opening. Um these are our minutes from r the functional design. We decided our target group is the focus on who can afford it , because we have international appeal and we said it's for all age groups , different um functions of it. Our main objectives were simplicity and fashion.  And s um in specific functions are something to keep the remote from getting lost , large buttons for the essential functions , a possibility for extra functions , like a sliding a sliding piece  and a long-life battery or a charging station. Okay , now three presentations. I'd like to do it in this order , first do the conceptual specification of components , properties and materials  um and then the conceptual specification of user interface  and finally trend watching.


Mm. 'kay. Function F_ eight it. There we go.


Mm. 'kay. Function F_ eight it. There we go.

Alright. Um I'm very excited by this one actually guys I uh had a lot of fun doing it. Components design. This is where you look at what does it take to make a remote control and what should we make our specific remote control out of.  Um. So , we need to examine each element separately , but we're designing a full thing , so you wanna keep it integrated as a whole. The main elements of remote controls in general , and therefore ours as well , are the case , the buttons , the circuit board with the chip and the battery. These are all things that we had sort of addressed before , but I'm gonna take each one a little bit separately here as we figure out what they should be made of and what they should look like. The case , uh the options that I've gotten from headquarters about what we can do , um there's there's the shape of a case , we could do a flat sh a flat case , a curved case or maybe even a double double-curved case. I haven't seen any pictures of what this exactly looks like yet , just keep that in mind , but these are the options that we have from manufacturing and we can make our case out of plastic , the m the main base will be plastic , but we have all these sort of fashion and technological elements we can add in , wood , latex , titanium , rubber or other coloured types of plastic. That would be our case. Um buttons , for buttons we have um pushbuttons , which is what Real Reaction uses the most often , but we also have scror scroll wheels ,


Mm. 'kay. Function F_ eight it. There we go.

Alright. Um I'm very excited by this one actually guys I uh had a lot of fun doing it. Components design. This is where you look at what does it take to make a remote control and what should we make our specific remote control out of.  Um. So , we need to examine each element separately , but we're designing a full thing , so you wanna keep it integrated as a whole. The main elements of remote controls in general , and therefore ours as well , are the case , the buttons , the circuit board with the chip and the battery. These are all things that we had sort of addressed before , but I'm gonna take each one a little bit separately here as we figure out what they should be made of and what they should look like. The case , uh the options that I've gotten from headquarters about what we can do , um there's there's the shape of a case , we could do a flat sh a flat case , a curved case or maybe even a double double-curved case. I haven't seen any pictures of what this exactly looks like yet , just keep that in mind , but these are the options that we have from manufacturing and we can make our case out of plastic , the m the main base will be plastic , but we have all these sort of fashion and technological elements we can add in , wood , latex , titanium , rubber or other coloured types of plastic. That would be our case. Um buttons , for buttons we have um pushbuttons , which is what Real Reaction uses the most often , but we also have scror scroll wheels ,

which can have integrated pushbuttons , or we could go all high-tech and have an L_ L_C_D_ screen.  Um circuit board and chip we can have a simple one , a regular one or an advanced one , depending on what our other needs are. And then battery I think is where things get most exciting. We're talking about long-life batteries here.  Um we can we can have your sort of basic double A_ batteries , but we also have these options of um  using a kinetic battery , like are used in high-tech watches , where you just have to move it a little bit to get it to power up. Um so simple movements like pushing buttons would recharge the battery. Or a solar battery , although there are slight um  complications with solar batteries as in we can't use a latex case if we have a solar battery.


Alright. Um I'm very excited by this one actually guys I uh had a lot of fun doing it. Components design. This is where you look at what does it take to make a remote control and what should we make our specific remote control out of.  Um. So , we need to examine each element separately , but we're designing a full thing , so you wanna keep it integrated as a whole. The main elements of remote controls in general , and therefore ours as well , are the case , the buttons , the circuit board with the chip and the battery. These are all things that we had sort of addressed before , but I'm gonna take each one a little bit separately here as we figure out what they should be made of and what they should look like. The case , uh the options that I've gotten from headquarters about what we can do , um there's there's the shape of a case , we could do a flat sh a flat case , a curved case or maybe even a double double-curved case. I haven't seen any pictures of what this exactly looks like yet , just keep that in mind , but these are the options that we have from manufacturing and we can make our case out of plastic , the m the main base will be plastic , but we have all these sort of fashion and technological elements we can add in , wood , latex , titanium , rubber or other coloured types of plastic. That would be our case. Um buttons , for buttons we have um pushbuttons , which is what Real Reaction uses the most often , but we also have scror scroll wheels ,

which can have integrated pushbuttons , or we could go all high-tech and have an L_ L_C_D_ screen.  Um circuit board and chip we can have a simple one , a regular one or an advanced one , depending on what our other needs are. And then battery I think is where things get most exciting. We're talking about long-life batteries here.  Um we can we can have your sort of basic double A_ batteries , but we also have these options of um  using a kinetic battery , like are used in high-tech watches , where you just have to move it a little bit to get it to power up. Um so simple movements like pushing buttons would recharge the battery. Or a solar battery , although there are slight um  complications with solar batteries as in we can't use a latex case if we have a solar battery.


which can have integrated pushbuttons , or we could go all high-tech and have an L_ L_C_D_ screen.  Um circuit board and chip we can have a simple one , a regular one or an advanced one , depending on what our other needs are. And then battery I think is where things get most exciting. We're talking about long-life batteries here.  Um we can we can have your sort of basic double A_ batteries , but we also have these options of um  using a kinetic battery , like are used in high-tech watches , where you just have to move it a little bit to get it to power up. Um so simple movements like pushing buttons would recharge the battery. Or a solar battery , although there are slight um  complications with solar batteries as in we can't use a latex case if we have a solar battery.

Or um something they only described as the type of battery you find in torches from about fifty years ago , flashlights. Not quite sure what that is , but that's the description that I received , so that's what I'm passing on to you.  So those are our options. Um personal preferences that I was thinking through  here's what we've been talking about all through , fashion and simplicity. So if we're going for fashion in our cases , I think that what we're gonna wanna look at is a curved or a double-curved case , probably with a variety of design elements. Maybe titanium , maybe some wood. We're gonna have to investigate that better when I get specifics of the actual materials , but that's sort of what I have in mind. And we wanna go for simplicity. Probably pushbuttons , but I'm sort of intrigued by the idea of a scroll scroll wheel , if anyone has anything


Or um something they only described as the type of battery you find in torches from about fifty years ago , flashlights. Not quite sure what that is , but that's the description that I received , so that's what I'm passing on to you.  So those are our options. Um personal preferences that I was thinking through  here's what we've been talking about all through , fashion and simplicity. So if we're going for fashion in our cases , I think that what we're gonna wanna look at is a curved or a double-curved case , probably with a variety of design elements. Maybe titanium , maybe some wood. We're gonna have to investigate that better when I get specifics of the actual materials , but that's sort of what I have in mind. And we wanna go for simplicity. Probably pushbuttons , but I'm sort of intrigued by the idea of a scroll scroll wheel , if anyone has anything

any ideas on that ? I mean I know the iPods and things right now have touch scroll um buttons which are exactly like what they're describing , so that might be something we wanna look into. And I'm really intrigued by the idea of a kinetic battery.  Solar I don't think would be such a good idea , because how often are you sure that your remote control will get a certain amount of light.


Or um something they only described as the type of battery you find in torches from about fifty years ago , flashlights. Not quite sure what that is , but that's the description that I received , so that's what I'm passing on to you.  So those are our options. Um personal preferences that I was thinking through  here's what we've been talking about all through , fashion and simplicity. So if we're going for fashion in our cases , I think that what we're gonna wanna look at is a curved or a double-curved case , probably with a variety of design elements. Maybe titanium , maybe some wood. We're gonna have to investigate that better when I get specifics of the actual materials , but that's sort of what I have in mind. And we wanna go for simplicity. Probably pushbuttons , but I'm sort of intrigued by the idea of a scroll scroll wheel , if anyone has anything

any ideas on that ? I mean I know the iPods and things right now have touch scroll um buttons which are exactly like what they're describing , so that might be something we wanna look into. And I'm really intrigued by the idea of a kinetic battery.  Solar I don't think would be such a good idea , because how often are you sure that your remote control will get a certain amount of light.

But this idea of the kinetic , that you don't have to replace , and that a simple just shaking it around will make it work , I think that that m would be a very interesting thing. But I think we'd also wanna go for e a simple chip or regular chip to keep our costs down. Uh we really only need a regular or advanced chip t if we're gonna start using an L_C_D_. So I think we want to be aware of not making things overly t technological if they don't need to be , 'cause that'll keep our manufacturing price way down. That's what I have for options. Um I'd appreciate anyone's input , but that's what I'm seeing for the future of the the look of this thing.


any ideas on that ? I mean I know the iPods and things right now have touch scroll um buttons which are exactly like what they're describing , so that might be something we wanna look into. And I'm really intrigued by the idea of a kinetic battery.  Solar I don't think would be such a good idea , because how often are you sure that your remote control will get a certain amount of light.

But this idea of the kinetic , that you don't have to replace , and that a simple just shaking it around will make it work , I think that that m would be a very interesting thing. But I think we'd also wanna go for e a simple chip or regular chip to keep our costs down. Uh we really only need a regular or advanced chip t if we're gonna start using an L_C_D_. So I think we want to be aware of not making things overly t technological if they don't need to be , 'cause that'll keep our manufacturing price way down. That's what I have for options. Um I'd appreciate anyone's input , but that's what I'm seeing for the future of the the look of this thing.

Is double-curved like  would be like two hands kind of thing ?


any ideas on that ? I mean I know the iPods and things right now have touch scroll um buttons which are exactly like what they're describing , so that might be something we wanna look into. And I'm really intrigued by the idea of a kinetic battery.  Solar I don't think would be such a good idea , because how often are you sure that your remote control will get a certain amount of light.

