I think that would be a  I think that 's a big  big deal. Because the  you know , the thing that Sunil was talking about , uh , with the labels , uh , labeling the database when it got to the noisy stuff ? The  That  that really throws things off. You know , having the noise all of a sudden , your  your , um , speech detector , I mean the  the , um  What was it ? What was happening with his thing ?

He was running through these models very quickly. He was getting lots of , uh , uh insertions , is what it was , in his recognitions.

The only problem  I mean , maybe that 's the right thing  the only problem I have with it is exactly the same reason why you thought it 'd be a good thing to do. Um , I  I think that  Let 's fall back to that. But I think the first responsibility is sort of to figure out if there 's something  that , uh , an  an additional  Uh , that 's a good thing you  remove the mike. Go ahead , good. Uh , uh. What an additional clever person could help with when we 're really in a crunch for time. Right ? Cuz Dave 's gonna be around for a long time ,


He was running through these models very quickly. He was getting lots of , uh , uh insertions , is what it was , in his recognitions.

The only problem  I mean , maybe that 's the right thing  the only problem I have with it is exactly the same reason why you thought it 'd be a good thing to do. Um , I  I think that  Let 's fall back to that. But I think the first responsibility is sort of to figure out if there 's something  that , uh , an  an additional  Uh , that 's a good thing you  remove the mike. Go ahead , good. Uh , uh. What an additional clever person could help with when we 're really in a crunch for time. Right ? Cuz Dave 's gonna be around for a long time ,

right ? He 's  he 's gonna be here for years. And so , um ,


The only problem  I mean , maybe that 's the right thing  the only problem I have with it is exactly the same reason why you thought it 'd be a good thing to do. Um , I  I think that  Let 's fall back to that. But I think the first responsibility is sort of to figure out if there 's something  that , uh , an  an additional  Uh , that 's a good thing you  remove the mike. Go ahead , good. Uh , uh. What an additional clever person could help with when we 're really in a crunch for time. Right ? Cuz Dave 's gonna be around for a long time ,

right ? He 's  he 's gonna be here for years. And so , um ,


right ? He 's  he 's gonna be here for years. And so , um ,

over years , if he 's  if he 's interested in , you know , voiced - unvoiced - silence , he could do a lot. But if there  if in fact there 's something else  that he could be doing , that would help us when we 're  we 're sort of uh strapped for time  We have  we  we 've , you know , only ,  uh , another  another month or two  to  you know , with the holidays in the middle of it , um , to  to get a lot done. If we can think of something  some piece of this that 's going to be  The very fact that it is sort of just work , and i and it 's running programs and so forth , is exactly why  it 's possible that it  some piece of could be handed to someone to do , because it 's not  Uh , yeah , so that  that 's the question. And we don't have to solve it right this s second , but if we could think of some  some piece that 's  that 's well defined , that he could help with , he 's expressing a will willingness to do that.


right ? He 's  he 's gonna be here for years. And so , um ,

over years , if he 's  if he 's interested in , you know , voiced - unvoiced - silence , he could do a lot. But if there  if in fact there 's something else  that he could be doing , that would help us when we 're  we 're sort of uh strapped for time  We have  we  we 've , you know , only ,  uh , another  another month or two  to  you know , with the holidays in the middle of it , um , to  to get a lot done. If we can think of something  some piece of this that 's going to be  The very fact that it is sort of just work , and i and it 's running programs and so forth , is exactly why  it 's possible that it  some piece of could be handed to someone to do , because it 's not  Uh , yeah , so that  that 's the question. And we don't have to solve it right this s second , but if we could think of some  some piece that 's  that 's well defined , that he could help with , he 's expressing a will willingness to do that.

What about training up a , um , a multilingual net ?


over years , if he 's  if he 's interested in , you know , voiced - unvoiced - silence , he could do a lot. But if there  if in fact there 's something else  that he could be doing , that would help us when we 're  we 're sort of uh strapped for time  We have  we  we 've , you know , only ,  uh , another  another month or two  to  you know , with the holidays in the middle of it , um , to  to get a lot done. If we can think of something  some piece of this that 's going to be  The very fact that it is sort of just work , and i and it 's running programs and so forth , is exactly why  it 's possible that it  some piece of could be handed to someone to do , because it 's not  Uh , yeah , so that  that 's the question. And we don't have to solve it right this s second , but if we could think of some  some piece that 's  that 's well defined , that he could help with , he 's expressing a will willingness to do that.

What about training up a , um , a multilingual net ?


over years , if he 's  if he 's interested in , you know , voiced - unvoiced - silence , he could do a lot. But if there  if in fact there 's something else  that he could be doing , that would help us when we 're  we 're sort of uh strapped for time  We have  we  we 've , you know , only ,  uh , another  another month or two  to  you know , with the holidays in the middle of it , um , to  to get a lot done. If we can think of something  some piece of this that 's going to be  The very fact that it is sort of just work , and i and it 's running programs and so forth , is exactly why  it 's possible that it  some piece of could be handed to someone to do , because it 's not  Uh , yeah , so that  that 's the question. And we don't have to solve it right this s second , but if we could think of some  some piece that 's  that 's well defined , that he could help with , he 's expressing a will willingness to do that.

What about training up a , um , a multilingual net ?

Yes , maybe to , mmm , put together the  the label  the labels between TIMIT and Spanish or something like that.


What about training up a , um , a multilingual net ?

Yes , maybe to , mmm , put together the  the label  the labels between TIMIT and Spanish or something like that.


Yes , maybe to , mmm , put together the  the label  the labels between TIMIT and Spanish or something like that.


Uh. Yeah , that 's something that needs to be done in any event.


Uh. Yeah , that 's something that needs to be done in any event.

So what we were just saying is that  that , um  I was arguing for ,  if possible , coming up with something that  that really was development and wasn't research because we  we 're  we have a time crunch. And so , uh , if there 's something that would  would save some time that someone else could do on some other piece , then we should think of that first. See the thing with voiced - unvoiced - silence is I really think that  that it 's  to do  to do a  a  a  a poor job is  is pretty quick , uh , or , you know , a so - so job. You can  you can  you can throw in a couple fea we know what  what kinds of features help with it.


So what we were just saying is that  that , um  I was arguing for ,  if possible , coming up with something that  that really was development and wasn't research because we  we 're  we have a time crunch. And so , uh , if there 's something that would  would save some time that someone else could do on some other piece , then we should think of that first. See the thing with voiced - unvoiced - silence is I really think that  that it 's  to do  to do a  a  a  a poor job is  is pretty quick , uh , or , you know , a so - so job. You can  you can  you can throw in a couple fea we know what  what kinds of features help with it.

You can throw something in. You can do pretty well. But I remember , in fact , when you were working on that , and you worked on for few months , as I recall , and you got to , say ninety - three percent , and getting to ninety - four   really really hard.


You can throw something in. You can do pretty well. But I remember , in fact , when you were working on that , and you worked on for few months , as I recall , and you got to , say ninety - three percent , and getting to ninety - four   really really hard.

Yeah , yeah. So , um  And th th the other tricky thing is , since we are , uh , even though we 're not  we don't have a strict prohibition on memory size , and  and computational complexity , uh , clearly there 's some limitation to it. So if we have to  if we say we have to have a pitch detector , say , if we  if we 're trying to incorporate pitch information , or at least some kind of harmonic  harmonicity , or something , this is another whole thing , take a while to develop. Anyway , it 's a very very interesting topic. I mean , one  I think one of the  a lot of people would say , and I think Dan would also , uh , that one of the things wrong with current speech recognition is that we  we really do throw away all the harmonicity information. Uh , we try to get spectral envelopes. Reason for doing that is that most of the information about the phonetic identity is in the spectral envelopes are not in the harmonic detail. But the harmonic detail does tell you something. Like the fact that there is harmonic detail is  is real important. So. Um. So , uh. So I think  Yeah. So  wh that  so the  the other suggestion that just came up was , well what about having him  work on the , uh ,  multilingual super f superset  kind of thing. Uh , coming up with that and then , you know , training it  training a net on that , say , um , from  from , uh  from TIMIT or something. Is that  or uh , for multiple databases. What  what would you  what would you think it would  wh what would this task consist of ?


You can throw something in. You can do pretty well. But I remember , in fact , when you were working on that , and you worked on for few months , as I recall , and you got to , say ninety - three percent , and getting to ninety - four   really really hard.

Yeah , yeah. So , um  And th th the other tricky thing is , since we are , uh , even though we 're not  we don't have a strict prohibition on memory size , and  and computational complexity , uh , clearly there 's some limitation to it. So if we have to  if we say we have to have a pitch detector , say , if we  if we 're trying to incorporate pitch information , or at least some kind of harmonic  harmonicity , or something , this is another whole thing , take a while to develop. Anyway , it 's a very very interesting topic. I mean , one  I think one of the  a lot of people would say , and I think Dan would also , uh , that one of the things wrong with current speech recognition is that we  we really do throw away all the harmonicity information. Uh , we try to get spectral envelopes. Reason for doing that is that most of the information about the phonetic identity is in the spectral envelopes are not in the harmonic detail. But the harmonic detail does tell you something. Like the fact that there is harmonic detail is  is real important. So. Um. So , uh. So I think  Yeah. So  wh that  so the  the other suggestion that just came up was , well what about having him  work on the , uh ,  multilingual super f superset  kind of thing. Uh , coming up with that and then , you know , training it  training a net on that , say , um , from  from , uh  from TIMIT or something. Is that  or uh , for multiple databases. What  what would you  what would you think it would  wh what would this task consist of ?

Yeah , it would consist in , uh , well , um , creating the  the superset , and , uh , modifying the lab labels for matching the superset. Uh.


