Great. That 's exactly what is necessary.


Great. That 's exactly what is necessary.

And um. This referencing thing however is of temporary nature because sooner or later the W - three - C will be finished with their X - path , uh , um , specification and then it 's going to be even much nicer. Then we have real means of pointing at an individual instantiation of one of our elements here


And um. This referencing thing however is of temporary nature because sooner or later the W - three - C will be finished with their X - path , uh , um , specification and then it 's going to be even much nicer. Then we have real means of pointing at an individual instantiation of one of our elements here

and link it to another one , and this not only within a document but also via documents ,


and link it to another one , and this not only within a document but also via documents ,


and  and all in a v very easy e homogenous framework.


and  and all in a v very easy e homogenous framework.

So you know  happen to know how  what  what " sooner or later " means like in practice ?


So you know  happen to know how  what  what " sooner or later " means like in practice ?

So it 's g it 's  the spec is there and it 's gonna part of the M - three - L AP  API filed by the end of this year so that this means we can start using it basically now. But this is a technical detail.


So it 's g it 's  the spec is there and it 's gonna part of the M - three - L AP  API filed by the end of this year so that this means we can start using it basically now. But this is a technical detail.

Mm - hmm. So a pointer  a way to really say pointers.


So it 's g it 's  the spec is there and it 's gonna part of the M - three - L AP  API filed by the end of this year so that this means we can start using it basically now. But this is a technical detail.

Mm - hmm. So a pointer  a way to really say pointers.

Basically references from the roles in the schema  the bottom schemas to the action schemas is wha uh I 'm assuming.


Mm - hmm. So a pointer  a way to really say pointers.

Basically references from the roles in the schema  the bottom schemas to the action schemas is wha uh I 'm assuming.

Yeah. Yeah , I mean personally , I 'm looking even more forward to the day when we 're going to have X forms , which l is a form of notation where it allows you to say that if the SPG action up there is Enter , then the goal type can never be a statue.


Basically references from the roles in the schema  the bottom schemas to the action schemas is wha uh I 'm assuming.

Yeah. Yeah , I mean personally , I 'm looking even more forward to the day when we 're going to have X forms , which l is a form of notation where it allows you to say that if the SPG action up there is Enter , then the goal type can never be a statue.


Yeah. Yeah , I mean personally , I 'm looking even more forward to the day when we 're going to have X forms , which l is a form of notation where it allows you to say that if the SPG action up there is Enter , then the goal type can never be a statue.


Yeah. Yeah , I mean personally , I 'm looking even more forward to the day when we 're going to have X forms , which l is a form of notation where it allows you to say that if the SPG action up there is Enter , then the goal type can never be a statue.

So you have constraints that are dependent on the c actual s specific filler , uh , of some attribute.


So you have constraints that are dependent on the c actual s specific filler , uh , of some attribute.

Mm - hmm , yeah. W Yeah e exactly. Um , you know this , of course , does not make sense in light of the Statue of Liberty ,


So you have constraints that are dependent on the c actual s specific filler , uh , of some attribute.

Mm - hmm , yeah. W Yeah e exactly. Um , you know this , of course , does not make sense in light of the Statue of Liberty ,

however  it is uh you know sort of  these sort of things are imaginable.


Mm - hmm , yeah. W Yeah e exactly. Um , you know this , of course , does not make sense in light of the Statue of Liberty ,

however  it is uh you know sort of  these sort of things are imaginable.


however  it is uh you know sort of  these sort of things are imaginable.


S So um , like are you gonna have similar schemas for FM


like forced motion and caused action and stuff like you have for SPG ?


like forced motion and caused action and stuff like you have for SPG ?

And if so like can  are you able to enforce that you know if  if it 's  if it 's SPG action then you have that schema , if it 's a forced motion then you have the other schema present in the


like forced motion and caused action and stuff like you have for SPG ?

And if so like can  are you able to enforce that you know if  if it 's  if it 's SPG action then you have that schema , if it 's a forced motion then you have the other schema present in the

Um we have absolute  No. We have absolutely no means of enforcing that , so it would be considered valid if we have an SPG action " Enter " and no SPG schema , but a forced action schema. Could happen.


And if so like can  are you able to enforce that you know if  if it 's  if it 's SPG action then you have that schema , if it 's a forced motion then you have the other schema present in the

Um we have absolute  No. We have absolutely no means of enforcing that , so it would be considered valid if we have an SPG action " Enter " and no SPG schema , but a forced action schema. Could happen.

Whi - which is not bad , because I mean , that there 's multiple sens I mean that particular case , there 's mult there  there 's a forced side of  of that verb as well.


And if so like can  are you able to enforce that you know if  if it 's  if it 's SPG action then you have that schema , if it 's a forced motion then you have the other schema present in the

Um we have absolute  No. We have absolutely no means of enforcing that , so it would be considered valid if we have an SPG action " Enter " and no SPG schema , but a forced action schema. Could happen.

Whi - which is not bad , because I mean , that there 's multiple sens I mean that particular case , there 's mult there  there 's a forced side of  of that verb as well.

Hmm. It  maybe it means we had nothing to say about the Source - Path - Goal.


Um we have absolute  No. We have absolutely no means of enforcing that , so it would be considered valid if we have an SPG action " Enter " and no SPG schema , but a forced action schema. Could happen.

Whi - which is not bad , because I mean , that there 's multiple sens I mean that particular case , there 's mult there  there 's a forced side of  of that verb as well.

Hmm. It  maybe it means we had nothing to say about the Source - Path - Goal.


Whi - which is not bad , because I mean , that there 's multiple sens I mean that particular case , there 's mult there  there 's a forced side of  of that verb as well.

Hmm. It  maybe it means we had nothing to say about the Source - Path - Goal.

What 's also nice , and for a i for me in my mind it 's  it 's crucially necessary , is that we can have multiple schemas and multiple action schemas in parallel.


Hmm. It  maybe it means we had nothing to say about the Source - Path - Goal.

What 's also nice , and for a i for me in my mind it 's  it 's crucially necessary , is that we can have multiple schemas and multiple action schemas in parallel.


What 's also nice , and for a i for me in my mind it 's  it 's crucially necessary , is that we can have multiple schemas and multiple action schemas in parallel.

And um we started thinking about going through our bakery questions , so when I say " is there a bakery here ? " you know I do ultimately want our module to be able to first of all f tell the rest of the system " hey this person actually wants to go there " and " B " ,  that person actually wants to buy something to eat there. Nuh ? And if these are two different schemas , IE the Source - Path - Goal schema of getting there and then the buying snacks schema , nuh ?


And um we started thinking about going through our bakery questions , so when I say " is there a bakery here ? " you know I do ultimately want our module to be able to first of all f tell the rest of the system " hey this person actually wants to go there " and " B " ,  that person actually wants to buy something to eat there. Nuh ? And if these are two different schemas , IE the Source - Path - Goal schema of getting there and then the buying snacks schema , nuh ?


And um we started thinking about going through our bakery questions , so when I say " is there a bakery here ? " you know I do ultimately want our module to be able to first of all f tell the rest of the system " hey this person actually wants to go there " and " B " ,  that person actually wants to buy something to eat there. Nuh ? And if these are two different schemas , IE the Source - Path - Goal schema of getting there and then the buying snacks schema , nuh ?

OK. Under so o under action schema there 's a list that can include both  both things.


OK. Under so o under action schema there 's a list that can include both  both things.


OK. Under so o under action schema there 's a list that can include both  both things.

ye Yeah , they they would  both schemas would appear , so what is the uh is  is there a " buying s snacks " schema ?


ye Yeah , they they would  both schemas would appear , so what is the uh is  is there a " buying s snacks " schema ?


I 'm sure there 's a commercial event schema in there somewhere.


I 'm sure there 's a commercial event schema in there somewhere.

Yeah , a " commercial event " or something.


Yeah , a " commercial event " or something.

Yeah ? So uh   so we would  we would instantiate the SPG schema with a Source - Path - Goal blah - blah - blah


Yeah ? So uh   so we would  we would instantiate the SPG schema with a Source - Path - Goal blah - blah - blah

and the buying event you know at which  however that looks like , the place f thing to buy.


Yeah ? So uh   so we would  we would instantiate the SPG schema with a Source - Path - Goal blah - blah - blah

and the buying event you know at which  however that looks like , the place f thing to buy.

Uh - huh. Uh - huh. Interesting. Would you say that the  like  I mean you could have a flat structure and just say these are two independent things , but there 's also this sort of like causal , well , so one is really facilitating the other and it 's part of a compound action of some kind , which has structure.


and the buying event you know at which  however that looks like , the place f thing to buy.

Uh - huh. Uh - huh. Interesting. Would you say that the  like  I mean you could have a flat structure and just say these are two independent things , but there 's also this sort of like causal , well , so one is really facilitating the other and it 's part of a compound action of some kind , which has structure.

Yeah. Now it 's technically possible that you can fit schema within schema , and schema within schemata


and the buying event you know at which  however that looks like , the place f thing to buy.

Uh - huh. Uh - huh. Interesting. Would you say that the  like  I mean you could have a flat structure and just say these are two independent things , but there 's also this sort of like causal , well , so one is really facilitating the other and it 's part of a compound action of some kind , which has structure.

Yeah. Now it 's technically possible that you can fit schema within schema , and schema within schemata

uh I  I think that 's nicer for a lot of reasons but might be a pain so uh


Uh - huh. Uh - huh. Interesting. Would you say that the  like  I mean you could have a flat structure and just say these are two independent things , but there 's also this sort of like causal , well , so one is really facilitating the other and it 's part of a compound action of some kind , which has structure.

