we should uh look into the design and the functionability. Like I said , uh use one button for instance for m multiple functions , or well uh just hide the few buttons o of switching it open or something , the usual uh  stuff. And uh don't overbuild , we shouldn't make a big uh remote control for simple functions , but we we should stick to the basics. So that was my uh my personal opinion. And that was my uh my presentation uh


The last presentation. You have plenty of time ,


The last presentation. You have plenty of time ,

Tim and uh Janus don't uh talk to ten minutes ,


Tim and uh Janus don't uh talk to ten minutes ,

If you take your time too long I will uh eventually uh


If you take your time too long I will uh eventually uh

Well , I'm going to give a presentation abut some of the technical functions of these design and uh usability functions.


If you take your time too long I will uh eventually uh

Well , I'm going to give a presentation abut some of the technical functions of these design and uh usability functions.

Um what's my opinion about what's most important to combine the design , technical possibilities and the user friendliness in one , so if you um going to design a remote that looks good , that shouldn't weigh over the uh  if it's possible to make , of course , but also the user friendliness , so tha that's that's some of the main points. And another one is um the use um of many functions will will make it more difficult , so use as as little functions as possible or at least don't display them all at once on the same remote. If you have fifty functions you don't want fifty buttons uh t uh to be shown at the same time ,


Well , I'm going to give a presentation abut some of the technical functions of these design and uh usability functions.

Um what's my opinion about what's most important to combine the design , technical possibilities and the user friendliness in one , so if you um going to design a remote that looks good , that shouldn't weigh over the uh  if it's possible to make , of course , but also the user friendliness , so tha that's that's some of the main points. And another one is um the use um of many functions will will make it more difficult , so use as as little functions as possible or at least don't display them all at once on the same remote. If you have fifty functions you don't want fifty buttons uh t uh to be shown at the same time ,


Well , I'm going to give a presentation abut some of the technical functions of these design and uh usability functions.

Um what's my opinion about what's most important to combine the design , technical possibilities and the user friendliness in one , so if you um going to design a remote that looks good , that shouldn't weigh over the uh  if it's possible to make , of course , but also the user friendliness , so tha that's that's some of the main points. And another one is um the use um of many functions will will make it more difficult , so use as as little functions as possible or at least don't display them all at once on the same remote. If you have fifty functions you don't want fifty buttons uh t uh to be shown at the same time ,

'cause when you visit an internet uh site you don't want fifty links uh to see , but maybe use a hierarch hierarchy uh structure.


Um what's my opinion about what's most important to combine the design , technical possibilities and the user friendliness in one , so if you um going to design a remote that looks good , that shouldn't weigh over the uh  if it's possible to make , of course , but also the user friendliness , so tha that's that's some of the main points. And another one is um the use um of many functions will will make it more difficult , so use as as little functions as possible or at least don't display them all at once on the same remote. If you have fifty functions you don't want fifty buttons uh t uh to be shown at the same time ,

'cause when you visit an internet uh site you don't want fifty links uh to see , but maybe use a hierarch hierarchy uh structure.

And uh well one of the ideas was maybe uh use touch screen , but s I don't know in how far that is possible ,


'cause when you visit an internet uh site you don't want fifty links uh to see , but maybe use a hierarch hierarchy uh structure.

And uh well one of the ideas was maybe uh use touch screen , but s I don't know in how far that is possible ,


'cause when you visit an internet uh site you don't want fifty links uh to see , but maybe use a hierarch hierarchy uh structure.

And uh well one of the ideas was maybe uh use touch screen , but s I don't know in how far that is possible ,

since we are sticking to uh um infrared and and the remote cannot receive anything , but uh we might uh consider that. Um well , of course I I hope this is all clear to you. If you  you can use remote like this with all the functions ,  many functions , but  Well , your thumb is a little bigger than th it than this. You have to be very careful what you push ,


And uh well one of the ideas was maybe uh use touch screen , but s I don't know in how far that is possible ,

since we are sticking to uh um infrared and and the remote cannot receive anything , but uh we might uh consider that. Um well , of course I I hope this is all clear to you. If you  you can use remote like this with all the functions ,  many functions , but  Well , your thumb is a little bigger than th it than this. You have to be very careful what you push ,

and um if you're looking for teletext you'll be uh searching for half an hour from uh um  yeah well , where is it ? Where the hell  he here I guess and , yeah , when you have to uh use something else. So just keep it simple , make clear buttons , easy to use. For example if you want to use a play and back and stop , that's very important. Um well this was because of our last discussion , if multiple machines are used , create easy switch between the machines , but um it's no longer uh applying.  Well yeah , I prefer to use it only for T_V_ and um n uh not to give too many options and and if possible , uh the buttons should give  a dr direct action , not first select


since we are sticking to uh um infrared and and the remote cannot receive anything , but uh we might uh consider that. Um well , of course I I hope this is all clear to you. If you  you can use remote like this with all the functions ,  many functions , but  Well , your thumb is a little bigger than th it than this. You have to be very careful what you push ,

and um if you're looking for teletext you'll be uh searching for half an hour from uh um  yeah well , where is it ? Where the hell  he here I guess and , yeah , when you have to uh use something else. So just keep it simple , make clear buttons , easy to use. For example if you want to use a play and back and stop , that's very important. Um well this was because of our last discussion , if multiple machines are used , create easy switch between the machines , but um it's no longer uh applying.  Well yeah , I prefer to use it only for T_V_ and um n uh not to give too many options and and if possible , uh the buttons should give  a dr direct action , not first select

Uh you you just said um uh you wanted to to combine more functions in one , so uh


and um if you're looking for teletext you'll be uh searching for half an hour from uh um  yeah well , where is it ? Where the hell  he here I guess and , yeah , when you have to uh use something else. So just keep it simple , make clear buttons , easy to use. For example if you want to use a play and back and stop , that's very important. Um well this was because of our last discussion , if multiple machines are used , create easy switch between the machines , but um it's no longer uh applying.  Well yeah , I prefer to use it only for T_V_ and um n uh not to give too many options and and if possible , uh the buttons should give  a dr direct action , not first select

Uh you you just said um uh you wanted to to combine more functions in one , so uh


Uh you you just said um uh you wanted to to combine more functions in one , so uh

and so that's where the difficulties lie.


and so that's where the difficulties lie.


and so that's where the difficulties lie.

but I think that if you want to do that , then you can't escape the the fact that there will be buttons uh which give s uh more options than one.


and so that's where the difficulties lie.

but I think that if you want to do that , then you can't escape the the fact that there will be buttons uh which give s uh more options than one.

Yeah , this  so that's the thing you have to weigh against each other.


but I think that if you want to do that , then you can't escape the the fact that there will be buttons uh which give s uh more options than one.

Yeah , this  so that's the thing you have to weigh against each other.


but I think that if you want to do that , then you can't escape the the fact that there will be buttons uh which give s uh more options than one.

Yeah , this  so that's the thing you have to weigh against each other.

Do we want to use a few options and might not be so or original , or uh multi-purpose as we thought ,


Yeah , this  so that's the thing you have to weigh against each other.

Do we want to use a few options and might not be so or original , or uh multi-purpose as we thought ,


Do we want to use a few options and might not be so or original , or uh multi-purpose as we thought ,


Hmm  it's maybe an option uh if you use an L_C_D_  or a touch screen um , that in the middle are the the main keys , like displayed on the


Hmm  it's maybe an option uh if you use an L_C_D_  or a touch screen um , that in the middle are the the main keys , like displayed on the

. Yeah , this ? No ? Yeah.  Something like that. Okay , just uh in the middle the general functions , like play , uh channel switching ,


. Yeah , this ? No ? Yeah.  Something like that. Okay , just uh in the middle the general functions , like play , uh channel switching ,


. Yeah , this ? No ? Yeah.  Something like that. Okay , just uh in the middle the general functions , like play , uh channel switching ,

and then uh at the top or at the bottom , some menus like uh settings or  that you can drop down.


. Yeah , this ? No ? Yeah.  Something like that. Okay , just uh in the middle the general functions , like play , uh channel switching ,

and then uh at the top or at the bottom , some menus like uh settings or  that you can drop down.

Yeah , but when all the questions I had  Do we want to use uh a menu display on the T_V_ ? Or um does have to f everything uh be in remotes ? 'Cause if you use a memory display on the T_V_ , you can simply push uh a more menu and then select the options you want to have and press okay.


and then uh at the top or at the bottom , some menus like uh settings or  that you can drop down.

Yeah , but when all the questions I had  Do we want to use uh a menu display on the T_V_ ? Or um does have to f everything uh be in remotes ? 'Cause if you use a memory display on the T_V_ , you can simply push uh a more menu and then select the options you want to have and press okay.


and then uh at the top or at the bottom , some menus like uh settings or  that you can drop down.

Yeah , but when all the questions I had  Do we want to use uh a menu display on the T_V_ ? Or um does have to f everything uh be in remotes ? 'Cause if you use a memory display on the T_V_ , you can simply push uh a more menu and then select the options you want to have and press okay.

Uh so that's my recommendation , if you use many options in one buttle  button , um display the menu on the T_V_


Yeah , but when all the questions I had  Do we want to use uh a menu display on the T_V_ ? Or um does have to f everything uh be in remotes ? 'Cause if you use a memory display on the T_V_ , you can simply push uh a more menu and then select the options you want to have and press okay.

Uh so that's my recommendation , if you use many options in one buttle  button , um display the menu on the T_V_


Uh so that's my recommendation , if you use many options in one buttle  button , um display the menu on the T_V_

and don't um use combination of t of two buttons at the same time or pressing buttons three times for five seconds ,


and don't um use combination of t of two buttons at the same time or pressing buttons three times for five seconds ,


I think so too , but   and that's partly because um uh a lot of T_V_s have different menus , and when you have a particular menu uh at your device , uh it could be that don't correspond to the menu what's actually on T_V_.


you d you have to  keep in mind that uh several T_V_s uh don't even have a menu structure , or they have a very simple menu structure , so you have to keep in mind that not all uh d not  our remote won't be able to work on all televisions.


you d you have to  keep in mind that uh several T_V_s uh don't even have a menu structure , or they have a very simple menu structure , so you have to keep in mind that not all uh d not  our remote won't be able to work on all televisions.

