well that 's getting cl I mean , yeah , the spread was still pretty wide that 's th that 's true ,

but  but , uh , I think it would be irntu intu intuition that this would be the case , but , uh , to really see it and to have the intuition is quite different , I mean , I think somebody w w let 's see who was talking about earlier that the effect of having a lot more data is quite different in Switchboard than it is in  in Broadcast News ,


well that 's getting cl I mean , yeah , the spread was still pretty wide that 's th that 's true ,

but  but , uh , I think it would be irntu intu intuition that this would be the case , but , uh , to really see it and to have the intuition is quite different , I mean , I think somebody w w let 's see who was talking about earlier that the effect of having a lot more data is quite different in Switchboard than it is in  in Broadcast News ,

Well it 's different for different tasks.


but  but , uh , I think it would be irntu intu intuition that this would be the case , but , uh , to really see it and to have the intuition is quite different , I mean , I think somebody w w let 's see who was talking about earlier that the effect of having a lot more data is quite different in Switchboard than it is in  in Broadcast News ,

Well it 's different for different tasks.


Well it 's different for different tasks.

So it depends a lot on whether , you know , it  disambiguation is exactly the case where more data is better , right ? You 're  you 're  you can assume similar distributions ,


So it depends a lot on whether , you know , it  disambiguation is exactly the case where more data is better , right ? You 're  you 're  you can assume similar distributions ,


So it depends a lot on whether , you know , it  disambiguation is exactly the case where more data is better , right ? You 're  you 're  you can assume similar distributions ,

but if you wanted to do disambiguation on a different type of , uh , test data then your training data , then that extra data wouldn't generalize ,


but if you wanted to do disambiguation on a different type of , uh , test data then your training data , then that extra data wouldn't generalize ,


But , I think one of their p They  they had a couple points. w  Uh , I think one of them was that " Well , maybe simpler algorithms and more data are  is better ". Less memory , faster operation , simpler. Right ? Because their simplest , most brain - dead algorithm did pretty darn well


But , I think one of their p They  they had a couple points. w  Uh , I think one of them was that " Well , maybe simpler algorithms and more data are  is better ". Less memory , faster operation , simpler. Right ? Because their simplest , most brain - dead algorithm did pretty darn well

when you got  gave it a lot more data. And then also they were saying , " Well , m You have access to a lot more data. Why are you sticking with a million words ? " I mean , their point was that this million - word corpus that everyone uses is apparently ten or fifteen years old. And everyone is still using it , so.


But , I think one of their p They  they had a couple points. w  Uh , I think one of them was that " Well , maybe simpler algorithms and more data are  is better ". Less memory , faster operation , simpler. Right ? Because their simplest , most brain - dead algorithm did pretty darn well

when you got  gave it a lot more data. And then also they were saying , " Well , m You have access to a lot more data. Why are you sticking with a million words ? " I mean , their point was that this million - word corpus that everyone uses is apparently ten or fifteen years old. And everyone is still using it , so.

Yeah. But anyway , I  I  I think it 's  it 's just the  the i it 's  it 's  it 's not really the conclusion they came to so much , as the conclusion that some of the , uh , uh , commenters in the crowd  came up with


when you got  gave it a lot more data. And then also they were saying , " Well , m You have access to a lot more data. Why are you sticking with a million words ? " I mean , their point was that this million - word corpus that everyone uses is apparently ten or fifteen years old. And everyone is still using it , so.

Yeah. But anyway , I  I  I think it 's  it 's just the  the i it 's  it 's  it 's not really the conclusion they came to so much , as the conclusion that some of the , uh , uh , commenters in the crowd  came up with

But we could talk about this stuff , I think this would be fun to do.  Right.


when you got  gave it a lot more data. And then also they were saying , " Well , m You have access to a lot more data. Why are you sticking with a million words ? " I mean , their point was that this million - word corpus that everyone uses is apparently ten or fifteen years old. And everyone is still using it , so.

Yeah. But anyway , I  I  I think it 's  it 's just the  the i it 's  it 's  it 's not really the conclusion they came to so much , as the conclusion that some of the , uh , uh , commenters in the crowd  came up with

But we could talk about this stuff , I think this would be fun to do.  Right.

that , uh , you know , this therefore is further evidence that , you know , more data is really all you should care about , and that I thought was just kind of going too far the other way ,


Yeah. But anyway , I  I  I think it 's  it 's just the  the i it 's  it 's  it 's not really the conclusion they came to so much , as the conclusion that some of the , uh , uh , commenters in the crowd  came up with

But we could talk about this stuff , I think this would be fun to do.  Right.

that , uh , you know , this therefore is further evidence that , you know , more data is really all you should care about , and that I thought was just kind of going too far the other way ,


But we could talk about this stuff , I think this would be fun to do.  Right.

that , uh , you know , this therefore is further evidence that , you know , more data is really all you should care about , and that I thought was just kind of going too far the other way ,

and  and the  the , uh , one  one person ga g g got up and made a  a brief defense , uh , but it was a different kind of grounds , it was that  that , uh , i w the reason people were not using so much data before was not because they were stupid or didn't realize data was important , but in fact th they didn't have it available. Um , but the other point to make a again is that , uh , machine learning still does matter , but it  it matters more in some situations than in others , and it  and also there 's  there 's not just mattering or not mattering , but there 's mattering in different ways. I mean , you might be in some situation where you care how much memory you 're using , or you care , you know , what recall time is ,


that , uh , you know , this therefore is further evidence that , you know , more data is really all you should care about , and that I thought was just kind of going too far the other way ,

and  and the  the , uh , one  one person ga g g got up and made a  a brief defense , uh , but it was a different kind of grounds , it was that  that , uh , i w the reason people were not using so much data before was not because they were stupid or didn't realize data was important , but in fact th they didn't have it available. Um , but the other point to make a again is that , uh , machine learning still does matter , but it  it matters more in some situations than in others , and it  and also there 's  there 's not just mattering or not mattering , but there 's mattering in different ways. I mean , you might be in some situation where you care how much memory you 're using , or you care , you know , what recall time is ,


and  and the  the , uh , one  one person ga g g got up and made a  a brief defense , uh , but it was a different kind of grounds , it was that  that , uh , i w the reason people were not using so much data before was not because they were stupid or didn't realize data was important , but in fact th they didn't have it available. Um , but the other point to make a again is that , uh , machine learning still does matter , but it  it matters more in some situations than in others , and it  and also there 's  there 's not just mattering or not mattering , but there 's mattering in different ways. I mean , you might be in some situation where you care how much memory you 're using , or you care , you know , what recall time is ,


and  and the  the , uh , one  one person ga g g got up and made a  a brief defense , uh , but it was a different kind of grounds , it was that  that , uh , i w the reason people were not using so much data before was not because they were stupid or didn't realize data was important , but in fact th they didn't have it available. Um , but the other point to make a again is that , uh , machine learning still does matter , but it  it matters more in some situations than in others , and it  and also there 's  there 's not just mattering or not mattering , but there 's mattering in different ways. I mean , you might be in some situation where you care how much memory you 're using , or you care , you know , what recall time is ,

Or you only have a million words  for your  some new task.


Or you only have a million words  for your  some new task.


Or you only have a million words  for your  some new task.

Or done another language , or  I mean , you  so there 's papers on portability and rapid prototyping and blah - blah - blah ,


Or done another language , or  I mean , you  so there 's papers on portability and rapid prototyping and blah - blah - blah ,


and then there 's people saying , " Oh , just add more data. "


and then there 's people saying , " Oh , just add more data. "

So , these are like two different religions , basically.


So , these are like two different religions , basically.


you know , so  so these , I mean th the  in the  in the speech side , the thing that @ @ always occurs to me is that if you  if you  uh  one person has a system that requires ten thousand hours to train on , and the other only requires a hundred , and they both do about the same because the hundred hour one was smarter , that 's  that 's gonna be better. because people , I mean , there isn't gonna be just one system that people train on


you know , so  so these , I mean th the  in the  in the speech side , the thing that @ @ always occurs to me is that if you  if you  uh  one person has a system that requires ten thousand hours to train on , and the other only requires a hundred , and they both do about the same because the hundred hour one was smarter , that 's  that 's gonna be better. because people , I mean , there isn't gonna be just one system that people train on

and then that 's it for the r for all of time. I mean , people are gonna be doing other different things , and so it  these  these things matters  matter.


and then that 's it for the r for all of time. I mean , people are gonna be doing other different things , and so it  these  these things matters  matter.

Yeah , so that 's one of the slides they put up.


and then that 's it for the r for all of time. I mean , people are gonna be doing other different things , and so it  these  these things matters  matter.

Yeah , so that 's one of the slides they put up.

So , I mean , this was a very provocative slide. She put this up , and it was like this is  this p people kept saying , " Can I see that slide again ? "


Yeah , so that 's one of the slides they put up.

So , I mean , this was a very provocative slide. She put this up , and it was like this is  this p people kept saying , " Can I see that slide again ? "


So , I mean , this was a very provocative slide. She put this up , and it was like this is  this p people kept saying , " Can I see that slide again ? "

and then they 'd make a comment , and one person said , well - known person said , um , you know , " Before you dismiss forty - five years including my work  "


and then they 'd make a comment , and one person said , well - known person said , um , you know , " Before you dismiss forty - five years including my work  "


But th you know , the same thing has happened in computational linguistics , right ? You look at the ACL papers coming out , and now there 's sort of a turn back towards , OK we 've learned statistic  you know , we 're basically getting what we expect out of some statistical methods , and , you know , the there 's arguments on both sides ,


But th you know , the same thing has happened in computational linguistics , right ? You look at the ACL papers coming out , and now there 's sort of a turn back towards , OK we 've learned statistic  you know , we 're basically getting what we expect out of some statistical methods , and , you know , the there 's arguments on both sides ,

I think the matters is the thing that  that was misleading.


I think the matters is the thing that  that was misleading.

