So  uh , it  I don't care that you know , there 's actually abutting segments that we have to join together. That 's fine.

But what we do care about is that  the beginnings and ends um  are actually close to the speech  inside of that


So  uh , it  I don't care that you know , there 's actually abutting segments that we have to join together. That 's fine.

But what we do care about is that  the beginnings and ends um  are actually close to the speech  inside of that

Yeah , I think Jane tightened these up by hand.


But what we do care about is that  the beginnings and ends um  are actually close to the speech  inside of that

Yeah , I think Jane tightened these up by hand.


Yeah , I think Jane tightened these up by hand.


OK , so what is the  sort of how tight are they ?


OK , so what is the  sort of how tight are they ?

They were , um , reasonably tight , but not excruciatingly tight.


They were , um , reasonably tight , but not excruciatingly tight.


They were , um , reasonably tight , but not excruciatingly tight.

That would 've taken more time. I just wanted to get it so tha So that if you have like " yeah "  in a  swimming in a big bin , then it 's


That would 've taken more time. I just wanted to get it so tha So that if you have like " yeah "  in a  swimming in a big bin , then it 's


I  it 's f That 's fine because we don't want to  th that 's perfectly fine. In fact it 's good. You always want to have a little bit of pause or nonspeech around the speech , say for recognition purposes. Uh , but just  just u w you know get an id I just wanted to have an idea of the   of how much extra you allowed um  so that I can interpret the numbers if I compared that with a forced alignment segmentation.


I  it 's f That 's fine because we don't want to  th that 's perfectly fine. In fact it 's good. You always want to have a little bit of pause or nonspeech around the speech , say for recognition purposes. Uh , but just  just u w you know get an id I just wanted to have an idea of the   of how much extra you allowed um  so that I can interpret the numbers if I compared that with a forced alignment segmentation.

but  but my main goal was  um , in these areas where you have a three - way overlap  and one of the overlaps involves " yeah " ,  and it 's swimming in this huge bin ,  I wanted to get it so that it was clo more closely localized.


but  but my main goal was  um , in these areas where you have a three - way overlap  and one of the overlaps involves " yeah " ,  and it 's swimming in this huge bin ,  I wanted to get it so that it was clo more closely localized.

Mm - hmm. Mm - hmm. Right. But are we talking about , I don't know ,  a   tenth of a second ? a  ? You know ? How  how much  how much extra would you allow at most


but  but my main goal was  um , in these areas where you have a three - way overlap  and one of the overlaps involves " yeah " ,  and it 's swimming in this huge bin ,  I wanted to get it so that it was clo more closely localized.

Mm - hmm. Mm - hmm. Right. But are we talking about , I don't know ,  a   tenth of a second ? a  ? You know ? How  how much  how much extra would you allow at most

I  I wanted to  I wanted it to be able to  l he be heard normally ,


Mm - hmm. Mm - hmm. Right. But are we talking about , I don't know ,  a   tenth of a second ? a  ? You know ? How  how much  how much extra would you allow at most

I  I wanted to  I wanted it to be able to  l he be heard normally ,

so that if you  if you play  back that bin and have it in the mode where it stops at the boundary ,  it sounds like a normal word.


I  I wanted to  I wanted it to be able to  l he be heard normally ,

so that if you  if you play  back that bin and have it in the mode where it stops at the boundary ,  it sounds like a normal word.


so that if you  if you play  back that bin and have it in the mode where it stops at the boundary ,  it sounds like a normal word.

It doesn't sound like the person  i it sounds normal. It 's as if the person could 've stopped there.


It doesn't sound like the person  i it sounds normal. It 's as if the person could 've stopped there.

And it wouldn't have been an awkward place to stop.


And it wouldn't have been an awkward place to stop.

Now sometimes you know , it 's  these are involved in places where there was no time. And so ,   there wouldn't be  a gap afterwards because


Now sometimes you know , it 's  these are involved in places where there was no time. And so ,   there wouldn't be  a gap afterwards because

I mean some cases , there 're some people  um , who  who have very long  segments of discourse where ,  you know , they 'll  they 'll breath  and then I put a break.


I mean some cases , there 're some people  um , who  who have very long  segments of discourse where ,  you know , they 'll  they 'll breath  and then I put a break.

But other than that , it 's really pretty continuous and this includes things like going from one sentence into the  u one utterance into the next , one sentence into the next , um , w without really stopping. I mean  i they , i you know in writing you have this  two spaces and a big gap


But other than that , it 's really pretty continuous and this includes things like going from one sentence into the  u one utterance into the next , one sentence into the next , um , w without really stopping. I mean  i they , i you know in writing you have this  two spaces and a big gap


But  but uh   i some people are planning and , you know , I mean , a lot  we always are planning  what we 're going to say next.


But  but uh   i some people are planning and , you know , I mean , a lot  we always are planning  what we 're going to say next.

But uh , in which case , the gap between  these two complete syntactic units ,  um , which of course n spoken things are not always complete syntactically , but   but it would be a shorter p shorter break  than  maybe you might like.


But uh , in which case , the gap between  these two complete syntactic units ,  um , which of course n spoken things are not always complete syntactically , but   but it would be a shorter p shorter break  than  maybe you might like.

But the goal there was to  not have  the text be so  so crudely  parsed in a time bin. I mean , because  from a discourse m purpose  it 's   it 's more   it 's more useful to be able to see  and also you know , from a speech recognition purpose my impression is that  if you have too long a unit , it 's  it doesn't help you very much either , cuz of the memory.


But the goal there was to  not have  the text be so  so crudely  parsed in a time bin. I mean , because  from a discourse m purpose  it 's   it 's more   it 's more useful to be able to see  and also you know , from a speech recognition purpose my impression is that  if you have too long a unit , it 's  it doesn't help you very much either , cuz of the memory.

So , that means that  the amount of time after something is variable depending partly on context , but my general goal  when there was  sufficient space , room , pause  after it  to have it be  kind of a natural feeling  gap.


So , that means that  the amount of time after something is variable depending partly on context , but my general goal  when there was  sufficient space , room , pause  after it  to have it be  kind of a natural feeling  gap.

Which I c I don't know what it would be quantified as. You know , Wally Chafe says that  um ,  in producing narratives , the spurts that people use  tend to be ,  uh , that the  the  what would be a pause might be something like two  two seconds.


Which I c I don't know what it would be quantified as. You know , Wally Chafe says that  um ,  in producing narratives , the spurts that people use  tend to be ,  uh , that the  the  what would be a pause might be something like two  two seconds.

And um , that would be , you know one speaker. The discourse   the people who look at turn taking often do use


And um , that would be , you know one speaker. The discourse   the people who look at turn taking often do use

I was interested that you chose uh ,  you know um ,  the  you know that you use cuz I think that 's a unit that would be more consistent with sociolinguistics. Yeah.


And um , that would be , you know one speaker. The discourse   the people who look at turn taking often do use

I was interested that you chose uh ,  you know um ,  the  you know that you use cuz I think that 's a unit that would be more consistent with sociolinguistics. Yeah.

Well we chose um , you know , half a second because  if  if you go much larger , you have a  y you know , your  your statement about how much overlap there is becomes less ,  um , precise ,


I was interested that you chose uh ,  you know um ,  the  you know that you use cuz I think that 's a unit that would be more consistent with sociolinguistics. Yeah.

Well we chose um , you know , half a second because  if  if you go much larger , you have a  y you know , your  your statement about how much overlap there is becomes less ,  um , precise ,


I was interested that you chose uh ,  you know um ,  the  you know that you use cuz I think that 's a unit that would be more consistent with sociolinguistics. Yeah.

Well we chose um , you know , half a second because  if  if you go much larger , you have a  y you know , your  your statement about how much overlap there is becomes less ,  um , precise ,

because you include more of actual pause time into what you consider overlap speech. Um , so , it 's sort of a compromise ,


Well we chose um , you know , half a second because  if  if you go much larger , you have a  y you know , your  your statement about how much overlap there is becomes less ,  um , precise ,

because you include more of actual pause time into what you consider overlap speech. Um , so , it 's sort of a compromise ,

Yeah.    Yeah , I also used I think something around zero point five seconds for the speech - nonspeech detector


because you include more of actual pause time into what you consider overlap speech. Um , so , it 's sort of a compromise ,

Yeah.    Yeah , I also used I think something around zero point five seconds for the speech - nonspeech detector

and   it 's also based  I mean Liz suggested that value based on  the distribution of pause times that you see in Switchboard and  and other corpora.


Yeah.    Yeah , I also used I think something around zero point five seconds for the speech - nonspeech detector

and   it 's also based  I mean Liz suggested that value based on  the distribution of pause times that you see in Switchboard and  and other corpora.


and   it 's also based  I mean Liz suggested that value based on  the distribution of pause times that you see in Switchboard and  and other corpora.


In any case , this  this uh , meeting  that I hand  I  I hand - adjusted two of them I mentioned before ,


So  so at some point we will try to fine - tune our forced alignment


So  so at some point we will try to fine - tune our forced alignment

maybe using those as references because you know , what you would do is you would play with different parameters. And to get an object You need an objective  measure of how closely you can align the models to the actual speech. And that 's where your your data would be  very important to have. So , I will  Um


So  so at some point we will try to fine - tune our forced alignment

maybe using those as references because you know , what you would do is you would play with different parameters. And to get an object You need an objective  measure of how closely you can align the models to the actual speech. And that 's where your your data would be  very important to have. So , I will  Um

Yeah and hopefully the new meetings  which will start from the channelized version will  will have better time boundaries  and alignments.


maybe using those as references because you know , what you would do is you would play with different parameters. And to get an object You need an objective  measure of how closely you can align the models to the actual speech. And that 's where your your data would be  very important to have. So , I will  Um

Yeah and hopefully the new meetings  which will start from the channelized version will  will have better time boundaries  and alignments.


maybe using those as references because you know , what you would do is you would play with different parameters. And to get an object You need an objective  measure of how closely you can align the models to the actual speech. And that 's where your your data would be  very important to have. So , I will  Um

Yeah and hopefully the new meetings  which will start from the channelized version will  will have better time boundaries  and alignments.