And that would be uh a considerable problem.


you d you have to  keep in mind that uh several T_V_s uh don't even have a menu structure , or they have a very simple menu structure , so you have to keep in mind that not all uh d not  our remote won't be able to work on all televisions.

And that would be uh a considerable problem.

So if we have to stick with current technologies and uh um well yeah , the restrictions of what's uh is on the market today , um you should keep it s at this.


And that would be uh a considerable problem.

So if we have to stick with current technologies and uh um well yeah , the restrictions of what's uh is on the market today , um you should keep it s at this.


And that would be uh a considerable problem.

So if we have to stick with current technologies and uh um well yeah , the restrictions of what's uh is on the market today , um you should keep it s at this.

Use big clear buttons. Not too many. So maybe we'll loose a few option uh options , but I think i this is more important. Um  especially the important buttons , um if you want to switch channel , change your volume , uh use teletext , it uh it has to work at once and more advanced options may be put it s somewhere away on the remote , behind uh a little uh little thing or a touch screen.


So if we have to stick with current technologies and uh um well yeah , the restrictions of what's uh is on the market today , um you should keep it s at this.

Use big clear buttons. Not too many. So maybe we'll loose a few option uh options , but I think i this is more important. Um  especially the important buttons , um if you want to switch channel , change your volume , uh use teletext , it uh it has to work at once and more advanced options may be put it s somewhere away on the remote , behind uh a little uh little thing or a touch screen.

Not embed Yeah , but then with something like a touch screen could  could make more menu up  pop up or something.


Use big clear buttons. Not too many. So maybe we'll loose a few option uh options , but I think i this is more important. Um  especially the important buttons , um if you want to switch channel , change your volume , uh use teletext , it uh it has to work at once and more advanced options may be put it s somewhere away on the remote , behind uh a little uh little thing or a touch screen.

Not embed Yeah , but then with something like a touch screen could  could make more menu up  pop up or something.

And yeah , if you want to uh uh s put  on stand-by or change the channel , that should always be possible to do. Not first change menu options or switch something.


Not embed Yeah , but then with something like a touch screen could  could make more menu up  pop up or something.

And yeah , if you want to uh uh s put  on stand-by or change the channel , that should always be possible to do. Not first change menu options or switch something.

Um , well yeah , as you already told , give some feedback. If the user is pushing a button he should know if the television or n at least remote is reacting and not just that the batteries may be low.


And yeah , if you want to uh uh s put  on stand-by or change the channel , that should always be possible to do. Not first change menu options or switch something.

Um , well yeah , as you already told , give some feedback. If the user is pushing a button he should know if the television or n at least remote is reacting and not just that the batteries may be low.


Um , well yeah , as you already told , give some feedback. If the user is pushing a button he should know if the television or n at least remote is reacting and not just that the batteries may be low.

And um , well , my conclusion is uh is uh less is more , keep it simple. So uh maybe we should just ease down on the functionality to uh to keep it accessible on t because you all know , if there are a lot of function  on the the television , some you you'll never know uh and never use , and therefore it's uh important


And um , well , my conclusion is uh is uh less is more , keep it simple. So uh maybe we should just ease down on the functionality to uh to keep it accessible on t because you all know , if there are a lot of function  on the the television , some you you'll never know uh and never use , and therefore it's uh important

if you want to change the volume or channel that is always accessible and easy and other functions um that are not so important  um well you  we should consider just not using them or at least putting them somewhere on the remote where they're not in the way for the for the most important functions.


And um , well , my conclusion is uh is uh less is more , keep it simple. So uh maybe we should just ease down on the functionality to uh to keep it accessible on t because you all know , if there are a lot of function  on the the television , some you you'll never know uh and never use , and therefore it's uh important

if you want to change the volume or channel that is always accessible and easy and other functions um that are not so important  um well you  we should consider just not using them or at least putting them somewhere on the remote where they're not in the way for the for the most important functions.

Yeah. Uh , I think the idea uh about uh touch screen um is very good. Um , because recently uh I saw news item on T_V_ um about uh new telephones uh for elder people. Um , they have like a touch screen with uh really big pictures on it like uh uh call uh hang-up , um and that's a big ad advantage I think , because one the one hand uh you make the remote control compatible for elder users just by uh scaling up the pictures or something.


if you want to change the volume or channel that is always accessible and easy and other functions um that are not so important  um well you  we should consider just not using them or at least putting them somewhere on the remote where they're not in the way for the for the most important functions.

Yeah. Uh , I think the idea uh about uh touch screen um is very good. Um , because recently uh I saw news item on T_V_ um about uh new telephones uh for elder people. Um , they have like a touch screen with uh really big pictures on it like uh uh call uh hang-up , um and that's a big ad advantage I think , because one the one hand uh you make the remote control compatible for elder users just by uh scaling up the pictures or something.


if you want to change the volume or channel that is always accessible and easy and other functions um that are not so important  um well you  we should consider just not using them or at least putting them somewhere on the remote where they're not in the way for the for the most important functions.

Yeah. Uh , I think the idea uh about uh touch screen um is very good. Um , because recently uh I saw news item on T_V_ um about uh new telephones uh for elder people. Um , they have like a touch screen with uh really big pictures on it like uh uh call uh hang-up , um and that's a big ad advantage I think , because one the one hand uh you make the remote control compatible for elder users just by uh scaling up the pictures or something.

It's uh very visual intended.  What was I to say more ?


Yeah. Uh , I think the idea uh about uh touch screen um is very good. Um , because recently uh I saw news item on T_V_ um about uh new telephones uh for elder people. Um , they have like a touch screen with uh really big pictures on it like uh uh call uh hang-up , um and that's a big ad advantage I think , because one the one hand uh you make the remote control compatible for elder users just by uh scaling up the pictures or something.

It's uh very visual intended.  What was I to say more ?

Maybe that's an option. Um keep the primary buttons visible. Uh make a remote that fits easily in the hands


It's uh very visual intended.  What was I to say more ?

Maybe that's an option. Um keep the primary buttons visible. Uh make a remote that fits easily in the hands


It's uh very visual intended.  What was I to say more ?

Maybe that's an option. Um keep the primary buttons visible. Uh make a remote that fits easily in the hands

and for some design issues uh well , put a logo on it and maybe use it uh in some aesthetic uh aesthetic form.


Maybe that's an option. Um keep the primary buttons visible. Uh make a remote that fits easily in the hands

and for some design issues uh well , put a logo on it and maybe use it uh in some aesthetic uh aesthetic form.

But uh th the important buttons m make them always accessible and pushable and clear


and for some design issues uh well , put a logo on it and maybe use it uh in some aesthetic uh aesthetic form.

But uh th the important buttons m make them always accessible and pushable and clear

and maybe use a touch screen , or if that's uh will become too difficult just uh like televi some o older telephones use a l uh maybe it's possible to to flip them open and uh just expand the number of options that are normally visible. Um


and for some design issues uh well , put a logo on it and maybe use it uh in some aesthetic uh aesthetic form.

But uh th the important buttons m make them always accessible and pushable and clear

and maybe use a touch screen , or if that's uh will become too difficult just uh like televi some o older telephones use a l uh maybe it's possible to to flip them open and uh just expand the number of options that are normally visible. Um

Yeah okay , but but if you pick the the idea , the left idea


But uh th the important buttons m make them always accessible and pushable and clear

and maybe use a touch screen , or if that's uh will become too difficult just uh like televi some o older telephones use a l uh maybe it's possible to to flip them open and uh just expand the number of options that are normally visible. Um

Yeah okay , but but if you pick the the idea , the left idea


and maybe use a touch screen , or if that's uh will become too difficult just uh like televi some o older telephones use a l uh maybe it's possible to to flip them open and uh just expand the number of options that are normally visible. Um

Yeah okay , but but if you pick the the idea , the left idea

then what's gonna be displayed on the touch screen ?


Yeah okay , but but if you pick the the idea , the left idea

then what's gonna be displayed on the touch screen ?


then what's gonna be displayed on the touch screen ?

The extra functions , you uh you just see a menu from system functions or teletext functions , and you just choose one ,


The extra functions , you uh you just see a menu from system functions or teletext functions , and you just choose one ,


The extra functions , you uh you just see a menu from system functions or teletext functions , and you just choose one ,

and then all all the options will become available


and then all all the options will become available


and then all all the options will become available

and you just c s yeah t scroll through them.


and then all all the options will become available

and you just c s yeah t scroll through them.

Wouldn't it be better to make just one big touch screen , uh one one small uh touch screen uh applet


and you just c s yeah t scroll through them.

Wouldn't it be better to make just one big touch screen , uh one one small uh touch screen uh applet


and you just c s yeah t scroll through them.

Wouldn't it be better to make just one big touch screen , uh one one small uh touch screen uh applet

and uh I'll just make um  uh let's say fifteen buttons on it , and uh we have three of those , uh actually just uh menus with sub-menus , with  or sub-items , sub-functions.


Wouldn't it be better to make just one big touch screen , uh one one small uh touch screen uh applet

and uh I'll just make um  uh let's say fifteen buttons on it , and uh we have three of those , uh actually just uh menus with sub-menus , with  or sub-items , sub-functions.


and uh I'll just make um  uh let's say fifteen buttons on it , and uh we have three of those , uh actually just uh menus with sub-menus , with  or sub-items , sub-functions.


use the same concept as here , keep the buttons always available


use the same concept as here , keep the buttons always available

and use the lower part of the touch screen for the rest.


and use the lower part of the touch screen for the rest.


and use the lower part of the touch screen for the rest.

like like the iPod idea that that we just saw.


like like the iPod idea that that we just saw.


like like the iPod idea that that we just saw.

You just have a f a few selected buttons and uh a few menus , and with this idea you could actually make uh several  you can also improve uh later on.


You just have a f a few selected buttons and uh a few menus , and with this idea you could actually make uh several  you can also improve uh later on.


So you think it's will be better to have a t kinda total touch screen.


So you think it's will be better to have a t kinda total touch screen.

Yeah , I wou I would actually go for the


Yeah , I wou I would actually go for the

Okay , I agree , but I think it's very important that they always um make the same buttons accessible , so use just for special options a part of the touch screen.


