And do you splice them into the  waveform ? Or  ?

Yeah. He  then he d I recorded  Actually , I recorded one through ten three times at three different speeds and then he picked.


And do you splice them into the  waveform ? Or  ?

Yeah. He  then he d I recorded  Actually , I recorded one through ten three times at three different speeds and then he picked.

He liked the fastest one , so he just cut those out  and spliced them in between , uh , two beeps.


Yeah. He  then he d I recorded  Actually , I recorded one through ten three times at three different speeds and then he picked.

He liked the fastest one , so he just cut those out  and spliced them in between , uh , two beeps.

It sounds like a radio announcer 's voice. Really.


He liked the fastest one , so he just cut those out  and spliced them in between , uh , two beeps.

It sounds like a radio announcer 's voice. Really.


It sounds like a radio announcer 's voice. Really.


It will be funny when you 're really reading digits , and then there are the chunks with  with your  digits in ?


Uh , maybe we should have you record A , B , C for those or something.


Uh , maybe we should have you record A , B , C for those or something.

Yeah.  Huh ! Maybe. And she said it wasn't gonna  the transcriber said it wouldn't be a problem cuz they can actually make a template , uh , that has beep , number , beep. So for them it 'll be very quick


Uh , maybe we should have you record A , B , C for those or something.

Yeah.  Huh ! Maybe. And she said it wasn't gonna  the transcriber said it wouldn't be a problem cuz they can actually make a template , uh , that has beep , number , beep. So for them it 'll be very quick

to  to put those in there  when they 're transcribing.


Yeah.  Huh ! Maybe. And she said it wasn't gonna  the transcriber said it wouldn't be a problem cuz they can actually make a template , uh , that has beep , number , beep. So for them it 'll be very quick

to  to put those in there  when they 're transcribing.


to  to put those in there  when they 're transcribing.

So , um , we  We 're gonna send them one more sample meeting , uh , and Thilo has run his segmentation. Adam 's gonna generate the chunked file. And then , um , I 'll give it to Brian and they can try that out. And when we get that back we 'll see if that sort of fixes the problem we had with , uh , too many beeps in the last transcription.


to  to put those in there  when they 're transcribing.

So , um , we  We 're gonna send them one more sample meeting , uh , and Thilo has run his segmentation. Adam 's gonna generate the chunked file. And then , um , I 'll give it to Brian and they can try that out. And when we get that back we 'll see if that sort of fixes the problem we had with , uh , too many beeps in the last transcription.

OK. Do w do  what  Do you have any idea of the turn - around on  on those steps you just said ?


So , um , we  We 're gonna send them one more sample meeting , uh , and Thilo has run his segmentation. Adam 's gonna generate the chunked file. And then , um , I 'll give it to Brian and they can try that out. And when we get that back we 'll see if that sort of fixes the problem we had with , uh , too many beeps in the last transcription.

OK. Do w do  what  Do you have any idea of the turn - around on  on those steps you just said ?


OK. Do w do  what  Do you have any idea of the turn - around on  on those steps you just said ?


Well , I don't know. The last one seemed like it took a couple of weeks. Um , maybe even three.


Well , I don't know. The last one seemed like it took a couple of weeks. Um , maybe even three.

Uh , that 's just the I B M side. Our side is quick. I mean , I  I don't know. How long does your  ?


Well , I don't know. The last one seemed like it took a couple of weeks. Um , maybe even three.

Uh , that 's just the I B M side. Our side is quick. I mean , I  I don't know. How long does your  ?

It should @ @ be finished today or something. Yeah.


Uh , that 's just the I B M side. Our side is quick. I mean , I  I don't know. How long does your  ?

It should @ @ be finished today or something. Yeah.


It should @ @ be finished today or something. Yeah.

e e u u  The reason I 'm asking is because , uh , Jane and I have just been talking , and she 's just been doing.  Uh , e a , you know , further hiring of transcribers.


e e u u  The reason I 'm asking is because , uh , Jane and I have just been talking , and she 's just been doing.  Uh , e a , you know , further hiring of transcribers.


e e u u  The reason I 'm asking is because , uh , Jane and I have just been talking , and she 's just been doing.  Uh , e a , you know , further hiring of transcribers.

And so we don't sort of really know exactly what they 'll be doing , how long they 'll be doing it , and so forth , because right now she has no choice but to operate in the mode that we already have working.


And so we don't sort of really know exactly what they 'll be doing , how long they 'll be doing it , and so forth , because right now she has no choice but to operate in the mode that we already have working.

And , uh , so it 'd be  It 'd be good to sort of get that resolved , uh , soon as we could ,


And so we don't sort of really know exactly what they 'll be doing , how long they 'll be doing it , and so forth , because right now she has no choice but to operate in the mode that we already have working.

And , uh , so it 'd be  It 'd be good to sort of get that resolved , uh , soon as we could ,

Yeah. I  Yeah , I  I hope @ @  we can get a better estimate from this  one that we send them.


And , uh , so it 'd be  It 'd be good to sort of get that resolved , uh , soon as we could ,

Yeah. I  Yeah , I  I hope @ @  we can get a better estimate from this  one that we send them.


Yeah. I  Yeah , I  I hope @ @  we can get a better estimate from this  one that we send them.


I  I don't know yet how long that 'll take.


I  I don't know yet how long that 'll take.

Yeah. Um  I mean in particular I would  I would really hope that when we do this DARPA meeting in July that we sort of have  we 're  we 're into production mode , somehow


I  I don't know yet how long that 'll take.

Yeah. Um  I mean in particular I would  I would really hope that when we do this DARPA meeting in July that we sort of have  we 're  we 're into production mode , somehow

You know , that we  we actually  have a stream going and we know how  how well it does and how  and how it operates.


Yeah. Um  I mean in particular I would  I would really hope that when we do this DARPA meeting in July that we sort of have  we 're  we 're into production mode , somehow

You know , that we  we actually  have a stream going and we know how  how well it does and how  and how it operates.


You know , that we  we actually  have a stream going and we know how  how well it does and how  and how it operates.

I think that would  that would certainly be a  a very good thing to know.


I think that would  that would certainly be a  a very good thing to know.

OK. Uh. Maybe before we do the meeting info organize thing , maybe you could say relevant stuff about where we are in transcriptions.


I think that would  that would certainly be a  a very good thing to know.

OK. Uh. Maybe before we do the meeting info organize thing , maybe you could say relevant stuff about where we are in transcriptions.

OK. So , um , we   Uh , the transcribers have continued to work past what I 'm calling " set one " , which was the s the set that I 've been , uh  OK , talking about up to this point , but , uh , they 've gotten five meetings done in that set. Right now they 're in the process of being edited. Um , the , um  Let 's see , I hired two transcribers today. I 'm thinking of hiring another one , which will  because we 've had a lot of attrition. And that will bring our total to


OK. Uh. Maybe before we do the meeting info organize thing , maybe you could say relevant stuff about where we are in transcriptions.

OK. So , um , we   Uh , the transcribers have continued to work past what I 'm calling " set one " , which was the s the set that I 've been , uh  OK , talking about up to this point , but , uh , they 've gotten five meetings done in that set. Right now they 're in the process of being edited. Um , the , um  Let 's see , I hired two transcribers today. I 'm thinking of hiring another one , which will  because we 've had a lot of attrition. And that will bring our total to

They die off after they do this for a while.


OK. Uh. Maybe before we do the meeting info organize thing , maybe you could say relevant stuff about where we are in transcriptions.

OK. So , um , we   Uh , the transcribers have continued to work past what I 'm calling " set one " , which was the s the set that I 've been , uh  OK , talking about up to this point , but , uh , they 've gotten five meetings done in that set. Right now they 're in the process of being edited. Um , the , um  Let 's see , I hired two transcribers today. I 'm thinking of hiring another one , which will  because we 've had a lot of attrition. And that will bring our total to

They die off after they do this for a while.

Yeah. Well , you know , it 's  it 's various things.


OK. So , um , we   Uh , the transcribers have continued to work past what I 'm calling " set one " , which was the s the set that I 've been , uh  OK , talking about up to this point , but , uh , they 've gotten five meetings done in that set. Right now they 're in the process of being edited. Um , the , um  Let 's see , I hired two transcribers today. I 'm thinking of hiring another one , which will  because we 've had a lot of attrition. And that will bring our total to

They die off after they do this for a while.

Yeah. Well , you know , it 's  it 's various things.


They die off after they do this for a while.

Yeah. Well , you know , it 's  it 's various things.


Yeah. Well , you know , it 's  it 's various things.

So , one of them had a baby. Um , you know , one of them really w wasn't planning


So , one of them had a baby. Um , you know , one of them really w wasn't planning

Oh , that was an unfor unforeseen side effect of


So , one of them had a baby. Um , you know , one of them really w wasn't planning

Oh , that was an unfor unforeseen side effect of

Eh , one of them , um , had never planned to work past January. I mean , it 's th all these various things , cuz we , you know , we presented it as possibly a month project back in January and  and  and  and  Um , so it makes sense. Uh , through attrition we  we 've  we 're down to  to two , but they 're really solid. We 're really lucky the two that we kept. And , um  Well , I don't mean  I don't mean anything against the others.  What I mean is we 've got a good cause  a good core. No. We had a good core


So , one of them had a baby. Um , you know , one of them really w wasn't planning

Oh , that was an unfor unforeseen side effect of

Eh , one of them , um , had never planned to work past January. I mean , it 's th all these various things , cuz we , you know , we presented it as possibly a month project back in January and  and  and  and  Um , so it makes sense. Uh , through attrition we  we 've  we 're down to  to two , but they 're really solid. We 're really lucky the two that we kept. And , um  Well , I don't mean  I don't mean anything against the others.  What I mean is we 've got a good cause  a good core. No. We had a good core

Well , they won't hear this since they 're going. They won't be transcribing this meeting.


