and  that wasn't as directly relevant to what he 's doing. He 's interested in these  these knowledge structures ,


I mean , he certainly could use text , but we were in fact looking to see if there  is there  is there something in common between our interest in meetings and his interest in  in  in this stuff. So.


I mean , he certainly could use text , but we were in fact looking to see if there  is there  is there something in common between our interest in meetings and his interest in  in  in this stuff. So.

And I imagine that transcripts of speech  I mean text that is speech  probably has more of those than sort of prepared writing. I  I don't know whether it would or not , but it seems like it would.


I mean , he certainly could use text , but we were in fact looking to see if there  is there  is there something in common between our interest in meetings and his interest in  in  in this stuff. So.

And I imagine that transcripts of speech  I mean text that is speech  probably has more of those than sort of prepared writing. I  I don't know whether it would or not , but it seems like it would.

I don't know , probably de probably depends on what the prepared writing was. But.


I mean , he certainly could use text , but we were in fact looking to see if there  is there  is there something in common between our interest in meetings and his interest in  in  in this stuff. So.

And I imagine that transcripts of speech  I mean text that is speech  probably has more of those than sort of prepared writing. I  I don't know whether it would or not , but it seems like it would.

I don't know , probably de probably depends on what the prepared writing was. But.

Yeah , I don't think I would make that leap , because i in narratives , you know  I mean , if you spell out everything in a narrative , it can be really tedious ,


And I imagine that transcripts of speech  I mean text that is speech  probably has more of those than sort of prepared writing. I  I don't know whether it would or not , but it seems like it would.

I don't know , probably de probably depends on what the prepared writing was. But.

Yeah , I don't think I would make that leap , because i in narratives , you know  I mean , if you spell out everything in a narrative , it can be really tedious ,


I don't know , probably de probably depends on what the prepared writing was. But.

Yeah , I don't think I would make that leap , because i in narratives , you know  I mean , if you spell out everything in a narrative , it can be really tedious ,


Yeah , I don't think I would make that leap , because i in narratives , you know  I mean , if you spell out everything in a narrative , it can be really tedious ,

Yeah , I 'm just thinking , you know , when you 're  when you 're face to face , you have a lot of backchannel and  And


Yeah , I 'm just thinking , you know , when you 're  when you 're face to face , you have a lot of backchannel and  And


Yeah , I 'm just thinking , you know , when you 're  when you 're face to face , you have a lot of backchannel and  And

Yeah. And so I think it 's just easier to do that sort of broad inference jumping if it 's face to face. I mean , so , if I just read that Dan was saying " we 're ahead of the game "  in that  in that context ,


Yeah. And so I think it 's just easier to do that sort of broad inference jumping if it 's face to face. I mean , so , if I just read that Dan was saying " we 're ahead of the game "  in that  in that context ,

I might not realize that he was talking about disk space as opposed to anything else.


Yeah. And so I think it 's just easier to do that sort of broad inference jumping if it 's face to face. I mean , so , if I just read that Dan was saying " we 're ahead of the game "  in that  in that context ,

I might not realize that he was talking about disk space as opposed to anything else.

I  you know , I  I had several that had to do with backchannels and this wasn't one of them.


I might not realize that he was talking about disk space as opposed to anything else.

I  you know , I  I had several that had to do with backchannels and this wasn't one of them.


I might not realize that he was talking about disk space as opposed to anything else.

I  you know , I  I had several that had to do with backchannels and this wasn't one of them.

This  this one really does um m make you leap from  So he said , you know , " we 're ahead of the game , w we have built - in downsampling ".


I  you know , I  I had several that had to do with backchannels and this wasn't one of them.

This  this one really does um m make you leap from  So he said , you know , " we 're ahead of the game , w we have built - in downsampling ".


This  this one really does um m make you leap from  So he said , you know , " we 're ahead of the game , w we have built - in downsampling ".

And the inference , i if you had it written down , would be


And the inference , i if you had it written down , would be

Uh - huh. But there are others that have backchannelling , it 's just he was less interested in those.


And the inference , i if you had it written down , would be

Uh - huh. But there are others that have backchannelling , it 's just he was less interested in those.

Can I  Sorry to interrupt. Um , I f f f I 've  @ @  d A minute  uh , several minutes ago , I , like , briefly was  was not listening and  So who is " he " in this context ?


Uh - huh. But there are others that have backchannelling , it 's just he was less interested in those.

Can I  Sorry to interrupt. Um , I f f f I 've  @ @  d A minute  uh , several minutes ago , I , like , briefly was  was not listening and  So who is " he " in this context ?


Uh - huh. But there are others that have backchannelling , it 's just he was less interested in those.

Can I  Sorry to interrupt. Um , I f f f I 've  @ @  d A minute  uh , several minutes ago , I , like , briefly was  was not listening and  So who is " he " in this context ?

OK. So I was just realizing we 've  You guys have been talking about " he " um for at least uh , I don't know , three  three four minutes without ever mentioning the person 's name again.


Can I  Sorry to interrupt. Um , I f f f I 've  @ @  d A minute  uh , several minutes ago , I , like , briefly was  was not listening and  So who is " he " in this context ?

OK. So I was just realizing we 've  You guys have been talking about " he " um for at least uh , I don't know , three  three four minutes without ever mentioning the person 's name again.

I believe it. Yeah. Actually to make it worse ,  uh , Morgan uses " you " and " you "


OK. So I was just realizing we 've  You guys have been talking about " he " um for at least uh , I don't know , three  three four minutes without ever mentioning the person 's name again.

I believe it. Yeah. Actually to make it worse ,  uh , Morgan uses " you " and " you "

So this is  this is  this is  gonna be a big , big problem if you want to later do uh , you know , indexing , or speech understanding of any sort.


I believe it. Yeah. Actually to make it worse ,  uh , Morgan uses " you " and " you "

So this is  this is  this is  gonna be a big , big problem if you want to later do uh , you know , indexing , or speech understanding of any sort.

with gaze and no identification , or  I just wrote this down. Yeah , actually. Cuz Morgan will say well , " you had some ideas "


So this is  this is  this is  gonna be a big , big problem if you want to later do uh , you know , indexing , or speech understanding of any sort.

with gaze and no identification , or  I just wrote this down. Yeah , actually. Cuz Morgan will say well , " you had some ideas "


with gaze and no identification , or  I just wrote this down. Yeah , actually. Cuz Morgan will say well , " you had some ideas "


Well , I think he 's doing that intentionally ,


because the thing is , because he 's looking at the per even for addressees in the conversation ,


because the thing is , because he 's looking at the per even for addressees in the conversation ,

I bet you could pick that up in the acoustics. Just because your gaze is also correlated with the directionality of your voice.


I bet you could pick that up in the acoustics. Just because your gaze is also correlated with the directionality of your voice.


Yeah , so that , I mean , to even know um when


Yeah , so that , I mean , to even know um when

Yeah , if you have the P Z Ms you should be able to pick up what a person is looking at from their voice.


Yeah , so that , I mean , to even know um when

Yeah , if you have the P Z Ms you should be able to pick up what a person is looking at from their voice.

Well , especially with Morgan , with the way we have the microphones arranged. I 'm sort of right on axis and it would be very hard to tell.


Yeah , if you have the P Z Ms you should be able to pick up what a person is looking at from their voice.

Well , especially with Morgan , with the way we have the microphones arranged. I 'm sort of right on axis and it would be very hard to tell.


Well , especially with Morgan , with the way we have the microphones arranged. I 'm sort of right on axis and it would be very hard to tell.


Wouldn't you get fainter reception out here ?


Wouldn't you get fainter reception out here ?

Sure , but I think if I 'm talking like this ? Right now I 'm looking at Jane and talking , now I 'm looking at Chuck and talking , I don't think the microphones would pick up that difference.


Sure , but I think if I 'm talking like this ? Right now I 'm looking at Jane and talking , now I 'm looking at Chuck and talking , I don't think the microphones would pick up that difference.


So if I 'm talking at you , or I 'm talking at you.


So if I 'm talking at you , or I 'm talking at you.

I probably been affect No , I th I think I 've been affected by too many conversations where we were talking about lawyers and talking about  and concerns about " oh gee is somebody going to say something bad ? " and so on.


So if I 'm talking at you , or I 'm talking at you.

I probably been affect No , I th I think I 've been affected by too many conversations where we were talking about lawyers and talking about  and concerns about " oh gee is somebody going to say something bad ? " and so on.

And so I  so I 'm  I 'm tending to stay away from people 's names even though uh


I probably been affect No , I th I think I 've been affected by too many conversations where we were talking about lawyers and talking about  and concerns about " oh gee is somebody going to say something bad ? " and so on.

And so I  so I 'm  I 'm tending to stay away from people 's names even though uh


And so I  so I 'm  I 'm tending to stay away from people 's names even though uh

Even though you could pick up later on , just from the acoustics who you were t who you were looking at.


Even though you could pick up later on , just from the acoustics who you were t who you were looking at.


I was just  I was just  I was overreacting just because we 've been talking about it.


I was just  I was just  I was overreacting just because we 've been talking about it.

And in fact , it is  it is  it is sensitive.


And in fact , it is  it is  it is sensitive.

I  I came up with something from the Human Subjects people that I wanted to mention. I mean , it fits into the m area of the mundane , but they did say  You know , I asked her very specifically about this clause of how , um , you know , it says " no individuals will be identified uh , " in any publication using the data. " OK , well , individuals being identified , let 's say you have a  a snippet that says , " Joe s uh thinks such - and - such about  about this field , but I think he 's wrongheaded. " Now I mean , we 're  we 're gonna be careful not to have the " wrongheaded " part in there , but  but you know , let 's say we say , you know , " Joe used to think so - and - so about this area , in his publication he says that but I think he 's changed his mind. " or whatever. Then the issue of  of being able to trace Joe , because we know he 's well - known in this field , and all this and  and tie it to the speaker , whose name was just mentioned a moment ago , can be sensitive.


I  I came up with something from the Human Subjects people that I wanted to mention. I mean , it fits into the m area of the mundane , but they did say  You know , I asked her very specifically about this clause of how , um , you know , it says " no individuals will be identified uh , " in any publication using the data. " OK , well , individuals being identified , let 's say you have a  a snippet that says , " Joe s uh thinks such - and - such about  about this field , but I think he 's wrongheaded. " Now I mean , we 're  we 're gonna be careful not to have the " wrongheaded " part in there , but  but you know , let 's say we say , you know , " Joe used to think so - and - so about this area , in his publication he says that but I think he 's changed his mind. " or whatever. Then the issue of  of being able to trace Joe , because we know he 's well - known in this field , and all this and  and tie it to the speaker , whose name was just mentioned a moment ago , can be sensitive.


