And that 's   that 's basically it. So. Egocentric two - point , egocentric three - point , or you can have allocentric.

So , " as seen from the church , the town hall is right of that um , fire station ". aa - huh  It 's hardly ever used but it 's w

I 'd love to see it if you  if you have a copy kind of. Uh.


So , " as seen from the church , the town hall is right of that um , fire station ". aa - huh  It 's hardly ever used but it 's w

I 'd love to see it if you  if you have a copy kind of. Uh.


So , " as seen from the church , the town hall is right of that um , fire station ". aa - huh  It 's hardly ever used but it 's w

I 'd love to see it if you  if you have a copy kind of. Uh.

Yeah. I see this is  this is getting into Ami 's thing.


I 'd love to see it if you  if you have a copy kind of. Uh.

Yeah. I see this is  this is getting into Ami 's thing.


Yeah. I see this is  this is getting into Ami 's thing.


Uh. Yeah. Well , why don't you just put it on the web page ? There 's this EDU  Right ?


Uh. Yeah. Well , why don't you just put it on the web page ? There 's this EDU  Right ?

It 's also all on my  my home page at EML. It 's called " An Anatomy of a Spatial Description ".


It 's also all on my  my home page at EML. It 's called " An Anatomy of a Spatial Description ".


By the way , there  something that I didn't know until about a week ago or so , is apparently , there are separate brain areas for things within reach , and things that are out of reach.


By the way , there  something that I didn't know until about a week ago or so , is apparently , there are separate brain areas for things within reach , and things that are out of reach.

So there 's  there 's uh all this linguistic stuff about you know , near and far , or yon and  and so forth.


So there 's  there 's uh all this linguistic stuff about you know , near and far , or yon and  and so forth.


So there 's  there 's uh all this linguistic stuff about you know , near and far , or yon and  and so forth.

So this is all  This is  There 's this linguistic facts. But apparently , the  Uh. Here 's the way the findings go. That , you know they do MRI , and  and if you 're uh  got something within reach then there 's one of your areas lights up , and if something 's out of reach uh a different one. But here 's the  the amazing result , um , they say. You get someone with a  with a deficit so that they have a perfectly normal ability at distance things. So the s typical task is subdivision. So there 's a  a line on the wall over there , and you give them a laser pointer , and you say , " Where 's the midpoint ? " And they do fine. If you give them the line , and they have to touch it , they can't. There 's just that part of the brain isn't functioning , so they can't do that. Here 's the real experiment. The same thing on the wall , you give them a laser , " where is it ? " ,


So this is all  This is  There 's this linguistic facts. But apparently , the  Uh. Here 's the way the findings go. That , you know they do MRI , and  and if you 're uh  got something within reach then there 's one of your areas lights up , and if something 's out of reach uh a different one. But here 's the  the amazing result , um , they say. You get someone with a  with a deficit so that they have a perfectly normal ability at distance things. So the s typical task is subdivision. So there 's a  a line on the wall over there , and you give them a laser pointer , and you say , " Where 's the midpoint ? " And they do fine. If you give them the line , and they have to touch it , they can't. There 's just that part of the brain isn't functioning , so they can't do that. Here 's the real experiment. The same thing on the wall , you give them a laser , " where is it ? " ,

they do it. Give them a stick , long stick , and say " do it " , they can't do it. So there 's a remapping of distant space into nearby space.


So this is all  This is  There 's this linguistic facts. But apparently , the  Uh. Here 's the way the findings go. That , you know they do MRI , and  and if you 're uh  got something within reach then there 's one of your areas lights up , and if something 's out of reach uh a different one. But here 's the  the amazing result , um , they say. You get someone with a  with a deficit so that they have a perfectly normal ability at distance things. So the s typical task is subdivision. So there 's a  a line on the wall over there , and you give them a laser pointer , and you say , " Where 's the midpoint ? " And they do fine. If you give them the line , and they have to touch it , they can't. There 's just that part of the brain isn't functioning , so they can't do that. Here 's the real experiment. The same thing on the wall , you give them a laser , " where is it ? " ,

they do it. Give them a stick , long stick , and say " do it " , they can't do it. So there 's a remapping of distant space into nearby space.

Right. So they doubled  the  the end  the end of this


they do it. Give them a stick , long stick , and say " do it " , they can't do it. So there 's a remapping of distant space into nearby space.

Right. So they doubled  the  the end  the end of this


Right. So they doubled  the  the end  the end of this

It 's not within reach and you use the Within - Reach uh , mechanism.


It 's not within reach and you use the Within - Reach uh , mechanism.


So I 'll d I 'll dig you up this reference.


So I 'll d I 'll dig you up this reference.

And so this doe This is , uh  First of all , it explains something that I 've always wondered about and I 'll do this  this test on you guys as well. So. Uh. How - I have had an experience , not often , but a certain number of times , when , for example , I 'm working with a tool , a screwdriver or something , for a long time , I start feeling the tip directly. Not indirectly , but you actually can feel the tip.


And so this doe This is , uh  First of all , it explains something that I 've always wondered about and I 'll do this  this test on you guys as well. So. Uh. How - I have had an experience , not often , but a certain number of times , when , for example , I 'm working with a tool , a screwdriver or something , for a long time , I start feeling the tip directly. Not indirectly , but you actually can feel the tip.

And people who are uh accomplished violinists and stuff like that , claim they also have this kind of thing where you get a direct sensation of , physical sensation , of the end affector.


And so this doe This is , uh  First of all , it explains something that I 've always wondered about and I 'll do this  this test on you guys as well. So. Uh. How - I have had an experience , not often , but a certain number of times , when , for example , I 'm working with a tool , a screwdriver or something , for a long time , I start feeling the tip directly. Not indirectly , but you actually can feel the tip.

And people who are uh accomplished violinists and stuff like that , claim they also have this kind of thing where you get a direct sensation of , physical sensation , of the end affector.

Yeah. What 's going on at the end of the tool ,


And people who are uh accomplished violinists and stuff like that , claim they also have this kind of thing where you get a direct sensation of , physical sensation , of the end affector.

Yeah. What 's going on at the end of the tool ,


Yeah. What 's going on at the end of the tool ,


What 's going on at the end of the tool , or whatever.


Yeah , right. Have you hav y h had this ?


Yeah , right. Have you hav y h had this ?

The  I  I think so. I mean i i it 's not exactly the th same thing , but  but s it  it  it 's getting close to that.


The  I  I think so. I mean i i it 's not exactly the th same thing , but  but s it  it  it 's getting close to that.

Oh i it feels like your  as if your uh neurons had extended themselves out to this tool , and you 're feeling forces on it and so forth and  and you deal directly with it.


Oh i it feels like your  as if your uh neurons had extended themselves out to this tool , and you 're feeling forces on it and so forth and  and you deal directly with it.

I once  I  I was playing you know with those um uh devices that allow you to manipulate objects when it 's dangerous to get close ? So you can insert your hand something


I once  I  I was playing you know with those um uh devices that allow you to manipulate objects when it 's dangerous to get close ? So you can insert your hand something


So I played with it. After a while , you don't feel the difference anymore. I  I mean it 's kind of


So I played with it. After a while , you don't feel the difference anymore. I  I mean it 's kind of

Very  kind of  you stop back and suddenly it goes away and you have to kind of work again to recapture it , but yeah.


Very  kind of  you stop back and suddenly it goes away and you have to kind of work again to recapture it , but yeah.


Very  kind of  you stop back and suddenly it goes away and you have to kind of work again to recapture it , but yeah.

Right , Yeah , so anyway , so  So this was the first actual experimental evidence I 'd seen that was consistent with this anecdotal stuff.


Right , Yeah , so anyway , so  So this was the first actual experimental evidence I 'd seen that was consistent with this anecdotal stuff.

And of course it makes a lovely def uh story about why languages uh , make this distinction. Of course there are behavioral differences too. Things you can reach are really quite different than things you can't.


And of course it makes a lovely def uh story about why languages uh , make this distinction. Of course there are behavioral differences too. Things you can reach are really quite different than things you can't.

But there seems to be an actu really deep embodied neural difference. And i this is , um  So. In addition to the e


But there seems to be an actu really deep embodied neural difference. And i this is , um  So. In addition to the e

Yeah uh exactly. So in addition to e ego and allocentric uh which appear all over the place , you also apparently have this proximal - distal thing which is very deeply uh embedded. S


But there seems to be an actu really deep embodied neural difference. And i this is , um  So. In addition to the e

Yeah uh exactly. So in addition to e ego and allocentric uh which appear all over the place , you also apparently have this proximal - distal thing which is very deeply uh embedded. S

Well , Dan Montello sort of , he  he does the uh uh  th the cognitive map world , down in Santa Barbara. And he  he always talks about these  He  he already  well  i probably most likely without knowing this  this evidence uh is talking about these small scale spaces that you can manipulate versus large scale environmental spaces.


Yeah uh exactly. So in addition to e ego and allocentric uh which appear all over the place , you also apparently have this proximal - distal thing which is very deeply uh embedded. S

Well , Dan Montello sort of , he  he does the uh uh  th the cognitive map world , down in Santa Barbara. And he  he always talks about these  He  he already  well  i probably most likely without knowing this  this evidence uh is talking about these small scale spaces that you can manipulate versus large scale environmental spaces.

