So we we'll put some extras , if there is something.

Okay so in  for the case um  I put single curved.


Okay so in  for the case um  I put single curved.


no , it's it's double curved , it's got a c , it's uh


it's got  but if you hold it if you hold it that way that's two curved , one on this side , one on that side , but they're opposite sides.


this probably actually costs more than three


this probably actually costs more than three

Yeah so let's put one here in the  then instead of single


Yeah so let's put one here in the  then instead of single


So we stick to plastic , it cost nothing.


So we stick to plastic , it cost nothing.

Well   no didn't we say we wanted to do a rubber


Well   no didn't we say we wanted to do a rubber


It's too expensive. We're already at eleven.


It's too expensive. We're already at eleven.

Well when  okay. Well we we'll come back we'll come back and see if we can fit it in.


It's too expensive. We're already at eleven.

Well when  okay. Well we we'll come back we'll come back and see if we can fit it in.

Okay so I put rubber one. Okay so special colour , yellow.


Well when  okay. Well we we'll come back we'll come back and see if we can fit it in.

Okay so I put rubber one. Okay so special colour , yellow.


Okay so I put rubber one. Okay so special colour , yellow.


No that is a scroll wheel itself , it'll be put in that.


No that is a scroll wheel itself , it'll be put in that.

No no. We have two scroll , and we have three push buttons.


No no. We have two scroll , and we have three push buttons.


Actually whe whe when you wrote regular chip you should put two , because there is another chip here.


Actually whe whe when you wrote regular chip you should put two , because there is another chip here.

No it's  no chip. This is just radio frequency . Th This is no chip.


No it's  no chip. This is just radio frequency . Th This is no chip.


And the receiver accepts it and that's it.


Okay w we didn't think a thought about uh integrated scroll wheel push buttons.


Okay w we didn't think a thought about uh integrated scroll wheel push buttons.

Well I actually did um think about it myself  but I thought you know  because you could potentially you know you could be pushing it down as you scroll it for a  instead of a turbo button


Okay w we didn't think a thought about uh integrated scroll wheel push buttons.

Well I actually did um think about it myself  but I thought you know  because you could potentially you know you could be pushing it down as you scroll it for a  instead of a turbo button

but you know the turbo button does add that extra class.


Well I actually did um think about it myself  but I thought you know  because you could potentially you know you could be pushing it down as you scroll it for a  instead of a turbo button

but you know the turbo button does add that extra class.


but you know the turbo button does add that extra class.

You know. So I mean if we're if we're over budget then maybe we could we could rethink that.


but you know the turbo button does add that extra class.

You know. So I mean if we're if we're over budget then maybe we could we could rethink that.

Okay. So no L_C_D_ , so for  we have no button supplements , right ?


You know. So I mean if we're if we're over budget then maybe we could we could rethink that.

Okay. So no L_C_D_ , so for  we have no button supplements , right ?


You know. So I mean if we're if we're over budget then maybe we could we could rethink that.

Okay. So no L_C_D_ , so for  we have no button supplements , right ?

Uh  well in fact could we could not we consider this button as a button supplement because  oh no , these are these are for colours , co and special forms , special colours and special materials.


Okay. So no L_C_D_ , so for  we have no button supplements , right ?

Uh  well in fact could we could not we consider this button as a button supplement because  oh no , these are these are for colours , co and special forms , special colours and special materials.


Uh  well in fact could we could not we consider this button as a button supplement because  oh no , these are these are for colours , co and special forms , special colours and special materials.


Uh  well in fact could we could not we consider this button as a button supplement because  oh no , these are these are for colours , co and special forms , special colours and special materials.

we don't need anything special for the buttons.


we don't need anything special for the buttons.


we don't need anything special for the buttons.

Yeah. So first thing which we should take care of is ,


Yeah. So first thing which we should take care of is ,


And then we're basically o on budget except for you know ten cents.


And then we're basically o on budget except for you know ten cents.

And uh that much money will be required for the base station , which is not there.


And uh that much money will be required for the base station , which is not there.

So mayb in fact n we have to put two here


So mayb in fact n we have to put two here


So mayb in fact n we have to put two here

Yeah well pl the base station is made out of m many units of  plastic.


Yeah well pl the base station is made out of m many units of  plastic.


Yeah well pl the base station is made out of m many units of  plastic.

So might be ninety centimes for the the remaining things which  the cord and everything which'll go


So might be ninety centimes for the the remaining things which  the cord and everything which'll go

Exactly exactly so we have margin for that stuff.


So might be ninety centimes for the the remaining things which  the cord and everything which'll go

Exactly exactly so we have margin for that stuff.

Does that include charging circuitry and everything ?


Exactly exactly so we have margin for that stuff.

Does that include charging circuitry and everything ?


Does that include charging circuitry and everything ?


So what do we do with the extra profits ?


Yeah. So well we're under the the the cost. So we can go to  through to project evaluation.


Yeah. So well we're under the the the cost. So we can go to  through to project evaluation.

Okay so now we have a product which nobody would would buy. Would  yeah , would buy.


Yeah. So well we're under the the the cost. So we can go to  through to project evaluation.

Okay so now we have a product which nobody would would buy. Would  yeah , would buy.

No we have a product which none of us would buy.


Okay so now we have a product which nobody would would buy. Would  yeah , would buy.

No we have a product which none of us would buy.

Yeah because th th the evaluation project


No we have a product which none of us would buy.

Yeah because th th the evaluation project

Which is different. Which is different. None of us will buy it.


No we have a product which none of us would buy.

Yeah because th th the evaluation project

Which is different. Which is different. None of us will buy it.

No it's people in in in Milan and uh in Paris that are gonna buy it.


Yeah because th th the evaluation project

Which is different. Which is different. None of us will buy it.

No it's people in in in Milan and uh in Paris that are gonna buy it.


Which is different. Which is different. None of us will buy it.

No it's people in in in Milan and uh in Paris that are gonna buy it.


No it's people in in in Milan and uh in Paris that are gonna buy it.


Yeah. Okay. Uh you have been in Milan a couple of times , so.


Exac  Well in fact I I did not know  I didn't know really what to say here.


Exac  Well in fact I I did not know  I didn't know really what to say here.

If uh if you have any ideas of what we can we can say. So I don't I don't I don't understand what what they mean by satisfaction um and for and for example.


Exac  Well in fact I I did not know  I didn't know really what to say here.

If uh if you have any ideas of what we can we can say. So I don't I don't I don't understand what what they mean by satisfaction um and for and for example.

Should it be more like um like a status of of the  these meetings in fact.


If uh if you have any ideas of what we can we can say. So I don't I don't I don't understand what what they mean by satisfaction um and for and for example.

Should it be more like um like a status of of the  these meetings in fact.

Yeah well in fact uh we we use a little bit the white board and the digital pen , not that much.


Should it be more like um like a status of of the  these meetings in fact.

Yeah well in fact uh we we use a little bit the white board and the digital pen , not that much.

I dunno I think we had a fair bit of creativity.


Yeah well in fact uh we we use a little bit the white board and the digital pen , not that much.

I dunno I think we had a fair bit of creativity.


Yeah well in fact uh we we use a little bit the white board and the digital pen , not that much.

I dunno I think we had a fair bit of creativity.

And uh but I think one thing we m missed out of this whole process was a um  like a focus group with the actual people we're targeting.


I dunno I think we had a fair bit of creativity.

And uh but I think one thing we m missed out of this whole process was a um  like a focus group with the actual people we're targeting.

We needed some of these kind of young trendsetters to come in and play with the banana and you know see if they


And uh but I think one thing we m missed out of this whole process was a um  like a focus group with the actual people we're targeting.

We needed some of these kind of young trendsetters to come in and play with the banana and you know see if they


We needed some of these kind of young trendsetters to come in and play with the banana and you know see if they


Yeah maybe we should go through , yeah an uh evaluation.


Yeah maybe we should go through , yeah an uh evaluation.

Because yeah the evaluation for us is is kind of pointless.


Because yeah the evaluation for us is is kind of pointless.

So maybe you should we should do a kinda evaluation  in the streets like asking to young peoples well , do you like to have a banana as a remote control.


Because yeah the evaluation for us is is kind of pointless.

So maybe you should we should do a kinda evaluation  in the streets like asking to young peoples well , do you like to have a banana as a remote control.

Yeah. Because it it would also be interesting to uh you to know find out if we have a market in really young children as well , to see you know how to how to market this thing.


So maybe you should we should do a kinda evaluation  in the streets like asking to young peoples well , do you like to have a banana as a remote control.

Yeah. Because it it would also be interesting to uh you to know find out if we have a market in really young children as well , to see you know how to how to market this thing.


Yeah. Because it it would also be interesting to uh you to know find out if we have a market in really young children as well , to see you know how to how to market this thing.


'Cause you know if  well I mean maybe you don't wanna give all your kids their own remote because they'll be changing the channel all the time but you know maybe in some households where there is you know a T_V_ for each kid , then you know , banana remote control could be fun for them as well.


'Cause you know if  well I mean maybe you don't wanna give all your kids their own remote because they'll be changing the channel all the time but you know maybe in some households where there is you know a T_V_ for each kid , then you know , banana remote control could be fun for them as well.

Might have to draw a face on it. So but I think that's something we need to to work on next time is really finding out more about the target market.


'Cause you know if  well I mean maybe you don't wanna give all your kids their own remote because they'll be changing the channel all the time but you know maybe in some households where there is you know a T_V_ for each kid , then you know , banana remote control could be fun for them as well.

Might have to draw a face on it. So but I think that's something we need to to work on next time is really finding out more about the target market.

Yep. Any any new ideas we could uh we could investigate next time ? Dunno , oranges ?


Might have to draw a face on it. So but I think that's something we need to to work on next time is really finding out more about the target market.

Yep. Any any new ideas we could uh we could investigate next time ? Dunno , oranges ?

Yeah. The cost of the thing can be made more than might be. Because I think it's just the optimal , what we have done for the cost which we are looking forward to.


Might have to draw a face on it. So but I think that's something we need to to work on next time is really finding out more about the target market.

Yep. Any any new ideas we could uh we could investigate next time ? Dunno , oranges ?

Yeah. The cost of the thing can be made more than might be. Because I think it's just the optimal , what we have done for the cost which we are looking forward to.

