Back to the uh the cost  the material.  We have to ask whether we're going to include a certain number of face plates with the package ? That's something I w for  say we're including three or four face plates , it's gonna drive the cost up.


Back to the uh the cost  the material.  We have to ask whether we're going to include a certain number of face plates with the package ? That's something I w for  say we're including three or four face plates , it's gonna drive the cost up.

And the other question is , if we do include them are we really in a position to evaluate that market ?


And the other question is , if we do include them are we really in a position to evaluate that market ?


And the other question is , if we do include them are we really in a position to evaluate that market ?

We haven't done any tests on face plates and whether


We haven't done any tests on face plates and whether


We haven't done any tests on face plates and whether

See if there  if there's even interest out there.


See if there  if there's even interest out there.


See if there  if there's even interest out there.

Off the top of my head it sounds kind of like a gimmick that wouldn't really go anywhere.


See if there  if there's even interest out there.

Off the top of my head it sounds kind of like a gimmick that wouldn't really go anywhere.

Yeah 'cause then ha you would have to  who all


Off the top of my head it sounds kind of like a gimmick that wouldn't really go anywhere.

Yeah 'cause then ha you would have to  who all


Off the top of my head it sounds kind of like a gimmick that wouldn't really go anywhere.

Yeah 'cause then ha you would have to  who all

it's not like with cell phones like where you have a  you know Nokia model X_ and then ten people make face plates for it , we'd be just our model of pho of t remote control.


Yeah 'cause then ha you would have to  who all

it's not like with cell phones like where you have a  you know Nokia model X_ and then ten people make face plates for it , we'd be just our model of pho of t remote control.


it's not like with cell phones like where you have a  you know Nokia model X_ and then ten people make face plates for it , we'd be just our model of pho of t remote control.

Well in the publicity of a face plate on a phone is you have it out and around , it is sort of emblematic whereas you're just sit at home ,


Well in the publicity of a face plate on a phone is you have it out and around , it is sort of emblematic whereas you're just sit at home ,

so unless somebody comes over to watch T_V_


so unless somebody comes over to watch T_V_

Well hopefully some people have people coming t over to w to hang out at your house


Well hopefully some people have people coming t over to w to hang out at your house

and most people have their televisions in the living room. Uh.


Well hopefully some people have people coming t over to w to hang out at your house

and most people have their televisions in the living room. Uh.

Alright well we can  we can discuss that one further when we think about um whether th when we do costs and so forth , um.


and most people have their televisions in the living room. Uh.

Alright well we can  we can discuss that one further when we think about um whether th when we do costs and so forth , um.


Alright well we can  we can discuss that one further when we think about um whether th when we do costs and so forth , um.

True , if plastic is dead cheap and if we're making the whole thing out of plastic anyway um  yeah we'll cross that bridge later um but yeah we will have to evaluate what's most important. Um I think we've had a bit of discussion already on this thing , n s there any other questions comments that came up in these presentations ?


True , if plastic is dead cheap and if we're making the whole thing out of plastic anyway um  yeah we'll cross that bridge later um but yeah we will have to evaluate what's most important. Um I think we've had a bit of discussion already on this thing , n s there any other questions comments that came up in these presentations ?

Well have we confirmed that we're gonna go ahead with a uh touch screen um


Well have we confirmed that we're gonna go ahead with a uh touch screen um

Yeah I think that would be best. Let's based on what sh on what you guys have all said to me let's go for a plastic built or uh b plastic cased 'cause tha tha that's easy on the cost , try to look for some kind of high quality recycled plastic as you recommended and I think that's a great idea. With a touch screen for the basic functions.  Um  And we'll yeah tha let's provisionally  let's go for a touch screen one with several submenus um for possible extra stuff that one basically put the channel and the on and off switch on the touch screen. Um do we have  Mm wait a minute it occurs to me that if we have a touch screen people are going to have to recharge their remote controls.  Yet at the same time that might help for this whole complaint of it being lost.


Yeah I think that would be best. Let's based on what sh on what you guys have all said to me let's go for a plastic built or uh b plastic cased 'cause tha tha that's easy on the cost , try to look for some kind of high quality recycled plastic as you recommended and I think that's a great idea. With a touch screen for the basic functions.  Um  And we'll yeah tha let's provisionally  let's go for a touch screen one with several submenus um for possible extra stuff that one basically put the channel and the on and off switch on the touch screen. Um do we have  Mm wait a minute it occurs to me that if we have a touch screen people are going to have to recharge their remote controls.  Yet at the same time that might help for this whole complaint of it being lost.

True. 'Cause it would have a docking base ?