But I like this idea of  uh , for our purposes for the  for the IBM preparation ,  uh , n having these  joined together ,


Yeah and hopefully the new meetings  which will start from the channelized version will  will have better time boundaries  and alignments.

But I like this idea of  uh , for our purposes for the  for the IBM preparation ,  uh , n having these  joined together ,


But I like this idea of  uh , for our purposes for the  for the IBM preparation ,  uh , n having these  joined together ,

and uh  It makes a lot of sense. And in terms of transcription , it would be easy to do it that way.


and uh  It makes a lot of sense. And in terms of transcription , it would be easy to do it that way.

The way that they have with the longer units ,


The way that they have with the longer units ,

not having to fuss with adding these units at this time.


The way that they have with the longer units ,

not having to fuss with adding these units at this time.

Yeah. Whi - which could have one drawback. If there is uh a backchannel in between those three things ,


not having to fuss with adding these units at this time.

Yeah. Whi - which could have one drawback. If there is uh a backchannel in between those three things ,


Yeah. Whi - which could have one drawback. If there is uh a backchannel in between those three things ,

the  the n the backchannel will  will occur at the end of  of those three.


the  the n the backchannel will  will occur at the end of  of those three.


the  the n the backchannel will  will occur at the end of  of those three.

And  and in  in the  in the previous version where in the n which is used now ,  there , the backchannel would  would be in - between there somewhere , so.


And  and in  in the  in the previous version where in the n which is used now ,  there , the backchannel would  would be in - between there somewhere , so.


that 's  that 's right , but you know , thi this brings me to the other f stage of this which I discussed with you earlier today ,


that 's  that 's right , but you know , thi this brings me to the other f stage of this which I discussed with you earlier today ,

which is  the second stage is  um , w what to do  in terms of the transcribers adjustment of these data. I discussed this with you too. Um , the tr so the idea initially was , we would get  uh , for the new meetings , so the e EDU meetings , that  Thilo ha has now presegmented all of them for us , on a channel by channel basis. And um , so , I 've assigned  I 've  I 've assigned them to our transcribers and um , so far I 've discussed it with one , with uh  And I had a  about an hour discussion with her about this yesterday , we went through  uh EDU - one , at some extent. And it occurred to me that  um  that  basically what we have in this kind of a format is  you could consider it as a staggered mixed file , we had some discussion over the weekend a about  at  at this other meeting that we were all a at  um ,  about whether the tran the IBM transcribers should hear a single channel audio , or a mixed channel audio. And um ,  in  in a way , by  by having this  this chunk and then the backchannel  after it , it 's like a stagal staggered mixed channel. And um ,  it occurred  to me in my discussion with her yesterday that um , um , the   the  the maximal gain , it 's  from the IBM  people , may be in long stretches of connected speech. So it 's basically a whole bunch of words  which they can really do , because of the continuity within that person 's turn. So , what I 'm thinking , and it may be that not all meetings will be good for this ,  but  but what I 'm thinking is that  in the EDU meetings , they tend to be  driven by a couple of dominant speakers. And , if the chunked files focused on the dominant speakers ,  then , when  when it got s patched together when it comes back from IBM , we can add the backchannels. It seems to me  that  um , you know , the backchannels per - se wouldn't be so hard , but then there 's this question of the time  @ @  uh , marking , and whether the beeps would be  uh y y y And I 'm not exactly sure how that  how that would work with the  with the backchannels. And , so um  And certainly things that are  intrusions of multiple words ,  taken out of context and displaced in time from where they occurred ,  that would be hard. So , m my  thought is  i I 'm having this transcriber go through  the EDU - one meeting , and indicate a start time  f for each dominant speaker , endpoi end time for each dominant speaker , and the idea that  these units would be generated for the dominant speakers ,  and maybe not for the other channels.


that 's  that 's right , but you know , thi this brings me to the other f stage of this which I discussed with you earlier today ,

which is  the second stage is  um , w what to do  in terms of the transcribers adjustment of these data. I discussed this with you too. Um , the tr so the idea initially was , we would get  uh , for the new meetings , so the e EDU meetings , that  Thilo ha has now presegmented all of them for us , on a channel by channel basis. And um , so , I 've assigned  I 've  I 've assigned them to our transcribers and um , so far I 've discussed it with one , with uh  And I had a  about an hour discussion with her about this yesterday , we went through  uh EDU - one , at some extent. And it occurred to me that  um  that  basically what we have in this kind of a format is  you could consider it as a staggered mixed file , we had some discussion over the weekend a about  at  at this other meeting that we were all a at  um ,  about whether the tran the IBM transcribers should hear a single channel audio , or a mixed channel audio. And um ,  in  in a way , by  by having this  this chunk and then the backchannel  after it , it 's like a stagal staggered mixed channel. And um ,  it occurred  to me in my discussion with her yesterday that um , um , the   the  the maximal gain , it 's  from the IBM  people , may be in long stretches of connected speech. So it 's basically a whole bunch of words  which they can really do , because of the continuity within that person 's turn. So , what I 'm thinking , and it may be that not all meetings will be good for this ,  but  but what I 'm thinking is that  in the EDU meetings , they tend to be  driven by a couple of dominant speakers. And , if the chunked files focused on the dominant speakers ,  then , when  when it got s patched together when it comes back from IBM , we can add the backchannels. It seems to me  that  um , you know , the backchannels per - se wouldn't be so hard , but then there 's this question of the time  @ @  uh , marking , and whether the beeps would be  uh y y y And I 'm not exactly sure how that  how that would work with the  with the backchannels. And , so um  And certainly things that are  intrusions of multiple words ,  taken out of context and displaced in time from where they occurred ,  that would be hard. So , m my  thought is  i I 'm having this transcriber go through  the EDU - one meeting , and indicate a start time  f for each dominant speaker , endpoi end time for each dominant speaker , and the idea that  these units would be generated for the dominant speakers ,  and maybe not for the other channels.

Yeah the only , um , disadvantage of that is , then it 's hard to use an automatic method to do that. The advantage is that it 's probably faster to do that than it is to use the automated method and correct it. So.


which is  the second stage is  um , w what to do  in terms of the transcribers adjustment of these data. I discussed this with you too. Um , the tr so the idea initially was , we would get  uh , for the new meetings , so the e EDU meetings , that  Thilo ha has now presegmented all of them for us , on a channel by channel basis. And um , so , I 've assigned  I 've  I 've assigned them to our transcribers and um , so far I 've discussed it with one , with uh  And I had a  about an hour discussion with her about this yesterday , we went through  uh EDU - one , at some extent. And it occurred to me that  um  that  basically what we have in this kind of a format is  you could consider it as a staggered mixed file , we had some discussion over the weekend a about  at  at this other meeting that we were all a at  um ,  about whether the tran the IBM transcribers should hear a single channel audio , or a mixed channel audio. And um ,  in  in a way , by  by having this  this chunk and then the backchannel  after it , it 's like a stagal staggered mixed channel. And um ,  it occurred  to me in my discussion with her yesterday that um , um , the   the  the maximal gain , it 's  from the IBM  people , may be in long stretches of connected speech. So it 's basically a whole bunch of words  which they can really do , because of the continuity within that person 's turn. So , what I 'm thinking , and it may be that not all meetings will be good for this ,  but  but what I 'm thinking is that  in the EDU meetings , they tend to be  driven by a couple of dominant speakers. And , if the chunked files focused on the dominant speakers ,  then , when  when it got s patched together when it comes back from IBM , we can add the backchannels. It seems to me  that  um , you know , the backchannels per - se wouldn't be so hard , but then there 's this question of the time  @ @  uh , marking , and whether the beeps would be  uh y y y And I 'm not exactly sure how that  how that would work with the  with the backchannels. And , so um  And certainly things that are  intrusions of multiple words ,  taken out of context and displaced in time from where they occurred ,  that would be hard. So , m my  thought is  i I 'm having this transcriber go through  the EDU - one meeting , and indicate a start time  f for each dominant speaker , endpoi end time for each dominant speaker , and the idea that  these units would be generated for the dominant speakers ,  and maybe not for the other channels.

Yeah the only , um , disadvantage of that is , then it 's hard to use an automatic method to do that. The advantage is that it 's probably faster to do that than it is to use the automated method and correct it. So.


Yeah the only , um , disadvantage of that is , then it 's hard to use an automatic method to do that. The advantage is that it 's probably faster to do that than it is to use the automated method and correct it. So.

OK. I think   I  I think um , you know , the original plan was that the transcriber would adjust the t the boundaries , and all that for all the channels but ,  you know , that is so time - consuming , and since we have a bottleneck here , we want to get IBM things that are usable s as soon as possible , then this seemed to me it 'd be a way of gett to get them a flood of data , which would be useful when it comes back to us. And um


OK. I think   I  I think um , you know , the original plan was that the transcriber would adjust the t the boundaries , and all that for all the channels but ,  you know , that is so time - consuming , and since we have a bottleneck here , we want to get IBM things that are usable s as soon as possible , then this seemed to me it 'd be a way of gett to get them a flood of data , which would be useful when it comes back to us. And um


OK. I think   I  I think um , you know , the original plan was that the transcriber would adjust the t the boundaries , and all that for all the channels but ,  you know , that is so time - consuming , and since we have a bottleneck here , we want to get IBM things that are usable s as soon as possible , then this seemed to me it 'd be a way of gett to get them a flood of data , which would be useful when it comes back to us. And um

Oh also , at the same time she  when she goes through this , she 'll be  uh  If there 's anything that  was encoded as a pause , but really has something transcribable in it ,  then she 's going to  uh , make a mark  w uh , so you know , so  that  that bin would be marked as it  as double dots and she 'll just add an S. And in the other  in the other case , if it 's marked as speech ,  and really there 's nothing transcribable in it , then she 's going to put a s dash , and I 'll go through and it  and um , you know , with a    with a substitution command , get it so that it 's clear that those are the other category. I 'll just , you know , recode them. But um ,  um , the transcribable events  that um , I 'm considering in this ,  uh , continue to be  laugh , as well as speech , and cough and things like that , so I 'm not stripping out anything , just  just you know , being very lenient in what 's considered speech. Yeah ?


