So that  is the probability that they 're Entering , Vista - ing or Tango - ing.


So slightly  biased  toward " Tango " ing


So slightly  biased  toward " Tango " ing

If it 's night time ,  they have not discussed admission fee , and the n walls are nice.


If it 's night time ,  they have not discussed admission fee , and the n walls are nice.

So , yeah. I guess that  sort of makes sense. The reason I say the  demo doesn't work very well is yesterday we uh   observed everything in favor of  taking a tour , and it came up as " Tango " , right ? Over and over again. We couldn't  we couldn't figure out how to turn it off of " Tango ".


So , yeah. I guess that  sort of makes sense. The reason I say the  demo doesn't work very well is yesterday we uh   observed everything in favor of  taking a tour , and it came up as " Tango " , right ? Over and over again. We couldn't  we couldn't figure out how to turn it off of " Tango ".


Well , that 's obviously just to do with our probabilities.


Well , that 's obviously just to do with our probabilities.

Like ,  we totally hand - tuned the probabilities ,


Like ,  we totally hand - tuned the probabilities ,

right. We were like  " hmm , well if the person does this and this and this , let 's say forty percent for this ,


right. We were like  " hmm , well if the person does this and this and this , let 's say forty percent for this ,

fifty per " Like , you know. So obviously that 's gonna happen.


fifty per " Like , you know. So obviously that 's gonna happen.


Maybe the bias toward " Tango " ing was yours , then ?


It 's  So we have to like fit the probabilities.


It 's  So we have to like fit the probabilities.

Spent my youth practicing the tango de la muerte.


It 's  So we have to like fit the probabilities.

Spent my youth practicing the tango de la muerte.

However you know , it  The purpose was not really , at this stage , to come up with meaningful probabilities but to get thinking about that hidden middle layer. And so th


Spent my youth practicing the tango de la muerte.

However you know , it  The purpose was not really , at this stage , to come up with meaningful probabilities but to get thinking about that hidden middle layer. And so th


However you know , it  The purpose was not really , at this stage , to come up with meaningful probabilities but to get thinking about that hidden middle layer. And so th


However you know , it  The purpose was not really , at this stage , to come up with meaningful probabilities but to get thinking about that hidden middle layer. And so th

We would actually  I guess once we look at the data more we 'll get more hidden  nodes ,


We would actually  I guess once we look at the data more we 'll get more hidden  nodes ,


We would actually  I guess once we look at the data more we 'll get more hidden  nodes ,

but I 'd like to see more. Not because it would  expedite the probabilities , cuz it wouldn't. It would actually slow that down tremendously.


but I 'd like to see more. Not because it would  expedite the probabilities , cuz it wouldn't. It would actually slow that down tremendously.


but I 'd like to see more. Not because it would  expedite the probabilities , cuz it wouldn't. It would actually slow that down tremendously.

Not that much though. Only a little early.


Not that much though. Only a little early.

No , I think we should have uh  exponentially more  middle nodes than features we 've extracted. I 'm ju I 'm just jo


Not that much though. Only a little early.

No , I think we should have uh  exponentially more  middle nodes than features we 've extracted. I 'm ju I 'm just jo

So. Are " doing business " versus " tourist "  They refer to your current task. Like  like current thing you want to do at this moment.


No , I think we should have uh  exponentially more  middle nodes than features we 've extracted. I 'm ju I 'm just jo

So. Are " doing business " versus " tourist "  They refer to your current task. Like  like current thing you want to do at this moment.

Um. Yeah , well   That 's  that 's an interesting point. Whether you 're  It 's whether  It 's not


So. Are " doing business " versus " tourist "  They refer to your current task. Like  like current thing you want to do at this moment.

Um. Yeah , well   That 's  that 's an interesting point. Whether you 're  It 's whether  It 's not


So. Are " doing business " versus " tourist "  They refer to your current task. Like  like current thing you want to do at this moment.

Um. Yeah , well   That 's  that 's an interesting point. Whether you 're  It 's whether  It 's not

I think it 's more like " Are you are tourist ? are you in Ham - like Heidelberg for a  "


Um. Yeah , well   That 's  that 's an interesting point. Whether you 're  It 's whether  It 's not

I think it 's more like " Are you are tourist ? are you in Ham - like Heidelberg for a  "

Oh , so , I thought that was directly given by the context  switch.


I think it 's more like " Are you are tourist ? are you in Ham - like Heidelberg for a  "

Oh , so , I thought that was directly given by the context  switch.

That 's a different thing. What if the context , which is not set , but still they say things like , " I want to go  uh , see the uh  the  the castle and uh , et cetera. "


Oh , so , I thought that was directly given by the context  switch.

That 's a different thing. What if the context , which is not set , but still they say things like , " I want to go  uh , see the uh  the  the castle and uh , et cetera. "

Well the I kind of  thought of " doing business " as more of running an errand type thing.


That 's a different thing. What if the context , which is not set , but still they say things like , " I want to go  uh , see the uh  the  the castle and uh , et cetera. "

Well the I kind of  thought of " doing business " as more of running an errand type thing.

Yeah. Business on the other hand is , uh , definitely what you 're doing.


Well the I kind of  thought of " doing business " as more of running an errand type thing.

Yeah. Business on the other hand is , uh , definitely what you 're doing.

So if you run out of cash as a tourist , and  and  and you need to go to the AT


Yeah. Business on the other hand is , uh , definitely what you 're doing.

So if you run out of cash as a tourist , and  and  and you need to go to the AT

OK. Oh , I see , you may have a task. wh you have to go get money and so you are doing business at that stage.


So if you run out of cash as a tourist , and  and  and you need to go to the AT

OK. Oh , I see , you may have a task. wh you have to go get money and so you are doing business at that stage.


OK. Oh , I see , you may have a task. wh you have to go get money and so you are doing business at that stage.


And that 'll affect whether you want to enter or you if you  kinda thing.


And that 'll affect whether you want to enter or you if you  kinda thing.

OK. So the " tourists " node  should be  um , very consistent with the context node. Right ? If you say that 's more their  in general what their background is.


And that 'll affect whether you want to enter or you if you  kinda thing.

OK. So the " tourists " node  should be  um , very consistent with the context node. Right ? If you say that 's more their  in general what their background is.

Yeah , I think this context node is a bit of a  I don't know , like in d Uh  Do we  wanna have  Like it 's


And that 'll affect whether you want to enter or you if you  kinda thing.

OK. So the " tourists " node  should be  um , very consistent with the context node. Right ? If you say that 's more their  in general what their background is.

Yeah , I think this context node is a bit of a  I don't know , like in d Uh  Do we  wanna have  Like it 's

Are you assuming that or not ? Like is that to be  I mean if that 's accurate then that would determine tourist node.


OK. So the " tourists " node  should be  um , very consistent with the context node. Right ? If you say that 's more their  in general what their background is.

Yeah , I think this context node is a bit of a  I don't know , like in d Uh  Do we  wanna have  Like it 's

Are you assuming that or not ? Like is that to be  I mean if that 's accurate then that would determine tourist node.

If the context were to set one way or another , that like strongly uh um , says something about whether  whether or not they 're tourists.


Yeah , I think this context node is a bit of a  I don't know , like in d Uh  Do we  wanna have  Like it 's

Are you assuming that or not ? Like is that to be  I mean if that 's accurate then that would determine tourist node.

If the context were to set one way or another , that like strongly uh um , says something about whether  whether or not they 're tourists.


Are you assuming that or not ? Like is that to be  I mean if that 's accurate then that would determine tourist node.

If the context were to set one way or another , that like strongly uh um , says something about whether  whether or not they 're tourists.

So what 's interesting is when it 's not  when it 's set to " unknown ".


If the context were to set one way or another , that like strongly uh um , says something about whether  whether or not they 're tourists.

So what 's interesting is when it 's not  when it 's set to " unknown ".


So what 's interesting is when it 's not  when it 's set to " unknown ".

We - what set the  they set the context to " unknown " ?


We - what set the  they set the context to " unknown " ?


We - what set the  they set the context to " unknown " ?

Right now we haven't observed it , so I guess it 's sort of averaging over all those three possibilities.


Right now we haven't observed it , so I guess it 's sort of averaging over all those three possibilities.


But yes , you can set it to un " unknown ".


But yes , you can set it to un " unknown ".

And if we now do  leave everything else as is the results should be the same ,


And if we now do  leave everything else as is the results should be the same ,


Well no , because we  Th - the way we set the probabilities  might not have  Yeah , it 's  it 's an  it 's an issue , right ? Like


Well no , because we  Th - the way we set the probabilities  might not have  Yeah , it 's  it 's an  it 's an issue , right ? Like

Yeah , it is. So the issue is that um in belief - nets , it 's not common to do what we did of like having , you know , a d bunch of values and then " unknown " as an actual value. What 's common is you just like don't observe the variable ,


Yeah , it is. So the issue is that um in belief - nets , it 's not common to do what we did of like having , you know , a d bunch of values and then " unknown " as an actual value. What 's common is you just like don't observe the variable ,


But uh   We didn't do this because we felt that there 'd  I guess we were thinking in terms of a switch that actually


But uh  I don't know y what the right thing is to do for that. I 'm not  I don't know if I totally am happy with  the way it is.


But uh  I don't know y what the right thing is to do for that. I 'm not  I don't know if I totally am happy with  the way it is.

Why don't we  Can we , um  How long would it take to  to add another  node on the observatory and , um , play around with it ?


But uh  I don't know y what the right thing is to do for that. I 'm not  I don't know if I totally am happy with  the way it is.

Why don't we  Can we , um  How long would it take to  to add another  node on the observatory and , um , play around with it ?

Uh , well it depends on how many things it 's linked to.


Why don't we  Can we , um  How long would it take to  to add another  node on the observatory and , um , play around with it ?

Uh , well it depends on how many things it 's linked to.

Let 's just say make it really simple. If we create  something that for example would be um  So th some things can be landmarks in your sense but  they  can never be entered ? So for example s a statue.