That was very offending , very offending.


I think the matters is the thing that  that was misleading.

That was very offending , very offending.

Is that  all  all of them are based on all the others , right ? Just , you  you can't say


That was very offending , very offending.

Is that  all  all of them are based on all the others , right ? Just , you  you can't say

Maybe they should have said " focus " or something.


Is that  all  all of them are based on all the others , right ? Just , you  you can't say

Maybe they should have said " focus " or something.


Is that  all  all of them are based on all the others , right ? Just , you  you can't say

Maybe they should have said " focus " or something.

Yeah. I mean , so.  And I 'm saying the same thing happened with speech recognition , right ? For a long time people were hand - c coding linguistic rules and then they discovered machine - learning worked better. And now they 're throwing more and more data and worrying  perhaps worrying less and less about , uh , the exact details of the algorithms.


Maybe they should have said " focus " or something.

Yeah. I mean , so.  And I 'm saying the same thing happened with speech recognition , right ? For a long time people were hand - c coding linguistic rules and then they discovered machine - learning worked better. And now they 're throwing more and more data and worrying  perhaps worrying less and less about , uh , the exact details of the algorithms.


Yeah. I mean , so.  And I 'm saying the same thing happened with speech recognition , right ? For a long time people were hand - c coding linguistic rules and then they discovered machine - learning worked better. And now they 're throwing more and more data and worrying  perhaps worrying less and less about , uh , the exact details of the algorithms.

Except when they have a Eurospeech paper.


Except when they have a Eurospeech paper.


Anyway , tea is  tea is , uh , starting.


Anyway , tea is  tea is , uh , starting.

Shall we read some digits ? Are we gonna do one at a time ? Or should we read them all agai at once again.


Shall we read some digits ? Are we gonna do one at a time ? Or should we read them all agai at once again.


Yes ! So , and maybe we won't laugh this time also.


Yes ! So , and maybe we won't laugh this time also.

OK. So remember to read the transcript number so that , uh , everyone knows that  what it is. And ready ?


OK. So remember to read the transcript number so that , uh , everyone knows that  what it is. And ready ?


Yep. Soon as I get this. Okay. This is our last meeting. Um I'll go ahead and go through the minutes from the previous meeting. Uh and then we'll have a , the prototype presentation.  Um then we will um do an evaluation. Uh or we'll see what , what we need to have under the criteria for the evaluation. Then we'll go through the finance and see if we fall within the budget. Um then we'll do the evaluation , and then we can finish up after that with um any changes that we'll need to make , or hopefully everything will fall right in line. Um let's see , minutes from the last meeting. Um we looked at uh the the trends. We had uh the fashion trends that people want a fancy look-and-feel. It was twice as important as anything else. Um they liked fruit and vegetables in the new styles. Um and a spongy feel. So we were talking about trying to incorporate those into our prototype. Um they wanted limited buttons and simplicity. Um then we looked at the uh the method for coming up with our own remote. Um looking at other other devices. Um the iPod , we really liked the look of that. Um we also had uh the kid's remote for a simple idea. Um a two part remote , which was what were were originally looking at. Uh and then um there was talk of spee uh speech recognition um becoming more uh predominant and easier to use. But I think we've still decided not to go with that.  Then we looked at the components um the materials for the case , the different energy sources , the different types of chips , um and made a decision on what we were going to use to make our remote. Um and basically how , what were making for the prototype. So I'm going to leave it at that and let you guys take over.

The prototype yeah. Do you need a  this ?


The prototype yeah. Do you need a  this ?


Um  yeah basically we we st went with the colour yellow. Um working on the principle of a fruit which was mentioned , it's basically designed around a banana.


Um  yeah basically we we st went with the colour yellow. Um working on the principle of a fruit which was mentioned , it's basically designed around a banana.

Um but it would be held in such a fashion ,


Um  yeah basically we we st went with the colour yellow. Um working on the principle of a fruit which was mentioned , it's basically designed around a banana.

Um but it would be held in such a fashion ,

where it is , obviously it wouldn't be that floppy 'cause this would be hard plastic. These would be like the rubber , the rubber grips. So that's so that would hopefully help with grip , or like the ergonomics of it. Um but all the controlling would be done with this scroll wheel. You have to use your imagination a little bit. And this here represents the screen , where you , where you'd go through.


Um but it would be held in such a fashion ,

where it is , obviously it wouldn't be that floppy 'cause this would be hard plastic. These would be like the rubber , the rubber grips. So that's so that would hopefully help with grip , or like the ergonomics of it. Um but all the controlling would be done with this scroll wheel. You have to use your imagination a little bit. And this here represents the screen , where you , where you'd go through.

And the the simplest functions would be um almost identical to an iPod , where that one way ch through channels , that way th other way through channels. Volume up and down. And then to access the more complicated functions you'd you sorta go , you press that and go through the menus. It's that that simple. That just represents the infrared uh beam. That's a simple on and off switch. Um I don't know , we could use the voice. T that blue bits should be yellow , that that'd be where the batteries would be I suppose. And um  that's about it. It's as simple as you , we could make it really.


where it is , obviously it wouldn't be that floppy 'cause this would be hard plastic. These would be like the rubber , the rubber grips. So that's so that would hopefully help with grip , or like the ergonomics of it. Um but all the controlling would be done with this scroll wheel. You have to use your imagination a little bit. And this here represents the screen , where you , where you'd go through.

And the the simplest functions would be um almost identical to an iPod , where that one way ch through channels , that way th other way through channels. Volume up and down. And then to access the more complicated functions you'd you sorta go , you press that and go through the menus. It's that that simple. That just represents the infrared uh beam. That's a simple on and off switch. Um I don't know , we could use the voice. T that blue bits should be yellow , that that'd be where the batteries would be I suppose. And um  that's about it. It's as simple as you , we could make it really.


And the the simplest functions would be um almost identical to an iPod , where that one way ch through channels , that way th other way through channels. Volume up and down. And then to access the more complicated functions you'd you sorta go , you press that and go through the menus. It's that that simple. That just represents the infrared uh beam. That's a simple on and off switch. Um I don't know , we could use the voice. T that blue bits should be yellow , that that'd be where the batteries would be I suppose. And um  that's about it. It's as simple as you , we could make it really.


And the the simplest functions would be um almost identical to an iPod , where that one way ch through channels , that way th other way through channels. Volume up and down. And then to access the more complicated functions you'd you sorta go , you press that and go through the menus. It's that that simple. That just represents the infrared uh beam. That's a simple on and off switch. Um I don't know , we could use the voice. T that blue bits should be yellow , that that'd be where the batteries would be I suppose. And um  that's about it. It's as simple as you , we could make it really.

That's what we have there. That's plastic. Plastic covered with rubber. We might uh add some more underneath here. Maybe give it , give it a form. I mean you're supposed to hold it like that , but um just if you grab it , take it from somewhere ,


That's what we have there. That's plastic. Plastic covered with rubber. We might uh add some more underneath here. Maybe give it , give it a form. I mean you're supposed to hold it like that , but um just if you grab it , take it from somewhere ,


You could work left-handed or right-handed I suppose.


You could work left-handed or right-handed I suppose.

Exactly ,  use both. Might as well think about


You could work left-handed or right-handed I suppose.

Exactly ,  use both. Might as well think about

Th think about the button as well. Like either put either one  one on either side or


Exactly ,  use both. Might as well think about

Th think about the button as well. Like either put either one  one on either side or


Th think about the button as well. Like either put either one  one on either side or


Th think about the button as well. Like either put either one  one on either side or

not do it at all. It's a quick on-off button.


not do it at all. It's a quick on-off button.


yeah I think it's pretty important. So you don't have to fiddle with that.


yeah I think it's pretty important. So you don't have to fiddle with that.

I'd say a bit smaller would probably be nice. You wanna play with that over there.


I'd say a bit smaller would probably be nice. You wanna play with that over there.


I'd say a bit smaller would probably be nice. You wanna play with that over there.

It's you know it's flimsy 'cause it's made out of heavy Play-Doh ,


It's you know it's flimsy 'cause it's made out of heavy Play-Doh ,


And whether or not it would fall into the cost  everything I suppose. With the scroll and the L_C_D_.


And whether or not it would fall into the cost  everything I suppose. With the scroll and the L_C_D_.

Well luckily we are going to find out. Or not luckily. Um do you have a marketing presentation for us.


And whether or not it would fall into the cost  everything I suppose. With the scroll and the L_C_D_.

Well luckily we are going to find out. Or not luckily. Um do you have a marketing presentation for us.

I do. Okay. You guys are gonna help me do an evaluation of the criteria. Um. Okay. So first I'll just discuss some of the criteria that I found. Just based on the past trend reports that I was looking at earlier. And then we'll do a group evaluation of the prototype. And then we will calculate the average score to see how we did. Um so the criteria we're gonna be looking at are the complaints um that we heard from the users who were interviewed earlier. So we're gonna be doing it based on a seven point scale. And one is going to mean true , that we did actually achieve that. With seven being false , we did not achieve that. . Okay. So for the first one , we need to decide , did we solved the problem of the users who complained about an ugly remote ?


And whether or not it would fall into the cost  everything I suppose. With the scroll and the L_C_D_.

Well luckily we are going to find out. Or not luckily. Um do you have a marketing presentation for us.

I do. Okay. You guys are gonna help me do an evaluation of the criteria. Um. Okay. So first I'll just discuss some of the criteria that I found. Just based on the past trend reports that I was looking at earlier. And then we'll do a group evaluation of the prototype. And then we will calculate the average score to see how we did. Um so the criteria we're gonna be looking at are the complaints um that we heard from the users who were interviewed earlier. So we're gonna be doing it based on a seven point scale. And one is going to mean true , that we did actually achieve that. With seven being false , we did not achieve that. . Okay. So for the first one , we need to decide , did we solved the problem of the users who complained about an ugly remote ?

