adapt the speech recognition.


How do you mean  do you mean mechanical adaptation or

No , software , to adapt the speech recognition.


How do you mean  do you mean mechanical adaptation or

No , software , to adapt the speech recognition.

Well , what I was thinking is it may be useful in transcribing , if it 's far field stuff ,


No , software , to adapt the speech recognition.

Well , what I was thinking is it may be useful in transcribing , if it 's far field stuff ,


Well , what I was thinking is it may be useful in transcribing , if it 's far field stuff ,

right ? In doing , um , some of our first automatic speech recognition models , it may be useful to have that kind of data


right ? In doing , um , some of our first automatic speech recognition models , it may be useful to have that kind of data

because that 's very different than any kind of data that we have so far.


because that 's very different than any kind of data that we have so far.

And  and their recording conditions are really clean. I mean , I 've  I 've heard  I 've listened to the data.


And  and their recording conditions are really clean. I mean , I 've  I 've heard  I 've listened to the data.


But far field means great distance ? I mean


And so that 's why they 're getting away with just two channels or something , or are they using multiple DATs ?


And so that 's why they 're getting away with just two channels or something , or are they using multiple DATs ?

Um , oh , good question and I can't ans answer it.


Um , oh , good question and I can't ans answer it.

No , and their web  their web page didn't answer it either. So I 'm , I uh , was thinking that we should contact them.


No , and their web  their web page didn't answer it either. So I 'm , I uh , was thinking that we should contact them.


No , and their web  their web page didn't answer it either. So I 'm , I uh , was thinking that we should contact them.

So it 's  that 's sort of a beside - the - point point. But.


No , and their web  their web page didn't answer it either. So I 'm , I uh , was thinking that we should contact them.

So it 's  that 's sort of a beside - the - point point. But.

So we can get that just with , uh , media costs ,


So it 's  that 's sort of a beside - the - point point. But.

So we can get that just with , uh , media costs ,


So we can get that just with , uh , media costs ,


cuz they 're distributing it through the LDC.


cuz they 're distributing it through the LDC.

So that would be  yeah , that would be something to look into. So.


So that would be  yeah , that would be something to look into. So.

So , I can  I can actually arrange for it to arrive in short order if we 're


So that would be  yeah , that would be something to look into. So.

So , I can  I can actually arrange for it to arrive in short order if we 're

Well , it 's silly to do unless we 're gonna have someone to work on it , so maybe we need to think about it a little bit.


So , I can  I can actually arrange for it to arrive in short order if we 're

Well , it 's silly to do unless we 're gonna have someone to work on it , so maybe we need to think about it a little bit.


Well , it 's silly to do unless we 're gonna have someone to work on it , so maybe we need to think about it a little bit.

The other thing too is that their their jus their transcription format is really nice and simple in  in the discourse domain. But they also mentioned that they have it time aligned. I mean , I s I  I saw that write - up.


Well , it 's silly to do unless we 're gonna have someone to work on it , so maybe we need to think about it a little bit.

The other thing too is that their their jus their transcription format is really nice and simple in  in the discourse domain. But they also mentioned that they have it time aligned. I mean , I s I  I saw that write - up.

Yeah. Maybe we should  maybe we should get a copy of it just to see what they did


The other thing too is that their their jus their transcription format is really nice and simple in  in the discourse domain. But they also mentioned that they have it time aligned. I mean , I s I  I saw that write - up.

Yeah. Maybe we should  maybe we should get a copy of it just to see what they did


Yeah. Maybe we should  maybe we should get a copy of it just to see what they did


OK , why don't you go ahead and do that then Eric ?


OK , why don't you go ahead and do that then Eric ?

Alright , I 'll do that. I can't remember the name of the corpus. It 's Corps - S


Alright , I 'll do that. I can't remember the name of the corpus. It 's Corps - S


Yeah , sp I 've been  I was really pleased to see that. I knew that they   they had had some funding problems in completing it


and the there 's still more that they 're gonna do apparently or something like that unless of course they have funding issues


and the there 's still more that they 're gonna do apparently or something like that unless of course they have funding issues

and then then it ma they may not do phase two but  from all the web documentation it looked like , " oh , this is phase one " , whatever that means.


and the there 's still more that they 're gonna do apparently or something like that unless of course they have funding issues

and then then it ma they may not do phase two but  from all the web documentation it looked like , " oh , this is phase one " , whatever that means.

Super. Super. Great. Yeah , that  I mean , they 're really well respected in the linguistics d side too and the discourse area ,


and then then it ma they may not do phase two but  from all the web documentation it looked like , " oh , this is phase one " , whatever that means.

Super. Super. Great. Yeah , that  I mean , they 're really well respected in the linguistics d side too and the discourse area ,


Super. Super. Great. Yeah , that  I mean , they 're really well respected in the linguistics d side too and the discourse area ,

But , it uh it would also maybe help be helpful for Liz , if she wanted to start working on some discourse issues , you know , looking at some of this data and then ,


But , it uh it would also maybe help be helpful for Liz , if she wanted to start working on some discourse issues , you know , looking at some of this data and then ,


But , it uh it would also maybe help be helpful for Liz , if she wanted to start working on some discourse issues , you know , looking at some of this data and then ,

you know  So when she gets here maybe that might be a good thing for her.


But , it uh it would also maybe help be helpful for Liz , if she wanted to start working on some discourse issues , you know , looking at some of this data and then ,

you know  So when she gets here maybe that might be a good thing for her.

Actually , that 's another thing I was thinking about is that maybe Jane should talk to Liz , to see if there are any transcription issues related to discourse that she needs to get marked.


you know  So when she gets here maybe that might be a good thing for her.

Actually , that 's another thing I was thinking about is that maybe Jane should talk to Liz , to see if there are any transcription issues related to discourse that she needs to get marked.


you know  So when she gets here maybe that might be a good thing for her.

Actually , that 's another thing I was thinking about is that maybe Jane should talk to Liz , to see if there are any transcription issues related to discourse that she needs to get marked.

Maybe we should have a big meeting meeting.


Actually , that 's another thing I was thinking about is that maybe Jane should talk to Liz , to see if there are any transcription issues related to discourse that she needs to get marked.

Maybe we should have a big meeting meeting.


Maybe we should have a big meeting meeting.

That would be a meeting meeting meeting ?


That would be a meeting meeting meeting ?


That would be a meeting meeting meeting ?

Well this is the meeting about the meeting meeting meeting. So.


Well this is the meeting about the meeting meeting meeting. So.


Well this is the meeting about the meeting meeting meeting. So.

Right. But maybe we should , uh find some day that Liz  uh , Liz and Andreas seem to be around more often.


Right. But maybe we should , uh find some day that Liz  uh , Liz and Andreas seem to be around more often.


Right. But maybe we should , uh find some day that Liz  uh , Liz and Andreas seem to be around more often.

So maybe we should find a day when they 're gonna be here and  and Morgan 's gonna be here , and we can meet , at least this subgroup. I mean , not necessarily have the U - dub people down.


Right. But maybe we should , uh find some day that Liz  uh , Liz and Andreas seem to be around more often.

So maybe we should find a day when they 're gonna be here and  and Morgan 's gonna be here , and we can meet , at least this subgroup. I mean , not necessarily have the U - dub people down.

Well , I was even thinking that maybe we need to at least ping the U - dub  to see


So maybe we should find a day when they 're gonna be here and  and Morgan 's gonna be here , and we can meet , at least this subgroup. I mean , not necessarily have the U - dub people down.

Well , I was even thinking that maybe we need to at least ping the U - dub  to see

We need  we need to talk to them some more.


