U uh actually I had a question about the downsampling , um I don't know who , I mean how this was done but is  is there  are there any um  issues with downsampling

because I know that the recognizer um that we use h can do it sort of on the fly um so we wouldn't have to have it eh you know do it uh explicitly beforehand. And is there any um i are there other d sev uh is there more than one way to do the downsampling where one might be better than another ?

There are lots of w  there are lots of ways to do the downsampling um different filters to put on ,


because I know that the recognizer um that we use h can do it sort of on the fly um so we wouldn't have to have it eh you know do it uh explicitly beforehand. And is there any um i are there other d sev uh is there more than one way to do the downsampling where one might be better than another ?

There are lots of w  there are lots of ways to do the downsampling um different filters to put on ,


There are lots of w  there are lots of ways to do the downsampling um different filters to put on ,


I don't think we even know which one I assume you 're using syncat to do it ?


I don't think we even know which one I assume you 're using syncat to do it ?

No , I 'm using uh SN SND uh are resample.


No , I 'm using uh SN SND uh are resample.


almost all the vowels , that 's the hard part.


almost all the vowels , that 's the hard part.

So  so the other thing we should try is to just take the original wave forms ,


almost all the vowels , that 's the hard part.

So  so the other thing we should try is to just take the original wave forms ,

I mean segment them but not downsample them.


So  so the other thing we should try is to just take the original wave forms ,

I mean segment them but not downsample them.

Yeah we could  we could try that and  and compare


I mean segment them but not downsample them.

Yeah we could  we could try that and  and compare

And  and feed them to  feed them to the SRI recognizer and see if  if the SRI front - end does something.


Yeah we could  we could try that and  and compare

And  and feed them to  feed them to the SRI recognizer and see if  if the SRI front - end does something.


And  and feed them to  feed them to the SRI recognizer and see if  if the SRI front - end does something.

I suspect that 's sort of premature optimization , but Sure.


I suspect that 's sort of premature optimization , but Sure.

We can try it. I  I only downsampled them first cuz I was


I suspect that 's sort of premature optimization , but Sure.

We can try it. I  I only downsampled them first cuz I was

I mean that 's just one line  that 's one line of code to comment at


We can try it. I  I only downsampled them first cuz I was

I mean that 's just one line  that 's one line of code to comment at


I mean that 's just one line  that 's one line of code to comment at

Right and  and it doesn't  is no more work  for um you know for us.


Right and  and it doesn't  is no more work  for um you know for us.


Well they 're just bigger to transfer , that 's why I s downsampled them before but


Well they 're just bigger to transfer , that 's why I s downsampled them before but

Well I mean that was  if it 's the same then we can downsample here


Well I mean that was  if it 's the same then we can downsample here


Well I mean that was  if it 's the same then we can downsample here

Although those eighty meg files take a while to copy into my directories


Although those eighty meg files take a while to copy into my directories


Although those eighty meg files take a while to copy into my directories

so , but no , I mean it 's not  i it wouldn't be a problem if you 're interested in it


so , but no , I mean it 's not  i it wouldn't be a problem if you 're interested in it

Yeah I mean it would be uh you know it would probably take uh about um you know


Yeah I mean it would be uh you know it would probably take uh about um you know

minus the transfer time it would  it would take uh you know ten minutes to try and  and  and


minus the transfer time it would  it would take uh you know ten minutes to try and  and  and

It 's about a fifty minute drive , right ?


minus the transfer time it would  it would take uh you know ten minutes to try and  and  and

It 's about a fifty minute drive , right ?

And  and if for some reason we see that it works better then we might investigate why


It 's about a fifty minute drive , right ?

And  and if for some reason we see that it works better then we might investigate why

Well it takes more disk space too so I was just


And  and if for some reason we see that it works better then we might investigate why

Well it takes more disk space too so I was just

Mmm. In the front - end we could do that.


Well it takes more disk space too so I was just

Mmm. In the front - end we could do that.


Mmm. In the front - end we could do that.

So you just train  just different filters


So you just train  just different filters

and so you 're just wondering whether the filter is


and so you 're just wondering whether the filter is


and so you 're just wondering whether the filter is

So we could try that with this particular twenty minutes of speech and sort of see if there 's any differences.


So we could try that with this particular twenty minutes of speech and sort of see if there 's any differences.


So we could try that with this particular twenty minutes of speech and sort of see if there 's any differences.

You know a at some point someone might have optimized whatever filtering is done for the actual recognition um performance.


You know a at some point someone might have optimized whatever filtering is done for the actual recognition um performance.


It just seems to me that , you know small changes to the language model and the vocabulary will so swamp that that it may be premature to worry about that. I mean so one is a half a percent better than the other I don't think that gives you any information.


It just seems to me that , you know small changes to the language model and the vocabulary will so swamp that that it may be premature to worry about that. I mean so one is a half a percent better than the other I don't think that gives you any information.

Well it 's just as easy to  to give you the sixteen K individual ,


It just seems to me that , you know small changes to the language model and the vocabulary will so swamp that that it may be premature to worry about that. I mean so one is a half a percent better than the other I don't think that gives you any information.

Well it 's just as easy to  to give you the sixteen K individual ,

it was just more disk space you know for storing them


Well it 's just as easy to  to give you the sixteen K individual ,

it was just more disk space you know for storing them

Are you  are you using uh uh mel cepstrum or PLP over there ?


it was just more disk space you know for storing them

Are you  are you using uh uh mel cepstrum or PLP over there ?


Are you  are you using uh uh mel cepstrum or PLP over there ?


That 's what I would assume but you never know ,


PLP uses uh auto - regressive filtering and uh modeling and so it can be sensitive to the kind of filtering that you 're doing


PLP uses uh auto - regressive filtering and uh modeling and so it can be sensitive to the kind of filtering that you 're doing

but uh uh mel cepstrum uh might not  b you wouldn't expect to be so much but


PLP uses uh auto - regressive filtering and uh modeling and so it can be sensitive to the kind of filtering that you 're doing

but uh uh mel cepstrum uh might not  b you wouldn't expect to be so much but

Well we can try it if you generate like the same set of files just up to that point where we stopped anyway and just sti stick them somewhere


but uh uh mel cepstrum uh might not  b you wouldn't expect to be so much but

Well we can try it if you generate like the same set of files just up to that point where we stopped anyway and just sti stick them somewhere

Yeah , it 's  it 's really not a problem.


Well we can try it if you generate like the same set of files just up to that point where we stopped anyway and just sti stick them somewhere

Yeah , it 's  it 's really not a problem.


Yeah , it 's  it 's really not a problem.

Don't stop. Don't stop at that part because we 're actually using the entire conversation to estimate the speaker parameters ,


Don't stop. Don't stop at that part because we 're actually using the entire conversation to estimate the speaker parameters ,


Don't stop. Don't stop at that part because we 're actually using the entire conversation to estimate the speaker parameters ,

so shouldn't use  you should s you know , get


Don't stop. Don't stop at that part because we 're actually using the entire conversation to estimate the speaker parameters ,

so shouldn't use  you should s you know , get

Yeah , I mean I 'll  I have to do is eh e the reference file would stay the same ,


so shouldn't use  you should s you know , get

Yeah , I mean I 'll  I have to do is eh e the reference file would stay the same ,


Yeah , I mean I 'll  I have to do is eh e the reference file would stay the same ,

it 's just the individual segments would be approximately twice as long


it 's just the individual segments would be approximately twice as long


it 's just the individual segments would be approximately twice as long

and I could just replace them with the bigger ones in the directory ,


and I could just replace them with the bigger ones in the directory ,


I mean I hand - edited the whole  the whole meeting so that can be run it 's just  Once we get the  the bug out.


I mean I hand - edited the whole  the whole meeting so that can be run it 's just  Once we get the  the bug out.

One  one question which is I  I had the impression  from this  from this meeting that w that I transcribed that um that there was already automatic downsampling occurring ,


One  one question which is I  I had the impression  from this  from this meeting that w that I transcribed that um that there was already automatic downsampling occurring ,


so it was  so it 's like there 's already down


so it was  so it 's like there 's already down

There 's one level that 's already happening right here.


so it was  so it 's like there 's already down

There 's one level that 's already happening right here.

This is being recorded at forty - eight kilohertz. Which is more that anybody needs


There 's one level that 's already happening right here.

This is being recorded at forty - eight kilohertz. Which is more that anybody needs


This is being recorded at forty - eight kilohertz. Which is more that anybody needs


And that 's actually said in your meeting ,


That 's exactly , and that 's how I know it.


That 's exactly , and that 's how I know it.

I  I  It 's like are we downsampling to sixteen ?


That 's exactly , and that 's how I know it.

I  I  It 's like are we downsampling to sixteen ?

It 's a digital audio orientation for the board


I  I  It 's like are we downsampling to sixteen ?

It 's a digital audio orientation for the board


It 's a digital audio orientation for the board


And I have no idea what filter it 's using ,


And I have no idea what filter it 's using ,

Is eight kilohertz  is  is eighty kilohertz generally accepted as like standard for voice ?


Is eight kilohertz  is  is eighty kilohertz generally accepted as like standard for voice ?


Yeah that 's what I was gonna say , I mean like


Yeah that 's what I was gonna say , I mean like

So it 's  it 's  it 's just that they were operating from Switchboard which was a completely telephone database


Yeah that 's what I was gonna say , I mean like

So it 's  it 's  it 's just that they were operating from Switchboard which was a completely telephone database

and so that was a standard for that sixteen s


So it 's  it 's  it 's just that they were operating from Switchboard which was a completely telephone database

and so that was a standard for that sixteen s


and so that was a standard for that sixteen s

So sixteen seems to be pretty typical for with this sort of thing.


and so that was a standard for that sixteen s

So sixteen seems to be pretty typical for with this sort of thing.

Sixteen is more common for  for uh broadband stuff that isn't


So sixteen seems to be pretty typical for with this sort of thing.