I think it's definitely different than anything else out there.


Well luckily we are going to find out. Or not luckily. Um do you have a marketing presentation for us.

I do. Okay. You guys are gonna help me do an evaluation of the criteria. Um. Okay. So first I'll just discuss some of the criteria that I found. Just based on the past trend reports that I was looking at earlier. And then we'll do a group evaluation of the prototype. And then we will calculate the average score to see how we did. Um so the criteria we're gonna be looking at are the complaints um that we heard from the users who were interviewed earlier. So we're gonna be doing it based on a seven point scale. And one is going to mean true , that we did actually achieve that. With seven being false , we did not achieve that. . Okay. So for the first one , we need to decide , did we solved the problem of the users who complained about an ugly remote ?

I think it's definitely different than anything else out there.


I do. Okay. You guys are gonna help me do an evaluation of the criteria. Um. Okay. So first I'll just discuss some of the criteria that I found. Just based on the past trend reports that I was looking at earlier. And then we'll do a group evaluation of the prototype. And then we will calculate the average score to see how we did. Um so the criteria we're gonna be looking at are the complaints um that we heard from the users who were interviewed earlier. So we're gonna be doing it based on a seven point scale. And one is going to mean true , that we did actually achieve that. With seven being false , we did not achieve that. . Okay. So for the first one , we need to decide , did we solved the problem of the users who complained about an ugly remote ?

I think it's definitely different than anything else out there.


I think it's definitely different than anything else out there.

So if they think that what is out there is ugly , then yes I would say , I would say most definitely.


So if they think that what is out there is ugly , then yes I would say , I would say most definitely.


I'd say , when it comes to the ergonomics , the form and stuff , yes that's definitely more beautiful than your average.


I'd say , when it comes to the ergonomics , the form and stuff , yes that's definitely more beautiful than your average.

However the colour , we don't have a say in that.


I'd say , when it comes to the ergonomics , the form and stuff , yes that's definitely more beautiful than your average.

However the colour , we don't have a say in that.

Yeah I think the colours detract a little bit.


However the colour , we don't have a say in that.

Yeah I think the colours detract a little bit.

That has been , that has been dictated pretty much by the company.


Yeah I think the colours detract a little bit.

That has been , that has been dictated pretty much by the company.


That has been , that has been dictated pretty much by the company.

So uh to answer that honestly I would rather say like uh , we have not solved the problem completely with the ugly remote because the colour is ugly , definitely.


So uh to answer that honestly I would rather say like uh , we have not solved the problem completely with the ugly remote because the colour is ugly , definitely.


'S nothing you can say about that. I mean I much prefer something like brushed chrome with that form.


'S nothing you can say about that. I mean I much prefer something like brushed chrome with that form.

Yeah something more modern to go  a a modern colour to go with the modern form.


Yeah something more modern to go  a a modern colour to go with the modern form.

Right. Right. It's different. You don't want your uh three feet huge L_C_D_ dis display in your living room that's hanging from the wall to be controlled with something like that.


Yeah something more modern to go  a a modern colour to go with the modern form.

Right. Right. It's different. You don't want your uh three feet huge L_C_D_ dis display in your living room that's hanging from the wall to be controlled with something like that.

Um okay so , do you think , since we  This was a a sign criteria , do you think maybe we should put it somewhere in the middle then ?


Right. Right. It's different. You don't want your uh three feet huge L_C_D_ dis display in your living room that's hanging from the wall to be controlled with something like that.

Um okay so , do you think , since we  This was a a sign criteria , do you think maybe we should put it somewhere in the middle then ?


Um okay so , do you think , since we  This was a a sign criteria , do you think maybe we should put it somewhere in the middle then ?


Okay , the second one. Did we make it simple for new users ?


Okay , the second one. Did we make it simple for new users ?

Yeah. I think that was the main aim , one of the main aims that we had.


Yeah. I think that was the main aim , one of the main aims that we had.


'kay. Okay. Um , do the controls now match the operating behaviour of the users ?


'kay. Okay. Um , do the controls now match the operating behaviour of the users ?

Uh yeah. 'Cause we've we've brought it down to basically four controls  most common , which are channel and volume.


Uh yeah. 'Cause we've we've brought it down to basically four controls  most common , which are channel and volume.


And then the other ones are just a matter of just going , just scrolling further.


And then the other ones are just a matter of just going , just scrolling further.

S scrolling through and selecting a few.


S scrolling through and selecting a few.


Yeah ?  Okay. Okay um the fourth one. How about the problem of a remote being easily lost ? One of the number one complaints.


Yeah ?  Okay. Okay um the fourth one. How about the problem of a remote being easily lost ? One of the number one complaints.

Something that big and that yellow you just don't lose anymore.


Yeah ?  Okay. Okay um the fourth one. How about the problem of a remote being easily lost ? One of the number one complaints.

Something that big and that yellow you just don't lose anymore.

Whether you want to or not , you're not gonna lose it.


Something that big and that yellow you just don't lose anymore.

Whether you want to or not , you're not gonna lose it.


Whether you want to or not , you're not gonna lose it.

Bright yellow's hard to lose. But um if we were to , if we were , that , the speech recognition. That , we could maybe just use that solely for the the finding thing. That was what we'd we'd mentioned.


Whether you want to or not , you're not gonna lose it.

Bright yellow's hard to lose. But um if we were to , if we were , that , the speech recognition. That , we could maybe just use that solely for the the finding thing. That was what we'd we'd mentioned.

So if we incorporate speech recognition into it then it could


Bright yellow's hard to lose. But um if we were to , if we were , that , the speech recognition. That , we could maybe just use that solely for the the finding thing. That was what we'd we'd mentioned.

So if we incorporate speech recognition into it then it could

Just just to use , to find it when it was lost. But like I said , like I don't think you'd lose something so yellow so easily.


So if we incorporate speech recognition into it then it could

Just just to use , to find it when it was lost. But like I said , like I don't think you'd lose something so yellow so easily.

And it's not gonna fall , like a rectangle would slip down behind things. That's gonna be a difficult shape to


Just just to use , to find it when it was lost. But like I said , like I don't think you'd lose something so yellow so easily.

And it's not gonna fall , like a rectangle would slip down behind things. That's gonna be a difficult shape to


And it's not gonna fall , like a rectangle would slip down behind things. That's gonna be a difficult shape to


Maybe in the middle again , three or four or something ?


Maybe in the middle again , three or four or something ?

I mean you know  loo losing things is one of those things that people can lose , I mean a million ways.


I mean you know  loo losing things is one of those things that people can lose , I mean a million ways.


I mean you know  loo losing things is one of those things that people can lose , I mean a million ways.

You can pick it up and walk away with it and then you've lost it.


You can pick it up and walk away with it and then you've lost it.


You can pick it up and walk away with it and then you've lost it.

But if we do go with the , with the speech recognition , then it , then our scale goes up quite a bit I think.


But if we do go with the , with the speech recognition , then it , then our scale goes up quite a bit I think.


Probably two. You know. If we eliminate the fact that you know it's impossible to guarantee that it's not gonna be lost then


With the speech recognition , which of course may be changed depending on budget.


With the speech recognition , which of course may be changed depending on budget.

Y you could add an extra feature actually. Which makes this thing raise hell when you remove it too far from the television.


Y you could add an extra feature actually. Which makes this thing raise hell when you remove it too far from the television.

We could add that but that's nothing we have thought of so far.


Y you could add an extra feature actually. Which makes this thing raise hell when you remove it too far from the television.

We could add that but that's nothing we have thought of so far.

Which , which may be cheaper than speech recognition if it were just a


We could add that but that's nothing we have thought of so far.

Which , which may be cheaper than speech recognition if it were just a


We could add that but that's nothing we have thought of so far.

Which , which may be cheaper than speech recognition if it were just a

Yeah true. But I mean d just those whistling , clapping key rings you have. They're cheap.


Which , which may be cheaper than speech recognition if it were just a

Yeah true. But I mean d just those whistling , clapping key rings you have. They're cheap.


Yeah true. But I mean d just those whistling , clapping key rings you have. They're cheap.


Um the  it's based on this anti anti-theft technology for suitcases and stuff ,


where you have one piece that's attached to your luggage , another piece that starts beeping. That can't cost much.


where you have one piece that's attached to your luggage , another piece that starts beeping. That can't cost much.

So that can also easily be integrated because these things are small enough to to hide , so you have one piece , you have to glue somewhere behind your  stick it behind your T_V_ and the other


So that can also easily be integrated because these things are small enough to to hide , so you have one piece , you have to glue somewhere behind your  stick it behind your T_V_ and the other

Pray that you don't accidentally lose that piece.


Pray that you don't accidentally lose that piece.

That'd be tough then.  Well also your remote would uh alarm you if somebody stole you t your television , yeah. Ran off with it without taking the beautiful remote control.


That'd be tough then.  Well also your remote would uh alarm you if somebody stole you t your television , yeah. Ran off with it without taking the beautiful remote control.

So. Are we adding one of these two features ?


That'd be tough then.  Well also your remote would uh alarm you if somebody stole you t your television , yeah. Ran off with it without taking the beautiful remote control.

So. Are we adding one of these two features ?

Let's add one of those features and say yes.


So. Are we adding one of these two features ?

Let's add one of those features and say yes.


Let's add one of those features and say yes.


Two , 'kay. Okay. Are we technologically innovative ?


Two , 'kay. Okay. Are we technologically innovative ?

Uh don't get many mo remote controls with


Uh don't get many mo remote controls with


Uh don't get many mo remote controls with

It's all just stolen technology when it comes down to


It's all just stolen technology when it comes down to


But there's not a lot of yellow , there's not a lotta yellow.


we were kinda forced to take that colour.


we were kinda forced to take that colour.

I don't know that we are that innovative , to tell you the truth.


I don't know that we are that innovative , to tell you the truth.


I don't know that we are that innovative , to tell you the truth.