Yeah. Now it 's technically possible that you can fit schema within schema , and schema within schemata

uh I  I think that 's nicer for a lot of reasons but might be a pain so uh

um Well , for me it seems that uh  r Yes.


Yeah. Now it 's technically possible that you can fit schema within schema , and schema within schemata

uh I  I think that 's nicer for a lot of reasons but might be a pain so uh

um Well , for me it seems that uh  r Yes.

I mean there are truly times when you have two totally independent goals that they might express at once , but in this case it 's really like there 's a purpo means that you know f for achieving some other purpose.


uh I  I think that 's nicer for a lot of reasons but might be a pain so uh

um Well , for me it seems that uh  r Yes.

I mean there are truly times when you have two totally independent goals that they might express at once , but in this case it 's really like there 's a purpo means that you know f for achieving some other purpose.

Well , if I 'm  if I 'm recipient of such a message and I get a Source - Path - Goal where the goal is a bakery and then I get a commercial action which takes place in a bakery , right ? and  and  and they  they are obviously , via identifiers , identified to be the same thing here.


um Well , for me it seems that uh  r Yes.

I mean there are truly times when you have two totally independent goals that they might express at once , but in this case it 's really like there 's a purpo means that you know f for achieving some other purpose.

Well , if I 'm  if I 'm recipient of such a message and I get a Source - Path - Goal where the goal is a bakery and then I get a commercial action which takes place in a bakery , right ? and  and  and they  they are obviously , via identifiers , identified to be the same thing here.

Uh - huh. Yeah. See that  that bothers me that they 're the same thing.


I mean there are truly times when you have two totally independent goals that they might express at once , but in this case it 's really like there 's a purpo means that you know f for achieving some other purpose.

Well , if I 'm  if I 'm recipient of such a message and I get a Source - Path - Goal where the goal is a bakery and then I get a commercial action which takes place in a bakery , right ? and  and  and they  they are obviously , via identifiers , identified to be the same thing here.

Uh - huh. Yeah. See that  that bothers me that they 're the same thing.


Well , if I 'm  if I 'm recipient of such a message and I get a Source - Path - Goal where the goal is a bakery and then I get a commercial action which takes place in a bakery , right ? and  and  and they  they are obviously , via identifiers , identified to be the same thing here.

Uh - huh. Yeah. See that  that bothers me that they 're the same thing.

Yeah because they 're two different things one of which is l you could think of one a sub you know pru whatever pre - condition for the second.


Uh - huh. Yeah. See that  that bothers me that they 're the same thing.

Yeah because they 're two different things one of which is l you could think of one a sub you know pru whatever pre - condition for the second.


Yeah because they 're two different things one of which is l you could think of one a sub you know pru whatever pre - condition for the second.

Right. Yeah , yeah. So. So. OK. So there 's like levels of granularity. So uh there 's  there 's um a single event of which they are both a part. And they 're  independently they  they are events which have very different characters as far as Source - Path - Goal whatever.


Right. Yeah , yeah. So. So. OK. So there 's like levels of granularity. So uh there 's  there 's um a single event of which they are both a part. And they 're  independently they  they are events which have very different characters as far as Source - Path - Goal whatever.

So when you identify Source - Path - Goal and whatever , there 's gonna to be a desire , whatever , eating , hunger , whatever other frames you have involved , they have to match up in  in nice ways. So it seems like each of them has its own internal structure and mapping to these schemas


So when you identify Source - Path - Goal and whatever , there 's gonna to be a desire , whatever , eating , hunger , whatever other frames you have involved , they have to match up in  in nice ways. So it seems like each of them has its own internal structure and mapping to these schemas

you know from the other  But you know that 's just  That 's just me.


So when you identify Source - Path - Goal and whatever , there 's gonna to be a desire , whatever , eating , hunger , whatever other frames you have involved , they have to match up in  in nice ways. So it seems like each of them has its own internal structure and mapping to these schemas

you know from the other  But you know that 's just  That 's just me.

Well , I think we 're gonna hit a lot of interesting problems


you know from the other  But you know that 's just  That 's just me.

Well , I think we 're gonna hit a lot of interesting problems


you know from the other  But you know that 's just  That 's just me.

Well , I think we 're gonna hit a lot of interesting problems

and as I prefaced it this is the result of one week of arguing  about it


Well , I think we 're gonna hit a lot of interesting problems

and as I prefaced it this is the result of one week of arguing  about it


and as I prefaced it this is the result of one week of arguing  about it


Yeah I mean I  I still am not entirely sure that I really fully grasp the syntax of this.


Yeah I mean I  I still am not entirely sure that I really fully grasp the syntax of this.

Well it 's not  it 's not actually a very  actually , it doesn't actually


Yeah I mean I  I still am not entirely sure that I really fully grasp the syntax of this.

Well it 's not  it 's not actually a very  actually , it doesn't actually

Um it occur  it occurs to me that I mean ne


Yeah I mean I  I still am not entirely sure that I really fully grasp the syntax of this.

Well it 's not  it 's not actually a very  actually , it doesn't actually

Um it occur  it occurs to me that I mean ne

You know , like what  Right. Or the intended interpretation of this.


Well it 's not  it 's not actually a very  actually , it doesn't actually

Um it occur  it occurs to me that I mean ne

You know , like what  Right. Or the intended interpretation of this.

um well I should have  we should have added an ano an XML example ,


Um it occur  it occurs to me that I mean ne

You know , like what  Right. Or the intended interpretation of this.

um well I should have  we should have added an ano an XML example ,


You know , like what  Right. Or the intended interpretation of this.

um well I should have  we should have added an ano an XML example ,


um well I should have  we should have added an ano an XML example ,


and  and this is on  on a  on  on my list of things until next  next week.


and  and this is on  on a  on  on my list of things until next  next week.

It 's also a question of the recursiveness and  and a hier hierarchy um in there.


It 's also a question of the recursiveness and  and a hier hierarchy um in there.

Do we want the schemas just blump blump blump blump ? I mean it 's  if we can actually you know get it so that we can , out of one utterance , activate more than one schema , I mean , then we 're already pretty good ,


Do we want the schemas just blump blump blump blump ? I mean it 's  if we can actually you know get it so that we can , out of one utterance , activate more than one schema , I mean , then we 're already pretty good ,


Do we want the schemas just blump blump blump blump ? I mean it 's  if we can actually you know get it so that we can , out of one utterance , activate more than one schema , I mean , then we 're already pretty good ,

Well  well you have to be careful with that uh uh thing because uh  I mean many actions presuppose some  um almost  infinitely many other actions. So if you go to a bakery  you have a general intention of uh not being hungry.


Well  well you have to be careful with that uh uh thing because uh  I mean many actions presuppose some  um almost  infinitely many other actions. So if you go to a bakery  you have a general intention of uh not being hungry.


Well  well you have to be careful with that uh uh thing because uh  I mean many actions presuppose some  um almost  infinitely many other actions. So if you go to a bakery  you have a general intention of uh not being hungry.

You have a specific intentions to cross the traffic light to get there.


You have a specific intentions to cross the traffic light to get there.


You have a specific intentions to cross the traffic light to get there.

You have a further specific intentions to left  to lift your right foot


You have a further specific intentions to left  to lift your right foot


You have a further specific intentions to left  to lift your right foot

and so uh uh I mean y you really have to focus on on  on


and so uh uh I mean y you really have to focus on on  on

and decide the level of  of abstraction that  that you aim at it kind of zero in on that ,


and decide the level of  of abstraction that  that you aim at it kind of zero in on that ,


and decide the level of  of abstraction that  that you aim at it kind of zero in on that ,

and more or less ignore the rest , unless there is some implications that  that you want to constant draw from  from sub - tasks um that are relevant uh I mean but very difficult.


and more or less ignore the rest , unless there is some implications that  that you want to constant draw from  from sub - tasks um that are relevant uh I mean but very difficult.

M Th The other thing that I just thought of is that you could want to go to the bakery because you 're supposed to meet your friend there or som


M Th The other thing that I just thought of is that you could want to go to the bakery because you 're supposed to meet your friend there or som

you know so you  like being able to infer the second thing is very useful and probably often right.


you know so you  like being able to infer the second thing is very useful and probably often right.

Well the  the  the utterance was " is there a bakery around here ? " ,


Well the  the  the utterance was " is there a bakery around here ? " ,

Well maybe their friend said they were going to meet them in a bakery around the area.


Well maybe their friend said they were going to meet them in a bakery around the area.


Well maybe their friend said they were going to meet them in a bakery around the area.

And I 'm , yeah  I 'm  I 'm inventing contexts which are maybe unlikely ,


And I 'm , yeah  I 'm  I 'm inventing contexts which are maybe unlikely ,


And I 'm , yeah  I 'm  I 'm inventing contexts which are maybe unlikely ,

but yeah I mean like  but it 's still the case that um you could  you could override that default by giving extra information


but yeah I mean like  but it 's still the case that um you could  you could override that default by giving extra information


but yeah I mean like  but it 's still the case that um you could  you could override that default by giving extra information

which is to me a reason why you would keep the inference of that separate from the knowledge of " OK they really want to know if there 's a bakery around here " ,


which is to me a reason why you would keep the inference of that separate from the knowledge of " OK they really want to know if there 's a bakery around here " ,


which is to me a reason why you would keep the inference of that separate from the knowledge of " OK they really want to know if there 's a bakery around here " ,

Well there  there  there should never be a hard coded uh  shortcut from  the bakery question to the uh double schema thing ,


Well there  there  there should never be a hard coded uh  shortcut from  the bakery question to the uh double schema thing ,


Well there  there  there should never be a hard coded uh  shortcut from  the bakery question to the uh double schema thing ,

how uh  And , as a matter of fact , when I have traveled with my friends we make these  exactly these kinds of appointments.


how uh  And , as a matter of fact , when I have traveled with my friends we make these  exactly these kinds of appointments.


