Yeah right. But  We're making a remote with  with a few functions you know.

Well  that's  a bit exaggerated. Well , I agree with you . It's it's also more recognisable.

It looks more like a calculator to people , if you have the l the the the thing on top.


Well  that's  a bit exaggerated. Well , I agree with you . It's it's also more recognisable.

It looks more like a calculator to people , if you have the l the the the thing on top.


It looks more like a calculator to people , if you have the l the the the thing on top.


It looks more like a calculator to people , if you have the l the the the thing on top.

We don't want them to look like a calculator.


We don't want them to look like a calculator.

You want uh  Yeah it it it must be a remote.


We don't want them to look like a calculator.

You want uh  Yeah it it it must be a remote.

We want to look it like our original but familiar


You want uh  Yeah it it it must be a remote.

We want to look it like our original but familiar


We want to look it like our original but familiar

but uh you don't have to throw uh um important aspe  important aspect like familiarity uh completely away ,


but uh you don't have to throw uh um important aspe  important aspect like familiarity uh completely away ,


Maybe a bic uh better uh white uh   We White ?


Maybe a bic uh better uh white uh   We White ?

I think it's still important to have it at the top ,


Maybe a bic uh better uh white uh   We White ?

I think it's still important to have it at the top ,

Width. Uh format yeah format ? Line width ? Width ?


I think it's still important to have it at the top ,

Width. Uh format yeah format ? Line width ? Width ?

because it's uh it's more familiar that way.


Width. Uh format yeah format ? Line width ? Width ?

because it's uh it's more familiar that way.


because it's uh it's more familiar that way.


It  it needs to be calibrated again. Well


It  it needs to be calibrated again. Well

Well uh let's uh talk about that later uh


It  it needs to be calibrated again. Well

Well uh let's uh talk about that later uh

Maybe that's uh better.  You e you only have one pen for that screen. Yeah.


Well uh let's uh talk about that later uh

Maybe that's uh better.  You e you only have one pen for that screen. Yeah.


Maybe that's uh better.  You e you only have one pen for that screen. Yeah.


Maybe that's uh better.  You e you only have one pen for that screen. Yeah.

Alright , we have to make a decision now ,


Alright , we have to make a decision now ,


I think we have uh a few functions , and we can put uh the L_C_D_ above it , and still have lots of room at the bottom , where you can put your hand.


I think we have uh a few functions , and we can put uh the L_C_D_ above it , and still have lots of room at the bottom , where you can put your hand.

I think it should be at the button , bottom. Bottom. The L_C_D_.


I think it should be at the button , bottom. Bottom. The L_C_D_.

Well I'm the  I I'm the designer , so um


Well I'm the  I I'm the designer , so um


Well I'm the  I I'm the designer , so um

Oh yeah , oh yeah , I totally agree. Yeah.


Oh yeah , oh yeah , I totally agree. Yeah.


Oh yeah , oh yeah , I totally agree. Yeah.

Well but uh what what if we we first decide the different functions ,


Well but uh what what if we we first decide the different functions ,


Uh yeah we should uh summon the the different uh aspects of the thing.


Uh yeah we should uh summon the the different uh aspects of the thing.

And moreover I think that you two should be uh come to consensus about the L_C_D_ s.


And moreover I think that you two should be uh come to consensus about the L_C_D_ s.


While you have to agree , I can say  it's like this and  you must agree. Yeah.


We have a power button , setting buttons , L_C_D_ window , the number buttons


I think we we should use something like this um to um  The the channel up and channel down button ?  Yeah , in circle , you know ?


I think we we should use something like this um to um  The the channel up and channel down button ?  Yeah , in circle , you know ?

Yes. Yeah. Yeah yeah yeah. Well that's that's also design.


Yes. Yeah. Yeah yeah yeah. Well that's that's also design.


But th th on this remote th these controls are for something else , a D_V_D_ player or something. So


But th th on this remote th these controls are for something else , a D_V_D_ player or something. So

Yes , as I already said , we could drop some of these buttons.


But th th on this remote th these controls are for something else , a D_V_D_ player or something. So

Yes , as I already said , we could drop some of these buttons.

You should put that uh power button , channel and volume should have the most uh importance.


Yes , as I already said , we could drop some of these buttons.

You should put that uh power button , channel and volume should have the most uh importance.

Yeah. I think these should be in one big circle in the middle.


Yes , as I already said , we could drop some of these buttons.

You should put that uh power button , channel and volume should have the most uh importance.

Yeah. I think these should be in one big circle in the middle.

Yeah , but what he said about R_S_I_ was  t kinda true. When   when you uh put them all in the same place , the most used buttons , you're doing the same thing all the time ,


You should put that uh power button , channel and volume should have the most uh importance.

Yeah. I think these should be in one big circle in the middle.

Yeah , but what he said about R_S_I_ was  t kinda true. When   when you uh put them all in the same place , the most used buttons , you're doing the same thing all the time ,

and that's just what R_S_I_'s all about. So it might be smarter to put them a little more away from each other.


Yeah. I think these should be in one big circle in the middle.

Yeah , but what he said about R_S_I_ was  t kinda true. When   when you uh put them all in the same place , the most used buttons , you're doing the same thing all the time ,

and that's just what R_S_I_'s all about. So it might be smarter to put them a little more away from each other.

Apart. So people have to move their hand. And they get less uh complaints of R_S_I_.


Yeah , but what he said about R_S_I_ was  t kinda true. When   when you uh put them all in the same place , the most used buttons , you're doing the same thing all the time ,

and that's just what R_S_I_'s all about. So it might be smarter to put them a little more away from each other.

Apart. So people have to move their hand. And they get less uh complaints of R_S_I_.

Yeah , it's it's also not good to completely stay in one position constantly with one hand.


and that's just what R_S_I_'s all about. So it might be smarter to put them a little more away from each other.

Apart. So people have to move their hand. And they get less uh complaints of R_S_I_.

Yeah , it's it's also not good to completely stay in one position constantly with one hand.


Apart. So people have to move their hand. And they get less uh complaints of R_S_I_.

Yeah , it's it's also not good to completely stay in one position constantly with one hand.

because all my i important buttons are the same place.


Yeah , it's it's also not good to completely stay in one position constantly with one hand.

because all my i important buttons are the same place.

Yeah. It's good to move uh from time to time. Yeah.


because all my i important buttons are the same place.

Yeah. It's good to move uh from time to time. Yeah.


because all my i important buttons are the same place.

Yeah. It's good to move uh from time to time. Yeah.

Yeah but people don't like it when their buttons are all over the place.


Yeah. It's good to move uh from time to time. Yeah.

Yeah but people don't like it when their buttons are all over the place.


Yeah but people don't like it when their buttons are all over the place.


No but now y W would we have to choose a way in middle ?


No but now y W would we have to choose a way in middle ?

Um channels are uh most uh is most used within the hour. You can see.


Um channels are uh most uh is most used within the hour. You can see.


Um channels are uh most uh is most used within the hour. You can see.

So the the  channel uh channel buttons should be far far apart , I think , up and down.


So the the  channel uh channel buttons should be far far apart , I think , up and down.


The other the other two uh frustrations are far more important. So


The other the other two uh frustrations are far more important. So

I think you can have the two buttons of up and down close together , but you don't have uh have to have volume control and and zapping button close together.


The other the other two uh frustrations are far more important. So

I think you can have the two buttons of up and down close together , but you don't have uh have to have volume control and and zapping button close together.

Well for example the power button , you can


The other the other two uh frustrations are far more important. So

I think you can have the two buttons of up and down close together , but you don't have uh have to have volume control and and zapping button close together.

Well for example the power button , you can

Well they are used four times an hour , so


I think you can have the two buttons of up and down close together , but you don't have uh have to have volume control and and zapping button close together.

Well for example the power button , you can

Well they are used four times an hour , so

If someone is constantly z zapping , it's not going to miss , that it that the power button is not right beside it. Because I have someone  But the buttons is way.


Well for example the power button , you can

Well they are used four times an hour , so

If someone is constantly z zapping , it's not going to miss , that it that the power button is not right beside it. Because I have someone  But the buttons is way.


Well they are used four times an hour , so

If someone is constantly z zapping , it's not going to miss , that it that the power button is not right beside it. Because I have someone  But the buttons is way.


If someone is constantly z zapping , it's not going to miss , that it that the power button is not right beside it. Because I have someone  But the buttons is way.


Power bu button should be left at the top.


five minutes.  Yeah , well five minutes left.


Um how are we going to do it with those numbers ?


Um how are we going to do it with those numbers ?

C c can you make you make  We can use uh the drawing board now , I think. Uh it it doesn't work well but  But it it would be pretty pretty uh nice if we could just draw a simple thing.


Um how are we going to do it with those numbers ?

C c can you make you make  We can use uh the drawing board now , I think. Uh it it doesn't work well but  But it it would be pretty pretty uh nice if we could just draw a simple thing.

Well I have it here. Yeah well that's going to take too too much time.


Um how are we going to do it with those numbers ?

C c can you make you make  We can use uh the drawing board now , I think. Uh it it doesn't work well but  But it it would be pretty pretty uh nice if we could just draw a simple thing.

Well I have it here. Yeah well that's going to take too too much time.

I do think you have to keep you have to keep it central now.


C c can you make you make  We can use uh the drawing board now , I think. Uh it it doesn't work well but  But it it would be pretty pretty uh nice if we could just draw a simple thing.

Well I have it here. Yeah well that's going to take too too much time.

I do think you have to keep you have to keep it central now.


Well I have it here. Yeah well that's going to take too too much time.

I do think you have to keep you have to keep it central now.


I do think you have to keep you have to keep it central now.