But how many remotes do you see like this ?


But how many remotes do you see like this ?

If we added the screaming factor  then we go up.


If we added the screaming factor  then we go up.


Yeah well you have that , kind of , sort of.


Yeah. Because it's only got what , these parts are the grips and perhaps the back side  the bottom  the underneath on the back.


Probably a four at most. Possibly even a five.


Probably a four at most. Possibly even a five.

And lastly , did we put the fashion in electronics ?


And lastly , did we put the fashion in electronics ?


If your fashion is b is Carmen Miranda , you betcha.


If your fashion is b is Carmen Miranda , you betcha.

Well the recent fashion is rather displayed in the in the L_C_D_ and the way you operate it than the form and the colour ,


Well the recent fashion is rather displayed in the in the L_C_D_ and the way you operate it than the form and the colour ,


Be what we were told , and they'd say yeah , definitely.


Be what we were told , and they'd say yeah , definitely.

'Kay. Alright. Now we just gotta calculate. Six eight twelve sixteen. Seventeen divided by s


'Kay. Alright. Now we just gotta calculate. Six eight twelve sixteen. Seventeen divided by s


Okay we'll say two point four two. Right ? How does that look ?


Okay we'll say two point four two. Right ? How does that look ?

I'm impressed. I can't do that without a calculator.


I'm impressed. I can't do that without a calculator.


And what what is the acceptable criteria ? Is there like a scale that we have to hit ?


And what what is the acceptable criteria ? Is there like a scale that we have to hit ?

pick my own criteria and have you guys evaluate it  basically.


pick my own criteria and have you guys evaluate it  basically.


Now we get to do the budget numbers. You didn't know that you were gonna have a budget. But we do. Okay.


Now we get to do the budget numbers. You didn't know that you were gonna have a budget. But we do. Okay.

Yeah. Yeah so. You'd been going a long time dividing that. It's two point four two eight five se it just keeps going on.


Yeah. Yeah so. You'd been going a long time dividing that. It's two point four two eight five se it just keeps going on.


We want a fifty percent profit on this. Oh you can't really see that very well.


We want a fifty percent profit on this. Oh you can't really see that very well.

Twelve and a half Euros is what supposed to cost us. Okay , so


Twelve and a half Euros is what supposed to cost us. Okay , so


What the   Oh it won't let me do that. Okay. Alright so at top , I don't know if you guys can read that or not. I can't 'cause I don't have my glasses on ,


What the   Oh it won't let me do that. Okay. Alright so at top , I don't know if you guys can read that or not. I can't 'cause I don't have my glasses on ,

but so we've got the energy source. There's uh four , five , six categories.


What the   Oh it won't let me do that. Okay. Alright so at top , I don't know if you guys can read that or not. I can't 'cause I don't have my glasses on ,

but so we've got the energy source. There's uh four , five , six categories.

We have energy source , electronics , case. Then we have case material supplements , interface type , and then button supplements. Okay so  Uh first of all energy source , we picked battery. Um and how many batteries do we think this will probably take ?


but so we've got the energy source. There's uh four , five , six categories.

We have energy source , electronics , case. Then we have case material supplements , interface type , and then button supplements. Okay so  Uh first of all energy source , we picked battery. Um and how many batteries do we think this will probably take ?


We have energy source , electronics , case. Then we have case material supplements , interface type , and then button supplements. Okay so  Uh first of all energy source , we picked battery. Um and how many batteries do we think this will probably take ?


At four it's gonna be too heavy , so that that's not our problem. People can change it every month.


At four it's gonna be too heavy , so that that's not our problem. People can change it every month.

They won't know until after they bought it.


They won't know until after they bought it.

Alright so for the electronics our choices are simpl simple chip-on-print , regular chip-on-print , advanced chip-on-print , sample sensor , sample speaker.


Alright so for the electronics our choices are simpl simple chip-on-print , regular chip-on-print , advanced chip-on-print , sample sensor , sample speaker.

That's the advanced chip-on-print , yeah.


Alright so for the electronics our choices are simpl simple chip-on-print , regular chip-on-print , advanced chip-on-print , sample sensor , sample speaker.

That's the advanced chip-on-print , yeah.

'Kay ,  we have one of those. 'Kay then the case is a  Probably it's double curved.


That's the advanced chip-on-print , yeah.

'Kay ,  we have one of those. 'Kay then the case is a  Probably it's double curved.


'Kay ,  we have one of those. 'Kay then the case is a  Probably it's double curved.


plastic. Um I guess it's two , since one for the top , one for the bottom.


It's just one mo single mould , we can do that.


I guess it doesn't matter 'cause the price on that one is zero , which is nice.


That's not a special colour. It's a specially ugly colour , but it's not special.


That's not a special colour. It's a specially ugly colour , but it's not special.

Interface type. We have pushbutton , scroll-wheel interface , integrated scroll-wheel pushbutton , and an L_C_D_ display.


Interface type. We have pushbutton , scroll-wheel interface , integrated scroll-wheel pushbutton , and an L_C_D_ display.


'Kay. Button supplement ? Special colour ?


'Kay. Button supplement ? Special colour ?

We could of course make the buttons wood.


We could of course make the buttons wood.


Well we only have one button so really we shouldn't be charged ,


Well we only have one button so really we shouldn't be charged ,

we shouldn't be charged anything for the the button supplements.


we shouldn't be charged anything for the the button supplements.


Okay. We're gonna leave that one blank because we run on a L_C_D_ and scroll. So our total is fifteen point five. Which I believe is


Okay. We're gonna leave that one blank because we run on a L_C_D_ and scroll. So our total is fifteen point five. Which I believe is

It's hard to believe. So we'll go for the hand dynamo huh ?


It's hard to believe. So we'll go for the hand dynamo huh ?

So the only thing better than um a banana-shaped remote is one that you shake.


It's hard to believe. So we'll go for the hand dynamo huh ?

So the only thing better than um a banana-shaped remote is one that you shake.

If it w What if we completely took out the the one single button we've got on.


It's hard to believe. So we'll go for the hand dynamo huh ?

So the only thing better than um a banana-shaped remote is one that you shake.

If it w What if we completely took out the the one single button we've got on.

And just had a scroll wheel interface. And the L_C_D_ display. I suppose the L_C_D_ C_ display's the one that's pushing it up a bit though.


So the only thing better than um a banana-shaped remote is one that you shake.

If it w What if we completely took out the the one single button we've got on.

And just had a scroll wheel interface. And the L_C_D_ display. I suppose the L_C_D_ C_ display's the one that's pushing it up a bit though.


If it w What if we completely took out the the one single button we've got on.

And just had a scroll wheel interface. And the L_C_D_ display. I suppose the L_C_D_ C_ display's the one that's pushing it up a bit though.

Well 'cause we have to have both right ?


And just had a scroll wheel interface. And the L_C_D_ display. I suppose the L_C_D_ C_ display's the one that's pushing it up a bit though.

Well 'cause we have to have both right ?


Well 'cause we have to have both right ?

I mean let's let's face it , it also depends on the software on the on the television.


I mean let's let's face it , it also depends on the software on the on the television.

You can have the the information that this thing transmits be being displayed on the on the screen.


You can have the the information that this thing transmits be being displayed on the on the screen.


You can have the the information that this thing transmits be being displayed on the on the screen.

Yeah you could maybe take out the L_C_D_ dis display even ,


Yeah you could maybe take out the L_C_D_ dis display even ,


Yeah you could maybe take out the L_C_D_ dis display even ,

if it if it comes up on the computer itsel on the T_V_ itself.


if it if it comes up on the computer itsel on the T_V_ itself.


Right. We may not need it. There you go.


Besides look at what the L_C_D_ does to our lovely remote.


Besides look at what the L_C_D_ does to our lovely remote.

So we can just take away a heck of a lot of the


So we can just take away a heck of a lot of the


Okay so the costs under twelve point five Euro. Was no. We redesigned it. Now it's yes.


Okay so the costs under twelve point five Euro. Was no. We redesigned it. Now it's yes.

Next slide. Project evaluation. Uh project process , satisfaction with , for example , room for creativity , leadership , teamwork , means , new ideas found. Um  So  I guess that  Let's see here. I think that perhaps the project evaluation's just supposed to be completed by me. But I'd like to hear your thoughts.


Next slide. Project evaluation. Uh project process , satisfaction with , for example , room for creativity , leadership , teamwork , means , new ideas found. Um  So  I guess that  Let's see here. I think that perhaps the project evaluation's just supposed to be completed by me. But I'd like to hear your thoughts.


Next slide. Project evaluation. Uh project process , satisfaction with , for example , room for creativity , leadership , teamwork , means , new ideas found. Um  So  I guess that  Let's see here. I think that perhaps the project evaluation's just supposed to be completed by me. But I'd like to hear your thoughts.

Uh h what did you think of our project process ?


Uh h what did you think of our project process ?


Uh h what did you think of our project process ?

I think we did  yeah I think we did quite well. Um


I think we did  yeah I think we did quite well. Um


Just half a day , you have a remote. There you go.


Just half a day , you have a remote. There you go.

We sort of knew where we were going straight away I thought.


We sort of knew where we were going straight away I thought.

we st we started off a little little weak. Our leadership was quite weak in the beginning.


We sort of knew where we were going straight away I thought.

we st we started off a little little weak. Our leadership was quite weak in the beginning.

But as the day went along we had more idea of what we were doing. Um room for creativity ? There was that. Um I think we tried a lotta different things and um I think it was um interesting as you guys brought up more um information and studies that we were right on with a lot of those things. Um you guys worked together well as a team. And um the means ? Which was the whiteboard and the pens.


we st we started off a little little weak. Our leadership was quite weak in the beginning.

But as the day went along we had more idea of what we were doing. Um room for creativity ? There was that. Um I think we tried a lotta different things and um I think it was um interesting as you guys brought up more um information and studies that we were right on with a lot of those things. Um you guys worked together well as a team. And um the means ? Which was the whiteboard and the pens.