OK. I think   I  I think um , you know , the original plan was that the transcriber would adjust the t the boundaries , and all that for all the channels but ,  you know , that is so time - consuming , and since we have a bottleneck here , we want to get IBM things that are usable s as soon as possible , then this seemed to me it 'd be a way of gett to get them a flood of data , which would be useful when it comes back to us. And um

Oh also , at the same time she  when she goes through this , she 'll be  uh  If there 's anything that  was encoded as a pause , but really has something transcribable in it ,  then she 's going to  uh , make a mark  w uh , so you know , so  that  that bin would be marked as it  as double dots and she 'll just add an S. And in the other  in the other case , if it 's marked as speech ,  and really there 's nothing transcribable in it , then she 's going to put a s dash , and I 'll go through and it  and um , you know , with a    with a substitution command , get it so that it 's clear that those are the other category. I 'll just , you know , recode them. But um ,  um , the transcribable events  that um , I 'm considering in this ,  uh , continue to be  laugh , as well as speech , and cough and things like that , so I 'm not stripping out anything , just  just you know , being very lenient in what 's considered speech. Yeah ?

Jane ? In terms of the  this new procedure you 're suggesting ,  um , u what is the


Oh also , at the same time she  when she goes through this , she 'll be  uh  If there 's anything that  was encoded as a pause , but really has something transcribable in it ,  then she 's going to  uh , make a mark  w uh , so you know , so  that  that bin would be marked as it  as double dots and she 'll just add an S. And in the other  in the other case , if it 's marked as speech ,  and really there 's nothing transcribable in it , then she 's going to put a s dash , and I 'll go through and it  and um , you know , with a    with a substitution command , get it so that it 's clear that those are the other category. I 'll just , you know , recode them. But um ,  um , the transcribable events  that um , I 'm considering in this ,  uh , continue to be  laugh , as well as speech , and cough and things like that , so I 'm not stripping out anything , just  just you know , being very lenient in what 's considered speech. Yeah ?

Jane ? In terms of the  this new procedure you 're suggesting ,  um , u what is the


Oh also , at the same time she  when she goes through this , she 'll be  uh  If there 's anything that  was encoded as a pause , but really has something transcribable in it ,  then she 's going to  uh , make a mark  w uh , so you know , so  that  that bin would be marked as it  as double dots and she 'll just add an S. And in the other  in the other case , if it 's marked as speech ,  and really there 's nothing transcribable in it , then she 's going to put a s dash , and I 'll go through and it  and um , you know , with a    with a substitution command , get it so that it 's clear that those are the other category. I 'll just , you know , recode them. But um ,  um , the transcribable events  that um , I 'm considering in this ,  uh , continue to be  laugh , as well as speech , and cough and things like that , so I 'm not stripping out anything , just  just you know , being very lenient in what 's considered speech. Yeah ?

Jane ? In terms of the  this new procedure you 're suggesting ,  um , u what is the

So I 'm a little confused , because how do we know where to put beeps ? Is it  i d y is it


Jane ? In terms of the  this new procedure you 're suggesting ,  um , u what is the

So I 'm a little confused , because how do we know where to put beeps ? Is it  i d y is it


So I 'm a little confused , because how do we know where to put beeps ? Is it  i d y is it


So I 'm a little confused , because how do we know where to put beeps ? Is it  i d y is it

So what it  what it  what it involves is  is really a s uh ,  uh , the original pr procedure , but  only applied to  uh , a certain  strategically chosen  s aspect of the data.


So what it  what it  what it involves is  is really a s uh ,  uh , the original pr procedure , but  only applied to  uh , a certain  strategically chosen  s aspect of the data.

We pick the easy parts of the data basically ,


We pick the easy parts of the data basically ,


OK. We start with your presegmented version


OK , leave the mikes on , and just put them on the table.


You start with the presegmentation , r  yeah ?


You start with the presegmentation , r  yeah ?

Yeah. And then um ,  the transcriber ,  instead of going painstakingly through all the channels and moving the boundaries around , and deciding if it 's speech or not , but not transcribing anything. OK ? Instead of doing that , which was our original plan ,  the tra They focus on the dominant speaker


You start with the presegmentation , r  yeah ?

Yeah. And then um ,  the transcriber ,  instead of going painstakingly through all the channels and moving the boundaries around , and deciding if it 's speech or not , but not transcribing anything. OK ? Instead of doing that , which was our original plan ,  the tra They focus on the dominant speaker

Mm - hmm. They just  do that on  the main channels.


You start with the presegmentation , r  yeah ?

Yeah. And then um ,  the transcriber ,  instead of going painstakingly through all the channels and moving the boundaries around , and deciding if it 's speech or not , but not transcribing anything. OK ? Instead of doing that , which was our original plan ,  the tra They focus on the dominant speaker

Mm - hmm. They just  do that on  the main channels.

Yeah. So what they do is they identify who 's the di dominant speaker , and when the speaker starts.


Yeah. And then um ,  the transcriber ,  instead of going painstakingly through all the channels and moving the boundaries around , and deciding if it 's speech or not , but not transcribing anything. OK ? Instead of doing that , which was our original plan ,  the tra They focus on the dominant speaker

Mm - hmm. They just  do that on  the main channels.

Yeah. So what they do is they identify who 's the di dominant speaker , and when the speaker starts.


Mm - hmm. They just  do that on  the main channels.

Yeah. So what they do is they identify who 's the di dominant speaker , and when the speaker starts.


Yeah. So what they do is they identify who 's the di dominant speaker , and when the speaker starts.


So we 're  It 's based on your se presegmentation , that 's the basic  thing.


So we 're  It 's based on your se presegmentation , that 's the basic  thing.

and you just use the s the segments of the dominant speaker then ? For  for sending to  to IBM or  ?


So we 're  It 's based on your se presegmentation , that 's the basic  thing.

and you just use the s the segments of the dominant speaker then ? For  for sending to  to IBM or  ?

So , now Jane , my question is  when they 're all done adjusting the w time boundaries for the dominant speaker ,  have they then also erased the time boundaries for the other ones ?


and you just use the s the segments of the dominant speaker then ? For  for sending to  to IBM or  ?

So , now Jane , my question is  when they 're all done adjusting the w time boundaries for the dominant speaker ,  have they then also erased the time boundaries for the other ones ?


So , now Jane , my question is  when they 're all done adjusting the w time boundaries for the dominant speaker ,  have they then also erased the time boundaries for the other ones ?


That 's  that 's why she 's notating the start and end points of the dominant speakers. So , on a  you know , so  i in EDU - one , i as far as I listened to it , you start off with a  a s section by Jerry. So Jerry starts at minute so - and - so , and goes until minute so - and - so. And then Mark Paskin comes in. And he starts at  minute such - and - such , and goes on till minute so - and - so. OK. And then  meanwhile , she 's listening to   both of these guys ' channels , determining if there 're any cases of misclassification of speech as nothing , and nothing as speech ,


That 's  that 's why she 's notating the start and end points of the dominant speakers. So , on a  you know , so  i in EDU - one , i as far as I listened to it , you start off with a  a s section by Jerry. So Jerry starts at minute so - and - so , and goes until minute so - and - so. And then Mark Paskin comes in. And he starts at  minute such - and - such , and goes on till minute so - and - so. OK. And then  meanwhile , she 's listening to   both of these guys ' channels , determining if there 're any cases of misclassification of speech as nothing , and nothing as speech ,

and  a and adding a tag if that happens.


That 's  that 's why she 's notating the start and end points of the dominant speakers. So , on a  you know , so  i in EDU - one , i as far as I listened to it , you start off with a  a s section by Jerry. So Jerry starts at minute so - and - so , and goes until minute so - and - so. And then Mark Paskin comes in. And he starts at  minute such - and - such , and goes on till minute so - and - so. OK. And then  meanwhile , she 's listening to   both of these guys ' channels , determining if there 're any cases of misclassification of speech as nothing , and nothing as speech ,

and  a and adding a tag if that happens.

So she does the adjustments on those guys ?


and  a and adding a tag if that happens.

So she does the adjustments on those guys ?

But you know , I wanted to say , his segmentation is so good , that  um , the part that I listened to with her yesterday  didn't need any adjustments of the bins.


So she does the adjustments on those guys ?

But you know , I wanted to say , his segmentation is so good , that  um , the part that I listened to with her yesterday  didn't need any adjustments of the bins.


But you know , I wanted to say , his segmentation is so good , that  um , the part that I listened to with her yesterday  didn't need any adjustments of the bins.

So far we haven't. So this is not gonna be a major part of the process , at least  least not in  not on ones that  that really


So far we haven't. So this is not gonna be a major part of the process , at least  least not in  not on ones that  that really

So if you don't have to adjust the bins , why not just do what it  for all the channels ?


So far we haven't. So this is not gonna be a major part of the process , at least  least not in  not on ones that  that really

So if you don't have to adjust the bins , why not just do what it  for all the channels ?

Why not just throw all the channels to IBM ?


So if you don't have to adjust the bins , why not just do what it  for all the channels ?

Why not just throw all the channels to IBM ?

Well there 's the question o of  whether  Well , OK. She i It 's a question of how much time we want our transcriber to invest here  when she 's gonna have to invest that when it comes back from IBM anyway.


Why not just throw all the channels to IBM ?

Well there 's the question o of  whether  Well , OK. She i It 's a question of how much time we want our transcriber to invest here  when she 's gonna have to invest that when it comes back from IBM anyway.


Why not just throw all the channels to IBM ?

Well there 's the question o of  whether  Well , OK. She i It 's a question of how much time we want our transcriber to invest here  when she 's gonna have to invest that when it comes back from IBM anyway.

So if it 's only inserting " mm - hmm "s here and there , then , wouldn't that be something that would be just as efficient to do at this end , instead of having it go through I B M , then be patched together , then be double checked here.