Yeah. Exactly. It 's  I met someone at the bakery you know in the Victoria Station t you know  train station London before ,


Yeah. Exactly. It 's  I met someone at the bakery you know in the Victoria Station t you know  train station London before ,

Well. I have a question about the slot of the SPG action.


Well. I have a question about the slot of the SPG action.


Well. I have a question about the slot of the SPG action.

So  the Enter - View - Approach the  the  the EVA um , those are fixed slots in this particular action. Every action of this kind will have a choice. Or  or  or  or will it just um uh  is it change


Well. I have a question about the slot of the SPG action.

So  the Enter - View - Approach the  the  the EVA um , those are fixed slots in this particular action. Every action of this kind will have a choice. Or  or  or  or will it just um uh  is it change

Every SPG  every SPG action either is an Enter or a View or an Approach ,


So  the Enter - View - Approach the  the  the EVA um , those are fixed slots in this particular action. Every action of this kind will have a choice. Or  or  or  or will it just um uh  is it change

Every SPG  every SPG action either is an Enter or a View or an Approach ,


Every SPG  every SPG action either is an Enter or a View or an Approach ,


So  so I  I mean for  for each particular action that you may want to characterize you would have some number of slots that define uh uh uh you know in some way what this action is all about.


So  so I  I mean for  for each particular action that you may want to characterize you would have some number of slots that define uh uh uh you know in some way what this action is all about.

It can be either A , B or C. Um. So is it a fixed number or  or do you leave it open  it could be between one and fifteen uh  it 's  it 's  it 's flexible.


So  so I  I mean for  for each particular action that you may want to characterize you would have some number of slots that define uh uh uh you know in some way what this action is all about.

It can be either A , B or C. Um. So is it a fixed number or  or do you leave it open  it could be between one and fifteen uh  it 's  it 's  it 's flexible.

Um , the uh  Well , it sort of depends on  on if you actually write down the  the schema then you have to say it 's either one of them or it can be none , or it can be any of them. However the uh  it seems to be sensible to me to r to view them as mutually exclusive um maybe even not.


It can be either A , B or C. Um. So is it a fixed number or  or do you leave it open  it could be between one and fifteen uh  it 's  it 's  it 's flexible.

Um , the uh  Well , it sort of depends on  on if you actually write down the  the schema then you have to say it 's either one of them or it can be none , or it can be any of them. However the uh  it seems to be sensible to me to r to view them as mutually exclusive um maybe even not.

J Do you mean within the Source - Path - Goal actions ?


Um , the uh  Well , it sort of depends on  on if you actually write down the  the schema then you have to say it 's either one of them or it can be none , or it can be any of them. However the uh  it seems to be sensible to me to r to view them as mutually exclusive um maybe even not.

J Do you mean within the Source - Path - Goal actions ?


J Do you mean within the Source - Path - Goal actions ?


And um how  how where is the end ? So that 's


And um how  how where is the end ? So that 's

No , no. There  a a actually by I think my question is simpler than that , um  is  OK , so you have an SPG action and  and it has three different um uh aspects um because you can either enter a building or view it or  or approach it and touch it or something. Um now you define uh another action , it 's  it 's called um uh s S P G - one


And um how  how where is the end ? So that 's

No , no. There  a a actually by I think my question is simpler than that , um  is  OK , so you have an SPG action and  and it has three different um uh aspects um because you can either enter a building or view it or  or approach it and touch it or something. Um now you define uh another action , it 's  it 's called um uh s S P G - one

action  a different action. Um and this  uh action - two would have various variable possibilities of interpreting what you would like to do. And  i in  in a way similar to either Enter - View - Approach you may want to send a letter , read a letter , or dictate a letter , let 's say. So , h


No , no. There  a a actually by I think my question is simpler than that , um  is  OK , so you have an SPG action and  and it has three different um uh aspects um because you can either enter a building or view it or  or approach it and touch it or something. Um now you define uh another action , it 's  it 's called um uh s S P G - one

action  a different action. Um and this  uh action - two would have various variable possibilities of interpreting what you would like to do. And  i in  in a way similar to either Enter - View - Approach you may want to send a letter , read a letter , or dictate a letter , let 's say. So , h

Oh the  OK uh maybe I 'd  The uh  These actions  I don't know if I 'm gonna answer your question or not with this , but the categories inside of action schemas , so , SPG action is a category. Real although I think what we 're specifying here is this is a category where the actions " enter , view and approach " would fall into because they have a related Source - Path - Goal schema in our tourist domain. Cuz viewing in a tourist domain is going up to it and  or actually going from one place to another to take a picture , in this  in a


action  a different action. Um and this  uh action - two would have various variable possibilities of interpreting what you would like to do. And  i in  in a way similar to either Enter - View - Approach you may want to send a letter , read a letter , or dictate a letter , let 's say. So , h

Oh the  OK uh maybe I 'd  The uh  These actions  I don't know if I 'm gonna answer your question or not with this , but the categories inside of action schemas , so , SPG action is a category. Real although I think what we 're specifying here is this is a category where the actions " enter , view and approach " would fall into because they have a related Source - Path - Goal schema in our tourist domain. Cuz viewing in a tourist domain is going up to it and  or actually going from one place to another to take a picture , in this  in a

Right. Oh , s so it 's sort of automatic derived fr from the structure that  that is built elsewhere.


Oh the  OK uh maybe I 'd  The uh  These actions  I don't know if I 'm gonna answer your question or not with this , but the categories inside of action schemas , so , SPG action is a category. Real although I think what we 're specifying here is this is a category where the actions " enter , view and approach " would fall into because they have a related Source - Path - Goal schema in our tourist domain. Cuz viewing in a tourist domain is going up to it and  or actually going from one place to another to take a picture , in this  in a

Right. Oh , s so it 's sort of automatic derived fr from the structure that  that is built elsewhere.

This is a cate this a category structure here ,


Right. Oh , s so it 's sort of automatic derived fr from the structure that  that is built elsewhere.

This is a cate this a category structure here ,


This is a cate this a category structure here ,

right ? Action schema. What are some types of action schemas ? Well one of the types of action schemas is Source - Path - Goal action. And what are some types of that ? And an Enter , a View , an Approach.


right ? Action schema. What are some types of action schemas ? Well one of the types of action schemas is Source - Path - Goal action. And what are some types of that ? And an Enter , a View , an Approach.


right ? Action schema. What are some types of action schemas ? Well one of the types of action schemas is Source - Path - Goal action. And what are some types of that ? And an Enter , a View , an Approach.

Those are all Source - Path - Goal actions.


Those are all Source - Path - Goal actions.

Inside of Enter there will be roles that can be filled basically. So if I want to go from outside to inside  then you 'd have the roles that need to filled , where you 'd have a Source - Path - Goal set of roles. So you 'd the Source would be outside and Path is to the door or whatever , right ?


Those are all Source - Path - Goal actions.

Inside of Enter there will be roles that can be filled basically. So if I want to go from outside to inside  then you 'd have the roles that need to filled , where you 'd have a Source - Path - Goal set of roles. So you 'd the Source would be outside and Path is to the door or whatever , right ?

So if you wanted to have a new type of action you 'd create a new type of category. Then this category would  we would put it  or not necessarily  We would put a new action in the m uh in the categories that  in which it has the um  Well , every action has a set of related schemas like Source - Path - Goal or force , whatever , right ?


Inside of Enter there will be roles that can be filled basically. So if I want to go from outside to inside  then you 'd have the roles that need to filled , where you 'd have a Source - Path - Goal set of roles. So you 'd the Source would be outside and Path is to the door or whatever , right ?

So if you wanted to have a new type of action you 'd create a new type of category. Then this category would  we would put it  or not necessarily  We would put a new action in the m uh in the categories that  in which it has the um  Well , every action has a set of related schemas like Source - Path - Goal or force , whatever , right ?


So if you wanted to have a new type of action you 'd create a new type of category. Then this category would  we would put it  or not necessarily  We would put a new action in the m uh in the categories that  in which it has the um  Well , every action has a set of related schemas like Source - Path - Goal or force , whatever , right ?


So if you wanted to have a new type of action you 'd create a new type of category. Then this category would  we would put it  or not necessarily  We would put a new action in the m uh in the categories that  in which it has the um  Well , every action has a set of related schemas like Source - Path - Goal or force , whatever , right ?

So we would put " write a letter " in the categories uh that  in which it had  it w had uh schemas u


So we would put " write a letter " in the categories uh that  in which it had  it w had uh schemas u

There could be a communication event action or something like that


There could be a communication event action or something like that


And then later , you know , there  the  we have a communication event action where we 'd define it down there as


And then later , you know , there  the  we have a communication event action where we 'd define it down there as

Hmm. So there 's a bit a redundancy , right ? in  in which the things that go into a particular  You have categories at the top under action schema and the things that go under a particular category are um supposed to have a corresponding schema definition for that type. So I guess what 's the function of having it up there too ? I mean I guess I 'm wondering whether  You could just have under action schema you could just sort of say whatever you know it 's gonna be Enter , View or Approach or whatever number of things


And then later , you know , there  the  we have a communication event action where we 'd define it down there as

Hmm. So there 's a bit a redundancy , right ? in  in which the things that go into a particular  You have categories at the top under action schema and the things that go under a particular category are um supposed to have a corresponding schema definition for that type. So I guess what 's the function of having it up there too ? I mean I guess I 'm wondering whether  You could just have under action schema you could just sort of say whatever you know it 's gonna be Enter , View or Approach or whatever number of things

and pos partly because you need to know somewhere that those things fall into some categories. And it may be multiple categories as you say which is um the reason why it gets a little messy


Hmm. So there 's a bit a redundancy , right ? in  in which the things that go into a particular  You have categories at the top under action schema and the things that go under a particular category are um supposed to have a corresponding schema definition for that type. So I guess what 's the function of having it up there too ? I mean I guess I 'm wondering whether  You could just have under action schema you could just sort of say whatever you know it 's gonna be Enter , View or Approach or whatever number of things

and pos partly because you need to know somewhere that those things fall into some categories. And it may be multiple categories as you say which is um the reason why it gets a little messy


and pos partly because you need to know somewhere that those things fall into some categories. And it may be multiple categories as you say which is um the reason why it gets a little messy

um but if it has  if it 's supposed to be categorized in category X then the corresponding schema X will be among the structures that  that follow.


and pos partly because you need to know somewhere that those things fall into some categories. And it may be multiple categories as you say which is um the reason why it gets a little messy

um but if it has  if it 's supposed to be categorized in category X then the corresponding schema X will be among the structures that  that follow.