But as the day went along we had more idea of what we were doing. Um room for creativity ? There was that. Um I think we tried a lotta different things and um I think it was um interesting as you guys brought up more um information and studies that we were right on with a lot of those things. Um you guys worked together well as a team. And um the means ? Which was the whiteboard and the pens.


But as the day went along we had more idea of what we were doing. Um room for creativity ? There was that. Um I think we tried a lotta different things and um I think it was um interesting as you guys brought up more um information and studies that we were right on with a lot of those things. Um you guys worked together well as a team. And um the means ? Which was the whiteboard and the pens.

I had some problem with the pen I think , but  minus your p


I had some problem with the pen I think , but  minus your p


I had some problem with the pen I think , but  minus your p

Well that's not my fault. That's obviously the people I work for uh that work for me ,


Well that's not my fault. That's obviously the people I work for uh that work for me ,


we have a list of employees that you would like fired.


technology. Alright. Closing. Costs are within the budget. Project is evaluated. Um complete the final questionnaire and meeting summary. That's it.


technology. Alright. Closing. Costs are within the budget. Project is evaluated. Um complete the final questionnaire and meeting summary. That's it.

And I still have to do my minutes for the last meeting.


technology. Alright. Closing. Costs are within the budget. Project is evaluated. Um complete the final questionnaire and meeting summary. That's it.

And I still have to do my minutes for the last meeting.

Actually. Um so there will probably be another questionnaire coming up. And then we'll have to check with the main boss whether we can , what goes on after that.


And I still have to do my minutes for the last meeting.

Actually. Um so there will probably be another questionnaire coming up. And then we'll have to check with the main boss whether we can , what goes on after that.


Actually. Um so there will probably be another questionnaire coming up. And then we'll have to check with the main boss whether we can , what goes on after that.


Excellent. So um I sent you the agenda , it was on the  in the project documents. I don't know if you got a chance to just have a look at it. Anyway , it's  the meeting's gonna follow more or less the same structure as last time , so we'll go round each of you in turn and you can give your presentations on what you've been up to. Um and at the end of that we need to discuss what you've come up with , so that we can make a decision on the key remote control concepts , so that's  we need to know about the components' properties , materials , the user interface and any trends that the Marketing Expert has been watching.


so I haven't made a PowerPoint presentation ,


so I haven't made a PowerPoint presentation ,

yeah , I I thought I'll use the whiteboard instead.


yeah , I I thought I'll use the whiteboard instead.


okay , so basically I'll start off by  uh  I thought I'll use the whiteboard because we have so many different options and what we can do is that we can start um uh rubbing off the options that we do not require and putting in the options that uh are m or highlighting or underlining them or something like that.


okay , so basically I'll start off by  uh  I thought I'll use the whiteboard because we have so many different options and what we can do is that we can start um uh rubbing off the options that we do not require and putting in the options that uh are m or highlighting or underlining them or something like that.

Okay , so uh I'll start again with a brief introduction to  connect that anyway  brief introduction to the insides of a remote control


Okay , so uh I'll start again with a brief introduction to  connect that anyway  brief introduction to the insides of a remote control

and uh then we can probably uh discuss the various components. Yeah. Okay , so w what you see here is  so  this is the outside of the remote , right ? If you open it , you have a circuit board here , right ,


and uh then we can probably uh discuss the various components. Yeah. Okay , so w what you see here is  so  this is the outside of the remote , right ? If you open it , you have a circuit board here , right ,

and this is the chip that I was talking about last time. This basically sends information to a tr uh transistor here , which then uh sends the information to an L_E_D_ device here. If you flip the printed circuit board , and this is th the most important point here ,


and this is the chip that I was talking about last time. This basically sends information to a tr uh transistor here , which then uh sends the information to an L_E_D_ device here. If you flip the printed circuit board , and this is th the most important point here ,

uh  everything else is kind of  Okay , so if you flip the circuit board , this is what it looks like. So you see for example a particular button attaches to a particular place on the P_C_B_ and uh


uh  everything else is kind of  Okay , so if you flip the circuit board , this is what it looks like. So you see for example a particular button attaches to a particular place on the P_C_B_ and uh

on pressing this button I  a circuit completes , the information goes to the chip , which is somewhere here and the chip that tra then translates the code into an infra infrared radiation , which goes goes out through there.  So uh the important point that I read over the website was uh that the configurations of these printed circuit circuit boards uh are quite cheap to make , you can ge get them printed as you want to ,


on pressing this button I  a circuit completes , the information goes to the chip , which is somewhere here and the chip that tra then translates the code into an infra infrared radiation , which goes goes out through there.  So uh the important point that I read over the website was uh that the configurations of these printed circuit circuit boards uh are quite cheap to make , you can ge get them printed as you want to ,

so w we can have a configuration um irrespective of the cost , the way we want to have. Right ? So that's the important point here ,


so w we can have a configuration um irrespective of the cost , the way we want to have. Right ? So that's the important point here ,

so these are the different options that we have. Okay. So the batteries , I'll start with the battery , right ?


so these are the different options that we have. Okay. So the batteries , I'll start with the battery , right ?

So they can be simple which is like uh the normal batteries in uh our  uh the cells , yeah ?


So they can be simple which is like uh the normal batteries in uh our  uh the cells , yeah ?

Uh thes these are the kind  different kind of batteries that the company makes , right ? So. And dynamos. Um


Uh thes these are the kind  different kind of batteries that the company makes , right ? So. And dynamos. Um


So uh I don't know if  even if you want to consider this ,


So uh I don't know if  even if you want to consider this ,

but these are the different things that the company makes , so th they'll they'll


So uh I don't know if  even if you want to consider this ,

but these are the different things that the company makes , so th they'll they'll

since uh they'll come internally from the company , they'll be eas uh cheaper , uh all these options.


but these are the different things that the company makes , so th they'll they'll

since uh they'll come internally from the company , they'll be eas uh cheaper , uh all these options.


since uh they'll come internally from the company , they'll be eas uh cheaper , uh all these options.

So  the third one is uh the kinetic energy ones.


since uh they'll come internally from the company , they'll be eas uh cheaper , uh all these options.

So  the third one is uh the kinetic energy ones.

You could make the hand dynamo into an exercise bike , and then people could exercise whilst watching T_V_.


So  the third one is uh the kinetic energy ones.

You could make the hand dynamo into an exercise bike , and then people could exercise whilst watching T_V_.


You could make the hand dynamo into an exercise bike , and then people could exercise whilst watching T_V_.

Yeah , and stop worrying about the whole R_S_I_ from the remote thing , 'cause that's just


Yeah , and stop worrying about the whole R_S_I_ from the remote thing , 'cause that's just


The the kinetic energy one is uh that e uh uh they are usually modern watches , since our hand keeps moving , it keeps the watch ticking.


The the kinetic energy one is uh that e uh uh they are usually modern watches , since our hand keeps moving , it keeps the watch ticking.

But I dunno i if it is a good idea for a remote control , because it'll just lie there for a long while sometimes.


But I dunno i if it is a good idea for a remote control , because it'll just lie there for a long while sometimes.

Mm-hmm. For a remote , 'cause you  Yeah.


But I dunno i if it is a good idea for a remote control , because it'll just lie there for a long while sometimes.

Mm-hmm. For a remote , 'cause you  Yeah.

But as soon as you pick it up it moves and then again it uh re recharges or something.


Mm-hmm. For a remote , 'cause you  Yeah.

But as soon as you pick it up it moves and then again it uh re recharges or something.


But as soon as you pick it up it moves and then again it uh re recharges or something.

And the fourth option is the solar cells , which are also  made by the company.


And the fourth option is the solar cells , which are also  made by the company.


And the fourth option is the solar cells , which are also  made by the company.

Environment friendly. Okay  um so I'll list things and then we can come back and discuss what what we think from uh everybody's perspective.


Environment friendly. Okay  um so I'll list things and then we can come back and discuss what what we think from uh everybody's perspective.

There are different cases that can be provided. They can be  basically the shape of the cases , they can be flat , they can be curved with uh one-sided curved and one side flat ,


There are different cases that can be provided. They can be  basically the shape of the cases , they can be flat , they can be curved with uh one-sided curved and one side flat ,

and they can be curved with  on both the sides.


and they can be curved with  on both the sides.

These are the three options , right ? Um


and they can be curved with  on both the sides.

These are the three options , right ? Um

Um you mean this would be like the the overall shape of the remote control , yeah ,


These are the three options , right ? Um

Um you mean this would be like the the overall shape of the remote control , yeah ,

Yeah , would it be flat on both the sides , would be curved from one side , or whatever


Um you mean this would be like the the overall shape of the remote control , yeah ,

Yeah , would it be flat on both the sides , would be curved from one side , or whatever


Yeah , would it be flat on both the sides , would be curved from one side , or whatever


uh there were different kind of supplements available , um like it can be in plastic , rubber , wood , or titanium , right ?


Yeah , you'll understand why when we get to my presenta .


Yeah , you'll understand why when we get to my presenta .

so uh we can use even um  a certain titanium is also used uh in the company to make uh  uh some space design equipment , so it's kind of um uh it'll be probably nicer to use , because it relates to the overall image of the company , but uh it cannot be used on a double curved surface. If we choose this , we cannot use titanium. For for these two we can use titanium , wood , rubber , or plastic.


so uh we can use even um  a certain titanium is also used uh in the company to make uh  uh some space design equipment , so it's kind of um uh it'll be probably nicer to use , because it relates to the overall image of the company , but uh it cannot be used on a double curved surface. If we choose this , we cannot use titanium. For for these two we can use titanium , wood , rubber , or plastic.


Uh okay , the interface options now. So  we can have push-buttons , like most remotes do and our company is an expert in making push-buttons.