Yeah. Well there 's  there 's uh been a lot of behavioral things o on this , but that was the first neur neuro - physiological thing I saw. Anyway yeah , so we 'll  we 'll look at this. And. So , all of these issues now  are now starting to come up. So , now  we 're now done with demos. We 're starting to do science , right ? And so these issues about uh , reference , and  spatial  reference , discourse reference , uh - uh - uh - uh  all this sort of stuff , uh , deixis which is part of what you were talking about ,


Well , Dan Montello sort of , he  he does the uh uh  th the cognitive map world , down in Santa Barbara. And he  he always talks about these  He  he already  well  i probably most likely without knowing this  this evidence uh is talking about these small scale spaces that you can manipulate versus large scale environmental spaces.

Yeah. Well there 's  there 's uh been a lot of behavioral things o on this , but that was the first neur neuro - physiological thing I saw. Anyway yeah , so we 'll  we 'll look at this. And. So , all of these issues now  are now starting to come up. So , now  we 're now done with demos. We 're starting to do science , right ? And so these issues about uh , reference , and  spatial  reference , discourse reference , uh - uh - uh - uh  all this sort of stuff , uh , deixis which is part of what you were talking about ,

um  So , all of this stuff is coming up essentially starting now. So we gotta do all this. So there 's that. And then there 's also a set of system things that come up. So " OK , we 're not using their system. That means we need our system. "


Yeah. Well there 's  there 's uh been a lot of behavioral things o on this , but that was the first neur neuro - physiological thing I saw. Anyway yeah , so we 'll  we 'll look at this. And. So , all of these issues now  are now starting to come up. So , now  we 're now done with demos. We 're starting to do science , right ? And so these issues about uh , reference , and  spatial  reference , discourse reference , uh - uh - uh - uh  all this sort of stuff , uh , deixis which is part of what you were talking about ,

um  So , all of this stuff is coming up essentially starting now. So we gotta do all this. So there 's that. And then there 's also a set of system things that come up. So " OK , we 're not using their system. That means we need our system. "


um  So , all of this stuff is coming up essentially starting now. So we gotta do all this. So there 's that. And then there 's also a set of system things that come up. So " OK , we 're not using their system. That means we need our system. "


It  it follows. And so , uh , in addition to the business about just getting the linguistics right , and the formalism and stuff , we 're actually gonna build something and uh , Johno is point person on the parser , analyzer , whatever that is , and we 're gonna start on that in parallel with the um , the grammar stuff.


It  it follows. And so , uh , in addition to the business about just getting the linguistics right , and the formalism and stuff , we 're actually gonna build something and uh , Johno is point person on the parser , analyzer , whatever that is , and we 're gonna start on that in parallel with the um , the grammar stuff.

But to do that we 're gonna need to make some decisions like ontology , so , um  And so this is another thing where we 're gonna , you know , have to get involved and make s relatively early I think , make some decisions on uh , " is there an ontology API that  that "  There 's a sort of standard way of getting things from ontologies and we build the parser and stuff around that , or is there a particular ontology that we 're gonna standardize on , and if so  For example , is there something that we can use there. i Does uh either the uh SmartKom project or one of the projects at EML have something that we can just p pull out , for that. Uh , so there are gonna be some  some  some things like that , which are not science but system. But we aren't gonna ignore those cuz we 're  we 're not only going  The plan is not only to lay out this thing , but to actually uh build some of it. And how much we build , and  and so forth.


It  it follows. And so , uh , in addition to the business about just getting the linguistics right , and the formalism and stuff , we 're actually gonna build something and uh , Johno is point person on the parser , analyzer , whatever that is , and we 're gonna start on that in parallel with the um , the grammar stuff.

But to do that we 're gonna need to make some decisions like ontology , so , um  And so this is another thing where we 're gonna , you know , have to get involved and make s relatively early I think , make some decisions on uh , " is there an ontology API that  that "  There 's a sort of standard way of getting things from ontologies and we build the parser and stuff around that , or is there a particular ontology that we 're gonna standardize on , and if so  For example , is there something that we can use there. i Does uh either the uh SmartKom project or one of the projects at EML have something that we can just p pull out , for that. Uh , so there are gonna be some  some  some things like that , which are not science but system. But we aren't gonna ignore those cuz we 're  we 're not only going  The plan is not only to lay out this thing , but to actually uh build some of it. And how much we build , and  and so forth.

Uh. Part of it , if it works right , is wh It looks like we 're now in a position that the construction analyzer that we want for this applied project can be the same as the construction analyzer that Nancy needs for the child language modeling. So. It 's always been out of phase but it now seems that um , there 's a good shot at that. So we 've talked about it , and the hope is that we can make these things the same thing ,


But to do that we 're gonna need to make some decisions like ontology , so , um  And so this is another thing where we 're gonna , you know , have to get involved and make s relatively early I think , make some decisions on uh , " is there an ontology API that  that "  There 's a sort of standard way of getting things from ontologies and we build the parser and stuff around that , or is there a particular ontology that we 're gonna standardize on , and if so  For example , is there something that we can use there. i Does uh either the uh SmartKom project or one of the projects at EML have something that we can just p pull out , for that. Uh , so there are gonna be some  some  some things like that , which are not science but system. But we aren't gonna ignore those cuz we 're  we 're not only going  The plan is not only to lay out this thing , but to actually uh build some of it. And how much we build , and  and so forth.

Uh. Part of it , if it works right , is wh It looks like we 're now in a position that the construction analyzer that we want for this applied project can be the same as the construction analyzer that Nancy needs for the child language modeling. So. It 's always been out of phase but it now seems that um , there 's a good shot at that. So we 've talked about it , and the hope is that we can make these things the same thing ,


But to do that we 're gonna need to make some decisions like ontology , so , um  And so this is another thing where we 're gonna , you know , have to get involved and make s relatively early I think , make some decisions on uh , " is there an ontology API that  that "  There 's a sort of standard way of getting things from ontologies and we build the parser and stuff around that , or is there a particular ontology that we 're gonna standardize on , and if so  For example , is there something that we can use there. i Does uh either the uh SmartKom project or one of the projects at EML have something that we can just p pull out , for that. Uh , so there are gonna be some  some  some things like that , which are not science but system. But we aren't gonna ignore those cuz we 're  we 're not only going  The plan is not only to lay out this thing , but to actually uh build some of it. And how much we build , and  and so forth.

Uh. Part of it , if it works right , is wh It looks like we 're now in a position that the construction analyzer that we want for this applied project can be the same as the construction analyzer that Nancy needs for the child language modeling. So. It 's always been out of phase but it now seems that um , there 's a good shot at that. So we 've talked about it , and the hope is that we can make these things the same thing ,

and of course it 's only w In both cases it 's only one piece of a bigger system.


Uh. Part of it , if it works right , is wh It looks like we 're now in a position that the construction analyzer that we want for this applied project can be the same as the construction analyzer that Nancy needs for the child language modeling. So. It 's always been out of phase but it now seems that um , there 's a good shot at that. So we 've talked about it , and the hope is that we can make these things the same thing ,

and of course it 's only w In both cases it 's only one piece of a bigger system.


and of course it 's only w In both cases it 's only one piece of a bigger system.

But it would be nice if that piece were exactly the same piece.


But it would be nice if that piece were exactly the same piece.

It was just this uh construction analyzer. And so we think  we think we have a shot at  at that.


It was just this uh construction analyzer. And so we think  we think we have a shot at  at that.

So. The for So. To  to come full circle on that , this formalization task , OK ? is trying to get the formalism into  into a shape where it can actually uh


It was just this uh construction analyzer. And so we think  we think we have a shot at  at that.

So. The for So. To  to come full circle on that , this formalization task , OK ? is trying to get the formalism into  into a shape where it can actually uh

Yeah. Be of use to someone who 's trying to do this , right ?


So. The for So. To  to come full circle on that , this formalization task , OK ? is trying to get the formalism into  into a shape where it can actually uh

Yeah. Be of use to someone who 's trying to do this , right ?

d Well , yeah , where it actually is  is  covers the whole range of things. And the  the  the  the thing that got Mark into the worst trouble is he had a very ambitious thing he was trying to do , and he insisted on trying to do it with a limited set of mechanisms. It turned out , inherently not to cover the space.


Yeah. Be of use to someone who 's trying to do this , right ?

d Well , yeah , where it actually is  is  covers the whole range of things. And the  the  the  the thing that got Mark into the worst trouble is he had a very ambitious thing he was trying to do , and he insisted on trying to do it with a limited set of mechanisms. It turned out , inherently not to cover the space.

And it just  it was just terribly frustrating for him ,


d Well , yeah , where it actually is  is  covers the whole range of things. And the  the  the  the thing that got Mark into the worst trouble is he had a very ambitious thing he was trying to do , and he insisted on trying to do it with a limited set of mechanisms. It turned out , inherently not to cover the space.

And it just  it was just terribly frustrating for him ,


And it just  it was just terribly frustrating for him ,

and he seemed fully committed to both sides of this i i irreconcilable thing.


and he seemed fully committed to both sides of this i i irreconcilable thing.


Uh. Huh ? Is  This is true , is it not ?


Uh. Huh ? Is  This is true , is it not ?

OK. So there 's you know sort of , yeah , deep , really deep , emotional commitment to a certain theory being uh , complete.


OK. So there 's you know sort of , yeah , deep , really deep , emotional commitment to a certain theory being uh , complete.


We - well it hasn't it  it certainly hasn't been observed , in any case.


Um. Now , you do , but that 's OK. Uh. So. For  for


Um. Now , you do , but that 's OK. Uh. So. For  for

I have a problem , then. It 's  So. Whether I do depends on whether I 'm talking to him or him probably.


I have a problem , then. It 's  So. Whether I do depends on whether I 'm talking to him or him probably.


I have a problem , then. It 's  So. Whether I do depends on whether I 'm talking to him or him probably.

Right. Why  a actually , uh , the thing is , you  you do but , th the thing you have to im implement is so small that  Uh.