Right. Well , this is one of things we were arguing about.


um but if it has  if it 's supposed to be categorized in category X then the corresponding schema X will be among the structures that  that follow.

Right. Well , this is one of things we were arguing about.


Right. Well , this is one of things we were arguing about.


this is  this is more  this is probably the way that th that 's the way that seemed more intuitive to Johno I guess


this is  this is more  this is probably the way that th that 's the way that seemed more intuitive to Johno I guess

Uh - huh. But now you guys have seen the light.


Uh - huh. But now you guys have seen the light.

No , no , no. Uh we have not  we have not seen the light.


No , no , no. Uh we have not  we have not seen the light.

The  the reason  One reason we 're doing it this way is in case there 's extra structure that 's in the Enter action that 's not captured by the schemas ,


The  the reason  One reason we 're doing it this way is in case there 's extra structure that 's in the Enter action that 's not captured by the schemas ,

I it 's easy to go back and forth isn't it ? Uh - huh. I agree. Right. Right.


The  the reason  One reason we 're doing it this way is in case there 's extra structure that 's in the Enter action that 's not captured by the schemas ,

I it 's easy to go back and forth isn't it ? Uh - huh. I agree. Right. Right.

Which is why I would think you would say Enter and then just say all the things that are relevant specifically to Enter. And then the things that are abstract will be in the abstract things as well. And that 's why the bindings become useful.


I it 's easy to go back and forth isn't it ? Uh - huh. I agree. Right. Right.

Which is why I would think you would say Enter and then just say all the things that are relevant specifically to Enter. And then the things that are abstract will be in the abstract things as well. And that 's why the bindings become useful.


Which is why I would think you would say Enter and then just say all the things that are relevant specifically to Enter. And then the things that are abstract will be in the abstract things as well. And that 's why the bindings become useful.

Ri - You 'd like  so you 're saying you could practically turn this structure inside out ? or something , or  ?


Ri - You 'd like  so you 're saying you could practically turn this structure inside out ? or something , or  ?


Ri - You 'd like  so you 're saying you could practically turn this structure inside out ? or something , or  ?

but I  I don't if I would  I would need to have t have that.


but I  I don't if I would  I would need to have t have that.

Get  get rid of the sort of SPG slash something uh or the sub - actions category ,


Get  get rid of the sort of SPG slash something uh or the sub - actions category ,


Um and I agree that you know this is something we need to discuss ,


Um and I agree that you know this is something we need to discuss ,

I in fact what you could say is for Enter ,


Um and I agree that you know this is something we need to discuss ,

I in fact what you could say is for Enter ,

you could say " here , list all the kinds of schemas that  on the category that


I in fact what you could say is for Enter ,

you could say " here , list all the kinds of schemas that  on the category that


you could say " here , list all the kinds of schemas that  on the category that

you know i list all the parent categories ". It 's just like a frame hierarchy ,


you know i list all the parent categories ". It 's just like a frame hierarchy ,


like you have these blended frames. So you would say enter and you 'd say my parent frames are such - and - such , h and then those are the ones that actually you then actually define and say how the roles bind to your specific roles which will probably be f richer and fuller and have other stuff in there.


like you have these blended frames. So you would say enter and you 'd say my parent frames are such - and - such , h and then those are the ones that actually you then actually define and say how the roles bind to your specific roles which will probably be f richer and fuller and have other stuff in there.

Yeah. This sounds like a paper I 've read around here recently in terms of


like you have these blended frames. So you would say enter and you 'd say my parent frames are such - and - such , h and then those are the ones that actually you then actually define and say how the roles bind to your specific roles which will probably be f richer and fuller and have other stuff in there.

Yeah. This sounds like a paper I 've read around here recently in terms of

Yeah it could  be not a coincidence. Like I said , I 'm sure I 'm just hitting everything with a hammer that I developed ,


Yeah. This sounds like a paper I 've read around here recently in terms of

Yeah it could  be not a coincidence. Like I said , I 'm sure I 'm just hitting everything with a hammer that I developed ,

but I mean you know uh it 's  I 'm just telling you what I think , you just hit the button and it 's like


Yeah it could  be not a coincidence. Like I said , I 'm sure I 'm just hitting everything with a hammer that I developed ,

but I mean you know uh it 's  I 'm just telling you what I think , you just hit the button and it 's like


but I mean you know uh it 's  I 'm just telling you what I think , you just hit the button and it 's like

Yeah I mean but there 's a good question here. Like , I mean uh do you  When do you need  Damn this headset ! When you this uh , eh


Yeah I mean but there 's a good question here. Like , I mean uh do you  When do you need  Damn this headset ! When you this uh , eh

Yeah.  That 's all recorded. Um. Why do you


Yeah.  That 's all recorded. Um. Why do you

I don't know. Like  How do I  how do I come at this question ? Um. I just don't see why you would  I mean does th Who uses this uh  this data structure ? You know ? Like , do you say " alright I 'm going to uh   do an SPG action ". And then you know somebody ne either the computer or the user says " alright , well , I know I want to do a Source - Path - Goal action so what are my choices among that ? " And " oh , OK , so I can do an Enter - View - Approach ". It 's not like that , right ? It 's more like you say " I want to , uh   I want to do an Enter. "


I don't know. Like  How do I  how do I come at this question ? Um. I just don't see why you would  I mean does th Who uses this uh  this data structure ? You know ? Like , do you say " alright I 'm going to uh   do an SPG action ". And then you know somebody ne either the computer or the user says " alright , well , I know I want to do a Source - Path - Goal action so what are my choices among that ? " And " oh , OK , so I can do an Enter - View - Approach ". It 's not like that , right ? It 's more like you say " I want to , uh   I want to do an Enter. "

And then you 're more interested in knowing what the parent categories are of that. Right ? So that the um  the uh sort of representation that you were just talking about seems more relevant to the kinds of things you would have to do ?


And then you 're more interested in knowing what the parent categories are of that. Right ? So that the um  the uh sort of representation that you were just talking about seems more relevant to the kinds of things you would have to do ?


And then you 're more interested in knowing what the parent categories are of that. Right ? So that the um  the uh sort of representation that you were just talking about seems more relevant to the kinds of things you would have to do ?

I think I 'd  I 'm not sure if I understand your question. Only one of those things are gonna be lit up when we pass this on. So only Enter will be


I think I 'd  I 'm not sure if I understand your question. Only one of those things are gonna be lit up when we pass this on. So only Enter will be


I think I 'd  I 'm not sure if I understand your question. Only one of those things are gonna be lit up when we pass this on. So only Enter will be

if we  if our  if our module decided that Enter is the case , View and Approach will not be there.


if we  if our  if our module decided that Enter is the case , View and Approach will not be there.

Well  uh it 's  it sort of came into my mind that sometimes even two could be on , and would be interesting.


Well  uh it 's  it sort of came into my mind that sometimes even two could be on , and would be interesting.


Well  uh it 's  it sort of came into my mind that sometimes even two could be on , and would be interesting.

Mayb - Well maybe I 'm not understanding where this comes from and where this goes to.


Mayb - Well maybe I 'm not understanding where this comes from and where this goes to.

Well in that case , we can't  we can't w if  if


Well in that case , we can't  we can't w if  if

well the thing is if that 's the case we  our  I don't think our system can handle that currently.


well the thing is if that 's the case we  our  I don't think our system can handle that currently.


the  I think the  in some sense we  we ex get the task done extremely well


the  I think the  in some sense we  we ex get the task done extremely well

because this is exactly the discussion we need  need.


because this is exactly the discussion we need  need.

Period. No more qualifiers than that. So.


Period. No more qualifiers than that. So.


um uh let 's make a  a  a  a sharper claim. We will not end this discussion anytime soon.


um uh let 's make a  a  a  a sharper claim. We will not end this discussion anytime soon.

And it 's gonna get more and more complex the  the l complexer and larger our domains get.


And it 's gonna get more and more complex the  the l complexer and larger our domains get.

And I think um we will have all of our points in writing pretty soon. So this is nice about being being recorded also. The um


And I think um we will have all of our points in writing pretty soon. So this is nice about being being recorded also. The um


And I think um we will have all of our points in writing pretty soon. So this is nice about being being recorded also. The um

The r uh the  in terms of why is  it 's laid out like this versus some other


The r uh the  in terms of why is  it 's laid out like this versus some other


The r uh the  in terms of why is  it 's laid out like this versus some other

um that 's kind of a contentious point between the two of us but  this is one wa so this is a way to link uh the way these roles are filled out to the action.


um that 's kind of a contentious point between the two of us but  this is one wa so this is a way to link uh the way these roles are filled out to the action.


um that 's kind of a contentious point between the two of us but  this is one wa so this is a way to link uh the way these roles are filled out to the action.