Just uh you decide that , you decide that ,


Just uh you decide that , you decide that ,


Well the L_C_D_. Um you are Industrial , you are User Interface. So I think it's going to go to Mike. But you will have to make consensus with .


Well the L_C_D_. Um you are Industrial , you are User Interface. So I think it's going to go to Mike. But you will have to make consensus with .

Well consensus , um  We we can put it in the middle , so


Well consensus , um  We we can put it in the middle , so

Well it's a bit hard , because we are going to be uh individually.


Well it's a bit hard , because we are going to be uh individually.


Well uh yeah I I still think it's it's quite important though to uh to have it at the top , so


Well uh yeah I I still think it's it's quite important though to uh to have it at the top , so

Yeah. You say familiarity isn't important but


Well uh yeah I I still think it's it's quite important though to uh to have it at the top , so

Yeah. You say familiarity isn't important but

Well what if we're going to now decide about the functions , and the design comes into the next round ? Plus the d th the design round is still to come huh ?


Yeah. You say familiarity isn't important but

Well what if we're going to now decide about the functions , and the design comes into the next round ? Plus the d th the design round is still to come huh ?


Well what if we're going to now decide about the functions , and the design comes into the next round ? Plus the d th the design round is still to come huh ?


As we we we we agreed , we do have a L_C_D_.


W the number function. Are we going to uh do it like uh on Mike's screen with uh one button that says I'm going to do a t two number digital ?


There's one two three four five six six seven eight nine zero.


There's one two three four five six six seven eight nine zero.

It it has to r recognise one as  there could still come more.


There's one two three four five six six seven eight nine zero.

It it has to r recognise one as  there could still come more.

No ,  if you  On most T_V_s if you uh press two numbers shortly after each other ,  d it


It it has to r recognise one as  there could still come more.

No ,  if you  On most T_V_s if you uh press two numbers shortly after each other ,  d it


No ,  if you  On most T_V_s if you uh press two numbers shortly after each other ,  d it


Okay uh anyone any uh oth other functionalities of our uh remote ?


Okay uh anyone any uh oth other functionalities of our uh remote ?

I think these are the the most important functions.


Okay uh anyone any uh oth other functionalities of our uh remote ?

I think these are the the most important functions.

Do you still have the pictures over there ?


I think these are the the most important functions.

Do you still have the pictures over there ?


Do you still have the pictures over there ?

Yeah , that's about it. You do need the uh multi Or did uh  No , like this one. You do need them ?


Yeah , that's about it. You do need the uh multi Or did uh  No , like this one. You do need them ?


Um well because we can't integrate it with any other uh remotes , all those buttons on those pictures are uh irrelevant. So just for a television is that all we need ?


Um well because we can't integrate it with any other uh remotes , all those buttons on those pictures are uh irrelevant. So just for a television is that all we need ?

Right. Yeah , it's most useable this way.


Right. Yeah , it's most useable this way.

Teletext is gone. So all those buttons that  ar are to do with teletext  Oh screen placing.


Teletext is gone. So all those buttons that  ar are to do with teletext  Oh screen placing.

We'll have uh those uh buttons about uh  And uh the two important ones we're l f forgetting.


Teletext is gone. So all those buttons that  ar are to do with teletext  Oh screen placing.

We'll have uh those uh buttons about uh  And uh the two important ones we're l f forgetting.

Uh there's um  screen. You can make it wider and less wide.


We'll have uh those uh buttons about uh  And uh the two important ones we're l f forgetting.

Uh there's um  screen. You can make it wider and less wide.

And the button that you can go to A_V_ for your video.


Uh there's um  screen. You can make it wider and less wide.

And the button that you can go to A_V_ for your video.


And the button that you can go to A_V_ for your video.


And the button that you can go to A_V_ for your video.

I do think we have to put that underneath a clip.


I do think we have to put that underneath a clip.

Those two ? But it's just two , and we make a clip ?


Those two ? But it's just two , and we make a clip ?

We we can make  make uh a little row of like four buttons down here.


We we can make  make uh a little row of like four buttons down here.


But you you can put uh two or three buttons under uh another section.


They they aren't used much , not as much as those other , so you can put it somewhere


They they aren't used much , not as much as those other , so you can put it somewhere

Oh , they can be small or round like buttons.


They they aren't used much , not as much as those other , so you can put it somewhere

Oh , they can be small or round like buttons.

Yeah s bit smaller and s Well uh and and I think more at the bottom. Yeah. Yeah or at the top , yeah. What do you think uh those those buttons ?


They they aren't used much , not as much as those other , so you can put it somewhere

Oh , they can be small or round like buttons.

Yeah s bit smaller and s Well uh and and I think more at the bottom. Yeah. Yeah or at the top , yeah. What do you think uh those those buttons ?

Well I think they should in an in an isolated part of the remote.


Oh , they can be small or round like buttons.

Yeah s bit smaller and s Well uh and and I think more at the bottom. Yeah. Yeah or at the top , yeah. What do you think uh those those buttons ?

Well I think they should in an in an isolated part of the remote.

Above or down ? And w where ? Well we design it later. We have it , and we design later where everything goes. Yeah.


Yeah s bit smaller and s Well uh and and I think more at the bottom. Yeah. Yeah or at the top , yeah. What do you think uh those those buttons ?

Well I think they should in an in an isolated part of the remote.

Above or down ? And w where ? Well we design it later. We have it , and we design later where everything goes. Yeah.


Well I think they should in an in an isolated part of the remote.

Above or down ? And w where ? Well we design it later. We have it , and we design later where everything goes. Yeah.


Above or down ? And w where ? Well we design it later. We have it , and we design later where everything goes. Yeah.


Go to video , that's always on your remote control. To A_V_ uh to A_V_ A_V_ A_V_.


Go to video , that's always on your remote control. To A_V_ uh to A_V_ A_V_ A_V_.

Yeah , but you can z you can zap t you can you can zap to the video channel from zero to uh


Yeah , but you can z you can zap t you can you can zap to the video channel from zero to uh


No no not always. Ze yeah zero is a different channel than uh the the video channel.


No no not always. Ze yeah zero is a different channel than uh the the video channel.

Yeah , but when you zap down zero you get to A_V_.


Yeah , but when you zap down zero you get to A_V_.


I think go to video is an irrelevant button , but


I think go to video is an irrelevant button , but

But it's easy to go   If you are at uh at channel uh fifty five and you want to uh go immediately to the video channel , you do you have to push a to to get below zero.


But it's easy to go   If you are at uh at channel uh fifty five and you want to uh go immediately to the video channel , you do you have to push a to to get below zero.

It's more easy to get to uh where the specific uh video channel button.


But it's easy to go   If you are at uh at channel uh fifty five and you want to uh go immediately to the video channel , you do you have to push a to to get below zero.

It's more easy to get to uh where the specific uh video channel button.

I I think that one button is uh  I use it uh


It's more easy to get to uh where the specific uh video channel button.

I I think that one button is uh  I use it uh

Yeah , but if we're choosing to uh incorporate these buttons , you have to have uh channel setting , if you wa if you have a new T_V_. You have to set the channels.


I I think that one button is uh  I use it uh

Yeah , but if we're choosing to uh incorporate these buttons , you have to have uh channel setting , if you wa if you have a new T_V_. You have to set the channels.

Right all th these uh different buttons you have to


Yeah , but if we're choosing to uh incorporate these buttons , you have to have uh channel setting , if you wa if you have a new T_V_. You have to set the channels.

Right all th these uh different buttons you have to

These buttons , I don't have buttons for channel setting uh especially on my remote.


Right all th these uh different buttons you have to

These buttons , I don't have buttons for channel setting uh especially on my remote.

Yeah well uh d different screen settings a Yeah , sk


These buttons , I don't have buttons for channel setting uh especially on my remote.

Yeah well uh d different screen settings a Yeah , sk

It's it's incorporated with p m plus and down , uh those


Yeah well uh d different screen settings a Yeah , sk

It's it's incorporated with p m plus and down , uh those


It's it's incorporated with p m plus and down , uh those

Yeah y you you you you have screen width.


It's it's incorporated with p m plus and down , uh those

Yeah y you you you you have screen width.

Yeah you yeah you have one one button from  s set frequency o or something ,


Yeah y you you you you have screen width.

Yeah you yeah you have one one button from  s set frequency o or something ,

and then with plus and min minus you can uh adjust the uh


Yeah y you you you you have screen width.

Yeah you yeah you have one one button from  s set frequency o or something ,

and then with plus and min minus you can uh adjust the uh

Right. That's the only one we put uh in there.


Yeah you yeah you have one one button from  s set frequency o or something ,

and then with plus and min minus you can uh adjust the uh

Right. That's the only one we put uh in there.


and then with plus and min minus you can uh adjust the uh

Right. That's the only one we put uh in there.


Right. That's the only one we put uh in there.


Yeah to uh oh yeah of course to configure the programme the  Yeah.


Oh you always have in the centre an Okay button , for your menu.


You should  Yeah. I think that's important.


You should  Yeah. I think that's important.

Uh   And and the settings to change the brightness


Uh   And and the settings to change the brightness

the settings to change the brightness and the contrast.


the settings to change the brightness and the contrast.


Th the menu menu button is also important.


Th the menu menu button is also important.

Then you can uh  Where ?  I don't see it.


Then you can uh  Where ?  I don't see it.


Then you can uh  Where ?  I don't see it.

I think things like uh contrast and brightness should be um in the menu , yeah.


I think things like uh contrast and brightness should be um in the menu , yeah.

In the menu. And you can uh then adjust it with the zapping buttons or something.


In the menu. And you can uh then adjust it with the zapping buttons or something.

Because uh the zapping buttons aren't used then if you are in the menu.


Because uh the zapping buttons aren't used then if you are in the menu.