I  I came up with something from the Human Subjects people that I wanted to mention. I mean , it fits into the m area of the mundane , but they did say  You know , I asked her very specifically about this clause of how , um , you know , it says " no individuals will be identified uh , " in any publication using the data. " OK , well , individuals being identified , let 's say you have a  a snippet that says , " Joe s uh thinks such - and - such about  about this field , but I think he 's wrongheaded. " Now I mean , we 're  we 're gonna be careful not to have the " wrongheaded " part in there , but  but you know , let 's say we say , you know , " Joe used to think so - and - so about this area , in his publication he says that but I think he 's changed his mind. " or whatever. Then the issue of  of being able to trace Joe , because we know he 's well - known in this field , and all this and  and tie it to the speaker , whose name was just mentioned a moment ago , can be sensitive.

So I think it 's really  really kind of adaptive and wise to not mention names any more than we have to because if there 's a slanderous aspect to it , then how much to we wanna be able to have to remove ?


I  I came up with something from the Human Subjects people that I wanted to mention. I mean , it fits into the m area of the mundane , but they did say  You know , I asked her very specifically about this clause of how , um , you know , it says " no individuals will be identified uh , " in any publication using the data. " OK , well , individuals being identified , let 's say you have a  a snippet that says , " Joe s uh thinks such - and - such about  about this field , but I think he 's wrongheaded. " Now I mean , we 're  we 're gonna be careful not to have the " wrongheaded " part in there , but  but you know , let 's say we say , you know , " Joe used to think so - and - so about this area , in his publication he says that but I think he 's changed his mind. " or whatever. Then the issue of  of being able to trace Joe , because we know he 's well - known in this field , and all this and  and tie it to the speaker , whose name was just mentioned a moment ago , can be sensitive.

So I think it 's really  really kind of adaptive and wise to not mention names any more than we have to because if there 's a slanderous aspect to it , then how much to we wanna be able to have to remove ?

Yeah , well , there 's that. But I  I mean I think also to some extent it 's just educating the Human Subjects people , in a way , because there 's  If uh  You know , there 's court transcripts , there 's  there 's transcripts of radio shows  I mean people say people 's names all the time. So I think it  it can't be bad to say people 's names. It 's just that  i I mean you 're right that there 's more poten If we never say anybody 's name , then there 's no chance of  of  of slandering anybody ,


So I think it 's really  really kind of adaptive and wise to not mention names any more than we have to because if there 's a slanderous aspect to it , then how much to we wanna be able to have to remove ?

Yeah , well , there 's that. But I  I mean I think also to some extent it 's just educating the Human Subjects people , in a way , because there 's  If uh  You know , there 's court transcripts , there 's  there 's transcripts of radio shows  I mean people say people 's names all the time. So I think it  it can't be bad to say people 's names. It 's just that  i I mean you 're right that there 's more poten If we never say anybody 's name , then there 's no chance of  of  of slandering anybody ,

But , then it won't  I mean , if we  if we


Yeah , well , there 's that. But I  I mean I think also to some extent it 's just educating the Human Subjects people , in a way , because there 's  If uh  You know , there 's court transcripts , there 's  there 's transcripts of radio shows  I mean people say people 's names all the time. So I think it  it can't be bad to say people 's names. It 's just that  i I mean you 're right that there 's more poten If we never say anybody 's name , then there 's no chance of  of  of slandering anybody ,

But , then it won't  I mean , if we  if we


But , then it won't  I mean , if we  if we

Yeah. I mean we should do whatever 's natural in a meeting if  if we weren't being recorded.


Yeah. I mean we should do whatever 's natural in a meeting if  if we weren't being recorded.

Yeah. Right , so I  So my behavior is probably not natural.


Yeah. Right , so I  So my behavior is probably not natural.

Well , my feeling on it was that it wasn't really important who said it , you know.


Well , my feeling on it was that it wasn't really important who said it , you know.


Well , my feeling on it was that it wasn't really important who said it , you know.

Well , if you ha since you have to um go over the transcripts later anyway , you could make it one of the jobs of the  people who do that to mark


Well , my feeling on it was that it wasn't really important who said it , you know.

Well , if you ha since you have to um go over the transcripts later anyway , you could make it one of the jobs of the  people who do that to mark

Well , we t we t we talked about this during the anon anonymization.


Well , if you ha since you have to um go over the transcripts later anyway , you could make it one of the jobs of the  people who do that to mark

Well , we t we t we talked about this during the anon anonymization.


Well , if you ha since you have to um go over the transcripts later anyway , you could make it one of the jobs of the  people who do that to mark

Well , we t we t we talked about this during the anon anonymization.

If we wanna go through and extract from the audio and the written every time someone says a name. And I thought that our conclusion was that we didn't want to do that.


Well , we t we t we talked about this during the anon anonymization.

If we wanna go through and extract from the audio and the written every time someone says a name. And I thought that our conclusion was that we didn't want to do that.

Yeah , we really can't. But a actually , I 'm sorry. I really would like to push  finish this off.


If we wanna go through and extract from the audio and the written every time someone says a name. And I thought that our conclusion was that we didn't want to do that.

Yeah , we really can't. But a actually , I 'm sorry. I really would like to push  finish this off.

I understand. No I just  I just was suggesting that it 's not a bad policy p potentially.


Yeah , we really can't. But a actually , I 'm sorry. I really would like to push  finish this off.

I understand. No I just  I just was suggesting that it 's not a bad policy p potentially.


I understand. No I just  I just was suggesting that it 's not a bad policy p potentially.

Yeah , I di I didn't intend it an a policy though.


Yeah , I di I didn't intend it an a policy though.


Yeah , I di I didn't intend it an a policy though.

It was  it was just it was just unconscious  well , semi - conscious behavior. I sorta knew I was doing it but it was


Yeah , I di I didn't intend it an a policy though.

It was  it was just it was just unconscious  well , semi - conscious behavior. I sorta knew I was doing it but it was

Well , I still don't know who " he " is.


It was  it was just it was just unconscious  well , semi - conscious behavior. I sorta knew I was doing it but it was

Well , I still don't know who " he " is.


It was  it was just it was just unconscious  well , semi - conscious behavior. I sorta knew I was doing it but it was

Well , I still don't know who " he " is.

No , you have to say , you still don't know who " he " is , with that prosody.


Well , I still don't know who " he " is.

No , you have to say , you still don't know who " he " is , with that prosody.

Ah. Uh , we were talking about Dan at one point  and we were talking about Lokendra at another point.


No , you have to say , you still don't know who " he " is , with that prosody.

Ah. Uh , we were talking about Dan at one point  and we were talking about Lokendra at another point.


No , you have to say , you still don't know who " he " is , with that prosody.

Ah. Uh , we were talking about Dan at one point  and we were talking about Lokendra at another point.

And I don't  I don't remember which  which part.


Ah. Uh , we were talking about Dan at one point  and we were talking about Lokendra at another point.

And I don't  I don't remember which  which part.


And I don't  I don't remember which  which part.


Well , the inference structures was Lokendra.


Well , the inference structures was Lokendra.

But no. The inference stuff was  was  was Lokendra.


But no. The inference stuff was  was  was Lokendra.

And the downsampling must have been Dan.


And the downsampling must have been Dan.


Yeah , you could do all these inferences , yeah.


Yeah , you could do all these inferences , yeah.

Yeah. Um , I  I would like to move it into  into uh what Jose uh has been doing


Yeah. Um , I  I would like to move it into  into uh what Jose uh has been doing

because he 's actually been doing something.


because he 's actually been doing something.


Well -   OK. I  I remind that me  my first objective eh , in the project is to  to study difference parameters to  to find a  a good solution to detect eh , the overlapping zone in eh speech recorded. But eh ,  tsk ,   ehhh  In that way  I   I   I begin to  to study and to analyze the ehn  the recorded speech eh the different session to  to find and to locate and to mark eh the  the different overlapping zone. And eh so eh I was eh  I am transcribing the  the first session and I  I have found eh , eh one thousand acoustic events , eh besides the overlapping zones , eh I  I  I mean the eh breaths eh aspiration eh , eh , talk eh , eh , clap , eh   I don't know what is the different names eh you use to  to name the  the  n speech


Well -   OK. I  I remind that me  my first objective eh , in the project is to  to study difference parameters to  to find a  a good solution to detect eh , the overlapping zone in eh speech recorded. But eh ,  tsk ,   ehhh  In that way  I   I   I begin to  to study and to analyze the ehn  the recorded speech eh the different session to  to find and to locate and to mark eh the  the different overlapping zone. And eh so eh I was eh  I am transcribing the  the first session and I  I have found eh , eh one thousand acoustic events , eh besides the overlapping zones , eh I  I  I mean the eh breaths eh aspiration eh , eh , talk eh , eh , clap , eh   I don't know what is the different names eh you use to  to name the  the  n speech

Oh , I don't think we 've been doing it at that level of detail. So.


Oh , I don't think we 've been doing it at that level of detail. So.

Yeah. Eh ,  I  I  I do I don't need to  to  to mmm   to m to label the  the different acoustic , but I prefer because eh I would like to  to study if eh , I  I will find eh , eh , a good eh parameters eh to detect overlapping I would like to  to  to test these parameters eh with the  another eh , eh acoustic events , to nnn   to eh  to find what is the ehm  the false  eh , the false eh hypothesis eh , nnn , which eh are produced when we use the  the ehm  this eh parameter  eh I mean pitch eh , eh , difference eh , feature


Oh , I don't think we 've been doing it at that level of detail. So.

Yeah. Eh ,  I  I  I do I don't need to  to  to mmm   to m to label the  the different acoustic , but I prefer because eh I would like to  to study if eh , I  I will find eh , eh , a good eh parameters eh to detect overlapping I would like to  to  to test these parameters eh with the  another eh , eh acoustic events , to nnn   to eh  to find what is the ehm  the false  eh , the false eh hypothesis eh , nnn , which eh are produced when we use the  the ehm  this eh parameter  eh I mean pitch eh , eh , difference eh , feature

You know  I think some of these um that are the nonspeech overlapping events may be difficult even for humans to tell that there 's two there.