Yeah. I think there are ways we could maybe simplify the


Yep. Any any new ideas we could uh we could investigate next time ? Dunno , oranges ?

Yeah. The cost of the thing can be made more than might be. Because I think it's just the optimal , what we have done for the cost which we are looking forward to.

Yeah. I think there are ways we could maybe simplify the


Yeah. The cost of the thing can be made more than might be. Because I think it's just the optimal , what we have done for the cost which we are looking forward to.

Yeah. I think there are ways we could maybe simplify the

Well just the the the circuit board that we're using inside ,


Yeah. I think there are ways we could maybe simplify the

Well just the the the circuit board that we're using inside ,


Well just the the the circuit board that we're using inside ,

I'm not sure really how complicated our um


I'm not sure really how complicated our um

our needs are. I mean all we have is two push buttons and two scrollers , do we really need an integrated circuit to


our needs are. I mean all we have is two push buttons and two scrollers , do we really need an integrated circuit to


So more general remote control instead of just focusing on uh on T_V_.


So more general remote control instead of just focusing on uh on T_V_.

The complexity shouldn't be much higher.


The complexity shouldn't be much higher.

For  you said if it good for D_V_D_ then I would


The complexity shouldn't be much higher.

For  you said if it good for D_V_D_ then I would

And also fo you know for mood lighting and and stuff , that would be rather cool. I think that's actually something that should be in version two , is the ability to you know to control things other than the T_V_


For  you said if it good for D_V_D_ then I would

And also fo you know for mood lighting and and stuff , that would be rather cool. I think that's actually something that should be in version two , is the ability to you know to control things other than the T_V_


For  you said if it good for D_V_D_ then I would

And also fo you know for mood lighting and and stuff , that would be rather cool. I think that's actually something that should be in version two , is the ability to you know to control things other than the T_V_

and not just electronic equipment but you know the whole environment of the room.


And also fo you know for mood lighting and and stuff , that would be rather cool. I think that's actually something that should be in version two , is the ability to you know to control things other than the T_V_

and not just electronic equipment but you know the whole environment of the room.


and not just electronic equipment but you know the whole environment of the room.


Yeah. Maybe maybe we can hassle the the production department to to make a a real prototype that we can use at home to to evaluate.


Okay. Hi everybody and welcome to our kick-off meeting um for our new product that we're gonna be designing. Um I'm Mandy and I'm the Project Manager. And I know all your names again , Courtney , Fenella and Amber.


so first let's go through this PowerPoint. I wonder what button I press ?


so first let's go through this PowerPoint. I wonder what button I press ?

Yeah , or how about I just click ? Okay , here is our agenda for this meeting. Um we're gonna start with our opening which was our introductions.  We're gonna get to know each other a little bit better. Um tool training , we're going to , I guess , figure out what to do on this project with our individual roles. Um we're gonna make a project plan and then have some time for discussion and close up the meeting. Okay , here is our project. We're gonna make a new remote control that's um original , trendy and also user-friendly. And how we are going to do it is each of us is going to um  We're gonna have  discuss the functional design first ,  how is it gonna be used , what's the actual goal here , it has to operate T_V_ , blah blah blah. And we're going to do individual work on that and then meet. Same thing with conceptual design. Just the basic overview of the project and then we're going to do individual work , meet. That's pretty much the the whole process for today. And then the detailed design , just more in-depth , get the actual schematics of the remote. Okay. Alright. First we're gonna start off by using our tools. And the whiteboard thing , do you guys wanna give that a try even though the ink wasn't working or do you wanna do it on here.


so first let's go through this PowerPoint. I wonder what button I press ?

Yeah , or how about I just click ? Okay , here is our agenda for this meeting. Um we're gonna start with our opening which was our introductions.  We're gonna get to know each other a little bit better. Um tool training , we're going to , I guess , figure out what to do on this project with our individual roles. Um we're gonna make a project plan and then have some time for discussion and close up the meeting. Okay , here is our project. We're gonna make a new remote control that's um original , trendy and also user-friendly. And how we are going to do it is each of us is going to um  We're gonna have  discuss the functional design first ,  how is it gonna be used , what's the actual goal here , it has to operate T_V_ , blah blah blah. And we're going to do individual work on that and then meet. Same thing with conceptual design. Just the basic overview of the project and then we're going to do individual work , meet. That's pretty much the the whole process for today. And then the detailed design , just more in-depth , get the actual schematics of the remote. Okay. Alright. First we're gonna start off by using our tools. And the whiteboard thing , do you guys wanna give that a try even though the ink wasn't working or do you wanna do it on here.

I think we should forgo the whiteboard since we can't actually see what we're writing.


Yeah , or how about I just click ? Okay , here is our agenda for this meeting. Um we're gonna start with our opening which was our introductions.  We're gonna get to know each other a little bit better. Um tool training , we're going to , I guess , figure out what to do on this project with our individual roles. Um we're gonna make a project plan and then have some time for discussion and close up the meeting. Okay , here is our project. We're gonna make a new remote control that's um original , trendy and also user-friendly. And how we are going to do it is each of us is going to um  We're gonna have  discuss the functional design first ,  how is it gonna be used , what's the actual goal here , it has to operate T_V_ , blah blah blah. And we're going to do individual work on that and then meet. Same thing with conceptual design. Just the basic overview of the project and then we're going to do individual work , meet. That's pretty much the the whole process for today. And then the detailed design , just more in-depth , get the actual schematics of the remote. Okay. Alright. First we're gonna start off by using our tools. And the whiteboard thing , do you guys wanna give that a try even though the ink wasn't working or do you wanna do it on here.

I think we should forgo the whiteboard since we can't actually see what we're writing.


I think we should forgo the whiteboard since we can't actually see what we're writing.

Um right now so we're all gonna draw our favourite animal and then sum up our favourite characteristics of that animal. Even if you are not a good drawer like me.


Um right now so we're all gonna draw our favourite animal and then sum up our favourite characteristics of that animal. Even if you are not a good drawer like me.


Okay. And who would like to start us off ?


Okay. And who would like to start us off ?

Um this is my picture. I drew fish   I like fish , because uh , you know , their whole water-vascular system thing.


Um this is my picture. I drew fish   I like fish , because uh , you know , their whole water-vascular system thing.

It's pretty cool , and um they've got a pretty good habitat and they are pretty sometimes , sometimes vicious but that's okay.


It's pretty cool , and um they've got a pretty good habitat and they are pretty sometimes , sometimes vicious but that's okay.


I drew a kitty. It's pretty much impossible to tell that's a cat , but I love cats.


I love cats because they're independent , uh they pretty much know what they want , they get it , they move on.


I had a roommate who was um allergic , but if she was around my cat forever she became used to it , you know ,


I had a roommate who was um allergic , but if she was around my cat forever she became used to it , you know ,

Yeah , yeah , if you're around them for a long period of time


I had a roommate who was um allergic , but if she was around my cat forever she became used to it , you know ,

Yeah , yeah , if you're around them for a long period of time

I still can't sleep with them in my room.


Yeah , yeah , if you're around them for a long period of time

I still can't sleep with them in my room.

Oh , yeah , this summer I , oh I had to live with cats. It was crazy.


I still can't sleep with them in my room.

Oh , yeah , this summer I , oh I had to live with cats. It was crazy.


Oh , yeah , this summer I , oh I had to live with cats. It was crazy.


Uh I dunno , they're grumpy and nocturnal and


Uh I dunno , they're grumpy and nocturnal and

Well , a little bit like the  Yes. Um.  And then , if you know Wind in the Willows  badger.


Well , a little bit like the  Yes. Um.  And then , if you know Wind in the Willows  badger.

Yeah and then uh I don't know if you know Brian . He's Liverpudlian writer.


Yeah and then uh I don't know if you know Brian . He's Liverpudlian writer.

Um  , that kind of books. Badgers are cool in that one too.


Yeah and then uh I don't know if you know Brian . He's Liverpudlian writer.

Um  , that kind of books. Badgers are cool in that one too.

Okay. And I'm last. 'Kay. Look at my sad sad giraffe.


Um  , that kind of books. Badgers are cool in that one too.

Okay. And I'm last. 'Kay. Look at my sad sad giraffe.


Um  , that kind of books. Badgers are cool in that one too.

Okay. And I'm last. 'Kay. Look at my sad sad giraffe.

No , no , no , it ends up looking like some kind of a dinosaur , but whatever. I don't know even much about giraffes , but I just love the way they look. They're just such odd creatures , you know. I I like that they're so unique and individual , I guess. I don't know much about their behaviour or anything , though. Only seen a couple in zoos.


Okay. And I'm last. 'Kay. Look at my sad sad giraffe.

No , no , no , it ends up looking like some kind of a dinosaur , but whatever. I don't know even much about giraffes , but I just love the way they look. They're just such odd creatures , you know. I I like that they're so unique and individual , I guess. I don't know much about their behaviour or anything , though. Only seen a couple in zoos.

You don't really have to , I mean , if you like 'em


No , no , no , it ends up looking like some kind of a dinosaur , but whatever. I don't know even much about giraffes , but I just love the way they look. They're just such odd creatures , you know. I I like that they're so unique and individual , I guess. I don't know much about their behaviour or anything , though. Only seen a couple in zoos.

You don't really have to , I mean , if you like 'em

Yeah , but you can appreciate the way they look. Okay. Alright. Guess we're getting straight back into business here.


No , no , no , it ends up looking like some kind of a dinosaur , but whatever. I don't know even much about giraffes , but I just love the way they look. They're just such odd creatures , you know. I I like that they're so unique and individual , I guess. I don't know much about their behaviour or anything , though. Only seen a couple in zoos.

You don't really have to , I mean , if you like 'em

Yeah , but you can appreciate the way they look. Okay. Alright. Guess we're getting straight back into business here.

Um the selling price for our remote is going to be twenty-five Euro , and our profit aim is fifty million Euro. We're going to make this an international product marketed in the States , in Europe , in Asia. And um our production cost to make that profit is gonna be a max of twelve fifty Euro per remote. Okay. So we're gonna talk for a little while. Um here are some topics that we might be able to discuss. Expe our experiences with remote controls um , our first ideas about this new remote , anything that you can bring to the table for this project. So.