But this idea of the kinetic , that you don't have to replace , and that a simple just shaking it around will make it work , I think that that m would be a very interesting thing. But I think we'd also wanna go for e a simple chip or regular chip to keep our costs down. Uh we really only need a regular or advanced chip t if we're gonna start using an L_C_D_. So I think we want to be aware of not making things overly t technological if they don't need to be , 'cause that'll keep our manufacturing price way down. That's what I have for options. Um I'd appreciate anyone's input , but that's what I'm seeing for the future of the the look of this thing.

Is double-curved like  would be like two hands kind of thing ?

I'm not sure. I haven't received any specific


But this idea of the kinetic , that you don't have to replace , and that a simple just shaking it around will make it work , I think that that m would be a very interesting thing. But I think we'd also wanna go for e a simple chip or regular chip to keep our costs down. Uh we really only need a regular or advanced chip t if we're gonna start using an L_C_D_. So I think we want to be aware of not making things overly t technological if they don't need to be , 'cause that'll keep our manufacturing price way down. That's what I have for options. Um I'd appreciate anyone's input , but that's what I'm seeing for the future of the the look of this thing.

Is double-curved like  would be like two hands kind of thing ?

I'm not sure. I haven't received any specific


Is double-curved like  would be like two hands kind of thing ?

I'm not sure. I haven't received any specific


I'm not sure. I haven't received any specific

'Cause I'm imagining like double-curved is like , you know , like two sides that curve


'Cause I'm imagining like double-curved is like , you know , like two sides that curve


'Cause I'm imagining like double-curved is like , you know , like two sides that curve

and then like one curve would just be like a single vertical-ish kind of looking thing ,


and then like one curve would just be like a single vertical-ish kind of looking thing ,


and then like one curve would just be like a single vertical-ish kind of looking thing ,

but I'll let you know as soon as I get any pictures.


but I'll let you know as soon as I get any pictures.


but I'll let you know as soon as I get any pictures.

I know if we do have a double-curved case , it can't have any titanium in it. But the titanium , they were quite  they're marketing quite hard to us as being used in the space programme , so that could be quite interesting.


I know if we do have a double-curved case , it can't have any titanium in it. But the titanium , they were quite  they're marketing quite hard to us as being used in the space programme , so that could be quite interesting.


I know if we do have a double-curved case , it can't have any titanium in it. But the titanium , they were quite  they're marketing quite hard to us as being used in the space programme , so that could be quite interesting.

Mm-hmm.  Just an interesting marketing kind of element.


I know if we do have a double-curved case , it can't have any titanium in it. But the titanium , they were quite  they're marketing quite hard to us as being used in the space programme , so that could be quite interesting.

Mm-hmm.  Just an interesting marketing kind of element.

Just all things to keep in mind. Yeah.  That's about all I have to do , guys. I hope I didn't go through that too quickly.


Mm-hmm.  Just an interesting marketing kind of element.

Just all things to keep in mind. Yeah.  That's about all I have to do , guys. I hope I didn't go through that too quickly.

Uh just a real quick question um the weight of these different elements , have you


Just all things to keep in mind. Yeah.  That's about all I have to do , guys. I hope I didn't go through that too quickly.

Uh just a real quick question um the weight of these different elements , have you


Uh just a real quick question um the weight of these different elements , have you

no idea , no idea. Um I'm assuming that a kinetic battery isn't gonna take up that much weight ,


no idea , no idea. Um I'm assuming that a kinetic battery isn't gonna take up that much weight ,


no idea , no idea. Um I'm assuming that a kinetic battery isn't gonna take up that much weight ,

and that a tita titanium is very light , I know ,


and that a tita titanium is very light , I know ,


and that a tita titanium is very light , I know ,

that's really basic , I mean , that's all I have gotten so far.


that's really basic , I mean , that's all I have gotten so far.


I have save this in the uh shared projects , if anyone wants to look


I have save this in the uh shared projects , if anyone wants to look

and I have c considerable notes on the topic as well , if anyone needs any more information. Uh


and I have c considerable notes on the topic as well , if anyone needs any more information. Uh

Um if you made notes yourself you can put those on our um  underneath our  oh , uh in your book ,


Um if you made notes yourself you can put those on our um  underneath our  oh , uh in your book ,


Um if you made notes yourself you can put those on our um  underneath our  oh , uh in your book ,

but if anyone has any specific questions , don't hesitate to email me or something. Alright ? Uh I guess I can


but if anyone has any specific questions , don't hesitate to email me or something. Alright ? Uh I guess I can

'Kay now we're um concepts concepts of user interface.


but if anyone has any specific questions , don't hesitate to email me or something. Alright ? Uh I guess I can

'Kay now we're um concepts concepts of user interface.

Yeah , um. This one's so much tighter than the other one.


'Kay now we're um concepts concepts of user interface.

Yeah , um. This one's so much tighter than the other one.


Yeah , um. This one's so much tighter than the other one.


Alright , so I'm gonna describe the the concept of the user interface of this des device. Um we've talked about uh the two essential properties of the user interface. We want it to be simple and we want it to be fashionable. Um other  we've also got to remember that this is a device that serves as a useful purpose. Uh we want people to be able to use it s as a remote control , so we need to determine what the essential functions of the d of the device are and make sure that we include  that we've included all of those and that we actually end up with a device that is going to be useful to people. We have a number of different choices for a design concept um and s that's that's something that that I'll show you some examples of um , but essentially we need to choose how how is this device going to work ,


Alright , so I'm gonna describe the the concept of the user interface of this des device. Um we've talked about uh the two essential properties of the user interface. We want it to be simple and we want it to be fashionable. Um other  we've also got to remember that this is a device that serves as a useful purpose. Uh we want people to be able to use it s as a remote control , so we need to determine what the essential functions of the d of the device are and make sure that we include  that we've included all of those and that we actually end up with a device that is going to be useful to people. We have a number of different choices for a design concept um and s that's that's something that that I'll show you some examples of um , but essentially we need to choose how how is this device going to work ,

how how  what kind of model is there going to be for user interaction with this device. Uh once we've chosen a a concept for it , we can then design the features around the concept , making sure that we get all the essential functions in the device and uh the extra functions and the more advanced features. And of course we also have to make it look cool.


Alright , so I'm gonna describe the the concept of the user interface of this des device. Um we've talked about uh the two essential properties of the user interface. We want it to be simple and we want it to be fashionable. Um other  we've also got to remember that this is a device that serves as a useful purpose. Uh we want people to be able to use it s as a remote control , so we need to determine what the essential functions of the d of the device are and make sure that we include  that we've included all of those and that we actually end up with a device that is going to be useful to people. We have a number of different choices for a design concept um and s that's that's something that that I'll show you some examples of um , but essentially we need to choose how how is this device going to work ,

how how  what kind of model is there going to be for user interaction with this device. Uh once we've chosen a a concept for it , we can then design the features around the concept , making sure that we get all the essential functions in the device and uh the extra functions and the more advanced features. And of course we also have to make it look cool.

that's what we don't want.  M we don't want lots of buttons , uh complicated features. We want something that looks nice and simple.


how how  what kind of model is there going to be for user interaction with this device. Uh once we've chosen a a concept for it , we can then design the features around the concept , making sure that we get all the essential functions in the device and uh the extra functions and the more advanced features. And of course we also have to make it look cool.

that's what we don't want.  M we don't want lots of buttons , uh complicated features. We want something that looks nice and simple.


that's what we don't want.  M we don't want lots of buttons , uh complicated features. We want something that looks nice and simple.

Here's a a fairly simple device. This is an an iPod from Apple. Um I think the main thing to notice about it is it just has four buttons. It's very minimalistic in its design. Uh you use these four buttons to m to move around a range of settings on the small L_C_D_ screen. Um  the thing I like about this is that it's very very quick to access the main features. Uh you can just about make out uh that the button  three buttons are uh previous track , next track and play pause. They're the main the main features of the iPod , the things you will use a all the time. Um then if you want to do anything more advanced , you go into the little menu on the L_C_D_ screen and you use the buttons just to scroll around and and find the more advanced features that you want. So I think that's that's a good a good kind of model that we could have. Um  here's a another example. This is uh  it's an interesting idea and I think i it looks pretty cool. Um it's certainly got novelty value.


Here's a a fairly simple device. This is an an iPod from Apple. Um I think the main thing to notice about it is it just has four buttons. It's very minimalistic in its design. Uh you use these four buttons to m to move around a range of settings on the small L_C_D_ screen. Um  the thing I like about this is that it's very very quick to access the main features. Uh you can just about make out uh that the button  three buttons are uh previous track , next track and play pause. They're the main the main features of the iPod , the things you will use a all the time. Um then if you want to do anything more advanced , you go into the little menu on the L_C_D_ screen and you use the buttons just to scroll around and and find the more advanced features that you want. So I think that's that's a good a good kind of model that we could have. Um  here's a another example. This is uh  it's an interesting idea and I think i it looks pretty cool. Um it's certainly got novelty value.

Uh it's nice and colourful , it's nice and bright. Uh it's also something that you can kind of feel your way around. The buttons are are different shapes and and you can sort of  yeah if you're watching T_V_ in the dark or whatever , you can work out which button's which and basically , yeah it's ith it's fun. So I  I like I like this idea of just having buttons for the features that you use most often. So you'd need a few buttons to select your favourite channels. I mean most people , when they watch T_V_ , they have two hundred and fifty channels on their T_V_ and they watch of 'bout four of them at the most. So , you have buttons for your favourite channel , changing the volume , which is something you do all the time when you're watching T_V_ , and the button to switch it off , in case you get bored. Um other features , things like adjusting the brightness , tuning the T_V_ , uh I don't know what else you do with a T_V_. Um but these are these are all necessary functions. Uh you can't have a t there's no point having a television that you can't tune or that you can't set the contrast , so we need to find a way of including these somehow. Um and one other suggestions I'd make is to in is to include in a menu system , a bit like on the iPod. So we'd either have a small L_C_D_ display on the device itself , or uh have a dis a menu display that comes up on your television and can b be controlled through the device.