Oh , that was an unfor unforeseen side effect of

Eh , one of them , um , had never planned to work past January. I mean , it 's th all these various things , cuz we , you know , we presented it as possibly a month project back in January and  and  and  and  Um , so it makes sense. Uh , through attrition we  we 've  we 're down to  to two , but they 're really solid. We 're really lucky the two that we kept. And , um  Well , I don't mean  I don't mean anything against the others.  What I mean is we 've got a good cause  a good core. No. We had a good core

Well , they won't hear this since they 're going. They won't be transcribing this meeting.

Yeah , but still. I mean , I d it 's just a matter of we  w we 're  we 've got , uh ,


Eh , one of them , um , had never planned to work past January. I mean , it 's th all these various things , cuz we , you know , we presented it as possibly a month project back in January and  and  and  and  Um , so it makes sense. Uh , through attrition we  we 've  we 're down to  to two , but they 're really solid. We 're really lucky the two that we kept. And , um  Well , I don't mean  I don't mean anything against the others.  What I mean is we 've got a good cause  a good core. No. We had a good core

Well , they won't hear this since they 're going. They won't be transcribing this meeting.

Yeah , but still. I mean , I d it 's just a matter of we  w we 're  we 've got , uh ,


Well , they won't hear this since they 're going. They won't be transcribing this meeting.

Yeah , but still. I mean , I d it 's just a matter of we  w we 're  we 've got , uh ,

two of the ones who  who , um , ha had been putting in a lot of hours up to this point and they 're continuing to put in a  a lot of hours , which is wonderful , and excellent work. And so , then , in addition , um , I hired two more today and I 'm planning to h hire a third one with this  within this coming week , but   but the plan is  just as , uh , Morgan was saying we discussed this , and the plan right now is to keep the staff on the  on the leaner side , you know , rather than hiring , like , eight to ten right now ,


Yeah , but still. I mean , I d it 's just a matter of we  w we 're  we 've got , uh ,

two of the ones who  who , um , ha had been putting in a lot of hours up to this point and they 're continuing to put in a  a lot of hours , which is wonderful , and excellent work. And so , then , in addition , um , I hired two more today and I 'm planning to h hire a third one with this  within this coming week , but   but the plan is  just as , uh , Morgan was saying we discussed this , and the plan right now is to keep the staff on the  on the leaner side , you know , rather than hiring , like , eight to ten right now ,


two of the ones who  who , um , ha had been putting in a lot of hours up to this point and they 're continuing to put in a  a lot of hours , which is wonderful , and excellent work. And so , then , in addition , um , I hired two more today and I 'm planning to h hire a third one with this  within this coming week , but   but the plan is  just as , uh , Morgan was saying we discussed this , and the plan right now is to keep the staff on the  on the leaner side , you know , rather than hiring , like , eight to ten right now ,

because if the IBM thing comes through really quickly , then , um , we wouldn't wanna have to , uh , you know , lay people off and stuff. So. And this way it 'll  I mean , I got really a lot of response for  for my notice and I think I could hire additional people if I  wish to.


two of the ones who  who , um , ha had been putting in a lot of hours up to this point and they 're continuing to put in a  a lot of hours , which is wonderful , and excellent work. And so , then , in addition , um , I hired two more today and I 'm planning to h hire a third one with this  within this coming week , but   but the plan is  just as , uh , Morgan was saying we discussed this , and the plan right now is to keep the staff on the  on the leaner side , you know , rather than hiring , like , eight to ten right now ,

because if the IBM thing comes through really quickly , then , um , we wouldn't wanna have to , uh , you know , lay people off and stuff. So. And this way it 'll  I mean , I got really a lot of response for  for my notice and I think I could hire additional people if I  wish to.

Yeah. An - and the other thing is , I mean , in the unlikely event  and since we 're so far from this , it 's a little hard to plan this way  in the unlikely event that we actually find  that we have , uh , transcribers on staff who are twiddling their thumbs because , you know , there 's , you know ,  all the stuff that  that was sitting there has been transcribed and they 're  and they 're faster  the  the pipeline is faster than   uh , than the generation , um , eh , i in  in the day  e event that that day actually dawns , uh , I  I bet we could find some other stuff for them to do.


because if the IBM thing comes through really quickly , then , um , we wouldn't wanna have to , uh , you know , lay people off and stuff. So. And this way it 'll  I mean , I got really a lot of response for  for my notice and I think I could hire additional people if I  wish to.

Yeah. An - and the other thing is , I mean , in the unlikely event  and since we 're so far from this , it 's a little hard to plan this way  in the unlikely event that we actually find  that we have , uh , transcribers on staff who are twiddling their thumbs because , you know , there 's , you know ,  all the stuff that  that was sitting there has been transcribed and they 're  and they 're faster  the  the pipeline is faster than   uh , than the generation , um , eh , i in  in the day  e event that that day actually dawns , uh , I  I bet we could find some other stuff for them to do.


because if the IBM thing comes through really quickly , then , um , we wouldn't wanna have to , uh , you know , lay people off and stuff. So. And this way it 'll  I mean , I got really a lot of response for  for my notice and I think I could hire additional people if I  wish to.

Yeah. An - and the other thing is , I mean , in the unlikely event  and since we 're so far from this , it 's a little hard to plan this way  in the unlikely event that we actually find  that we have , uh , transcribers on staff who are twiddling their thumbs because , you know , there 's , you know ,  all the stuff that  that was sitting there has been transcribed and they 're  and they 're faster  the  the pipeline is faster than   uh , than the generation , um , eh , i in  in the day  e event that that day actually dawns , uh , I  I bet we could find some other stuff for them to do.

So I  I think  that , eh , eh , a as we were talking , if we  if we hire twelve , then we could , you know , run into a problem later. I mean , we also just couldn't sustain that forever. But  but , um  for all sorts of reasons  but if we hire f you know , f we have five on staff  five or six on staff at any given time , then  it 's a small enough number so we can be flexible either way.


Yeah. An - and the other thing is , I mean , in the unlikely event  and since we 're so far from this , it 's a little hard to plan this way  in the unlikely event that we actually find  that we have , uh , transcribers on staff who are twiddling their thumbs because , you know , there 's , you know ,  all the stuff that  that was sitting there has been transcribed and they 're  and they 're faster  the  the pipeline is faster than   uh , than the generation , um , eh , i in  in the day  e event that that day actually dawns , uh , I  I bet we could find some other stuff for them to do.

So I  I think  that , eh , eh , a as we were talking , if we  if we hire twelve , then we could , you know , run into a problem later. I mean , we also just couldn't sustain that forever. But  but , um  for all sorts of reasons  but if we hire f you know , f we have five on staff  five or six on staff at any given time , then  it 's a small enough number so we can be flexible either way.


So I  I think  that , eh , eh , a as we were talking , if we  if we hire twelve , then we could , you know , run into a problem later. I mean , we also just couldn't sustain that forever. But  but , um  for all sorts of reasons  but if we hire f you know , f we have five on staff  five or six on staff at any given time , then  it 's a small enough number so we can be flexible either way.


So I  I think  that , eh , eh , a as we were talking , if we  if we hire twelve , then we could , you know , run into a problem later. I mean , we also just couldn't sustain that forever. But  but , um  for all sorts of reasons  but if we hire f you know , f we have five on staff  five or six on staff at any given time , then  it 's a small enough number so we can be flexible either way.

It 'd be great , too , if , um , we can  we might need some help again getting the tighter boundaries or some hand  to experiment with , um   you know , to have a ground truth for this segmentation work , which  I guess you have some already that was really helpful , and we could probably use more.


It 'd be great , too , if , um , we can  we might need some help again getting the tighter boundaries or some hand  to experiment with , um   you know , to have a ground truth for this segmentation work , which  I guess you have some already that was really helpful , and we could probably use more.

Mmm , yeah. That was a thing I  I planned working on , is , uh , to use the  the transcriptions which are done by now , and to  to use them as , uh


Mmm , yeah. That was a thing I  I planned working on , is , uh , to use the  the transcriptions which are done by now , and to  to use them as , uh


Yeah. And to use them for  for training a  or for  fo whatever. Yeah. To  to create some speech - nonspeech labels out of them , and  Yeah , but that  that 's a thing w was  w what I 'm just looking into.


Yeah. And to use them for  for training a  or for  fo whatever. Yeah. To  to create some speech - nonspeech labels out of them , and  Yeah , but that  that 's a thing w was  w what I 'm just looking into.

The  the  the pre - segmentations are so much  are s so extremely helpful. Now there was , uh , I g guess  So , a couple weeks ago I needed some new ones and it happened to be during the time that he was on vacation  f for just very few days you were away. But it happened to be during that time I needed one ,


The  the  the pre - segmentations are so much  are s so extremely helpful. Now there was , uh , I g guess  So , a couple weeks ago I needed some new ones and it happened to be during the time that he was on vacation  f for just very few days you were away. But it happened to be during that time I needed one ,

so I   so I started them on the non - pre - segmented and then switched them over to yours and , um , they , um  you know , they always appreciate that when they have that available. And he 's , uh , usually , eh , uh , um  Um. So they really appreciate it. But I was gonna say that they do adjust it once in a while. You know , once in a while there 's something like ,


so I   so I started them on the non - pre - segmented and then switched them over to yours and , um , they , um  you know , they always appreciate that when they have that available. And he 's , uh , usually , eh , uh , um  Um. So they really appreciate it. But I was gonna say that they do adjust it once in a while. You know , once in a while there 's something like ,

um , and e Actually you talked to them. Didn't you ? Did you ? Have you  ?


um , and e Actually you talked to them. Didn't you ? Did you ? Have you  ?