You don't really have to , I mean , if you like 'em

Yeah , but you can appreciate the way they look. Okay. Alright. Guess we're getting straight back into business here.

Um the selling price for our remote is going to be twenty-five Euro , and our profit aim is fifty million Euro. We're going to make this an international product marketed in the States , in Europe , in Asia. And um our production cost to make that profit is gonna be a max of twelve fifty Euro per remote. Okay. So we're gonna talk for a little while. Um here are some topics that we might be able to discuss. Expe our experiences with remote controls um , our first ideas about this new remote , anything that you can bring to the table for this project. So.


Yeah , but you can appreciate the way they look. Okay. Alright. Guess we're getting straight back into business here.

Um the selling price for our remote is going to be twenty-five Euro , and our profit aim is fifty million Euro. We're going to make this an international product marketed in the States , in Europe , in Asia. And um our production cost to make that profit is gonna be a max of twelve fifty Euro per remote. Okay. So we're gonna talk for a little while. Um here are some topics that we might be able to discuss. Expe our experiences with remote controls um , our first ideas about this new remote , anything that you can bring to the table for this project. So.

Yeah. You wanna start us off ? Anybody have anything to offer ?


Um the selling price for our remote is going to be twenty-five Euro , and our profit aim is fifty million Euro. We're going to make this an international product marketed in the States , in Europe , in Asia. And um our production cost to make that profit is gonna be a max of twelve fifty Euro per remote. Okay. So we're gonna talk for a little while. Um here are some topics that we might be able to discuss. Expe our experiences with remote controls um , our first ideas about this new remote , anything that you can bring to the table for this project. So.

Yeah. You wanna start us off ? Anybody have anything to offer ?

Well , we wanna make a multifunctional remote , right ?


Yeah. You wanna start us off ? Anybody have anything to offer ?

Well , we wanna make a multifunctional remote , right ?


Well , we wanna make a multifunctional remote , right ?

And everything being  Wait , we have what , sound system , T_V_ , D_V_D_ , V_H_S_ , uh TiVo ?


And everything being  Wait , we have what , sound system , T_V_ , D_V_D_ , V_H_S_ , uh TiVo ?


And everything being  Wait , we have what , sound system , T_V_ , D_V_D_ , V_H_S_ , uh TiVo ?

Um. I think they'll be phasing V_H_S_ out shortly.


Um. I think they'll be phasing V_H_S_ out shortly.


It needs to be compatible 'cause universal remote controls are never universal.


It needs to be compatible 'cause universal remote controls are never universal.

They're never universal. That's right. Esp e especially if you buy a a not big product , D_V_D_ player , say , usually it doesn't work if it's not one of the


It needs to be compatible 'cause universal remote controls are never universal.

They're never universal. That's right. Esp e especially if you buy a a not big product , D_V_D_ player , say , usually it doesn't work if it's not one of the

Or if it's not like a Sony , if it's like a  I don't know.


They're never universal. That's right. Esp e especially if you buy a a not big product , D_V_D_ player , say , usually it doesn't work if it's not one of the

Or if it's not like a Sony , if it's like a  I don't know.

So we'll have to figure it how to cover all the different variances in signals.


Or if it's not like a Sony , if it's like a  I don't know.

So we'll have to figure it how to cover all the different variances in signals.


So we'll have to figure it how to cover all the different variances in signals.

And what we need an insanely good instruction booklet , because you always have to reconfigure all your contraptions to go with the remote anyways.


So we'll have to figure it how to cover all the different variances in signals.

And what we need an insanely good instruction booklet , because you always have to reconfigure all your contraptions to go with the remote anyways.

Yeah. 'Kay , and um another thing that I think is important is the d the design of the product , how it feels in your hand. If it's just flat and kind of boring th those don't  Nobody wants to buy those any more. They want the ergonomic ones.


And what we need an insanely good instruction booklet , because you always have to reconfigure all your contraptions to go with the remote anyways.

Yeah. 'Kay , and um another thing that I think is important is the d the design of the product , how it feels in your hand. If it's just flat and kind of boring th those don't  Nobody wants to buy those any more. They want the ergonomic ones.


Yeah. 'Kay , and um another thing that I think is important is the d the design of the product , how it feels in your hand. If it's just flat and kind of boring th those don't  Nobody wants to buy those any more. They want the ergonomic ones.


Ones that ones that look high-tech , too.


So that people like my mother can use it.


So that people like my mother can use it.

What about something with the curvature like that matches the curvature of a hand ?


So that people like my mother can use it.

What about something with the curvature like that matches the curvature of a hand ?

'Kay. Anybody have any experiences with remote controls that they can remember that


What about something with the curvature like that matches the curvature of a hand ?

'Kay. Anybody have any experiences with remote controls that they can remember that


'Kay. Anybody have any experiences with remote controls that they can remember that


What kinda battery would we want to use ? Because battery changing is usually


Yeah , I guess then it's  If we need to do triple A_ we can , but most people usually have double A_s around.


Yeah , I guess then it's  If we need to do triple A_ we can , but most people usually have double A_s around.

Okay. Yeah. But that has to do with the size of it too. Well , w as long as we know that issue is


Okay. Yeah. But that has to do with the size of it too. Well , w as long as we know that issue is


Yeah , if we want it to be more thin , then we'd probably wanna go with a triple A_.


Yeah , if we want it to be more thin , then we'd probably wanna go with a triple A_.

it's okay , we don't have to decide about it now , just as long as we remember battery type and size is important.


it's okay , we don't have to decide about it now , just as long as we remember battery type and size is important.

Hey. Anything else ? Alright. Moving along. Oh , we're closing the meeting. Next meeting is gonna start in thirty minutes. Here's what we're going to do. Um the I_D_ , which is who ? Okay , you're going to think about the working design. What do you think that means ?


it's okay , we don't have to decide about it now , just as long as we remember battery type and size is important.

Hey. Anything else ? Alright. Moving along. Oh , we're closing the meeting. Next meeting is gonna start in thirty minutes. Here's what we're going to do. Um the I_D_ , which is who ? Okay , you're going to think about the working design. What do you think that means ?

Okay. And U_I_D_ , the technical fun functions design ,


Hey. Anything else ? Alright. Moving along. Oh , we're closing the meeting. Next meeting is gonna start in thirty minutes. Here's what we're going to do. Um the I_D_ , which is who ? Okay , you're going to think about the working design. What do you think that means ?

Okay. And U_I_D_ , the technical fun functions design ,

making sure it does everything that we need the remote to do , the functionality of it , operating all those different things. Okay. And the marketing person , that's Courtney , is going to do the user requirements specification. I guess that means specifying um what exactly the user is going to be looking for. Right ? I would think so. Okay.


Okay. And U_I_D_ , the technical fun functions design ,

making sure it does everything that we need the remote to do , the functionality of it , operating all those different things. Okay. And the marketing person , that's Courtney , is going to do the user requirements specification. I guess that means specifying um what exactly the user is going to be looking for. Right ? I would think so. Okay.


making sure it does everything that we need the remote to do , the functionality of it , operating all those different things. Okay. And the marketing person , that's Courtney , is going to do the user requirements specification. I guess that means specifying um what exactly the user is going to be looking for. Right ? I would think so. Okay.

And you're gonna get more specific instructions emailed to you in just a little while. Okay , so does anybody have anything they wanna say before we close the meeting ? Okay. This meeting is officially over.


Wouldn't wanna be Project Manager.  Uh , what we going to do.

Um , once again I'm uh gonna take minutes. So , um no presentation for me. Uh , first we have a prototype presentation by G_ and G_.


Um , once again I'm uh gonna take minutes. So , um no presentation for me. Uh , first we have a prototype presentation by G_ and G_.


Uh evaluation crit criteria. Uh , in combination with the finance I um  uh I received uh a an uh an Excel uh file


Uh evaluation crit criteria. Uh , in combination with the finance I um  uh I received uh a an uh an Excel uh file

which we have to fill in later on. Um , you see. Uh , and then we must see uh if we uh stay under the twelve and a half Euro.


which we have to fill in later on. Um , you see. Uh , and then we must see uh if we uh stay under the twelve and a half Euro.


we must have uh some time for that uh because it will be uh  yeah , quite a lot of mathematics.


we must have uh some time for that uh because it will be uh  yeah , quite a lot of mathematics.

And after that , uh uh an evaluation of uh the process how we uh how we have done it here with the SMARTboard , with the with our laptops , with the  all uh all this. And uh afterwards , uh we closing. Once again , forty minutes , so uh let's start.


And after that , uh uh an evaluation of uh the process how we uh how we have done it here with the SMARTboard , with the with our laptops , with the  all uh all this. And uh afterwards , uh we closing. Once again , forty minutes , so uh let's start.

I would g give the word to um G_ and G_ for the prototype presentation.


And after that , uh uh an evaluation of uh the process how we uh how we have done it here with the SMARTboard , with the with our laptops , with the  all uh all this. And uh afterwards , uh we closing. Once again , forty minutes , so uh let's start.

I would g give the word to um G_ and G_ for the prototype presentation.

Shall I give a short introduction and then uh


I would g give the word to um G_ and G_ for the prototype presentation.

Shall I give a short introduction and then uh


Shall I give a short introduction and then uh


Um , this was our first concept. We decided to use a single touch-screen. So , we've worked out this concepts , how to how to hold it , where to put the buttons and and stuff. And um , well , we began with uh with a form of shape , that is uh is easy to hold w in one hand , left or right handed.


Um , this was our first concept. We decided to use a single touch-screen. So , we've worked out this concepts , how to how to hold it , where to put the buttons and and stuff. And um , well , we began with uh with a form of shape , that is uh is easy to hold w in one hand , left or right handed.

So , we made i it a little bit less thick and uh it has some ar artistic meaning. No ? This uh isn't nothing.


Um , this was our first concept. We decided to use a single touch-screen. So , we've worked out this concepts , how to how to hold it , where to put the buttons and and stuff. And um , well , we began with uh with a form of shape , that is uh is easy to hold w in one hand , left or right handed.

So , we made i it a little bit less thick and uh it has some ar artistic meaning. No ? This uh isn't nothing.

Um well , during the meeting I showed you the concept of uh placing the buttons on top , usable with your thumb , and uh the menu structure , uh if necessary , with your other hand , so it's just gonna hold it easily.


