And uh if we if we could inc uh include a c a cradle in which it could recharge , then there wouldn't be uh a big problem.

I'll have to find that out. Yes. So  No , that's very cheap.


I'll have to find that out. Yes. So  No , that's very cheap.

It's  Oh , it's very cheap. That's no problem. It's just a a case with two uh metal contacts.


It's  Oh , it's very cheap. That's no problem. It's just a a case with two uh metal contacts.

I know , b uh but there should be an adapter as well.


It's  Oh , it's very cheap. That's no problem. It's just a a case with two uh metal contacts.

I know , b uh but there should be an adapter as well.

It's  Yes , but they're they're mass production.


I know , b uh but there should be an adapter as well.

It's  Yes , but they're they're mass production.


It's  Yes , but they're they're mass production.


So it will cost us p practically nothing.


So it will cost us p practically nothing.

Okay. We we have uh about ten minutes left this meeting. Um  I would like to hear um  maybe maybe you all have th uh things not um spoken about , yeah , but that are important. Uh Ruud , you you came up with the voice recognition uh data. Uh are there other things about the market we should know ?


So it will cost us p practically nothing.

Okay. We we have uh about ten minutes left this meeting. Um  I would like to hear um  maybe maybe you all have th uh things not um spoken about , yeah , but that are important. Uh Ruud , you you came up with the voice recognition uh data. Uh are there other things about the market we should know ?

Um I think we dealt with the most important information. Just that the younger part of uh the market isn't the forty percent we uh want to sell to. So we we should uh for least a bit uh look at the uh older people.


Okay. We we have uh about ten minutes left this meeting. Um  I would like to hear um  maybe maybe you all have th uh things not um spoken about , yeah , but that are important. Uh Ruud , you you came up with the voice recognition uh data. Uh are there other things about the market we should know ?

Um I think we dealt with the most important information. Just that the younger part of uh the market isn't the forty percent we uh want to sell to. So we we should uh for least a bit uh look at the uh older people.

But with uh buttons like that , which are easy to use , we uh might attract them too. So  I don't think that's a big problem


Um I think we dealt with the most important information. Just that the younger part of uh the market isn't the forty percent we uh want to sell to. So we we should uh for least a bit uh look at the uh older people.

But with uh buttons like that , which are easy to use , we uh might attract them too. So  I don't think that's a big problem


But with uh buttons like that , which are easy to use , we uh might attract them too. So  I don't think that's a big problem


But with uh buttons like that , which are easy to use , we uh might attract them too. So  I don't think that's a big problem

although we are focussing on younger people uh to make it uh profitable uh  Profitable. We we  yeah , we still need to take in account the the bit older people.


although we are focussing on younger people uh to make it uh profitable uh  Profitable. We we  yeah , we still need to take in account the the bit older people.


I have nothing uh nothing to add , I think.


I have nothing uh nothing to add , I think.

Um I just want to make a summary of all all things uh spoken and uh the different possibilities. Um


Um I just want to make a summary of all all things uh spoken and uh the different possibilities. Um

so uh basically we've decided to implement a seemingly uh easy design. So on the outside it looks easy , but uh we can make it easy on the inside or elaborate on the inside. So that's one  the  those are the choices we have to make. But I think there's a big advantage in making it more elaborate by uh implementing uh speech techniques , uh voice recognition , that  these kinds of things.


so uh basically we've decided to implement a seemingly uh easy design. So on the outside it looks easy , but uh we can make it easy on the inside or elaborate on the inside. So that's one  the  those are the choices we have to make. But I think there's a big advantage in making it more elaborate by uh implementing uh speech techniques , uh voice recognition , that  these kinds of things.

Um it makes it also more uh attractable , I think , to our uh audience. Um there are some advantages and some disadvantages , and the main advantage is that we can implement uh fancy techniques , which uh I think our customers will like. The disadvantage is that there are some concerns about uh the the costs and um the things like uh battery lifetime , energy saving.


Um it makes it also more uh attractable , I think , to our uh audience. Um there are some advantages and some disadvantages , and the main advantage is that we can implement uh fancy techniques , which uh I think our customers will like. The disadvantage is that there are some concerns about uh the the costs and um the things like uh battery lifetime , energy saving.

Uh another advantage is that the circuit board will become much more easier if we do not  do not implement these buttons.  If we just add uh uh a chip which does the voice recognition , uh our circuit board will become even more cheap. So that's another


Um it makes it also more uh attractable , I think , to our uh audience. Um there are some advantages and some disadvantages , and the main advantage is that we can implement uh fancy techniques , which uh I think our customers will like. The disadvantage is that there are some concerns about uh the the costs and um the things like uh battery lifetime , energy saving.

Uh another advantage is that the circuit board will become much more easier if we do not  do not implement these buttons.  If we just add uh uh a chip which does the voice recognition , uh our circuit board will become even more cheap. So that's another

Yeah , and that was the main issue , right ? The the board


Uh another advantage is that the circuit board will become much more easier if we do not  do not implement these buttons.  If we just add uh uh a chip which does the voice recognition , uh our circuit board will become even more cheap. So that's another

Yeah , and that was the main issue , right ? The the board

well , it wa it w it was an issue , but we also thought that  we already thought we should do it as cheaply as possible.


Yeah , and that was the main issue , right ? The the board

well , it wa it w it was an issue , but we also thought that  we already thought we should do it as cheaply as possible.


well , it wa it w it was an issue , but we also thought that  we already thought we should do it as cheaply as possible.

But the cheaper the ch uh the the chip or th what was it ?


But the cheaper the ch uh the the chip or th what was it ?


The fewer buttons you have , the ch ch the cheaper the circuit board , yes.


And it's very cheap uh to incorporate uh uh an integrated circuit , a chip. So that's that's another advantage.


And it's very cheap uh to incorporate uh uh an integrated circuit , a chip. So that's that's another advantage.

Well it  then we should just uh take a look at the costs and uh  especially for the voice recognition.


And it's very cheap uh to incorporate uh uh an integrated circuit , a chip. So that's that's another advantage.

Well it  then we should just uh take a look at the costs and uh  especially for the voice recognition.

So  Yes , because I don't know  Yes. I d I really don't know. So


Well it  then we should just uh take a look at the costs and uh  especially for the voice recognition.

So  Yes , because I don't know  Yes. I d I really don't know. So


So  Yes , because I don't know  Yes. I d I really don't know. So


I'm not sure how how we'll f uh determine the costs , I will have a look at it. Maybe you will get some information on that.


I'm not sure how how we'll f uh determine the costs , I will have a look at it. Maybe you will get some information on that.

Yes , I al I I hope my personal coach will uh  have a lo uh look at it.


Yes , I al I I hope my personal coach will uh  have a lo uh look at it.


Yes , I al I I hope my personal coach will uh  have a lo uh look at it.

Okay , great. Um  well , I think we're qui quite done.


Okay , great. Um  well , I think we're qui quite done.

Um for now we will have the lunch break.


Um for now we will have the lunch break.

Um I'm  don't know how long the break will be , but we'll find out.


Um I'm  don't know how long the break will be , but we'll find out.

Um then we will have thirty minutes of time to perform our individual work , uh and I'm sure your personal coaches will uh assist you with it. Um I will put the minutes I just made in the project documents folder. If you want to look at it um well , just do. Um  the Interface Designer , um I would like to  the next meeting I would like to receive the uh components concept.


Um then we will have thirty minutes of time to perform our individual work , uh and I'm sure your personal coaches will uh assist you with it. Um I will put the minutes I just made in the project documents folder. If you want to look at it um well , just do. Um  the Interface Designer , um I would like to  the next meeting I would like to receive the uh components concept.


User Interface Designer , uh Roo , I would like to see the user interface c uh concept.


User Interface Designer , uh Roo , I would like to see the user interface c uh concept.

Uh the only problem is it  that it depends on the divisions  the decis uh decisions Sebastian makes. About the voice recognition.


Uh the only problem is it  that it depends on the divisions  the decis uh decisions Sebastian makes. About the voice recognition.


that's w w what we concluded. It should be an easy interface with not so much buttons. S just a a p a p a volume and a programme one. And um  um yeah , some some fancy lights.


yeah , it's  of course it's user interface , but um i I was talking about really the design of the


yeah , it's  of course it's user interface , but um i I was talking about really the design of the

Okay. Well um do we really have to decide now


Okay. Well um do we really have to decide now


Okay. Because I'll have some updated info on that uh


Okay. Because I'll have some updated info on that uh

Yeah. I guess all of you have i updated info. I'm sure the marketing expert will receive uh t uh you will do some trend watching.


Okay. Because I'll have some updated info on that uh

Yeah. I guess all of you have i updated info. I'm sure the marketing expert will receive uh t uh you will do some trend watching.

And I'm sure the market will um uh   uh will change , adapt


Yeah. I guess all of you have i updated info. I'm sure the marketing expert will receive uh t uh you will do some trend watching.

And I'm sure the market will um uh   uh will change , adapt


And I'm sure the market will um uh   uh will change , adapt


we will see that. Um yeah , that's it for now.


Um , so. If we can't , we can't. But uh we 're gonna try to make this an abbreviated meeting cuz the  the next  next occupants were pushing for it , so. Um. So. Agenda is  according to this , is transcription status , DARPA demos XML tools , disks , backups , et cetera and

Does anyone have anything to  add to the agenda ?


Um , so. If we can't , we can't. But uh we 're gonna try to make this an abbreviated meeting cuz the  the next  next occupants were pushing for it , so. Um. So. Agenda is  according to this , is transcription status , DARPA demos XML tools , disks , backups , et cetera and

Does anyone have anything to  add to the agenda ?

OK. Should we just go in order ? Transcription status ? Who 's  that 's probably you.


Um , so. If we can't , we can't. But uh we 're gonna try to make this an abbreviated meeting cuz the  the next  next occupants were pushing for it , so. Um. So. Agenda is  according to this , is transcription status , DARPA demos XML tools , disks , backups , et cetera and

Does anyone have anything to  add to the agenda ?