Yeah. Eh ,  I  I  I do I don't need to  to  to mmm   to m to label the  the different acoustic , but I prefer because eh I would like to  to study if eh , I  I will find eh , eh , a good eh parameters eh to detect overlapping I would like to  to  to test these parameters eh with the  another eh , eh acoustic events , to nnn   to eh  to find what is the ehm  the false  eh , the false eh hypothesis eh , nnn , which eh are produced when we use the  the ehm  this eh parameter  eh I mean pitch eh , eh , difference eh , feature

You know  I think some of these um that are the nonspeech overlapping events may be difficult even for humans to tell that there 's two there.


You know  I think some of these um that are the nonspeech overlapping events may be difficult even for humans to tell that there 's two there.


You know  I think some of these um that are the nonspeech overlapping events may be difficult even for humans to tell that there 's two there.

I mean , if it 's a tapping sound , you wouldn't necessarily  or , you know , something like that , it 'd be  it might be hard to know that it was two separate events.


I mean , if it 's a tapping sound , you wouldn't necessarily  or , you know , something like that , it 'd be  it might be hard to know that it was two separate events.


I mean , if it 's a tapping sound , you wouldn't necessarily  or , you know , something like that , it 'd be  it might be hard to know that it was two separate events.

Well  You weren't talking about just overlaps


Well  You weren't talking about just overlaps

were you ? You were just talking about acoustic events.


Well  You weren't talking about just overlaps

were you ? You were just talking about acoustic events.

I  I  I  I t I t I talk eh about eh acoustic events in general ,


were you ? You were just talking about acoustic events.

I  I  I  I t I t I talk eh about eh acoustic events in general ,


I  I  I  I t I t I talk eh about eh acoustic events in general ,

but eh my  my objective eh will be eh to study eh overlapping zone.


but eh my  my objective eh will be eh to study eh overlapping zone.


but eh my  my objective eh will be eh to study eh overlapping zone.

Eh ?  n Eh in twelve minutes I found eh , eh one thousand acoustic events.


but eh my  my objective eh will be eh to study eh overlapping zone.

Eh ?  n Eh in twelve minutes I found eh , eh one thousand acoustic events.

How many overlaps were there uh in it ? No no , how many of them were the overlaps of speech , though ?


Eh ?  n Eh in twelve minutes I found eh , eh one thousand acoustic events.

How many overlaps were there uh in it ? No no , how many of them were the overlaps of speech , though ?

How many ? Eh almost eh three hundred eh in one session


How many overlaps were there uh in it ? No no , how many of them were the overlaps of speech , though ?

How many ? Eh almost eh three hundred eh in one session


How many ? Eh almost eh three hundred eh in one session


With the overlapping zone , overlapping speech  speech what eh different duration.


With the overlapping zone , overlapping speech  speech what eh different duration.

Does this  ? So if you had an overlap involving three people , how many times was that counted ?


Does this  ? So if you had an overlap involving three people , how many times was that counted ?

Yeah , three people , two people. Eh , um I would like to consider eh one people with difference noise eh in the background , be


Does this  ? So if you had an overlap involving three people , how many times was that counted ?

Yeah , three people , two people. Eh , um I would like to consider eh one people with difference noise eh in the background , be

No no , but I think what she 's asking is  if at some particular for some particular stretch you had three people talking , instead of two , did you call that one event ?


Does this  ? So if you had an overlap involving three people , how many times was that counted ?

Yeah , three people , two people. Eh , um I would like to consider eh one people with difference noise eh in the background , be

No no , but I think what she 's asking is  if at some particular for some particular stretch you had three people talking , instead of two , did you call that one event ?

Oh. Oh. Yeah. I consider one event eh for th for that eh for all the zone. This  th I  I  I con I consider  I consider eh an acoustic event , the overlapping zone , the period where three speaker or eh  are talking together.


Yeah , three people , two people. Eh , um I would like to consider eh one people with difference noise eh in the background , be

No no , but I think what she 's asking is  if at some particular for some particular stretch you had three people talking , instead of two , did you call that one event ?

Oh. Oh. Yeah. I consider one event eh for th for that eh for all the zone. This  th I  I  I con I consider  I consider eh an acoustic event , the overlapping zone , the period where three speaker or eh  are talking together.


No no , but I think what she 's asking is  if at some particular for some particular stretch you had three people talking , instead of two , did you call that one event ?

Oh. Oh. Yeah. I consider one event eh for th for that eh for all the zone. This  th I  I  I con I consider  I consider eh an acoustic event , the overlapping zone , the period where three speaker or eh  are talking together.


Oh. Oh. Yeah. I consider one event eh for th for that eh for all the zone. This  th I  I  I con I consider  I consider eh an acoustic event , the overlapping zone , the period where three speaker or eh  are talking together.

So let 's say me and Jane are talking at the same time , and then Liz starts talking also over all of us. How many events would that be ?


So let 's say me and Jane are talking at the same time , and then Liz starts talking also over all of us. How many events would that be ?


So let 's say me and Jane are talking at the same time , and then Liz starts talking also over all of us. How many events would that be ?

So , two people are talking ,  and then a third person starts talking.


So , two people are talking ,  and then a third person starts talking.


So , two people are talking ,  and then a third person starts talking.

Eh no. No no. For me is the overlapping zone , because  because you  you have s you have more one  eh , more one voice eh , eh produced in a  in  in a moment.


Eh no. No no. For me is the overlapping zone , because  because you  you have s you have more one  eh , more one voice eh , eh produced in a  in  in a moment.


Eh no. No no. For me is the overlapping zone , because  because you  you have s you have more one  eh , more one voice eh , eh produced in a  in  in a moment.

OK. Yeah. So I think  Yeah. We just wanted to understand how you 're defining it.


OK. Yeah. So I think  Yeah. We just wanted to understand how you 're defining it.


OK. Yeah. So I think  Yeah. We just wanted to understand how you 're defining it.

So then , in the region between  since there  there is some continuous region , in between regions where there is only one person speaking.


So then , in the region between  since there  there is some continuous region , in between regions where there is only one person speaking.

And one contiguous region like that you 're calling an event.


And one contiguous region like that you 're calling an event.

Is it  Are you calling the beginning or the end of it the event ,


Is it  Are you calling the beginning or the end of it the event ,

or are you calling the entire length of it the event ?


Is it  Are you calling the beginning or the end of it the event ,

or are you calling the entire length of it the event ?

I consider the  the , nnn  the nnn , nnn  eh , the entirety eh , eh , all  all the time there were  the voice has overlapped.


or are you calling the entire length of it the event ?

I consider the  the , nnn  the nnn , nnn  eh , the entirety eh , eh , all  all the time there were  the voice has overlapped.


or are you calling the entire length of it the event ?

I consider the  the , nnn  the nnn , nnn  eh , the entirety eh , eh , all  all the time there were  the voice has overlapped.

This is the idea. But eh I  I don't distinguish between the  the numbers of eh speaker. Uh , I 'm not considering  eh the  the  ehm  eh , the fact of eh , eh , for example , what did you say ? Eh at first eh , eh two talkers are uh , eh speaking , and eh , eh a third person eh join to  to that. For me , it 's eh  it 's eh , all overlap zone , with eh several numbers of speakers is eh , eh the same acoustic event. Wi - but  uh , without any mark between the zone  of the overlapping zone with two speakers eh speaking together , and the zone with the three speakers.


I consider the  the , nnn  the nnn , nnn  eh , the entirety eh , eh , all  all the time there were  the voice has overlapped.

This is the idea. But eh I  I don't distinguish between the  the numbers of eh speaker. Uh , I 'm not considering  eh the  the  ehm  eh , the fact of eh , eh , for example , what did you say ? Eh at first eh , eh two talkers are uh , eh speaking , and eh , eh a third person eh join to  to that. For me , it 's eh  it 's eh , all overlap zone , with eh several numbers of speakers is eh , eh the same acoustic event. Wi - but  uh , without any mark between the zone  of the overlapping zone with two speakers eh speaking together , and the zone with the three speakers.


This is the idea. But eh I  I don't distinguish between the  the numbers of eh speaker. Uh , I 'm not considering  eh the  the  ehm  eh , the fact of eh , eh , for example , what did you say ? Eh at first eh , eh two talkers are uh , eh speaking , and eh , eh a third person eh join to  to that. For me , it 's eh  it 's eh , all overlap zone , with eh several numbers of speakers is eh , eh the same acoustic event. Wi - but  uh , without any mark between the zone  of the overlapping zone with two speakers eh speaking together , and the zone with the three speakers.


Eh , with eh , a beginning mark and the ending mark. Because eh  for me , is the  is the zone with eh some kind of eh distortion the spectral.


Eh , with eh , a beginning mark and the ending mark. Because eh  for me , is the  is the zone with eh some kind of eh distortion the spectral.

I don't mind  By the moment , by the moment.


Eh , with eh , a beginning mark and the ending mark. Because eh  for me , is the  is the zone with eh some kind of eh distortion the spectral.

I don't mind  By the moment , by the moment.

Well , but  But you could imagine that three people talking has a different spectral characteristic than two.


I don't mind  By the moment , by the moment.

Well , but  But you could imagine that three people talking has a different spectral characteristic than two.

I  I don't  Yeah , but eh  but eh I have to study.  What will happen in a general way ,


Well , but  But you could imagine that three people talking has a different spectral characteristic than two.

I  I don't  Yeah , but eh  but eh I have to study.  What will happen in a general way ,


I  I don't  Yeah , but eh  but eh I have to study.  What will happen in a general way ,


I   I don't know what eh will  will happen with the


So again , that 's  that 's three  three hundred in forty - five minutes that are  that are speakers , just speakers.


But a thousand events in twelve minutes , that 's


Well , but a thousand taps in eight minutes is a l in twelve minutes is a lot.


Well , but a thousand taps in eight minutes is a l in twelve minutes is a lot.

I  I con I consider  I consider acoustic events eh , the silent too.


I  I con I consider  I consider acoustic events eh , the silent too.


I  I con I consider  I consider acoustic events eh , the silent too.

Yeah , silent , ground to  bec to detect  eh because I consider acoustic event all the things are not eh speech.


