So , uh , as most of you should know , I did send out the consent form thingies and , uh , so far no one has made any  Ach !   any comments on them. So , no on no one has bleeped out anything.


So , uh , as most of you should know , I did send out the consent form thingies and , uh , so far no one has made any  Ach !   any comments on them. So , no on no one has bleeped out anything.

Um.  So , w what follows ? At some point y you go around and get people to sign something ?


Um.  So , w what follows ? At some point y you go around and get people to sign something ?


Um.  So , w what follows ? At some point y you go around and get people to sign something ?

and we had decided that they have  they only needed to sign once. And the agreement that they already signed simply said that we would give them an opportunity. So as long as we do that , we 're covered.


and we had decided that they have  they only needed to sign once. And the agreement that they already signed simply said that we would give them an opportunity. So as long as we do that , we 're covered.

And how long of an opportunity did you tell them ?


and we had decided that they have  they only needed to sign once. And the agreement that they already signed simply said that we would give them an opportunity. So as long as we do that , we 're covered.

And how long of an opportunity did you tell them ?

July fifteenth. Oh , so they have a plenty of time , and y


And how long of an opportunity did you tell them ?

July fifteenth. Oh , so they have a plenty of time , and y


July fifteenth. Oh , so they have a plenty of time , and y

Given that it 's that long , um , um  Why was that date chosen ? You just felt you wanted to  ?


July fifteenth. Oh , so they have a plenty of time , and y

Given that it 's that long , um , um  Why was that date chosen ? You just felt you wanted to  ?

Jane told me July fifteenth. So , that 's what I set it.


Given that it 's that long , um , um  Why was that date chosen ? You just felt you wanted to  ?

Jane told me July fifteenth. So , that 's what I set it.

Oh. I just meant that that was  the release date that you had on the  data.


Jane told me July fifteenth. So , that 's what I set it.

Oh. I just meant that that was  the release date that you had on the  data.

Oh. I  I didn't understand that there was something specific.


Oh. I just meant that that was  the release date that you had on the  data.

Oh. I  I didn't understand that there was something specific.


Oh. I  I didn't understand that there was something specific.


I had heard July fifteenth , so that 's what I put.


I had heard July fifteenth , so that 's what I put.

No , the only  th the only  mention I recall about that was just that July fifteenth or so is when  this meeting starts.


No , the only  th the only  mention I recall about that was just that July fifteenth or so is when  this meeting starts.


You said you wanted it to be available then.


You said you wanted it to be available then.

I didn't mean it to be the hard deadline.


I didn't mean it to be the hard deadline.

It 's fine with me if it is , or we cou But I thought it might be good to remind people two weeks prior to that


I didn't mean it to be the hard deadline.

It 's fine with me if it is , or we cou But I thought it might be good to remind people two weeks prior to that

in case , uh  you know , " by the way  this is your last  "


It 's fine with me if it is , or we cou But I thought it might be good to remind people two weeks prior to that

in case , uh  you know , " by the way  this is your last  "


in case , uh  you know , " by the way  this is your last  "

We probably should have talked about it , cuz i because if we wanna be able to give it to people July fifteenth , if somebody 's gonna come back and say " OK , I don't want this and this and this used " , uh , clearly we need some time to respond to that. Right ?


We probably should have talked about it , cuz i because if we wanna be able to give it to people July fifteenth , if somebody 's gonna come back and say " OK , I don't want this and this and this used " , uh , clearly we need some time to respond to that. Right ?

Yeah. As I said , we  I just got one date


Yeah. As I said , we  I just got one date


So. But I can send a follow - up. I mean , it 's almost all us. I mean the people who are in the meeti this meeting was , uh , these  the meetings that  in  are in set one.


So. But I can send a follow - up. I mean , it 's almost all us. I mean the people who are in the meeti this meeting was , uh , these  the meetings that  in  are in set one.

I just wrote you  replied to the email saying they 're all fine.


I just wrote you  replied to the email saying they 're all fine.


I just wrote you  replied to the email saying they 're all fine.

I  we don't  My understanding of what we  had agreed upon when we had spoken about this months ago was that , uh , we don't actually need a reply.


I  we don't  My understanding of what we  had agreed upon when we had spoken about this months ago was that , uh , we don't actually need a reply.


I  we don't  My understanding of what we  had agreed upon when we had spoken about this months ago was that , uh , we don't actually need a reply.

We just need to tell them that they can do it if they want.


We just need to tell them that they can do it if they want.


We just need to tell them that they can do it if they want.

And he 's got it so that the default thing you see when you look at the page is " OK ".


And he 's got it so that the default thing you see when you look at the page is " OK ".


And he 's got it so that the default thing you see when you look at the page is " OK ".

So that 's very clear all the way down the page , " OK ". And they have two options they can change it to. One of them is  " censor " , and the other one is " incorrect ". Is it  is  your word is " incorrect " ?


So that 's very clear all the way down the page , " OK ". And they have two options they can change it to. One of them is  " censor " , and the other one is " incorrect ". Is it  is  your word is " incorrect " ?

Which means also we get feedback on  if  um , there 's something that they w that needs to be  adjusted , because , I mean , these are very highly technical things. I mean , it 's an added , uh , level of checking on the accuracy of the transcription , as I see it. But in any case , people can agree to things that are wrong.


Which means also we get feedback on  if  um , there 's something that they w that needs to be  adjusted , because , I mean , these are very highly technical things. I mean , it 's an added , uh , level of checking on the accuracy of the transcription , as I see it. But in any case , people can agree to things that are wrong.


Which means also we get feedback on  if  um , there 's something that they w that needs to be  adjusted , because , I mean , these are very highly technical things. I mean , it 's an added , uh , level of checking on the accuracy of the transcription , as I see it. But in any case , people can agree to things that are wrong.

Yeah. The reason I did that it was just so that people would not censor  not ask to have stuff removed because it was transcribed incorrectly ,


Yeah. The reason I did that it was just so that people would not censor  not ask to have stuff removed because it was transcribed incorrectly ,


Yeah. The reason I did that it was just so that people would not censor  not ask to have stuff removed because it was transcribed incorrectly ,

was because it , um  it gives them the option of , uh , being able to correct it.


was because it , um  it gives them the option of , uh , being able to correct it.


was because it , um  it gives them the option of , uh , being able to correct it.

Approve it and correct it. And  um. So , you have  it nicely set up so they email you and , uh


was because it , um  it gives them the option of , uh , being able to correct it.

Approve it and correct it. And  um. So , you have  it nicely set up so they email you and , uh

When they submit the form , it gets processed and emailed to me.


Approve it and correct it. And  um. So , you have  it nicely set up so they email you and , uh

When they submit the form , it gets processed and emailed to me.

Mm - hmm. Mm - hmm. And I wanted to say the meetings that are involved in that set are Robustness and Meeting Recorder.


When they submit the form , it gets processed and emailed to me.

Mm - hmm. Mm - hmm. And I wanted to say the meetings that are involved in that set are Robustness and Meeting Recorder.

The German ones will be ready for next week. Those are three  three of those. A different set of people. And we can impose


Mm - hmm. Mm - hmm. And I wanted to say the meetings that are involved in that set are Robustness and Meeting Recorder.

The German ones will be ready for next week. Those are three  three of those. A different set of people. And we can impose


The German ones will be ready for next week. Those are three  three of those. A different set of people. And we can impose


OK. I spoke loosely. The  the German , French  Sorry , the German ,  Dutch , and Spanish ones.


I It was the network  network services group.


Otherwise known as the German , Dutch , and Spanish.


Otherwise known as the German , Dutch , and Spanish.

Yeah. Sorry. It was  it was not the best characterization.


Otherwise known as the German , Dutch , and Spanish.

Yeah. Sorry. It was  it was not the best characterization.

But what   what I meant to say was that it 's the other group that 's not  n no m no overlap with our present members. And then maybe it 'd be good to set an explicit deadline , something like  a week  before that , uh , J July fifteenth date , or two weeks before.


Yeah. Sorry. It was  it was not the best characterization.

But what   what I meant to say was that it 's the other group that 's not  n no m no overlap with our present members. And then maybe it 'd be good to set an explicit deadline , something like  a week  before that , uh , J July fifteenth date , or two weeks before.

I mean , I would suggest we discuss  I mean , if we 're going to have a policy on it , that we discuss the length of time that we want to give people ,


But what   what I meant to say was that it 's the other group that 's not  n no m no overlap with our present members. And then maybe it 'd be good to set an explicit deadline , something like  a week  before that , uh , J July fifteenth date , or two weeks before.

I mean , I would suggest we discuss  I mean , if we 're going to have a policy on it , that we discuss the length of time that we want to give people ,


But what   what I meant to say was that it 's the other group that 's not  n no m no overlap with our present members. And then maybe it 'd be good to set an explicit deadline , something like  a week  before that , uh , J July fifteenth date , or two weeks before.

I mean , I would suggest we discuss  I mean , if we 're going to have a policy on it , that we discuss the length of time that we want to give people ,

so that we have a uniform thing. So , tha that 's a month , which is fine. I mean , it seems


I mean , I would suggest we discuss  I mean , if we 're going to have a policy on it , that we discuss the length of time that we want to give people ,

so that we have a uniform thing. So , tha that 's a month , which is fine. I mean , it seems


so that we have a uniform thing. So , tha that 's a month , which is fine. I mean , it seems

Well , the only thing I said in the email is that  the data is going to be released on the fifteenth. I didn't give any other deadline.


Well , the only thing I said in the email is that  the data is going to be released on the fifteenth. I didn't give any other deadline.

So my feeling is if someone after the fifteenth says , " wow I suddenly found something " , we 'll delete it from our record. We just won't delete it from whatever 's already been released.


So my feeling is if someone after the fifteenth says , " wow I suddenly found something " , we 'll delete it from our record. We just won't delete it from whatever 's already been released.


If someone says " hey , look , I  found something in this meeting and  it 's libelous and I want it removed ". What can we do ?


