Oh well that 's   That 's a pretty good  point right there.


I would think that you might wanna do something like uh you know , look at a few points to see where you are starting to get significant search errors.


I would think that you might wanna do something like uh you know , look at a few points to see where you are starting to get significant search errors.

so  That 's  Right. Well , what I was gonna do is I was gonna take um a couple of the utterances that he had run through , then run them through again but modify the pruning threshold and see if it you know , affects the score.


I would think that you might wanna do something like uh you know , look at a few points to see where you are starting to get significant search errors.

so  That 's  Right. Well , what I was gonna do is I was gonna take um a couple of the utterances that he had run through , then run them through again but modify the pruning threshold and see if it you know , affects the score.

Yeah. Yeah. But I mean you could  uh if  if  if that looks promising you could , you know , r uh run  the overall test set with a  with a few different uh pruning thresholds for both ,


so  That 's  Right. Well , what I was gonna do is I was gonna take um a couple of the utterances that he had run through , then run them through again but modify the pruning threshold and see if it you know , affects the score.

Yeah. Yeah. But I mean you could  uh if  if  if that looks promising you could , you know , r uh run  the overall test set with a  with a few different uh pruning thresholds for both ,

and presumably he 's running at some pruning threshold that 's  that 's uh , you know  gets very few search errors


Yeah. Yeah. But I mean you could  uh if  if  if that looks promising you could , you know , r uh run  the overall test set with a  with a few different uh pruning thresholds for both ,

and presumably he 's running at some pruning threshold that 's  that 's uh , you know  gets very few search errors


and presumably he 's running at some pruning threshold that 's  that 's uh , you know  gets very few search errors


and presumably he 's running at some pruning threshold that 's  that 's uh , you know  gets very few search errors

Mm - hmm. Right. I mean , yeah , generally in these things you  you turn back pruning really far ,


Mm - hmm. Right. I mean , yeah , generally in these things you  you turn back pruning really far ,


Mm - hmm. Right. I mean , yeah , generally in these things you  you turn back pruning really far ,

so I  I didn't think it would be that big a deal because I was figuring well you have it turned back so far that you know it


Mm - hmm. Right. I mean , yeah , generally in these things you  you turn back pruning really far ,

so I  I didn't think it would be that big a deal because I was figuring well you have it turned back so far that you know it

But you may be in the wrong range for the P L P features for some reason.


so I  I didn't think it would be that big a deal because I was figuring well you have it turned back so far that you know it

But you may be in the wrong range for the P L P features for some reason.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And the uh the  the run time of the recognizer on the PLP features is longer which sort of implies that the networks are bushier , you know , there 's more things it 's considering which goes along with the fact that the matches aren't as good. So uh , you know , it could be that we 're just pruning too much.


But you may be in the wrong range for the P L P features for some reason.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And the uh the  the run time of the recognizer on the PLP features is longer which sort of implies that the networks are bushier , you know , there 's more things it 's considering which goes along with the fact that the matches aren't as good. So uh , you know , it could be that we 're just pruning too much.


Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And the uh the  the run time of the recognizer on the PLP features is longer which sort of implies that the networks are bushier , you know , there 's more things it 's considering which goes along with the fact that the matches aren't as good. So uh , you know , it could be that we 're just pruning too much.

Yeah , maybe just be different kind of distributions and  and


Yeah , maybe just be different kind of distributions and  and


Yeah , maybe just be different kind of distributions and  and

yeah so that 's another possible thing. They  they should  really shouldn't


yeah so that 's another possible thing. They  they should  really shouldn't

There 's no particular reason why they would be exactly  behave exactly the same.


There 's no particular reason why they would be exactly  behave exactly the same.


There 's no particular reason why they would be exactly  behave exactly the same.

So. There 's lots of little differences.


So. There 's lots of little differences.


Yeah. I guess this was a little bit off topic , I guess , because I was  I was thinking in terms of th this as being a  a  a  a core  item that once we  once we had it going we would use for a number of the front - end things also.


yeah , well I  tried this mean subtraction method.


yeah , well I  tried this mean subtraction method.

Um. Due to Avendano ,  I 'm taking s um  six seconds of speech , um  I 'm using two second  FFT analysis frames ,  stepped by a half second so it 's a quarter length step and I   I take that frame and four f the four  I take  Sorry , I take the current frame and the four past frames and the  four future frames and that adds up to six seconds of speech. And I calculate um  the spectral mean ,  of the log magnitude spectrum  over that N. I use that to normalize the s the current center frame  by mean subtraction. And I then  then I move to the next frame and I   I do it again. Well , actually I calculate all the means first and then I do the subtraction. And um  the  I tried that with HDK , the Aurora setup of HDK training on clean TI - digits , and um  it  it helped um in a phony reverberation case um  where I just used the simulated impulse response um  the error rate went from something like eighty it was from something like eighteen percent  to um four percent. And on meeting rec recorder far mike digits , mike  on channel F , it went from um   forty - one percent error to eight percent error.


yeah , well I  tried this mean subtraction method.

Um. Due to Avendano ,  I 'm taking s um  six seconds of speech , um  I 'm using two second  FFT analysis frames ,  stepped by a half second so it 's a quarter length step and I   I take that frame and four f the four  I take  Sorry , I take the current frame and the four past frames and the  four future frames and that adds up to six seconds of speech. And I calculate um  the spectral mean ,  of the log magnitude spectrum  over that N. I use that to normalize the s the current center frame  by mean subtraction. And I then  then I move to the next frame and I   I do it again. Well , actually I calculate all the means first and then I do the subtraction. And um  the  I tried that with HDK , the Aurora setup of HDK training on clean TI - digits , and um  it  it helped um in a phony reverberation case um  where I just used the simulated impulse response um  the error rate went from something like eighty it was from something like eighteen percent  to um four percent. And on meeting rec recorder far mike digits , mike  on channel F , it went from um   forty - one percent error to eight percent error.

On  on the real data , not with artificial reverb ?


Um. Due to Avendano ,  I 'm taking s um  six seconds of speech , um  I 'm using two second  FFT analysis frames ,  stepped by a half second so it 's a quarter length step and I   I take that frame and four f the four  I take  Sorry , I take the current frame and the four past frames and the  four future frames and that adds up to six seconds of speech. And I calculate um  the spectral mean ,  of the log magnitude spectrum  over that N. I use that to normalize the s the current center frame  by mean subtraction. And I then  then I move to the next frame and I   I do it again. Well , actually I calculate all the means first and then I do the subtraction. And um  the  I tried that with HDK , the Aurora setup of HDK training on clean TI - digits , and um  it  it helped um in a phony reverberation case um  where I just used the simulated impulse response um  the error rate went from something like eighty it was from something like eighteen percent  to um four percent. And on meeting rec recorder far mike digits , mike  on channel F , it went from um   forty - one percent error to eight percent error.

On  on the real data , not with artificial reverb ?


On  on the real data , not with artificial reverb ?

And that  that was um  trained on clean speech only , which I 'm guessing is the reason why the baseline was so bad. And


And that  that was um  trained on clean speech only , which I 'm guessing is the reason why the baseline was so bad. And

That 's ac actually a little side point is I think that 's the first results that we have uh uh uh of any sort on the far field uh  on  on the far field data uh for  recorded in  in meetings.


And that  that was um  trained on clean speech only , which I 'm guessing is the reason why the baseline was so bad. And

That 's ac actually a little side point is I think that 's the first results that we have uh uh uh of any sort on the far field uh  on  on the far field data uh for  recorded in  in meetings.

Oh um actually um Adam ran the SRI recognizer.


That 's ac actually a little side point is I think that 's the first results that we have uh uh uh of any sort on the far field uh  on  on the far field data uh for  recorded in  in meetings.

Oh um actually um Adam ran the SRI recognizer.

On the far field also. He did one PZM channel and one PDA channel.


Oh um actually um Adam ran the SRI recognizer.

On the far field also. He did one PZM channel and one PDA channel.

Oh did he ? Oh ! I didn't recall that. What kind of numbers was he getting with that ?


On the far field also. He did one PZM channel and one PDA channel.

Oh did he ? Oh ! I didn't recall that. What kind of numbers was he getting with that ?

I   I 'm not sure , I think it was about five percent error for the PZM channel.


Oh did he ? Oh ! I didn't recall that. What kind of numbers was he getting with that ?

I   I 'm not sure , I think it was about five percent error for the PZM channel.


I   I 'm not sure , I think it was about five percent error for the PZM channel.

So why were you getting forty - one here ? Is this


So why were you getting forty - one here ? Is this

Um. I  I 'm g I 'm guessing it was the  the training data. Uh , clean TI - digits is , like , pretty pristine  training data , and if they trained  the SRI system on this TV broadcast type stuff , I think it 's a much wider range of channels and it


So why were you getting forty - one here ? Is this

Um. I  I 'm g I 'm guessing it was the  the training data. Uh , clean TI - digits is , like , pretty pristine  training data , and if they trained  the SRI system on this TV broadcast type stuff , I think it 's a much wider range of channels and it

No , but wait a minute. I  I  I th  I think he  What am I saying here ? Yeah , so that was the SRI system. Maybe you 're right. Yeah. Cuz it was getting like one percent   So it 's still this kind of ratio. It was  it was getting one percent or something on the near field. Wasn't it ?


So why were you getting forty - one here ? Is this

Um. I  I 'm g I 'm guessing it was the  the training data. Uh , clean TI - digits is , like , pretty pristine  training data , and if they trained  the SRI system on this TV broadcast type stuff , I think it 's a much wider range of channels and it

No , but wait a minute. I  I  I th  I think he  What am I saying here ? Yeah , so that was the SRI system. Maybe you 're right. Yeah. Cuz it was getting like one percent   So it 's still this kind of ratio. It was  it was getting one percent or something on the near field. Wasn't it ?