So maybe we should find a day when they 're gonna be here and  and Morgan 's gonna be here , and we can meet , at least this subgroup. I mean , not necessarily have the U - dub people down.

Well , I was even thinking that maybe we need to at least ping the U - dub  to see

We need  we need to talk to them some more.

you know , say " this is what we 're thinking about for our transcription " , if nothing else. So , well w shall we move on and talk a little bit about transcription then ?


Well , I was even thinking that maybe we need to at least ping the U - dub  to see

We need  we need to talk to them some more.

you know , say " this is what we 're thinking about for our transcription " , if nothing else. So , well w shall we move on and talk a little bit about transcription then ?


We need  we need to talk to them some more.

you know , say " this is what we 're thinking about for our transcription " , if nothing else. So , well w shall we move on and talk a little bit about transcription then ?


you know , say " this is what we 're thinking about for our transcription " , if nothing else. So , well w shall we move on and talk a little bit about transcription then ?

OK , so   since that 's what we 're talking about. What we 're using right now is a tool , um , from this French group , called " Transcriber " that seems to work very well. Um , so it has a , uh , nice useful Tcl - TK user interface and , uh ,


OK , so   since that 's what we 're talking about. What we 're using right now is a tool , um , from this French group , called " Transcriber " that seems to work very well. Um , so it has a , uh , nice useful Tcl - TK user interface and , uh ,

Thi - this is the process of converting audio to text ?


OK , so   since that 's what we 're talking about. What we 're using right now is a tool , um , from this French group , called " Transcriber " that seems to work very well. Um , so it has a , uh , nice useful Tcl - TK user interface and , uh ,

Thi - this is the process of converting audio to text ?

And this requires humans just like the  the STP stuff.


Thi - this is the process of converting audio to text ?

And this requires humans just like the  the STP stuff.

Yes , yeah. Right , right. So we 're  we 're at this point only looking for word level. So all  all  so what you have to do is just identify a segment of speech in time , and then write down what was said within it , and identify the speaker. And so the things we  that we know  that I know I want are  the text , the start and end , and the speaker. But other people are interested in for example stress marking. And so Jane is doing primary stress ,  um , stress marks as well. Um , and then things like repairs , and false starts , and ,  filled pauses , and all that other sort of stuff ,  we have to decide how much of that we wanna do.


And this requires humans just like the  the STP stuff.

Yes , yeah. Right , right. So we 're  we 're at this point only looking for word level. So all  all  so what you have to do is just identify a segment of speech in time , and then write down what was said within it , and identify the speaker. And so the things we  that we know  that I know I want are  the text , the start and end , and the speaker. But other people are interested in for example stress marking. And so Jane is doing primary stress ,  um , stress marks as well. Um , and then things like repairs , and false starts , and ,  filled pauses , and all that other sort of stuff ,  we have to decide how much of that we wanna do.

I did include a glo  uh , a certain first pass. My  my view on it was when you have a repair  then , uh  it seems  I mean , we saw , there was this presentation in the  one of the speech group meetings about how


Yes , yeah. Right , right. So we 're  we 're at this point only looking for word level. So all  all  so what you have to do is just identify a segment of speech in time , and then write down what was said within it , and identify the speaker. And so the things we  that we know  that I know I want are  the text , the start and end , and the speaker. But other people are interested in for example stress marking. And so Jane is doing primary stress ,  um , stress marks as well. Um , and then things like repairs , and false starts , and ,  filled pauses , and all that other sort of stuff ,  we have to decide how much of that we wanna do.

I did include a glo  uh , a certain first pass. My  my view on it was when you have a repair  then , uh  it seems  I mean , we saw , there was this presentation in the  one of the speech group meetings about how

and I think Liz has done some stuff too on that , that it , uh   that you get it bracketed in terms of like  well , if it 's parenthetical , which I know that Liz has worked on , then  uh  y y you 'll have different prosodic aspects.


I did include a glo  uh , a certain first pass. My  my view on it was when you have a repair  then , uh  it seems  I mean , we saw , there was this presentation in the  one of the speech group meetings about how

and I think Liz has done some stuff too on that , that it , uh   that you get it bracketed in terms of like  well , if it 's parenthetical , which I know that Liz has worked on , then  uh  y y you 'll have different prosodic aspects.


and I think Liz has done some stuff too on that , that it , uh   that you get it bracketed in terms of like  well , if it 's parenthetical , which I know that Liz has worked on , then  uh  y y you 'll have different prosodic aspects.


and I think Liz has done some stuff too on that , that it , uh   that you get it bracketed in terms of like  well , if it 's parenthetical , which I know that Liz has worked on , then  uh  y y you 'll have different prosodic aspects.

And then also  if it 's a r if it 's a repair where they 're  like what I just did ,  then it 's nice to have sort of a sense of the continuity of the utterance , the start to be to the finish. And , uh , it 's a little bit deceptive if you include the repai the pre - repair part  and sometimes or of it 's in the middle. Anyway ,  so what I was doing was bracketing them to indicate that they were repairs which isn't uh , very time - consuming.


And then also  if it 's a r if it 's a repair where they 're  like what I just did ,  then it 's nice to have sort of a sense of the continuity of the utterance , the start to be to the finish. And , uh , it 's a little bit deceptive if you include the repai the pre - repair part  and sometimes or of it 's in the middle. Anyway ,  so what I was doing was bracketing them to indicate that they were repairs which isn't uh , very time - consuming.


And then also  if it 's a r if it 's a repair where they 're  like what I just did ,  then it 's nice to have sort of a sense of the continuity of the utterance , the start to be to the finish. And , uh , it 's a little bit deceptive if you include the repai the pre - repair part  and sometimes or of it 's in the middle. Anyway ,  so what I was doing was bracketing them to indicate that they were repairs which isn't uh , very time - consuming.

I is there already some sort of plan in place for how this gonna be staffed or done ? Or is it real  is that what we 're talking about here ?


And then also  if it 's a r if it 's a repair where they 're  like what I just did ,  then it 's nice to have sort of a sense of the continuity of the utterance , the start to be to the finish. And , uh , it 's a little bit deceptive if you include the repai the pre - repair part  and sometimes or of it 's in the middle. Anyway ,  so what I was doing was bracketing them to indicate that they were repairs which isn't uh , very time - consuming.

I is there already some sort of plan in place for how this gonna be staffed or done ? Or is it real  is that what we 're talking about here ?

Well , that 's part of the thing we 're talking about. So what we wanted to do was have Jane do basically one meeting 's worth , you know , forty minutes to an hour ,


I is there already some sort of plan in place for how this gonna be staffed or done ? Or is it real  is that what we 're talking about here ?

Well , that 's part of the thing we 're talking about. So what we wanted to do was have Jane do basically one meeting 's worth , you know , forty minutes to an hour ,


Well , that 's part of the thing we 're talking about. So what we wanted to do was have Jane do basically one meeting 's worth , you know , forty minutes to an hour ,


It  this is  this is like five times real time or ten times real time


It  this is  this is like five times real time or ten times real time

Ten times about , is  and so one of the things was to get an estimate of how long it would take , and then also what tools we would use. And so the next decision which has to be made actually pretty soon is how are we gonna do it ? So.


It  this is  this is like five times real time or ten times real time

Ten times about , is  and so one of the things was to get an estimate of how long it would take , and then also what tools we would use. And so the next decision which has to be made actually pretty soon is how are we gonna do it ? So.

And so you make Jane do the first one so then she can decide , oh , we don't need all this stuff , just the words are fine.