If someone says " hey , look , I  found something in this meeting and  it 's libelous and I want it removed ". What can we do ?

I  I agree with that part , but I think that it would  it , uh  we need to have , uh , a  a  a message to them very clearly that  beyond this date , you can't make additional changes.


I  I agree with that part , but I think that it would  it , uh  we need to have , uh , a  a  a message to them very clearly that  beyond this date , you can't make additional changes.

I mean , um , I  I   i I think that somebody might  request something even though we say that. But I think it 's good to at least start some place like that.


I  I agree with that part , but I think that it would  it , uh  we need to have , uh , a  a  a message to them very clearly that  beyond this date , you can't make additional changes.

I mean , um , I  I   i I think that somebody might  request something even though we say that. But I think it 's good to at least start some place like that.

So if we agreed ,  OK , how long is a reasonable amount of time for people to have  if we say two weeks , or if we say a month , I think we should just say that  say that , you know , i a as  um ,  " per the  the  the , uh , page you signed , you have the ability to look over this stuff " and so forth " and , uh , because we w " these , uh  I would  I would imagine some sort of generic thing that would say " because we , uh , will continually be making these things available  to other researchers , uh , this can't be open - ended and so , uh , uh , please give us back your response within this am you know , within this amount of time " , whatever time we agree upon.


I mean , um , I  I   i I think that somebody might  request something even though we say that. But I think it 's good to at least start some place like that.

So if we agreed ,  OK , how long is a reasonable amount of time for people to have  if we say two weeks , or if we say a month , I think we should just say that  say that , you know , i a as  um ,  " per the  the  the , uh , page you signed , you have the ability to look over this stuff " and so forth " and , uh , because we w " these , uh  I would  I would imagine some sort of generic thing that would say " because we , uh , will continually be making these things available  to other researchers , uh , this can't be open - ended and so , uh , uh , please give us back your response within this am you know , within this amount of time " , whatever time we agree upon.

Well , did you read the email and look at the pages I sent ?


So if we agreed ,  OK , how long is a reasonable amount of time for people to have  if we say two weeks , or if we say a month , I think we should just say that  say that , you know , i a as  um ,  " per the  the  the , uh , page you signed , you have the ability to look over this stuff " and so forth " and , uh , because we w " these , uh  I would  I would imagine some sort of generic thing that would say " because we , uh , will continually be making these things available  to other researchers , uh , this can't be open - ended and so , uh , uh , please give us back your response within this am you know , within this amount of time " , whatever time we agree upon.

Well , did you read the email and look at the pages I sent ?


So if we agreed ,  OK , how long is a reasonable amount of time for people to have  if we say two weeks , or if we say a month , I think we should just say that  say that , you know , i a as  um ,  " per the  the  the , uh , page you signed , you have the ability to look over this stuff " and so forth " and , uh , because we w " these , uh  I would  I would imagine some sort of generic thing that would say " because we , uh , will continually be making these things available  to other researchers , uh , this can't be open - ended and so , uh , uh , please give us back your response within this am you know , within this amount of time " , whatever time we agree upon.

Well , did you read the email and look at the pages I sent ?

No. OK , well why don't you do that and then make comments on what you want me to change ?


Well , did you read the email and look at the pages I sent ?

No. OK , well why don't you do that and then make comments on what you want me to change ?

No , no. I 'm not saying that you should change anything. I I 'm  what I 'm  what I 'm   I 'm trying to spark a discussion hopefully among people who have read it so that  that you can   you can , uh , decide on something.


No. OK , well why don't you do that and then make comments on what you want me to change ?

No , no. I 'm not saying that you should change anything. I I 'm  what I 'm  what I 'm   I 'm trying to spark a discussion hopefully among people who have read it so that  that you can   you can , uh , decide on something.


No , no. I 'm not saying that you should change anything. I I 'm  what I 'm  what I 'm   I 'm trying to spark a discussion hopefully among people who have read it so that  that you can   you can , uh , decide on something.


I 'm just saying you should decide something ,


I 'm just saying you should decide something ,

I already did decide something , and that 's what 's in the email.


I already did decide something , and that 's what 's in the email.


I already did decide something , and that 's what 's in the email.

And if you disagree with it , why don't you read it and give me comments on it ?


I already did decide something , and that 's what 's in the email.

And if you disagree with it , why don't you read it and give me comments on it ?

Yeah. Well  I  I think that there 's one missing line.


And if you disagree with it , why don't you read it and give me comments on it ?

Yeah. Well  I  I think that there 's one missing line.

Well , the one thing that I did read and that you just repeated to me  was that you gave the specific date of July fifteenth.


Yeah. Well  I  I think that there 's one missing line.

Well , the one thing that I did read and that you just repeated to me  was that you gave the specific date of July fifteenth.

And you also just said that the reason you said that was because someone said it to you. So what I 'm telling you  is that what you should do is come up with a length of time that you guys think is enough


Well , the one thing that I did read and that you just repeated to me  was that you gave the specific date of July fifteenth.

And you also just said that the reason you said that was because someone said it to you. So what I 'm telling you  is that what you should do is come up with a length of time that you guys think is enough


And you also just said that the reason you said that was because someone said it to you. So what I 'm telling you  is that what you should do is come up with a length of time that you guys think is enough

and you should use that rather than  this date that you just got from somewhere. That 's all I 'm saying.


and you should use that rather than  this date that you just got from somewhere. That 's all I 'm saying.


and you should use that rather than  this date that you just got from somewhere. That 's all I 'm saying.

I ha I have one question. This is in the summer period and presumably people may be out of town. But we can make the assumption , can't we ? that , um , they will be receiving email , uh , most of the month. Right ? Because if someone


I ha I have one question. This is in the summer period and presumably people may be out of town. But we can make the assumption , can't we ? that , um , they will be receiving email , uh , most of the month. Right ? Because if someone

It  well , it  well , you 're right. Sometimes somebody will be  away and , uh , you know , there 's , uh  for any length of time that you  uh , choose  there is some person sometime who will not  end up reading it.


I ha I have one question. This is in the summer period and presumably people may be out of town. But we can make the assumption , can't we ? that , um , they will be receiving email , uh , most of the month. Right ? Because if someone

It  well , it  well , you 're right. Sometimes somebody will be  away and , uh , you know , there 's , uh  for any length of time that you  uh , choose  there is some person sometime who will not  end up reading it.

That 's  it 's , you know , just a certain risk to take.


It  well , it  well , you 're right. Sometimes somebody will be  away and , uh , you know , there 's , uh  for any length of time that you  uh , choose  there is some person sometime who will not  end up reading it.

That 's  it 's , you know , just a certain risk to take.


That 's  it 's , you know , just a certain risk to take.


Oh , OK. Alright. So. The , um  Maybe we should say in  w you know , when the whole thing starts , when they sign the   the agreement  that  you know , specify exactly uh , what , you know , how  how they will be contacted and they can , you know  they can be asked to give a phone number and an email address , or both. And , um , then


So.  A And , then , you know , say very clearly that if they don't  if we don't hear from them , you know , as Morgan suggested , by a certain time or after a certain  period after we contact them  that is implicitly giving their agreement.


So.  A And , then , you know , say very clearly that if they don't  if we don't hear from them , you know , as Morgan suggested , by a certain time or after a certain  period after we contact them  that is implicitly giving their agreement.

And nobody  nobody really reads it anyway.


And nobody  nobody really reads it anyway.


And nobody  nobody really reads it anyway.

So. And the s and the form was approved by Human Subjects ,


So. And the s and the form was approved by Human Subjects ,


So. And the s and the form was approved by Human Subjects ,

Well , if that 's i tha if that 's already  if


Well , if that 's i tha if that 's already  if

so , eh , that 's gonna be a little hard to modify.


Well , if that 's i tha if that 's already  if

so , eh , that 's gonna be a little hard to modify.

Well , the form  Well , the form doesn't say , if  uh , you know , " if you don't respond by X number of days or X number of weeks  "


Well , if that 's i tha if that 's already  if

so , eh , that 's gonna be a little hard to modify.

Well , the form  Well , the form doesn't say , if  uh , you know , " if you don't respond by X number of days or X number of weeks  "

I see. Uh  Oh , OK. So what does it say about the  the  the process of  of , uh   y the review process ?


so , eh , that 's gonna be a little hard to modify.

Well , the form  Well , the form doesn't say , if  uh , you know , " if you don't respond by X number of days or X number of weeks  "

I see. Uh  Oh , OK. So what does it say about the  the  the process of  of , uh   y the review process ?

It doesn't have a time limit. That you 'll be provided access to the transcripts and then , uh , allowed to  remove things that you 'd like to remove , before it goes to the general  uh , larger audience.


Well , the form  Well , the form doesn't say , if  uh , you know , " if you don't respond by X number of days or X number of weeks  "

I see. Uh  Oh , OK. So what does it say about the  the  the process of  of , uh   y the review process ?

It doesn't have a time limit. That you 'll be provided access to the transcripts and then , uh , allowed to  remove things that you 'd like to remove , before it goes to the general  uh , larger audience.


I see. Uh  Oh , OK. So what does it say about the  the  the process of  of , uh   y the review process ?

It doesn't have a time limit. That you 'll be provided access to the transcripts and then , uh , allowed to  remove things that you 'd like to remove , before it goes to the general  uh , larger audience.


It doesn't have a time limit. That you 'll be provided access to the transcripts and then , uh , allowed to  remove things that you 'd like to remove , before it goes to the general  uh , larger audience.


I 'm not as diligent as Chuck , but I had the feeling I should probably respond and tell Adam , like , " I got this and I will do it by this date , and if you don't hear from me by then  " You know , in other words responding to your email  once , right away , saying " as soon as you get this could you please respond. "


I 'm not as diligent as Chuck , but I had the feeling I should probably respond and tell Adam , like , " I got this and I will do it by this date , and if you don't hear from me by then  " You know , in other words responding to your email  once , right away , saying " as soon as you get this could you please respond. "

And then if you  if the person thinks they 'll need more time because they 're out of town or whatever , they can tell you at that point ? Because


I 'm not as diligent as Chuck , but I had the feeling I should probably respond and tell Adam , like , " I got this and I will do it by this date , and if you don't hear from me by then  " You know , in other words responding to your email  once , right away , saying " as soon as you get this could you please respond. "

And then if you  if the person thinks they 'll need more time because they 're out of town or whatever , they can tell you at that point ? Because

Oh , I just  I didn't wanna do that , because I don't wanna have a discussion with every person  if I can avoid it.