Well there 's the question o of  whether  Well , OK. She i It 's a question of how much time we want our transcriber to invest here  when she 's gonna have to invest that when it comes back from IBM anyway.

So if it 's only inserting " mm - hmm "s here and there , then , wouldn't that be something that would be just as efficient to do at this end , instead of having it go through I B M , then be patched together , then be double checked here.


So if it 's only inserting " mm - hmm "s here and there , then , wouldn't that be something that would be just as efficient to do at this end , instead of having it go through I B M , then be patched together , then be double checked here.

Yeah. But  But then we could just use the  the output of the detector , and do the beeping on it , and send it to I B


Yeah. But  But then we could just use the  the output of the detector , and do the beeping on it , and send it to I B


I think we just  we just have to listen to it and see how good they are.


I think we just  we just have to listen to it and see how good they are.

For some meetings , I 'm  I 'm sure it  i n


For some meetings , I 'm  I 'm sure it  i n

That 's  And some  on some meetings it 's good.


That 's  And some  on some meetings it 's good.

that sounds like a good idea since as you say you have to do stuff with the other end anyway.


That 's  And some  on some meetings it 's good.

that sounds like a good idea since as you say you have to do stuff with the other end anyway.

Well yea OK , good. I mean the detector , this


that sounds like a good idea since as you say you have to do stuff with the other end anyway.

Well yea OK , good. I mean the detector , this

Yeah , I mean we have to fix it when it comes back anyhow.


Well yea OK , good. I mean the detector , this

Yeah , I mean we have to fix it when it comes back anyhow.


Well yea OK , good. I mean the detector , this

Yeah , I mean we have to fix it when it comes back anyhow.

Now , you were saying that they  they differ in how well they work depending on channel s sys systems and stuff.


Yeah , I mean we have to fix it when it comes back anyhow.

Now , you were saying that they  they differ in how well they work depending on channel s sys systems and stuff.

Yeah. So we should perhaps just select meetings on which the speech - nonspeech detection works well ,


Now , you were saying that they  they differ in how well they work depending on channel s sys systems and stuff.

Yeah. So we should perhaps just select meetings on which the speech - nonspeech detection works well ,


Now , you were saying that they  they differ in how well they work depending on channel s sys systems and stuff.

Yeah. So we should perhaps just select meetings on which the speech - nonspeech detection works well ,

and just use ,  those meetings to  to  to send to IBM and , do the other ones.


Yeah. So we should perhaps just select meetings on which the speech - nonspeech detection works well ,

and just use ,  those meetings to  to  to send to IBM and , do the other ones.


and just use ,  those meetings to  to  to send to IBM and , do the other ones.


and just use ,  those meetings to  to  to send to IBM and , do the other ones.

What 's the problem  the l I forget. Is the problem the lapel , or  or


What 's the problem  the l I forget. Is the problem the lapel , or  or

Uh , it really depends. Um , my  my  my impression is that it 's better for meetings with fewer speakers , and it 's better for   for meetings where nobody is breathing.


Uh , it really depends. Um , my  my  my impression is that it 's better for meetings with fewer speakers , and it 's better for   for meetings where nobody is breathing.


So in fact this might suggest an alternative sort of a  a c a hybrid between these two things.


So in fact this might suggest an alternative sort of a  a c a hybrid between these two things.

So the  the one suggestion is you know we   we run Thilo 's thing and then we have somebody go and adjust all the time boundaries


So the  the one suggestion is you know we   we run Thilo 's thing and then we have somebody go and adjust all the time boundaries


So the  the one suggestion is you know we   we run Thilo 's thing and then we have somebody go and adjust all the time boundaries

and we send it to IBM. The other one is  we just run his thing and send it to IBM.


and we send it to IBM. The other one is  we just run his thing and send it to IBM.


and we send it to IBM. The other one is  we just run his thing and send it to IBM.

There 's a  a another possibility if we find that there are some problems ,


There 's a  a another possibility if we find that there are some problems ,

and that is  if we go ahead and we  just run his , and we generate the beeps file , then we have somebody listen beeps file.


and that is  if we go ahead and we  just run his , and we generate the beeps file , then we have somebody listen beeps file.

And they listen to each section and say " yes , no " whether that section is


And they listen to each section and say " yes , no " whether that section is


And they listen to each section and say " yes , no " whether that section is

i i intelligible or not. And it just  You know , there 's a little interface which will  for all the " yes " - es it  then that will be the final  beep file.


i i intelligible or not. And it just  You know , there 's a little interface which will  for all the " yes " - es it  then that will be the final  beep file.


i i intelligible or not. And it just  You know , there 's a little interface which will  for all the " yes " - es it  then that will be the final  beep file.

That 's interesting ! Cuz that 's  that 's directly related to the e end task.


That 's interesting ! Cuz that 's  that 's directly related to the e end task.


Yeah. I mean it wouldn't be that much fun for a transcriber to sit there , hear it , beep , yes or no.


It would be  kind of quick but they 're still listening to everything.


It would be  kind of quick but they 're still listening to everything.

But there 's no adjusting. And that 's what 's slow. There 's no adjusting of time boundaries.


It would be  kind of quick but they 're still listening to everything.

But there 's no adjusting. And that 's what 's slow. There 's no adjusting of time boundaries.

Well ,  eh , listening does take time too.


But there 's no adjusting. And that 's what 's slow. There 's no adjusting of time boundaries.

Well ,  eh , listening does take time too.

Yeah. I don't know , I  I think I 'm  I 'm really tending towards


Well ,  eh , listening does take time too.

Yeah. I don't know , I  I think I 'm  I 'm really tending towards


Yeah. I don't know , I  I think I 'm  I 'm really tending towards

I mean ,  what 's the worst that happens ? Do the transcribers  I mean as long as th on the other end they can say there 's  there 's something  conventions so that they say " huh ? "


I mean ,  what 's the worst that happens ? Do the transcribers  I mean as long as th on the other end they can say there 's  there 's something  conventions so that they say " huh ? "


We can just catch it at the  catch everything at this side.


So I was gonna say , EDU - one is good enough ,


So I was gonna say , EDU - one is good enough ,

maybe we could include it in this  in this set of uh , this stuff we send.


So I was gonna say , EDU - one is good enough ,

maybe we could include it in this  in this set of uh , this stuff we send.

Yeah there 's  I  I think there are some meetings where it would  would  It 's possible like this.


maybe we could include it in this  in this set of uh , this stuff we send.

Yeah there 's  I  I think there are some meetings where it would  would  It 's possible like this.

Yeah I  I think , we won't know until we generate a bunch of beep files automatically , listen to them and see how bad they are.


Yeah there 's  I  I think there are some meetings where it would  would  It 's possible like this.

Yeah I  I think , we won't know until we generate a bunch of beep files automatically , listen to them and see how bad they are.


Yeah I  I think , we won't know until we generate a bunch of beep files automatically , listen to them and see how bad they are.


We won't be able to s include it with this first thing ,


We won't be able to s include it with this first thing ,

because there 's a part of the process of the beep file which requires knowing the normalization coefficients.


because there 's a part of the process of the beep file which requires knowing the normalization coefficients.


because there 's a part of the process of the beep file which requires knowing the normalization coefficients.

That 's not hard to do. Just  it takes  you know , it just takes five minutes rather than , taking a second.


That 's not hard to do. Just  it takes  you know , it just takes five minutes rather than , taking a second.


Right , except I don't think that  the c the instructions for doing that was in that directory , right ? I  I didn't see where you had gener


Doing the gain ? It 's no problem. Adjusting the gain ?


Doing the gain ? It 's no problem. Adjusting the gain ?

n Doing th No , getting the coefficients , for each channel.


n Doing th No , getting the coefficients , for each channel.


I have one program that 'll do it. You can find other programs.


But  but  but I  I  I have  another suggestion on that , which is ,  since , really what this is , is  is  is trying to in the large , send the right thing to them and there is gonna be this  this post - processing step , um , why don't we check through a bunch of things by sampling it ?


But  but  but I  I  I have  another suggestion on that , which is ,  since , really what this is , is  is  is trying to in the large , send the right thing to them and there is gonna be this  this post - processing step , um , why don't we check through a bunch of things by sampling it ?

Right ? In other words , rather than , um , uh , saying we 're gonna listen to everything


But  but  but I  I  I have  another suggestion on that , which is ,  since , really what this is , is  is  is trying to in the large , send the right thing to them and there is gonna be this  this post - processing step , um , why don't we check through a bunch of things by sampling it ?

Right ? In other words , rather than , um , uh , saying we 're gonna listen to everything

I didn't mean listen to everything , I meant , just see if they 're any good.


Right ? In other words , rather than , um , uh , saying we 're gonna listen to everything

I didn't mean listen to everything , I meant , just see if they 're any good.

Yeah. So y you do a bunch of meetings , you listen to  to a little bit here and there ,


I didn't mean listen to everything , I meant , just see if they 're any good.

Yeah. So y you do a bunch of meetings , you listen to  to a little bit here and there ,

if it sounds like it 's almost always right and there 's not any big problem you send it to them.


Yeah. So y you do a bunch of meetings , you listen to  to a little bit here and there ,

if it sounds like it 's almost always right and there 's not any big problem you send it to them.


if it sounds like it 's almost always right and there 's not any big problem you send it to them.


And , you know , then they 'll send us back what we  w what  what they send back to us ,


And , you know , then they 'll send us back what we  w what  what they send back to us ,

and we 'll  we 'll fix things up and  some meetings will cost more time to fix up than others.


and we 'll  we 'll fix things up and  some meetings will cost more time to fix up than others.


and we 'll  we 'll fix things up and  some meetings will cost more time to fix up than others.

And we should just double - check with Brian on a few simple conventions on how they should mark things.


And we should just double - check with Brian on a few simple conventions on how they should mark things.


And we should just double - check with Brian on a few simple conventions on how they should mark things.