We're going to uh go to our uh rooms , and uh we'll have to decide s things on our own I think. So


I thought we'd uh lunch uh right now , or not ?


I thought we'd uh lunch uh right now , or not ?

W w we have lunchtime , by the way , now uh so uh


W w we have lunchtime , by the way , now uh so uh


Ah. We didn't exactly do everything but   So


The  I will uh present here agenda with with with with slides to you.


So first uh just to mention I will take notes uh of this meeting


So first uh just to mention I will take notes uh of this meeting

and uh I will try to work them out and give them to you. I've also made notes of the previous meeting and um I was about to send them you but  then uh I had to go to this uh meeting so you will get them too uh


and uh I will try to work them out and give them to you. I've also made notes of the previous meeting and um I was about to send them you but  then uh I had to go to this uh meeting so you will get them too uh


Then I hope you all have uh worked out  some some uh  some some presentations about uh about well you the the task given to you in the previous meeting.


Then I hope you all have uh worked out  some some uh  some some presentations about uh about well you the the task given to you in the previous meeting.

Um. W We will uh in a minute we will uh  start with them. Um , we will see in which order we will handle them of. Um then I will uh bring in some some some new requirements I I got uh from the uh account manager , I try to work them out , they were quite abstract , and we can have maybe have com some discussion about it. Uh Um about the functions


Um. W We will uh in a minute we will uh  start with them. Um , we will see in which order we will handle them of. Um then I will uh bring in some some some new requirements I I got uh from the uh account manager , I try to work them out , they were quite abstract , and we can have maybe have com some discussion about it. Uh Um about the functions

and  Well in this meeting we should really  try to reach a decision about the target group and the functionality of the


and  Well in this meeting we should really  try to reach a decision about the target group and the functionality of the

You mean the social target group who we wants to target ?


and  Well in this meeting we should really  try to reach a decision about the target group and the functionality of the

You mean the social target group who we wants to target ?

Yes I mean well yes w who are we going to uh to well to sell this ,


You mean the social target group who we wants to target ?

Yes I mean well yes w who are we going to uh to well to sell this ,


Yes I mean well yes w who are we going to uh to well to sell this ,


the customers , indeed yes. Think that's that's important matter.


the customers , indeed yes. Think that's that's important matter.

Uh.  So  And then uh we will close this meeting uh


the customers , indeed yes. Think that's that's important matter.

Uh.  So  And then uh we will close this meeting uh

and after this meeting we'll uh we'll have a lunch. Good. Um. Maybe um why uh Anna can you c do you have a presentations ?


Uh.  So  And then uh we will close this meeting uh

and after this meeting we'll uh we'll have a lunch. Good. Um. Maybe um why uh Anna can you c do you have a presentations ?


and after this meeting we'll uh we'll have a lunch. Good. Um. Maybe um why uh Anna can you c do you have a presentations ?


I c I can talk about it but I have no slides or anything.


I c I can talk about it but I have no slides or anything.

Yes yes maybe maybe you can uh can just talk about it or maybe you can use the whiteboard if necessary um.


I c I can talk about it but I have no slides or anything.

Yes yes maybe maybe you can uh can just talk about it or maybe you can use the whiteboard if necessary um.

Mm-hmm. Well I've just been um presented with some research we've done in a small focus group so , a hundred people , just asked them about their remote control usage habits and what they want in a remote control. Um. It's  probably can't email this to you , I've just got a web page with some data on it. Um basically it's saying that users generally dislike the look and feel of their remote controls. Um seventy five u seventy five percent of users find most remote controls ugly. Um.


Yes yes maybe maybe you can uh can just talk about it or maybe you can use the whiteboard if necessary um.

Mm-hmm. Well I've just been um presented with some research we've done in a small focus group so , a hundred people , just asked them about their remote control usage habits and what they want in a remote control. Um. It's  probably can't email this to you , I've just got a web page with some data on it. Um basically it's saying that users generally dislike the look and feel of their remote controls. Um seventy five u seventy five percent of users find most remote controls ugly. Um.

Eighty percent of users would spend more money when a remote control would look fancy. Um. Current remote controls do not match well the operating behaviour of the user. Uh seventy five percent of users said they zap a lot , so they use their remote control quite frequently while they're watching television. Uh. Fifty percent of users say that they only use ten percent of the buttons , so they've got a remote control with a lot of functionality but really most of the time they only use a small part of that.


Mm-hmm. Well I've just been um presented with some research we've done in a small focus group so , a hundred people , just asked them about their remote control usage habits and what they want in a remote control. Um. It's  probably can't email this to you , I've just got a web page with some data on it. Um basically it's saying that users generally dislike the look and feel of their remote controls. Um seventy five u seventy five percent of users find most remote controls ugly. Um.

Eighty percent of users would spend more money when a remote control would look fancy. Um. Current remote controls do not match well the operating behaviour of the user. Uh seventy five percent of users said they zap a lot , so they use their remote control quite frequently while they're watching television. Uh. Fifty percent of users say that they only use ten percent of the buttons , so they've got a remote control with a lot of functionality but really most of the time they only use a small part of that.


Eighty percent of users would spend more money when a remote control would look fancy. Um. Current remote controls do not match well the operating behaviour of the user. Uh seventy five percent of users said they zap a lot , so they use their remote control quite frequently while they're watching television. Uh. Fifty percent of users say that they only use ten percent of the buttons , so they've got a remote control with a lot of functionality but really most of the time they only use a small part of that.


Eighty percent of users would spend more money when a remote control would look fancy. Um. Current remote controls do not match well the operating behaviour of the user. Uh seventy five percent of users said they zap a lot , so they use their remote control quite frequently while they're watching television. Uh. Fifty percent of users say that they only use ten percent of the buttons , so they've got a remote control with a lot of functionality but really most of the time they only use a small part of that.

Do you Do you have this uh information on the web page you said ?


Do you Do you have this uh information on the web page you said ?


Do you Do you have this uh information on the web page you said ?

Yes , mayb maybe you can can send an email to me later uh. Uh about this.


Do you Do you have this uh information on the web page you said ?

Yes , mayb maybe you can can send an email to me later uh. Uh about this.

Yep. Yep , sure. Mm-hmm. So basically um there's a breakdown of how much they use the different functions on a rem remote control. Um , power and volume selection are only used a few times within this uh per hour. Um , channel selection is used a hundred and sixty eight times um  and then there's things like channel settings , audio settings , which are only used very infrequently.


Yes , mayb maybe you can can send an email to me later uh. Uh about this.

Yep. Yep , sure. Mm-hmm. So basically um there's a breakdown of how much they use the different functions on a rem remote control. Um , power and volume selection are only used a few times within this uh per hour. Um , channel selection is used a hundred and sixty eight times um  and then there's things like channel settings , audio settings , which are only used very infrequently.


Yes , mayb maybe you can can send an email to me later uh. Uh about this.

Yep. Yep , sure. Mm-hmm. So basically um there's a breakdown of how much they use the different functions on a rem remote control. Um , power and volume selection are only used a few times within this uh per hour. Um , channel selection is used a hundred and sixty eight times um  and then there's things like channel settings , audio settings , which are only used very infrequently.

Um. Teletext is used um fourteen times in the hour , so it is used but not nearly as much as the channel selection is used. Um.


Yep. Yep , sure. Mm-hmm. So basically um there's a breakdown of how much they use the different functions on a rem remote control. Um , power and volume selection are only used a few times within this uh per hour. Um , channel selection is used a hundred and sixty eight times um  and then there's things like channel settings , audio settings , which are only used very infrequently.

Um. Teletext is used um fourteen times in the hour , so it is used but not nearly as much as the channel selection is used. Um.


Um. Teletext is used um fourteen times in the hour , so it is used but not nearly as much as the channel selection is used. Um.

An interesting thing that this report has brought up is that um fifty fifty percent of users report that the remote control gets lost a lot of the time in the room , so some way of some way of locating the remote control would be very useful to a lot of users. Um.


An interesting thing that this report has brought up is that um fifty fifty percent of users report that the remote control gets lost a lot of the time in the room , so some way of some way of locating the remote control would be very useful to a lot of users. Um.

Thirty four percent said it takes too long to learn to use a remote control , they want something that's easier to use straight away , more intuitive perhaps.


Thirty four percent said it takes too long to learn to use a remote control , they want something that's easier to use straight away , more intuitive perhaps.


Thirty four percent said it takes too long to learn to use a remote control , they want something that's easier to use straight away , more intuitive perhaps.

It's it's easy to learn or how do you say it's


It's it's easy to learn or how do you say it's

Thirty four percent said it took too much time to learn to use a new one. Yep.


It's it's easy to learn or how do you say it's

Thirty four percent said it took too much time to learn to use a new one. Yep.

Um. And thirty  twenty six percent said remote controls are bad for R_S_I_.


Thirty four percent said it took too much time to learn to use a new one. Yep.

Um. And thirty  twenty six percent said remote controls are bad for R_S_I_.


Um. And thirty  twenty six percent said remote controls are bad for R_S_I_.

I don't know how we'd go about combating that.


I don't know how we'd go about combating that.

For R_S_I_ ? Respet Repetitive strain injury.


For R_S_I_ ? Respet Repetitive strain injury.


For R_S_I_ ? Respet Repetitive strain injury.

Mm. They think that or do their doctor the doctor says ?


Mm. They think that or do their doctor the doctor says ?


Mm. They think that or do their doctor the doctor says ?

But it's it's the opinion of the uh of the users huh ?


But it's it's the opinion of the uh of the users huh ?


But it's it's the opinion of the uh of the users huh ?

Um and then it's got a demographic breakdown on


Um and then it's got a demographic breakdown on

Maybe y y you cannot put this webpage online on the


Um and then it's got a demographic breakdown on

Maybe y y you cannot put this webpage online on the

Uh I should be able to actually , if I email it to you now.