And  and  and she was  And so , I asked her  I mean , They 're very perceptive. I really want to have this meeting of the transcribers. I haven't done it yet , but I wanna do that and she 's out of town , um , for a couple of weeks , but I wanna do that when she returns. Um , cuz she was saying , you know , in a  in a span of very short period  we asked  It seems like the ones that need to be adjusted are these  these  these things , and she was saying the short utterances , uh , the , um


And  and  and she was  And so , I asked her  I mean , They 're very perceptive. I really want to have this meeting of the transcribers. I haven't done it yet , but I wanna do that and she 's out of town , um , for a couple of weeks , but I wanna do that when she returns. Um , cuz she was saying , you know , in a  in a span of very short period  we asked  It seems like the ones that need to be adjusted are these  these  these things , and she was saying the short utterances , uh , the , um


And  and  and she was  And so , I asked her  I mean , They 're very perceptive. I really want to have this meeting of the transcribers. I haven't done it yet , but I wanna do that and she 's out of town , um , for a couple of weeks , but I wanna do that when she returns. Um , cuz she was saying , you know , in a  in a span of very short period  we asked  It seems like the ones that need to be adjusted are these  these  these things , and she was saying the short utterances , uh , the , um

you know , I mean , you 're  You 're aware of this. But  but actually i it 's so correct for so much of the time , that it 's an enormous time saver


you know , I mean , you 're  You 're aware of this. But  but actually i it 's so correct for so much of the time , that it 's an enormous time saver


you know , I mean , you 're  You 're aware of this. But  but actually i it 's so correct for so much of the time , that it 's an enormous time saver

and it just gets tweaked a little around the boundaries. So.


and it just gets tweaked a little around the boundaries. So.

Um. Yeah. I think it 'd be interesting to combine these.


Um. Yeah. I think it 'd be interesting to combine these.

Is there actually a record of where they change ? I mean , you can compare , do a diff on the  just so that we  knew


Um. Yeah. I think it 'd be interesting to combine these.

Is there actually a record of where they change ? I mean , you can compare , do a diff on the  just so that we  knew

You could do it. It 's  it 's complicated in that  um ,  hhh , i hhh , i


Is there actually a record of where they change ? I mean , you can compare , do a diff on the  just so that we  knew

You could do it. It 's  it 's complicated in that  um ,  hhh , i hhh , i

Yeah. Actually , when  when they create new  yeah , new segments or something , it will be , uh , not that easy but  hmm. I think  one could do that.


Is there actually a record of where they change ? I mean , you can compare , do a diff on the  just so that we  knew

You could do it. It 's  it 's complicated in that  um ,  hhh , i hhh , i

Yeah. Actually , when  when they create new  yeah , new segments or something , it will be , uh , not that easy but  hmm. I think  one could do that.

I mean , if we keep a old copy of the old time marks


You could do it. It 's  it 's complicated in that  um ,  hhh , i hhh , i

Yeah. Actually , when  when they create new  yeah , new segments or something , it will be , uh , not that easy but  hmm. I think  one could do that.

I mean , if we keep a old copy of the old time marks


Yeah. Actually , when  when they create new  yeah , new segments or something , it will be , uh , not that easy but  hmm. I think  one could do that.

I mean , if we keep a old copy of the old time marks

just so that if we run it we know whether we 're  which ones were cheating


I mean , if we keep a old copy of the old time marks

just so that if we run it we know whether we 're  which ones were cheating

Yeah. Yeah. That would be great , yeah , to know that.


just so that if we run it we know whether we 're  which ones were cheating

Yeah. Yeah. That would be great , yeah , to know that.


just so that if we run it we know whether we 're  which ones were cheating

Yeah. Yeah. That would be great , yeah , to know that.

There is a  there is one problem with that and that is when they start part way through then what I do is I merge what they 've done with the pre - segmented version.


Yeah. Yeah. That would be great , yeah , to know that.

There is a  there is one problem with that and that is when they start part way through then what I do is I merge what they 've done with the pre - segmented version.


There is a  there is one problem with that and that is when they start part way through then what I do is I merge what they 've done with the pre - segmented version.


There is a  there is one problem with that and that is when they start part way through then what I do is I merge what they 've done with the pre - segmented version.

So it 's not a pure  it 's not a pure condition. Wha - what you 'd really like is that they started with pre - segmented and were pre - segmented all the way through.


So it 's not a pure  it 's not a pure condition. Wha - what you 'd really like is that they started with pre - segmented and were pre - segmented all the way through.


So it 's not a pure  it 's not a pure condition. Wha - what you 'd really like is that they started with pre - segmented and were pre - segmented all the way through.

And , um  @ @   I , uh  the  it wasn't possible for about four of the recent ones. But , it will be possible in the future


And , um  @ @   I , uh  the  it wasn't possible for about four of the recent ones. But , it will be possible in the future


Yeah. As long as we have a record , I guess , of the original  automatic one , we can always find out how well  we would do fr from the recognition side by using those boundaries.


You know , a completely non - cheating version.


You know , a completely non - cheating version.

Also if you need someone to record this meeting , I mean , I 'm happy to  for the transcribers  I could do it , or Chuck or Adam.


Also if you need someone to record this meeting , I mean , I 'm happy to  for the transcribers  I could do it , or Chuck or Adam.

OK. So , uh , u you were saying something about organizing the meeting info ?


Also if you need someone to record this meeting , I mean , I 'm happy to  for the transcribers  I could do it , or Chuck or Adam.

OK. So , uh , u you were saying something about organizing the meeting info ?

Yeah. So , um , uh , Jane and Adam and I had a meeting where we talked about the reorganization of the  directory structure for all of the meeting


OK. So , uh , u you were saying something about organizing the meeting info ?

Yeah. So , um , uh , Jane and Adam and I had a meeting where we talked about the reorganization of the  directory structure for all of the meeting


OK. So , uh , u you were saying something about organizing the meeting info ?

Yeah. So , um , uh , Jane and Adam and I had a meeting where we talked about the reorganization of the  directory structure for all of the meeting

No. For all the Meeting Recorder data. We should have. Um. And so we 've got a plan for what we 're gonna do there. And then , Jane also s prepared a  um , started getting all of the  the meetings organized , so she prepared a   a spreadsheet , which I spent the last couple of days adding to. So I went through all of the data that we have collected so far , and have been putting it into , uh , a spreadsheet  with start time , the date , the old meeting name , the new meeting name , the number of speakers , the duration of the meeting , comments , you know , what its transcription status is , all that kind of stuff. And so , the idea is that we can take this and then export it as HTML and put it on the Meeting Recorder web page so we can keep people updated about what 's going on.


Yeah. So , um , uh , Jane and Adam and I had a meeting where we talked about the reorganization of the  directory structure for all of the meeting

No. For all the Meeting Recorder data. We should have. Um. And so we 've got a plan for what we 're gonna do there. And then , Jane also s prepared a  um , started getting all of the  the meetings organized , so she prepared a   a spreadsheet , which I spent the last couple of days adding to. So I went through all of the data that we have collected so far , and have been putting it into , uh , a spreadsheet  with start time , the date , the old meeting name , the new meeting name , the number of speakers , the duration of the meeting , comments , you know , what its transcription status is , all that kind of stuff. And so , the idea is that we can take this and then export it as HTML and put it on the Meeting Recorder web page so we can keep people updated about what 's going on.


No. For all the Meeting Recorder data. We should have. Um. And so we 've got a plan for what we 're gonna do there. And then , Jane also s prepared a  um , started getting all of the  the meetings organized , so she prepared a   a spreadsheet , which I spent the last couple of days adding to. So I went through all of the data that we have collected so far , and have been putting it into , uh , a spreadsheet  with start time , the date , the old meeting name , the new meeting name , the number of speakers , the duration of the meeting , comments , you know , what its transcription status is , all that kind of stuff. And so , the idea is that we can take this and then export it as HTML and put it on the Meeting Recorder web page so we can keep people updated about what 's going on.

Um , I 've gotta get some more information from Jane cuz I have some  some gaps here that I need to get her to fill in , but  so far , um ,  as of Monday , the fourteenth , um , we 've had a total number of meeting sixty - two hours of meetings that we have collected. And , um  Uh , some other interesting things , average number of speakers per meeting is six. Um , and I 'm gonna have on here the total amount that 's been transcribed so far , but I 've got a bunch of  uh , that 's what I have to talk to Jane about , figuring out exactly which ones have  have been completed and so forth. But , um ,  this 'll be a nice thing that we can put up on the  the web site and people can  be informed of the status of various different ones. And  it 'll also list , uh , like under the status , if it 's at IBM or if it 's at ICSI , uh , or if it 's completed or which ones we 're excluding and  and there 's a place for comments , so we can ,  um , say why we 're excluding things and so forth. So.


No. For all the Meeting Recorder data. We should have. Um. And so we 've got a plan for what we 're gonna do there. And then , Jane also s prepared a  um , started getting all of the  the meetings organized , so she prepared a   a spreadsheet , which I spent the last couple of days adding to. So I went through all of the data that we have collected so far , and have been putting it into , uh , a spreadsheet  with start time , the date , the old meeting name , the new meeting name , the number of speakers , the duration of the meeting , comments , you know , what its transcription status is , all that kind of stuff. And so , the idea is that we can take this and then export it as HTML and put it on the Meeting Recorder web page so we can keep people updated about what 's going on.

Um , I 've gotta get some more information from Jane cuz I have some  some gaps here that I need to get her to fill in , but  so far , um ,  as of Monday , the fourteenth , um , we 've had a total number of meeting sixty - two hours of meetings that we have collected. And , um  Uh , some other interesting things , average number of speakers per meeting is six. Um , and I 'm gonna have on here the total amount that 's been transcribed so far , but I 've got a bunch of  uh , that 's what I have to talk to Jane about , figuring out exactly which ones have  have been completed and so forth. But , um ,  this 'll be a nice thing that we can put up on the  the web site and people can  be informed of the status of various different ones. And  it 'll also list , uh , like under the status , if it 's at IBM or if it 's at ICSI , uh , or if it 's completed or which ones we 're excluding and  and there 's a place for comments , so we can ,  um , say why we 're excluding things and so forth. So.

Now would the ones that , um , are already transcribed  we h we have enough there that c you know , we 've already done some studies and so forth and  um , shouldn't we go through and do the business - es u of  of having the , um , uh , participants approve it , uh , for  approve the transcriptions for distribution and so forth ?