Mm - hmm , or it wa a it was around one.


Um. I  I 'm g I 'm guessing it was the  the training data. Uh , clean TI - digits is , like , pretty pristine  training data , and if they trained  the SRI system on this TV broadcast type stuff , I think it 's a much wider range of channels and it

No , but wait a minute. I  I  I th  I think he  What am I saying here ? Yeah , so that was the SRI system. Maybe you 're right. Yeah. Cuz it was getting like one percent   So it 's still this kind of ratio. It was  it was getting one percent or something on the near field. Wasn't it ?

Mm - hmm , or it wa a it was around one.

Yeah. Yeah. I think it was getting around one percent for the near  for the n for the close mike.


No , but wait a minute. I  I  I th  I think he  What am I saying here ? Yeah , so that was the SRI system. Maybe you 're right. Yeah. Cuz it was getting like one percent   So it 's still this kind of ratio. It was  it was getting one percent or something on the near field. Wasn't it ?

Mm - hmm , or it wa a it was around one.

Yeah. Yeah. I think it was getting around one percent for the near  for the n for the close mike.


Mm - hmm , or it wa a it was around one.

Yeah. Yeah. I think it was getting around one percent for the near  for the n for the close mike.


Yeah. Yeah. I think it was getting around one percent for the near  for the n for the close mike.

So it was like one to five  So it 's still this kind of ratio. It 's just  yeah , it 's a lot more training data. So So probably it should be something we should try then is to  is to see if  is  at some point just to take  i to transform the data and then   and then uh use th use it for the SRI system.


So it was like one to five  So it 's still this kind of ratio. It 's just  yeah , it 's a lot more training data. So So probably it should be something we should try then is to  is to see if  is  at some point just to take  i to transform the data and then   and then uh use th use it for the SRI system.


So it was like one to five  So it 's still this kind of ratio. It 's just  yeah , it 's a lot more training data. So So probably it should be something we should try then is to  is to see if  is  at some point just to take  i to transform the data and then   and then uh use th use it for the SRI system.

So you 're  so you have a system which for one reason or another is relatively poor ,


So you 're  so you have a system which for one reason or another is relatively poor ,

and  and uh you have something like forty - one percent error uh and then you transform it to eight by doing  doing this  this work. Um. So here 's this other system , which is a lot better , but there 's still this kind of ratio. It 's something like five percent error  with the  the distant mike , and one percent with the close mike.


and  and uh you have something like forty - one percent error uh and then you transform it to eight by doing  doing this  this work. Um. So here 's this other system , which is a lot better , but there 's still this kind of ratio. It 's something like five percent error  with the  the distant mike , and one percent with the close mike.

So the question is  how close to that one can you get  if you transform the data using that system.


and  and uh you have something like forty - one percent error uh and then you transform it to eight by doing  doing this  this work. Um. So here 's this other system , which is a lot better , but there 's still this kind of ratio. It 's something like five percent error  with the  the distant mike , and one percent with the close mike.

So the question is  how close to that one can you get  if you transform the data using that system.

r Right , so  so I guess this SRI system is trained on a lot of s Broadcast News or Switchboard data. Is that right ?


So the question is  how close to that one can you get  if you transform the data using that system.

r Right , so  so I guess this SRI system is trained on a lot of s Broadcast News or Switchboard data. Is that right ?


r Right , so  so I guess this SRI system is trained on a lot of s Broadcast News or Switchboard data. Is that right ?

It 's trained on a lot of different things. Um. It 's trained on uh a lot of Switchboard , Call Home ,


It 's trained on a lot of different things. Um. It 's trained on uh a lot of Switchboard , Call Home ,


It 's trained on a lot of different things. Um. It 's trained on uh a lot of Switchboard , Call Home ,

um a bunch of different sources , some digits , there 's some digits training in there.


um a bunch of different sources , some digits , there 's some digits training in there.


um a bunch of different sources , some digits , there 's some digits training in there.

O one thing I 'm wondering about is what this mean subtraction method  um will do if it 's faced with additive noise. Cuz I  I  it 's cuz I don't know what log magnitude spectral subtraction is gonna do to additive noise.


O one thing I 'm wondering about is what this mean subtraction method  um will do if it 's faced with additive noise. Cuz I  I  it 's cuz I don't know what log magnitude spectral subtraction is gonna do to additive noise.


O one thing I 'm wondering about is what this mean subtraction method  um will do if it 's faced with additive noise. Cuz I  I  it 's cuz I don't know what log magnitude spectral subtraction is gonna do to additive noise.

well , it 's  it 's not exactly the right thing


well , it 's  it 's not exactly the right thing


well , it 's  it 's not exactly the right thing

but  uh  but you 've already seen that cuz there is added noise here.


well , it 's  it 's not exactly the right thing

but  uh  but you 've already seen that cuz there is added noise here.

That 's  that 's  Yeah , that 's true. That 's a good point.


but  uh  but you 've already seen that cuz there is added noise here.

That 's  that 's  Yeah , that 's true. That 's a good point.


but  uh  but you 've already seen that cuz there is added noise here.

That 's  that 's  Yeah , that 's true. That 's a good point.

OK , so it 's then  then it 's  it 's  it 's reasonable to expect it would be helpful if we used it with the SRI system and


That 's  that 's  Yeah , that 's true. That 's a good point.

OK , so it 's then  then it 's  it 's  it 's reasonable to expect it would be helpful if we used it with the SRI system and

Yeah , I mean , as helpful  I mean , so that 's the question. Yeah , w we 're often asked this when we work with a system that  that isn't  isn't sort of industry  industry standard great ,


OK , so it 's then  then it 's  it 's  it 's reasonable to expect it would be helpful if we used it with the SRI system and

Yeah , I mean , as helpful  I mean , so that 's the question. Yeah , w we 're often asked this when we work with a system that  that isn't  isn't sort of industry  industry standard great ,


OK , so it 's then  then it 's  it 's  it 's reasonable to expect it would be helpful if we used it with the SRI system and

Yeah , I mean , as helpful  I mean , so that 's the question. Yeah , w we 're often asked this when we work with a system that  that isn't  isn't sort of industry  industry standard great ,

uh and we see some reduction in error using some clever method , then , you know , will it work on a   on a  on a good system. So uh you know , this other one 's  it was a pretty good system. I think , you know , one  one percent word error rate on digits is  uh digit strings is not  uh you know stellar , but  but given that this is real  digits , as opposed to uh sort of laboratory


Yeah , I mean , as helpful  I mean , so that 's the question. Yeah , w we 're often asked this when we work with a system that  that isn't  isn't sort of industry  industry standard great ,

uh and we see some reduction in error using some clever method , then , you know , will it work on a   on a  on a good system. So uh you know , this other one 's  it was a pretty good system. I think , you know , one  one percent word error rate on digits is  uh digit strings is not  uh you know stellar , but  but given that this is real  digits , as opposed to uh sort of laboratory


uh and we see some reduction in error using some clever method , then , you know , will it work on a   on a  on a good system. So uh you know , this other one 's  it was a pretty good system. I think , you know , one  one percent word error rate on digits is  uh digit strings is not  uh you know stellar , but  but given that this is real  digits , as opposed to uh sort of laboratory


uh and we see some reduction in error using some clever method , then , you know , will it work on a   on a  on a good system. So uh you know , this other one 's  it was a pretty good system. I think , you know , one  one percent word error rate on digits is  uh digit strings is not  uh you know stellar , but  but given that this is real  digits , as opposed to uh sort of laboratory

And it wasn't trained on this task either.


And it wasn't trained on this task either.

And it wasn't trained on this task. Actually one percent is sort of  you know , sort of in a reasonable range.


And it wasn't trained on this task either.

And it wasn't trained on this task. Actually one percent is sort of  you know , sort of in a reasonable range.

People would say " yeah , I could  I can imagine getting that ". And uh so the  the four or five percent or something is  is  is quite poor.


And it wasn't trained on this task. Actually one percent is sort of  you know , sort of in a reasonable range.

People would say " yeah , I could  I can imagine getting that ". And uh so the  the four or five percent or something is  is  is quite poor.


People would say " yeah , I could  I can imagine getting that ". And uh so the  the four or five percent or something is  is  is quite poor.

Uh , you know , if you 're doing a uh   a sixteen digit uh credit card number you 'll basically get it wrong almost all the time.


Uh , you know , if you 're doing a uh   a sixteen digit uh credit card number you 'll basically get it wrong almost all the time.

So. So. Uh ,  um a significant reduction in the error for that would be great.


So. So. Uh ,  um a significant reduction in the error for that would be great.

And  and then , uh Yeah. So. Yeah. Cool.


And  and then , uh Yeah. So. Yeah. Cool.

Yeah. Alright , um , I actually have to run. So I don't think I can do the digits , but um ,  I guess I 'll leave my microphone on ?


Yeah. Alright , um , I actually have to run. So I don't think I can do the digits , but um ,  I guess I 'll leave my microphone on ?


I can be out of here quickly.     That 's I just have to run for another appointment. OK ,  I t Yeah. I left it on. OK.


Okay. Thanks for coming to this meeting.


Okay. Thanks for coming to this meeting.

We have some  we have some ideas and some uh ideas for what people want.


We have some  we have some ideas and some uh ideas for what people want.


We have some  we have some ideas and some uh ideas for what people want.

I've done the role that I was asked to do anyway.


I've done the role that I was asked to do anyway.


I've done the role that I was asked to do anyway.