Uh okay , the interface options now. So  we can have push-buttons , like most remotes do and our company is an expert in making push-buttons.

Ooh. Uh we can have scroll wheels like the ones on um uh mouse pointers uh uh


Ooh. Uh we can have scroll wheels like the ones on um uh mouse pointers uh uh


So , and they have  they can even have an an integrated uh push-button inside the scrolling thing.


So , and they have  they can even have an an integrated uh push-button inside the scrolling thing.

The scroll plus push. So this is something that has been recently developed by the company , um  in the last decade , so not too recent. And L_C_D_s , we can have L_C_D_s. So these two are recent and and this is q quite old.


The scroll plus push. So this is something that has been recently developed by the company , um  in the last decade , so not too recent. And L_C_D_s , we can have L_C_D_s. So these two are recent and and this is q quite old.

The various electronic options are um uh  so th this concerns firs first of all the the chips I I showed you at uh  so there's there's a chip behind this one , right ? The P_C_B_ is uh inexpensive , so we can put put in uh whatever we want , but the various integrated circuit options are , we have either a simple one


The various electronic options are um uh  so th this concerns firs first of all the the chips I I showed you at uh  so there's there's a chip behind this one , right ? The P_C_B_ is uh inexpensive , so we can put put in uh whatever we want , but the various integrated circuit options are , we have either a simple one

or a regular or advanced. And uh the price goes up as we go down , obviously.


or a regular or advanced. And uh the price goes up as we go down , obviously.

Um  okay , so the good thing about uh wh wh why why we would want to use advanced u why we might want to use advanced is that L_C_D_s can only come with the advanced chip.


Um  okay , so the good thing about uh wh wh why why we would want to use advanced u why we might want to use advanced is that L_C_D_s can only come with the advanced chip.

Um the  we need regular or advanced for uh scroll wheels. Right ? Um  and the chip basically includes the infra infrared sender.


Um the  we need regular or advanced for uh scroll wheels. Right ? Um  and the chip basically includes the infra infrared sender.

Yeah. Uh besides this in electr under electronics uh also the company has started making a sample sender , which is   did not explained what i what it was , but I'm guessing that uh   so they have a sample sender and a sample speaker. So I'm guessing that uh the sample speaker is probably something like um uh you know , as soon as you press a button , it it mm uh give gives you feedback , one five or whatever. Yeah , on.


Yeah. Uh besides this in electr under electronics uh also the company has started making a sample sender , which is   did not explained what i what it was , but I'm guessing that uh   so they have a sample sender and a sample speaker. So I'm guessing that uh the sample speaker is probably something like um uh you know , as soon as you press a button , it it mm uh give gives you feedback , one five or whatever. Yeah , on.

Um  and uh I dunno whether sample sender sender has to do something with voice recognition or not , but anyway.


Um  and uh I dunno whether sample sender sender has to do something with voice recognition or not , but anyway.

So , these are the different options that we have. Okay , so  th that's that's basically  now now uh I think that uh we can integrate um  uh you know , uh the user interface uh and uh the marketing things in that , keep uh taking out things from this and uh underlining things that are important , yeah.


So , these are the different options that we have. Okay , so  th that's that's basically  now now uh I think that uh we can integrate um  uh you know , uh the user interface uh and uh the marketing things in that , keep uh taking out things from this and uh underlining things that are important , yeah.

Mm-hmm. Excellent. Do you wanna stay somewhere near the board , so that if we need to


Mm-hmm. Excellent. Do you wanna stay somewhere near the board , so that if we need to


Mm-hmm. Excellent. Do you wanna stay somewhere near the board , so that if we need to

you can sit down , but just   we might need you to leap up.


you can sit down , but just   we might need you to leap up.


Do you think these pens can give you cancer of the hand ?


Do you think these pens can give you cancer of the hand ?

No it's got its little camera in there ,  plug it in .


No it's got its little camera in there ,  plug it in .


Okay. Um to be honest actually , I mentioned some some of the things which which could fit on the on the  this talk um this time , I m I mentioned them already in the previous talk.


Okay. Um to be honest actually , I mentioned some some of the things which which could fit on the on the  this talk um this time , I m I mentioned them already in the previous talk.

So um yeah , this time um I might not have them on the slides but I  I can just mention them aw again.


So um yeah , this time um I might not have them on the slides but I  I can just mention them aw again.

Okay. So um I thought um I would also include the definition of user interface um so it's the aspects of a of of a computer system or programme which can be seen uh by the user um and and which  uh the mechanisms that the user uses to control its operation and input data. So this would p includes things like shape and size and buttons and um voice recognition as well , and colour , and so on.


Okay. So um I thought um I would also include the definition of user interface um so it's the aspects of a of of a computer system or programme which can be seen uh by the user um and and which  uh the mechanisms that the user uses to control its operation and input data. So this would p includes things like shape and size and buttons and um voice recognition as well , and colour , and so on.

Um um the method I  employed this time was  a again having a look to related products and mainly on the internet and then  um  analyse them uh from the point of view of user fen friendliness and  also um  whether their appearance was was pleasant. Um  and then um  this uh this um  this can help us to decide which features we want to incorporate in our product.


Um um the method I  employed this time was  a again having a look to related products and mainly on the internet and then  um  analyse them uh from the point of view of user fen friendliness and  also um  whether their appearance was was pleasant. Um  and then um  this uh this um  this can help us to decide which features we want to incorporate in our product.

So some findings um  um. So in in the case of many user interfaces , they're just so full of buttons that it's actually uh hard to find the ones you you really um want to use and um and it's just confusing , it takes y know time to learn. Um  okay , and I thought I would just quickly show some of them that I found. Okay , some of them are here.


Um um the method I  employed this time was  a again having a look to related products and mainly on the internet and then  um  analyse them uh from the point of view of user fen friendliness and  also um  whether their appearance was was pleasant. Um  and then um  this uh this um  this can help us to decide which features we want to incorporate in our product.

So some findings um  um. So in in the case of many user interfaces , they're just so full of buttons that it's actually uh hard to find the ones you you really um want to use and um and it's just confusing , it takes y know time to learn. Um  okay , and I thought I would just quickly show some of them that I found. Okay , some of them are here.

Um  well the picture is not very clear , but as you can see , there are actu oi , oh oh oh ,


So some findings um  um. So in in the case of many user interfaces , they're just so full of buttons that it's actually uh hard to find the ones you you really um want to use and um and it's just confusing , it takes y know time to learn. Um  okay , and I thought I would just quickly show some of them that I found. Okay , some of them are here.

Um  well the picture is not very clear , but as you can see , there are actu oi , oh oh oh ,


Um  well the picture is not very clear , but as you can see , there are actu oi , oh oh oh ,

Ah , no , please. Okay , so yeah , they're quite big and have many many buttons. Actually  of the  of all these I personally p prefer this one , because it's it's the smallest and and with with least  uh with the smallest number of buttons as well. And I would say even the appearance of some of them is kind of not so nice.


Ah , no , please. Okay , so yeah , they're quite big and have many many buttons. Actually  of the  of all these I personally p prefer this one , because it's it's the smallest and and with with least  uh with the smallest number of buttons as well. And I would say even the appearance of some of them is kind of not so nice.


Ah , no , please. Okay , so yeah , they're quite big and have many many buttons. Actually  of the  of all these I personally p prefer this one , because it's it's the smallest and and with with least  uh with the smallest number of buttons as well. And I would say even the appearance of some of them is kind of not so nice.

Um okay. So let's carry on with this. Um  So uh um o other findings  um some new things um used , uh some of them were mentioned already by our Technical um Designer uh.  Our own company has developed a new in user interface  uh wait , no this is not the one. Okay , there is a   we can uh include voice recognition and um it allows  i it's possible to record eighty different voice samples on it.


Um okay. So let's carry on with this. Um  So uh um o other findings  um some new things um used , uh some of them were mentioned already by our Technical um Designer uh.  Our own company has developed a new in user interface  uh wait , no this is not the one. Okay , there is a   we can uh include voice recognition and um it allows  i it's possible to record eighty different voice samples on it.


Um okay. So let's carry on with this. Um  So uh um o other findings  um some new things um used , uh some of them were mentioned already by our Technical um Designer uh.  Our own company has developed a new in user interface  uh wait , no this is not the one. Okay , there is a   we can uh include voice recognition and um it allows  i it's possible to record eighty different voice samples on it.

Uh so uh this uh this one was already mentioned uh the L_C_ display.


Uh so uh this uh this one was already mentioned uh the L_C_ display.


Uh so uh this uh this one was already mentioned uh the L_C_ display.

Um s another new development is a scroll button , which was also th also already mentioned. And uh our own manufacturing division ha has uh designed  a new um   uh programmable speech uh  mm sorry uh speaker unit I guess it's  it should be.


Um s another new development is a scroll button , which was also th also already mentioned. And uh our own manufacturing division ha has uh designed  a new um   uh programmable speech uh  mm sorry uh speaker unit I guess it's  it should be.

Um and this means that um once uh uh it it it comes together with a voice recognition , but it's  once once the mm  um gadget uh recognises uh the voice of the speaker , there can be a um pre-programmed answer , for example , you can pick up the remote control and say something to it like hello and it says some hello and your name or whatever.


Um and this means that um once uh uh it it it comes together with a voice recognition , but it's  once once the mm  um gadget uh recognises uh the voice of the speaker , there can be a um pre-programmed answer , for example , you can pick up the remote control and say something to it like hello and it says some hello and your name or whatever.


Um and this means that um once uh uh it it it comes together with a voice recognition , but it's  once once the mm  um gadget uh recognises uh the voice of the speaker , there can be a um pre-programmed answer , for example , you can pick up the remote control and say something to it like hello and it says some hello and your name or whatever.

So  I mean this is also one of the n dev new developments which we might consider if we wanted to include.


So  I mean this is also one of the n dev new developments which we might consider if we wanted to include.