Right. Why  a actually , uh , the thing is , you  you do but , th the thing you have to im implement is so small that  Uh.

Which meeting I 'm in. It 's OK to be purist within that context.


Which meeting I 'm in. It 's OK to be purist within that context.

and uh , it 's  a and still , I think , you know , get something done.


and uh , it 's  a and still , I think , you know , get something done.


and uh , it 's  a and still , I think , you know , get something done.

But to try to do something upscale and purist Particularly if  if um what you 're purist about doesn't actually work ,  is real hard.


But to try to do something upscale and purist Particularly if  if um what you 're purist about doesn't actually work ,  is real hard.


But to try to do something upscale and purist Particularly if  if um what you 're purist about doesn't actually work ,  is real hard.

OK. And then the other thing is while we 're doing this uh Robert 's gonna pick a piece of this space ,


OK. And then the other thing is while we 're doing this uh Robert 's gonna pick a piece of this space ,


OK. And then the other thing is while we 're doing this uh Robert 's gonna pick a piece of this space ,

OK , uh , for his absentee thesis. I think you all know that  that you can just , in Germany  almost just send in your thesis.


OK , uh , for his absentee thesis. I think you all know that  that you can just , in Germany  almost just send in your thesis.


The - th There  there 's a drive - in thesis uh sh  joint over in Saarbruecken.


The - th There  there 's a drive - in thesis uh sh  joint over in Saarbruecken.

It costs a lot. The  the amount  You put in your credit card and   as well. But , uh ,  But anyway , so , uh , that 's um , also gotta be worked out , hopefully over the next few weeks , so that  that it becomes clear uh , what piece uh , Robert wants to jump into. And , while we 're at this level , uh , there 's at least one new doctoral student in computer science who will be joining the project , either next week or the first of August , depending on the blandishments of Microsoft.


It costs a lot. The  the amount  You put in your credit card and   as well. But , uh ,  But anyway , so , uh , that 's um , also gotta be worked out , hopefully over the next few weeks , so that  that it becomes clear uh , what piece uh , Robert wants to jump into. And , while we 're at this level , uh , there 's at least one new doctoral student in computer science who will be joining the project , either next week or the first of August , depending on the blandishments of Microsoft.


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It really is. Nobody believed th th that

Yeah , I thought it had to be a joke , of your part , you know


It really is. Nobody believed th th that

Yeah , I thought it had to be a joke , of your part , you know

like   " Johno made it up , I 'm sure. "


Yeah , I thought it had to be a joke , of your part , you know

like   " Johno made it up , I 'm sure. "

Is this person someone who 's in first - year this year ,


like   " Johno made it up , I 'm sure. "

Is this person someone who 's in first - year this year ,


Is this person someone who 's in first - year this year ,

So , she 's  she 's now out here she 's moved , and she 'll be a student as of then.


So , she 's  she 's now out here she 's moved , and she 'll be a student as of then.


So , she 's  she 's now out here she 's moved , and she 'll be a student as of then.

And probably she 'll pick up from you on the belief - net stuff , so sh she 'll be chasing you down and stuff like that.


And probably she 'll pick up from you on the belief - net stuff , so sh she 'll be chasing you down and stuff like that.


Uh , against all traditions. And actually I talked today to a uh undergraduate who wants to do an honors thesis on this. Uh


Uh , against all traditions. And actually I talked today to a uh undergraduate who wants to do an honors thesis on this. Uh

We always get these people who are not in the class , who


We always get these people who are not in the class , who


We always get these people who are not in the class , who

So anyway , uh , but uh she 's another one of these ones with a three point nine average and so forth and so on.


So anyway , uh , but uh she 's another one of these ones with a three point nine average and so forth and so on.


So anyway , uh , but uh she 's another one of these ones with a three point nine average and so forth and so on.

Uh , so , um , I 've give I 've given her some things to read. So we 'll see how this goes. Oh there 's yet another one of the incoming first   incoming first - year graduate students who 's expressed interest , so we 'll see how that goes. Um , anyway , so , I think as far as this group goes , um , it 's certainly worth continuing for the next few weeks to get closure on the uh belief - net and the ideas that are involved in that , and what are th what are the concepts. We 'll see whether it 's gonna make sense to have this be separate from the other bigger effort with the formalization stuff or not , I 'm not sure. It partly depends on w what your thesis turns out to be and how that goes. S so , we 'll see. And then , Ami , you can decide , you know , how much time you wanna put into it and uh , it it 's beginning to take shap shape ,


Uh , so , um , I 've give I 've given her some things to read. So we 'll see how this goes. Oh there 's yet another one of the incoming first   incoming first - year graduate students who 's expressed interest , so we 'll see how that goes. Um , anyway , so , I think as far as this group goes , um , it 's certainly worth continuing for the next few weeks to get closure on the uh belief - net and the ideas that are involved in that , and what are th what are the concepts. We 'll see whether it 's gonna make sense to have this be separate from the other bigger effort with the formalization stuff or not , I 'm not sure. It partly depends on w what your thesis turns out to be and how that goes. S so , we 'll see. And then , Ami , you can decide , you know , how much time you wanna put into it and uh , it it 's beginning to take shap shape ,


I think you will find that if you want to look technically at some of the  your traditional questions in this light , uh Keith , who 's buil building constructions , will be quite happy to uh see what , you know , you envision as the issues and the problems and um , how they might uh get reflected in constructions.


I  I may have to go to Switzerland for  in June or beginning of July for between two weeks and four weeks , but uh , after that or before that.


I  I may have to go to Switzerland for  in June or beginning of July for between two weeks and four weeks , but uh , after that or before that.

OK , fine. And , um , if it 's useful we can probably arrange for you to drop by and visit either at Heidelberg or at the German AI center , while you 're in  in the neighborhood.


I  I may have to go to Switzerland for  in June or beginning of July for between two weeks and four weeks , but uh , after that or before that.

OK , fine. And , um , if it 's useful we can probably arrange for you to drop by and visit either at Heidelberg or at the German AI center , while you 're in  in the neighborhood.

Right. Yeah be uh actu actually I 'm invited to do some consulting with a bank in Geneva which has an affiliation with a research institute in Geneva , which I forgot the name of.


OK , fine. And , um , if it 's useful we can probably arrange for you to drop by and visit either at Heidelberg or at the German AI center , while you 're in  in the neighborhood.

Right. Yeah be uh actu actually I 'm invited to do some consulting with a bank in Geneva which has an affiliation with a research institute in Geneva , which I forgot the name of.


Right. Yeah be uh actu actually I 'm invited to do some consulting with a bank in Geneva which has an affiliation with a research institute in Geneva , which I forgot the name of.

Well , we we 're connected to uh  There 's a  there 's a  a very significant connection between  We 'll  we 'll go through this ,


Well , we we 're connected to uh  There 's a  there 's a  a very significant connection between  We 'll  we 'll go through this ,


Well , we we 're connected to uh  There 's a  there 's a  a very significant connection between  We 'll  we 'll go through this ,

ICSI and EPFL , which is the , uh  It 's the  Fr Ge - Germany 's got two big technical institutes. There 's one in  in Zurich ,


ICSI and EPFL , which is the , uh  It 's the  Fr Ge - Germany 's got two big technical institutes. There 's one in  in Zurich ,

E T and then there 's one , the French speaking one , in Lausanne ,


E T and then there 's one , the French speaking one , in Lausanne ,


F L. So find out who they are associated with in Geneva.


F L. So find out who they are associated with in Geneva.

Great. I 'll let you know. S I 'll send you email.


Great. I 'll let you know. S I 'll send you email.

OK. Yeah , and so anyway we c uh  We can m undoubtedly get Ami uh to give a talk at uh EML or something like that. While he 's in  in uh


Great. I 'll let you know. S I 'll send you email.

OK. Yeah , and so anyway we c uh  We can m undoubtedly get Ami uh to give a talk at uh EML or something like that. While he 's in  in uh

Hmm. Uh. I  I think the one you  you gave here a couple of weeks ago would be of interest there , too.


OK. Yeah , and so anyway we c uh  We can m undoubtedly get Ami uh to give a talk at uh EML or something like that. While he 's in  in uh

Hmm. Uh. I  I think the one you  you gave here a couple of weeks ago would be of interest there , too.

A lot of interest. Actually , either place , DFKI or uh  Yeah , so , and  and if there is a book , that you 'll be building up some audience for it.


Hmm. Uh. I  I think the one you  you gave here a couple of weeks ago would be of interest there , too.

A lot of interest. Actually , either place , DFKI or uh  Yeah , so , and  and if there is a book , that you 'll be building up some audience for it.


A lot of interest. Actually , either place , DFKI or uh  Yeah , so , and  and if there is a book , that you 'll be building up some audience for it.

And you 'll get feedback from these guys.


And you 'll get feedback from these guys.

Cuz they 've actually  these DFKI guys have done as much as anyone over the last decade in trying to build them. So we 'll set that up.


Cuz they 've actually  these DFKI guys have done as much as anyone over the last decade in trying to build them. So we 'll set that up.

OK. So , uh , unless we wanna start digging into the  uh the belief - net and the decisions now , which would be fine , it 's probably


Cuz they 've actually  these DFKI guys have done as much as anyone over the last decade in trying to build them. So we 'll set that up.

OK. So , uh , unless we wanna start digging into the  uh the belief - net and the decisions now , which would be fine , it 's probably

I  I tho It 's probably better if I come next week with the um version O point nine of the structure.


OK. So , uh , unless we wanna start digging into the  uh the belief - net and the decisions now , which would be fine , it 's probably

I  I tho It 's probably better if I come next week with the um version O point nine of the structure.