Uh , well it depends on how many things it 's linked to.

Let 's just say make it really simple. If we create  something that for example would be um  So th some things can be landmarks in your sense but  they  can never be entered ? So for example s a statue.


Let 's just say make it really simple. If we create  something that for example would be um  So th some things can be landmarks in your sense but  they  can never be entered ? So for example s a statue.


So  maybe we wanna have " landmark "  meaning now " enterable landmark " versus , um something that 's simply just a vista point , for example.


So  maybe we wanna have " landmark "  meaning now " enterable landmark " versus , um something that 's simply just a vista point , for example.

So basically it 's addressing a variable that 's " enterable or not ". So like an " enterable , question mark ".


So basically it 's addressing a variable that 's " enterable or not ". So like an " enterable , question mark ".

Also   you know , didn't we have a  size as one ? The size of the landmark.


Also   you know , didn't we have a  size as one ? The size of the landmark.


For some reason I had that  OK , that was a thought that I had at one point but then went away.


For some reason I had that  OK , that was a thought that I had at one point but then went away.

So you want to have a  a node for like whether or not it can be entered ?


For some reason I had that  OK , that was a thought that I had at one point but then went away.

So you want to have a  a node for like whether or not it can be entered ?

Well , for example , if we include that , yeah ?


So you want to have a  a node for like whether or not it can be entered ?

Well , for example , if we include that , yeah ?

um , accessibility or something , yeah ? " Is it  Can it be entered ? "


Well , for example , if we include that , yeah ?

um , accessibility or something , yeah ? " Is it  Can it be entered ? "


um , accessibility or something , yeah ? " Is it  Can it be entered ? "

then of course , this is  sort of binary as well.


then of course , this is  sort of binary as well.

And then um , there 's also the question whether it may be entered. In the sense that , you know , if it 's  Tom  the house of Tom Cruise , you know , it 's enterable but you may not enter it. You know ? You 're not allowed to.


And then um , there 's also the question whether it may be entered. In the sense that , you know , if it 's  Tom  the house of Tom Cruise , you know , it 's enterable but you may not enter it. You know ? You 're not allowed to.

Unless you are , whatever , his  his divorce lawyer or something.


Unless you are , whatever , his  his divorce lawyer or something.

Yeah ? and um  And these are very observable sort of from the  from the ontology sort of things.


Unless you are , whatever , his  his divorce lawyer or something.

Yeah ? and um  And these are very observable sort of from the  from the ontology sort of things.

Way Does it actually help to distinguish between those two cases though ? Whether it 's practically speaking enterable , or actually physically enterable  or not ?


Yeah ? and um  And these are very observable sort of from the  from the ontology sort of things.

Way Does it actually help to distinguish between those two cases though ? Whether it 's practically speaking enterable , or actually physically enterable  or not ?

y y If  If you 're running an errand you maybe more likely to be able to enter places that are usually not  al w you 're not usually  not allowed to uh m


Yeah ? and um  And these are very observable sort of from the  from the ontology sort of things.

Way Does it actually help to distinguish between those two cases though ? Whether it 's practically speaking enterable , or actually physically enterable  or not ?

y y If  If you 're running an errand you maybe more likely to be able to enter places that are usually not  al w you 're not usually  not allowed to uh m

It seems like it would for uh , uh  determining whether they wanna go into it or not.


Way Does it actually help to distinguish between those two cases though ? Whether it 's practically speaking enterable , or actually physically enterable  or not ?

y y If  If you 're running an errand you maybe more likely to be able to enter places that are usually not  al w you 're not usually  not allowed to uh m

It seems like it would for uh , uh  determining whether they wanna go into it or not.


y y If  If you 're running an errand you maybe more likely to be able to enter places that are usually not  al w you 're not usually  not allowed to uh m

It seems like it would for uh , uh  determining whether they wanna go into it or not.


It seems like it would for uh , uh  determining whether they wanna go into it or not.

Let 's get this uh b clearer. S so it 's matrix between if it 's not enterable , period.


Let 's get this uh b clearer. S so it 's matrix between if it 's not enterable , period.

Whether it 's a  Whether it 's a public building , and whether it 's  actually has a door.


Whether it 's a  Whether it 's a public building , and whether it 's  actually has a door.


So Tom Cruise 's house is  not a public building


OK , sh explain to me why it 's necessary  to distinguish between whether something has a door and is  not public. Or , if something  It seems like it 's equivalent to say that it doesn't have a door a  and it


OK , sh explain to me why it 's necessary  to distinguish between whether something has a door and is  not public. Or , if something  It seems like it 's equivalent to say that it doesn't have a door a  and it

Or " not public " and " not a door " are equivalent things ,


Or " not public " and " not a door " are equivalent things ,


Or " not public " and " not a door " are equivalent things ,

Right. Yeah. So we would have  What does it mean , then , that we have to  we have an object type statue. That really is an object type. So there is  there 's gonna be a bunch of statues.


Right. Yeah. So we would have  What does it mean , then , that we have to  we have an object type statue. That really is an object type. So there is  there 's gonna be a bunch of statues.


Right. Yeah. So we would have  What does it mean , then , that we have to  we have an object type statue. That really is an object type. So there is  there 's gonna be a bunch of statues.

And then we have , for example , an object type ,  hmm , that 's a hotel. How about hotels ?


And then we have , for example , an object type ,  hmm , that 's a hotel. How about hotels ?

So , the most famous building in Heidelberg is actually a hotel. It 's the hotel Zum Ritter , which is the only Renaissance building in Heidelberg that was left after  the big destruction and for the Thirty Years War , blah - blah - blah.


So , the most famous building in Heidelberg is actually a hotel. It 's the hotel Zum Ritter , which is the only Renaissance building in Heidelberg that was left after  the big destruction and for the Thirty Years War , blah - blah - blah.

It has wonderful walls. Um - And lots of detail , c and carvings , engravings and so forth ,


It has wonderful walls. Um - And lots of detail , c and carvings , engravings and so forth ,

so. But , um , it 's still an unlikely candidate for the Tango mode I  must say. But. Um. So  s So if you are a d Well it 's very tricky. So I guess your question is  so far I have no really arg no real argument why to differentiate between statues as  statues and houses of celebrities , from that point of view. Huh. OK. Let  Let 's do a  Can we add , just so I can see how it 's done , uh , a " has door "  property or  ?


so. But , um , it 's still an unlikely candidate for the Tango mode I  must say. But. Um. So  s So if you are a d Well it 's very tricky. So I guess your question is  so far I have no really arg no real argument why to differentiate between statues as  statues and houses of celebrities , from that point of view. Huh. OK. Let  Let 's do a  Can we add , just so I can see how it 's done , uh , a " has door "  property or  ?

What would it , uh , connect to ? Like , what would , uh , it affect ?


so. But , um , it 's still an unlikely candidate for the Tango mode I  must say. But. Um. So  s So if you are a d Well it 's very tricky. So I guess your question is  so far I have no really arg no real argument why to differentiate between statues as  statues and houses of celebrities , from that point of view. Huh. OK. Let  Let 's do a  Can we add , just so I can see how it 's done , uh , a " has door "  property or  ?

What would it , uh , connect to ? Like , what would , uh , it affect ?

Um , I think , um , it might affect  Oh actually it 's  it   it wouldn't affect any of our nodes , right ?


What would it , uh , connect to ? Like , what would , uh , it affect ?

Um , I think , um , it might affect  Oh actually it 's  it   it wouldn't affect any of our nodes , right ?

What I was thinking was if you had a  like


What would it , uh , connect to ? Like , what would , uh , it affect ?

Um , I think , um , it might affect  Oh actually it 's  it   it wouldn't affect any of our nodes , right ?

What I was thinking was if you had a  like

Oh it 's  it affects th The " doing business " is certainly not.


Um , I think , um , it might affect  Oh actually it 's  it   it wouldn't affect any of our nodes , right ?

What I was thinking was if you had a  like

Oh it 's  it affects th The " doing business " is certainly not.

You could affect   Theoretically you could affect " doing business " with " has door ".


What I was thinking was if you had a  like

Oh it 's  it affects th The " doing business " is certainly not.

You could affect   Theoretically you could affect " doing business " with " has door ".


Oh it 's  it affects th The " doing business " is certainly not.

You could affect   Theoretically you could affect " doing business " with " has door ".


You could affect   Theoretically you could affect " doing business " with " has door ".


Yeah , I don't know if JavaBayes is nice about that. It might be that if you add a new thing pointing to a variable , you just like  it just overwrites everything. But  you can check.


Yeah , I don't know if JavaBayes is nice about that. It might be that if you add a new thing pointing to a variable , you just like  it just overwrites everything. But  you can check.

Well ,  we have it saved. So.  We can rel open it up again.


Well ,  we have it saved. So.  We can rel open it up again.

I think you could just add it. I mean , I have before OK. Whew !


I think you could just add it. I mean , I have before OK. Whew !

Well that 's fine , but we have to see the function now. Has it become all point fives or not ?


I think you could just add it. I mean , I have before OK. Whew !

Well that 's fine , but we have to see the function now. Has it become all point fives or not ?

Let 's see. So this is " has door " Uh , true , false. That 's acceptable. And I want to edit the function going to that , right ? Oh no.


Well that 's fine , but we have to see the function now. Has it become all point fives or not ?

Let 's see. So this is " has door " Uh , true , false. That 's acceptable. And I want to edit the function going to that , right ? Oh no.


Let 's see. So this is " has door " Uh , true , false. That 's acceptable. And I want to edit the function going to that , right ? Oh no.


What would be nice if it  is if it just like kept the old function for either value but. Nope. Didn't  do it.


What would be nice if it  is if it just like kept the old function for either value but. Nope. Didn't  do it.

Oh wait , it might be  Did we w Yes , that 's not good.


Oh wait , it might be  Did we w Yes , that 's not good.

OK , so just dis dismiss everything. Close it and  and load up the old state so  it doesn't screw  screw that up.