So , we made i it a little bit less thick and uh it has some ar artistic meaning. No ? This uh isn't nothing.

Um well , during the meeting I showed you the concept of uh placing the buttons on top , usable with your thumb , and uh the menu structure , uh if necessary , with your other hand , so it's just gonna hold it easily.

And it has to be acce accessible with your uh other hand too , of course.


Um well , during the meeting I showed you the concept of uh placing the buttons on top , usable with your thumb , and uh the menu structure , uh if necessary , with your other hand , so it's just gonna hold it easily.

And it has to be acce accessible with your uh other hand too , of course.


Um well , during the meeting I showed you the concept of uh placing the buttons on top , usable with your thumb , and uh the menu structure , uh if necessary , with your other hand , so it's just gonna hold it easily.

And it has to be acce accessible with your uh other hand too , of course.

Yeah , uh well , and as you saw , we would just have the basic remote with the panel L_C_D_ uh screen. Well , these would be the main buttons , h you could uh change them later on in your own profile if you want to. But , well it's standard they will be delivered with this kind of uh set-up. We have the  more advanced menu uh setting right here. We have the sub-menus and stu stuff. We made a top  oh , or a front view. Just so like you wanna uh back view. As you can see , this uh  there , there are uh two uh weird bumps in it.


And it has to be acce accessible with your uh other hand too , of course.

Yeah , uh well , and as you saw , we would just have the basic remote with the panel L_C_D_ uh screen. Well , these would be the main buttons , h you could uh change them later on in your own profile if you want to. But , well it's standard they will be delivered with this kind of uh set-up. We have the  more advanced menu uh setting right here. We have the sub-menus and stu stuff. We made a top  oh , or a front view. Just so like you wanna uh back view. As you can see , this uh  there , there are uh two uh weird bumps in it.

This is for uh the added uh effect of uh well uh y youth and dynamic. And uh this is for the artistic effect.


Yeah , uh well , and as you saw , we would just have the basic remote with the panel L_C_D_ uh screen. Well , these would be the main buttons , h you could uh change them later on in your own profile if you want to. But , well it's standard they will be delivered with this kind of uh set-up. We have the  more advanced menu uh setting right here. We have the sub-menus and stu stuff. We made a top  oh , or a front view. Just so like you wanna uh back view. As you can see , this uh  there , there are uh two uh weird bumps in it.

This is for uh the added uh effect of uh well uh y youth and dynamic. And uh this is for the artistic effect.

Well , what we figured is uh we'll show you a picture  later on  you have more b a better idea after that. But , idea is for to stay in balance with these two uh  with these two.


This is for uh the added uh effect of uh well uh y youth and dynamic. And uh this is for the artistic effect.

Well , what we figured is uh we'll show you a picture  later on  you have more b a better idea after that. But , idea is for to stay in balance with these two uh  with these two.

And so when you put it on the table , it will just  lay down. It won't  uh roll around or stuff. But it will lie more in your hand like an old telephone maybe , or like these old uh phones.


Well , what we figured is uh we'll show you a picture  later on  you have more b a better idea after that. But , idea is for to stay in balance with these two uh  with these two.

And so when you put it on the table , it will just  lay down. It won't  uh roll around or stuff. But it will lie more in your hand like an old telephone maybe , or like these old uh phones.


And so when you put it on the table , it will just  lay down. It won't  uh roll around or stuff. But it will lie more in your hand like an old telephone maybe , or like these old uh phones.

Y you you may get the idea. So thi this is about uh how we figured it should be. The s panel we g you would hide with some more uh rubber layers , like we discussed early on. Uh , you would s you wouldn't see the uh straight panel , but more fluidly and round.


And so when you put it on the table , it will just  lay down. It won't  uh roll around or stuff. But it will lie more in your hand like an old telephone maybe , or like these old uh phones.

Y you you may get the idea. So thi this is about uh how we figured it should be. The s panel we g you would hide with some more uh rubber layers , like we discussed early on. Uh , you would s you wouldn't see the uh straight panel , but more fluidly and round.

Yeah , the panel just uh of course goes like this.


Y you you may get the idea. So thi this is about uh how we figured it should be. The s panel we g you would hide with some more uh rubber layers , like we discussed early on. Uh , you would s you wouldn't see the uh straight panel , but more fluidly and round.

Yeah , the panel just uh of course goes like this.


Y you you may get the idea. So thi this is about uh how we figured it should be. The s panel we g you would hide with some more uh rubber layers , like we discussed early on. Uh , you would s you wouldn't see the uh straight panel , but more fluidly and round.

Yeah , the panel just uh of course goes like this.

But the overlaying layer is uh a little bit uh curved and stuff.


Yeah , the panel just uh of course goes like this.

But the overlaying layer is uh a little bit uh curved and stuff.


But the overlaying layer is uh a little bit uh curved and stuff.


But the overlaying layer is uh a little bit uh curved and stuff.

And uh , in these bumps you could actually uh  put some electronics uh that would  you can make a more thinner uh design ,


And uh , in these bumps you could actually uh  put some electronics uh that would  you can make a more thinner uh design ,


And uh , in these bumps you could actually uh  put some electronics uh that would  you can make a more thinner uh design ,

and that would actually look very nice , yeah.


and that would actually look very nice , yeah.


and that would actually look very nice , yeah.

Yeah. Oh , we added that this um can be held with your hands for this  maximum is om yeah , one and a half centimetres. So , you have room here for your battery and maybe even other um electronic chips. S and you can just be the the layer of the touchscreen and some  have some wires underneath it to make it as uh thin as possible in the middle for good grip.


Yeah. Oh , we added that this um can be held with your hands for this  maximum is om yeah , one and a half centimetres. So , you have room here for your battery and maybe even other um electronic chips. S and you can just be the the layer of the touchscreen and some  have some wires underneath it to make it as uh thin as possible in the middle for good grip.


Yeah. Oh , we added that this um can be held with your hands for this  maximum is om yeah , one and a half centimetres. So , you have room here for your battery and maybe even other um electronic chips. S and you can just be the the layer of the touchscreen and some  have some wires underneath it to make it as uh thin as possible in the middle for good grip.

Yeah , f uh , as colours , do you do you have the picture in uh


Yeah , f uh , as colours , do you do you have the picture in uh

Oh yeah. Now , well this is the idea about uh the bumps. Uh , you can see there's a v a very uh youthful uh dynamic uh exterior. It uh  you just want to hold it you uh you are young and uh dynamic like us.


Oh yeah. Now , well this is the idea about uh the bumps. Uh , you can see there's a v a very uh youthful uh dynamic uh exterior. It uh  you just want to hold it you uh you are young and uh dynamic like us.


Oh yeah. Now , well this is the idea about uh the bumps. Uh , you can see there's a v a very uh youthful uh dynamic uh exterior. It uh  you just want to hold it you uh you are young and uh dynamic like us.

Yeah , it's like an e but this is for children. We we want a more adult version. But , this is like a remote control for children.


Yeah , it's like an e but this is for children. We we want a more adult version. But , this is like a remote control for children.


Yeah. Hey , that's actually a brilliant uh marketing stand.


So this actually basic the idea. We we just want to build a more uh adult vers adult version of of this.


So this actually basic the idea. We we just want to build a more uh adult vers adult version of of this.

And and for colours , we we figured starting with basic colours like uh white or metallic grey. Those are the technological colours actually ,


And and for colours , we we figured starting with basic colours like uh white or metallic grey. Those are the technological colours actually ,

Yeah. It would be best to to appeal to a broad public and make the covers exchangeable ,


And and for colours , we we figured starting with basic colours like uh white or metallic grey. Those are the technological colours actually ,

Yeah. It would be best to to appeal to a broad public and make the covers exchangeable ,

so the young people will buy an orange and a red and blue and a purple ,


Yeah. It would be best to to appeal to a broad public and make the covers exchangeable ,

so the young people will buy an orange and a red and blue and a purple ,


so the young people will buy an orange and a red and blue and a purple ,

but when the o older people uh go in the shop and they see uh an orange um remote control , it would be less appealing than a white one. And young people , we think , are a little bit more flexible ,


but when the o older people uh go in the shop and they see uh an orange um remote control , it would be less appealing than a white one. And young people , we think , are a little bit more flexible ,

they think , ah I'll buy for a couple of Euros some noi nice hip uh


but when the o older people uh go in the shop and they see uh an orange um remote control , it would be less appealing than a white one. And young people , we think , are a little bit more flexible ,

they think , ah I'll buy for a couple of Euros some noi nice hip uh

Hmm. Maybe it's an idea to sell it without a cover , so that you can pick a cover in the in the shop.


they think , ah I'll buy for a couple of Euros some noi nice hip uh

Hmm. Maybe it's an idea to sell it without a cover , so that you can pick a cover in the in the shop.

Well , um I think a cover is necessary , 'cause als otherwise you'll just have the L_C_D_ screen.


Hmm. Maybe it's an idea to sell it without a cover , so that you can pick a cover in the in the shop.

Well , um I think a cover is necessary , 'cause als otherwise you'll just have the L_C_D_ screen.

So , there must be some cheap standard cover , um maybe white or something ,


Well , um I think a cover is necessary , 'cause als otherwise you'll just have the L_C_D_ screen.

So , there must be some cheap standard cover , um maybe white or something ,


So , there must be some cheap standard cover , um maybe white or something ,

that's could comes with it and you can buy , so we can make extra money.


So , there must be some cheap standard cover , um maybe white or something ,

that's could comes with it and you can buy , so we can make extra money.

Yeah , but uh you d you mustn't forget that uh our target aim is younger people.


that's could comes with it and you can buy , so we can make extra money.

Yeah , but uh you d you mustn't forget that uh our target aim is younger people.


that's could comes with it and you can buy , so we can make extra money.

Yeah , but uh you d you mustn't forget that uh our target aim is younger people.

Uh , we had decided to uh put uh some flashy fruity colours in it , uh and uh in the survey from uh Milan and Paris uh it uh it came out that uh uh the d the older people are uh more willing to uh to spend money on extra features. So I think uh it will be a better idea to have some uh flashy fruity colours as as a standard ,


Yeah , but uh you d you mustn't forget that uh our target aim is younger people.