Yeah I think that would be best. Let's based on what sh on what you guys have all said to me let's go for a plastic built or uh b plastic cased 'cause tha tha that's easy on the cost , try to look for some kind of high quality recycled plastic as you recommended and I think that's a great idea. With a touch screen for the basic functions.  Um  And we'll yeah tha let's provisionally  let's go for a touch screen one with several submenus um for possible extra stuff that one basically put the channel and the on and off switch on the touch screen. Um do we have  Mm wait a minute it occurs to me that if we have a touch screen people are going to have to recharge their remote controls.  Yet at the same time that might help for this whole complaint of it being lost.

True. 'Cause it would have a docking base ?

Mm-hmm. But then again that costs as well.


True. 'Cause it would have a docking base ?

Mm-hmm. But then again that costs as well.


Mm-hmm. But then again that costs as well.

So these new lithium batteries they last twenty years  even with the touch screen ?


So these new lithium batteries they last twenty years  even with the touch screen ?


Well I I don't think yeah I can't see anybody buying a lap a remote control that they have to plug in so we'd have to see some kind of new battery technology.


Well I I don't think yeah I can't see anybody buying a lap a remote control that they have to plug in so we'd have to see some kind of new battery technology.

Okay so let's go with a um touch screen  with um some kind of  you know with with some kind of cutting edge battery technology


Okay so let's go with a um touch screen  with um some kind of  you know with with some kind of cutting edge battery technology

Yeah well hey you know well it's it's worth looking into , if not we can always default to just doing a a well presented plastic simple


Yeah well hey you know well it's it's worth looking into , if not we can always default to just doing a a well presented plastic simple


you can put the  we could I I dunno I mean I suppose we could put the the basics on the centre easiest you know , you know people know the channel and volume function make them large and easy to get at and then the the other the other bits and bobs you know go through menu um w we'll do the aesthetics.


you can put the  we could I I dunno I mean I suppose we could put the the basics on the centre easiest you know , you know people know the channel and volume function make them large and easy to get at and then the the other the other bits and bobs you know go through menu um w we'll do the aesthetics.

Okay so we'll  touch screen and the battery , focus on um  uh presentation.


Okay so we'll  touch screen and the battery , focus on um  uh presentation.

Um  it's th uh with this voice recognition option as well um just as for the simple functions the um the on off , channels , volume , um


Um  it's th uh with this voice recognition option as well um just as for the simple functions the um the on off , channels , volume , um

and um a small paging function. Even if you can't do voice recognition for the paging you know just some kind of simple button that's just a I guess another infrared signal to the remote control and while  to emit some kind of paging. Just a beep.


and um a small paging function. Even if you can't do voice recognition for the paging you know just some kind of simple button that's just a I guess another infrared signal to the remote control and while  to emit some kind of paging. Just a beep.

Um right so any comments ? Thoughts before we break into  go into the next round of individual work on this.


and um a small paging function. Even if you can't do voice recognition for the paging you know just some kind of simple button that's just a I guess another infrared signal to the remote control and while  to emit some kind of paging. Just a beep.

Um right so any comments ? Thoughts before we break into  go into the next round of individual work on this.

Since we're doing uh touch screen , do we wanna look into the possibility of people being able to input different types of skins for the you know the actual interface part of it and things like that ? Or is it just gonna be one touch screen for everybody.


Um right so any comments ? Thoughts before we break into  go into the next round of individual work on this.

Since we're doing uh touch screen , do we wanna look into the possibility of people being able to input different types of skins for the you know the actual interface part of it and things like that ? Or is it just gonna be one touch screen for everybody.


Since we're doing uh touch screen , do we wanna look into the possibility of people being able to input different types of skins for the you know the actual interface part of it and things like that ? Or is it just gonna be one touch screen for everybody.

What what would be on that touch screen ? 'Cause you said earlier that we have to think about company colours and um


What what would be on that touch screen ? 'Cause you said earlier that we have to think about company colours and um


What what would be on that touch screen ? 'Cause you said earlier that we have to think about company colours and um

logo or something or motto , I can't remember exactly what you said.


logo or something or motto , I can't remember exactly what you said.


W it's my understanding that if you were going to do a skin you'd need to have some way for people to download or import skins into the remote control.


W it's my understanding that if you were going to do a skin you'd need to have some way for people to download or import skins into the remote control.

Right , and then you're dealing with ports and cords and


Right , and then you're dealing with ports and cords and


I think that that one m might just be um and they just  yeah I think that one might just be out of the range for this particular


I think that that one m might just be um and they just  yeah I think that one might just be out of the range for this particular

a P_D_A_ would  they would  makes a lot of sense for a P_D_A_ 'cause you're gonna be using it to connect up to things anyway but  I dunno , what do you guys think ?