And then if you  if the person thinks they 'll need more time because they 're out of town or whatever , they can tell you at that point ? Because

Oh , I just  I didn't wanna do that , because I don't wanna have a discussion with every person  if I can avoid it.


And then if you  if the person thinks they 'll need more time because they 're out of town or whatever , they can tell you at that point ? Because

Oh , I just  I didn't wanna do that , because I don't wanna have a discussion with every person  if I can avoid it.

So what I wanted to do was just send it out and say " on the fifteenth , the data is released ,


Oh , I just  I didn't wanna do that , because I don't wanna have a discussion with every person  if I can avoid it.

So what I wanted to do was just send it out and say " on the fifteenth , the data is released ,


So what I wanted to do was just send it out and say " on the fifteenth , the data is released ,

if you wanna do something about it , do something about it , but that 's it ".


if you wanna do something about it , do something about it , but that 's it ".


Well , that 's  that would be great if  but you should probably have a  legal person look at this and  make sure it 's OK. Because if you  if you , uh , do this  and you  then there 's a dispute later and , uh , some   you know , someone who understands these matters concludes that they didn't have , uh , you know , enough opportunity to actually  exercise their  their right


Well , that 's  that would be great if  but you should probably have a  legal person look at this and  make sure it 's OK. Because if you  if you , uh , do this  and you  then there 's a dispute later and , uh , some   you know , someone who understands these matters concludes that they didn't have , uh , you know , enough opportunity to actually  exercise their  their right

Or they  they might never have gotten the email , because although they signed this , they don't know by which date to expect your email. And so  someone whose machine is down or whatever  I mean , we have no


Well , that 's  that would be great if  but you should probably have a  legal person look at this and  make sure it 's OK. Because if you  if you , uh , do this  and you  then there 's a dispute later and , uh , some   you know , someone who understands these matters concludes that they didn't have , uh , you know , enough opportunity to actually  exercise their  their right

Or they  they might never have gotten the email , because although they signed this , they don't know by which date to expect your email. And so  someone whose machine is down or whatever  I mean , we have no

in internally we know that people are there ,


Or they  they might never have gotten the email , because although they signed this , they don't know by which date to expect your email. And so  someone whose machine is down or whatever  I mean , we have no

in internally we know that people are there ,

Well , OK. l Let me  Let me reverse this.


in internally we know that people are there ,

Well , OK. l Let me  Let me reverse this.

but we have no confirmation that they got the mail.


in internally we know that people are there ,

Well , OK. l Let me  Let me reverse this.

but we have no confirmation that they got the mail.

So let 's say someone  I send this out , and someone doesn't respond. Do we delete every meeting that they were in ?


Well , OK. l Let me  Let me reverse this.

but we have no confirmation that they got the mail.

So let 's say someone  I send this out , and someone doesn't respond. Do we delete every meeting that they were in ?


but we have no confirmation that they got the mail.

So let 's say someone  I send this out , and someone doesn't respond. Do we delete every meeting that they were in ?


So let 's say someone  I send this out , and someone doesn't respond. Do we delete every meeting that they were in ?


but that 's why there 's such a thing as registered mail


That will absolutely happen. Because people don't read their email , or they 'll read and say " I don't care about that , I 'm not gonna delete anything " and they don just won't reply to it.


That will absolutely happen. Because people don't read their email , or they 'll read and say " I don't care about that , I 'm not gonna delete anything " and they don just won't reply to it.

Maybe  uh , do we have mailing addresses for these people ?


That will absolutely happen. Because people don't read their email , or they 'll read and say " I don't care about that , I 'm not gonna delete anything " and they don just won't reply to it.

Maybe  uh , do we have mailing addresses for these people ?

No. We have what they put on the speaker form ,


Maybe  uh , do we have mailing addresses for these people ?

No. We have what they put on the speaker form ,


No. We have what they put on the speaker form ,

which was just generic contact information.


which was just generic contact information.


which was just generic contact information.

But the ones that we 're dealing with now are all local ,


But the ones that we 're dealing with now are all local ,

except the ones who  I mean , we  we 're totally in contact with all the ones in those two groups.


except the ones who  I mean , we  we 're totally in contact with all the ones in those two groups.

So maybe , uh , I  you know , that 's not that many people and if I  if , uh  i i there is an advantage to having them admit  and if I can help with  with processing that , I will. It 's  it 's  there is an advantage to having them be on record as having received the mail and indicating


except the ones who  I mean , we  we 're totally in contact with all the ones in those two groups.

So maybe , uh , I  you know , that 's not that many people and if I  if , uh  i i there is an advantage to having them admit  and if I can help with  with processing that , I will. It 's  it 's  there is an advantage to having them be on record as having received the mail and indicating

Yeah. I mean I thought we had discussed this , like , a year ago.


So maybe , uh , I  you know , that 's not that many people and if I  if , uh  i i there is an advantage to having them admit  and if I can help with  with processing that , I will. It 's  it 's  there is an advantage to having them be on record as having received the mail and indicating

Yeah. I mean I thought we had discussed this , like , a year ago.


So maybe , uh , I  you know , that 's not that many people and if I  if , uh  i i there is an advantage to having them admit  and if I can help with  with processing that , I will. It 's  it 's  there is an advantage to having them be on record as having received the mail and indicating

Yeah. I mean I thought we had discussed this , like , a year ago.

And so it seems like this is a little odd for it to be coming up yet again.


Yeah. I mean I thought we had discussed this , like , a year ago.

And so it seems like this is a little odd for it to be coming up yet again.

You 're right. Well , I  you know. But sometimes


And so it seems like this is a little odd for it to be coming up yet again.

You 're right. Well , I  you know. But sometimes

Well , we  we haven't experienced it before.


You 're right. Well , I  you know. But sometimes

Well , we  we haven't experienced it before.


Well , we  we haven't experienced it before.


You 'll either wonder  at the beginning or you 'll wonder at the end.


You 'll either wonder  at the beginning or you 'll wonder at the end.

I mean , there 's no way to get around  I It 's pretty much the same am amount of work except for an additional email just saying they got the email.


I mean , there 's no way to get around  I It 's pretty much the same am amount of work except for an additional email just saying they got the email.

And maybe it 's better legally to wonder before  you know , a little bit earlier than


And maybe it 's better legally to wonder before  you know , a little bit earlier than


Morgan , can you talk to our lawyer about it , and find out what the status is on this ? Cuz I don't wanna do something that we don't need to.


Morgan , can you talk to our lawyer about it , and find out what the status is on this ? Cuz I don't wanna do something that we don't need to.

Because what  I 'm telling you , people won't respond to the email. No matter what you do , you there 're gonna be people who  you 're gonna have to make a lot of effort to get in contact with.


Because what  I 'm telling you , people won't respond to the email. No matter what you do , you there 're gonna be people who  you 're gonna have to make a lot of effort to get in contact with.


It 's kind of like signing up for a mailing list. They have opt in and opt out. And there are two different ways. I mean , and either way works probably , I mean.


It 's kind of like signing up for a mailing list. They have opt in and opt out. And there are two different ways. I mean , and either way works probably , I mean.

Except I really think in this case  I  I 'm agr I agree with Liz , that we need to be  in the clear and not have to after the fact say " oh , but I assumed " , and " oh , I 'm sorry that your email address was just accumulating mail without notifying you " , you know.


It 's kind of like signing up for a mailing list. They have opt in and opt out. And there are two different ways. I mean , and either way works probably , I mean.

Except I really think in this case  I  I 'm agr I agree with Liz , that we need to be  in the clear and not have to after the fact say " oh , but I assumed " , and " oh , I 'm sorry that your email address was just accumulating mail without notifying you " , you know.

If this is a purely administrative task , we can actually have administration do it.


Except I really think in this case  I  I 'm agr I agree with Liz , that we need to be  in the clear and not have to after the fact say " oh , but I assumed " , and " oh , I 'm sorry that your email address was just accumulating mail without notifying you " , you know.

If this is a purely administrative task , we can actually have administration do it.

But the thing is that , you know , I  I  I think , without going through a whole expensive thing with our lawyers ,  from my previous conversations with them , my  my sense very  much is that we would want something on record  as indicating that they actually were aware of this.


If this is a purely administrative task , we can actually have administration do it.

But the thing is that , you know , I  I  I think , without going through a whole expensive thing with our lawyers ,  from my previous conversations with them , my  my sense very  much is that we would want something on record  as indicating that they actually were aware of this.


But the thing is that , you know , I  I  I think , without going through a whole expensive thing with our lawyers ,  from my previous conversations with them , my  my sense very  much is that we would want something on record  as indicating that they actually were aware of this.


and I thought that we had even gone by the lawyers asking about that and they said you have to s they 've already signed away the f with that form  that they 've already signed once.


and I thought that we had even gone by the lawyers asking about that and they said you have to s they 've already signed away the f with that form  that they 've already signed once.

I don't remember that this issue of  the time period allowed for response was ever covered.


and I thought that we had even gone by the lawyers asking about that and they said you have to s they 've already signed away the f with that form  that they 've already signed once.

I don't remember that this issue of  the time period allowed for response was ever covered.

Yeah. We never really talked about that.


I don't remember that this issue of  the time period allowed for response was ever covered.

Yeah. We never really talked about that.


Yeah. We never really talked about that.

Or the date at which they would be receiving the email from you.


Or the date at which they would be receiving the email from you.


We certainly didn't talk , uh , about  with them at all about , uh , the manner of them being   made the , uh , uh , materials available.