OK. So , how about if you two guys between now and next week come up with something that is partially proposal , and partially questions , saying " here 's what we think we understand , here are the things we think we don't understand ". And that we as a group will try to  to finish it. What I 'd like to do is shoot f for finishing all this next Monday.


I  I tho It 's probably better if I come next week with the um version O point nine of the structure.

OK. So , how about if you two guys between now and next week come up with something that is partially proposal , and partially questions , saying " here 's what we think we understand , here are the things we think we don't understand ". And that we as a group will try to  to finish it. What I 'd like to do is shoot f for finishing all this next Monday.

OK ? Uh , " these are the decisions "  I don't think we 're gonna get lots more information. It 's a design problem.


OK. So , how about if you two guys between now and next week come up with something that is partially proposal , and partially questions , saying " here 's what we think we understand , here are the things we think we don't understand ". And that we as a group will try to  to finish it. What I 'd like to do is shoot f for finishing all this next Monday.

OK ? Uh , " these are the decisions "  I don't think we 're gonna get lots more information. It 's a design problem.


OK ? Uh , " these are the decisions "  I don't think we 're gonna get lots more information. It 's a design problem.


Yeah. And let 's come up with a first cut at what this should look like. And then finish it up.


And um , the  the sem semester will be over next week but then you have projects for one more week to come ?


And um , the  the sem semester will be over next week but then you have projects for one more week to come ?

No , I  I think I 'll be done  everything by this uh  by the end of this week.


And um , the  the sem semester will be over next week but then you have projects for one more week to come ?

No , I  I think I 'll be done  everything by this uh  by the end of this week.

Nnn. This  Well , I 've  I have projects , but then the  my prof professor of one of my classes also wa has a final that he 's giving us. And he 's giving us five days to do it which means it going to be hard.


No , I  I think I 'll be done  everything by this uh  by the end of this week.

Nnn. This  Well , I 've  I have projects , but then the  my prof professor of one of my classes also wa has a final that he 's giving us. And he 's giving us five days to do it which means it going to be hard.


Nnn. This  Well , I 've  I have projects , but then the  my prof professor of one of my classes also wa has a final that he 's giving us. And he 's giving us five days to do it which means it going to be hard.

Yeah. Oh. is it a take - home final ? Who 's doing this ?


Yeah. Oh. is it a take - home final ? Who 's doing this ?

Yeah , figured. That would have been i my guess.


Yeah , figured. That would have been i my guess.


So , the seventeenth will definitely be the last day , like it or not for me.


So , the seventeenth will definitely be the last day , like it or not for me.

Right. right. So let 's do this , and then we we well there 's gonna be some separate co these guys are talking , uh we have a group on the formalization , uh Nancy and Johno and I are gonna talk about parsers. So there 're various kinds of uh


So , the seventeenth will definitely be the last day , like it or not for me.

Right. right. So let 's do this , and then we we well there 's gonna be some separate co these guys are talking , uh we have a group on the formalization , uh Nancy and Johno and I are gonna talk about parsers. So there 're various kinds of uh

Of course , nothing gets done even in a meeting of seven people ,


Right. right. So let 's do this , and then we we well there 's gonna be some separate co these guys are talking , uh we have a group on the formalization , uh Nancy and Johno and I are gonna talk about parsers. So there 're various kinds of uh

Of course , nothing gets done even in a meeting of seven people ,


Of course , nothing gets done even in a meeting of seven people ,

right ? So , um , two or three people is the size in which actual work gets done.


right ? So , um , two or three people is the size in which actual work gets done.


right ? So , um , two or three people is the size in which actual work gets done.

So we 'll do that. Great. Oh , the other thing we wanna do is catch up with uh , Ellen and see what she 's doing because the um image schemas are going to be um , an important pa


So we 'll do that. Great. Oh , the other thing we wanna do is catch up with uh , Ellen and see what she 's doing because the um image schemas are going to be um , an important pa


right ? And we want them formalized and stuff like that.


right ? And we want them formalized and stuff like that.

So let me  let me make a note to do that.


right ? And we want them formalized and stuff like that.

So let me  let me make a note to do that.

OK. Yeah , I 'm actually probably going to be in contact with her uh pretty soon anyway because of various of us students were going to have a reading group about precisely that sort of thing over the summer ,


So let me  let me make a note to do that.

OK. Yeah , I 'm actually probably going to be in contact with her uh pretty soon anyway because of various of us students were going to have a reading group about precisely that sort of thing over the summer ,


OK. Yeah , I 'm actually probably going to be in contact with her uh pretty soon anyway because of various of us students were going to have a reading group about precisely that sort of thing over the summer ,


That 's great ! Yeah , I  I  Shweta mentioned that , although she said it 's a secret.


Th - the faculty aren't  faculty aren't supposed to know.


Th - the faculty aren't  faculty aren't supposed to know.

But um , I 'm sufficiently clueless that I count as a


Th - the faculty aren't  faculty aren't supposed to know.

But um , I 'm sufficiently clueless that I count as a

Yeah , right. It 's as if we didn't tell anyone at all ,


But um , I 'm sufficiently clueless that I count as a

Yeah , right. It 's as if we didn't tell anyone at all ,


Yeah , right. It 's as if we didn't tell anyone at all ,


Good to see you all again. Let's see if that comes up. This is our functional design meeting. Um. Just a sec while my PowerPoint comes up. Et voila. Okay. Mm um we put the fashion in electronics. Let's start. Okay , our agenda today um  just check the time , it's twelve thirteen. Um. I'm gonna do an opening , talk about um  did you all get the minutes ? I e-mailed them to you. I'm also putting 'em  them in the shared folder.

So um then I  we'll talk about our general objectives


So um then I  we'll talk about our general objectives


So um then I  we'll talk about our general objectives

and have your three presentations. Um I'll talk about the new project requirements I've just received , and then we have to make a decision on our remote control functions. Finally we'll just close. We're starting this meeting at approximately twelve thirteen and we have forty minutes. So  First of all the functional design objectives. Uh we need to keep in mind the user requirement specification , what needs and desires are to be fulfilled , the  functions design , what effects the apparatus should have , and the working design , how the apparatus actually works to fulfil its function. Okay , three presentations , um you can go in any order you choose um.


So um then I  we'll talk about our general objectives

and have your three presentations. Um I'll talk about the new project requirements I've just received , and then we have to make a decision on our remote control functions. Finally we'll just close. We're starting this meeting at approximately twelve thirteen and we have forty minutes. So  First of all the functional design objectives. Uh we need to keep in mind the user requirement specification , what needs and desires are to be fulfilled , the  functions design , what effects the apparatus should have , and the working design , how the apparatus actually works to fulfil its function. Okay , three presentations , um you can go in any order you choose um.

Mm shall we go in the order that you just did it ?


and have your three presentations. Um I'll talk about the new project requirements I've just received , and then we have to make a decision on our remote control functions. Finally we'll just close. We're starting this meeting at approximately twelve thirteen and we have forty minutes. So  First of all the functional design objectives. Uh we need to keep in mind the user requirement specification , what needs and desires are to be fulfilled , the  functions design , what effects the apparatus should have , and the working design , how the apparatus actually works to fulfil its function. Okay , three presentations , um you can go in any order you choose um.

Mm shall we go in the order that you just did it ?


Mm shall we go in the order that you just did it ?

I think , you might have to disconnect Rose.


I think , you might have to disconnect Rose.


I think , you might have to disconnect Rose.

Well there's a wee a wee plug just just that one there


I think , you might have to disconnect Rose.

Well there's a wee a wee plug just just that one there

Where does it go ? Mm-hmm. Hmm , I'm not supposed to move this ,


Well there's a wee a wee plug just just that one there

Where does it go ? Mm-hmm. Hmm , I'm not supposed to move this ,


Where does it go ? Mm-hmm. Hmm , I'm not supposed to move this ,

And then you have to press function F_ eight


And then you have to press function F_ eight


Is it plugged in all the way and you screwed it in and


Is it plugged in all the way and you screwed it in and

I I think you just have to push it in really hard.


I I think you just have to push it in really hard.


I don't know if you guys are able to get access to um the report that was online or if I'm the only one who is. But , I don't even know how to play this. No.


I don't know if you guys are able to get access to um the report that was online or if I'm the only one who is. But , I don't even know how to play this. No.

Press the little presentation. It's the um  it looks like a Y_ kind of  over there above Draw. There , that one , there you go.


I don't know if you guys are able to get access to um the report that was online or if I'm the only one who is. But , I don't even know how to play this. No.

Press the little presentation. It's the um  it looks like a Y_ kind of  over there above Draw. There , that one , there you go.

Alright. So we're just gonna talk a little bit about the functional requirements that people specified when they were asked. Um I guess Real Reaction did some market research. They had a hundred subjects and their usability lab and they watched them watch T_V_ and recorded the frequency that they used particular buttons and the relevance that those buttons had. What they found was they analysed people's desires and needs. Focusing on their desires , um people specifically said that they thought remotes were ugly  , seventy five per cent of the a hundred subjects noted that and that they  more importantly though , eighty per cent said that they would be willing to pay more for a fancier looking remote. I don't know anything beyond what fancy means ,


Press the little presentation. It's the um  it looks like a Y_ kind of  over there above Draw. There , that one , there you go.

