Yeah. I mean   i i e The um  I think it 's true that the OGI folk found that using LDA  RASTA , which is a kind of LogRASTA , it 's just that they have the  I mean it 's done in the log domain , as I recall , and it 's  it uh  it 's just that they d it 's trained up , right ? That that um benefitted from on - line normalization. So they did  At least in their case , it did seem to be somewhat complimentary. So will it be in our case , where we 're using the neural net ? I mean they  they were not  not using the neural net. Uh I don't know. OK , so the other things you have here are uh , trying to improve results from a single  Yeah. Make stuff better. OK. Uh.  Yeah. And CPU memory issues. Yeah. We 've been sort of ignoring that , haven't we ?


Yeah. I mean   i i e The um  I think it 's true that the OGI folk found that using LDA  RASTA , which is a kind of LogRASTA , it 's just that they have the  I mean it 's done in the log domain , as I recall , and it 's  it uh  it 's just that they d it 's trained up , right ? That that um benefitted from on - line normalization. So they did  At least in their case , it did seem to be somewhat complimentary. So will it be in our case , where we 're using the neural net ? I mean they  they were not  not using the neural net. Uh I don't know. OK , so the other things you have here are uh , trying to improve results from a single  Yeah. Make stuff better. OK. Uh.  Yeah. And CPU memory issues. Yeah. We 've been sort of ignoring that , haven't we ?

But we have to address the problem of CPU and memory we


But we have to address the problem of CPU and memory we

Yeah , but I li Well , I think  My impression  You  you folks have been looking at this more than me. But my impression was that  uh , there was a  a  a  a strict constraint on the delay ,


But we have to address the problem of CPU and memory we

Yeah , but I li Well , I think  My impression  You  you folks have been looking at this more than me. But my impression was that  uh , there was a  a  a  a strict constraint on the delay ,

but beyond that it was kind of that uh using less memory was better , and  using less CPU was better. Something like that ,


Yeah , but I li Well , I think  My impression  You  you folks have been looking at this more than me. But my impression was that  uh , there was a  a  a  a strict constraint on the delay ,

but beyond that it was kind of that uh using less memory was better , and  using less CPU was better. Something like that ,


but beyond that it was kind of that uh using less memory was better , and  using less CPU was better. Something like that ,


but beyond that it was kind of that uh using less memory was better , and  using less CPU was better. Something like that ,

Yeah. So , yeah , but we 've  I don't know. We have to get some reference point to where we  Well , what 's a reasonable number ? Perhaps be because if it 's  if it 's too large or  large or @ @


Yeah. So , yeah , but we 've  I don't know. We have to get some reference point to where we  Well , what 's a reasonable number ? Perhaps be because if it 's  if it 's too large or  large or @ @

Um , well I don't think we 're  um  completely off the wall. I mean I think that if we  if we have  Uh , I mean the ultimate fall back that we could do  If we find uh  I mean we may find that we  we 're not really gonna worry about the M L You know , if the MLP ultimately , after all is said and done , doesn't really help then we won't have it in.


Yeah. So , yeah , but we 've  I don't know. We have to get some reference point to where we  Well , what 's a reasonable number ? Perhaps be because if it 's  if it 's too large or  large or @ @

Um , well I don't think we 're  um  completely off the wall. I mean I think that if we  if we have  Uh , I mean the ultimate fall back that we could do  If we find uh  I mean we may find that we  we 're not really gonna worry about the M L You know , if the MLP ultimately , after all is said and done , doesn't really help then we won't have it in.

If the MLP does , we find , help us enough in some conditions , uh , we might even have more than one MLP. We could simply say that is uh , done on the uh , server.


Um , well I don't think we 're  um  completely off the wall. I mean I think that if we  if we have  Uh , I mean the ultimate fall back that we could do  If we find uh  I mean we may find that we  we 're not really gonna worry about the M L You know , if the MLP ultimately , after all is said and done , doesn't really help then we won't have it in.

If the MLP does , we find , help us enough in some conditions , uh , we might even have more than one MLP. We could simply say that is uh , done on the uh , server.


If the MLP does , we find , help us enough in some conditions , uh , we might even have more than one MLP. We could simply say that is uh , done on the uh , server.

And it 's uh  We do the other manipulations that we 're doing before that. So , I  I  I think  I think that 's   that 's OK.


And it 's uh  We do the other manipulations that we 're doing before that. So , I  I  I think  I think that 's   that 's OK.

So I think the key thing was um , this plug into OGI. Um , what  what are they  What are they gonna be working  Do we know what they 're gonna be working on while we take their features ,


And it 's uh  We do the other manipulations that we 're doing before that. So , I  I  I think  I think that 's   that 's OK.

So I think the key thing was um , this plug into OGI. Um , what  what are they  What are they gonna be working  Do we know what they 're gonna be working on while we take their features ,

They 're  They 're starting to wor work on some kind of multi - band.


So I think the key thing was um , this plug into OGI. Um , what  what are they  What are they gonna be working  Do we know what they 're gonna be working on while we take their features ,

They 're  They 're starting to wor work on some kind of multi - band.


So I think the key thing was um , this plug into OGI. Um , what  what are they  What are they gonna be working  Do we know what they 're gonna be working on while we take their features ,

They 're  They 're starting to wor work on some kind of multi - band.

So. Um  This  that was Pratibha. Sunil , what was he doing , do you remember ?


They 're  They 're starting to wor work on some kind of multi - band.

So. Um  This  that was Pratibha. Sunil , what was he doing , do you remember ?


So. Um  This  that was Pratibha. Sunil , what was he doing , do you remember ?


So. Um  This  that was Pratibha. Sunil , what was he doing , do you remember ?

I  I don't re I didn't remember. Maybe he 's working with  neural network.


I  I don't re I didn't remember. Maybe he 's working with  neural network.

I don't think so. Trying to tune wha networks ?


I  I don't re I didn't remember. Maybe he 's working with  neural network.

I don't think so. Trying to tune wha networks ?

I think they were also mainly , well , working a little bit of new things , like networks and multi - band , but mainly trying to tune their  their system as it is now to  just trying to get the best from this  this architecture.


I don't think so. Trying to tune wha networks ?

I think they were also mainly , well , working a little bit of new things , like networks and multi - band , but mainly trying to tune their  their system as it is now to  just trying to get the best from this  this architecture.


I think they were also mainly , well , working a little bit of new things , like networks and multi - band , but mainly trying to tune their  their system as it is now to  just trying to get the best from this  this architecture.

OK. So I guess the way it would work is that you 'd get  There 'd be some point where you say , " OK , this is their version - one " or whatever , and we get these VAD labels and features and so forth for all these test sets from them ,


OK. So I guess the way it would work is that you 'd get  There 'd be some point where you say , " OK , this is their version - one " or whatever , and we get these VAD labels and features and so forth for all these test sets from them ,

and then um , uh , that 's what we work with. We have a certain level we try to improve it with this other path and then um , uh , when it gets to be uh , January some point uh , we say , " OK we  we have shown that we can improve this , in this way. So now uh  um  what 's your newest version ? " And then maybe they 'll have something that 's better and then we  we 'd combine it. This is always hard. I mean I  I  I used to work  with uh folks who were trying to improve a good uh , HMM system with uh  with a neural net system and uh , it was  a common problem that you 'd  Oh , and this  Actually , this is true not just for neural nets but just for  in general if people were  working with uh , rescoring uh , N - best lists or lattices that come  came from uh , a mainstream recognizer. Uh , You get something from the  the other site at one point and you work really hard on making it better with rescoring. But they 're working really hard , too. So by the time  you have uh , improved their score , they have also improved their score


and then um , uh , that 's what we work with. We have a certain level we try to improve it with this other path and then um , uh , when it gets to be uh , January some point uh , we say , " OK we  we have shown that we can improve this , in this way. So now uh  um  what 's your newest version ? " And then maybe they 'll have something that 's better and then we  we 'd combine it. This is always hard. I mean I  I  I used to work  with uh folks who were trying to improve a good uh , HMM system with uh  with a neural net system and uh , it was  a common problem that you 'd  Oh , and this  Actually , this is true not just for neural nets but just for  in general if people were  working with uh , rescoring uh , N - best lists or lattices that come  came from uh , a mainstream recognizer. Uh , You get something from the  the other site at one point and you work really hard on making it better with rescoring. But they 're working really hard , too. So by the time  you have uh , improved their score , they have also improved their score


So , um , I guess at some point we 'll have to


So , um , I guess at some point we 'll have to

uh   Uh , I  I don't know. I think we 're  we 're integrated a little more tightly than happens in a lot of those cases. I think at the moment they  they say that they have a better thing we can  we  e e


uh   Uh , I  I don't know. I think we 're  we 're integrated a little more tightly than happens in a lot of those cases. I think at the moment they  they say that they have a better thing we can  we  e e

What takes all the time here is that th we 're trying so many things , presumably uh , in a  in a day we could turn around uh , taking a new set of things from them and  and rescoring it ,


What takes all the time here is that th we 're trying so many things , presumably uh , in a  in a day we could turn around uh , taking a new set of things from them and  and rescoring it ,

right ? So. Yeah. Well , OK. No , this is  I think this is good. I think that the most wide open thing is the issues about the uh , you know , different trainings. You know , da training targets and noises and so forth.


What takes all the time here is that th we 're trying so many things , presumably uh , in a  in a day we could turn around uh , taking a new set of things from them and  and rescoring it ,

right ? So. Yeah. Well , OK. No , this is  I think this is good. I think that the most wide open thing is the issues about the uh , you know , different trainings. You know , da training targets and noises and so forth.