We certainly didn't talk , uh , about  with them at all about , uh , the manner of them being   made the , uh , uh , materials available.

That was something that was sort of just within our implementation.


That was something that was sort of just within our implementation.


That was something that was sort of just within our implementation.

We can use it  we can use a  a ploy like they use to , um  you know , that when they serve , like  uh , uh , uh   uh , you know , like dead - beat dads , they  they  they make it look like they won something in the lottery and then they open the envelope


We can use it  we can use a  a ploy like they use to , um  you know , that when they serve , like  uh , uh , uh   uh , you know , like dead - beat dads , they  they  they make it look like they won something in the lottery and then they open the envelope

and that  Right ? Because  and then the  the  the  the thing is served. So you just make it , you know , " oh , you won  you know , go to this web site and you 've , uh  you 're  "


We can use it  we can use a  a ploy like they use to , um  you know , that when they serve , like  uh , uh , uh   uh , you know , like dead - beat dads , they  they  they make it look like they won something in the lottery and then they open the envelope

and that  Right ? Because  and then the  the  the  the thing is served. So you just make it , you know , " oh , you won  you know , go to this web site and you 've , uh  you 're  "

That 's why you never open these things that come in the mail.


and that  Right ? Because  and then the  the  the  the thing is served. So you just make it , you know , " oh , you won  you know , go to this web site and you 've , uh  you 're  "

That 's why you never open these things that come in the mail.


That 's why you never open these things that come in the mail.

Well , it 's just , we 've gone from one extreme to the other , where at one point , a few months ago , Morgan was  you were saying let 's not do anything ,


Well , it 's just , we 've gone from one extreme to the other , where at one point , a few months ago , Morgan was  you were saying let 's not do anything ,


and now we 're  we 're saying we have to follow up each person and get a signature ?


and now we 're  we 're saying we have to follow up each person and get a signature ?

It might well be the case that  that this is perfectly  you know , this is enough to give us a basis t to just , eh , assume their consent if they don't reply.


It might well be the case that  that this is perfectly  you know , this is enough to give us a basis t to just , eh , assume their consent if they don't reply.


It might well be the case that  that this is perfectly  you know , this is enough to give us a basis t to just , eh , assume their consent if they don't reply.

But , I 'm not  you know , me not being a lawyer , I wouldn't just wanna do that without  having the  the expert , uh , opinion on that.


But , I 'm not  you know , me not being a lawyer , I wouldn't just wanna do that without  having the  the expert , uh , opinion on that.

And how many people ? Al - altogether we 've got twenty people. These people are people who read their email almost all the time.


But , I 'm not  you know , me not being a lawyer , I wouldn't just wanna do that without  having the  the expert , uh , opinion on that.

And how many people ? Al - altogether we 've got twenty people. These people are people who read their email almost all the time.

Then I think we had better find out , so that we can find a


And how many people ? Al - altogether we 've got twenty people. These people are people who read their email almost all the time.

Then I think we had better find out , so that we can find a


Then I think we had better find out , so that we can find a


I  I really don't see that it 's a problem. I  I think that it 's a common courtesy to ask them  uh , to expect for them to , uh , be able to have @ @  us try to contact them ,


I  I really don't see that it 's a problem. I  I think that it 's a common courtesy to ask them  uh , to expect for them to , uh , be able to have @ @  us try to contact them ,

u just in case they hadn't gotten their email. I think they 'd appreciate it.


I  I really don't see that it 's a problem. I  I think that it 's a common courtesy to ask them  uh , to expect for them to , uh , be able to have @ @  us try to contact them ,

u just in case they hadn't gotten their email. I think they 'd appreciate it.

Yeah. My  Adam , my  my view before was about  the nature of what was  of the presentation ,


u just in case they hadn't gotten their email. I think they 'd appreciate it.

Yeah. My  Adam , my  my view before was about  the nature of what was  of the presentation ,


u just in case they hadn't gotten their email. I think they 'd appreciate it.

Yeah. My  Adam , my  my view before was about  the nature of what was  of the presentation ,

of  of how  my  my  the things that we 're questioning were along the lines of how easy  uh , h how m how much implication would there be that it 's likely you 're going to be changing something , as opposed to


Yeah. My  Adam , my  my view before was about  the nature of what was  of the presentation ,

of  of how  my  my  the things that we 're questioning were along the lines of how easy  uh , h how m how much implication would there be that it 's likely you 're going to be changing something , as opposed to


of  of how  my  my  the things that we 're questioning were along the lines of how easy  uh , h how m how much implication would there be that it 's likely you 're going to be changing something , as opposed to

That was the kind of dispute I was making before.


That was the kind of dispute I was making before.

But , um , the attorneys , I  uh , I can guarantee you , the attorneys will always come back with  and we have to decide how stringent we want to be in these things , but they will always come back with saying  that , um , you need to  you want to have someth some paper trail or  which includes electronic trail   that they have , uh , in fact  O K 'd it.


But , um , the attorneys , I  uh , I can guarantee you , the attorneys will always come back with  and we have to decide how stringent we want to be in these things , but they will always come back with saying  that , um , you need to  you want to have someth some paper trail or  which includes electronic trail   that they have , uh , in fact  O K 'd it.

So , um , I think that if you f i if  we send the email as you have and if there 's half the people , say , who don't respond  at all by , you know , some period of time ,  we can just make a list of these people and hand it to , uh  you know , just give it to me and I 'll hand it to administrative staff or whatever ,


So , um , I think that if you f i if  we send the email as you have and if there 's half the people , say , who don't respond  at all by , you know , some period of time ,  we can just make a list of these people and hand it to , uh  you know , just give it to me and I 'll hand it to administrative staff or whatever ,

and they 'll just call them up and say , you know , " have you  Is  is this OK ? And would you please mail  you know , mail Adam that it is , if i if it , you know , is or not. " So , you know , we can  we can do that.


So , um , I think that if you f i if  we send the email as you have and if there 's half the people , say , who don't respond  at all by , you know , some period of time ,  we can just make a list of these people and hand it to , uh  you know , just give it to me and I 'll hand it to administrative staff or whatever ,

and they 'll just call them up and say , you know , " have you  Is  is this OK ? And would you please mail  you know , mail Adam that it is , if i if it , you know , is or not. " So , you know , we can  we can do that.

The other thing that there 's a psychological effect that  at least for most people , that if they 've responded to your email saying " yes , I will do it " or " yes , I got your email " , they 're more likely to actually do it   later  than to just ignore it.


and they 'll just call them up and say , you know , " have you  Is  is this OK ? And would you please mail  you know , mail Adam that it is , if i if it , you know , is or not. " So , you know , we can  we can do that.

The other thing that there 's a psychological effect that  at least for most people , that if they 've responded to your email saying " yes , I will do it " or " yes , I got your email " , they 're more likely to actually do it   later  than to just ignore it.


and they 'll just call them up and say , you know , " have you  Is  is this OK ? And would you please mail  you know , mail Adam that it is , if i if it , you know , is or not. " So , you know , we can  we can do that.

The other thing that there 's a psychological effect that  at least for most people , that if they 've responded to your email saying " yes , I will do it " or " yes , I got your email " , they 're more likely to actually do it   later  than to just ignore it.

And of course we don't want them to bleep things out , but it  it 's a little bit better if we 're getting the  their , uh , final response , once they 've answered you once than if they never answer you 'd  at al at all. That 's how these mailing houses work. So , I mean , it 's not completely lost work because it might benefit us in terms of getting  responses.


The other thing that there 's a psychological effect that  at least for most people , that if they 've responded to your email saying " yes , I will do it " or " yes , I got your email " , they 're more likely to actually do it   later  than to just ignore it.

And of course we don't want them to bleep things out , but it  it 's a little bit better if we 're getting the  their , uh , final response , once they 've answered you once than if they never answer you 'd  at al at all. That 's how these mailing houses work. So , I mean , it 's not completely lost work because it might benefit us in terms of getting  responses.


And of course we don't want them to bleep things out , but it  it 's a little bit better if we 're getting the  their , uh , final response , once they 've answered you once than if they never answer you 'd  at al at all. That 's how these mailing houses work. So , I mean , it 's not completely lost work because it might benefit us in terms of getting  responses.

You know , an official OK from somebody  is better than no answer , even if they responded that they got your email. And they 're probably more likely to do that once they 've responded that they got the email.


And of course we don't want them to bleep things out , but it  it 's a little bit better if we 're getting the  their , uh , final response , once they 've answered you once than if they never answer you 'd  at al at all. That 's how these mailing houses work. So , I mean , it 's not completely lost work because it might benefit us in terms of getting  responses.

You know , an official OK from somebody  is better than no answer , even if they responded that they got your email. And they 're probably more likely to do that once they 've responded that they got the email.

I also think they 'd just simply appreciate it. I think it 's a good  a good way of  of fostering goodwill among our subjects. Well , our participants.


You know , an official OK from somebody  is better than no answer , even if they responded that they got your email. And they 're probably more likely to do that once they 've responded that they got the email.

I also think they 'd just simply appreciate it. I think it 's a good  a good way of  of fostering goodwill among our subjects. Well , our participants.

I think the main thing is  I mean , what lawyers do is they always look at worst cases.


I also think they 'd just simply appreciate it. I think it 's a good  a good way of  of fostering goodwill among our subjects. Well , our participants.

I think the main thing is  I mean , what lawyers do is they always look at worst cases.

So they s so  so  Tha - that 's what they 're paid to do.


I think the main thing is  I mean , what lawyers do is they always look at worst cases.

So they s so  so  Tha - that 's what they 're paid to do.


So they s so  so  Tha - that 's what they 're paid to do.

And so ,  it is certainly possible that , uh , somebody 's server would be down or something and they wouldn't actually hear from us , and then they find this thing is in there and we 've already distributed it to someone. So ,  what it says in there , in fact , is that they will be given an opportunity to blah - blah - blah ,


And so ,  it is certainly possible that , uh , somebody 's server would be down or something and they wouldn't actually hear from us , and then they find this thing is in there and we 've already distributed it to someone. So ,  what it says in there , in fact , is that they will be given an opportunity to blah - blah - blah ,

but if in fact  if we sent them something or we thought we sent them something but they didn't actually receive it for some reason ,  um , then we haven't given them that.