Alright let's just go over the agenda real quick for this meeting. See if I can't get things uh moving along here a little bit better. Um I'll go over what we went over last time , which shouldn't take long. Then I believe each of you have a presentation. Um I've was sent a a couple more requirements for our remote , what they want. Um then we can come to a conclusion on uh what we want the remote to do , um and how it's going to do it hopefully. And uh then we'll have the closing.  Um which we'll have forty minutes for. Uh let's see , the last meeting we went over um  who was responsible for what. I'm responsible for leading the meetings , keeping the notes , uh and coming up with the final presentation. Um Corinne is our Marketing Expert. She's gonna figure out what what um the consumer wants. Um  Ryan is our User Interface Designer. And Manuel is the Industrial Designer. So you're gonna come up with the ideas Ryan , and you're gonna pick 'em apart.


Alright let's just go over the agenda real quick for this meeting. See if I can't get things uh moving along here a little bit better. Um I'll go over what we went over last time , which shouldn't take long. Then I believe each of you have a presentation. Um I've was sent a a couple more requirements for our remote , what they want. Um then we can come to a conclusion on uh what we want the remote to do , um and how it's going to do it hopefully. And uh then we'll have the closing.  Um which we'll have forty minutes for. Uh let's see , the last meeting we went over um  who was responsible for what. I'm responsible for leading the meetings , keeping the notes , uh and coming up with the final presentation. Um Corinne is our Marketing Expert. She's gonna figure out what what um the consumer wants. Um  Ryan is our User Interface Designer. And Manuel is the Industrial Designer. So you're gonna come up with the ideas Ryan , and you're gonna pick 'em apart.

Um we decided our remote , uh we want it to be a universal remote uh that everyone would want. Um we want to be modern , um fun , different. Uh it needs to be sturdy , um easy to find , so we gonna have that locator function. Um and we want to be different. Um and then we went over a couple of different ideas. Ball-shaped phone. The keyboard shape. Um we decided that it should probably be one-handed. Something we could use with one hand. Um and that was our last meeting. So um why don't um  Do each of you have a presentation ?


Alright let's just go over the agenda real quick for this meeting. See if I can't get things uh moving along here a little bit better. Um I'll go over what we went over last time , which shouldn't take long. Then I believe each of you have a presentation. Um I've was sent a a couple more requirements for our remote , what they want. Um then we can come to a conclusion on uh what we want the remote to do , um and how it's going to do it hopefully. And uh then we'll have the closing.  Um which we'll have forty minutes for. Uh let's see , the last meeting we went over um  who was responsible for what. I'm responsible for leading the meetings , keeping the notes , uh and coming up with the final presentation. Um Corinne is our Marketing Expert. She's gonna figure out what what um the consumer wants. Um  Ryan is our User Interface Designer. And Manuel is the Industrial Designer. So you're gonna come up with the ideas Ryan , and you're gonna pick 'em apart.

Um we decided our remote , uh we want it to be a universal remote uh that everyone would want. Um we want to be modern , um fun , different. Uh it needs to be sturdy , um easy to find , so we gonna have that locator function. Um and we want to be different. Um and then we went over a couple of different ideas. Ball-shaped phone. The keyboard shape. Um we decided that it should probably be one-handed. Something we could use with one hand. Um and that was our last meeting. So um why don't um  Do each of you have a presentation ?

Okay. I'll hand it off to you and um  Does anyone  do you wanna go first ?


Um we decided our remote , uh we want it to be a universal remote uh that everyone would want. Um we want to be modern , um fun , different. Uh it needs to be sturdy , um easy to find , so we gonna have that locator function. Um and we want to be different. Um and then we went over a couple of different ideas. Ball-shaped phone. The keyboard shape. Um we decided that it should probably be one-handed. Something we could use with one hand. Um and that was our last meeting. So um why don't um  Do each of you have a presentation ?

Okay. I'll hand it off to you and um  Does anyone  do you wanna go first ?


Okay. I'll hand it off to you and um  Does anyone  do you wanna go first ?

So we can maybe see what uh what the people want.


So we can maybe see what uh what the people want.


Okay. Alright. Well , this is my report , which is going to be based pretty much on a survey that I was sent. Oh gosh , I've no idea.  G


Okay. Alright. Well , this is my report , which is going to be based pretty much on a survey that I was sent. Oh gosh , I've no idea.  G

Just press the arrow keys I think. Usually goes to it.


Okay. Alright. Well , this is my report , which is going to be based pretty much on a survey that I was sent. Oh gosh , I've no idea.  G

Just press the arrow keys I think. Usually goes to it.

Sorry I actually need to see something else on my screen.


Just press the arrow keys I think. Usually goes to it.

Sorry I actually need to see something else on my screen.


Sorry I actually need to see something else on my screen.


Yeah. You want it to be on both screens , or just just yours ?


Yeah. You want it to be on both screens , or just just yours ?

No I want something else on mine. Is that possible ?


Yeah. You want it to be on both screens , or just just yours ?

No I want something else on mine. Is that possible ?

Yeah but I think you have to hit escape. And then you can  Yeah.


No I want something else on mine. Is that possible ?

Yeah but I think you have to hit escape. And then you can  Yeah.


Yeah but I think you have to hit escape. And then you can  Yeah.


And then it should come up here shortly. 'Kay.


And then it should come up here shortly. 'Kay.

So is there no way I can give you the slideshow and


And then it should come up here shortly. 'Kay.

So is there no way I can give you the slideshow and

I think  oh give us the slideshow and something on your screen ?


So is there no way I can give you the slideshow and

I think  oh give us the slideshow and something on your screen ?


I think  oh give us the slideshow and something on your screen ?


I'm not sure. You could maybe minimise that screen and then have them both up at the same time I think.


I'm not sure. You could maybe minimise that screen and then have them both up at the same time I think.

Yeah. It's okay. Okay. Um so first of all , the method that I used was by doing some marketing research ,


I'm not sure. You could maybe minimise that screen and then have them both up at the same time I think.

Yeah. It's okay. Okay. Um so first of all , the method that I used was by doing some marketing research ,

by um doing research on some interviews that were conducted. And then some internet research. And I was sent a report that was  I think there were a hundred remote users that they interviewed. And so I will show you some of the results from that , which I think will be helpful. Um okay here are some of the findings. They said that the users dislike the look and feel of their current remote controls. And seventy five percent of the users find their remote controls to be ugly. Which is a fairly significant number I would say. And eighty percent of the users would be willing to spend more money if they could get a remote that would look fancy. So I think that earlier we were onto something when we were talking about having it be a modern cool look , I think that's definitely important. Um they say that current remote controls do not match well the operating behaviour of the user. Seventy five percent of users said they zap a lot. And if anyone could clarify what that means ?


Yeah. It's okay. Okay. Um so first of all , the method that I used was by doing some marketing research ,

by um doing research on some interviews that were conducted. And then some internet research. And I was sent a report that was  I think there were a hundred remote users that they interviewed. And so I will show you some of the results from that , which I think will be helpful. Um okay here are some of the findings. They said that the users dislike the look and feel of their current remote controls. And seventy five percent of the users find their remote controls to be ugly. Which is a fairly significant number I would say. And eighty percent of the users would be willing to spend more money if they could get a remote that would look fancy. So I think that earlier we were onto something when we were talking about having it be a modern cool look , I think that's definitely important. Um they say that current remote controls do not match well the operating behaviour of the user. Seventy five percent of users said they zap a lot. And if anyone could clarify what that means ?


by um doing research on some interviews that were conducted. And then some internet research. And I was sent a report that was  I think there were a hundred remote users that they interviewed. And so I will show you some of the results from that , which I think will be helpful. Um okay here are some of the findings. They said that the users dislike the look and feel of their current remote controls. And seventy five percent of the users find their remote controls to be ugly. Which is a fairly significant number I would say. And eighty percent of the users would be willing to spend more money if they could get a remote that would look fancy. So I think that earlier we were onto something when we were talking about having it be a modern cool look , I think that's definitely important. Um they say that current remote controls do not match well the operating behaviour of the user. Seventy five percent of users said they zap a lot. And if anyone could clarify what that means ?

Zap , does that just mean like changing the channel ?


Zap , does that just mean like changing the channel ?


Okay.  Um and fifty percent of the users say that they're only using ten percent of the buttons on their remote control. And there was something else , they kept track of the frequency per hour in using certain buttons. And some of them it looks like barely need to be included at all. Of course channel selection is used the most frequently. And then teletext was the next. Volume and then power. And then audio settings and screen settings and channel settings were practically never used. So I think we could definitely eliminate or somehow combine a lot of the functions into one button. Um the biggest user frustrations , as we said fifty percent of people find that their remotes are lost somewhere , and so I think a tracking device of some sort would be a good idea. They said it take  thirty four percent said it takes too much time to learn how to use a new remote. And twenty six percent said that the controls are bad for R_S_I_.


Okay.  Um and fifty percent of the users say that they're only using ten percent of the buttons on their remote control. And there was something else , they kept track of the frequency per hour in using certain buttons. And some of them it looks like barely need to be included at all. Of course channel selection is used the most frequently. And then teletext was the next. Volume and then power. And then audio settings and screen settings and channel settings were practically never used. So I think we could definitely eliminate or somehow combine a lot of the functions into one button. Um the biggest user frustrations , as we said fifty percent of people find that their remotes are lost somewhere , and so I think a tracking device of some sort would be a good idea. They said it take  thirty four percent said it takes too much time to learn how to use a new remote. And twenty six percent said that the controls are bad for R_S_I_.

Just repetitive strain injury. I think. That's what I guess.


Just repetitive strain injury. I think. That's what I guess.