Mmm. So we  we can for  we c we can forget combining multiple features and MLG perhaps ,


right ? So. Yeah. Well , OK. No , this is  I think this is good. I think that the most wide open thing is the issues about the uh , you know , different trainings. You know , da training targets and noises and so forth.

Mmm. So we  we can for  we c we can forget combining multiple features and MLG perhaps ,


right ? So. Yeah. Well , OK. No , this is  I think this is good. I think that the most wide open thing is the issues about the uh , you know , different trainings. You know , da training targets and noises and so forth.

Mmm. So we  we can for  we c we can forget combining multiple features and MLG perhaps ,

or focus more on the targets and on the training data and  ?


Mmm. So we  we can for  we c we can forget combining multiple features and MLG perhaps ,

or focus more on the targets and on the training data and  ?

Yeah , I think for right now um , I th I  I really liked MSG. And I think that , you know , one of the things I liked about it is has such different temporal properties. And um , I think that there is ultimately a really good uh , potential for , you know , bringing in things with different temporal properties. Um , but um , uh , we only have limited time and there 's a lot of other things we have to look at.


or focus more on the targets and on the training data and  ?

Yeah , I think for right now um , I th I  I really liked MSG. And I think that , you know , one of the things I liked about it is has such different temporal properties. And um , I think that there is ultimately a really good uh , potential for , you know , bringing in things with different temporal properties. Um , but um , uh , we only have limited time and there 's a lot of other things we have to look at.


or focus more on the targets and on the training data and  ?

Yeah , I think for right now um , I th I  I really liked MSG. And I think that , you know , one of the things I liked about it is has such different temporal properties. And um , I think that there is ultimately a really good uh , potential for , you know , bringing in things with different temporal properties. Um , but um , uh , we only have limited time and there 's a lot of other things we have to look at.

And it seems like much more core questions are issues about the training set and the training targets , and fitting in uh what we 're doing with what they 're doing , and , you know , with limited time. Yeah. I think  we have to start cutting down.


Yeah , I think for right now um , I th I  I really liked MSG. And I think that , you know , one of the things I liked about it is has such different temporal properties. And um , I think that there is ultimately a really good uh , potential for , you know , bringing in things with different temporal properties. Um , but um , uh , we only have limited time and there 's a lot of other things we have to look at.

And it seems like much more core questions are issues about the training set and the training targets , and fitting in uh what we 're doing with what they 're doing , and , you know , with limited time. Yeah. I think  we have to start cutting down.


And it seems like much more core questions are issues about the training set and the training targets , and fitting in uh what we 're doing with what they 're doing , and , you know , with limited time. Yeah. I think  we have to start cutting down.

So uh  I think so , yeah. And then , you know , once we  Um , having gone through this  process and trying many different things , I would imagine that certain things uh , come up that you are curious about uh , that you 'd not getting to and so when the dust settles from the evaluation uh , I think that would time to go back and take whatever intrigued you most , you know , got you most interested uh and uh  and  and work with it , you know , for the next round. Uh , as you can tell from these numbers uh , nothing that any of us is gonna do is actually gonna completely solve the problem.


So uh  I think so , yeah. And then , you know , once we  Um , having gone through this  process and trying many different things , I would imagine that certain things uh , come up that you are curious about uh , that you 'd not getting to and so when the dust settles from the evaluation uh , I think that would time to go back and take whatever intrigued you most , you know , got you most interested uh and uh  and  and work with it , you know , for the next round. Uh , as you can tell from these numbers uh , nothing that any of us is gonna do is actually gonna completely solve the problem.

So. So ,  there 'll still be plenty to do. Barry , you 've been pretty quiet.


So. So ,  there 'll still be plenty to do. Barry , you 've been pretty quiet.

Well I figured that , but   That  what  what  what were you involved in in this primarily ?


So. So ,  there 'll still be plenty to do. Barry , you 've been pretty quiet.

Well I figured that , but   That  what  what  what were you involved in in this primarily ?

Um ,  helping out  uh , preparing  Well , they 've been kind of running all the experiments and stuff and I 've been uh , uh w doing some work on the  on the  preparing all  all the data for them to  to um , train and to test on. Um Yeah. Right now , I 'm  I 'm focusing mainly on this final project I 'm working on in Jordan 's class.


Well I figured that , but   That  what  what  what were you involved in in this primarily ?

Um ,  helping out  uh , preparing  Well , they 've been kind of running all the experiments and stuff and I 've been uh , uh w doing some work on the  on the  preparing all  all the data for them to  to um , train and to test on. Um Yeah. Right now , I 'm  I 'm focusing mainly on this final project I 'm working on in Jordan 's class.


Um ,  helping out  uh , preparing  Well , they 've been kind of running all the experiments and stuff and I 've been uh , uh w doing some work on the  on the  preparing all  all the data for them to  to um , train and to test on. Um Yeah. Right now , I 'm  I 'm focusing mainly on this final project I 'm working on in Jordan 's class.


Um ,  I 'm trying to um  So there was a paper in ICSLP about um this  this multi - band um , belief - net structure.  This guy did


Um ,  I 'm trying to um  So there was a paper in ICSLP about um this  this multi - band um , belief - net structure.  This guy did

uh basically it was two H M Ms with  with a  with a dependency arrow between the two H M


uh basically it was two H M Ms with  with a  with a dependency arrow between the two H M

And so I wanna try  try coupling them instead of t having an arrow that  that flows from one sub - band to another sub - band. I wanna try having the arrows go both ways. And um ,  I 'm just gonna see if  if that  that better models  um , uh asynchrony in any way or um   Yeah.


uh basically it was two H M Ms with  with a  with a dependency arrow between the two H M

And so I wanna try  try coupling them instead of t having an arrow that  that flows from one sub - band to another sub - band. I wanna try having the arrows go both ways. And um ,  I 'm just gonna see if  if that  that better models  um , uh asynchrony in any way or um   Yeah.

Oh ! OK. Well , that sounds interesting.


And so I wanna try  try coupling them instead of t having an arrow that  that flows from one sub - band to another sub - band. I wanna try having the arrows go both ways. And um ,  I 'm just gonna see if  if that  that better models  um , uh asynchrony in any way or um   Yeah.

Oh ! OK. Well , that sounds interesting.


And so I wanna try  try coupling them instead of t having an arrow that  that flows from one sub - band to another sub - band. I wanna try having the arrows go both ways. And um ,  I 'm just gonna see if  if that  that better models  um , uh asynchrony in any way or um   Yeah.

Oh ! OK. Well , that sounds interesting.

OK. Alright. Anything to   you wanted to  No. OK. Silent partner in the   in the meeting. Oh , we got a laugh out of him , that 's good. OK , everyone h must contribute to the  our  our sound   sound files here. OK , so speaking of which , if we don't have anything else that we need  You happy with where we are ?


Oh ! OK. Well , that sounds interesting.

OK. Alright. Anything to   you wanted to  No. OK. Silent partner in the   in the meeting. Oh , we got a laugh out of him , that 's good. OK , everyone h must contribute to the  our  our sound   sound files here. OK , so speaking of which , if we don't have anything else that we need  You happy with where we are ?


OK. Alright. Anything to   you wanted to  No. OK. Silent partner in the   in the meeting. Oh , we got a laugh out of him , that 's good. OK , everyone h must contribute to the  our  our sound   sound files here. OK , so speaking of which , if we don't have anything else that we need  You happy with where we are ?

Know  know wher know where we 're going ? Uh


Know  know wher know where we 're going ? Uh


Know  know wher know where we 're going ? Uh

You 're happy. OK everyone  should be happy. OK. You don't have to be happy. You 're almost done. Yeah , yeah. OK.


You 're happy. OK everyone  should be happy. OK. You don't have to be happy. You 're almost done. Yeah , yeah. OK.

Al - actually I should mention  So if   um , about the Linux machine " Swede. "


You 're happy. OK everyone  should be happy. OK. You don't have to be happy. You 're almost done. Yeah , yeah. OK.

Al - actually I should mention  So if   um , about the Linux machine " Swede. "

So it looks like the um , neural net tools are installed there.


Al - actually I should mention  So if   um , about the Linux machine " Swede. "

So it looks like the um , neural net tools are installed there.


So it looks like the um , neural net tools are installed there.

And um Dan Ellis  I believe knows something about using that machine so


And um Dan Ellis  I believe knows something about using that machine so

If people are interested in  in getting jobs running on that maybe I could help with that.


And um Dan Ellis  I believe knows something about using that machine so

If people are interested in  in getting jobs running on that maybe I could help with that.

Yeah , but I don't know if we really need now a lot of machines. Well. we could start computing another huge table but  yeah , we


If people are interested in  in getting jobs running on that maybe I could help with that.

Yeah , but I don't know if we really need now a lot of machines. Well. we could start computing another huge table but  yeah , we

Well. Yeah , I think we want a different table , at least


Yeah , but I don't know if we really need now a lot of machines. Well. we could start computing another huge table but  yeah , we

Well. Yeah , I think we want a different table , at least

Right ? I mean there 's  there 's some different things that we 're trying to get at now.


Well. Yeah , I think we want a different table , at least

Right ? I mean there 's  there 's some different things that we 're trying to get at now.


Right ? I mean there 's  there 's some different things that we 're trying to get at now.


So. Yeah , as far as you can tell , you 're actually OK on C - on CPU uh , for training and so on ? Yeah.


So. Yeah , as far as you can tell , you 're actually OK on C - on CPU uh , for training and so on ? Yeah.

Ah yeah. I think so. Well , more is always better , but mmm , I don't think we have to train a lot of networks , now that we know  We just select what works  fine


Ah yeah. I think so. Well , more is always better , but mmm , I don't think we have to train a lot of networks , now that we know  We just select what works  fine


And we 're OK on  And we 're OK on disk ?