And so ,  it is certainly possible that , uh , somebody 's server would be down or something and they wouldn't actually hear from us , and then they find this thing is in there and we 've already distributed it to someone. So ,  what it says in there , in fact , is that they will be given an opportunity to blah - blah - blah ,

but if in fact  if we sent them something or we thought we sent them something but they didn't actually receive it for some reason ,  um , then we haven't given them that.

Well , so how far do we have to go ? Do we need to get someone 's signature ? Or , is email enough ?


but if in fact  if we sent them something or we thought we sent them something but they didn't actually receive it for some reason ,  um , then we haven't given them that.

Well , so how far do we have to go ? Do we need to get someone 's signature ? Or , is email enough ?


but if in fact  if we sent them something or we thought we sent them something but they didn't actually receive it for some reason ,  um , then we haven't given them that.

Well , so how far do we have to go ? Do we need to get someone 's signature ? Or , is email enough ?

Do we have to have it notarized ? I mean  OK.


Well , so how far do we have to go ? Do we need to get someone 's signature ? Or , is email enough ?

Do we have to have it notarized ? I mean  OK.

Yeah. I mean , I 've been through this  I mean , I 'm not a lawyer , but I 've been through these things a f things f like this a few times with lawyers now


Do we have to have it notarized ? I mean  OK.

Yeah. I mean , I 've been through this  I mean , I 'm not a lawyer , but I 've been through these things a f things f like this a few times with lawyers now


Do we have to have it notarized ? I mean  OK.

Yeah. I mean , I 've been through this  I mean , I 'm not a lawyer , but I 've been through these things a f things f like this a few times with lawyers now

so I  I  I I 'm pretty comfortable with that.


Yeah. I mean , I 've been through this  I mean , I 'm not a lawyer , but I 've been through these things a f things f like this a few times with lawyers now

so I  I  I I 'm pretty comfortable with that.

Do you track , um , when people log in to look at the  ?


so I  I  I I 'm pretty comfortable with that.

Do you track , um , when people log in to look at the  ?


Do you track , um , when people log in to look at the  ?

If they don't submit the form , it goes in the general web log. But that 's not sufficient.


If they don't submit the form , it goes in the general web log. But that 's not sufficient.


If they don't submit the form , it goes in the general web log. But that 's not sufficient.

Right ? Cuz if someone just visits the web site that doesn't  imply anything in particular.


Right ? Cuz if someone just visits the web site that doesn't  imply anything in particular.


I  I could get you on the notify list if you want me to.


So again , hopefully , um , this shouldn't be quite as odious a problem either way , uh , in any of the extremes we 've talked about because  uh , we 're talking a pretty small  number of people.


So again , hopefully , um , this shouldn't be quite as odious a problem either way , uh , in any of the extremes we 've talked about because  uh , we 're talking a pretty small  number of people.

W For this set , I 'm not worried , because  we basically know everyone on it.


W For this set , I 'm not worried , because  we basically know everyone on it.


You know , they 're all more or less here or it 's  it 's Eric and Dan and so on. But for some of the others , you 're talking about visitors who are  gone from ICSI , whose email addresses may or may not work ,


and  So what are we gonna do when we run into someone that we can't get in touch with ?


and  So what are we gonna do when we run into someone that we can't get in touch with ?

I don't think , uh  They 're so recent , these visitors.


I don't think , uh  They 're so recent , these visitors.


They 're prominent enough that they 're easy to find through  I  I mean , I  I w I 'll be able to  if you have any trouble finding them , I really think I could find them.


They 're prominent enough that they 're easy to find through  I  I mean , I  I w I 'll be able to  if you have any trouble finding them , I really think I could find them.

Yeah. Cuz it  what it  what it really does promise here is that we will ask their permission. Um , and I think , you know , if you go into a room and close the door and  and ask their permission  and they 're not there , it doesn't seem  that that 's the intent of , uh , meaning here. So.


They 're prominent enough that they 're easy to find through  I  I mean , I  I w I 'll be able to  if you have any trouble finding them , I really think I could find them.

Yeah. Cuz it  what it  what it really does promise here is that we will ask their permission. Um , and I think , you know , if you go into a room and close the door and  and ask their permission  and they 're not there , it doesn't seem  that that 's the intent of , uh , meaning here. So.

Well , the qu the question is just whether  how active it has to be. I mean , because they  they filled out a contact information and that 's where I 'm sending the information.


Yeah. Cuz it  what it  what it really does promise here is that we will ask their permission. Um , and I think , you know , if you go into a room and close the door and  and ask their permission  and they 're not there , it doesn't seem  that that 's the intent of , uh , meaning here. So.

Well , the qu the question is just whether  how active it has to be. I mean , because they  they filled out a contact information and that 's where I 'm sending the information.


Yeah. Cuz it  what it  what it really does promise here is that we will ask their permission. Um , and I think , you know , if you go into a room and close the door and  and ask their permission  and they 're not there , it doesn't seem  that that 's the intent of , uh , meaning here. So.

Well , the qu the question is just whether  how active it has to be. I mean , because they  they filled out a contact information and that 's where I 'm sending the information.

And so far everyone has done email. There isn't anyone who did , uh , any other contact method.


Well , the qu the question is just whether  how active it has to be. I mean , because they  they filled out a contact information and that 's where I 'm sending the information.

And so far everyone has done email. There isn't anyone who did , uh , any other contact method.

Well , the way ICSI goes , people , uh , who , uh , were here ten years ago still have acc  have forwards to other accounts and so on.


And so far everyone has done email. There isn't anyone who did , uh , any other contact method.

Well , the way ICSI goes , people , uh , who , uh , were here ten years ago still have acc  have forwards to other accounts and so on.


Well , the way ICSI goes , people , uh , who , uh , were here ten years ago still have acc  have forwards to other accounts and so on.

So my original impression was that that was sufficient , that if they give us contact information and that contact information isn't accurate that  we fulfilled our burden.


So my original impression was that that was sufficient , that if they give us contact information and that contact information isn't accurate that  we fulfilled our burden.


So if we get to a boundary case like that then maybe I will call the attorney about it.


So if we get to a boundary case like that then maybe I will call the attorney about it.

But , you know , hopefully we won't need to.


But , you know , hopefully we won't need to.

I d I just don't think we will. For all the reasons that we 've discussed.


I d I just don't think we will. For all the reasons that we 've discussed.

Yep. And we 'll see how many people respond to that email.


Yep. And we 'll see how many people respond to that email.


and  and  and , you know , people  people see long emails about things that they don't think  is gonna be high priority , they typically , uh , don't  don't read it , or half read it.


um , I  I  didn't anticipate this so I  that 's why I didn't give this comment , and it  I  this discussion has made me think it might be nice to have a follow - up email within the next couple of days saying " by the way , you know , we wanna hear back from you by X date and please  " , and then add what Liz said  " please , uh , respond to  please indicate you received this mail. "


um , I  I  didn't anticipate this so I  that 's why I didn't give this comment , and it  I  this discussion has made me think it might be nice to have a follow - up email within the next couple of days saying " by the way , you know , we wanna hear back from you by X date and please  " , and then add what Liz said  " please , uh , respond to  please indicate you received this mail. "

Uh , or e well , maybe even additionally , uh , um , " Even if you 've decided you have no changes you 'd like to make , if you could tell us that ".


um , I  I  didn't anticipate this so I  that 's why I didn't give this comment , and it  I  this discussion has made me think it might be nice to have a follow - up email within the next couple of days saying " by the way , you know , we wanna hear back from you by X date and please  " , and then add what Liz said  " please , uh , respond to  please indicate you received this mail. "

Uh , or e well , maybe even additionally , uh , um , " Even if you 've decided you have no changes you 'd like to make , if you could tell us that ".

Mm - hmm. It is the first time through the cycle.


Uh , or e well , maybe even additionally , uh , um , " Even if you 've decided you have no changes you 'd like to make , if you could tell us that ".

Mm - hmm. It is the first time through the cycle.


Mm - hmm. It is the first time through the cycle.

Right. That would  that would definitely work on me. You know , it makes you feel m like , um , if you were gonna p if you 're predicting that you might not answer , you have a chance now to say that. Whereas , I  I mean , I would be much more likely myself ,


Right. That would  that would definitely work on me. You know , it makes you feel m like , um , if you were gonna p if you 're predicting that you might not answer , you have a chance now to say that. Whereas , I  I mean , I would be much more likely myself ,

given all my email , t to respond at that point , saying " you know what , I 'm probably not gonna get to it " or whatever , rather than just having seen the email , thinking I might get to it , and never really ,  uh , pushing myself to actually do it until it 's too late.


Right. That would  that would definitely work on me. You know , it makes you feel m like , um , if you were gonna p if you 're predicting that you might not answer , you have a chance now to say that. Whereas , I  I mean , I would be much more likely myself ,

given all my email , t to respond at that point , saying " you know what , I 'm probably not gonna get to it " or whatever , rather than just having seen the email , thinking I might get to it , and never really ,  uh , pushing myself to actually do it until it 's too late.

Yeah. I was  I was thinking that it also  lets them know that they don't have to go to the page to  accept this.


given all my email , t to respond at that point , saying " you know what , I 'm probably not gonna get to it " or whatever , rather than just having seen the email , thinking I might get to it , and never really ,  uh , pushing myself to actually do it until it 's too late.

Yeah. I was  I was thinking that it also  lets them know that they don't have to go to the page to  accept this.


Yeah. I was  I was thinking that it also  lets them know that they don't have to go to the page to  accept this.

I mean , I  I  Yeah. So that way they could  they can see from that email that if they just write back and say " I got it , no changes " , they 're off the hook.