Um , I 've gotta get some more information from Jane cuz I have some  some gaps here that I need to get her to fill in , but  so far , um ,  as of Monday , the fourteenth , um , we 've had a total number of meeting sixty - two hours of meetings that we have collected. And , um  Uh , some other interesting things , average number of speakers per meeting is six. Um , and I 'm gonna have on here the total amount that 's been transcribed so far , but I 've got a bunch of  uh , that 's what I have to talk to Jane about , figuring out exactly which ones have  have been completed and so forth. But , um ,  this 'll be a nice thing that we can put up on the  the web site and people can  be informed of the status of various different ones. And  it 'll also list , uh , like under the status , if it 's at IBM or if it 's at ICSI , uh , or if it 's completed or which ones we 're excluding and  and there 's a place for comments , so we can ,  um , say why we 're excluding things and so forth. So.

Now would the ones that , um , are already transcribed  we h we have enough there that c you know , we 've already done some studies and so forth and  um , shouldn't we go through and do the business - es u of  of having the , um , uh , participants approve it , uh , for  approve the transcriptions for distribution and so forth ?

Um , interesting idea. In principle , I  I would say yes , although I still am doing some  the final - pass editing , trying to convert it over to the master file as the  being the channelized version and it 's  Yeah , it seems like I get into that a certain way and then something else intervenes  and I have to stop. Cleaning up the things like the , uh , uh , places where the transcriber was uncertain , and  and doing spot - checking here and there. So , um , uh , I guess it would make sense to wait until th that 's done , um , but  but


Um , I 've gotta get some more information from Jane cuz I have some  some gaps here that I need to get her to fill in , but  so far , um ,  as of Monday , the fourteenth , um , we 've had a total number of meeting sixty - two hours of meetings that we have collected. And , um  Uh , some other interesting things , average number of speakers per meeting is six. Um , and I 'm gonna have on here the total amount that 's been transcribed so far , but I 've got a bunch of  uh , that 's what I have to talk to Jane about , figuring out exactly which ones have  have been completed and so forth. But , um ,  this 'll be a nice thing that we can put up on the  the web site and people can  be informed of the status of various different ones. And  it 'll also list , uh , like under the status , if it 's at IBM or if it 's at ICSI , uh , or if it 's completed or which ones we 're excluding and  and there 's a place for comments , so we can ,  um , say why we 're excluding things and so forth. So.

Now would the ones that , um , are already transcribed  we h we have enough there that c you know , we 've already done some studies and so forth and  um , shouldn't we go through and do the business - es u of  of having the , um , uh , participants approve it , uh , for  approve the transcriptions for distribution and so forth ?

Um , interesting idea. In principle , I  I would say yes , although I still am doing some  the final - pass editing , trying to convert it over to the master file as the  being the channelized version and it 's  Yeah , it seems like I get into that a certain way and then something else intervenes  and I have to stop. Cleaning up the things like the , uh , uh , places where the transcriber was uncertain , and  and doing spot - checking here and there. So , um , uh , I guess it would make sense to wait until th that 's done , um , but  but

Well , le let me put in another sort of a milestone kind of  as  as I did with the , uh , uh  the  the pipeline.


Now would the ones that , um , are already transcribed  we h we have enough there that c you know , we 've already done some studies and so forth and  um , shouldn't we go through and do the business - es u of  of having the , um , uh , participants approve it , uh , for  approve the transcriptions for distribution and so forth ?

Um , interesting idea. In principle , I  I would say yes , although I still am doing some  the final - pass editing , trying to convert it over to the master file as the  being the channelized version and it 's  Yeah , it seems like I get into that a certain way and then something else intervenes  and I have to stop. Cleaning up the things like the , uh , uh , places where the transcriber was uncertain , and  and doing spot - checking here and there. So , um , uh , I guess it would make sense to wait until th that 's done , um , but  but

Well , le let me put in another sort of a milestone kind of  as  as I did with the , uh , uh  the  the pipeline.


Um , interesting idea. In principle , I  I would say yes , although I still am doing some  the final - pass editing , trying to convert it over to the master file as the  being the channelized version and it 's  Yeah , it seems like I get into that a certain way and then something else intervenes  and I have to stop. Cleaning up the things like the , uh , uh , places where the transcriber was uncertain , and  and doing spot - checking here and there. So , um , uh , I guess it would make sense to wait until th that 's done , um , but  but

Well , le let me put in another sort of a milestone kind of  as  as I did with the , uh , uh  the  the pipeline.

Um , we are gonna have this DARPA  meeting in the middle of July ,


Well , le let me put in another sort of a milestone kind of  as  as I did with the , uh , uh  the  the pipeline.

Um , we are gonna have this DARPA  meeting in the middle of July ,


Um , we are gonna have this DARPA  meeting in the middle of July ,

and I think it w it 'd be  given that we 've been  we 've given a couple public talks about it already , spaced by months and months , I think it 'd be pretty bad if we continued to say none of this is available. Um.


and I think it w it 'd be  given that we 've been  we 've given a couple public talks about it already , spaced by months and months , I think it 'd be pretty bad if we continued to say none of this is available. Um.

Right. So we can s we  we wanna be able to say " here is a subset that is available right now "


Right. So we can s we  we wanna be able to say " here is a subset that is available right now "

and that 's has been through the legal issues and so forth.


and that 's has been through the legal issues and so forth.


And they don't have to approve , you know , th an edited version , they can just give their approval to whatever version


And they don't have to approve , you know , th an edited version , they can just give their approval to whatever version

Well , in principle , yes. But , I mean , i if  if  if somebody actually did get into some legal issue with it then we


And they don't have to approve , you know , th an edited version , they can just give their approval to whatever version

Well , in principle , yes. But , I mean , i if  if  if somebody actually did get into some legal issue with it then we

Bu Yeah. But th I mean , the editing will continue. Presumably if  if s errors are found , they will be fixed , but they won't change the  the content of the meetings.


Well , in principle , yes. But , I mean , i if  if  if somebody actually did get into some legal issue with it then we

Bu Yeah. But th I mean , the editing will continue. Presumably if  if s errors are found , they will be fixed , but they won't change the  the content of the meetings.


Well , in principle , yes. But , I mean , i if  if  if somebody actually did get into some legal issue with it then we

Bu Yeah. But th I mean , the editing will continue. Presumably if  if s errors are found , they will be fixed , but they won't change the  the content of the meetings.

Well , see , this is the  this is the issue. Subtleties.


Bu Yeah. But th I mean , the editing will continue. Presumably if  if s errors are found , they will be fixed , but they won't change the  the content of the meetings.

Well , see , this is the  this is the issue. Subtleties.


Well , see , this is the  this is the issue. Subtleties.

Well , i if Jane is clarifying question question , then , you know , how can they agree to it before they know her final version ?


Well , see , this is the  this is the issue. Subtleties.

Well , i if Jane is clarifying question question , then , you know , how can they agree to it before they know her final version ?

The other thing , too , is there can be subtleties where a person uses this word instead of that word , which @ @  could 've been transcribed in the other way.


Well , i if Jane is clarifying question question , then , you know , how can they agree to it before they know her final version ?

The other thing , too , is there can be subtleties where a person uses this word instead of that word , which @ @  could 've been transcribed in the other way.


The other thing , too , is there can be subtleties where a person uses this word instead of that word , which @ @  could 've been transcribed in the other way.

And no and they wouldn't have  been slanderous if it had been this other word. You know ?


And no and they wouldn't have  been slanderous if it had been this other word. You know ?

I it  you know , there there is a point at which I agree it becomes ridiculous because , you know , you could do this final thing and then a year from now somebody could say , you know , that should be a period and not a question mark. Right ? And you don't  you  there 's no way that we 're gonna go back and ask everybody " do you approve this , uh , you know  this document now ? " So  So I think what it is is that the  the  the  the thing that they sign  I  I haven't looked at it in a while , but it has to be open enough that it sort of says " OK , from now on  you know , now that I 've read this , you can use  do anything you want with these data. "


And no and they wouldn't have  been slanderous if it had been this other word. You know ?

I it  you know , there there is a point at which I agree it becomes ridiculous because , you know , you could do this final thing and then a year from now somebody could say , you know , that should be a period and not a question mark. Right ? And you don't  you  there 's no way that we 're gonna go back and ask everybody " do you approve this , uh , you know  this document now ? " So  So I think what it is is that the  the  the  the thing that they sign  I  I haven't looked at it in a while , but it has to be open enough that it sort of says " OK , from now on  you know , now that I 've read this , you can use  do anything you want with these data. "

And , uh  But , i I think we wanna  So , assuming that it 's in that kind of wording , which I don't remember ,  um , I think i we just wanna have enough confidence ourselves that it 's so close to the final form it 's gonna be in , a year from now that they 're


I it  you know , there there is a point at which I agree it becomes ridiculous because , you know , you could do this final thing and then a year from now somebody could say , you know , that should be a period and not a question mark. Right ? And you don't  you  there 's no way that we 're gonna go back and ask everybody " do you approve this , uh , you know  this document now ? " So  So I think what it is is that the  the  the  the thing that they sign  I  I haven't looked at it in a while , but it has to be open enough that it sort of says " OK , from now on  you know , now that I 've read this , you can use  do anything you want with these data. "

And , uh  But , i I think we wanna  So , assuming that it 's in that kind of wording , which I don't remember ,  um , I think i we just wanna have enough confidence ourselves that it 's so close to the final form it 's gonna be in , a year from now that they 're

Mm - hmm. I agree. Mmm. I totally agree. It 's just , uh , a question of ,  uh , if  if the person is using the transcript as the way of them judging what they said and whether it was slanderous ,  then it seems like it 's  it 's  i it needs to be more correct than if we could count on them re - listening to the meeting.


And , uh  But , i I think we wanna  So , assuming that it 's in that kind of wording , which I don't remember ,  um , I think i we just wanna have enough confidence ourselves that it 's so close to the final form it 's gonna be in , a year from now that they 're

Mm - hmm. I agree. Mmm. I totally agree. It 's just , uh , a question of ,  uh , if  if the person is using the transcript as the way of them judging what they said and whether it was slanderous ,  then it seems like it 's  it 's  i it needs to be more correct than if we could count on them re - listening to the meeting.