Sixteen is more common for  for uh broadband stuff that isn't


Sixteen is more common for  for uh broadband stuff that isn't


And I guess if you 're comparing like  uh if you wanna run recognition on the PZM stuff you would want you don't want to downsample the wh that


right ? Well I don I mean if it 's any better


right ? Well I don I mean if it 's any better

No actually I would think that you would  you would get better  you 'd get better high frequencies in the local mike.


right ? Well I don I mean if it 's any better

No actually I would think that you would  you would get better  you 'd get better high frequencies in the local mike.

Uh but who knows ? I mean we do  we  we  we  we  we wanna find all this stuff out ,


No actually I would think that you would  you would get better  you 'd get better high frequencies in the local mike.

Uh but who knows ? I mean we do  we  we  we  we  we wanna find all this stuff out ,


Uh but who knows ? I mean we do  we  we  we  we  we wanna find all this stuff out ,


We 're gonna have plenty of low frequency on the P Z Ms with the fans.


We 're gonna have plenty of low frequency on the P Z Ms with the fans.

Oh yeah there was just one more thing I wanted to say which is totally unrelated to the recognition except that um well  well it 's sort of related but um good news also uh I got  well Chuck Fillmore agreed to record meetings but he had too many people in his meetings and that 's too bad cuz they 're very animated and but uh Jerry also agreed so uh we 're starting on  on


Oh yeah there was just one more thing I wanted to say which is totally unrelated to the recognition except that um well  well it 's sort of related but um good news also uh I got  well Chuck Fillmore agreed to record meetings but he had too many people in his meetings and that 's too bad cuz they 're very animated and but uh Jerry also agreed so uh we 're starting on  on


Oh yeah there was just one more thing I wanted to say which is totally unrelated to the recognition except that um well  well it 's sort of related but um good news also uh I got  well Chuck Fillmore agreed to record meetings but he had too many people in his meetings and that 's too bad cuz they 're very animated and but uh Jerry also agreed so uh we 're starting on  on

Well but he has fewer  he  he won't have more than eight and it 's a meeting on even deeper understanding , EDU , so that sounds interesting. As a compliment to our front - end meeting


Well but he has fewer  he  he won't have more than eight and it 's a meeting on even deeper understanding , EDU , so that sounds interesting. As a compliment to our front - end meeting

and um so that 's gonna start Monday and one of the things that I was realizing is um it would be really great if anyone has any ideas on some kind of time synchronous way that people in the meeting can make a comment to the person whose gonna transcribe it or  or put a  push a button or something when they wanna make a note about " oh boy you should probably erase those last few " or uh " wait I want this not to be recorded now " or uh something like that s


Well but he has fewer  he  he won't have more than eight and it 's a meeting on even deeper understanding , EDU , so that sounds interesting. As a compliment to our front - end meeting

and um so that 's gonna start Monday and one of the things that I was realizing is um it would be really great if anyone has any ideas on some kind of time synchronous way that people in the meeting can make a comment to the person whose gonna transcribe it or  or put a  push a button or something when they wanna make a note about " oh boy you should probably erase those last few " or uh " wait I want this not to be recorded now " or uh something like that s

Weren't we gonna do something with a pad at one point ?


and um so that 's gonna start Monday and one of the things that I was realizing is um it would be really great if anyone has any ideas on some kind of time synchronous way that people in the meeting can make a comment to the person whose gonna transcribe it or  or put a  push a button or something when they wanna make a note about " oh boy you should probably erase those last few " or uh " wait I want this not to be recorded now " or uh something like that s

Weren't we gonna do something with a pad at one point ?


and um so that 's gonna start Monday and one of the things that I was realizing is um it would be really great if anyone has any ideas on some kind of time synchronous way that people in the meeting can make a comment to the person whose gonna transcribe it or  or put a  push a button or something when they wanna make a note about " oh boy you should probably erase those last few " or uh " wait I want this not to be recorded now " or uh something like that s

Weren't we gonna do something with a pad at one point ?

Yeah , we could do it with the cross pads.


Weren't we gonna do something with a pad at one point ?

Yeah , we could do it with the cross pads.

Cuz I was thinking you know if  if the person who sets up the meeting isn't there and it 's a group that we don't know um and this came up talking to  to Jerry also that you know is there any way for them to indicate  to make sure that the qu request that they have that they make explicitly get addressed somehow


Yeah , we could do it with the cross pads.

Cuz I was thinking you know if  if the person who sets up the meeting isn't there and it 's a group that we don't know um and this came up talking to  to Jerry also that you know is there any way for them to indicate  to make sure that the qu request that they have that they make explicitly get addressed somehow


Yeah , we could do it with the cross pads.

Cuz I was thinking you know if  if the person who sets up the meeting isn't there and it 's a group that we don't know um and this came up talking to  to Jerry also that you know is there any way for them to indicate  to make sure that the qu request that they have that they make explicitly get addressed somehow

so I don't know if anyone has ideas or  you could even write down " oh it 's about three twenty five and "


Cuz I was thinking you know if  if the person who sets up the meeting isn't there and it 's a group that we don't know um and this came up talking to  to Jerry also that you know is there any way for them to indicate  to make sure that the qu request that they have that they make explicitly get addressed somehow

so I don't know if anyone has ideas or  you could even write down " oh it 's about three twenty five and "

Well what I was just suggesting is  is we have these  this cross pad just for this purpose


so I don't know if anyone has ideas or  you could even write down " oh it 's about three twenty five and "

Well what I was just suggesting is  is we have these  this cross pad just for this purpose


Well what I was just suggesting is  is we have these  this cross pad just for this purpose


I don't know if you know this or if it 's a question for the mail to Dan but is this thing of two eight channel boards a maximum for this setup or could we go to a third board ?


I don't know if you know this or if it 's a question for the mail to Dan but is this thing of two eight channel boards a maximum for this setup or could we go to a third board ?

I don't know. I don't know. I 'll send mail to Dan and ask. I  I think that it 's the maximum we can do without a lot of effort because it 's one board with two digital channels.


I don't know if you know this or if it 's a question for the mail to Dan but is this thing of two eight channel boards a maximum for this setup or could we go to a third board ?

I don't know. I don't know. I 'll send mail to Dan and ask. I  I think that it 's the maximum we can do without a lot of effort because it 's one board with two digital channels.

E eight each. So it  it takes two fibers in to the one board. And so w I think if we wanna do that  more than that we 'd have to have two boards , and then you have the synchronization issue.


I don't know. I don't know. I 'll send mail to Dan and ask. I  I think that it 's the maximum we can do without a lot of effort because it 's one board with two digital channels.

E eight each. So it  it takes two fibers in to the one board. And so w I think if we wanna do that  more than that we 'd have to have two boards , and then you have the synchronization issue.

But that 's a question because that would  if it was possible cuz it is i you know already we have a  a  a group of people in this room that cannot all be miked


E eight each. So it  it takes two fibers in to the one board. And so w I think if we wanna do that  more than that we 'd have to have two boards , and then you have the synchronization issue.

But that 's a question because that would  if it was possible cuz it is i you know already we have a  a  a group of people in this room that cannot all be miked


E eight each. So it  it takes two fibers in to the one board. And so w I think if we wanna do that  more than that we 'd have to have two boards , and then you have the synchronization issue.

But that 's a question because that would  if it was possible cuz it is i you know already we have a  a  a group of people in this room that cannot all be miked

and it 's not just cuz we haven't been to the store , right it 's


But that 's a question because that would  if it was possible cuz it is i you know already we have a  a  a group of people in this room that cannot all be miked

and it 's not just cuz we haven't been to the store , right it 's

What is the limit on each of those f fiber channels , is it the


and it 's not just cuz we haven't been to the store , right it 's

What is the limit on each of those f fiber channels , is it the


and it 's not just cuz we haven't been to the store , right it 's

What is the limit on each of those f fiber channels , is it the

It just  it 's eight channels come in , does it have do with the sampling rate ?


What is the limit on each of those f fiber channels , is it the

It just  it 's eight channels come in , does it have do with the sampling rate ?

It 's eight. I have no idea. But each  each fiber channel has eight  eight channels and there are two ch two fibers that go in to the card.


It just  it 's eight channels come in , does it have do with the sampling rate ?

It 's eight. I have no idea. But each  each fiber channel has eight  eight channels and there are two ch two fibers that go in to the card.


It 's eight. I have no idea. But each  each fiber channel has eight  eight channels and there are two ch two fibers that go in to the card.

I mean one thing is it  the whole thing as I said is  is all structured in terms of forty - eight kilohertz sampling so that pushes requirements up a bit


I mean one thing is it  the whole thing as I said is  is all structured in terms of forty - eight kilohertz sampling so that pushes requirements up a bit


I mean one thing is it  the whole thing as I said is  is all structured in terms of forty - eight kilohertz sampling so that pushes requirements up a bit

I was just wondering if  if that could change.


I was just wondering if  if that could change.

I mean then we 'd also have to get another ADD and another mixer and all that sort of stuff.


I mean then we 'd also have to get another ADD and another mixer and all that sort of stuff.

So I  I 'll send a mail to Dan and ask him.


So I  I 'll send a mail to Dan and ask him.


So I  I 'll send a mail to Dan and ask him.

OK on the uh are we done with that ? So the oth topic is uh getting more mikes and different mikes , so I got a quote um We can fit  we have room for one more wireless and the wireless , this unit here is three fifty  three hundred fifty dollars , it  I didn't realize but we also have to get a tuner  the receiver  the other end , that 's uh four thirty um and then also


OK on the uh are we done with that ? So the oth topic is uh getting more mikes and different mikes , so I got a quote um We can fit  we have room for one more wireless and the wireless , this unit here is three fifty  three hundred fifty dollars , it  I didn't realize but we also have to get a tuner  the receiver  the other end , that 's uh four thirty um and then also


OK on the uh are we done with that ? So the oth topic is uh getting more mikes and different mikes , so I got a quote um We can fit  we have room for one more wireless and the wireless , this unit here is three fifty  three hundred fifty dollars , it  I didn't realize but we also have to get a tuner  the receiver  the other end , that 's uh four thirty um and then also

I mean the tuner is four thirty for each.