And we 're OK on  And we 're OK on disk ?

and  It 's OK , yeah. Well sometimes we have some problems.


and  It 's OK , yeah. Well sometimes we have some problems.


Yes. Yeah , I 'm familiar with  that one , OK. Alright , so uh ,   since uh , we didn't ha get a channel on for you ,  you don't have to read any digits but the rest of us will. Uh , is it on ? Well. We didn't uh  I think I won't touch anything cuz I 'm afraid of making the driver crash which it seems to do ,  pretty easily. OK , thanks. OK , so we 'll uh  I 'll start off the uh um connect the


Yes. Yeah , I 'm familiar with  that one , OK. Alright , so uh ,   since uh , we didn't ha get a channel on for you ,  you don't have to read any digits but the rest of us will. Uh , is it on ? Well. We didn't uh  I think I won't touch anything cuz I 'm afraid of making the driver crash which it seems to do ,  pretty easily. OK , thanks. OK , so we 'll uh  I 'll start off the uh um connect the

Well , let 's hope it works. Maybe you should go first and see so that you 're  OK.


Well , let 's hope it works. Maybe you should go first and see so that you 're  OK.


Oh , OK. Yeah. Why don't you go next then. OK. Guess we 're done. OK , uh so. Just finished digits. Yeah , so. Uh Well , it 's good. I think  I guess we can turn off our microphones now.


So welcome. The first kick-off meeting. What shall we do ? First the opening , then the rest. What are we going to do. We m have to make a new remote control.

It has to be original , trendy and user-friendly. So we will get back th on that. First we have to make a functional design. After that we have to make a conceptual design , and then after that a detailed design. So we'll discuss that later. First we have a look at . So first to  we have to make a small painting. What have  do we have to do. First you can save the documents. We have to do that every time we make something. You can print it. No. And we have to use  the pen and the eraser. So  Now. We all have to use this one.

You have to make your own favourite animal.


It has to be original , trendy and user-friendly. So we will get back th on that. First we have to make a functional design. After that we have to make a conceptual design , and then after that a detailed design. So we'll discuss that later. First we have a look at . So first to  we have to make a small painting. What have  do we have to do. First you can save the documents. We have to do that every time we make something. You can print it. No. And we have to use  the pen and the eraser. So  Now. We all have to use this one.

You have to make your own favourite animal.


You have to make your own favourite animal.


You can use the pen. And then you can make  um something.


You can use the pen. And then you can make  um something.

Um format , line , and change it.     And you can change the colour.


Um format , line , and change it.     And you can change the colour.


Um format , line , and change it.     And you can change the colour.

So  So and after it you have to save it.


So  So and after it you have to save it.


I'm not getting anything uh on my screen now. Okay.


Okay. Very good. So um you can always go back.  So


Okay. Very good. So um you can always go back.  So

That's it. So that was two. Now next. The budget. The b Uh we will sell the t at twenty five Euros. And we have only twenty of twelve and a half Euro to make it. So  now we have to think about what we will make. First I wanna hear from you. Uh what are your experiences with remote controls. So


That's it. So that was two. Now next. The budget. The b Uh we will sell the t at twenty five Euros. And we have only twenty of twelve and a half Euro to make it. So  now we have to think about what we will make. First I wanna hear from you. Uh what are your experiences with remote controls. So


Big one , they are uh not easy to use. Um I have one set and uh a remote control , when I dropped it , uh it broke. So that won't be uh our goal , I think.


Big one , they are uh not easy to use. Um I have one set and uh a remote control , when I dropped it , uh it broke. So that won't be uh our goal , I think.

And uh g big buttons ,  m uh that's easier to use than uh  I think. Not all the small buttons , you don't know


Big one , they are uh not easy to use. Um I have one set and uh a remote control , when I dropped it , uh it broke. So that won't be uh our goal , I think.

And uh g big buttons ,  m uh that's easier to use than uh  I think. Not all the small buttons , you don't know

Is this positive or negative , that uh big buttons ?


And uh g big buttons ,  m uh that's easier to use than uh  I think. Not all the small buttons , you don't know

Is this positive or negative , that uh big buttons ?


Is this positive or negative , that uh big buttons ?

All all small buttons like when you have uh like a hundred buttons on your remote control , you won't know what they're working for.


All all small buttons like when you have uh like a hundred buttons on your remote control , you won't know what they're working for.


All all small buttons like when you have uh like a hundred buttons on your remote control , you won't know what they're working for.

Uh well I think the the the goal of a remote control is that it's it it has an influence on the T_V_ set.


Uh well I think the the the goal of a remote control is that it's it it has an influence on the T_V_ set.

And that it controls the channels and the the volume. And uh I I I think it's positive if there's a a LED uh uh a LED on the corner of the of the remote. So that you know it s it still has batteries on it  in it. And that if you push the button the LED uh gives a light , and uh and you see that it's working. And uh yeah. Uh


And that it controls the channels and the the volume. And uh I I I think it's positive if there's a a LED uh uh a LED on the corner of the of the remote. So that you know it s it still has batteries on it  in it. And that if you push the button the LED uh gives a light , and uh and you see that it's working. And uh yeah. Uh

Yeah , but  No no no. But I  my my experience is that it it it's convenient to have that.


Yeah , but  No no no. But I  my my experience is that it it it's convenient to have that.


Uh at home we have a T_V_ , a video uh recorder , a D_V_D_ player , and a satellite receiver. We have uh four distinctive remote controls for that.


So it would be nice if we have one for all. And we also had a remote control for our radio set. But um i it it had a lot of buttons on it , and you didn't know which one was what. And it was uh uh v  not easy to use. So we n barely used it.


So it would be nice if we have one for all. And we also had a remote control for our radio set. But um i it it had a lot of buttons on it , and you didn't know which one was what. And it was uh uh v  not easy to use. So we n barely used it.

For our own remote control we have to think how do we make it. So what ideas do you have for it , for the new remote control ? What what does it have to have ?


For our own remote control we have to think how do we make it. So what ideas do you have for it , for the new remote control ? What what does it have to have ?


Bust-free. That when you drop it , it won't break. Like uh some kind of rubber on it. Or hard uh hard plastic. Uh buttons not too small. Uh something like when you uh lose your uh remote control , sometimes it happen. Uh it between the couch and you can't find it.


Bust-free. That when you drop it , it won't break. Like uh some kind of rubber on it. Or hard uh hard plastic. Uh buttons not too small. Uh something like when you uh lose your uh remote control , sometimes it happen. Uh it between the couch and you can't find it.

When you push a but a button on the T_V_ , then you hear some   uh some sort of bleep.


When you push a but a button on the T_V_ , then you hear some   uh some sort of bleep.

And then you uh , hey there there's remote control.


And then you uh , hey there there's remote control.


Yeah well that's  that are good ideas. Uh  Yeah well the LED on the corner , that that indicates that it's working. If you push a button. Um  Yeah. And looking on the budget , not too expensive uh material. So probably plastic or something. Uh


Yeah well that's  that are good ideas. Uh  Yeah well the LED on the corner , that that indicates that it's working. If you push a button. Um  Yeah. And looking on the budget , not too expensive uh material. So probably plastic or something. Uh

Yeah I think it uh  from a marketing point of view , it also has to look nice. Or you won't sell it.


Yeah I think it uh  from a marketing point of view , it also has to look nice. Or you won't sell it.

And um yeah uh on our website we can see what products we already have. And it should work with as many uh as possible of them.


Yeah I think it uh  from a marketing point of view , it also has to look nice. Or you won't sell it.

And um yeah uh on our website we can see what products we already have. And it should work with as many uh as possible of them.

Okay. This is  It has to be compatible with other things.


And um yeah uh on our website we can see what products we already have. And it should work with as many uh as possible of them.

Okay. This is  It has to be compatible with other things.


Okay. This is  It has to be compatible with other things.


Uh it it won't take a lot of batteries. So you don't  won't have to change the batteries uh once a week or uh once every two weeks.


Uh it it won't take a lot of batteries. So you don't  won't have to change the batteries uh once a week or uh once every two weeks.

No okay. It's only the first ideas. So  uh what are we going to do now is  Next meeting is in half an h hour. Uh   Okay. Next meeting , half an hour. Um , what you have to do. Well look on your . And  Next instructions you'll get in your email. So  This is the first meeting. See you later in half an hour.


No okay. It's only the first ideas. So  uh what are we going to do now is  Next meeting is in half an h hour. Uh   Okay. Next meeting , half an hour. Um , what you have to do. Well look on your . And  Next instructions you'll get in your email. So  This is the first meeting. See you later in half an hour.


So we are here to talk about functional design. Now hopefully we've all got a better idea from   than we did f leaving the last meeting as to what it is we are up to now. So here's an agenda. Uh I'll open. Um you should know that I'll be taking minutes during all the meetings , as I was struggling to our last time uh and that'll be easier for me now because I'm not actually giving the whole presentation. Uh the additional points are just the stuff that we sent and that I forwarded on from upper management having a few bright ideas to make our lives painful.

Um  now  you can all give your presentations. We can talk about the requirements and hopefully come to some decisions.  Right , forty minutes for this meeting , so a bit more time than the last one. Here's the additional points I just wanted to put those in there to see if you guys had any comments on them. Uh did you all receive that email ?


Um  now  you can all give your presentations. We can talk about the requirements and hopefully come to some decisions.  Right , forty minutes for this meeting , so a bit more time than the last one. Here's the additional points I just wanted to put those in there to see if you guys had any comments on them. Uh did you all receive that email ?


Well  uh what comes up for me is that if we're gonna if we're gonna be marketing a product that is going to be uh having  no teletext , people are very comfortable  with  the idea of having teletext and using teletext , and so we're not  we're gonna be a new product without something that people are very comfortable having right now.