Okay , I agree , but I think it's very important that they always um make the same buttons accessible , so use just for special options a part of the touch screen.


Okay , I agree , but I think it's very important that they always um make the same buttons accessible , so use just for special options a part of the touch screen.

And so um an elder designer picks up th the  of


And so um an elder designer picks up th the  of


And so um an elder designer picks up th the  of

an elder parents or grandparent picks up the remote from the little child and who's all in the systems functions , you'll have to have the possibility to turn off the T_V_ or to switch the channel without um well using all the menu structures to get back to the primary functions.


an elder parents or grandparent picks up the remote from the little child and who's all in the systems functions , you'll have to have the possibility to turn off the T_V_ or to switch the channel without um well using all the menu structures to get back to the primary functions.

Yeah , I had another uh idea about maybe parental control. Um ,


Yeah , I had another uh idea about maybe parental control. Um ,

like building in uh some kind of PIN code uh which allows uh parents to switch to all channels , uh


like building in uh some kind of PIN code uh which allows uh parents to switch to all channels , uh

but children uh  if children don't don't know the PIN code , they can't switch to uh violent uh channels or


but children uh  if children don't don't know the PIN code , they can't switch to uh violent uh channels or

That is possible , that  well that actually depends on the television ,


That is possible , that  well that actually depends on the television ,


does it have to depend on the television ?


does it have to depend on the television ?

Ju just a simple log-in , something like that.


Ju just a simple log-in , something like that.

y you s you see the fi uh thing is when you buy a remote , you you set the uh channels , the the channels are different on each te television ,


y you s you see the fi uh thing is when you buy a remote , you you set the uh channels , the the channels are different on each te television ,


so uh if you uh lock on a remote , uh let's say channel fifteen , well channel fifteen on this television is different than channel fifteen on the other television ,


so uh if you uh lock on a remote , uh let's say channel fifteen , well channel fifteen on this television is different than channel fifteen on the other television ,

so that would be uh that would be actually the main concern.


so that would be uh that would be actually the main concern.

Well , I think that he means that um maybe by some option uh  make sure that um remote control and the T_V_ match , and then after that you can um use some s insert some passwords as being apparent that the children cannot use this uh  change the settings of the T_V_ , like colour and then volume


Well , I think that he means that um maybe by some option uh  make sure that um remote control and the T_V_ match , and then after that you can um use some s insert some passwords as being apparent that the children cannot use this uh  change the settings of the T_V_ , like colour and then volume


Well , I think that he means that um maybe by some option uh  make sure that um remote control and the T_V_ match , and then after that you can um use some s insert some passwords as being apparent that the children cannot use this uh  change the settings of the T_V_ , like colour and then volume

Yeah , th that kind of stuff , but maybe um if you log in first as a parent um , you address the the channels


Yeah , th that kind of stuff , but maybe um if you log in first as a parent um , you address the the channels


Yeah , th that kind of stuff , but maybe um if you log in first as a parent um , you address the the channels

and like uh oh , that's channel fifteen , that's uh vi violent channel ,


and like uh oh , that's channel fifteen , that's uh vi violent channel ,


and like uh oh , that's channel fifteen , that's uh vi violent channel ,

uh m my ki my kids uh  I don't want my kids to watch that ,


uh m my ki my kids uh  I don't want my kids to watch that ,


uh m my ki my kids uh  I don't want my kids to watch that ,

then you set the priority to only parents ,


then you set the priority to only parents ,


then you set the priority to only parents ,

Well b but make it a separate option in the menu ,


Well b but make it a separate option in the menu ,


so that it's it's dif dis displayed from uh  displayed here ,


Yeah. Okay. But let's not uh go too wide about the  those things , that's that why we're here.


Yeah. Okay. But let's not uh go too wide about the  those things , that's that why we're here.

It's it's a nice idea , but I think that's we wel  later in the stage. I've one little question about um a total touch screen or uh um a p


It's it's a nice idea , but I think that's we wel  later in the stage. I've one little question about um a total touch screen or uh um a p

yeah , a partial , uh because I think uh elderly people may be uh not used to uh a touch screen , so they want the the the normal functions like teletext , volume changing , um uh to be uh , yeah , kinda traditionals


yeah , a partial , uh because I think uh elderly people may be uh not used to uh a touch screen , so they want the the the normal functions like teletext , volume changing , um uh to be uh , yeah , kinda traditionals

uh and uh  the the the the other functions , the more difficult functions uh to be uh maybe on the touch screen ,


uh and uh  the the the the other functions , the more difficult functions uh to be uh maybe on the touch screen ,

but to keep this as uh normal as possible , to keep it accessible.


uh and uh  the the the the other functions , the more difficult functions uh to be uh maybe on the touch screen ,

but to keep this as uh normal as possible , to keep it accessible.

Yeah , but but if you display it on L_C_D_ screen with r r really big numbers


but to keep this as uh normal as possible , to keep it accessible.

Yeah , but but if you display it on L_C_D_ screen with r r really big numbers

Yeah , you can de display it on the on the old style.


Yeah , but but if you display it on L_C_D_ screen with r r really big numbers

Yeah , you can de display it on the on the old style.


Yeah , you can de display it on the on the old style.

You can display actual buttons on the touch screens.


You can display actual buttons on the touch screens.


because well , it's just not the same when you touch a touch screen


because well , it's just not the same when you touch a touch screen

or when you touch a button , but well we have to look at what's our target uh audience.


or when you touch a button , but well we have to look at what's our target uh audience.


Yeah , yeah yeah , yeah , that's a good point. Yep.


Yeah , yeah yeah , yeah , that's a good point. Yep.

And th those young people , yeah. Y you saw it in my marketing report , they like the new fancy stuff ,


Yeah , yeah yeah , yeah , that's a good point. Yep.

And th those young people , yeah. Y you saw it in my marketing report , they like the new fancy stuff ,

Mm-hmm. They like the fancy stuff , yeah. That's true.


And th those young people , yeah. Y you saw it in my marketing report , they like the new fancy stuff ,

Mm-hmm. They like the fancy stuff , yeah. That's true.

so  A touch screen , like Microsoft al already developed something like that for uh uh multi-media applications.


Mm-hmm. They like the fancy stuff , yeah. That's true.

so  A touch screen , like Microsoft al already developed something like that for uh uh multi-media applications.


so  A touch screen , like Microsoft al already developed something like that for uh uh multi-media applications.

Mm  Yeah. Okay , as you can see uh the minutes from the second meeting , this one , are uh  are done.


Mm  Yeah. Okay , as you can see uh the minutes from the second meeting , this one , are uh  are done.


Mm  Yeah. Okay , as you can see uh the minutes from the second meeting , this one , are uh  are done.

Uh I've uh added the  this uh four things from the management board just to keep in mind.


Uh I've uh added the  this uh four things from the management board just to keep in mind.

Um each time I uh I had a sort of uh summary on what you told and uh what you personal think. Uh so that can be uh can be read out. Uh a f a few things I uh I noticed uh were um  Moment. Ooh. Uh th the the main points in uh this uh uh in this uh meeting is I think uh how uh it's going to look uh with uh  we must keep it simple , but have the opportunity to uh have more options and have them uh hidden or something , so they don't  uh you don't have a big uh thing full of uh buttons or uh  um and uh the point that uh you uh wanna use one uh controller uh for uh uh hypothetically  each television , so you must uh the the the the functions , know , like the menus or the the parental control must be all uh by the  done by the remote control and not by the television. I think that's the point what uh


Um each time I uh I had a sort of uh summary on what you told and uh what you personal think. Uh so that can be uh can be read out. Uh a f a few things I uh I noticed uh were um  Moment. Ooh. Uh th the the main points in uh this uh uh in this uh meeting is I think uh how uh it's going to look uh with uh  we must keep it simple , but have the opportunity to uh have more options and have them uh hidden or something , so they don't  uh you don't have a big uh thing full of uh buttons or uh  um and uh the point that uh you uh wanna use one uh controller uh for uh uh hypothetically  each television , so you must uh the the the the functions , know , like the menus or the the parental control must be all uh by the  done by the remote control and not by the television. I think that's the point what uh


Yeah , yeah , some of them. The menus uh are not identical for all th for all T_V_s , so you have to display it on one uh T_V_.


Yeah , yeah , some of them. The menus uh are not identical for all th for all T_V_s , so you have to display it on one uh T_V_.

Well you can use um  when you   uh how do you call it , s um synchronized , the um remote and the T_V_ ,


Yeah , yeah , some of them. The menus uh are not identical for all th for all T_V_s , so you have to display it on one uh T_V_.

Well you can use um  when you   uh how do you call it , s um synchronized , the um remote and the T_V_ ,

then there's always , there are always uh possibilities to change the colour and the brightness and the volume


Well you can use um  when you   uh how do you call it , s um synchronized , the um remote and the T_V_ ,

then there's always , there are always uh possibilities to change the colour and the brightness and the volume


then there's always , there are always uh possibilities to change the colour and the brightness and the volume

and um well maybe we can look out if there's options that the remote um in its memory can see what kinda T_V_ it is , from  ah , it's a Philips , this and this and that , and then give the options that are capable  the  capable from the t


and um well maybe we can look out if there's options that the remote um in its memory can see what kinda T_V_ it is , from  ah , it's a Philips , this and this and that , and then give the options that are capable  the  capable from the t


and um well maybe we can look out if there's options that the remote um in its memory can see what kinda T_V_ it is , from  ah , it's a Philips , this and this and that , and then give the options that are capable  the  capable from the t

yeah , but you have an international market range , so you have I think a big range of


yeah , but you have an international market range , so you have I think a big range of

Well there are universal d um um remotes


yeah , but you have an international market range , so you have I think a big range of

Well there are universal d um um remotes

and they all have a functionality for all the T_V_s , uh so this wouldn't be a extra feature to incorporate the men menus of these.


Well there are universal d um um remotes

and they all have a functionality for all the T_V_s , uh so this wouldn't be a extra feature to incorporate the men menus of these.


and they all have a functionality for all the T_V_s , uh so this wouldn't be a extra feature to incorporate the men menus of these.