I mean , I  I  Yeah. So that way they could  they can see from that email that if they just write back and say " I got it , no changes " , they 're off the hook.


I mean , I  I  Yeah. So that way they could  they can see from that email that if they just write back and say " I got it , no changes " , they 're off the hook.

I mean , the other thing I 've learned from dealing with  dealing with people sending in reviews and so forth , uh , is , um ,  if you say " you 've got three months to do this review " ,  um , people do it , you know ,  two and seven eighths months from now.


I mean , the other thing I 've learned from dealing with  dealing with people sending in reviews and so forth , uh , is , um ,  if you say " you 've got three months to do this review " ,  um , people do it , you know ,  two and seven eighths months from now.


I mean , the other thing I 've learned from dealing with  dealing with people sending in reviews and so forth , uh , is , um ,  if you say " you 've got three months to do this review " ,  um , people do it , you know ,  two and seven eighths months from now.

If you say " you 've got three weeks to do this review " , they do  do it , you know , two and seven eighths weeks from now   they do the review.


If you say " you 've got three weeks to do this review " , they do  do it , you know , two and seven eighths weeks from now   they do the review.


If you say " you 've got three weeks to do this review " , they do  do it , you know , two and seven eighths weeks from now   they do the review.

And , um  So , if we make it  a little less time , I don't think it 'll be that much


If you say " you 've got three weeks to do this review " , they do  do it , you know , two and seven eighths weeks from now   they do the review.

And , um  So , if we make it  a little less time , I don't think it 'll be that much

Well , and also if we want it ready by the fifteenth , that means we better give them deadline of the first , if we have any prayer of actually getting everyone to respond in time.


And , um  So , if we make it  a little less time , I don't think it 'll be that much

Well , and also if we want it ready by the fifteenth , that means we better give them deadline of the first , if we have any prayer of actually getting everyone to respond in time.

There 's the responding part and there 's also what if , uh , I mean , I hope this doesn't happen , what if there are a bunch of deletions that have to get put in and changes ?


Well , and also if we want it ready by the fifteenth , that means we better give them deadline of the first , if we have any prayer of actually getting everyone to respond in time.

There 's the responding part and there 's also what if , uh , I mean , I hope this doesn't happen , what if there are a bunch of deletions that have to get put in and changes ?

Then  we actually have to deal with that


There 's the responding part and there 's also what if , uh , I mean , I hope this doesn't happen , what if there are a bunch of deletions that have to get put in and changes ?

Then  we actually have to deal with that


Then  we actually have to deal with that


By the way , has  has Jeremy signed the form ?


By the way , has  has Jeremy signed the form ?

oh my god ! I hadn't thought about that.


By the way , has  has Jeremy signed the form ?

oh my god ! I hadn't thought about that.

That for every meeting  any meeting which has any bleeps in it we need yet another copy of.


oh my god ! I hadn't thought about that.

That for every meeting  any meeting which has any bleeps in it we need yet another copy of.


That for every meeting  any meeting which has any bleeps in it we need yet another copy of.


Do you have to do the other close - talking ?


Do you have to do the other close - talking ?

You have to do all  You could just do it in that time period , though ,


You have to do all  You could just do it in that time period , though ,

Yes. Absolutely. There 's a lot of cross - talk.


Yes. Absolutely. There 's a lot of cross - talk.


Well , but you have to copy the whole file.


Well , but you have to copy the whole file.

Right ? Because we 're gonna be releasing the whole file.


Right ? Because we 're gonna be releasing the whole file.

Well   I  you know , I think at a certain point , that copy that has the deletions will become the master copy.


Right ? Because we 're gonna be releasing the whole file.

Well   I  you know , I think at a certain point , that copy that has the deletions will become the master copy.

Yeah. It 's just I hate deleting any data. So I  I don't want  I really would rather make a copy of it , rather than bleep it out


Well   I  you know , I think at a certain point , that copy that has the deletions will become the master copy.

Yeah. It 's just I hate deleting any data. So I  I don't want  I really would rather make a copy of it , rather than bleep it out

Are you del are you bleeping it by adding ?


Well   I  you know , I think at a certain point , that copy that has the deletions will become the master copy.

Yeah. It 's just I hate deleting any data. So I  I don't want  I really would rather make a copy of it , rather than bleep it out

Are you del are you bleeping it by adding ?

and then  Overlapping. So , it 's  it 's exactly a censor bleep. So what I really think is " bleep "


Yeah. It 's just I hate deleting any data. So I  I don't want  I really would rather make a copy of it , rather than bleep it out

Are you del are you bleeping it by adding ?

and then  Overlapping. So , it 's  it 's exactly a censor bleep. So what I really think is " bleep "

I I I I understand , but is  is it summing signals


Are you del are you bleeping it by adding ?

and then  Overlapping. So , it 's  it 's exactly a censor bleep. So what I really think is " bleep "

I I I I understand , but is  is it summing signals


and then  Overlapping. So , it 's  it 's exactly a censor bleep. So what I really think is " bleep "

I I I I understand , but is  is it summing signals

or do you  delete the old one and put the new one in ?


I I I I understand , but is  is it summing signals

or do you  delete the old one and put the new one in ?

I delete the old one , put the new one in.


or do you  delete the old one and put the new one in ?

I delete the old one , put the new one in.


or do you  delete the old one and put the new one in ?

I delete the old one , put the new one in.

There 's nothing left of the original signal.


I delete the old one , put the new one in.

There 's nothing left of the original signal.

Oh. Cuz if you were summing , you could  No. But anyway


There 's nothing left of the original signal.

Oh. Cuz if you were summing , you could  No. But anyway

Yeah. It would be qui quite easy to get it back again.


There 's nothing left of the original signal.

Oh. Cuz if you were summing , you could  No. But anyway

Yeah. It would be qui quite easy to get it back again.

But   And then w I was gonna say also that the they don't have to stay on the system , as you know ,


Oh. Cuz if you were summing , you could  No. But anyway

Yeah. It would be qui quite easy to get it back again.

But   And then w I was gonna say also that the they don't have to stay on the system , as you know ,


Yeah. It would be qui quite easy to get it back again.

But   And then w I was gonna say also that the they don't have to stay on the system , as you know ,

Then someday we can sell the  unedited versions.


But   And then w I was gonna say also that the they don't have to stay on the system , as you know ,

Then someday we can sell the  unedited versions.


Then someday we can sell the  unedited versions.


Then someday we can sell the  unedited versions.

Once it 's been successfully bleeped , can't you rely on the  ?


Once it 's been successfully bleeped , can't you rely on the  ?

Or  we 'll tell people the frequency of the beep


Once it 's been successfully bleeped , can't you rely on the  ?

Or  we 'll tell people the frequency of the beep

and then they could subtract the beep out.


Or  we 'll tell people the frequency of the beep

and then they could subtract the beep out.


and then they could subtract the beep out.

Can't you rely on the archiving to preserve the older version ?


Can't you rely on the archiving to preserve the older version ?


Yeah , that 's true. Yeah. Yep , that 's true.


Yeah , that 's true. Yeah. Yep , that 's true.

See , this is good. I wanted to create some  side conversations in these meetings.


Yeah , that 's true. Yeah. Yep , that 's true.

See , this is good. I wanted to create some  side conversations in these meetings.

Yeah. You could encrypt it , you know , with a  with a two hundred bit   thousand bit , uh


See , this is good. I wanted to create some  side conversations in these meetings.

Yeah. You could encrypt it , you know , with a  with a two hundred bit   thousand bit , uh


Yeah. You could encrypt it , you know , with a  with a two hundred bit   thousand bit , uh


I have an idea. You reverse the signal ,


I have an idea. You reverse the signal ,

so it  it lets people say what they said backwards.


so it  it lets people say what they said backwards.

Then you have , like , subliminal , uh , messages ,


so it  it lets people say what they said backwards.

Then you have , like , subliminal , uh , messages ,

But , ha you 've seen the  this  the speech recognition system that reversed very short segments.


Then you have , like , subliminal , uh , messages ,

But , ha you 've seen the  this  the speech recognition system that reversed very short segments.


But , ha you 've seen the  this  the speech recognition system that reversed very short segments.

Did you read that paper ? It wouldn't work.


Did you read that paper ? It wouldn't work.


That 's cuz they use forward - backward.


Good point. A point. Well , I 'm sorry if I sound a little peeved about this whole thing. It 's just we 've had meeting after meeting after meeting a on this and it seems like we 've never gotten it resolved.


Good point. A point. Well , I 'm sorry if I sound a little peeved about this whole thing. It 's just we 've had meeting after meeting after meeting a on this and it seems like we 've never gotten it resolved.

Well , but we never also  we 've also never done it.


Well , but we never also  we 've also never done it.


There 're bound to be some glitches the first time through.


There 're bound to be some glitches the first time through.

So.  And , uh  and I 'm sorry responding without , uh , having much knowledge , but the thing is , uh , I am , like , one of these people who gets a gazillion mails and  and stuff comes in as


There 're bound to be some glitches the first time through.

So.  And , uh  and I 'm sorry responding without , uh , having much knowledge , but the thing is , uh , I am , like , one of these people who gets a gazillion mails and  and stuff comes in as

Well , and that 's exactly why I did it the way I did it , which is the default is if you do nothing we 're gonna release it.


So.  And , uh  and I 'm sorry responding without , uh , having much knowledge , but the thing is , uh , I am , like , one of these people who gets a gazillion mails and  and stuff comes in as

Well , and that 's exactly why I did it the way I did it , which is the default is if you do nothing we 're gonna release it.

Because , you know , I have my  stack of emails of to d to be done , that , you know , fifty or sixty long , and the ones at the top I 'm never gonna get to.


Well , and that 's exactly why I did it the way I did it , which is the default is if you do nothing we 're gonna release it.

Because , you know , I have my  stack of emails of to d to be done , that , you know , fifty or sixty long , and the ones at the top I 'm never gonna get to.


Because , you know , I have my  stack of emails of to d to be done , that , you know , fifty or sixty long , and the ones at the top I 'm never gonna get to.