OK , so just dis dismiss everything. Close it and  and load up the old state so  it doesn't screw  screw that up.


Yes. Really  I ha I 've  I haven't used it a lot and I haven't used it in the last you know many months so


Like , we looked at sort of uh  a page that had like a bunch of


Like , we looked at sort of uh  a page that had like a bunch of

OK. Yeah , S I guess he 'd be the person.


OK. Yeah , S I guess he 'd be the person.


I mean in a way this is a lot of good features in Java it 's cra has a GUI and it 's uh


I mean in a way this is a lot of good features in Java it 's cra has a GUI and it 's uh

I guess those are the main two things. It does learning , it has


I guess those are the main two things. It does learning , it has


Oh right. Maybe you 're right. OK. Right. But uh  it 's free.


Oh right. Maybe you 're right. OK. Right. But uh  it 's free.

But uh , yeah. Maybe another thing that uh  But I mean its interface is not the greatest. So.


But uh , yeah. Maybe another thing that uh  But I mean its interface is not the greatest. So.


What is the c code ? Can w can we see that ? How do you write the code


What is the c code ? Can w can we see that ? How do you write the code

or do you actually never have to write any code there ?


What is the c code ? Can w can we see that ? How do you write the code

or do you actually never have to write any code there ?

Yeah. There is actually a text file that you can edit. But it 's  You don't have to do that.


or do you actually never have to write any code there ?

Yeah. There is actually a text file that you can edit. But it 's  You don't have to do that.

There 's like an XML format for  Bayes - nets.


Yeah. There is actually a text file that you can edit. But it 's  You don't have to do that.

There 's like an XML format for  Bayes - nets.

The - there is one. I don't know if this uses it.


There 's like an XML format for  Bayes - nets.

The - there is one. I don't know if this uses it.


The - there is one. I don't know if this uses it.


I didn't n  Is there an ampersand in DOS ?


I didn't n  Is there an ampersand in DOS ?

We - That 's alright. I can probably double cli click on it.


We - That 's alright. I can probably double cli click on it.


It 'll ask you what you  what it wants  what you want to open it with and see what BAT , I guess.


It 'll ask you what you  what it wants  what you want to open it with and see what BAT , I guess.

One of these days , it should open this , theoretically.


One of these days , it should open this , theoretically.


Through the old Notepad. That 's my favorite editor.


Through the old Notepad. That 's my favorite editor.

I like  I like Word Pad because it has the uh  the returns ,


I like  I like Word Pad because it has the uh  the returns ,


You know how they get " auto - fills " I guess ,


It just basically looks like it just specifies a bunch of


It just basically looks like it just specifies a bunch of

Yeah. That 's how actual probability tables are specified.


Yeah. That 's how actual probability tables are specified.


So you 'd have to like figure out  Like you have to go and


Actually we could write a program that could generate this.


Yeah we can maybe write an interface th for uh entering probability distributions easily , something like  like a little script. That might  be worth it.


Yeah we can maybe write an interface th for uh entering probability distributions easily , something like  like a little script. That might  be worth it.

Yeah. I actually seem to recall Srini complaining about something to do with Entering probability so this is probably


Yeah. I actually seem to recall Srini complaining about something to do with Entering probability so this is probably


We could  manipulate the source  itself ?


We could  manipulate the source  itself ?

Do you have the true source files or just the class ?


Do you have the true source files or just the class ?


" Source ". That 's  that 's quite nice.


" Source ". That 's  that 's quite nice.

I don't know if it actually manipulate the source , though. That might be a bit complicated.


" Source ". That 's  that 's quite nice.

I don't know if it actually manipulate the source , though. That might be a bit complicated.

I think it might  it might be simpler to just  have a script that , you know  It 's , like , friendly ,


I don't know if it actually manipulate the source , though. That might be a bit complicated.

I think it might  it might be simpler to just  have a script that , you know  It 's , like , friendly ,


I think it might  it might be simpler to just  have a script that , you know  It 's , like , friendly ,


But if th if there is an XML  file that  or format that it can also read  I mean it just reads this , right ? When it starts.


But if th if there is an XML  file that  or format that it can also read  I mean it just reads this , right ? When it starts.

Yeah I know there is an  I was looking on the we web page and he 's updated it for an XML version of I guess Bayes - nets. There 's a Bayes - net spec for  in XML.


Yeah I know there is an  I was looking on the we web page and he 's updated it for an XML version of I guess Bayes - nets. There 's a Bayes - net spec for  in XML.


The JavaBayes guy ? So  but , e he doesn't use it. So in what sense has he updated it ?


The JavaBayes guy ? So  but , e he doesn't use it. So in what sense has he updated it ?

Well th you can either  you ca or you can read both.


Well th you can either  you ca or you can read both.


Because uh  Well at least the  uh  I could have misread the web page , I have a habit of doing that , but.


Do I have more slides ? Um yes , one more. " Future Work ". I think every presentation have a should have a " Future Work " slide. But uh it 's basically  we already talked about all this stuff , so.


Do I have more slides ? Um yes , one more. " Future Work ". I think every presentation have a should have a " Future Work " slide. But uh it 's basically  we already talked about all this stuff , so.

Um. The additional thing is I guess learning the probabilities ,  also. E That 's maybe , I don't know   If


Um. The additional thing is I guess learning the probabilities ,  also. E That 's maybe , I don't know   If


And of course if you have a presentation that doesn't  have something that doesn't work at all , then you have " What I learned " , as a slide.


What I learned. OK , so I think that uh our presentation 's finished.


What I learned. OK , so I think that uh our presentation 's finished.

I know what I like about these meetings is one person will nod , and then the next person will nod , and then it just goes all the way around the room.


I know what I like about these meetings is one person will nod , and then the next person will nod , and then it just goes all the way around the room.


I know what I like about these meetings is one person will nod , and then the next person will nod , and then it just goes all the way around the room.

No I  Earlier I went  and Bhaskara went  and you did it. You did it.


No I  Earlier I went  and Bhaskara went  and you did it. You did it.


Yeah. Could you put the  the um , net up again ?


Yeah. Could you put the  the um , net up again ?

And actually I was  cuz I got a wireless mike on.


And actually I was  cuz I got a wireless mike on.

So a more general thing than " discussed admission fee " um , could be  I  I 'm just wondering whether the context , the background context of the discourse  might be  I don't know , if there 's a way to define it or maybe you know generalize it some way um , there might be other cues that , say , um , in the last few utterances there has been something that has strongly associated with say one of the particular modes uh , I don't know if that might be


And actually I was  cuz I got a wireless mike on.

So a more general thing than " discussed admission fee " um , could be  I  I 'm just wondering whether the context , the background context of the discourse  might be  I don't know , if there 's a way to define it or maybe you know generalize it some way um , there might be other cues that , say , um , in the last few utterances there has been something that has strongly associated with say one of the particular modes uh , I don't know if that might be

uh , and  and into that node would be various  various things that  that could have specifically come up.


So a more general thing than " discussed admission fee " um , could be  I  I 'm just wondering whether the context , the background context of the discourse  might be  I don't know , if there 's a way to define it or maybe you know generalize it some way um , there might be other cues that , say , um , in the last few utterances there has been something that has strongly associated with say one of the particular modes uh , I don't know if that might be

uh , and  and into that node would be various  various things that  that could have specifically come up.

I think a  a sort of general strategy here  You know , this is  this is excellent because  um it gets you thinking along these terms  is that maybe we ob we could observe a couple of um discourse phenomena such as the admission fee , and something else and something else , that happened in the discourse before.


uh , and  and into that node would be various  various things that  that could have specifically come up.

I think a  a sort of general strategy here  You know , this is  this is excellent because  um it gets you thinking along these terms  is that maybe we ob we could observe a couple of um discourse phenomena such as the admission fee , and something else and something else , that happened in the discourse before.


uh , and  and into that node would be various  various things that  that could have specifically come up.

I think a  a sort of general strategy here  You know , this is  this is excellent because  um it gets you thinking along these terms  is that maybe we ob we could observe a couple of um discourse phenomena such as the admission fee , and something else and something else , that happened in the discourse before.

And um  let 's make those four. And maybe there are two um  So maybe this could be sort of a separate region of the net ,  which has two   has it 's own middle layer. Maybe this , you know , has some  kind  of um , funky thing that di if this and this may influence these hidden nodes of the discourse which is maybe something that is uh , a more general version of the actual  phenomenon that you can observe. So things that point towards


I think a  a sort of general strategy here  You know , this is  this is excellent because  um it gets you thinking along these terms  is that maybe we ob we could observe a couple of um discourse phenomena such as the admission fee , and something else and something else , that happened in the discourse before.

And um  let 's make those four. And maybe there are two um  So maybe this could be sort of a separate region of the net ,  which has two   has it 's own middle layer. Maybe this , you know , has some  kind  of um , funky thing that di if this and this may influence these hidden nodes of the discourse which is maybe something that is uh , a more general version of the actual  phenomenon that you can observe. So things that point towards

So instead of single node , for  like , if they said the word " admission fee "


And um  let 's make those four. And maybe there are two um  So maybe this could be sort of a separate region of the net ,  which has two   has it 's own middle layer. Maybe this , you know , has some  kind  of um , funky thing that di if this and this may influence these hidden nodes of the discourse which is maybe something that is uh , a more general version of the actual  phenomenon that you can observe. So things that point towards

So instead of single node , for  like , if they said the word " admission fee "


And um  let 's make those four. And maybe there are two um  So maybe this could be sort of a separate region of the net ,  which has two   has it 's own middle layer. Maybe this , you know , has some  kind  of um , funky thing that di if this and this may influence these hidden nodes of the discourse which is maybe something that is uh , a more general version of the actual  phenomenon that you can observe. So things that point towards

So instead of single node , for  like , if they said the word " admission fee "

" admission fee " , or maybe , you know , " how much to enter "


So instead of single node , for  like , if they said the word " admission fee "

" admission fee " , or maybe , you know , " how much to enter "


" admission fee " , or maybe , you know , " how much to enter "


Exactly. That would all f funnel into one node that would  constitute entrance requirements or something like that.