Well  uh what comes up for me is that if we're gonna if we're gonna be marketing a product that is going to be uh having  no teletext , people are very comfortable  with  the idea of having teletext and using teletext , and so we're not  we're gonna be a new product without something that people are very comfortable having right now.

So that's , from a marketing perspective I I see I see a lack.


So that's , from a marketing perspective I I see I see a lack.

And so we have to go , I think , in the other direction. What are we gonna have that makes this thing better than


So that's , from a marketing perspective I I see I see a lack.

And so we have to go , I think , in the other direction. What are we gonna have that makes this thing better than

Well tha that first point could uh also be an op opportunity because in seeing that teletext is becoming outdated , some sort remote control that can work with the Internet   there is the opportunity that's presented , I guess.


And so we have to go , I think , in the other direction. What are we gonna have that makes this thing better than

Well tha that first point could uh also be an op opportunity because in seeing that teletext is becoming outdated , some sort remote control that can work with the Internet   there is the opportunity that's presented , I guess.


Well tha that first point could uh also be an op opportunity because in seeing that teletext is becoming outdated , some sort remote control that can work with the Internet   there is the opportunity that's presented , I guess.

So what I'm talking about is I see that one side we're eliminating something so we have to come up with another side which is , what are we gonna be targeting our market uh that  identifies our product as better than  because it doesn't have teletext it has ta-ta-ta-ta-ta.


So what I'm talking about is I see that one side we're eliminating something so we have to come up with another side which is , what are we gonna be targeting our market uh that  identifies our product as better than  because it doesn't have teletext it has ta-ta-ta-ta-ta.


So what I'm talking about is I see that one side we're eliminating something so we have to come up with another side which is , what are we gonna be targeting our market uh that  identifies our product as better than  because it doesn't have teletext it has ta-ta-ta-ta-ta.

Yeah. but but we are sort of being dictated that this should only be for the television.


Yeah. but but we are sort of being dictated that this should only be for the television.


Yeah. but but we are sort of being dictated that this should only be for the television.

So we're quite fixed. So we're really probably , in terms of marketing , are looking for that's uh that's a cost winner rather than a fantastic new feature product.


So we're quite fixed. So we're really probably , in terms of marketing , are looking for that's uh that's a cost winner rather than a fantastic new feature product.

Yeah bu but we we're designing only the remote ,


Yeah bu but we we're designing only the remote ,


So uh we're gonna be removing the teletext out of any T_V_ that we  people use our remote with.


But there's also the potential for mark there's a market here for our lost teletext.


But there's also the potential for mark there's a market here for our lost teletext.

For example someone that just goes to the shop that wants a replacement  wants it as  cheap as possible. Twenty-five Euros is the selling price , we really have to innovate here I guess.


But there's also the potential for mark there's a market here for our lost teletext.

For example someone that just goes to the shop that wants a replacement  wants it as  cheap as possible. Twenty-five Euros is the selling price , we really have to innovate here I guess.

That's what I'm that's what I'm talking about is is that we have to find something that is gonna be very attractive about this product 'cause somebody , some people are gonna be hap unhappy 'cause it took  they can't ac access their teletext.


For example someone that just goes to the shop that wants a replacement  wants it as  cheap as possible. Twenty-five Euros is the selling price , we really have to innovate here I guess.

That's what I'm that's what I'm talking about is is that we have to find something that is gonna be very attractive about this product 'cause somebody , some people are gonna be hap unhappy 'cause it took  they can't ac access their teletext.


For example someone that just goes to the shop that wants a replacement  wants it as  cheap as possible. Twenty-five Euros is the selling price , we really have to innovate here I guess.

That's what I'm that's what I'm talking about is is that we have to find something that is gonna be very attractive about this product 'cause somebody , some people are gonna be hap unhappy 'cause it took  they can't ac access their teletext.

Okay. 'Cause we're talking about  eighty percent or ninety percent or ninety-five percent of the televisions out there are are teletext.


That's what I'm that's what I'm talking about is is that we have to find something that is gonna be very attractive about this product 'cause somebody , some people are gonna be hap unhappy 'cause it took  they can't ac access their teletext.

Okay. 'Cause we're talking about  eighty percent or ninety percent or ninety-five percent of the televisions out there are are teletext.


Okay. 'Cause we're talking about  eighty percent or ninety percent or ninety-five percent of the televisions out there are are teletext.

So so it's it's not that I'm criticizing the product at all. It's just when we eliminate that then what do we bring ? What are we bringing in to take the place of this ,


So so it's it's not that I'm criticizing the product at all. It's just when we eliminate that then what do we bring ? What are we bringing in to take the place of this ,

and we have to d  in my opinion we have to double up.


So so it's it's not that I'm criticizing the product at all. It's just when we eliminate that then what do we bring ? What are we bringing in to take the place of this ,

and we have to d  in my opinion we have to double up.

If we lose one we need to bring two or three.


and we have to d  in my opinion we have to double up.

If we lose one we need to bring two or three.

Okay. Okay I think that the  last point is probably quite uh straightforward. Obviously the the  w it has to be branded. 'Kay.


If we lose one we need to bring two or three.

Okay. Okay I think that the  last point is probably quite uh straightforward. Obviously the the  w it has to be branded. 'Kay.

On the product yeah. Can you handle that black and yellow ?


Okay. Okay I think that the  last point is probably quite uh straightforward. Obviously the the  w it has to be branded. 'Kay.

On the product yeah. Can you handle that black and yellow ?


On the product yeah. Can you handle that black and yellow ?

I tho I tho I thou I think Rol Ro Rolls-Royce might mind , but don't worry.


On the product yeah. Can you handle that black and yellow ?

I tho I tho I thou I think Rol Ro Rolls-Royce might mind , but don't worry.

I think w , yeah , one of the things that we should also keep in mind um when we're doing this  I mean our company's slogan is we put the fashion in electronics , right. So I think our kind of  our target here is to  have some kind of very like sleek  nice look remote and we want it to be functional as well , but I think one of the main selling points is that we don't want it to be clunky like like this thing here.


I tho I tho I thou I think Rol Ro Rolls-Royce might mind , but don't worry.

I think w , yeah , one of the things that we should also keep in mind um when we're doing this  I mean our company's slogan is we put the fashion in electronics , right. So I think our kind of  our target here is to  have some kind of very like sleek  nice look remote and we want it to be functional as well , but I think one of the main selling points is that we don't want it to be clunky like like this thing here.


I tho I tho I thou I think Rol Ro Rolls-Royce might mind , but don't worry.

I think w , yeah , one of the things that we should also keep in mind um when we're doing this  I mean our company's slogan is we put the fashion in electronics , right. So I think our kind of  our target here is to  have some kind of very like sleek  nice look remote and we want it to be functional as well , but I think one of the main selling points is that we don't want it to be clunky like like this thing here.

You know we don't wanna a big clunker. We want something that looks nice and it's fashionable and so


I think w , yeah , one of the things that we should also keep in mind um when we're doing this  I mean our company's slogan is we put the fashion in electronics , right. So I think our kind of  our target here is to  have some kind of very like sleek  nice look remote and we want it to be functional as well , but I think one of the main selling points is that we don't want it to be clunky like like this thing here.

You know we don't wanna a big clunker. We want something that looks nice and it's fashionable and so


You know we don't wanna a big clunker. We want something that looks nice and it's fashionable and so

Nah. So we have three presentations , and I think we'll go in order of participant number here. So we can have a look at the working design first from participant two. That's   Okay.


Nah. So we have three presentations , and I think we'll go in order of participant number here. So we can have a look at the working design first from participant two. That's   Okay.


Nah. So we have three presentations , and I think we'll go in order of participant number here. So we can have a look at the working design first from participant two. That's   Okay.

Mm it's enough. But uh click it on off ?


Mm it's enough. But uh click it on off ?

so you all know me , I'm the Industrial Designer. And we've some basic components that um our remote is gonna need , just basically every remote'll need 'em.


Mm it's enough. But uh click it on off ?

so you all know me , I'm the Industrial Designer. And we've some basic components that um our remote is gonna need , just basically every remote'll need 'em.

We need some kinda of power d power source. Um we have to decide on our our user interface , which is his department , but the in user interface is also a major component. Um we need a programmable digital signal processor to um to take the input from the user and translate that into uh into electronic signal , which we pass to the infra-red L_E_D_ , which you aim at the television uh which  and it receives that signal. You need a on-off switch um I don't know how that got in there. And uh we also need to um have the   if we want a universal remote we need to have encryption codes for the different makes of T_V_s. So we need to know all the different you know all the different signals and so that'll require some memory as well. Um so here's just a basic layout of how how the remote would work. You ha the v the power source is in the upper right-hand corner there , and you can see that uh we have the user interface here which is connected to the chip which does all our signal processing , and then passes that signal on to the infra-red L_E_D_ and that signal is then emitted and received by the television at the photo-transistor. So  those are the basic components that need to go into this and everything else is pretty much uh open to move around.


Mm it's enough. But uh click it on off ?

so you all know me , I'm the Industrial Designer. And we've some basic components that um our remote is gonna need , just basically every remote'll need 'em.

We need some kinda of power d power source. Um we have to decide on our our user interface , which is his department , but the in user interface is also a major component. Um we need a programmable digital signal processor to um to take the input from the user and translate that into uh into electronic signal , which we pass to the infra-red L_E_D_ , which you aim at the television uh which  and it receives that signal. You need a on-off switch um I don't know how that got in there. And uh we also need to um have the   if we want a universal remote we need to have encryption codes for the different makes of T_V_s. So we need to know all the different you know all the different signals and so that'll require some memory as well. Um so here's just a basic layout of how how the remote would work. You ha the v the power source is in the upper right-hand corner there , and you can see that uh we have the user interface here which is connected to the chip which does all our signal processing , and then passes that signal on to the infra-red L_E_D_ and that signal is then emitted and received by the television at the photo-transistor. So  those are the basic components that need to go into this and everything else is pretty much uh open to move around.