Okay. Okay. And so bas okay. Um as far as speech recognition goes , um the younger group looks like they're all for it. From the fifteen to twenty five age group over ninety percent said they would pay more. And it kind of just went down incrementally. The groups at  the older they get it looks like the less willing they are to pay , so maybe we could discuss this and think  and decide if we think it's worth investing in this. At least if we're targeting the younger groups. And so in conclusion. Some things that I drew from this are that I think we were correct. We definitely need to focus on a new modern appearance , since so many people seem to be concerned about the ugliness of their remote control. Um a multifunctional remote could be a good thing to explore. So you only have one rather than five different remotes sitting all over your room. Uh we need to simplify the remote and reduce the number of buttons , get rid of the ones that don't seem to be serving much purpose. And then lastly I thought that maybe we could discuss the idea of speech recognition. And that's it.


Just repetitive strain injury. I think. That's what I guess.

Okay. Okay. And so bas okay. Um as far as speech recognition goes , um the younger group looks like they're all for it. From the fifteen to twenty five age group over ninety percent said they would pay more. And it kind of just went down incrementally. The groups at  the older they get it looks like the less willing they are to pay , so maybe we could discuss this and think  and decide if we think it's worth investing in this. At least if we're targeting the younger groups. And so in conclusion. Some things that I drew from this are that I think we were correct. We definitely need to focus on a new modern appearance , since so many people seem to be concerned about the ugliness of their remote control. Um a multifunctional remote could be a good thing to explore. So you only have one rather than five different remotes sitting all over your room. Uh we need to simplify the remote and reduce the number of buttons , get rid of the ones that don't seem to be serving much purpose. And then lastly I thought that maybe we could discuss the idea of speech recognition. And that's it.

'Kay. Very nice. Now we actually have some ideas of what what people want , what we should focus on. Uh


Okay. Okay. And so bas okay. Um as far as speech recognition goes , um the younger group looks like they're all for it. From the fifteen to twenty five age group over ninety percent said they would pay more. And it kind of just went down incrementally. The groups at  the older they get it looks like the less willing they are to pay , so maybe we could discuss this and think  and decide if we think it's worth investing in this. At least if we're targeting the younger groups. And so in conclusion. Some things that I drew from this are that I think we were correct. We definitely need to focus on a new modern appearance , since so many people seem to be concerned about the ugliness of their remote control. Um a multifunctional remote could be a good thing to explore. So you only have one rather than five different remotes sitting all over your room. Uh we need to simplify the remote and reduce the number of buttons , get rid of the ones that don't seem to be serving much purpose. And then lastly I thought that maybe we could discuss the idea of speech recognition. And that's it.

'Kay. Very nice. Now we actually have some ideas of what what people want , what we should focus on. Uh

Oh yeah. Sorry did you guys get time to write everything that you needed ?


'Kay. Very nice. Now we actually have some ideas of what what people want , what we should focus on. Uh

Oh yeah. Sorry did you guys get time to write everything that you needed ?


Oh yeah. Sorry did you guys get time to write everything that you needed ?


Oh yeah. Sorry did you guys get time to write everything that you needed ?

Having just listened to what Corinne just said , I'll draw on some of the things as well.   Some things that sort of relevant to what I wanna say. 'Kay so I'm just gonna yeah approach the technical functions design. Um  the method I used was to explore the uh technical functions of a remote control.


Having just listened to what Corinne just said , I'll draw on some of the things as well.   Some things that sort of relevant to what I wanna say. 'Kay so I'm just gonna yeah approach the technical functions design. Um  the method I used was to explore the uh technical functions of a remote control.

And t s simplest approach that I came to is is to change , programme and operate an electronic device remotely. I mean that's an obvious thing to say , but it's not attached to the device that you want to control. Um I had some things sent to me. Not very much. To look at similar devices. Um defined in some them. And then the personal preferences that I will suggest. Um we discussed a universal one. Um like it's just been brought up again then. But I think a universal remote control is actually quite a difficult object to design , and po possibly within maybe the budget that we do it , um because you'd need to know all the spef specifications of a all the like electronic companies. I'm not sure have you ever come across a universal remote control yourself , but you have to  i they're a nightmare to use. You have to set them , reset them to everything. Um and that would only add buttons. Whereas I think the aim is to take away buttons. So I think it'd be better maybe to concentrate on maybe just a universal one for T_V_s. Um or maybe just one that you could we could design and then different people , manufacturers could use it to set to their specifications , if if the aim is to get something that's unique in design. Um  Okay here here's just two pictures of remote controls. They're just simple T_V_ remote controls. But one is uh user-centred. That is the one on the left. And you can straight away see there's less buttons. And the other one is  engineer-centred where that's more uh specified for the sort of the elaborate piece of equipment it's trying to control um   which appeals more to the product that we want , and on what the  have said and the market research and stuff  probably looking at something that should be user-centred. Fewer buttons , simpler to use , and if ten percent um is hidden away  if ten percent is what's used , maybe the other fifty percent , the buttons that are used very rarely like programming , they could be hidden maybe under  some remote controls you might have come across have maybe a little flip thi thing where they're hidden away. And the main buttons are the ones you or the ones you come across. Um and finally , um uh sort I've sort of covered that , our product I think should be user interface orientated. Um  Like I said to concentrate on T_V_ remote control , a universal remote might be too complex. Um and as what it , the major findings  market researchers have said , it's the image and the appearance that people di dislike. So that we should concentrate on something that would set a trend. And that's it.


Having just listened to what Corinne just said , I'll draw on some of the things as well.   Some things that sort of relevant to what I wanna say. 'Kay so I'm just gonna yeah approach the technical functions design. Um  the method I used was to explore the uh technical functions of a remote control.

And t s simplest approach that I came to is is to change , programme and operate an electronic device remotely. I mean that's an obvious thing to say , but it's not attached to the device that you want to control. Um I had some things sent to me. Not very much. To look at similar devices. Um defined in some them. And then the personal preferences that I will suggest. Um we discussed a universal one. Um like it's just been brought up again then. But I think a universal remote control is actually quite a difficult object to design , and po possibly within maybe the budget that we do it , um because you'd need to know all the spef specifications of a all the like electronic companies. I'm not sure have you ever come across a universal remote control yourself , but you have to  i they're a nightmare to use. You have to set them , reset them to everything. Um and that would only add buttons. Whereas I think the aim is to take away buttons. So I think it'd be better maybe to concentrate on maybe just a universal one for T_V_s. Um or maybe just one that you could we could design and then different people , manufacturers could use it to set to their specifications , if if the aim is to get something that's unique in design. Um  Okay here here's just two pictures of remote controls. They're just simple T_V_ remote controls. But one is uh user-centred. That is the one on the left. And you can straight away see there's less buttons. And the other one is  engineer-centred where that's more uh specified for the sort of the elaborate piece of equipment it's trying to control um   which appeals more to the product that we want , and on what the  have said and the market research and stuff  probably looking at something that should be user-centred. Fewer buttons , simpler to use , and if ten percent um is hidden away  if ten percent is what's used , maybe the other fifty percent , the buttons that are used very rarely like programming , they could be hidden maybe under  some remote controls you might have come across have maybe a little flip thi thing where they're hidden away. And the main buttons are the ones you or the ones you come across. Um and finally , um uh sort I've sort of covered that , our product I think should be user interface orientated. Um  Like I said to concentrate on T_V_ remote control , a universal remote might be too complex. Um and as what it , the major findings  market researchers have said , it's the image and the appearance that people di dislike. So that we should concentrate on something that would set a trend. And that's it.

What was your last conclusion on that one ? Focus on uh the i


And t s simplest approach that I came to is is to change , programme and operate an electronic device remotely. I mean that's an obvious thing to say , but it's not attached to the device that you want to control. Um I had some things sent to me. Not very much. To look at similar devices. Um defined in some them. And then the personal preferences that I will suggest. Um we discussed a universal one. Um like it's just been brought up again then. But I think a universal remote control is actually quite a difficult object to design , and po possibly within maybe the budget that we do it , um because you'd need to know all the spef specifications of a all the like electronic companies. I'm not sure have you ever come across a universal remote control yourself , but you have to  i they're a nightmare to use. You have to set them , reset them to everything. Um and that would only add buttons. Whereas I think the aim is to take away buttons. So I think it'd be better maybe to concentrate on maybe just a universal one for T_V_s. Um or maybe just one that you could we could design and then different people , manufacturers could use it to set to their specifications , if if the aim is to get something that's unique in design. Um  Okay here here's just two pictures of remote controls. They're just simple T_V_ remote controls. But one is uh user-centred. That is the one on the left. And you can straight away see there's less buttons. And the other one is  engineer-centred where that's more uh specified for the sort of the elaborate piece of equipment it's trying to control um   which appeals more to the product that we want , and on what the  have said and the market research and stuff  probably looking at something that should be user-centred. Fewer buttons , simpler to use , and if ten percent um is hidden away  if ten percent is what's used , maybe the other fifty percent , the buttons that are used very rarely like programming , they could be hidden maybe under  some remote controls you might have come across have maybe a little flip thi thing where they're hidden away. And the main buttons are the ones you or the ones you come across. Um and finally , um uh sort I've sort of covered that , our product I think should be user interface orientated. Um  Like I said to concentrate on T_V_ remote control , a universal remote might be too complex. Um and as what it , the major findings  market researchers have said , it's the image and the appearance that people di dislike. So that we should concentrate on something that would set a trend. And that's it.