Maybe y y you cannot put this webpage online on the

Uh I should be able to actually , if I email it to you now.


Uh I should be able to actually , if I email it to you now.


Ah it's  it okay it's a webpage on the C_ it's a file


O otherwise you yeah. You can connect this one.


O otherwise you yeah. You can connect this one.

Then you can connect this one or this one yeah.


Then you can connect this one or this one yeah.


So these are important numbers that Matthew and I need to take into account for our functional um


So these are important numbers that Matthew and I need to take into account for our functional um

Oh I need to muck around with this. It's probably easier if you put it on yours and then I'll just email it to you. It's just a web link.


Oh I need to muck around with this. It's probably easier if you put it on yours and then I'll just email it to you. It's just a web link.


Yeah these numbers have have to be have to be taken into account for the uh both yeah user interface and functional design.


Yeah these numbers have have to be have to be taken into account for the uh both yeah user interface and functional design.

One thing it goes on to talk about , which is interesting , is the  hang on a minute.


Yeah these numbers have have to be have to be taken into account for the uh both yeah user interface and functional design.

One thing it goes on to talk about , which is interesting , is the  hang on a minute.

Because if there are many numbers and we need to select to to constraint uh our design based on what is more important.


One thing it goes on to talk about , which is interesting , is the  hang on a minute.

Because if there are many numbers and we need to select to to constraint uh our design based on what is more important.


Because if there are many numbers and we need to select to to constraint uh our design based on what is more important.

Um , one thing is interesting is talking about um speech recognition in a remote control.


Um , one thing is interesting is talking about um speech recognition in a remote control.


Um , one thing is interesting is talking about um speech recognition in a remote control.

And who would pay more for that and whether people would find it useful.


And who would pay more for that and whether people would find it useful.


So that we don't  Do we not need any button on the remote control


yeah I think that would not work so well. You wanna have both options.


yeah I think that would not work so well. You wanna have both options.

Well it would it would be a solution for uh when your remote control is lost ,


Well it would it would be a solution for uh when your remote control is lost ,

I mean when it has speech recognition then uh i then it doesn't matter where it is , my  well it's  we should be in range ,


I mean when it has speech recognition then uh i then it doesn't matter where it is , my  well it's  we should be in range ,


I mean when it has speech recognition then uh i then it doesn't matter where it is , my  well it's  we should be in range ,

or maybe it can respond and produce sound , so say where it is. But the these are all quite fancy features


or maybe it can respond and produce sound , so say where it is. But the these are all quite fancy features


or maybe it can respond and produce sound , so say where it is. But the these are all quite fancy features

I'm not sure whether we will we can make this for  for twelve Euro fi and fifty cents .


I'm not sure whether we will we can make this for  for twelve Euro fi and fifty cents .


And we don't know where the state of the art of speech recognition is , maybe you know ?


And we don't know where the state of the art of speech recognition is , maybe you know ?

Oh. Well ,  it depends you know like there is uh it's a very small vocabulary that you want to do the operations like you want to say on , off , one , two , twenty three ,


And we don't know where the state of the art of speech recognition is , maybe you know ?

Oh. Well ,  it depends you know like there is uh it's a very small vocabulary that you want to do the operations like you want to say on , off , one , two , twenty three ,

But it's quite noisy if there is the T_V_ uh shouting.


Oh. Well ,  it depends you know like there is uh it's a very small vocabulary that you want to do the operations like you want to say on , off , one , two , twenty three ,

But it's quite noisy if there is the T_V_ uh shouting.


But it's quite noisy if there is the T_V_ uh shouting.


it's not going to be s so easy but u usually it's going to be more of an isolated case


it's not going to be s so easy but u usually it's going to be more of an isolated case

but it's  but I don't know with twenty fi


but it's  but I don't know with twenty fi


This is now talking about um who would pay for speech recognition in a remote control , who would pay more for it , um. Ninety percent of the fifteen to twenty five year old market said that they would pay more , it goes down from there , seventy six percent for twenty five to thirty five , thirty five percent for thirty five to forty five , um twenty two percent for forty five to fifty five and then eight percent for fifty five to sixty five.


Yeah , it really depends where we're gonna be targeting this product , um ,


Yeah , it really depends where we're gonna be targeting this product , um ,

which we'll be talking about later I think.


which we'll be talking about later I think.


Mm. So that's the figure that I was just talking about there , with the different demographics.


Mm. So that's the figure that I was just talking about there , with the different demographics.

Another thing it's talking about there is the L_C_D_ screen but there's no figures apparently on that.


Another thing it's talking about there is the L_C_D_ screen but there's no figures apparently on that.


Another thing it's talking about there is the L_C_D_ screen but there's no figures apparently on that.

Uh maybe uh Mael c c can you give uh uh your presentation uh ?


Uh maybe uh Mael c c can you give uh uh your presentation uh ?


I can move as far as   Maybe I take your chair ?


I can move as far as   Maybe I take your chair ?

It's a channel selection , a module  , this and this function ,


It's a channel selection , a module  , this and this function ,


It's a channel selection , a module  , this and this function ,

So I think as everybody knows uh I'm the uh Industrial Designer. And uh in this presentation uh this group presentation um  is gonna focus on the working design of the the remote control. Um I'd like first to give a quick a very simple introduction , how does it work , so that everybody knows even if you don't have a very uh technical background uh what is it because I think in the product it is important.


So I think as everybody knows uh I'm the uh Industrial Designer. And uh in this presentation uh this group presentation um  is gonna focus on the working design of the the remote control. Um I'd like first to give a quick a very simple introduction , how does it work , so that everybody knows even if you don't have a very uh technical background uh what is it because I think in the product it is important.


So I think as everybody knows uh I'm the uh Industrial Designer. And uh in this presentation uh this group presentation um  is gonna focus on the working design of the the remote control. Um I'd like first to give a quick a very simple introduction , how does it work , so that everybody knows even if you don't have a very uh technical background uh what is it because I think in the product it is important.

So basically um the basic function of a remote control is to send uh messages to another system that is fixed.


So basically um the basic function of a remote control is to send uh messages to another system that is fixed.

And so an energy source feeds an integrated circuit , the chip , that can compose messages , usually uh through a um infrared bit


And so an energy source feeds an integrated circuit , the chip , that can compose messages , usually uh through a um infrared bit

and uh the user interface controls the chip and accordingly the the messages , alright. So my method for um designing the yeah the work design uh yeah first  the the main point is that I would wish to to make a really functional product. I would prefer to have very functional um capabilities rather than fancy stuff that in fact is not used and doesn't work.


and uh the user interface controls the chip and accordingly the the messages , alright. So my method for um designing the yeah the work design uh yeah first  the the main point is that I would wish to to make a really functional product. I would prefer to have very functional um capabilities rather than fancy stuff that in fact is not used and doesn't work.


and uh the user interface controls the chip and accordingly the the messages , alright. So my method for um designing the yeah the work design uh yeah first  the the main point is that I would wish to to make a really functional product. I would prefer to have very functional um capabilities rather than fancy stuff that in fact is not used and doesn't work.

So for that yeah as it's important to take into account the user requirements from the Marketing uh Expert uh Anna


So for that yeah as it's important to take into account the user requirements from the Marketing uh Expert uh Anna


So for that yeah as it's important to take into account the user requirements from the Marketing uh Expert uh Anna

and um w to to we should agree on what are the technical functions uh for this remote control and I show you the the working design. So um basically uh here is a really large view of what we want . Uh we want an on off button , it can be uh  it's simple but it's it's important , and also uh  the to both channels as well as other buttons that come after ,


and um w to to we should agree on what are the technical functions uh for this remote control and I show you the the working design. So um basically uh here is a really large view of what we want . Uh we want an on off button , it can be uh  it's simple but it's it's important , and also uh  the to both channels as well as other buttons that come after ,

right. So the components I quickly draw here , is that in this part you have the remote control the the sender and on the other part the receiver so that's  my method is um will be to well my aim would be to uh design the and choose the chips and the infrared um components to build the remote control


right. So the components I quickly draw here , is that in this part you have the remote control the the sender and on the other part the receiver so that's  my method is um will be to well my aim would be to uh design the and choose the chips and the infrared um components to build the remote control


So of course we need energy sources and uh uh the receiver a a receiver. This is  very quick uh design , uh you stop me or interrupt me if uh you don't agree on it on that.


So of course we need energy sources and uh uh the receiver a a receiver. This is  very quick uh design , uh you stop me or interrupt me if uh you don't agree on it on that.

And um so what I have found and  after a lot of work actually I  I draw this I draw for you this uh schema


And um so what I have found and  after a lot of work actually I  I draw this I draw for you this uh schema


And um so what I have found and  after a lot of work actually I  I draw this I draw for you this uh schema

that can be maybe too technical for you but is very important for me


that can be maybe too technical for you but is very important for me


And uh that's it so I won't go into details about that


And uh that's it so I won't go into details about that

but uh these are my preferences to use uh that kind of components.


but uh these are my preferences to use uh that kind of components.

And and why do you want these kind of component ?


but uh these are my preferences to use uh that kind of components.

And and why do you want these kind of component ?

I mean , are they cheap , or are they uh reliable ? What were your


And and why do you want these kind of component ?