OK. When they  when there 's either no speech in there ,


OK. When they  when there 's either no speech in there ,


Yeah , cuz @ @ uh what I had originally said to Brian was well they 'll have to mark , when they can't distinguish between the foreground and background ,


Yeah , cuz @ @ uh what I had originally said to Brian was well they 'll have to mark , when they can't distinguish between the foreground and background ,

because I thought that was gonna be the most prevalent. But if we send them without editing , then we 're also gonna hafta have m uh , notations for words that are cut off ,


because I thought that was gonna be the most prevalent. But if we send them without editing , then we 're also gonna hafta have m uh , notations for words that are cut off ,


and other sorts of , uh , acoustic problems.


and other sorts of , uh , acoustic problems.

And they may just guess at what those cut - off words are ,


And they may just guess at what those cut - off words are ,


And they may just guess at what those cut - off words are ,

but w I mean we 're gonna adjust  everything when we come back


And they may just guess at what those cut - off words are ,

but w I mean we 're gonna adjust  everything when we come back

But what  what we would like them to do is be conservative so that they should only write down the transcript if they 're sure.


but w I mean we 're gonna adjust  everything when we come back

But what  what we would like them to do is be conservative so that they should only write down the transcript if they 're sure.


but w I mean we 're gonna adjust  everything when we come back

But what  what we would like them to do is be conservative so that they should only write down the transcript if they 're sure.

And otherwise they should mark it so that we can check.


But what  what we would like them to do is be conservative so that they should only write down the transcript if they 're sure.

And otherwise they should mark it so that we can check.


And otherwise they should mark it so that we can check.


And otherwise they should mark it so that we can check.

Well , we have the unintelligibility  convention.


Well , we have the unintelligibility  convention.


i Can I maybe have  have an order of  it 's probably in your paper that I haven't looked at lately , but


i Can I maybe have  have an order of  it 's probably in your paper that I haven't looked at lately , but

Uh , an order of magnitude notion of  of how  on a good meeting , how often uh , do you get segments that come in the middle of words and so forth , and uh  in a bad meeting how  often ?


Uh , an order of magnitude notion of  of how  on a good meeting , how often uh , do you get segments that come in the middle of words and so forth , and uh  in a bad meeting how  often ?

Was is it in a  in a  what  what is the t


Uh , an order of magnitude notion of  of how  on a good meeting , how often uh , do you get segments that come in the middle of words and so forth , and uh  in a bad meeting how  often ?

Was is it in a  in a  what  what is the t

Well he 's saying , you know , that the  the EDU meeting was a good  good meeting ,


Was is it in a  in a  what  what is the t

Well he 's saying , you know , that the  the EDU meeting was a good  good meeting ,


Well he 's saying , you know , that the  the EDU meeting was a good  good meeting ,


Uh , and so  so  so it was almost  it was almost always doing the right thing.


Uh , and so  so  so it was almost  it was almost always doing the right thing.

So I wanted to get some sense of what  what almost always meant. And then , uh in a bad meeting ,  or p some meetings where he said oh he 's had some problems , what does that mean ?


So I wanted to get some sense of what  what almost always meant. And then , uh in a bad meeting ,  or p some meetings where he said oh he 's had some problems , what does that mean ?

So I mean does one of the does it mean one percent and ten percent ? Or does it mean  five percent and fifty percent ?


So I mean does one of the does it mean one percent and ten percent ? Or does it mean  five percent and fifty percent ?


Or  Maybe percentage isn't the right word ,


Or  Maybe percentage isn't the right word ,

but you know how many  how many per minute , or  You know.


but you know how many  how many per minute , or  You know.

Yeah , the  the problem is that , nnn , the numbers Ian gave in the paper is just uh , some frame error rate. So that 's  that 's not really   What will be effective for  for the transcribers , is  They have to  yeah , in in they have to insure that that 's a real s spurt or something. And  but ,  the numbers  Oops. Um


but you know how many  how many per minute , or  You know.

Yeah , the  the problem is that , nnn , the numbers Ian gave in the paper is just uh , some frame error rate. So that 's  that 's not really   What will be effective for  for the transcribers , is  They have to  yeah , in in they have to insure that that 's a real s spurt or something. And  but ,  the numbers  Oops. Um

Let me think. So the  speech  the amount of speech that is missed by the  detector , for a good meeting , I th is around  or under one percent , I would say. But there can be  Yeah. For  yeah , but there can be more  There 's  There 's more amount speech  uh , more amount of  Yeah well , the detector says there is speech , but there is none. So that  that can be a lot when  when it 's really a breathy channel.


Yeah , the  the problem is that , nnn , the numbers Ian gave in the paper is just uh , some frame error rate. So that 's  that 's not really   What will be effective for  for the transcribers , is  They have to  yeah , in in they have to insure that that 's a real s spurt or something. And  but ,  the numbers  Oops. Um

Let me think. So the  speech  the amount of speech that is missed by the  detector , for a good meeting , I th is around  or under one percent , I would say. But there can be  Yeah. For  yeah , but there can be more  There 's  There 's more amount speech  uh , more amount of  Yeah well , the detector says there is speech , but there is none. So that  that can be a lot when  when it 's really a breathy channel.


Let me think. So the  speech  the amount of speech that is missed by the  detector , for a good meeting , I th is around  or under one percent , I would say. But there can be  Yeah. For  yeah , but there can be more  There 's  There 's more amount speech  uh , more amount of  Yeah well , the detector says there is speech , but there is none. So that  that can be a lot when  when it 's really a breathy channel.


Let me think. So the  speech  the amount of speech that is missed by the  detector , for a good meeting , I th is around  or under one percent , I would say. But there can be  Yeah. For  yeah , but there can be more  There 's  There 's more amount speech  uh , more amount of  Yeah well , the detector says there is speech , but there is none. So that  that can be a lot when  when it 's really a breathy channel.

They 'll just listen. It 's just wasted time.


They 'll just listen. It 's just wasted time.


They 'll just listen. It 's just wasted time.

And th and that 's for a good meeting. Now what about in a meeting that you said we 've  you 've had some more trouble with ?


They 'll just listen. It 's just wasted time.

And th and that 's for a good meeting. Now what about in a meeting that you said we 've  you 've had some more trouble with ?

I can't  really  hhh ,   Tsk.  I  don't have really representative numbers , I think. That 's really  I  I did  this on  on four meetings and only five minutes of  of every meet of  of these meetings so ,  it 's not  not that representative , but , it 's perhaps , Fff. Um  Yeah , it 's perhaps then  it 's perhaps five percent of something , which s uh the  the frames  speech frames which are  which are missed , but um , I can't  can't really tell.


And th and that 's for a good meeting. Now what about in a meeting that you said we 've  you 've had some more trouble with ?

I can't  really  hhh ,   Tsk.  I  don't have really representative numbers , I think. That 's really  I  I did  this on  on four meetings and only five minutes of  of every meet of  of these meetings so ,  it 's not  not that representative , but , it 's perhaps , Fff. Um  Yeah , it 's perhaps then  it 's perhaps five percent of something , which s uh the  the frames  speech frames which are  which are missed , but um , I can't  can't really tell.

Right. So I   So i Sometime , we might wanna go back and look at it more in terms of  how many times is there a spurt that 's  that 's uh , interrupted ?


I can't  really  hhh ,   Tsk.  I  don't have really representative numbers , I think. That 's really  I  I did  this on  on four meetings and only five minutes of  of every meet of  of these meetings so ,  it 's not  not that representative , but , it 's perhaps , Fff. Um  Yeah , it 's perhaps then  it 's perhaps five percent of something , which s uh the  the frames  speech frames which are  which are missed , but um , I can't  can't really tell.

Right. So I   So i Sometime , we might wanna go back and look at it more in terms of  how many times is there a spurt that 's  that 's uh , interrupted ?


Right. So I   So i Sometime , we might wanna go back and look at it more in terms of  how many times is there a spurt that 's  that 's uh , interrupted ?

The other problem is , that when it  when it uh d i on the breathy ones , where you get   breathing , uh , inti indicated as speech.


The other problem is , that when it  when it uh d i on the breathy ones , where you get   breathing , uh , inti indicated as speech.


The other problem is , that when it  when it uh d i on the breathy ones , where you get   breathing , uh , inti indicated as speech.

And I guess we could just indicate to the transcribers not to  encode that if they  We could still do the beep file.


And I guess we could just indicate to the transcribers not to  encode that if they  We could still do the beep file.

Yeah again I  I think that that is probably less of a problem because if you 're  if there 's   If  if a  if a word is  is split , then they might have to listen to it a few times to really understand that they can't quite get it.


Yeah again I  I think that that is probably less of a problem because if you 're  if there 's   If  if a  if a word is  is split , then they might have to listen to it a few times to really understand that they can't quite get it.


Whereas if they listen  to it and there 's  don't hear any speech I think they 'd probably just listen to it once.


Whereas if they listen  to it and there 's  don't hear any speech I think they 'd probably just listen to it once.

So there 'd  you 'd think there 'd be a  a factor of three or four in  in , uh , cost function ,


So there 'd  you 'd think there 'd be a  a factor of three or four in  in , uh , cost function ,


So there 'd  you 'd think there 'd be a  a factor of three or four in  in , uh , cost function ,

Yeah , so  but I think that 's  n that really doesn't happen very often that  that  that a word is cut in the middle or something. That 's  that 's really not  not normal.


Yeah , so  but I think that 's  n that really doesn't happen very often that  that  that a word is cut in the middle or something. That 's  that 's really not  not normal.

So  so what you 're saying is that nearly always what happens when there 's a problem is that  is that uh , there 's  some uh , uh nonspeech that uh  that is b interpreted as speech.


Yeah , so  but I think that 's  n that really doesn't happen very often that  that  that a word is cut in the middle or something. That 's  that 's really not  not normal.

So  so what you 're saying is that nearly always what happens when there 's a problem is that  is that uh , there 's  some uh , uh nonspeech that uh  that is b interpreted as speech.

Well then , we really should just send the stuff.


So  so what you 're saying is that nearly always what happens when there 's a problem is that  is that uh , there 's  some uh , uh nonspeech that uh  that is b interpreted as speech.