Uh it's nice and colourful , it's nice and bright. Uh it's also something that you can kind of feel your way around. The buttons are are different shapes and and you can sort of  yeah if you're watching T_V_ in the dark or whatever , you can work out which button's which and basically , yeah it's ith it's fun. So I  I like I like this idea of just having buttons for the features that you use most often. So you'd need a few buttons to select your favourite channels. I mean most people , when they watch T_V_ , they have two hundred and fifty channels on their T_V_ and they watch of 'bout four of them at the most. So , you have buttons for your favourite channel , changing the volume , which is something you do all the time when you're watching T_V_ , and the button to switch it off , in case you get bored. Um other features , things like adjusting the brightness , tuning the T_V_ , uh I don't know what else you do with a T_V_. Um but these are these are all necessary functions. Uh you can't have a t there's no point having a television that you can't tune or that you can't set the contrast , so we need to find a way of including these somehow. Um and one other suggestions I'd make is to in is to include in a menu system , a bit like on the iPod. So we'd either have a small L_C_D_ display on the device itself , or uh have a dis a menu display that comes up on your television and can b be controlled through the device.

And that would allow you to access access the advanced features uh whilst keeping a very small and simple set of buttons for the features that you use most often.


And that would allow you to access access the advanced features uh whilst keeping a very small and simple set of buttons for the features that you use most often.


And that would allow you to access access the advanced features uh whilst keeping a very small and simple set of buttons for the features that you use most often.

I think that's  that's one way to go , yes.


I think that's  that's one way to go , yes.


I think that's  that's one way to go , yes.

Um I mean there are there are advantages and disadvantages if you if you have an L_C_D_ display , it's it's nice , because it's  it it lets you just sort of sit there and st and control your television from your armchair.


Um I mean there are there are advantages and disadvantages if you if you have an L_C_D_ display , it's it's nice , because it's  it it lets you just sort of sit there and st and control your television from your armchair.

There are disadvantages , an an L_C_D_ display would have to be quite small , 'cause we're we're  I


There are disadvantages , an an L_C_D_ display would have to be quite small , 'cause we're we're  I

well we're  I assume we're gonna be making quite a small device. Um it would also have to have uh a kind of backlighting in it , 'cause you ten you tend to watch T_V_ in the dark ,


well we're  I assume we're gonna be making quite a small device. Um it would also have to have uh a kind of backlighting in it , 'cause you ten you tend to watch T_V_ in the dark ,


well we're  I assume we're gonna be making quite a small device. Um it would also have to have uh a kind of backlighting in it , 'cause you ten you tend to watch T_V_ in the dark ,

but you need to be able to see your L_D_D_ L_C_D_ display. The alternative is to have a  an on-screen display on your television that you control through your remote control. Uh a bit like a bit like how they have these um digital boxes where you you press the buttons and it comes up with your  this thing of watch lo what's on each channel.


but you need to be able to see your L_D_D_ L_C_D_ display. The alternative is to have a  an on-screen display on your television that you control through your remote control. Uh a bit like a bit like how they have these um digital boxes where you you press the buttons and it comes up with your  this thing of watch lo what's on each channel.


but you need to be able to see your L_D_D_ L_C_D_ display. The alternative is to have a  an on-screen display on your television that you control through your remote control. Uh a bit like a bit like how they have these um digital boxes where you you press the buttons and it comes up with your  this thing of watch lo what's on each channel.

I mean that that's also a good idea. It's it can it does have it's problems as well , if you've got a small T_V_ and you're sitting on the other side of a room , it's hard to read the little text that comes up.


I mean that that's also a good idea. It's it can it does have it's problems as well , if you've got a small T_V_ and you're sitting on the other side of a room , it's hard to read the little text that comes up.


I mean that that's also a good idea. It's it can it does have it's problems as well , if you've got a small T_V_ and you're sitting on the other side of a room , it's hard to read the little text that comes up.

Uh but that's a that's a design decision that we can make.


Uh but that's a that's a design decision that we can make.


Uh but that's a that's a design decision that we can make.

I do think that um one of the important features for a remote is seeing a menu and seeing what's on.


I do think that um one of the important features for a remote is seeing a menu and seeing what's on.


I do think that um one of the important features for a remote is seeing a menu and seeing what's on.

like favourite channels is is applicable , but I think th that you do need to have some kind of function where it's  um you have t you can see the title of the show or possibly a description of it.


like favourite channels is is applicable , but I think th that you do need to have some kind of function where it's  um you have t you can see the title of the show or possibly a description of it.


Wait , but is that separate from what he was saying ?


Wait , but is that separate from what he was saying ?

if it if it was a L_ L_C_D_ on th on the remote , I don't know that you could f that you'd be able to see a


if it if it was a L_ L_C_D_ on th on the remote , I don't know that you could f that you'd be able to see a

No , I think I think we're talking menu like contrast and tuning the V_C_R_ or something if I've understood you correctly , rather than menu as what's on.


if it if it was a L_ L_C_D_ on th on the remote , I don't know that you could f that you'd be able to see a

No , I think I think we're talking menu like contrast and tuning the V_C_R_ or something if I've understood you correctly , rather than menu as what's on.

Yeah , that that would be one of the features , yes.


No , I think I think we're talking menu like contrast and tuning the V_C_R_ or something if I've understood you correctly , rather than menu as what's on.

Yeah , that that would be one of the features , yes.

Okay. 'Cause that would be more specifically a digital box ,


Yeah , that that would be one of the features , yes.

Okay. 'Cause that would be more specifically a digital box ,

But it's it's it's something to bear in mind is that if we put a display on the remote control the c uh communication is one way ,


Okay. 'Cause that would be more specifically a digital box ,

But it's it's it's something to bear in mind is that if we put a display on the remote control the c uh communication is one way ,

so you can't have the televisions and information back to the remote control , at least I don't think you can.


But it's it's it's something to bear in mind is that if we put a display on the remote control the c uh communication is one way ,

so you can't have the televisions and information back to the remote control , at least I don't think you can.


so you can't have the televisions and information back to the remote control , at least I don't think you can.


Okay , now we're moving on to market. Marketing.


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five ? I just keep pressing lots of 'em. Well , I don't know how relevant all of this gonna be.  If anything , the  that they gave me.

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Oops , it's not plugged in , quite in well enough.


Oh yeah.  Okay , so we're gonna look a little bit at trend watching.  Basically , I was given um an executive summary that was a market investigation on remote controls that was recently conducted , and then also some fashion watchers in Paris and Milan commented on some things that are gonna be going on this year.


Oh yeah.  Okay , so we're gonna look a little bit at trend watching.  Basically , I was given um an executive summary that was a market investigation on remote controls that was recently conducted , and then also some fashion watchers in Paris and Milan commented on some things that are gonna be going on this year.

So first um they had people  they ranked um the important aspects of r remote controls , and right now i d they're saying that currently there's a functional look and feel preference , but that really , over the next year it it that's gonna be switching to fancy look and feel remotes , so that just goes back to the whole desire of our c Real Reaction company wanting to focus on fashion and so , even though we're stressing , when we're talking , we've all been talking about this like simplicity and easy to use idea , they're sort of wanting us to remember that the number one thing for everyone is that it's fancy look and feel. And as these are ranked , the top one is doubly important to the second one , which is doubly important to the third one ,


Oh yeah.  Okay , so we're gonna look a little bit at trend watching.  Basically , I was given um an executive summary that was a market investigation on remote controls that was recently conducted , and then also some fashion watchers in Paris and Milan commented on some things that are gonna be going on this year.

So first um they had people  they ranked um the important aspects of r remote controls , and right now i d they're saying that currently there's a functional look and feel preference , but that really , over the next year it it that's gonna be switching to fancy look and feel remotes , so that just goes back to the whole desire of our c Real Reaction company wanting to focus on fashion and so , even though we're stressing , when we're talking , we've all been talking about this like simplicity and easy to use idea , they're sort of wanting us to remember that the number one thing for everyone is that it's fancy look and feel. And as these are ranked , the top one is doubly important to the second one , which is doubly important to the third one ,

so just to take that weight into account.  The second thing that was mentioned as important was the technological innovations. That would be like if we use something like the space material or the L_C_D_ screen , things like that. And then ease of use was the third most important , whi so really , no matter what , we need to focus the most on fancy look and feel , according to this. I don't know how much we agree with that.  And then  the fashion watch talks about that this year's top trend for clothes ,


So first um they had people  they ranked um the important aspects of r remote controls , and right now i d they're saying that currently there's a functional look and feel preference , but that really , over the next year it it that's gonna be switching to fancy look and feel remotes , so that just goes back to the whole desire of our c Real Reaction company wanting to focus on fashion and so , even though we're stressing , when we're talking , we've all been talking about this like simplicity and easy to use idea , they're sort of wanting us to remember that the number one thing for everyone is that it's fancy look and feel. And as these are ranked , the top one is doubly important to the second one , which is doubly important to the third one ,

so just to take that weight into account.  The second thing that was mentioned as important was the technological innovations. That would be like if we use something like the space material or the L_C_D_ screen , things like that. And then ease of use was the third most important , whi so really , no matter what , we need to focus the most on fancy look and feel , according to this. I don't know how much we agree with that.  And then  the fashion watch talks about that this year's top trend for clothes ,

shoes and furniture is fruits and vegetables and tha that there's a preference for spongy ,  tight material.


so just to take that weight into account.  The second thing that was mentioned as important was the technological innovations. That would be like if we use something like the space material or the L_C_D_ screen , things like that. And then ease of use was the third most important , whi so really , no matter what , we need to focus the most on fancy look and feel , according to this. I don't know how much we agree with that.  And then  the fashion watch talks about that this year's top trend for clothes ,

shoes and furniture is fruits and vegetables and tha that there's a preference for spongy ,  tight material.


so just to take that weight into account.  The second thing that was mentioned as important was the technological innovations. That would be like if we use something like the space material or the L_C_D_ screen , things like that. And then ease of use was the third most important , whi so really , no matter what , we need to focus the most on fancy look and feel , according to this. I don't know how much we agree with that.  And then  the fashion watch talks about that this year's top trend for clothes ,

shoes and furniture is fruits and vegetables and tha that there's a preference for spongy ,  tight material.