I think that that one m might just be um and they just  yeah I think that one might just be out of the range for this particular

a P_D_A_ would  they would  makes a lot of sense for a P_D_A_ 'cause you're gonna be using it to connect up to things anyway but  I dunno , what do you guys think ?

Think we just need to come up with a nice black and red interface on the touch screen.


a P_D_A_ would  they would  makes a lot of sense for a P_D_A_ 'cause you're gonna be using it to connect up to things anyway but  I dunno , what do you guys think ?

Think we just need to come up with a nice black and red interface on the touch screen.


Think we just need to come up with a nice black and red interface on the touch screen.

Yeah. Uh I I'm I'm in agreement with that , I'm wondering how we're gonna get uh we put fashion into electronics onto this device.


Yeah. Uh I I'm I'm in agreement with that , I'm wondering how we're gonna get uh we put fashion into electronics onto this device.

Um. Well but if we're gonna use a touch screen where it's gonna come on like on your cell phone it'll have your your carrier provider name come up first like while it's loading


Yeah. Uh I I'm I'm in agreement with that , I'm wondering how we're gonna get uh we put fashion into electronics onto this device.

Um. Well but if we're gonna use a touch screen where it's gonna come on like on your cell phone it'll have your your carrier provider name come up first like while it's loading

and then it goes away , perhaps it could be like a temporary


Um. Well but if we're gonna use a touch screen where it's gonna come on like on your cell phone it'll have your your carrier provider name come up first like while it's loading

and then it goes away , perhaps it could be like a temporary


and then it goes away , perhaps it could be like a temporary

Comes on every time you turn it on and then that's it 'cause it is a bit much to have it like engraved on the back or something I think.


Comes on every time you turn it on and then that's it 'cause it is a bit much to have it like engraved on the back or something I think.


Comes on every time you turn it on and then that's it 'cause it is a bit much to have it like engraved on the back or something I think.

I'm hoping for a subliminal maybe half a millisecond as it turns on.


I'm hoping for a subliminal maybe half a millisecond as it turns on.


I'm hoping for a subliminal maybe half a millisecond as it turns on.

Yeah. Yeah I know I d it seems like it would suffice to have just the R_R_ on there.


Yeah. Yeah I know I d it seems like it would suffice to have just the R_R_ on there.


People aren't gonna want their remote to boot up and to see flashing things come on.


People aren't gonna want their remote to boot up and to see flashing things come on.

They just want it to be on and ready to go.


They just want it to be on and ready to go.


They just want it to be on and ready to go.

Well fair enough. Um and yeah that would help the battery life too and if it  the remote they do have to press a button for the remote to turn on. But then again who wants to turn on a remote control. Kind of if i


Well fair enough. Um and yeah that would help the battery life too and if it  the remote they do have to press a button for the remote to turn on. But then again who wants to turn on a remote control. Kind of if i

Well all you have to do is touch the screen and it automatically goes on.


Well all you have to do is touch the screen and it automatically goes on.

to wake up okay or go into like a dormant mode.


to wake up okay or go into like a dormant mode.


to wake up okay or go into like a dormant mode.

Okay.  Oh yeah I like that I like the idea of um putting the logo in the boot up screen , nice. Um. Um cool so any last things before we break ? Alright. Fair enough. Sounds good.


Okay.  Oh yeah I like that I like the idea of um putting the logo in the boot up screen , nice. Um. Um cool so any last things before we break ? Alright. Fair enough. Sounds good.

I'm gonna save th a copy of this in case you guys need any reminders. I'm gonna save a copy of this and the minutes that I'll do it in a second and put them in the shared folder for later reference.


Okay.  Oh yeah I like that I like the idea of um putting the logo in the boot up screen , nice. Um. Um cool so any last things before we break ? Alright. Fair enough. Sounds good.

I'm gonna save th a copy of this in case you guys need any reminders. I'm gonna save a copy of this and the minutes that I'll do it in a second and put them in the shared folder for later reference.

I've put my files in the shared folder as well.


I'm gonna save th a copy of this in case you guys need any reminders. I'm gonna save a copy of this and the minutes that I'll do it in a second and put them in the shared folder for later reference.

I've put my files in the shared folder as well.


I've put my files in the shared folder as well.


So , we are asked to to make uh uh a new remote control for television. And the characteristics of this new remote control should be original and trendy and of course user user friendly. So people can  can use it without any any problem.


So , we are asked to to make uh uh a new remote control for television. And the characteristics of this new remote control should be original and trendy and of course user user friendly. So people can  can use it without any any problem.