Yeah , yeah. So , um  And th th the other tricky thing is , since we are , uh , even though we 're not  we don't have a strict prohibition on memory size , and  and computational complexity , uh , clearly there 's some limitation to it. So if we have to  if we say we have to have a pitch detector , say , if we  if we 're trying to incorporate pitch information , or at least some kind of harmonic  harmonicity , or something , this is another whole thing , take a while to develop. Anyway , it 's a very very interesting topic. I mean , one  I think one of the  a lot of people would say , and I think Dan would also , uh , that one of the things wrong with current speech recognition is that we  we really do throw away all the harmonicity information. Uh , we try to get spectral envelopes. Reason for doing that is that most of the information about the phonetic identity is in the spectral envelopes are not in the harmonic detail. But the harmonic detail does tell you something. Like the fact that there is harmonic detail is  is real important. So. Um. So , uh. So I think  Yeah. So  wh that  so the  the other suggestion that just came up was , well what about having him  work on the , uh ,  multilingual super f superset  kind of thing. Uh , coming up with that and then , you know , training it  training a net on that , say , um , from  from , uh  from TIMIT or something. Is that  or uh , for multiple databases. What  what would you  what would you think it would  wh what would this task consist of ?

Yeah , it would consist in , uh , well , um , creating the  the superset , and , uh , modifying the lab labels for matching the superset. Uh.

Uh , creating a superset from looking at the multiple languages ,


Yeah , yeah. So , um  And th th the other tricky thing is , since we are , uh , even though we 're not  we don't have a strict prohibition on memory size , and  and computational complexity , uh , clearly there 's some limitation to it. So if we have to  if we say we have to have a pitch detector , say , if we  if we 're trying to incorporate pitch information , or at least some kind of harmonic  harmonicity , or something , this is another whole thing , take a while to develop. Anyway , it 's a very very interesting topic. I mean , one  I think one of the  a lot of people would say , and I think Dan would also , uh , that one of the things wrong with current speech recognition is that we  we really do throw away all the harmonicity information. Uh , we try to get spectral envelopes. Reason for doing that is that most of the information about the phonetic identity is in the spectral envelopes are not in the harmonic detail. But the harmonic detail does tell you something. Like the fact that there is harmonic detail is  is real important. So. Um. So , uh. So I think  Yeah. So  wh that  so the  the other suggestion that just came up was , well what about having him  work on the , uh ,  multilingual super f superset  kind of thing. Uh , coming up with that and then , you know , training it  training a net on that , say , um , from  from , uh  from TIMIT or something. Is that  or uh , for multiple databases. What  what would you  what would you think it would  wh what would this task consist of ?

Yeah , it would consist in , uh , well , um , creating the  the superset , and , uh , modifying the lab labels for matching the superset. Uh.

Uh , creating a superset from looking at the multiple languages ,

Well , creating the mappings , actually.


Yeah , it would consist in , uh , well , um , creating the  the superset , and , uh , modifying the lab labels for matching the superset. Uh.

Uh , creating a superset from looking at the multiple languages ,

Well , creating the mappings , actually.

and then creating i m changing labels on TIMIT ?


Uh , creating a superset from looking at the multiple languages ,

Well , creating the mappings , actually.

and then creating i m changing labels on TIMIT ?


Well , creating the mappings , actually.

and then creating i m changing labels on TIMIT ?

Or on  or on multiple language   multiple languages ?


and then creating i m changing labels on TIMIT ?

Or on  or on multiple language   multiple languages ?


Or on  or on multiple language   multiple languages ?

Yeah , yeah , with the @ @ three languages ,


Or on  or on multiple language   multiple languages ?

Yeah , yeah , with the @ @ three languages ,

Maybe for the other language because TIMIT have more phone.


Yeah , yeah , with the @ @ three languages ,

Maybe for the other language because TIMIT have more phone.


Yeah , yeah , with the @ @ three languages ,

Maybe for the other language because TIMIT have more phone.

So you 'd have to create a mapping from each language to the superset.


Maybe for the other language because TIMIT have more phone.

So you 'd have to create a mapping from each language to the superset.


So you 'd have to create a mapping from each language to the superset.


There 's , um  Carmen was talking about this SAMPA thing , and it 's , um ,  it 's an effort by linguists to come up with , um , a machine readable IPA , um , sort of thing , right ? And , um , they  they have a web site that Stephane was showing us that has , um  has all the English phonemes and their SAMPA correspondent , um , phoneme ,


There 's , um  Carmen was talking about this SAMPA thing , and it 's , um ,  it 's an effort by linguists to come up with , um , a machine readable IPA , um , sort of thing , right ? And , um , they  they have a web site that Stephane was showing us that has , um  has all the English phonemes and their SAMPA correspondent , um , phoneme ,

and then , um , they have Spanish , they have German , they have all  all sorts of languages , um , mapping  mapping to the SAMPA phonemes , which


There 's , um  Carmen was talking about this SAMPA thing , and it 's , um ,  it 's an effort by linguists to come up with , um , a machine readable IPA , um , sort of thing , right ? And , um , they  they have a web site that Stephane was showing us that has , um  has all the English phonemes and their SAMPA correspondent , um , phoneme ,

and then , um , they have Spanish , they have German , they have all  all sorts of languages , um , mapping  mapping to the SAMPA phonemes , which

Yeah , the tr the transcription , though , for Albayzin is n the transcription are of SAMPA the same , uh , how you say , symbol that SAMPA appear.


and then , um , they have Spanish , they have German , they have all  all sorts of languages , um , mapping  mapping to the SAMPA phonemes , which

Yeah , the tr the transcription , though , for Albayzin is n the transcription are of SAMPA the same , uh , how you say , symbol that SAMPA appear.


Yeah , the tr the transcription , though , for Albayzin is n the transcription are of SAMPA the same , uh , how you say , symbol that SAMPA appear.

But I don't know if TIMIT o how is TIMIT.


But I don't know if TIMIT o how is TIMIT.


I was gonna say , does that mean IPA is not really international ?


I was gonna say , does that mean IPA is not really international ?

It uses special diacritics and stuff , which you can't do with ASCII characters.


It uses special diacritics and stuff , which you can't do with ASCII characters.


What , uh  Has OGI done anything about this issue ? Do they have  Do they have any kind of superset that they already have ?


What , uh  Has OGI done anything about this issue ? Do they have  Do they have any kind of superset that they already have ?

I don't think so. Well , they  they  they 're going actually the  the other way , defining uh , phoneme clusters , apparently. Well.


What , uh  Has OGI done anything about this issue ? Do they have  Do they have any kind of superset that they already have ?

I don't think so. Well , they  they  they 're going actually the  the other way , defining uh , phoneme clusters , apparently. Well.

Aha. That 's right. Uh , and that 's an interesting  way to go too.


What , uh  Has OGI done anything about this issue ? Do they have  Do they have any kind of superset that they already have ?

I don't think so. Well , they  they  they 're going actually the  the other way , defining uh , phoneme clusters , apparently. Well.

Aha. That 's right. Uh , and that 's an interesting  way to go too.

So they just throw the speech from all different languages together , then cluster it into sixty or fifty or whatever clusters ?


I don't think so. Well , they  they  they 're going actually the  the other way , defining uh , phoneme clusters , apparently. Well.

Aha. That 's right. Uh , and that 's an interesting  way to go too.

So they just throw the speech from all different languages together , then cluster it into sixty or fifty or whatever clusters ?

I think they 've not done it , uh , doing , uh , multiple language yet , but what they did is to training , uh , English nets with all the phonemes , and then training it in English nets with , uh , kind of seventeen , I think it was  seventeen , uh , broad classes.


Aha. That 's right. Uh , and that 's an interesting  way to go too.

So they just throw the speech from all different languages together , then cluster it into sixty or fifty or whatever clusters ?

I think they 've not done it , uh , doing , uh , multiple language yet , but what they did is to training , uh , English nets with all the phonemes , and then training it in English nets with , uh , kind of seventeen , I think it was  seventeen , uh , broad classes.

Automatically derived  Mm - hmm. Automatically derived broad classes , or  ?


So they just throw the speech from all different languages together , then cluster it into sixty or fifty or whatever clusters ?

I think they 've not done it , uh , doing , uh , multiple language yet , but what they did is to training , uh , English nets with all the phonemes , and then training it in English nets with , uh , kind of seventeen , I think it was  seventeen , uh , broad classes.

Automatically derived  Mm - hmm. Automatically derived broad classes , or  ?


I think they 've not done it , uh , doing , uh , multiple language yet , but what they did is to training , uh , English nets with all the phonemes , and then training it in English nets with , uh , kind of seventeen , I think it was  seventeen , uh , broad classes.

Automatically derived  Mm - hmm. Automatically derived broad classes , or  ?


Automatically derived  Mm - hmm. Automatically derived broad classes , or  ?

Uh , and , yeah. And the result was that apparently , when testing on cross - language it was better. I think so. But Hynek didn't add  didn't have all the results when he showed me that , so , well.


Uh , and , yeah. And the result was that apparently , when testing on cross - language it was better. I think so. But Hynek didn't add  didn't have all the results when he showed me that , so , well.

So that does make an interesting question , though.


Uh , and , yeah. And the result was that apparently , when testing on cross - language it was better. I think so. But Hynek didn't add  didn't have all the results when he showed me that , so , well.

So that does make an interesting question , though.

Is there 's some way that we should tie into that with this. Um. Right ? I mean , if  if in fact that is a better thing to do ,  should we leverage that , rather than doing ,  um , our own. Right ? So , if i if  if they s I mean , we have   i we have the  the trainings with our own categories. And now we 're saying , " Well , how do we handle cross - language ? " And one way is to come up with a superset , but they are als they 're trying coming up with clustered , and do we think there 's something wrong with that ?