Yeah , silent , ground to  bec to detect  eh because I consider acoustic event all the things are not eh speech.


In ge in  in  in a general point of view.


In ge in  in  in a general point of view.

OK , so how many of those thousand were silence ?


OK , so how many of those thousand were silence ?


OK , so how many of those thousand were silence ?

Not speech  not speech or too much speech.


Not speech  not speech or too much speech.


Not speech  not speech or too much speech.

Right. So how many of those thousand were silence , silent sections ?


Not speech  not speech or too much speech.

Right. So how many of those thousand were silence , silent sections ?

Yeah. Uh silent , I  I  I  I don't  I  I haven't the  eh I  I would like to  to do a stylistic study


Right. So how many of those thousand were silence , silent sections ?

Yeah. Uh silent , I  I  I  I don't  I  I haven't the  eh I  I would like to  to do a stylistic study


Right. So how many of those thousand were silence , silent sections ?

Yeah. Uh silent , I  I  I  I don't  I  I haven't the  eh I  I would like to  to do a stylistic study

and give you eh with the report eh from eh the  the study from the  the  the session  one session.


Yeah. Uh silent , I  I  I  I don't  I  I haven't the  eh I  I would like to  to do a stylistic study

and give you eh with the report eh from eh the  the study from the  the  the session  one session.


and give you eh with the report eh from eh the  the study from the  the  the session  one session.

And I  I found that eh another thing. When eh  eh I w I   I was eh look at eh nnn , the difference speech file , um , for example , eh if eh we use the ehm  the mixed file , to  to transcribe , the  the events and the words , I  I saw that eh the eh speech signal , collected by the eh this kind of mike  eh of this kind of mike , eh are different from the eh mixed signal eh , we eh  collected by headphone.


And I  I found that eh another thing. When eh  eh I w I   I was eh look at eh nnn , the difference speech file , um , for example , eh if eh we use the ehm  the mixed file , to  to transcribe , the  the events and the words , I  I saw that eh the eh speech signal , collected by the eh this kind of mike  eh of this kind of mike , eh are different from the eh mixed signal eh , we eh  collected by headphone.


But the problem is  the following. The  the  the  I  I  I knew that eh the signal eh , eh would be different , but eh the  the problem is eh , eh we eh detected eh difference events in the speech file eh collected by  by that mike uh qui compared with the mixed file. And so if  when you transcribe eh only eh using the nnn  the mixed file , it 's possible  eh if you use the transcription to evaluate a different system , it 's possible you eh  in the eh i and you use the eh speech file collected by the eh fet mike , to eh  to nnn  to do the experiments  with the  the system ,


But the problem is  the following. The  the  the  I  I  I knew that eh the signal eh , eh would be different , but eh the  the problem is eh , eh we eh detected eh difference events in the speech file eh collected by  by that mike uh qui compared with the mixed file. And so if  when you transcribe eh only eh using the nnn  the mixed file , it 's possible  eh if you use the transcription to evaluate a different system , it 's possible you eh  in the eh i and you use the eh speech file collected by the eh fet mike , to eh  to nnn  to do the experiments  with the  the system ,

its possible to evaluate eh , eh  or to consider eh acoustic events that  which you marked eh in the mixed file , but eh they don't appear in the eh speech signal eh collected by the  by the mike.


its possible to evaluate eh , eh  or to consider eh acoustic events that  which you marked eh in the mixed file , but eh they don't appear in the eh speech signal eh collected by the  by the mike.

Right. The  the reason that I generated the mixed file was for IBM to do word level transcription , not speech event transcription.


its possible to evaluate eh , eh  or to consider eh acoustic events that  which you marked eh in the mixed file , but eh they don't appear in the eh speech signal eh collected by the  by the mike.

Right. The  the reason that I generated the mixed file was for IBM to do word level transcription , not speech event transcription.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh , it 's a good idea. It 's a good idea I think.


its possible to evaluate eh , eh  or to consider eh acoustic events that  which you marked eh in the mixed file , but eh they don't appear in the eh speech signal eh collected by the  by the mike.

Right. The  the reason that I generated the mixed file was for IBM to do word level transcription , not speech event transcription.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh , it 's a good idea. It 's a good idea I think.

So I agree that if someone wants to do speech event transcription , that the mixed signals here


Right. The  the reason that I generated the mixed file was for IBM to do word level transcription , not speech event transcription.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh , it 's a good idea. It 's a good idea I think.

So I agree that if someone wants to do speech event transcription , that the mixed signals here


Yeah. Yeah. Oh , it 's a good idea. It 's a good idea I think.

So I agree that if someone wants to do speech event transcription , that the mixed signals here

I mean , if I 'm tapping on the table , you it 's not gonna show up on any of the mikes , but it 's gonna show up rather loudly in the PZM.


So I agree that if someone wants to do speech event transcription , that the mixed signals here

I mean , if I 'm tapping on the table , you it 's not gonna show up on any of the mikes , but it 's gonna show up rather loudly in the PZM.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So and I  I   I say eh that eh , eh , or this eh only because eh I c I  I   in my opinion , it 's necessary to eh  to eh  to put the transcription on the speech file , collected by the objective signal.


I mean , if I 'm tapping on the table , you it 's not gonna show up on any of the mikes , but it 's gonna show up rather loudly in the PZM.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So and I  I   I say eh that eh , eh , or this eh only because eh I c I  I   in my opinion , it 's necessary to eh  to eh  to put the transcription on the speech file , collected by the objective signal.


I mean , if I 'm tapping on the table , you it 's not gonna show up on any of the mikes , but it 's gonna show up rather loudly in the PZM.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So and I  I   I say eh that eh , eh , or this eh only because eh I c I  I   in my opinion , it 's necessary to eh  to eh  to put the transcription on the speech file , collected by the objective signal.

I mean the  the  the signal collected by the  eh , the real mike in the future , in the prototype to  to eh correct the initial eh segmentation eh with the eh real speech


Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So and I  I   I say eh that eh , eh , or this eh only because eh I c I  I   in my opinion , it 's necessary to eh  to eh  to put the transcription on the speech file , collected by the objective signal.

I mean the  the  the signal collected by the  eh , the real mike in the future , in the prototype to  to eh correct the initial eh segmentation eh with the eh real speech

Mm - hmm. The  the  the far - field , yeah.


I mean the  the  the signal collected by the  eh , the real mike in the future , in the prototype to  to eh correct the initial eh segmentation eh with the eh real speech

Mm - hmm. The  the  the far - field , yeah.

you have to  to analyze  you have to  to process. Because I  I found a difference.


I mean the  the  the signal collected by the  eh , the real mike in the future , in the prototype to  to eh correct the initial eh segmentation eh with the eh real speech

Mm - hmm. The  the  the far - field , yeah.

you have to  to analyze  you have to  to process. Because I  I found a difference.

Yeah , well , just  I mean , just in that  that one s ten second , or whatever it was , example that Adam had that  that we  we passed on to others a few months ago , there was that business where I g I guess it was Adam and Jane were talking at the same time and  and uh , in the close - talking mikes you couldn't hear the overlap , and in the distant mike you could. So yeah , it 's clear that if you wanna study  if you wanna find all the places where there were overlap , it 's probably better to use a distant mike.


Mm - hmm. The  the  the far - field , yeah.

you have to  to analyze  you have to  to process. Because I  I found a difference.

Yeah , well , just  I mean , just in that  that one s ten second , or whatever it was , example that Adam had that  that we  we passed on to others a few months ago , there was that business where I g I guess it was Adam and Jane were talking at the same time and  and uh , in the close - talking mikes you couldn't hear the overlap , and in the distant mike you could. So yeah , it 's clear that if you wanna study  if you wanna find all the places where there were overlap , it 's probably better to use a distant mike.


you have to  to analyze  you have to  to process. Because I  I found a difference.

Yeah , well , just  I mean , just in that  that one s ten second , or whatever it was , example that Adam had that  that we  we passed on to others a few months ago , there was that business where I g I guess it was Adam and Jane were talking at the same time and  and uh , in the close - talking mikes you couldn't hear the overlap , and in the distant mike you could. So yeah , it 's clear that if you wanna study  if you wanna find all the places where there were overlap , it 's probably better to use a distant mike.

On the other hand , there 's other phenomena that are going on at the same time for which it might be useful to look at the close - talking mikes ,


Yeah , well , just  I mean , just in that  that one s ten second , or whatever it was , example that Adam had that  that we  we passed on to others a few months ago , there was that business where I g I guess it was Adam and Jane were talking at the same time and  and uh , in the close - talking mikes you couldn't hear the overlap , and in the distant mike you could. So yeah , it 's clear that if you wanna study  if you wanna find all the places where there were overlap , it 's probably better to use a distant mike.

On the other hand , there 's other phenomena that are going on at the same time for which it might be useful to look at the close - talking mikes ,


On the other hand , there 's other phenomena that are going on at the same time for which it might be useful to look at the close - talking mikes ,

But why can't you use the combination of the close - talking mikes , time aligned ?


But why can't you use the combination of the close - talking mikes , time aligned ?

If you use the combination of the close - talking mikes , you would hear Jane interrupting me , but you wouldn't hear the paper rustling. And so if you 're interested in


But why can't you use the combination of the close - talking mikes , time aligned ?

If you use the combination of the close - talking mikes , you would hear Jane interrupting me , but you wouldn't hear the paper rustling. And so if you 're interested in

I  I mean if you 're interested in speakers overlapping other speakers and not the other kinds of nonspeech , that 's not a problem ,


If you use the combination of the close - talking mikes , you would hear Jane interrupting me , but you wouldn't hear the paper rustling. And so if you 're interested in

I  I mean if you 're interested in speakers overlapping other speakers and not the other kinds of nonspeech , that 's not a problem ,


I  I mean if you 're interested in speakers overlapping other speakers and not the other kinds of nonspeech , that 's not a problem ,

Were you interrupting him or was he interrupting you ?


Were you interrupting him or was he interrupting you ?


Although the other issue is that the  mixed close - talking mikes  I mean , I 'm doing weird normalizations and things like that.


Although the other issue is that the  mixed close - talking mikes  I mean , I 'm doing weird normalizations and things like that.

I mean , the normalization you do is over the whole conversation


I mean , the normalization you do is over the whole conversation


So if you wanted to study people overlapping people , that 's not a problem.


So if you wanted to study people overlapping people , that 's not a problem.