Ten times about , is  and so one of the things was to get an estimate of how long it would take , and then also what tools we would use. And so the next decision which has to be made actually pretty soon is how are we gonna do it ? So.

And so you make Jane do the first one so then she can decide , oh , we don't need all this stuff , just the words are fine.


And so you make Jane do the first one so then she can decide , oh , we don't need all this stuff , just the words are fine.

I wanna hear about these  uh , we have a g you were s continuing with the transcription conventions for s


I wanna hear about these  uh , we have a g you were s continuing with the transcription conventions for s

R right , so  so one  one option is to get linguistics grad students and undergrads to do it. And apparently that 's happened in the past. And I think that 's probably the right way to do it. Um , it will require a post pass , I mean people will have to look at it more than once to make sure that it 's been done correctly , but I just can't imagine that we 're gonna get anything that much better from a commercial one. And the commercial ones I 'm sure will be much more expensive.


R right , so  so one  one option is to get linguistics grad students and undergrads to do it. And apparently that 's happened in the past. And I think that 's probably the right way to do it. Um , it will require a post pass , I mean people will have to look at it more than once to make sure that it 's been done correctly , but I just can't imagine that we 're gonna get anything that much better from a commercial one. And the commercial ones I 'm sure will be much more expensive.


We will just get Joy and Jane to do everything.


We will just get Joy and Jane to do everything.

Is tha wasn't that what she was doing before ? Yeah , that 's right.


We will just get Joy and Jane to do everything.

Is tha wasn't that what she was doing before ? Yeah , that 's right.

But , you know , that 's what we 're talking about is getting some slaves who  who need money


Is tha wasn't that what she was doing before ? Yeah , that 's right.

But , you know , that 's what we 're talking about is getting some slaves who  who need money


But , you know , that 's what we 're talking about is getting some slaves who  who need money


I meant Joy. And so again , I have to say " are we recording "


I meant Joy. And so again , I have to say " are we recording "

and then say , uh , Morgan has  has consistently resisted telling me how much money we have.


and then say , uh , Morgan has  has consistently resisted telling me how much money we have.


Well , if it 's zero then we can't do any transcription.


I mean , I  I can't imagine us doing it ourselves. Right ?


I mean , I  I can't imagine us doing it ourselves. Right ?

Well , we already  we already   We already have a plan in place for the first meeting.


Well , we already  we already   We already have a plan in place for the first meeting.

Well th there is als Yeah , really. There is also the o other possibility which is if you can provide not money but instructional experience or some other perks ,  you can  you could get people to  to um , to do it in exchange.


Well th there is als Yeah , really. There is also the o other possibility which is if you can provide not money but instructional experience or some other perks ,  you can  you could get people to  to um , to do it in exchange.


Well th there is als Yeah , really. There is also the o other possibility which is if you can provide not money but instructional experience or some other perks ,  you can  you could get people to  to um , to do it in exchange.

Well , i b but seriously , I  I mean , Morgan 's obviously in a bind over this and thing to do is just the field of dreams theory , which is we we go ahead as though there will be money at the time that we need the money.


Well , i b but seriously , I  I mean , Morgan 's obviously in a bind over this and thing to do is just the field of dreams theory , which is we we go ahead as though there will be money at the time that we need the money.


Well , i b but seriously , I  I mean , Morgan 's obviously in a bind over this and thing to do is just the field of dreams theory , which is we we go ahead as though there will be money at the time that we need the money.

And that 's  that 's the best we can do.


And that 's  that 's the best we can do.


And that 's  that 's the best we can do.

i b To not do anything until we get money is  is ridiculous.


i b To not do anything until we get money is  is ridiculous.


i b To not do anything until we get money is  is ridiculous.

We 're not gonna do any  get anything done if we do that.


We 're not gonna do any  get anything done if we do that.


We 're not gonna do any  get anything done if we do that.

So at any rate , Jane was looking into the possibility of getting students , at  is that right ? Talking to people about that ?


So at any rate , Jane was looking into the possibility of getting students , at  is that right ? Talking to people about that ?

I 'm afraid I haven't made any progress in that front yet.


So at any rate , Jane was looking into the possibility of getting students , at  is that right ? Talking to people about that ?

I 'm afraid I haven't made any progress in that front yet.

I should 've sent email and I haven't yet.


I 'm afraid I haven't made any progress in that front yet.

I should 've sent email and I haven't yet.


I should 've sent email and I haven't yet.

I d do  So until you actually  have a little experience with what this  this French thing does we don't even have


I d do  So until you actually  have a little experience with what this  this French thing does we don't even have


I 'm sorry. So that 's where you came up with the f the ten X number ?


I 'm sorry. So that 's where you came up with the f the ten X number ?

Actually that 's the  the one people usually use , ten X.


Actually that 's the  the one people usually use , ten X.


Actually that 's the  the one people usually use , ten X.

And I haven't really calculated  How fast am I ?


And I haven't really calculated  How fast am I ?

I haven't done a s see , I 've been at the same time doing kind of a boot strapping in deciding on the transcription conventions that  that are   you know , and  and stuff like , you know , how much


I haven't done a s see , I 've been at the same time doing kind of a boot strapping in deciding on the transcription conventions that  that are   you know , and  and stuff like , you know , how much


I haven't done a s see , I 've been at the same time doing kind of a boot strapping in deciding on the transcription conventions that  that are   you know , and  and stuff like , you know , how much

There 's some interesting human factors problems like ,  yeah , what span of  of time is it useful to segment the thing into in order to uh , transcribe it the most quickly.


There 's some interesting human factors problems like ,  yeah , what span of  of time is it useful to segment the thing into in order to uh , transcribe it the most quickly.


There 's some interesting human factors problems like ,  yeah , what span of  of time is it useful to segment the thing into in order to uh , transcribe it the most quickly.

Cuz then , you know , you get like   if you get a span of five words , that 's easy.


Cuz then , you know , you get like   if you get a span of five words , that 's easy.

But then you have to take the time to mark it. And then there 's the issue of  it 's easier to   hear it th right the first time if you 've marked it at a boundary instead of  somewhere in the middle ,


But then you have to take the time to mark it. And then there 's the issue of  it 's easier to   hear it th right the first time if you 've marked it at a boundary instead of  somewhere in the middle ,

cuz then the word 's bisected or whatever and  And so I mean , I 've been sort of playing with , uh , different ways of mar cuz I 'm thinking , you know , I mean , if you could get optimal instructions you could cut back on the number of hours it would take.


cuz then the word 's bisected or whatever and  And so I mean , I 've been sort of playing with , uh , different ways of mar cuz I 'm thinking , you know , I mean , if you could get optimal instructions you could cut back on the number of hours it would take.

D does uh  this tool you 're using is strictly  it doesn't do any speech recognition does it ?


D does uh  this tool you 're using is strictly  it doesn't do any speech recognition does it ?

No , it doesn't but what a super tool. It 's a great environment.


D does uh  this tool you 're using is strictly  it doesn't do any speech recognition does it ?

No , it doesn't but what a super tool. It 's a great environment.

But  but is there anyway to  to wire a speech recognizer up to it and actually run it through


No , it doesn't but what a super tool. It 's a great environment.

But  but is there anyway to  to wire a speech recognizer up to it and actually run it through


But  but is there anyway to  to wire a speech recognizer up to it and actually run it through


but the recognition quality is gonna be horrendous.


but the recognition quality is gonna be horrendous.

First of all the time marking you 'd get  you could get by a tool.


First of all the time marking you 'd get  you could get by a tool.


uh , I 'm think about the close caption that you see running by on  on live news casts.