So that does make an interesting question , though.

Is there 's some way that we should tie into that with this. Um. Right ? I mean , if  if in fact that is a better thing to do ,  should we leverage that , rather than doing ,  um , our own. Right ? So , if i if  if they s I mean , we have   i we have the  the trainings with our own categories. And now we 're saying , " Well , how do we handle cross - language ? " And one way is to come up with a superset , but they are als they 're trying coming up with clustered , and do we think there 's something wrong with that ?


Is there 's some way that we should tie into that with this. Um. Right ? I mean , if  if in fact that is a better thing to do ,  should we leverage that , rather than doing ,  um , our own. Right ? So , if i if  if they s I mean , we have   i we have the  the trainings with our own categories. And now we 're saying , " Well , how do we handle cross - language ? " And one way is to come up with a superset , but they are als they 're trying coming up with clustered , and do we think there 's something wrong with that ?


Is there 's some way that we should tie into that with this. Um. Right ? I mean , if  if in fact that is a better thing to do ,  should we leverage that , rather than doing ,  um , our own. Right ? So , if i if  if they s I mean , we have   i we have the  the trainings with our own categories. And now we 're saying , " Well , how do we handle cross - language ? " And one way is to come up with a superset , but they are als they 're trying coming up with clustered , and do we think there 's something wrong with that ?

or  Well , because  Well , for the moment we are testing on digits , and e i perhaps u using broad phoneme classes , it 's  it 's OK for um , uh classifying the digits , but as soon as you will have more words , well , words can differ with only a single phoneme , and  which could be the same , uh , class.


or  Well , because  Well , for the moment we are testing on digits , and e i perhaps u using broad phoneme classes , it 's  it 's OK for um , uh classifying the digits , but as soon as you will have more words , well , words can differ with only a single phoneme , and  which could be the same , uh , class.


or  Well , because  Well , for the moment we are testing on digits , and e i perhaps u using broad phoneme classes , it 's  it 's OK for um , uh classifying the digits , but as soon as you will have more words , well , words can differ with only a single phoneme , and  which could be the same , uh , class.

Right. Although , you are not using this for the


Right. Although , you are not using this for the


Right. Although , you are not using this for the

You 're using this for the feature generation , though , not the


Right. Although , you are not using this for the

You 're using this for the feature generation , though , not the

Yeah , but you will ask the net to put one for th th the phoneme class


You 're using this for the feature generation , though , not the

Yeah , but you will ask the net to put one for th th the phoneme class


Yeah , but you will ask the net to put one for th th the phoneme class

So you 're saying that there may not be enough information coming out of the net to help you discriminate the words ?


So you 're saying that there may not be enough information coming out of the net to help you discriminate the words ?


So you 're saying that there may not be enough information coming out of the net to help you discriminate the words ?

Fact , most confusions are within the phone  phone classes , right ? I think , uh , Larry was saying like obstruents are only confused with other obstruents , et cetera , et cetera.


Fact , most confusions are within the phone  phone classes , right ? I think , uh , Larry was saying like obstruents are only confused with other obstruents , et cetera , et cetera.


Yeah , this is another p yeah , another point.


Yeah , this is another p yeah , another point.

So  so , maybe we could look at articulatory type stuff ,


Yeah , this is another p yeah , another point.

So  so , maybe we could look at articulatory type stuff ,

But that 's what I thought they were gonna


So  so , maybe we could look at articulatory type stuff ,

But that 's what I thought they were gonna


But that 's what I thought they were gonna


they were talking about , perhaps , but they d


they were talking about , perhaps , but they d

but that 's sort of a question whether they did


but that 's sort of a question whether they did


but that 's sort of a question whether they did

because that 's  that 's the other route to go.


because that 's  that 's the other route to go.


Instead of the  the  the  the superclass thing , which is to take  So suppose y you don't really mark arti To really mark articulatory features , you really wanna look at the acoustics and  and see where everything is , and we 're not gonna do that. So , uh , the second class way of doing it is  to look at the , uh , phones that are labeled and translate them into acoustic  uh , uh  articulatory , uh , uh , features. So it won't really be right. You won't really have these overlapping  things and so forth ,


But that implies that you can have more than one on at a time ?


But that implies that you can have more than one on at a time ?

You either do that or you have multiple nets.


You either do that or you have multiple nets.


You either do that or you have multiple nets.

Um. And , um I don't know if our software  this  if the qu versions of the Quicknet that we 're using allows for that. Do you know ?


Um. And , um I don't know if our software  this  if the qu versions of the Quicknet that we 're using allows for that. Do you know ?


Um. And , um I don't know if our software  this  if the qu versions of the Quicknet that we 're using allows for that. Do you know ?

Oh , um , we have gotten soft targets to  to work.


Oh , um , we have gotten soft targets to  to work.


Oh , um , we have gotten soft targets to  to work.

OK. So , um , that 's another thing that could be done


OK. So , um , that 's another thing that could be done


OK. So , um , that 's another thing that could be done

is that we could  we could , uh , just translate  instead of translating to a superset ,  just translate to articulatory features , some set of articulatory features and train with that. Now the fact  even though it 's a smaller number ,  it 's still fine because you have the  the , uh , combinations. So , in fact , it has every , you know  it had  has  has every distinction in it that you would have the other way.


is that we could  we could , uh , just translate  instead of translating to a superset ,  just translate to articulatory features , some set of articulatory features and train with that. Now the fact  even though it 's a smaller number ,  it 's still fine because you have the  the , uh , combinations. So , in fact , it has every , you know  it had  has  has every distinction in it that you would have the other way.

But it should go across languages better.


is that we could  we could , uh , just translate  instead of translating to a superset ,  just translate to articulatory features , some set of articulatory features and train with that. Now the fact  even though it 's a smaller number ,  it 's still fine because you have the  the , uh , combinations. So , in fact , it has every , you know  it had  has  has every distinction in it that you would have the other way.

But it should go across languages better.

We could do an interesting cheating experiment with that too. We could  I don't know , if you had uh the phone labels , you could replace them by their articulatory features and then feed in a vector with those uh , things turned on based on what they 're supposed to be for each phone to see if it  if you get a big win. Do you know what I 'm saying ?


But it should go across languages better.

We could do an interesting cheating experiment with that too. We could  I don't know , if you had uh the phone labels , you could replace them by their articulatory features and then feed in a vector with those uh , things turned on based on what they 're supposed to be for each phone to see if it  if you get a big win. Do you know what I 'm saying ?


But it should go across languages better.

We could do an interesting cheating experiment with that too. We could  I don't know , if you had uh the phone labels , you could replace them by their articulatory features and then feed in a vector with those uh , things turned on based on what they 're supposed to be for each phone to see if it  if you get a big win. Do you know what I 'm saying ?

So , um , I mean , if your net is gonna be outputting , uh , a vector of  basically of  well , it 's gonna have probabilities , but let 's say that they were ones and zeros , then y and you know for each , um , I don't know if you know this for your testing data , but if you know for your test data , you know , what the string of phones is and  and you have them aligned , then you can just  instead of going through the net , just create the vector for each phone and feed that in to see if that data helps. Eh , eh , what made me think about this is , I was talking with Hynek and he said that there was a guy at A T - andT who spent eighteen months working on a single feature. And because they had done some cheating experiments


We could do an interesting cheating experiment with that too. We could  I don't know , if you had uh the phone labels , you could replace them by their articulatory features and then feed in a vector with those uh , things turned on based on what they 're supposed to be for each phone to see if it  if you get a big win. Do you know what I 'm saying ?

So , um , I mean , if your net is gonna be outputting , uh , a vector of  basically of  well , it 's gonna have probabilities , but let 's say that they were ones and zeros , then y and you know for each , um , I don't know if you know this for your testing data , but if you know for your test data , you know , what the string of phones is and  and you have them aligned , then you can just  instead of going through the net , just create the vector for each phone and feed that in to see if that data helps. Eh , eh , what made me think about this is , I was talking with Hynek and he said that there was a guy at A T - andT who spent eighteen months working on a single feature. And because they had done some cheating experiments

This was the guy that we were just talking a that we saw on campus. So , this was Larry Saul who did this  did this.


So , um , I mean , if your net is gonna be outputting , uh , a vector of  basically of  well , it 's gonna have probabilities , but let 's say that they were ones and zeros , then y and you know for each , um , I don't know if you know this for your testing data , but if you know for your test data , you know , what the string of phones is and  and you have them aligned , then you can just  instead of going through the net , just create the vector for each phone and feed that in to see if that data helps. Eh , eh , what made me think about this is , I was talking with Hynek and he said that there was a guy at A T - andT who spent eighteen months working on a single feature. And because they had done some cheating experiments

This was the guy that we were just talking a that we saw on campus. So , this was Larry Saul who did this  did this.


This was the guy that we were just talking a that we saw on campus. So , this was Larry Saul who did this  did this.


right. And they  they had done a cheating experiment or something , right ?


Well , Hynek said that  that , I guess before they had him work on this , they had done some experiment where if they could get that one feature right , it dramatically improved the result.


Well , Hynek said that  that , I guess before they had him work on this , they had done some experiment where if they could get that one feature right , it dramatically improved the result.

So I was thinking , you know  it made me think about this , that if  it 'd be an interesting experiment just to see , you know , if you did get all of those right.


Well , Hynek said that  that , I guess before they had him work on this , they had done some experiment where if they could get that one feature right , it dramatically improved the result.

So I was thinking , you know  it made me think about this , that if  it 'd be an interesting experiment just to see , you know , if you did get all of those right.