I mean , are they cheap , or are they uh reliable ? What were your

found and yeah th you have always a compromise with uh reliability and uh i if it's expensive ,


I mean , are they cheap , or are they uh reliable ? What were your

found and yeah th you have always a compromise with uh reliability and uh i if it's expensive ,


I mean , are they cheap , or are they uh reliable ? What were your

found and yeah th you have always a compromise with uh reliability and uh i if it's expensive ,

but uh this one was not this one also really uh reliable um so yeah that's it for the working design , uh I hope you get clearer view on uh what what a remote control is uh in terms of uh technical components


found and yeah th you have always a compromise with uh reliability and uh i if it's expensive ,

but uh this one was not this one also really uh reliable um so yeah that's it for the working design , uh I hope you get clearer view on uh what what a remote control is uh in terms of uh technical components


but uh this one was not this one also really uh reliable um so yeah that's it for the working design , uh I hope you get clearer view on uh what what a remote control is uh in terms of uh technical components


But is it uh can you just buy it on the market and f plug it in or you want to ma


But is it uh can you just buy it on the market and f plug it in or you want to ma

No no no no we we will uh  This is a preference but we can always change uh


But is it uh can you just buy it on the market and f plug it in or you want to ma

No no no no we we will uh  This is a preference but we can always change uh

Mm-hmm. What I w what I was thinking about uh the the the schema uh about uh the sender and the receiver , I mean can you can you get back to it ?


No no no no we we will uh  This is a preference but we can always change uh

Mm-hmm. What I w what I was thinking about uh the the the schema uh about uh the sender and the receiver , I mean can you can you get back to it ?

Yeah uh , the receiver is of course already in the television and we are not uh able to change it. So we we must adapt to the to the receiver.


Mm-hmm. What I w what I was thinking about uh the the the schema uh about uh the sender and the receiver , I mean can you can you get back to it ?

Yeah uh , the receiver is of course already in the television and we are not uh able to change it. So we we must adapt to the to the receiver.


Yeah uh , the receiver is of course already in the television and we are not uh able to change it. So we we must adapt to the to the receiver.

I I suppose there is a standard uh way of communicating to televisions uh.


Yeah uh , the receiver is of course already in the television and we are not uh able to change it. So we we must adapt to the to the receiver.

I I suppose there is a standard uh way of communicating to televisions uh.

Yeah. We will use uh  infrared protocol uh using  yeah infrared and uh and of course we need to adapt to that protocol that already exists


I I suppose there is a standard uh way of communicating to televisions uh.

Yeah. We will use uh  infrared protocol uh using  yeah infrared and uh and of course we need to adapt to that protocol that already exists


I I suppose there is a standard uh way of communicating to televisions uh.

Yeah. We will use uh  infrared protocol uh using  yeah infrared and uh and of course we need to adapt to that protocol that already exists

and but we what we can do is uh uh adapting  the the chips inside uh to the best uh chips and uh infrared bubbles.


Yeah. We will use uh  infrared protocol uh using  yeah infrared and uh and of course we need to adapt to that protocol that already exists

and but we what we can do is uh uh adapting  the the chips inside uh to the best uh chips and uh infrared bubbles.


and but we what we can do is uh uh adapting  the the chips inside uh to the best uh chips and uh infrared bubbles.


Well it to du it's just you had to change the frequencies.


people are sometime becoming problem , like a guy has recently designed a remote uh uh uh which could switch off any other T_V_s  , so basically  through all the things.


Of course yeah we should take that into account


Of course yeah we should take that into account

So if the b T_V_ in the next apartment's really loud , you can just turn it off.


So if the b T_V_ in the next apartment's really loud , you can just turn it off.


Yeah so you can just go on the street and then switch off everyone's T_V_  and you can just walk away


Yeah so you can just go on the street and then switch off everyone's T_V_  and you can just walk away

You don't have to be near the T_V_ at all .


Yeah so you can just go on the street and then switch off everyone's T_V_  and you can just walk away

You don't have to be near the T_V_ at all .

I I feel I I I think M Mael will will consider this uh th these things.


You don't have to be near the T_V_ at all .

I I feel I I I think M Mael will will consider this uh th these things.

Maybe Maybe we can go to to your presentation uh Matthew.


I I feel I I I think M Mael will will consider this uh th these things.

Maybe Maybe we can go to to your presentation uh Matthew.


Maybe Maybe we can go to to your presentation uh Matthew.


Okay.  So I can take I think mine now there.


Okay.  So I can take I think mine now there.

Hmm I can take mine it's okay , voila , mm so mm. Okay.


Hmm I can take mine it's okay , voila , mm so mm. Okay.


Well. So um I'm going to talk a little bit about the technical function so wha what actually it's about what is the user going to do , I think my last presented what is going inside ,


Well. So um I'm going to talk a little bit about the technical function so wha what actually it's about what is the user going to do , I think my last presented what is going inside ,

so what's the user is going to see from the outside and how he is going to use it. So well the approach is that uh basically the idea is to send a message to the T_V_ set , as Mael has pointed , and it will be decoded by the T_V_ and usually we it is easier to have uh keys or buttons with which people can uh press and then um changing a button will basically uh change the message which is being sent to the T_V_ and uh  um


so what's the user is going to see from the outside and how he is going to use it. So well the approach is that uh basically the idea is to send a message to the T_V_ set , as Mael has pointed , and it will be decoded by the T_V_ and usually we it is easier to have uh keys or buttons with which people can uh press and then um changing a button will basically uh change the message which is being sent to the T_V_ and uh  um

a and basically it sends an internal signal and decoded by the receiver. So p as um Anna has said that this ki people are interested in things which are you don't need to k press the keys , people are can have a speech recognition but this is uh s a question which will we have to see later.


a and basically it sends an internal signal and decoded by the receiver. So p as um Anna has said that this ki people are interested in things which are you don't need to k press the keys , people are can have a speech recognition but this is uh s a question which will we have to see later.

But in the present scenario is that you have certain keys and you press it like your mobile phone , and it sends a message to the T_V_.


But in the present scenario is that you have certain keys and you press it like your mobile phone , and it sends a message to the T_V_.


But in the present scenario is that you have certain keys and you press it like your mobile phone , and it sends a message to the T_V_.

And um so generally mm I don't have some figures sorry but um so there are two kinds of uh remote if you popularly in the household , actually so you have a standard T_V_ remote where you have just a on , off button and play , uh volume change and uh keys for the number and more than one digit option. And if you see for example righ right now uh uh even the one uh on more than one digit option is for two digit channel which is like ninety nine , but  tomorrow you might have one fifty channels you know to browse or two hundred channels to browse who knows , but uh uh. Then there is uh  this is the standard one with without any fancy thing you know like i it doesn't have teletext option , it can without any , it's a very simple thing , um which which you can vouch . And then you have uh what's the v video remote file which is like usually it has almost all the keys over there and , but it then it has other options like stop uh and then you play the movie or uh or fo fast forward the movie or something like that so i it has those


And um so generally mm I don't have some figures sorry but um so there are two kinds of uh remote if you popularly in the household , actually so you have a standard T_V_ remote where you have just a on , off button and play , uh volume change and uh keys for the number and more than one digit option. And if you see for example righ right now uh uh even the one uh on more than one digit option is for two digit channel which is like ninety nine , but  tomorrow you might have one fifty channels you know to browse or two hundred channels to browse who knows , but uh uh. Then there is uh  this is the standard one with without any fancy thing you know like i it doesn't have teletext option , it can without any , it's a very simple thing , um which which you can vouch . And then you have uh what's the v video remote file which is like usually it has almost all the keys over there and , but it then it has other options like stop uh and then you play the movie or uh or fo fast forward the movie or something like that so i it has those


And um so generally mm I don't have some figures sorry but um so there are two kinds of uh remote if you popularly in the household , actually so you have a standard T_V_ remote where you have just a on , off button and play , uh volume change and uh keys for the number and more than one digit option. And if you see for example righ right now uh uh even the one uh on more than one digit option is for two digit channel which is like ninety nine , but  tomorrow you might have one fifty channels you know to browse or two hundred channels to browse who knows , but uh uh. Then there is uh  this is the standard one with without any fancy thing you know like i it doesn't have teletext option , it can without any , it's a very simple thing , um which which you can vouch . And then you have uh what's the v video remote file which is like usually it has almost all the keys over there and , but it then it has other options like stop uh and then you play the movie or uh or fo fast forward the movie or something like that so i it has those

so these are the standard uh commonly found remote controls in the uh market. And then  whi which is generally used by the people. And then  well personal preferences I would  uh basically think of having a kind of aim for the next generation thing where the  we could have both the uh the f a T_V_ and the remote  video remote control because uh some of the keys in the video's remote control and the T_V_ they could be integrated together so that uh we could um aim for the like in the f coming future um that type of uh applications with


And um so generally mm I don't have some figures sorry but um so there are two kinds of uh remote if you popularly in the household , actually so you have a standard T_V_ remote where you have just a on , off button and play , uh volume change and uh keys for the number and more than one digit option. And if you see for example righ right now uh uh even the one uh on more than one digit option is for two digit channel which is like ninety nine , but  tomorrow you might have one fifty channels you know to browse or two hundred channels to browse who knows , but uh uh. Then there is uh  this is the standard one with without any fancy thing you know like i it doesn't have teletext option , it can without any , it's a very simple thing , um which which you can vouch . And then you have uh what's the v video remote file which is like usually it has almost all the keys over there and , but it then it has other options like stop uh and then you play the movie or uh or fo fast forward the movie or something like that so i it has those

so these are the standard uh commonly found remote controls in the uh market. And then  whi which is generally used by the people. And then  well personal preferences I would  uh basically think of having a kind of aim for the next generation thing where the  we could have both the uh the f a T_V_ and the remote  video remote control because uh some of the keys in the video's remote control and the T_V_ they could be integrated together so that uh we could um aim for the like in the f coming future um that type of uh applications with

Okay. How would that work ? So you've got say maybe a V_C_R_ and a T_V_ which are separate ,


so these are the standard uh commonly found remote controls in the uh market. And then  whi which is generally used by the people. And then  well personal preferences I would  uh basically think of having a kind of aim for the next generation thing where the  we could have both the uh the f a T_V_ and the remote  video remote control because uh some of the keys in the video's remote control and the T_V_ they could be integrated together so that uh we could um aim for the like in the f coming future um that type of uh applications with

Okay. How would that work ? So you've got say maybe a V_C_R_ and a T_V_ which are separate ,

so you  on my one at home I've got a V_C_R_ remote which then changes the channel on the V_C_R_ and doesn't do anything on the T_V_ ,


Okay. How would that work ? So you've got say maybe a V_C_R_ and a T_V_ which are separate ,

so you  on my one at home I've got a V_C_R_ remote which then changes the channel on the V_C_R_ and doesn't do anything on the T_V_ ,

so is it gonna be like a switch on the remote that says t use the T_V_ or use the V_C_R_ ?


so you  on my one at home I've got a V_C_R_ remote which then changes the channel on the V_C_R_ and doesn't do anything on the T_V_ ,

so is it gonna be like a switch on the remote that says t use the T_V_ or use the V_C_R_ ?


so is it gonna be like a switch on the remote that says t use the T_V_ or use the V_C_R_ ?

or does it know which one you want to use ?


so is it gonna be like a switch on the remote that says t use the T_V_ or use the V_C_R_ ?

or does it know which one you want to use ?