So  so the only thing we 're missing is  is some way to respond to easily to say , uh , " OK , go ahead " or something.


So  so the only thing we 're missing is  is some way to respond to easily to say , uh , " OK , go ahead " or something.

Just re - mail them to yourself and then they 're at the bottom.


Just re - mail them to yourself and then they 're at the bottom.


Yeah. That 's actually definitely a good point. The m email doesn't specify that you can just reply to the email , as op as opposed to going to the form


Yeah. That 's actually definitely a good point. The m email doesn't specify that you can just reply to the email , as op as opposed to going to the form

And it also doesn't give a  a specific  I didn't think of it.


And it also doesn't give a  a specific  I didn't think of it.


And it also doesn't give a  a specific  I didn't think of it.

S I think it 's a good idea  an ex explicit time by which this will be considered definite.


S I think it 's a good idea  an ex explicit time by which this will be considered definite.


S I think it 's a good idea  an ex explicit time by which this will be considered definite.

And  and it has to be a time earlier than that endpoint.


And  and it has to be a time earlier than that endpoint.


And  and it has to be a time earlier than that endpoint.

This  um , I 've seen this recently. Uh , I got email , and it  i if I use a MIME - capable mail reader , it actually says , you know , click on this button to confirm receipt  of the  of the mail.


This  um , I 've seen this recently. Uh , I got email , and it  i if I use a MIME - capable mail reader , it actually says , you know , click on this button to confirm receipt  of the  of the mail.


A lot of mailers support return receipt.


A lot of mailers support return receipt.

But it doesn't confirm that they 've read it.


But it doesn't confirm that they 've read it.

No , no , no. This is different. This is not  So , I  I know , you can tell , you know , the , uh , mail delivery agent to  to confirm that the mail was delivered to your mailbox.


No , no , no. This is different. This is not  So , I  I know , you can tell , you know , the , uh , mail delivery agent to  to confirm that the mail was delivered to your mailbox.

But  but , no. This was different. Ins - in the mail , there was a


But  but , no. This was different. Ins - in the mail , there was a


But  but , no. This was different. Ins - in the mail , there was a

uh , th there was a button that when you clicked on it , it would send , uh , you know , a actual acknowledgement to the sender that you had actually looked at the mail.


But  but , no. This was different. Ins - in the mail , there was a

uh , th there was a button that when you clicked on it , it would send , uh , you know , a actual acknowledgement to the sender that you had actually looked at the mail.

Oh , yeah. Yeah. Unfor - Yeah , we could do that. But I hate that.


uh , th there was a button that when you clicked on it , it would send , uh , you know , a actual acknowledgement to the sender that you had actually looked at the mail.

Oh , yeah. Yeah. Unfor - Yeah , we could do that. But I hate that.

But it o but it only works for , you know , MIME - capable  you know , if you use Netscape or something like that for your n


Oh , yeah. Yeah. Unfor - Yeah , we could do that. But I hate that.

But it o but it only works for , you know , MIME - capable  you know , if you use Netscape or something like that for your n


But it o but it only works for , you know , MIME - capable  you know , if you use Netscape or something like that for your n

You might as well just respond to the mail.


You might as well just respond to the mail.


It 's not that you 've looked at it , it 's that you 've looked at it and  and  and agree with one of the possible actions.


It 's not that you 've looked at it , it 's that you 've looked at it and  and  and agree with one of the possible actions.

You know , you can put this button anywhere you want ,


You know , you can put this button anywhere you want ,


You know , you can put this button anywhere you want ,

and you can put it the bottom of the message and say " here , by  you know , by clicking on this , I  I agree   uh , you know , I acknowledge  "


You know , you can put this button anywhere you want ,

and you can put it the bottom of the message and say " here , by  you know , by clicking on this , I  I agree   uh , you know , I acknowledge  "

That i i my first - born children are yours , and  Yeah. Yeah.


and you can put it the bottom of the message and say " here , by  you know , by clicking on this , I  I agree   uh , you know , I acknowledge  "

That i i my first - born children are yours , and  Yeah. Yeah.


and you can put it the bottom of the message and say " here , by  you know , by clicking on this , I  I agree   uh , you know , I acknowledge  "

That i i my first - born children are yours , and  Yeah. Yeah.

Well , I could put a URL in there without any difficulty and  even pretty simple MIME readers can do that. So.


That i i my first - born children are yours , and  Yeah. Yeah.

Well , I could put a URL in there without any difficulty and  even pretty simple MIME readers can do that. So.

But why shouldn't they just  email back ? I don't see there 's a problem.


Well , I could put a URL in there without any difficulty and  even pretty simple MIME readers can do that. So.

But why shouldn't they just  email back ? I don't see there 's a problem.


But why shouldn't they just  email back ? I don't see there 's a problem.


It 's very nice. I  I like the high - tech aspect of it ,


So  I  i There 's these logos  that you can put at the bottom of your web page , like " powered by VI ".


Like , there were three meetings this time , or so


Like , there were three meetings this time , or so

or how many ? Six ? But , no of different people. So I guess if you 're in both these types of meetings , you 'd have a lot. But   How  I mean , it also depends on how many  Like , if we release  this time it 's a fairly small number of meetings , but what if we release , like , twenty - five meetings to people ? In th


Like , there were three meetings this time , or so

or how many ? Six ? But , no of different people. So I guess if you 're in both these types of meetings , you 'd have a lot. But   How  I mean , it also depends on how many  Like , if we release  this time it 's a fairly small number of meetings , but what if we release , like , twenty - five meetings to people ? In th

Well , what my s expectation is , is that we 'll send out one of these emails  every time a meeting has been checked and is ready.


or how many ? Six ? But , no of different people. So I guess if you 're in both these types of meetings , you 'd have a lot. But   How  I mean , it also depends on how many  Like , if we release  this time it 's a fairly small number of meetings , but what if we release , like , twenty - five meetings to people ? In th

Well , what my s expectation is , is that we 'll send out one of these emails  every time a meeting has been checked and is ready.

I don't know. Oh. Oh , OK. So this time was just the first chunk. OK.


or how many ? Six ? But , no of different people. So I guess if you 're in both these types of meetings , you 'd have a lot. But   How  I mean , it also depends on how many  Like , if we release  this time it 's a fairly small number of meetings , but what if we release , like , twenty - five meetings to people ? In th

Well , what my s expectation is , is that we 'll send out one of these emails  every time a meeting has been checked and is ready.

I don't know. Oh. Oh , OK. So this time was just the first chunk. OK.

So. Tha - that was my intention. It 's just  yeah  that we just happened to have a bunch all at once.


Well , what my s expectation is , is that we 'll send out one of these emails  every time a meeting has been checked and is ready.

I don't know. Oh. Oh , OK. So this time was just the first chunk. OK.

So. Tha - that was my intention. It 's just  yeah  that we just happened to have a bunch all at once.


I don't know. Oh. Oh , OK. So this time was just the first chunk. OK.

So. Tha - that was my intention. It 's just  yeah  that we just happened to have a bunch all at once.

I mean , maybe  Is that  the way it 's gonna be , you think , Jane ?


So. Tha - that was my intention. It 's just  yeah  that we just happened to have a bunch all at once.

I mean , maybe  Is that  the way it 's gonna be , you think , Jane ?

I agree with you. It 's  we could do it , uh  I I could  I 'd be happy with either way , batch - wise  What I was thinking  Uh , so this one  That was exactly right , that we had a  uh , uh  I  I had wanted to get the entire set of twelve hours ready. Don't have it. But , uh , this was the biggest clump I could do by a time where I thought it was reasonable.


I mean , maybe  Is that  the way it 's gonna be , you think , Jane ?

I agree with you. It 's  we could do it , uh  I I could  I 'd be happy with either way , batch - wise  What I was thinking  Uh , so this one  That was exactly right , that we had a  uh , uh  I  I had wanted to get the entire set of twelve hours ready. Don't have it. But , uh , this was the biggest clump I could do by a time where I thought it was reasonable.


I mean , maybe  Is that  the way it 's gonna be , you think , Jane ?

I agree with you. It 's  we could do it , uh  I I could  I 'd be happy with either way , batch - wise  What I was thinking  Uh , so this one  That was exactly right , that we had a  uh , uh  I  I had wanted to get the entire set of twelve hours ready. Don't have it. But , uh , this was the biggest clump I could do by a time where I thought it was reasonable.

People would be able to check it and still have it ready by then. My , um  I was thinking that with the  NSA meetings , I 'd like  there are three of them , and they 're  uh , I  I will have them done by Monday. Uh , unfortunately the time is later and I don't know how that 's gonna work out , but I thought it 'd be good to have that released as a clump , too , because then ,  you know , they 're  they  they have a  it it 's in a category , it 's not quite so distracting to them , is what I was thinking , and it 's all in one chu But after that , when we 're caught up a bit on this process , then , um , I could imagine sending them out periodically as they become available.


I agree with you. It 's  we could do it , uh  I I could  I 'd be happy with either way , batch - wise  What I was thinking  Uh , so this one  That was exactly right , that we had a  uh , uh  I  I had wanted to get the entire set of twelve hours ready. Don't have it. But , uh , this was the biggest clump I could do by a time where I thought it was reasonable.

People would be able to check it and still have it ready by then. My , um  I was thinking that with the  NSA meetings , I 'd like  there are three of them , and they 're  uh , I  I will have them done by Monday. Uh , unfortunately the time is later and I don't know how that 's gonna work out , but I thought it 'd be good to have that released as a clump , too , because then ,  you know , they 're  they  they have a  it it 's in a category , it 's not quite so distracting to them , is what I was thinking , and it 's all in one chu But after that , when we 're caught up a bit on this process , then , um , I could imagine sending them out periodically as they become available.