Well they uh they all have to be programmed to fit your T_V_


I actually use one of those when  They are they are kinda kinda troublesome , but but the thing is whe when you uh start uh building something like this you have to build a receiver into the uh t into the remotes , because uh in order for the remote to process something from the T_V_ , like uh to synchronise and you have to send and receive ,


He he he he me he means just just one other thing.


He he he he me he means just just one other thing.

Uh , with the current remote controls , the universal ones , um you have to press  yeah , you have to press a code for T_V_.


Uh , with the current remote controls , the universal ones , um you have to press  yeah , you have to press a code for T_V_.


Uh , with the current remote controls , the universal ones , um you have to press  yeah , you have to press a code for T_V_.

In codes , y you you get a b a book with codes. You look up , I have a Philips H_ fifty five


In codes , y you you get a b a book with codes. You look up , I have a Philips H_ fifty five


and you press code four five five on the  uh in the remote


and you press code four five five on the  uh in the remote

and it displays all your uh menu options.


and you press code four five five on the  uh in the remote

and it displays all your uh menu options.

Oh , yeah yeah , sure , that would be possible , yeah.


and it displays all your uh menu options.

Oh , yeah yeah , sure , that would be possible , yeah.

Yeah. Now we uh just connect uh the T_V_ type uh to a set of options , in  just just in the memory ,


Oh , yeah yeah , sure , that would be possible , yeah.

Yeah. Now we uh just connect uh the T_V_ type uh to a set of options , in  just just in the memory ,


Yeah. Now we uh just connect uh the T_V_ type uh to a set of options , in  just just in the memory ,


so that if you  yeah , like profile , so that if you uh touch in like uh one four one zero kind of T_V_ uh


so that if you  yeah , like profile , so that if you uh touch in like uh one four one zero kind of T_V_ uh

Yeah. Yeah , that would be possible. Yeah , sure.


Yeah. Yeah , that would be possible. Yeah , sure.


Yeah. Yeah , that would be possible. Yeah , sure.

I th don't think that's uh  that takes a lot of storage space or some just varia variables.


I th don't think that's uh  that takes a lot of storage space or some just varia variables.


if you look at the um manuals from universal uh remotes , there are maybe um three four hundreds T_V_s at maximum. If you have all of them , all the old and new T_V_s summed up ,


But , on the other hand on the other hand , uh if you have a remote and buy a new T_V_ that isn't incorporated in the remote


But , on the other hand on the other hand , uh if you have a remote and buy a new T_V_ that isn't incorporated in the remote

Yeah. Well then you have to buy a new one , it's very good for marketing


Yeah. Well then you have to buy a new one , it's very good for marketing


maybe we can incorporate some kind of uh U_S_B_ or a firewire connection , so that you can uh connect it to the P_C_ and download the newest firmware from uh from the internet.


maybe we can incorporate some kind of uh U_S_B_ or a firewire connection , so that you can uh connect it to the P_C_ and download the newest firmware from uh from the internet.

Well , not everybody has uh has uh a P_C_ at home. Well the most most people have ,


Well , not everybody has uh has uh a P_C_ at home. Well the most most people have ,


Or you could  well you could s actually look at the place-holder you talked about earlier ,


Or you could  well you could s actually look at the place-holder you talked about earlier ,

and you could probably uh make a connection to uh an telephone line or a internet connection.


Or you could  well you could s actually look at the place-holder you talked about earlier ,

and you could probably uh make a connection to uh an telephone line or a internet connection.

Yeah. Well already digital information is sent t to the the standards , T_V_ uh connections ,


and you could probably uh make a connection to uh an telephone line or a internet connection.

Yeah. Well already digital information is sent t to the the standards , T_V_ uh connections ,


and you could probably uh make a connection to uh an telephone line or a internet connection.

Yeah. Well already digital information is sent t to the the standards , T_V_ uh connections ,

you can see what's uh programme is on on the new uh channels , so maybe j they  we can send that information along with standard T_V_ uh


Yeah. Well already digital information is sent t to the the standards , T_V_ uh connections ,

you can see what's uh programme is on on the new uh channels , so maybe j they  we can send that information along with standard T_V_ uh

Well then then it's be uh back to the building a receiving uh  well uh if it's actually worth it to build it in ,


you can see what's uh programme is on on the new uh channels , so maybe j they  we can send that information along with standard T_V_ uh

Well then then it's be uh back to the building a receiving uh  well uh if it's actually worth it to build it in ,


Well then then it's be uh back to the building a receiving uh  well uh if it's actually worth it to build it in ,


but  I dunno , it it would be uh bringing more costs  uh with with it


but  I dunno , it it would be uh bringing more costs  uh with with it

I I think it's uh most cheap or cheapest to just do the updates uh at the service centre or at the shop.


I I think it's uh most cheap or cheapest to just do the updates uh at the service centre or at the shop.

Yeah yeah , uh s I think some  I think it's good idea , yeah.


I I think it's uh most cheap or cheapest to just do the updates uh at the service centre or at the shop.

Yeah yeah , uh s I think some  I think it's good idea , yeah.

Yeah , that would be probably best , yeah.


Yeah yeah , uh s I think some  I think it's good idea , yeah.

Yeah , that would be probably best , yeah.

Like when you when you buy a T_V_ you just ask  well I'll


Yeah , that would be probably best , yeah.

Like when you when you buy a T_V_ you just ask  well I'll

It's it's it's not a lot of work , just one uh docking station where you put it in ,


Like when you when you buy a T_V_ you just ask  well I'll

It's it's it's not a lot of work , just one uh docking station where you put it in ,


It's it's it's not a lot of work , just one uh docking station where you put it in ,


Yeah.  You don't buy a T_V_ every week , new teev so.


Yeah.  You don't buy a T_V_ every week , new teev so.

Okay , let's uh save this in the meanwhile uh


Yeah.  You don't buy a T_V_ every week , new teev so.

Okay , let's uh save this in the meanwhile uh

Um m for which one are we going ?  My mistake.


Okay , let's uh save this in the meanwhile uh

Um m for which one are we going ?  My mistake.


Um m for which one are we going ?  My mistake.


Well , I was uh doubting about which one to take , but uh you've convinced me that uh if you di display buttons about the same as they would look on a normal um remote all elderly people will know what to do.


Well , I was uh doubting about which one to take , but uh you've convinced me that uh if you di display buttons about the same as they would look on a normal um remote all elderly people will know what to do.

And also like a clapping uh li like device that uh pops open.


And also like a clapping uh li like device that uh pops open.


Uh too difficult , um maybe uh it's easier to break it.


Like my telephone , it's uh it's sensitive too.


So you think we 're going now , yes ? OK , good. Alright Going again Uh  So we 're gonna go around as before , and uh do  do our digits. Uh transcript one three one one dash one three three zero.  three two three  four seven six five  five three one six two four one  six seven  seven  eight  nine zero nine four zero zero three  zero one five eight  one seven three five three  two six eight zero  three six two four three zero seven  four  five zero six nine four  seven four  eight five seven  nine six one five  O seven eight O two  zero nine six zero four zero zero  one  two  Uh  Yeah , you don't actually n need to say the name.


So you think we 're going now , yes ? OK , good. Alright Going again Uh  So we 're gonna go around as before , and uh do  do our digits. Uh transcript one three one one dash one three three zero.  three two three  four seven six five  five three one six two four one  six seven  seven  eight  nine zero nine four zero zero three  zero one five eight  one seven three five three  two six eight zero  three six two four three zero seven  four  five zero six nine four  seven four  eight five seven  nine six one five  O seven eight O two  zero nine six zero four zero zero  one  two  Uh  Yeah , you don't actually n need to say the name.

OK ,  this is Barry Chen and I am reading transcript


OK ,  this is Barry Chen and I am reading transcript

So. That 's if these are anonymized , but  Yeah


So. That 's if these are anonymized , but  Yeah


So. That 's if these are anonymized , but  Yeah

uh  I mean  not that there 's anything defamatory about uh  eight five seven or  or anything , but


uh  I mean  not that there 's anything defamatory about uh  eight five seven or  or anything , but

Uh , anyway. Uh  so here 's what I have for  I  I was just jotting down things I think th w that we should do today. Uh  This is what I have for an agenda so far Um , We should talk a little bit about the plans for the uh  the field trip next week. Uh  a number of us are doing a field trip to uh Uh  OGI And uh  mostly uh First though about the logistics for it. Then maybe later on in the meeting we should talk about what we actually you know , might accomplish. Uh


Uh , anyway. Uh  so here 's what I have for  I  I was just jotting down things I think th w that we should do today. Uh  This is what I have for an agenda so far Um , We should talk a little bit about the plans for the uh  the field trip next week. Uh  a number of us are doing a field trip to uh Uh  OGI And uh  mostly uh First though about the logistics for it. Then maybe later on in the meeting we should talk about what we actually you know , might accomplish. Uh

Uh , in and  kind of go around  see what people have been doing  talk about that ,  a r progress report. Um , Essentially. Um  And then uh  Another topic I had was that uh  uh  Uh  Dave here had uh said uh " Give me something to do. " And I  I have  I have uh  failed so far in doing that. And so maybe we can discuss that a little bit. If we find some holes in some things that  that  someone could use some help with , he 's  he 's volunteering to help.


Uh , in and  kind of go around  see what people have been doing  talk about that ,  a r progress report. Um , Essentially. Um  And then uh  Another topic I had was that uh  uh  Uh  Dave here had uh said uh " Give me something to do. " And I  I have  I have uh  failed so far in doing that. And so maybe we can discuss that a little bit. If we find some holes in some things that  that  someone could use some help with , he 's  he 's volunteering to help.

OK , always count on a  serious comment from that corner. So , um , uh , and uh , then uh , talk a little bit about  about disks and resource  resource issues that  that 's starting to get worked out. And then , anything else anybody has that isn't in that list ? Uh


Uh , in and  kind of go around  see what people have been doing  talk about that ,  a r progress report. Um , Essentially. Um  And then uh  Another topic I had was that uh  uh  Uh  Dave here had uh said uh " Give me something to do. " And I  I have  I have uh  failed so far in doing that. And so maybe we can discuss that a little bit. If we find some holes in some things that  that  someone could use some help with , he 's  he 's volunteering to help.

OK , always count on a  serious comment from that corner. So , um , uh , and uh , then uh , talk a little bit about  about disks and resource  resource issues that  that 's starting to get worked out. And then , anything else anybody has that isn't in that list ? Uh

I was just wondering , does this mean the battery 's dying and I should change it ?