Um actually um you could you could think of um having s a y you can have a key which could tell y it could go to the video thing


or does it know which one you want to use ?

Um actually um you could you could think of um having s a y you can have a key which could tell y it could go to the video thing


or does it know which one you want to use ?

Um actually um you could you could think of um having s a y you can have a key which could tell y it could go to the video thing

but um uh yo you you you still can't um in that case when it you use that the function should be able to take up the V_C_R_ option


Um actually um you could you could think of um having s a y you can have a key which could tell y it could go to the video thing

but um uh yo you you you still can't um in that case when it you use that the function should be able to take up the V_C_R_ option


but um uh yo you you you still can't um in that case when it you use that the function should be able to take up the V_C_R_ option

and you could play it or  You can also think about having like um   I in a few days you will be ha in in few ye coming years you might even have a system where you have a separate uh sitting setup box


and you could play it or  You can also think about having like um   I in a few days you will be ha in in few ye coming years you might even have a system where you have a separate uh sitting setup box

and uh you have uh um something like uh uh you do you do you suppose you are not able to watch some programme and actually it downloading all the time for you


and uh you have uh um something like uh uh you do you do you suppose you are not able to watch some programme and actually it downloading all the time for you

and uh you can just you know uh when you come back you could just switch on that thing and uh watch a program.


and uh you can just you know uh when you come back you could just switch on that thing and uh watch a program.

In that case you want to browse faster , browse slow , you want to have those kind of functionalities .


In that case you want to browse faster , browse slow , you want to have those kind of functionalities .


These are kind of next generation  functionalities.


These are kind of next generation  functionalities.

but it is going to come in couple of years.


but it is going to come in couple of years.


but it is going to come in couple of years.

but I think it's i i it's already there ,


but I think it's i i it's already there ,

I mean the hard disk uh recorders uh I I've seen them in the shop.


I mean the hard disk uh recorders uh I I've seen them in the shop.


it's going to record your things and you and you you need basically the functionalities what you need in both uh uh video as well as in the standard T_V_ thing.


it's going to record your things and you and you you need basically the functionalities what you need in both uh uh video as well as in the standard T_V_ thing.

Mm. Yeah. That's fair enough. Mm. But I don't think we're trying to make a universal remote here. That's ,


it's going to record your things and you and you you need basically the functionalities what you need in both uh uh video as well as in the standard T_V_ thing.

Mm. Yeah. That's fair enough. Mm. But I don't think we're trying to make a universal remote here. That's ,

No no we are not making a universal remote ,


Mm. Yeah. That's fair enough. Mm. But I don't think we're trying to make a universal remote here. That's ,

No no we are not making a universal remote ,

we are just looking at uh giving a scenario , I have a T_V_ and tomorrow I am going to have set up box


No no we are not making a universal remote ,

we are just looking at uh giving a scenario , I have a T_V_ and tomorrow I am going to have set up box


we are just looking at uh giving a scenario , I have a T_V_ and tomorrow I am going to have set up box

which is going to sit there and uh it's going to do that job for me.


which is going to sit there and uh it's going to do that job for me.

W w w w we need to decide on on on on in how far we go to in this.


W w w w we need to decide on on on on in how far we go to in this.

Mean , you can go  pretty far I f I think with with with functions and possible uh future p uh prospects


Mean , you can go  pretty far I f I think with with with functions and possible uh future p uh prospects


Well. So we can always discuss about it for example uh the presently the video market actually uh this demand , video over-demand or what we call it as , it's presently  booming up actually


Well. So we can always discuss about it for example uh the presently the video market actually uh this demand , video over-demand or what we call it as , it's presently  booming up actually

so it i like people are providing like uh things like uh uh movies , you can select actually so you want to watch a movie and uh your p your provider gives a list of movies , and then you select those list.


so it i like people are providing like uh things like uh uh movies , you can select actually so you want to watch a movie and uh your p your provider gives a list of movies , and then you select those list.


basically you go off , it downloads the movie , it gives for you


basically you go off , it downloads the movie , it gives for you

and then when you come you want to loo watch it on your T_V_.


and then when you come you want to loo watch it on your T_V_.


and then when you come you want to loo watch it on your T_V_.

Or even you don't need to download it , it's streamed uh online uh yeah. Yeah.


Or even you don't need to download it , it's streamed uh online uh yeah. Yeah.

Yeah it can be streamed online for you and you can say what time I want to watch the movie


Yeah it can be streamed online for you and you can say what time I want to watch the movie


I have uh received some some some some well points of of thinking over of my account manager and uh I would like to share them with you. Um


I have uh received some some some some well points of of thinking over of my account manager and uh I would like to share them with you. Um

first thing is uh teletext is a well known feature of televisions


first thing is uh teletext is a well known feature of televisions


first thing is uh teletext is a well known feature of televisions

but it's it's getting used less and less.


but it's it's getting used less and less.

That's that's especially because of the internet of course.


That's that's especially because of the internet of course.

So we should think about it um. Do we include it , and do we give it a prominent uh prominent uh place on on on the on well huh on the remote mot control itself.


So we should think about it um. Do we include it , and do we give it a prominent uh prominent uh place on on on the on well huh on the remote mot control itself.

Uh as uh a in any case it's it's not used , well very much , but it's it is still used. Um


Uh as uh a in any case it's it's not used , well very much , but it's it is still used. Um


Uh as uh a in any case it's it's not used , well very much , but it's it is still used. Um

further yes we must think , uh do we stay uh to to television only , the television as we as we all know it with with broadcasting signals and you can't go back uh huh , or do we uh uh go further as Matthew indicated by supporting uh uh recording uh devices ?


further yes we must think , uh do we stay uh to to television only , the television as we as we all know it with with broadcasting signals and you can't go back uh huh , or do we uh uh go further as Matthew indicated by supporting uh uh recording uh devices ?


And and and the hard disk recorders. Um , furthermore , uh , w we need really need to interest uh  y younger customers and then with younger customers I mean people uh below the age of forty ,


And and and the hard disk recorders. Um , furthermore , uh , w we need really need to interest uh  y younger customers and then with younger customers I mean people uh below the age of forty ,

and our our current customers are mainly forty plus


and our our current customers are mainly forty plus


that's to that's I mean there's a market but uh they will grow older  older


that's to that's I mean there's a market but uh they will grow older  older

and you'll al  always need to have the the future with younger people.


that's to that's I mean there's a market but uh they will grow older  older

and you'll al  always need to have the the future with younger people.

Um therefore ,  younger people like trendy  trendy designs , so that's w we should make our our our R_C_ as trendy as possible but it should also be uh have a reliable image , so when it looks too too spacey or too fancy people will think well does it work at all.


and you'll al  always need to have the the future with younger people.

Um therefore ,  younger people like trendy  trendy designs , so that's w we should make our our our R_C_ as trendy as possible but it should also be uh have a reliable image , so when it looks too too spacey or too fancy people will think well does it work at all.


Um therefore ,  younger people like trendy  trendy designs , so that's w we should make our our our R_C_ as trendy as possible but it should also be uh have a reliable image , so when it looks too too spacey or too fancy people will think well does it work at all.


Um therefore ,  younger people like trendy  trendy designs , so that's w we should make our our our R_C_ as trendy as possible but it should also be uh have a reliable image , so when it looks too too spacey or too fancy people will think well does it work at all.

Yeah it's uh well you you can follow the ideas how you want to keep the keys , you know right now if you take it you have like zero , one , two , three like a keys separately ,


Yeah it's uh well you you can follow the ideas how you want to keep the keys , you know right now if you take it you have like zero , one , two , three like a keys separately ,


Yeah it's uh well you you can follow the ideas how you want to keep the keys , you know right now if you take it you have like zero , one , two , three like a keys separately ,

but suppose if you take the the present trend of mobile phones there are like big thick keys


but suppose if you take the the present trend of mobile phones there are like big thick keys

you press on the top , it takes one number , you press on the bottom it takes another number , and uh basically uh uh so the space covered so that you don't see two separate keys there actually


you press on the top , it takes one number , you press on the bottom it takes another number , and uh basically uh uh so the space covered so that you don't see two separate keys there actually

so it it is like uh um i i it is like uh


so it it is like uh um i i it is like uh

Ma Maybe Maybe you can draw it on the on the board uh


so it it is like uh um i i it is like uh

Ma Maybe Maybe you can draw it on the on the board uh

Mm. But I think taking the idea of getting inspiration from mobile phones is interesting , especially if we're going after a younger market ,


Ma Maybe Maybe you can draw it on the on the board uh

Mm. But I think taking the idea of getting inspiration from mobile phones is interesting , especially if we're going after a younger market ,


Mm. But I think taking the idea of getting inspiration from mobile phones is interesting , especially if we're going after a younger market ,


that's the the the mm the new and the funky things ,


that's the the the mm the new and the funky things ,

Because they are already used to that , you know , product.