I mean the tuner is four thirty for each.


Yeah. So that 's you know something like seven hundred eighty bucks for one more of these.


Yeah. So that 's you know something like seven hundred eighty bucks for one more of these.

Um and then also um It turns out that the connector that this thing uses is proprietary of Sony


Um and then also um It turns out that the connector that this thing uses is proprietary of Sony

believe it or not and Sony only sells this headset.


believe it or not and Sony only sells this headset.

So if we wanna use a different set  headset the solution that the guy suggested and they  apparently lots of people have done is Sony will sell you the jack with just wires coming out the end and then you can buy a headset that has pigtail and solder it yourself. And that 's the other solution and so the jacks are forty bucks apiece and the  he recommended um a crown CM three eleven AE headset for two hundred bucks apiece.


believe it or not and Sony only sells this headset.

So if we wanna use a different set  headset the solution that the guy suggested and they  apparently lots of people have done is Sony will sell you the jack with just wires coming out the end and then you can buy a headset that has pigtail and solder it yourself. And that 's the other solution and so the jacks are forty bucks apiece and the  he recommended um a crown CM three eleven AE headset for two hundred bucks apiece.

There isn't this some sort of thing that plugs in , you actually have to go and do the soldering yourself ?


So if we wanna use a different set  headset the solution that the guy suggested and they  apparently lots of people have done is Sony will sell you the jack with just wires coming out the end and then you can buy a headset that has pigtail and solder it yourself. And that 's the other solution and so the jacks are forty bucks apiece and the  he recommended um a crown CM three eleven AE headset for two hundred bucks apiece.

There isn't this some sort of thing that plugs in , you actually have to go and do the soldering yourself ?

Becau - the reason is the only  only thing you can get that will plug into this is this mike or just the connector.


So if we wanna use a different set  headset the solution that the guy suggested and they  apparently lots of people have done is Sony will sell you the jack with just wires coming out the end and then you can buy a headset that has pigtail and solder it yourself. And that 's the other solution and so the jacks are forty bucks apiece and the  he recommended um a crown CM three eleven AE headset for two hundred bucks apiece.

There isn't this some sort of thing that plugs in , you actually have to go and do the soldering yourself ?

Becau - the reason is the only  only thing you can get that will plug into this is this mike or just the connector.

No I understand. The reason I ask is these sort of handmade uh wiring jobs fall apart in use so the other thing is to see if we can uh get them to do a custom job and put it together for this.


There isn't this some sort of thing that plugs in , you actually have to go and do the soldering yourself ?

Becau - the reason is the only  only thing you can get that will plug into this is this mike or just the connector.

No I understand. The reason I ask is these sort of handmade uh wiring jobs fall apart in use so the other thing is to see if we can uh get them to do a custom job and put it together for this.

Oh I 'm sure they would , they would just charge us ,


Becau - the reason is the only  only thing you can get that will plug into this is this mike or just the connector.

No I understand. The reason I ask is these sort of handmade uh wiring jobs fall apart in use so the other thing is to see if we can uh get them to do a custom job and put it together for this.

Oh I 'm sure they would , they would just charge us ,

Well , and they 'd probably want quantity too ,


No I understand. The reason I ask is these sort of handmade uh wiring jobs fall apart in use so the other thing is to see if we can uh get them to do a custom job and put it together for this.

Oh I 'm sure they would , they would just charge us ,

Well , and they 'd probably want quantity too ,


Oh I 'm sure they would , they would just charge us ,

Well , and they 'd probably want quantity too ,


Well , and they 'd probably want quantity too ,


no they 'll just charge us more , so it 's  this


no they 'll just charge us more , so it 's  this

So  so my question is should we go ahead and get na nine identical head - mounted crown mikes ?


no they 'll just charge us more , so it 's  this

So  so my question is should we go ahead and get na nine identical head - mounted crown mikes ?

Not before having one come here and have some people try it out.


So  so my question is should we go ahead and get na nine identical head - mounted crown mikes ?

Not before having one come here and have some people try it out.


So  so my question is should we go ahead and get na nine identical head - mounted crown mikes ?

Not before having one come here and have some people try it out.

Because there 's no point in doing that if it 's not gonna be any better.


Not before having one come here and have some people try it out.

Because there 's no point in doing that if it 's not gonna be any better.

So why don't we get one of these with the crown with a different headset ?


Because there 's no point in doing that if it 's not gonna be any better.

So why don't we get one of these with the crown with a different headset ?


So why don't we get one of these with the crown with a different headset ?

And see if it 's preferable and if it is then we 'll get more.


And see if it 's preferable and if it is then we 'll get more.


Cuz I mean I think the microphones are OK it 's just the  the


Cuz I mean I think the microphones are OK it 's just the  the

Right , it 's just they 're not comfortable to wear.


Right , it 's just they 're not comfortable to wear.

Um , and he said they don't have any of these in stock but they have them in LA and so it will take about a week to get here.


Um , and he said they don't have any of these in stock but they have them in LA and so it will take about a week to get here.


Um , and he said they don't have any of these in stock but they have them in LA and so it will take about a week to get here.

We 're in this for the long term , yeah. Just order it.


We 're in this for the long term , yeah. Just order it.


We 're in this for the long term , yeah. Just order it.

and who is the contact if I wanna do an invoice


and who is the contact if I wanna do an invoice


and who is the contact if I wanna do an invoice

cuz I think that 's how we did it before.


cuz I think that 's how we did it before.


cuz I think that 's how we did it before.

OK. And then nine channels is the maximum we can do , so.


OK. And then nine channels is the maximum we can do , so.

Uh y right cuz  so one is for the daisy chain so that 's fifteen instead of sixteen


OK. And then nine channels is the maximum we can do , so.

Uh y right cuz  so one is for the daisy chain so that 's fifteen instead of sixteen

and there 's six on the table so that 's nine.


Uh y right cuz  so one is for the daisy chain so that 's fifteen instead of sixteen

and there 's six on the table so that 's nine.


and there 's six on the table so that 's nine.


Is   is there any way we can have you know like a  a wireless microphone that you pass around to the people who you know the extra people for the times they wanna talk that


That 's not a dumb question , it 's a good idea ,


That 's not a dumb question , it 's a good idea ,

Like uh like you know Jerry Springer thing ,


Like uh like you know Jerry Springer thing ,

I 'm just not sure how we would handle that in the


I 'm just not sure how we would handle that in the


well but there might be a way to say that there are gonna be these different people


well but there might be a way to say that there are gonna be these different people

um and I don't know identifying somehow ?


um and I don't know identifying somehow ?


You know I was just thinking of Jerry Springer.


You know I was just thinking of Jerry Springer.

that 's a very  if we can't get another board and even if we can I have a feeling they 'll be some work.


that 's a very  if we can't get another board and even if we can I have a feeling they 'll be some work.


that 's a very  if we can't get another board and even if we can I have a feeling they 'll be some work.

I mean for the few times that you might wanna have that.


that 's a very  if we can't get another board and even if we can I have a feeling they 'll be some work.

I mean for the few times that you might wanna have that.

Let 's figure that we have eight which are set up and then there 's a ninth which is passed around to


I mean for the few times that you might wanna have that.

Let 's figure that we have eight which are set up and then there 's a ninth which is passed around to


Let 's figure that we have eight which are set up and then there 's a ninth which is passed around to


Right. Kind of rules out overlap but   but uh


Right. Kind of rules out overlap but   but uh

Well or also for you know if people are not


Right. Kind of rules out overlap but   but uh

Well or also for you know if people are not

Well we could just hand around the lapel.


Well or also for you know if people are not

Well we could just hand around the lapel.


Well we could just hand around the lapel.


Well I mean is the  is the hand - held really any better ?


but I d I know the lapel is really suboptimal.


but I d I know the lapel is really suboptimal.

but hand  many hand - helds are built wi with sort of uh anti - shock sort of things so that it  it is less uh susceptible to hand noises. If you hold the lapel mike i you just get all k sorts of junk.


but hand  many hand - helds are built wi with sort of uh anti - shock sort of things so that it  it is less uh susceptible to hand noises. If you hold the lapel mike i you just get all k sorts of junk.


but hand  many hand - helds are built wi with sort of uh anti - shock sort of things so that it  it is less uh susceptible to hand noises. If you hold the lapel mike i you just get all k sorts of junk.

Right. I mean the ones they really pass around must be sort of OK.


Right. I mean the ones they really pass around must be sort of OK.


Right. I mean the ones they really pass around must be sort of OK.

So I wonder if they have one that will hook up.


So I wonder if they have one that will hook up.


So I wonder if they have one that will hook up.

I wonder if they have one that will hook up to this or whether again we 'll have to wire it ourselves.


So I wonder if they have one that will hook up.

I wonder if they have one that will hook up to this or whether again we 'll have to wire it ourselves.

Well , you wouldn't want it to hook there you 'd just want it to hook into the receiver in the other room , right ?


I wonder if they have one that will hook up to this or whether again we 'll have to wire it ourselves.

Well , you wouldn't want it to hook there you 'd just want it to hook into the receiver in the other room , right ?


Well , you wouldn't want it to hook there you 'd just want it to hook into the receiver in the other room , right ?


Oh I see. Get a  get a different radio , yeah.


Oh I see. Get a  get a different radio , yeah.

Yeah just these ones that they pass around with no you know wireless


Oh I see. Get a  get a different radio , yeah.

Yeah just these ones that they pass around with no you know wireless

Yeah. But you need a ra but it has to correspond to the receiver.


Oh I see. Get a  get a different radio , yeah.