What was your last conclusion on that one ? Focus on uh the i


What was your last conclusion on that one ? Focus on uh the i


Okay. Gonna talk to you about the working design of the interiors basically which is what dictates the design the both the interface basically and the outer appearance because this is all the stuff that needs to go in there. Right. So unfortunately the people who were supposed to do this little presentation for me obviously were too drunk to actually accomplish it ,


Okay. Gonna talk to you about the working design of the interiors basically which is what dictates the design the both the interface basically and the outer appearance because this is all the stuff that needs to go in there. Right. So unfortunately the people who were supposed to do this little presentation for me obviously were too drunk to actually accomplish it ,

so um  I'm going to do a lot of the stuff on the board. Um just  This is the basic basic premise of a remote control. Um the basic function is to send messages to another system. Okay so much is clear. An energy source feeds an integrated circuit , like a chip , that can compose messages.  Often in the form of infrared bits. This is the most mostly used. Um there's uh also some sound systems but infrared is the better or the more more used system. Um parts are cheaper as well. A user interface controls the chip and accordingly the messages. This is where my people screwed up basically.


Okay. Gonna talk to you about the working design of the interiors basically which is what dictates the design the both the interface basically and the outer appearance because this is all the stuff that needs to go in there. Right. So unfortunately the people who were supposed to do this little presentation for me obviously were too drunk to actually accomplish it ,

so um  I'm going to do a lot of the stuff on the board. Um just  This is the basic basic premise of a remote control. Um the basic function is to send messages to another system. Okay so much is clear. An energy source feeds an integrated circuit , like a chip , that can compose messages.  Often in the form of infrared bits. This is the most mostly used. Um there's uh also some sound systems but infrared is the better or the more more used system. Um parts are cheaper as well. A user interface controls the chip and accordingly the messages. This is where my people screwed up basically.

So I'm going to explain that on the board rather. Um what we have is different components that obviously need to go in there. We'll start with an energy source. Right. Um which is usually a battery right ?  Since it's not feasible to add a cable to that. This energy source of course is connected to the the user interface itself . Uh which can be buttons , whatever , which in fact controls a chip. Right ? This is the user interface and there we have the chip. Um the way this goes normally is that this chip then controls an infrared lamp. That sends out the signal. Of course the signal differs accordingly. Um depending on what the chip tells the infrared lan lamp. And  Of course that's controlled , the chip itself is controlled by the user interface. The way you normally normally do it is that you add a little device such as a lamp to the whole thing as well , so that you know that it's working basically. You press something , you get a response. Which is also comparatively um important on one of those devices. Now this , what we're talking about here , or what I think should be discussed are these two components mostly. The the uh energy source for one thing can be altered. What we probably cannot alter is of course the infrared , the sending device basically , the infrared lamp. We cannot change the chip which controls the infrared lamp. Right ? These two are components that we have to use , and these are dictated by the whole function of the whole thing. Um the lamp can be put onto the desi the device. It c it doesn't have to be there. This can be discussed as well.  The user interface. That's something we can also discuss. Um as we've heard uh speech recognition is the hype obviously in the moment. Speech recognition um interface , we don't know that. Or if we just do the usual button thing. Or we have a touch pad or something like that  that's something we can discuss. And of course the energy source. Batteries. Solar cells. Who knows ?  Of course it's always a question whether these these components are in fact  available cheap enough , developed enough. But that's like I s I suppose rather up to marketing , and not to


so um  I'm going to do a lot of the stuff on the board. Um just  This is the basic basic premise of a remote control. Um the basic function is to send messages to another system. Okay so much is clear. An energy source feeds an integrated circuit , like a chip , that can compose messages.  Often in the form of infrared bits. This is the most mostly used. Um there's uh also some sound systems but infrared is the better or the more more used system. Um parts are cheaper as well. A user interface controls the chip and accordingly the messages. This is where my people screwed up basically.

So I'm going to explain that on the board rather. Um what we have is different components that obviously need to go in there. We'll start with an energy source. Right. Um which is usually a battery right ?  Since it's not feasible to add a cable to that. This energy source of course is connected to the the user interface itself . Uh which can be buttons , whatever , which in fact controls a chip. Right ? This is the user interface and there we have the chip. Um the way this goes normally is that this chip then controls an infrared lamp. That sends out the signal. Of course the signal differs accordingly. Um depending on what the chip tells the infrared lan lamp. And  Of course that's controlled , the chip itself is controlled by the user interface. The way you normally normally do it is that you add a little device such as a lamp to the whole thing as well , so that you know that it's working basically. You press something , you get a response. Which is also comparatively um important on one of those devices. Now this , what we're talking about here , or what I think should be discussed are these two components mostly. The the uh energy source for one thing can be altered. What we probably cannot alter is of course the infrared , the sending device basically , the infrared lamp. We cannot change the chip which controls the infrared lamp. Right ? These two are components that we have to use , and these are dictated by the whole function of the whole thing. Um the lamp can be put onto the desi the device. It c it doesn't have to be there. This can be discussed as well.  The user interface. That's something we can also discuss. Um as we've heard uh speech recognition is the hype obviously in the moment. Speech recognition um interface , we don't know that. Or if we just do the usual button thing. Or we have a touch pad or something like that  that's something we can discuss. And of course the energy source. Batteries. Solar cells. Who knows ?  Of course it's always a question whether these these components are in fact  available cheap enough , developed enough. But that's like I s I suppose rather up to marketing , and not to


So I'm going to explain that on the board rather. Um what we have is different components that obviously need to go in there. We'll start with an energy source. Right. Um which is usually a battery right ?  Since it's not feasible to add a cable to that. This energy source of course is connected to the the user interface itself . Uh which can be buttons , whatever , which in fact controls a chip. Right ? This is the user interface and there we have the chip. Um the way this goes normally is that this chip then controls an infrared lamp. That sends out the signal. Of course the signal differs accordingly. Um depending on what the chip tells the infrared lan lamp. And  Of course that's controlled , the chip itself is controlled by the user interface. The way you normally normally do it is that you add a little device such as a lamp to the whole thing as well , so that you know that it's working basically. You press something , you get a response. Which is also comparatively um important on one of those devices. Now this , what we're talking about here , or what I think should be discussed are these two components mostly. The the uh energy source for one thing can be altered. What we probably cannot alter is of course the infrared , the sending device basically , the infrared lamp. We cannot change the chip which controls the infrared lamp. Right ? These two are components that we have to use , and these are dictated by the whole function of the whole thing. Um the lamp can be put onto the desi the device. It c it doesn't have to be there. This can be discussed as well.  The user interface. That's something we can also discuss. Um as we've heard uh speech recognition is the hype obviously in the moment. Speech recognition um interface , we don't know that. Or if we just do the usual button thing. Or we have a touch pad or something like that  that's something we can discuss. And of course the energy source. Batteries. Solar cells. Who knows ?  Of course it's always a question whether these these components are in fact  available cheap enough , developed enough. But that's like I s I suppose rather up to marketing , and not to

the more complex we make it of course , the more expensive


the more complex we make it of course , the more expensive


the more complex we make it of course , the more expensive

But people have said that they would  well younger generations of people have said that they would pay more for a speech recognition remote.


But people have said that they would  well younger generations of people have said that they would pay more for a speech recognition remote.

So possibly it might be worth the investment.


So possibly it might be worth the investment.

I think speech recognition was uh one of those things where um they have to be really good for them to work. 'Cause sometimes you find yourself just saying things over and o  if it's on your phone.


I think speech recognition was uh one of those things where um they have to be really good for them to work. 'Cause sometimes you find yourself just saying things over and o  if it's on your phone.


I think speech recognition was uh one of those things where um they have to be really good for them to work. 'Cause sometimes you find yourself just saying things over and o  if it's on your phone.

And you need to sort of take into light languages and then  different dialects I suppose as well.


And you need to sort of take into light languages and then  different dialects I suppose as well.

I  myself I find , when you , h when there's something like spee speech recognition. Like uh you call on the phone and you try to change your telephone or power or something. Sometimes they have a a speech recognition on the other end ,


And you need to sort of take into light languages and then  different dialects I suppose as well.

I  myself I find , when you , h when there's something like spee speech recognition. Like uh you call on the phone and you try to change your telephone or power or something. Sometimes they have a a speech recognition on the other end ,

and you say one for this , and you find yours , like you said , saying the same thing over and over and over. I find myself , especially if I'm in a crowd of people , looking really silly.


I  myself I find , when you , h when there's something like spee speech recognition. Like uh you call on the phone and you try to change your telephone or power or something. Sometimes they have a a speech recognition on the other end ,

and you say one for this , and you find yours , like you said , saying the same thing over and over and over. I find myself , especially if I'm in a crowd of people , looking really silly.


and you say one for this , and you find yours , like you said , saying the same thing over and over and over. I find myself , especially if I'm in a crowd of people , looking really silly.

So maybe if you're sitting on your couch with a bunch of people then you know , you


and you say one for this , and you find yours , like you said , saying the same thing over and over and over. I find myself , especially if I'm in a crowd of people , looking really silly.

So maybe if you're sitting on your couch with a bunch of people then you know , you

And wou I don't know if would would you want to keep saying stuff if you were watching stuff. If you were watching something would you sort of be wanting


So maybe if you're sitting on your couch with a bunch of people then you know , you

And wou I don't know if would would you want to keep saying stuff if you were watching stuff. If you were watching something would you sort of be wanting

Volume up. Volume down. Change the channel , you know channel up , channel down ?


And wou I don't know if would would you want to keep saying stuff if you were watching stuff. If you were watching something would you sort of be wanting

Volume up. Volume down. Change the channel , you know channel up , channel down ?


Volume up. Volume down. Change the channel , you know channel up , channel down ?

Another thing about these figures is ninety one percent of the youngest age groups said they'd do it , but probably a lot of them that's actually their parents money. Like I don't know if they would actually go out and purchase this themselves , a fifteen year old you know.