No , I understand. And  in a lot of them you see typos and things like that ,


No , I understand. And  in a lot of them you see typos and things like that ,

but it  but it occurs to me that  it may be a lot easier to correct things than it is to do things from scratch , no matter how wonderful the tool is.


but it  but it occurs to me that  it may be a lot easier to correct things than it is to do things from scratch , no matter how wonderful the tool is.

But if  if there was a way to merge the two


but it  but it occurs to me that  it may be a lot easier to correct things than it is to do things from scratch , no matter how wonderful the tool is.

But if  if there was a way to merge the two

Well , I mean , but sometimes it 's easier to type out something instead of going through and figuring out which is the right


But if  if there was a way to merge the two

Well , I mean , but sometimes it 's easier to type out something instead of going through and figuring out which is the right


Well , I mean , but sometimes it 's easier to type out something instead of going through and figuring out which is the right


I mean , it depends on the error rate , right ?


I mean , it depends on the error rate , right ?

Well s but  but again the timing is for fr should be for free. The timing should be


I mean , it depends on the error rate , right ?

Well s but  but again the timing is for fr should be for free. The timing should be

But we don't care about the timing of the words.


I mean , it depends on the error rate , right ?

Well s but  but again the timing is for fr should be for free. The timing should be

But we don't care about the timing of the words.

Well I thought you just  that 's  said that was a critical issue.


Well s but  but again the timing is for fr should be for free. The timing should be

But we don't care about the timing of the words.

Well I thought you just  that 's  said that was a critical issue.

We don't care about the timing of the words , just of the utterances.


But we don't care about the timing of the words.

Well I thought you just  that 's  said that was a critical issue.

We don't care about the timing of the words , just of the utterances.


Well I thought you just  that 's  said that was a critical issue.

We don't care about the timing of the words , just of the utterances.


We don't care about the timing of the words , just of the utterances.


We haven't decided which  which time we care about , and that 's kind of one of the things that you 're saying , is like   you have the option to put in more or less timing data  and , uh , be in the absence of more specific instructions ,  we 're trying to figure out what the most convenient thing to do is.


We haven't decided which  which time we care about , and that 's kind of one of the things that you 're saying , is like   you have the option to put in more or less timing data  and , uh , be in the absence of more specific instructions ,  we 're trying to figure out what the most convenient thing to do is.

Yeah , so  so what  what she 's done so far , is sort of  more or less breath g not breath groups ,  sort of phrases , continuous phrases.


We haven't decided which  which time we care about , and that 's kind of one of the things that you 're saying , is like   you have the option to put in more or less timing data  and , uh , be in the absence of more specific instructions ,  we 're trying to figure out what the most convenient thing to do is.

Yeah , so  so what  what she 's done so far , is sort of  more or less breath g not breath groups ,  sort of phrases , continuous phrases.

And so , um , that 's nice because you  you separate when you do an extract , you get a little silence on either end. So that seems to work really well.


Yeah , so  so what  what she 's done so far , is sort of  more or less breath g not breath groups ,  sort of phrases , continuous phrases.

And so , um , that 's nice because you  you separate when you do an extract , you get a little silence on either end. So that seems to work really well.


And so , um , that 's nice because you  you separate when you do an extract , you get a little silence on either end. So that seems to work really well.


Although I was  I  you know , the alternative , which I was sort of experimenting with before I ran out of time ,  recently was ,  um   that , you know , ev if it were like an arbitrary segment of time  i t pre - marked cuz it does take time to put those markings in.


Although I was  I  you know , the alternative , which I was sort of experimenting with before I ran out of time ,  recently was ,  um   that , you know , ev if it were like an arbitrary segment of time  i t pre - marked cuz it does take time to put those markings in.

It 's really the i the interface is wonderful because , you know , the time it takes is you listen to it ,  and then you press the return key. But then , you know , it 's like ,  uh , you press the tab key to stop the flow and   and , uh , the return key to p to put in a marking of the boundary. But , you know , obviously there 's a lag between when you hear it and when you can press the return key


It 's really the i the interface is wonderful because , you know , the time it takes is you listen to it ,  and then you press the return key. But then , you know , it 's like ,  uh , you press the tab key to stop the flow and   and , uh , the return key to p to put in a marking of the boundary. But , you know , obviously there 's a lag between when you hear it and when you can press the return key

so it 's slightly delayed , so then you  you listen to it a second time and move it over to here.


so it 's slightly delayed , so then you  you listen to it a second time and move it over to here.


so it 's slightly delayed , so then you  you listen to it a second time and move it over to here.

Now if it could all be pre - marked at some ,  l you know , good


Now if it could all be pre - marked at some ,  l you know , good


Now if it could all be pre - marked at some ,  l you know , good

Are  are those d delays adjustable ? Those delays adjustable ? See a lot of people who actually build stuff with human computer interfaces  understand that delay ,


Are  are those d delays adjustable ? Those delays adjustable ? See a lot of people who actually build stuff with human computer interfaces  understand that delay ,


Are  are those d delays adjustable ? Those delays adjustable ? See a lot of people who actually build stuff with human computer interfaces  understand that delay ,

and  and so when you  by the time you click it it 'll be right on because it 'll go back in time to put the


and  and so when you  by the time you click it it 'll be right on because it 'll go back in time to put the


couldn't we Dan ? Yeah , mis Mister TCL ?


But , if we tried to do automatic speaker ID.


But , if we tried to do automatic speaker ID.

I mean , cuz primarily the markings are at speaker change.


I mean , cuz primarily the markings are at speaker change.


I mean , cuz primarily the markings are at speaker change.

But we 've got  we 've got the most channel data. We 'd have to do it from your signal. Right. I mean , we 've  we 've got  we 've got a lot of data.


But we 've got  we 've got the most channel data. We 'd have to do it from your signal. Right. I mean , we 've  we 've got  we 've got a lot of data.


But we 've got  we 've got the most channel data. We 'd have to do it from your signal. Right. I mean , we 've  we 've got  we 've got a lot of data.

Yeah , I guess the question is how much time will it really save us versus the time to write all the tools to do it.


Yeah , I guess the question is how much time will it really save us versus the time to write all the tools to do it.

Right. but the chances are if we if we 're talking about collecting  ten or a hundred hours , which is going to take a hundred or a thousand hours to transcribe


Right. but the chances are if we if we 're talking about collecting  ten or a hundred hours , which is going to take a hundred or a thousand hours to transcribe


Right. but the chances are if we if we 're talking about collecting  ten or a hundred hours , which is going to take a hundred or a thousand hours to transcribe

if we can go from ten X to five X we 're doing a big


if we can go from ten X to five X we 're doing a big

We 're gonna need  we 're gonna need ten to a hundred hours to train the tools , and validate the tools the do the d to  to do all this anyway.


We 're gonna need  we 're gonna need ten to a hundred hours to train the tools , and validate the tools the do the d to  to do all this anyway.


I knew you were gonna do that. Just saw it coming.


I knew you were gonna do that. Just saw it coming.

I 'm sorry. I wish you had told me  wish you 'd told me.


I 'm sorry. I wish you had told me  wish you 'd told me.

Um , i it seems like  Well , uh , I don't know. Yeah. I mean , it  it 's  it 's maybe like   a week 's work to get to do something like this. So forty or fifty hours.


Um , i it seems like  Well , uh , I don't know. Yeah. I mean , it  it 's  it 's maybe like   a week 's work to get to do something like this. So forty or fifty hours.


Um , i it seems like  Well , uh , I don't know. Yeah. I mean , it  it 's  it 's maybe like   a week 's work to get to do something like this. So forty or fifty hours.

Could you get it so that with  so it would  it would detect volume on a channel and insert a marker ? And the  the format 's really transparent.