OK. Should we just go in order ? Transcription status ? Who 's  that 's probably you.

I can do that quickly. Um I hired several more transcribers , They 're making great progress.


Does anyone have anything to  add to the agenda ?

OK. Should we just go in order ? Transcription status ? Who 's  that 's probably you.

I can do that quickly. Um I hired several more transcribers , They 're making great progress.


OK. Should we just go in order ? Transcription status ? Who 's  that 's probably you.

I can do that quickly. Um I hired several more transcribers , They 're making great progress.


I can do that quickly. Um I hired several more transcribers , They 're making great progress.


And uh  and uh , uh I 've been uh finishing up the uh double checking. I hoped to have had that done by today but it 's gonna take one more week.


And uh  and uh , uh I 've been uh finishing up the uh double checking. I hoped to have had that done by today but it 's gonna take one more week.

as a somewhat segue into the next topic , um could I get a hold of uh the data even if it 's not really corrected yet just so I can get the data formats and make sure the information retrieval stuff is working ?


as a somewhat segue into the next topic , um could I get a hold of uh the data even if it 's not really corrected yet just so I can get the data formats and make sure the information retrieval stuff is working ?

Certainly. Yeah I mean , it 's in the same place it 's been.


Certainly. Yeah I mean , it 's in the same place it 's been.

OK. Just  So , " transcripts " is the sub - directory ?


OK. Just  So , " transcripts " is the sub - directory ?


OK. Just  So , " transcripts " is the sub - directory ?

OK. So I 'll  I 'll probably just make some copies of those rather than use the ones that are there.


OK. So I 'll  I 'll probably just make some copies of those rather than use the ones that are there.

Um and then just  we 'll have to remember to delete them once the corrections are made.


Um and then just  we 'll have to remember to delete them once the corrections are made.


Um and then just  we 'll have to remember to delete them once the corrections are made.

I also got anot a short remark to the transcription. I 've uh just processed the first five EDU meetings and they are chunked up so they would  they probably can be sent to IBM whenever they want them.


I also got anot a short remark to the transcription. I 've uh just processed the first five EDU meetings and they are chunked up so they would  they probably can be sent to IBM whenever they want them.


That 's the one that  we 're waiting to hear from them on.


Yeah. And so as soon as we hear from Brian that this one is OK


Yeah. And so as soon as we hear from Brian that this one is OK

and we get the transcript back and we find out that hopefully there are no problems matching up the transcript with what we gave them , then uh we 'll be ready to go and we 'll just send them the next four as a big batch ,


and we get the transcript back and we find out that hopefully there are no problems matching up the transcript with what we gave them , then uh we 'll be ready to go and we 'll just send them the next four as a big batch ,


and we get the transcript back and we find out that hopefully there are no problems matching up the transcript with what we gave them , then uh we 'll be ready to go and we 'll just send them the next four as a big batch ,

And so we 're doing those as disjoint from the ones we 're transcribing here ?


And so we 're doing those as disjoint from the ones we 're transcribing here ?


And so we 're doing those as disjoint from the ones we 're transcribing here ?

We 're sort of doing things in parallel , that way we can get as much done a at once.


We 're sort of doing things in parallel , that way we can get as much done a at once.

Yeah , I think that 's the right way to do it ,


We 're sort of doing things in parallel , that way we can get as much done a at once.

Yeah , I think that 's the right way to do it ,

especially for the information retrieval stuff. Anything else on transcription status ?


Yeah , I think that 's the right way to do it ,

especially for the information retrieval stuff. Anything else on transcription status ?


especially for the information retrieval stuff. Anything else on transcription status ?


especially for the information retrieval stuff. Anything else on transcription status ?

DARPA demos , we had the submeeting the other day.


DARPA demos , we had the submeeting the other day.

Right , which uh  So I 've been working on using the THISL tools to do information retrieval on meeting data and the THISL tools are  there 're two sets , there 's a back - end and a front - end , so the front - end is the user interface and the back - end is the indexing tool and the querying tool. And so I 've written some tools to convert everything into the right for file formats. And the command line version of the indexing and the querying is now working. So at least on the one meeting that I had the transcript for uh conveniently you can now do information retrieval on it , do  type in a  a string and get back a list of start - end times for the meeting ,


DARPA demos , we had the submeeting the other day.

Right , which uh  So I 've been working on using the THISL tools to do information retrieval on meeting data and the THISL tools are  there 're two sets , there 's a back - end and a front - end , so the front - end is the user interface and the back - end is the indexing tool and the querying tool. And so I 've written some tools to convert everything into the right for file formats. And the command line version of the indexing and the querying is now working. So at least on the one meeting that I had the transcript for uh conveniently you can now do information retrieval on it , do  type in a  a string and get back a list of start - end times for the meeting ,

What  what kind of uh  what does that look like ? The string that you type in.


Right , which uh  So I 've been working on using the THISL tools to do information retrieval on meeting data and the THISL tools are  there 're two sets , there 's a back - end and a front - end , so the front - end is the user interface and the back - end is the indexing tool and the querying tool. And so I 've written some tools to convert everything into the right for file formats. And the command line version of the indexing and the querying is now working. So at least on the one meeting that I had the transcript for uh conveniently you can now do information retrieval on it , do  type in a  a string and get back a list of start - end times for the meeting ,

What  what kind of uh  what does that look like ? The string that you type in.

What are you  are you  are they keywords , or are they  ?


What  what kind of uh  what does that look like ? The string that you type in.

What are you  are you  are they keywords , or are they  ?


What are you  are you  are they keywords , or are they  ?


What are you  are you  are they keywords , or are they  ?

Right ? And so  and then it munges it to pass it to the THISL IR which uses an SGML - like format for everything.


Right ? And so  and then it munges it to pass it to the THISL IR which uses an SGML - like format for everything.


Right ? And so  and then it munges it to pass it to the THISL IR which uses an SGML - like format for everything.

And then does it play something back or that 's something you 're having to program ?


Right ? And so  and then it munges it to pass it to the THISL IR which uses an SGML - like format for everything.

And then does it play something back or that 's something you 're having to program ?

Um , right now , I have a tool that will do that on a command line using our standard tools ,


And then does it play something back or that 's something you 're having to program ?

Um , right now , I have a tool that will do that on a command line using our standard tools ,


And then does it play something back or that 's something you 're having to program ?

Um , right now , I have a tool that will do that on a command line using our standard tools ,

but my intention is to do a prettier user interface based either  So  so that 's the other thing I wanted to discuss , is well what should we do for the user interface ? We have two tools that have already been written. Um the SoftSound guys did a web - based one ,


Um , right now , I have a tool that will do that on a command line using our standard tools ,

but my intention is to do a prettier user interface based either  So  so that 's the other thing I wanted to discuss , is well what should we do for the user interface ? We have two tools that have already been written. Um the SoftSound guys did a web - based one ,


but my intention is to do a prettier user interface based either  So  so that 's the other thing I wanted to discuss , is well what should we do for the user interface ? We have two tools that have already been written. Um the SoftSound guys did a web - based one ,

um , which I haven't used , haven't looked at. Dan says it 's pretty good


um , which I haven't used , haven't looked at. Dan says it 's pretty good

but it does mean you need to be running a web server.


but it does mean you need to be running a web server.

And so it  it 's pretty big and complex. Uh and it would be difficult to port to Windows because it means porting the web server to Windows.


And so it  it 's pretty big and complex. Uh and it would be difficult to port to Windows because it means porting the web server to Windows.

Uh the other option is Dan did the Tcl - TK THISL GUI front - end for Broadcast News


Uh the other option is Dan did the Tcl - TK THISL GUI front - end for Broadcast News

which I think looks great. I think that 's a nice demo. Um and that would be much easier to port to Windows. And so I think that 's the way we should go.


Uh the other option is Dan did the Tcl - TK THISL GUI front - end for Broadcast News

which I think looks great. I think that 's a nice demo. Um and that would be much easier to port to Windows. And so I think that 's the way we should go.

I  Can I ask a question ? So um as it stands within the  the Channeltrans interface , it 's possible to do a find and a play.


which I think looks great. I think that 's a nice demo. Um and that would be much easier to port to Windows. And so I think that 's the way we should go.

I  Can I ask a question ? So um as it stands within the  the Channeltrans interface , it 's possible to do a find and a play.


which I think looks great. I think that 's a nice demo. Um and that would be much easier to port to Windows. And so I think that 's the way we should go.

I  Can I ask a question ? So um as it stands within the  the Channeltrans interface , it 's possible to do a find and a play.

You can find a searched string and play. So e Are you  So you 're adding like um , I don't know , uh are they fuzzy matches or are they  uh  ?


I  Can I ask a question ? So um as it stands within the  the Channeltrans interface , it 's possible to do a find and a play.

You can find a searched string and play. So e Are you  So you 're adding like um , I don't know , uh are they fuzzy matches or are they  uh  ?

It 's a sort of standard , text - retrieval - based  So it 's uh term frequency , inverse document frequency scoring.


You can find a searched string and play. So e Are you  So you 're adding like um , I don't know , uh are they fuzzy matches or are they  uh  ?

It 's a sort of standard , text - retrieval - based  So it 's uh term frequency , inverse document frequency scoring.


You can find a searched string and play. So e Are you  So you 're adding like um , I don't know , uh are they fuzzy matches or are they  uh  ?

It 's a sort of standard , text - retrieval - based  So it 's uh term frequency , inverse document frequency scoring.

Um and then there are all sorts of metrics for spacing how far apart they have to be and things like that. So it  it 's


It 's a sort of standard , text - retrieval - based  So it 's uh term frequency , inverse document frequency scoring.

Um and then there are all sorts of metrics for spacing how far apart they have to be and things like that. So it  it 's

It 's a lot more sophisticated than the uh the basically Windows - based


Um and then there are all sorts of metrics for spacing how far apart they have to be and things like that. So it  it 's

It 's a lot more sophisticated than the uh the basically Windows - based

i it 's like doing a Google query or anyth anything else like that.