Another thing about these figures is ninety one percent of the youngest age groups said they'd do it , but probably a lot of them that's actually their parents money. Like I don't know if they would actually go out and purchase this themselves , a fifteen year old you know.

I think  As well it'd be j the gimmick factor for the younger people.


I think  As well it'd be j the gimmick factor for the younger people.


It's a , it's a gimmick factor that they like at first , and


Now I was sent a couple of things to modify our uh new requirements. Um the remote's only gonna be for the television , which is good because we already decided  y your your research showed that uh not only is a universal remote more complicated , it's more cost , more costly. And your re uh research showed that you know most of the people don't even use it. I think uh you said fifty percent of the people only use half the or ten percent of the buttons.


Now I was sent a couple of things to modify our uh new requirements. Um the remote's only gonna be for the television , which is good because we already decided  y your your research showed that uh not only is a universal remote more complicated , it's more cost , more costly. And your re uh research showed that you know most of the people don't even use it. I think uh you said fifty percent of the people only use half the or ten percent of the buttons.

So if we remove the universal remote then that solves that problem. Um no teletext. Um  So we don't have to worry about that. Um but we do have to use the the company wants us to incorporate the corporate colour and our slogan , which is we put the fashion in electronics. And our corporate colours are grey and yellow. And we could probably get away with black too but  So those are the three um the three new requirements that that I was told we need to use. Um from all all three of your uh presentations , I think that we were on the right track a lot in our last meeting. We want something that looks good. Um we want something that's simple. We want something that you can find easily. Um  And the speech recognition I I guess is kind of uh give or take. It's gonna cost more. S the young the younger people say that they like it.


So if we remove the universal remote then that solves that problem. Um no teletext. Um  So we don't have to worry about that. Um but we do have to use the the company wants us to incorporate the corporate colour and our slogan , which is we put the fashion in electronics. And our corporate colours are grey and yellow. And we could probably get away with black too but  So those are the three um the three new requirements that that I was told we need to use. Um from all all three of your uh presentations , I think that we were on the right track a lot in our last meeting. We want something that looks good. Um we want something that's simple. We want something that you can find easily. Um  And the speech recognition I I guess is kind of uh give or take. It's gonna cost more. S the young the younger people say that they like it.

But um it's probably , I would say , probably not worth the investment at this point in time. So maybe we should just do away with speech recognition. Um  And that way we can focus on our form.


So if we remove the universal remote then that solves that problem. Um no teletext. Um  So we don't have to worry about that. Um but we do have to use the the company wants us to incorporate the corporate colour and our slogan , which is we put the fashion in electronics. And our corporate colours are grey and yellow. And we could probably get away with black too but  So those are the three um the three new requirements that that I was told we need to use. Um from all all three of your uh presentations , I think that we were on the right track a lot in our last meeting. We want something that looks good. Um we want something that's simple. We want something that you can find easily. Um  And the speech recognition I I guess is kind of uh give or take. It's gonna cost more. S the young the younger people say that they like it.

But um it's probably , I would say , probably not worth the investment at this point in time. So maybe we should just do away with speech recognition. Um  And that way we can focus on our form.

I did have have a thought about the sort of the tracking thing. Is that  if it came with maybe a holder or holster , whatever you wanna call it. Um that you you should put it back in. Your remote. But if you don't put it back in , you press something like a little button on that , and that just sort of sends out a beep  to find where it is or something. Just by infrared. That shouldn't be too complex I would've thought.


But um it's probably , I would say , probably not worth the investment at this point in time. So maybe we should just do away with speech recognition. Um  And that way we can focus on our form.

I did have have a thought about the sort of the tracking thing. Is that  if it came with maybe a holder or holster , whatever you wanna call it. Um that you you should put it back in. Your remote. But if you don't put it back in , you press something like a little button on that , and that just sort of sends out a beep  to find where it is or something. Just by infrared. That shouldn't be too complex I would've thought.

That'd be , that'd be good if we were going with our our ball.


I did have have a thought about the sort of the tracking thing. Is that  if it came with maybe a holder or holster , whatever you wanna call it. Um that you you should put it back in. Your remote. But if you don't put it back in , you press something like a little button on that , and that just sort of sends out a beep  to find where it is or something. Just by infrared. That shouldn't be too complex I would've thought.

That'd be , that'd be good if we were going with our our ball.

Or or with  you know I guess with any form that that would be good.


That'd be , that'd be good if we were going with our our ball.

Or or with  you know I guess with any form that that would be good.


Or or with  you know I guess with any form that that would be good.


Or or with  you know I guess with any form that that would be good.

You know that could be the charger. For you know


You know that could be the charger. For you know


You know that could be the charger. For you know

we could use rechargeable batteries in the remote. And that would be  or solar. Or you know  However , however you wanted to go about it , the holder could also be the charging unit. Um


we could use rechargeable batteries in the remote. And that would be  or solar. Or you know  However , however you wanted to go about it , the holder could also be the charging unit. Um

With the locator button. Um and if it were the ball you'd no longer have to have a flat space on it.


With the locator button. Um and if it were the ball you'd no longer have to have a flat space on it.


You s you still  W yeah. You put it on t on the couch table.


Um  So I guess after the meeting  we'll have some questionnaires. And uh and some summaries for for what's going on. Um then we'll take lunch. Then we can come back and uh work on our individual work. Um  I'll do the minutes. Uh let's see. It looks like you're already on your way for uh working with the components. Um chips , the what chips we need


Um  So I guess after the meeting  we'll have some questionnaires. And uh and some summaries for for what's going on. Um then we'll take lunch. Then we can come back and uh work on our individual work. Um  I'll do the minutes. Uh let's see. It looks like you're already on your way for uh working with the components. Um chips , the what chips we need

and what uh you know how to power it and whatnot. User interface concept , we want it to be something simple.


Um  So I guess after the meeting  we'll have some questionnaires. And uh and some summaries for for what's going on. Um then we'll take lunch. Then we can come back and uh work on our individual work. Um  I'll do the minutes. Uh let's see. It looks like you're already on your way for uh working with the components. Um chips , the what chips we need

and what uh you know how to power it and whatnot. User interface concept , we want it to be something simple.

Um  Minimal number of buttons. I guess our , I guess our main um main thing that we should focus on until then is probably deciding on a certain look , you know.


and what uh you know how to power it and whatnot. User interface concept , we want it to be something simple.

Um  Minimal number of buttons. I guess our , I guess our main um main thing that we should focus on until then is probably deciding on a certain look , you know.


Um  Minimal number of buttons. I guess our , I guess our main um main thing that we should focus on until then is probably deciding on a certain look , you know.


Um  Minimal number of buttons. I guess our , I guess our main um main thing that we should focus on until then is probably deciding on a certain look , you know.

Did you have time earlier to to work on that. Did you guys feel you have enough time in between our meetings to get everything done that you need to get done ?


Did you have time earlier to to work on that. Did you guys feel you have enough time in between our meetings to get everything done that you need to get done ?


Did you have time earlier to to work on that. Did you guys feel you have enough time in between our meetings to get everything done that you need to get done ?

I'll yeah I'll have a look , try  look at the actual appearance in the next break.


I'll yeah I'll have a look , try  look at the actual appearance in the next break.

I th I I do still think it needs to be something that is ultimately one-handed. The ball is probably not a good idea.


I th I I do still think it needs to be something that is ultimately one-handed. The ball is probably not a good idea.

And even something that's held like that might be difficult.


And even something that's held like that might be difficult.

So that I think it still has to be a variation. On maybe a a rect on a rectangle but maybe not necessarily as boring , as plain as a rectangle.


So that I think it still has to be a variation. On maybe a a rect on a rectangle but maybe not necessarily as boring , as plain as a rectangle.

Um  Shall we maybe shoot for a a specific uh target group ? That way we could l I mean if it were , if we were shooting for young guys then it's um a certain look to the remote. Or girls or older people ? Um  Would that  you think that would help us find um a specific form ? That we would would wanna pick out ?


So that I think it still has to be a variation. On maybe a a rect on a rectangle but maybe not necessarily as boring , as plain as a rectangle.

Um  Shall we maybe shoot for a a specific uh target group ? That way we could l I mean if it were , if we were shooting for young guys then it's um a certain look to the remote. Or girls or older people ? Um  Would that  you think that would help us find um a specific form ? That we would would wanna pick out ?

D I don't know if that might cope with like the trend-watching. I  find anything more on that.


Um  Shall we maybe shoot for a a specific uh target group ? That way we could l I mean if it were , if we were shooting for young guys then it's um a certain look to the remote. Or girls or older people ? Um  Would that  you think that would help us find um a specific form ? That we would would wanna pick out ?

D I don't know if that might cope with like the trend-watching. I  find anything more on that.

Mm. Yeah not yet but maybe by the next meeting we'll have some info on that.


Um  Shall we maybe shoot for a a specific uh target group ? That way we could l I mean if it were , if we were shooting for young guys then it's um a certain look to the remote. Or girls or older people ? Um  Would that  you think that would help us find um a specific form ? That we would would wanna pick out ?

D I don't know if that might cope with like the trend-watching. I  find anything more on that.

Mm. Yeah not yet but maybe by the next meeting we'll have some info on that.

'Kay. So um we know that the remote's gonna have to be   we'll just say we've got a colour scheme for it. Um yellow and


D I don't know if that might cope with like the trend-watching. I  find anything more on that.

Mm. Yeah not yet but maybe by the next meeting we'll have some info on that.

'Kay. So um we know that the remote's gonna have to be   we'll just say we've got a colour scheme for it. Um yellow and


Mm. Yeah not yet but maybe by the next meeting we'll have some info on that.