Now is  would this be  considered just a standard uh um


so you all know me , I'm the Industrial Designer. And we've some basic components that um our remote is gonna need , just basically every remote'll need 'em.

We need some kinda of power d power source. Um we have to decide on our our user interface , which is his department , but the in user interface is also a major component. Um we need a programmable digital signal processor to um to take the input from the user and translate that into uh into electronic signal , which we pass to the infra-red L_E_D_ , which you aim at the television uh which  and it receives that signal. You need a on-off switch um I don't know how that got in there. And uh we also need to um have the   if we want a universal remote we need to have encryption codes for the different makes of T_V_s. So we need to know all the different you know all the different signals and so that'll require some memory as well. Um so here's just a basic layout of how how the remote would work. You ha the v the power source is in the upper right-hand corner there , and you can see that uh we have the user interface here which is connected to the chip which does all our signal processing , and then passes that signal on to the infra-red L_E_D_ and that signal is then emitted and received by the television at the photo-transistor. So  those are the basic components that need to go into this and everything else is pretty much uh open to move around.

Now is  would this be  considered just a standard uh um


We need some kinda of power d power source. Um we have to decide on our our user interface , which is his department , but the in user interface is also a major component. Um we need a programmable digital signal processor to um to take the input from the user and translate that into uh into electronic signal , which we pass to the infra-red L_E_D_ , which you aim at the television uh which  and it receives that signal. You need a on-off switch um I don't know how that got in there. And uh we also need to um have the   if we want a universal remote we need to have encryption codes for the different makes of T_V_s. So we need to know all the different you know all the different signals and so that'll require some memory as well. Um so here's just a basic layout of how how the remote would work. You ha the v the power source is in the upper right-hand corner there , and you can see that uh we have the user interface here which is connected to the chip which does all our signal processing , and then passes that signal on to the infra-red L_E_D_ and that signal is then emitted and received by the television at the photo-transistor. So  those are the basic components that need to go into this and everything else is pretty much uh open to move around.

Now is  would this be  considered just a standard uh um

This is not this is not cutting edge technology we're talking here.


Now is  would this be  considered just a standard uh um

This is not this is not cutting edge technology we're talking here.


This is not this is not cutting edge technology we're talking here.

We're talking about existing technology.


We're talking about existing technology.

Nothing is being modified or upgraded or new discoveries.


We're talking about existing technology.

Nothing is being modified or upgraded or new discoveries.

Yeah this is just  this is just a basic layout of ev  of all the components that w w are gonna be absolutely necessary f to have a working remote. We can add things in like if we wanted some voice recognition , I mean that  I mean  that you can kinda say would  would fall under the user interface and the digital signal processing chip.


Nothing is being modified or upgraded or new discoveries.

Yeah this is just  this is just a basic layout of ev  of all the components that w w are gonna be absolutely necessary f to have a working remote. We can add things in like if we wanted some voice recognition , I mean that  I mean  that you can kinda say would  would fall under the user interface and the digital signal processing chip.


Nothing is being modified or upgraded or new discoveries.

Yeah this is just  this is just a basic layout of ev  of all the components that w w are gonna be absolutely necessary f to have a working remote. We can add things in like if we wanted some voice recognition , I mean that  I mean  that you can kinda say would  would fall under the user interface and the digital signal processing chip.

Do we have an idea of costs of different components ?


Yeah this is just  this is just a basic layout of ev  of all the components that w w are gonna be absolutely necessary f to have a working remote. We can add things in like if we wanted some voice recognition , I mean that  I mean  that you can kinda say would  would fall under the user interface and the digital signal processing chip.

Do we have an idea of costs of different components ?

Um well the most the most costly components are gonna be the chip and the uh th it could als basically the user interface and the casing are gonna be expensive as well.


Do we have an idea of costs of different components ?

Um well the most the most costly components are gonna be the chip and the uh th it could als basically the user interface and the casing are gonna be expensive as well.


Do we have an idea of costs of different components ?

Um well the most the most costly components are gonna be the chip and the uh th it could als basically the user interface and the casing are gonna be expensive as well.

Um the L_E_D_ and the the transistors and everything else are you know they're they're pretty cheap. So depending on what we want our functionality to be , um the chip could be expensive or it could be cheap.


Um well the most the most costly components are gonna be the chip and the uh th it could als basically the user interface and the casing are gonna be expensive as well.

Um the L_E_D_ and the the transistors and everything else are you know they're they're pretty cheap. So depending on what we want our functionality to be , um the chip could be expensive or it could be cheap.


Um the L_E_D_ and the the transistors and everything else are you know they're they're pretty cheap. So depending on what we want our functionality to be , um the chip could be expensive or it could be cheap.

Um depending on the n amount of memory we need in there and stuff like that and h and h  you know how much power.


Um the L_E_D_ and the the transistors and everything else are you know they're they're pretty cheap. So depending on what we want our functionality to be , um the chip could be expensive or it could be cheap.

Um depending on the n amount of memory we need in there and stuff like that and h and h  you know how much power.

Do we have any ballpark figures for that yet ? No.


Um depending on the n amount of memory we need in there and stuff like that and h and h  you know how much power.

Do we have any ballpark figures for that yet ? No.


Do we have any ballpark figures for that yet ? No.

We uh we have to wait until we get to a more specific design phase for that.


We uh we have to wait until we get to a more specific design phase for that.


We uh we have to wait until we get to a more specific design phase for that.

Um but  and I think a significant part of the cost could be the actual the actual casing itself and and you know the the b the buttons and things like that , I think.


Um but  and I think a significant part of the cost could be the actual the actual casing itself and and you know the the b the buttons and things like that , I think.


Okay. Thanks. And we have participant three , which I believe is Pedro.


When we're fighting over it's also more  lot more fun.


When we're fighting over it's also more  lot more fun.

View a slide show , that's what you wanna do , yeah ? Just go up to view.


View a slide show , that's what you wanna do , yeah ? Just go up to view.


This doesn't work.  So yeah function design. Um you guys know me , Pedro , and um what I found is we want to do fashion and I think , honestly , we should keep technology low and just simple basically and try to aim for design. If basically a case will will cost the same if it looks good or bad so we ma we have to make it look good. Um something cute and small. The big chunky remotes are died in the eighties. So we should just go for something that people will like to actually look at.


This doesn't work.  So yeah function design. Um you guys know me , Pedro , and um what I found is we want to do fashion and I think , honestly , we should keep technology low and just simple basically and try to aim for design. If basically a case will will cost the same if it looks good or bad so we ma we have to make it look good. Um something cute and small. The big chunky remotes are died in the eighties. So we should just go for something that people will like to actually look at.

And um although mo most people will buy s televisions and everything for uh  that have loads of loads of little functions and everything and they mostly end up using simple functions and little things and most the people won't won't get too mad of actually having to go the  to the s to the television to , for instance , tune in their  the stations. There's no need to have that in the remote. So um um as for what I would recommend for uh the the interface design , and uh I will change the colours on the on the logo , but  um we should go for the user-oriented device , so simple controls and good ergonomics. Um and uh although I th I th I'm still here recommending the teletext so I'll remove that , I guess , but um we should go for the


This doesn't work.  So yeah function design. Um you guys know me , Pedro , and um what I found is we want to do fashion and I think , honestly , we should keep technology low and just simple basically and try to aim for design. If basically a case will will cost the same if it looks good or bad so we ma we have to make it look good. Um something cute and small. The big chunky remotes are died in the eighties. So we should just go for something that people will like to actually look at.

And um although mo most people will buy s televisions and everything for uh  that have loads of loads of little functions and everything and they mostly end up using simple functions and little things and most the people won't won't get too mad of actually having to go the  to the s to the television to , for instance , tune in their  the stations. There's no need to have that in the remote. So um um as for what I would recommend for uh the the interface design , and uh I will change the colours on the on the logo , but  um we should go for the user-oriented device , so simple controls and good ergonomics. Um and uh although I th I th I'm still here recommending the teletext so I'll remove that , I guess , but um we should go for the

But I t I think what the  the management recommendation was less that there's a worry that teletext will become outdated rather than we shouldn't have it. So I I still think if it's cheap enough functionality-wise to include , it really should be in there.


And um although mo most people will buy s televisions and everything for uh  that have loads of loads of little functions and everything and they mostly end up using simple functions and little things and most the people won't won't get too mad of actually having to go the  to the s to the television to , for instance , tune in their  the stations. There's no need to have that in the remote. So um um as for what I would recommend for uh the the interface design , and uh I will change the colours on the on the logo , but  um we should go for the user-oriented device , so simple controls and good ergonomics. Um and uh although I th I th I'm still here recommending the teletext so I'll remove that , I guess , but um we should go for the

But I t I think what the  the management recommendation was less that there's a worry that teletext will become outdated rather than we shouldn't have it. So I I still think if it's cheap enough functionality-wise to include , it really should be in there.

Because otherwise we're just going to  I mean  even if it's necessary or not , if you  if you're given the choice between a t a remote with teletext or without uh when it really  if it i  if it isn't more expensive for us to k make  because as far as I understand it ,  it can be operated with the same set of buttons , yeah ? So it should be in there.


But I t I think what the  the management recommendation was less that there's a worry that teletext will become outdated rather than we shouldn't have it. So I I still think if it's cheap enough functionality-wise to include , it really should be in there.