It 's a lot more sophisticated than the uh the basically Windows - based

i it 's like doing a Google query or anyth anything else like that.

So i it uses  So it pr produces an index ahead of time so you don't  you 're not doing a linear search through all the documents. Cuz you can imagine if  with  if we have the sixty hours ' worth you do  wouldn't wanna do a search.


i it 's like doing a Google query or anyth anything else like that.

So i it uses  So it pr produces an index ahead of time so you don't  you 're not doing a linear search through all the documents. Cuz you can imagine if  with  if we have the sixty hours ' worth you do  wouldn't wanna do a search.


So i it uses  So it pr produces an index ahead of time so you don't  you 're not doing a linear search through all the documents. Cuz you can imagine if  with  if we have the sixty hours ' worth you do  wouldn't wanna do a search.

Um you have to do preindexing and so that  these tools do all that. And so the work to get the front - end to work would be porting it  well  uh to get it to work on the UNIX systems , our side is just rewriting them and modifying them to work for meetings.


Um you have to do preindexing and so that  these tools do all that. And so the work to get the front - end to work would be porting it  well  uh to get it to work on the UNIX systems , our side is just rewriting them and modifying them to work for meetings.

So that it understands that they 're different speakers and that it 's one big audio file instead of a bunch of little ones and just sorta things like that.


So that it understands that they 're different speakers and that it 's one big audio file instead of a bunch of little ones and just sorta things like that.


So that it understands that they 're different speakers and that it 's one big audio file instead of a bunch of little ones and just sorta things like that.

So what does the user see as the result of the query ?


So what does the user see as the result of the query ?


So what does the user see as the result of the query ?

The THISL GUI tool which is the one that Dan wrote , Tcl - TK


The THISL GUI tool which is the one that Dan wrote , Tcl - TK


The THISL GUI tool which is the one that Dan wrote , Tcl - TK

um you type in a query and then you get back a list of hits and you can type on them and listen to them. Click on them rather  with a mouse.


um you type in a query and then you get back a list of hits and you can type on them and listen to them. Click on them rather  with a mouse.


um you type in a query and then you get back a list of hits and you can type on them and listen to them. Click on them rather  with a mouse.

So if you typed in " small heads " or something you could


So if you typed in " small heads " or something you could


So if you typed in " small heads " or something you could

get back a uh uh  something that would let you click and listen to some audio where that phrase had occurred


So if you typed in " small heads " or something you could

get back a uh uh  something that would let you click and listen to some audio where that phrase had occurred

something  You  you 'd get to listen to " beep ".


get back a uh uh  something that would let you click and listen to some audio where that phrase had occurred

something  You  you 'd get to listen to " beep ".


get back a uh uh  something that would let you click and listen to some audio where that phrase had occurred

something  You  you 'd get to listen to " beep ".

That was a really good look. It 's too bad that that couldn't  come into the


something  You  you 'd get to listen to " beep ".

That was a really good look. It 's too bad that that couldn't  come into the


That was a really good look. It 's too bad that that couldn't  come into the


That was a really good look. It 's too bad that that couldn't  come into the

At some point we 're gonna have to say what that private joke is , that keeps coming up.


At some point we 're gonna have to say what that private joke is , that keeps coming up.

Yeah. And then again , maybe not. So ,  uh  Yeah , that soun that sounds reasonable. Yeah , it loo it  my  my recollection of it is it 's  it 's a pretty reasonable uh demo sort of format.


Yeah. And then again , maybe not. So ,  uh  Yeah , that soun that sounds reasonable. Yeah , it loo it  my  my recollection of it is it 's  it 's a pretty reasonable uh demo sort of format.

And so I think there 'd be minimal effort to get it to work , minimally


And so I think there 'd be minimal effort to get it to work , minimally


And so I think there 'd be minimal effort to get it to work , minimally

and then we 'd wanna add things like query by speaker and by meeting and all that sort of stuff. Um Dave Gelbart expressed some interest in working on that so I 'll work with him on it. And it  it 's looking pretty good , you know , the fact that I got the query system working. So if we wanna just do a video - based one I think that 'll be easy.


and then we 'd wanna add things like query by speaker and by meeting and all that sort of stuff. Um Dave Gelbart expressed some interest in working on that so I 'll work with him on it. And it  it 's looking pretty good , you know , the fact that I got the query system working. So if we wanna just do a video - based one I think that 'll be easy.

If we wanna get it to Windows it 's gonna be a little more work because the THISL IR , the information retrieval tool 's  um , I had difficulty just compiling them on Solaris.


If we wanna get it to Windows it 's gonna be a little more work because the THISL IR , the information retrieval tool 's  um , I had difficulty just compiling them on Solaris.

So getting them to compile on Windows might be challenging.


So getting them to compile on Windows might be challenging.

But you were saying that  that the uh  that there 's that set of tools , uh , Cygnus tools , that


But you were saying that  that the uh  that there 's that set of tools , uh , Cygnus tools , that


But you were saying that  that the uh  that there 's that set of tools , uh , Cygnus tools , that

Um , I mean without those I wouldn't even attempt it.


Um , I mean without those I wouldn't even attempt it.


Um , I mean without those I wouldn't even attempt it.

But what those  they  what those do is provide sort of a BSD compatibility layer ,


But what those  they  what those do is provide sort of a BSD compatibility layer ,


But what those  they  what those do is provide sort of a BSD compatibility layer ,

so that the normal UNIX function calls all work.


so that the normal UNIX function calls all work.


so that the normal UNIX function calls all work.

Um , But the problem is that  that the THISL tools didn't use anything like Autoconf and so you have the normal porting problems of different header files and th some things are defined and some things aren't and uh different compiler work - arounds and so on. So the fact that um it took me a day to get it c to compile under Solaris means it 's probably gonna take me s significantly more than that to get it to compile under Windows.


Um , But the problem is that  that the THISL tools didn't use anything like Autoconf and so you have the normal porting problems of different header files and th some things are defined and some things aren't and uh different compiler work - arounds and so on. So the fact that um it took me a day to get it c to compile under Solaris means it 's probably gonna take me s significantly more than that to get it to compile under Windows.

How about having it run under free BSD ?


How about having it run under free BSD ?

All you need to do is say to Dan " gee it would be nice if this worked under Autoconf " and it 'll be done in a day.


All you need to do is say to Dan " gee it would be nice if this worked under Autoconf " and it 'll be done in a day.


Actually you know I should check because he did port it to SPRACHcore


But it would  what would serve  would serve both purposes , is if you contact him and ask him if he 's already done it.


If he has then you learn , if he hasn't then he 'll do it.


If he has then you learn , if he hasn't then he 'll do it.

I hope he never listens to these meetings.


I hope he never listens to these meetings.

That 's right. So , and I 've been corresponding with Dan and also with uh uh , SoftSound guy , uh


That 's right. So , and I 've been corresponding with Dan and also with uh uh , SoftSound guy , uh


I don't remember who I 've been corresponding with.


I don't remember who I 've been corresponding with.

Steve wro i it 's Ste - Steve Renals wrote THISL IR.


Steve wro i it 's Ste - Steve Renals wrote THISL IR.


So uh just getting documentation and uh and f and formats ,


What about issues of playing sound files @ @ between the two platforms ?


What about issues of playing sound files @ @ between the two platforms ?

I think we 'll be OK with that. Um we have  Well , that 's a good point too.


What about issues of playing sound files @ @ between the two platforms ?

I think we 'll be OK with that. Um we have  Well , that 's a good point too.

Here 's a  here 's a crazy idea  actually.


I think we 'll be OK with that. Um we have  Well , that 's a good point too.

Here 's a  here 's a crazy idea  actually.

Why don't you try and merge  Transcriber  and THISL IR ? They 're both Tcl interfaces.


Here 's a  here 's a crazy idea  actually.

Why don't you try and merge  Transcriber  and THISL IR ? They 're both Tcl interfaces.

Well this is one of the reasons  This is the  one of the reasons that I 'm gonna have uh Dave Gelbart  Gelbart  Having him volunteer to work on it is a really good thing because he 's worked on the Transcriber stuff


Why don't you try and merge  Transcriber  and THISL IR ? They 're both Tcl interfaces.

Well this is one of the reasons  This is the  one of the reasons that I 'm gonna have uh Dave Gelbart  Gelbart  Having him volunteer to work on it is a really good thing because he 's worked on the Transcriber stuff


Why don't you try and merge  Transcriber  and THISL IR ? They 're both Tcl interfaces.

Well this is one of the reasons  This is the  one of the reasons that I 'm gonna have uh Dave Gelbart  Gelbart  Having him volunteer to work on it is a really good thing because he 's worked on the Transcriber stuff

and he 's more familiar with Tcl - TK than I am.


Well this is one of the reasons  This is the  one of the reasons that I 'm gonna have uh Dave Gelbart  Gelbart  Having him volunteer to work on it is a really good thing because he 's worked on the Transcriber stuff

and he 's more familiar with Tcl - TK than I am.

And then you get  they  then you get the Windows media playing for free.


and he 's more familiar with Tcl - TK than I am.

And then you get  they  then you get the Windows media playing for free.

Well that 's Snack , not  not Transcriber.


and he 's more familiar with Tcl - TK than I am.

And then you get  they  then you get the Windows media playing for free.

Well that 's Snack , not  not Transcriber.

Right. But the point is that the Transcriber uses Snack and then you can  but you can use a  a lot of the same functionality and it 's


And then you get  they  then you get the Windows media playing for free.

Well that 's Snack , not  not Transcriber.

Right. But the point is that the Transcriber uses Snack and then you can  but you can use a  a lot of the same functionality and it 's

Yeah , yeah , I mean , I  I think THISL  THISL GUI probably uses Snack. And so my intention was just to base it on that.


Well that 's Snack , not  not Transcriber.