Uh , we had decided to uh put uh some flashy fruity colours in it , uh and uh in the survey from uh Milan and Paris uh it uh it came out that uh uh the d the older people are uh more willing to uh to spend money on extra features. So I think uh it will be a better idea to have some uh flashy fruity colours as as a standard ,


Uh , we had decided to uh put uh some flashy fruity colours in it , uh and uh in the survey from uh Milan and Paris uh it uh it came out that uh uh the d the older people are uh more willing to uh to spend money on extra features. So I think uh it will be a better idea to have some uh flashy fruity colours as as a standard ,


Uh , we had decided to uh put uh some flashy fruity colours in it , uh and uh in the survey from uh Milan and Paris uh it uh it came out that uh uh the d the older people are uh more willing to uh to spend money on extra features. So I think uh it will be a better idea to have some uh flashy fruity colours as as a standard ,

and for the people who uh really want uh a more sophisticated , more traditional look , they're willing to pay uh that.


and for the people who uh really want uh a more sophisticated , more traditional look , they're willing to pay uh that.


and for the people who uh really want uh a more sophisticated , more traditional look , they're willing to pay uh that.

They want uh   they want more luxury stuff ,


They want uh   they want more luxury stuff ,

but they have the money to do it and they want to b to buy that.


but they have the money to do it and they want to b to buy that.

So , maybe it's an idea to put that as an extra and not as a standard.


So , maybe it's an idea to put that as an extra and not as a standard.


So , maybe it's an idea to put that as an extra and not as a standard.

Yeah. Yeah , maybe  yeah , perhaps you're right. Uh , I I would I would actually agree with this sounds logical.


Yeah. Yeah , maybe  yeah , perhaps you're right. Uh , I I would I would actually agree with this sounds logical.


Yeah. Yeah , maybe  yeah , perhaps you're right. Uh , I I would I would actually agree with this sounds logical.

An another idea. Uh , maybe we could uh develop a cover uh with wood style.


An another idea. Uh , maybe we could uh develop a cover uh with wood style.


Well yeah , a colour of  a wood style , a white c and uh a couple of h hip uh fruity colours.


Well yeah , a colour of  a wood style , a white c and uh a couple of h hip uh fruity colours.

And lea uh l delivered standard with a fruity colour , but not too not too much.


And lea uh l delivered standard with a fruity colour , but not too not too much.


And lea uh l delivered standard with a fruity colour , but not too not too much.

This is banana and mango , not not purple or p orange and yellow.


This is banana and mango , not not purple or p orange and yellow.


This is banana and mango , not not purple or p orange and yellow.

Yeah. But , the mai I think th uh the standard must be some kind of uh uh attractive flashy colours.


Yeah. But , the mai I think th uh the standard must be some kind of uh uh attractive flashy colours.


This isn't this isn't too much , is it ?


This isn't this isn't too much , is it ?

Well , the buttons don't have to be uh all uh all of


Well , the buttons don't have to be uh all uh all of


Well , the buttons don't have to be uh all uh all of

Yeah , except for the buttons it's  it could be a standard model.


Yeah , except for the buttons it's  it could be a standard model.


Yeah , except for the buttons it's  it could be a standard model.

Yeah , uh something like this would be nice.


Yeah , uh something like this would be nice.


Oh.  During the design uh design life-cycle we uh


Oh.  During the design uh design life-cycle we uh

we made lot of requirements and trend analysis and stuff. Um , now is the time to uh evaluate our prototype concept to uh to the past requirements.  So we are going to evaluate the design according to the past user requirements and trends analysis. Um , we're going to do that with a seven point scale. Opening a Word document now. Okay. One  oh , okay , uh I have to expla explain something. We have to uh be consensive about about things. So , it has to be a group uh group decision.


we made lot of requirements and trend analysis and stuff. Um , now is the time to uh evaluate our prototype concept to uh to the past requirements.  So we are going to evaluate the design according to the past user requirements and trends analysis. Um , we're going to do that with a seven point scale. Opening a Word document now. Okay. One  oh , okay , uh I have to expla explain something. We have to uh be consensive about about things. So , it has to be a group uh group decision.


Yeah. Okay , one. The remote control is designed for people with age below forty.


Yeah , it's not just uh designed for people under the age of forty. It's also designed for people above forty.


Yeah , two or three , because it's not just  uh the qu question is aimed at is it designed for people with age below forty.


Yeah , two or three , because it's not just  uh the qu question is aimed at is it designed for people with age below forty.

But it's also designed for people of age above forty. So ,


But it's also designed for people of age above forty. So ,


it will be primary appealing to to m minus forty , but also appealing to


it will be primary appealing to to m minus forty , but also appealing to

Yeah. But also for  yeah , okay. Uh , second. The remote control is beautiful.


Yeah. But also for  yeah , okay. Uh , second. The remote control is beautiful.


Yeah , acco according to us , it's one ? Or


it's the marketing uh angle on television.


p s Of c of course you have to be uh very positive and uh enthusiastic about your own product.


p s Of c of course you have to be uh very positive and uh enthusiastic about your own product.

Three. Uh , the remote control looks fancy.


Three. Uh , the remote control looks fancy.


Good. Four. The remote control has big , clear channel switching buttons.


Good. Four. The remote control has big , clear channel switching buttons.

Yes. Yeah yeah , oh they have to agree but


Yes. Yeah yeah , oh they have to agree but


Daniel. Uh , teletext buttons and volume buttons ?


Daniel. Uh , teletext buttons and volume buttons ?

No teletext buttons. Teletext is in the menu.


No teletext buttons. Teletext is in the menu.


But you could make a teletext button uh six.


But you could make a teletext button uh six.

Otherwise , the people who read this uh are gonna think we have no teletext button.


Otherwise , the people who read this uh are gonna think we have no teletext button.

Yeah , but but the teletext button. Yeah , you can ch That's in a menu.


Yeah , but but the teletext button. Yeah , you can ch That's in a menu.


What do you think , uh Mister Project Manager ?


What do you think , uh Mister Project Manager ?

Oh , okay. Well , I agree. I was thinking very black and white.


Oh , okay. Well , I agree. I was thinking very black and white.


Red. Okay. Volume. The remote control is easy to be found.


Red. Okay. Volume. The remote control is easy to be found.

Uh well , when we put in fancy colours , yeah


Uh well , when we put in fancy colours , yeah

Yeah , it has these  all these fruity colours and it has a strange shape.


Yeah , it has these  all these fruity colours and it has a strange shape.


Yeah , it has these  all these fruity colours and it has a strange shape.

So , if you so if you have  trouble finding it


Yeah , it has these  all these fruity colours and it has a strange shape.

So , if you so if you have  trouble finding it

But , um it it's not making any sound uh ,


So , if you so if you have  trouble finding it

But , um it it's not making any sound uh ,


But , um it it's not making any sound uh ,


but  If you put uh your normal uh remote control under your bed , or you throw this remote control under your bed , is it better findable ?


but  If you put uh your normal uh remote control under your bed , or you throw this remote control under your bed , is it better findable ?

It'll make a difference. We have the better re  I don't know. Yeah , I think so. My remote control's black.


It'll make a difference. We have the better re  I don't know. Yeah , I think so. My remote control's black.

Yeah. Well , we p we can do it glow in the dark.


Yeah. Well , we p we can do it glow in the dark.


So , if it's in the dark place , you still see it glowing.


So , if it's in the dark place , you still see it glowing.

Ah , I I I think five. It's it's  it doesn't really make a lot of


Ah , I I I think five. It's it's  it doesn't really make a lot of


Ah , I I I think five. It's it's  it doesn't really make a lot of

Because uh four is between three and uh uh also between between true and false.


Because uh four is between three and uh uh also between between true and false.


Ah , you must see it as uh , w uh according to uh the the other uh remote controls , there may uh uh be there in your uh T_V_ room , this one will stand out , I think.


Yeah , that that's a better question actually.


Yeah , that that's a better question actually.

Exa I think that that's what it's about.


Exa I think that that's what it's about.


Exa I think that that's what it's about.

If your uh fifteen remotes in a drawer , uh you find it , yeah ?


If your uh fifteen remotes in a drawer , uh you find it , yeah ?

If it  if this lying on your couch , you're you're  you think what's that for kinda orange uh thing.


If it  if this lying on your couch , you're you're  you think what's that for kinda orange uh thing.

But but the survey under users was that they uh really lost it.


But but the survey under users was that they uh really lost it.


But but the survey under users was that they uh really lost it.

Like , no not uh not seeing it , but lost it in the house or something.


Like , no not uh not seeing it , but lost it in the house or something.


Like , no not uh not seeing it , but lost it in the house or something.

Uh , but when you lost it you're just not


Uh , but when you lost it you're just not

Well , if i if you see a strange shape lying somewhere , uh then you'd uh recognise it as , whoa , that is strange.


Well , if i if you see a strange shape lying somewhere , uh then you'd uh recognise it as , whoa , that is strange.

Yeah , mostly when you lose your remote control , it it's under your


Well , if i if you see a strange shape lying somewhere , uh then you'd uh recognise it as , whoa , that is strange.

Yeah , mostly when you lose your remote control , it it's under your

Yeah , okay. Yeah , I I agree , I agree.


Yeah , mostly when you lose your remote control , it it's under your

Yeah , okay. Yeah , I I agree , I agree.


Yeah , mostly when you lose your remote control , it it's under your

Yeah , okay. Yeah , I I agree , I agree.

Most of times when you lose it you're sitting on it. Uh


Yeah , okay. Yeah , I I agree , I agree.

Most of times when you lose it you're sitting on it. Uh


Most of times when you lose it you're sitting on it. Uh

Okay. Eight , the remote control has fresh , fruity colours.


Okay. Eight , the remote control has fresh , fruity colours.


Okay. Eight , the remote control has fresh , fruity colours.

'cause we decided not to make two f uh fresh colours , as it would not .


'cause we decided not to make two f uh fresh colours , as it would not .


'cause we decided not to make two f uh fresh colours , as it would not .

The remote control is made of soft material.


The remote control is made of soft material.


The remote control is made of soft material.

Yeah , but not too soft we have decided.


Yeah , but not too soft we have decided.


Jus just with ten buttons , that's the easiest.