Because otherwise we're just going to  I mean  even if it's necessary or not , if you  if you're given the choice between a t a remote with teletext or without uh when it really  if it i  if it isn't more expensive for us to k make  because as far as I understand it ,  it can be operated with the same set of buttons , yeah ? So it should be in there.


Because otherwise we're just going to  I mean  even if it's necessary or not , if you  if you're given the choice between a t a remote with teletext or without uh when it really  if it i  if it isn't more expensive for us to k make  because as far as I understand it ,  it can be operated with the same set of buttons , yeah ? So it should be in there.


Because otherwise we're just going to  I mean  even if it's necessary or not , if you  if you're given the choice between a t a remote with teletext or without uh when it really  if it i  if it isn't more expensive for us to k make  because as far as I understand it ,  it can be operated with the same set of buttons , yeah ? So it should be in there.

i it's just uh  the cost of an extra button. I mean software-wise there's really no difference.


i it's just uh  the cost of an extra button. I mean software-wise there's really no difference.


i it's just uh  the cost of an extra button. I mean software-wise there's really no difference.

I have maybe a silly question. I  in the very beginning it said with the with the advent of computers there's gonna be the  it's gonna be out-moded teletext. I I don't understand how those two things are connected. How does how does computers and teletext  h how  why is one eliminating the need of the other ? I don't understand that.


I have maybe a silly question. I  in the very beginning it said with the with the advent of computers there's gonna be the  it's gonna be out-moded teletext. I I don't understand how those two things are connected. How does how does computers and teletext  h how  why is one eliminating the need of the other ? I don't understand that.

Well maybe what we're getting into here is the the idea of uh Internet through the T_V_ for example. So that might play on what we can do.


I have maybe a silly question. I  in the very beginning it said with the with the advent of computers there's gonna be the  it's gonna be out-moded teletext. I I don't understand how those two things are connected. How does how does computers and teletext  h how  why is one eliminating the need of the other ? I don't understand that.

Well maybe what we're getting into here is the the idea of uh Internet through the T_V_ for example. So that might play on what we can do.

Yeah the they're basically aiming at saying that  you would use  you know a couple of years ago teletext to be the easiest way to check like for uh uh the scheduling and the next programme and stuff like that


I have maybe a silly question. I  in the very beginning it said with the with the advent of computers there's gonna be the  it's gonna be out-moded teletext. I I don't understand how those two things are connected. How does how does computers and teletext  h how  why is one eliminating the need of the other ? I don't understand that.

Well maybe what we're getting into here is the the idea of uh Internet through the T_V_ for example. So that might play on what we can do.

Yeah the they're basically aiming at saying that  you would use  you know a couple of years ago teletext to be the easiest way to check like for uh uh the scheduling and the next programme and stuff like that

Scheduling. Um to find out what what you're watching even if there's commercials you know.


Well maybe what we're getting into here is the the idea of uh Internet through the T_V_ for example. So that might play on what we can do.

Yeah the they're basically aiming at saying that  you would use  you know a couple of years ago teletext to be the easiest way to check like for uh uh the scheduling and the next programme and stuff like that

Scheduling. Um to find out what what you're watching even if there's commercials you know.


Yeah the they're basically aiming at saying that  you would use  you know a couple of years ago teletext to be the easiest way to check like for uh uh the scheduling and the next programme and stuff like that

Scheduling. Um to find out what what you're watching even if there's commercials you know.


Scheduling. Um to find out what what you're watching even if there's commercials you know.

and now you can c look it over Internet. But I still think teletext is way more convenient until until we have the same commodities.


and now you can c look it over Internet. But I still think teletext is way more convenient until until we have the same commodities.


and now you can c look it over Internet. But I still think teletext is way more convenient until until we have the same commodities.

Yeah 'cause , yeah , I just  I don't see the cross-over between computers and television. I mean I do see the cross-over in some sense ,


Yeah 'cause , yeah , I just  I don't see the cross-over between computers and television. I mean I do see the cross-over in some sense ,

but but but but with the  the remote is is used for television , okay.


but but but but with the  the remote is is used for television , okay.

Well you have digital T_V_ still already.


Well you have digital T_V_ still already.

So so if we make the cross-over and we're gonna view television on computers then we're then we're losing the the necessity of the remote. S


So so if we make the cross-over and we're gonna view television on computers then we're then we're losing the the necessity of the remote. S

Well there there is a  for example on digital T_V_ systems you have  you can press a button and you can buy things in adverts ,


Well there there is a  for example on digital T_V_ systems you have  you can press a button and you can buy things in adverts ,

and you can uh you can view through a catalogue for example.


and you can uh you can view through a catalogue for example.

A a family member of mine has got a system where you just um you can  Yeah , and there's other features for example on other systems where you can pause live T_V_ and things like that. They're just features from the Internet uh from computers are are coming into the T_V_ sort of under the covers , but you still use it through a teletext.


A a family member of mine has got a system where you just um you can  Yeah , and there's other features for example on other systems where you can pause live T_V_ and things like that. They're just features from the Internet uh from computers are are coming into the T_V_ sort of under the covers , but you still use it through a teletext.

So now the things to think here are that that there's gonna be more functionality , potentially that we can handle.


So now the things to think here are that that there's gonna be more functionality , potentially that we can handle.

Yeah but we we don't we're not aiming a command for that. That's the thing. And all of those require the other commands with more complexity and more software and


So now the things to think here are that that there's gonna be more functionality , potentially that we can handle.

Yeah but we we don't we're not aiming a command for that. That's the thing. And all of those require the other commands with more complexity and more software and

I think a lot of that's proprietary anyways. You're not gonna be able to , you , like command a TiVo with our remote. I don't think.


Yeah but we we don't we're not aiming a command for that. That's the thing. And all of those require the other commands with more complexity and more software and

I think a lot of that's proprietary anyways. You're not gonna be able to , you , like command a TiVo with our remote. I don't think.

Mm. But still there there's an opportunity. If if it's  , for example , a trainable one then we're  just simply having like an up , down , left , right , an okay button or something like that might might do as well in future proofing it.


Yeah but we we don't we're not aiming a command for that. That's the thing. And all of those require the other commands with more complexity and more software and

I think a lot of that's proprietary anyways. You're not gonna be able to , you , like command a TiVo with our remote. I don't think.

Mm. But still there there's an opportunity. If if it's  , for example , a trainable one then we're  just simply having like an up , down , left , right , an okay button or something like that might might do as well in future proofing it.

Yeah but we would increase the price to try to make it a trainable one , so


I think a lot of that's proprietary anyways. You're not gonna be able to , you , like command a TiVo with our remote. I don't think.

Mm. But still there there's an opportunity. If if it's  , for example , a trainable one then we're  just simply having like an up , down , left , right , an okay button or something like that might might do as well in future proofing it.

Yeah but we would increase the price to try to make it a trainable one , so


Mm. But still there there's an opportunity. If if it's  , for example , a trainable one then we're  just simply having like an up , down , left , right , an okay button or something like that might might do as well in future proofing it.

Yeah but we would increase the price to try to make it a trainable one , so

Well I dunno. One way the other teletext was there but I guess we can remove it or , you know , make two separate interface designs.


Yeah but we would increase the price to try to make it a trainable one , so

Well I dunno. One way the other teletext was there but I guess we can remove it or , you know , make two separate interface designs.

I think if it's possible you should try to you know have a talk with management about that. Just you know


Well I dunno. One way the other teletext was there but I guess we can remove it or , you know , make two separate interface designs.

I think if it's possible you should try to you know have a talk with management about that. Just you know


I think if it's possible you should try to you know have a talk with management about that. Just you know


I I don't see the logic in elimination of teletext , I just I I


I I don't see the logic in elimination of teletext , I just I I

but I'm not a tech-mind either. I just don't see the cross-over between computers and and and


but I'm not a tech-mind either. I just don't see the cross-over between computers and and and

'Cause we are designing something for a television , okay.


but I'm not a tech-mind either. I just don't see the cross-over between computers and and and

'Cause we are designing something for a television , okay.

I'll communicate that back to those guys there a a and th the message really we wanna be sending to them is that , although teletext may become outdated w there's no l logic in not having it in there anyway i if it doesn't affect the price.


'Cause we are designing something for a television , okay.

I'll communicate that back to those guys there a a and th the message really we wanna be sending to them is that , although teletext may become outdated w there's no l logic in not having it in there anyway i if it doesn't affect the price.


I'll communicate that back to those guys there a a and th the message really we wanna be sending to them is that , although teletext may become outdated w there's no l logic in not having it in there anyway i if it doesn't affect the price.

Um but I I think what they're pushing us towards here is in terms of thinking of ways to future-proof our system for future systems that have something else other than teletext maybe.


Um but I I think what they're pushing us towards here is in terms of thinking of ways to future-proof our system for future systems that have something else other than teletext maybe.


Um but I I think what they're pushing us towards here is in terms of thinking of ways to future-proof our system for future systems that have something else other than teletext maybe.

We are selling it to an existing market.


We are selling it to an existing market.


We are selling it to an existing market.

Yeah but we're not putting some  there's no no putting anything in in the place of teletext.


Yeah but we're not putting some  there's no no putting anything in in the place of teletext.


and and , yeah , and and we're also  marketing a product. It's  what I'm seeing is a is a mid-range cost product.


and and , yeah , and and we're also  marketing a product. It's  what I'm seeing is a is a mid-range cost product.

So so w we can't go and pump a whole bunch of technology into this thing


So so w we can't go and pump a whole bunch of technology into this thing

because all of a sudden we are gonna have cost overruns. So if we drop  if we are gonna choose to drop teletext , again what are we adding to the product that makes it marketable ?