Right. But the point is that the Transcriber uses Snack and then you can  but you can use a  a lot of the same functionality and it 's

Yeah , yeah , I mean , I  I think THISL  THISL GUI probably uses Snack. And so my intention was just to base it on that.

Yeah. Well my thought was is that it would be nice  it would be nice to have the running transcripts um eh you know , from speaker to speaker.


Right. But the point is that the Transcriber uses Snack and then you can  but you can use a  a lot of the same functionality and it 's

Yeah , yeah , I mean , I  I think THISL  THISL GUI probably uses Snack. And so my intention was just to base it on that.

Yeah. Well my thought was is that it would be nice  it would be nice to have the running transcripts um eh you know , from speaker to speaker.


Yeah , yeah , I mean , I  I think THISL  THISL GUI probably uses Snack. And so my intention was just to base it on that.

Yeah. Well my thought was is that it would be nice  it would be nice to have the running transcripts um eh you know , from speaker to speaker.

Right ? Do you have  you have , you know , a speaker mark here and a speaker mark here ?


Yeah. Well my thought was is that it would be nice  it would be nice to have the running transcripts um eh you know , from speaker to speaker.

Right ? Do you have  you have , you know , a speaker mark here and a speaker mark here ?

Right , we 'll have to figure out a user interface for that , so.


Right ? Do you have  you have , you know , a speaker mark here and a speaker mark here ?

Right , we 'll have to figure out a user interface for that , so.

Right. Well that  eh my thought was if you had like Multitrans or whatever do it. Or whatever.


Right ? Do you have  you have , you know , a speaker mark here and a speaker mark here ?

Right , we 'll have to figure out a user interface for that , so.

Right. Well that  eh my thought was if you had like Multitrans or whatever do it. Or whatever.

Yeah. It might be fairly difficult to get that to work in  the little short segments we 'd be talking about and having the search tools and so on. We  we can look into it ,


Right , we 'll have to figure out a user interface for that , so.

Right. Well that  eh my thought was if you had like Multitrans or whatever do it. Or whatever.

Yeah. It might be fairly difficult to get that to work in  the little short segments we 'd be talking about and having the search tools and so on. We  we can look into it ,


Right. Well that  eh my thought was if you had like Multitrans or whatever do it. Or whatever.

Yeah. It might be fairly difficult to get that to work in  the little short segments we 'd be talking about and having the search tools and so on. We  we can look into it ,


Yeah. It might be fairly difficult to get that to work in  the little short segments we 'd be talking about and having the search tools and so on. We  we can look into it ,

The thing I was asking about with , um , free BSD is that it might be easier to get PowerPoint shows running in free BSD than to get this other package running in


The thing I was asking about with , um , free BSD is that it might be easier to get PowerPoint shows running in free BSD than to get this other package running in

Yeah , I mean we have to  I have to sit down and try it before I make too many judgments ,


The thing I was asking about with , um , free BSD is that it might be easier to get PowerPoint shows running in free BSD than to get this other package running in

Yeah , I mean we have to  I have to sit down and try it before I make too many judgments ,

so uh Um My experience with the Gnu compatibility library is really it 's just as hard and just as easy to port to any system. Right ? The Windows system isn't any harder because it  it looks like a BSD system.


Yeah , I mean we have to  I have to sit down and try it before I make too many judgments ,

so uh Um My experience with the Gnu compatibility library is really it 's just as hard and just as easy to port to any system. Right ? The Windows system isn't any harder because it  it looks like a BSD system.


so uh Um My experience with the Gnu compatibility library is really it 's just as hard and just as easy to port to any system. Right ? The Windows system isn't any harder because it  it looks like a BSD system.

It 's just , you know , just like all of them , the " include " files are a little different and the function calls are a little different.


It 's just , you know , just like all of them , the " include " files are a little different and the function calls are a little different.

So I  it might be a little easier but it 's not gonna be a lot easier.


It 's just , you know , just like all of them , the " include " files are a little different and the function calls are a little different.

So I  it might be a little easier but it 's not gonna be a lot easier.

OK. So there was that demo , which was one of the main ones , then we talked about um some other stuff which would basically be um showing off the  the Transcriber interface itself and as you say , maybe we could even merge those in some sense , but  but um , uh  and part of that was showing off what the speech - non uh nonspeech  stuff that Thilo has done  s  looks like.


So I  it might be a little easier but it 's not gonna be a lot easier.

OK. So there was that demo , which was one of the main ones , then we talked about um some other stuff which would basically be um showing off the  the Transcriber interface itself and as you say , maybe we could even merge those in some sense , but  but um , uh  and part of that was showing off what the speech - non uh nonspeech  stuff that Thilo has done  s  looks like.


So I  it might be a little easier but it 's not gonna be a lot easier.

OK. So there was that demo , which was one of the main ones , then we talked about um some other stuff which would basically be um showing off the  the Transcriber interface itself and as you say , maybe we could even merge those in some sense , but  but um , uh  and part of that was showing off what the speech - non uh nonspeech  stuff that Thilo has done  s  looks like.

Can I ask one more thing about THISL ? So with the IR stuff then you end up with a somewhat prioritized um  ?


OK. So there was that demo , which was one of the main ones , then we talked about um some other stuff which would basically be um showing off the  the Transcriber interface itself and as you say , maybe we could even merge those in some sense , but  but um , uh  and part of that was showing off what the speech - non uh nonspeech  stuff that Thilo has done  s  looks like.

Can I ask one more thing about THISL ? So with the IR stuff then you end up with a somewhat prioritized um  ?


Can I ask one more thing about THISL ? So with the IR stuff then you end up with a somewhat prioritized um  ?


So another idea I w t had just now actually for the demo was whether it might be of interest to sh to show some of the prosody uh  work that Don 's been doing.


So another idea I w t had just now actually for the demo was whether it might be of interest to sh to show some of the prosody uh  work that Don 's been doing.

Um actually show some of the features and then show for instance a task like finding sentence boundaries or finding turn boundaries. Um , you know , you can show that graphically , sort of what the features are doing. It , you know , it doesn't work great but it 's definitely giving us something.


So another idea I w t had just now actually for the demo was whether it might be of interest to sh to show some of the prosody uh  work that Don 's been doing.

Um actually show some of the features and then show for instance a task like finding sentence boundaries or finding turn boundaries. Um , you know , you can show that graphically , sort of what the features are doing. It , you know , it doesn't work great but it 's definitely giving us something.

Well I think at  at the very least we 're gonna want something illustrative with that


Um actually show some of the features and then show for instance a task like finding sentence boundaries or finding turn boundaries. Um , you know , you can show that graphically , sort of what the features are doing. It , you know , it doesn't work great but it 's definitely giving us something.

Well I think at  at the very least we 're gonna want something illustrative with that

I don't know if that would be of interest or not.


Um actually show some of the features and then show for instance a task like finding sentence boundaries or finding turn boundaries. Um , you know , you can show that graphically , sort of what the features are doing. It , you know , it doesn't work great but it 's definitely giving us something.

Well I think at  at the very least we 're gonna want something illustrative with that

I don't know if that would be of interest or not.

cuz I 'm gonna want to talk about it and so i if there 's something that shows it graphically it 's much better than me just having a bullet point


Well I think at  at the very least we 're gonna want something illustrative with that

I don't know if that would be of interest or not.

cuz I 'm gonna want to talk about it and so i if there 's something that shows it graphically it 's much better than me just having a bullet point


I don't know if that would be of interest or not.

cuz I 'm gonna want to talk about it and so i if there 's something that shows it graphically it 's much better than me just having a bullet point

pointing at something I don't know much about ,


cuz I 'm gonna want to talk about it and so i if there 's something that shows it graphically it 's much better than me just having a bullet point

pointing at something I don't know much about ,


pointing at something I don't know much about ,


Um yeah I 'm starting to and um  Yeah we can probably find some examples of different type of prosodic events going on.


Um yeah I 'm starting to and um  Yeah we can probably find some examples of different type of prosodic events going on.

S so when we here were having this demo meeting , what we 're sort of coming up with is that we wanna have all these pieces together , to first order , by the end of the month


S so when we here were having this demo meeting , what we 're sort of coming up with is that we wanna have all these pieces together , to first order , by the end of the month


S so when we here were having this demo meeting , what we 're sort of coming up with is that we wanna have all these pieces together , to first order , by the end of the month

Oh , the end of this month or next month ? Oh , you mean like today ?


Oh , the end of this month or next month ? Oh , you mean like today ?


Uh  that 'll  that 'll give us  that 'll give us a week or so to uh  to port things over to my laptop and make sure that works ,


Yeah if d if Don can sort of talk to whoever 's


Yeah if d if Don can sort of talk to whoever 's

cuz we 're doing this anyway as part of our  you know , the research , visualizing what these features are doing


cuz we 're doing this anyway as part of our  you know , the research , visualizing what these features are doing

and so either  it might not be integrated but it  it could potentially be in it.


cuz we 're doing this anyway as part of our  you know , the research , visualizing what these features are doing

and so either  it might not be integrated but it  it could potentially be in it.

Yeah. Well , this is to an audience of researchers


and so either  it might not be integrated but it  it could potentially be in it.

Yeah. Well , this is to an audience of researchers


and so either  it might not be integrated but it  it could potentially be in it.

Yeah. Well , this is to an audience of researchers

so I mean , you know , to let s the goal is to let them know what it is we 're doing.


Yeah. Well , this is to an audience of researchers

so I mean , you know , to let s the goal is to let them know what it is we 're doing.


so I mean , you know , to let s the goal is to let them know what it is we 're doing.


so I mean , you know , to let s the goal is to let them know what it is we 're doing.

I don't think anyone has done this on meeting data so it might be neat , you know.


I don't think anyone has done this on meeting data so it might be neat , you know.


I don't think anyone has done this on meeting data so it might be neat , you know.