Jus just with ten buttons , that's the easiest.

function f yeah , functionality and our fancy uh look , so.


function f yeah , functionality and our fancy uh look , so.


function f yeah , functionality and our fancy uh look , so.

Yeah , but the most uh easy to use is just with one button


function f yeah , functionality and our fancy uh look , so.

Yeah , but the most uh easy to use is just with one button

But  It is r it is rather easy to use , because you have the primary buttons always visible.


Yeah , but the most uh easy to use is just with one button

But  It is r it is rather easy to use , because you have the primary buttons always visible.

on t  Yeah , okay , but easy n not not the most easy to use , I think.


But  It is r it is rather easy to use , because you have the primary buttons always visible.

on t  Yeah , okay , but easy n not not the most easy to use , I think.

No , it's it  I I'll go for two. My vote's on two.


on t  Yeah , okay , but easy n not not the most easy to use , I think.

No , it's it  I I'll go for two. My vote's on two.


No , it's it  I I'll go for two. My vote's on two.


We also have to compare it to the uh to the remote controls on the market nowadays. So


We also have to compare it to the uh to the remote controls on the market nowadays. So

Yeah , but waits just a minutes. Inspiration.


We also have to compare it to the uh to the remote controls on the market nowadays. So

Yeah , but waits just a minutes. Inspiration.

What's the time ? We also have uh to do the evaluation , uh the production costs and uh stuff.


Yeah , but waits just a minutes. Inspiration.

What's the time ? We also have uh to do the evaluation , uh the production costs and uh stuff.


What's the time ? We also have uh to do the evaluation , uh the production costs and uh stuff.

Okay , eleven. The remote control is innovative.


Okay , eleven. The remote control is innovative.


You haven't seen a more innovative uh thing in uh Paris ?


You haven't seen a more innovative uh thing in uh Paris ?

The remote control has m remova  removable  from Multilux.


The remote control has m remova  removable  from Multilux.

The remote control , i it has speech recognition.


The remote control , i it has speech recognition.


This is used with speech recognition , this.


This is used with speech recognition , this.

Yes. But uh , maybe make it two , because the games are in a sub-menu and not uh  it's not an entire game.


This is used with speech recognition , this.

Yes. But uh , maybe make it two , because the games are in a sub-menu and not uh  it's not an entire game.

Yeah , but they are built in , so it's one.


Yes. But uh , maybe make it two , because the games are in a sub-menu and not uh  it's not an entire game.

Yeah , but they are built in , so it's one.


Yeah , but they are built in , so it's one.


And the last , paren  parental advisory function.


Mm. Okay , we have now to c uh to calculate the production cost. If it's under uh twelve and half Euro , then it's uh ok uh okay. But i is it  if it is b Huh ? No , this isn't right. Okay so , . Redesign.


Mm. Okay , we have now to c uh to calculate the production cost. If it's under uh twelve and half Euro , then it's uh ok uh okay. But i is it  if it is b Huh ? No , this isn't right. Okay so , . Redesign.

Oh yeah , if they under  Yeah. No. Oh yeah. Yeah , it's


Oh yeah , if they under  Yeah. No. Oh yeah. Yeah , it's

sorry. Yeah , if the costs are under twelve and a half Euro , uh then we uh can uh ra uh move on to the project evaluation , as we have uh experienced it. Otherwise , we have uh do uh have to do a little uh redesign uh thingy. So  Uh , we have to fill in the numbers of the component uh components. We have to uh fil uh , want to uh do it in and uh see uh if we stay under the twelve and a half Euro. So , do we have uh a hand dynamo ? No.


sorry. Yeah , if the costs are under twelve and a half Euro , uh then we uh can uh ra uh move on to the project evaluation , as we have uh experienced it. Otherwise , we have uh do uh have to do a little uh redesign uh thingy. So  Uh , we have to fill in the numbers of the component uh components. We have to uh fil uh , want to uh do it in and uh see uh if we stay under the twelve and a half Euro. So , do we have uh a hand dynamo ? No.


Yeah uh , but it it's one one thing , it's three Euro.


But is it s it's not made from a single uncurved thingy and then uh   and then uh


no ? Okay.  So it's only uh once double-curved.


'cause um the layer around it fits around the bubbles on the o on the uh the back of the


'cause um the layer around it fits around the bubbles on the o on the uh the back of the

Okay. We're now in a problem , 'cause uh we have uh reached eleven Euro yet.


Okay. We're now in a problem , 'cause uh we have uh reached eleven Euro yet.


Just go on. Then we'll see uh  we'll we'll see uh wha how much we are over budget.


And zero. Special uh  is the special colour ?


And zero. Special uh  is the special colour ?

I don't think so. No , this is a standard colour.


I don't think so. No , this is a standard colour.


I don't think so. No , this is a standard colour.

Yeah , but we want to make uh the wood colours , uh that uh


Yeah , but we want to make uh the wood colours , uh that uh


Yeah , but we want to make uh the wood colours , uh that uh

Yeah , if if you're honest , we'll uh type one , special colour.


Yeah , if if you're honest , we'll uh type one , special colour.

Yeah , but but D but Daniel , tha that's that's another brand.


Yeah , but but D but Daniel , tha that's that's another brand.


Yeah , but we we going to  yeah yeah , that's true. But yeah , it's it's  it


Yeah , but we we going to  yeah yeah , that's true. But yeah , it's it's  it

Uh , j maybe we'll finish uh the the list first and then look back , aye ?


Yeah , but we we going to  yeah yeah , that's true. But yeah , it's it's  it

Uh , j maybe we'll finish uh the the list first and then look back , aye ?

That doesn't account for this. Producing this.


Uh , j maybe we'll finish uh the the list first and then look back , aye ?

That doesn't account for this. Producing this.


That doesn't account for this. Producing this.


Well , we're only four Euro over budget.


Well , we're only four Euro over budget.

Oh , okay. So , um what's the thing we can change ?


Oh , okay. So , um what's the thing we can change ?


Well , other case , we can make it single-curved or uncurved.


No , can I say something uh as Project Manager ?


No , can I say something uh as Project Manager ?

The kinetic thing , can we just skip it ,


The kinetic thing , can we just skip it ,


The kinetic thing , can we just skip it ,

because uh you have to shake it , but that's not really innovative.


because uh you have to shake it , but that's not really innovative.


because uh you have to shake it , but that's not really innovative.

yeah.  Yeah , we just put a good battery it it.


yeah.  Yeah , we just put a good battery it it.


What do you think about uh putting a battery in it , but also selling like uh the covers , a docking station


What do you think about uh putting a battery in it , but also selling like uh the covers , a docking station

just apart from the from the thing , so that you can uh put uh


just apart from the from the thing , so that you can uh put uh


But you can use rechargeable batteries anyway , just you s you have to recharge them manual.


But you can use rechargeable batteries anyway , just you s you have to recharge them manual.

But we  if you forget about the kinetic ,


But we  if you forget about the kinetic ,


well you you can go from double-curved to single-curved.


well you you can go from double-curved to single-curved.

And that would solve the budget problem.


well you you can go from double-curved to single-curved.

And that would solve the budget problem.

Uh , b but i but the single-curved is just  oh


And that would solve the budget problem.

Uh , b but i but the single-curved is just  oh

Yeah , so we have to bake the ba back flat , and then


Uh , b but i but the single-curved is just  oh

Yeah , so we have to bake the ba back flat , and then

No , it's it's just one curve and not a back uh curved I think. Or


Yeah , so we have to bake the ba back flat , and then

No , it's it's just one curve and not a back uh curved I think. Or

It's just  yeah well , the single-curve that


No , it's it's just one curve and not a back uh curved I think. Or

It's just  yeah well , the single-curve that


It's just  yeah well , the single-curve that


And then w yeah , and then we could have it , but uh  it's its' well it's it's r it is the main point of the the the the look.


And then w yeah , and then we could have it , but uh  it's its' well it's it's r it is the main point of the the the the look.

Yeah , but what else uh do we have to cut out ? No advanced chip , uh that's a little bit of problem.


Yeah , but what else uh do we have to cut out ? No advanced chip , uh that's a little bit of problem.


Although , can we make it with a regular chip ?


Although , can we make it with a regular chip ?

Hey , those ar arcs , why are there for ?


Hey , those ar arcs , why are there for ?


So , if we do this , uh we're on uh twelve and a half Euro. And we're done.


So , if we do this , uh we're on uh twelve and a half Euro. And we're done.

Yeah , but does it fit with our design ?


So , if we do this , uh we're on uh twelve and a half Euro. And we're done.

Yeah , but does it fit with our design ?

Do we have to u adapt it ? It's single-curves.


Yeah , but does it fit with our design ?

Do we have to u adapt it ? It's single-curves.

Yeah , single-curved , but there's a curve in it. So


Do we have to u adapt it ? It's single-curves.

Yeah , single-curved , but there's a curve in it. So


Do we have to u adapt it ? It's single-curves.

Yeah , single-curved , but there's a curve in it. So

W Could we just make the bubbles uh cut off the back , and then we're uh has


Yeah , single-curved , but there's a curve in it. So

W Could we just make the bubbles uh cut off the back , and then we're uh has


W Could we just make the bubbles uh cut off the back , and then we're uh has


But , wha 'Kay , look , what is the uh  If you make it double-curved , it costs one Euro more.


But , wha 'Kay , look , what is the uh  If you make it double-curved , it costs one Euro more.

But  No , but does it have a lot of extra uh


But  No , but does it have a lot of extra uh


Uh , there's an a a athe aesthetic value , but not functionality.


Uh , there's an a a athe aesthetic value , but not functionality.

Yeah , it's really a static value. Yeah.


Yeah , it's really a static value. Yeah.

Yeah , uh aesthetic. I mean , uh you make like eleven and a half Euros profit instead of twelve and a half. But  I don't know if twelve and a half is uh a fixed uh fixed price.


Yeah , uh aesthetic. I mean , uh you make like eleven and a half Euros profit instead of twelve and a half. But  I don't know if twelve and a half is uh a fixed uh fixed price.


But I I figured that the kinetic would be a marketing promotion.


But I I figured that the kinetic would be a marketing promotion.

R if you uh promote a kinetic um  I  kinetic remote control , I mean , that would b sell better than an  a normal remote control.


R if you uh promote a kinetic um  I  kinetic remote control , I mean , that would b sell better than an  a normal remote control.