Because if we know that Enter is a t is an SPG action ,


Because if we know that Enter is a t is an SPG action ,


we know to look for an SPG schema and put the appropriate  fill in the appropriate roles later on.


we know to look for an SPG schema and put the appropriate  fill in the appropriate roles later on.

And you could have also indicated that by saying " Enter , what are the kinds of action I am ? "


And you could have also indicated that by saying " Enter , what are the kinds of action I am ? "


Right ? So there 's just like sort of reverse organization , right ? So like unless @ @  Are there reasons why one is better than the other I mean that come from other sources ?


This is  this is a schema that defines XML messages that are passed from one module to another ,


This is  this is a schema that defines XML messages that are passed from one module to another ,

mainly meaning from the natural language understanding , or from the deep language understanding to the action planner.


mainly meaning from the natural language understanding , or from the deep language understanding to the action planner.

Now the  the reason for  for not using this approach is because you always will have to go back , each module will try  have to go back to look up which uh you know entity can have which uh , you know , entity can have which parents , and then  So you always need the whole body of  of y your model um to figure out what belongs to what. Or you always send it along with it ,


Now the  the reason for  for not using this approach is because you always will have to go back , each module will try  have to go back to look up which uh you know entity can have which uh , you know , entity can have which parents , and then  So you always need the whole body of  of y your model um to figure out what belongs to what. Or you always send it along with it ,

nuh ? So you always send up " here I am  I am this person , and I can have these parents " in every message.


nuh ? So you always send up " here I am  I am this person , and I can have these parents " in every message.


nuh ? So you always send up " here I am  I am this person , and I can have these parents " in every message.

OK , so it 's just like a pain to have to send it.


OK , so it 's just like a pain to have to send it.

It may or may not be a just a pain it 's  it 's  I 'm completely willing to  to  to throw all of this away


It may or may not be a just a pain it 's  it 's  I 'm completely willing to  to  to throw all of this away


you know and  and  and it after some iterations we may just do that.


you know and  and  and it after some iterations we may just do that.

I  I would just like to ask um like , if it could happen for next time , I mean , just beca cuz I 'm new


I  I would just like to ask um like , if it could happen for next time , I mean , just beca cuz I 'm new

and I don't really just  I just don't know what to make of this and what this is for , and stuff like that , you know , so if someone could make an example of what would actually be in it ,


and I don't really just  I just don't know what to make of this and what this is for , and stuff like that , you know , so if someone could make an example of what would actually be in it ,

like first of all what modules are talking to each other using this ,


and I don't really just  I just don't know what to make of this and what this is for , and stuff like that , you know , so if someone could make an example of what would actually be in it ,

like first of all what modules are talking to each other using this ,

Yeah , we  I will promise for the next time to have fleshed out N  XML examples for a  a run through and  and see how this  this then translates ,


like first of all what modules are talking to each other using this ,

Yeah , we  I will promise for the next time to have fleshed out N  XML examples for a  a run through and  and see how this  this then translates ,


Yeah , we  I will promise for the next time to have fleshed out N  XML examples for a  a run through and  and see how this  this then translates ,


nuh ? including the sort of " miracle occurs here " um part.


nuh ? including the sort of " miracle occurs here " um part.

And um is there more to be said ? I think um  In principle what I  I think that this approach does , and e e whether or not we take the Enter - View and we all throw up  up the ladder um wha how do how does Professor Peter call that ?


And um is there more to be said ? I think um  In principle what I  I think that this approach does , and e e whether or not we take the Enter - View and we all throw up  up the ladder um wha how do how does Professor Peter call that ?

The uh hhh ,  silence su sublimination ? Throwing somebody up the stairs ? Have you never read the Peter 's Principle anyone here ?


The uh hhh ,  silence su sublimination ? Throwing somebody up the stairs ? Have you never read the Peter 's Principle anyone here ?


The uh hhh ,  silence su sublimination ? Throwing somebody up the stairs ? Have you never read the Peter 's Principle anyone here ?

People reach their level of uh max their level of  at which they 're incompetent or whatever.


People reach their level of uh max their level of  at which they 're incompetent or whatever.


and then you can throw them up the stairs


OK , so we can promote Enter - View all  all up a bit and and get rid of the uh blah - blah - X - blah uh asterisk sub - action item altogether. No  no problem with that


OK , so we can promote Enter - View all  all up a bit and and get rid of the uh blah - blah - X - blah uh asterisk sub - action item altogether. No  no problem with that

and we  w we  we will play around with all of them but the principal distinction between having the  the pure schema and their instantiations on the one hand , and adding some whatever , more intention oriented specification um on parallel to that  that  this approach seems to be uh workable to me. I don't know. If you all share that opinion then that made my day much happier.


OK , so we can promote Enter - View all  all up a bit and and get rid of the uh blah - blah - X - blah uh asterisk sub - action item altogether. No  no problem with that

and we  w we  we will play around with all of them but the principal distinction between having the  the pure schema and their instantiations on the one hand , and adding some whatever , more intention oriented specification um on parallel to that  that  this approach seems to be uh workable to me. I don't know. If you all share that opinion then that made my day much happier.

This is a simple way to basically link uh roles to actions.


and we  w we  we will play around with all of them but the principal distinction between having the  the pure schema and their instantiations on the one hand , and adding some whatever , more intention oriented specification um on parallel to that  that  this approach seems to be uh workable to me. I don't know. If you all share that opinion then that made my day much happier.

This is a simple way to basically link uh roles to actions.

Uh yeah wait  R Yeah , yeah. That 's fine.


and we  w we  we will play around with all of them but the principal distinction between having the  the pure schema and their instantiations on the one hand , and adding some whatever , more intention oriented specification um on parallel to that  that  this approach seems to be uh workable to me. I don't know. If you all share that opinion then that made my day much happier.

This is a simple way to basically link uh roles to actions.

Uh yeah wait  R Yeah , yeah. That 's fine.

That 's the  that was the intent of  of it , basically.


This is a simple way to basically link uh roles to actions.

Uh yeah wait  R Yeah , yeah. That 's fine.

That 's the  that was the intent of  of it , basically.


Uh yeah wait  R Yeah , yeah. That 's fine.

That 's the  that was the intent of  of it , basically.


That 's the  that was the intent of  of it , basically.


I 'm  I 'm never happy when he uses the word " roles " ,


Yeah , pastries is what I 'm talking about.


Yeah , pastries is what I 'm talking about.

This is the bakery example. Got it. Alright.


This is the bakery example. Got it. Alright.


OK. That 's all I have for today. Oh no , there 's one more issue. Bhaskara brought that one up. Meeting time rescheduling.


OK. That 's all I have for today. Oh no , there 's one more issue. Bhaskara brought that one up. Meeting time rescheduling.

I n Didn't you say something about Friday ,


I n Didn't you say something about Friday ,

So it looks like you have not been partaking , the Monday at three o ' clock time has turned out to be not good anymore. So people have been thinking about an alternative time and the one we came up with is Friday two - thirty ? three ? What was it ?


So it looks like you have not been partaking , the Monday at three o ' clock time has turned out to be not good anymore. So people have been thinking about an alternative time and the one we came up with is Friday two - thirty ? three ? What was it ?

You have class until two , right ? so if we don't want him  if we don't want him to run over here


So it looks like you have not been partaking , the Monday at three o ' clock time has turned out to be not good anymore. So people have been thinking about an alternative time and the one we came up with is Friday two - thirty ? three ? What was it ?

You have class until two , right ? so if we don't want him  if we don't want him to run over here

Two - th Two - thirty - ish or three or Friday at three or something around that time.


You have class until two , right ? so if we don't want him  if we don't want him to run over here

Two - th Two - thirty - ish or three or Friday at three or something around that time.


Two - th Two - thirty - ish or three or Friday at three or something around that time.


And I know that you have until three  You 're busy ?


I could do that. Yeah I mean earlier on Friday is better but three  you know I mean  if it were a three or a three thirty time then I would take the three or whatever ,


I could do that. Yeah I mean earlier on Friday is better but three  you know I mean  if it were a three or a three thirty time then I would take the three or whatever ,

Yeah , and you can always make it shortly after three probably.


Yeah , and you can always make it shortly after three probably.


Yeah , and you can always make it shortly after three probably.

Yeah , and I don't need to be here particularly deeply.


Yeah , and I don't need to be here particularly deeply.


You are more than welcome if you think that this kind of discussion gets you anywhere in  in your life then uh you 're free to c


You are more than welcome if you think that this kind of discussion gets you anywhere in  in your life then uh you 're free to c

I 'm just glad that I don't have to work it out


I 'm just glad that I don't have to work it out


I 'm just glad that don't have to work it out myself , that I 'm not involved at all in the working out of it because.


Oh yeah. That 's why I 'm glad that I 'm not involved in working it out.


Oh yeah. That 's why I 'm glad that I 'm not involved in working it out.

So it 's at Friday at three ? there that 's


So it 's at Friday at three ? there that 's


Yeah. Do feel that we have done our chores for this week or


Yeah. Do feel that we have done our chores for this week or

Yeah. So I mean clearly there 's  I can talk about the um the parser changes on Friday at least ,


Yeah. Do feel that we have done our chores for this week or

Yeah. So I mean clearly there 's  I can talk about the um the parser changes on Friday at least ,

OK , Bhaskara will do the big show on Friday.


Yeah. So I mean clearly there 's  I can talk about the um the parser changes on Friday at least ,

OK , Bhaskara will do the big show on Friday.


OK , Bhaskara will do the big show on Friday.