Because they are already used to that , you know , product.


yeah , there's lot there's lots of pretty mobile phones , not too many pretty remote controls.


yeah , there's lot there's lots of pretty mobile phones , not too many pretty remote controls.

And and they are skilled uh by using it.


And and they are skilled uh by using it.


Okay , it works. Fine. So , for example you have uh presently uh keys like one , two , three like this , actually , and uh uh four five six like that and uh you can have keys like this in form like uh keys like that


Mm-hmm. Okay. How much longer have we got for the meeting by the way ?


Mm-hmm. Okay. How much longer have we got for the meeting by the way ?

'Cause we haven't talked about demographic at all


'Cause we haven't talked about demographic at all


Yeah so you you you can have uh keys like uh which are which are like so.  too sorry , so we basically don't change the uh original order of them


Yeah so you you you can have uh keys like uh which are which are like so.  too sorry , so we basically don't change the uh original order of them

they don't look uh  so there there is a very sligh thing , so if you press on the top it takes the one , it takes the three , uh four , sorry four here uh five and six ,


they don't look uh  so there there is a very sligh thing , so if you press on the top it takes the one , it takes the three , uh four , sorry four here uh five and six ,


they don't look uh  so there there is a very sligh thing , so if you press on the top it takes the one , it takes the three , uh four , sorry four here uh five and six ,

so the keys can be it looks you know not very much cluttered but it looks nice


so the keys can be it looks you know not very much cluttered but it looks nice


but you can have a lot of options t if you press on the to


but you can have a lot of options t if you press on the to

Okay. 'Kay I I think now that the idea's clear.


Okay. 'Kay I I think now that the idea's clear.

Uh we should now uh try to decide um on our target group.


Uh we should now uh try to decide um on our target group.


Uh we should now uh try to decide um on our target group.

Um , basically we're trying to get people to buy a remote control


Um , basically we're trying to get people to buy a remote control


Um , basically we're trying to get people to buy a remote control

wouldn't they already have a remote control with their television when they buy one ?


Um , basically we're trying to get people to buy a remote control

wouldn't they already have a remote control with their television when they buy one ?

Of course they have already one. So our our our remote control has to be better.


wouldn't they already have a remote control with their television when they buy one ?

Of course they have already one. So our our our remote control has to be better.

But it's not going to have more functionality ,


Of course they have already one. So our our our remote control has to be better.

But it's not going to have more functionality ,

'cause it's only a low market , it's a cheap-end remote control , we can't beat modern functionality , we might  we'll be able to  beat them on th the look of it , th the design of it but that's not a big seller , if they're not just going to buy a new remote control just 'cause it looks pretty , they have to actually need it as well.


But it's not going to have more functionality ,

'cause it's only a low market , it's a cheap-end remote control , we can't beat modern functionality , we might  we'll be able to  beat them on th the look of it , th the design of it but that's not a big seller , if they're not just going to buy a new remote control just 'cause it looks pretty , they have to actually need it as well.


'cause it's only a low market , it's a cheap-end remote control , we can't beat modern functionality , we might  we'll be able to  beat them on th the look of it , th the design of it but that's not a big seller , if they're not just going to buy a new remote control just 'cause it looks pretty , they have to actually need it as well.

So I'm not sure how we can get people to buy this thing.


'cause it's only a low market , it's a cheap-end remote control , we can't beat modern functionality , we might  we'll be able to  beat them on th the look of it , th the design of it but that's not a big seller , if they're not just going to buy a new remote control just 'cause it looks pretty , they have to actually need it as well.

So I'm not sure how we can get people to buy this thing.

Mm. I  well I think  many people said uh in your in in your research uh uh uh the appearance of the uh R_C_ is is important when they are buying one


So I'm not sure how we can get people to buy this thing.

Mm. I  well I think  many people said uh in your in in your research uh uh uh the appearance of the uh R_C_ is is important when they are buying one

Mm. Yeah. But why are they buying one in the first place ?


So I'm not sure how we can get people to buy this thing.

Mm. I  well I think  many people said uh in your in in your research uh uh uh the appearance of the uh R_C_ is is important when they are buying one

Mm. Yeah. But why are they buying one in the first place ?

but  Indeed. So that will be about functionality


Mm. I  well I think  many people said uh in your in in your research uh uh uh the appearance of the uh R_C_ is is important when they are buying one

Mm. Yeah. But why are they buying one in the first place ?

but  Indeed. So that will be about functionality

Mm. But if people are buying a new remote control for functionality they'll buy a universal remote. I've got friends who've got so many things they need a universal remote , otherwise they're using five different remotes for their all their things.


Mm. Yeah. But why are they buying one in the first place ?

but  Indeed. So that will be about functionality

Mm. But if people are buying a new remote control for functionality they'll buy a universal remote. I've got friends who've got so many things they need a universal remote , otherwise they're using five different remotes for their all their things.


but  Indeed. So that will be about functionality

Mm. But if people are buying a new remote control for functionality they'll buy a universal remote. I've got friends who've got so many things they need a universal remote , otherwise they're using five different remotes for their all their things.

In that case they wouldn't buy our product , because it doesn't give them what they need in terms of functionality.


Mm. But if people are buying a new remote control for functionality they'll buy a universal remote. I've got friends who've got so many things they need a universal remote , otherwise they're using five different remotes for their all their things.

In that case they wouldn't buy our product , because it doesn't give them what they need in terms of functionality.

So your you think we should go for a more u universal high-performance


In that case they wouldn't buy our product , because it doesn't give them what they need in terms of functionality.

So your you think we should go for a more u universal high-performance

Well , we can't , with the price range. We We're not building a universal remote , we're not building a high end product.


In that case they wouldn't buy our product , because it doesn't give them what they need in terms of functionality.

So your you think we should go for a more u universal high-performance

Well , we can't , with the price range. We We're not building a universal remote , we're not building a high end product.

What do  What do you think about  What componen


So your you think we should go for a more u universal high-performance

Well , we can't , with the price range. We We're not building a universal remote , we're not building a high end product.

What do  What do you think about  What componen

Yeah we have yeah twelve point five Euros uh per uh per R_ s R_C_


Well , we can't , with the price range. We We're not building a universal remote , we're not building a high end product.

What do  What do you think about  What componen

Yeah we have yeah twelve point five Euros uh per uh per R_ s R_C_


What do  What do you think about  What componen

Yeah we have yeah twelve point five Euros uh per uh per R_ s R_C_

and I think uh with this now you know that chips are very uh cheaps


Yeah we have yeah twelve point five Euros uh per uh per R_ s R_C_

and I think uh with this now you know that chips are very uh cheaps


and I think uh with this now you know that chips are very uh cheaps

and uh we can include it in our control some new new features.


and uh we can include it in our control some new new features.


and uh we can include it in our control some new new features.

But  yeah. If we're getting into universal remote territory , we're getting to L_C_D_ screens and things like that


But  yeah. If we're getting into universal remote territory , we're getting to L_C_D_ screens and things like that


But  yeah. If we're getting into universal remote territory , we're getting to L_C_D_ screens and things like that

I don't know. I don't know whether that's necessary.


I don't know. I don't know whether that's necessary.


I don't think L_C_D_ is not necessary  well , th for long term.


I don't think L_C_D_ is not necessary  well , th for long term.

I think thi this could be this could be a market because uh universal remote controls uh tend to be uh quite expensive.


I think thi this could be this could be a market because uh universal remote controls uh tend to be uh quite expensive.


and offer a product which is not as expensive and not as complicated


and offer a product which is not as expensive and not as complicated

Mm-hmm. Not as flexible maybe , yeah , but s


Mm-hmm. Not as flexible maybe , yeah , but s

but but still but still people have the idea this is more functional than a normal uh uh R_C_


but but still but still people have the idea this is more functional than a normal uh uh R_C_


but but still but still people have the idea this is more functional than a normal uh uh R_C_

because it has more uh it it is in some kind universal.


because it has more uh it it is in some kind universal.


because it has more uh it it is in some kind universal.

But if we're going for the say fifteen to twenty five age group then not many of them would actually own T_V_s to use a remote control on.


But if we're going for the say fifteen to twenty five age group then not many of them would actually own T_V_s to use a remote control on.

Mm yes but w we're targeting I think on more on the on the twenty to forty group.


But if we're going for the say fifteen to twenty five age group then not many of them would actually own T_V_s to use a remote control on.

Mm yes but w we're targeting I think on more on the on the twenty to forty group.

People  yes. Who just have or already have a job and have the money but may not want to spend that much money on a on a universal universal control.


Mm yes but w we're targeting I think on more on the on the twenty to forty group.

People  yes. Who just have or already have a job and have the money but may not want to spend that much money on a on a universal universal control.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yep. I don't know really what the the price range for remote controls is. Are we gonna be at the very bottom of the price range , or are we kind of middle to bottom ? I don't know.


People  yes. Who just have or already have a job and have the money but may not want to spend that much money on a on a universal universal control.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yep. I don't know really what the the price range for remote controls is. Are we gonna be at the very bottom of the price range , or are we kind of middle to bottom ? I don't know.


Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yep. I don't know really what the the price range for remote controls is. Are we gonna be at the very bottom of the price range , or are we kind of middle to bottom ? I don't know.

I think uh when we think it over I thi I think we are trying to offer the a kind of universal control for for less money.


I think uh when we think it over I thi I think we are trying to offer the a kind of universal control for for less money.


Well  Well I it's fine with me like the price as long as it is uh not too expensive.