Uh sorry , uh can you go back for a second ? Um  uh are you sure wha what this means , a spinning wheel with the L_C_ display ? Uh  oh yeah are th


So  I mean this is also one of the n dev new developments which we might consider if we wanted to include.

Uh sorry , uh can you go back for a second ? Um  uh are you sure wha what this means , a spinning wheel with the L_C_ display ? Uh  oh yeah are th

It's like the  like you said , no ? The scroll scroll wheel.


Uh sorry , uh can you go back for a second ? Um  uh are you sure wha what this means , a spinning wheel with the L_C_ display ? Uh  oh yeah are th

It's like the  like you said , no ? The scroll scroll wheel.

No no , the scroll button is a different thing. I I have a picture if you   just a moment , I'll  I'll show you. I wasn't completely sure myself , but I think it's just like um  it's it's a wheel , it's like not separate buttons.


It's like the  like you said , no ? The scroll scroll wheel.

No no , the scroll button is a different thing. I I have a picture if you   just a moment , I'll  I'll show you. I wasn't completely sure myself , but I think it's just like um  it's it's a wheel , it's like not separate buttons.


No no , the scroll button is a different thing. I I have a picture if you   just a moment , I'll  I'll show you. I wasn't completely sure myself , but I think it's just like um  it's it's a wheel , it's like not separate buttons.


But I'm I'm not really sure whether whether you can really turn it round ,


It's like it's like where you  you know how you have your your mouse , and y you go round and i it's kind of like that and you spin round


So instead of going down you just spin  yeah , yeah.


So instead of going down you just spin  yeah , yeah.

and it is a bit weird at first , but it's actually very like fast.


and it is a bit weird at first , but it's actually very like fast.


and it is a bit weird at first , but it's actually very like fast.

I like the the wheels that click on the side you you get 'em much slower ,


I like the the wheels that click on the side you you get 'em much slower ,

so it's quite good if you like searching quite a lot of stuff.


so it's quite good if you like searching quite a lot of stuff.

Do you know , if you're lookin if you're th scrolling through the A_ to Z_ of your music and you're looking for something at T_ , then it's a lot faster than the wheel ,


Do you know , if you're lookin if you're th scrolling through the A_ to Z_ of your music and you're looking for something at T_ , then it's a lot faster than the wheel ,


but you've got a lot less control over it.


but you've got a lot less control over it.

Right. So maybe I should include that here as well ,


Right. So maybe I should include that here as well ,


Okay , and the personal preferences are pretty much the same as as as last time.


Okay , and the personal preferences are pretty much the same as as as last time.

It  it has to be small , simple. Okay , we decided to include voice recognition , so to have the standard uh major buttons like on , off , um ch the channels and and then um volume and then the rest would be a menu on the screen. Um and I I also thought uh  if we want to keep it small and nice um and actually I I quite like the idea of a scroll a scrolling button , I thought it could be for for voice like , I dunno , it mm like on a um i like it used to be on Walkmans or something. There is  uh I think there is no reason why we couldn't use something like this for for the remote control.


It  it has to be small , simple. Okay , we decided to include voice recognition , so to have the standard uh major buttons like on , off , um ch the channels and and then um volume and then the rest would be a menu on the screen. Um and I I also thought uh  if we want to keep it small and nice um and actually I I quite like the idea of a scroll a scrolling button , I thought it could be for for voice like , I dunno , it mm like on a um i like it used to be on Walkmans or something. There is  uh I think there is no reason why we couldn't use something like this for for the remote control.


Excellent. Okay , straight to trends , and then we can discuss it all at once.


Excellent. Okay , straight to trends , and then we can discuss it all at once.

Okay , I've put the copy of the presentation in um the


Okay , I've put the copy of the presentation in um the


Okay , I've put the copy of the presentation in um the

Excellent. If you two could both do that as well , in case we need to refer to it.


Excellent. If you two could both do that as well , in case we need to refer to it.


Fabulous. Okay , cool. Um so what I did was to search the internet to come up with market trends and you know what users are gonna be wanting in the the near future.


Fabulous. Okay , cool. Um so what I did was to search the internet to come up with market trends and you know what users are gonna be wanting in the the near future.

Okay. Right. Now , the first aspect is apparently twice as important as the second aspect , which is twice as important as the third a aspect. So , I mean the the easy to use thing is fairly low down on the


Okay. Right. Now , the first aspect is apparently twice as important as the second aspect , which is twice as important as the third a aspect. So , I mean the the easy to use thing is fairly low down on the


Okay. Right. Now , the first aspect is apparently twice as important as the second aspect , which is twice as important as the third a aspect. So , I mean the the easy to use thing is fairly low down on the

which I think given the target group is what you would expect , really.


which I think given the target group is what you would expect , really.


which I think given the target group is what you would expect , really.

Um , you know , people want something new , something technologically innovative and different , so the whole idea with the L_C_D_s and the spinning and the colours and the voice recognition is quite like , quite the thing to go for.


Um , you know , people want something new , something technologically innovative and different , so the whole idea with the L_C_D_s and the spinning and the colours and the voice recognition is quite like , quite the thing to go for.

And um , yeah it wants to look fancy , fancy look and feel.


And um , yeah it wants to look fancy , fancy look and feel.

So um  uh maybe uh as you're discussing things , is it okay if we just uh keep highlighting things here ?


So um  uh maybe uh as you're discussing things , is it okay if we just uh keep highlighting things here ?


so probably voice recognition is is kind of important , right ?


yeah. Okay , I I have a point about L_C_D_ ,


yeah. Okay , I I have a point about L_C_D_ ,

so that means we need an advanced thing.


yeah. Okay , I I have a point about L_C_D_ ,

so that means we need an advanced thing.

I dunno if it is the right point to take it up. W uh L_C_D_s are basically for feedback , right , to the user who's pressing buttons ,


so that means we need an advanced thing.

I dunno if it is the right point to take it up. W uh L_C_D_s are basically for feedback , right , to the user who's pressing buttons ,


I dunno if it is the right point to take it up. W uh L_C_D_s are basically for feedback , right , to the user who's pressing buttons ,

and the feedback can come through television itself , so do we need an L_C_D_ on the remote ?


and the feedback can come through television itself , so do we need an L_C_D_ on the remote ?

Depends how fast your television runs , really , don't don't you think ? I mean we've got one of those um Telewest boxes


and the feedback can come through television itself , so do we need an L_C_D_ on the remote ?

Depends how fast your television runs , really , don't don't you think ? I mean we've got one of those um Telewest boxes

and you put the number in the remote and then you wait and then it goes to the T_V_ and then you wait , and then it comes , so i it actually takes quite a long time. And if you get the number in wrong , then it's a bit of a pain ,


Depends how fast your television runs , really , don't don't you think ? I mean we've got one of those um Telewest boxes

and you put the number in the remote and then you wait and then it goes to the T_V_ and then you wait , and then it comes , so i it actually takes quite a long time. And if you get the number in wrong , then it's a bit of a pain ,


and you put the number in the remote and then you wait and then it goes to the T_V_ and then you wait , and then it comes , so i it actually takes quite a long time. And if you get the number in wrong , then it's a bit of a pain ,


and you put the number in the remote and then you wait and then it goes to the T_V_ and then you wait , and then it comes , so i it actually takes quite a long time. And if you get the number in wrong , then it's a bit of a pain ,

so I think , you know , a screen on the remote would probably cut down your time on that. But like remotes do tend to get f thrown about a bit.


so I think , you know , a screen on the remote would probably cut down your time on that. But like remotes do tend to get f thrown about a bit.


so I think , you know , a screen on the remote would probably cut down your time on that. But like remotes do tend to get f thrown about a bit.

It it is also quite nice though to to have something here so you don't interrupt the picture on the screen ,


It it is also quite nice though to to have something here so you don't interrupt the picture on the screen ,


And i it would be like  I mean if you could make it integrate with the T_V_ then it could come up with new information about what's on , and you could just see that on the remote rather than


And i it would be like  I mean if you could make it integrate with the T_V_ then it could come up with new information about what's on , and you could just see that on the remote rather than

Yeah. Rather than having to interrupt your viewing pleasure.


Yeah. Rather than having to interrupt your viewing pleasure.

But um I think maybe a way to do it would be a similar way to how you have your mobile phone , you know , like you have the slidey ones and you have the flippy ones and then the screen's protected so it doesn't actually get scratched.


But um I think maybe a way to do it would be a similar way to how you have your mobile phone , you know , like you have the slidey ones and you have the flippy ones and then the screen's protected so it doesn't actually get scratched.


But um I think maybe a way to do it would be a similar way to how you have your mobile phone , you know , like you have the slidey ones and you have the flippy ones and then the screen's protected so it doesn't actually get scratched.

So you can have like what looks like a normal remote control , you know or like a minimalist remote control.


So you can have like what looks like a normal remote control , you know or like a minimalist remote control.


So you can have like what looks like a normal remote control , you know or like a minimalist remote control.

So you got your buttons one to nine , your on and off and your volume on that


So you got your buttons one to nine , your on and off and your volume on that

and then if you want to mess about with it , you flip it open and ,


and then if you want to mess about with it , you flip it open and ,


So now we seem to have a consensus that L_C_D_s are definitely the way to go because of style and


So now we seem to have a consensus that L_C_D_s are definitely the way to go because of style and

Yeah , so that kind of decides your whole chip thing.


Yeah , so that kind of decides your whole chip thing.


Cool. Okay , apparently , fruit and vegetables will be providing inspiration.


Cool. Okay , apparently , fruit and vegetables will be providing inspiration.

Sorry , I discovered clip art.  Um so these will be an important feature for clothes , shoes and furniture. So I mean , I'm taking this to mean , you know , curviness. Do you know ? 'Cause you don't tend to get flat vegetables. You know ?


Sorry , I discovered clip art.  Um so these will be an important feature for clothes , shoes and furniture. So I mean , I'm taking this to mean , you know , curviness. Do you know ? 'Cause you don't tend to get flat vegetables. You know ?