'Kay. So um we know that the remote's gonna have to be   we'll just say we've got a colour scheme for it. Um yellow and

you know yellow it's nice and bright , with the buttons being grey or black.


'Kay. So um we know that the remote's gonna have to be   we'll just say we've got a colour scheme for it. Um yellow and

you know yellow it's nice and bright , with the buttons being grey or black.


you know yellow it's nice and bright , with the buttons being grey or black.

And our slogan pasted somewhere on it , on the the bottom


And our slogan pasted somewhere on it , on the the bottom


Maybe we could sketch a  so basically all of our remotes all of our typical remotes now are just kind of a rectangular sort. You know. Um maybe we could flare it or something. You know. So it's more  of course this will look like a bone then.


Maybe we could sketch a  so basically all of our remotes all of our typical remotes now are just kind of a rectangular sort. You know. Um maybe we could flare it or something. You know. So it's more  of course this will look like a bone then.

go ahead and erase this. Um  Hope everyone memorised that uh


Maybe we could sketch a  so basically all of our remotes all of our typical remotes now are just kind of a rectangular sort. You know. Um maybe we could flare it or something. You know. So it's more  of course this will look like a bone then.

go ahead and erase this. Um  Hope everyone memorised that uh

You  I mean it might be to look at sort of the the shape and trend of like things like mobile phones , and the shapes that the they've been going.


go ahead and erase this. Um  Hope everyone memorised that uh

You  I mean it might be to look at sort of the the shape and trend of like things like mobile phones , and the shapes that the they've been going.


You  I mean it might be to look at sort of the the shape and trend of like things like mobile phones , and the shapes that the they've been going.

They've gone from big brick block things , which is  a remote control is , to sort of slinky small things.


They've gone from big brick block things , which is  a remote control is , to sort of slinky small things.

Yeah everybody's got a mobile phone right ? Except for me now.  Uh


They've gone from big brick block things , which is  a remote control is , to sort of slinky small things.

Yeah everybody's got a mobile phone right ? Except for me now.  Uh

you know , mobile phones um they've kind of taken a turn to where they're really small. Um which may defeat our purpose for being able to locate our remote all the time.


Yeah everybody's got a mobile phone right ? Except for me now.  Uh

you know , mobile phones um they've kind of taken a turn to where they're really small. Um which may defeat our purpose for being able to locate our remote all the time.


you know , mobile phones um they've kind of taken a turn to where they're really small. Um which may defeat our purpose for being able to locate our remote all the time.


But then again you don't want you know like the first mobile phone that was this big


But then again you don't want you know like the first mobile phone that was this big

and you had a handbag to carry it around in. Um


But then again you don't want you know like the first mobile phone that was this big

and you had a handbag to carry it around in. Um

So we've got basically what remotes look like now is kind of what we're what we're stuck with. Um   Maybe we could go with a square or something. Um


and you had a handbag to carry it around in. Um

So we've got basically what remotes look like now is kind of what we're what we're stuck with. Um   Maybe we could go with a square or something. Um

Um you know with minimal number of buttons. I guess you've got you know one through nine. For typing in your channels. Uh you've got volume , up and down. Channel up and down.


So we've got basically what remotes look like now is kind of what we're what we're stuck with. Um   Maybe we could go with a square or something. Um

Um you know with minimal number of buttons. I guess you've got you know one through nine. For typing in your channels. Uh you've got volume , up and down. Channel up and down.


Um you know with minimal number of buttons. I guess you've got you know one through nine. For typing in your channels. Uh you've got volume , up and down. Channel up and down.


That's that's pretty much all you need I think. Um  A menu button , maybe.


That's that's pretty much all you need I think. Um  A menu button , maybe.

So you know. If you , if we want the remote to do other things like um  or I guess the T_V_ to be able to change the tint and the colour and you know all those kind of things that are built into T_V_s , we just have that under one standard menu button where you go in , press the menu button , scroll up and down to select it.


So you know. If you , if we want the remote to do other things like um  or I guess the T_V_ to be able to change the tint and the colour and you know all those kind of things that are built into T_V_s , we just have that under one standard menu button where you go in , press the menu button , scroll up and down to select it.


Talking of which maybe a scrolling function is not not too bad.


Talk about maybe   f look at that from the side , there maybe.


Talk about maybe   f look at that from the side , there maybe.

Which is technically the easiest option. Would probably be like a scrolling , little scrolling wheel like this.


Which is technically the easiest option. Would probably be like a scrolling , little scrolling wheel like this.


You can even if we're coming from mice , we can even add a click function , where you , in order to verify the information you just press it down. Right.


You can even if we're coming from mice , we can even add a click function , where you , in order to verify the information you just press it down. Right.

Also when it comes to the ergonomics of the whole thing , if you wanna make it square for the looks of it , then maybe to make it more comfortable to hold the whole thing , you add a little bulge down here. Just which maybe from an engineering point this could be holding the the batteries and so on.


Also when it comes to the ergonomics of the whole thing , if you wanna make it square for the looks of it , then maybe to make it more comfortable to hold the whole thing , you add a little bulge down here. Just which maybe from an engineering point this could be holding the the batteries and so on.

I know. You know what I'm getting at here ,


I know. You know what I'm getting at here ,

fel look at it from the side. It's  like that.


fel look at it from the side. It's  like that.

Right. Uh  Then you hold it in your hand like this. And maybe you bring the buttons nearer to the  or the imp more important buttons nearer to the to the side.


Right. Uh  Then you hold it in your hand like this. And maybe you bring the buttons nearer to the  or the imp more important buttons nearer to the to the side.


To the thumb yeah. Maybe the buttons could like uh decrease in s the bigger ones you know they could actually be bigger in size than the ones that are less important , the smaller here.


To the thumb yeah. Maybe the buttons could like uh decrease in s the bigger ones you know they could actually be bigger in size than the ones that are less important , the smaller here.

Right. You can also have it , maybe , talking about mobile phones again , sliding open. With the lesser used functions on this part ,


To the thumb yeah. Maybe the buttons could like uh decrease in s the bigger ones you know they could actually be bigger in size than the ones that are less important , the smaller here.

Right. You can also have it , maybe , talking about mobile phones again , sliding open. With the lesser used functions on this part ,

and then it slides into that part. And out.


Right. You can also have it , maybe , talking about mobile phones again , sliding open. With the lesser used functions on this part ,

and then it slides into that part. And out.

Definitely.  just like o on a sort of side view. Something that you know it would sort of fit in the hand better. So you know you just sort of have your hand


and then it slides into that part. And out.

Definitely.  just like o on a sort of side view. Something that you know it would sort of fit in the hand better. So you know you just sort of have your hand

Mm well I was just thinking , this this of course causes


and then it slides into that part. And out.

Definitely.  just like o on a sort of side view. Something that you know it would sort of fit in the hand better. So you know you just sort of have your hand

Mm well I was just thinking , this this of course causes

Yeah. Right on the  and your thumb would be up here type thing.


Definitely.  just like o on a sort of side view. Something that you know it would sort of fit in the hand better. So you know you just sort of have your hand

Mm well I was just thinking , this this of course causes

Yeah. Right on the  and your thumb would be up here type thing.

causes a problem um for left or right-handed people actually. So.


Mm well I was just thinking , this this of course causes

Yeah. Right on the  and your thumb would be up here type thing.

causes a problem um for left or right-handed people actually. So.

Yeah that's also true.  instantly sort of always going for the right-handed person.


Yeah. Right on the  and your thumb would be up here type thing.

causes a problem um for left or right-handed people actually. So.

Yeah that's also true.  instantly sort of always going for the right-handed person.


causes a problem um for left or right-handed people actually. So.

Yeah that's also true.  instantly sort of always going for the right-handed person.


Yeah that's also true.  instantly sort of always going for the right-handed person.

Yeah  is everyone  who in here's right-handed , left-handed ? You guys all right-handed ?


Yeah  is everyone  who in here's right-handed , left-handed ? You guys all right-handed ?


I'm left-handed but I , so I can say that most things are designed for right-handed people.


Maybe you could buy like a special left-handed version of the remote.  Special order.


Maybe you could buy like a special left-handed version of the remote.  Special order.

Maybe. Ow. I would say I mean it should be probably designed for a right-handed p person.


Maybe you could buy like a special left-handed version of the remote.  Special order.

Maybe. Ow. I would say I mean it should be probably designed for a right-handed p person.

Um but that's that's good. That's  w I think we've got a kind of a good plan there. Um  At least for what buttons we're gonna use. Um  So we've got uh  I like the scroll , the scroll action and the  .


Maybe. Ow. I would say I mean it should be probably designed for a right-handed p person.

Um but that's that's good. That's  w I think we've got a kind of a good plan there. Um  At least for what buttons we're gonna use. Um  So we've got uh  I like the scroll , the scroll action and the  .

I mean I'm just just thinking maybe if it was um circular um with the sort of  that sort of   the sort of early idea we had , with the way that was more like that , whereas this is just a one-handed thing that you sort of almost wrap round the thumb. So you'd have your , you'd put your hand into there with the thumb there. And then your thumb would do  you'd have all the buttons sort of round here. And that I think could work. On any hand. If you just had it like wrapped round there. Left or right.


Um but that's that's good. That's  w I think we've got a kind of a good plan there. Um  At least for what buttons we're gonna use. Um  So we've got uh  I like the scroll , the scroll action and the  .

I mean I'm just just thinking maybe if it was um circular um with the sort of  that sort of   the sort of early idea we had , with the way that was more like that , whereas this is just a one-handed thing that you sort of almost wrap round the thumb. So you'd have your , you'd put your hand into there with the thumb there. And then your thumb would do  you'd have all the buttons sort of round here. And that I think could work. On any hand. If you just had it like wrapped round there. Left or right.