And so that brings us to my personal preferences. Who wants a spongy remote or one with  fruit and vegetable padding.


shoes and furniture is fruits and vegetables and tha that there's a preference for spongy ,  tight material.

And so that brings us to my personal preferences. Who wants a spongy remote or one with  fruit and vegetable padding.

Personally , I don't really think that I want one that's gonna go out of style or go stale , excuse the pun , um in a year , so


And so that brings us to my personal preferences. Who wants a spongy remote or one with  fruit and vegetable padding.

Personally , I don't really think that I want one that's gonna go out of style or go stale , excuse the pun , um in a year , so

even though this is coming from us as , you know , trend watch , market research , I don't know how much of it we necessarily  wanna take away.


And so that brings us to my personal preferences. Who wants a spongy remote or one with  fruit and vegetable padding.

Personally , I don't really think that I want one that's gonna go out of style or go stale , excuse the pun , um in a year , so

even though this is coming from us as , you know , trend watch , market research , I don't know how much of it we necessarily  wanna take away.

Also , considering that the d research b has been carried out by Real Reaction , I'm a little hesitant as to  like , how these questions may have been worded , and if necessarily this whole fashion to technology y edas ease of use is necessarily the right ranking. Personally , like I might reverse it , but if we're working for this company then I guess no matter what , we have to stress fashion the most.  But  it doesn't necessarily need to be a spongy material.


Personally , I don't really think that I want one that's gonna go out of style or go stale , excuse the pun , um in a year , so

even though this is coming from us as , you know , trend watch , market research , I don't know how much of it we necessarily  wanna take away.

Also , considering that the d research b has been carried out by Real Reaction , I'm a little hesitant as to  like , how these questions may have been worded , and if necessarily this whole fashion to technology y edas ease of use is necessarily the right ranking. Personally , like I might reverse it , but if we're working for this company then I guess no matter what , we have to stress fashion the most.  But  it doesn't necessarily need to be a spongy material.


even though this is coming from us as , you know , trend watch , market research , I don't know how much of it we necessarily  wanna take away.

Also , considering that the d research b has been carried out by Real Reaction , I'm a little hesitant as to  like , how these questions may have been worded , and if necessarily this whole fashion to technology y edas ease of use is necessarily the right ranking. Personally , like I might reverse it , but if we're working for this company then I guess no matter what , we have to stress fashion the most.  But  it doesn't necessarily need to be a spongy material.

That  there's all kinds of scope for imagination in that one though.


Also , considering that the d research b has been carried out by Real Reaction , I'm a little hesitant as to  like , how these questions may have been worded , and if necessarily this whole fashion to technology y edas ease of use is necessarily the right ranking. Personally , like I might reverse it , but if we're working for this company then I guess no matter what , we have to stress fashion the most.  But  it doesn't necessarily need to be a spongy material.

That  there's all kinds of scope for imagination in that one though.

Yeah.  I don't have a lot of notes to share if you want them ,


That  there's all kinds of scope for imagination in that one though.

Yeah.  I don't have a lot of notes to share if you want them ,


That  there's all kinds of scope for imagination in that one though.

Yeah.  I don't have a lot of notes to share if you want them ,

Okay , do we have any  s some questions for this , let's see um.


Yeah.  I don't have a lot of notes to share if you want them ,

Okay , do we have any  s some questions for this , let's see um.

Yeah , what can I possibly enlighten on ?


Okay , do we have any  s some questions for this , let's see um.

Yeah , what can I possibly enlighten on ?

Um do you have any ideas how to possibly use these ? Um how to how to use a fruit or vegetable or um or the spongy material at all ?


Okay , do we have any  s some questions for this , let's see um.

Yeah , what can I possibly enlighten on ?

Um do you have any ideas how to possibly use these ? Um how to how to use a fruit or vegetable or um or the spongy material at all ?

Like could we make a s like could we make a spongy remote ? It would be easier on the hands.


Yeah , what can I possibly enlighten on ?

Um do you have any ideas how to possibly use these ? Um how to how to use a fruit or vegetable or um or the spongy material at all ?

Like could we make a s like could we make a spongy remote ? It would be easier on the hands.


Um do you have any ideas how to possibly use these ? Um how to how to use a fruit or vegetable or um or the spongy material at all ?

Like could we make a s like could we make a spongy remote ? It would be easier on the hands.


Like could we make a s like could we make a spongy remote ? It would be easier on the hands.


we would have to find a way to protect like the chip and all that ,


we would have to find a way to protect like the chip and all that ,

An uh I  if  th  my understanding of a latex case is that it's in fact hard to protect stuff inside ,


An uh I  if  th  my understanding of a latex case is that it's in fact hard to protect stuff inside ,


An uh I  if  th  my understanding of a latex case is that it's in fact hard to protect stuff inside ,

but that it's covered with the latex , which is spongier and softer on your hands. It's  there's something to be said , I mean we we got that thing earlier from you about um not wanting it to  R_ R_ repetitive stress injuries and things


but that it's covered with the latex , which is spongier and softer on your hands. It's  there's something to be said , I mean we we got that thing earlier from you about um not wanting it to  R_ R_ repetitive stress injuries and things


Yeah , so something , m m instead of a necess


Yeah , so something , m m instead of a necess

something grippable , I mean we don't we don't we don't wanna go spongy , maybe.


Yeah , so something , m m instead of a necess

something grippable , I mean we don't we don't we don't wanna go spongy , maybe.

yeah , grip , I'm thinking grip more than like sinking into your hands ,


something grippable , I mean we don't we don't we don't wanna go spongy , maybe.

yeah , grip , I'm thinking grip more than like sinking into your hands ,

you know , i and I think I'm envisioning more like , you know , the material that you have when you sit on like a bicycle ,


yeah , grip , I'm thinking grip more than like sinking into your hands ,

you know , i and I think I'm envisioning more like , you know , the material that you have when you sit on like a bicycle ,


you know , i and I think I'm envisioning more like , you know , the material that you have when you sit on like a bicycle ,


you know , i and I think I'm envisioning more like , you know , the material that you have when you sit on like a bicycle ,

so that it doesn't hurt when you're sitting down for a long time ,


so that it doesn't hurt when you're sitting down for a long time ,


so that it doesn't hurt when you're sitting down for a long time ,

like I'm imagining that sort of thing , I don't know what th that material's called.


so that it doesn't hurt when you're sitting down for a long time ,

like I'm imagining that sort of thing , I don't know what th that material's called.

Yeah , I think that given the list of materials I w I was forwarded it's  that seems doable.  could we go in fruit and vegetable colours ? We could colour-co-ordinate them ,


like I'm imagining that sort of thing , I don't know what th that material's called.

Yeah , I think that given the list of materials I w I was forwarded it's  that seems doable.  could we go in fruit and vegetable colours ? We could colour-co-ordinate them ,


Yeah , I think that given the list of materials I w I was forwarded it's  that seems doable.  could we go in fruit and vegetable colours ? We could colour-co-ordinate them ,

um couple main ones being like , I dunno , lemons or strawberries or something.


um couple main ones being like , I dunno , lemons or strawberries or something.


um couple main ones being like , I dunno , lemons or strawberries or something.

I Is it supposed to be shaped like a vegetable ? Uh like uh I dunno , like uh carrots or something.


I Is it supposed to be shaped like a vegetable ? Uh like uh I dunno , like uh carrots or something.


it's quite easy to s shape thing like carrot


Or maybe the buttons could be shaped like different fruits.


Or maybe the buttons could be shaped like different fruits.

What about the idea of like a round remote ? Instead of like a vertical up and down one. Like in terms of holding it. Like that's a f shape of a fruit.


What about the idea of like a round remote ? Instead of like a vertical up and down one. Like in terms of holding it. Like that's a f shape of a fruit.


It'd be harder to f bu uh buttons I think.


It'd be harder to f bu uh buttons I think.

would you think you you  do you think you'd be able to hold it ?


It'd be harder to f bu uh buttons I think.

would you think you you  do you think you'd be able to hold it ?

'Cause I think the reason they're long is  yeah.


would you think you you  do you think you'd be able to hold it ?

'Cause I think the reason they're long is  yeah.


'Cause I think the reason they're long is  yeah.


'Cause I think the reason they're long is  yeah.

Depends. When you when you use a remote , do you press the buttons with your thumb , usually ? Or your fingers ?


Depends. When you when you use a remote , do you press the buttons with your thumb , usually ? Or your fingers ?


Or maybe you want something that's shaped like a mobile phone , so you you hold it in one hand , and you press the buttons with your thumb.


Or maybe you want something that's shaped like a mobile phone , so you you hold it in one hand , and you press the buttons with your thumb.

But then the buttons would have to be very small.


But then the buttons would have to be very small.


'cause otherwise your fingers can't move around.


'cause otherwise your fingers can't move around.

But I mean in order to get to all of them ,


But I mean in order to get to all of them ,


They would have to be within a certain amount of space with each other.


But if you've only got like four or five buttons anyway , then it's it's not so much a problem , perhaps.


But if you've only got like four or five buttons anyway , then it's it's not so much a problem , perhaps.

Right. I When I'm when I'm pressing buttons on my iPod , that's how I do it , hold it and press the four. Yeah.


But if you've only got like four or five buttons anyway , then it's it's not so much a problem , perhaps.

Right. I When I'm when I'm pressing buttons on my iPod , that's how I do it , hold it and press the four. Yeah.