Should be. Because if you get all of them in there , that defines all of the phones. So that 's  that 's equivalent to saying that you 've got   got all the phones right.


So I was thinking , you know  it made me think about this , that if  it 'd be an interesting experiment just to see , you know , if you did get all of those right.

Should be. Because if you get all of them in there , that defines all of the phones. So that 's  that 's equivalent to saying that you 've got   got all the phones right.


Should be. Because if you get all of them in there , that defines all of the phones. So that 's  that 's equivalent to saying that you 've got   got all the phones right.


Although , yeah , it would be  make an interesting cheating experiment because we are using it in this funny way ,


Although , yeah , it would be  make an interesting cheating experiment because we are using it in this funny way ,

where we 're converting it into features.


Although , yeah , it would be  make an interesting cheating experiment because we are using it in this funny way ,

where we 're converting it into features.

And then you also don't know what error they 've got on the HTK side. You know ? It sort of gives you your  the best you could hope for , kind of.


where we 're converting it into features.

And then you also don't know what error they 've got on the HTK side. You know ? It sort of gives you your  the best you could hope for , kind of.


And then you also don't know what error they 've got on the HTK side. You know ? It sort of gives you your  the best you could hope for , kind of.

The soft training of the nets still requires the vector to sum to one , though , right ?


The soft training of the nets still requires the vector to sum to one , though , right ?


The soft training of the nets still requires the vector to sum to one , though , right ?

So you can't really feed it , like , two articulatory features that are on at the same time with ones cuz it 'll kind of normalize them down to one half or something like that , for instance.


The soft training of the nets still requires the vector to sum to one , though , right ?

So you can't really feed it , like , two articulatory features that are on at the same time with ones cuz it 'll kind of normalize them down to one half or something like that , for instance.

But perhaps you have the choice of the  final nonl


So you can't really feed it , like , two articulatory features that are on at the same time with ones cuz it 'll kind of normalize them down to one half or something like that , for instance.

But perhaps you have the choice of the  final nonl


But perhaps you have the choice of the  final nonl


it 's sig No , it 's actually sigmoid - X


it 's sig No , it 's actually sigmoid - X

So if you choose sigmoid it 's o it 's OK ?


So if you choose sigmoid it 's o it 's OK ?


Why don't you just choose linear ? Right ?


If you 're gonna do a KL Transform on it.


If you 're gonna do a KL Transform on it.

Right , right. Right , but during the training , we would train on sigmoid - X


If you 're gonna do a KL Transform on it.

Right , right. Right , but during the training , we would train on sigmoid - X

and then at the end just chop off the final nonlinearity.


Right , right. Right , but during the training , we would train on sigmoid - X

and then at the end just chop off the final nonlinearity.


and then at the end just chop off the final nonlinearity.

So , we 're  we 're  we 're off the air , or  ? About to be off the air.


No on the desktop you'll find you should find that there's a project documents link. A well actually just there.


What's your username and password ? Mm-hmm. Sorry.


What's your username and password ? Mm-hmm. Sorry.

Excellent. Right. Hopefully that's us ready to uh to go. So. Functional design meeting. We'll have to flesh out some of the uh stuff. Um we'll start with the minutes of the last meeting. Not a lot thankfully to say. We introduced ourselves , discussed the possibility of a macro facility , interac interacting the T_V_ a bit more , um mentioning of bar-code , joystick for user manipulation , um and ergonomics of the remote control as well. Um it's come to my attention the following. Teletext has become outdated due to the populat popularity of the internet. Remote control should only be used for the T_V_. Um due for uh time to market and possibly also cost issues. Um also key is the corporate image should stay recognisable , um f uh your colour and slogan of course is down at the bottom there. Um. Now. Just to say quickly uh I would have thought that only being used for a television the macro facility may now not be required.


Excellent. Right. Hopefully that's us ready to uh to go. So. Functional design meeting. We'll have to flesh out some of the uh stuff. Um we'll start with the minutes of the last meeting. Not a lot thankfully to say. We introduced ourselves , discussed the possibility of a macro facility , interac interacting the T_V_ a bit more , um mentioning of bar-code , joystick for user manipulation , um and ergonomics of the remote control as well. Um it's come to my attention the following. Teletext has become outdated due to the populat popularity of the internet. Remote control should only be used for the T_V_. Um due for uh time to market and possibly also cost issues. Um also key is the corporate image should stay recognisable , um f uh your colour and slogan of course is down at the bottom there. Um. Now. Just to say quickly uh I would have thought that only being used for a television the macro facility may now not be required.


Excellent. Right. Hopefully that's us ready to uh to go. So. Functional design meeting. We'll have to flesh out some of the uh stuff. Um we'll start with the minutes of the last meeting. Not a lot thankfully to say. We introduced ourselves , discussed the possibility of a macro facility , interac interacting the T_V_ a bit more , um mentioning of bar-code , joystick for user manipulation , um and ergonomics of the remote control as well. Um it's come to my attention the following. Teletext has become outdated due to the populat popularity of the internet. Remote control should only be used for the T_V_. Um due for uh time to market and possibly also cost issues. Um also key is the corporate image should stay recognisable , um f uh your colour and slogan of course is down at the bottom there. Um. Now. Just to say quickly uh I would have thought that only being used for a television the macro facility may now not be required.

Um or at l its functionality would have been of limited use. So to the point in my opinion anyway that it might not be worth pursuing. Um if anybody disagrees we can uh definitely say so. Um and hopefully we'll just crack on and we'll get everything going. Um I'd like to if possible hear from our Marketing Expert first , to help us gain an idea of where we're going to go.


Um or at l its functionality would have been of limited use. So to the point in my opinion anyway that it might not be worth pursuing. Um if anybody disagrees we can uh definitely say so. Um and hopefully we'll just crack on and we'll get everything going. Um I'd like to if possible hear from our Marketing Expert first , to help us gain an idea of where we're going to go.

So um I'll just load up your presentation from here if you want.


Um or at l its functionality would have been of limited use. So to the point in my opinion anyway that it might not be worth pursuing. Um if anybody disagrees we can uh definitely say so. Um and hopefully we'll just crack on and we'll get everything going. Um I'd like to if possible hear from our Marketing Expert first , to help us gain an idea of where we're going to go.

So um I'll just load up your presentation from here if you want.

Sure. Um , sh would you like to  I'll just do it from here.


So um I'll just load up your presentation from here if you want.

Sure. Um , sh would you like to  I'll just do it from here.


So um I'll just load up your presentation from here if you want.

Sure. Um , sh would you like to  I'll just do it from here.

Um , try second one maybe. Try it , yeah maybe.


Sure. Um , sh would you like to  I'll just do it from here.

Um , try second one maybe. Try it , yeah maybe.


Um , try second one maybe. Try it , yeah maybe.

Yeah. Okay. Oh , I thought I put in my last name , I guess not , but .


Um , try second one maybe. Try it , yeah maybe.

Yeah. Okay. Oh , I thought I put in my last name , I guess not , but .

Uh if you  that's all right. If you  do you want me to just cycle through it for you or ?


Yeah. Okay. Oh , I thought I put in my last name , I guess not , but .

Uh if you  that's all right. If you  do you want me to just cycle through it for you or ?

Okay.  Oh yeah , that'd be fine , that'd be great.


Uh if you  that's all right. If you  do you want me to just cycle through it for you or ?

Okay.  Oh yeah , that'd be fine , that'd be great.

Okay. Functional requirement by me Ebenezer.


Okay.  Oh yeah , that'd be fine , that'd be great.

Okay. Functional requirement by me Ebenezer.


Okay. Functional requirement by me Ebenezer.

Okay , so um we did some research , we asked one hundred people their opinions on remote controls. We asked some uh open ended questions , just , what are your opinions on the remote control , got a lot of re responses , and we asked some very specific questions , and we got a lot of good feedback. Please bear in mind this is only a hundred people , so even when the groups are divided into fifteen to twenty five , twenty five to thirty five , there's only maybe ten people  fifteen people in each group.


Okay , so um we did some research , we asked one hundred people their opinions on remote controls. We asked some uh open ended questions , just , what are your opinions on the remote control , got a lot of re responses , and we asked some very specific questions , and we got a lot of good feedback. Please bear in mind this is only a hundred people , so even when the groups are divided into fifteen to twenty five , twenty five to thirty five , there's only maybe ten people  fifteen people in each group.

Okay.  So we got  some the bad stuff we got , remotes are often lost. I often lose my remote control , the back of the couch , some place , and even if it's not lost permanently , it takes me a few minutes to find it.  Most buttons are not used any more , like you said , teletext is outdated now. I remember trying to load a D_V_D_ player recently , and there were so many buttons , it took me I don't know maybe ten minutes to to go through each button , 'cause you have to press the shift button to access the yellow buttons , you know there's just a lot of stuff that no one really uses. And if they do , not very often. Takes too long to master the remote control. I've seen some remote controls that are big , they have a lot of buttons , you have to hold down more than one key at one time to do something , they're just not great to use. We just got a lot of bad complaints about remote controls , people do not like remote controls. Some of the good stuff we got. Between the age of uh fifteen and twenty five , most people would be willing to pay extra for voice recognition software. Now don't get excited yet , I've got more to say on that. Most people'd be willing to pay for that um most people want remote controls to be pretty , they want it to be fancy , th they they want it to be different , everybody has a white remote control with black buttons , and a red button and a green button , not everybody wants that.   Finally , my opinion.