Could you get it so that with  so it would  it would detect volume on a channel and insert a marker ? And the  the format 's really transparent.


Could you get it so that with  so it would  it would detect volume on a channel and insert a marker ? And the  the format 's really transparent.

It 's just a matter of  a very c clear  it 's XML , isn't it ?


It 's just a matter of  a very c clear  it 's XML , isn't it ?


It 's just a matter of  a very c clear  it 's XML , isn't it ?

It 's very  I mean , I looked at the  the file format and it 's just  it has a t a time   a time indication and then something or other , and then an end time or something or other.


It 's just a matter of  a very c clear  it 's XML , isn't it ?

It 's very  I mean , I looked at the  the file format and it 's just  it has a t a time   a time indication and then something or other , and then an end time or something or other.

So maybe  maybe we could try the following experiment. Take the data that you 've already transcribed


It 's very  I mean , I looked at the  the file format and it 's just  it has a t a time   a time indication and then something or other , and then an end time or something or other.

So maybe  maybe we could try the following experiment. Take the data that you 've already transcribed


So maybe  maybe we could try the following experiment. Take the data that you 've already transcribed

Is this already in the past or already in the future ?


Is this already in the past or already in the future ?


Is this already in the past or already in the future ?

You 've already  you 've already done some ?


Is this already in the past or already in the future ?

You 've already  you 've already done some ?

She 's  she 's done about half a meeting.


You 've already  you 've already done some ?

She 's  she 's done about half a meeting.


She 's  she 's done about half a meeting.


S I 'm not sure if it 's that 's much but anyway , enough to work with.


S I 'm not sure if it 's that 's much but anyway , enough to work with.

Um , and  and throw out the words , but keep the time markings. And then go through  I mean , and go through and  and try and re - transcribe it , given that we had perfect boundary detection.


Um , and  and throw out the words , but keep the time markings. And then go through  I mean , and go through and  and try and re - transcribe it , given that we had perfect boundary detection.


Um , and  and throw out the words , but keep the time markings. And then go through  I mean , and go through and  and try and re - transcribe it , given that we had perfect boundary detection.

And see if it  see if it  see if it feels easier to you.


And see if it  see if it  see if it feels easier to you.

And forgetting all the words because you 've been thr


And see if it  see if it  see if it feels easier to you.

And forgetting all the words because you 've been thr

Yeah , that 's what I was thinking. I 'd  I 'd be cheating a little bit g with familiarity effect.


And forgetting all the words because you 've been thr

Yeah , that 's what I was thinking. I 'd  I 'd be cheating a little bit g with familiarity effect.

Yeah , I mean uh , that 's part of the problem is , is that what we really need is somebody else to come along.


And forgetting all the words because you 've been thr

Yeah , that 's what I was thinking. I 'd  I 'd be cheating a little bit g with familiarity effect.

Yeah , I mean uh , that 's part of the problem is , is that what we really need is somebody else to come along.

Well , no , you should do it  you should do it   Do it again from scratch and then do it again at the boundaries. So you do the whole thing three times and then we get


Yeah , that 's what I was thinking. I 'd  I 'd be cheating a little bit g with familiarity effect.

Yeah , I mean uh , that 's part of the problem is , is that what we really need is somebody else to come along.

Well , no , you should do it  you should do it   Do it again from scratch and then do it again at the boundaries. So you do the whole thing three times and then we get


Yeah , I mean uh , that 's part of the problem is , is that what we really need is somebody else to come along.

Well , no , you should do it  you should do it   Do it again from scratch and then do it again at the boundaries. So you do the whole thing three times and then we get


Well , no , you should do it  you should do it   Do it again from scratch and then do it again at the boundaries. So you do the whole thing three times and then we get

And then  then w since we need some statistics do it three more.


And then  then w since we need some statistics do it three more.


And then  then w since we need some statistics do it three more.

And so you 'll get  you 'll get down to one point two X by the time you get done.


And then  then w since we need some statistics do it three more.

And so you 'll get  you 'll get down to one point two X by the time you get done.

Oh , yeah. I 'll do that tomorrow. I should have it finished by the end of the day.


And so you 'll get  you 'll get down to one point two X by the time you get done.

Oh , yeah. I 'll do that tomorrow. I should have it finished by the end of the day.

No , but the thing is the fact that she 's  she 's did it before just might give a lower bound. That 's all.


Oh , yeah. I 'll do that tomorrow. I should have it finished by the end of the day.

No , but the thing is the fact that she 's  she 's did it before just might give a lower bound. That 's all.


No , but the thing is the fact that she 's  she 's did it before just might give a lower bound. That 's all.


It 's  And if the lower bound is nine X then w it 's a waste of time.


It 's  And if the lower bound is nine X then w it 's a waste of time.

Well , uh but there 's an extra problem which is that I didn't really keep accurate


Well , uh but there 's an extra problem which is that I didn't really keep accurate


Well , uh but there 's an extra problem which is that I didn't really keep accurate

uh , it wasn't a pure task the first time ,


uh , it wasn't a pure task the first time ,

so   uh , it 's gonna be an upper bound in  in that case. And it 's not really strictly comparable. So I think though it 's a good proposal to be used on a new  a new batch of text that I haven't yet done yet in the same meeting. Could use it on the next segment of the text.


uh , it wasn't a pure task the first time ,

so   uh , it 's gonna be an upper bound in  in that case. And it 's not really strictly comparable. So I think though it 's a good proposal to be used on a new  a new batch of text that I haven't yet done yet in the same meeting. Could use it on the next segment of the text.

The point we  where do we get the  the  the oracle boundaries from ?


so   uh , it 's gonna be an upper bound in  in that case. And it 's not really strictly comparable. So I think though it 's a good proposal to be used on a new  a new batch of text that I haven't yet done yet in the same meeting. Could use it on the next segment of the text.

The point we  where do we get the  the  the oracle boundaries from ?


The point we  where do we get the  the  the oracle boundaries from ?

Yeah , one person would have to assign the boundaries and the  and the other person would have to


Yeah , one person would have to assign the boundaries and the  and the other person would have to

Well , but couldn't I do it for the next


Well , but couldn't I do it for the next


Well , but the oracle boundaries would come from volume on a partic specific channel wouldn't they ?


Well , but the oracle boundaries would come from volume on a partic specific channel wouldn't they ?

No , no , no , no. You wanna know  given  Given a perfect human segmentation , I mean , you wanna know how well


No , no , no , no. You wanna know  given  Given a perfect human segmentation , I mean , you wanna know how well


No , no , no , no. You wanna know  given  Given a perfect human segmentation , I mean , you wanna know how well

I mean , the  the question is , is it worth giving you the segmentation ?


I mean , the  the question is , is it worth giving you the segmentation ?


I could generate the segmentation and  and you could do the words , and time yourself on it. So.


I could generate the segmentation and  and you could do the words , and time yourself on it. So.

A little double - blind - ear kind of thing.


A little double - blind - ear kind of thing.


That would at least tell us whether it 's worth spending a week or two trying to get a tool , that will compute the segmentations.


That would at least tell us whether it 's worth spending a week or two trying to get a tool , that will compute the segmentations.

And the thing to keep in mind too about this tool , guys is that  sure , you can do the computation for what we 're gonna do in the future but if  if UW 's talking about doing two , or three , or five times as much stuff and they can use the same tool , then obviously there 's a real multiplier there.


And the thing to keep in mind too about this tool , guys is that  sure , you can do the computation for what we 're gonna do in the future but if  if UW 's talking about doing two , or three , or five times as much stuff and they can use the same tool , then obviously there 's a real multiplier there.