I mean it sort of get into plan recognition kinds of things in the discourse. I mean that 's like the bigger um , version of it.


I mean it sort of get into plan recognition kinds of things in the discourse. I mean that 's like the bigger um , version of it.

Exactly. Yeah ? And then maybe there are some discourse acts if they happened before , um it 's more for um a cue that the person actually wants to get somewhere else and that you are in a  in a  in a route um , sort of proceeding past these things , so this would be just something that  where you want to pass it. Hmm ? Is that it ? However these are of course then the  the nodes , the observed nodes , for your middle layer. So this  again points to " final destination " , " doing business " , " tourist hurry " and so forth.


Exactly. Yeah ? And then maybe there are some discourse acts if they happened before , um it 's more for um a cue that the person actually wants to get somewhere else and that you are in a  in a  in a route um , sort of proceeding past these things , so this would be just something that  where you want to pass it. Hmm ? Is that it ? However these are of course then the  the nodes , the observed nodes , for your middle layer. So this  again points to " final destination " , " doing business " , " tourist hurry " and so forth.

Yeah ? And so then we can say , " OK. we have a whole  region  "  in a e


Yeah ? And so then we can say , " OK. we have a whole  region  "  in a e

That 's a whole set of discourse related cues to your middle layer.


Yeah ? And so then we can say , " OK. we have a whole  region  "  in a e

That 's a whole set of discourse related cues to your middle layer.

Yeah , exactly. And this is just  then just one.


That 's a whole set of discourse related cues to your middle layer.

Yeah , exactly. And this is just  then just one.

So e because at the end the more we um  add , you know , the more spider - web - ish it 's going to become in the middle and the more of hand editing. It 's going to get very ugly. But with this way we could say " OK , these are the  discourse phenomena. They ra may have there own hidden layer  that points to some of  the  the real hidden layer , um or the general hidden layer.


Yeah , exactly. And this is just  then just one.

So e because at the end the more we um  add , you know , the more spider - web - ish it 's going to become in the middle and the more of hand editing. It 's going to get very ugly. But with this way we could say " OK , these are the  discourse phenomena. They ra may have there own hidden layer  that points to some of  the  the real hidden layer , um or the general hidden layer.


So e because at the end the more we um  add , you know , the more spider - web - ish it 's going to become in the middle and the more of hand editing. It 's going to get very ugly. But with this way we could say " OK , these are the  discourse phenomena. They ra may have there own hidden layer  that points to some of  the  the real hidden layer , um or the general hidden layer.

And the same we will be able to do for syntactic information , the verbs used , the object types used , modifiers. And maybe there 's a hidden layer for that.


And the same we will be able to do for syntactic information , the verbs used , the object types used , modifiers. And maybe there 's a hidden layer for that.

And so forth and so forth. Then we have context.


And the same we will be able to do for syntactic information , the verbs used , the object types used , modifiers. And maybe there 's a hidden layer for that.

And so forth and so forth. Then we have context.

Yeah. So essentially a lot of those nodes can be expanded into little Bayes - nets of their own.


And so forth and so forth. Then we have context.

Yeah. So essentially a lot of those nodes can be expanded into little Bayes - nets of their own.


Yeah. So essentially a lot of those nodes can be expanded into little Bayes - nets of their own.


One thing that 's kind of been bugging me when I  more I look at this is that the  I guess , the fact that the  there 's a complete separation between the  observed features and in the output.


One thing that 's kind of been bugging me when I  more I look at this is that the  I guess , the fact that the  there 's a complete separation between the  observed features and in the output.

I mean , it makes it cleaner , but then uh  I mean.


I mean , it makes it cleaner , but then uh  I mean.


well for instance , the " discourse admission fee "  node seems like it should point directly to the


well for instance , the " discourse admission fee "  node seems like it should point directly to the

or increase the probability of " enter  directly " versus " going there via tourist ".


well for instance , the " discourse admission fee "  node seems like it should point directly to the

or increase the probability of " enter  directly " versus " going there via tourist ".

Yeah. Or we could like add more , uh , sort of middle nodes. Like we could add a node like do they want to enter it , which is affected by admission fee and by whether it 's closed and by whether it has a door.


or increase the probability of " enter  directly " versus " going there via tourist ".

Yeah. Or we could like add more , uh , sort of middle nodes. Like we could add a node like do they want to enter it , which is affected by admission fee and by whether it 's closed and by whether it has a door.


Yeah. Or we could like add more , uh , sort of middle nodes. Like we could add a node like do they want to enter it , which is affected by admission fee and by whether it 's closed and by whether it has a door.

So it 's like  There are  Those are the two options. Either like make an arrow directly or put a new node.


So it 's like  There are  Those are the two options. Either like make an arrow directly or put a new node.


Yeah. And if it  if you do it  If you could connect it too hard you may get such phenomenon that  like " So how much has it cost to enter ? " and the answer is two hundred fifty dollars , and then the persons says um " Yeah I want to see it. " Yeah ? meaning " It 's way out of my budget " um


Yeah. And if it  if you do it  If you could connect it too hard you may get such phenomenon that  like " So how much has it cost to enter ? " and the answer is two hundred fifty dollars , and then the persons says um " Yeah I want to see it. " Yeah ? meaning " It 's way out of my budget " um

There are places in Germany where it costs two hundred fifty dollars to enter ?


Yeah. And if it  if you do it  If you could connect it too hard you may get such phenomenon that  like " So how much has it cost to enter ? " and the answer is two hundred fifty dollars , and then the persons says um " Yeah I want to see it. " Yeah ? meaning " It 's way out of my budget " um

There are places in Germany where it costs two hundred fifty dollars to enter ?

Um , nothing comes to mind. Without thinking too hard. Um , maybe , yeah of course , um opera premiers.


There are places in Germany where it costs two hundred fifty dollars to enter ?

Um , nothing comes to mind. Without thinking too hard. Um , maybe , yeah of course , um opera premiers.


Um , nothing comes to mind. Without thinking too hard. Um , maybe , yeah of course , um opera premiers.


I see. If you want to see " The Magic Flute " or something.


I see. If you want to see " The Magic Flute " or something.

Or maybe um , a famous restaurant. or , I don't know. There are various things that you might w not want to eat a  meal there but  your own table.


Or maybe um , a famous restaurant. or , I don't know. There are various things that you might w not want to eat a  meal there but  your own table.

I think that the h I mean nothing beats the  the admission charge prices in Japan. So there , two hundred dollars is  is moderate for getting into a discotheque. You know. Then again , everything else is free then once you 're ins in there.


I think that the h I mean nothing beats the  the admission charge prices in Japan. So there , two hundred dollars is  is moderate for getting into a discotheque. You know. Then again , everything else is free then once you 're ins in there.

Food and drink and so forth. So. I mean. But i you know , i we can  Something  Somebody can have discussed the admission fee and u the answer  is s if we  um , you know , um  still , based on that result is never going to enter that building.


Food and drink and so forth. So. I mean. But i you know , i we can  Something  Somebody can have discussed the admission fee and u the answer  is s if we  um , you know , um  still , based on that result is never going to enter that building.

You know ? Because it 's just too expensive.


Food and drink and so forth. So. I mean. But i you know , i we can  Something  Somebody can have discussed the admission fee and u the answer  is s if we  um , you know , um  still , based on that result is never going to enter that building.

You know ? Because it 's just too expensive.

Oh yeah , I think I see. So the discourse refers to " admission fee " but it just turns out that they change their mind in the middle of the discourse.


You know ? Because it 's just too expensive.

Oh yeah , I think I see. So the discourse refers to " admission fee " but it just turns out that they change their mind in the middle of the discourse.

Yeah. you have to have some notion of not just  I mean there 's a  there 's change across several turns of discourse


Oh yeah , I think I see. So the discourse refers to " admission fee " but it just turns out that they change their mind in the middle of the discourse.

Yeah. you have to have some notion of not just  I mean there 's a  there 's change across several turns of discourse


Yeah. you have to have some notion of not just  I mean there 's a  there 's change across several turns of discourse

so  I don't know how  if any of this was discussed  but how i if it all this is going to interact with  whatever general  uh , other  other discourse processing that might be happen.


so  I don't know how  if any of this was discussed  but how i if it all this is going to interact with  whatever general  uh , other  other discourse processing that might be happen.


What sort of discourse  processing is uh  are the  How much is built into SmartKom and


What sort of discourse  processing is uh  are the  How much is built into SmartKom and

It works like this. The uh , um  I mean. The first thing we get is that  already the intention is sort of t They tried to figure out the intention , right ? simply by parsing it. And this um  m won't differentiate between all modes , yeah ? but at least it 'll tell us " OK here we have something that  somebody that wants to go someplace , now it 's up for us to figure out what kind of going there is  is   is happening , and um , if the discourse takes a couple of turns before everything  all the information is needed , what happens is you know the parser parses it and then it 's handed on to the discourse history which is , um o one of the most elaborate  elaborate modules. It 's  it 's actually the  the whole memory of the entire system , that knows what  wh who said what , which was  what was presented. It helps an an anaphora resolution and it  and it fills in all the structures that are omitted , so ,  um , because you say " OK ,  how can I get to the castle ? " Oh , how  how much is it ? " and um " yeah I would like uh  um  to g let 's do it " and so forth. So even without an a ana  anaphora somebody has to make sure that information we had earlier on is still here.


What sort of discourse  processing is uh  are the  How much is built into SmartKom and

It works like this. The uh , um  I mean. The first thing we get is that  already the intention is sort of t They tried to figure out the intention , right ? simply by parsing it. And this um  m won't differentiate between all modes , yeah ? but at least it 'll tell us " OK here we have something that  somebody that wants to go someplace , now it 's up for us to figure out what kind of going there is  is   is happening , and um , if the discourse takes a couple of turns before everything  all the information is needed , what happens is you know the parser parses it and then it 's handed on to the discourse history which is , um o one of the most elaborate  elaborate modules. It 's  it 's actually the  the whole memory of the entire system , that knows what  wh who said what , which was  what was presented. It helps an an anaphora resolution and it  and it fills in all the structures that are omitted , so ,  um , because you say " OK ,  how can I get to the castle ? " Oh , how  how much is it ? " and um " yeah I would like uh  um  to g let 's do it " and so forth. So even without an a ana  anaphora somebody has to make sure that information we had earlier on is still here.