So you hold it in one hand and you press you press the buttons with your thumb


Right. I When I'm when I'm pressing buttons on my iPod , that's how I do it , hold it and press the four. Yeah.

So you hold it in one hand and you press you press the buttons with your thumb


So you hold it in one hand and you press you press the buttons with your thumb

Yeah , or in and use my thumb or my pointer finger on the touch scroll wheel.


So you hold it in one hand and you press you press the buttons with your thumb

Yeah , or in and use my thumb or my pointer finger on the touch scroll wheel.

and  And you find that works quite well ?


Yeah , or in and use my thumb or my pointer finger on the touch scroll wheel.

and  And you find that works quite well ?

I love the idea of the wheel like the iPod.


and  And you find that works quite well ?

I love the idea of the wheel like the iPod.


I love the idea of the wheel like the iPod.


The button on an iPod , is it  what is it , is it just four buttons or is it li more like a scroll thing ?


yeah , it would  I mean each version of it has been a little bit different ,


yeah , it would  I mean each version of it has been a little bit different ,

The one I have doesn't have the four on i like around it , I don't think.


yeah , it would  I mean each version of it has been a little bit different ,

The one I have doesn't have the four on i like around it , I don't think.

but  Oh yeah , you had one of the in-between ones , when they weren't doing that anymore. Ts and you press the centre button ,


The one I have doesn't have the four on i like around it , I don't think.

but  Oh yeah , you had one of the in-between ones , when they weren't doing that anymore. Ts and you press the centre button ,

that's that's your all-purpose select button right there.


but  Oh yeah , you had one of the in-between ones , when they weren't doing that anymore. Ts and you press the centre button ,

that's that's your all-purpose select button right there.


that's that's your all-purpose select button right there.

Since it's the one in the centre that's not marked , yeah.


Since it's the one in the centre that's not marked , yeah.

I think why it would be good for us is 'cause like you could have the same wheel sort of effect for like channel flipping and then the other one could be like for volume.


I think why it would be good for us is 'cause like you could have the same wheel sort of effect for like channel flipping and then the other one could be like for volume.


but then how you could go back to the menu and like , I dunno if we would want it on the screen there or on the actual T_V_. I kind of am wanting to say on the T_V_ ,


but then how you could go back to the menu and like , I dunno if we would want it on the screen there or on the actual T_V_. I kind of am wanting to say on the T_V_ ,

'cause if you're changing the brightness , don't you wanna see it happening , kind of ?


'cause if you're changing the brightness , don't you wanna see it happening , kind of ?


And then you could still have that available.


And then you could still have that available.

Yeah , I think an  L_C_D_ screen might be good in theory , but not as useful in practice.


And then you could still have that available.

Yeah , I think an  L_C_D_ screen might be good in theory , but not as useful in practice.

I think it could be difficult in practice ,


Yeah , I think an  L_C_D_ screen might be good in theory , but not as useful in practice.

I think it could be difficult in practice ,

yeah. Also z yeah , 'cause you would be z looking down at the L_C_D_ screen , than back up at your T_V_


I think it could be difficult in practice ,

yeah. Also z yeah , 'cause you would be z looking down at the L_C_D_ screen , than back up at your T_V_


yeah. Also z yeah , 'cause you would be z looking down at the L_C_D_ screen , than back up at your T_V_


Okay um we have we've about fifteen minutes left ,


Okay um we have we've about fifteen minutes left ,

Oh we probably have to get going , don't we ?


Okay um we have we've about fifteen minutes left ,

Oh we probably have to get going , don't we ?

so I'm I'm gonna continue with my pres presentation. Um I've one more slide before we close , but in that slide is when we need to make decisions about this  these kinds of things , so I'll just bring that up and show you all


Oh we probably have to get going , don't we ?

so I'm I'm gonna continue with my pres presentation. Um I've one more slide before we close , but in that slide is when we need to make decisions about this  these kinds of things , so I'll just bring that up and show you all


so I'm I'm gonna continue with my pres presentation. Um I've one more slide before we close , but in that slide is when we need to make decisions about this  these kinds of things , so I'll just bring that up and show you all

Could  Could we uh could we have changeable covers like for your mobile ? In different fruit and vegetable colours ,


Could  Could we uh could we have changeable covers like for your mobile ? In different fruit and vegetable colours ,

If I get any more information of fruits and vegetables , I'll let you know.


If I get any more information of fruits and vegetables , I'll let you know.


Yeah , and then like the the covers could be spongy latex


Yeah , and then like the the covers could be spongy latex

wherea but the actual model could be titanium.


Yeah , and then like the the covers could be spongy latex

wherea but the actual model could be titanium.

And you could co-ordinate with your house  or whatever. All these options.


wherea but the actual model could be titanium.

And you could co-ordinate with your house  or whatever. All these options.

I think maybe th the packaging , it should be like a lemon and the the packaging is like the peel.


And you could co-ordinate with your house  or whatever. All these options.

I think maybe th the packaging , it should be like a lemon and the the packaging is like the peel.

So instead of opening the box you just kind of peel it , and the remote control's inside.


I think maybe th the packaging , it should be like a lemon and the the packaging is like the peel.

So instead of opening the box you just kind of peel it , and the remote control's inside.


So instead of opening the box you just kind of peel it , and the remote control's inside.


there we go. The iPod packaging is me like was so  that was like half the fun.


there we go. The iPod packaging is me like was so  that was like half the fun.

It's like the way it all comes all cute.


It's like the way it all comes all cute.


components concept. Energy , chip on print.


components concept. Energy , chip on print.

Right , I had sort of skipped over that hoping it wouldn't get  be necessary but um


components concept. Energy , chip on print.

Right , I had sort of skipped over that hoping it wouldn't get  be necessary but um

That's th th this is the agenda they gave me. So can you just explain what that is real quick ?


Right , I had sort of skipped over that hoping it wouldn't get  be necessary but um

That's th th this is the agenda they gave me. So can you just explain what that is real quick ?

Alright , so um decisions , what the  okay deci decisions on energy I'm thinking is based on the battery.


That's th th this is the agenda they gave me. So can you just explain what that is real quick ?

Alright , so um decisions , what the  okay deci decisions on energy I'm thinking is based on the battery.

Um I dunno , what do people think about this kinetic battery idea ?


Alright , so um decisions , what the  okay deci decisions on energy I'm thinking is based on the battery.

Um I dunno , what do people think about this kinetic battery idea ?

I think it's awesome. I think it's really cool.


Um I dunno , what do people think about this kinetic battery idea ?

I think it's awesome. I think it's really cool.


Um I dunno , what do people think about this kinetic battery idea ?

I think it's awesome. I think it's really cool.

Yeah , I mean , it would t totally take care of our problem of not wanting to change batteries.


I think it's awesome. I think it's really cool.

Yeah , I mean , it would t totally take care of our problem of not wanting to change batteries.


Yeah , I mean , it would t totally take care of our problem of not wanting to change batteries.

Yeah , um I think it's good , as as long as we consider the the cost and the uh how reliable it is ,


Yeah , um I think it's good , as as long as we consider the the cost and the uh how reliable it is ,

but as far as I know , the technology is good.


but as far as I know , the technology is good.

yeah , any more information on cost other than it's more expensive than a regular battery , but um but if we're using a an i a cheaper chip , then it'll even out , I think.


yeah , any more information on cost other than it's more expensive than a regular battery , but um but if we're using a an i a cheaper chip , then it'll even out , I think.

Um circuit boards. Um yeah , I got a whole bunch of information on how circuit boards are produced. They're  they're thin fibreglass with copper wires etched on to them , and di I think they're quite easily printed on by machine , which is chip on print is where the machine prints on the wires and solders it all together for us.


yeah , any more information on cost other than it's more expensive than a regular battery , but um but if we're using a an i a cheaper chip , then it'll even out , I think.

Um circuit boards. Um yeah , I got a whole bunch of information on how circuit boards are produced. They're  they're thin fibreglass with copper wires etched on to them , and di I think they're quite easily printed on by machine , which is chip on print is where the machine prints on the wires and solders it all together for us.

I don't really know what to tell you as far as decisions. I wasn't really given any options , I was just given that this is how they're done.


Um circuit boards. Um yeah , I got a whole bunch of information on how circuit boards are produced. They're  they're thin fibreglass with copper wires etched on to them , and di I think they're quite easily printed on by machine , which is chip on print is where the machine prints on the wires and solders it all together for us.

I don't really know what to tell you as far as decisions. I wasn't really given any options , I was just given that this is how they're done.


Um circuit boards. Um yeah , I got a whole bunch of information on how circuit boards are produced. They're  they're thin fibreglass with copper wires etched on to them , and di I think they're quite easily printed on by machine , which is chip on print is where the machine prints on the wires and solders it all together for us.

I don't really know what to tell you as far as decisions. I wasn't really given any options , I was just given that this is how they're done.

Um yeah , I can't can't really tell you. I can I can tell you a whole lot about how it works. But I don't know any decisions on


I don't really know what to tell you as far as decisions. I wasn't really given any options , I was just given that this is how they're done.

Um yeah , I can't can't really tell you. I can I can tell you a whole lot about how it works. But I don't know any decisions on


Um yeah , I can't can't really tell you. I can I can tell you a whole lot about how it works. But I don't know any decisions on


Al all circuit boards are pretty much the same , I think. Uh it's fairly fairly standard.


Al all circuit boards are pretty much the same , I think. Uh it's fairly fairly standard.

Um okay , then we'll move on to the case. Um oh bu I guess maybe if we decided on like a simple , a regular , or an advanced chip , maybe.


Al all circuit boards are pretty much the same , I think. Uh it's fairly fairly standard.

Um okay , then we'll move on to the case. Um oh bu I guess maybe if we decided on like a simple , a regular , or an advanced chip , maybe.