Well , I think we should set the the points to to drive the project and uh


So , we are asked to to make uh uh a new remote control for television. And the characteristics of this new remote control should be original and trendy and of course user user friendly. So people can  can use it without any any problem.

Well , I think we should set the the points to to drive the project and uh

Mm. B did you send us an email about this ?


Well , I think we should set the the points to to drive the project and uh

Mm. B did you send us an email about this ?


Mm. B did you send us an email about this ?

Yeah , we we received an email about this uh d designs.


Yeah , we we received an email about this uh d designs.

Do you want do you want me to send you a mail ?


Do you want do you want me to send you a mail ?


Yeah , you see the email ? You  email. The v very  no , no the first one.


The third one. Oh , you didn't get anything.


The third one. Oh , you didn't get anything.

I got an email about the dis about the discussion. Yeah.


I got an email about the dis about the discussion. Yeah.


From the account manager. You have received the same email , right ?


From the account manager. You have received the same email , right ?

I think it's for your guys to  how to design it all the aspects so you need that information.


I think it's for your guys to  how to design it all the aspects so you need that information.


So there are three kinds of designs , that's all.


So there are three kinds of designs , that's all.

f yeah. We have functional design , conceptual design , and detail design.


So there are three kinds of designs , that's all.

f yeah. We have functional design , conceptual design , and detail design.

So , who will be the the responsible for the functional design ? Any any volunteer ?


f yeah. We have functional design , conceptual design , and detail design.

So , who will be the the responsible for the functional design ? Any any volunteer ?

I think our uh responsibilities will be assigned when we  in our mail we received from the account manager.


So , who will be the the responsible for the functional design ? Any any volunteer ?

I think our uh responsibilities will be assigned when we  in our mail we received from the account manager.


I think our uh responsibilities will be assigned when we  in our mail we received from the account manager.


Yeah I I'm I'm  Well , maybe we have  okay so I  industrial design. It was a little confusion about my uh


A design is basically for industrial design and the user interface.


A design is basically for industrial design and the user interface.

You see the second mail ? Yeah , it's inside. Go down. Appendix.


You see the second mail ? Yeah , it's inside. Go down. Appendix.


But look at your role , your marketing role.


Well , I think we can have a little discussion about what has to be done


Well , I think we can have a little discussion about what has to be done

About the design or  Maybe we'll discuss this later , no ?


Well , I think we can have a little discussion about what has to be done

About the design or  Maybe we'll discuss this later , no ?

Well , w we want to have a new re remote control for for T_V_ distribution I guess.


About the design or  Maybe we'll discuss this later , no ?

Well , w we want to have a new re remote control for for T_V_ distribution I guess.


About the design or  Maybe we'll discuss this later , no ?

Well , w we want to have a new re remote control for for T_V_ distribution I guess.

So we have to  plan how how it would be developed and uh


Well , w we want to have a new re remote control for for T_V_ distribution I guess.

So we have to  plan how how it would be developed and uh


So we have to  plan how how it would be developed and uh


I mean working remotes we already have. This will be something different from the other remotes  remote controls.


I mean working remotes we already have. This will be something different from the other remotes  remote controls.

What we we have to keep in mind the  these characteristics.


I mean working remotes we already have. This will be something different from the other remotes  remote controls.

What we we have to keep in mind the  these characteristics.

And of course it should not be very costly.


What we we have to keep in mind the  these characteristics.

And of course it should not be very costly.


And of course it should not be very costly.


Well I I think that Norman and I would think about um the technical points and um we should discuss it in the next meeting , or


Um.  I I'm part of design , perhaps. Uh , what is most important in a  in a remote control ? What is the most important function aspect ? Uh.


We can think about an interface with uh well


We can think about an interface with uh well

Uh. We  maybe you can have a speech uh recognition interface. You just tell the television I want  which channel.


We can think about an interface with uh well

Uh. We  maybe you can have a speech uh recognition interface. You just tell the television I want  which channel.

Or or you can say for example , um   I want uh to list all the programme tonight. Y you know  , instead of  uh remote control it's doing the  some searching for you , so you don't have to look for the channel you want. Just say maybe I just want to press  I wanna have a button for all the movies tonight. Or a button for all the magazines , all the information  documentary tonight. And then you list a few , and I will choose from the list. So instead of pressing the channel number , I am choosing the programmes directly. Yeah , that's one way of uh making it useful.


Uh. We  maybe you can have a speech uh recognition interface. You just tell the television I want  which channel.

Or or you can say for example , um   I want uh to list all the programme tonight. Y you know  , instead of  uh remote control it's doing the  some searching for you , so you don't have to look for the channel you want. Just say maybe I just want to press  I wanna have a button for all the movies tonight. Or a button for all the magazines , all the information  documentary tonight. And then you list a few , and I will choose from the list. So instead of pressing the channel number , I am choosing the programmes directly. Yeah , that's one way of uh making it useful.