And the other thing too is with  with speaker identification , if  if that could handle speaker identification that 's a big deal.


And the other thing too is with  with speaker identification , if  if that could handle speaker identification that 's a big deal.


And the other thing too is with  with speaker identification , if  if that could handle speaker identification that 's a big deal.

Well , use it. Yeah , that 's why we s bought the expensive microphones.


Well , use it. Yeah , that 's why we s bought the expensive microphones.

OK. Yeah , I mean , that 's a nice feature.


OK. Yeah , I mean , that 's a nice feature.

That 's a major  that 's like , one of the two things that


That 's a major  that 's like , one of the two things that

I mean , there 's gonna  there 's gonna be  in the meeting , like the reading group meeting that we had the other day , that 's  it 's gonna be a bit of a problem


That 's a major  that 's like , one of the two things that

I mean , there 's gonna  there 's gonna be  in the meeting , like the reading group meeting that we had the other day , that 's  it 's gonna be a bit of a problem

because , like , I wasn't wearing a microphone


I mean , there 's gonna  there 's gonna be  in the meeting , like the reading group meeting that we had the other day , that 's  it 's gonna be a bit of a problem

because , like , I wasn't wearing a microphone


because , like , I wasn't wearing a microphone

f and there were other people that weren't wearing microphones.


f and there were other people that weren't wearing microphones.

But you didn't say anything worth while anyway , right ?


But you didn't say anything worth while anyway , right ?


it might save ninety percent of the work though.


it might save ninety percent of the work though.

So I  I need to  we need to look at what  what the final output is but it seems like  we  it doesn't  it seems like it 's not really not that hard to have an automatic tool to generate  the phrase marks , and the speaker , and speaker identity without putting in the words.


So I  I need to  we need to look at what  what the final output is but it seems like  we  it doesn't  it seems like it 's not really not that hard to have an automatic tool to generate  the phrase marks , and the speaker , and speaker identity without putting in the words.

Yeah. I 've already become pretty familiar with the format ,


Yeah. I 've already become pretty familiar with the format ,


We didn't finish the  the part of work already completed on this , did we ? I mean , you   you talked a little bit about the transcription conventions ,


We didn't finish the  the part of work already completed on this , did we ? I mean , you   you talked a little bit about the transcription conventions ,

and , I guess you 've mentioned in your progress report , or status report , that you had written a script to convert it into  So ,  I  when I  i the  it 's quickest for me in terms of  the transcription part  to say  something like , you know , if   if Adam spoke to , um  to just say , " A colon " , Like who could be , you know , I mean at the beginning of the line.


and , I guess you 've mentioned in your progress report , or status report , that you had written a script to convert it into  So ,  I  when I  i the  it 's quickest for me in terms of  the transcription part  to say  something like , you know , if   if Adam spoke to , um  to just say , " A colon " , Like who could be , you know , I mean at the beginning of the line.

and E colon  instead of entering the interface for speaker identification and clicking on the thing , uh , indicating the speaker ID. So , and then he has a script that will convert it into the  the thing that , uh , would indicate speaker ID.


and E colon  instead of entering the interface for speaker identification and clicking on the thing , uh , indicating the speaker ID. So , and then he has a script that will convert it into the  the thing that , uh , would indicate speaker ID.


Right. So  so I think the guess at ten X seems to be pretty standard. Everyone  more or less everyone you talk to says about ten times for hard technical transcription.


Using  using stone age tools. I mean , I looked at Cyber Transcriber


Using  using stone age tools. I mean , I looked at Cyber Transcriber

which is a service that you send an audio file , they do a first - pass speech recognition. And then they  they do a clean up. But it 's gonna be horrible. They 're never gonna be able to do a meeting like this.


which is a service that you send an audio file , they do a first - pass speech recognition. And then they  they do a clean up. But it 's gonna be horrible. They 're never gonna be able to do a meeting like this.


which is a service that you send an audio file , they do a first - pass speech recognition. And then they  they do a clean up. But it 's gonna be horrible. They 're never gonna be able to do a meeting like this.

What  i just approximately , what did you find out in terms of price or  or whatever ?


What  i just approximately , what did you find out in terms of price or  or whatever ?

Well , for Cyber Transcriber they don't quote a price. They want you to call and  and talk. So for other services , um , they were about thirty dollars an hour.


Well , for Cyber Transcriber they don't quote a price. They want you to call and  and talk. So for other services , um , they were about thirty dollars an hour.


For thirty dollars an hour for  of their work.


For thirty dollars an hour for  of their work.

So  so if it 's ten times it 's three hundred dollars an hour.


So  so if it 's ten times it 's three hundred dollars an hour.


D did you talk to anybody that does closed captioning for  for uh , TV ?


D did you talk to anybody that does closed captioning for  for uh , TV ?

Cuz they a usually at the end of the show they 'll tell what the name of the company is , the captioning company that 's doing it.


Cuz they a usually at the end of the show they 'll tell what the name of the company is , the captioning company that 's doing it.

Mm - hmm. Yeah , so  so my  my search was pretty cursory.


Cuz they a usually at the end of the show they 'll tell what the name of the company is , the captioning company that 's doing it.

Mm - hmm. Yeah , so  so my  my search was pretty cursory.

It was just a net search. And , uh , so it was only people who have web pages and are doing stuff through that.


Mm - hmm. Yeah , so  so my  my search was pretty cursory.

It was just a net search. And , uh , so it was only people who have web pages and are doing stuff through that.

Well , you know , the  the thing  the thing about this is thinking kind of , maybe a little more globally than I should here but   that really this could be a big contribution we could make. Uh , I mean , we 've been through the STP thing , we know what it  what it 's like to  to manage the  manage the process , and admittedly they might have been looking for more detail than what we 're looking for here but  it was a  it was a big hassle , right ?


It was just a net search. And , uh , so it was only people who have web pages and are doing stuff through that.

Well , you know , the  the thing  the thing about this is thinking kind of , maybe a little more globally than I should here but   that really this could be a big contribution we could make. Uh , I mean , we 've been through the STP thing , we know what it  what it 's like to  to manage the  manage the process , and admittedly they might have been looking for more detail than what we 're looking for here but  it was a  it was a big hassle , right ?


It was just a net search. And , uh , so it was only people who have web pages and are doing stuff through that.

Well , you know , the  the thing  the thing about this is thinking kind of , maybe a little more globally than I should here but   that really this could be a big contribution we could make. Uh , I mean , we 've been through the STP thing , we know what it  what it 's like to  to manage the  manage the process , and admittedly they might have been looking for more detail than what we 're looking for here but  it was a  it was a big hassle , right ?

I mean , uh , you know , they  they constantly could 've reminding people and going over it. And clearly some new stuff needs to be done here. And it 's  it 's only  our time , where " our " of course includes Dan ,  Dan and you guys. It doesn't include me at all. Uh. j Just seems like


Well , you know , the  the thing  the thing about this is thinking kind of , maybe a little more globally than I should here but   that really this could be a big contribution we could make. Uh , I mean , we 've been through the STP thing , we know what it  what it 's like to  to manage the  manage the process , and admittedly they might have been looking for more detail than what we 're looking for here but  it was a  it was a big hassle , right ?