So so w we can't go and pump a whole bunch of technology into this thing

because all of a sudden we are gonna have cost overruns. So if we drop  if we are gonna choose to drop teletext , again what are we adding to the product that makes it marketable ?

Hmm. So if we're keeping it basic we're loo loo what we're looking to sell it basically is it's uh just being very easy to use , looking exceptionally good , that sort of thing. 'Cause we really don't have anything else there , do we ?


because all of a sudden we are gonna have cost overruns. So if we drop  if we are gonna choose to drop teletext , again what are we adding to the product that makes it marketable ?

Hmm. So if we're keeping it basic we're loo loo what we're looking to sell it basically is it's uh just being very easy to use , looking exceptionally good , that sort of thing. 'Cause we really don't have anything else there , do we ?


because all of a sudden we are gonna have cost overruns. So if we drop  if we are gonna choose to drop teletext , again what are we adding to the product that makes it marketable ?

Hmm. So if we're keeping it basic we're loo loo what we're looking to sell it basically is it's uh just being very easy to use , looking exceptionally good , that sort of thing. 'Cause we really don't have anything else there , do we ?

I don't I don't see it , and to me if I'm gonna market a product for b for beauty for for design I'm gonna I'm gonna try to market it at a much higher price. I need to make it special with a high price tag. I don't want to make it economically uh g uh competitive.


Hmm. So if we're keeping it basic we're loo loo what we're looking to sell it basically is it's uh just being very easy to use , looking exceptionally good , that sort of thing. 'Cause we really don't have anything else there , do we ?

I don't I don't see it , and to me if I'm gonna market a product for b for beauty for for design I'm gonna I'm gonna try to market it at a much higher price. I need to make it special with a high price tag. I don't want to make it economically uh g uh competitive.


I don't I don't see it , and to me if I'm gonna market a product for b for beauty for for design I'm gonna I'm gonna try to market it at a much higher price. I need to make it special with a high price tag. I don't want to make it economically uh g uh competitive.

I want I want to market it as exclusive. So I would market this product it  at eighty-nine Euros and come up with some really  beautiful exterior design or something th but but I don't think we have that flexibility.


I don't I don't see it , and to me if I'm gonna market a product for b for beauty for for design I'm gonna I'm gonna try to market it at a much higher price. I need to make it special with a high price tag. I don't want to make it economically uh g uh competitive.

I want I want to market it as exclusive. So I would market this product it  at eighty-nine Euros and come up with some really  beautiful exterior design or something th but but I don't think we have that flexibility.

But i if design if design is cheap and functionality is basic , then twenty-five Euros is probably a high price for a commoner garden  stan standard T_V_ so the place  uh remote the then the place we're going to justify that cost is through through design through making it a a sleek elegant  high-priced basic remote. Does that make sense , huh ?


I want I want to market it as exclusive. So I would market this product it  at eighty-nine Euros and come up with some really  beautiful exterior design or something th but but I don't think we have that flexibility.

But i if design if design is cheap and functionality is basic , then twenty-five Euros is probably a high price for a commoner garden  stan standard T_V_ so the place  uh remote the then the place we're going to justify that cost is through through design through making it a a sleek elegant  high-priced basic remote. Does that make sense , huh ?


But i if design if design is cheap and functionality is basic , then twenty-five Euros is probably a high price for a commoner garden  stan standard T_V_ so the place  uh remote the then the place we're going to justify that cost is through through design through making it a a sleek elegant  high-priced basic remote. Does that make sense , huh ?

but what I'm what I'm , okay  we probably need to move along ,


but what I'm what I'm , okay  we probably need to move along ,


but what I'm what I'm , okay  we probably need to move along ,

but my my concern is trying to find a marketing niche for this product ,


but my my concern is trying to find a marketing niche for this product ,

and if I'm coming in with a with with twenty-five Euros , which is mid-market price , um then what am I going to give these people for this ?


and if I'm coming in with a with with twenty-five Euros , which is mid-market price , um then what am I going to give these people for this ?

So that's just my question , but we can keep talking.


and if I'm coming in with a with with twenty-five Euros , which is mid-market price , um then what am I going to give these people for this ?

So that's just my question , but we can keep talking.

Okay. Sorry that kinda cut into you there.


So that's just my question , but we can keep talking.

Okay. Sorry that kinda cut into you there.

No just I I would I would advocate for continuing teletext and those would be the basic commands. Um as for , you know , the the case design uh maybe I'll come up with more concrete ideas. Right now it's just the idea of simplicity and slickness , cute and small um


So that's just my question , but we can keep talking.

Okay. Sorry that kinda cut into you there.

No just I I would I would advocate for continuing teletext and those would be the basic commands. Um as for , you know , the the case design uh maybe I'll come up with more concrete ideas. Right now it's just the idea of simplicity and slickness , cute and small um

Right. I'm just thinking you know with all these universal remotes that are out there , how many people  how many people actually use every feature that ar you know i like these trainable remotes and things like that , where , you know , it's just so confusing to do  to use all these functions. Where I think the largest portion of the market is just gonna  you know they lost their T_V_ remote , they need another one that'll work with their T_V_. They want something that looks nice , that that that isn't gonna break when they drop it , that you know that maybe it's it's ergonomic , it feels good in your hand , something like that.


Okay. Sorry that kinda cut into you there.

No just I I would I would advocate for continuing teletext and those would be the basic commands. Um as for , you know , the the case design uh maybe I'll come up with more concrete ideas. Right now it's just the idea of simplicity and slickness , cute and small um

Right. I'm just thinking you know with all these universal remotes that are out there , how many people  how many people actually use every feature that ar you know i like these trainable remotes and things like that , where , you know , it's just so confusing to do  to use all these functions. Where I think the largest portion of the market is just gonna  you know they lost their T_V_ remote , they need another one that'll work with their T_V_. They want something that looks nice , that that that isn't gonna break when they drop it , that you know that maybe it's it's ergonomic , it feels good in your hand , something like that.


No just I I would I would advocate for continuing teletext and those would be the basic commands. Um as for , you know , the the case design uh maybe I'll come up with more concrete ideas. Right now it's just the idea of simplicity and slickness , cute and small um

Right. I'm just thinking you know with all these universal remotes that are out there , how many people  how many people actually use every feature that ar you know i like these trainable remotes and things like that , where , you know , it's just so confusing to do  to use all these functions. Where I think the largest portion of the market is just gonna  you know they lost their T_V_ remote , they need another one that'll work with their T_V_. They want something that looks nice , that that that isn't gonna break when they drop it , that you know that maybe it's it's ergonomic , it feels good in your hand , something like that.

I think that's gonna be where you're gonna find the biggest , you know , market share.


Right. I'm just thinking you know with all these universal remotes that are out there , how many people  how many people actually use every feature that ar you know i like these trainable remotes and things like that , where , you know , it's just so confusing to do  to use all these functions. Where I think the largest portion of the market is just gonna  you know they lost their T_V_ remote , they need another one that'll work with their T_V_. They want something that looks nice , that that that isn't gonna break when they drop it , that you know that maybe it's it's ergonomic , it feels good in your hand , something like that.

I think that's gonna be where you're gonna find the biggest , you know , market share.

So we are looking for something that looks good and just works , rather than looking for any special features. Is that


I think that's gonna be where you're gonna find the biggest , you know , market share.

So we are looking for something that looks good and just works , rather than looking for any special features. Is that

I think the more bells and whistles we add , it's just gonna cut into our into our profits.


So we are looking for something that looks good and just works , rather than looking for any special features. Is that

I think the more bells and whistles we add , it's just gonna cut into our into our profits.

Because I think as we as we add costs for things like uh  for like if we add the voice recognition and things like that , I think  you know what percentage of the of the um of the market is actually gonna use that ?


I think the more bells and whistles we add , it's just gonna cut into our into our profits.

Because I think as we as we add costs for things like uh  for like if we add the voice recognition and things like that , I think  you know what percentage of the of the um of the market is actually gonna use that ?


Because I think as we as we add costs for things like uh  for like if we add the voice recognition and things like that , I think  you know what percentage of the of the um of the market is actually gonna use that ?


But we can talk a little bit more potentially in the marketing marketing presentation about this.


Oh P Pedro , I just want to say quickly I I would really like it when you can come up with some more bells and whistles , eh.


Oh P Pedro , I just want to say quickly I I would really like it when you can come up with some more bells and whistles , eh.

You know sell uh  things come to my mind is uh uh something that's uh  um voice-activated. I know we're getting into some , I hope , some big money on this thing , but


Oh P Pedro , I just want to say quickly I I would really like it when you can come up with some more bells and whistles , eh.

You know sell uh  things come to my mind is uh uh something that's uh  um voice-activated. I know we're getting into some , I hope , some big money on this thing , but

I think that's probably a question more for for this guy here , yeah.


You know sell uh  things come to my mind is uh uh something that's uh  um voice-activated. I know we're getting into some , I hope , some big money on this thing , but

I think that's probably a question more for for this guy here , yeah.


I think that's probably a question more for for this guy here , yeah.


'Cause uh and I think of voice-activated I think of of  how many times I've I've lost my my remote and I can't find it. So some way that I can I can find my remote by clapping my hands or something


'Cause uh and I think of voice-activated I think of of  how many times I've I've lost my my remote and I can't find it. So some way that I can I can find my remote by clapping my hands or something

Mm-hmm. I was thinking about that. Then your lights would go off , though.


Mm-hmm. I was thinking about that. Then your lights would go off , though.