And , uh  But , i I think we wanna  So , assuming that it 's in that kind of wording , which I don't remember ,  um , I think i we just wanna have enough confidence ourselves that it 's so close to the final form it 's gonna be in , a year from now that they 're

Mm - hmm. I agree. Mmm. I totally agree. It 's just , uh , a question of ,  uh , if  if the person is using the transcript as the way of them judging what they said and whether it was slanderous ,  then it seems like it 's  it 's  i it needs to be more correct than if we could count on them re - listening to the meeting.

Because it becomes , eh , in a way a  a f uh , a legal document i if they 've agreed to that.


Mm - hmm. I agree. Mmm. I totally agree. It 's just , uh , a question of ,  uh , if  if the person is using the transcript as the way of them judging what they said and whether it was slanderous ,  then it seems like it 's  it 's  i it needs to be more correct than if we could count on them re - listening to the meeting.

Because it becomes , eh , in a way a  a f uh , a legal document i if they 've agreed to that.

Well , I forget how we end Right. I forget how we ended up on this , but I remember my taking the position  of not making it so  so easy for everybody to observe everything and Adam was taking the position of  of having it be really straightforward for people to check every aspect of it including the audio. And I don't remember who won , Adam or me , but


Because it becomes , eh , in a way a  a f uh , a legal document i if they 've agreed to that.

Well , I forget how we end Right. I forget how we ended up on this , but I remember my taking the position  of not making it so  so easy for everybody to observe everything and Adam was taking the position of  of having it be really straightforward for people to check every aspect of it including the audio. And I don't remember who won , Adam or me , but

Well ,  if it 's only the transcript , though  I mean , th this  this is my point , that  that


Because it becomes , eh , in a way a  a f uh , a legal document i if they 've agreed to that.

Well , I forget how we end Right. I forget how we ended up on this , but I remember my taking the position  of not making it so  so easy for everybody to observe everything and Adam was taking the position of  of having it be really straightforward for people to check every aspect of it including the audio. And I don't remember who won , Adam or me , but

Well ,  if it 's only the transcript , though  I mean , th this  this is my point , that  that

uh , the  Uh , that that 's why I 'm bringing this up again , because I can't remember how we ended up.


Well , I forget how we end Right. I forget how we ended up on this , but I remember my taking the position  of not making it so  so easy for everybody to observe everything and Adam was taking the position of  of having it be really straightforward for people to check every aspect of it including the audio. And I don't remember who won , Adam or me , but

Well ,  if it 's only the transcript , though  I mean , th this  this is my point , that  that

uh , the  Uh , that that 's why I 'm bringing this up again , because I can't remember how we ended up.


Well ,  if it 's only the transcript , though  I mean , th this  this is my point , that  that

uh , the  Uh , that that 's why I 'm bringing this up again , because I can't remember how we ended up.

That it was the transcrip He wanted to do a web interface that would make it


uh , the  Uh , that that 's why I 'm bringing this up again , because I can't remember how we ended up.

That it was the transcrip He wanted to do a web interface that would make it


That it was the transcrip He wanted to do a web interface that would make it

that would give you access to the transcript and the audio. That 's what Adam wanted.


that would give you access to the transcript and the audio. That 's what Adam wanted.


that would give you access to the transcript and the audio. That 's what Adam wanted.

I mean , with the web interface it 's interesting , because you could allow the person who signs to be informed when their transcript changes , or something like that. And , I mean , I would say " no ". Like , I don't wanna know , but some people might be really  interested and then y In other words , they would be informed if there was some significant change other than typos and things like that.


I mean , with the web interface it 's interesting , because you could allow the person who signs to be informed when their transcript changes , or something like that. And , I mean , I would say " no ". Like , I don't wanna know , but some people might be really  interested and then y In other words , they would be informed if there was some significant change other than typos and things like that.

You decided you were whispering Satanic incantations under your breath when you were


I mean , with the web interface it 's interesting , because you could allow the person who signs to be informed when their transcript changes , or something like that. And , I mean , I would say " no ". Like , I don't wanna know , but some people might be really  interested and then y In other words , they would be informed if there was some significant change other than typos and things like that.

You decided you were whispering Satanic incantations under your breath when you were

Well ,  I don't know what happened to the small heads thing , but I j  Um , I 'm just saying that , like , you know , you can sort of say that any things that are deemed


You decided you were whispering Satanic incantations under your breath when you were

Well ,  I don't know what happened to the small heads thing , but I j  Um , I 'm just saying that , like , you know , you can sort of say that any things that are deemed

Anyway. I mean , I agree that at some point people  probably won't care about typos but they would care about significant meaning changes and then they could be asked for their consent , I guess , if  if those change. Cuz assumi  assuming we  we don't really distribute things that have any significant changes from what they sign anyway.


Well ,  I don't know what happened to the small heads thing , but I j  Um , I 'm just saying that , like , you know , you can sort of say that any things that are deemed

Anyway. I mean , I agree that at some point people  probably won't care about typos but they would care about significant meaning changes and then they could be asked for their consent , I guess , if  if those change. Cuz assumi  assuming we  we don't really distribute things that have any significant changes from what they sign anyway.

Tha That 's  How about having them approve the audio and not the transcripts ?


Anyway. I mean , I agree that at some point people  probably won't care about typos but they would care about significant meaning changes and then they could be asked for their consent , I guess , if  if those change. Cuz assumi  assuming we  we don't really distribute things that have any significant changes from what they sign anyway.

Tha That 's  How about having them approve the audio and not the transcripts ?


Tha That 's  How about having them approve the audio and not the transcripts ?


But no one will listen to the hours and hours of


We just have to give them a chance to listen to it , and if they don't , that 's their problem.


We just have to give them a chance to listen to it , and if they don't , that 's their problem.

Unfortunately , uh , in  in the sign thing that they signed , it says " transcripts ".


Unfortunately , uh , in  in the sign thing that they signed , it says " transcripts ".


Unfortunately , uh , in  in the sign thing that they signed , it says " transcripts ".

" You 'll be  you 'll be provided the transcripts when they 're available. "


" You 'll be  you 'll be provided the transcripts when they 're available. "


that 's a lot to ask for people that have been in a lot of meetings.


that 's a lot to ask for people that have been in a lot of meetings.

W anyway , haven't we  we 've gone down this path a number of times. I know this can lead to extended conversations and  and not really get anywhere , so let  let me just suggest that   uh , off - line that , uh , the people involved figure it out and take care of it before it 's July.


W anyway , haven't we  we 've gone down this path a number of times. I know this can lead to extended conversations and  and not really get anywhere , so let  let me just suggest that   uh , off - line that , uh , the people involved figure it out and take care of it before it 's July.

OK. So  so that in July we can tell people  " yes , we have this and you can use it ".


W anyway , haven't we  we 've gone down this path a number of times. I know this can lead to extended conversations and  and not really get anywhere , so let  let me just suggest that   uh , off - line that , uh , the people involved figure it out and take care of it before it 's July.

OK. So  so that in July we can tell people  " yes , we have this and you can use it ".

Yes. It 's done , ready , available. Good.


OK. So  so that in July we can tell people  " yes , we have this and you can use it ".

Yes. It 's done , ready , available. Good.

Uh. So , let 's see. What else we got ? Uh. Don did  did a report about his project in class and , uh  an oral and written  written version.


Yes. It 's done , ready , available. Good.

Uh. So , let 's see. What else we got ? Uh. Don did  did a report about his project in class and , uh  an oral and written  written version.

So that was stuff he was doing with you. Yeah.


Uh. So , let 's see. What else we got ? Uh. Don did  did a report about his project in class and , uh  an oral and written  written version.

So that was stuff he was doing with you. Yeah.

I mean , it 's  I guess one thing we 're learning is that the amount  We have eight meetings there because we couldn't use the non - native  all non - native meetings and  it 's , well , probably below threshold on enough data for us for the things we 're looking at because the  prosodic features are  very noisy and so you  you need a lot of data in order to model them. Um , so we 're starting to see some patterns and we 're hoping that maybe with ,  I don't know , double or triple the data  with twenty meetings or so , that we would start to get better results. But we did find that some of the features that , I gue Jane would know about , that are expressing sort of the  distance of , um ,  boundaries from peaks in the utterance and  some  local , um , range  pitch range effects , like how close people are to their floor , are showing up in these classifiers , which are also being given some word features that are cheating , cuz they 're true words. Um , so these are based on forced alignment. Word features like , um , word frequency and whether or not something 's a backchannel and so forth. So , we 're starting to see , I think , some interesting patterns.


So that was stuff he was doing with you. Yeah.

I mean , it 's  I guess one thing we 're learning is that the amount  We have eight meetings there because we couldn't use the non - native  all non - native meetings and  it 's , well , probably below threshold on enough data for us for the things we 're looking at because the  prosodic features are  very noisy and so you  you need a lot of data in order to model them. Um , so we 're starting to see some patterns and we 're hoping that maybe with ,  I don't know , double or triple the data  with twenty meetings or so , that we would start to get better results. But we did find that some of the features that , I gue Jane would know about , that are expressing sort of the  distance of , um ,  boundaries from peaks in the utterance and  some  local , um , range  pitch range effects , like how close people are to their floor , are showing up in these classifiers , which are also being given some word features that are cheating , cuz they 're true words. Um , so these are based on forced alignment. Word features like , um , word frequency and whether or not something 's a backchannel and so forth. So , we 're starting to see , I think , some interesting patterns.

So the dominant features , including everything , were those  those quasi - cheating things. Right ? Where these are


I mean , it 's  I guess one thing we 're learning is that the amount  We have eight meetings there because we couldn't use the non - native  all non - native meetings and  it 's , well , probably below threshold on enough data for us for the things we 're looking at because the  prosodic features are  very noisy and so you  you need a lot of data in order to model them. Um , so we 're starting to see some patterns and we 're hoping that maybe with ,  I don't know , double or triple the data  with twenty meetings or so , that we would start to get better results. But we did find that some of the features that , I gue Jane would know about , that are expressing sort of the  distance of , um ,  boundaries from peaks in the utterance and  some  local , um , range  pitch range effects , like how close people are to their floor , are showing up in these classifiers , which are also being given some word features that are cheating , cuz they 're true words. Um , so these are based on forced alignment. Word features like , um , word frequency and whether or not something 's a backchannel and so forth. So , we 're starting to see , I think , some interesting patterns.