Okay.  So we got  some the bad stuff we got , remotes are often lost. I often lose my remote control , the back of the couch , some place , and even if it's not lost permanently , it takes me a few minutes to find it.  Most buttons are not used any more , like you said , teletext is outdated now. I remember trying to load a D_V_D_ player recently , and there were so many buttons , it took me I don't know maybe ten minutes to to go through each button , 'cause you have to press the shift button to access the yellow buttons , you know there's just a lot of stuff that no one really uses. And if they do , not very often. Takes too long to master the remote control. I've seen some remote controls that are big , they have a lot of buttons , you have to hold down more than one key at one time to do something , they're just not great to use. We just got a lot of bad complaints about remote controls , people do not like remote controls. Some of the good stuff we got. Between the age of uh fifteen and twenty five , most people would be willing to pay extra for voice recognition software. Now don't get excited yet , I've got more to say on that. Most people'd be willing to pay for that um most people want remote controls to be pretty , they want it to be fancy , th they they want it to be different , everybody has a white remote control with black buttons , and a red button and a green button , not everybody wants that.   Finally , my opinion.

The voice recognition thing is cool. And uh voice recognition , the software , open source software exist already. It's a bit sketchy at some times , uh , you're not gonna get good always accurate results , but for a very fixed number of words , you know you have , how many different words can you have for a remote control , up , down , left , right , channel five , channel seven , you know , how many , you can't have that many words. For a fixed vocabulary it works quite well. I'm pretty sure people would buy it. But after a while people may wanna return it , because  if you have to to say som I mean most people use a remote control for switching to channels , and they say they do that about ninety eight percent of the time. Using the remote control , ninety eight percent of the time for changing channels , and that's for flickering through channels. So if you have to say up , up , up , up , if you have to do that all the time , then people might get a bit fed up with that and they may return it.  However ,  oh , because the voice recognition software exists already , there's no need to spend money on research and development , but this does mean the need for microphones in the in the remote control , which is an unusual feature in my opinion. But if we do have the voice recognition thing , there's a lot of stuff that you can uh get rid of. See , you could  there're two options. Either you have voice recognition by itself , which I think is a bit impractical for like night time if you wanna be watching television and you wanna be quiet , or I don't know you have a visitor coming round and the remote's only trained for you , it's a bit impractical to have just voice recognition by itself. So you can have voice recognition and a regular remote. But imagine you got rid of the regular remote part , then you can design the remote to look any way you want it to look , because there are no restrictions on physical size , or shape , it it could be as fancy as you want it to be , you know , it could be like a lollipop or something like that , something weird like that. As long as the voice recognition stuff works , that's that's fine.


The voice recognition thing is cool. And uh voice recognition , the software , open source software exist already. It's a bit sketchy at some times , uh , you're not gonna get good always accurate results , but for a very fixed number of words , you know you have , how many different words can you have for a remote control , up , down , left , right , channel five , channel seven , you know , how many , you can't have that many words. For a fixed vocabulary it works quite well. I'm pretty sure people would buy it. But after a while people may wanna return it , because  if you have to to say som I mean most people use a remote control for switching to channels , and they say they do that about ninety eight percent of the time. Using the remote control , ninety eight percent of the time for changing channels , and that's for flickering through channels. So if you have to say up , up , up , up , if you have to do that all the time , then people might get a bit fed up with that and they may return it.  However ,  oh , because the voice recognition software exists already , there's no need to spend money on research and development , but this does mean the need for microphones in the in the remote control , which is an unusual feature in my opinion. But if we do have the voice recognition thing , there's a lot of stuff that you can uh get rid of. See , you could  there're two options. Either you have voice recognition by itself , which I think is a bit impractical for like night time if you wanna be watching television and you wanna be quiet , or I don't know you have a visitor coming round and the remote's only trained for you , it's a bit impractical to have just voice recognition by itself. So you can have voice recognition and a regular remote. But imagine you got rid of the regular remote part , then you can design the remote to look any way you want it to look , because there are no restrictions on physical size , or shape , it it could be as fancy as you want it to be , you know , it could be like a lollipop or something like that , something weird like that. As long as the voice recognition stuff works , that's that's fine.

So we have the three birds , we have the design , that  we have the the fancy bit , right , the voice recognition's fancy , it's cool , it's different , it's radical , so , and then we have an extra bit I don't remember  so I'm pretty sure people will buy the remote , but is it practical to have a voice recognition system in a remote control , I think is a big question. Um , will people will people be willing to wait for the the period that it'll take to train the remote , 'cause I think it will the remote will uh get better over time with the same user user , but for the first week or for the first two weeks are you willing to wait , are you willing to have a bad remote control.  And uh what if you have visitors come round , they stay the night , they wanna use the T_V_ , they can't use the remote because they speak differently to you. Um , how do you account for regional accents and stuff like that. Uh , will people return the remote control ,  I think a lot of young people will buy the remote control , if they have the money , you know , so ,


So we have the three birds , we have the design , that  we have the the fancy bit , right , the voice recognition's fancy , it's cool , it's different , it's radical , so , and then we have an extra bit I don't remember  so I'm pretty sure people will buy the remote , but is it practical to have a voice recognition system in a remote control , I think is a big question. Um , will people will people be willing to wait for the the period that it'll take to train the remote , 'cause I think it will the remote will uh get better over time with the same user user , but for the first week or for the first two weeks are you willing to wait , are you willing to have a bad remote control.  And uh what if you have visitors come round , they stay the night , they wanna use the T_V_ , they can't use the remote because they speak differently to you. Um , how do you account for regional accents and stuff like that. Uh , will people return the remote control ,  I think a lot of young people will buy the remote control , if they have the money , you know , so ,

do our audience have the money , but would they return it after a while because it's not as fast as pressing a button , it's not a practical. So. These are things I think we should consider.


do our audience have the money , but would they return it after a while because it's not as fast as pressing a button , it's not a practical. So. These are things I think we should consider.


do our audience have the money , but would they return it after a while because it's not as fast as pressing a button , it's not a practical. So. These are things I think we should consider.

if you could speed it up a bit , yeah. If you could uh speed it up a bit please , yeah.


if you could speed it up a bit , yeah. If you could uh speed it up a bit please , yeah.


I think it's cool but there are definitely some considerations.


I think it's cool but there are definitely some considerations.

Right. Um. Hear from the  User Interface Designer now I think might be an idea.


Right. Um. Hear from the  User Interface Designer now I think might be an idea.


where did you get all your in information  ?


Okay , this is a  brief run through of the um of the technical functions of the remote. As um is uh the the the presentation is uh already slightly obsolete because I  had in mind something that would uh be i be aimed at controlling multiple devices but uh there's still stuff of relevance , so


Okay , this is a  brief run through of the um of the technical functions of the remote. As um is uh the the the presentation is uh already slightly obsolete because I  had in mind something that would uh be i be aimed at controlling multiple devices but uh there's still stuff of relevance , so

press on. I've looked at  looked at a num  uh couple of other uh remote control models just for an idea of basic design principles. Um and wasn't really satisfied by what I saw I have to say so this is more sort of springboard for uh how these could be improved on.  Um um basically the job of the device is to send commands to an appliance , in this case the television set. Um to save you getting off your backside. Um and there's two main trends in th in the sort of design practice. On the one hand  and this uh this particularly relates to its sort of earliest models where with you know i so so many buttons on it so about the size of the television set. Um giving you every possible function that the that the device has , the remote control controls. And most of these functions are not going to be used , it creates a rather user unfriendly interface. And on the other hand there's a user focused approach that pares things down to just what  what is most likely to get used. Um  With uh  a and a and of course there is a certain amount of sort of loss of function here obviously , but mostly that's relatively peripheral functions. And so you go for something that's fairly intuitive to use , and um well f the for the most part for T_V_ remote it's uh tha that would be channel control and volume. Um and if you  if you if you are wanting to incorporate uh control of a D_V_  D_V_D_ or uh  V_C_R_ presumably into that then there's a play , pause , stop , rewind , fast-forward , record , so forth. Um. My own view is that we should definitely be going for a user focused design. Um but uh the pro  I think the problem with a lot of the sort of user focused designs that are about is that they sort of make assumptions in advance about what uh what a given user's going to uh want mo want to do from  want it to do most. So , something that's uh  something that is more programmable , that uh perh perhaps has the full range of functions available to it but you can then specify yourself what you're most likely to want. Um so that those are then immediately  accessible through fairly minimal number of controls , um I liked Ebenezer's idea of including a joystick in that and uh possibly a sort of fairly minimal number of sort of function buttons , and have a disp  you then have some sort of basic display on it so that if you're um sort of cha changing from different modes for the device it'll tell you just exactly what uh you know each direction of the uh of the um joystick's  going to do or wha or what each function button's going to do. Um , this is actually  a again slightly taking inspiration off of uh games controllers , you know the Playstation control where you have four basic function buttons


press on. I've looked at  looked at a num  uh couple of other uh remote control models just for an idea of basic design principles. Um and wasn't really satisfied by what I saw I have to say so this is more sort of springboard for uh how these could be improved on.  Um um basically the job of the device is to send commands to an appliance , in this case the television set. Um to save you getting off your backside. Um and there's two main trends in th in the sort of design practice. On the one hand  and this uh this particularly relates to its sort of earliest models where with you know i so so many buttons on it so about the size of the television set. Um giving you every possible function that the that the device has , the remote control controls. And most of these functions are not going to be used , it creates a rather user unfriendly interface. And on the other hand there's a user focused approach that pares things down to just what  what is most likely to get used. Um  With uh  a and a and of course there is a certain amount of sort of loss of function here obviously , but mostly that's relatively peripheral functions. And so you go for something that's fairly intuitive to use , and um well f the for the most part for T_V_ remote it's uh tha that would be channel control and volume. Um and if you  if you if you are wanting to incorporate uh control of a D_V_  D_V_D_ or uh  V_C_R_ presumably into that then there's a play , pause , stop , rewind , fast-forward , record , so forth. Um. My own view is that we should definitely be going for a user focused design. Um but uh the pro  I think the problem with a lot of the sort of user focused designs that are about is that they sort of make assumptions in advance about what uh what a given user's going to uh want mo want to do from  want it to do most. So , something that's uh  something that is more programmable , that uh perh perhaps has the full range of functions available to it but you can then specify yourself what you're most likely to want. Um so that those are then immediately  accessible through fairly minimal number of controls , um I liked Ebenezer's idea of including a joystick in that and uh possibly a sort of fairly minimal number of sort of function buttons , and have a disp  you then have some sort of basic display on it so that if you're um sort of cha changing from different modes for the device it'll tell you just exactly what uh you know each direction of the uh of the um joystick's  going to do or wha or what each function button's going to do. Um , this is actually  a again slightly taking inspiration off of uh games controllers , you know the Playstation control where you have four basic function buttons

that are just marked with um distinctive uh geometrical shapes but the  and then dependent on what you're doing with it what game and so on um those uh those functions are then sort of further specified. And so it's taking taking the lead from that. Um.


that are just marked with um distinctive uh geometrical shapes but the  and then dependent on what you're doing with it what game and so on um those uh those functions are then sort of further specified. And so it's taking taking the lead from that. Um.


that are just marked with um distinctive uh geometrical shapes but the  and then dependent on what you're doing with it what game and so on um those uh those functions are then sort of further specified. And so it's taking taking the lead from that. Um.