Because not every module keeps a memory of everything that happened. so  whenever the uh , um person is not actually rejecting what happened before , so as in " No I really don't want to see that movie. I 'd rather stay home and watch TV " um  What movie was selected in what cinema in what town is  is going to be sort of added into the disc into the representations every di at each dialogue step , by the discourse model  discourse  model , Yeah , that 's what it 's called. and , um , it does some help in the anaphora resolution and it also helps in coordinating the gesture screen issues. So a person pointing to something on the screen , you know , the discourse model actually stores what was presented at what location on the s on the screen


It works like this. The uh , um  I mean. The first thing we get is that  already the intention is sort of t They tried to figure out the intention , right ? simply by parsing it. And this um  m won't differentiate between all modes , yeah ? but at least it 'll tell us " OK here we have something that  somebody that wants to go someplace , now it 's up for us to figure out what kind of going there is  is   is happening , and um , if the discourse takes a couple of turns before everything  all the information is needed , what happens is you know the parser parses it and then it 's handed on to the discourse history which is , um o one of the most elaborate  elaborate modules. It 's  it 's actually the  the whole memory of the entire system , that knows what  wh who said what , which was  what was presented. It helps an an anaphora resolution and it  and it fills in all the structures that are omitted , so ,  um , because you say " OK ,  how can I get to the castle ? " Oh , how  how much is it ? " and um " yeah I would like uh  um  to g let 's do it " and so forth. So even without an a ana  anaphora somebody has to make sure that information we had earlier on is still here.

Because not every module keeps a memory of everything that happened. so  whenever the uh , um person is not actually rejecting what happened before , so as in " No I really don't want to see that movie. I 'd rather stay home and watch TV " um  What movie was selected in what cinema in what town is  is going to be sort of added into the disc into the representations every di at each dialogue step , by the discourse model  discourse  model , Yeah , that 's what it 's called. and , um , it does some help in the anaphora resolution and it also helps in coordinating the gesture screen issues. So a person pointing to something on the screen , you know , the discourse model actually stores what was presented at what location on the s on the screen


Because not every module keeps a memory of everything that happened. so  whenever the uh , um person is not actually rejecting what happened before , so as in " No I really don't want to see that movie. I 'd rather stay home and watch TV " um  What movie was selected in what cinema in what town is  is going to be sort of added into the disc into the representations every di at each dialogue step , by the discourse model  discourse  model , Yeah , that 's what it 's called. and , um , it does some help in the anaphora resolution and it also helps in coordinating the gesture screen issues. So a person pointing to something on the screen , you know , the discourse model actually stores what was presented at what location on the s on the screen

so it 's a  it 's a rather huge   huge thing but um    um    we can  sort of  It has a very clear interface. We can query it whether admission fees were discussed in the last turn and  and the turn before that or you know how  deep we want to search


so it 's a  it 's a rather huge   huge thing but um    um    we can  sort of  It has a very clear interface. We can query it whether admission fees were discussed in the last turn and  and the turn before that or you know how  deep we want to search

um  which is a question. How deep do we want to sear , you know ? Um  but we should  try to keep in mind that , you know , we 're doing this sort of for research , so we  we should find a limit that 's reasonable and not go , you know , all the way back to Adam and Eve. You know , did that person ever discuss admissions fee  fees in his entire life ? And the dialogues are pretty  pretty you know  concise and  Anyway.


so it 's a  it 's a rather huge   huge thing but um    um    we can  sort of  It has a very clear interface. We can query it whether admission fees were discussed in the last turn and  and the turn before that or you know how  deep we want to search

um  which is a question. How deep do we want to sear , you know ? Um  but we should  try to keep in mind that , you know , we 're doing this sort of for research , so we  we should find a limit that 's reasonable and not go , you know , all the way back to Adam and Eve. You know , did that person ever discuss admissions fee  fees in his entire life ? And the dialogues are pretty  pretty you know  concise and  Anyway.

So one thing that might be helpful which is implicit in the  use of " admission fee discussion " as a cue for entry ,   is thinking about the plans that various people might have. Like all the different  sort of general schemas that they might be following OK. This person is um , finding out information about this thing in order to go  in as a tourist or finding out how to get to this place  in order to do business. Um , because then  anything that 's a cue for one of the steps  would be slight evidence for that overall plan. Um , I don't know. They 're  in  in non in sort of more traditional AI kinds of plan recognition things you sort of have   you know , some idea at each turn of agent doing something , " OK , wha what plans is this a  consistent with ? " and then get s some more information and then you see  " here 's a sequence that this sort of roughly fits into ". It  it might be useful here too.


um  which is a question. How deep do we want to sear , you know ? Um  but we should  try to keep in mind that , you know , we 're doing this sort of for research , so we  we should find a limit that 's reasonable and not go , you know , all the way back to Adam and Eve. You know , did that person ever discuss admissions fee  fees in his entire life ? And the dialogues are pretty  pretty you know  concise and  Anyway.

So one thing that might be helpful which is implicit in the  use of " admission fee discussion " as a cue for entry ,   is thinking about the plans that various people might have. Like all the different  sort of general schemas that they might be following OK. This person is um , finding out information about this thing in order to go  in as a tourist or finding out how to get to this place  in order to do business. Um , because then  anything that 's a cue for one of the steps  would be slight evidence for that overall plan. Um , I don't know. They 're  in  in non in sort of more traditional AI kinds of plan recognition things you sort of have   you know , some idea at each turn of agent doing something , " OK , wha what plans is this a  consistent with ? " and then get s some more information and then you see  " here 's a sequence that this sort of roughly fits into ". It  it might be useful here too.


um  which is a question. How deep do we want to sear , you know ? Um  but we should  try to keep in mind that , you know , we 're doing this sort of for research , so we  we should find a limit that 's reasonable and not go , you know , all the way back to Adam and Eve. You know , did that person ever discuss admissions fee  fees in his entire life ? And the dialogues are pretty  pretty you know  concise and  Anyway.

So one thing that might be helpful which is implicit in the  use of " admission fee discussion " as a cue for entry ,   is thinking about the plans that various people might have. Like all the different  sort of general schemas that they might be following OK. This person is um , finding out information about this thing in order to go  in as a tourist or finding out how to get to this place  in order to do business. Um , because then  anything that 's a cue for one of the steps  would be slight evidence for that overall plan. Um , I don't know. They 're  in  in non in sort of more traditional AI kinds of plan recognition things you sort of have   you know , some idea at each turn of agent doing something , " OK , wha what plans is this a  consistent with ? " and then get s some more information and then you see  " here 's a sequence that this sort of roughly fits into ". It  it might be useful here too.

I  I don't know how you know you 'd have to   figure out what knowl what knowledge representation would work for that.


So one thing that might be helpful which is implicit in the  use of " admission fee discussion " as a cue for entry ,   is thinking about the plans that various people might have. Like all the different  sort of general schemas that they might be following OK. This person is um , finding out information about this thing in order to go  in as a tourist or finding out how to get to this place  in order to do business. Um , because then  anything that 's a cue for one of the steps  would be slight evidence for that overall plan. Um , I don't know. They 're  in  in non in sort of more traditional AI kinds of plan recognition things you sort of have   you know , some idea at each turn of agent doing something , " OK , wha what plans is this a  consistent with ? " and then get s some more information and then you see  " here 's a sequence that this sort of roughly fits into ". It  it might be useful here too.

I  I don't know how you know you 'd have to   figure out what knowl what knowledge representation would work for that.


I  I don't know how you know you 'd have to   figure out what knowl what knowledge representation would work for that.


I  I don't know how you know you 'd have to   figure out what knowl what knowledge representation would work for that.

It 's in the  these  these  these plan schemas. I mean there are some  some of them are extremely elaborate , you know. " What do you need  need to buy a ticket ? "


It 's in the  these  these  these plan schemas. I mean there are some  some of them are extremely elaborate , you know. " What do you need  need to buy a ticket ? "


huh ? just for buying a ticket  at a ticket counter , you know , and  and maybe that 's helpful to look at it  to look at those. It 's amazing what human beings can do. W when we talked uh we had the example , you know , of you being uh  a s a person on a ticket counter working at railway station and somebody r runs up to you with a suitcase in his hands , says  New York and you say Track seven , huh ? And it 's because you know that that person actually is following , you know  You execute a whole plan of going through a hundred and fifty steps , you know , without any information other than " New York " , huh ? inferring everything from the context. So , works. Um , even though there is probably no train from here to New York , right ?


huh ? just for buying a ticket  at a ticket counter , you know , and  and maybe that 's helpful to look at it  to look at those. It 's amazing what human beings can do. W when we talked uh we had the example , you know , of you being uh  a s a person on a ticket counter working at railway station and somebody r runs up to you with a suitcase in his hands , says  New York and you say Track seven , huh ? And it 's because you know that that person actually is following , you know  You execute a whole plan of going through a hundred and fifty steps , you know , without any information other than " New York " , huh ? inferring everything from the context. So , works. Um , even though there is probably no train from here to New York , right ?

You 'd uh probably have to transfer in Chicago.


huh ? just for buying a ticket  at a ticket counter , you know , and  and maybe that 's helpful to look at it  to look at those. It 's amazing what human beings can do. W when we talked uh we had the example , you know , of you being uh  a s a person on a ticket counter working at railway station and somebody r runs up to you with a suitcase in his hands , says  New York and you say Track seven , huh ? And it 's because you know that that person actually is following , you know  You execute a whole plan of going through a hundred and fifty steps , you know , without any information other than " New York " , huh ? inferring everything from the context. So , works. Um , even though there is probably no train from here to New York , right ?