So the dominant features , including everything , were those  those quasi - cheating things. Right ? Where these are

I think it depends what you 're looking at , a actually.


So the dominant features , including everything , were those  those quasi - cheating things. Right ? Where these are

I think it depends what you 're looking at , a actually.

Yeah. Sometimes  positions in sentences obviously , or in spurts , was helpful. I don't know if that 's cheating , too.


I think it depends what you 're looking at , a actually.

Yeah. Sometimes  positions in sentences obviously , or in spurts , was helpful. I don't know if that 's cheating , too.


Yeah. Sometimes  positions in sentences obviously , or in spurts , was helpful. I don't know if that 's cheating , too.

spurts is not cheating except that of course you know the real words ,


spurts is not cheating except that of course you know the real words ,


spurts is not cheating except that of course you know the real words ,

but roughly speaking , the recognized words are gonna give you a similar type of position.


spurts is not cheating except that of course you know the real words ,

but roughly speaking , the recognized words are gonna give you a similar type of position.

Right. Would they give you the same number of words , though ?


but roughly speaking , the recognized words are gonna give you a similar type of position.

Right. Would they give you the same number of words , though ?


Right. Would they give you the same number of words , though ?


Y yeah it should be. Well , we don't know and actually that 's one of the things we 're interested in doing , is a sort of


Y yeah it should be. Well , we don't know and actually that 's one of the things we 're interested in doing , is a sort of

Have you tried using just time , as opposed to number of words ?


Have you tried using just time , as opposed to number of words ?

I think ti uh  Just p time position , like when the word starts ?


I think ti uh  Just p time position , like when the word starts ?


I think ti uh  Just p time position , like when the word starts ?

Well , no , I mean t time  time position relative to the beginning of the spurt.


Well , no , I mean t time  time position relative to the beginning of the spurt.


Like , there 's a lot of different features you could just pull out.


Like , there 's a lot of different features you could just pull out.

Yeah. I mean that wouldn't be cheating because you can detect pause  pretty well within the time.


Yeah. I mean that wouldn't be cheating because you can detect pause  pretty well within the time.

How about time position normalized by speak


How about time position normalized by speak


Yeah. That 's actually why I didn't use it at first.


Yeah. That 's actually why I didn't use it at first.

But we  one of the interesting things was I guess you reported on some te punctuation type


But we  one of the interesting things was I guess you reported on some te punctuation type


But we  one of the interesting things was I guess you reported on some te punctuation type

finding sentence boundaries , finding disfluency boundaries , and then I had done some work on finding from the foreground speech whether or not someone was likely to interrupt , so where  you know , if I 'm talking now and someone  and  and Andreas is about to interrupt me , is he gonna choose a certain place in my speech , either prosodically or word - based. And there the prosodic features actually showed up and a neat thing  even though the word features were available. And a neat thing there too is I tried some   putting the speaker  So , I gave everybody  a short version of their name. So the real names are in there , which we couldn't use. Uh , we should use I Ds or something. And those don't show up. So that means that overall , um , it wasn't just modeling Morgan , or it wasn't just modeling a single person ,


finding sentence boundaries , finding disfluency boundaries , and then I had done some work on finding from the foreground speech whether or not someone was likely to interrupt , so where  you know , if I 'm talking now and someone  and  and Andreas is about to interrupt me , is he gonna choose a certain place in my speech , either prosodically or word - based. And there the prosodic features actually showed up and a neat thing  even though the word features were available. And a neat thing there too is I tried some   putting the speaker  So , I gave everybody  a short version of their name. So the real names are in there , which we couldn't use. Uh , we should use I Ds or something. And those don't show up. So that means that overall , um , it wasn't just modeling Morgan , or it wasn't just modeling a single person ,

um , but was sort of trying to ,  uh , get a general idea  the model  the tree classifier was trying to find general locations that were applicable to different speakers , even though there are huge speaker effects. So. The  but the main limitation now is I  because we 're only looking at things that happen every  ten words or every twenty words , we need more  more data and more data per speaker. So. It 'd also be interesting to look at the EDU meetings because we did include meeting type as a feature , so whether you were in a r Meeting Recorder meeting or a Robustness meeting did matter  to  interrupts because there are just fewer interrupts in the Robustness meetings.


um , but was sort of trying to ,  uh , get a general idea  the model  the tree classifier was trying to find general locations that were applicable to different speakers , even though there are huge speaker effects. So. The  but the main limitation now is I  because we 're only looking at things that happen every  ten words or every twenty words , we need more  more data and more data per speaker. So. It 'd also be interesting to look at the EDU meetings because we did include meeting type as a feature , so whether you were in a r Meeting Recorder meeting or a Robustness meeting did matter  to  interrupts because there are just fewer interrupts in the Robustness meetings.

And so the classifier learns more about Morgan than it does about sort of the average person ,


And so the classifier learns more about Morgan than it does about sort of the average person ,

which is  not bad. It 'd probably do better than   Um , but it wasn't generalizing.


which is  not bad. It 'd probably do better than   Um , but it wasn't generalizing.

So it 's  And I think Don , um  Well , we have a long list of things he 's starting to look at now over the summer , where we can  And he 'll be able to report on more things  in the future. But it was great that we could at least go from the   you know , Jane 's transcripts and the ,  uh , recognizer output and get it  to this point. And I think it 's something Mari can probably use in her preliminary report  like , " yeah , we 're at the point where we 're training these classifiers and we 're just  reporting very preliminary but suggestive results that  some features , both word and pro prosodic , work. " The other thing that was interesting to me is that the pitch features are better than in Switchboard. And I think that really is from the close - talking mikes , cuz the pitch processing that was done has much cleaner behavior than  than the Switchboard telephone bandwidth.


So it 's  And I think Don , um  Well , we have a long list of things he 's starting to look at now over the summer , where we can  And he 'll be able to report on more things  in the future. But it was great that we could at least go from the   you know , Jane 's transcripts and the ,  uh , recognizer output and get it  to this point. And I think it 's something Mari can probably use in her preliminary report  like , " yeah , we 're at the point where we 're training these classifiers and we 're just  reporting very preliminary but suggestive results that  some features , both word and pro prosodic , work. " The other thing that was interesting to me is that the pitch features are better than in Switchboard. And I think that really is from the close - talking mikes , cuz the pitch processing that was done has much cleaner behavior than  than the Switchboard telephone bandwidth.

Um. Well , first of all , the pitch tracks are m have less , um , halvings and doublings than  than Switchboard and there 's a lot less dropout , so if you ask how many regions where you would normally expect some vowels to be occurring  are completely devoid of pitch information ,


Um. Well , first of all , the pitch tracks are m have less , um , halvings and doublings than  than Switchboard and there 's a lot less dropout , so if you ask how many regions where you would normally expect some vowels to be occurring  are completely devoid of pitch information ,

in other words the pitch tracker just didn't get a high enough probability of voicing for words  for  for , you know , five word


in other words the pitch tracker just didn't get a high enough probability of voicing for words  for  for , you know , five word

there are much fewer than in Switchboard. So the missing   We had a big missing data problem in Switchboard and , so the features weren't as reliable cuz they were often just not available.


in other words the pitch tracker just didn't get a high enough probability of voicing for words  for  for , you know , five word

there are much fewer than in Switchboard. So the missing   We had a big missing data problem in Switchboard and , so the features weren't as reliable cuz they were often just not available.

Could it have to do with the  the lower frequency cut - off on the Switchboard ?


there are much fewer than in Switchboard. So the missing   We had a big missing data problem in Switchboard and , so the features weren't as reliable cuz they were often just not available.

Could it have to do with the  the lower frequency cut - off on the Switchboard ?

So that 's actually good. Ma - maybe. I mean , the tele we had telephone bandwidth for Switchboard and we had the an annoying sort of telephone handset movement problem that I think may also affect it.


Could it have to do with the  the lower frequency cut - off on the Switchboard ?

So that 's actually good. Ma - maybe. I mean , the tele we had telephone bandwidth for Switchboard and we had the an annoying sort of telephone handset movement problem that I think may also affect it.

So we 're just getting better signals in  in this data. Which is nice. So.


So that 's actually good. Ma - maybe. I mean , the tele we had telephone bandwidth for Switchboard and we had the an annoying sort of telephone handset movement problem that I think may also affect it.

So we 're just getting better signals in  in this data. Which is nice. So.


So we 're just getting better signals in  in this data. Which is nice. So.

Anyway , Don 's been doing a great job and we hope to continue with , um , Andreas 's help and also some of Thilo 's help on this ,


Anyway , Don 's been doing a great job and we hope to continue with , um , Andreas 's help and also some of Thilo 's help on this ,

to  to try to get a non - cheating version of how all this would work.


to  to try to get a non - cheating version of how all this would work.

Has  has , uh  ? We just  I think , just talked about this the other day , but h has  has anybody had a chance to try changing , uh , insertion penalty sort of things with the  with the , uh   uh , using the tandem system input for the  ?


to  to try to get a non - cheating version of how all this would work.

Has  has , uh  ? We just  I think , just talked about this the other day , but h has  has anybody had a chance to try changing , uh , insertion penalty sort of things with the  with the , uh   uh , using the tandem system input for the  ?

Oh , yeah. I tried that. It didn't , um , help dramatically. The


Has  has , uh  ? We just  I think , just talked about this the other day , but h has  has anybody had a chance to try changing , uh , insertion penalty sort of things with the  with the , uh   uh , using the tandem system input for the  ?

Oh , yeah. I tried that. It didn't , um , help dramatically. The

Were they out of balance ? I didn't  I didn't notice.