R if you uh promote a kinetic um  I  kinetic remote control , I mean , that would b sell better than an  a normal remote control.

Do you think ? Well , now you can shake your remote  control.


Do you think ? Well , now you can shake your remote  control.


Do you think ? Well , now you can shake your remote  control.

No , well , y I mean uh , y you can go into your neighbour and tell him , ha , my k uh remote control is kinetic.


No , well , y I mean uh , y you can go into your neighbour and tell him , ha , my k uh remote control is kinetic.


No , well , y I mean uh , y you can go into your neighbour and tell him , ha , my k uh remote control is kinetic.

You have standard old battery control uh remote con


You have standard old battery control uh remote con


You have standard old battery control uh remote con

What a what about all the m the environment freaks ?


What a what about all the m the environment freaks ?

Yeah , but it doesn't fit in our co cost profile. So


Yeah , but it doesn't fit in our co cost profile. So


I I think it's it's  It look like this one.


I I think it's it's  It look like this one.

You ma can make an an especialised extra gold version.


I I think it's it's  It look like this one.

You ma can make an an especialised extra gold version.

Yeah ? Who  because if you want to go to kinetic , you're uh you're on thirteen and a half and you must go to flat ,


I I think it's it's  It look like this one.

You ma can make an an especialised extra gold version.

Yeah ? Who  because if you want to go to kinetic , you're uh you're on thirteen and a half and you must go to flat ,

and I think now it's it's more of uh a compromise


You ma can make an an especialised extra gold version.

Yeah ? Who  because if you want to go to kinetic , you're uh you're on thirteen and a half and you must go to flat ,

and I think now it's it's more of uh a compromise


Yeah ? Who  because if you want to go to kinetic , you're uh you're on thirteen and a half and you must go to flat ,

and I think now it's it's more of uh a compromise


and I think now it's it's more of uh a compromise


And if you make the single curve ha just a big curve ,  then it's uh then it's uh


And if you make the single curve ha just a big curve ,  then it's uh then it's uh

I was going to uh say nasty words , but I don't.


I was going to uh say nasty words , but I don't.


I was going to uh say nasty words , but I don't.

Wood is m is is is cheaper than rubber. We thought that wood would be more expensive.


Wood is m is is is cheaper than rubber. We thought that wood would be more expensive.

Uh , this uh American figures. You just cut down some trees.


Wood is m is is is cheaper than rubber. We thought that wood would be more expensive.

Uh , this uh American figures. You just cut down some trees.

Yeah , maybe. But uh that  this is this is it ? Yeah. Okay , this is it.


Uh , this uh American figures. You just cut down some trees.

Yeah , maybe. But uh that  this is this is it ? Yeah. Okay , this is it.


Uh , this uh American figures. You just cut down some trees.

Yeah , maybe. But uh that  this is this is it ? Yeah. Okay , this is it.

Whoever makes uh a remote control out of titanium.


Yeah , maybe. But uh that  this is this is it ? Yeah. Okay , this is it.

Whoever makes uh a remote control out of titanium.


Whoever makes uh a remote control out of titanium.


Whoever makes uh a remote control out of titanium.

It is possible , but you can't use double uh curves for titanium.


It is possible , but you can't use double uh curves for titanium.


Ah no , we have to do all those hours again.


Ah no , we have to do all those hours again.

Go back. One back ? Costs on uh   No redesign.


Ah no , we have to do all those hours again.

Go back. One back ? Costs on uh   No redesign.

Well , we were above , so we did a little redesign


Go back. One back ? Costs on uh   No redesign.

Well , we were above , so we did a little redesign

We sue.  We  Yeah , we'll start her all o all over again.


Well , we were above , so we did a little redesign

We sue.  We  Yeah , we'll start her all o all over again.


Whatever we say from now on , it can be held against us , right ?


Yeah. So I  I  the  the problem is that I actually don't know how th these held meetings are held , if they are very informal and sort of just people are say what 's going on


We just sorta go around and people say what 's going on , what 's the latest uh


We just sorta go around and people say what 's going on , what 's the latest uh

Yeah. OK. So I guess that what may be a  reasonable is if I uh first make a report on what 's happening in Aurora in general , at least what from my perspective.


We just sorta go around and people say what 's going on , what 's the latest uh

Yeah. OK. So I guess that what may be a  reasonable is if I uh first make a report on what 's happening in Aurora in general , at least what from my perspective.

And  and uh so , I  I think that Carmen and Stephane reported on uh Amsterdam meeting ,


Yeah. OK. So I guess that what may be a  reasonable is if I uh first make a report on what 's happening in Aurora in general , at least what from my perspective.

And  and uh so , I  I think that Carmen and Stephane reported on uh Amsterdam meeting ,


And  and uh so , I  I think that Carmen and Stephane reported on uh Amsterdam meeting ,

which was kind of interesting because it was for the first time we realized we are not friends really , but we are competitors. Cuz until then it was sort of like everything was like wonderful and


And  and uh so , I  I think that Carmen and Stephane reported on uh Amsterdam meeting ,

which was kind of interesting because it was for the first time we realized we are not friends really , but we are competitors. Cuz until then it was sort of like everything was like wonderful and

Yeah. It seemed like there were still some issues ,


which was kind of interesting because it was for the first time we realized we are not friends really , but we are competitors. Cuz until then it was sort of like everything was like wonderful and

Yeah. It seemed like there were still some issues ,


which was kind of interesting because it was for the first time we realized we are not friends really , but we are competitors. Cuz until then it was sort of like everything was like wonderful and

Yeah. It seemed like there were still some issues ,

right ? that they were trying to decide ?


Yeah. It seemed like there were still some issues ,

right ? that they were trying to decide ?

There is a plenty of  there 're plenty of issues.


right ? that they were trying to decide ?

There is a plenty of  there 're plenty of issues.


right ? that they were trying to decide ?

There is a plenty of  there 're plenty of issues.

Well and what happened was that they realized that if two leading proposals , which was French Telecom Alcatel , and us both had uh voice activity detector. And I said " well big surprise , I mean we could have told you that  n n n four months ago , except we didn't because nobody else was bringing it up ".


There is a plenty of  there 're plenty of issues.

Well and what happened was that they realized that if two leading proposals , which was French Telecom Alcatel , and us both had uh voice activity detector. And I said " well big surprise , I mean we could have told you that  n n n four months ago , except we didn't because nobody else was bringing it up ".


Well and what happened was that they realized that if two leading proposals , which was French Telecom Alcatel , and us both had uh voice activity detector. And I said " well big surprise , I mean we could have told you that  n n n four months ago , except we didn't because nobody else was bringing it up ".

Obviously French Telecom didn't volunteer this information either , cuz we were working on  mainly on voice activity detector for past uh several months


Obviously French Telecom didn't volunteer this information either , cuz we were working on  mainly on voice activity detector for past uh several months

because that 's buying us the most uh thing. And everybody said " Well but this is not fair. We didn't know that. " And of course uh the  it 's not working on features really. And be I agreed.


because that 's buying us the most uh thing. And everybody said " Well but this is not fair. We didn't know that. " And of course uh the  it 's not working on features really. And be I agreed.

I said " well yeah , you are absolutely right , I mean if I wish that you provided better end point at speech because uh  or at least that if we could modify the recognizer , uh to account for these long silences , because otherwise uh that  that  th that wasn't a correct thing. " And so then ev ev everybody else says " well we should  we need to do a new eval evaluation without voice activity detector , or we have to do something about it ".


I said " well yeah , you are absolutely right , I mean if I wish that you provided better end point at speech because uh  or at least that if we could modify the recognizer , uh to account for these long silences , because otherwise uh that  that  th that wasn't a correct thing. " And so then ev ev everybody else says " well we should  we need to do a new eval evaluation without voice activity detector , or we have to do something about it ".


We said uh " yeah ". Because uh  but in that case , uh we would like to change the uh  the algorithm because uh if we are working on different data , we probably will use a different set of tricks.


We said uh " yeah ". Because uh  but in that case , uh we would like to change the uh  the algorithm because uh if we are working on different data , we probably will use a different set of tricks.

But unfortunately nobody ever officially can somehow acknowledge that this can be done , because French Telecom was saying " no , no , no , now everybody has access to our code , so everybody is going to copy what we did. " Yeah well our argument was everybody ha has access to our code , and everybody always had access to our code. We never uh  uh denied that. We thought that people are honest , that if you copy something and if it is protected  protected by patent then you negotiate , or something ,


But unfortunately nobody ever officially can somehow acknowledge that this can be done , because French Telecom was saying " no , no , no , now everybody has access to our code , so everybody is going to copy what we did. " Yeah well our argument was everybody ha has access to our code , and everybody always had access to our code. We never uh  uh denied that. We thought that people are honest , that if you copy something and if it is protected  protected by patent then you negotiate , or something ,

right ? I mean , if you find our technique useful , we are very happy.


right ? I mean , if you find our technique useful , we are very happy.

But  And French Telecom was saying " no , no , no ,


But  And French Telecom was saying " no , no , no ,

there is a lot of little tricks which uh sort of uh cannot be protected and you guys will take them , " which probably is also true. I mean , you know , it might be that people will take uh uh th the algorithms apart and use the blocks from that. But I somehow think that it wouldn't be so bad , as long as people are happy abou uh uh uh honest about it.


there is a lot of little tricks which uh sort of uh cannot be protected and you guys will take them , " which probably is also true. I mean , you know , it might be that people will take uh uh th the algorithms apart and use the blocks from that. But I somehow think that it wouldn't be so bad , as long as people are happy abou uh uh uh honest about it.

And I think they have to be honest in the long run , because winning proposal again  uh what will be available th is  will be a code. So the uh  the people can go to code and say " well listen this is what you stole from me "


And I think they have to be honest in the long run , because winning proposal again  uh what will be available th is  will be a code. So the uh  the people can go to code and say " well listen this is what you stole from me "


So I don't see the problem. The biggest problem of course is that f that Alcatel French Telecom cl claims " well we fulfilled the conditions. We are the best. Uh. We are the standard. " And e and other people don't feel that , because they  so they now decided that  that  is  the whole thing will be done on well - endpointed data , essentially that somebody will endpoint the data based on clean speech , because most of this the SpeechDat - Car has the also close speaking mike and endpoints will be provided.