Right. Well okay , here's the here's the thing on the chips that I that I got. Um simple , regular , advanced chip on print. The chip on print includes an infrared sensor , so we don't have to worry about that. Um ,  'kay , the pushbutton  if we're gonna have pushbuttons , they require a simple chip , but a scroll wheel requires a regular chip , and an L_C_D_ requires advanced. Do we want a scroll wheel , or do we just want pushbuttons ?


Um okay , then we'll move on to the case. Um oh bu I guess maybe if we decided on like a simple , a regular , or an advanced chip , maybe.

Right. Well okay , here's the here's the thing on the chips that I that I got. Um simple , regular , advanced chip on print. The chip on print includes an infrared sensor , so we don't have to worry about that. Um ,  'kay , the pushbutton  if we're gonna have pushbuttons , they require a simple chip , but a scroll wheel requires a regular chip , and an L_C_D_ requires advanced. Do we want a scroll wheel , or do we just want pushbuttons ?

Um I don't think we ne really need the scroll whe wheel. I mean it might be nice for changing the volume.


Um okay , then we'll move on to the case. Um oh bu I guess maybe if we decided on like a simple , a regular , or an advanced chip , maybe.

Right. Well okay , here's the here's the thing on the chips that I that I got. Um simple , regular , advanced chip on print. The chip on print includes an infrared sensor , so we don't have to worry about that. Um ,  'kay , the pushbutton  if we're gonna have pushbuttons , they require a simple chip , but a scroll wheel requires a regular chip , and an L_C_D_ requires advanced. Do we want a scroll wheel , or do we just want pushbuttons ?

Um I don't think we ne really need the scroll whe wheel. I mean it might be nice for changing the volume.

It would be nice for changing the volume ,


Right. Well okay , here's the here's the thing on the chips that I that I got. Um simple , regular , advanced chip on print. The chip on print includes an infrared sensor , so we don't have to worry about that. Um ,  'kay , the pushbutton  if we're gonna have pushbuttons , they require a simple chip , but a scroll wheel requires a regular chip , and an L_C_D_ requires advanced. Do we want a scroll wheel , or do we just want pushbuttons ?

Um I don't think we ne really need the scroll whe wheel. I mean it might be nice for changing the volume.

It would be nice for changing the volume ,


Um I don't think we ne really need the scroll whe wheel. I mean it might be nice for changing the volume.

It would be nice for changing the volume ,


It would be nice for changing the volume ,

but I don't know how useful it'd be for changing the channel. 'Cause you don't have control over numbers


but I don't know how useful it'd be for changing the channel. 'Cause you don't have control over numbers


Yeah , you really need buttons for changing a channel.


Yeah , you really need buttons for changing a channel.

th it'd be it'd be handy for going through if there was an on-screen menu of your channel choices , than you can scroll down on the scroll.


Yeah , you really need buttons for changing a channel.

th it'd be it'd be handy for going through if there was an on-screen menu of your channel choices , than you can scroll down on the scroll.

But if you c if you could scroll through the channels , and then the volume would just be


th it'd be it'd be handy for going through if there was an on-screen menu of your channel choices , than you can scroll down on the scroll.

But if you c if you could scroll through the channels , and then the volume would just be


But if you c if you could scroll through the channels , and then the volume would just be

We have five minutes left for the meeting , so.


We have five minutes left for the meeting , so.

and the volume would just be like the same way , forward and backward as  I'm just thinking like it would make it much like sleeker sort of looking.


and the volume would just be like the same way , forward and backward as  I'm just thinking like it would make it much like sleeker sort of looking.

And otherwise , no matter how may buttons we have , we're gonna have like , you know , black with red sticking out and th no  it's gonna inevitably sort of start looking like those group of sort of ugly ones that we saw stacked up.


And otherwise , no matter how may buttons we have , we're gonna have like , you know , black with red sticking out and th no  it's gonna inevitably sort of start looking like those group of sort of ugly ones that we saw stacked up.


When you get on the on-screen menu of all your functions that your remote could do for you without the buttons and you could have a scroll wheel to go through those menus.


When you get on the on-screen menu of all your functions that your remote could do for you without the buttons and you could have a scroll wheel to go through those menus.

I think  yeah , I think a scroll wheel would be nice , but it's not necessary. Um


When you get on the on-screen menu of all your functions that your remote could do for you without the buttons and you could have a scroll wheel to go through those menus.

I think  yeah , I think a scroll wheel would be nice , but it's not necessary. Um

Right. So we could either go with a simple or a regular chip , depending  and maybe we could table that decision for later.


I think  yeah , I think a scroll wheel would be nice , but it's not necessary. Um

Right. So we could either go with a simple or a regular chip , depending  and maybe we could table that decision for later.


Right. So we could either go with a simple or a regular chip , depending  and maybe we could table that decision for later.

I think w well  I think when we go on to the une userface , we're gonna have to decide  the interface we're gonna have to decide um whether we're gonna have a scroll or not.


I think w well  I think when we go on to the une userface , we're gonna have to decide  the interface we're gonna have to decide um whether we're gonna have a scroll or not.

Okay. Well , let's think about that while we talk about the case.


I think w well  I think when we go on to the une userface , we're gonna have to decide  the interface we're gonna have to decide um whether we're gonna have a scroll or not.

Okay. Well , let's think about that while we talk about the case.

Uh I'm kinda liking the idea of latex , if if spongy is the in thing.


Okay. Well , let's think about that while we talk about the case.

Uh I'm kinda liking the idea of latex , if if spongy is the in thing.


Uh I'm kinda liking the idea of latex , if if spongy is the in thing.

I'm a little um I'm a little hesitant about it , because I'm worried about protecting the stuff on the inside.


I'm a little um I'm a little hesitant about it , because I'm worried about protecting the stuff on the inside.


I'm a little um I'm a little hesitant about it , because I'm worried about protecting the stuff on the inside.

Oh could it be hard , and then something around it ?


Oh could it be hard , and then something around it ?


Oh could it be hard , and then something around it ?

Yeah , I would be more okay with like a titanium actual thing and then maybe like a mobile phone kind of thing.


Oh could it be hard , and then something around it ?

Yeah , I would be more okay with like a titanium actual thing and then maybe like a mobile phone kind of thing.

N oh wha what I've what I've seen , just not related to this , but of latex cases before , is that  there's uh like a hard plastic inside , and it's just covered with the latex.


Yeah , I would be more okay with like a titanium actual thing and then maybe like a mobile phone kind of thing.

N oh wha what I've what I've seen , just not related to this , but of latex cases before , is that  there's uh like a hard plastic inside , and it's just covered with the latex.


Yeah , I would be more okay with like a titanium actual thing and then maybe like a mobile phone kind of thing.

N oh wha what I've what I've seen , just not related to this , but of latex cases before , is that  there's uh like a hard plastic inside , and it's just covered with the latex.

Not too thick a layer of latex , just enough to be grippable , like bike handles or or anything that you've seen like that.


N oh wha what I've what I've seen , just not related to this , but of latex cases before , is that  there's uh like a hard plastic inside , and it's just covered with the latex.

Not too thick a layer of latex , just enough to be grippable , like bike handles or or anything that you've seen like that.


Not too thick a layer of latex , just enough to be grippable , like bike handles or or anything that you've seen like that.

The inside is hard. I don't think we need to worry about protecting the circuit board ,


The inside is hard. I don't think we need to worry about protecting the circuit board ,


Okay. Latex. Um and probably in colours , maybe fruity , vegetable colours.


Okay. Latex. Um and probably in colours , maybe fruity , vegetable colours.

Fruity colours.  Okay um let's go to the ufe user interface then we'll come back to the chip I suppose.


Okay. Latex. Um and probably in colours , maybe fruity , vegetable colours.

Fruity colours.  Okay um let's go to the ufe user interface then we'll come back to the chip I suppose.

Oh and we want a curved case , yeah ? Or a double-curved ?


Fruity colours.  Okay um let's go to the ufe user interface then we'll come back to the chip I suppose.

Oh and we want a curved case , yeah ? Or a double-curved ?

Well , we don't really know what the difference is , right ?


Oh and we want a curved case , yeah ? Or a double-curved ?

Well , we don't really know what the difference is , right ?


Well , we don't really know what the difference is , right ?


We don't really know what the difference


We don't really know what the difference

Um okay , interface , the type and the supplements. So push or scroll ,


Um okay , interface , the type and the supplements. So push or scroll ,

Yep. Um  And I think if we wanna keep our costs down , we should just go for pushbuttons , 'cause then we can have a a simple chip and it's simpler , it's it's cheaper to make pushbuttons than it is a scroll button.


Yep. Um  And I think if we wanna keep our costs down , we should just go for pushbuttons , 'cause then we can have a a simple chip and it's simpler , it's it's cheaper to make pushbuttons than it is a scroll button.


Yep. Um  And I think if we wanna keep our costs down , we should just go for pushbuttons , 'cause then we can have a a simple chip and it's simpler , it's it's cheaper to make pushbuttons than it is a scroll button.

So in terms of uh in terms of uh economics it's probably better to have pushbuttons.


Yep. Um  And I think if we wanna keep our costs down , we should just go for pushbuttons , 'cause then we can have a a simple chip and it's simpler , it's it's cheaper to make pushbuttons than it is a scroll button.

So in terms of uh in terms of uh economics it's probably better to have pushbuttons.

Mm-hmm. And if we had a sc an on-screen um kind of thing that you could scroll through , like you can use your buttons to scroll through things.


So in terms of uh in terms of uh economics it's probably better to have pushbuttons.

Mm-hmm. And if we had a sc an on-screen um kind of thing that you could scroll through , like you can use your buttons to scroll through things.

Yeah , yeah , it's uh  it's it's fairly simple.


So in terms of uh in terms of uh economics it's probably better to have pushbuttons.

Mm-hmm. And if we had a sc an on-screen um kind of thing that you could scroll through , like you can use your buttons to scroll through things.