Right. Um , if we could hear from our Industrial engineer , or Designer.


Right. Um , if we could hear from our Industrial engineer , or Designer.

Yeah. Uh , I was still working on stuff , I hadn't got it finished. Um ,  alright. Click to save in  where do I have to save it ?


Right. Um , if we could hear from our Industrial engineer , or Designer.

Yeah. Uh , I was still working on stuff , I hadn't got it finished. Um ,  alright. Click to save in  where do I have to save it ?

If you look on the desktop you'll find that there's a link to the project folder , or project documents. If you save it in there we can open it up from here.


Right. Um , if we could hear from our Industrial engineer , or Designer.

Yeah. Uh , I was still working on stuff , I hadn't got it finished. Um ,  alright. Click to save in  where do I have to save it ?

If you look on the desktop you'll find that there's a link to the project folder , or project documents. If you save it in there we can open it up from here.

Um , what I've done with it , I'm sorry. Shit. Um


Yeah. Uh , I was still working on stuff , I hadn't got it finished. Um ,  alright. Click to save in  where do I have to save it ?

If you look on the desktop you'll find that there's a link to the project folder , or project documents. If you save it in there we can open it up from here.

Um , what I've done with it , I'm sorry. Shit. Um


If you look on the desktop you'll find that there's a link to the project folder , or project documents. If you save it in there we can open it up from here.

Um , what I've done with it , I'm sorry. Shit. Um

I'm just  closing it now.  where I've saved it.


Um , what I've done with it , I'm sorry. Shit. Um

I'm just  closing it now.  where I've saved it.

Well like if you go to one , uh whichever one you were working


I'm just  closing it now.  where I've saved it.

Well like if you go to one , uh whichever one you were working


Well like if you go to one , uh whichever one you were working


Uh , right I'm responsible for working design , uh , this is basically the inside going on of the the uh remote control. So we have the energy source , we have the user interface , this this is what I've seen. Uh the sender will push the button , the chip will respond , uh and then the dig digital signal is sent to the T_V_. So uh uh , if you go to next slide , you'll see you'll see uh what do we need on the user interface. Do we need uh many buttons , or do we need l many light bulbs that could be easier to uh to realise which appliances are on or not. Um ,  , or would that take too much power , would we need more um components in there to supply the power ? Um , the joystick is another thing , if we were gonna add that , um , there'd be more components to deal with that.


Uh , right I'm responsible for working design , uh , this is basically the inside going on of the the uh remote control. So we have the energy source , we have the user interface , this this is what I've seen. Uh the sender will push the button , the chip will respond , uh and then the dig digital signal is sent to the T_V_. So uh uh , if you go to next slide , you'll see you'll see uh what do we need on the user interface. Do we need uh many buttons , or do we need l many light bulbs that could be easier to uh to realise which appliances are on or not. Um ,  , or would that take too much power , would we need more um components in there to supply the power ? Um , the joystick is another thing , if we were gonna add that , um , there'd be more components to deal with that.

Um  , so uh we need to  I dunno exactly what  That's the design of the the the layout of the uh electronic design , um obviously there'll be more details once we've decided what we're putting on the user interface.


Um  , so uh we need to  I dunno exactly what  That's the design of the the the layout of the uh electronic design , um obviously there'll be more details once we've decided what we're putting on the user interface.

So , that'll be decided , I guess.  Uh , and the next slide. Oh , yeah  Um , if you go to the next slide then.


So , that'll be decided , I guess.  Uh , and the next slide. Oh , yeah  Um , if you go to the next slide then.

I just used the  it was a mess , uh I was just putting adding it together at the end there. Uh


I just used the  it was a mess , uh I was just putting adding it together at the end there. Uh

Uh so you have the energy source obviously connected to the chip , and the user interface obviously contains everything. You have the switch turn it on , infrared bulb , uh will contact the T_V_ and will have whatever device or D_V_D_ player , the bulb will turn on to say it's on. Uh , so do we need on the control uh different buttons to decide , or different light bulbs , would it be easier ? Um , I dunno what we should decide on that.


I just used the  it was a mess , uh I was just putting adding it together at the end there. Uh

Uh so you have the energy source obviously connected to the chip , and the user interface obviously contains everything. You have the switch turn it on , infrared bulb , uh will contact the T_V_ and will have whatever device or D_V_D_ player , the bulb will turn on to say it's on. Uh , so do we need on the control uh different buttons to decide , or different light bulbs , would it be easier ? Um , I dunno what we should decide on that.

Okay. Well. Oh sorry , I'm I'm interrupting you. Are you  is it


Uh so you have the energy source obviously connected to the chip , and the user interface obviously contains everything. You have the switch turn it on , infrared bulb , uh will contact the T_V_ and will have whatever device or D_V_D_ player , the bulb will turn on to say it's on. Uh , so do we need on the control uh different buttons to decide , or different light bulbs , would it be easier ? Um , I dunno what we should decide on that.

Okay. Well. Oh sorry , I'm I'm interrupting you. Are you  is it


Uh so you have the energy source obviously connected to the chip , and the user interface obviously contains everything. You have the switch turn it on , infrared bulb , uh will contact the T_V_ and will have whatever device or D_V_D_ player , the bulb will turn on to say it's on. Uh , so do we need on the control uh different buttons to decide , or different light bulbs , would it be easier ? Um , I dunno what we should decide on that.

Okay. Well. Oh sorry , I'm I'm interrupting you. Are you  is it

yeah ? Okay. Right. Um ,  right we can probably skip that for now. So , we've had some stuff put forward , um along with the new user requirements , um we've had a lot of kind of input I'd say so far. Um I hear what the Marketing Expert's saying about  um voice activated control. However I've got a couple of worries about that.  The power required , um and the ability to the cost , it seems like for uh an embedded system , this could cause us issues.


Okay. Well. Oh sorry , I'm I'm interrupting you. Are you  is it

yeah ? Okay. Right. Um ,  right we can probably skip that for now. So , we've had some stuff put forward , um along with the new user requirements , um we've had a lot of kind of input I'd say so far. Um I hear what the Marketing Expert's saying about  um voice activated control. However I've got a couple of worries about that.  The power required , um and the ability to the cost , it seems like for uh an embedded system , this could cause us issues.


yeah ? Okay. Right. Um ,  right we can probably skip that for now. So , we've had some stuff put forward , um along with the new user requirements , um we've had a lot of kind of input I'd say so far. Um I hear what the Marketing Expert's saying about  um voice activated control. However I've got a couple of worries about that.  The power required , um and the ability to the cost , it seems like for uh an embedded system , this could cause us issues.

Um for example you see that there's fairly robust services on uh computers via uh via voice , I_B_M_ do um drag and dictate , but these require a lot of memory


Um for example you see that there's fairly robust services on uh computers via uh via voice , I_B_M_ do um drag and dictate , but these require a lot of memory

and usually um state quite advanced processor requirements. Um voice activation could be an interesting idea but I think that our Ind Industrial Designer would probably upon some research say that it's maybe not feasible.


and usually um state quite advanced processor requirements. Um voice activation could be an interesting idea but I think that our Ind Industrial Designer would probably upon some research say that it's maybe not feasible.


however the idea of a joystick and then maybe an L_C_D_ which has been kind of put forward so far , it's almost like having a small T_ not T_V_ to say , but if you can control almost all of the functionality from the display , I don't know how much power an L_C_D_ would take , but it might be quite low ?


however the idea of a joystick and then maybe an L_C_D_ which has been kind of put forward so far , it's almost like having a small T_ not T_V_ to say , but if you can control almost all of the functionality from the display , I don't know how much power an L_C_D_ would take , but it might be quite low ?

L_C_D_ on the remote just telling you what's on , or  uh , interactive L_C_D_ or


however the idea of a joystick and then maybe an L_C_D_ which has been kind of put forward so far , it's almost like having a small T_ not T_V_ to say , but if you can control almost all of the functionality from the display , I don't know how much power an L_C_D_ would take , but it might be quite low ?