OK , always count on a  serious comment from that corner. So , um , uh , and uh , then uh , talk a little bit about  about disks and resource  resource issues that  that 's starting to get worked out. And then , anything else anybody has that isn't in that list ? Uh

I was just wondering , does this mean the battery 's dying and I should change it ?

Uh I think that means the battery 's O K.


I was just wondering , does this mean the battery 's dying and I should change it ?

Uh I think that means the battery 's O K.


Uh I think that means the battery 's O K.


Yeah. Yeah. It looks full of electrons. OK. Plenty of electrons left there. OK , so , um , uh. OK , so , uh , I wanted to start this with this mundane thing. Um  Uh  I  I  it was  it was kind of my bright idea to have us take a plane that leaves at seven twenty in the morning.


Yeah. Yeah. It looks full of electrons. OK. Plenty of electrons left there. OK , so , um , uh. OK , so , uh , I wanted to start this with this mundane thing. Um  Uh  I  I  it was  it was kind of my bright idea to have us take a plane that leaves at seven twenty in the morning.

Um. Uh  this is uh  The reason I did it uh was because otherwise for those of us who have to come back the same day it is really not much of a  of a visit. Uh  So um the issue is how  how  how would we ever accomplish that ? Uh  what  what  what part of town do you live in ?


Yeah. Yeah. It looks full of electrons. OK. Plenty of electrons left there. OK , so , um , uh. OK , so , uh , I wanted to start this with this mundane thing. Um  Uh  I  I  it was  it was kind of my bright idea to have us take a plane that leaves at seven twenty in the morning.

Um. Uh  this is uh  The reason I did it uh was because otherwise for those of us who have to come back the same day it is really not much of a  of a visit. Uh  So um the issue is how  how  how would we ever accomplish that ? Uh  what  what  what part of town do you live in ?

Um , I live in , um , the corner of campus. The , um , southeast corner.


Um. Uh  this is uh  The reason I did it uh was because otherwise for those of us who have to come back the same day it is really not much of a  of a visit. Uh  So um the issue is how  how  how would we ever accomplish that ? Uh  what  what  what part of town do you live in ?

Um , I live in , um , the corner of campus. The , um , southeast corner.

OK. OK , so would it be easier  those of you who are not , you know , used to this area , it can be very tricky to get to the airport at  at uh , you know , six thirty. Um. So. Would it be easier for you if you came here and I drove you ? Yeah ? Yeah , yeah , OK.


Um , I live in , um , the corner of campus. The , um , southeast corner.

OK. OK , so would it be easier  those of you who are not , you know , used to this area , it can be very tricky to get to the airport at  at uh , you know , six thirty. Um. So. Would it be easier for you if you came here and I drove you ? Yeah ? Yeah , yeah , OK.


OK. OK , so would it be easier  those of you who are not , you know , used to this area , it can be very tricky to get to the airport at  at uh , you know , six thirty. Um. So. Would it be easier for you if you came here and I drove you ? Yeah ? Yeah , yeah , OK.


OK , so if  if everybody can get here at six.


OK , so if  if everybody can get here at six.

Yeah , I 'm afraid we need to do that to get there on time.


Yeah , I 'm afraid we need to do that to get there on time.


Yeah. Yeah , so I 'll just pull up in front at six and just be out front. And , uh , and yeah , that 'll be plenty of time. It 'll take  it  it  it won't be bad traffic that time of day and  and uh


Yeah. Yeah , so I 'll just pull up in front at six and just be out front. And , uh , and yeah , that 'll be plenty of time. It 'll take  it  it  it won't be bad traffic that time of day and  and uh

I guess once you get past the bridge  that that would be the worst.


I guess once you get past the bridge  that that would be the worst.


Once you get past the turnoff to the  Bay Bridge.


I mean , just go down Martin Luther King.


I mean , just go down Martin Luther King.

And then Martin Luther King to nine - eighty to eight - eighty ,


And then Martin Luther King to nine - eighty to eight - eighty ,

and it 's  it 'd take us , tops uh thirty minutes to get there.


and it 's  it 'd take us , tops uh thirty minutes to get there.

So that leaves us fifty minutes before the plane  it 'll just  yeah. So Great , OK so that 'll It 's  I mean , it 's still not going to be really easy but  well Particularly for  for uh  for Barry and me , we 're not  we 're not staying overnight so we don't need to bring anything particularly except for  uh  a pad of paper and   So , and , uh you , two have to bring a little bit


So that leaves us fifty minutes before the plane  it 'll just  yeah. So Great , OK so that 'll It 's  I mean , it 's still not going to be really easy but  well Particularly for  for uh  for Barry and me , we 're not  we 're not staying overnight so we don't need to bring anything particularly except for  uh  a pad of paper and   So , and , uh you , two have to bring a little bit

but uh  you know , don't  don't bring a footlocker and we 'll be OK So.


but uh  you know , don't  don't bring a footlocker and we 'll be OK So.

W you 're staying overnight. I figured you wouldn't need a great big suitcase , yeah.


W you 're staying overnight. I figured you wouldn't need a great big suitcase , yeah.

That 's sort of   one night. So. Anyway. OK.


That 's sort of   one night. So. Anyway. OK.


Uh , I 'll be here. Uh  I 'll  I 'll  I 'll  I 'll give you my phone number , If I 'm not here for a few m after a few minutes then


Uh , I 'll be here. Uh  I 'll  I 'll  I 'll  I 'll give you my phone number , If I 'm not here for a few m after a few minutes then

Nah , I 'll be fine. I just , uh  it  for me it just means getting up a half an hour earlier than I usually do. Not  not  not a lot ,


Nah , I 'll be fine. I just , uh  it  for me it just means getting up a half an hour earlier than I usually do. Not  not  not a lot ,

so OK , that was the real real important stuff. Um , I  I  I figured maybe wait on the potential goals for the meeting uh  until we talk about wh what 's been going on. So , uh , what 's been going on ? Why don't we start  start over here.


Nah , I 'll be fine. I just , uh  it  for me it just means getting up a half an hour earlier than I usually do. Not  not  not a lot ,

so OK , that was the real real important stuff. Um , I  I  I figured maybe wait on the potential goals for the meeting uh  until we talk about wh what 's been going on. So , uh , what 's been going on ? Why don't we start  start over here.

Um.  Well , preparation of the French test data actually.


so OK , that was the real real important stuff. Um , I  I  I figured maybe wait on the potential goals for the meeting uh  until we talk about wh what 's been going on. So , uh , what 's been going on ? Why don't we start  start over here.

Um.  Well , preparation of the French test data actually.


so OK , that was the real real important stuff. Um , I  I  I figured maybe wait on the potential goals for the meeting uh  until we talk about wh what 's been going on. So , uh , what 's been going on ? Why don't we start  start over here.

Um.  Well , preparation of the French test data actually.

So ,  it means that um , well , it is , uh , a digit French database of microphone speech , downsampled to eight kilohertz and I 've added noise to one part , with the  actually the Aurora - two noises. And , @ @ so this is a training part. And then  the remaining part , I use for testing and  with other kind of noises. So we can  So this is almost ready. I 'm preparing the  the HTK baseline for this task. And , yeah.


Um.  Well , preparation of the French test data actually.

So ,  it means that um , well , it is , uh , a digit French database of microphone speech , downsampled to eight kilohertz and I 've added noise to one part , with the  actually the Aurora - two noises. And , @ @ so this is a training part. And then  the remaining part , I use for testing and  with other kind of noises. So we can  So this is almost ready. I 'm preparing the  the HTK baseline for this task. And , yeah.

OK Uh , So the HTK base lines  so this is using mel cepstra and so on , or  ? Yeah. OK.


So ,  it means that um , well , it is , uh , a digit French database of microphone speech , downsampled to eight kilohertz and I 've added noise to one part , with the  actually the Aurora - two noises. And , @ @ so this is a training part. And then  the remaining part , I use for testing and  with other kind of noises. So we can  So this is almost ready. I 'm preparing the  the HTK baseline for this task. And , yeah.

OK Uh , So the HTK base lines  so this is using mel cepstra and so on , or  ? Yeah. OK.


So ,  it means that um , well , it is , uh , a digit French database of microphone speech , downsampled to eight kilohertz and I 've added noise to one part , with the  actually the Aurora - two noises. And , @ @ so this is a training part. And then  the remaining part , I use for testing and  with other kind of noises. So we can  So this is almost ready. I 'm preparing the  the HTK baseline for this task. And , yeah.

OK Uh , So the HTK base lines  so this is using mel cepstra and so on , or  ? Yeah. OK.

And again , I guess the p the plan is , uh , to uh  then given this  What 's the plan again ?


OK Uh , So the HTK base lines  so this is using mel cepstra and so on , or  ? Yeah. OK.

And again , I guess the p the plan is , uh , to uh  then given this  What 's the plan again ?


And again , I guess the p the plan is , uh , to uh  then given this  What 's the plan again ?

With  So  So  Does i Just remind me of what  what you were going to do with the  what  what  what  what 's  y You just described what you 've been doing. So if you could remind me of what you 're going to be doing.


With  So  So  Does i Just remind me of what  what you were going to do with the  what  what  what  what 's  y You just described what you 've been doing. So if you could remind me of what you 're going to be doing.


Well. The cube ? I should tell him about the cube ?


Uh we  actually we want to , mmm , Uh ,  uh , analyze three dimensions , the feature dimension , the  training data dimension , and the test data dimension. Um. Well , what we want to do is first we have number for each  uh task. So we have the um , TI - digit task , the Italian task , the French task  and the Finnish task.


Uh we  actually we want to , mmm , Uh ,  uh , analyze three dimensions , the feature dimension , the  training data dimension , and the test data dimension. Um. Well , what we want to do is first we have number for each  uh task. So we have the um , TI - digit task , the Italian task , the French task  and the Finnish task.

So we have numbers with  uh  systems  I mean  I mean neural networks trained on the task data. And then to have systems with neural networks trained on ,  uh , data from the same language , if possible , with , well , using a more generic database , which is phonetically  phonetically balanced , and. Um.