Yeah just these ones that they pass around with no you know wireless

Yeah. But you need a ra but it has to correspond to the receiver.

Have a little antenna coming out the bottom.


Yeah just these ones that they pass around with no you know wireless

Yeah. But you need a ra but it has to correspond to the receiver.

Have a little antenna coming out the bottom.

It 's gonna be much easier to get one of these and just plug in a mike , isn't it ?


Yeah. But you need a ra but it has to correspond to the receiver.

Have a little antenna coming out the bottom.

It 's gonna be much easier to get one of these and just plug in a mike , isn't it ?


Have a little antenna coming out the bottom.

It 's gonna be much easier to get one of these and just plug in a mike , isn't it ?

Do you have to hand it around and if you have two pieces of


It 's gonna be much easier to get one of these and just plug in a mike , isn't it ?

Do you have to hand it around and if you have two pieces of


Do you have to hand it around and if you have two pieces of


so right , so this is a good point , so yeah you have these  these mikes with a little antenna on the end right ?


so right , so this is a good point , so yeah you have these  these mikes with a little antenna on the end right ?

OK. And do you think you would be able to use the same receiver ?


so right , so this is a good point , so yeah you have these  these mikes with a little antenna on the end right ?

OK. And do you think you would be able to use the same receiver ?

I don't know. You 'll have to check with them ,


OK. And do you think you would be able to use the same receiver ?

I don't know. You 'll have to check with them ,


I don't know. You 'll have to check with them ,


and then just sort of have that as the  and then you can have groups of twenty people or whatever and  and uh


and then just sort of have that as the  and then you can have groups of twenty people or whatever and  and uh

Yeah because there 's only I mean as Andreas pointed out actually I think in the large  the larger the group the less interaction  the less people are talking um over each other


Yeah because there 's only I mean as Andreas pointed out actually I think in the large  the larger the group the less interaction  the less people are talking um over each other

it just  there might be a lot of people that speak once or twice and


it just  there might be a lot of people that speak once or twice and


OK so I guess people who have to leave can leave and do we have anything else to discuss or should we just do digits ?


OK so I guess people who have to leave can leave and do we have anything else to discuss or should we just do digits ?

I  I thought of some extra  a couple of extra things I 'd like to mention.


OK so I guess people who have to leave can leave and do we have anything else to discuss or should we just do digits ?

I  I thought of some extra  a couple of extra things I 'd like to mention.

One of them is to give you a status in terms of the transcriptions so far. So um as of last night um I 'd assigned twelve hours and they 'd finished nine


I  I thought of some extra  a couple of extra things I 'd like to mention.

One of them is to give you a status in terms of the transcriptions so far. So um as of last night um I 'd assigned twelve hours and they 'd finished nine


One of them is to give you a status in terms of the transcriptions so far. So um as of last night um I 'd assigned twelve hours and they 'd finished nine

and my goal was to have eleven done by the end of the month , I think that by tomorrow we 'll have ten.


and my goal was to have eleven done by the end of the month , I think that by tomorrow we 'll have ten.


I j and this  I got this email from Jane at like two in the morning or something


Thanks. And then um also an idea for another meeting , which would be to have the transcribers talk about the data It 's sort of a  a little bit  a little bit


That 's a great idea cuz I 'd like to g have it recorded so that we can remember all the little things ,


That 's a great idea cuz I 'd like to g have it recorded so that we can remember all the little things ,

I 'd love to hear what they have to say.


I 'd love to hear what they have to say.


I 'd love to hear what they have to say.

So if we got them to talk about this meeting , it would be a meta  meta meeting.


So if we got them to talk about this meeting , it would be a meta  meta meeting.

Yeah. Yeah , exa  exactly I guess  nested several layers ,


So if we got them to talk about this meeting , it would be a meta  meta meeting.

Yeah. Yeah , exa  exactly I guess  nested several layers ,

Now you have eight transcribers and there 's ten of us


Yeah. Yeah , exa  exactly I guess  nested several layers ,

Now you have eight transcribers and there 's ten of us

so how do we do this , is the only thing.


Now you have eight transcribers and there 's ten of us

so how do we do this , is the only thing.

Or just have them talk amongst themselves.


so how do we do this , is the only thing.

Or just have them talk amongst themselves.


Or just have them talk amongst themselves.


yeah. Have them talk about the data and they  and they 've made observations to me


yeah. Have them talk about the data and they  and they 've made observations to me

like they say uh you know this meeting that we think has so much overlap , in fact it does but there are other groups of similar size that have very little , you know it 's part of it 's  it 's the norm of the group and all that and they have various observations that would be fun , I think.


like they say uh you know this meeting that we think has so much overlap , in fact it does but there are other groups of similar size that have very little , you know it 's part of it 's  it 's the norm of the group and all that and they have various observations that would be fun , I think.

Yeah , I 'd like to hear what they s say.


Yeah , I 'd like to hear what they s say.


Yeah , I 'd like to hear what they s say.

So maybe we could  they could have a meeting more or less without us that  to do this and we should record it


So maybe we could  they could have a meeting more or less without us that  to do this and we should record it


So maybe we could  they could have a meeting more or less without us that  to do this and we should record it

and then maybe one or two of them could come to one of these meetings and  and could you know could tell us about it.


and then maybe one or two of them could come to one of these meetings and  and could you know could tell us about it.


It 's  they will get to transcribe their own meeting but they also get paid for having a break


I 'm really sorry I have to g no I have to go as well.


I 'm really sorry I have to g no I have to go as well.

And then I wanted to also um say something about the Fiscus uh uh John  John Fiscus visit tomorrow. And Which is to say that w it 'll be from nine to one that I 'm going to uh uh offer the organization  allow him to uh adjust it if he wishes but to be basically in three parts , the acoustic part coming first which would be basically the room engineering aspects um other things and he 'll be also presenting what NIST is doing and  and uh then uh number two would be sort of a the  the transcription process so this would be a focus on like presegmentation and the modifications to the  the multitrans interface which allows more refined encoding of the beginnings and ends of the overlapping segments which uh Dave Gelbart 's been doing and then um uh and of course the presegmentation Thilo 's been doing and then um the third part would  and again he has some stuff that 's i relevant with respect to NIST and then the third one would be focus on transcription standards so at NIST he 's interested in this establishment of a global encoding standard I guess I would say and I want it , you know k yeah see what they 're doing and also present what  what we 've chosen as ours and  and discuss that kind of thing. And so but he 's only here until until one and actually we 're thinking of noon being uh lunch time so basically hoping that we can get as much of this done as possible before noon. S


And then I wanted to also um say something about the Fiscus uh uh John  John Fiscus visit tomorrow. And Which is to say that w it 'll be from nine to one that I 'm going to uh uh offer the organization  allow him to uh adjust it if he wishes but to be basically in three parts , the acoustic part coming first which would be basically the room engineering aspects um other things and he 'll be also presenting what NIST is doing and  and uh then uh number two would be sort of a the  the transcription process so this would be a focus on like presegmentation and the modifications to the  the multitrans interface which allows more refined encoding of the beginnings and ends of the overlapping segments which uh Dave Gelbart 's been doing and then um uh and of course the presegmentation Thilo 's been doing and then um the third part would  and again he has some stuff that 's i relevant with respect to NIST and then the third one would be focus on transcription standards so at NIST he 's interested in this establishment of a global encoding standard I guess I would say and I want it , you know k yeah see what they 're doing and also present what  what we 've chosen as ours and  and discuss that kind of thing. And so but he 's only here until until one and actually we 're thinking of noon being uh lunch time so basically hoping that we can get as much of this done as possible before noon. S

And everybody who wants to attend is welcome. So


And everybody who wants to attend is welcome. So

yeah. Here mostly but I 've also reserved the BARCO room um eh to figure out how that works in terms of like maybe having a live demonstration.


And everybody who wants to attend is welcome. So

yeah. Here mostly but I 've also reserved the BARCO room um eh to figure out how that works in terms of like maybe having a live demonstration.

OK but the nine o ' cl nine o ' clock will be i be in here. Yeah , OK.


yeah. Here mostly but I 've also reserved the BARCO room um eh to figure out how that works in terms of like maybe having a live demonstration.

OK but the nine o ' cl nine o ' clock will be i be in here. Yeah , OK.


yeah. Here mostly but I 've also reserved the BARCO room um eh to figure out how that works in terms of like maybe having a live demonstration.

OK but the nine o ' cl nine o ' clock will be i be in here. Yeah , OK.

I assume we 're not gonna try to record it ?


OK but the nine o ' cl nine o ' clock will be i be in here. Yeah , OK.

I assume we 're not gonna try to record it ?


I assume we 're not gonna try to record it ?


Uh should y we make him wear Andreas ' mike or would that just be too confusing ?


Uh should y we make him wear Andreas ' mike or would that just be too confusing ?

Yeah. No I don't think it 's confusing. Well , it doesn't confuse me.


Uh should y we make him wear Andreas ' mike or would that just be too confusing ?

Yeah. No I don't think it 's confusing. Well , it doesn't confuse me.

When we do this in the key  in the key  in the key it has to indicate that channel change ,


Yeah. No I don't think it 's confusing. Well , it doesn't confuse me.

When we do this in the key  in the key  in the key it has to indicate that channel change ,


When we do this in the key  in the key  in the key it has to indicate that channel change ,

Uh yeah I just don't know how we would do that , so. I mean other than free  free form.


Uh yeah I just don't know how we would do that , so. I mean other than free  free form.


Uh yeah I just don't know how we would do that , so. I mean other than free  free form.

The on switch is here on the  on the top there.


The on switch is here on the  on the top there.