Well then , we really should just send the stuff.


Well then , we really should just send the stuff.

Right ? Because that doesn't do any harm.


Right ? Because that doesn't do any harm.

You know , if they  they hear you know , a dog bark and they say what was the word , they  you know , they


You know , if they  they hear you know , a dog bark and they say what was the word , they  you know , they


You know , if they  they hear you know , a dog bark and they say what was the word , they  you know , they

Yeah I also thought of  there  there are really some channels where it is almost  um , only bre breathing in it. And to  to re - run 's


Yeah I also thought of  there  there are really some channels where it is almost  um , only bre breathing in it. And to  to re - run 's


Yeah I also thought of  there  there are really some channels where it is almost  um , only bre breathing in it. And to  to re - run 's

Eh , um. Yeah. I 've got a  a  P - a  method with loops into the cross - correlation with the PZM mike , and then to reject everything which  which seems to be breath.


Eh , um. Yeah. I 've got a  a  P - a  method with loops into the cross - correlation with the PZM mike , and then to reject everything which  which seems to be breath.

So , I could run this on those breathy channels , and perhaps throw out


So , I could run this on those breathy channels , and perhaps throw out


So , I could run this on those breathy channels , and perhaps throw out

Yeah. But I think  I th Again , I think that sort of  that that would be good ,


Yeah. But I think  I th Again , I think that sort of  that that would be good ,


Yeah. But I think  I th Again , I think that sort of  that that would be good ,

and what that 'll do is just cut the time a little further.


and what that 'll do is just cut the time a little further.


and what that 'll do is just cut the time a little further.

But I think none of this is stuff that really needs somebody doing these  these uh , uh , explicit markings.


But I think none of this is stuff that really needs somebody doing these  these uh , uh , explicit markings.


But I think none of this is stuff that really needs somebody doing these  these uh , uh , explicit markings.

Excellent. Oh , I 'd be delighted with that , I  I was very impressed with the  with the result. Yeah.


But I think none of this is stuff that really needs somebody doing these  these uh , uh , explicit markings.

Excellent. Oh , I 'd be delighted with that , I  I was very impressed with the  with the result. Yeah.

Yeah , cuz the other thing that was concerning me about it was that it seemed kind of specialized to the EDU meeting , and  and that then when you get a meeting like this or something ,


Excellent. Oh , I 'd be delighted with that , I  I was very impressed with the  with the result. Yeah.

Yeah , cuz the other thing that was concerning me about it was that it seemed kind of specialized to the EDU meeting , and  and that then when you get a meeting like this or something ,


Excellent. Oh , I 'd be delighted with that , I  I was very impressed with the  with the result. Yeah.

Yeah , cuz the other thing that was concerning me about it was that it seemed kind of specialized to the EDU meeting , and  and that then when you get a meeting like this or something ,

and   and you have a b a bunch of different dominant speakers


Yeah , cuz the other thing that was concerning me about it was that it seemed kind of specialized to the EDU meeting , and  and that then when you get a meeting like this or something ,

and   and you have a b a bunch of different dominant speakers


and   and you have a b a bunch of different dominant speakers


Whereas this sounds like a more general solution


Whereas this sounds like a more general solution

I was just trying to find a way  Cuz I  I don't think the staggered mixed channel is awfully good as a way of handling overlaps.


I was just trying to find a way  Cuz I  I don't think the staggered mixed channel is awfully good as a way of handling overlaps.


I was just trying to find a way  Cuz I  I don't think the staggered mixed channel is awfully good as a way of handling overlaps.

Well good. That  that really simplifies thing then.


Well good. That  that really simplifies thing then.


Well good. That  that really simplifies thing then.

And we can just , you know , get the meeting , process it , put the beeps file , send it off to IBM.


And we can just , you know , get the meeting , process it , put the beeps file , send it off to IBM.


make sure you don't send them three hours of " bzzz "  or something.


That 'll oughta be a good way to get the pipeline going.


That 'll oughta be a good way to get the pipeline going.

And there 's  there 's one point which I  uh   yeah , which  which I r  we covered when I  when I r listened to one of the EDU meetings ,


And there 's  there 's one point which I  uh   yeah , which  which I r  we covered when I  when I r listened to one of the EDU meetings ,

and that 's  that somebody is playing sound from his laptop.


and that 's  that somebody is playing sound from his laptop.

And i  the speech - nonspeech detector just assigns randomly the speech to  to one of the channels , so. Uh - I haven't - I didn't think of  of s of  this before ,


And i  the speech - nonspeech detector just assigns randomly the speech to  to one of the channels , so. Uh - I haven't - I didn't think of  of s of  this before ,

but what  what shall we do about s things like this ?


And i  the speech - nonspeech detector just assigns randomly the speech to  to one of the channels , so. Uh - I haven't - I didn't think of  of s of  this before ,

but what  what shall we do about s things like this ?

Well you were suggesting  You suggested maybe just not sending that part of the meeting.


but what  what shall we do about s things like this ?

Well you were suggesting  You suggested maybe just not sending that part of the meeting.


Well you were suggesting  You suggested maybe just not sending that part of the meeting.

But , sometimes the   the  the laptop is in the background and some  somebody is  is talking , and ,  that 's really a little bit confusing , but


But , sometimes the   the  the laptop is in the background and some  somebody is  is talking , and ,  that 's really a little bit confusing , but


a hand - transcriber would have trouble with that.


a hand - transcriber would have trouble with that.

that 's  that 's a second question , " what  what will different transcribers do with  with the laptop sound ? "


that 's  that 's a second question , " what  what will different transcribers do with  with the laptop sound ? "


that 's  that 's a second question , " what  what will different transcribers do with  with the laptop sound ? "

What was the l what was the laptop sound ?


What was the l what was the laptop sound ?


Well , so  I mean  So my standard approach has been if it 's not someone close - miked , then , they don't end up on one of the close - miked channels. They end up on a different channel. And we have any number of channels available ,


Well , so  I mean  So my standard approach has been if it 's not someone close - miked , then , they don't end up on one of the close - miked channels. They end up on a different channel. And we have any number of channels available ,

I mean it 's an infinite number of channels.


I mean it 's an infinite number of channels.


I mean it 's an infinite number of channels.

when thi when this is sent to  to the I M - eh , I B M transcribers , I don't know if  if they can tell that 's really


when thi when this is sent to  to the I M - eh , I B M transcribers , I don't know if  if they can tell that 's really


when thi when this is sent to  to the I M - eh , I B M transcribers , I don't know if  if they can tell that 's really

Yeah cuz there will be no channel on which it is foreground.


Yeah cuz there will be no channel on which it is foreground.


Yeah cuz there will be no channel on which it is foreground.

Well , they have a convention , in their own procedures ,  which is for a background  sound.


Well , they have a convention , in their own procedures ,  which is for a background  sound.

Right , but , uh , in general I don't think we want them transcribing the background , cuz that would be too much work.


Well , they have a convention , in their own procedures ,  which is for a background  sound.

Right , but , uh , in general I don't think we want them transcribing the background , cuz that would be too much work.

Right ? For it  because in the overlap sections , then they 'll


Right , but , uh , in general I don't think we want them transcribing the background , cuz that would be too much work.

Right ? For it  because in the overlap sections , then they 'll

Well I don't think Jane 's saying they 're gonna transcribe it , but they 'll just mark it as being  there 's some background stuff there ,


Right ? For it  because in the overlap sections , then they 'll

Well I don't think Jane 's saying they 're gonna transcribe it , but they 'll just mark it as being  there 's some background stuff there ,

But that 's gonna be all over the place.


Well I don't think Jane 's saying they 're gonna transcribe it , but they 'll just mark it as being  there 's some background stuff there ,

But that 's gonna be all over the place.


But that 's gonna be all over the place.

How w how will they tell the difference between that sort of background and the dormal  normal background of two people talking at once ?


How w how will they tell the difference between that sort of background and the dormal  normal background of two people talking at once ?


How w how will they tell the difference between that sort of background and the dormal  normal background of two people talking at once ?

Oh , I think  I think it 'd be easy to to say " background laptop ".


Oh , I think  I think it 'd be easy to to say " background laptop ".

But wait a minute , why would they treat them differently ?


But wait a minute , why would they treat them differently ?


But wait a minute , why would they treat them differently ?

Because otherwise it 's gonna be too much work for them to mark it. They 'll be marking it all over the place.


Because otherwise it 's gonna be too much work for them to mark it. They 'll be marking it all over the place.


Because otherwise it 's gonna be too much work for them to mark it. They 'll be marking it all over the place.

Oh , I s background laptop or , background LT   wouldn't take any time.


Because otherwise it 's gonna be too much work for them to mark it. They 'll be marking it all over the place.

Oh , I s background laptop or , background LT   wouldn't take any time.

Sure , but how are they gonna tell bet the difference between that and two people just talking at the same time ?


Oh , I s background laptop or , background LT   wouldn't take any time.

Sure , but how are they gonna tell bet the difference between that and two people just talking at the same time ?


Sure , but how are they gonna tell bet the difference between that and two people just talking at the same time ?

Oh , you can tell. Acoustically , can't you tell ?


Oh , you can tell. Acoustically , can't you tell ?


Oh , you can tell. Acoustically , can't you tell ?

Well , I mean , isn't there a category something like uh , " sounds for someone for whom there is no i close mike " ?


Well , I mean , isn't there a category something like uh , " sounds for someone for whom there is no i close mike " ?


Well , I mean , isn't there a category something like uh , " sounds for someone for whom there is no i close mike " ?

But how do we d how do we do that for the I B M folks ?


But how do we d how do we do that for the I B M folks ?


Well we may just have to do it when it gets back here.


Well we may just have to do it when it gets back here.

So we don't do anything for it  with it.


So we don't do anything for it  with it.


And they 'll just mark it however they mark it ,


And they 'll just mark it however they mark it ,

and we 'll correct it when it comes back.


and we 'll correct it when it comes back.