Um. So I 've been doing a bunch of XML tools where you  we 're sort of moving to XML as the general format for everything and I think that 's definitely the right way to go because there are a lot of tools that let you do extraction and reformatting of XML tools. Um. So yet again we should probably meet to talk about transcription formats in XML because I 'm not particularly happy with what we have now. I mean it works with Transcriber but it  it 's a pain to use it in other tools uh because it doesn't mark start and end.


Um. So I 've been doing a bunch of XML tools where you  we 're sort of moving to XML as the general format for everything and I think that 's definitely the right way to go because there are a lot of tools that let you do extraction and reformatting of XML tools. Um. So yet again we should probably meet to talk about transcription formats in XML because I 'm not particularly happy with what we have now. I mean it works with Transcriber but it  it 's a pain to use it in other tools uh because it doesn't mark start and end.


but you have to do a lot of processing to get it.


but you have to do a lot of processing to get it.

And so  and also I 'd like to do the indirect time line business. Um but regardless , I mean , w that 's something that you , me , and Jane can talk about later. Um , but I 've installed XML tools of various sorts in various languages and so if people are interested in doing  extracting any information from any of these files , either uh information on users because the user database is that way  I 'm converting the Key files to XML so that you can extract m uh various inf uh sorted information on individual meetings


And so  and also I 'd like to do the indirect time line business. Um but regardless , I mean , w that 's something that you , me , and Jane can talk about later. Um , but I 've installed XML tools of various sorts in various languages and so if people are interested in doing  extracting any information from any of these files , either uh information on users because the user database is that way  I 'm converting the Key files to XML so that you can extract m uh various inf uh sorted information on individual meetings


And so  and also I 'd like to do the indirect time line business. Um but regardless , I mean , w that 's something that you , me , and Jane can talk about later. Um , but I 've installed XML tools of various sorts in various languages and so if people are interested in doing  extracting any information from any of these files , either uh information on users because the user database is that way  I 'm converting the Key files to XML so that you can extract m uh various inf uh sorted information on individual meetings

and then also the transcripts. And so l just let me know there  it 's mostly Java and Perl but we can get other languages too if  if that 's desirable.


and then also the transcripts. And so l just let me know there  it 's mostly Java and Perl but we can get other languages too if  if that 's desirable.

Oh , quick question on that. Is  do we have the   the seat information ? In  in the Key files now ?


and then also the transcripts. And so l just let me know there  it 's mostly Java and Perl but we can get other languages too if  if that 's desirable.

Oh , quick question on that. Is  do we have the   the seat information ? In  in the Key files now ?

The seat information is on the Key files for the ones which


Oh , quick question on that. Is  do we have the   the seat information ? In  in the Key files now ?

The seat information is on the Key files for the ones which


The seat information is on the Key files for the ones which


Oh ! Not  not the quality or anything. No.


That 's more seat information than we wanted.


That 's more seat information than we wanted.

I 'm just trying to figure out , you know , when Morgan 's voice appears on someone 's microphone are they next to him or are they across from him ?


I 'm just trying to figure out , you know , when Morgan 's voice appears on someone 's microphone are they next to him or are they across from him ?


how  how w eh where is it in the Key file ?


how  how w eh where is it in the Key file ?

Cuz I mean I haven't been putting it in and  in by


Cuz I mean I haven't been putting it in and  in by


Yeah so we can go back and fill them in for the ones we have.


Yeah so we can go back and fill them in for the ones we have.

I mean they 're on th right , these , but I just hadn't ever been putting it in the Key files.


I mean they 're on th right , these , but I just hadn't ever been putting it in the Key files.


I mean they 're on th right , these , but I just hadn't ever been putting it in the Key files.

I never knew we were supposed to put it in the Key file.


I never knew we were supposed to put it in the Key file.


I mean this is why I wanna use a g a tool to do it rather than the plain text


I mean this is why I wanna use a g a tool to do it rather than the plain text

because with the plain text it 's very easy to skip those things.


because with the plain text it 's very easy to skip those things.


because with the plain text it 's very easy to skip those things.

So. Um if you use the Edit - key , or Key - edit


So. Um if you use the Edit - key , or Key - edit

I think it 's Edit - key ,  command  Did I show you guys that ?


I think it 's Edit - key ,  command  Did I show you guys that ?


but I think you both said " no , you 'll just use text file ".


but I think you both said " no , you 'll just use text file ".

Um it has it in there , a place to fill it in.


Um it has it in there , a place to fill it in.


Um it has it in there , a place to fill it in.

Yeah , and so if you don't fill it in , you 're not gonna get it in the meetings.


Yeah , and so if you don't fill it in , you 're not gonna get it in the meetings.

So if  Right. Well I  I just realized I hadn't been doing it


So if  Right. Well I  I just realized I hadn't been doing it


Yeah and then the other thing also that Thilo noticed is , on the microphone , on channel zero it says hand - held mike or Crown mike ,


And I was  I was looking at Chuck 's , like , " oh what did Chuck do , OK I 'll do that ". So.


And I was  I was looking at Chuck 's , like , " oh what did Chuck do , OK I 'll do that ". So.

And then uh also in a couple of places instead of filling the participants under " participants " they were filled in under " description ".


And then uh also in a couple of places instead of filling the participants under " participants " they were filled in under " description ".

And so that 's also a problem. So anyway.


And so that 's also a problem. So anyway.


And so that 's also a problem. So anyway.

That 's it. Oh uh also I 'm working on another version of this tool , the  the one that shows up here ,  that will flash yellow if the mike isn't connected. And it 's not quite ready to go yet because um it 's hard to tell whether the mike 's connected or not because the best quality ones , the Crown ones ,  are about the same level if they 're off and no one 's o off or if they 're on and no one 's talking.


That 's it. Oh uh also I 'm working on another version of this tool , the  the one that shows up here ,  that will flash yellow if the mike isn't connected. And it 's not quite ready to go yet because um it 's hard to tell whether the mike 's connected or not because the best quality ones , the Crown ones ,  are about the same level if they 're off and no one 's o off or if they 're on and no one 's talking.

Um these  these ones , they are much easier , there 's a bigger difference. So I 'm working on that and it  it sorta works and so eventually we will change to that and then you 'll be able to see graphically if your mike is dropping in or out.


That 's it. Oh uh also I 'm working on another version of this tool , the  the one that shows up here ,  that will flash yellow if the mike isn't connected. And it 's not quite ready to go yet because um it 's hard to tell whether the mike 's connected or not because the best quality ones , the Crown ones ,  are about the same level if they 're off and no one 's o off or if they 're on and no one 's talking.

Um these  these ones , they are much easier , there 's a bigger difference. So I 'm working on that and it  it sorta works and so eventually we will change to that and then you 'll be able to see graphically if your mike is dropping in or out.

Will that also include like batteries dying ? Just a any time the mike 's putting out zeros basically.


Um these  these ones , they are much easier , there 's a bigger difference. So I 'm working on that and it  it sorta works and so eventually we will change to that and then you 'll be able to see graphically if your mike is dropping in or out.

Will that also include like batteries dying ? Just a any time the mike 's putting out zeros basically.


Um these  these ones , they are much easier , there 's a bigger difference. So I 'm working on that and it  it sorta works and so eventually we will change to that and then you 'll be able to see graphically if your mike is dropping in or out.

Will that also include like batteries dying ? Just a any time the mike 's putting out zeros basically.

But with the screensaver kicking in , it


Will that also include like batteries dying ? Just a any time the mike 's putting out zeros basically.

But with the screensaver kicking in , it


But with the screensaver kicking in , it


Well I 'll turn off the screensaver too.


Well I 'll turn off the screensaver too.

Um the other thing is as I 've said before , it is actually on the thing. There 's a little level meter but of course no one ever pays attention to it. So I think having it on the screen is more easy to notice.


Well I 'll turn off the screensaver too.

Um the other thing is as I 've said before , it is actually on the thing. There 's a little level meter but of course no one ever pays attention to it. So I think having it on the screen is more easy to notice.

It would be nice if  if these had little light indicators , little L E Ds for


Um the other thing is as I 've said before , it is actually on the thing. There 's a little level meter but of course no one ever pays attention to it. So I think having it on the screen is more easy to notice.

It would be nice if  if these had little light indicators , little L E Ds for


It would be nice if  if these had little light indicators , little L E Ds for


OK , disk backup , et cetera ? Um I spoke with Dave Johnson about putting all the Meeting Recorder stuff on non - backed - up disk to save the overhead of backup and he pretty much said " yeah , you could do that if you want " but he thought it was a bad idea. In fact what he said is doing the manual one ,  doing uh NW archive to copy it  is a good idea and we should do that and have it backed up. He w he 's a firm believer in  in lots of different modalities of backup. I mean , his point was well taken. This data cannot be recovered.


OK , disk backup , et cetera ? Um I spoke with Dave Johnson about putting all the Meeting Recorder stuff on non - backed - up disk to save the overhead of backup and he pretty much said " yeah , you could do that if you want " but he thought it was a bad idea. In fact what he said is doing the manual one ,  doing uh NW archive to copy it  is a good idea and we should do that and have it backed up. He w he 's a firm believer in  in lots of different modalities of backup. I mean , his point was well taken. This data cannot be recovered.

And so if a mistake is made and we lose the backup we should have the archive and if then a mistake is made and we lose the archive we should have the backup.


OK , disk backup , et cetera ? Um I spoke with Dave Johnson about putting all the Meeting Recorder stuff on non - backed - up disk to save the overhead of backup and he pretty much said " yeah , you could do that if you want " but he thought it was a bad idea. In fact what he said is doing the manual one ,  doing uh NW archive to copy it  is a good idea and we should do that and have it backed up. He w he 's a firm believer in  in lots of different modalities of backup. I mean , his point was well taken. This data cannot be recovered.

And so if a mistake is made and we lose the backup we should have the archive and if then a mistake is made and we lose the archive we should have the backup.

Well I guess it is true that even with something that 's backed up it 's not gonna  if it 's stationary it 's not going to go through the increment it 's not gonna burden things in the incremental backups.