Has  has , uh  ? We just  I think , just talked about this the other day , but h has  has anybody had a chance to try changing , uh , insertion penalty sort of things with the  with the , uh   uh , using the tandem system input for the  ?

Oh , yeah. I tried that. It didn't , um , help dramatically. The

Were they out of balance ? I didn't  I didn't notice.

There were a little  the relative number of  I think there were a higher number of deletions , actually.


Oh , yeah. I tried that. It didn't , um , help dramatically. The

Were they out of balance ? I didn't  I didn't notice.

There were a little  the relative number of  I think there were a higher number of deletions , actually.


Were they out of balance ? I didn't  I didn't notice.

There were a little  the relative number of  I think there were a higher number of deletions , actually.

So , you , uh  So , actually it  it preferred to have a positive  er , negative insertion penalty ,


There were a little  the relative number of  I think there were a higher number of deletions , actually.

So , you , uh  So , actually it  it preferred to have a positive  er , negative insertion penalty ,


So , you , uh  So , actually it  it preferred to have a positive  er , negative insertion penalty ,


But , you know , it didn't change  th the  by adjusting that  the , um


But , you know , it didn't change  th the  by adjusting that  the , um

Yeah. The error changed by probably one percent or so. But , you know , given that that word error rate is so high , that 's not a


But , you know , it didn't change  th the  by adjusting that  the , um

Yeah. The error changed by probably one percent or so. But , you know , given that that word error rate is so high , that 's not a

OK. So that  So that 's  So that 's not the problem.


Yeah. The error changed by probably one percent or so. But , you know , given that that word error rate is so high , that 's not a

OK. So that  So that 's  So that 's not the problem.


OK. So that  So that 's  So that 's not the problem.

But , uh , we s just , um , uh  you know , Chuck and I talked and the  @ @  next thing to do is probably to tune the  um , the size of the Gaussian system , um , @ @  to  to this  to this feature vector , which we haven't done at all. We just used the same  configuration as we used for the   for the standard system.


But , uh , we s just , um , uh  you know , Chuck and I talked and the  @ @  next thing to do is probably to tune the  um , the size of the Gaussian system , um , @ @  to  to this  to this feature vector , which we haven't done at all. We just used the same  configuration as we used for the   for the standard system.


But , uh , we s just , um , uh  you know , Chuck and I talked and the  @ @  next thing to do is probably to tune the  um , the size of the Gaussian system , um , @ @  to  to this  to this feature vector , which we haven't done at all. We just used the same  configuration as we used for the   for the standard system.

And ,  for instance , uh , Dan  @ @  Dan just sent me a message saying that CMU used , um ,  something like ten Gaussians per cluster  You know , each  each mixture has ten  Gaussians


But , uh , we s just , um , uh  you know , Chuck and I talked and the  @ @  next thing to do is probably to tune the  um , the size of the Gaussian system , um , @ @  to  to this  to this feature vector , which we haven't done at all. We just used the same  configuration as we used for the   for the standard system.

And ,  for instance , uh , Dan  @ @  Dan just sent me a message saying that CMU used , um ,  something like ten Gaussians per cluster  You know , each  each mixture has ten  Gaussians

Mm - hmm. Hmm. We 're using sixty - four ,


And ,  for instance , uh , Dan  @ @  Dan just sent me a message saying that CMU used , um ,  something like ten Gaussians per cluster  You know , each  each mixture has ten  Gaussians

Mm - hmm. Hmm. We 're using sixty - four ,


Mm - hmm. Hmm. We 're using sixty - four ,


and it might be way off and give very poorly trained , uh , you know , Gaussians that way ,


and it might be way off and give very poorly trained , uh , you know , Gaussians that way ,

uh , an and poorly trained mixture weights. So  so , we have  The turn - around time on the training when we train only the  a male system with , uh , you know , our small training set , is  less than twenty - four hours , so we can run lots of   uh , basically just brute force , try a whole bunch of different um , settings.


uh , an and poorly trained mixture weights. So  so , we have  The turn - around time on the training when we train only the  a male system with , uh , you know , our small training set , is  less than twenty - four hours , so we can run lots of   uh , basically just brute force , try a whole bunch of different um , settings.

And , uh , with the new machines it 'll be even better. So.


And , uh , with the new machines it 'll be even better. So.


But the PLP features work  um , uh , you know , continue to improve the ,


But the PLP features work  um , uh , you know , continue to improve the ,

um  As I said before , the  uh using Dan 's , uh , uh , vocal tract normalization option works very well. So , um , @ @  I ran one experiment where we 're just  did the vocal tract le normalization only in the test data ,


um  As I said before , the  uh using Dan 's , uh , uh , vocal tract normalization option works very well. So , um , @ @  I ran one experiment where we 're just  did the vocal tract le normalization only in the test data ,

so I didn't bother to retrain  the models at all , and it improved by one percent , which is about what we get with   uh , with , you know , just @ @  actually doing both training and test normalization , um , with , um ,  the , uh   uh , with the standard system. So , in a few hours we 'll have the numbers for the  for retraining everything with vocal tract length normalization and  So , that might even improve it further.


so I didn't bother to retrain  the models at all , and it improved by one percent , which is about what we get with   uh , with , you know , just @ @  actually doing both training and test normalization , um , with , um ,  the , uh   uh , with the standard system. So , in a few hours we 'll have the numbers for the  for retraining everything with vocal tract length normalization and  So , that might even improve it further.

So , it looks like the P L - fea P features  do very well now with  after having figured out all these little tricks to  to get it to work.


So , it looks like the P L - fea P features  do very well now with  after having figured out all these little tricks to  to get it to work.


Wait. So you mean you improve one percent over a system that doesn't have any V T L in it already ?


Wait. So you mean you improve one percent over a system that doesn't have any V T L in it already ?

Yeah. OK. So then  then we 'll have our baseline to  to compare the currently hideous , uh , uh , new thing with.


Yeah. OK. So then  then we 'll have our baseline to  to compare the currently hideous , uh , uh , new thing with.

Right. a Right. And  and what that suggests also is of course that the current Switchboard  MLP isn't trained on very good features.


Yeah. OK. So then  then we 'll have our baseline to  to compare the currently hideous , uh , uh , new thing with.

Right. a Right. And  and what that suggests also is of course that the current Switchboard  MLP isn't trained on very good features.

Uh , because it was trained on whatever , you know , was used , uh , last time you did Hub - five stuff , which didn't have any of the


Right. a Right. And  and what that suggests also is of course that the current Switchboard  MLP isn't trained on very good features.

Uh , because it was trained on whatever , you know , was used , uh , last time you did Hub - five stuff , which didn't have any of the

Right. But all of these effects were j like a couple percent.


Uh , because it was trained on whatever , you know , was used , uh , last time you did Hub - five stuff , which didn't have any of the

Right. But all of these effects were j like a couple percent.


Right. But all of these effects were j like a couple percent.

Well , but if you add them all up you have , uh , almost five percent difference now.


Well , but if you add them all up you have , uh , almost five percent difference now.

Add  all of them. I thought one was one point five percent and one was point eight.


Well , but if you add them all up you have , uh , almost five percent difference now.

Add  all of them. I thought one was one point five percent and one was point eight.

Yeah. And now we have another percent with the V T


Add  all of them. I thought one was one point five percent and one was point eight.

Yeah. And now we have another percent with the V T

Um , actually , and it 's ,  um , What 's actually qu interesting is that with  um , well , you m prob maybe another half percent if you do the VTL in training , and then interestingly , if you optimize you get more of a win out of rescoring the , um ,  uh , the N best lists , uh , and optimizing the weights , um , uh than


Yeah. And now we have another percent with the V T

Um , actually , and it 's ,  um , What 's actually qu interesting is that with  um , well , you m prob maybe another half percent if you do the VTL in training , and then interestingly , if you optimize you get more of a win out of rescoring the , um ,  uh , the N best lists , uh , and optimizing the weights , um , uh than


Um , actually , and it 's ,  um , What 's actually qu interesting is that with  um , well , you m prob maybe another half percent if you do the VTL in training , and then interestingly , if you optimize you get more of a win out of rescoring the , um ,  uh , the N best lists , uh , and optimizing the weights , um , uh than


Um , actually , and it 's ,  um , What 's actually qu interesting is that with  um , well , you m prob maybe another half percent if you do the VTL in training , and then interestingly , if you optimize you get more of a win out of rescoring the , um ,  uh , the N best lists , uh , and optimizing the weights , um , uh than

Yeah. But the part that 's actually adjustment of the front - end per se as opposed to doing  putting VTLN in or something is  it was a couple percent.


Yeah. But the part that 's actually adjustment of the front - end per se as opposed to doing  putting VTLN in or something is  it was a couple percent.


Yeah. But the part that 's actually adjustment of the front - end per se as opposed to doing  putting VTLN in or something is  it was a couple percent.

Right ? It was  it was  there was   there was one thing that was one and a half percent and one that was point eight. So  and  and  let me see if I remember what they were. One of them  was , uh , the change to , uh  because it did it all at once ,  to  uh , from bark scale to mel scale ,


Right ? It was  it was  there was   there was one thing that was one and a half percent and one that was point eight. So  and  and  let me see if I remember what they were. One of them  was , uh , the change to , uh  because it did it all at once ,  to  uh , from bark scale to mel scale ,

which I really feel like saying in quotes , because @ @  they 're essentially the same scale but the  but  but  but any i individual particular implementation of those things puts things in a particular place.


which I really feel like saying in quotes , because @ @  they 're essentially the same scale but the  but  but  but any i individual particular implementation of those things puts things in a particular place.


which I really feel like saying in quotes , because @ @  they 're essentially the same scale but the  but  but  but any i individual particular implementation of those things puts things in a particular place.

So that 's why I wanted to look  I still haven't looked at it yet. I  I wanna look at exactly where the filters were in the two ,


So that 's why I wanted to look  I still haven't looked at it yet. I  I wanna look at exactly where the filters were in the two ,


So that 's why I wanted to look  I still haven't looked at it yet. I  I wanna look at exactly where the filters were in the two ,

and it   it 's probably something like there 's one fewer or one more filter in the sub  one kilohertz band


and it   it 's probably something like there 's one fewer or one more filter in the sub  one kilohertz band

and for whatever reason with this particular experiment it was better one way or the other.


and for whatever reason with this particular experiment it was better one way or the other.