Yeah , yeah , it's uh  it's it's fairly simple.

I think that  yeah. For channel surfing I think a scroll  an actual  like an iPod's kind of scroll thing would be too fast , I dunno.


Mm-hmm. And if we had a sc an on-screen um kind of thing that you could scroll through , like you can use your buttons to scroll through things.

Yeah , yeah , it's uh  it's it's fairly simple.

I think that  yeah. For channel surfing I think a scroll  an actual  like an iPod's kind of scroll thing would be too fast , I dunno.

Yeah. I say pushbuttons at least unless we get any information but I have no idea how much more expensive a scroll wheel is than than a pushbutton , but it's gotta be some more expensive , so I think it might be better to put our money into the stuff like the kinetic battery and the cool case


Yeah , yeah , it's uh  it's it's fairly simple.

I think that  yeah. For channel surfing I think a scroll  an actual  like an iPod's kind of scroll thing would be too fast , I dunno.

Yeah. I say pushbuttons at least unless we get any information but I have no idea how much more expensive a scroll wheel is than than a pushbutton , but it's gotta be some more expensive , so I think it might be better to put our money into the stuff like the kinetic battery and the cool case


I think that  yeah. For channel surfing I think a scroll  an actual  like an iPod's kind of scroll thing would be too fast , I dunno.

Yeah. I say pushbuttons at least unless we get any information but I have no idea how much more expensive a scroll wheel is than than a pushbutton , but it's gotta be some more expensive , so I think it might be better to put our money into the stuff like the kinetic battery and the cool case


Yeah. I say pushbuttons at least unless we get any information but I have no idea how much more expensive a scroll wheel is than than a pushbutton , but it's gotta be some more expensive , so I think it might be better to put our money into the stuff like the kinetic battery and the cool case


Yeah. And let's like see if we get anything else. I mean I'm not like hard-sold on the scroll wheel , it's more just to give it a different kind of look ,


Yeah. And let's like see if we get anything else. I mean I'm not like hard-sold on the scroll wheel , it's more just to give it a different kind of look ,

but if it's gonna be in a latex type thing and that's gonna look cool , then that's probably gonna have a bigger impact than the scroll wheel.


but if it's gonna be in a latex type thing and that's gonna look cool , then that's probably gonna have a bigger impact than the scroll wheel.


but if it's gonna be in a latex type thing and that's gonna look cool , then that's probably gonna have a bigger impact than the scroll wheel.

Okay , so we're gonna go with um type pushbuttons , and then supplements ,


Okay , so we're gonna go with um type pushbuttons , and then supplements ,


Okay , so we're gonna go with um type pushbuttons , and then supplements ,

Uh what do you mean by supplements , exactly ?


Uh what do you mean by supplements , exactly ?

Um I assume that's what else we're gonna  like h ha the um the additional buttons we can use.


Uh what do you mean by supplements , exactly ?

Um I assume that's what else we're gonna  like h ha the um the additional buttons we can use.

So we're gonna have like a menu button ,


Um I assume that's what else we're gonna  like h ha the um the additional buttons we can use.

So we're gonna have like a menu button ,


So we're gonna have like a menu button ,

so that we can access on-screen things then ?


so that we can access on-screen things then ?

Okay , um so we're doing an on-screen menu that we can scroll through.


Okay , um so we're doing an on-screen menu that we can scroll through.


Okay , um so we're doing an on-screen menu that we can scroll through.

So what are what are our buttons gonna be ?


So what are what are our buttons gonna be ?


So what are what are our buttons gonna be ?

uh volume , favourite channels , uh and menu.


uh volume , favourite channels , uh and menu.


about  yeah like  yeah , a bit like radio presets. Um


about  yeah like  yeah , a bit like radio presets. Um

Pre-set channels and then we're gonna need um numbers one through zero , right ?


Pre-set channels and then we're gonna need um numbers one through zero , right ?

I think maybe numbers seems  is kind of old-fashioned.


I think maybe numbers seems  is kind of old-fashioned.

Well , but in order to pre-set a cha oh I guess you can just hold it down when you get to one when you're scrolling through.


Well , but in order to pre-set a cha oh I guess you can just hold it down when you get to one when you're scrolling through.

and you need some kind of , I dunno , sort of up down kind of button ,


and you need some kind of , I dunno , sort of up down kind of button ,


and you need some kind of , I dunno , sort of up down kind of button ,

but the volume control could double for that , for example.


and you need some kind of , I dunno , sort of up down kind of button ,

but the volume control could double for that , for example.

Mm-hmm. Okay , um finishing the meeting now. Um our next meeting starts in thirty minutes ,


but the volume control could double for that , for example.

Mm-hmm. Okay , um finishing the meeting now. Um our next meeting starts in thirty minutes ,

um you each have things to do , look and feel design , user interface design , product evaluation , and you two are going to work together on a prototype using modelling clay. You'll get specific instructions from your personal coach.


Mm-hmm. Okay , um finishing the meeting now. Um our next meeting starts in thirty minutes ,

um you each have things to do , look and feel design , user interface design , product evaluation , and you two are going to work together on a prototype using modelling clay. You'll get specific instructions from your personal coach.


um you each have things to do , look and feel design , user interface design , product evaluation , and you two are going to work together on a prototype using modelling clay. You'll get specific instructions from your personal coach.


Um did we decide on a chip ? Let's go with a simple chip ?


We are done. Thank you everyone. Oh I di these are already in our shared folder , so.


Test , um. Test , test , test. Guess that 's me. Yeah. OK.


Test , um. Test , test , test. Guess that 's me. Yeah. OK.

So. There 's two sheets of paper in front of us.


So. There 's two sheets of paper in front of us.


Uh. Yeah , we formed a coalition actually.


So it 's  well , it 's  spectral subtraction or Wiener filtering , um , depending on if we put  if we square the transfer function or not.


So it 's  well , it 's  spectral subtraction or Wiener filtering , um , depending on if we put  if we square the transfer function or not.

And then with over - estimation of the noise , depending on the , uh  the SNR , with smoothing along time , um , smoothing along frequency.


And then with over - estimation of the noise , depending on the , uh  the SNR , with smoothing along time , um , smoothing along frequency.


And , um ,  the best result is  when we apply this procedure on FFT bins , uh , with a Wiener filter.


And , um ,  the best result is  when we apply this procedure on FFT bins , uh , with a Wiener filter.

And there is no noise addition after  after that.


And there is no noise addition after  after that.

So it 's good because   it 's difficult when we have to add noise to  to  to find the right level.


So it 's good because   it 's difficult when we have to add noise to  to  to find the right level.

Are you looking at one in  in particular of these two ?


So it 's good because   it 's difficult when we have to add noise to  to  to find the right level.

Are you looking at one in  in particular of these two ?

Yeah. So the sh it 's the sheet that gives fifty - f three point sixty - six.


Are you looking at one in  in particular of these two ?

Yeah. So the sh it 's the sheet that gives fifty - f three point sixty - six.


Are you looking at one in  in particular of these two ?

Yeah. So the sh it 's the sheet that gives fifty - f three point sixty - six.

Um ,  the second sheet is abo uh , about the same. It 's the same , um , idea but it 's working on mel bands ,  and it 's a spectral subtraction instead of Wiener filter , and there is also a noise addition after , uh , cleaning up the mel bins. Mmm. Well , the results are similar.


Yeah. So the sh it 's the sheet that gives fifty - f three point sixty - six.

Um ,  the second sheet is abo uh , about the same. It 's the same , um , idea but it 's working on mel bands ,  and it 's a spectral subtraction instead of Wiener filter , and there is also a noise addition after , uh , cleaning up the mel bins. Mmm. Well , the results are similar.

Yeah. I mean ,  it 's   it 's actually , uh , very similar.


Um ,  the second sheet is abo uh , about the same. It 's the same , um , idea but it 's working on mel bands ,  and it 's a spectral subtraction instead of Wiener filter , and there is also a noise addition after , uh , cleaning up the mel bins. Mmm. Well , the results are similar.

Yeah. I mean ,  it 's   it 's actually , uh , very similar.


Um ,  the second sheet is abo uh , about the same. It 's the same , um , idea but it 's working on mel bands ,  and it 's a spectral subtraction instead of Wiener filter , and there is also a noise addition after , uh , cleaning up the mel bins. Mmm. Well , the results are similar.

Yeah. I mean ,  it 's   it 's actually , uh , very similar.

I mean ,  if you look at databases , uh , the , uh , one that has the smallest  smaller overall number is actually better on the Finnish and Spanish , uh , but it is , uh , worse on the , uh , Aurora


Yeah. I mean ,  it 's   it 's actually , uh , very similar.

I mean ,  if you look at databases , uh , the , uh , one that has the smallest  smaller overall number is actually better on the Finnish and Spanish , uh , but it is , uh , worse on the , uh , Aurora


I mean ,  if you look at databases , uh , the , uh , one that has the smallest  smaller overall number is actually better on the Finnish and Spanish , uh , but it is , uh , worse on the , uh , Aurora


I mean ,  if you look at databases , uh , the , uh , one that has the smallest  smaller overall number is actually better on the Finnish and Spanish , uh , but it is , uh , worse on the , uh , Aurora

on the multi - condition in TI - digits. Yeah.


on the multi - condition in TI - digits. Yeah.


on the multi - condition in TI - digits. Yeah.

So , it probably doesn't matter that much either way. But , um , when you say u uh , unified do you mean , uh , it 's one piece of software now , or  ?


So , it probably doesn't matter that much either way. But , um , when you say u uh , unified do you mean , uh , it 's one piece of software now , or  ?

So now we are , yeah , setting up the software.


So , it probably doesn't matter that much either way. But , um , when you say u uh , unified do you mean , uh , it 's one piece of software now , or  ?

So now we are , yeah , setting up the software.

Um , it should be ready , uh , very soon. Um , and we


So now we are , yeah , setting up the software.