OK , my name is uh Espen Eriksen. I 'm a Norwegian. Um uh this is my second semester at Berkeley. Currently I 'm taking uh my first graduate level courses in DSP and um when I come back to Norway I 'm gonna continue with the  more of a research project work  kind of work. So this semester I 'm starting up with a  with a small project through uh Dave Gelbart which I 'm taking a course with I got in touch with him and he told me about this project. So with the help of uh Dan Ellis I 'm gonna do small project associated to this. What I 'm gonna try to do is uh use  use ech echo cancellation to uh to handle the periods where you have overlapping talk. To try to do something about that. So currently I 'm um I 'm just reading up on echo cancellation , s looking into the theory behind that and then uh hopefully I get some results. So it  it 's a  it 's a project goes over the course of one semester.


OK , my name is uh Espen Eriksen. I 'm a Norwegian. Um uh this is my second semester at Berkeley. Currently I 'm taking uh my first graduate level courses in DSP and um when I come back to Norway I 'm gonna continue with the  more of a research project work  kind of work. So this semester I 'm starting up with a  with a small project through uh Dave Gelbart which I 'm taking a course with I got in touch with him and he told me about this project. So with the help of uh Dan Ellis I 'm gonna do small project associated to this. What I 'm gonna try to do is uh use  use ech echo cancellation to uh to handle the periods where you have overlapping talk. To try to do something about that. So currently I 'm um I 'm just reading up on echo cancellation , s looking into the theory behind that and then uh hopefully I get some results. So it  it 's a  it 's a project goes over the course of one semester.

So I 'm just here today to introduce myself. Tell about I 'll be  I 'll be working on this.


OK , my name is uh Espen Eriksen. I 'm a Norwegian. Um uh this is my second semester at Berkeley. Currently I 'm taking uh my first graduate level courses in DSP and um when I come back to Norway I 'm gonna continue with the  more of a research project work  kind of work. So this semester I 'm starting up with a  with a small project through uh Dave Gelbart which I 'm taking a course with I got in touch with him and he told me about this project. So with the help of uh Dan Ellis I 'm gonna do small project associated to this. What I 'm gonna try to do is uh use  use ech echo cancellation to uh to handle the periods where you have overlapping talk. To try to do something about that. So currently I 'm um I 'm just reading up on echo cancellation , s looking into the theory behind that and then uh hopefully I get some results. So it  it 's a  it 's a project goes over the course of one semester.

So I 'm just here today to introduce myself. Tell about I 'll be  I 'll be working on this.

And are you staying at Berkeley or is  are you just here a semester ?


So I 'm just here today to introduce myself. Tell about I 'll be  I 'll be working on this.

And are you staying at Berkeley or is  are you just here a semester ?


And are you staying at Berkeley or is  are you just here a semester ?


He 's in the  he 's in the cour two two five D course.


Then you  then you go back to Norway , that 's OK.


Then you  then you go back to Norway , that 's OK.

We were just talking about something like this yesterday or yeah yesterday with Liz. About doing some of the  echo cancellation stuff or possibly the spectroanalysis over the overlaps , so. Cool.


We were just talking about something like this yesterday or yeah yesterday with Liz. About doing some of the  echo cancellation stuff or possibly the spectroanalysis over the overlaps , so. Cool.


Uh I think the first thing we do is introduce ourselves


Uh I think the first thing we do is introduce ourselves

and everybody's name and what your function is ?


and everybody's name and what your function is ?


and everybody's name and what your function is ?

Okay. Yeah , my name is Francina. And I'm uh an user interface  my role is uh  the main responsibility is user interface.


Okay. Yeah , my name is Francina. And I'm uh an user interface  my role is uh  the main responsibility is user interface.


Okay. Yeah , my name is Francina. And I'm uh an user interface  my role is uh  the main responsibility is user interface.

And my role is to design uh a television remote control.


And my role is to design uh a television remote control.

And I'm a marketing person. I wanna figure out how to sell them.


And I'm a marketing person. I wanna figure out how to sell them.


Yeah. Uh I'm Jeanne-Oui. Um uh my role is industrial designer and my responsibilities are uh uh um deal with the  technical-functional designs and specifications of user interface and dealing with user interface design.


Yeah. Uh I'm Jeanne-Oui. Um uh my role is industrial designer and my responsibilities are uh uh um deal with the  technical-functional designs and specifications of user interface and dealing with user interface design.

Very good. And as you already know I am Betty. I am the project manager for today. So why don't we look at the presentation  to see what we really are supposed to do.  Um.


Yeah. Uh I'm Jeanne-Oui. Um uh my role is industrial designer and my responsibilities are uh uh um deal with the  technical-functional designs and specifications of user interface and dealing with user interface design.

Very good. And as you already know I am Betty. I am the project manager for today. So why don't we look at the presentation  to see what we really are supposed to do.  Um.

Yes y opening , acquaintance , tool training  well , the tools are , I think , we already  I guess the tool is really our  the computer , as far as I can see.


Very good. And as you already know I am Betty. I am the project manager for today. So why don't we look at the presentation  to see what we really are supposed to do.  Um.

Yes y opening , acquaintance , tool training  well , the tools are , I think , we already  I guess the tool is really our  the computer , as far as I can see.


Yes y opening , acquaintance , tool training  well , the tools are , I think , we already  I guess the tool is really our  the computer , as far as I can see.

Uh we get ins each of us will get instructions and we'll take it from there. Project plan , that falls under the same heading pretty much. Um , I don't think we have any great discussion at this point.


Uh we get ins each of us will get instructions and we'll take it from there. Project plan , that falls under the same heading pretty much. Um , I don't think we have any great discussion at this point.

Um. Here is what this thing should be. This thing we are gonna um uh design is a new remote control. Uh should be original  , trendy , and , of course , user friendly.


Um. Here is what this thing should be. This thing we are gonna um uh design is a new remote control. Uh should be original  , trendy , and , of course , user friendly.

So maybe you wanna make some notes of that.


So maybe you wanna make some notes of that.


All right.  Here is what the functional design is supposed to achieve. Um. That is it's gonna be individual work and then at the meeting we'll discuss what uh we have come up with. The same goes for the conceptual design , there will be individual work whic and then discussion afterwards. Detailed design , same thing basically.


All right.  Here is what the functional design is supposed to achieve. Um. That is it's gonna be individual work and then at the meeting we'll discuss what uh we have come up with. The same goes for the conceptual design , there will be individual work whic and then discussion afterwards. Detailed design , same thing basically.

Mm 'kay so  Three different types of design that we're gonna be concerned with okay.


Mm 'kay so  Three different types of design that we're gonna be concerned with okay.


After we've finished the remote control we'll get to that.


After we've finished the remote control we'll get to that.

Yeah , okay. All right ? Then , tool training try out the white board , participant can draw their favourite animal. Does anybody want to go and see how the white board works ? So that in case we have to , in the next meeting , present something on the white board. You wanna go Eileen and


Yeah , okay. All right ? Then , tool training try out the white board , participant can draw their favourite animal. Does anybody want to go and see how the white board works ? So that in case we have to , in the next meeting , present something on the white board. You wanna go Eileen and

See if I r See if I remember how to draw a kitty cat or a rabbit or something.


See if I r See if I remember how to draw a kitty cat or a rabbit or something.

And remember you have to press so it works.


And remember you have to press so it works.


And you're Francine , right ? Would you like s like just to see um how it feels , so that you have a little idea ?


I hope the kitty cat is hungry 'cause I don't like snakes.


I hope the kitty cat is hungry 'cause I don't like snakes.

Here's the project finance uh which , of course , we all have to think about when we design this thing. Um selling price is supposed to be twenty five Euro. Uh profit aim for the company is fifty million Euro ,


I hope the kitty cat is hungry 'cause I don't like snakes.

Here's the project finance uh which , of course , we all have to think about when we design this thing. Um selling price is supposed to be twenty five Euro. Uh profit aim for the company is fifty million Euro ,

the market range unlimited meaning international


Here's the project finance uh which , of course , we all have to think about when we design this thing. Um selling price is supposed to be twenty five Euro. Uh profit aim for the company is fifty million Euro ,

the market range unlimited meaning international


the market range unlimited meaning international

and the production cost should not exceed  hopefully should be less than twelve fifty Euro.


the market range unlimited meaning international

and the production cost should not exceed  hopefully should be less than twelve fifty Euro.

Mm 'kay that should keep everybody on their toes and challenged.


and the production cost should not exceed  hopefully should be less than twelve fifty Euro.

Mm 'kay that should keep everybody on their toes and challenged.


Mm 'kay that should keep everybody on their toes and challenged.

So these are all things , of course , to remember with the budget and when you design  to materials , cost , etcetera. Now , uh the discussion I guess is um does anyone of you have experience with remote control ?


So these are all things , of course , to remember with the budget and when you design  to materials , cost , etcetera. Now , uh the discussion I guess is um does anyone of you have experience with remote control ?


So these are all things , of course , to remember with the budget and when you design  to materials , cost , etcetera. Now , uh the discussion I guess is um does anyone of you have experience with remote control ?

I exp I s 'cause we we use 'em  we use 'em , right , everyday.


So these are all things , of course , to remember with the budget and when you design  to materials , cost , etcetera. Now , uh the discussion I guess is um does anyone of you have experience with remote control ?

I exp I s 'cause we we use 'em  we use 'em , right , everyday.

Yeah , of course , using remote control. Yeah.


I exp I s 'cause we we use 'em  we use 'em , right , everyday.

Yeah , of course , using remote control. Yeah.


I exp I s 'cause we we use 'em  we use 'em , right , everyday.

Yeah , of course , using remote control. Yeah.

And um now having used a remote control for years does anybody already have like an idea like things you didn't like with it , things you would like to change , things you would like to improve with this thing ye any first ideas ? Would you like it to be smaller , bigger ,


Yeah , of course , using remote control. Yeah.