And we 'll get the summary like , this  the c you know , short version , like


And we 'll get the summary like , this  the c you know , short version , like

An - and I would like to second Keith 's request.


And we 'll get the summary like , this  the c you know , short version , like

An - and I would like to second Keith 's request.

An example wo would be nice t to have kind of a detailed example.


An - and I would like to second Keith 's request.

An example wo would be nice t to have kind of a detailed example.


An example wo would be nice t to have kind of a detailed example.

Yes. I 've  I 've  I 've  I guess I 'm on record for promising that now.


Yes. I 've  I 've  I 've  I guess I 'm on record for promising that now.


Yes. I 've  I 've  I 've  I guess I 'm on record for promising that now.

Like have it  we 'll have it in writing. So. or , better , speech. So.


Like have it  we 'll have it in writing. So. or , better , speech. So.


Like have it  we 'll have it in writing. So. or , better , speech. So.

The other good thing about it is Jerry can be on here on Friday and he can weigh in as well.


Like have it  we 'll have it in writing. So. or , better , speech. So.

The other good thing about it is Jerry can be on here on Friday and he can weigh in as well.

Yeah. and um if you can get that binding point also maybe with a nice example that would be helpful for Johno and me.


The other good thing about it is Jerry can be on here on Friday and he can weigh in as well.

Yeah. and um if you can get that binding point also maybe with a nice example that would be helpful for Johno and me.


Yeah. and um if you can get that binding point also maybe with a nice example that would be helpful for Johno and me.


I have several in my head , yeah. Always thinking about binding.


I have several in my head , yeah. Always thinking about binding.

Well the  the  the binding is technically no problem but it 's  it  for me it seems to be conceptually important that we find out if we can s if  if there  if there are things in there that are sort of a general nature , we should distill them out and put them where the schemas are.


I have several in my head , yeah. Always thinking about binding.

Well the  the  the binding is technically no problem but it 's  it  for me it seems to be conceptually important that we find out if we can s if  if there  if there are things in there that are sort of a general nature , we should distill them out and put them where the schemas are.

If there are things that you know are intention - specific , then we should put them up somewhere , a


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So , in general they 'll be bindings across both intentions and the actions.


If there are things that you know are intention - specific , then we should put them up somewhere , a

So , in general they 'll be bindings across both intentions and the actions.


If there are things that you know are intention - specific , then we should put them up somewhere , a

So , in general they 'll be bindings across both intentions and the actions.

So  Yeah. So it 's gen it 's general across all of these things


So , in general they 'll be bindings across both intentions and the actions.

So  Yeah. So it 's gen it 's general across all of these things


So  Yeah. So it 's gen it 's general across all of these things

it 's like  I mean Shastri would say you know binding is like  an essential cognitive uh process. So.  Um.


it 's like  I mean Shastri would say you know binding is like  an essential cognitive uh process. So.  Um.

So I don't think it will be isolated to one or the two , but you can definitely figure out where  Yeah , sometimes things belong and  So actually I 'm not sure  I would be curious to see how separate the intention part and the action part are in the system. Like I know the whole thing is like intention lattice , or something like that ,


So I don't think it will be isolated to one or the two , but you can definitely figure out where  Yeah , sometimes things belong and  So actually I 'm not sure  I would be curious to see how separate the intention part and the action part are in the system. Like I know the whole thing is like intention lattice , or something like that ,

right ? So is the ri right now are the ideas the rich  rich the RAD or whatever is one you know potential block inside intention. It 's still  it 's still mainly intention hypothesis


right ? So is the ri right now are the ideas the rich  rich the RAD or whatever is one you know potential block inside intention. It 's still  it 's still mainly intention hypothesis

and then that 's just one way to describe the  the action part of it.


and then that 's just one way to describe the  the action part of it.


and then that 's just one way to describe the  the action part of it.

It 's an a attempt to refine it basically.


It 's an a attempt to refine it basically.


Not just that you want to go from here to here , it 's that the action is what you intend


Not just that you want to go from here to here , it 's that the action is what you intend

and this action consists of all com complicated modules and image schemas and whatever.


Not just that you want to go from here to here , it 's that the action is what you intend

and this action consists of all com complicated modules and image schemas and whatever.

Yeah. And  and there will be a  a  a relatively high level of redundancy


and this action consists of all com complicated modules and image schemas and whatever.

Yeah. And  and there will be a  a  a relatively high level of redundancy


Yeah. And  and there will be a  a  a relatively high level of redundancy


so th so that if we want to get really cocky we we will say " well if you really look at it , you just need our RAD. " You can throw the rest away , right ?


so th so that if we want to get really cocky we we will say " well if you really look at it , you just need our RAD. " You can throw the rest away , right ?

Because you 're not gonna get anymore information out of the action a as you find it there in the domain object.


Because you 're not gonna get anymore information out of the action a as you find it there in the domain object.

But then again um in this case , the domain object may contain information that we don't really care about either. So.


But then again um in this case , the domain object may contain information that we don't really care about either. So.

H But w we 'll see that then , and how  how it sort of evolves.


H But w we 'll see that then , and how  how it sort of evolves.

I mean if  if people really like our  our RAD , I mean w what might happen is that they will get rid of that action thing completely , you know , and leave it up for us to get the parser input um


H But w we 'll see that then , and how  how it sort of evolves.

I mean if  if people really like our  our RAD , I mean w what might happen is that they will get rid of that action thing completely , you know , and leave it up for us to get the parser input um

Mmm. We know the things that make use of this thing so that we can just change them so that they make use of RAD.


I mean if  if people really like our  our RAD , I mean w what might happen is that they will get rid of that action thing completely , you know , and leave it up for us to get the parser input um

Mmm. We know the things that make use of this thing so that we can just change them so that they make use of RAD.


Mmm. We know the things that make use of this thing so that we can just change them so that they make use of RAD.

I can't believe we 're using this term. So I 'm like RAD ! Like every time I say it , it 's horrible. OK.


I can't believe we 're using this term. So I 'm like RAD ! Like every time I say it , it 's horrible. OK.


Yeah. That 's  doesn't make it a great term. It 's just like those jokes where you have to work on both levels.


Yeah. That 's  doesn't make it a great term. It 's just like those jokes where you have to work on both levels.

Just think of it as  as " wheel " in German.


Yeah. That 's  doesn't make it a great term. It 's just like those jokes where you have to work on both levels.

Just think of it as  as " wheel " in German.

but if you  if you  if you work in th in that XML community it is a great acronym


Just think of it as  as " wheel " in German.

but if you  if you  if you work in th in that XML community it is a great acronym


but if you  if you  if you work in th in that XML community it is a great acronym


RDF is the biggest thing right ? That 's the rich  sort of " Resource Description Framework "


RDF is the biggest thing right ? That 's the rich  sort of " Resource Description Framework "

and um  and also  So , description , having the word d term " description " in there is wonderful ,


and um  and also  So , description , having the word d term " description " in there is wonderful ,


And intentions will be " RID " ? Like , " OK ". Um are the  are the sample data that you guys showed sometime ago  like the things  maybe  maybe you 're gonna run a trial tomorrow. I mean , I 'm just wondering whether the ac some the actual sentences from this domain will be available. Cuz it 'd be nice for me to like look if I 'm thinking about examples I 'm mostly looking at child language which you know will have some overlap but not total with the kinds of things that you guys are getting. So you showed some in this  here before


And intentions will be " RID " ? Like , " OK ". Um are the  are the sample data that you guys showed sometime ago  like the things  maybe  maybe you 're gonna run a trial tomorrow. I mean , I 'm just wondering whether the ac some the actual sentences from this domain will be available. Cuz it 'd be nice for me to like look if I 'm thinking about examples I 'm mostly looking at child language which you know will have some overlap but not total with the kinds of things that you guys are getting. So you showed some in this  here before

and maybe you 've posted it before but where would I look if I want to see ?


and maybe you 've posted it before but where would I look if I want to see ?


Yeah , well just transcript is just not available because nobody has transcribed it yet.


Yeah , well just transcript is just not available because nobody has transcribed it yet.

Um I can e I can uh I 'll transcribe it though.


Um I can e I can uh I 'll transcribe it though.


Um I can e I can uh I 'll transcribe it though.

OK , well don't  don't make it a high priority


OK , well don't  don't make it a high priority


OK , well don't  don't make it a high priority

I  In fact if you just tell me like you know like two examples


I  In fact if you just tell me like you know like two examples

I mean , y The  the  the representational problems are  I 'm sure , will be there ,


Uh , making a profit of fifty million Euros.


So , it's go gonna have to be be pretty damn trendy.


So , it's go gonna have to be be pretty damn trendy.

So yeah , I've  The only the only remote controls I've used usually come with the television , and they're fairly basic.


So yeah , I've  The only the only remote controls I've used usually come with the television , and they're fairly basic.


Yeah , I was thinking that as well , I think the the only ones that I've seen that you buy are the sort of one for all type things where they're ,


Yeah , I was thinking that as well , I think the the only ones that I've seen that you buy are the sort of one for all type things where they're ,

yeah. So presumably that might be an idea to put into.


yeah. So presumably that might be an idea to put into.

But but to sell it for twenty five you need a lot of neat features. For sure.


But but to sell it for twenty five you need a lot of neat features. For sure.


Uh 'cause I mean , what  uh twenty five Euros , that's about I dunno , fifteen Pounds or so ? And that's quite a lot for a remote control.