Um , it should be ready , uh , very soon. Um , and we

So what 's  what 's happened ? I think I 've missed something.


Um , it should be ready , uh , very soon. Um , and we

So what 's  what 's happened ? I think I 've missed something.

OK. So a week ago  maybe you weren't around when  when  when Hynek and Guenther and I  ?


So what 's  what 's happened ? I think I 've missed something.

OK. So a week ago  maybe you weren't around when  when  when Hynek and Guenther and I  ?


OK. So a week ago  maybe you weren't around when  when  when Hynek and Guenther and I  ?

Oh , OK. So  Yeah , let 's summarize. Um  And then if I summarize somebody can tell me if I 'm wrong , which will also be possibly helpful. What did I just press here ? I hope this is still working.


Oh , OK. So  Yeah , let 's summarize. Um  And then if I summarize somebody can tell me if I 'm wrong , which will also be possibly helpful. What did I just press here ? I hope this is still working.


Oh , OK. So  Yeah , let 's summarize. Um  And then if I summarize somebody can tell me if I 'm wrong , which will also be possibly helpful. What did I just press here ? I hope this is still working.

We , uh  we looked at ,  uh  anyway we   after coming back from QualComm we had , you know , very strong feedback and , uh , I think it was  Hynek and Guenter 's and my opinion also that , um , you know , we sort of spread out to look at a number of different ways of doing noise suppression. But given the limited time , uh , it was sort of time to  choose one.


We , uh  we looked at ,  uh  anyway we   after coming back from QualComm we had , you know , very strong feedback and , uh , I think it was  Hynek and Guenter 's and my opinion also that , um , you know , we sort of spread out to look at a number of different ways of doing noise suppression. But given the limited time , uh , it was sort of time to  choose one.

Uh , and so , uh , th the vector Taylor series hadn't really worked out that much. Uh , the subspace stuff , uh , had not been worked with so much. Um , so it sort of came down to spectral subtraction versus Wiener filtering.


Uh , and so , uh , th the vector Taylor series hadn't really worked out that much. Uh , the subspace stuff , uh , had not been worked with so much. Um , so it sort of came down to spectral subtraction versus Wiener filtering.

Uh , we had a long discussion about how they were the same and how they were d uh , completely different.


Uh , we had a long discussion about how they were the same and how they were d uh , completely different.

And , uh , I mean , fundamentally they 're the same sort of thing but the math is a little different so that there 's a  a   there 's an exponent difference in the index  you know , what 's the ideal filtering , and depending on how you construct the problem.


And , uh , I mean , fundamentally they 're the same sort of thing but the math is a little different so that there 's a  a   there 's an exponent difference in the index  you know , what 's the ideal filtering , and depending on how you construct the problem.

And , uh , I guess it 's sort  you know , after  after that meeting it sort of made more sense to me because  um , if you 're dealing with power spectra then how are you gonna choose your error ? And typically you 'll do  choose something like a variance. And so that means it 'll be something like the square of the power spectra. Whereas when you 're  when you 're doing the  the , uh , um ,  looking at it the other way , you 're gonna be dealing with signals


And , uh , I guess it 's sort  you know , after  after that meeting it sort of made more sense to me because  um , if you 're dealing with power spectra then how are you gonna choose your error ? And typically you 'll do  choose something like a variance. And so that means it 'll be something like the square of the power spectra. Whereas when you 're  when you 're doing the  the , uh , um ,  looking at it the other way , you 're gonna be dealing with signals

and you 're gonna end up looking at power  uh , noise power that you 're trying to reduce. And so , eh  so there should be a difference  of  you know , conceptually of  of , uh , a factor of two in the exponent.


and you 're gonna end up looking at power  uh , noise power that you 're trying to reduce. And so , eh  so there should be a difference  of  you know , conceptually of  of , uh , a factor of two in the exponent.

But there 're so many different little factors that you adjust in terms of  of , uh ,  uh , over - subtraction and  and  and  and  and so forth , um , that  arguably , you 're c and  and  and the choice of do you  do you operate on the mel bands or do you operate on the FFT beforehand. There 're so many other choices to make that are  are almost  well , if not independent , certainly in addition to  the choice of whether you , uh , do spectral subtraction or Wiener filtering , that , um ,  @ @ again we sort of felt the gang should just sort of figure out which it is they wanna do and then let 's pick it , go forward with it. So that 's  that was  that was last week. And   and , uh , we said , uh , take a week , go arm wrestle , you know ,


But there 're so many different little factors that you adjust in terms of  of , uh ,  uh , over - subtraction and  and  and  and  and so forth , um , that  arguably , you 're c and  and  and the choice of do you  do you operate on the mel bands or do you operate on the FFT beforehand. There 're so many other choices to make that are  are almost  well , if not independent , certainly in addition to  the choice of whether you , uh , do spectral subtraction or Wiener filtering , that , um ,  @ @ again we sort of felt the gang should just sort of figure out which it is they wanna do and then let 's pick it , go forward with it. So that 's  that was  that was last week. And   and , uh , we said , uh , take a week , go arm wrestle , you know ,

figure it out. I mean , and th the joke there was that each of them had specialized in one of them.


figure it out. I mean , and th the joke there was that each of them had specialized in one of them.

And  and so they  so instead they went to Yosemite and bonded , and  and they came out with a single  single piece of software. So it 's  another  another victory for international collaboration. So.


figure it out. I mean , and th the joke there was that each of them had specialized in one of them.

And  and so they  so instead they went to Yosemite and bonded , and  and they came out with a single  single piece of software. So it 's  another  another victory for international collaboration. So.

So  so you guys have combined  or you 're going to be combining the software ?


And  and so they  so instead they went to Yosemite and bonded , and  and they came out with a single  single piece of software. So it 's  another  another victory for international collaboration. So.

So  so you guys have combined  or you 're going to be combining the software ?


And  and so they  so instead they went to Yosemite and bonded , and  and they came out with a single  single piece of software. So it 's  another  another victory for international collaboration. So.

So  so you guys have combined  or you 're going to be combining the software ?

Well , the piece of software has , like , plenty of options ,


So  so you guys have combined  or you 're going to be combining the software ?

Well , the piece of software has , like , plenty of options ,


Well , the piece of software has , like , plenty of options ,

like you can parse command - line arguments. So depending on that , it  it becomes either spectral subtraction or Wiener filtering.


like you can parse command - line arguments. So depending on that , it  it becomes either spectral subtraction or Wiener filtering.


Well , that 's fine , but the thing is  the important thing is that there is a piece of software that you  that we all will be using now.


I need to allow it to do everything and even more  more than this.


I need to allow it to do everything and even more  more than this.

Well , if we want to , like , optimize different parameters of


Well , if we want to , like , optimize different parameters of


Well , if we want to , like , optimize different parameters of

Yeah , we can do it later. But , still  so , there will be a piece of software with ,   uh , will give this system , the fifty - three point sixty - six , by default and


Yeah , we can do it later. But , still  so , there will be a piece of software with ,   uh , will give this system , the fifty - three point sixty - six , by default and


It 's just one percent off of the  best proposal.


It 's just one percent off of the  best proposal.

It 's between  i we are second actually if we take this system.


It 's between  i we are second actually if we take this system.


Compared to the last evaluation numbers ? Yeah.


Compared to the last evaluation numbers ? Yeah.

But , uh  w which we sort of were before


But , uh  w which we sort of were before

but we were considerably far behind. And the thing is , this doesn't have neural net in yet for instance. You know ?


but we were considerably far behind. And the thing is , this doesn't have neural net in yet for instance. You know ?


but we were considerably far behind. And the thing is , this doesn't have neural net in yet for instance. You know ?

So it  so , um , it 's  it it 's not using our full bal bag of tricks , if you will.


So it  so , um , it 's  it it 's not using our full bal bag of tricks , if you will.


So it  so , um , it 's  it it 's not using our full bal bag of tricks , if you will.

And , uh , and it  it is , uh , very close in performance to the best thing that was there before. Uh , but , you know , looking at it another way , maybe more importantly , uh ,  we didn't have any explicit noise , uh , handling  stationary  dealing with  e e we didn't explicitly have anything to deal with stationary noise.


And , uh , and it  it is , uh , very close in performance to the best thing that was there before. Uh , but , you know , looking at it another way , maybe more importantly , uh ,  we didn't have any explicit noise , uh , handling  stationary  dealing with  e e we didn't explicitly have anything to deal with stationary noise.


And , uh , and it  it is , uh , very close in performance to the best thing that was there before. Uh , but , you know , looking at it another way , maybe more importantly , uh ,  we didn't have any explicit noise , uh , handling  stationary  dealing with  e e we didn't explicitly have anything to deal with stationary noise.

So will the  neural net operate on the output from either the Wiener filtering or the spectral subtraction ? Or will it operate on the original ?


So will the  neural net operate on the output from either the Wiener filtering or the spectral subtraction ? Or will it operate on the original ?

Well , so  so  so argu arguably , I mean , what we should do  I mean , I gather you have  it sounds like you have a few more days of  of nailing things down with the software and so on. But  and then  but , um ,  arguably what we should do is , even though the software can do many things , we should for now pick a set of things , th these things I would guess , and not change that.


So will the  neural net operate on the output from either the Wiener filtering or the spectral subtraction ? Or will it operate on the original ?

Well , so  so  so argu arguably , I mean , what we should do  I mean , I gather you have  it sounds like you have a few more days of  of nailing things down with the software and so on. But  and then  but , um ,  arguably what we should do is , even though the software can do many things , we should for now pick a set of things , th these things I would guess , and not change that.

And then focus on  everything that 's left. And I think , you know , that our goal should be by next week , when Hynek comes back ,  uh , to  uh , really just to have a firm path , uh , for the  you know , for the time he 's gone , of  of , uh , what things will be attacked. But I would  I would  I would thought think that what we would wanna do is not futz with this stuff for a while because what 'll happen is we 'll change many other things in the system ,