Well , as it comes back , we have a uh  when we can use the channelized interface for encoding it , then it 'll be easy for us to handle.


Well , as it comes back , we have a uh  when we can use the channelized interface for encoding it , then it 'll be easy for us to handle.

But   but if  if out of context , they can't tell if it 's a channeled speak uh , you know , a close - miked speaker or not ,  then that would be confusing to them.


But   but if  if out of context , they can't tell if it 's a channeled speak uh , you know , a close - miked speaker or not ,  then that would be confusing to them.


I don't know , I  it doesn't  I don't  Either way would be fine with me , I don't really care.


I don't know , I  it doesn't  I don't  Either way would be fine with me , I don't really care.

Yeah. So. Shall we uh , do digits and get out of here ?


I don't know , I  it doesn't  I don't  Either way would be fine with me , I don't really care.

Yeah. So. Shall we uh , do digits and get out of here ?

I have o I have one question. Do you think we should send the um  that whole meeting to them and not worry about pre - processing it ?


Yeah. So. Shall we uh , do digits and get out of here ?

I have o I have one question. Do you think we should send the um  that whole meeting to them and not worry about pre - processing it ?


I have o I have one question. Do you think we should send the um  that whole meeting to them and not worry about pre - processing it ?

Or  Uh , what I mean is  we  we should  leave the  part with the audio in the uh , beep file that we send to IBM for that one , or should we  start after the  that part of the meeting is over in what we send.


Or  Uh , what I mean is  we  we should  leave the  part with the audio in the uh , beep file that we send to IBM for that one , or should we  start after the  that part of the meeting is over in what we send.


Or  Uh , what I mean is  we  we should  leave the  part with the audio in the uh , beep file that we send to IBM for that one , or should we  start after the  that part of the meeting is over in what we send.

So , the part where they 're using sounds from their  from their laptops.


So , the part where they 're using sounds from their  from their laptops.


So , the part where they 're using sounds from their  from their laptops.

w If we have speech from the laptop should we just uh , excise that from what we send to IBM , or should we  i give it to them and let them do with it what they can ?


So , the part where they 're using sounds from their  from their laptops.

w If we have speech from the laptop should we just uh , excise that from what we send to IBM , or should we  i give it to them and let them do with it what they can ?

I think we should just  it  it 's gonna be too much work if we hafta  worry about that I think.


w If we have speech from the laptop should we just uh , excise that from what we send to IBM , or should we  i give it to them and let them do with it what they can ?

I think we should just  it  it 's gonna be too much work if we hafta  worry about that I think.

OK , that 'd be nice to have a  a uniform procedure.


w If we have speech from the laptop should we just uh , excise that from what we send to IBM , or should we  i give it to them and let them do with it what they can ?

I think we should just  it  it 's gonna be too much work if we hafta  worry about that I think.

OK , that 'd be nice to have a  a uniform procedure.

Yeah , I think if we just  m send it all to them. you know.


I think we should just  it  it 's gonna be too much work if we hafta  worry about that I think.

OK , that 'd be nice to have a  a uniform procedure.

Yeah , I think if we just  m send it all to them. you know.


OK , that 'd be nice to have a  a uniform procedure.

Yeah , I think if we just  m send it all to them. you know.


Yeah , I think if we just  m send it all to them. you know.

Let  Yeah , worry about it when we get back in.


Let  Yeah , worry about it when we get back in.

And give them freedom to   to indicate if it 's just not workable.


And give them freedom to   to indicate if it 's just not workable.


Cuz , I wouldn't  don't think we would mind  having that  transcribed , if they did it.


Cuz , I wouldn't  don't think we would mind  having that  transcribed , if they did it.

As I say , we 'll just have to listen to it and see how horrible it is.


As I say , we 'll just have to listen to it and see how horrible it is.


I think that  that will be a little bit of a problem


I think that  that will be a little bit of a problem

as it really switches around between  two different channels , I think.


as it really switches around between  two different channels , I think.

Mm - hmm , and  and they 're very  it 's very audible ? on the close - talking channels ?


as it really switches around between  two different channels , I think.

Mm - hmm , and  and they 're very  it 's very audible ? on the close - talking channels ?

Oh well. I mean , it 's the same problem as the lapel mike.


Mm - hmm , and  and they 're very  it 's very audible ? on the close - talking channels ?

Oh well. I mean , it 's the same problem as the lapel mike.


Oh well. I mean , it 's the same problem as the lapel mike.


OK , so we read the transcript number first , right ?


OK , so we read the transcript number first , right ?

Are we gonna do it altogether or separately ?


Are we gonna do it altogether or separately ?


that 's  that 's a nice fast way to do it.


that 's  that 's a nice fast way to do it.

It 's kind of interesting if there 're any more errors in these ,  than we had the first set.


It 's kind of interesting if there 're any more errors in these ,  than we had the first set.

Nnn , yeah , I think there probably will be.


It 's kind of interesting if there 're any more errors in these ,  than we had the first set.

Nnn , yeah , I think there probably will be.

Do you guys plug your ears when you do it ?


Nnn , yeah , I think there probably will be.

Do you guys plug your ears when you do it ?


Do you guys plug your ears when you do it ?


Total concentration. Are you guys ready ?


Okay um , welcome to our detailed design meeting. I'm pretty excited. Let's start it's approximately fifteen forty or something like that. Okay um the agenda  we're gonna do an opening and then um I'll talk about the minutes from the last meeting , what we d discussed um , then we'll have the prototype presentation and a look at the evaluation criteria. We'll look at the finances and finally a  do a production evaluation and close. So , starting off with the um last  the last one , oh I don't have it here um , but we talked about energy , we're gonna use a kinetic battery um , we want to use a simple chip , because we're not gonna need a a shuffle um , we're gonna need a scroll um , we're choosing a latex case w in fruity colours that's curved and um we're using push buttons uh with a supplement of an on-screen menu. And it sounded like we had set um like eight or nine buttons , including five pre-set channels. Okay ? Let's do the look and feel design presentation first.

Right , well we made three different prototypes and I guess we'll start with with this one. Um we have our colours not  are not fixed , but this is the general shape. Um it's  you hold it sort of either like like this in your left hand or you switch it over and uh it's easily adaptable to either hand. You can push the buttons with your thumb like a mobile phone , or you can push them with your index finger of your other hand , or even  I mean there's a whole variety , you can hold it like this and press it with your same index finger. Uh we have the on off button at the tip , very visible , very big. We have our up and down buttons , which are also gonna be our channel selectors , and we have our little menu button here. If you push  if you're just pushing these normally , they're the menu buttons , if  uh the volume buttons rather. If you press select once , they become channel changing buttons. If we press select three times , the menu with the other features and pro possibly also with your T_V_ channel choices shows up , and you have your five presets down here. Um if people wanna grab hold of that , see how it feels in your hand. That's our number one prototype. Um do you wanna present the potato ,


Right , well we made three different prototypes and I guess we'll start with with this one. Um we have our colours not  are not fixed , but this is the general shape. Um it's  you hold it sort of either like like this in your left hand or you switch it over and uh it's easily adaptable to either hand. You can push the buttons with your thumb like a mobile phone , or you can push them with your index finger of your other hand , or even  I mean there's a whole variety , you can hold it like this and press it with your same index finger. Uh we have the on off button at the tip , very visible , very big. We have our up and down buttons , which are also gonna be our channel selectors , and we have our little menu button here. If you push  if you're just pushing these normally , they're the menu buttons , if  uh the volume buttons rather. If you press select once , they become channel changing buttons. If we press select three times , the menu with the other features and pro possibly also with your T_V_ channel choices shows up , and you have your five presets down here. Um if people wanna grab hold of that , see how it feels in your hand. That's our number one prototype. Um do you wanna present the potato ,


The little lightning bolt in it , very cute.


The little lightning bolt in it , very cute.

um  What  We call that one the rhombus ,


um  What  We call that one the rhombus ,


Um this one is known as the potato , uh it's


Um this one is known as the potato , uh it's

how can I present it ? It's an ergonomic shape , so it it fits in your hand nicely. Um it's designed to be used either in your left hand or or in your right hand. Um I've gone here just for just for four buttons on this one. Um the two blue buttons here are for adjusting the volume. So you've got volume up and volume down on the other side here. Um the red ones are for uh changing channels , channel up and channel down and that's um moves between your favourite channels that you've selected. Uh this middle button here brings up the on-screen menu and when you're working in the on-screen menu you use the other four buttons to navigate around the menu system and the middle button uh to select and that's basically it , that's the potato.


how can I present it ? It's an ergonomic shape , so it it fits in your hand nicely. Um it's designed to be used either in your left hand or or in your right hand. Um I've gone here just for just for four buttons on this one. Um the two blue buttons here are for adjusting the volume. So you've got volume up and volume down on the other side here. Um the red ones are for uh changing channels , channel up and channel down and that's um moves between your favourite channels that you've selected. Uh this middle button here brings up the on-screen menu and when you're working in the on-screen menu you use the other four buttons to navigate around the menu system and the middle button uh to select and that's basically it , that's the potato.

Uh that would be one of your channels , basically ,


Uh that would be one of your channels , basically ,

so like channel zero would be t to switch switch the machine off ,


so like channel zero would be t to switch switch the machine off ,


so like channel zero would be t to switch switch the machine off ,

Could the middle button of the on-screen menu function as a power button ?


Could the middle button of the on-screen menu function as a power button ?


Could the middle button of the on-screen menu function as a power button ?

it would make it hard to turn the machine off , to turn your T_V_ off.


it would make it hard to turn the machine off , to turn your T_V_ off.


it would make it hard to turn the machine off , to turn your T_V_ off.

Yeah yeah , that that'd be one way of doing it , yeah. That'd work , yeah.


Yeah yeah , that that'd be one way of doing it , yeah. That'd work , yeah.

If you like held it down , that would be on off.


Yeah yeah , that that'd be one way of doing it , yeah. That'd work , yeah.

If you like held it down , that would be on off.

Yeah. On off , that's a possibility , yeah.


If you like held it down , that would be on off.