Well  Well I it's fine with me like the price as long as it is uh not too expensive.

because we have to take into account that we are gonna b we are gonna sell uh four aro around four million so when we speak about these numbers uh the price of a chip is  uh price of a chip is very cheap.


because we have to take into account that we are gonna b we are gonna sell uh four aro around four million so when we speak about these numbers uh the price of a chip is  uh price of a chip is very cheap.


because we have to take into account that we are gonna b we are gonna sell uh four aro around four million so when we speak about these numbers uh the price of a chip is  uh price of a chip is very cheap.

So I'm okay for designing um a ne uh less  yeah a a kind of universal uh R_C_ yeah.


So I'm okay for designing um a ne uh less  yeah a a kind of universal uh R_C_ yeah.

Mm-hmm. You think it's possible for the twelve Euro fifty ?


So I'm okay for designing um a ne uh less  yeah a a kind of universal uh R_C_ yeah.

Mm-hmm. You think it's possible for the twelve Euro fifty ?

Okay. Um so then we we decide on on on going to this more universal kind of control.


Mm-hmm. You think it's possible for the twelve Euro fifty ?

Okay. Um so then we we decide on on on going to this more universal kind of control.

Uh yeah , that's that's what we needed basically.


Okay. Um so then we we decide on on on going to this more universal kind of control.

Uh yeah , that's that's what we needed basically.


Uh yeah , that's that's what we needed basically.

Uh that's needed right now. And uh basically you can look to the standards of other


Uh that's needed right now. And uh basically you can look to the standards of other


Uh that's needed right now. And uh basically you can look to the standards of other

And if we want to get the market , we really need that.


And if we want to get the market , we really need that.

Yeah. So I guess what I'd like from a universal remote is maybe choosing between three devices , being able to switch between them , there may be stereo , V_C_R_ and T_V_.


Yeah. So I guess what I'd like from a universal remote is maybe choosing between three devices , being able to switch between them , there may be stereo , V_C_R_ and T_V_.


And just be able to s use them all from the same remote , but not at the same time.


And just be able to s use them all from the same remote , but not at the same time.

Yeah you can also browse through all the standards you know , where are the limit of standards for all of them and you can just browse through them.


Yeah you can also browse through all the standards you know , where are the limit of standards for all of them and you can just browse through them.


So given we are going for this uh uh universal type uh m  maybe it is good when you try to find out which components you therefore need and y you will try to get more specific uh user interface content


and uh maybe you can look on on what trends are in this uh in this type of market.


Oh I don't have anything right now. We can we'll we'll go


and we'll I'm sure we'll up something good


So um Then th th the next meeting will uh


So um Then th th the next meeting will uh

after lunch you have uh we have uh thirty minutes of work and then we have the next meeting. But you will be informed via the computer.


after lunch you have uh we have uh thirty minutes of work and then we have the next meeting. But you will be informed via the computer.


So , I mean , everyone who 's on the wireless check that they 're on.


Oh , could you  close the door , maybe ? Yeah.


Oh , could you  close the door , maybe ? Yeah.

Sure. Two items , which was , uh , digits and possibly stuff on  on , uh , forced alignment , which Jane said that Liz and Andreas had in information on ,


Sure. Two items , which was , uh , digits and possibly stuff on  on , uh , forced alignment , which Jane said that Liz and Andreas had in information on ,

I guess the only other thing , uh , for which I


I guess the only other thing , uh , for which I


I guess the only other thing , uh , for which I

We should do that second , because Liz might join us in time for that.


We should do that second , because Liz might join us in time for that.

Um. OK , so there 's digits , alignments , and , um , I guess the other thing ,  which I came unprepared for , uh ,  is , uh , to dis s s see if there 's anything anybody wants to discuss about the Saturday meeting.


Um. OK , so there 's digits , alignments , and , um , I guess the other thing ,  which I came unprepared for , uh ,  is , uh , to dis s s see if there 's anything anybody wants to discuss about the Saturday meeting.


Talk about aligning people 's schedules.


Yeah. I mean  Right. Yeah , I mean , it was


Yeah. I mean  Right. Yeah , I mean , it was

Yeah , it 's forced alignment of people 's schedules.


Yeah , it 's forced alignment of people 's schedules.


With  with  whatever it was , a month and a half or something ahead of time , the only time we could find in common  roughly in common , was on a Saturday.


Have  Have we thought about having a conference call to include him in more of   in more of the meeting ? I  I mean , I don't know , if we had the  if we had the telephone on the table


Have  Have we thought about having a conference call to include him in more of   in more of the meeting ? I  I mean , I don't know , if we had the  if we had the telephone on the table

No. But , h I mean , he probably has to go do something.


Have  Have we thought about having a conference call to include him in more of   in more of the meeting ? I  I mean , I don't know , if we had the  if we had the telephone on the table

No. But , h I mean , he probably has to go do something.

No , actually I  I have to  I have to shuttle  kids from various places to various other places.


No. But , h I mean , he probably has to go do something.

No , actually I  I have to  I have to shuttle  kids from various places to various other places.


No , actually I  I have to  I have to shuttle  kids from various places to various other places.


So. And I don't have  and I don't , um , have a cell phone


So. And I don't have  and I don't , um , have a cell phone

so I can't be having a conference call while driving.


so I can't be having a conference call while driving.


Plus , it would make for interesting noise  background noise.


Plus , it would make for interesting noise  background noise.

So we have to equip him with a  with a   with a head - mounted , uh , cell phone


So we have to equip him with a  with a   with a head - mounted , uh , cell phone

Ye - we and we 'd have to force you to read lots and lots of digits ,


Ye - we and we 'd have to force you to read lots and lots of digits ,


I let , uh , my five - year - old have a try at the digits , eh.


I let , uh , my five - year - old have a try at the digits , eh.

So , anyway , I can talk about digits. Um , did everyone get the results or shall I go over them again ? I mean that it was basically  the only thing that was even slightly surprising was that the lapel did so well. Um , and in retrospect that 's not as surprising as maybe i it shouldn't have been as surprising as I  as  as I felt it was. The lapel mike is a very high - quality microphone. And as Morgan pointed out , that there are actually some advantages to it in terms of breath noises and clothes rustling  if no one else is talking.


So , anyway , I can talk about digits. Um , did everyone get the results or shall I go over them again ? I mean that it was basically  the only thing that was even slightly surprising was that the lapel did so well. Um , and in retrospect that 's not as surprising as maybe i it shouldn't have been as surprising as I  as  as I felt it was. The lapel mike is a very high - quality microphone. And as Morgan pointed out , that there are actually some advantages to it in terms of breath noises and clothes rustling  if no one else is talking.


Well , it 's  Yeah , sort of the bre the breath noises and the mouth clicks and so forth like that , the lapel 's gonna be better on.


Well , it 's  Yeah , sort of the bre the breath noises and the mouth clicks and so forth like that , the lapel 's gonna be better on.

The lapel is typically worse on the  on clothes rustling , but if no one 's rustling their clothes ,


The lapel is typically worse on the  on clothes rustling , but if no one 's rustling their clothes ,

Right. I mean , a lot of people are just sort of leaning over and reading the digits ,


The lapel is typically worse on the  on clothes rustling , but if no one 's rustling their clothes ,

Right. I mean , a lot of people are just sort of leaning over and reading the digits ,

so it 's  it 's a very different task than sort of the natural.


Right. I mean , a lot of people are just sort of leaning over and reading the digits ,

so it 's  it 's a very different task than sort of the natural.

Yeah. You don't move much during reading digits , I think.


so it 's  it 's a very different task than sort of the natural.

Yeah. You don't move much during reading digits , I think.


Yeah. You don't move much during reading digits , I think.


Probably the fact that it picks up other people 's speakers  other people 's talking is an indication of that it  the fact it is a good microphone.


Probably the fact that it picks up other people 's speakers  other people 's talking is an indication of that it  the fact it is a good microphone.

Right. So in the digits , in most  most cases , there weren't other people talking.


Right. So in the digits , in most  most cases , there weren't other people talking.


D do the lapel mikes have any directionality to them ?


D do the lapel mikes have any directionality to them ?

Because I  I suppose you could make some that have sort of  that you have to orient towards your mouth ,


Because I  I suppose you could make some that have sort of  that you have to orient towards your mouth ,


Because I  I suppose you could make some that have sort of  that you have to orient towards your mouth ,

but they 're not noise - cancelling. So , uh


but they 're not noise - cancelling. So , uh

They 're  they 're intended to be omni - directional.


but they 're not noise - cancelling. So , uh

They 're  they 're intended to be omni - directional.

And th it 's  and because you don't know how people are gonna put them on , you know.


They 're  they 're intended to be omni - directional.

And th it 's  and because you don't know how people are gonna put them on , you know.


And th it 's  and because you don't know how people are gonna put them on , you know.

Right. So , also , Andreas , on that one the  the back part of it should be right against your head. And that will he keep it from flopping aro up and down as much.


Right. So , also , Andreas , on that one the  the back part of it should be right against your head. And that will he keep it from flopping aro up and down as much.


Right. So , also , Andreas , on that one the  the back part of it should be right against your head. And that will he keep it from flopping aro up and down as much.

Yeah. Um. Yeah , we actually talked about this in the , uh , front - end meeting this morning , too. Much the same thing ,


Yeah. Um. Yeah , we actually talked about this in the , uh , front - end meeting this morning , too. Much the same thing ,


Yeah. Um. Yeah , we actually talked about this in the , uh , front - end meeting this morning , too. Much the same thing ,

and  and it was  uh , I mean , there the point of interest to the group was primarily that , um ,  the , uh  the system that we had that was based on H T K , that 's used by , you know ,  all the participants in Aurora ,  was so much worse  than the  than the S R