I  I  I think eh I saw the nnn  the  eh but eh I eh  I have eh any results. I  I  I saw the  the speech file collected by eh the fet mike , and eh eh signal eh to eh  to noise eh relation is eh low. It 's low.


So if you wanted to study people overlapping people , that 's not a problem.

I  I  I think eh I saw the nnn  the  eh but eh I eh  I have eh any results. I  I  I saw the  the speech file collected by eh the fet mike , and eh eh signal eh to eh  to noise eh relation is eh low. It 's low.

It 's very low. You would comp if we compare it with eh the headphone.


I  I  I think eh I saw the nnn  the  eh but eh I eh  I have eh any results. I  I  I saw the  the speech file collected by eh the fet mike , and eh eh signal eh to eh  to noise eh relation is eh low. It 's low.

It 's very low. You would comp if we compare it with eh the headphone.


It 's very low. You would comp if we compare it with eh the headphone.

And I  I found that nnn  that eh ,  ehm , pr probably ,


And I  I found that nnn  that eh ,  ehm , pr probably ,

I 'm not sure eh by the moment , but it 's  it 's probably that eh a lot of eh ,  eh for example , in the overlapping zone , on eh  in  in several eh parts of the files where you  you can find eh , eh  eh , smooth eh eh speech eh from eh one eh eh talker in the  in the meeting ,


I 'm not sure eh by the moment , but it 's  it 's probably that eh a lot of eh ,  eh for example , in the overlapping zone , on eh  in  in several eh parts of the files where you  you can find eh , eh  eh , smooth eh eh speech eh from eh one eh eh talker in the  in the meeting ,

it 's probably in  in that eh  in  in those files you  you can not find  you can not process because eh it 's confused with  with noise.


it 's probably in  in that eh  in  in those files you  you can not find  you can not process because eh it 's confused with  with noise.

And there are  a lot of I think. But I have to study with more detail. But eh my idea is to  to process only  nnn , this eh  nnn , this kind of s of eh speech. Because I think it 's more realistic. I 'm not sure it 's a good idea , but eh


And there are  a lot of I think. But I have to study with more detail. But eh my idea is to  to process only  nnn , this eh  nnn , this kind of s of eh speech. Because I think it 's more realistic. I 'm not sure it 's a good idea , but eh

Well , it 's more realistic but it 'll  it 'll be a lot harder.


Well , it 's more realistic but it 'll  it 'll be a lot harder.

Well , it 'd be hard , but on the other hand as you point out , if your  if i if  if your concern is to get uh the overlapping people  people 's speech , you will  you will get that somewhat better.


Well , it 'd be hard , but on the other hand as you point out , if your  if i if  if your concern is to get uh the overlapping people  people 's speech , you will  you will get that somewhat better.

Um , Are you making any use  uh you were  you were working with th the data that had already been transcribed.


Um , Are you making any use  uh you were  you were working with th the data that had already been transcribed.


Now um did you make any use of that ? See I was wondering cuz we st we have these ten hours of other stuff that is not yet transcribed.


Now um did you make any use of that ? See I was wondering cuz we st we have these ten hours of other stuff that is not yet transcribed.

The  the transcription by Jane , t eh i eh , I  I  I want to use to  to nnn ,  eh to put  i i it 's a reference for me. But eh the transcription  eh for example , I  I don't  I  I 'm not interested in the  in the  in the words , transcription words , eh transcribed eh eh in  eh follow in the   in the  in the speech file , but eh eh Jane eh for example eh put a mark eh at the beginning eh of each eh talker , in the  in the meeting , um eh she  she nnn includes information about the zone where eh there are eh  there is an overlapping zone. But eh there isn't any  any mark , time  temporal mark , to  to c eh  to mmm   e - heh , to label  the beginning and the end of the  of the


The  the transcription by Jane , t eh i eh , I  I  I want to use to  to nnn ,  eh to put  i i it 's a reference for me. But eh the transcription  eh for example , I  I don't  I  I 'm not interested in the  in the  in the words , transcription words , eh transcribed eh eh in  eh follow in the   in the  in the speech file , but eh eh Jane eh for example eh put a mark eh at the beginning eh of each eh talker , in the  in the meeting , um eh she  she nnn includes information about the zone where eh there are eh  there is an overlapping zone. But eh there isn't any  any mark , time  temporal mark , to  to c eh  to mmm   e - heh , to label  the beginning and the end of the  of the


The  the transcription by Jane , t eh i eh , I  I  I want to use to  to nnn ,  eh to put  i i it 's a reference for me. But eh the transcription  eh for example , I  I don't  I  I 'm not interested in the  in the  in the words , transcription words , eh transcribed eh eh in  eh follow in the   in the  in the speech file , but eh eh Jane eh for example eh put a mark eh at the beginning eh of each eh talker , in the  in the meeting , um eh she  she nnn includes information about the zone where eh there are eh  there is an overlapping zone. But eh there isn't any  any mark , time  temporal mark , to  to c eh  to mmm   e - heh , to label  the beginning and the end of the  of the

ta I 'm  I  I  I think eh we need this information to


The  the transcription by Jane , t eh i eh , I  I  I want to use to  to nnn ,  eh to put  i i it 's a reference for me. But eh the transcription  eh for example , I  I don't  I  I 'm not interested in the  in the  in the words , transcription words , eh transcribed eh eh in  eh follow in the   in the  in the speech file , but eh eh Jane eh for example eh put a mark eh at the beginning eh of each eh talker , in the  in the meeting , um eh she  she nnn includes information about the zone where eh there are eh  there is an overlapping zone. But eh there isn't any  any mark , time  temporal mark , to  to c eh  to mmm   e - heh , to label  the beginning and the end of the  of the

ta I 'm  I  I  I think eh we need this information to

Right. So the twelve  you  you  it took you twelve hours  of course this included maybe some  some time where you were learning about what  what you wanted to do , but  but uh , it took you something like twelve hours to mark the forty - five minutes , your


ta I 'm  I  I  I think eh we need this information to

Right. So the twelve  you  you  it took you twelve hours  of course this included maybe some  some time where you were learning about what  what you wanted to do , but  but uh , it took you something like twelve hours to mark the forty - five minutes , your


Right. So the twelve  you  you  it took you twelve hours  of course this included maybe some  some time where you were learning about what  what you wanted to do , but  but uh , it took you something like twelve hours to mark the forty - five minutes , your


I thought you did forty - five minutes of


I thought you did forty - five minutes of

No , forty - five minutes is the  is the session , all the session.


I thought you did forty - five minutes of

No , forty - five minutes is the  is the session , all the session.

Oh , you haven't done the whole session.


No , forty - five minutes is the  is the session , all the session.

Oh , you haven't done the whole session.


Oh , you haven't done the whole session.


Oh , you haven't done the whole session.

Tw - twelve hours of work to   to segment eh and label eh twelve minutes from a session of part  of f


Tw - twelve hours of work to   to segment eh and label eh twelve minutes from a session of part  of f

Oh. So  let me back up again. So the  when you said there were three hundred speaker overlaps ,


Oh. So  let me back up again. So the  when you said there were three hundred speaker overlaps ,

No no no. I  I consider all the  all the session because eh I  I count the nnn  the nnn  the overlappings marked by  by Jane ,


No no no. I  I consider all the  all the session because eh I  I count the nnn  the nnn  the overlappings marked by  by Jane ,


No no no. I  I consider all the  all the session because eh I  I count the nnn  the nnn  the overlappings marked by  by Jane ,

in  in  in  in the  fin in  in the  forty - five minutes.


in  in  in  in the  fin in  in the  forty - five minutes.

OK. So it 's three hundred in forty - five minutes , but you have  you have time uh , uh marked  twelve minute  the  the  the um overlaps in twelve minutes of it.


OK. So it 's three hundred in forty - five minutes , but you have  you have time uh , uh marked  twelve minute  the  the  the um overlaps in twelve minutes of it.

So , can I ask   can I ask whether you found  uh , you know , how accurate uh Jane 's uh uh labels were as far as


So , can I ask   can I ask whether you found  uh , you know , how accurate uh Jane 's uh uh labels were as far as

Well , not just the overlaps , everything.


So , can I ask   can I ask whether you found  uh , you know , how accurate uh Jane 's uh uh labels were as far as

Well , not just the overlaps , everything.

you know , did she miss some overlaps ? or did she n ?


So , can I ask   can I ask whether you found  uh , you know , how accurate uh Jane 's uh uh labels were as far as

Well , not just the overlaps , everything.

you know , did she miss some overlaps ? or did she n ?

But , by  by the moment , I  I don't compare , my  my temporal mark with eh Jane , but eh I  I want to do it. Because eh eh i per perhaps I have eh errors in the  in the marks , I  and if I  I compare with eh Jane , it 's probably I  I  I can correct and  and  and  to get eh eh a more accurately eh eh transcription in the file.


Well , not just the overlaps , everything.

you know , did she miss some overlaps ? or did she n ?

But , by  by the moment , I  I don't compare , my  my temporal mark with eh Jane , but eh I  I want to do it. Because eh eh i per perhaps I have eh errors in the  in the marks , I  and if I  I compare with eh Jane , it 's probably I  I  I can correct and  and  and  to get eh eh a more accurately eh eh transcription in the file.


you know , did she miss some overlaps ? or did she n ?

But , by  by the moment , I  I don't compare , my  my temporal mark with eh Jane , but eh I  I want to do it. Because eh eh i per perhaps I have eh errors in the  in the marks , I  and if I  I compare with eh Jane , it 's probably I  I  I can correct and  and  and  to get eh eh a more accurately eh eh transcription in the file.

Well , also Jane  Jane was doing word level.


But , by  by the moment , I  I don't compare , my  my temporal mark with eh Jane , but eh I  I want to do it. Because eh eh i per perhaps I have eh errors in the  in the marks , I  and if I  I compare with eh Jane , it 's probably I  I  I can correct and  and  and  to get eh eh a more accurately eh eh transcription in the file.

Well , also Jane  Jane was doing word level.


Well , also Jane  Jane was doing word level.


Well , also Jane  Jane was doing word level.

So we weren't concerned with  exactly when an overlap started and stopped.


So we weren't concerned with  exactly when an overlap started and stopped.


So we weren't concerned with  exactly when an overlap started and stopped.