Alright. So we're just gonna talk a little bit about the functional requirements that people specified when they were asked. Um I guess Real Reaction did some market research. They had a hundred subjects and their usability lab and they watched them watch T_V_ and recorded the frequency that they used particular buttons and the relevance that those buttons had. What they found was they analysed people's desires and needs. Focusing on their desires , um people specifically said that they thought remotes were ugly  , seventy five per cent of the a hundred subjects noted that and that they  more importantly though , eighty per cent said that they would be willing to pay more for a fancier looking remote. I don't know anything beyond what fancy means ,

but that's particularly of use to us , I think. Um also they did some questions on voice recognition and found that the desire for voice recognition was inversely related to age , so younger people were more inclined to want something with voice recognition , whereas the older people in the like sixty and above segment or so did not really think that they would pay more money for voice recognitions.


Alright. So we're just gonna talk a little bit about the functional requirements that people specified when they were asked. Um I guess Real Reaction did some market research. They had a hundred subjects and their usability lab and they watched them watch T_V_ and recorded the frequency that they used particular buttons and the relevance that those buttons had. What they found was they analysed people's desires and needs. Focusing on their desires , um people specifically said that they thought remotes were ugly  , seventy five per cent of the a hundred subjects noted that and that they  more importantly though , eighty per cent said that they would be willing to pay more for a fancier looking remote. I don't know anything beyond what fancy means ,

but that's particularly of use to us , I think. Um also they did some questions on voice recognition and found that the desire for voice recognition was inversely related to age , so younger people were more inclined to want something with voice recognition , whereas the older people in the like sixty and above segment or so did not really think that they would pay more money for voice recognitions.


but that's particularly of use to us , I think. Um also they did some questions on voice recognition and found that the desire for voice recognition was inversely related to age , so younger people were more inclined to want something with voice recognition , whereas the older people in the like sixty and above segment or so did not really think that they would pay more money for voice recognitions.

Um people also had certain frustrations , that I think that we could try to take into consideration with our design. That being people k um frustrated with losing their remotes. I think , over fifty percent of the people mentioned that that was their biggest frustration. People are also frustrated with the difficulty it is to learn how to use a remote and I think that ties back to what you were saying before


Um people also had certain frustrations , that I think that we could try to take into consideration with our design. That being people k um frustrated with losing their remotes. I think , over fifty percent of the people mentioned that that was their biggest frustration. People are also frustrated with the difficulty it is to learn how to use a remote and I think that ties back to what you were saying before

just that there's too many buttons , it just needs to be easy to use. It also mentioned something called R_S_I_ and I was hoping someone might be able to inform me as to what R_S_I_ is ,


just that there's too many buttons , it just needs to be easy to use. It also mentioned something called R_S_I_ and I was hoping someone might be able to inform me as to what R_S_I_ is ,


Wow. People do not like that. So I guess sort of the carpal tunnel type thing , people do not like that , um the repetitive use , I guess , caused a strain. Um looking at the needs people specified , the problem right now is that people's remotes are not matching their operating behaviour. People are only using ten per cent of the buttons that they have offered to them on their remote. And what people do most often is changing the channel and changing the volume. People also zap like to change the channel , about um sixty five per cent during an hour of use. So we really just need to focus in on those volumes and channel changers rather than things like the audio settings , the screen settings and the channel settings , because they're used much more infrequently and probably just complicate what's going on. So I think that some things that we might wanna think about , the idea of an L_C_D_ screen was brought up although they didn't have any details on what people's preferences on that were , so I dunno know if that's coming to me later , or something like that. But something for us to consider also just the phenomenon that less is more when it comes to the buttons on the remote or what we wanna make easiest to use , make sure that , you know , something like an audio setting isn't given as much importance and visibility on the remote as something like channel changing that's used a lot more often. And basically in order for us to win over to the consumer we just need to focus on what it looks like , that it has a fancy appeal and that it's not ugly  and that it feels like the way they're gonna use it , so it doesn't give them any hand injuries or things like that.


Wow. People do not like that. So I guess sort of the carpal tunnel type thing , people do not like that , um the repetitive use , I guess , caused a strain. Um looking at the needs people specified , the problem right now is that people's remotes are not matching their operating behaviour. People are only using ten per cent of the buttons that they have offered to them on their remote. And what people do most often is changing the channel and changing the volume. People also zap like to change the channel , about um sixty five per cent during an hour of use. So we really just need to focus in on those volumes and channel changers rather than things like the audio settings , the screen settings and the channel settings , because they're used much more infrequently and probably just complicate what's going on. So I think that some things that we might wanna think about , the idea of an L_C_D_ screen was brought up although they didn't have any details on what people's preferences on that were , so I dunno know if that's coming to me later , or something like that. But something for us to consider also just the phenomenon that less is more when it comes to the buttons on the remote or what we wanna make easiest to use , make sure that , you know , something like an audio setting isn't given as much importance and visibility on the remote as something like channel changing that's used a lot more often. And basically in order for us to win over to the consumer we just need to focus on what it looks like , that it has a fancy appeal and that it's not ugly  and that it feels like the way they're gonna use it , so it doesn't give them any hand injuries or things like that.

Thank you very much. That was that was great.


Thank you very much. That was that was great.

Um  's move on to the next presentation um on effects. Was that you ?


Um  's move on to the next presentation um on effects. Was that you ?


Push. User interface , right. Interface.


Push. User interface , right. Interface.

Mm-hmm. And I think that's in the shared , if I did it right , if anyone wants to look at it.


Mm-hmm. And I think that's in the shared , if I did it right , if anyone wants to look at it.


Here we go. Right so I'm gonna talk about the technical technical functions design of the remote control um. We need to start by considering what a remote control actually is. It's a device that allows us to produce certain effects on our television , so i it's basically a communication device. We we tell the remote control what we want to do , it sends a message to the television saying change the channel , change the volume , uh yeah , adjust these settings , adjust the brightness. Um how do we actually go about designing a new television remote control ? First thing to do is to come up with the design specifications. We need to know what our final product is gonna be like , so we need a a clear idea of exactly what this product does , uh how it works , and what the end-user is gonna want from this product. Um. Oh , a way I'd suggest that we could go about this is by designing uh several different prototypes of user interfaces for this product , um and then uh trying to get some feedback uh about


Here we go. Right so I'm gonna talk about the technical technical functions design of the remote control um. We need to start by considering what a remote control actually is. It's a device that allows us to produce certain effects on our television , so i it's basically a communication device. We we tell the remote control what we want to do , it sends a message to the television saying change the channel , change the volume , uh yeah , adjust these settings , adjust the brightness. Um how do we actually go about designing a new television remote control ? First thing to do is to come up with the design specifications. We need to know what our final product is gonna be like , so we need a a clear idea of exactly what this product does , uh how it works , and what the end-user is gonna want from this product. Um. Oh , a way I'd suggest that we could go about this is by designing uh several different prototypes of user interfaces for this product , um and then uh trying to get some feedback uh about

h how well these particular prototypes work , uh sorta find out what people think of 'em. Um using a remote control is is quite a subjective experience. Um ,


Here we go. Right so I'm gonna talk about the technical technical functions design of the remote control um. We need to start by considering what a remote control actually is. It's a device that allows us to produce certain effects on our television , so i it's basically a communication device. We we tell the remote control what we want to do , it sends a message to the television saying change the channel , change the volume , uh yeah , adjust these settings , adjust the brightness. Um how do we actually go about designing a new television remote control ? First thing to do is to come up with the design specifications. We need to know what our final product is gonna be like , so we need a a clear idea of exactly what this product does , uh how it works , and what the end-user is gonna want from this product. Um. Oh , a way I'd suggest that we could go about this is by designing uh several different prototypes of user interfaces for this product , um and then uh trying to get some feedback uh about

h how well these particular prototypes work , uh sorta find out what people think of 'em. Um using a remote control is is quite a subjective experience. Um ,

and different different people sort of prefer different things. Um we should remember that remote controls are a a fairly standard piece of equipment. When a users using a remote control , he or she expects the buttons to be in certain places. So in some sense we're gonna we're gonna have to aim for a device which is fairly conventional in design uh so that we're not completely shocking people. But I think within that there is also room for us to introduce novel ideas uh and to make something that's that's perhaps a little bit different , something that stands out. Um also in in designing the user interface we need to consider practicalities. Uh the first of these is is technological ye uh what can we do with the current state of technology as it is. The second is is economic , uh we need to find a balance between features and price. So as you mentioned things like voice recognition would would add to the price uh but it would also im improve the design of the product.


h how well these particular prototypes work , uh sorta find out what people think of 'em. Um using a remote control is is quite a subjective experience. Um ,

and different different people sort of prefer different things. Um we should remember that remote controls are a a fairly standard piece of equipment. When a users using a remote control , he or she expects the buttons to be in certain places. So in some sense we're gonna we're gonna have to aim for a device which is fairly conventional in design uh so that we're not completely shocking people. But I think within that there is also room for us to introduce novel ideas uh and to make something that's that's perhaps a little bit different , something that stands out. Um also in in designing the user interface we need to consider practicalities. Uh the first of these is is technological ye uh what can we do with the current state of technology as it is. The second is is economic , uh we need to find a balance between features and price. So as you mentioned things like voice recognition would would add to the price uh but it would also im improve the design of the product.


and different different people sort of prefer different things. Um we should remember that remote controls are a a fairly standard piece of equipment. When a users using a remote control , he or she expects the buttons to be in certain places. So in some sense we're gonna we're gonna have to aim for a device which is fairly conventional in design uh so that we're not completely shocking people. But I think within that there is also room for us to introduce novel ideas uh and to make something that's that's perhaps a little bit different , something that stands out. Um also in in designing the user interface we need to consider practicalities. Uh the first of these is is technological ye uh what can we do with the current state of technology as it is. The second is is economic , uh we need to find a balance between features and price. So as you mentioned things like voice recognition would would add to the price uh but it would also im improve the design of the product.