Um well my first thoughts would be most remote controls are grey or black. As you said they come with the T_V_ so it's normally just your basic grey black remote control  functions ,


Make  that might make it a bit different from the rest at least. Um , and as you say , we need to have some kind of gimmick , so um I thought maybe something like if you lose it and you can whistle ,


Make  that might make it a bit different from the rest at least. Um , and as you say , we need to have some kind of gimmick , so um I thought maybe something like if you lose it and you can whistle ,

you know those things ? Because we always lose our remote control.


you know those things ? Because we always lose our remote control.


being as a Marketing Exper Expert I will like to say like before deciding the cost of this remote control or any other things we must see the market potential for this product like what is the competition in the market ? What are the available prices of the other remote controls in the prices ?


being as a Marketing Exper Expert I will like to say like before deciding the cost of this remote control or any other things we must see the market potential for this product like what is the competition in the market ? What are the available prices of the other remote controls in the prices ?

What speciality other remote controls are having and how complicated it is to use these remote controls as compared to other remote controls available in the market. So before deciding or before finalising this project , we must discuss all these things , like


What speciality other remote controls are having and how complicated it is to use these remote controls as compared to other remote controls available in the market. So before deciding or before finalising this project , we must discuss all these things , like

and apart from this , it should be having a good look also , because people really li uh like to play with it when they are watching movies or playing with  or playing with their C_D_ player , M_P_ three player like any electronic devices.


and apart from this , it should be having a good look also , because people really li uh like to play with it when they are watching movies or playing with  or playing with their C_D_ player , M_P_ three player like any electronic devices.

They really want to have something good , having a good design in their hands ,


They really want to have something good , having a good design in their hands ,


What do we think a good size would be for this ?


What do we think a good size would be for this ?

'Cause I I know as you add more buttons to the remote it sometimes gets so big and clunky


'Cause I I know as you add more buttons to the remote it sometimes gets so big and clunky

and there's just like a hundred buttons on it ,


and there's just like a hundred buttons on it ,


and there's just like a hundred buttons on it ,

or you could have a really small slim one but then you could lose it easily.


or you could have a really small slim one but then you could lose it easily.


Kind of um , maybe more like a P_D_A_ kind of , just hand held , like ,


Kind of um , maybe more like a P_D_A_ kind of , just hand held , like ,

remember we're trying to make it for twelve Euros fifty.


remember we're trying to make it for twelve Euros fifty.

Yeah. No , I wasn't , no sorry I wasn't thinking of the screen of like a P_D_A_


Yeah. No , I wasn't , no sorry I wasn't thinking of the screen of like a P_D_A_

we're k having another meeting in half an hour so um


we're k having another meeting in half an hour so um


we're k having another meeting in half an hour so um

we should all look into a bit uh , oh actually , no , we'll allocate. So you do the looking around at other remote controls.


we should all look into a bit uh , oh actually , no , we'll allocate. So you do the looking around at other remote controls.

Um , if you could maybe come up with sort of shapes and suggested shades or whatever , and you could look into um  basically how how it's made I_E_ like how you make it all in one , how  what sort of materials are available to you whatever. And obviously , other instructions will come from the personal coach.


Um , if you could maybe come up with sort of shapes and suggested shades or whatever , and you could look into um  basically how how it's made I_E_ like how you make it all in one , how  what sort of materials are available to you whatever. And obviously , other instructions will come from the personal coach.

Which will probably just usurp what I said so


Um , if you could maybe come up with sort of shapes and suggested shades or whatever , and you could look into um  basically how how it's made I_E_ like how you make it all in one , how  what sort of materials are available to you whatever. And obviously , other instructions will come from the personal coach.

Which will probably just usurp what I said so

So you want me to look at shapes and everything you said ?


Which will probably just usurp what I said so

So you want me to look at shapes and everything you said ?

Shapes and colours and  um basically how to make it attractive.


So you want me to look at shapes and everything you said ?

Shapes and colours and  um basically how to make it attractive.


Shapes and colours and  um basically how to make it attractive.


Okay , groovy. And no doubt we'll get um


We'll get um warnings for next meetings as well.


We'll get um warnings for next meetings as well.

Okay. I shall  I can't imagine these  are worth much.


Okay. I shall  I can't imagine these  are worth much.


'Kay so we'll try to zip through this , since we're short on time. Welcome everybody. Um hope your sessions went well. Um so this is our functional design meeting , we're going to consider um user needs , technical effects , and the working design of our remote control. Um I've been taking meetings on the minute minutes on the meetings   , and I'll be putting them in the shared documents folder so if there's anything you need to refer to you can find them in there. Um I I'll get the ones up for next time , um they're not finished yet. Right. Um so can we have updates from everyone from what you've worked on just kind of a quick summary of anything interesting that you'd like to share or discuss in this


Is that it ? Can you see ?  Oh , here. Okay. So what happens it doesn't work ?


it's like a three set setting cycle , so press it a couple times , hold down function and then press F_ eight.


Could you just plug it back into hers because she had


The cable might be a little loose or something. Oh , you got it.


Okay , um. In order to see what the functional requirements were to be found , um a hundred people were tested in a usability laboratory through just their habits to n know their habits were observed and questionnaires were given out. Um , the findings in in some cases matched what we were talking about. Custome Customers and users don't like the way remote controls look , they don't like the way they feel , they don't think they match their operating behaviour , and an example is what we were talking about , the buttons , they only use ten per cent of the buttons , so later on there's a study of the buttons that they use most and I think we should design according to these buttons. Easy to lose , and R_S_I_. I don't know what R_S_I_ means. Um the person that did the questionnaire obviously did , I don't have a clue.


Okay , um. In order to see what the functional requirements were to be found , um a hundred people were tested in a usability laboratory through just their habits to n know their habits were observed and questionnaires were given out. Um , the findings in in some cases matched what we were talking about. Custome Customers and users don't like the way remote controls look , they don't like the way they feel , they don't think they match their operating behaviour , and an example is what we were talking about , the buttons , they only use ten per cent of the buttons , so later on there's a study of the buttons that they use most and I think we should design according to these buttons. Easy to lose , and R_S_I_. I don't know what R_S_I_ means. Um the person that did the questionnaire obviously did , I don't have a clue.

Um , according to the frequency of use and the relevance of each buttons , I have made a list of the buttons that we should focus on in order of importance. So the most important buttons are those to do with channel selection. They're used about a hundred and sixty times per hour. And um yeah so and and people like to zap a lot apparently , so this is the order. Channel selection , teletext , volume , and power. The other ones are the settings , and they're used less than  you know zero point eight to zero point five times per hour , and this means that I think we can we could have like a a button for all the settings , and then , just one , and then from there go on to the audio on the screen , either on the remote or on the television. Um , about the screen , and speech recognition , some people are more willing than others to actually pay for that. And if we look at the market , f people from well from fifteen to thirty five year old year olds , I don't really know how to describe this , um ninety one to seventy six percent of people in that age range are willing to pay more for this sort of product , while people that are above thirty five years ol um years old go from thirty five percent to eight percent , so people that are sixty five for example wouldn't actually pay for this sort of thing. Um I don't I don't know um what the decision to be made is , but I think that the people that actually do buy remotes m more are those like teenagers and young professionals and um , most likely , but we should discuss this together.  And that's all I have to say about the matter ,  um.


Um , according to the frequency of use and the relevance of each buttons , I have made a list of the buttons that we should focus on in order of importance. So the most important buttons are those to do with channel selection. They're used about a hundred and sixty times per hour. And um yeah so and and people like to zap a lot apparently , so this is the order. Channel selection , teletext , volume , and power. The other ones are the settings , and they're used less than  you know zero point eight to zero point five times per hour , and this means that I think we can we could have like a a button for all the settings , and then , just one , and then from there go on to the audio on the screen , either on the remote or on the television. Um , about the screen , and speech recognition , some people are more willing than others to actually pay for that. And if we look at the market , f people from well from fifteen to thirty five year old year olds , I don't really know how to describe this , um ninety one to seventy six percent of people in that age range are willing to pay more for this sort of product , while people that are above thirty five years ol um years old go from thirty five percent to eight percent , so people that are sixty five for example wouldn't actually pay for this sort of thing. Um I don't I don't know um what the decision to be made is , but I think that the people that actually do buy remotes m more are those like teenagers and young professionals and um , most likely , but we should discuss this together.  And that's all I have to say about the matter ,  um.

Shall I  what do I do ? Do I give this to someone else ?


Shall I  what do I do ? Do I give this to someone else ?

Right. So get this. Okay so now I need to press F_ eight , what is it ?


Right. So get this. Okay so now I need to press F_ eight , what is it ?


It's the little blue  w it's the one  th


Okay. Um. This my presentation about the uh technical functions design and I basically just tried to focus on um  just what what functions we need and how to make that the best function for the user. So uh and I just sort of like thought about it myself and looked on the internet .


Okay. Um. This my presentation about the uh technical functions design and I basically just tried to focus on um  just what what functions we need and how to make that the best function for the user. So uh and I just sort of like thought about it myself and looked on the internet .

And okay so basically um  I think i uh like it is really important that we sort of get this done in a user friendly and fashionable way. Um  so I think things like uh you know keeping buttons together that  like close together that um  are used in the same way , uh  or um maybe that making 'em the same colour , keeping the number of buttons the uh leas you know to a minimum , and also things like is it is it um is it uh  can you c y small enough large enough I'm not sure we c I guess we would need to do some research about , I would , about what size is appropriate and that sort of thing , um but basically we need to make sure that it turns on and off the T_V_. Does it have like capacity to change the channels ? Um  does it do  or do we need to have like functions for cable or V_C_R_ ? And then , is it findable , and uh how do we wanna do that ? And um   I just thought that these two remotes were pretty boring , um I dunno if this will work but  And I think we can find something that's more fun to look at and use than either of those.  Just I mean I like the one on the right better , just because it does have fewer buttons , uh but I mean I think we sh can sort of think about things like um  like colour and you know size , shapes , that sort of thing , to best fit the user.  That concludes my presentation.