Well , not only a word level , but actually


Well , not only a word level , but actually


I mean , you didn't need to show the exact point of interruption , you just were showing at the level of the phrase or the level of the speech spurt , or


Well , yeah , b yeah , I would say time bin. So my  my goal is to get words with reference to a time bin ,  beginning and end point.


And  and sometimes , you know , it was like you could have an overlap where someone said something in the middle ,


And  and sometimes , you know , it was like you could have an overlap where someone said something in the middle ,

but , yeah , w it just wasn't important for our purposes to have it that  i disrupt that unit in order to have , you know , a the words in the order in which they were spoken , it would have  it would have been hard with the interface that we have.


but , yeah , w it just wasn't important for our purposes to have it that  i disrupt that unit in order to have , you know , a the words in the order in which they were spoken , it would have  it would have been hard with the interface that we have.

Now , my  a Adam 's working on a of course , on a revised overlapping interface ,


Now , my  a Adam 's working on a of course , on a revised overlapping interface ,


Now , my  a Adam 's working on a of course , on a revised overlapping interface ,

I  I  I think  It 's  it 's a good eh work ,


I  I  I think  It 's  it 's a good eh work ,


I  I  I think  It 's  it 's a good eh work ,

but eh I think we need eh eh more information.


but eh I think we need eh eh more information.


but eh I think we need eh eh more information.

I expect you to find more overlaps than  than Jane


I expect you to find more overlaps than  than Jane


because you 're looking at it at a much more detailed level.


because you 're looking at it at a much more detailed level.

I want eh  I wanted to eh compare the  the transcription.


I want eh  I wanted to eh compare the  the transcription.

Well , I but I have a suggestion about that. Um , obviously this is very , very time - consuming , and you 're finding lots of things which I 'm sure are gonna be very interesting , but in the interests of making progress , uh might I s how  how would it affect your time if you only marked speaker overlaps ?


Well , I but I have a suggestion about that. Um , obviously this is very , very time - consuming , and you 're finding lots of things which I 'm sure are gonna be very interesting , but in the interests of making progress , uh might I s how  how would it affect your time if you only marked speaker overlaps ?


but only mark speaker  Do you think that would speed it up quite a bit ?


but only mark speaker  Do you think that would speed it up quite a bit ?

Do y do you think that would speed it up ? Uh , speed up your  your  your marking ?


Do y do you think that would speed it up ? Uh , speed up your  your  your marking ?

It took you a long time  to mark twelve minutes.


It took you a long time  to mark twelve minutes.

Now , my suggestion was for the other thirty - three


It took you a long time  to mark twelve minutes.

Now , my suggestion was for the other thirty - three

On - only to mark  only to mark overlapping zone , but


Now , my suggestion was for the other thirty - three

On - only to mark  only to mark overlapping zone , but

Yeah , and my question is , if you did that , if you followed my suggestion , would it take much less time ?


On - only to mark  only to mark overlapping zone , but

Yeah , and my question is , if you did that , if you followed my suggestion , would it take much less time ?


Yeah , and my question is , if you did that , if you followed my suggestion , would it take much less time ?


Then I think it 's a good idea , because it


Then I think it 's a good idea , because it

Sure , because I  I need a lot of time to  to put the label or to do that. Yeah.


Then I think it 's a good idea , because it

Sure , because I  I need a lot of time to  to put the label or to do that. Yeah.

Yeah , I mean , we we know that there 's noise.


Sure , because I  I need a lot of time to  to put the label or to do that. Yeah.

Yeah , I mean , we we know that there 's noise.


Yeah , I mean , we we know that there 's noise.

There 's  there 's uh continual noise uh from fans and so forth , and there is uh more impulsive noise from uh taps and so forth


There 's  there 's uh continual noise uh from fans and so forth , and there is uh more impulsive noise from uh taps and so forth


There 's  there 's uh continual noise uh from fans and so forth , and there is uh more impulsive noise from uh taps and so forth

and  and something in between with paper rustling. We know that all that 's there and it 's a g worthwhile thing to study , but obviously it takes a lot of time to mark all of these things.


and  and something in between with paper rustling. We know that all that 's there and it 's a g worthwhile thing to study , but obviously it takes a lot of time to mark all of these things.

Whereas th i I would think that uh you  we can study more or less as a distinct phenomenon the overlapping of people talking.


Whereas th i I would think that uh you  we can study more or less as a distinct phenomenon the overlapping of people talking.

So. Then you can get the  Cuz you need  If it 's three hundred uh  i i it sounds like you probably only have fifty or sixty or seventy events right now that are really


So. Then you can get the  Cuz you need  If it 's three hundred uh  i i it sounds like you probably only have fifty or sixty or seventy events right now that are really

And  and you need to have a lot more than that to have any kind of uh even visual sense of  of what 's going on , much less any kind of reasonable statistics.


And  and you need to have a lot more than that to have any kind of uh even visual sense of  of what 's going on , much less any kind of reasonable statistics.

Now , why do you need to mark speaker overlap by hand if you can infer it from the relative energy in the


And  and you need to have a lot more than that to have any kind of uh even visual sense of  of what 's going on , much less any kind of reasonable statistics.

Now , why do you need to mark speaker overlap by hand if you can infer it from the relative energy in the

Well , that 's  That 's what I was gonna bring up.


Now , why do you need to mark speaker overlap by hand if you can infer it from the relative energy in the

Well , that 's  That 's what I was gonna bring up.

I mean , you shouldn't need to do this p completely by hand ,


Now , why do you need to mark speaker overlap by hand if you can infer it from the relative energy in the

Well , that 's  That 's what I was gonna bring up.

I mean , you shouldn't need to do this p completely by hand ,

Um , OK , yeah. So let 's back up because you weren't here for an earlier conversation.


Well , that 's  That 's what I was gonna bring up.

I mean , you shouldn't need to do this p completely by hand ,

Um , OK , yeah. So let 's back up because you weren't here for an earlier conversation.


I mean , you shouldn't need to do this p completely by hand ,

Um , OK , yeah. So let 's back up because you weren't here for an earlier conversation.

So the idea was that what he was going to be doing was experimenting with different measures such as the increase in energy , such as the energy in the LPC residuals , such as  I mean there 's a bunch of things  I mean , increased energy is - is sort of an obvious one.


Um , OK , yeah. So let 's back up because you weren't here for an earlier conversation.

So the idea was that what he was going to be doing was experimenting with different measures such as the increase in energy , such as the energy in the LPC residuals , such as  I mean there 's a bunch of things  I mean , increased energy is - is sort of an obvious one.


So the idea was that what he was going to be doing was experimenting with different measures such as the increase in energy , such as the energy in the LPC residuals , such as  I mean there 's a bunch of things  I mean , increased energy is - is sort of an obvious one.


Um , and uh , it 's not obvious , I mean , you could  you could do the dumbest thing and get  get it ninety percent of the time. But when you start going past that and trying to do better , it 's not obvious what combination of features is gonna give you the  you know , the right detector. So the idea is to have some ground truth first. And so the i the idea of the manual marking was to say " OK this , i you know , it 's  it 's really here ".


Um , and uh , it 's not obvious , I mean , you could  you could do the dumbest thing and get  get it ninety percent of the time. But when you start going past that and trying to do better , it 's not obvious what combination of features is gonna give you the  you know , the right detector. So the idea is to have some ground truth first. And so the i the idea of the manual marking was to say " OK this , i you know , it 's  it 's really here ".

But I think Liz is saying why not get it out of the transcripts ?


Um , and uh , it 's not obvious , I mean , you could  you could do the dumbest thing and get  get it ninety percent of the time. But when you start going past that and trying to do better , it 's not obvious what combination of features is gonna give you the  you know , the right detector. So the idea is to have some ground truth first. And so the i the idea of the manual marking was to say " OK this , i you know , it 's  it 's really here ".

But I think Liz is saying why not get it out of the transcripts ?

What I mean is  get it from the close - talking mikes.


But I think Liz is saying why not get it out of the transcripts ?

What I mean is  get it from the close - talking mikes.


What I mean is  get it from the close - talking mikes.


and then go through sort of  It 'd be a lot faster probably to


and then go through sort of  It 'd be a lot faster probably to

We  we  we talked about that. s But so it 's a bootstrapping thing and the thing is ,


We  we  we talked about that. s But so it 's a bootstrapping thing and the thing is ,


We  we  we talked about that. s But so it 's a bootstrapping thing and the thing is ,

the idea was , i we i i we thought it would be useful for him to look at the data anyway , and  and then whatever he could mark would be helpful ,


the idea was , i we i i we thought it would be useful for him to look at the data anyway , and  and then whatever he could mark would be helpful ,

and we could  Uh it 's a question of what you bootstrap from. You know , do you bootstrap from a simple measurement which is right most of the time and then you g do better , or do you bootstrap from some human being looking at it and then  then do your simple measurements , uh from the close - talking mike. I mean , even with the close - talking mike you 're not gonna get it right all the time.


the idea was , i we i i we thought it would be useful for him to look at the data anyway , and  and then whatever he could mark would be helpful ,

and we could  Uh it 's a question of what you bootstrap from. You know , do you bootstrap from a simple measurement which is right most of the time and then you g do better , or do you bootstrap from some human being looking at it and then  then do your simple measurements , uh from the close - talking mike. I mean , even with the close - talking mike you 're not gonna get it right all the time.

Well , that 's what I wonder , because um  or how bad it is ,


and we could  Uh it 's a question of what you bootstrap from. You know , do you bootstrap from a simple measurement which is right most of the time and then you g do better , or do you bootstrap from some human being looking at it and then  then do your simple measurements , uh from the close - talking mike. I mean , even with the close - talking mike you 're not gonna get it right all the time.

Well , that 's what I wonder , because um  or how bad it is ,


and we could  Uh it 's a question of what you bootstrap from. You know , do you bootstrap from a simple measurement which is right most of the time and then you g do better , or do you bootstrap from some human being looking at it and then  then do your simple measurements , uh from the close - talking mike. I mean , even with the close - talking mike you 're not gonna get it right all the time.