Or or you can say for example , um   I want uh to list all the programme tonight. Y you know  , instead of  uh remote control it's doing the  some searching for you , so you don't have to look for the channel you want. Just say maybe I just want to press  I wanna have a button for all the movies tonight. Or a button for all the magazines , all the information  documentary tonight. And then you list a few , and I will choose from the list. So instead of pressing the channel number , I am choosing the programmes directly. Yeah , that's one way of uh making it useful.

I I think if we include a lot of technology on the remote control it will be very costly.


I I think if we include a lot of technology on the remote control it will be very costly.

it's not very  a lot. Th this information exists. For example you can get um


I I think if we include a lot of technology on the remote control it will be very costly.

it's not very  a lot. Th this information exists. For example you can get um

Like s uh you you you say we can use speech.


it's not very  a lot. Th this information exists. For example you can get um

Like s uh you you you say we can use speech.

You can use uh  well for example  anything.  The  the idea of using speech to reduce the button , but uh and it's more natural. Yeah.


it's not very  a lot. Th this information exists. For example you can get um

Like s uh you you you say we can use speech.

You can use uh  well for example  anything.  The  the idea of using speech to reduce the button , but uh and it's more natural. Yeah.

I  I think if you want t to choose uh from a list of programme or or something like that you you may have to to use uh w uh I dunno


Like s uh you you you say we can use speech.

You can use uh  well for example  anything.  The  the idea of using speech to reduce the button , but uh and it's more natural. Yeah.

I  I think if you want t to choose uh from a list of programme or or something like that you you may have to to use uh w uh I dunno


You can use uh  well for example  anything.  The  the idea of using speech to reduce the button , but uh and it's more natural. Yeah.

I  I think if you want t to choose uh from a list of programme or or something like that you you may have to to use uh w uh I dunno


I  I think if you want t to choose uh from a list of programme or or something like that you you may have to to use uh w uh I dunno

I mean the main uh function of remote control is to have something in the hand


I mean the main uh function of remote control is to have something in the hand


I mean the main uh function of remote control is to have something in the hand

and we should be very careful about the size of the remote control.


and we should be very careful about the size of the remote control.


If we are going to add a speech interface , I'm not sure with  trendy slim size of the remote control it would be able to put a speech recog


If we are going to add a speech interface , I'm not sure with  trendy slim size of the remote control it would be able to put a speech recog

if you want to put a speech recognition system f interface for that I think the T_V_ itself could have it.


if you want to put a speech recognition system f interface for that I think the T_V_ itself could have it.


if you want to put a speech recognition system f interface for that I think the T_V_ itself could have it.

And I could talk to the T_V_  television itself.


And I could talk to the T_V_  television itself.


I mean we have some  or something , different technology but


I mean we have some  or something , different technology but

Yeah , yeah. But th the main idea I wanted to s I wanted to say is that um  there should be a function , instead of choosing the ch T_V_ channel , there's a option you can choose , either T_V_ channels or or pr or the or the contain or the contents of the programme.


Yeah , yeah. But th the main idea I wanted to s I wanted to say is that um  there should be a function , instead of choosing the ch T_V_ channel , there's a option you can choose , either T_V_ channels or or pr or the or the contain or the contents of the programme.


Yeah , yeah. But th the main idea I wanted to s I wanted to say is that um  there should be a function , instead of choosing the ch T_V_ channel , there's a option you can choose , either T_V_ channels or or pr or the or the contain or the contents of the programme.

Yeah , yeah it's it's a good idea it's a good idea


Yeah , yeah it's it's a good idea it's a good idea


Yeah , yeah it's it's a good idea it's a good idea

but I I think that technically it would be um a little bit uh uh more tricky to to achieve this than just to


but I I think that technically it would be um a little bit uh uh more tricky to to achieve this than just to

No. No , because you see now all the T_V_ programmes are available on the webs. They they are  they are  they are available in X_M_L_ format or whatever the format. We don't care. We just say that this are some content. We just want to retrieve the content and then classi sort them by the types of programmes. Some of the websites they already provide this service ,


but I I think that technically it would be um a little bit uh uh more tricky to to achieve this than just to

No. No , because you see now all the T_V_ programmes are available on the webs. They they are  they are  they are available in X_M_L_ format or whatever the format. We don't care. We just say that this are some content. We just want to retrieve the content and then classi sort them by the types of programmes. Some of the websites they already provide this service ,

so we can just use the service available. Download it uh to the  to this remote control.