And um now having used a remote control for years does anybody already have like an idea like things you didn't like with it , things you would like to change , things you would like to improve with this thing ye any first ideas ? Would you like it to be smaller , bigger ,


And um now having used a remote control for years does anybody already have like an idea like things you didn't like with it , things you would like to change , things you would like to improve with this thing ye any first ideas ? Would you like it to be smaller , bigger ,

have more have more buttons on it or maybe clearly  better marked buttons , you know , things like that ?


have more have more buttons on it or maybe clearly  better marked buttons , you know , things like that ?


have more have more buttons on it or maybe clearly  better marked buttons , you know , things like that ?

Yes , I I feel that all the remote should be very compact.


Yes , I I feel that all the remote should be very compact.


Yes , I I feel that all the remote should be very compact.

Yeah , those which we get here nowadays it's very long.


Yeah , those which we get here nowadays it's very long.


Yeah , those which we get here nowadays it's very long.

And um and it should have multi-purpose. Like uh the remote control which we use for T_V_ , it shou uh it should be used f uh for some other purpose also , like controlling the uh temperature inside the house or for air-conditioners , or for heating system.


And um and it should have multi-purpose. Like uh the remote control which we use for T_V_ , it shou uh it should be used f uh for some other purpose also , like controlling the uh temperature inside the house or for air-conditioners , or for heating system.


And um and it should have multi-purpose. Like uh the remote control which we use for T_V_ , it shou uh it should be used f uh for some other purpose also , like controlling the uh temperature inside the house or for air-conditioners , or for heating system.

So it should be a multi-functional uh gadget that would um control all your household uh uh machines basically.


So it should be a multi-functional uh gadget that would um control all your household uh uh machines basically.


Well who knows if we get a really good designer maybe we can do that.


Well who knows if we get a really good designer maybe we can do that.

We certainly can try to  I agree with her that to market something successfully it should do some more things.


Well who knows if we get a really good designer maybe we can do that.

We certainly can try to  I agree with her that to market something successfully it should do some more things.

It should be something new  it should be s it it should do something different than than just what we have.


We certainly can try to  I agree with her that to market something successfully it should do some more things.

It should be something new  it should be s it it should do something different than than just what we have.


We certainly can try to  I agree with her that to market something successfully it should do some more things.

It should be something new  it should be s it it should do something different than than just what we have.

Now , of course , the other thing to think there is maybe the design.


It should be something new  it should be s it it should do something different than than just what we have.

Now , of course , the other thing to think there is maybe the design.


Now , of course , the other thing to think there is maybe the design.


Now , of course , the other thing to think there is maybe the design.

Yeah , design should be , yeah  it should be different. All the  almost all the remotes


Yeah , design should be , yeah  it should be different. All the  almost all the remotes

Like trendy no like f for earlier we saw maybe it should be something trendy you know. Maybe it should  different colours or materials or you know.


Like trendy no like f for earlier we saw maybe it should be something trendy you know. Maybe it should  different colours or materials or you know.


Um so yeah shapes right , you know , like kidney shape feels better in your hand or something , you know.


Um so yeah shapes right , you know , like kidney shape feels better in your hand or something , you know.

Yeah okay , friendly shape , that would help.


Yeah okay , friendly shape , that would help.


Yeah okay , friendly shape , that would help.

I think another thing that would help is um if it beeps when you clap ,


I think another thing that would help is um if it beeps when you clap ,

because I think one of the big things that happens is people lose them. They can't find it.


because I think one of the big things that happens is people lose them. They can't find it.

because they put a newspaper or they put it behind a plant or , we you know , whatever.


because they put a newspaper or they put it behind a plant or , we you know , whatever.

And and they  suddenly the phone rings and they want to turn the T_V_ off and they say , where the hell is my  my remote control yeah ?


And and they  suddenly the phone rings and they want to turn the T_V_ off and they say , where the hell is my  my remote control yeah ?

Well or yeah or if it's really , if it's really in a dark spot that it gives out a a sound or a signal.


Well or yeah or if it's really , if it's really in a dark spot that it gives out a a sound or a signal.

Yeah , some beep or something like that ,


Yeah , some beep or something like that ,


Yeah , some beep or something like that ,

Uh so , so it's really the beep or , or a light should blink.


Uh so , so it's really the beep or , or a light should blink.


Uh so , so it's really the beep or , or a light should blink.

So if lost  If lost uh signal with b throw signal , you know.


So if lost  If lost uh signal with b throw signal , you know.


Yeah , maybe it should have a light so that we can , we can just recognise where it is.


Yeah , maybe it should have a light so that we can , we can just recognise where it is.

Exactly , I mean just  that's what I'm saying.


Yeah , maybe it should have a light so that we can , we can just recognise where it is.

Exactly , I mean just  that's what I'm saying.

I'm just saying throw signal meaning just whether it's a beep or whether a light or


Exactly , I mean just  that's what I'm saying.

I'm just saying throw signal meaning just whether it's a beep or whether a light or

Beep or uh it's a light , maybe it's a light.


I'm just saying throw signal meaning just whether it's a beep or whether a light or

Beep or uh it's a light , maybe it's a light.

And do you think a good c c um clue for that is that it would respond to a clap or it would respond to your voice or it would respond  what what should you have to do to make it beep or blink ?


I'm just saying throw signal meaning just whether it's a beep or whether a light or

Beep or uh it's a light , maybe it's a light.

And do you think a good c c um clue for that is that it would respond to a clap or it would respond to your voice or it would respond  what what should you have to do to make it beep or blink ?

Okay , my  my idea is maybe that the minute it's really hidden , in in other words if it's like in a dark spot , uh meaning you know like a newspaper is on top , a sweater is on top or it it's behind a plant , at that moment it's it's like , it's like um , what you call it  a light s sensors , you know ?


Beep or uh it's a light , maybe it's a light.

And do you think a good c c um clue for that is that it would respond to a clap or it would respond to your voice or it would respond  what what should you have to do to make it beep or blink ?

Okay , my  my idea is maybe that the minute it's really hidden , in in other words if it's like in a dark spot , uh meaning you know like a newspaper is on top , a sweater is on top or it it's behind a plant , at that moment it's it's like , it's like um , what you call it  a light s sensors , you know ?


And do you think a good c c um clue for that is that it would respond to a clap or it would respond to your voice or it would respond  what what should you have to do to make it beep or blink ?

Okay , my  my idea is maybe that the minute it's really hidden , in in other words if it's like in a dark spot , uh meaning you know like a newspaper is on top , a sweater is on top or it it's behind a plant , at that moment it's it's like , it's like um , what you call it  a light s sensors , you know ?

In in that moment it has a sensor , i it it gets a certain darkness , it ge has a sensor and it gives out a signal whether that be a light signal or a beep ,


Okay , my  my idea is maybe that the minute it's really hidden , in in other words if it's like in a dark spot , uh meaning you know like a newspaper is on top , a sweater is on top or it it's behind a plant , at that moment it's it's like , it's like um , what you call it  a light s sensors , you know ?

In in that moment it has a sensor , i it it gets a certain darkness , it ge has a sensor and it gives out a signal whether that be a light signal or a beep ,


In in that moment it has a sensor , i it it gets a certain darkness , it ge has a sensor and it gives out a signal whether that be a light signal or a beep ,


I mean , that we can discuss that later , you know.


I mean , that we can discuss that later , you know.

Yeah , probably  yeah , probably it's a  yeah , yeah.


I mean , that we can discuss that later , you know.

Yeah , probably  yeah , probably it's a  yeah , yeah.

So the light sensor would activate the signal.


Yeah , probably  yeah , probably it's a  yeah , yeah.

So the light sensor would activate the signal.


So the light sensor would activate the signal.


So the light sensor would activate the signal.

right you have to have some kind of sensor and I I think uh voice or clapping it's not specific enough. Uh I know there are the lamps and stuff , you know , you can clap on and off ,


right you have to have some kind of sensor and I I think uh voice or clapping it's not specific enough. Uh I know there are the lamps and stuff , you know , you can clap on and off ,


right you have to have some kind of sensor and I I think uh voice or clapping it's not specific enough. Uh I know there are the lamps and stuff , you know , you can clap on and off ,

but I think they only work to certain degree and


but I think they only work to certain degree and

But it could be someplace really obvious and you still wouldn't be able to find it.


But it could be someplace really obvious and you still wouldn't be able to find it.


Well , because you're s because you're silly. Because people are silly.


Well , because you're s because you're silly. Because people are silly.

Oh yeah well , but then those people  we can't help everybody.


Well , because you're s because you're silly. Because people are silly.

Oh yeah well , but then those people  we can't help everybody.

I mean it could be on  well , i if it were like on top of your bookcase and you usually kept it on the coffee table


Oh yeah well , but then those people  we can't help everybody.

I mean it could be on  well , i if it were like on top of your bookcase and you usually kept it on the coffee table


I mean it could be on  well , i if it were like on top of your bookcase and you usually kept it on the coffee table

you know , well  maybe we have to move along , okay.


you know , well  maybe we have to move along , okay.

yeah , we have to move along , but I think we have some good good points to start with here.


you know , well  maybe we have to move along , okay.

yeah , we have to move along , but I think we have some good good points to start with here.

Okay , the next meeting will be in thirty minutes. I think you all  did you get uh notices on your computer for this ? Okay so well , you got the notice um


yeah , we have to move along , but I think we have some good good points to start with here.

Okay , the next meeting will be in thirty minutes. I think you all  did you get uh notices on your computer for this ? Okay so well , you got the notice um


Okay , the next meeting will be in thirty minutes. I think you all  did you get uh notices on your computer for this ? Okay so well , you got the notice um


Okay , the next meeting will be in thirty minutes. I think you all  did you get uh notices on your computer for this ? Okay so well , you got the notice um

uh. The working design , I guess that's the function I_D_  uh who is this ? The industrial designer  That's you.


uh. The working design , I guess that's the function I_D_  uh who is this ? The industrial designer  That's you.

Yeah. Yeah , it's functional de yeah , exactly , technical.


uh. The working design , I guess that's the function I_D_  uh who is this ? The industrial designer  That's you.