L_C_D_ on the remote just telling you what's on , or  uh , interactive L_C_D_ or

Well literally um if you can imagine the display maybe slightly larger than um those on a  a mobile phone ,


L_C_D_ on the remote just telling you what's on , or  uh , interactive L_C_D_ or

Well literally um if you can imagine the display maybe slightly larger than um those on a  a mobile phone ,


L_C_D_ on the remote just telling you what's on , or  uh , interactive L_C_D_ or

Well literally um if you can imagine the display maybe slightly larger than um those on a  a mobile phone ,

something where you can read an an um fair amount of information , traverse maybe quite a few menus , if we maybe used mobile phones as a good example , they usually incorporate they have the keypad , and then evr all the other functionality is usually associated inside by traversing around.


Well literally um if you can imagine the display maybe slightly larger than um those on a  a mobile phone ,

something where you can read an an um fair amount of information , traverse maybe quite a few menus , if we maybe used mobile phones as a good example , they usually incorporate they have the keypad , and then evr all the other functionality is usually associated inside by traversing around.


something where you can read an an um fair amount of information , traverse maybe quite a few menus , if we maybe used mobile phones as a good example , they usually incorporate they have the keypad , and then evr all the other functionality is usually associated inside by traversing around.

That could be one possibility. Um and then we could have like say the common buttons as you say , volume control , changing channels


something where you can read an an um fair amount of information , traverse maybe quite a few menus , if we maybe used mobile phones as a good example , they usually incorporate they have the keypad , and then evr all the other functionality is usually associated inside by traversing around.

That could be one possibility. Um and then we could have like say the common buttons as you say , volume control , changing channels

Mm.  I I was thinking that the remote  the um  sort of default functions for the joystick would be up and down for uh volume , left and right for channels.


That could be one possibility. Um and then we could have like say the common buttons as you say , volume control , changing channels

Mm.  I I was thinking that the remote  the um  sort of default functions for the joystick would be up and down for uh volume , left and right for channels.


That could be one possibility. Um and then we could have like say the common buttons as you say , volume control , changing channels

Mm.  I I was thinking that the remote  the um  sort of default functions for the joystick would be up and down for uh volume , left and right for channels.

Do you think that people will get mixed up , like , they'll be looking at this screen and that screen and then , you know , trying to get everything working , would it be a bit confusing ?


Mm.  I I was thinking that the remote  the um  sort of default functions for the joystick would be up and down for uh volume , left and right for channels.

Do you think that people will get mixed up , like , they'll be looking at this screen and that screen and then , you know , trying to get everything working , would it be a bit confusing ?

Um I think probably for the first couple of hours of using it


Do you think that people will get mixed up , like , they'll be looking at this screen and that screen and then , you know , trying to get everything working , would it be a bit confusing ?

Um I think probably for the first couple of hours of using it


Do you think that people will get mixed up , like , they'll be looking at this screen and that screen and then , you know , trying to get everything working , would it be a bit confusing ?

Um I think probably for the first couple of hours of using it

um but you know muscle memory's a wonderful thing , um. And I think  and I think that size of uh display was about what I had in mind.


Um I think probably for the first couple of hours of using it

um but you know muscle memory's a wonderful thing , um. And I think  and I think that size of uh display was about what I had in mind.


um but you know muscle memory's a wonderful thing , um. And I think  and I think that size of uh display was about what I had in mind.

Um though I mean I w I would say that uh we could probably probably be required to um mo most of the mobile phone displays you see these days are colour but we should probably try to stick to black and white.


Um though I mean I w I would say that uh we could probably probably be required to um mo most of the mobile phone displays you see these days are colour but we should probably try to stick to black and white.

Si si simply to keep m keep the unit cost down. Um I mean colour could be a sort of subsequent development but uh you know cost a bit of extra money f w w w w w once everyone's got the first , you know , oh colour's out , we'll have to replace it won't we.


Si si simply to keep m keep the unit cost down. Um I mean colour could be a sort of subsequent development but uh you know cost a bit of extra money f w w w w w once everyone's got the first , you know , oh colour's out , we'll have to replace it won't we.


Si si simply to keep m keep the unit cost down. Um I mean colour could be a sort of subsequent development but uh you know cost a bit of extra money f w w w w w once everyone's got the first , you know , oh colour's out , we'll have to replace it won't we.

That would be my feeling as well , I think we could possibly create quite a useful user interface. Um now I mean I don't


That would be my feeling as well , I think we could possibly create quite a useful user interface. Um now I mean I don't

Sure but the idea of a remote with a menu or  and a joystick I think like I h if I was in the habit of buying remote controls then I would want one ,


That would be my feeling as well , I think we could possibly create quite a useful user interface. Um now I mean I don't

Sure but the idea of a remote with a menu or  and a joystick I think like I h if I was in the habit of buying remote controls then I would want one ,

but I think we don't have a specific audience , you know , like what is our target audience , what niche are  niche are we trying to market and corner. You know , you know what I'm saying , like , for whom is this intended ? Everybody ?


Sure but the idea of a remote with a menu or  and a joystick I think like I h if I was in the habit of buying remote controls then I would want one ,

but I think we don't have a specific audience , you know , like what is our target audience , what niche are  niche are we trying to market and corner. You know , you know what I'm saying , like , for whom is this intended ? Everybody ?

I think it could probably be aimed at most people who've used a mobile. And that might be just another way of saying try to target most people.


but I think we don't have a specific audience , you know , like what is our target audience , what niche are  niche are we trying to market and corner. You know , you know what I'm saying , like , for whom is this intended ? Everybody ?

I think it could probably be aimed at most people who've used a mobile. And that might be just another way of saying try to target most people.


I think it could probably be aimed at most people who've used a mobile. And that might be just another way of saying try to target most people.

Um , if we are if we were to follow that avenue , we might be s you know um we're kind of almost relying on their experience with a mobile phone I suppose. But that does cover a very large section of the people out there.


Um , if we are if we were to follow that avenue , we might be s you know um we're kind of almost relying on their experience with a mobile phone I suppose. But that does cover a very large section of the people out there.

Mm-hmm. Sure. I think that's fair  yeah.


Um , if we are if we were to follow that avenue , we might be s you know um we're kind of almost relying on their experience with a mobile phone I suppose. But that does cover a very large section of the people out there.

Mm-hmm. Sure. I think that's fair  yeah.

Um , I mean I imagine as well that the actual L_C_D_ and maybe to a certain extent the joystick as well would be for the additional functionality. Which maybe doesn't get used as often , maybe it makes it easy for them to figure out how to um change the channels as in the frequencies and such for reprogramming it.


Mm-hmm. Sure. I think that's fair  yeah.

Um , I mean I imagine as well that the actual L_C_D_ and maybe to a certain extent the joystick as well would be for the additional functionality. Which maybe doesn't get used as often , maybe it makes it easy for them to figure out how to um change the channels as in the frequencies and such for reprogramming it.


Um , I mean I imagine as well that the actual L_C_D_ and maybe to a certain extent the joystick as well would be for the additional functionality. Which maybe doesn't get used as often , maybe it makes it easy for them to figure out how to um change the channels as in the frequencies and such for reprogramming it.

Um and you can still have the main buttons that allow the people to turn the machine on and off , d up and down , it depends , I mean maybe we have the fol um the joystick as a separate one for the other functions then , that there's just a a small number of as you were saying uh buttons that have already been defined.


Um and you can still have the main buttons that allow the people to turn the machine on and off , d up and down , it depends , I mean maybe we have the fol um the joystick as a separate one for the other functions then , that there's just a a small number of as you were saying uh buttons that have already been defined.

So like we go for the nice standard um up and down for and volume control. So that literally anybody can come along , pick up the remote and still know what do do. And they can completely ignore most of the functionality which would be for say the o actual owner of the the T_V_


So like we go for the nice standard um up and down for and volume control. So that literally anybody can come along , pick up the remote and still know what do do. And they can completely ignore most of the functionality which would be for say the o actual owner of the the T_V_


So like we go for the nice standard um up and down for and volume control. So that literally anybody can come along , pick up the remote and still know what do do. And they can completely ignore most of the functionality which would be for say the o actual owner of the the T_V_

Mm.  I th the thing I like about the uh the uh joystick


Mm.  I th the thing I like about the uh the uh joystick


Mm.  I th the thing I like about the uh the uh joystick

is that uh you you you then basically you can then basically put it I mean for for T_ T_ for T_V_ remote alone , you could put um I mean there are  like I say the the the main things people do with a T_V_ remote control is the volume and the channel. You can pack all that onto was onto a single control. Um.


is that uh you you you then basically you can then basically put it I mean for for T_ T_ for T_V_ remote alone , you could put um I mean there are  like I say the the the main things people do with a T_V_ remote control is the volume and the channel. You can pack all that onto was onto a single control. Um.


is that uh you you you then basically you can then basically put it I mean for for T_ T_ for T_V_ remote alone , you could put um I mean there are  like I say the the the main things people do with a T_V_ remote control is the volume and the channel. You can pack all that onto was onto a single control. Um.

But uh but the  but then o uh obviously if uh you know if you i if you wanted to access further functions i  you you then get to sort of menu navigation. I mean with things like ch with things like tuning and channels um you know adjusting brightn uh brightness and  fiddly things that no one really bothers with , most T_V_s these days actually have menus anyway so this would be a fairly rational way of integra


But uh but the  but then o uh obviously if uh you know if you i if you wanted to access further functions i  you you then get to sort of menu navigation. I mean with things like ch with things like tuning and channels um you know adjusting brightn uh brightness and  fiddly things that no one really bothers with , most T_V_s these days actually have menus anyway so this would be a fairly rational way of integra

integrating the uh the remote with the device it's controlling. Um  concern about our market. Um , if we are I mean most of the uh of the replacement remote market is sort of  remote control rationalisation. Um , you've got twenty different devices in your living room ,


integrating the uh the remote with the device it's controlling. Um  concern about our market. Um , if we are I mean most of the uh of the replacement remote market is sort of  remote control rationalisation. Um , you've got twenty different devices in your living room ,

you want one wo  y you want one that'll do the job of all of them. Um , if all you're replacing is one of the you know however many remotes you have in your living room , um you know you still need separate remotes for everything else.


you want one wo  y you want one that'll do the job of all of them. Um , if all you're replacing is one of the you know however many remotes you have in your living room , um you know you still need separate remotes for everything else.


you want one wo  y you want one that'll do the job of all of them. Um , if all you're replacing is one of the you know however many remotes you have in your living room , um you know you still need separate remotes for everything else.