But this 's just something. I'm trying to find some bells and whistles 'cause when they talk about tel taking out teletext , it's like , what are we gonna put in ? What makes this thing attractive ? And it's only for televisions. So we  everyth our our competition out there has got these these multiple adaptors where they can use 'em for their V_C_R_s , their D_V_D_s , their  their televisions and we're coming out with one remote for television only. And so to me we have to make this a really special product


But this 's just something. I'm trying to find some bells and whistles 'cause when they talk about tel taking out teletext , it's like , what are we gonna put in ? What makes this thing attractive ? And it's only for televisions. So we  everyth our our competition out there has got these these multiple adaptors where they can use 'em for their V_C_R_s , their D_V_D_s , their  their televisions and we're coming out with one remote for television only. And so to me we have to make this a really special product


But this 's just something. I'm trying to find some bells and whistles 'cause when they talk about tel taking out teletext , it's like , what are we gonna put in ? What makes this thing attractive ? And it's only for televisions. So we  everyth our our competition out there has got these these multiple adaptors where they can use 'em for their V_C_R_s , their D_V_D_s , their  their televisions and we're coming out with one remote for television only. And so to me we have to make this a really special product

I I I don't s I really have to say I don't see the market niche for this product. At this price I don't see it yet. I'm  I I go along with this , because this is what we're given to try to market , but I I don't see the market niche for this product without without some really sort of something really special to identify it as as unique in the market.


I I I don't s I really have to say I don't see the market niche for this product. At this price I don't see it yet. I'm  I I go along with this , because this is what we're given to try to market , but I I don't see the market niche for this product without without some really sort of something really special to identify it as as unique in the market.


I think technology we'd we  we're not in the price range to do it. We don't have the money to do it towards t f technology so we should we should aim at design.


I think technology we'd we  we're not in the price range to do it. We don't have the money to do it towards t f technology so we should we should aim at design.

Okay. Have to do  you have to do it in the box ?


I think technology we'd we  we're not in the price range to do it. We don't have the money to do it towards t f technology so we should we should aim at design.

Okay. Have to do  you have to do it in the box ?

Okay well , so so that's up to you then to  to make this box in something that's absolutely extraordinary.


Okay. Have to do  you have to do it in the box ?

Okay well , so so that's up to you then to  to make this box in something that's absolutely extraordinary.


Okay well , so so that's up to you then to  to make this box in something that's absolutely extraordinary.

Maybe make it in the form of a gun. We can sell it in United States.


Okay well , so so that's up to you then to  to make this box in something that's absolutely extraordinary.

Maybe make it in the form of a gun. We can sell it in United States.

I have a question uh for you. Does any of the um the features that Pedro's spoken about here have any implications we might not have thought about on in terms of just pure functionality ? In terms of making it work or the cost of that or


Maybe make it in the form of a gun. We can sell it in United States.

I have a question uh for you. Does any of the um the features that Pedro's spoken about here have any implications we might not have thought about on in terms of just pure functionality ? In terms of making it work or the cost of that or

I don't   I think all these things are pretty standard. I think we'll be okay.


Maybe make it in the form of a gun. We can sell it in United States.

I have a question uh for you. Does any of the um the features that Pedro's spoken about here have any implications we might not have thought about on in terms of just pure functionality ? In terms of making it work or the cost of that or

I don't   I think all these things are pretty standard. I think we'll be okay.

Okay. 'Kay. Cheers. Onto participant  four.


I have a question uh for you. Does any of the um the features that Pedro's spoken about here have any implications we might not have thought about on in terms of just pure functionality ? In terms of making it work or the cost of that or

I don't   I think all these things are pretty standard. I think we'll be okay.

Okay. 'Kay. Cheers. Onto participant  four.

Well  you know for marketing f  marketing for me is uh  and uh how do I go here ? Okay.


I don't   I think all these things are pretty standard. I think we'll be okay.

Okay. 'Kay. Cheers. Onto participant  four.

Well  you know for marketing f  marketing for me is uh  and uh how do I go here ? Okay.


Okay. 'Kay. Cheers. Onto participant  four.

Well  you know for marketing f  marketing for me is uh  and uh how do I go here ? Okay.


Well  you know for marketing f  marketing for me is uh  and uh how do I go here ? Okay.


you just get off that. You just click anywhere.


you just get off that. You just click anywhere.

Ah-ha. Yeah , what for me is it um  I d I don't know what I'm marketing right now , okay , 'til you spoke and when I wrote this , I don't know what I'm marketing. I just know that I I was identified as a a  we identified ourselves as a as a developer , as a manufacturer , and as a as a um distributor t to other wholesalers. And so the th the twenty-five Euros that we've identified as the sale price is a wholesale price rather than a retail price.


you just get off that. You just click anywhere.

Ah-ha. Yeah , what for me is it um  I d I don't know what I'm marketing right now , okay , 'til you spoke and when I wrote this , I don't know what I'm marketing. I just know that I I was identified as a a  we identified ourselves as a as a developer , as a manufacturer , and as a as a um distributor t to other wholesalers. And so the th the twenty-five Euros that we've identified as the sale price is a wholesale price rather than a retail price.

That's what we decided here. Um so what I did is I I decided that  that this this needs to be a product in a in a sense can market itself. So what we've identified here as our main marketing stratagem is is in design. We're making the most beautiful attractive uh whatever we decide it is. So that means we have about seven more minutes or ten minutes left.


Ah-ha. Yeah , what for me is it um  I d I don't know what I'm marketing right now , okay , 'til you spoke and when I wrote this , I don't know what I'm marketing. I just know that I I was identified as a a  we identified ourselves as a as a developer , as a manufacturer , and as a as a um distributor t to other wholesalers. And so the th the twenty-five Euros that we've identified as the sale price is a wholesale price rather than a retail price.

That's what we decided here. Um so what I did is I I decided that  that this this needs to be a product in a in a sense can market itself. So what we've identified here as our main marketing stratagem is is in design. We're making the most beautiful attractive uh whatever we decide it is. So that means we have about seven more minutes or ten minutes left.


That's what we decided here. Um so what I did is I I decided that  that this this needs to be a product in a in a sense can market itself. So what we've identified here as our main marketing stratagem is is in design. We're making the most beautiful attractive uh whatever we decide it is. So that means we have about seven more minutes or ten minutes left.

Um  so I would like to have a product that that we can sell easily. So I say inspiration , so having something beauty , something attractive , uh something that in a sense will sell itself.


Um  so I would like to have a product that that we can sell easily. So I say inspiration , so having something beauty , something attractive , uh something that in a sense will sell itself.

Uh innovation I think fits into what we're talking about here with design. Uh cutting edge technology , I don't think we're gonna have that , these were ideas I was putting together , um unless we come up with some New Age product a as far as the casing is concerned. I I wanna make this thing something that I can identify as special in some way , so maybe we can have some  I I talked about environmentally sensitive , uh maybe we have a product that can be identified in some way as advantageous in a home. I don't know. These are just thoughts. Uh I wanted to talk about uh who we are as a as a corporation , that we're new , we're aggressive , we're competitive , we're we're trying to provide a product from a new perspective rather than from an old corporate line. So to me it's about selling d uh our identity  our corporate identity along with the product.  Um what I found is that the projected costs are competitive.


Uh innovation I think fits into what we're talking about here with design. Uh cutting edge technology , I don't think we're gonna have that , these were ideas I was putting together , um unless we come up with some New Age product a as far as the casing is concerned. I I wanna make this thing something that I can identify as special in some way , so maybe we can have some  I I talked about environmentally sensitive , uh maybe we have a product that can be identified in some way as advantageous in a home. I don't know. These are just thoughts. Uh I wanted to talk about uh who we are as a as a corporation , that we're new , we're aggressive , we're competitive , we're we're trying to provide a product from a new perspective rather than from an old corporate line. So to me it's about selling d uh our identity  our corporate identity along with the product.  Um what I found is that the projected costs are competitive.

Uh we're kind of in the middle of the market , but what I'm seeing is that the market is ready for  I I identified new technology , but again , because what I see is budget restrictions and limitations , I don't know that we can bring any new technology into this thing. If if we could have a technological something


Uh we're kind of in the middle of the market , but what I'm seeing is that the market is ready for  I I identified new technology , but again , because what I see is budget restrictions and limitations , I don't know that we can bring any new technology into this thing. If if we could have a technological something


So we're 'kay ? On the  or  No. I dunno where to put it 'cause the  Okay. Could you s take it off ? .


How do we sta wa how do we start ? Does anybody know ?


Uh  .  . Hmm. Okay , just hang on a second everybody. I haven't actually looked at this yet.


I haven't looked at it , but let's just start it off and we'll see what happens. If you're all ready.


I haven't looked at it , but let's just start it off and we'll see what happens. If you're all ready.

So  is the agenda ? Opening , acquaintance , tool training and project plan , discussion and then closing. Project aim is a new remote control. It's original , uh trendy and it's user-friendly.


So  is the agenda ? Opening , acquaintance , tool training and project plan , discussion and then closing. Project aim is a new remote control. It's original , uh trendy and it's user-friendly.

Project method , functional design , individual work , another meeting , conceptual design , individual work , and a meeting of details design , individual work and a meeting. Tool training. Try out the whiteboard , every participant should draw their favourite animal and sum up their favourite characteristics of that animal.


Project method , functional design , individual work , another meeting , conceptual design , individual work , and a meeting of details design , individual work and a meeting. Tool training. Try out the whiteboard , every participant should draw their favourite animal and sum up their favourite characteristics of that animal.

Um. Uh Miss Industrial Designer , would you like to go first ?


Project method , functional design , individual work , another meeting , conceptual design , individual work , and a meeting of details design , individual work and a meeting. Tool training. Try out the whiteboard , every participant should draw their favourite animal and sum up their favourite characteristics of that animal.

Um. Uh Miss Industrial Designer , would you like to go first ?

Okay. So are we supposed to bring the little things for the