Yeah. On off , that's a possibility , yeah.

And then finally we have um the Martian or the pear , either way. Um it's a bit different , just a little bit more of a creative feel. Uh you have the on off toggle stem on the top.  We have the five preset seeds .


Yeah. On off , that's a possibility , yeah.

And then finally we have um the Martian or the pear , either way. Um it's a bit different , just a little bit more of a creative feel. Uh you have the on off toggle stem on the top.  We have the five preset seeds .

And then you have on the sides to make it a little bit more three-dimensional , you have your channel changing , volume changing buttons and your menu button right here in the middle. So , that's for your consideration as well , plus it's an interesting talking point to have standing up.


And then finally we have um the Martian or the pear , either way. Um it's a bit different , just a little bit more of a creative feel. Uh you have the on off toggle stem on the top.  We have the five preset seeds .

And then you have on the sides to make it a little bit more three-dimensional , you have your channel changing , volume changing buttons and your menu button right here in the middle. So , that's for your consideration as well , plus it's an interesting talking point to have standing up.


And then finally we have um the Martian or the pear , either way. Um it's a bit different , just a little bit more of a creative feel. Uh you have the on off toggle stem on the top.  We have the five preset seeds .

And then you have on the sides to make it a little bit more three-dimensional , you have your channel changing , volume changing buttons and your menu button right here in the middle. So , that's for your consideration as well , plus it's an interesting talking point to have standing up.

We figured it could stand up like this on your table , if you wanted it to , if I made the bot the bottom flat.


And then you have on the sides to make it a little bit more three-dimensional , you have your channel changing , volume changing buttons and your menu button right here in the middle. So , that's for your consideration as well , plus it's an interesting talking point to have standing up.

We figured it could stand up like this on your table , if you wanted it to , if I made the bot the bottom flat.


We figured it could stand up like this on your table , if you wanted it to , if I made the bot the bottom flat.

Sorry , what's the yellow one in the middle ,


Sorry , what's the yellow one in the middle ,


Sorry , what's the yellow one in the middle ,

Very interesting.  I think that one's my favourite.


Very interesting.  I think that one's my favourite.

So that's  So that's our three prototypes. Um basically , in terms of making decisions , what we'd need to do is first of all decide on a form uh which of the three different shapes we want , then decide what kind of button layout we want , how many buttons , and then to choose what colours we want to make the buttons and if we wanna put any text on the device , like label on the buttons or put a brand name or or a logo on it or whatever.


Very interesting.  I think that one's my favourite.

So that's  So that's our three prototypes. Um basically , in terms of making decisions , what we'd need to do is first of all decide on a form uh which of the three different shapes we want , then decide what kind of button layout we want , how many buttons , and then to choose what colours we want to make the buttons and if we wanna put any text on the device , like label on the buttons or put a brand name or or a logo on it or whatever.

We were we were thinking that normally we'd go for fruity colours , but maybe we're also thinking that your sort of middle aged man , for an example customer , might not want a fruity coloured remote , so m maybe we'd have one version that's a bit toned down ,


So that's  So that's our three prototypes. Um basically , in terms of making decisions , what we'd need to do is first of all decide on a form uh which of the three different shapes we want , then decide what kind of button layout we want , how many buttons , and then to choose what colours we want to make the buttons and if we wanna put any text on the device , like label on the buttons or put a brand name or or a logo on it or whatever.

We were we were thinking that normally we'd go for fruity colours , but maybe we're also thinking that your sort of middle aged man , for an example customer , might not want a fruity coloured remote , so m maybe we'd have one version that's a bit toned down ,


We were we were thinking that normally we'd go for fruity colours , but maybe we're also thinking that your sort of middle aged man , for an example customer , might not want a fruity coloured remote , so m maybe we'd have one version that's a bit toned down ,

maybe with with less contrasts on it. Yeah , something still a little bright to make it hard to lose , but


We were we were thinking that normally we'd go for fruity colours , but maybe we're also thinking that your sort of middle aged man , for an example customer , might not want a fruity coloured remote , so m maybe we'd have one version that's a bit toned down ,

maybe with with less contrasts on it. Yeah , something still a little bright to make it hard to lose , but

Would  Yeah , but we don't want it to look like a kids' toy .


maybe with with less contrasts on it. Yeah , something still a little bright to make it hard to lose , but

Would  Yeah , but we don't want it to look like a kids' toy .


maybe with with less contrasts on it. Yeah , something still a little bright to make it hard to lose , but

Would  Yeah , but we don't want it to look like a kids' toy .

Now that was one thing that we brought up over email. I don't know if you picked up your email , but um the f the um feature that we considered for it not getting lost.


Would  Yeah , but we don't want it to look like a kids' toy .

Now that was one thing that we brought up over email. I don't know if you picked up your email , but um the f the um feature that we considered for it not getting lost.


Now that was one thing that we brought up over email. I don't know if you picked up your email , but um the f the um feature that we considered for it not getting lost.

Right. Well we were we were talking about that a little bit when we got that email and we think that each of these are so distinctive , that it  it's not just like another piece of technology around your house. It's gonna be somewhere that it can be seen.


Right. Well we were we were talking about that a little bit when we got that email and we think that each of these are so distinctive , that it  it's not just like another piece of technology around your house. It's gonna be somewhere that it can be seen.

So we're we're not thinking that it's gonna be as critical to have the loss


Right. Well we were we were talking about that a little bit when we got that email and we think that each of these are so distinctive , that it  it's not just like another piece of technology around your house. It's gonna be somewhere that it can be seen.

So we're we're not thinking that it's gonna be as critical to have the loss

But if it's like under covers or like in a couch you still can't see it.


So we're we're not thinking that it's gonna be as critical to have the loss

But if it's like under covers or like in a couch you still can't see it.

It's really  Would it be very difficult to um just have an external device that like I dunno , you tape to your to your T_V_ um that when you press it you ha a little light beep goes off ? Do you think that would be conceptually possible ?


But if it's like under covers or like in a couch you still can't see it.

It's really  Would it be very difficult to um just have an external device that like I dunno , you tape to your to your T_V_ um that when you press it you ha a little light beep goes off ? Do you think that would be conceptually possible ?

I think it would be difficult technologically ,


It's really  Would it be very difficult to um just have an external device that like I dunno , you tape to your to your T_V_ um that when you press it you ha a little light beep goes off ? Do you think that would be conceptually possible ?

I think it would be difficult technologically ,


I think it would be difficult technologically ,

because if your if your remote's lost it's probably under the settee and in that case you can't you can't send an infrared sing signal to it to find it ,


because if your if your remote's lost it's probably under the settee and in that case you can't you can't send an infrared sing signal to it to find it ,

s so it's  I'm not quite sure how it would work


s so it's  I'm not quite sure how it would work


s so it's  I'm not quite sure how it would work

and then I wonder if it's if it's more just a gimmick then anything else. Uh I mean ho how many times do you really , seriously lose your remote control and would would a device like that actually help you to find it ?


and then I wonder if it's if it's more just a gimmick then anything else. Uh I mean ho how many times do you really , seriously lose your remote control and would would a device like that actually help you to find it ?

There might be something that you can do in the circuit board and the chip to make it make a noise or something , but it would take a lot more development than we have this afternoon.


and then I wonder if it's if it's more just a gimmick then anything else. Uh I mean ho how many times do you really , seriously lose your remote control and would would a device like that actually help you to find it ?

There might be something that you can do in the circuit board and the chip to make it make a noise or something , but it would take a lot more development than we have this afternoon.

Mm-hmm. Okay , that's a fair evaluation. Getting lost. Um we  so we do we've decided not to worry about that for now. Okay 'cause  well , the designs are very bright , so you're right , they're gonna stick out , but um


and then I wonder if it's if it's more just a gimmick then anything else. Uh I mean ho how many times do you really , seriously lose your remote control and would would a device like that actually help you to find it ?

There might be something that you can do in the circuit board and the chip to make it make a noise or something , but it would take a lot more development than we have this afternoon.

Mm-hmm. Okay , that's a fair evaluation. Getting lost. Um we  so we do we've decided not to worry about that for now. Okay 'cause  well , the designs are very bright , so you're right , they're gonna stick out , but um

So d do people have a preference as far as feel and functionality ? Um.


There might be something that you can do in the circuit board and the chip to make it make a noise or something , but it would take a lot more development than we have this afternoon.

Mm-hmm. Okay , that's a fair evaluation. Getting lost. Um we  so we do we've decided not to worry about that for now. Okay 'cause  well , the designs are very bright , so you're right , they're gonna stick out , but um

So d do people have a preference as far as feel and functionality ? Um.

I feel like this is simil  or it's sort of what already exists so if we're trying to think of something sort of like new and fun , even though this is like what you're init I'm initially drawn to , just 'cause it's like comfortable and like not different. I sort of like this one , like I I don't know why , it just it's like small but still sort of like cute looking , I dunno. But I also like the b the side buttons on that one , like I think that's kind of neat.


Mm-hmm. Okay , that's a fair evaluation. Getting lost. Um we  so we do we've decided not to worry about that for now. Okay 'cause  well , the designs are very bright , so you're right , they're gonna stick out , but um

So d do people have a preference as far as feel and functionality ? Um.

I feel like this is simil  or it's sort of what already exists so if we're trying to think of something sort of like new and fun , even though this is like what you're init I'm initially drawn to , just 'cause it's like comfortable and like not different. I sort of like this one , like I I don't know why , it just it's like small but still sort of like cute looking , I dunno. But I also like the b the side buttons on that one , like I think that's kind of neat.


So d do people have a preference as far as feel and functionality ? Um.

I feel like this is simil  or it's sort of what already exists so if we're trying to think of something sort of like new and fun , even though this is like what you're init I'm initially drawn to , just 'cause it's like comfortable and like not different. I sort of like this one , like I I don't know why , it just it's like small but still sort of like cute looking , I dunno. But I also like the b the side buttons on that one , like I think that's kind of neat.

But I dunno how much any of this has to do with the fashionable , sort of cool looking thing that we also need to focus on .