Yeah. Yeah , it's functional de yeah , exactly , technical.

Okay. So , we looking for a working design when we come back.


Yeah. Yeah , it's functional de yeah , exactly , technical.

Okay. So , we looking for a working design when we come back.

Uh working design , yeah , it's it's uh mainly technical-functional design.


Okay. So , we looking for a working design when we come back.

Uh working design , yeah , it's it's uh mainly technical-functional design.

Then  And then the technical funct you are the technical function ,


Uh working design , yeah , it's it's uh mainly technical-functional design.

Then  And then the technical funct you are the technical function ,


Then  And then the technical funct you are the technical function ,


So you have a working design and then a functional design.


So you have a working design and then a functional design.

And the marketing manager is coming up with some user requirement specification , like friendliness , and what we just discussed in general. That would be your idea. And , of course , price. That it , that it , that the price is a good price. I mean , the price is given , but , that was


So you have a working design and then a functional design.

And the marketing manager is coming up with some user requirement specification , like friendliness , and what we just discussed in general. That would be your idea. And , of course , price. That it , that it , that the price is a good price. I mean , the price is given , but , that was

Mm-hmm. We have to justify that price by having sufficient features to make it sell at that price.


And the marketing manager is coming up with some user requirement specification , like friendliness , and what we just discussed in general. That would be your idea. And , of course , price. That it , that it , that the price is a good price. I mean , the price is given , but , that was

Mm-hmm. We have to justify that price by having sufficient features to make it sell at that price.


And the marketing manager is coming up with some user requirement specification , like friendliness , and what we just discussed in general. That would be your idea. And , of course , price. That it , that it , that the price is a good price. I mean , the price is given , but , that was

Mm-hmm. We have to justify that price by having sufficient features to make it sell at that price.

And , you know , specifi you you will get specific um instructions for that. I think that's the end of the show. Yeah. So um  we have  well , we have a twen two two two three minutes. Um any questions at this point ? Or uh suggestions ?


Mm-hmm. We have to justify that price by having sufficient features to make it sell at that price.

And , you know , specifi you you will get specific um instructions for that. I think that's the end of the show. Yeah. So um  we have  well , we have a twen two two two three minutes. Um any questions at this point ? Or uh suggestions ?


And , you know , specifi you you will get specific um instructions for that. I think that's the end of the show. Yeah. So um  we have  well , we have a twen two two two three minutes. Um any questions at this point ? Or uh suggestions ?

I think  basically basically you will get instructions to work with and if you have any questions uh , uh I guess , you can uh


I think  basically basically you will get instructions to work with and if you have any questions uh , uh I guess , you can uh


I think  basically basically you will get instructions to work with and if you have any questions uh , uh I guess , you can uh

Okay , I think I have enough to think about 'til our next meeting.


Okay , I think I have enough to think about 'til our next meeting.


Then uh we see you in about thirty minutes. And see what we can come up with.


Right w welcome to the the first meeting of uh Real Reaction's uh um development meetings for our our new television remote control. Uh this follows our very successful entry into the the consumer market over the last year or so um which we want to to build on , taking advantage of the uh the the latest developments in in technology and the uh the latest uh  uh feelings in in consumer design and and demand and uh we want to make this the the very best product th that's possible for everybody , uh one that everybody wants , uh at a good price for the consumer and at a good price for the company. Uh and to that end we need all to work together uh to do that. Um and uh b in no particular order because ev everybody is uh  just as vital to this project

um  I'll just go round th the table , Andrew , marketing , um m Kendra with the uh um  designing the the the User Interface uh uh and Kate with the the industrial design. Um.  What's uh  the the th th project is is here to do , is is to to get this this project up and moving , ev everybody is is free to uh say wh whatever they want , uh everybody has a contribution to make and uh  everybody feel free to interrupt me at any time to to say what you want to say. Um in in terms of the immediate meeting the uh um  everybody knows everybody else , everybody's worked for the the company for a while , if if an anybody feels that they need to say more about themselves please do , if if if anybody wants to b briefly give their their background so that everybody's quite clear what everybody uh  uh everybody's experience is please do so. Uh in fact I'd I'd I'd welcome anybody to uh say something briefly about themselves , in fact we will do that by by going round the table quickly and and saying what what contribution you  you're looking to make. So we'll start with Andrew.


um  I'll just go round th the table , Andrew , marketing , um m Kendra with the uh um  designing the the the User Interface uh uh and Kate with the the industrial design. Um.  What's uh  the the th th project is is here to do , is is to to get this this project up and moving , ev everybody is is free to uh say wh whatever they want , uh everybody has a contribution to make and uh  everybody feel free to interrupt me at any time to to say what you want to say. Um in in terms of the immediate meeting the uh um  everybody knows everybody else , everybody's worked for the the company for a while , if if an anybody feels that they need to say more about themselves please do , if if if anybody wants to b briefly give their their background so that everybody's quite clear what everybody uh  uh everybody's experience is please do so. Uh in fact I'd I'd I'd welcome anybody to uh say something briefly about themselves , in fact we will do that by by going round the table quickly and and saying what what contribution you  you're looking to make. So we'll start with Andrew.

Oh my name's Andrew I'm a  I'm the Market Research person for this uh for this meeting and this uh project for creating this new remote control and uh yeah I'll be uh presenting information statistics on what people want to want to uh get from this new design , what people want to  like  and from a fashion point of view and the practicality point of view.


um  I'll just go round th the table , Andrew , marketing , um m Kendra with the uh um  designing the the the User Interface uh uh and Kate with the the industrial design. Um.  What's uh  the the th th project is is here to do , is is to to get this this project up and moving , ev everybody is is free to uh say wh whatever they want , uh everybody has a contribution to make and uh  everybody feel free to interrupt me at any time to to say what you want to say. Um in in terms of the immediate meeting the uh um  everybody knows everybody else , everybody's worked for the the company for a while , if if an anybody feels that they need to say more about themselves please do , if if if anybody wants to b briefly give their their background so that everybody's quite clear what everybody uh  uh everybody's experience is please do so. Uh in fact I'd I'd I'd welcome anybody to uh say something briefly about themselves , in fact we will do that by by going round the table quickly and and saying what what contribution you  you're looking to make. So we'll start with Andrew.

Oh my name's Andrew I'm a  I'm the Market Research person for this uh for this meeting and this uh project for creating this new remote control and uh yeah I'll be uh presenting information statistics on what people want to want to uh get from this new design , what people want to  like  and from a fashion point of view and the practicality point of view.

I'm Kendra and I'm the Us User Interface Designer and um  I haven't had a whole lot of experience in this kind of thing before but I'm m so I'll be  working on the design.


Oh my name's Andrew I'm a  I'm the Market Research person for this uh for this meeting and this uh project for creating this new remote control and uh yeah I'll be uh presenting information statistics on what people want to want to uh get from this new design , what people want to  like  and from a fashion point of view and the practicality point of view.

I'm Kendra and I'm the Us User Interface Designer and um  I haven't had a whole lot of experience in this kind of thing before but I'm m so I'll be  working on the design.

Right at least means you haven't got any preconceived ideas so.


I'm Kendra and I'm the Us User Interface Designer and um  I haven't had a whole lot of experience in this kind of thing before but I'm m so I'll be  working on the design.

Right at least means you haven't got any preconceived ideas so.

Right. Yep , I'm just open to being creative.


Right at least means you haven't got any preconceived ideas so.

Right. Yep , I'm just open to being creative.


Right. Yep , I'm just open to being creative.

I'm the Industrial Designer and I'll just be I guess presenting about the the inter workings of our little remote control and uh  yeah.


I'm the Industrial Designer and I'll just be I guess presenting about the the inter workings of our little remote control and uh  yeah.

Okay , very very quickly , um  this  I don't want to make this meeting too structured because the the whole idea is that it's a um you know a think tank. Everybody says what they  what they want to say , uh and we don't want to be constrained by uh kind of convention or uh uh slides on screens or or anything else um but um briefly um th th this is what we want to do. The the remote control needs to be original , there has to be something about it that uh other remote controls don't have so that as soon as people see it they think um yes that's different , uh I want one , um and that goes along with being trendy , uh uh you know the I want it uh scenario. User-friendly as as we all know , remote controls can be uh uh very user-unfriendly so we want to make ours one that people can pick up


I'm the Industrial Designer and I'll just be I guess presenting about the the inter workings of our little remote control and uh  yeah.

Okay , very very quickly , um  this  I don't want to make this meeting too structured because the the whole idea is that it's a um you know a think tank. Everybody says what they  what they want to say , uh and we don't want to be constrained by uh kind of convention or uh uh slides on screens or or anything else um but um briefly um th th this is what we want to do. The the remote control needs to be original , there has to be something about it that uh other remote controls don't have so that as soon as people see it they think um yes that's different , uh I want one , um and that goes along with being trendy , uh uh you know the I want it uh scenario. User-friendly as as we all know , remote controls can be uh uh very user-unfriendly so we want to make ours one that people can pick up

and think oh yes that's  it's obvious how that works , uh and they also want to look at the price and think oh yeah that's something that  I may not need another remote control but uh it's such a nice one I'm gonna have one. And last but not least , or indeed first of all , it it must make the company money , and we make the company money by producing what the consumer wants. The uh the further work to be done is i the um the functional design , uh what it uh what it must actually do , the uh conceptual design , uh how we actually present that to the consumer and th the the detailed design i is uh how we get that into production. Uh now th the main design tool that we have available to us at the moment is is the white board and uh uh  let us very quickly do what i what it says in the in the in the prompt slide here , um  In fact I suggest to avoid everybody untangling themselves from the uh the the wires , that we don't do that , um So I I  everybody knows what whiteboard is so we'll um uh we'll do a virtual drawing on the on on the whiteboard of of your your own uh uh favourite animal , but le let's go round the table , your favourite animal.