And so if a mistake is made and we lose the backup we should have the archive and if then a mistake is made and we lose the archive we should have the backup.

Well I guess it is true that even with something that 's backed up it 's not gonna  if it 's stationary it 's not going to go through the increment it 's not gonna burden things in the incremental backups.


Well I guess it is true that even with something that 's backed up it 's not gonna  if it 's stationary it 's not going to go through the increment it 's not gonna burden things in the incremental backups.

Yeah , so the monthly full will be a bear but


Yeah , so the monthly full will be a bear but

Yeah. But he said that  that we sh shouldn't worry too much about that , that we 're getting a new backup system and we 're far enough away from saturation on full backups that it 's w probably OK.


Yeah , so the monthly full will be a bear but

Yeah. But he said that  that we sh shouldn't worry too much about that , that we 're getting a new backup system and we 're far enough away from saturation on full backups that it 's w probably OK.

And uh , so the only issue here is the timing between getting more disks and uh recording meetings.


Yeah. But he said that  that we sh shouldn't worry too much about that , that we 're getting a new backup system and we 're far enough away from saturation on full backups that it 's w probably OK.

And uh , so the only issue here is the timing between getting more disks and uh recording meetings.

So I guess the idea is that we would be reserving the non - backed - up space for things that took less than twenty - four hours to recreate or something like that , right ?


And uh , so the only issue here is the timing between getting more disks and uh recording meetings.

So I guess the idea is that we would be reserving the non - backed - up space for things that took less than twenty - four hours to recreate or something like that , right ?

Things that are recreatable easily and also  Yeah , basically things that are recreatable.


So I guess the idea is that we would be reserving the non - backed - up space for things that took less than twenty - four hours to recreate or something like that , right ?

Things that are recreatable easily and also  Yeah , basically things that are recreatable.

The expanded files and things like that.


Things that are recreatable easily and also  Yeah , basically things that are recreatable.

The expanded files and things like that.


The expanded files and things like that.


Yeah. And I  I think I agree with him. I mean his point was well taken that if we lose one of these we cannot get it back.


Yeah. And I  I think I agree with him. I mean his point was well taken that if we lose one of these we cannot get it back.

I don't think there was any other et cetera there.


Yeah. And I  I think I agree with him. I mean his point was well taken that if we lose one of these we cannot get it back.

I don't think there was any other et cetera there.

Well I was allowing someone else to come up with something related that they had uh


I don't think there was any other et cetera there.

Well I was allowing someone else to come up with something related that they had uh

I thought you guys were gonna burn C Ds ?


I don't think there was any other et cetera there.

Well I was allowing someone else to come up with something related that they had uh

I thought you guys were gonna burn C Ds ?

Um unfortunately  we could burn C Ds but first of all it 's a pain.


Well I was allowing someone else to come up with something related that they had uh

I thought you guys were gonna burn C Ds ?

Um unfortunately  we could burn C Ds but first of all it 's a pain.


I thought you guys were gonna burn C Ds ?

Um unfortunately  we could burn C Ds but first of all it 's a pain.

Because you have to copy it down to the PC and then burn it and that 's a multi - step procedure. And second of all the  the write - once burners as opposed to a professional press don't last.


Um unfortunately  we could burn C Ds but first of all it 's a pain.

Because you have to copy it down to the PC and then burn it and that 's a multi - step procedure. And second of all the  the write - once burners as opposed to a professional press don't last.


Because you have to copy it down to the PC and then burn it and that 's a multi - step procedure. And second of all the  the write - once burners as opposed to a professional press don't last.

So I think burning them for distribution is fine but burning them for backup is not a good idea.


So I think burning them for distribution is fine but burning them for backup is not a good idea.

Cuz th they  they fail after a couple years.


Cuz th they  they fail after a couple years.

I do have uh uh  It 's a different topic. Can I add one top topic ? We have time ? I wanted to ask , I know that uh that Thilo you were , um , bringing the Channeltrans interface onto the Windows machine ? And I wanted to know is th


I do have uh uh  It 's a different topic. Can I add one top topic ? We have time ? I wanted to ask , I know that uh that Thilo you were , um , bringing the Channeltrans interface onto the Windows machine ? And I wanted to know is th

It 's all done ? That 's g wonderful. Great.


It 's all done ? That 's g wonderful. Great.

Yes , since Tcl - TK runs on it , basically things 'll just work.


It 's all done ? That 's g wonderful. Great.

Yes , since Tcl - TK runs on it , basically things 'll just work.

Yeah it  Yeah , it was just a problem with the Snack version and the Transcriber version but it 's solved.


Yes , since Tcl - TK runs on it , basically things 'll just work.

Yeah it  Yeah , it was just a problem with the Snack version and the Transcriber version but it 's solved.


Yeah it  Yeah , it was just a problem with the Snack version and the Transcriber version but it 's solved.

maybe I should know this but I don't. Does this mean that the  that this could be por uh ported to a Think - Pad note or some other type of uh


maybe I should know this but I don't. Does this mean that the  that this could be por uh ported to a Think - Pad note or some other type of uh

Yeah , basically uh I did install it on my laptop and yeah


Yeah , basically uh I did install it on my laptop and yeah


Uh got an email from uh James Landay who basically said " if you 're not using them , could you return them ? " So he said he doesn't need them , he just periodically w at the end of each term sends out email to everyone who was recorded as having them and asks them if they 're still using them.


My opinion on it is , first , I never take notes anyway so I 'm not gonna use it , um and second , it 's another level of infrastructure that we have to deal with.


My opinion on it is , first , I never take notes anyway so I 'm not gonna use it , um and second , it 's another level of infrastructure that we have to deal with.

And I have  uh so my  my feeling on it is that I think in principle it 's a really nice idea , and you have the time tags which makes it better tha than just taking ra raw notes. On the other hand , I  the down side for me was that I think the pen is really noisy. So you have ka kaplunk , kaplunk , kaplunk. And I  and I don't know if it 's audible on the  but I  I sort of thought that was a disadvantage. I do take notes , I mean , I could be taking notes on these things and I guess the plus with the CrossPads would be the time markings but  I don't know.


My opinion on it is , first , I never take notes anyway so I 'm not gonna use it , um and second , it 's another level of infrastructure that we have to deal with.

And I have  uh so my  my feeling on it is that I think in principle it 's a really nice idea , and you have the time tags which makes it better tha than just taking ra raw notes. On the other hand , I  the down side for me was that I think the pen is really noisy. So you have ka kaplunk , kaplunk , kaplunk. And I  and I don't know if it 's audible on the  but I  I sort of thought that was a disadvantage. I do take notes , I mean , I could be taking notes on these things and I guess the plus with the CrossPads would be the time markings but  I don't know.

So it 's  it 's um  it 's a regular pad , just a regular pad of paper but there 's this pen which indicates position.


And I have  uh so my  my feeling on it is that I think in principle it 's a really nice idea , and you have the time tags which makes it better tha than just taking ra raw notes. On the other hand , I  the down side for me was that I think the pen is really noisy. So you have ka kaplunk , kaplunk , kaplunk. And I  and I don't know if it 's audible on the  but I  I sort of thought that was a disadvantage. I do take notes , I mean , I could be taking notes on these things and I guess the plus with the CrossPads would be the time markings but  I don't know.

So it 's  it 's um  it 's a regular pad , just a regular pad of paper but there 's this pen which indicates position.


So it 's  it 's um  it 's a regular pad , just a regular pad of paper but there 's this pen which indicates position.

And so you have time and position stuff stored


And so you have time and position stuff stored

so that you can  you have a record of whatever it is you 've written.


so that you can  you have a record of whatever it is you 've written.

And then you can download it and they have OCR and searching and all sorts of things.


And then you can download it and they have OCR and searching and all sorts of things.

So i if you take notes it 's a great little device.


So i if you take notes it 's a great little device.


So i if you take notes it 's a great little device.

And one of the reasons that it was brought up originally was because uh we were interested in  in higher - level things ,


And one of the reasons that it was brought up originally was because uh we were interested in  in higher - level things ,


And one of the reasons that it was brought up originally was because uh we were interested in  in higher - level things ,

not just the , you know , microphone stuff but also summarization and so forth and the question is if you were going to go to some gold standard of what wa what was it that happened in the meeting you know , where would it come from ? And um I think that was one of the things ,


not just the , you know , microphone stuff but also summarization and so forth and the question is if you were going to go to some gold standard of what wa what was it that happened in the meeting you know , where would it come from ? And um I think that was one of the things ,


right ? And so the  it seemed like a neat idea. We 'll have a  you know , have a scribe , have somebody uh take good notes and then that 's part of the record of the meeting. And then we did it once or twice and we sort of


right ? And so the  it seemed like a neat idea. We 'll have a  you know , have a scribe , have somebody uh take good notes and then that 's part of the record of the meeting. And then we did it once or twice and we sort of

probably chose the wrong scribe but it was   It 's uh


probably chose the wrong scribe but it was   It 's uh


u but I guess the  the other thing I 'm thinking is if we wanted that kind of thing I wonder if we 'd lose that much by having someone be a scribe by listening to the tape , to the recording afterwards and taking notes in some other interface.


u but I guess the  the other thing I 'm thinking is if we wanted that kind of thing I wonder if we 'd lose that much by having someone be a scribe by listening to the tape , to the recording afterwards and taking notes in some other interface.

I mean we 're transcribing it anyways , why do we need notes ?


I mean we 're transcribing it anyways , why do we need notes ?