Uh we  actually we want to , mmm , Uh ,  uh , analyze three dimensions , the feature dimension , the  training data dimension , and the test data dimension. Um. Well , what we want to do is first we have number for each  uh task. So we have the um , TI - digit task , the Italian task , the French task  and the Finnish task.

So we have numbers with  uh  systems  I mean  I mean neural networks trained on the task data. And then to have systems with neural networks trained on ,  uh , data from the same language , if possible , with , well , using a more generic database , which is phonetically  phonetically balanced , and. Um.

So - so we had talked  I guess we had talked at one point about maybe , the language ID corpus ?


So we have numbers with  uh  systems  I mean  I mean neural networks trained on the task data. And then to have systems with neural networks trained on ,  uh , data from the same language , if possible , with , well , using a more generic database , which is phonetically  phonetically balanced , and. Um.

So - so we had talked  I guess we had talked at one point about maybe , the language ID corpus ?


So - so we had talked  I guess we had talked at one point about maybe , the language ID corpus ?

Ye - uh   Yeah , but , uh these corpus , w w there is a CallHome and a CallFriend also , The CallFriend is for language ind identification. Well , anyway , these corpus are all telephone speech. So , um.  This could be a   a problem for  Why ? Because uh , uh , the  the SpeechDat databases are not telephone speech. They are downsampled to eight kilohertz but  but they are not  uh with telephone bandwidth.


Ye - uh   Yeah , but , uh these corpus , w w there is a CallHome and a CallFriend also , The CallFriend is for language ind identification. Well , anyway , these corpus are all telephone speech. So , um.  This could be a   a problem for  Why ? Because uh , uh , the  the SpeechDat databases are not telephone speech. They are downsampled to eight kilohertz but  but they are not  uh with telephone bandwidth.

Yeah. That 's really funny isn't it ? I mean cuz th this whole thing is for  developing new standards for the telephone.


Yeah. That 's really funny isn't it ? I mean cuz th this whole thing is for  developing new standards for the telephone.

Yeah , but the  the idea is to compute the feature before  the  before sending them to the  Well ,  you don't  do not send speech , you send features , computed on th the   the device ,


Yeah , but the  the idea is to compute the feature before  the  before sending them to the  Well ,  you don't  do not send speech , you send features , computed on th the   the device ,

Mm - hmm. Yeah , I know , but the reason


Yeah , but the  the idea is to compute the feature before  the  before sending them to the  Well ,  you don't  do not send speech , you send features , computed on th the   the device ,

Mm - hmm. Yeah , I know , but the reason

Oh I see , so your point is that it 's  it 's  it 's uh  the features are computed locally , and so they aren't necessarily telephone bandwidth , uh or telephone distortions.


Mm - hmm. Yeah , I know , but the reason

Oh I see , so your point is that it 's  it 's  it 's uh  the features are computed locally , and so they aren't necessarily telephone bandwidth , uh or telephone distortions.


Oh I see , so your point is that it 's  it 's  it 's uh  the features are computed locally , and so they aren't necessarily telephone bandwidth , uh or telephone distortions.

Did you  happen to find out anything about the OGI multilingual database ?


Oh I see , so your point is that it 's  it 's  it 's uh  the features are computed locally , and so they aren't necessarily telephone bandwidth , uh or telephone distortions.

Did you  happen to find out anything about the OGI multilingual database ?

Yeah , that 's wh that 's wh that 's what I meant.


Did you  happen to find out anything about the OGI multilingual database ?

Yeah , that 's wh that 's wh that 's what I meant.


Did you  happen to find out anything about the OGI multilingual database ?

Yeah , that 's wh that 's wh that 's what I meant.

I said  @ @ , there 's  there 's  there 's an OGI language ID , not the  not the , uh  the CallFriend is a  is a , uh , LDC w thing , right ?


Yeah , that 's wh that 's wh that 's what I meant.

I said  @ @ , there 's  there 's  there 's an OGI language ID , not the  not the , uh  the CallFriend is a  is a , uh , LDC w thing , right ?

Yea - Yeah , there are also two other databases. One they call the multi - language database , and another one is a twenty - two language , something like that. But it 's also telephone speech.


I said  @ @ , there 's  there 's  there 's an OGI language ID , not the  not the , uh  the CallFriend is a  is a , uh , LDC w thing , right ?

Yea - Yeah , there are also two other databases. One they call the multi - language database , and another one is a twenty - two language , something like that. But it 's also telephone speech.


Yea - Yeah , there are also two other databases. One they call the multi - language database , and another one is a twenty - two language , something like that. But it 's also telephone speech.


I mean , we ' r e e The bandwidth shouldn't be such an issue right ? Because e e this is downsampled and  and filtered , right ? So it 's just the fact that it 's not telephone. And there are so many other differences between these different databases. I mean some of this stuff 's recorded in the car , and some of it 's  I mean there 's  there 's many different acoustic differences. So I 'm not sure if . I mean , unless we 're going to include a bunch of car recordings in the  in the training database , I 'm not sure if it 's  completely rules it out


I mean , we ' r e e The bandwidth shouldn't be such an issue right ? Because e e this is downsampled and  and filtered , right ? So it 's just the fact that it 's not telephone. And there are so many other differences between these different databases. I mean some of this stuff 's recorded in the car , and some of it 's  I mean there 's  there 's many different acoustic differences. So I 'm not sure if . I mean , unless we 're going to include a bunch of car recordings in the  in the training database , I 'm not sure if it 's  completely rules it out

if our  if we  if our major goal is to have phonetic context and you figure that there 's gonna be a mismatch in acoustic conditions does it make it much worse f to sort of add another mismatch , if you will.


if our  if we  if our major goal is to have phonetic context and you figure that there 's gonna be a mismatch in acoustic conditions does it make it much worse f to sort of add another mismatch , if you will.

Uh , i i I  I guess the question is how important is it to  for us to get multiple languages uh , in there.


if our  if we  if our major goal is to have phonetic context and you figure that there 's gonna be a mismatch in acoustic conditions does it make it much worse f to sort of add another mismatch , if you will.

Uh , i i I  I guess the question is how important is it to  for us to get multiple languages uh , in there.

Yeah , but  Mm - hmm.  Um. Yeah. Well , actually , for the moment if we w do not want to use these phone databases , we  we already have uh  English , Spanish and French uh , with microphone speech.


Uh , i i I  I guess the question is how important is it to  for us to get multiple languages uh , in there.

Yeah , but  Mm - hmm.  Um. Yeah. Well , actually , for the moment if we w do not want to use these phone databases , we  we already have uh  English , Spanish and French uh , with microphone speech.


Yeah , but  Mm - hmm.  Um. Yeah. Well , actually , for the moment if we w do not want to use these phone databases , we  we already have uh  English , Spanish and French uh , with microphone speech.

So that 's what you 're thinking of using is sort of the multi the equivalent of the multiple ?


So that 's what you 're thinking of using is sort of the multi the equivalent of the multiple ?

Well. Yeah , for the multilingual part we were thinking of using these three databases.


So that 's what you 're thinking of using is sort of the multi the equivalent of the multiple ?

Well. Yeah , for the multilingual part we were thinking of using these three databases.

And for the difference in phonetic context  that you  ? Provide that.


So that 's what you 're thinking of using is sort of the multi the equivalent of the multiple ?

Well. Yeah , for the multilingual part we were thinking of using these three databases.

And for the difference in phonetic context  that you  ? Provide that.

Well , this  Uh , actually , these three databases are um generic databases.


Well. Yeah , for the multilingual part we were thinking of using these three databases.

And for the difference in phonetic context  that you  ? Provide that.

Well , this  Uh , actually , these three databases are um generic databases.


And for the difference in phonetic context  that you  ? Provide that.

Well , this  Uh , actually , these three databases are um generic databases.

So w f for  for uh Italian , which is close to Spanish , French and , i i uh , TI - digits we have both uh , digits  training data and also  more general training data. So. Mmm.


Well , this  Uh , actually , these three databases are um generic databases.

So w f for  for uh Italian , which is close to Spanish , French and , i i uh , TI - digits we have both uh , digits  training data and also  more general training data. So. Mmm.

Well , we also have this Broadcast News that we were talking about taking off the disk , which is   is microphone data for  for English.


So w f for  for uh Italian , which is close to Spanish , French and , i i uh , TI - digits we have both uh , digits  training data and also  more general training data. So. Mmm.

Well , we also have this Broadcast News that we were talking about taking off the disk , which is   is microphone data for  for English.

Yeah. Yeah , perhaps  yeah , there is also TIMIT.


Well , we also have this Broadcast News that we were talking about taking off the disk , which is   is microphone data for  for English.

Yeah. Yeah , perhaps  yeah , there is also TIMIT.


Yeah. Yeah , perhaps  yeah , there is also TIMIT.

Right. Yeah , so there 's plenty of stuff around. OK , so anyway , th the basic plan is to , uh , test this cube. Yes.


Right. Yeah , so there 's plenty of stuff around. OK , so anyway , th the basic plan is to , uh , test this cube. Yes.


Yeah , and perhaps , um   We were thinking that perhaps the cross - language issue is not , uh , so big of a issue. Well , w w we  perhaps we should not focus too much on that cross - language stuff. I mean , uh , training  training a net on a language and testing a for another language.


Yeah , and perhaps , um   We were thinking that perhaps the cross - language issue is not , uh , so big of a issue. Well , w w we  perhaps we should not focus too much on that cross - language stuff. I mean , uh , training  training a net on a language and testing a for another language.

Mmm. Perhaps the most important is to have neural networks trained on the target languages. But , uh , with a general database  general databases. u So that th Well , the  the guy who has to develop an application with one language can use the net trained o on that language , or a generic net ,


Yeah , and perhaps , um   We were thinking that perhaps the cross - language issue is not , uh , so big of a issue. Well , w w we  perhaps we should not focus too much on that cross - language stuff. I mean , uh , training  training a net on a language and testing a for another language.

Mmm. Perhaps the most important is to have neural networks trained on the target languages. But , uh , with a general database  general databases. u So that th Well , the  the guy who has to develop an application with one language can use the net trained o on that language , or a generic net ,

Uh , depen it depen it depends how you mean " using the net ".