I mean I'm just just thinking maybe if it was um circular um with the sort of  that sort of   the sort of early idea we had , with the way that was more like that , whereas this is just a one-handed thing that you sort of almost wrap round the thumb. So you'd have your , you'd put your hand into there with the thumb there. And then your thumb would do  you'd have all the buttons sort of round here. And that I think could work. On any hand. If you just had it like wrapped round there. Left or right.

Right.  That minimises it size-wise as well.


Right.  That minimises it size-wise as well.

Minimise its size. It could be you know really quite small.


Right.  That minimises it size-wise as well.

Minimise its size. It could be you know really quite small.

Mm. Then there's maybe another point of making it a two-in-one kind of thing. If we have a smaller a smaller device that actually fits into the big one. You give it the full functions in here , and just a couple of functions in there. Like your zap zapping device is just u channels up-down , uh volume , and on-off.


Minimise its size. It could be you know really quite small.

Mm. Then there's maybe another point of making it a two-in-one kind of thing. If we have a smaller a smaller device that actually fits into the big one. You give it the full functions in here , and just a couple of functions in there. Like your zap zapping device is just u channels up-down , uh volume , and on-off.


Mm. Then there's maybe another point of making it a two-in-one kind of thing. If we have a smaller a smaller device that actually fits into the big one. You give it the full functions in here , and just a couple of functions in there. Like your zap zapping device is just u channels up-down , uh volume , and on-off.


So two remotes in one. But then would be easier to lose one or the other.


So two remotes in one. But then would be easier to lose one or the other.

That's right. Means the big one has to be sufficiently big. And perhaps heavy , so you can't move it around.


That's right. Means the big one has to be sufficiently big. And perhaps heavy , so you can't move it around.


Okay. Well we need to finish up here. Um  So for the next  So for the next um  before the next meeting w uh sh shall we work on  you're watching trends to see what what kind of new information we've got going on. Um


Okay. Well we need to finish up here. Um  So for the next  So for the next um  before the next meeting w uh sh shall we work on  you're watching trends to see what what kind of new information we've got going on. Um

Manuel you're going to work on the components for for what we're gonna use.


Manuel you're going to work on the components for for what we're gonna use.


Manuel you're going to work on the components for for what we're gonna use.

Let's go with our our uh rounded kind of fit in your hand  let's explore uh the the uh possibility of having the two-piece. So one for the the quick zapping um and possibly one you know with just that rounded part that fits into your hand. Um


Alright ? Alright. Thank you for coming to this third meeting of the uh uh design group. Um I think we uh made some definite progress at the last one um and come up with some interesting uh uh w suggestions for our our new remote control. Um I'll again very quickly uh just present some notes of that meeting. Um  the the the problem with existing remote controls , we felt , was that they're ugly um and that people are prepared to pay a premium for something better. Um they've got lots of buttons on them that uh people don't use and find difficult to learn. Um and people lose them. And  We we thought that f for our our new uh uh remote control that everybody will want to rush out and buy , um  that we're   we should look at speech recognition rather than r rather than buttons , and that if we have any buttons they should be very few of them and only for those functions that are actually identified that that people use. That  um  we want to go for uh a long lasting battery that we gua we guarantee for the life of the uh uh the product and a shape that will be instantly recognisable , A_ um as uh a trendy remote control , and and B_ as uh a Real Reaction product. So that w uh when people are uh happy with that , they will they will want to buy uh everything else from us. Uh   Okay. So again um , I'll  we'll have the three three presentations from the the the three of you and then uh we'll we'll make a a final a final uh decision. Um and the the decisions that we need to to make today , finally , are um what energy source we want to use , whether i it is practical to use uh um a a a long lasting one. And uh I I think our discussion was around the fact that uh if we're gonna go for uh a long lasting power supply , then basically it's uh sealed for life and uh if anybody does manage to run one down , we'll we'll give them another one. And uh it it'll be uh , you know , prominently displayed as part of the th the advertising literature that it's um um , you know , for life , guaranteed for life. Um  now the the the internal chip um  and uh this is where I need uh uh Kate's expert advice

and given that  th this has to to go to market as quickly as possible um d d do we go for a custom designed chip ? Or or do we buy one off the shelf and and programme it ourselves ? Uh I mean I'm I'm I'm n not an expert on these things , but presumably , there must be loads of 'em already on the market that we can modify.

But uh that that's uh that's your area of expertise. And then the uh , you know , the the overall design of the case uh is is is Kendra's field and uh


and given that  th this has to to go to market as quickly as possible um d d do we go for a custom designed chip ? Or or do we buy one off the shelf and and programme it ourselves ? Uh I mean I'm I'm I'm n not an expert on these things , but presumably , there must be loads of 'em already on the market that we can modify.

But uh that that's uh that's your area of expertise. And then the uh , you know , the the overall design of the case uh is is is Kendra's field and uh

we we had some discussions last time as as to uh how we might go forward and we'll we'll finalise those uh da today. Um and thi this is all linked in with the the the user interface , whether we p um  go for voice , buttons , or or a bit of both. Uh and then uh , you know , f for the next meeting Kate will be looking at the the the s the look , feel and design , Kendra the uh ho how the the user actually uses it and and Andrew of course the the product evaluation. And uh Kate and Kendra will be producing a a model for us to uh to look at.


and given that  th this has to to go to market as quickly as possible um d d do we go for a custom designed chip ? Or or do we buy one off the shelf and and programme it ourselves ? Uh I mean I'm I'm I'm n not an expert on these things , but presumably , there must be loads of 'em already on the market that we can modify.

But uh that that's uh that's your area of expertise. And then the uh , you know , the the overall design of the case uh is is is Kendra's field and uh

we we had some discussions last time as as to uh how we might go forward and we'll we'll finalise those uh da today. Um and thi this is all linked in with the the the user interface , whether we p um  go for voice , buttons , or or a bit of both. Uh and then uh , you know , f for the next meeting Kate will be looking at the the the s the look , feel and design , Kendra the uh ho how the the user actually uses it and and Andrew of course the the product evaluation. And uh Kate and Kendra will be producing a a model for us to uh to look at.

Uh so , if if we can have the the three presentations again please , and uh um p perhaps you'd like to start uh k.


But uh that that's uh that's your area of expertise. And then the uh , you know , the the overall design of the case uh is is is Kendra's field and uh

we we had some discussions last time as as to uh how we might go forward and we'll we'll finalise those uh da today. Um and thi this is all linked in with the the the user interface , whether we p um  go for voice , buttons , or or a bit of both. Uh and then uh , you know , f for the next meeting Kate will be looking at the the the s the look , feel and design , Kendra the uh ho how the the user actually uses it and and Andrew of course the the product evaluation. And uh Kate and Kendra will be producing a a model for us to uh to look at.

Uh so , if if we can have the the three presentations again please , and uh um p perhaps you'd like to start uh k.


we we had some discussions last time as as to uh how we might go forward and we'll we'll finalise those uh da today. Um and thi this is all linked in with the the the user interface , whether we p um  go for voice , buttons , or or a bit of both. Uh and then uh , you know , f for the next meeting Kate will be looking at the the the s the look , feel and design , Kendra the uh ho how the the user actually uses it and and Andrew of course the the product evaluation. And uh Kate and Kendra will be producing a a model for us to uh to look at.

Uh so , if if we can have the the three presentations again please , and uh um p perhaps you'd like to start uh k.


Uh so , if if we can have the the three presentations again please , and uh um p perhaps you'd like to start uh k.


'Kay , I'll just be talking about the components design. And   Okay , basically I just uh looked at what exactly do remotes do. Uh basically they wait for you to press a key or give a voice command and then this is translated uh into uh light signals which are then seen by the T_V_. Uh the materials we're gonna need to look at  uh the two big ones are the integrated circuit chip and the battery and the in integrated circuit chip uh works in conjunction with a a diode transistor or resonator , uh two more resistors and a capacitor and the battery works in conjunction with a resistor and a capacitor. Um.  Uh basically what happens is you'll press a number or give a voice command and this creates a a connection within the the remote that allows the chip  the chip then senses this connection and produces a signal in a Morse code format. This signal's sent to the transistor which amplifies it and then sends it on to the light emitting diode and uh  which is then trai changed into a infrared light which is sent to the T_V_ and sort of seen by the T_V_ and which uh changes the channels.  Um. Oh.  Uh cool.  Uh so as for how we should end up uh using this in our remote uh t couple of main questions are the buttons. Uh y the fewer buttons you have , I guess the fewer internal connections and internal codes you're gonna need. Um however uh to n not have buttons or to use a voice commands instead of buttons might make these connections more difficult and uh raise the production cost. That's something we should think about. Also we have to work within the company constraints , and the company has informed me via email that uh they're experts at pushbuttons and that seems to be the most uh cost-effective way of producing it. Um also with battery connections the company has some limits on the batteries we can use , so I was thinking perhaps a combination of solar cells with a back-up basic battery and somehow between the combination of that two we might be able to come up with something that uh will last the the lifetime or the five to ten years and we could still keep that original idea.  Um we also need to look at the chips , uh v custom-designed versus off the shelf , and the custom-designed will give us much more flexibility and enable us to incorporate the voice function that we all uh seem to have agreed upon. Um , however that's gonna cost more , but uh the off the shelf is gonna be uh cheaper and it's gonna be  allow us to produce it quicker and get out there faster , but it's going to be less flexible with the features , especially things like uh voice activation , which haven't really been used much on remotes , so there's not really chips out there that would be easy to uh to convert ,