Um , it could be there 's something more fundamental but it  you know , I  I don't know it yet. And the other  and the other  that was like one and a half or something , and then there was point eight percent , which was  what was the other thing ?


and for whatever reason with this particular experiment it was better one way or the other.

Um , it could be there 's something more fundamental but it  you know , I  I don't know it yet. And the other  and the other  that was like one and a half or something , and then there was point eight percent , which was  what was the other thing ?

Well , that was combined with the triangular. Right ?


Um , it could be there 's something more fundamental but it  you know , I  I don't know it yet. And the other  and the other  that was like one and a half or something , and then there was point eight percent , which was  what was the other thing ?

Well , that was combined with the triangular. Right ?


Well , that was combined with the triangular. Right ?

We d weren't able to separate them out cuz it was just done in one thing. But then there was a point eight percent which was something else.


We d weren't able to separate them out cuz it was just done in one thing. But then there was a point eight percent which was something else.


We d weren't able to separate them out cuz it was just done in one thing. But then there was a point eight percent which was something else.

Do you remember the  ? Oh , yeah. So that was  that was , uh  that one I can claim credit for , uh , i in terms of screwing it up in the first place. So that someone e until someone else fixed it , which is that , um , I never put  when I u We had some problems before with offsets. This inf this went back to , uh , I think Wall Street Journal.


Do you remember the  ? Oh , yeah. So that was  that was , uh  that one I can claim credit for , uh , i in terms of screwing it up in the first place. So that someone e until someone else fixed it , which is that , um , I never put  when I u We had some problems before with offsets. This inf this went back to , uh , I think Wall Street Journal.

So we  we had , uh  ea everybody else who was doing Wall Street Journal knew that there were big DC offsets in th in these data  in those data and  and  and nobody happened to mention it to us ,


So we  we had , uh  ea everybody else who was doing Wall Street Journal knew that there were big DC offsets in th in these data  in those data and  and  and nobody happened to mention it to us ,

and we were getting these , like , really terrible results , like two , three times the error everybody else was getting. And then in casual conversation someone ment mentioned " uh , well , I guess , you know , of course you 're taking care of the offsets. " I said " what offsets ? "


and we were getting these , like , really terrible results , like two , three times the error everybody else was getting. And then in casual conversation someone ment mentioned " uh , well , I guess , you know , of course you 're taking care of the offsets. " I said " what offsets ? "

And at that point , you know , we were pretty new to the data and we 'd never really , like , looked at it on a screen and then when we just put it on the screen  and wroop !


And at that point , you know , we were pretty new to the data and we 'd never really , like , looked at it on a screen and then when we just put it on the screen  and wroop !

there 's this big DC offset. So , um , in PLP


And at that point , you know , we were pretty new to the data and we 'd never really , like , looked at it on a screen and then when we just put it on the screen  and wroop !

there 's this big DC offset. So , um , in PLP

There was a  like a hum or some or  when they recorded it ?


there 's this big DC offset. So , um , in PLP

There was a  like a hum or some or  when they recorded it ?

No. It 's just , it  it 's  it 's not at all uncommon for  for recorded electronics to have different , um , DC offsets.


There was a  like a hum or some or  when they recorded it ?

No. It 's just , it  it 's  it 's not at all uncommon for  for recorded electronics to have different , um , DC offsets.

It 's  it 's , you know , no big deal. It 's  you know , you could have ten , twenty , maybe thirty millivolts , whatever , and it 's consistently in there. The thing is , most people 's front - ends have pre - emphasis with it , with zero at zero frequency , so that it 's irrelevant. Uh , but with P L P , we didn't actually have that. We had  we had the equivalent of pre - emphasis in a  a , uh , Fletcher - Munson style weighting that occurs in the middle of P L but it doesn't actually have a zero at zero frequency ,


No. It 's just , it  it 's  it 's not at all uncommon for  for recorded electronics to have different , um , DC offsets.

It 's  it 's , you know , no big deal. It 's  you know , you could have ten , twenty , maybe thirty millivolts , whatever , and it 's consistently in there. The thing is , most people 's front - ends have pre - emphasis with it , with zero at zero frequency , so that it 's irrelevant. Uh , but with P L P , we didn't actually have that. We had  we had the equivalent of pre - emphasis in a  a , uh , Fletcher - Munson style weighting that occurs in the middle of P L but it doesn't actually have a zero at zero frequency ,


It 's  it 's , you know , no big deal. It 's  you know , you could have ten , twenty , maybe thirty millivolts , whatever , and it 's consistently in there. The thing is , most people 's front - ends have pre - emphasis with it , with zero at zero frequency , so that it 's irrelevant. Uh , but with P L P , we didn't actually have that. We had  we had the equivalent of pre - emphasis in a  a , uh , Fletcher - Munson style weighting that occurs in the middle of P L but it doesn't actually have a zero at zero frequency ,

like , eh , uh , typical simple fr pre - emphasis does. We had something more fancy. It was later on it didn't have that. So at that point I reali " oh sh we better have a  have a high - pass filter " just , you know   just take care of the problem. So I put in a high - pass filter at , uh , I think ninety  ninety hertz or so  uh , for a sixteen kilohertz sampling rate. And I never put anything in to adjust it for different  different sampling rates. And so  well , so , you know , the code doesn't know anything about that and so this is all at eight kilohertz and so it was at forty - five hertz instead of at   instead of at ninety.


like , eh , uh , typical simple fr pre - emphasis does. We had something more fancy. It was later on it didn't have that. So at that point I reali " oh sh we better have a  have a high - pass filter " just , you know   just take care of the problem. So I put in a high - pass filter at , uh , I think ninety  ninety hertz or so  uh , for a sixteen kilohertz sampling rate. And I never put anything in to adjust it for different  different sampling rates. And so  well , so , you know , the code doesn't know anything about that and so this is all at eight kilohertz and so it was at forty - five hertz instead of at   instead of at ninety.

So , um , I don't know if Dan fixed it or  or , uh , what he


So , um , I don't know if Dan fixed it or  or , uh , what he

He made it a parameter. So. Yeah , I guess if he did it right , he did fix it and then  and then it 's taking care of sampling rate , which is great.


He made it a parameter. So. Yeah , I guess if he did it right , he did fix it and then  and then it 's taking care of sampling rate , which is great.


He made it a parameter. So. Yeah , I guess if he did it right , he did fix it and then  and then it 's taking care of sampling rate , which is great.

Is it , uh , just the f lower cut - off that you want ?


Is it , uh , just the f lower cut - off that you want ?


Is it , uh , just the f lower cut - off that you want ?

H  Yeah. Does HPF on  on his feat feature.


Is it , uh , just the f lower cut - off that you want ?

H  Yeah. Does HPF on  on his feat feature.

u And  but HPF , you know , when you put a number after it , uses that as the hertz value of the cut - off.


H  Yeah. Does HPF on  on his feat feature.

u And  but HPF , you know , when you put a number after it , uses that as the hertz value of the cut - off.


u And  but HPF , you know , when you put a number after it , uses that as the hertz value of the cut - off.


I mean , frankly , we never did that with the RASTA filter either ,


I mean , frankly , we never did that with the RASTA filter either ,

so the RASTA filter is actually doing a different thing in the modulation spectral domain depending on what sampling rate you 're doing , which is  another old  old bug of mine.


so the RASTA filter is actually doing a different thing in the modulation spectral domain depending on what sampling rate you 're doing , which is  another old  old bug of mine.

But , um  Um. So that  that was the problem there was th we  we  we had always intended to cut off below a hundred hertz


But , um  Um. So that  that was the problem there was th we  we  we had always intended to cut off below a hundred hertz

and it just wasn't doing it , so now it is. So ,  that hep that helped us by , like , eight tenths of a percent. It  still wasn't a big deal.


But , um  Um. So that  that was the problem there was th we  we  we had always intended to cut off below a hundred hertz

and it just wasn't doing it , so now it is. So ,  that hep that helped us by , like , eight tenths of a percent. It  still wasn't a big deal.

OK. Well , but , um  Well , uh , again , after completing the  current experiments , we 'll   we can add up all the uh differences


and it just wasn't doing it , so now it is. So ,  that hep that helped us by , like , eight tenths of a percent. It  still wasn't a big deal.

OK. Well , but , um  Well , uh , again , after completing the  current experiments , we 'll   we can add up all the uh differences


OK. Well , but , um  Well , uh , again , after completing the  current experiments , we 'll   we can add up all the uh differences

But  but , I guess my  my point was that  that , um , the hybrid system thing that we did was , uh , primitive in many ways.


But  but , I guess my  my point was that  that , um , the hybrid system thing that we did was , uh , primitive in many ways.


But  but , I guess my  my point was that  that , um , the hybrid system thing that we did was , uh , primitive in many ways.

And I think I agree with you that if we fixed lots of different things and they would all add up , we would probably have a  a  a competitive system. But I think not that much of it is due to the front - end per se. I think maybe a couple percent of it is , as far as I can see from this.


And I think I agree with you that if we fixed lots of different things and they would all add up , we would probably have a  a  a competitive system. But I think not that much of it is due to the front - end per se. I think maybe a couple percent of it is , as far as I can see from this.

Uh , unless you call  well , if you call VTL the front - en front - end , that 's , uh , a little more. But that 's sort of more both , kind of.


And I think I agree with you that if we fixed lots of different things and they would all add up , we would probably have a  a  a competitive system. But I think not that much of it is due to the front - end per se. I think maybe a couple percent of it is , as far as I can see from this.

Uh , unless you call  well , if you call VTL the front - en front - end , that 's , uh , a little more. But that 's sort of more both , kind of.

One experiment we should  we 'll probably need to do though when  um , at some point , is , since we 're using that same  the net that was trained on PLP without all these things in it , for the tandem system , we may wanna go back and retrain ,