Well , that 's what I wonder , because um  or how bad it is ,

be um , because that would be interesting


Well , that 's what I wonder , because um  or how bad it is ,

be um , because that would be interesting

I 'm working on a program to do that , and


be um , because that would be interesting

I 'm working on a program to do that , and

especially because the bottleneck is the transcription. Right ? I mean , we 've got a lot more data than we have transcriptions for. We have the audio data , we have the close - talking mike ,


I 'm working on a program to do that , and

especially because the bottleneck is the transcription. Right ? I mean , we 've got a lot more data than we have transcriptions for. We have the audio data , we have the close - talking mike ,

so I mean it seems like one kind of project that 's not perfect , but  um , that you can get the training data for pretty quickly is , you know , if you infer form the close - talking mikes where the on - off points are of speech ,


especially because the bottleneck is the transcription. Right ? I mean , we 've got a lot more data than we have transcriptions for. We have the audio data , we have the close - talking mike ,

so I mean it seems like one kind of project that 's not perfect , but  um , that you can get the training data for pretty quickly is , you know , if you infer form the close - talking mikes where the on - off points are of speech ,


so I mean it seems like one kind of project that 's not perfect , but  um , that you can get the training data for pretty quickly is , you know , if you infer form the close - talking mikes where the on - off points are of speech ,

you know , how can we detect that from a far - field ?


you know , how can we detect that from a far - field ?


you know , how can we detect that from a far - field ?

I 've  I 've written a program to do that ,


I 've  I 've written a program to do that ,


and  so  but it 's  it 's doing something very , very simple. It just takes a threshold , based on  on the volume ,


and  so  but it 's  it 's doing something very , very simple. It just takes a threshold , based on  on the volume ,

Or you can set the threshold low and then weed out the false alarms by hand.


Or you can set the threshold low and then weed out the false alarms by hand.


Or you can set the threshold low and then weed out the false alarms by hand.

um , and then it does a median filter , and then it looks for runs. And , it seems to work , I 've  I 'm sort of fiddling with the parameters , to get it to actually generate something , and I haven't  I don't  what I 'm working on  was working on  was getting it to a form where we can import it into the user interface that we have ,  into Transcriber. And so  I told  I said it would take about a day. I 've worked on it for about half a day ,


um , and then it does a median filter , and then it looks for runs. And , it seems to work , I 've  I 'm sort of fiddling with the parameters , to get it to actually generate something , and I haven't  I don't  what I 'm working on  was working on  was getting it to a form where we can import it into the user interface that we have ,  into Transcriber. And so  I told  I said it would take about a day. I 've worked on it for about half a day ,


um , and then it does a median filter , and then it looks for runs. And , it seems to work , I 've  I 'm sort of fiddling with the parameters , to get it to actually generate something , and I haven't  I don't  what I 'm working on  was working on  was getting it to a form where we can import it into the user interface that we have ,  into Transcriber. And so  I told  I said it would take about a day. I 've worked on it for about half a day ,

so give me another half day and I we 'll have something we can play with.


so give me another half day and I we 'll have something we can play with.

See , this is where we really need the Meeting Recorder query stuff to be working , because we 've had these meetings and we 've had this discussion about this , and I 'm sort of remembering a little bit about what we decided ,


See , this is where we really need the Meeting Recorder query stuff to be working , because we 've had these meetings and we 've had this discussion about this , and I 'm sort of remembering a little bit about what we decided ,


So , I think it was partly that , you know , give somebody a chance to actually look at the data and see what these are like , partly that we have e some ground truth to compare against , you know , when  when he  he gets his thing going ,


So , I think it was partly that , you know , give somebody a chance to actually look at the data and see what these are like , partly that we have e some ground truth to compare against , you know , when  when he  he gets his thing going ,

Well , it 's definitely good to have somebody look at it. I was just thinking as a way to speed up you know , the amount of


Well , it 's definitely good to have somebody look at it. I was just thinking as a way to speed up you know , the amount of


Well , it 's definitely good to have somebody look at it. I was just thinking as a way to speed up you know , the amount of

That was  that was exactly the notion that  that  that we discussed.


That was  that was exactly the notion that  that  that we discussed.


Was that um there m  there was this already a script I believe uh that Dan had written ,  that uh handle bleedthrough , I mean cuz you have this  this close  you have contamination from other people who speak loudly.


Was that um there m  there was this already a script I believe uh that Dan had written ,  that uh handle bleedthrough , I mean cuz you have this  this close  you have contamination from other people who speak loudly.

Yeah , and I haven't tried using that. It would probably help the program that I 'm doing to first feed it through that. It 's a cross - correlation filter. So I  I haven't tried that , but that  If  It  it might be something  it might be a good way of cleaning it up a little.


Was that um there m  there was this already a script I believe uh that Dan had written ,  that uh handle bleedthrough , I mean cuz you have this  this close  you have contamination from other people who speak loudly.

Yeah , and I haven't tried using that. It would probably help the program that I 'm doing to first feed it through that. It 's a cross - correlation filter. So I  I haven't tried that , but that  If  It  it might be something  it might be a good way of cleaning it up a little.

So , some thought of maybe having  Yeah , having that be a preprocessor and then run it through yours.


Yeah , and I haven't tried using that. It would probably help the program that I 'm doing to first feed it through that. It 's a cross - correlation filter. So I  I haven't tried that , but that  If  It  it might be something  it might be a good way of cleaning it up a little.

So , some thought of maybe having  Yeah , having that be a preprocessor and then run it through yours.


So , some thought of maybe having  Yeah , having that be a preprocessor and then run it through yours.


and I think we wanna see  try the simple thing first , cuz you add this complex thing up uh afterwards that does something good y y yo you sort of wanna see what the simple thing does first.


and I think we wanna see  try the simple thing first , cuz you add this complex thing up uh afterwards that does something good y y yo you sort of wanna see what the simple thing does first.

But uh , having  having somebody have some experience , again , with  with uh  with marking it from a human standpoint , we 're  I mean , I don't expect Jose to  to do it for uh f fifty hours of   of speech , but I mean we   if uh  if he could speed up what he was doing by just getting the speaker overlaps so that we had it , say , for forty - five minutes , then at least we 'd have three hundred examples of it.


But uh , having  having somebody have some experience , again , with  with uh  with marking it from a human standpoint , we 're  I mean , I don't expect Jose to  to do it for uh f fifty hours of   of speech , but I mean we   if uh  if he could speed up what he was doing by just getting the speaker overlaps so that we had it , say , for forty - five minutes , then at least we 'd have three hundred examples of it.

And when  when uh Adam was doing his automatic thing he could then compare to that and see what it was different.


And when  when uh Adam was doing his automatic thing he could then compare to that and see what it was different.

You know , I did  I did uh something almost identical to this at one of my previous jobs , and it works pretty well. I mean , i almost exactly what you described , an energy detector with a median filter , you look for runs. And uh , you know , you can


You know , I did  I did uh something almost identical to this at one of my previous jobs , and it works pretty well. I mean , i almost exactly what you described , an energy detector with a median filter , you look for runs. And uh , you know , you can

Yeah. I mean , you  you can get y I mean , you get them pretty close.


Yeah. I mean , you  you can get y I mean , you get them pretty close.

And so I think doing that to generate these possibilities and then going through and saying yes or no on them would be a quick way to  to do it.


And so I think doing that to generate these possibilities and then going through and saying yes or no on them would be a quick way to  to do it.


It was when I was working for the government.


It was when I was working for the government.

Oh , then everybody owns it. It 's the people.


It was when I was working for the government.

Oh , then everybody owns it. It 's the people.

Well , I mean , is this something that we could just co - opt , or is it  ?


Oh , then everybody owns it. It 's the people.

Well , I mean , is this something that we could just co - opt , or is it  ?


Well , I mean , is this something that we could just co - opt , or is it  ?

Well , i i i he 's pretty close , anyway. I think  I think it 's


Well , i i i he 's pretty close , anyway. I think  I think it 's

Yeah , he 's  it  it doesn't take a long time.


Well , i i i he 's pretty close , anyway. I think  I think it 's

Yeah , he 's  it  it doesn't take a long time.

Right. I just thought if it was tried and true , then   and he 's gone through additional levels of  of development.


Well , i i i he 's pretty close , anyway. I think  I think it 's

Yeah , he 's  it  it doesn't take a long time.

Right. I just thought if it was tried and true , then   and he 's gone through additional levels of  of development.

Just output. Although if you  if you have some parameters like what 's a good window size for the median filter


Yeah , he 's  it  it doesn't take a long time.

Right. I just thought if it was tried and true , then   and he 's gone through additional levels of  of development.

Just output. Although if you  if you have some parameters like what 's a good window size for the median filter

Oh !  I have to remember. I 'll think about it , and try to remember.


Right. I just thought if it was tried and true , then   and he 's gone through additional levels of  of development.

Just output. Although if you  if you have some parameters like what 's a good window size for the median filter

Oh !  I have to remember. I 'll think about it , and try to remember.

And it might be different for government people.


Just output. Although if you  if you have some parameters like what 's a good window size for the median filter

Oh !  I have to remember. I 'll think about it , and try to remember.

And it might be different for government people.


Oh !  I have to remember. I 'll think about it , and try to remember.

And it might be different for government people.

Yeah , good enough for government work , as they say.


And it might be different for government people.

Yeah , good enough for government work , as they say.


Yeah , good enough for government work , as they say.

Di - dif different  different bandwidth.


Di - dif different  different bandwidth.

I was doing pretty short , you know , tenth of a second ,  sorts of numbers.


I was doing pretty short , you know , tenth of a second ,  sorts of numbers.

Uh , I don't know , it  if  if we want to uh  So , uh , maybe we should move on to other  other things in limited time.


I was doing pretty short , you know , tenth of a second ,  sorts of numbers.

Uh , I don't know , it  if  if we want to uh  So , uh , maybe we should move on to other  other things in limited time.

Can I ask one question about his statistics ? So  so in the tw twelve minutes , um , if we took three hundred and divided it by four , which is about the length of twelve minutes , i Um , I 'd expect like there should be seventy - five overlaps.


Uh , I don't know , it  if  if we want to uh  So , uh , maybe we should move on to other  other things in limited time.

Can I ask one question about his statistics ? So  so in the tw twelve minutes , um , if we took three hundred and divided it by four , which is about the length of twelve minutes , i Um , I 'd expect like there should be seventy - five overlaps.


Uh , I don't know , it  if  if we want to uh  So , uh , maybe we should move on to other  other things in limited time.

Can I ask one question about his statistics ? So  so in the tw twelve minutes , um , if we took three hundred and divided it by four , which is about the length of twelve minutes , i Um , I 'd expect like there should be seventy - five overlaps.