I think  there 's also  there 's this use that


I think  there 's also  there 's this use that

the  Well , what if you 're sitting there and you just wanna make an X and you don't wanna take notes and you 're  you just wanna


the  Well , what if you 're sitting there and you just wanna make an X and you don't wanna take notes and you 're  you just wanna

get the summary of the transcript from this time location like  you know , and  and then while you 're bored you don't do anything and once in a while , maybe there 's a joke and you put a X and   But  in  in other words you can use that just to highlight times in a very simple way. Also with  I was thinking and I know Morgan disagrees with me on this but suppose you have a group in here and you wanna let them note whenever they think there might be something later that they might not wanna distribute in terms of content , they could just sort of make an X near that point or a question mark that sort of alerts them that when they get the transcript back they c could get some red flags in that transcript region and they can then look at it. So. I know we haven't been using it but I w I can imagine it being useful just for sort of marking time periods


get the summary of the transcript from this time location like  you know , and  and then while you 're bored you don't do anything and once in a while , maybe there 's a joke and you put a X and   But  in  in other words you can use that just to highlight times in a very simple way. Also with  I was thinking and I know Morgan disagrees with me on this but suppose you have a group in here and you wanna let them note whenever they think there might be something later that they might not wanna distribute in terms of content , they could just sort of make an X near that point or a question mark that sort of alerts them that when they get the transcript back they c could get some red flags in that transcript region and they can then look at it. So. I know we haven't been using it but I w I can imagine it being useful just for sort of marking time periods


I guess  so , you know , what  what makes one think i is maybe we should actually schedule some periods where people go over something later


I guess  so , you know , what  what makes one think i is maybe we should actually schedule some periods where people go over something later

and  and  and put some kind of summary or something uh you know , some  there 'd be some scribe who would actually listen , w who 'd agreed to actually listen to the whole thing , not transcribe it , but just sort of write down things that struck them as important. But  then you don't  you don't have the time reference uh that you 'd have if you had it live.


I guess  so , you know , what  what makes one think i is maybe we should actually schedule some periods where people go over something later

and  and  and put some kind of summary or something uh you know , some  there 'd be some scribe who would actually listen , w who 'd agreed to actually listen to the whole thing , not transcribe it , but just sort of write down things that struck them as important. But  then you don't  you don't have the time reference uh that you 'd have if you had it live.

Right. And you don't have a lot of other cues that might be useful ,


and  and  and put some kind of summary or something uh you know , some  there 'd be some scribe who would actually listen , w who 'd agreed to actually listen to the whole thing , not transcribe it , but just sort of write down things that struck them as important. But  then you don't  you don't have the time reference uh that you 'd have if you had it live.

Right. And you don't have a lot of other cues that might be useful ,


and  and  and put some kind of summary or something uh you know , some  there 'd be some scribe who would actually listen , w who 'd agreed to actually listen to the whole thing , not transcribe it , but just sort of write down things that struck them as important. But  then you don't  you don't have the time reference uh that you 'd have if you had it live.

Right. And you don't have a lot of other cues that might be useful ,

How do you synchronize the time in the CrossPad and the time of the recording ?


Right. And you don't have a lot of other cues that might be useful ,

How do you synchronize the time in the CrossPad and the time of the recording ?


How do you synchronize the time in the CrossPad and the time of the recording ?

I mean that was one of the issues we talked about originally and that that 's w part of the difficulty is that we need an infrastructure for using the time  the CrossPads and so that means synchronizing the time


I mean that was one of the issues we talked about originally and that that 's w part of the difficulty is that we need an infrastructure for using the time  the CrossPads and so that means synchronizing the time

You know you want it pretty close and there 's a fair amount of skew because it 's a hand - held unit with a battery


You know you want it pretty close and there 's a fair amount of skew because it 's a hand - held unit with a battery


so you have to synchronize at the beginning of each meeting all the pads that are being used , so that it 's synchronized with the time on that and then you have to download to an application , and then you have to figure out what the data formats are and convert it over if you wanna do anything with this information.


so you have to synchronize at the beginning of each meeting all the pads that are being used , so that it 's synchronized with the time on that and then you have to download to an application , and then you have to figure out what the data formats are and convert it over if you wanna do anything with this information.

And so there 's a lot of infrastructure which


And so there 's a lot of infrastructure which


And so there 's a lot of infrastructure which

There is an alternative , I mean , it 's still , there 's uh  you know , your point stands about there be  needing to be an infrastructure , but it doesn't have to be synchronized with the little clock 's timer on it. You c I mean , I  when I  when I did it I synchronized it by voice , by whispering " one , two , three , four " onto the microphone


There is an alternative , I mean , it 's still , there 's uh  you know , your point stands about there be  needing to be an infrastructure , but it doesn't have to be synchronized with the little clock 's timer on it. You c I mean , I  when I  when I did it I synchronized it by voice , by whispering " one , two , three , four " onto the microphone


There is an alternative , I mean , it 's still , there 's uh  you know , your point stands about there be  needing to be an infrastructure , but it doesn't have to be synchronized with the little clock 's timer on it. You c I mean , I  when I  when I did it I synchronized it by voice , by whispering " one , two , three , four " onto the microphone

Well , but then there 's the infrastructure at the other end


Well , but then there 's the infrastructure at the other end


Well , but then there 's the infrastructure at the other end

which someone has to listen to that and find that point ,


Well , but then there 's the infrastructure at the other end

which someone has to listen to that and find that point ,

Yeah , it 's transcribed. It 's in the transcript.


which someone has to listen to that and find that point ,

Yeah , it 's transcribed. It 's in the transcript.


Yeah , it 's transcribed. It 's in the transcript.


Well , could we keep one of these things for another year ? Would h I mean is there a big cau


Well , could we keep one of these things for another year ? Would h I mean is there a big cau

We can keep all  both of them for the whole whole year.


We can keep all  both of them for the whole whole year.

even maybe some of the transcribers who might be wanting to annotate uh f just there 's a bunch of things that might be neat to do but I  it might not be the case that we can actually synchronize them and then do all the infrastructure but we could at least try it out.


even maybe some of the transcribers who might be wanting to annotate uh f just there 's a bunch of things that might be neat to do but I  it might not be the case that we can actually synchronize them and then do all the infrastructure but we could at least try it out.

Well  one thing that we might try um is on some set of meetings , some collection of meetings , maybe EDU is the right one or maybe something else , we  we get somebody to buy into the idea of doing this as part of the task. I mean ,


even maybe some of the transcribers who might be wanting to annotate uh f just there 's a bunch of things that might be neat to do but I  it might not be the case that we can actually synchronize them and then do all the infrastructure but we could at least try it out.

Well  one thing that we might try um is on some set of meetings , some collection of meetings , maybe EDU is the right one or maybe something else , we  we get somebody to buy into the idea of doing this as part of the task. I mean ,

uh part of the reason  I think part of the reason that Adam was so interested in uh the SpeechCorder sort of f idea from the beginning is he said from the beginning he hated taking notes and


Well  one thing that we might try um is on some set of meetings , some collection of meetings , maybe EDU is the right one or maybe something else , we  we get somebody to buy into the idea of doing this as part of the task. I mean ,

uh part of the reason  I think part of the reason that Adam was so interested in uh the SpeechCorder sort of f idea from the beginning is he said from the beginning he hated taking notes and


uh part of the reason  I think part of the reason that Adam was so interested in uh the SpeechCorder sort of f idea from the beginning is he said from the beginning he hated taking notes and

and so forth so and  and Jane is more into it but eh uh you know I don't know if you wanna really do  do this all the time so I think the thing is to  to get someone to actually buy into it and have at least some series of meetings where we do it. Um  and if so , it 's probably worth having one. The p the  the problem with the  the more extended view , all these other you know with uh quibbling about particular applications of it is that it looks like it 's hard to get people to um uh routinely use it , I mean it just hasn't happened anyway. But maybe if we can get a person to


uh part of the reason  I think part of the reason that Adam was so interested in uh the SpeechCorder sort of f idea from the beginning is he said from the beginning he hated taking notes and

and so forth so and  and Jane is more into it but eh uh you know I don't know if you wanna really do  do this all the time so I think the thing is to  to get someone to actually buy into it and have at least some series of meetings where we do it. Um  and if so , it 's probably worth having one. The p the  the problem with the  the more extended view , all these other you know with uh quibbling about particular applications of it is that it looks like it 's hard to get people to um uh routinely use it , I mean it just hasn't happened anyway. But maybe if we can get a person to

Yeah I don't think it has to be part of a what everybody does in a meeting but it might be a useful , neat part of the project that we can , you know , show off as a mechanism for synchronizing events in time that happen that you just wanna make a note of , like what Jane was talking about with some later browsing , just  just as a convenience , even if it 's not a full - blown note taking substitute.


and so forth so and  and Jane is more into it but eh uh you know I don't know if you wanna really do  do this all the time so I think the thing is to  to get someone to actually buy into it and have at least some series of meetings where we do it. Um  and if so , it 's probably worth having one. The p the  the problem with the  the more extended view , all these other you know with uh quibbling about particular applications of it is that it looks like it 's hard to get people to um uh routinely use it , I mean it just hasn't happened anyway. But maybe if we can get a person to

Yeah I don't think it has to be part of a what everybody does in a meeting but it might be a useful , neat part of the project that we can , you know , show off as a mechanism for synchronizing events in time that happen that you just wanna make a note of , like what Jane was talking about with some later browsing , just  just as a convenience , even if it 's not a full - blown note taking substitute.

Well if you wanted to do that maybe the right architecture for it is to get a PDA with a wireless card. And  and that way you can synchronize very easily with the  the  the meeting because you 'll be synchroni you can synchronize with the  the Linux server and uh


Yeah I don't think it has to be part of a what everybody does in a meeting but it might be a useful , neat part of the project that we can , you know , show off as a mechanism for synchronizing events in time that happen that you just wanna make a note of , like what Jane was talking about with some later browsing , just  just as a convenience , even if it 's not a full - blown note taking substitute.