Okay , very very quickly , um  this  I don't want to make this meeting too structured because the the whole idea is that it's a um you know a think tank. Everybody says what they  what they want to say , uh and we don't want to be constrained by uh kind of convention or uh uh slides on screens or or anything else um but um briefly um th th this is what we want to do. The the remote control needs to be original , there has to be something about it that uh other remote controls don't have so that as soon as people see it they think um yes that's different , uh I want one , um and that goes along with being trendy , uh uh you know the I want it uh scenario. User-friendly as as we all know , remote controls can be uh uh very user-unfriendly so we want to make ours one that people can pick up

and think oh yes that's  it's obvious how that works , uh and they also want to look at the price and think oh yeah that's something that  I may not need another remote control but uh it's such a nice one I'm gonna have one. And last but not least , or indeed first of all , it it must make the company money , and we make the company money by producing what the consumer wants. The uh the further work to be done is i the um the functional design , uh what it uh what it must actually do , the uh conceptual design , uh how we actually present that to the consumer and th the the detailed design i is uh how we get that into production. Uh now th the main design tool that we have available to us at the moment is is the white board and uh uh  let us very quickly do what i what it says in the in the in the prompt slide here , um  In fact I suggest to avoid everybody untangling themselves from the uh the the wires , that we don't do that , um So I I  everybody knows what whiteboard is so we'll um uh we'll do a virtual drawing on the on on the whiteboard of of your your own uh uh favourite animal , but le let's go round the table , your favourite animal.


and think oh yes that's  it's obvious how that works , uh and they also want to look at the price and think oh yeah that's something that  I may not need another remote control but uh it's such a nice one I'm gonna have one. And last but not least , or indeed first of all , it it must make the company money , and we make the company money by producing what the consumer wants. The uh the further work to be done is i the um the functional design , uh what it uh what it must actually do , the uh conceptual design , uh how we actually present that to the consumer and th the the detailed design i is uh how we get that into production. Uh now th the main design tool that we have available to us at the moment is is the white board and uh uh  let us very quickly do what i what it says in the in the in the prompt slide here , um  In fact I suggest to avoid everybody untangling themselves from the uh the the wires , that we don't do that , um So I I  everybody knows what whiteboard is so we'll um uh we'll do a virtual drawing on the on on the whiteboard of of your your own uh uh favourite animal , but le let's go round the table , your favourite animal.

Uh it's it's got nice contrast with black  and white and uh


Uh it's it's got nice contrast with black  and white and uh


uh my my wife says my beard looks like a badger's arse 'cause of the the white streaks in it.


uh my my wife says my beard looks like a badger's arse 'cause of the the white streaks in it.

I just  I li I like the way they look and they're just nice animals and I like how they can fly or swim or walk around or whatever.


I just  I li I like the way they look and they're just nice animals and I like how they can fly or swim or walk around or whatever.


I just  I li I like the way they look and they're just nice animals and I like how they can fly or swim or walk around or whatever.

Uh 's horses , no particular reason why .


Uh 's horses , no particular reason why .

I'm not sure that I've got any favourite animal to be quite honest , I think homo sapien


Uh 's horses , no particular reason why .

I'm not sure that I've got any favourite animal to be quite honest , I think homo sapien

because of their  their uh overall ability to uh uh


I'm not sure that I've got any favourite animal to be quite honest , I think homo sapien

because of their  their uh overall ability to uh uh


because of their  their uh overall ability to uh uh


tha that's um  Okay and uh w we need to keep in mind here that the uh  we want to sell this for for twenty five Euro um , we want to m make an overall profit for the the company of fifty million Euros so we're we're looking at selling a lot of these um ag across the the entire planet and and we're looking at a gross profit of fifty percent.  It needs to cost twelve Euros fifty to make. Um so we're not only looking at a a very trendy original product , we're looking at making it at a very good price. Um , okay , um  would anybody like t like to to start by giving their o um sort of quick views of of current remote controls.


tha that's um  Okay and uh w we need to keep in mind here that the uh  we want to sell this for for twenty five Euro um , we want to m make an overall profit for the the company of fifty million Euros so we're we're looking at selling a lot of these um ag across the the entire planet and and we're looking at a gross profit of fifty percent.  It needs to cost twelve Euros fifty to make. Um so we're not only looking at a a very trendy original product , we're looking at making it at a very good price. Um , okay , um  would anybody like t like to to start by giving their o um sort of quick views of of current remote controls.

Well I think  I find a lot of them really complicated to use with all the different buttons and uh it's handiest when you have one that works both the D_V_D_ player or whatever and the T_V_ as well. Um , but that  it's easy to  if you can switch back and forth instead of having to  press a bunch of different buttons


tha that's um  Okay and uh w we need to keep in mind here that the uh  we want to sell this for for twenty five Euro um , we want to m make an overall profit for the the company of fifty million Euros so we're we're looking at selling a lot of these um ag across the the entire planet and and we're looking at a gross profit of fifty percent.  It needs to cost twelve Euros fifty to make. Um so we're not only looking at a a very trendy original product , we're looking at making it at a very good price. Um , okay , um  would anybody like t like to to start by giving their o um sort of quick views of of current remote controls.

Well I think  I find a lot of them really complicated to use with all the different buttons and uh it's handiest when you have one that works both the D_V_D_ player or whatever and the T_V_ as well. Um , but that  it's easy to  if you can switch back and forth instead of having to  press a bunch of different buttons

and  so I think it's is best when they're clearly labelled and you can see which buttons you're supposed to use , you know.


Well I think  I find a lot of them really complicated to use with all the different buttons and uh it's handiest when you have one that works both the D_V_D_ player or whatever and the T_V_ as well. Um , but that  it's easy to  if you can switch back and forth instead of having to  press a bunch of different buttons

and  so I think it's is best when they're clearly labelled and you can see which buttons you're supposed to use , you know.

Any any thoughts about buttons or any oth other way of approaching the p the uh the problem ? Or anybody else , strong feelings about remote controls ? Are there you know , bad ones they've used or good ones they've used or ones that they've lost and never found again ?


and  so I think it's is best when they're clearly labelled and you can see which buttons you're supposed to use , you know.

Any any thoughts about buttons or any oth other way of approaching the p the uh the problem ? Or anybody else , strong feelings about remote controls ? Are there you know , bad ones they've used or good ones they've used or ones that they've lost and never found again ?

Um   I think it's important that you should be able to  when you when you press the buttons it'll actually pick up the signals from kind of anywhere and you shouldn't have to like contort yourself and twist your remote control to get it  the T_V_ to actually pick up the signal.


Any any thoughts about buttons or any oth other way of approaching the p the uh the problem ? Or anybody else , strong feelings about remote controls ? Are there you know , bad ones they've used or good ones they've used or ones that they've lost and never found again ?

Um   I think it's important that you should be able to  when you when you press the buttons it'll actually pick up the signals from kind of anywhere and you shouldn't have to like contort yourself and twist your remote control to get it  the T_V_ to actually pick up the signal.


Um   I think it's important that you should be able to  when you when you press the buttons it'll actually pick up the signals from kind of anywhere and you shouldn't have to like contort yourself and twist your remote control to get it  the T_V_ to actually pick up the signal.

Think a lot of the time , remotes that come with T_V_ players and  T_V_s and D_V_ players , like they aren't


Think a lot of the time , remotes that come with T_V_ players and  T_V_s and D_V_ players , like they aren't


Think a lot of the time , remotes that come with T_V_ players and  T_V_s and D_V_ players , like they aren't

like an area that's put a lot of effort into , they're very boring , very plain.


like an area that's put a lot of effort into , they're very boring , very plain.

Like it's very  a very  like um making a a stylish remote control would be a very like  Easily put us one step ahead of the current competition.


like an area that's put a lot of effort into , they're very boring , very plain.

Like it's very  a very  like um making a a stylish remote control would be a very like  Easily put us one step ahead of the current competition.

Um what so wh what's in in  what particular style features are you thinking about ?


Like it's very  a very  like um making a a stylish remote control would be a very like  Easily put us one step ahead of the current competition.

Um what so wh what's in in  what particular style features are you thinking about ?

Um. Something that looks looks  doesn't look like remote control.


Like it's very  a very  like um making a a stylish remote control would be a very like  Easily put us one step ahead of the current competition.

Um what so wh what's in in  what particular style features are you thinking about ?

Um. Something that looks looks  doesn't look like remote control.

So if you want ,  something that looks like uh  something that makes you think oh what's this ? Like this pen doesn't really look like a pen ,


Um what so wh what's in in  what particular style features are you thinking about ?

Um. Something that looks looks  doesn't look like remote control.

So if you want ,  something that looks like uh  something that makes you think oh what's this ? Like this pen doesn't really look like a pen ,


Um. Something that looks looks  doesn't look like remote control.

So if you want ,  something that looks like uh  something that makes you think oh what's this ? Like this pen doesn't really look like a pen ,


So if you want ,  something that looks like uh  something that makes you think oh what's this ? Like this pen doesn't really look like a pen ,


d no I mean do you think there's a risk if it doesn't look like remote control ,  people won't see it as a remote control um and uh


d no I mean do you think there's a risk if it doesn't look like remote control ,  people won't see it as a remote control um and uh

Uh I suppose suppose that's up to the marketing to to make make people aware of the product.


d no I mean do you think there's a risk if it doesn't look like remote control ,  people won't see it as a remote control um and uh

Uh I suppose suppose that's up to the marketing to to make make people aware of the product.

Uh-huh. Any other thoughts about um th the physical appearance of a  of remote controls ?


d no I mean do you think there's a risk if it doesn't look like remote control ,  people won't see it as a remote control um and uh

Uh I suppose suppose that's up to the marketing to to make make people aware of the product.

Uh-huh. Any other thoughts about um th the physical appearance of a  of remote controls ?

I think something that's comfortable to hold because sometimes you get the remote controls that are just those big , rectangular things