I mean , uh , you know , they  they constantly could 've reminding people and going over it. And clearly some new stuff needs to be done here. And it 's  it 's only  our time , where " our " of course includes Dan ,  Dan and you guys. It doesn't include me at all. Uh. j Just seems like

Yeah , I mean I don't know if we 'd be able to do any thing f to help STP type problems. But certainly for this problem we can do a lot better than


I mean , uh , you know , they  they constantly could 've reminding people and going over it. And clearly some new stuff needs to be done here. And it 's  it 's only  our time , where " our " of course includes Dan ,  Dan and you guys. It doesn't include me at all. Uh. j Just seems like

Yeah , I mean I don't know if we 'd be able to do any thing f to help STP type problems. But certainly for this problem we can do a lot better than

Bec Why ? Because they wanted a lot more detail ?


Yeah , I mean I don't know if we 'd be able to do any thing f to help STP type problems. But certainly for this problem we can do a lot better than

Bec Why ? Because they wanted a lot more detail ?

No. Because they had  because they only had two speakers , right ? I mean , the  the segmentation problem is


Bec Why ? Because they wanted a lot more detail ?

No. Because they had  because they only had two speakers , right ? I mean , the  the segmentation problem is


No. Because they had  because they only had two speakers , right ? I mean , the  the segmentation problem is


No. Because they had  because they only had two speakers , right ? I mean , the  the segmentation problem is

They had two speakers over the telephone.


They had two speakers over the telephone.


They had two speakers over the telephone.

Um , mostly because they were doing much lower level time.


Um , mostly because they were doing much lower level time.

So they were doing phone and syllable transcription , as well as , uh , word transcription.


So they were doing phone and syllable transcription , as well as , uh , word transcription.


And so we 're  w we decided early on that we were not gonna do that.


And so we 're  w we decided early on that we were not gonna do that.

I see. But there 's still the same issue of managing the process , of   of reviewing and keeping the files straight , and all this stuff , that  which is clearly a hassle.


I see. But there 's still the same issue of managing the process , of   of reviewing and keeping the files straight , and all this stuff , that  which is clearly a hassle.

Right. And so  so what I 'm saying is that if we hire an external service I think we can expect three hundred dollars an hour.


Right. And so  so what I 'm saying is that if we hire an external service I think we can expect three hundred dollars an hour.


Right. And so  so what I 'm saying is that if we hire an external service I think we can expect three hundred dollars an hour.

I think that 's the ball park. There were several different companies that   and the  the range was very tight for technical documents. Twenty - eight to thirty - two dollars an hour.


Right. And so  so what I 'm saying is that if we hire an external service I think we can expect three hundred dollars an hour.

I think that 's the ball park. There were several different companies that   and the  the range was very tight for technical documents. Twenty - eight to thirty - two dollars an hour.

And who who knows if they 're gonna be able to m manage multal multiple channel data ?


I think that 's the ball park. There were several different companies that   and the  the range was very tight for technical documents. Twenty - eight to thirty - two dollars an hour.

And who who knows if they 're gonna be able to m manage multal multiple channel data ?


And who who knows if they 're gonna be able to m manage multal multiple channel data ?


No , but I mean , they  they  they won't  they won't  they will refuse to transcribe this kind of material.


No , but I mean , they  they  they won't  they won't  they will refuse to transcribe this kind of material.

That 's not what they 're d quoting for , right ?


That 's not what they 're d quoting for , right ?


Sev - several of them say that they 'll do meetings , and conferences , and s and so on. None of them specifically said that they would do speaker ID , or speaker change mark.


Sev - several of them say that they 'll do meetings , and conferences , and s and so on. None of them specifically said that they would do speaker ID , or speaker change mark.

Th - th the th there may be just multiplier for five people costs twice as much and for ten people co  Something like that.


Th - th the th there may be just multiplier for five people costs twice as much and for ten people co  Something like that.


Th - th the th there may be just multiplier for five people costs twice as much and for ten people co  Something like that.

Well , the  the way it worked is it  it was scaled. So what they had is ,  if it 's an easy task it costs twenty - four dollars an hour and it will take maybe five or six times real time. And what they said is for the hardest tasks , bad acoustics , meeting settings , it 's thirty - two dollars an hour and it takes about ten times real time. So I think that we can count on that being about what they would do.


Well , the  the way it worked is it  it was scaled. So what they had is ,  if it 's an easy task it costs twenty - four dollars an hour and it will take maybe five or six times real time. And what they said is for the hardest tasks , bad acoustics , meeting settings , it 's thirty - two dollars an hour and it takes about ten times real time. So I think that we can count on that being about what they would do.


because we 're gonna want them to do speaker marking.


because we 're gonna want them to do speaker marking.

A lot of companies I 've worked for y the , uh  the person leading the meeting , the executive or whatever , would sort of go around the room and  and mentally calculate h how many dollars per hour this meeting was costing ,


because we 're gonna want them to do speaker marking.

A lot of companies I 've worked for y the , uh  the person leading the meeting , the executive or whatever , would sort of go around the room and  and mentally calculate h how many dollars per hour this meeting was costing ,

right ? In university  atmosphere you get a little different thing. But you know , it 's a lot like , " he 's worth fifty an hour , he 's worth  " And so he so here we 're thinking , " well let 's see , if the meeting goes another hour it 's going to be another thousand dollars. " You know ? It 's


A lot of companies I 've worked for y the , uh  the person leading the meeting , the executive or whatever , would sort of go around the room and  and mentally calculate h how many dollars per hour this meeting was costing ,

right ? In university  atmosphere you get a little different thing. But you know , it 's a lot like , " he 's worth fifty an hour , he 's worth  " And so he so here we 're thinking , " well let 's see , if the meeting goes another hour it 's going to be another thousand dollars. " You know ? It 's


right ? In university  atmosphere you get a little different thing. But you know , it 's a lot like , " he 's worth fifty an hour , he 's worth  " And so he so here we 're thinking , " well let 's see , if the meeting goes another hour it 's going to be another thousand dollars. " You know ? It 's

So ch  So every everybody ta Talk really fast.


So ch  So every everybody ta Talk really fast.


We could have some telegraphic meetings. That might be interesting.


We could have some telegraphic meetings. That might be interesting.

So. But at any rate , so we  we have a ballpark on how much it would cost if we send it out.


So. But at any rate , so we  we have a ballpark on how much it would cost if we send it out.

And we 're talking about do doing how many hours worth of meetings ?


And we 're talking about do doing how many hours worth of meetings ?


Right , I w got an extra factor of three there.


Right , I w got an extra factor of three there.

So it 's thirty dollars an hour , essentially , right ?


Right , I w got an extra factor of three there.

So it 's thirty dollars an hour , essentially , right ?

But we can pay a graduate student seven dollars an hour. And the question is what 's the difference


So it 's thirty dollars an hour , essentially , right ?

But we can pay a graduate student seven dollars an hour. And the question is what 's the difference


But we can pay a graduate student seven dollars an hour. And the question is what 's the difference

or ei eight dollars. What  do you know what the going rate is ? It 's  it 's  on the order of eight to ten.


But we can pay a graduate student seven dollars an hour. And the question is what 's the difference

or ei eight dollars. What  do you know what the going rate is ? It 's  it 's  on the order of eight to ten.

I think uh that would give us a  a good  good estimate.


or ei eight dollars. What  do you know what the going rate is ? It 's  it 's  on the order of eight to ten.

I think uh that would give us a  a good  good estimate.


I think uh that would give us a  a good  good estimate.


yeah , I was gonna say eight  you 'd say ten ?


The - these are not for engineering graduate students , right ?


The - these are not for engineering graduate students , right ?

Right , these are linguistics grad students. Six.


The - these are not for engineering graduate students , right ?

Right , these are linguistics grad students. Six.

Yeah , I  I  I don't  I don't know what the  I don't know what the standard


Right , these are linguistics grad students. Six.