Well if you wanted to do that maybe the right architecture for it is to get a PDA with a wireless card. And  and that way you can synchronize very easily with the  the  the meeting because you 'll be synchroni you can synchronize with the  the Linux server and uh

so  so , I mean , if you 're not worried about


Well if you wanted to do that maybe the right architecture for it is to get a PDA with a wireless card. And  and that way you can synchronize very easily with the  the  the meeting because you 'll be synchroni you can synchronize with the  the Linux server and uh

so  so , I mean , if you 're not worried about


so  so , I mean , if you 're not worried about


so  so , I mean , if you 're not worried about

Well  well you have a PDA and may and you could have the same sort of X interface or whatever , I mean , you 'd have to do a little eh a little bit of coding to do it.


Well  well you have a PDA and may and you could have the same sort of X interface or whatever , I mean , you 'd have to do a little eh a little bit of coding to do it.


I mean , if  if all you really wanted was  you didn't want this secondary note - taking channel but just sort of being able to use m markers of some sort , a PDA with a l a wireless card would be the  probably the right way to go. I mean even buttons you could do , sort of , I mean , as you said.


I mean , if  if all you really wanted was  you didn't want this secondary note - taking channel but just sort of being able to use m markers of some sort , a PDA with a l a wireless card would be the  probably the right way to go. I mean even buttons you could do , sort of , I mean , as you said.

I mean for what  what you 've been describing buttons would be even more convenient than anything else ,


I mean for what  what you 've been describing buttons would be even more convenient than anything else ,


I mean , I don't have , you know , grandiose ideas in mind but I 'm just sort of thinking well we 've  we 're getting into the next year now and we have a lot of these things worked out at  in terms of the speech maybe somebody will be interested in this and


I mean , I don't have , you know , grandiose ideas in mind but I 'm just sort of thinking well we 've  we 're getting into the next year now and we have a lot of these things worked out at  in terms of the speech maybe somebody will be interested in this and

Yeah , I do like the idea of having a couple buttons


Yeah , I do like the idea of having a couple buttons


where like one  one button was " uh - oh " and then another button was " that 's great " and another button " that 's f "


where like one  one button was " uh - oh " and then another button was " that 's great " and another button " that 's f "

Or like this is my " I 'm supposed to do this " kind of button ,


Or like this is my " I 'm supposed to do this " kind of button ,


I mean I think the CrossPad idea is a good one.


I mean I think the CrossPad idea is a good one.

It 's just a question of getting people to use it and getting the infrastructure set up in such a way that it 's not a lot of extra work. I mean that 's part of the reason why it hasn't happened is that it 's been a lot of extra work for me


It 's just a question of getting people to use it and getting the infrastructure set up in such a way that it 's not a lot of extra work. I mean that 's part of the reason why it hasn't happened is that it 's been a lot of extra work for me


But it 's also , it has this problem of having to go from an analog to a d a digital record too ,


But it 's also , it has this problem of having to go from an analog to a d a digital record too ,

Well it 's digital but it 's in a format that is not particularly standard.


But it 's also , it has this problem of having to go from an analog to a d a digital record too ,

Well it 's digital but it 's in a format that is not particularly standard.

But I mean , say , if i if  if you 're writing  if you 're writing notes in it does  it  it can't do handwriting recognition , right ?


Well it 's digital but it 's in a format that is not particularly standard.

But I mean , say , if i if  if you 're writing  if you 're writing notes in it does  it  it can't do handwriting recognition , right ?

No , no , but it 's just  it 's just storing the pixel informa position information ,


But I mean , say , if i if  if you 're writing  if you 're writing notes in it does  it  it can't do handwriting recognition , right ?

No , no , but it 's just  it 's just storing the pixel informa position information ,


No , no , but it 's just  it 's just storing the pixel informa position information ,

I  I guess what I 'm thinking is that the PDA solution you h you have it already without needing to go from the pixelization to a  to a  I mean


I  I guess what I 'm thinking is that the PDA solution you h you have it already without needing to go from the pixelization to a  to a  I mean


I  I guess what I 'm thinking is that the PDA solution you h you have it already without needing to go from the pixelization to a  to a  I mean

The transfer function is less errorful ,


The transfer function is less errorful ,


Well it also  it 's maybe realistic cuz people are supposed to be bringing their P D As to the meeting eventually , right ? That 's why we have this little  I don't know what  I don't wanna cause more work for anyone but I can imagine some interesting things that you could do with it and so if we don't have to return it and we can keep it for a year  I don't know.


Well it also  it 's maybe realistic cuz people are supposed to be bringing their P D As to the meeting eventually , right ? That 's why we have this little  I don't know what  I don't wanna cause more work for anyone but I can imagine some interesting things that you could do with it and so if we don't have to return it and we can keep it for a year  I don't know.

Well  w we don't  we certainly don't have to return it , as I said. All  all he said is that if you 're not using it could you return it , if you are using it feel free to keep it. The point is that we haven't used it at all and are we going to ?


Well it also  it 's maybe realistic cuz people are supposed to be bringing their P D As to the meeting eventually , right ? That 's why we have this little  I don't know what  I don't wanna cause more work for anyone but I can imagine some interesting things that you could do with it and so if we don't have to return it and we can keep it for a year  I don't know.

Well  w we don't  we certainly don't have to return it , as I said. All  all he said is that if you 're not using it could you return it , if you are using it feel free to keep it. The point is that we haven't used it at all and are we going to ?

So we have no but  uh by I  I would suggest you return one. Because we  we you know , we  we haven't used it at all.


Well  w we don't  we certainly don't have to return it , as I said. All  all he said is that if you 're not using it could you return it , if you are using it feel free to keep it. The point is that we haven't used it at all and are we going to ?

So we have no but  uh by I  I would suggest you return one. Because we  we you know , we  we haven't used it at all.


So we have no but  uh by I  I would suggest you return one. Because we  we you know , we  we haven't used it at all.


Maybe we could do like a student project , you know , maybe someone who wants to do this as their main like s project for something would be cool.


Maybe we could do like a student project , you know , maybe someone who wants to do this as their main like s project for something would be cool.

Yep. I mean if we had them out and sitting on the table people might use them a little more


Maybe we could do like a student project , you know , maybe someone who wants to do this as their main like s project for something would be cool.

Yep. I mean if we had them out and sitting on the table people might use them a little more

Maybe Jeremy could sit in some meetings and press a button when there  when  when somebody laughed.


Yep. I mean if we had them out and sitting on the table people might use them a little more

Maybe Jeremy could sit in some meetings and press a button when there  when  when somebody laughed.


Maybe Jeremy could sit in some meetings and press a button when there  when  when somebody laughed.


Jeremy 's gonna be an  he 's a new student starting on modeling brea breath and laughter , actually , which sounds funny but I think it should be cool ,


Breath and lau " ha - ha - ha - ha ". " Ha - ha - ha - ha. "


That reminded me of something. Oh well , too late. It slipped out.


Ordered  Uh , well I 'm always gonna do that. W uh   We ordered uh more wireless , and so they should be coming in at some point.


Ordered  Uh , well I 'm always gonna do that. W uh   We ordered uh more wireless , and so they should be coming in at some point.

And then at the same time I 'll probably rewire the room as per Jane 's suggestion so that uh the first N channels are wireless , eh are the m the close - talking and the next N are far - field.


Ordered  Uh , well I 'm always gonna do that. W uh   We ordered uh more wireless , and so they should be coming in at some point.

And then at the same time I 'll probably rewire the room as per Jane 's suggestion so that uh the first N channels are wireless , eh are the m the close - talking and the next N are far - field.

You know what he means but isn't that funny sounding ? " We ordered more wireless. " It 's like wires are the things so you 're wiring  you 're  you 're  you  we 're  we ordered more absence of the thing.


And then at the same time I 'll probably rewire the room as per Jane 's suggestion so that uh the first N channels are wireless , eh are the m the close - talking and the next N are far - field.

You know what he means but isn't that funny sounding ? " We ordered more wireless. " It 's like wires are the things so you 're wiring  you 're  you 're  you  we 're  we ordered more absence of the thing.

That 's a very philosophical statement from Morgan.


You know what he means but isn't that funny sounding ? " We ordered more wireless. " It 's like wires are the things so you 're wiring  you 're  you 're  you  we 're  we ordered more absence of the thing.

That 's a very philosophical statement from Morgan.

I just  it 's sort of a anachronism , I mean it 's like  It 's great.


That 's a very philosophical statement from Morgan.

I just  it 's sort of a anachronism , I mean it 's like  It 's great.


I just  it 's sort of a anachronism , I mean it 's like  It 's great.

Should we do digits ? Do we have anything else ?


Should we do digits ? Do we have anything else ?


Should we do digits ? Do we have anything else ?

I mean there 's  there 's all this stuff going on uh between uh Andreas and  and  and Dave and Chuck and others with various kinds of runs uh um  recognition runs , trying to figure things out about the features but it 's  it 's all sort of in process , so there 's not much to say right now. Uh why don't we start with our  our esteemed guest.


I mean there 's  there 's all this stuff going on uh between uh Andreas and  and  and Dave and Chuck and others with various kinds of runs uh um  recognition runs , trying to figure things out about the features but it 's  it 's all sort of in process , so there 's not much to say right now. Uh why don't we start with our  our esteemed guest.


I mean there 's  there 's all this stuff going on uh between uh Andreas and  and  and Dave and Chuck and others with various kinds of runs uh um  recognition runs , trying to figure things out about the features but it 's  it 's all sort of in process , so there 's not much to say right now. Uh why don't we start with our  our esteemed guest.

So just the transcript number and then the  then the


I mean there 's  there 's all this stuff going on uh between uh Andreas and  and  and Dave and Chuck and others with various kinds of runs uh um  recognition runs , trying to figure things out about the features but it 's  it 's all sort of in process , so there 's not much to say right now. Uh why don't we start with our  our esteemed guest.

So just the transcript number and then the  then the

This is  Yes , this is number two for me today.


So just the transcript number and then the  then the

This is  Yes , this is number two for me today.

See all you have to do is go away to move way up in the


This is  Yes , this is number two for me today.

See all you have to do is go away to move way up in the


See all you have to do is go away to move way up in the


Well , I 'm just thinking , are you gonna try to save the data before this next group comes in ?