You 'd uh probably have to transfer in Chicago.

Mm - hmm. But uh  it 's possible. Um , no you probably have to transfer also somewhere else. Right ? Is that t San Francisco , Chicago ?


You 'd uh probably have to transfer in Chicago.

Mm - hmm. But uh  it 's possible. Um , no you probably have to transfer also somewhere else. Right ? Is that t San Francisco , Chicago ?


Mm - hmm. But uh  it 's possible. Um , no you probably have to transfer also somewhere else. Right ? Is that t San Francisco , Chicago ?

One time I saw a report on trains , and I think there is a l I don't know if  I thought there was a line that went from somewhere , maybe it was Sacramento to Chicago ,


One time I saw a report on trains , and I think there is a l I don't know if  I thought there was a line that went from somewhere , maybe it was Sacramento to Chicago ,


One time I saw a report on trains , and I think there is a l I don't know if  I thought there was a line that went from somewhere , maybe it was Sacramento to Chicago ,

but there was like a California to Chicago line of some sort.


but there was like a California to Chicago line of some sort.

I could be wrong though. It was a while ago.


but there was like a California to Chicago line of some sort.

I could be wrong though. It was a while ago.

The Transcontinental Railroad , doesn't that ring a bell ?


I could be wrong though. It was a while ago.

The Transcontinental Railroad , doesn't that ring a bell ?


The Transcontinental Railroad , doesn't that ring a bell ?


Well it never went all the way , right ? I mean you always had to change trains at Omaha ,


Well it never went all the way , right ? I mean you always had to change trains at Omaha ,

right ? One track ended there and the other one started at  five meters away from that


right ? One track ended there and the other one started at  five meters away from that


right ? One track ended there and the other one started at  five meters away from that

Well.  You seem to know better than we do so.


Well.  You seem to know better than we do so.

yeah ? Has anybody ever been on an Amtrak ?


yeah ? Has anybody ever been on an Amtrak ?


I just  They seem to have a lot of accidents on the Amtrak.


It 's not like German trains. Like German trains are really great so.


It 's not like German trains. Like German trains are really great so.

But  you know , I don't know whether it 's  which ones are safer , you know , statistically.


But  you know , I don't know whether it 's  which ones are safer , you know , statistically.


And there 's much more of them. Yeah , they 're Yeah , it 's  way better


And there 's much more of them. Yeah , they 're Yeah , it 's  way better

yeah I used  um Amtrak quite a bit on the east coast and I was surprised. It was actually OK.


yeah I used  um Amtrak quite a bit on the east coast and I was surprised. It was actually OK.


This is going to be an interesting transcript.


This is going to be an interesting transcript.

I  I want to see what it does with uh " landmark - iness ". That 's


I  I want to see what it does with uh " landmark - iness ". That 's


So by the way tha that structure  that Robert drew on the board was like more um ,   cue - type - based , right , here 's like we 're gonna  segment off a bit of stuff that comes from discourse and then  some of the things we 're talking about here are more  you know , we mentioned maybe  if they talk about  um , I don't know , entering or som you know like they might be more task - based.


So by the way tha that structure  that Robert drew on the board was like more um ,   cue - type - based , right , here 's like we 're gonna  segment off a bit of stuff that comes from discourse and then  some of the things we 're talking about here are more  you know , we mentioned maybe  if they talk about  um , I don't know , entering or som you know like they might be more task - based.

So I  I don't know if there  There 's obviously some  m more than one way of organizing  the variables into something


So by the way tha that structure  that Robert drew on the board was like more um ,   cue - type - based , right , here 's like we 're gonna  segment off a bit of stuff that comes from discourse and then  some of the things we 're talking about here are more  you know , we mentioned maybe  if they talk about  um , I don't know , entering or som you know like they might be more task - based.

So I  I don't know if there  There 's obviously some  m more than one way of organizing  the variables into something

I think that um  What you guys did is really nicely sketching out different tasks , and maybe some of their conditions.


So I  I don't know if there  There 's obviously some  m more than one way of organizing  the variables into something

I think that um  What you guys did is really nicely sketching out different tasks , and maybe some of their conditions.


So I  I don't know if there  There 's obviously some  m more than one way of organizing  the variables into something

I think that um  What you guys did is really nicely sketching out different tasks , and maybe some of their conditions.

One task is more likely you 're in a hurry when you do that kind of s doing business ,


I think that um  What you guys did is really nicely sketching out different tasks , and maybe some of their conditions.

One task is more likely you 're in a hurry when you do that kind of s doing business ,


One task is more likely you 're in a hurry when you do that kind of s doing business ,

and  and less in a hurry when uh  you 're a tourist Um   tourists may have  never have final destinations , you know because they are eternally traveling around so  maybe what  what  what happened  what might happen is that we do get this sort of task - based middle layer ,


and  and less in a hurry when uh  you 're a tourist Um   tourists may have  never have final destinations , you know because they are eternally traveling around so  maybe what  what  what happened  what might happen is that we do get this sort of task - based middle layer ,

and then we 'll get these sub - middle layers , that are more cue - based.


and then we 'll get these sub - middle layers , that are more cue - based.


Might be  might be a nice dichotomy of  of the world. So , um I suggest w to  for  to proceed with this in  in the sense that  maybe throughout this week the three of us will  will talk some more about maybe segmenting off different regions , and we make up some   some toy a observable " nodes "  is that what th


For the uh  nodes that are observable ? The " outer layer " ?


Feature ma make up some features for those  Identify  four regions ,


Feature ma make up some features for those  Identify  four regions ,

maybe make up some features for each region and uh   and uh , uh  and uh  middle layer for those. And then these should then connect somehow to the more plan - based deep space


maybe make up some features for each region and uh   and uh , uh  and uh  middle layer for those. And then these should then connect somehow to the more plan - based deep space

Basically just refine  some of the more general nodes.


maybe make up some features for each region and uh   and uh , uh  and uh  middle layer for those. And then these should then connect somehow to the more plan - based deep space

Basically just refine  some of the more general nodes.

Yep. The - they  they will be aud ad - hoc for  for  for some time to come.


Basically just refine  some of the more general nodes.

Yep. The - they  they will be aud ad - hoc for  for  for some time to come.

Yeah , this is totally like  The probabilities and all are completely ad - hoc. We need to look at all of them. I mean but , they 're even like   I mean like , close to the end we were like , uh , you know we were like uh  really ad - hoc.


Basically just refine  some of the more general nodes.

Yep. The - they  they will be aud ad - hoc for  for  for some time to come.

Yeah , this is totally like  The probabilities and all are completely ad - hoc. We need to look at all of them. I mean but , they 're even like   I mean like , close to the end we were like , uh , you know we were like uh  really ad - hoc.

It 's a even distribution. Like , whatever.


Yep. The - they  they will be aud ad - hoc for  for  for some time to come.

Yeah , this is totally like  The probabilities and all are completely ad - hoc. We need to look at all of them. I mean but , they 're even like   I mean like , close to the end we were like , uh , you know we were like uh  really ad - hoc.

It 's a even distribution. Like , whatever.

Right ? Cuz if it 's like , uh  If it 's four things coming in , right ? And , say , some of them have like three possibilities and all that. So you 're thinking like  like a hundred and forty four or something  possible things  numbers to enter ,


Yeah , this is totally like  The probabilities and all are completely ad - hoc. We need to look at all of them. I mean but , they 're even like   I mean like , close to the end we were like , uh , you know we were like uh  really ad - hoc.

It 's a even distribution. Like , whatever.

Right ? Cuz if it 's like , uh  If it 's four things coming in , right ? And , say , some of them have like three possibilities and all that. So you 're thinking like  like a hundred and forty four or something  possible things  numbers to enter ,


It 's a even distribution. Like , whatever.

Right ? Cuz if it 's like , uh  If it 's four things coming in , right ? And , say , some of them have like three possibilities and all that. So you 're thinking like  like a hundred and forty four or something  possible things  numbers to enter ,


Right ? Cuz if it 's like , uh  If it 's four things coming in , right ? And , say , some of them have like three possibilities and all that. So you 're thinking like  like a hundred and forty four or something  possible things  numbers to enter ,

Some of them are completely absurd too , like   they want to enter , but it 's closed ,


Some of them are completely absurd too , like   they want to enter , but it 's closed ,


Some of them are completely absurd too , like   they want to enter , but it 's closed ,

it 's night time , you know there are tourists and all this weird stuff happens at the line up and you 're like


Some of them are completely absurd too , like   they want to enter , but it 's closed ,

it 's night time , you know there are tourists and all this weird stuff happens at the line up and you 're like

Yeah , the only like possible interpretation is that they are like  come here just to rob the museum or  something to that effect.


it 's night time , you know there are tourists and all this weird stuff happens at the line up and you 're like

Yeah , the only like possible interpretation is that they are like  come here just to rob the museum or  something to that effect.


it 's night time , you know there are tourists and all this weird stuff happens at the line up and you 're like

Yeah , the only like possible interpretation is that they are like  come here just to rob the museum or  something to that effect.

In which case you 're supposed to alert the authorities ,  and see appropriate action.


Yeah , the only like possible interpretation is that they are like  come here just to rob the museum or  something to that effect.

In which case you 're supposed to alert the authorities ,  and see appropriate action.


In which case you 're supposed to alert the authorities ,  and see appropriate action.

Yeah. Yeah , another thing to do , um , is also to , um  I guess to ask around people about other Bayes - net packages. Is Srini gonna be  at the meeting tomorrow , do you know ?


Yeah. Yeah , another thing to do , um , is also to , um  I guess to ask around people about other Bayes - net packages. Is Srini gonna be  at the meeting tomorrow , do you know ?


I haven't  J Jerry never sent out a  sent out an email , did he , ever ?


I haven't  J Jerry never sent out a  sent out an email , did he , ever ?

No. But he mentioned at the last meeting that someone was going to be talking , I forget who.