Well this is a requirement that we have to stick to I'm afraid ,


Well this is a requirement that we have to stick to I'm afraid ,


Well this is a requirement that we have to stick to I'm afraid ,

this isn't one that I've just arbitrarily decided on.


this isn't one that I've just arbitrarily decided on.

So um this is this is one of the solid ones that has to be obeyed , for now.


So um this is this is one of the solid ones that has to be obeyed , for now.

So I can understand your point , and I would agree with you , but this is our design spec for now. 'Fraid to say. Um


So um this is this is one of the solid ones that has to be obeyed , for now.

So I can understand your point , and I would agree with you , but this is our design spec for now. 'Fraid to say. Um

Does that um would that include um access to say  interactive functions on digital or cable ?


So I can understand your point , and I would agree with you , but this is our design spec for now. 'Fraid to say. Um

Does that um would that include um access to say  interactive functions on digital or cable ?


So I can understand your point , and I would agree with you , but this is our design spec for now. 'Fraid to say. Um

Does that um would that include um access to say  interactive functions on digital or cable ?

I would say so , yes , because then we have to be able to control the remote boxes , and that is a separate unit. Um I think that it  I would say that the design spec we've been  with is for the television only for now.


Does that um would that include um access to say  interactive functions on digital or cable ?

I would say so , yes , because then we have to be able to control the remote boxes , and that is a separate unit. Um I think that it  I would say that the design spec we've been  with is for the television only for now.


I would say so , yes , because then we have to be able to control the remote boxes , and that is a separate unit. Um I think that it  I would say that the design spec we've been  with is for the television only for now.

And until we hear otherwise we should go with just that.


And until we hear otherwise we should go with just that.


And until we hear otherwise we should go with just that.

Okay. Maybe we'll hear differently , but for now


Okay. Maybe we'll hear differently , but for now

So the joystick is just for differentness.


Okay. Maybe we'll hear differently , but for now

So the joystick is just for differentness.

It would be ease of manipulation of certain functions , yes. Um


So the joystick is just for differentness.

It would be ease of manipulation of certain functions , yes. Um


It would be ease of manipulation of certain functions , yes. Um

Just a thought.  Um maybe then our market should be T_V_ manufacturers , rather than the public. Try and sell it t sell it to them to supply with um


It would be ease of manipulation of certain functions , yes. Um

Just a thought.  Um maybe then our market should be T_V_ manufacturers , rather than the public. Try and sell it t sell it to them to supply with um

There is that possibility , yes. B However I don't know exactly where we'll be going with that , but it might not even be the avenue of the Marketing Expert ,


Just a thought.  Um maybe then our market should be T_V_ manufacturers , rather than the public. Try and sell it t sell it to them to supply with um

There is that possibility , yes. B However I don't know exactly where we'll be going with that , but it might not even be the avenue of the Marketing Expert ,


Just a thought.  Um maybe then our market should be T_V_ manufacturers , rather than the public. Try and sell it t sell it to them to supply with um

There is that possibility , yes. B However I don't know exactly where we'll be going with that , but it might not even be the avenue of the Marketing Expert ,

that might be sales , who are not in this meeting.


There is that possibility , yes. B However I don't know exactly where we'll be going with that , but it might not even be the avenue of the Marketing Expert ,

that might be sales , who are not in this meeting.

Mm-hmm. It's just , the way I figure it , twelve point five Euros per unit , we have to sell at least like three million or something like that ,


that might be sales , who are not in this meeting.

Mm-hmm. It's just , the way I figure it , twelve point five Euros per unit , we have to sell at least like three million or something like that ,


that might be sales , who are not in this meeting.

Mm-hmm. It's just , the way I figure it , twelve point five Euros per unit , we have to sell at least like three million or something like that ,

not to account for all the the money we waste on remotes that no one buys , you know , like if we made a perf if we made a ks for every remote we made someone bought it , then we have to sell a lot of remote controls.


Mm-hmm. It's just , the way I figure it , twelve point five Euros per unit , we have to sell at least like three million or something like that ,

not to account for all the the money we waste on remotes that no one buys , you know , like if we made a perf if we made a ks for every remote we made someone bought it , then we have to sell a lot of remote controls.


not to account for all the the money we waste on remotes that no one buys , you know , like if we made a perf if we made a ks for every remote we made someone bought it , then we have to sell a lot of remote controls.

We just  Is this gonna be enough to to sell ?


not to account for all the the money we waste on remotes that no one buys , you know , like if we made a perf if we made a ks for every remote we made someone bought it , then we have to sell a lot of remote controls.

We just  Is this gonna be enough to to sell ?

Well , something else that you brought up was uh the ability to lose a remote , which as you said you've done , in fact we've probably all done.


We just  Is this gonna be enough to to sell ?

Well , something else that you brought up was uh the ability to lose a remote , which as you said you've done , in fact we've probably all done.


We just  Is this gonna be enough to to sell ?

Well , something else that you brought up was uh the ability to lose a remote , which as you said you've done , in fact we've probably all done.

Um , I don't know if it's a gimmick or not , but have any of you ever seen those odd little key rings where if you whistle , it will beep and you  tell you where it is.


Well , something else that you brought up was uh the ability to lose a remote , which as you said you've done , in fact we've probably all done.

Um , I don't know if it's a gimmick or not , but have any of you ever seen those odd little key rings where if you whistle , it will beep and you  tell you where it is.


Um , I don't know if it's a gimmick or not , but have any of you ever seen those odd little key rings where if you whistle , it will beep and you  tell you where it is.

I had one of those , and my brother , and my dad , could have beat me up


I had one of those , and my brother , and my dad , could have beat me up

because it it went off all the time accidentally.


I had one of those , and my brother , and my dad , could have beat me up

because it it went off all the time accidentally.

the other option of course is that um the


because it it went off all the time accidentally.

the other option of course is that um the


because it it went off all the time accidentally.

the other option of course is that um the

well  I was going to say clapping , um  Um digital telephones , uh for example , one unit has  of course you have to have that base unit , somewhere where there's a button , but maybe it's a button that you attach to the T_V_.


the other option of course is that um the

well  I was going to say clapping , um  Um digital telephones , uh for example , one unit has  of course you have to have that base unit , somewhere where there's a button , but maybe it's a button that you attach to the T_V_.


well  I was going to say clapping , um  Um digital telephones , uh for example , one unit has  of course you have to have that base unit , somewhere where there's a button , but maybe it's a button that you attach to the T_V_.


well  I was going to say clapping , um  Um digital telephones , uh for example , one unit has  of course you have to have that base unit , somewhere where there's a button , but maybe it's a button that you attach to the T_V_.

Something which you when you press that , it would beep to give its location away , on the remote unit.


Something which you when you press that , it would beep to give its location away , on the remote unit.


Something which you when you press that , it would beep to give its location away , on the remote unit.

And that could be something could um separate us a bit.


And that could be something could um separate us a bit.


And that could be something could um separate us a bit.

And that way , because we're attaching what would be a small button to the T_V_ , again say what , it would be a small transmitter , um watch battery type scenario I would say , or something that if it was problems enough you could actually even just um I don't  power  that might be something that we could look into.


And that way , because we're attaching what would be a small button to the T_V_ , again say what , it would be a small transmitter , um watch battery type scenario I would say , or something that if it was problems enough you could actually even just um I don't  power  that might be something that we could look into.

Yep. Yeah , it's uh putting a lot on your shoulders there , so I mean that could be something that separates us a bit from the market as well.


Yep. Yeah , it's uh putting a lot on your shoulders there , so I mean that could be something that separates us a bit from the market as well.

So. To go on from here. Um we have to decide exactly what we're going to do with the remote. Before we leave this meeting , it would be best to say this is what we're going  this is the design we're gonna try and get , this is how we're gonna make ourselves look unique.


So. To go on from here. Um we have to decide exactly what we're going to do with the remote. Before we leave this meeting , it would be best to say this is what we're going  this is the design we're gonna try and get , this is how we're gonna make ourselves look unique.

Do we go for maybe a remote contro uh sorry , we're gonna go for a remote control obviously , do we go for a small joystick that would operate say changing channels , up and down , and then , what , another button that would say that it's now being used to manoeuvre round the L_C_D_.


Do we go for maybe a remote contro uh sorry , we're gonna go for a remote control obviously , do we go for a small joystick that would operate say changing channels , up and down , and then , what , another button that would say that it's now being used to manoeuvre round the L_C_D_.

We're just saying volume. Should volume be important in the joystick , do you think ?


We're just saying volume. Should volume be important in the joystick , do you think ?

We could use say the left and right for changing channels and the up and down for volume ,


We could use say the left and right for changing channels and the up and down for volume ,


We could use say the left and right for changing channels and the up and down for volume ,

But we have a frequency of how what people use a remote control for most.


But we have a frequency of how what people use a remote control for most.


channel selection is used a hundred and sixty eight per hour ,


channel selection is used a hundred and sixty eight per hour ,

that's by far the biggest one , and then teletext , is still here , that's like fourteen ,


that's by far the biggest one , and then teletext , is still here , that's like fourteen ,