And okay so basically um  I think i uh like it is really important that we sort of get this done in a user friendly and fashionable way. Um  so I think things like uh you know keeping buttons together that  like close together that um  are used in the same way , uh  or um maybe that making 'em the same colour , keeping the number of buttons the uh leas you know to a minimum , and also things like is it is it um is it uh  can you c y small enough large enough I'm not sure we c I guess we would need to do some research about , I would , about what size is appropriate and that sort of thing , um but basically we need to make sure that it turns on and off the T_V_. Does it have like capacity to change the channels ? Um  does it do  or do we need to have like functions for cable or V_C_R_ ? And then , is it findable , and uh how do we wanna do that ? And um   I just thought that these two remotes were pretty boring , um I dunno if this will work but  And I think we can find something that's more fun to look at and use than either of those.  Just I mean I like the one on the right better , just because it does have fewer buttons , uh but I mean I think we sh can sort of think about things like um  like colour and you know size , shapes , that sort of thing , to best fit the user.  That concludes my presentation.


Okay so this is on the working design , which is sort of the uh mechanical functions of the remote , um and the method I used was to basically look at existing designs and incorporate ideas from our last meeting. Um so I think we need two basic functions which is just the basic remote functions , the user can input a channel or volume setting and it will be output to the T_V_. And also we talked about um a location function where maybe you could press a button on the T_V_ and it would send sort of signal to the remote where it would beep or flash or vibrate or whatever to tell you where the remote is. So the components we need are an energy source to power the remote , um input which would probably be buttons , although um we just talked about voice recognition , processor to take the information , um something to transmit it to the T_V_ , and we also need something on the remote that would receive the location signal and have an output , like possibly a beep or a vibration. And also you need a sender for location signal , which would probably be a separate um thing that we'd have to sell with the remote and people could stick it on their T_V_ or stick it on their wall. And this is just sort of an overview of how the remote works. Power comes from the battery , goes to the chip , um and then it is sent from there to an infrared bulb which is probably the easiest way to send to the T_V_. And then for the location function , you would have a sender on the T_V_ which would output some sort of signal , um we could use I_R_ but we'd probably wanna use radio instead. That signal would go to a receiver which it would process it , and it would be output in the form of a buzzer or a light lighting up. Um so my personal preferences for how to build the remote would probably be uh , battery for the energy source , that way you wouldn't have to plug it in , um a button pad for input , um we can purchase a pre-made chip which will handle all the processing stuff , I_R_ transmitter to communicate to the T_V_ , that's just sort of standard , um so most T_V_s have an I_R_ receiver. Probably a radio receiver to send out location function and to receive it and I'd probably say a buzzer for the location function on the remote itself. So that concludes my presentation.


Yeah , uh I d I was an engineer before I came here.


Yeah , uh I d I was an engineer before I came here.

Okay. Well thank you everybody. Um  we have  we'll discuss that and then I just wanna mention some new project requirements that came in. Um , teletext is apparently outdated , so   due to internet popularity , so that's off the list. Um ,


Yeah , uh I d I was an engineer before I came here.

Okay. Well thank you everybody. Um  we have  we'll discuss that and then I just wanna mention some new project requirements that came in. Um , teletext is apparently outdated , so   due to internet popularity , so that's off the list. Um ,

also our remote should be used only for television , um , no extra internet kinda fancy things , just the remote and the television. Um and also we need to incorporate our corporate image onto this , so um the phrase is , we put fashion in electronics , so let's be fashionable I guess. Um if we have something  I mean silver and and gold or yellow are our colours , so if we had a like a kind of silver one like you saw , and yellow writing , something like that. Okay. Um. So we need to make some decisions on the remote control functions. Um , yeah.  Do  Let's


Okay. Well thank you everybody. Um  we have  we'll discuss that and then I just wanna mention some new project requirements that came in. Um , teletext is apparently outdated , so   due to internet popularity , so that's off the list. Um ,

also our remote should be used only for television , um , no extra internet kinda fancy things , just the remote and the television. Um and also we need to incorporate our corporate image onto this , so um the phrase is , we put fashion in electronics , so let's be fashionable I guess. Um if we have something  I mean silver and and gold or yellow are our colours , so if we had a like a kind of silver one like you saw , and yellow writing , something like that. Okay. Um. So we need to make some decisions on the remote control functions. Um , yeah.  Do  Let's

I guess we should yeah make some kind of brainstorming , see what we can


also our remote should be used only for television , um , no extra internet kinda fancy things , just the remote and the television. Um and also we need to incorporate our corporate image onto this , so um the phrase is , we put fashion in electronics , so let's be fashionable I guess. Um if we have something  I mean silver and and gold or yellow are our colours , so if we had a like a kind of silver one like you saw , and yellow writing , something like that. Okay. Um. So we need to make some decisions on the remote control functions. Um , yeah.  Do  Let's

I guess we should yeah make some kind of brainstorming , see what we can


I guess we should yeah make some kind of brainstorming , see what we can


wha what  um  well probably our target group and how it's gonna going to appeal to our target group and I dunno the the s


wha what  um  well probably our target group and how it's gonna going to appeal to our target group and I dunno the the s

the buttons and what it does and that sort of thing. So.


wha what  um  well probably our target group and how it's gonna going to appeal to our target group and I dunno the the s

the buttons and what it does and that sort of thing. So.

Yeah. Okay. So  Is our target group then people  so do we wanna go ahead and design this thing with the finder button ?


the buttons and what it does and that sort of thing. So.

Yeah. Okay. So  Is our target group then people  so do we wanna go ahead and design this thing with the finder button ?


Yeah. Okay. So  Is our target group then people  so do we wanna go ahead and design this thing with the finder button ?


So then our target age group would be the nineteen to thirty five range ,


So then our target age group would be the nineteen to thirty five range ,

Yeah , teenagers and young professionals.


Yeah , teenagers and young professionals.


And screen. That's only for speech recognition and screen.


And screen. That's only for speech recognition and screen.

I was thinking about that but uh I mean speech recognition is really hard to programme ,


And screen. That's only for speech recognition and screen.

I was thinking about that but uh I mean speech recognition is really hard to programme ,

and also , if the T_V_ is on it's making sound and the people on the T_V_ are talking , and if somebody says like one , then the T_V_'s gonna switch itself to channel one ,


I was thinking about that but uh I mean speech recognition is really hard to programme ,

and also , if the T_V_ is on it's making sound and the people on the T_V_ are talking , and if somebody says like one , then the T_V_'s gonna switch itself to channel one ,


and also , if the T_V_ is on it's making sound and the people on the T_V_ are talking , and if somebody says like one , then the T_V_'s gonna switch itself to channel one ,


I'm not sure how you would implement it.


I'm not sure how you would implement it.

And if if you consider our budget , it probably


And if if you consider our budget , it probably


And if if you consider our budget , it probably

if you consider our budget , to h have speech recognition programmed in every single remote might be a little pricey.


if you consider our budget , to h have speech recognition programmed in every single remote might be a little pricey.


Okay so are we gonna have just some kind of a  like we'll have the buzzer on the som like on the T_V_ itself.


Okay so are we gonna have just some kind of a  like we'll have the buzzer on the som like on the T_V_ itself.

Well you would have to have a button on a T_V_ or on your wall or some place  since the T_V_ already has power.


Well you would have to have a button on a T_V_ or on your wall or some place  since the T_V_ already has power.


Yeah you click the button , it's gonna send out a signal , and I was thinking , I_R_ is line of sight , so unless the remote is like actually in front of the T_V_ it's not gonna work , um so probably like a radio signal like on a on a cell phone.


Sends out a signal and then the the remote hears the signal and so it beeps probably.


So you you'd need like a separate base for that or like something you can


So you you'd need like a separate base for that or like something you can

It would have to be sold separately because if the sender's on the remote then you'd have to find the remote first to click the button to find the remote .


So you you'd need like a separate base for that or like something you can

It would have to be sold separately because if the sender's on the remote then you'd have to find the remote first to click the button to find the remote .

So do you plug it in the T_  you plug it in T_V_ , this thing ?


It would have to be sold separately because if the sender's on the remote then you'd have to find the remote first to click the button to find the remote .

So do you plug it in the T_  you plug it in T_V_ , this thing ?

Yeah , it'd probably just stick it on your T_V_ so if you need to find the remote , click the button.


So do you plug it in the T_  you plug it in T_V_ , this thing ?

Yeah , it'd probably just stick it on your T_V_ so if you need to find the remote , click the button.


Yeah , it'd probably just stick it on your T_V_ so if you need to find the remote , click the button.

Yeah , so it would be a two part package.


Yeah , so it would be a two part package.


So do you think even though we're not talking about speek speech recognition our target group should still be teenagers and young professionals.


Mm. Are we um should that thing be on the  thing to put the  you s you talking about a home for it.


Mm. Are we um should that thing be on the  thing to put the  you s you talking about a home for it.

Do you still want to build a little thing next to the telly or to p hang on the wall or shall we leave that for now ?


Mm. Are we um should that thing be on the  thing to put the  you s you talking about a home for it.

Do you still want to build a little thing next to the telly or to p hang on the wall or shall we leave that for now ?

We probably leave that. I mean I guess one takes care of the other , like um if you can yeah if you can call it then it's


Do you still want to build a little thing next to the telly or to p hang on the wall or shall we leave that for now ?

We probably leave that. I mean I guess one takes care of the other , like um if you can yeah if you can call it then it's


We probably leave that. I mean I guess one takes care of the other , like um if you can yeah if you can call it then it's


Okay. For the  so you have that button , that  so there's  is there a light or shall we leave just have a radio ?