People would be able to check it and still have it ready by then. My , um  I was thinking that with the  NSA meetings , I 'd like  there are three of them , and they 're  uh , I  I will have them done by Monday. Uh , unfortunately the time is later and I don't know how that 's gonna work out , but I thought it 'd be good to have that released as a clump , too , because then ,  you know , they 're  they  they have a  it it 's in a category , it 's not quite so distracting to them , is what I was thinking , and it 's all in one chu But after that , when we 're caught up a bit on this process , then , um , I could imagine sending them out periodically as they become available.

I could do it either way. I mean , it 's a question of how distracting it is to the people who have to do the checking.


I could do it either way. I mean , it 's a question of how distracting it is to the people who have to do the checking.

Uh. Let 's see. We  Yeah , right. So we got the transcript back from that one meeting. Everything seemed fine. Adam  had a script that will  put everything back together and there was  Well , there was one small problem but it was a simple thing to fix. And then , um ,  we , uh  I sent him a pointer to three more. And so he 's  off and  working on those.


I could do it either way. I mean , it 's a question of how distracting it is to the people who have to do the checking.

Uh. Let 's see. We  Yeah , right. So we got the transcript back from that one meeting. Everything seemed fine. Adam  had a script that will  put everything back together and there was  Well , there was one small problem but it was a simple thing to fix. And then , um ,  we , uh  I sent him a pointer to three more. And so he 's  off and  working on those.

Yeah. Now we haven't actually had anyone go through that meeting , to see whether the transcript is correct and to see how much was missed and all that sort of stuff.


Uh. Let 's see. We  Yeah , right. So we got the transcript back from that one meeting. Everything seemed fine. Adam  had a script that will  put everything back together and there was  Well , there was one small problem but it was a simple thing to fix. And then , um ,  we , uh  I sent him a pointer to three more. And so he 's  off and  working on those.

Yeah. Now we haven't actually had anyone go through that meeting , to see whether the transcript is correct and to see how much was missed and all that sort of stuff.


Yeah. Now we haven't actually had anyone go through that meeting , to see whether the transcript is correct and to see how much was missed and all that sort of stuff.


Yeah. It 's gonna have to go through our regular process.


Yeah. It 's gonna have to go through our regular process.

I mean , the one thing I noticed is it did miss a lot of backchannels. There are a fair number of " yeahs " and " uh - huhs " that  it 's just  that aren't in there. So.


Yeah. It 's gonna have to go through our regular process.

I mean , the one thing I noticed is it did miss a lot of backchannels. There are a fair number of " yeahs " and " uh - huhs " that  it 's just  that aren't in there. So.

But I think  Yeah. Like you said , I mean , that 's  that 's gonna be our standard proc that 's what the transcribers are gonna be spending most of their time doing , I would imagine ,


I mean , the one thing I noticed is it did miss a lot of backchannels. There are a fair number of " yeahs " and " uh - huhs " that  it 's just  that aren't in there. So.

But I think  Yeah. Like you said , I mean , that 's  that 's gonna be our standard proc that 's what the transcribers are gonna be spending most of their time doing , I would imagine ,


But I think  Yeah. Like you said , I mean , that 's  that 's gonna be our standard proc that 's what the transcribers are gonna be spending most of their time doing , I would imagine ,


Do you suppose that was because they weren't caught by the pre - segmenter ?


Do you suppose that was because they weren't caught by the pre - segmenter ?

Yeah. They 're  they 're not in the segmented.


Yeah. They 're  they 're not in the segmented.


Yeah. They 're  they 're not in the segmented.

It 's not that the  IBM people didn't do it.


It 's not that the  IBM people didn't do it.


It 's not that the  IBM people didn't do it.

OK. So maybe when the detector for that gets better or something  I w I  There 's another issue which is this  we 've been , uh , contacted by University of Washington now , of course , to , um  We sent them the transcripts that correspond to those  six meetings and they 're downloading the audio files. So they 'll be doing that. Chuck 's  Chuck 's , uh , put that in.


OK. So maybe when the detector for that gets better or something  I w I  There 's another issue which is this  we 've been , uh , contacted by University of Washington now , of course , to , um  We sent them the transcripts that correspond to those  six meetings and they 're downloading the audio files. So they 'll be doing that. Chuck 's  Chuck 's , uh , put that in.

Mm - hmm. Yeah , I pointed them to the set that Andreas put , uh , on the  web so th if they want to compare directly with his results they can. And , um , then once , uh , th we can also point them at the , um , uh , the original meetings and they can grab those , too , with SCP.


Mm - hmm. Yeah , I pointed them to the set that Andreas put , uh , on the  web so th if they want to compare directly with his results they can. And , um , then once , uh , th we can also point them at the , um , uh , the original meetings and they can grab those , too , with SCP.


No , I mean of the transcripts. Um. Well , we can talk about it off - line.


No , I mean of the transcripts. Um. Well , we can talk about it off - line.

There 's another meeting in here , what , at four ? Right ? Yeah , so we have to finish by three forty - five.


No , I mean of the transcripts. Um. Well , we can talk about it off - line.

There 's another meeting in here , what , at four ? Right ? Yeah , so we have to finish by three forty - five.

D d So , does Washi - does  does UW wanna u do this  wanna use this data for recognition or for something else ?


There 's another meeting in here , what , at four ? Right ? Yeah , so we have to finish by three forty - five.

D d So , does Washi - does  does UW wanna u do this  wanna use this data for recognition or for something else ?


D d So , does Washi - does  does UW wanna u do this  wanna use this data for recognition or for something else ?


didn't they want to do language modeling on , you know , recognition - compatible transcripts


didn't they want to do language modeling on , you know , recognition - compatible transcripts

This is to show you , uh , some of the things that turn up during the checking procedure.


This is to show you , uh , some of the things that turn up during the checking procedure.


This is to show you , uh , some of the things that turn up during the checking procedure.

Um @ @  So , this is from one of the NSA meetings and , uh , i if you 're familiar with the diff format , the arrow to the left is what it was , and the arrow to the right is  what it was changed to. So , um.  And now the first one. " OK. So , then we started a weekly meeting. The last time , uh  " And the transcriber thought " little too much " But ,  uh , really , um , it was " we learned too much " , which makes more sense syntactically as well.


Um @ @  So , this is from one of the NSA meetings and , uh , i if you 're familiar with the diff format , the arrow to the left is what it was , and the arrow to the right is  what it was changed to. So , um.  And now the first one. " OK. So , then we started a weekly meeting. The last time , uh  " And the transcriber thought " little too much " But ,  uh , really , um , it was " we learned too much " , which makes more sense syntactically as well.


Um @ @  So , this is from one of the NSA meetings and , uh , i if you 're familiar with the diff format , the arrow to the left is what it was , and the arrow to the right is  what it was changed to. So , um.  And now the first one. " OK. So , then we started a weekly meeting. The last time , uh  " And the transcriber thought " little too much " But ,  uh , really , um , it was " we learned too much " , which makes more sense syntactically as well.

Then  Oh , this  that 's the convention for indicating uncertain.


Then  Oh , this  that 's the convention for indicating uncertain.


Then  Oh , this  that 's the convention for indicating uncertain.

You know , she was uncertain about that.


You know , she was uncertain about that.


You know , she was uncertain about that.

So she 's right to be uncertain. And it 's also a g a good indication of the  of that.


So she 's right to be uncertain. And it 's also a g a good indication of the  of that.

The next one. This was about , uh , Claudia and  she 'd been really b busy with stuff , such as waivers. Uh , OK. Um , next one. Um.  This was  an interesting one. So the original was " So that 's not  so Claudia 's not the bad master here " , and then he laughs , but it really " web master ".


The next one. This was about , uh , Claudia and  she 'd been really b busy with stuff , such as waivers. Uh , OK. Um , next one. Um.  This was  an interesting one. So the original was " So that 's not  so Claudia 's not the bad master here " , and then he laughs , but it really " web master ".


The next one. This was about , uh , Claudia and  she 'd been really b busy with stuff , such as waivers. Uh , OK. Um , next one. Um.  This was  an interesting one. So the original was " So that 's not  so Claudia 's not the bad master here " , and then he laughs , but it really " web master ".

And then you see another type of uncertainty which is , you know , they just didn't know what to make out of that. So instead of " split upon unknown " ,  it 's " split in principle ".


And then you see another type of uncertainty which is , you know , they just didn't know what to make out of that. So instead of " split upon unknown " ,  it 's " split in principle ".


No , no. These are  these are our local transcriptions of the NSA meetings.


No , no. These are  these are our local transcriptions of the NSA meetings.

The transcribers  transcriber 's version ver versus the checked version.


The transcribers  transcriber 's version ver versus the checked version.

My  my checked version , after I go through it.


My  my checked version , after I go through it.

Um , then you get down here. Um. Sometimes some speakers will insert foreign language terms. That 's the next example , the next one. The , uh , version beyond this is  So instead of saying " or " , especially those words , " also " and " oder " and some other ones. Those sneak in. Um , the next one


Um , then you get down here. Um. Sometimes some speakers will insert foreign language terms. That 's the next example , the next one. The , uh , version beyond this is  So instead of saying " or " , especially those words , " also " and " oder " and some other ones. Those sneak in. Um , the next one


Sorry , what ? Discourse markers ? Sure. Sure , sure , sure.


cuz it 's , like , below this  it 's a little subliminal there.


cuz it 's , like , below this  it 's a little subliminal there.

Um. OK , the next one , uh ,  this is a term. The problem with terminology. Description with th the transcriber has " X as an advance ". But really it 's " QS in advance ". I mean , I  I 've benefited from some of these , uh , cross - group meetings. OK , then you got , um ,  uh , instead of " from something - or - other cards " ,  it 's " for multicast ". And instead of " ANN system related " , it 's " end system related ". This was changed to an acronym initially and it should shouldn't have been. And then , you can see here " GPS " was misinterpreted. It 's just totally understanda This is  this is a lot of jargon. Um , and the final one , the transcriber had th " in the core network itself or the exit unknown , not the internet unknown ". And it  it comes through as " in the core network itself of the access provider , not the internet backbone core ". Now this is a lot of  terminology. And they 're generally extremely good ,