Did you find uh more than seventy - five overlaps in that period , or  ?


Can I ask one question about his statistics ? So  so in the tw twelve minutes , um , if we took three hundred and divided it by four , which is about the length of twelve minutes , i Um , I 'd expect like there should be seventy - five overlaps.

Did you find uh more than seventy - five overlaps in that period , or  ?


Did you find uh more than seventy - five overlaps in that period , or  ?

More than  How many overlaps in your twelve minutes ?


Did you find uh more than seventy - five overlaps in that period , or  ?

More than  How many overlaps in your twelve minutes ?

How many ? Eh , not @ @ I Onl - only I  I transcribe eh only twelve minutes from the


More than  How many overlaps in your twelve minutes ?

How many ? Eh , not @ @ I Onl - only I  I transcribe eh only twelve minutes from the


More than  How many overlaps in your twelve minutes ?

How many ? Eh , not @ @ I Onl - only I  I transcribe eh only twelve minutes from the

but eh I  I don't co eh  I don't count eh the  the overlap.


How many ? Eh , not @ @ I Onl - only I  I transcribe eh only twelve minutes from the

but eh I  I don't co eh  I don't count eh the  the overlap.


but eh I  I don't co eh  I don't count eh the  the overlap.

I consider I  I  The  the nnn  The  the three hundred is eh considered only you  your transcription. I have to   to finish transcribing. So.


but eh I  I don't co eh  I don't count eh the  the overlap.

I consider I  I  The  the nnn  The  the three hundred is eh considered only you  your transcription. I have to   to finish transcribing. So.

I b I bet they 're more , because the beginning of the meeting had a lot more overlaps than  than sort of the middle.


I consider I  I  The  the nnn  The  the three hundred is eh considered only you  your transcription. I have to   to finish transcribing. So.

I b I bet they 're more , because the beginning of the meeting had a lot more overlaps than  than sort of the middle.


I b I bet they 're more , because the beginning of the meeting had a lot more overlaps than  than sort of the middle.


Because i we 're  we 're dealing with the  Uh , in the early meetings , we 're recording while we 're saying who 's talking on what microphone ,  and things like that ,


I 'm  I 'm not sure that the beginning had more.


I 'm  I 'm not sure that the beginning had more.

So  so I was gonna ask , I guess about any  any other things that  that  that either of you wanted to talk about , especially since Andreas is leaving in five minutes , that  that you wanna go with.


I 'm  I 'm not sure that the beginning had more.

So  so I was gonna ask , I guess about any  any other things that  that  that either of you wanted to talk about , especially since Andreas is leaving in five minutes , that  that you wanna go with.

Can I just ask about the data , like very straightforward question is where we are on the amount of data and the amount of transcribed data , just cuz I 'm  I wanted to get a feel for that to sort of be able to know what  what can be done first and like how many meetings are we recording


I 'm  I 'm not sure that the beginning had more.

So  so I was gonna ask , I guess about any  any other things that  that  that either of you wanted to talk about , especially since Andreas is leaving in five minutes , that  that you wanna go with.

Can I just ask about the data , like very straightforward question is where we are on the amount of data and the amount of transcribed data , just cuz I 'm  I wanted to get a feel for that to sort of be able to know what  what can be done first and like how many meetings are we recording

Right so there 's this  this  There 's this forty - five minute piece that Jane transcribed.


So  so I was gonna ask , I guess about any  any other things that  that  that either of you wanted to talk about , especially since Andreas is leaving in five minutes , that  that you wanna go with.

Can I just ask about the data , like very straightforward question is where we are on the amount of data and the amount of transcribed data , just cuz I 'm  I wanted to get a feel for that to sort of be able to know what  what can be done first and like how many meetings are we recording

Right so there 's this  this  There 's this forty - five minute piece that Jane transcribed.


Can I just ask about the data , like very straightforward question is where we are on the amount of data and the amount of transcribed data , just cuz I 'm  I wanted to get a feel for that to sort of be able to know what  what can be done first and like how many meetings are we recording

Right so there 's this  this  There 's this forty - five minute piece that Jane transcribed.

That piece was then uh sent to IBM so they could transcribe so we have some comparison point. Then there 's s a larger piece that 's been recorded and uh put on CD - ROM and sent uh to IBM. Right ? And then we don't know.


Right so there 's this  this  There 's this forty - five minute piece that Jane transcribed.

That piece was then uh sent to IBM so they could transcribe so we have some comparison point. Then there 's s a larger piece that 's been recorded and uh put on CD - ROM and sent uh to IBM. Right ? And then we don't know.

How many meetings is that ? Like  how many


That piece was then uh sent to IBM so they could transcribe so we have some comparison point. Then there 's s a larger piece that 's been recorded and uh put on CD - ROM and sent uh to IBM. Right ? And then we don't know.

How many meetings is that ? Like  how many


That piece was then uh sent to IBM so they could transcribe so we have some comparison point. Then there 's s a larger piece that 's been recorded and uh put on CD - ROM and sent uh to IBM. Right ? And then we don't know.

How many meetings is that ? Like  how many

That was about ten hours , and there was about


How many meetings is that ? Like  how many

That was about ten hours , and there was about

t ten  It 's like ten meetings or something ? Uh - huh.


That was about ten hours , and there was about

t ten  It 's like ten meetings or something ? Uh - huh.

Yeah , something like that. And then  then we


That was about ten hours , and there was about

t ten  It 's like ten meetings or something ? Uh - huh.

Yeah , something like that. And then  then we

Ten meetings that have been sent to IBM ?


t ten  It 's like ten meetings or something ? Uh - huh.

Yeah , something like that. And then  then we

Ten meetings that have been sent to IBM ?


Yeah , something like that. And then  then we

Ten meetings that have been sent to IBM ?


Ten meetings that have been sent to IBM ?

Well , I haven't sent them yet because I was having this problem with the  missing files.


Well , I haven't sent them yet because I was having this problem with the  missing files.

Oh. Oh , that 's right , that had  those have not been sent.


Well , I haven't sent them yet because I was having this problem with the  missing files.

Oh. Oh , that 's right , that had  those have not been sent.

H how many total have we recorded now , altogether ?


Oh. Oh , that 's right , that had  those have not been sent.

H how many total have we recorded now , altogether ?

About twelve  by now. Twelve or thirteen.


H how many total have we recorded now , altogether ?

About twelve  by now. Twelve or thirteen.

Uh - huh. And we 're recording only this meeting , like continuously we 're only recording this one now ? or  ?


About twelve  by now. Twelve or thirteen.

Uh - huh. And we 're recording only this meeting , like continuously we 're only recording this one now ? or  ?

No. No , so the  the  that 's the  that 's the biggest one  uh , chunk so far ,


Uh - huh. And we 're recording only this meeting , like continuously we 're only recording this one now ? or  ?

No. No , so the  the  that 's the  that 's the biggest one  uh , chunk so far ,


No. No , so the  the  that 's the  that 's the biggest one  uh , chunk so far ,


but there 's at least one meeting recorded of uh the uh uh natural language guys.


Uh , they do. w w And we talked to them about recording some more and we 're going to , uh , we 've started having a morning meeting , today uh i starting a w a week or two ago , on the uh front - end issues , and we 're recording those , uh there 's a network services and applications group here who 's agreed to have their meetings recorded ,


Uh , they do. w w And we talked to them about recording some more and we 're going to , uh , we 've started having a morning meeting , today uh i starting a w a week or two ago , on the uh front - end issues , and we 're recording those , uh there 's a network services and applications group here who 's agreed to have their meetings recorded ,

and we 're gonna start recording them. They 're  They meet on Tuesdays. We 're gonna start recording them next week. So actually , we 're gonna h start having a  a pretty significant chunk and so , you know ,  Adam 's sort of struggling with trying to get things to be less buggy , and come up quicker when they do crash and stuff  things like that , now that uh   the things are starting to happen. So right now , yeah , I th I 'd say the data is predominantly meeting meetings , but there are scattered other meetings in it and that  that amount is gonna grow uh so that the meeting meetings will probably ultimately  i if we 're  if we collect fifty or sixty hours , the meeting meetings it will probably be , you know , twenty or thirty percent of it , not  not  not eighty or ninety. But.


Uh , they do. w w And we talked to them about recording some more and we 're going to , uh , we 've started having a morning meeting , today uh i starting a w a week or two ago , on the uh front - end issues , and we 're recording those , uh there 's a network services and applications group here who 's agreed to have their meetings recorded ,

and we 're gonna start recording them. They 're  They meet on Tuesdays. We 're gonna start recording them next week. So actually , we 're gonna h start having a  a pretty significant chunk and so , you know ,  Adam 's sort of struggling with trying to get things to be less buggy , and come up quicker when they do crash and stuff  things like that , now that uh   the things are starting to happen. So right now , yeah , I th I 'd say the data is predominantly meeting meetings , but there are scattered other meetings in it and that  that amount is gonna grow uh so that the meeting meetings will probably ultimately  i if we 're  if we collect fifty or sixty hours , the meeting meetings it will probably be , you know , twenty or thirty percent of it , not  not  not eighty or ninety. But.

So there 's probably  there 's three to four a week ,


and we 're gonna start recording them. They 're  They meet on Tuesdays. We 're gonna start recording them next week. So actually , we 're gonna h start having a  a pretty significant chunk and so , you know ,  Adam 's sort of struggling with trying to get things to be less buggy , and come up quicker when they do crash and stuff  things like that , now that uh   the things are starting to happen. So right now , yeah , I th I 'd say the data is predominantly meeting meetings , but there are scattered other meetings in it and that  that amount is gonna grow uh so that the meeting meetings will probably ultimately  i if we 're  if we collect fifty or sixty hours , the meeting meetings it will probably be , you know , twenty or thirty percent of it , not  not  not eighty or ninety. But.

So there 's probably  there 's three to four a week ,


So there 's probably  there 's three to four a week ,


And they 're each about an hour or something.


And they 're each about an hour or something.

Although  Yeah. We 'll find out tomorrow whether we can really do this or not.


Although  Yeah. We 'll find out tomorrow whether we can really do this or not.

Yeah and th the  the other thing is I 'm not pos I 'm sort of thinking as we 've been through this a few times , that I really don't know  maybe you wanna do it once for the novelty , but I don't know if in general we wanna have meetings that we record from outside this group do the digits.