So I don't see the problem. The biggest problem of course is that f that Alcatel French Telecom cl claims " well we fulfilled the conditions. We are the best. Uh. We are the standard. " And e and other people don't feel that , because they  so they now decided that  that  is  the whole thing will be done on well - endpointed data , essentially that somebody will endpoint the data based on clean speech , because most of this the SpeechDat - Car has the also close speaking mike and endpoints will be provided.

And uh we will run again  still not clear if we are going to run the  if we are allowed to run uh uh new algorithms , but I assume so. Because uh we would fight for that , really. uh but  since uh u u n u  at least our experience is that only endpointing a  a mel cepstrum gets uh  gets you twenty - one percent improvement overall and twenty - seven improvement on SpeechDat - Car


And uh we will run again  still not clear if we are going to run the  if we are allowed to run uh uh new algorithms , but I assume so. Because uh we would fight for that , really. uh but  since uh u u n u  at least our experience is that only endpointing a  a mel cepstrum gets uh  gets you twenty - one percent improvement overall and twenty - seven improvement on SpeechDat - Car

then obvious the database  uh I mean the  the  the  uh the baseline will go up. And nobody can then achieve fifty percent improvement.


then obvious the database  uh I mean the  the  the  uh the baseline will go up. And nobody can then achieve fifty percent improvement.

So they agreed that uh there will be a twenty - five percent improvement required on  on uh h u m bad mis badly mismatched


then obvious the database  uh I mean the  the  the  uh the baseline will go up. And nobody can then achieve fifty percent improvement.

So they agreed that uh there will be a twenty - five percent improvement required on  on uh h u m bad mis badly mismatched

But wait a minute , I thought the endpointing really only helped in the noisy cases.


So they agreed that uh there will be a twenty - five percent improvement required on  on uh h u m bad mis badly mismatched

But wait a minute , I thought the endpointing really only helped in the noisy cases.


So they agreed that uh there will be a twenty - five percent improvement required on  on uh h u m bad mis badly mismatched

But wait a minute , I thought the endpointing really only helped in the noisy cases.

Oh , but you still have that with the MFCC.


But wait a minute , I thought the endpointing really only helped in the noisy cases.

Oh , but you still have that with the MFCC.


Oh , but you still have that with the MFCC.


Oh , but you still have that with the MFCC.

Yeah but you have the same prob I mean MFCC basically has an enormous number of uh insertions.


Yeah but you have the same prob I mean MFCC basically has an enormous number of uh insertions.


Yeah but you have the same prob I mean MFCC basically has an enormous number of uh insertions.

And so , so now they want to say " we  we will require fifty percent improvement only for well matched condition , and only twenty - five percent for the serial cases. "


And so , so now they want to say " we  we will require fifty percent improvement only for well matched condition , and only twenty - five percent for the serial cases. "

And uh  and they almost agreed on that except that it wasn't a hundred percent agreed. And so last time uh during the meeting , I just uh brought up the issue , I said " well you know uh quite frankly I 'm surprised how lightly you are making these decisions because this is a major decision. For two years we are fighting for fifty percent improvement and suddenly you are saying " oh no we  we will do something less " , but maybe we should discuss that. And everybody said " oh we discussed that and you were not a mee there " and I said " well a lot of other people were not there because not everybody participates at these teleconferencing c things. " Then they said " oh no no no because uh everybody is invited. " However , there is only ten or fifteen lines , so people can't even con you know participate. So eh they agreed , and so they said " OK , we will discuss that. " Immediately Nokia uh raised the question and they said " oh yeah we agree this is not good to to uh dissolve the uh uh  the uh  the criterion. "


And uh  and they almost agreed on that except that it wasn't a hundred percent agreed. And so last time uh during the meeting , I just uh brought up the issue , I said " well you know uh quite frankly I 'm surprised how lightly you are making these decisions because this is a major decision. For two years we are fighting for fifty percent improvement and suddenly you are saying " oh no we  we will do something less " , but maybe we should discuss that. And everybody said " oh we discussed that and you were not a mee there " and I said " well a lot of other people were not there because not everybody participates at these teleconferencing c things. " Then they said " oh no no no because uh everybody is invited. " However , there is only ten or fifteen lines , so people can't even con you know participate. So eh they agreed , and so they said " OK , we will discuss that. " Immediately Nokia uh raised the question and they said " oh yeah we agree this is not good to to uh dissolve the uh uh  the uh  the criterion. "

So now officially , Nokia is uh uh complaining and said they  they are looking for support , uh I think QualComm is uh saying , too " we shouldn't abandon the fifty percent yet. We should at least try once again , one more round. "


So now officially , Nokia is uh uh complaining and said they  they are looking for support , uh I think QualComm is uh saying , too " we shouldn't abandon the fifty percent yet. We should at least try once again , one more round. "


I hope that  I hope that this is going to be a adopted.


I hope that  I hope that this is going to be a adopted.

Next Wednesday we are going to have uh another uh teleconferencing call , so we 'll see what uh  where it goes.


I hope that  I hope that this is going to be a adopted.

Next Wednesday we are going to have uh another uh teleconferencing call , so we 'll see what uh  where it goes.

So what about the issue of um the weights on the  for the different systems , the well - matched , and medium - mismatched and


Next Wednesday we are going to have uh another uh teleconferencing call , so we 'll see what uh  where it goes.

So what about the issue of um the weights on the  for the different systems , the well - matched , and medium - mismatched and

Yeah , that 's what  that 's a g very good uh point , because David says " well you know we ca we can manipulate this number by choosing the right weights anyways. " So while you are right but  uh you know but


So what about the issue of um the weights on the  for the different systems , the well - matched , and medium - mismatched and

Yeah , that 's what  that 's a g very good uh point , because David says " well you know we ca we can manipulate this number by choosing the right weights anyways. " So while you are right but  uh you know but

Uh yeah , if of course if you put a zero  uh weight zero on a mismatched condition , or highly mismatched then  then you are done.


Yeah , that 's what  that 's a g very good uh point , because David says " well you know we ca we can manipulate this number by choosing the right weights anyways. " So while you are right but  uh you know but

Uh yeah , if of course if you put a zero  uh weight zero on a mismatched condition , or highly mismatched then  then you are done.


Uh yeah , if of course if you put a zero  uh weight zero on a mismatched condition , or highly mismatched then  then you are done.

But weights were also deter already decided uh half a year ago. So


But weights were also deter already decided uh half a year ago. So

Well , of course people will not like it. Now  What is happening now is that I th I think that people try to match the criterion to solution.


Well , of course people will not like it. Now  What is happening now is that I th I think that people try to match the criterion to solution.

They have solution. Now they want to  make sure their criterion is


They have solution. Now they want to  make sure their criterion is

And I think that this is not the right way.


And I think that this is not the right way.

Uh it may be that  that  Eventually it may ha may ha it may have to happen. But it 's should happen at a point where everybody feels comfortable that we did all what we could.


Uh it may be that  that  Eventually it may ha may ha it may have to happen. But it 's should happen at a point where everybody feels comfortable that we did all what we could.


Basically , I think that  that this test was a little bit bogus because of the data and uh essentially  there were these arbitrary decisions made , and  and everything. So , so  so this is  so this is where it is. So what we are doing at OGI now is uh uh uh working basically on our parts which we I think a little bit neglected , like noise separation. Uh so we are looking in ways is  in uh which  uh with which we can provide better initial estimate of the mel spectrum basically , which would be a l uh , f more robust to noise , and so far not much uh success.


Basically , I think that  that this test was a little bit bogus because of the data and uh essentially  there were these arbitrary decisions made , and  and everything. So , so  so this is  so this is where it is. So what we are doing at OGI now is uh uh uh working basically on our parts which we I think a little bit neglected , like noise separation. Uh so we are looking in ways is  in uh which  uh with which we can provide better initial estimate of the mel spectrum basically , which would be a l uh , f more robust to noise , and so far not much uh success.

We tried uh things which uh a long time ago Bill Byrne suggested , instead of using Fourier spectrum , from Fourier transform , use the spectrum from LPC model. Their argument there was the LPC model fits the peaks of the spectrum , so it may be m naturally more robust in noise. And I thought " well , that makes sense , " but so far we can't get much  much out of it.


We tried uh things which uh a long time ago Bill Byrne suggested , instead of using Fourier spectrum , from Fourier transform , use the spectrum from LPC model. Their argument there was the LPC model fits the peaks of the spectrum , so it may be m naturally more robust in noise. And I thought " well , that makes sense , " but so far we can't get much  much out of it.

uh we may try some standard techniques like spectral subtraction and


uh we may try some standard techniques like spectral subtraction and

not  not  not much. Or even I was thinking about uh looking back into these totally ad - hoc techniques


not  not  not much. Or even I was thinking about uh looking back into these totally ad - hoc techniques

like for instance uh Dennis Klatt was suggesting uh the one way to uh deal with noisy speech is to add noise to everything.


like for instance uh Dennis Klatt was suggesting uh the one way to uh deal with noisy speech is to add noise to everything.

So.  I mean , uh uh add moderate amount of noise to all data.


So.  I mean , uh uh add moderate amount of noise to all data.

So that makes uh th any additive noise less addi less a a effective ,


So that makes uh th any additive noise less addi less a a effective ,

right ? Because you already uh had the noise uh in a


right ? Because you already uh had the noise uh in a

And it was working at the time. It was kind of like one of these things , you know , but if you think about it , it 's actually pretty ingenious. So well , you know , just take a  take a spectrum and  and  and add of the constant , C , to every  every value.


right ? Because you already uh had the noise uh in a

And it was working at the time. It was kind of like one of these things , you know , but if you think about it , it 's actually pretty ingenious. So well , you know , just take a  take a spectrum and  and  and add of the constant , C , to every  every value.

Well you 're  you 're basically y Yeah. So you 're making all your training data more uniform.


And it was working at the time. It was kind of like one of these things , you know , but if you think about it , it 's actually pretty ingenious. So well , you know , just take a  take a spectrum and  and  and add of the constant , C , to every  every value.

Well you 're  you 're basically y Yeah. So you 're making all your training data more uniform.

Exactly. And if  if then  if this data becomes noisy , it b it becomes eff effectively becomes less noisy basically.