No. But he mentioned at the last meeting that someone was going to be talking , I forget who.


yeah , um , giving his job talk I think. um , Sorry. I was just reading the screen.


So the uh  That will be one  one thing we could do. I actually uh , have  Um , also we can uh , start looking at the SmartKom tables and I will


So the uh  That will be one  one thing we could do. I actually uh , have  Um , also we can uh , start looking at the SmartKom tables and I will

I actually wanted to show that  to you guys now but um.


I actually wanted to show that  to you guys now but um.

Um , no I  I actually made a mistake because it  it fell asleep and when Linux falls asleep on my machine it 's  it doesn't wake up ever , so I had to reboot


Um , no I  I actually made a mistake because it  it fell asleep and when Linux falls asleep on my machine it 's  it doesn't wake up ever , so I had to reboot

And if I reboot without a network , I will not be able to start SmartKom , because I need to have a network.


And if I reboot without a network , I will not be able to start SmartKom , because I need to have a network.


And if I reboot without a network , I will not be able to start SmartKom , because I need to have a network.

But. OK. But once you start  sart start SmartKom you can be on  You don't have to be on a network anymore. Is that the deal ?


But. OK. But once you start  sart start SmartKom you can be on  You don't have to be on a network anymore. Is that the deal ?


Um   it looks up some stuff that ,  you know , is  is that  is in the  written by the operating system only if it  if you get a DHCP request , so it  you know , my computer does not know its IP address , you know ?


Um   it looks up some stuff that ,  you know , is  is that  is in the  written by the operating system only if it  if you get a DHCP request , so it  you know , my computer does not know its IP address , you know ?

You know. So. Unless it boots up with networking.


You know. So. Unless it boots up with networking.

And I don't have an IP address , they can't look up  they don't know who localhost is , and so forth and so forth.


And I don't have an IP address , they can't look up  they don't know who localhost is , and so forth and so forth.

Always fun. But it 's a , um , simple solution. We can just um , go downstairs and  and  and look at this , but maybe not today. The other thing um  I will  oh yeah , OK , I have to report  um , data collection. We interviewed Fey ,


Always fun. But it 's a , um , simple solution. We can just um , go downstairs and  and  and look at this , but maybe not today. The other thing um  I will  oh yeah , OK , I have to report  um , data collection. We interviewed Fey ,

She 's willing to do it , meaning be the wizard for the data collection , also  maybe transcribe a little bit , if she has to , but also recruiting subjects , organizing them , and so forth. So that looks good. Jerry however suggested that we should uh have a trial run with her , see whether she can actually do all the uh spontaneous , eloquent and creativeness that we uh expect of the wizard. And I talked to Liz about this and it looks as if Friday afternoon will be the time when we have a first trial run for the data.


Always fun. But it 's a , um , simple solution. We can just um , go downstairs and  and  and look at this , but maybe not today. The other thing um  I will  oh yeah , OK , I have to report  um , data collection. We interviewed Fey ,

She 's willing to do it , meaning be the wizard for the data collection , also  maybe transcribe a little bit , if she has to , but also recruiting subjects , organizing them , and so forth. So that looks good. Jerry however suggested that we should uh have a trial run with her , see whether she can actually do all the uh spontaneous , eloquent and creativeness that we uh expect of the wizard. And I talked to Liz about this and it looks as if Friday afternoon will be the time when we have a first trial run for the data.

So who would be the subject  of this trial run ?


She 's willing to do it , meaning be the wizard for the data collection , also  maybe transcribe a little bit , if she has to , but also recruiting subjects , organizing them , and so forth. So that looks good. Jerry however suggested that we should uh have a trial run with her , see whether she can actually do all the uh spontaneous , eloquent and creativeness that we uh expect of the wizard. And I talked to Liz about this and it looks as if Friday afternoon will be the time when we have a first trial run for the data.

So who would be the subject  of this trial run ?


She 's willing to do it , meaning be the wizard for the data collection , also  maybe transcribe a little bit , if she has to , but also recruiting subjects , organizing them , and so forth. So that looks good. Jerry however suggested that we should uh have a trial run with her , see whether she can actually do all the uh spontaneous , eloquent and creativeness that we uh expect of the wizard. And I talked to Liz about this and it looks as if Friday afternoon will be the time when we have a first trial run for the data.

So who would be the subject  of this trial run ?

Who  Will there be a  Is one  Is you  one of you gonna be the subject ? Like are you


So who would be the subject  of this trial run ?

Who  Will there be a  Is one  Is you  one of you gonna be the subject ? Like are you

Um Liz also volunteered to be the first subject ,  which I think might be even better than us guys.


Who  Will there be a  Is one  Is you  one of you gonna be the subject ? Like are you

Um Liz also volunteered to be the first subject ,  which I think might be even better than us guys.


Um Liz also volunteered to be the first subject ,  which I think might be even better than us guys.

If we do need her for the technical stuff , then of course one of you has to sort of uh  jump in.


If we do need her for the technical stuff , then of course one of you has to sort of uh  jump in.

I like how we 've  you guys have successfully narrowed it down. " Is one of you going to be the subject ? " Is one of you  jump in.


If we do need her for the technical stuff , then of course one of you has to sort of uh  jump in.

I like how we 've  you guys have successfully narrowed it down. " Is one of you going to be the subject ? " Is one of you  jump in.

Well I just figured it has to be someone who 's , um , familiar enough with the data to cause problems for the wizard , so we can , uh , see if they 're you know good.


I like how we 've  you guys have successfully narrowed it down. " Is one of you going to be the subject ? " Is one of you  jump in.

Well I just figured it has to be someone who 's , um , familiar enough with the data to cause problems for the wizard , so we can , uh , see if they 're you know good.

Oh plants ? e u someone who can plant difficult things.


Well I just figured it has to be someone who 's , um , familiar enough with the data to cause problems for the wizard , so we can , uh , see if they 're you know good.

Oh plants ? e u someone who can plant difficult things.

Yeah. I mean that 's what we wanna  check , right ?


Oh plants ? e u someone who can plant difficult things.

Yeah. I mean that 's what we wanna  check , right ?

Well , in this case it 's a p it 's a  sort of testing of the wizard rather than of the subject.


Yeah. I mean that 's what we wanna  check , right ?

Well , in this case it 's a p it 's a  sort of testing of the wizard rather than of the subject.


Well , in this case it 's a p it 's a  sort of testing of the wizard rather than of the subject.


Well , in this case it 's a p it 's a  sort of testing of the wizard rather than of the subject.

yes w we  we would like to test the wizard , but  you know , if we take a subject that is completely unfamiliar with the task , or any of the set up , we get a more realistic


yes w we  we would like to test the wizard , but  you know , if we take a subject that is completely unfamiliar with the task , or any of the set up , we get a more realistic


Yeah. I know. That 's probably a good enough test of


Yeah. I know. That 's probably a good enough test of

Sort of having an actively antagonistic , uh


Sort of having an actively antagonistic , uh

Yeah. That might be a little unfair. Um.


Sort of having an actively antagonistic , uh

Yeah. That might be a little unfair. Um.

I 'm sure if we uh ,  You think there 's a chance we might need Liz for , whatever , the technical side of things ? I 'm sure we can get  other people around who don't know anything  um , if we want another subject.


Yeah. That might be a little unfair. Um.

I 'm sure if we uh ,  You think there 's a chance we might need Liz for , whatever , the technical side of things ? I 'm sure we can get  other people around who don't know anything  um , if we want another subject.


I 'm sure if we uh ,  You think there 's a chance we might need Liz for , whatever , the technical side of things ? I 'm sure we can get  other people around who don't know anything  um , if we want another subject.

You know. Like I can drag Ben into it or something. Although he might cause problems but. So , is it a experimental setup for the um , data collection  totally  ready  determined ?


I 'm sure if we uh ,  You think there 's a chance we might need Liz for , whatever , the technical side of things ? I 'm sure we can get  other people around who don't know anything  um , if we want another subject.

You know. Like I can drag Ben into it or something. Although he might cause problems but. So , is it a experimental setup for the um , data collection  totally  ready  determined ?

I like that. " Test the wizard. " I want that on a T - shirt.


You know. Like I can drag Ben into it or something. Although he might cause problems but. So , is it a experimental setup for the um , data collection  totally  ready  determined ?

I like that. " Test the wizard. " I want that on a T - shirt.

Um  I think it 's  it 's  it 's  I mean  experimental setup u on the technical issue yes , except we st I think we still need uh  a recording device for the wizard , just a tape recorder that 's running in a room.


I like that. " Test the wizard. " I want that on a T - shirt.

Um  I think it 's  it 's  it 's  I mean  experimental setup u on the technical issue yes , except we st I think we still need uh  a recording device for the wizard , just a tape recorder that 's running in a room.

But um  in terms of specifying the scenario ,  um  uh  uh  we 've gotten a little further


Um  I think it 's  it 's  it 's  I mean  experimental setup u on the technical issue yes , except we st I think we still need uh  a recording device for the wizard , just a tape recorder that 's running in a room.

But um  in terms of specifying the scenario ,  um  uh  uh  we 've gotten a little further


But um  in terms of specifying the scenario ,  um  uh  uh  we 've gotten a little further

but um  we wanted to wait until we know who is the wizard , and have the wizard partake in the  ultimate  sort of definition probe. So  so if  if on Friday it turns out that she really likes it and  and we really like her , then nothing should stop us from sitting down next week and   getting all the details completely figured out.


but um  we wanted to wait until we know who is the wizard , and have the wizard partake in the  ultimate  sort of definition probe. So  so if  if on Friday it turns out that she really likes it and  and we really like her , then nothing should stop us from sitting down next week and   getting all the details completely figured out.


but um  we wanted to wait until we know who is the wizard , and have the wizard partake in the  ultimate  sort of definition probe. So  so if  if on Friday it turns out that she really likes it and  and we really like her , then nothing should stop us from sitting down next week and   getting all the details completely figured out.