But that would be a good way to to get in the whole um R_S_I_ issue in there ,


But that would be a good way to to get in the whole um R_S_I_ issue in there ,

because  I mean if you think most people use the remote control with their right hand ha right hands


because  I mean if you think most people use the remote control with their right hand ha right hands

so you wanna  you curve it so that it's suitable for use with the right hand.


so you wanna  you curve it so that it's suitable for use with the right hand.


, I'm not quite sure about the relevance of material will be spongy.  Um


but there is a problem that I forgot to discuss with the  um with using


but there is a problem that I forgot to discuss with the  um with using

Well I suppose you wouldn't get a remote uh  an electric shock off your remote control if it was made of rubber.


but there is a problem that I forgot to discuss with the  um with using

Well I suppose you wouldn't get a remote uh  an electric shock off your remote control if it was made of rubber.

Yeah , and it'd help if you drop it , it protects it as well.


Well I suppose you wouldn't get a remote uh  an electric shock off your remote control if it was made of rubber.

Yeah , and it'd help if you drop it , it protects it as well.


Yeah , and it'd help if you drop it , it protects it as well.

So if if we use uh latex cases , they won't allow us to use solar cells , as an energy source that is the constraint ,


So if if we use uh latex cases , they won't allow us to use solar cells , as an energy source that is the constraint ,


So if if we use uh latex cases , they won't allow us to use solar cells , as an energy source that is the constraint ,

so um we could use  titanium , wood or plastic uh or uh


So if if we use uh latex cases , they won't allow us to use solar cells , as an energy source that is the constraint ,

so um we could use  titanium , wood or plastic uh or uh

Or if we want to use the the latex , then we have to go with one of the other um power things.


so um we could use  titanium , wood or plastic uh or uh

Or if we want to use the the latex , then we have to go with one of the other um power things.


so um we could use  titanium , wood or plastic uh or uh

Or if we want to use the the latex , then we have to go with one of the other um power things.

If it's made of rubber you could get the kinetic energy fairly easily there ,


Or if we want to use the the latex , then we have to go with one of the other um power things.

If it's made of rubber you could get the kinetic energy fairly easily there ,


If it's made of rubber you could get the kinetic energy fairly easily there ,


You can have it as like a little ball to bounce , that flips open.


You can have it as like a little ball to bounce , that flips open.

Mm. So probably double curved surface is the way to go , yeah , .


Mm. So probably double curved surface is the way to go , yeah , .


Mm. So probably double curved surface is the way to go , yeah , .

Or or curved at one end and flat on the top , because I I'm not sure if it is flat on both both the sides , then ho how much easy would it be to reach for buttons , etcetera. Um


Or or curved at one end and flat on the top , because I I'm not sure if it is flat on both both the sides , then ho how much easy would it be to reach for buttons , etcetera. Um

You have to have a certain element of flatness , I think.


Or or curved at one end and flat on the top , because I I'm not sure if it is flat on both both the sides , then ho how much easy would it be to reach for buttons , etcetera. Um

You have to have a certain element of flatness , I think.

It it depends on the whole ergonomics of it , you know , it's like how you put your hands so y it's the least movement basically.


You have to have a certain element of flatness , I think.

It it depends on the whole ergonomics of it , you know , it's like how you put your hands so y it's the least movement basically.

Yeah. Yeah , singe single side curved or double side curved does not say too much , does it ?


It it depends on the whole ergonomics of it , you know , it's like how you put your hands so y it's the least movement basically.

Yeah. Yeah , singe single side curved or double side curved does not say too much , does it ?


Yeah. Yeah , singe single side curved or double side curved does not say too much , does it ?

No , I d I don't think it makes a lot of difference. I I have one of those s slidey phones and I mean the back is essentially straight ,


No , I d I don't think it makes a lot of difference. I I have one of those s slidey phones and I mean the back is essentially straight ,


Besides , you have four sides to a thing , so I mean does curved one side mean one side is straight


Besides , you have four sides to a thing , so I mean does curved one side mean one side is straight

and , you know curved two sides means the whole thing is just a big curvy p thing ?


and , you know curved two sides means the whole thing is just a big curvy p thing ?

Right. Di now did it say anywhere in your research material about this sliding stuff uh


and , you know curved two sides means the whole thing is just a big curvy p thing ?

Right. Di now did it say anywhere in your research material about this sliding stuff uh

because um  according to the information that I have , I think uh the onl only options that we have with the case is  are these three. Uh eith either we have uh a flat surfaced uh case or a curved surfaced case.


Right. Di now did it say anywhere in your research material about this sliding stuff uh

because um  according to the information that I have , I think uh the onl only options that we have with the case is  are these three. Uh eith either we have uh a flat surfaced uh case or a curved surfaced case.


because um  according to the information that I have , I think uh the onl only options that we have with the case is  are these three. Uh eith either we have uh a flat surfaced uh case or a curved surfaced case.

It does not say anything about uh whether technically , you know , this this stuff is available at all.


It does not say anything about uh whether technically , you know , this this stuff is available at all.

Yeah. Uh it's it's more about the protecting the L_C_D_ , which I think is where it came from.


Yeah. Uh it's it's more about the protecting the L_C_D_ , which I think is where it came from.

But no , my research didn't tell me anything , which is why we have all the pictures ,


Yeah. Uh it's it's more about the protecting the L_C_D_ , which I think is where it came from.

But no , my research didn't tell me anything , which is why we have all the pictures ,

'cause I had nothing better to do with my time.


But no , my research didn't tell me anything , which is why we have all the pictures ,

'cause I had nothing better to do with my time.


'cause I had nothing better to do with my time.


Uh combine style with a level of functionality , um beauty and practicality and a thing of beauty and p function.


Looking at what we've got , we we want an L_C_D_ display with a spinning wheel.


Looking at what we've got , we we want an L_C_D_ display with a spinning wheel.

Yeah. Let's let's try to r rub off things and


Yeah. Let's let's try to r rub off things and

hand dynamos are definitely out , right ?  You you got a wind  dynamo , yeah.


hand dynamos are definitely out , right ?  You you got a wind  dynamo , yeah.


hand dynamos are definitely out , right ?  You you got a wind  dynamo , yeah.

it's not  that's not streamlined and sexy ,  having a having a wind up.


it's not  that's not streamlined and sexy ,  having a having a wind up.

Okay. Um  kinetic energy does seem to have some kind of uh uh appeal ,


Okay. Um  kinetic energy does seem to have some kind of uh uh appeal ,

It's about the practicality of it really , isn't it ? You know ?


It's about the practicality of it really , isn't it ? You know ?

Yeah. As against a watch , which constantly keeps moving ,


It's about the practicality of it really , isn't it ? You know ?

Yeah. As against a watch , which constantly keeps moving ,

this this thing will have to be tapped every time , which which might be very frustrating for the user.


Yeah. As against a watch , which constantly keeps moving ,

this this thing will have to be tapped every time , which which might be very frustrating for the user.

Depends how much how much movement it really needs.


this this thing will have to be tapped every time , which which might be very frustrating for the user.

Depends how much how much movement it really needs.

Kinetic energy it needs  I don't have too much technical information on that ,


this this thing will have to be tapped every time , which which might be very frustrating for the user.

Depends how much how much movement it really needs.

Kinetic energy it needs  I don't have too much technical information on that ,

Pr presumably if they're suggesting it , then we could use it.


Depends how much how much movement it really needs.

Kinetic energy it needs  I don't have too much technical information on that ,

Pr presumably if they're suggesting it , then we could use it.

yeah , right. Okay , let's keep it option uh keep an option ,


Kinetic energy it needs  I don't have too much technical information on that ,

Pr presumably if they're suggesting it , then we could use it.

yeah , right. Okay , let's keep it option uh keep an option ,


Pr presumably if they're suggesting it , then we could use it.

yeah , right. Okay , let's keep it option uh keep an option ,

yeah. Um  the flat co completely flat case is definitely out , right ? It has to be at least curved from one side , yeah.


yeah , right. Okay , let's keep it option uh keep an option ,

yeah. Um  the flat co completely flat case is definitely out , right ? It has to be at least curved from one side , yeah.


yeah. Um  the flat co completely flat case is definitely out , right ? It has to be at least curved from one side , yeah.


Um  okay , we still have all all the options. Wood , do you think wood will be a good idea ?


Um  okay , we still have all all the options. Wood , do you think wood will be a good idea ?

N wood is  I can't n  how do you uh I mean you can't keep it really small uh


N wood is  I can't n  how do you uh I mean you can't keep it really small uh


I can't imagine a m wooden remote control.


I can't imagine a m wooden remote control.

The wood thing. Because you need to you n you need to put all the technology in , so I mean if the case  you add the case and it it becomes a bit bulky


I can't imagine a m wooden remote control.

The wood thing. Because you need to you n you need to put all the technology in , so I mean if the case  you add the case and it it becomes a bit bulky

Yeah  if if it is really thin if it is really thin it it's likely to break ,


The wood thing. Because you need to you n you need to put all the technology in , so I mean if the case  you add the case and it it becomes a bit bulky

Yeah  if if it is really thin if it is really thin it it's likely to break ,


Yeah  if if it is really thin if it is really thin it it's likely to break ,


Yeah , and given that we're we're looking at more spongy material preferences , I ha would think maybe rubber or plastic is more


It's it's not  a practical  I mean it's it's alright for a table , but for a remote control , you know.


It just m doesn't make any sense , I think is the thing with wood.


It just m doesn't make any sense , I think is the thing with wood.

Yeah , yeah , in the case of remote control not really.


It just m doesn't make any sense , I think is the thing with wood.

Yeah , yeah , in the case of remote control not really.

Okay , now for the really interesting stuff , the interface.


Yeah , yeah , in the case of remote control not really.

Okay , now for the really interesting stuff , the interface.