So I had a look on the  on the web uh to see if I could find a few examples of existing television remote controls. In analysing these we can consider what what things  what's good about them , uh what things do they get right , what's bad about them , what's wrong with 'em , um how we can improve on the designs that that that I found and what can we do to make our product stand out from from the large majority of remote controls. Here's two examples uh probably at the extreme ends of the spectrum.


and different different people sort of prefer different things. Um we should remember that remote controls are a a fairly standard piece of equipment. When a users using a remote control , he or she expects the buttons to be in certain places. So in some sense we're gonna we're gonna have to aim for a device which is fairly conventional in design uh so that we're not completely shocking people. But I think within that there is also room for us to introduce novel ideas uh and to make something that's that's perhaps a little bit different , something that stands out. Um also in in designing the user interface we need to consider practicalities. Uh the first of these is is technological ye uh what can we do with the current state of technology as it is. The second is is economic , uh we need to find a balance between features and price. So as you mentioned things like voice recognition would would add to the price uh but it would also im improve the design of the product.

So I had a look on the  on the web uh to see if I could find a few examples of existing television remote controls. In analysing these we can consider what what things  what's good about them , uh what things do they get right , what's bad about them , what's wrong with 'em , um how we can improve on the designs that that that I found and what can we do to make our product stand out from from the large majority of remote controls. Here's two examples uh probably at the extreme ends of the spectrum.

Um on the left here we've got uh an engineering-based design for a remote control ,


So I had a look on the  on the web uh to see if I could find a few examples of existing television remote controls. In analysing these we can consider what what things  what's good about them , uh what things do they get right , what's bad about them , what's wrong with 'em , um how we can improve on the designs that that that I found and what can we do to make our product stand out from from the large majority of remote controls. Here's two examples uh probably at the extreme ends of the spectrum.

Um on the left here we've got uh an engineering-based design for a remote control ,

so it's one that's got lots of buttons , it's it's fully featured , everything you might possibly want to do is there , you know , it's got forward , backwards , up , down , channel numbers , volume , uh freeze frame. Yeah , it's it's fully featured and it might take a while to get to learn to use it , but once you've learned it you can  you can do whatever you want with your T_V_. The one on the right is a lot more basic. It's just got the essential functions of the T_V_ changing the channel , play , stop , volume. It would be a lot quicker to learn to use it , but again th it's it's swings and roundabouts. There are disadvantages , you can't use it say to to freeze the television picture. Uh there's a lot of features that are missing from that remote control. So we've got to to find our  find a way of striking a balance between the two. Um as I said before , remote controls are subjective , different people want want different things. Um personally wa what I want from a remote control is a device that's simple , it it's easy to use , uh it's got big buttons for doing the things I do most often , changing the volume , changing the channel. It it does everything that I need it to uh , as I said before , I'm quite lazy , I don't wanna walk across the room just to adjust my television. I also want something that that looks cool , um and that that feels good , that's ergonomically designed.


So I had a look on the  on the web uh to see if I could find a few examples of existing television remote controls. In analysing these we can consider what what things  what's good about them , uh what things do they get right , what's bad about them , what's wrong with 'em , um how we can improve on the designs that that that I found and what can we do to make our product stand out from from the large majority of remote controls. Here's two examples uh probably at the extreme ends of the spectrum.

Um on the left here we've got uh an engineering-based design for a remote control ,

so it's one that's got lots of buttons , it's it's fully featured , everything you might possibly want to do is there , you know , it's got forward , backwards , up , down , channel numbers , volume , uh freeze frame. Yeah , it's it's fully featured and it might take a while to get to learn to use it , but once you've learned it you can  you can do whatever you want with your T_V_. The one on the right is a lot more basic. It's just got the essential functions of the T_V_ changing the channel , play , stop , volume. It would be a lot quicker to learn to use it , but again th it's it's swings and roundabouts. There are disadvantages , you can't use it say to to freeze the television picture. Uh there's a lot of features that are missing from that remote control. So we've got to to find our  find a way of striking a balance between the two. Um as I said before , remote controls are subjective , different people want want different things. Um personally wa what I want from a remote control is a device that's simple , it it's easy to use , uh it's got big buttons for doing the things I do most often , changing the volume , changing the channel. It it does everything that I need it to uh , as I said before , I'm quite lazy , I don't wanna walk across the room just to adjust my television. I also want something that that looks cool , um and that that feels good , that's ergonomically designed.

Mm 'kay. Thank you very much. That was very useful.  It's funny to see the  drastic difference between those two remotes.  Um.


Um on the left here we've got uh an engineering-based design for a remote control ,

so it's one that's got lots of buttons , it's it's fully featured , everything you might possibly want to do is there , you know , it's got forward , backwards , up , down , channel numbers , volume , uh freeze frame. Yeah , it's it's fully featured and it might take a while to get to learn to use it , but once you've learned it you can  you can do whatever you want with your T_V_. The one on the right is a lot more basic. It's just got the essential functions of the T_V_ changing the channel , play , stop , volume. It would be a lot quicker to learn to use it , but again th it's it's swings and roundabouts. There are disadvantages , you can't use it say to to freeze the television picture. Uh there's a lot of features that are missing from that remote control. So we've got to to find our  find a way of striking a balance between the two. Um as I said before , remote controls are subjective , different people want want different things. Um personally wa what I want from a remote control is a device that's simple , it it's easy to use , uh it's got big buttons for doing the things I do most often , changing the volume , changing the channel. It it does everything that I need it to uh , as I said before , I'm quite lazy , I don't wanna walk across the room just to adjust my television. I also want something that that looks cool , um and that that feels good , that's ergonomically designed.

Mm 'kay. Thank you very much. That was very useful.  It's funny to see the  drastic difference between those two remotes.  Um.


so it's one that's got lots of buttons , it's it's fully featured , everything you might possibly want to do is there , you know , it's got forward , backwards , up , down , channel numbers , volume , uh freeze frame. Yeah , it's it's fully featured and it might take a while to get to learn to use it , but once you've learned it you can  you can do whatever you want with your T_V_. The one on the right is a lot more basic. It's just got the essential functions of the T_V_ changing the channel , play , stop , volume. It would be a lot quicker to learn to use it , but again th it's it's swings and roundabouts. There are disadvantages , you can't use it say to to freeze the television picture. Uh there's a lot of features that are missing from that remote control. So we've got to to find our  find a way of striking a balance between the two. Um as I said before , remote controls are subjective , different people want want different things. Um personally wa what I want from a remote control is a device that's simple , it it's easy to use , uh it's got big buttons for doing the things I do most often , changing the volume , changing the channel. It it does everything that I need it to uh , as I said before , I'm quite lazy , I don't wanna walk across the room just to adjust my television. I also want something that that looks cool , um and that that feels good , that's ergonomically designed.

Mm 'kay. Thank you very much. That was very useful.  It's funny to see the  drastic difference between those two remotes.  Um.

And neither of them were very pretty , you know ?


Mm 'kay. Thank you very much. That was very useful.  It's funny to see the  drastic difference between those two remotes.  Um.

And neither of them were very pretty , you know ?


And neither of them were very pretty , you know ?


And neither of them were very pretty , you know ?

I think that could be our selling point.


I think that could be our selling point.


I think there's there's certainly a market for technology that looks cool.


I think there's there's certainly a market for technology that looks cool.

And I think that's that's why companies like Apple've 've 've made a lot of progress.


And I think that's that's why companies like Apple've 've 've made a lot of progress.


Right , I really can't see what I'm doing , so does anyone have a


Right , I really can't see what I'm doing , so does anyone have a

Ah-ha , look at that , showing up already.


Ah-ha , look at that , showing up already.

So wait , did it let you go on the Internet or was that just what it let you see ?


Ah-ha , look at that , showing up already.

So wait , did it let you go on the Internet or was that just what it let you see ?

Uh that was just on the d on the company web site , yeah.


So wait , did it let you go on the Internet or was that just what it let you see ?

Uh that was just on the d on the company web site , yeah.


Uh that was just on the d on the company web site , yeah.


and then I'm like wait  it won't let me google.


and then I'm like wait  it won't let me google.

Um the  it's right above Draw. There are three thingy if  it's way at the bottom. Under three icons


Um the  it's right above Draw. There are three thingy if  it's way at the bottom. Under three icons

and it's the one that looks like a desk. Yeah , that one. There are Y_s .


Um the  it's right above Draw. There are three thingy if  it's way at the bottom. Under three icons

and it's the one that looks like a desk. Yeah , that one. There are Y_s .

Okay. So this is our working design presentation. Um I had a bit of  some issues with this , because I wasn't able to find everything I needed , but I guess that's  we're still in early stages. Um so , yeah , this is this. Though th the thing about working design is the  what we're trying to do as a working design is figure out how the aparata apparatus can fulfil its function. Um one of the examples that kept coming up for me is that a coffee grinder. It works because it converts electrical energy to grinding the beans and then you put the bean through a filter and that filters out , and then you get coffee at the end that's nice and hot because of the combination of electrical energy and then the other things that are brought in to make it work. Don't know if I'm explaining that very well , but  how do I get to the next s ah. So h the method as um working designers figure out what you need to make it fulfil this practical function , what what needs to be done and how do we convert all the elements to make that done.


and it's the one that looks like a desk. Yeah , that one. There are Y_s .