OK. So the ideal task um ,  will have  whatever I don't know how much the structure of the evolving Bayes - net   will af affect  Like we wanna  we wanna be able to collect  as much of the variables that are needed for that ,


OK. So the ideal task um ,  will have  whatever I don't know how much the structure of the evolving Bayes - net   will af affect  Like we wanna  we wanna be able to collect  as much of the variables that are needed for that ,


OK. So the ideal task um ,  will have  whatever I don't know how much the structure of the evolving Bayes - net   will af affect  Like we wanna  we wanna be able to collect  as much of the variables that are needed for that ,

right ? in the course of the task ? Well not all of them but you know.


OK. So the ideal task um ,  will have  whatever I don't know how much the structure of the evolving Bayes - net   will af affect  Like we wanna  we wanna be able to collect  as much of the variables that are needed for that ,

right ? in the course of the task ? Well not all of them but you know.

Bu - e e e I 'm even  This  this Tango , Enter , Vista is sort of , itself , an ad - hoc scenario.


right ? in the course of the task ? Well not all of them but you know.

Bu - e e e I 'm even  This  this Tango , Enter , Vista is sort of , itself , an ad - hoc scenario.


right ? in the course of the task ? Well not all of them but you know.

Bu - e e e I 'm even  This  this Tango , Enter , Vista is sort of , itself , an ad - hoc scenario.

The  the basic u um idea behind the uh  data collection was the following. The data we get from Munich is  very command line , simple linguistic stuff.


Bu - e e e I 'm even  This  this Tango , Enter , Vista is sort of , itself , an ad - hoc scenario.

The  the basic u um idea behind the uh  data collection was the following. The data we get from Munich is  very command line , simple linguistic stuff.


The  the basic u um idea behind the uh  data collection was the following. The data we get from Munich is  very command line , simple linguistic stuff.

Hardly anything complicated. No metaphors whatsoever.


Hardly anything complicated. No metaphors whatsoever.

Not a rich language. So we wanted just to collect data , to get  that  that  that  elicits more , uh , that elicits richer language.


Not a rich language. So we wanted just to collect data , to get  that  that  that  elicits more , uh , that elicits richer language.

And we actually did not want to constrain it too much ,


And we actually did not want to constrain it too much ,

you know ? Just see what people say. And then maybe we 'll discover the phenomenon  the phenomena that we want to solve , you know , with  whatever engine we  we come up with. Um. So this  this  this is a parallel track , you know , there  they hopefully meet ,


And we actually did not want to constrain it too much ,

you know ? Just see what people say. And then maybe we 'll discover the phenomenon  the phenomena that we want to solve , you know , with  whatever engine we  we come up with. Um. So this  this  this is a parallel track , you know , there  they hopefully meet ,

OK. So in other words this data collection is  more general.


you know ? Just see what people say. And then maybe we 'll discover the phenomenon  the phenomena that we want to solve , you know , with  whatever engine we  we come up with. Um. So this  this  this is a parallel track , you know , there  they hopefully meet ,

OK. So in other words this data collection is  more general.


you know ? Just see what people say. And then maybe we 'll discover the phenomenon  the phenomena that we want to solve , you know , with  whatever engine we  we come up with. Um. So this  this  this is a parallel track , you know , there  they hopefully meet ,

OK. So in other words this data collection is  more general.

It could  it could  be used for not just this task.


OK. So in other words this data collection is  more general.

It could  it could  be used for not just this task.

It should tell us , you know , what kind of phenomenon could occur , it should tell us also maybe something about the difference between people who think they speak to a computer versus people who think they speak to a human being


It could  it could  be used for not just this task.

It should tell us , you know , what kind of phenomenon could occur , it should tell us also maybe something about the difference between people who think they speak to a computer versus people who think they speak to a human being


It could  it could  be used for not just this task.

It should tell us , you know , what kind of phenomenon could occur , it should tell us also maybe something about the difference between people who think they speak to a computer versus people who think they speak to a human being

and the sort of differences there. So it may get us some more information on the human - machine pragmatics , um , that no one knows anything about , as of yesterday. And uh   nothing has changed  since then , so. Uh. And secondly , now that of course we have sort of started to lick blood with this , and especially since um   Johno can't stop Tango - ing ,  we may actually include , you know , those  those intentions. So now I think we should maybe have at least one navigational task with  with sort of explicit  uh


It should tell us , you know , what kind of phenomenon could occur , it should tell us also maybe something about the difference between people who think they speak to a computer versus people who think they speak to a human being

and the sort of differences there. So it may get us some more information on the human - machine pragmatics , um , that no one knows anything about , as of yesterday. And uh   nothing has changed  since then , so. Uh. And secondly , now that of course we have sort of started to lick blood with this , and especially since um   Johno can't stop Tango - ing ,  we may actually include , you know , those  those intentions. So now I think we should maybe have at least one navigational task with  with sort of explicit  uh


and the sort of differences there. So it may get us some more information on the human - machine pragmatics , um , that no one knows anything about , as of yesterday. And uh   nothing has changed  since then , so. Uh. And secondly , now that of course we have sort of started to lick blood with this , and especially since um   Johno can't stop Tango - ing ,  we may actually include , you know , those  those intentions. So now I think we should maybe have at least one navigational task with  with sort of explicit  uh

not ex it 's implicit that the person wants to enter ,


not ex it 's implicit that the person wants to enter ,

and maybe some task where it 's more or less explicit that the person wants to take a picture ,


and maybe some task where it 's more or less explicit that the person wants to take a picture ,

or see it or something. So that we can label it. I mean , that 's how we get a corpus that we can label.


or see it or something. So that we can label it. I mean , that 's how we get a corpus that we can label.

Whereas , you know , if we 'd just get data we 'd never know what they actually wanted , we 'd get no cues. Yep.


Whereas , you know , if we 'd just get data we 'd never know what they actually wanted , we 'd get no cues. Yep.


So is this the official end of the meeting now ?


So is this the official end of the meeting now ?

So what 's " Economics , the fallacy " ?


So what 's " Economics , the fallacy " ?


So what 's " Economics , the fallacy " ?

I just randomly  label things. So that has nothing to do with economics or anything.


I just randomly  label things. So that has nothing to do with economics or anything.

Maybe we ought to switch off these things before we continue.


Maybe we ought to switch off these things before we continue.


That's the same as uh on the top of it uh with the the round uh button.

But uh we don't uh we don't uh  we do think it's um well  what if with ease of use , w which prefers the  which the the customer of the user prefers.


But uh we don't uh we don't uh  we do think it's um well  what if with ease of use , w which prefers the  which the the customer of the user prefers.

It's important. Uh I think th this is device which which has a learning curve. Um novice users u use this device as uh normal users use uh a c a remote control. And after a while they start to develop uh some skills in the the voice recognition functions , and then they will not use this dial as often. But other users who are new to this device need something like that.


But uh we don't uh we don't uh  we do think it's um well  what if with ease of use , w which prefers the  which the the customer of the user prefers.

It's important. Uh I think th this is device which which has a learning curve. Um novice users u use this device as uh normal users use uh a c a remote control. And after a while they start to develop uh some skills in the the voice recognition functions , and then they will not use this dial as often. But other users who are new to this device need something like that.

They n they need to understand what  uh how to change channels and uh change the volume , so it's easier for them


It's important. Uh I think th this is device which which has a learning curve. Um novice users u use this device as uh normal users use uh a c a remote control. And after a while they start to develop uh some skills in the the voice recognition functions , and then they will not use this dial as often. But other users who are new to this device need something like that.

They n they need to understand what  uh how to change channels and uh change the volume , so it's easier for them

Could could I see the scroll bar as uh as as a sort of shortcut ? A a and the voice recognition as well ,


They n they need to understand what  uh how to change channels and uh change the volume , so it's easier for them

Could could I see the scroll bar as uh as as a sort of shortcut ? A a and the voice recognition as well ,


Could could I see the scroll bar as uh as as a sort of shortcut ? A a and the voice recognition as well ,

Well , it's it's it's another approach , it's more that our um .  There are there are many ways of doing uh things uh on such a device.


Well , it's it's it's another approach , it's more that our um .  There are there are many ways of doing uh things uh on such a device.


Well , it's it's it's another approach , it's more that our um .  There are there are many ways of doing uh things uh on such a device.

Okay. Okay , good. And and the case is is rubber ?


Okay. Okay , good. And and the case is is rubber ?


grey or black or something like that. Whatever cost uh cost uh the least.


No.  Uh maybe we should uh think about these buttons.


No.  Uh maybe we should uh think about these buttons.

Well , you could use two of them to programme the um channels on the two channel button ,


Well , you could use two of them to programme the um channels on the two channel button ,


Well , you could use two of them to programme the um channels on the two channel button ,

'cause you have to assign two channel  new channels.


Well , you could use two of them to programme the um channels on the two channel button ,

'cause you have to assign two channel  new channels.

but these are tasks that are only executed once , I think.


'cause you have to assign two channel  new channels.

but these are tasks that are only executed once , I think.


but these are tasks that are only executed once , I think.

M m but maybe you do want a programme button to uh for example activate the voice recognition , or train the voice voice recognition.


M m but maybe you do want a programme button to uh for example activate the voice recognition , or train the voice voice recognition.


M m but maybe you do want a programme button to uh for example activate the voice recognition , or train the voice voice recognition.

Well okay. Okay , yeah , that's right. Or something li like that.


M m but maybe you do want a programme button to uh for example activate the voice recognition , or train the voice voice recognition.

Well okay. Okay , yeah , that's right. Or something li like that.

And a button for disabling the voice recognition.


Well okay. Okay , yeah , that's right. Or something li like that.

And a button for disabling the voice recognition.

Yeah al although by pressing the button for I n don't know two , three seconds , you could also say it  you'd disable it with a little beep and and


And a button for disabling the voice recognition.

Yeah al although by pressing the button for I n don't know two , three seconds , you could also say it  you'd disable it with a little beep and and


Yeah al although by pressing the button for I n don't know two , three seconds , you could also say it  you'd disable it with a little beep and and

but o okay , that that's not really really important.