No. No , because you see now all the T_V_ programmes are available on the webs. They they are  they are  they are available in X_M_L_ format or whatever the format. We don't care. We just say that this are some content. We just want to retrieve the content and then classi sort them by the types of programmes. Some of the websites they already provide this service ,

so we can just use the service available. Download it uh to the  to this remote control.


so we can just use the service available. Download it uh to the  to this remote control.

And then there's  there are only six buttons for six categories , or sev seven. The most there are only seven buttons. So I just choose the category one and you reuse the same button , for example to to choose among the the sorted list the programme you want , so  you don't have to choose among hundred channels , if you have hundred channels , you just have six buttons , seven buttons.


so we can just use the service available. Download it uh to the  to this remote control.

And then there's  there are only six buttons for six categories , or sev seven. The most there are only seven buttons. So I just choose the category one and you reuse the same button , for example to to choose among the the sorted list the programme you want , so  you don't have to choose among hundred channels , if you have hundred channels , you just have six buttons , seven buttons.

Yeah we should also optimise the the number of buttons.


And then there's  there are only six buttons for six categories , or sev seven. The most there are only seven buttons. So I just choose the category one and you reuse the same button , for example to to choose among the the sorted list the programme you want , so  you don't have to choose among hundred channels , if you have hundred channels , you just have six buttons , seven buttons.

Yeah we should also optimise the the number of buttons.


And then there's  there are only six buttons for six categories , or sev seven. The most there are only seven buttons. So I just choose the category one and you reuse the same button , for example to to choose among the the sorted list the programme you want , so  you don't have to choose among hundred channels , if you have hundred channels , you just have six buttons , seven buttons.

Yeah we should also optimise the the number of buttons.

Well I I I I think that j just by using navigation buttons and the user interface on the screen we are able to uh navigate uh through the  Well channel programme or contents or  in an easy way , so


Yeah we should also optimise the the number of buttons.

Well I I I I think that j just by using navigation buttons and the user interface on the screen we are able to uh navigate uh through the  Well channel programme or contents or  in an easy way , so


Well I I I I think that j just by using navigation buttons and the user interface on the screen we are able to uh navigate uh through the  Well channel programme or contents or  in an easy way , so

Yeah. Ah , yes. So . Yeah. Yeah , so you don't have to display here , just display on the T_V_ screen , right ?


Well I I I I think that j just by using navigation buttons and the user interface on the screen we are able to uh navigate uh through the  Well channel programme or contents or  in an easy way , so

Yeah. Ah , yes. So . Yeah. Yeah , so you don't have to display here , just display on the T_V_ screen , right ?

Yeah in the dis display on the T_V_ screen


Yeah. Ah , yes. So . Yeah. Yeah , so you don't have to display here , just display on the T_V_ screen , right ?

Yeah in the dis display on the T_V_ screen


Yeah. Ah , yes. So . Yeah. Yeah , so you don't have to display here , just display on the T_V_ screen , right ?

Yeah in the dis display on the T_V_ screen

and just uh with the with your remote control would just navigate through the f


Yeah in the dis display on the T_V_ screen

and just uh with the with your remote control would just navigate through the f

I think I think that will be revol revolutionary .


and just uh with the with your remote control would just navigate through the f

I think I think that will be revol revolutionary .

Because all the T_V_ uh the the remote control have all numbers , lots of buttons and then you dunno what to choose in the end. Yeah.  Alright.


and just uh with the with your remote control would just navigate through the f

I think I think that will be revol revolutionary .

Because all the T_V_ uh the the remote control have all numbers , lots of buttons and then you dunno what to choose in the end. Yeah.  Alright.

Yeah , yeah. So   I think for for the technical points we have to to to check how to gather the data from programme or contents and all this stuff


I think I think that will be revol revolutionary .

Because all the T_V_ uh the the remote control have all numbers , lots of buttons and then you dunno what to choose in the end. Yeah.  Alright.

Yeah , yeah. So   I think for for the technical points we have to to to check how to gather the data from programme or contents and all this stuff


Because all the T_V_ uh the the remote control have all numbers , lots of buttons and then you dunno what to choose in the end. Yeah.  Alright.

Yeah , yeah. So   I think for for the technical points we have to to to check how to gather the data from programme or contents and all this stuff


Yeah , yeah. So   I think for for the technical points we have to to to check how to gather the data from programme or contents and all this stuff

Ah w w we have sometimes to use the white-board.


Ah w w we have sometimes to use the white-board.

Ah you can y you can you can use it if you  so , can we


Ah w w we have sometimes to use the white-board.