Okay. So this is our working design presentation. Um I had a bit of  some issues with this , because I wasn't able to find everything I needed , but I guess that's  we're still in early stages. Um so , yeah , this is this. Though th the thing about working design is the  what we're trying to do as a working design is figure out how the aparata apparatus can fulfil its function. Um one of the examples that kept coming up for me is that a coffee grinder. It works because it converts electrical energy to grinding the beans and then you put the bean through a filter and that filters out , and then you get coffee at the end that's nice and hot because of the combination of electrical energy and then the other things that are brought in to make it work. Don't know if I'm explaining that very well , but  how do I get to the next s ah. So h the method as um working designers figure out what you need to make it fulfil this practical function , what what needs to be done and how do we convert all the elements to make that done.

So wha the easiest thing to do is to break down all the points at which you need something to happen. So you make a schematic of the way that the the energy is converted tsh towards this practical function. And then I think the easiest thing to do is gonna be work on each task separately. So um


Okay. So this is our working design presentation. Um I had a bit of  some issues with this , because I wasn't able to find everything I needed , but I guess that's  we're still in early stages. Um so , yeah , this is this. Though th the thing about working design is the  what we're trying to do as a working design is figure out how the aparata apparatus can fulfil its function. Um one of the examples that kept coming up for me is that a coffee grinder. It works because it converts electrical energy to grinding the beans and then you put the bean through a filter and that filters out , and then you get coffee at the end that's nice and hot because of the combination of electrical energy and then the other things that are brought in to make it work. Don't know if I'm explaining that very well , but  how do I get to the next s ah. So h the method as um working designers figure out what you need to make it fulfil this practical function , what what needs to be done and how do we convert all the elements to make that done.

So wha the easiest thing to do is to break down all the points at which you need something to happen. So you make a schematic of the way that the the energy is converted tsh towards this practical function. And then I think the easiest thing to do is gonna be work on each task separately. So um


So wha the easiest thing to do is to break down all the points at which you need something to happen. So you make a schematic of the way that the the energy is converted tsh towards this practical function. And then I think the easiest thing to do is gonna be work on each task separately. So um


So the findings that I got uh very  just very briefly is that you have a choice of the way that the information is projected to the receiver and in my opinion infra-red is the best way to do that 'cause you don't need a sight line. So that's one thing we're gonna work on. Um the user interface is critical here , because a lot of the things that happen in a remote control happen through the chip that controls  that converts the electrical energy into data , which then goes through the infra-red , so the the chip that uh I think Ian is designing , is gonna be crucial. And really it all comes down to the to the user , because they're the one that's controlling most of the working design. So the components that we find here are the energy source , you know the battery or whatever that's gonna m make it work , then the chip , which converts the data , the user that's controlling the chip , and the infra-red bulb that's gonna let us move the data to the receiver. So you have four main components and they are designed sort of like this. You have your energy source right there which then um brings uh energy or information to the chip , which is also controlled by the users. You have energy going to the user who's controlling the chip  ooh 's not what I wanted to do uh uh.


So the findings that I got uh very  just very briefly is that you have a choice of the way that the information is projected to the receiver and in my opinion infra-red is the best way to do that 'cause you don't need a sight line. So that's one thing we're gonna work on. Um the user interface is critical here , because a lot of the things that happen in a remote control happen through the chip that controls  that converts the electrical energy into data , which then goes through the infra-red , so the the chip that uh I think Ian is designing , is gonna be crucial. And really it all comes down to the to the user , because they're the one that's controlling most of the working design. So the components that we find here are the energy source , you know the battery or whatever that's gonna m make it work , then the chip , which converts the data , the user that's controlling the chip , and the infra-red bulb that's gonna let us move the data to the receiver. So you have four main components and they are designed sort of like this. You have your energy source right there which then um brings uh energy or information to the chip , which is also controlled by the users. You have energy going to the user who's controlling the chip  ooh 's not what I wanted to do uh uh.

Um yeah use that thing  you can go back , previous.


Um yeah use that thing  you can go back , previous.


Okay , let's just get back to my schematic here.


Okay , let's just get back to my schematic here.

Ye Double click on it. With the right  with the left hand one.


Okay , let's just get back to my schematic here.

Ye Double click on it. With the right  with the left hand one.

W yeah , yeah. I think it's frozen. Here. Don't show me that tip again.


Ye Double click on it. With the right  with the left hand one.

W yeah , yeah. I think it's frozen. Here. Don't show me that tip again.


W yeah , yeah. I think it's frozen. Here. Don't show me that tip again.

I'm kind of pathetic with things like this. Um alright. So you have your energy source , your user interface who's controlling the chip , the chip also uses the energy , and the chip through the use of the user interface is gonna control the switch which will work your infra-red bulb , which will then bring the data to the receiver. So hopefully that makes sense for everyone in my kind of garbled way.


I'm kind of pathetic with things like this. Um alright. So you have your energy source , your user interface who's controlling the chip , the chip also uses the energy , and the chip through the use of the user interface is gonna control the switch which will work your infra-red bulb , which will then bring the data to the receiver. So hopefully that makes sense for everyone in my kind of garbled way.


I'm kind of pathetic with things like this. Um alright. So you have your energy source , your user interface who's controlling the chip , the chip also uses the energy , and the chip through the use of the user interface is gonna control the switch which will work your infra-red bulb , which will then bring the data to the receiver. So hopefully that makes sense for everyone in my kind of garbled way.

This is the the parts of the working design that need to be figured out. And  personal preferences , besides the fact that I can't spell , we need a long-lasting energy source , people don't wanna be changing it a lot. We need a chip that works well with the user interface , that isn't too complicated. We need a straightforward interface , like Ian was saying , simple , not overwhelming it with information and we need a reliable and clear infra-red signal , so that you're not waving your remote around


This is the the parts of the working design that need to be figured out. And  personal preferences , besides the fact that I can't spell , we need a long-lasting energy source , people don't wanna be changing it a lot. We need a chip that works well with the user interface , that isn't too complicated. We need a straightforward interface , like Ian was saying , simple , not overwhelming it with information and we need a reliable and clear infra-red signal , so that you're not waving your remote around

and having to get frustrated and go do it by hands. So that's pretty much it for the working design.


and having to get frustrated and go do it by hands. So that's pretty much it for the working design.

Rose , do you think you can give me a hand with this ?


and having to get frustrated and go do it by hands. So that's pretty much it for the working design.

Rose , do you think you can give me a hand with this ?

Yes , absolutely. Ah I can never tell which way to turn these things.


Rose , do you think you can give me a hand with this ?

Yes , absolutely. Ah I can never tell which way to turn these things.


Yes , absolutely. Ah I can never tell which way to turn these things.


Yeah , that's a good one it'll stick with you.


Yeah , that's a good one it'll stick with you.

Mm 'kay. Um I have nothing on my screen. Just a sec. Here we are.


Mm 'kay. Um I have nothing on my screen. Just a sec. Here we are.


Okay , requirements. We have a couple new requirements that I was just e-mailed right before the meeting and that we have to keep in in um in mind as we're creating this.


Okay , requirements. We have a couple new requirements that I was just e-mailed right before the meeting and that we have to keep in in um in mind as we're creating this.

We didn't bring it up yet , or at all in the meetings so far , but we're not gonna work with teletext because um  well it  that's been taken over by the internet , so we're not gonna worry about um  we're not gonna worry about that.


We didn't bring it up yet , or at all in the meetings so far , but we're not gonna work with teletext because um  well it  that's been taken over by the internet , so we're not gonna worry about um  we're not gonna worry about that.


no. W d could  would you care to explain it ?


no. W d could  would you care to explain it ?

Oh , I didn't realise. Um yeah , it's like a  I suppose it's kind of similar to a very very basic web browser. Um you have like you have uh numbers on your remote control , uh y and you type in the page number you want ,


no. W d could  would you care to explain it ?

Oh , I didn't realise. Um yeah , it's like a  I suppose it's kind of similar to a very very basic web browser. Um you have like you have uh numbers on your remote control , uh y and you type in the page number you want ,

so like you type a hundred on your remote control and this this kind of index appears on the television screen with just some some text and some very blocky looking graphics on it. And you just type numbers to go to different pages and it gives you information , mostly rather boring stuff like what's on T_V_ next and share prices and that kind of thing.


Oh , I didn't realise. Um yeah , it's like a  I suppose it's kind of similar to a very very basic web browser. Um you have like you have uh numbers on your remote control , uh y and you type in the page number you want ,

so like you type a hundred on your remote control and this this kind of index appears on the television screen with just some some text and some very blocky looking graphics on it. And you just type numbers to go to different pages and it gives you information , mostly rather boring stuff like what's on T_V_ next and share prices and that kind of thing.


so like you type a hundred on your remote control and this this kind of index appears on the television screen with just some some text and some very blocky looking graphics on it. And you just type numbers to go to different pages and it gives you information , mostly rather boring stuff like what's on T_V_ next and share prices and that kind of thing.


so like you type a hundred on your remote control and this this kind of index appears on the television screen with just some some text and some very blocky looking graphics on it. And you just type numbers to go to different pages and it gives you information , mostly rather boring stuff like what's on T_V_ next and share prices and that kind of thing.

But if you ever see the T_V_ saying like go to page one sixty on Ceefax now , that's what they're talking about.


But if you ever see the T_V_ saying like go to page one sixty on Ceefax now , that's what they're talking about.


I have no idea why we don't have it , but


I have no idea why we don't have it , but

Interesting. Okay um , well , we're not gonna  the management has decided we're not gonna work with that. Um


I have no idea why we don't have it , but

Interesting. Okay um , well , we're not gonna  the management has decided we're not gonna work with that. Um

Okay um and we're also gonna w like your question earlier um whether this is going to be t for television , video , or etcetera. Just for television. That's what we're focused on.