Yeah , I  I  I don't  I don't know what the  I don't know what the standard


Yeah , I  I  I don't  I don't know what the  I don't know what the standard


Um , so that means that even if it takes them thirty times real time it 's cheaper to  to do graduate students.


Um , so that means that even if it takes them thirty times real time it 's cheaper to  to do graduate students.

I mean , that 's why I said originally , that I couldn't imagine sending it out 's gonna be cheaper.


I mean , that 's why I said originally , that I couldn't imagine sending it out 's gonna be cheaper.

The other thing too is that , uh , if they were linguistics they 'd be  you know , in terms of like the post editing , i uh  tu uh content wise they might be easier to handle cuz they might get it more right the first time.


I mean , that 's why I said originally , that I couldn't imagine sending it out 's gonna be cheaper.

The other thing too is that , uh , if they were linguistics they 'd be  you know , in terms of like the post editing , i uh  tu uh content wise they might be easier to handle cuz they might get it more right the first time.

And also we would have control of  I mean , we could give them feedback. Whereas if we do a service it 's gonna be limited amount.


The other thing too is that , uh , if they were linguistics they 'd be  you know , in terms of like the post editing , i uh  tu uh content wise they might be easier to handle cuz they might get it more right the first time.

And also we would have control of  I mean , we could give them feedback. Whereas if we do a service it 's gonna be limited amount.


And also we would have control of  I mean , we could give them feedback. Whereas if we do a service it 's gonna be limited amount.

I mean , we can't tell them , you know , " for this meeting we really wanna mark stress


I mean , we can't tell them , you know , " for this meeting we really wanna mark stress


And  and they 're not gonna provide  they 're not gonna provide stress , they 're not gonna re provide repairs , they 're not gonna  provide  they  they may or may not provide speaker ID. So that we would have to do our own tools to do that. So


Just hypoth hypothetically assuming that  that we go ahead and ended up using graduate students. I who  who 's the person in charge ? Who 's gonna be the Steve here ?


Oh , interesting. Um , now would this involve some manner of uh , monetary compensation or would I be the voluntary , uh , coordinator of multiple transcribers for checking ?


Oh , interesting. Um , now would this involve some manner of uh , monetary compensation or would I be the voluntary , uh , coordinator of multiple transcribers for checking ?

Um , I would imagine there would be some monetary involved but we 'd have to talk to Morgan about it.


Um , I would imagine there would be some monetary involved but we 'd have to talk to Morgan about it.


You know , it just means you have to stop working for Dave. See ?


Well , I would like you to do it because you have a lot more experience than I do ,


Well , I would like you to do it because you have a lot more experience than I do ,

but if  if that 's not feasible , I will do it with you as an advisor.


but if  if that 's not feasible , I will do it with you as an advisor.

W we 'd like you to do it and we 'd like to pay you.


W we 'd like you to do it and we 'd like to pay you.


OK. Boy , if I wanted to increase my income I could start doing the transcribing again.


OK. Boy , if I wanted to increase my income I could start doing the transcribing again.

an an an and be and be sure and say , would you like fries with that when you 're thinking about your pay scale.


OK. Boy , if I wanted to increase my income I could start doing the transcribing again.

an an an and be and be sure and say , would you like fries with that when you 're thinking about your pay scale.

I see. Good. Yeah , no , that  I  I would be interested in that  in becoming involved in the project in some aspect like that


an an an and be and be sure and say , would you like fries with that when you 're thinking about your pay scale.

I see. Good. Yeah , no , that  I  I would be interested in that  in becoming involved in the project in some aspect like that


I see. Good. Yeah , no , that  I  I would be interested in that  in becoming involved in the project in some aspect like that

Um , any more on transcript we wanna talk about ?


Um , any more on transcript we wanna talk about ?

What s so what are you  so you 've done some portion of the first meeting. And what 's your plan ?


What s so what are you  so you 've done some portion of the first meeting. And what 's your plan ?

What  Well , you know what I thought was right now we have p So I gave him the proposal for the transcription conventions. He made his , uh , suggestion of improvement.


What  Well , you know what I thought was right now we have p So I gave him the proposal for the transcription conventions. He made his , uh , suggestion of improvement.


What  Well , you know what I thought was right now we have p So I gave him the proposal for the transcription conventions. He made his , uh , suggestion of improvement.

The  the  It 's a good suggestion. So as far as I 'm concerned those transcription conventions are fixed right now. And so my next plan would be


What  Well , you know what I thought was right now we have p So I gave him the proposal for the transcription conventions. He made his , uh , suggestion of improvement.

The  the  It 's a good suggestion. So as far as I 'm concerned those transcription conventions are fixed right now. And so my next plan would be

What  what do they  what do they cover ?


The  the  It 's a good suggestion. So as far as I 'm concerned those transcription conventions are fixed right now. And so my next plan would be

What  what do they  what do they cover ?

They 're very minimal. So ,  it would be good to  just to summarize that. So , um ,  one of them is the idea of how to indicate speaker change ,


What  what do they  what do they cover ?

They 're very minimal. So ,  it would be good to  just to summarize that. So , um ,  one of them is the idea of how to indicate speaker change ,

and this is a way which meshes well with  with , uh , making it  so that , uh , you know , on the  At the


They 're very minimal. So ,  it would be good to  just to summarize that. So , um ,  one of them is the idea of how to indicate speaker change ,

and this is a way which meshes well with  with , uh , making it  so that , uh , you know , on the  At the


and this is a way which meshes well with  with , uh , making it  so that , uh , you know , on the  At the

Boy , it 's such a nice interface. When you  when you get the , um  you  you get the speech signal you also get  down beneath it ,  an indication of ,  uh , if you have two speakers overlapping in a s in a single segment , you see them  one  displayed one above each other. And then at the same time  the top s part of the screen is the actual verbatim thing. You can clip  click on individual utterances and it 'll take you immediately to that part of the speech signal , and play it for you. And you can , eh you can work pretty well between those two  these two things.


and this is a way which meshes well with  with , uh , making it  so that , uh , you know , on the  At the

Boy , it 's such a nice interface. When you  when you get the , um  you  you get the speech signal you also get  down beneath it ,  an indication of ,  uh , if you have two speakers overlapping in a s in a single segment , you see them  one  displayed one above each other. And then at the same time  the top s part of the screen is the actual verbatim thing. You can clip  click on individual utterances and it 'll take you immediately to that part of the speech signal , and play it for you. And you can , eh you can work pretty well between those two  these two things.

Is there a limit to the number of speakers ?


Boy , it 's such a nice interface. When you  when you get the , um  you  you get the speech signal you also get  down beneath it ,  an indication of ,  uh , if you have two speakers overlapping in a s in a single segment , you see them  one  displayed one above each other. And then at the same time  the top s part of the screen is the actual verbatim thing. You can clip  click on individual utterances and it 'll take you immediately to that part of the speech signal , and play it for you. And you can , eh you can work pretty well between those two  these two things.

Is there a limit to the number of speakers ?

Um , the user interface only allows two. And so if  if you 're using their interface to specify overlapping speakers you can only do two.


Is there a limit to the number of speakers ?

Um , the user interface only allows two. And so if  if you 're using their interface to specify overlapping speakers you can only do two.

But my script can handle any. And their save format can handle any. And so , um , using this  the convention that Jane and I have discussed , you can have as many overlapping speakers as you want.


Um , the user interface only allows two. And so if  if you 're using their interface to specify overlapping speakers you can only do two.

But my script can handle any. And their save format can handle any. And so , um , using this  the convention that Jane and I have discussed , you can have as many overlapping speakers as you want.

Do y is this a , uh , university project ?