Ah you can y you can you can use it if you  so , can we

And another interesting idea for this would be to have an light adaptation system depending upon the picture of


Ah you can y you can you can use it if you  so , can we

And another interesting idea for this would be to have an light adaptation system depending upon the picture of


And another interesting idea for this would be to have an light adaptation system depending upon the picture of

So , I mean , if you're watching a movie and suddenly there is a dark uh  some dark scene , the lights adapt themself.


So , I mean , if you're watching a movie and suddenly there is a dark uh  some dark scene , the lights adapt themself.


Yeah , but we are designing just remote control.


Yeah , but we are designing just remote control.

I mean , we have a option in the remote control. If we want to have that option , you press that button in the remote.


I mean , we have a option in the remote control. If we want to have that option , you press that button in the remote.


I mean , we have a option in the remote control. If we want to have that option , you press that button in the remote.

Okay , do you want to have a conceptual remote control there , or you just want to put the function in ?


Okay , do you want to have a conceptual remote control there , or you just want to put the function in ?

Yeah. If if you you you can if you want you can use th the .


Yeah. If if you you you can if you want you can use th the .

Oh , I'm afraid you forgot to put your lapel.


Oh , I'm afraid you forgot to put your lapel.


Oh , I'm afraid you forgot to put your lapel.

Or before the before the the design that says .


Or before the before the the design that says .


Be before before writing you can uh sit and that says  what we what we said


Be before before writing you can uh sit and that says  what we what we said

then after that you can you can use the . Yeah.


Be before before writing you can uh sit and that says  what we what we said

then after that you can you can use the . Yeah.

Okay , alright. So so the most functional des mm the most important function is to ch choo buttons to choose the content. Right ? We agree on that , right ?


then after that you can you can use the . Yeah.

Okay , alright. So so the most functional des mm the most important function is to ch choo buttons to choose the content. Right ? We agree on that , right ?


Okay , alright. So so the most functional des mm the most important function is to ch choo buttons to choose the content. Right ? We agree on that , right ?

Uh , uh first one is to uh  buttons i or it could be anything with  buttons. Uh to choose uh content s or channels.


Uh , uh first one is to uh  buttons i or it could be anything with  buttons. Uh to choose uh content s or channels.


Uh , uh first one is to uh  buttons i or it could be anything with  buttons. Uh to choose uh content s or channels.

So we have both. The user can choose w which one they want , right ?


So we have both. The user can choose w which one they want , right ?


Choose by contents or by channels. And then what did we say just now ? Other than this.


Choose by contents or by channels. And then what did we say just now ? Other than this.

And uh we we have to find a way how to gather information about the contents.


Choose by contents or by channels. And then what did we say just now ? Other than this.

And uh we we have to find a way how to gather information about the contents.

Okay , so technically how  the problems that  how to do it is to  how to get the content.


And uh we we have to find a way how to gather information about the contents.

Okay , so technically how  the problems that  how to do it is to  how to get the content.


Okay , so technically how  the problems that  how to do it is to  how to get the content.

I think i it's not very difficult to to browse by channel but it's a little bit tricky to browse by contents so


I think i it's not very difficult to to browse by channel but it's a little bit tricky to browse by contents so

Okay. Content. Okay , so these we have to work it out. So this one of the problem. And uh


Okay. Content. Okay , so these we have to work it out. So this one of the problem. And uh


So we are  we'll discuss it  we will get some information in the next meeting , so for now we get uh the funct this is the functional designer  ? That's the first aspect. Right. We will  get information and then we'll come back in. .


So maybe we'll meet in maybe five minutes ? And we'll discuss the other other aspects.


Sorry. Mental  mental Palm Pilot. Right. Hence  no problem.

Let 's see. So. What ? I 'm supposed to be on channel five ? Her. Nope. Doesn't seem to be ,


Let 's see. So. What ? I 'm supposed to be on channel five ? Her. Nope. Doesn't seem to be ,


Sibilance. Sibilance.   Three , three. I am three.


Sibilance. Sibilance.   Three , three. I am three.

See , that matches the seat up there. So.


Sibilance. Sibilance.   Three , three. I am three.

See , that matches the seat up there. So.

Yeah , well , I g guess  it 's coming up then , or


See , that matches the seat up there. So.

Yeah , well , I g guess  it 's coming up then , or

Cuz it 's  That starts counting from zero and these start counting from one. Ergo , the classic off - by - one error.


Yeah , well , I g guess  it 's coming up then , or

Cuz it 's  That starts counting from zero and these start counting from one. Ergo , the classic off - by - one error.


Cuz it 's  That starts counting from zero and these start counting from one. Ergo , the classic off - by - one error.


But your p No , but the paper 's correct.


But your p No , but the paper 's correct.