Mmm. Perhaps the most important is to have neural networks trained on the target languages. But , uh , with a general database  general databases. u So that th Well , the  the guy who has to develop an application with one language can use the net trained o on that language , or a generic net ,

Uh , depen it depen it depends how you mean " using the net ".


Mmm. Perhaps the most important is to have neural networks trained on the target languages. But , uh , with a general database  general databases. u So that th Well , the  the guy who has to develop an application with one language can use the net trained o on that language , or a generic net ,

Uh , depen it depen it depends how you mean " using the net ".

So , if you 're talking about for producing these discriminative features  that we 're talking about  you can't do that.


Uh , depen it depen it depends how you mean " using the net ".

So , if you 're talking about for producing these discriminative features  that we 're talking about  you can't do that.


So , if you 're talking about for producing these discriminative features  that we 're talking about  you can't do that.

Because  because the  what they 're asking for is  is a feature set. Right ? And so , uh , we 're the ones who have been weird by  by doing this training. But if we say , " No , you have to have a different feature set for each language , " I think this is ver gonna be very bad.


Because  because the  what they 're asking for is  is a feature set. Right ? And so , uh , we 're the ones who have been weird by  by doing this training. But if we say , " No , you have to have a different feature set for each language , " I think this is ver gonna be very bad.


Yeah. I mean , in principle , I mean conceptually , it 's sort of like they want a re @ @  well , they want a replacement for mel cepstra.


Yeah. I mean , in principle , I mean conceptually , it 's sort of like they want a re @ @  well , they want a replacement for mel cepstra.

So , we say " OK , this is the year two thousand , we 've got something much better than mel cepstra. It 's , you know , gobbledy - gook. " OK ? And so  we give them these gobbledy - gook features but these gobbledy - gook features are supposed to be good for any language.


So , we say " OK , this is the year two thousand , we 've got something much better than mel cepstra. It 's , you know , gobbledy - gook. " OK ? And so  we give them these gobbledy - gook features but these gobbledy - gook features are supposed to be good for any language.

Cuz you don't know who 's gonna call , and you know , I mean so it 's  it 's  it 's , uh , uh  how do you know what language it is ? Somebody picks up the phone. So thi this is their image. Someone picks up the phone , right ?


Cuz you don't know who 's gonna call , and you know , I mean so it 's  it 's  it 's , uh , uh  how do you know what language it is ? Somebody picks up the phone. So thi this is their image. Someone picks up the phone , right ?


Cuz you don't know who 's gonna call , and you know , I mean so it 's  it 's  it 's , uh , uh  how do you know what language it is ? Somebody picks up the phone. So thi this is their image. Someone picks up the phone , right ?

Yeah , but the  the application is  there is a target language for the application.


Yeah , but the  the application is  there is a target language for the application.


Yeah , but the  the application is  there is a target language for the application.

Well. But , no but , y you  you pick up the phone ,


Well. But , no but , y you  you pick up the phone ,


and it sends features out. OK , so the phone doesn't know what a  what  what your language is.


and it sends features out. OK , so the phone doesn't know what a  what  what your language is.

Yeah , if  Yeah. If it 's th in the phone , but


and it sends features out. OK , so the phone doesn't know what a  what  what your language is.

Yeah , if  Yeah. If it 's th in the phone , but

well , it  that  that could be th at the server 's side ,


Yeah , if  Yeah. If it 's th in the phone , but

well , it  that  that could be th at the server 's side ,


well , it  that  that could be th at the server 's side ,


well , it  that  that could be th at the server 's side ,

but that 's the image they have , right ? So that 's  that 's  I mean , one could argue all over the place about how things really will be in ten years. But the particular image that the cellular industry has right now is that it 's distributed speech recognition , where the , uh , uh , probabilistic part , and  and s semantics and so forth are all on the servers , and you compute features of the  uh , on the phone. So that 's  that 's what we 're involved in. We might  might or might not agree that that 's the way it will be in ten years , but that 's  that 's  that 's what they 're asking for. So  so I think that  th th it is an important issue whether it works cross - language. Now , it 's the OGI , uh , folks ' perspective right now that probably that 's not the biggest deal. And that the biggest deal is the , um envir acoustic - environment mismatch. And they may very well be right , but I  I was hoping we could just do a test and determine if that was true. If that 's true , we don't need to worry so much. Maybe  maybe we have a couple languages in the training set and that gives us enough breadth uh , uh , that  that  that the rest doesn't matter. Um , the other thing is , uh , this notion of training to uh  which I  I guess they 're starting to look at up there ,  training to something more like articulatory features. Uh , and if you have something that 's just good for distinguishing different articulatory features that should just be good across , you know , a wide range of languages.


but that 's the image they have , right ? So that 's  that 's  I mean , one could argue all over the place about how things really will be in ten years. But the particular image that the cellular industry has right now is that it 's distributed speech recognition , where the , uh , uh , probabilistic part , and  and s semantics and so forth are all on the servers , and you compute features of the  uh , on the phone. So that 's  that 's what we 're involved in. We might  might or might not agree that that 's the way it will be in ten years , but that 's  that 's  that 's what they 're asking for. So  so I think that  th th it is an important issue whether it works cross - language. Now , it 's the OGI , uh , folks ' perspective right now that probably that 's not the biggest deal. And that the biggest deal is the , um envir acoustic - environment mismatch. And they may very well be right , but I  I was hoping we could just do a test and determine if that was true. If that 's true , we don't need to worry so much. Maybe  maybe we have a couple languages in the training set and that gives us enough breadth uh , uh , that  that  that the rest doesn't matter. Um , the other thing is , uh , this notion of training to uh  which I  I guess they 're starting to look at up there ,  training to something more like articulatory features. Uh , and if you have something that 's just good for distinguishing different articulatory features that should just be good across , you know , a wide range of languages.


but that 's the image they have , right ? So that 's  that 's  I mean , one could argue all over the place about how things really will be in ten years. But the particular image that the cellular industry has right now is that it 's distributed speech recognition , where the , uh , uh , probabilistic part , and  and s semantics and so forth are all on the servers , and you compute features of the  uh , on the phone. So that 's  that 's what we 're involved in. We might  might or might not agree that that 's the way it will be in ten years , but that 's  that 's  that 's what they 're asking for. So  so I think that  th th it is an important issue whether it works cross - language. Now , it 's the OGI , uh , folks ' perspective right now that probably that 's not the biggest deal. And that the biggest deal is the , um envir acoustic - environment mismatch. And they may very well be right , but I  I was hoping we could just do a test and determine if that was true. If that 's true , we don't need to worry so much. Maybe  maybe we have a couple languages in the training set and that gives us enough breadth uh , uh , that  that  that the rest doesn't matter. Um , the other thing is , uh , this notion of training to uh  which I  I guess they 're starting to look at up there ,  training to something more like articulatory features. Uh , and if you have something that 's just good for distinguishing different articulatory features that should just be good across , you know , a wide range of languages.

Uh , but  Yeah , so I don't th I know  unfortunately I don't  I see what you 're comi where you 're coming from , I think , but I don't think we can ignore it.


but that 's the image they have , right ? So that 's  that 's  I mean , one could argue all over the place about how things really will be in ten years. But the particular image that the cellular industry has right now is that it 's distributed speech recognition , where the , uh , uh , probabilistic part , and  and s semantics and so forth are all on the servers , and you compute features of the  uh , on the phone. So that 's  that 's what we 're involved in. We might  might or might not agree that that 's the way it will be in ten years , but that 's  that 's  that 's what they 're asking for. So  so I think that  th th it is an important issue whether it works cross - language. Now , it 's the OGI , uh , folks ' perspective right now that probably that 's not the biggest deal. And that the biggest deal is the , um envir acoustic - environment mismatch. And they may very well be right , but I  I was hoping we could just do a test and determine if that was true. If that 's true , we don't need to worry so much. Maybe  maybe we have a couple languages in the training set and that gives us enough breadth uh , uh , that  that  that the rest doesn't matter. Um , the other thing is , uh , this notion of training to uh  which I  I guess they 're starting to look at up there ,  training to something more like articulatory features. Uh , and if you have something that 's just good for distinguishing different articulatory features that should just be good across , you know , a wide range of languages.

Uh , but  Yeah , so I don't th I know  unfortunately I don't  I see what you 're comi where you 're coming from , I think , but I don't think we can ignore it.

So we  we really have to do test with a real cross - language. I mean , tr for instance training on English and testing on Italian , or  Or we can train  or else , uh , can we train a net on , uh , a range of languages and  which can include the test  the test @ @ the target language ,


Uh , but  Yeah , so I don't th I know  unfortunately I don't  I see what you 're comi where you 're coming from , I think , but I don't think we can ignore it.

So we  we really have to do test with a real cross - language. I mean , tr for instance training on English and testing on Italian , or  Or we can train  or else , uh , can we train a net on , uh , a range of languages and  which can include the test  the test @ @ the target language ,


So we  we really have to do test with a real cross - language. I mean , tr for instance training on English and testing on Italian , or  Or we can train  or else , uh , can we train a net on , uh , a range of languages and  which can include the test  the test @ @ the target language ,

Yeah , so , um , there 's  there 's , uh  This is complex. So , ultimately , uh , as I was saying , I think it doesn't fit within their image that you switch nets based on language. Now , can you include , uh , the  the target language ?


Yeah , so , um , there 's  there 's , uh  This is complex. So , ultimately , uh , as I was saying , I think it doesn't fit within their image that you switch nets based on language. Now , can you include , uh , the  the target language ?


Yeah , so , um , there 's  there 's , uh  This is complex. So , ultimately , uh , as I was saying , I think it doesn't fit within their image that you switch nets based on language. Now , can you include , uh , the  the target language ?

Um , from a purist 's standpoint it 'd be nice not to because then you can say when  because surely someone is going to say at some point , " OK , so you put in the German and the Finnish.


Um , from a purist 's standpoint it 'd be nice not to because then you can say when  because surely someone is going to say at some point , " OK , so you put in the German and the Finnish.

Uh , now , what do you do , uh , when somebody has Portuguese ? " you know ? Um , and  Uh , however , you aren't  it isn't actually a constraint in this evaluation. So I would say if it looks like there 's a big difference to put it in , then we 'd make note of it , and then we probably put in the other , because we have so many other problems in trying to get things to work well here that  that , you know , it 's not so bad as long as we  we note it and say , " Look , we did do this ".