Interesting. Okay um , well , we're not gonna  the management has decided we're not gonna work with that. Um

Okay um and we're also gonna w like your question earlier um whether this is going to be t for television , video , or etcetera. Just for television. That's what we're focused on.


Interesting. Okay um , well , we're not gonna  the management has decided we're not gonna work with that. Um

Okay um and we're also gonna w like your question earlier um whether this is going to be t for television , video , or etcetera. Just for television. That's what we're focused on.

Um otherwise becomes to complex , we wanna get this out um very quickly. We only have a a short amount of time.


Okay um and we're also gonna w like your question earlier um whether this is going to be t for television , video , or etcetera. Just for television. That's what we're focused on.

Um otherwise becomes to complex , we wanna get this out um very quickly. We only have a a short amount of time.


Um otherwise becomes to complex , we wanna get this out um very quickly. We only have a a short amount of time.

Um and finally there's more marketing , I think , um , our corporate image has to be recognisable. So while we're gonna make it look pretty we need to use our colour and our slogan i in the new design.


Um and finally there's more marketing , I think , um , our corporate image has to be recognisable. So while we're gonna make it look pretty we need to use our colour and our slogan i in the new design.

So what's our corporate image like ? It's  It's kind of yellow colour with uh we put fashion in electronics.


Um and finally there's more marketing , I think , um , our corporate image has to be recognisable. So while we're gonna make it look pretty we need to use our colour and our slogan i in the new design.

So what's our corporate image like ? It's  It's kind of yellow colour with uh we put fashion in electronics.

Looks like , yeah , kind of a yellow and black and we have that  the emphasis on the R_s in um


So what's our corporate image like ? It's  It's kind of yellow colour with uh we put fashion in electronics.

Looks like , yeah , kind of a yellow and black and we have that  the emphasis on the R_s in um


Looks like , yeah , kind of a yellow and black and we have that  the emphasis on the R_s in um


But it's , yeah , we put the um fashion in electronics. So we gotta keep that in that in mind.


But it's , yeah , we put the um fashion in electronics. So we gotta keep that in that in mind.

Okay , so we want something that looks good


Okay , so we want something that looks good

Yeah , or  ha maybe some buttons could be yellow. Like , we can we can play around with it a little bit.


Yeah , or  ha maybe some buttons could be yellow. Like , we can we can play around with it a little bit.


Yeah , or  ha maybe some buttons could be yellow. Like , we can we can play around with it a little bit.

Um. Okay , we need to talk about our functions and our target group. We need to decide who our target group is. You um in your analysis of different market um  of the marketing , you identified that different groups wanted different things


Um. Okay , we need to talk about our functions and our target group. We need to decide who our target group is. You um in your analysis of different market um  of the marketing , you identified that different groups wanted different things

or had certain preferences , for example that um that older people didn't really care for um voice recognition , but younger people did.


or had certain preferences , for example that um that older people didn't really care for um voice recognition , but younger people did.


or had certain preferences , for example that um that older people didn't really care for um voice recognition , but younger people did.

Well if we're gonna say that function um fashion  we put the fashion in in electronics then you  automatically , I think , a sort of younger group that  that's  who's gonna be attracted to this.


Well if we're gonna say that function um fashion  we put the fashion in in electronics then you  automatically , I think , a sort of younger group that  that's  who's gonna be attracted to this.

Yes , I do think , who's gonna have the money to buy that also , that one ?


Well if we're gonna say that function um fashion  we put the fashion in in electronics then you  automatically , I think , a sort of younger group that  that's  who's gonna be attracted to this.

Yes , I do think , who's gonna have the money to buy that also , that one ?

Mm-hmm. It's gonna be twenty five Euro remember , so um it has to be avai marketable to um whomever it is.


Yes , I do think , who's gonna have the money to buy that also , that one ?

Mm-hmm. It's gonna be twenty five Euro remember , so um it has to be avai marketable to um whomever it is.

Is it  is it something that's gonna be sold separately from the television or is it something that comes w with a television ? 'Cause that would affect the way that we market it.


Mm-hmm. It's gonna be twenty five Euro remember , so um it has to be avai marketable to um whomever it is.

Is it  is it something that's gonna be sold separately from the television or is it something that comes w with a television ? 'Cause that would affect the way that we market it.

Well at least right now what we're doing is um deciding on just the remote itself , so it will probably be sold separately , twenty five Euro by itself.


Is it  is it something that's gonna be sold separately from the television or is it something that comes w with a television ? 'Cause that would affect the way that we market it.

Well at least right now what we're doing is um deciding on just the remote itself , so it will probably be sold separately , twenty five Euro by itself.


Is it  is it something that's gonna be sold separately from the television or is it something that comes w with a television ? 'Cause that would affect the way that we market it.

Well at least right now what we're doing is um deciding on just the remote itself , so it will probably be sold separately , twenty five Euro by itself.

The only break-down that I was given in terms of age was the voice activation and basically there's a big jump , after thirty five people don't really care if it has voice , so it's like basically fifteen to thirty five that think that that's a good idea.


Well at least right now what we're doing is um deciding on just the remote itself , so it will probably be sold separately , twenty five Euro by itself.

The only break-down that I was given in terms of age was the voice activation and basically there's a big jump , after thirty five people don't really care if it has voice , so it's like basically fifteen to thirty five that think that that's a good idea.


The only break-down that I was given in terms of age was the voice activation and basically there's a big jump , after thirty five people don't really care if it has voice , so it's like basically fifteen to thirty five that think that that's a good idea.

I dunno I'm gonna be given any other numbers broken down in terms of age later , but if that's sort of the only quality that we have that is divided into age then we would wanna stick between the fifteen and thirty five range.


The only break-down that I was given in terms of age was the voice activation and basically there's a big jump , after thirty five people don't really care if it has voice , so it's like basically fifteen to thirty five that think that that's a good idea.

I dunno I'm gonna be given any other numbers broken down in terms of age later , but if that's sort of the only quality that we have that is divided into age then we would wanna stick between the fifteen and thirty five range.

Yeah , that's probably uh a population w quite a little bit of disposable income for use on technology anyway , so that might be a fairly good target group for us.


I dunno I'm gonna be given any other numbers broken down in terms of age later , but if that's sort of the only quality that we have that is divided into age then we would wanna stick between the fifteen and thirty five range.

Yeah , that's probably uh a population w quite a little bit of disposable income for use on technology anyway , so that might be a fairly good target group for us.


I dunno I'm gonna be given any other numbers broken down in terms of age later , but if that's sort of the only quality that we have that is divided into age then we would wanna stick between the fifteen and thirty five range.

Yeah , that's probably uh a population w quite a little bit of disposable income for use on technology anyway , so that might be a fairly good target group for us.

Now , those are  that's all specific for speech recognition. Are we gonna use that as one of our functions ?


Yeah , that's probably uh a population w quite a little bit of disposable income for use on technology anyway , so that might be a fairly good target group for us.

Now , those are  that's all specific for speech recognition. Are we gonna use that as one of our functions ?


Now , those are  that's all specific for speech recognition. Are we gonna use that as one of our functions ?


Now , those are  that's all specific for speech recognition. Are we gonna use that as one of our functions ?

I I would say no , because it's gonna add too much to the price. Especially if we are marketing it as a separate product , people are gonna be paying


I I would say no , because it's gonna add too much to the price. Especially if we are marketing it as a separate product , people are gonna be paying


I I would say no , because it's gonna add too much to the price. Especially if we are marketing it as a separate product , people are gonna be paying

uh , well , uh we've got a price limit of  was it twelve twelve and a half Euros for  to produce it ?


uh , well , uh we've got a price limit of  was it twelve twelve and a half Euros for  to produce it ?


And I wonder if we can get voice recognition into that twelve and a half Euros without having to make too many other compromises.


And I wonder if we can get voice recognition into that twelve and a half Euros without having to make too many other compromises.

But what else are we gonna put , I mean not that I'm really gung-ho about it , I don't know what else you can put in a remote to make it technologically advanced though. So like other than just making it look good , how is it


But what else are we gonna put , I mean not that I'm really gung-ho about it , I don't know what else you can put in a remote to make it technologically advanced though. So like other than just making it look good , how is it


But what else are we gonna put , I mean not that I'm really gung-ho about it , I don't know what else you can put in a remote to make it technologically advanced though. So like other than just making it look good , how is it

I mean it can look really great and still have the same up-n-down buttons


I mean it can look really great and still have the same up-n-down buttons


I mean it can look really great and still have the same up-n-down buttons

and why's anyone gonna buy a new remote ?


I mean it can look really great and still have the same up-n-down buttons

and why's anyone gonna buy a new remote ?

Well but why are we why are we aiming for a technological advancement ? Everything we're talking about is ease of use and simple and that doesn't necessarily mean more technology ,


and why's anyone gonna buy a new remote ?

Well but why are we why are we aiming for a technological advancement ? Everything we're talking about is ease of use and simple and that doesn't necessarily mean more technology ,


Well but why are we why are we aiming for a technological advancement ? Everything we're talking about is ease of use and simple and that doesn't necessarily mean more technology ,

in fact it could use  it could mean , not. If   they might be overwhelmed with with remotes that have too many buttons and too much technology.


in fact it could use  it could mean , not. If   they might be overwhelmed with with remotes that have too many buttons and too much technology.

If someone's looking to buy a new remote , don't they want like an upgrade ? I dunno.


in fact it could use  it could mean , not. If   they might be overwhelmed with with remotes that have too many buttons and too much technology.

If someone's looking to buy a new remote , don't they want like an upgrade ? I dunno.

Upgrade ? Well , we can look for  we can look at upgrade or we can look at um user-friendly.