Uh , now , what do you do , uh , when somebody has Portuguese ? " you know ? Um , and  Uh , however , you aren't  it isn't actually a constraint in this evaluation. So I would say if it looks like there 's a big difference to put it in , then we 'd make note of it , and then we probably put in the other , because we have so many other problems in trying to get things to work well here that  that , you know , it 's not so bad as long as we  we note it and say , " Look , we did do this ".

And so , ideally , what you 'd wanna do is you 'd wanna run it with and without the target language and the training set for a wide range of languages.


And so , ideally , what you 'd wanna do is you 'd wanna run it with and without the target language and the training set for a wide range of languages.


And so , ideally , what you 'd wanna do is you 'd wanna run it with and without the target language and the training set for a wide range of languages.

And that way you can say , " Well , " you know , " we 're gonna build it for what we think are  the most common ones " ,


And that way you can say , " Well , " you know , " we 're gonna build it for what we think are  the most common ones " ,


And that way you can say , " Well , " you know , " we 're gonna build it for what we think are  the most common ones " ,

but if that  somebody uses it with a different language , you know , " here 's what 's you 're l here 's what 's likely to happen. "


but if that  somebody uses it with a different language , you know , " here 's what 's you 're l here 's what 's likely to happen. "

Yeah , cuz the truth is , is that it 's  it 's not like there are  I mean , al although there are thousands of languages , uh , from uh , uh , the point of view of cellular companies , there aren't.


but if that  somebody uses it with a different language , you know , " here 's what 's you 're l here 's what 's likely to happen. "

Yeah , cuz the truth is , is that it 's  it 's not like there are  I mean , al although there are thousands of languages , uh , from uh , uh , the point of view of cellular companies , there aren't.

There 's   you know , there 's fifty or something , you know ? So , uh , an and they aren't  you know , with the exception of Finnish , which I guess it 's pretty different from most  most things. uh , it 's  it 's , uh  most of them are like at least some of the others. And so , our guess that Spanish is like Italian , and  and so on. I guess Finnish is a  is  is a little bit like Hungarian , supposedly , right ?


Yeah , cuz the truth is , is that it 's  it 's not like there are  I mean , al although there are thousands of languages , uh , from uh , uh , the point of view of cellular companies , there aren't.

There 's   you know , there 's fifty or something , you know ? So , uh , an and they aren't  you know , with the exception of Finnish , which I guess it 's pretty different from most  most things. uh , it 's  it 's , uh  most of them are like at least some of the others. And so , our guess that Spanish is like Italian , and  and so on. I guess Finnish is a  is  is a little bit like Hungarian , supposedly , right ?


There 's   you know , there 's fifty or something , you know ? So , uh , an and they aren't  you know , with the exception of Finnish , which I guess it 's pretty different from most  most things. uh , it 's  it 's , uh  most of them are like at least some of the others. And so , our guess that Spanish is like Italian , and  and so on. I guess Finnish is a  is  is a little bit like Hungarian , supposedly , right ?

Or is  I think  well , I kn oh , well I know that H uh , H I mean , I 'm not a linguist , but I guess Hungarian and Finnish and one of the  one of the languages from the former Soviet Union are in this sort of same family.


Or is  I think  well , I kn oh , well I know that H uh , H I mean , I 'm not a linguist , but I guess Hungarian and Finnish and one of the  one of the languages from the former Soviet Union are in this sort of same family.

But they 're just these , you know , uh  countries that are pretty far apart from one another , have  I guess , people rode in on horses and brought their


But they 're just these , you know , uh  countries that are pretty far apart from one another , have  I guess , people rode in on horses and brought their


Oh , OK. Um , Let 's see , I  I spent the last week , uh , looking over Stephane 's shoulder. And   and understanding some of the data. I re - installed , um , um , HTK , the free version , so , um , everybody 's now using three point O , which is the same version that , uh , OGI is using.


Oh , OK. Um , Let 's see , I  I spent the last week , uh , looking over Stephane 's shoulder. And   and understanding some of the data. I re - installed , um , um , HTK , the free version , so , um , everybody 's now using three point O , which is the same version that , uh , OGI is using.

Yeah. So , without  without any licensing big deals , or anything like that. And , um , so we 've been talking about this  this , uh , cube thing , and it 's beginning more and more looking like the , uh , the Borge cube thing. It 's really gargantuan. Um , but I I 'm  Am I


Oh , OK. Um , Let 's see , I  I spent the last week , uh , looking over Stephane 's shoulder. And   and understanding some of the data. I re - installed , um , um , HTK , the free version , so , um , everybody 's now using three point O , which is the same version that , uh , OGI is using.

Yeah. So , without  without any licensing big deals , or anything like that. And , um , so we 've been talking about this  this , uh , cube thing , and it 's beginning more and more looking like the , uh , the Borge cube thing. It 's really gargantuan. Um , but I I 'm  Am I

So are  are you going to be assimilated ?


Yeah. So , without  without any licensing big deals , or anything like that. And , um , so we 've been talking about this  this , uh , cube thing , and it 's beginning more and more looking like the , uh , the Borge cube thing. It 's really gargantuan. Um , but I I 'm  Am I

So are  are you going to be assimilated ?


Yeah. So , without  without any licensing big deals , or anything like that. And , um , so we 've been talking about this  this , uh , cube thing , and it 's beginning more and more looking like the , uh , the Borge cube thing. It 's really gargantuan. Um , but I I 'm  Am I

So are  are you going to be assimilated ?

Exactly. Um , yeah , so I I 've been looking at , uh , uh , TIMIT stuff. Um , the  the stuff that we 've been working on with TIMIT , trying to get a , um  a labels file so we can , uh , train up a  train up a net on TIMIT and test , um , the difference between this net trained on TIMIT and a net trained on digits alone. Um , and seeing if  if it hurts or helps.


So are  are you going to be assimilated ?

Exactly. Um , yeah , so I I 've been looking at , uh , uh , TIMIT stuff. Um , the  the stuff that we 've been working on with TIMIT , trying to get a , um  a labels file so we can , uh , train up a  train up a net on TIMIT and test , um , the difference between this net trained on TIMIT and a net trained on digits alone. Um , and seeing if  if it hurts or helps.


Exactly. Um , yeah , so I I 've been looking at , uh , uh , TIMIT stuff. Um , the  the stuff that we 've been working on with TIMIT , trying to get a , um  a labels file so we can , uh , train up a  train up a net on TIMIT and test , um , the difference between this net trained on TIMIT and a net trained on digits alone. Um , and seeing if  if it hurts or helps.


Exactly. Um , yeah , so I I 've been looking at , uh , uh , TIMIT stuff. Um , the  the stuff that we 've been working on with TIMIT , trying to get a , um  a labels file so we can , uh , train up a  train up a net on TIMIT and test , um , the difference between this net trained on TIMIT and a net trained on digits alone. Um , and seeing if  if it hurts or helps.

And again , when y just to clarify , when you 're talking about training up a net , you 're talking about training up a net for a tandem approach ?


And again , when y just to clarify , when you 're talking about training up a net , you 're talking about training up a net for a tandem approach ?


And again , when y just to clarify , when you 're talking about training up a net , you 're talking about training up a net for a tandem approach ?

And  and the inputs are PLP and delta and that sort of thing ,


And again , when y just to clarify , when you 're talking about training up a net , you 're talking about training up a net for a tandem approach ?

And  and the inputs are PLP and delta and that sort of thing ,

Well , the inputs are one dimension of the cube ,


And  and the inputs are PLP and delta and that sort of thing ,

Well , the inputs are one dimension of the cube ,


And  and the inputs are PLP and delta and that sort of thing ,

Well , the inputs are one dimension of the cube ,

which , um , we 've talked about it being , uh , PLP , um , M F C Cs , um , J - JRASTA , JRASTA - LDA


Well , the inputs are one dimension of the cube ,

which , um , we 've talked about it being , uh , PLP , um , M F C Cs , um , J - JRASTA , JRASTA - LDA


which , um , we 've talked about it being , uh , PLP , um , M F C Cs , um , J - JRASTA , JRASTA - LDA

Yeah , but your initial things you 're making one choice there ,


Yeah , but your initial things you 're making one choice there ,


Um , I  I haven't  I haven't decided on  on the initial thing.


Um , I  I haven't  I haven't decided on  on the initial thing.

Probably  probably something like PLP. Yeah.


Probably  probably something like PLP. Yeah.

Yeah. Um , so  so you take PLP and you  you , uh , do it  uh , you  you , uh , use HTK with it with the transformed features using a neural net that 's trained. And the training could either be from Digits itself or from TIMIT.


Yeah. Um , so  so you take PLP and you  you , uh , do it  uh , you  you , uh , use HTK with it with the transformed features using a neural net that 's trained. And the training could either be from Digits itself or from TIMIT.

And that 's the  and , and th and then the testing would be these other things which  which  which might be foreign language.


And that 's the  and , and th and then the testing would be these other things which  which  which might be foreign language.

I see. I  I  I get in the picture about the cube.


I see. I  I  I get in the picture about the cube.


OK. Um , I mean , those listening to this will not have a picture either , so , um , I guess I 'm  I 'm not any worse off. But but at some point  somebody should just show me the cube. It sounds s I  I get  I think I get the general idea of it ,


OK. Um , I mean , those listening to this will not have a picture either , so , um , I guess I 'm  I 'm not any worse off. But but at some point  somebody should just show me the cube. It sounds s I  I get  I think I get the general idea of it ,

So , when you said that you were getting the labels for TIMIT ,  um , are y what do you mean by that ?


So , when you said that you were getting the labels for TIMIT ,  um , are y what do you mean by that ?

b May Mm - hmm. Oh , I 'm just  I 'm just , uh , transforming them from the , um , the standard TIMIT transcriptions into  into a nice long huge P - file to do training.


So , when you said that you were getting the labels for TIMIT ,  um , are y what do you mean by that ?

b May Mm - hmm. Oh , I 'm just  I 'm just , uh , transforming them from the , um , the standard TIMIT transcriptions into  into a nice long huge P - file to do training.

Mmm. Were the digits , um , hand - labeled for phones ?