I didn't det I was saying the microphone , not the paper.


I didn't det I was saying the microphone , not the paper.


Yes , you 've bested me again. That 's how I think of our continuing interaction. Damn ! Foiled again !


Yes , you 've bested me again. That 's how I think of our continuing interaction. Damn ! Foiled again !

So is Keith showing up ? He 's talking with George right now. Uh , is he gonna get a rip  uh  rip himself away from  from that ?


Yes , you 've bested me again. That 's how I think of our continuing interaction. Damn ! Foiled again !

So is Keith showing up ? He 's talking with George right now. Uh , is he gonna get a rip  uh  rip himself away from  from that ?

What  He - he he 's probably not , is my guess.


So is Keith showing up ? He 's talking with George right now. Uh , is he gonna get a rip  uh  rip himself away from  from that ?

What  He - he he 's probably not , is my guess.

Oh , then it 's just gonna be the five of us ?


What  He - he he 's probably not , is my guess.

Oh , then it 's just gonna be the five of us ?


What  He - he he 's probably not , is my guess.

Oh , then it 's just gonna be the five of us ?

Well , he  he was very affirmative in his way of saying he will be here at four. But  you know , that was before he knew about that George lecture probably.


Oh , then it 's just gonna be the five of us ?

Well , he  he was very affirmative in his way of saying he will be here at four. But  you know , that was before he knew about that George lecture probably.

Right. This  this is not  It 's not bad for the project if Keith is talking to George. OK. So my suggestion is we just


Well , he  he was very affirmative in his way of saying he will be here at four. But  you know , that was before he knew about that George lecture probably.

Right. This  this is not  It 's not bad for the project if Keith is talking to George. OK. So my suggestion is we just


Right. This  this is not  It 's not bad for the project if Keith is talking to George. OK. So my suggestion is we just


Sure. Um. Well , I sort of had informal talks with most of you. So , Eva just reported she 's really happy about the  CBT 's being in the same order in the XML as in the um  be Java declaration format


Sure. Um. Well , I sort of had informal talks with most of you. So , Eva just reported she 's really happy about the  CBT 's being in the same order in the XML as in the um  be Java declaration format

so you don't have to do too much in the style sheet transversion.


so you don't have to do too much in the style sheet transversion.

The  uh , Java  the embedded Bayes  wants to take input  uh , uh , a Bayes - net  in  in some Java notation and Eva is using the Xalan style sheet processor to convert the XML that 's output by the Java Bayes for the  into the , uh , E Bayes input.


The  uh , Java  the embedded Bayes  wants to take input  uh , uh , a Bayes - net  in  in some Java notation and Eva is using the Xalan style sheet processor to convert the XML that 's output by the Java Bayes for the  into the , uh , E Bayes input.

Actually , maybe I could try , like , emailing the guy and see if he has any something already.


Actually , maybe I could try , like , emailing the guy and see if he has any something already.


Actually , maybe I could try , like , emailing the guy and see if he has any something already.

That 'd be weird , that he has both the Java Bayes and the embedded Bayes in


That 'd be weird , that he has both the Java Bayes and the embedded Bayes in

But that 's some sort of conversion program ?


That 'd be weird , that he has both the Java Bayes and the embedded Bayes in

But that 's some sort of conversion program ?

Yeah. Yeah. And put them into different  formats. Oh


That 'd be weird , that he has both the Java Bayes and the embedded Bayes in

But that 's some sort of conversion program ?

Yeah. Yeah. And put them into different  formats. Oh

I think you should demand things from him.


But that 's some sort of conversion program ?

Yeah. Yeah. And put them into different  formats. Oh

I think you should demand things from him.


Yeah. Yeah. And put them into different  formats. Oh

I think you should demand things from him.


I think you should demand things from him.


No , I think it 's a good idea that you may as well ask. Sure.


No , I think it 's a good idea that you may as well ask. Sure.

And , um , well  pretty mu pretty much on t on the top of my list , I would have asked Keith how the " where is X ? "  hand parse is standing. Um.  But we 'll skip that. Uh , there 's good news from Johno. The generation templates are done.


No , I think it 's a good idea that you may as well ask. Sure.

And , um , well  pretty mu pretty much on t on the top of my list , I would have asked Keith how the " where is X ? "  hand parse is standing. Um.  But we 'll skip that. Uh , there 's good news from Johno. The generation templates are done.

So the trees  for  the XML trees for the  for the gene for the synthesizer are written. So I just need to  do the , uh  write a new set of  tree combining rules. But I think those 'll be pretty similar to the old ones. So. Just gonna be  you know


And , um , well  pretty mu pretty much on t on the top of my list , I would have asked Keith how the " where is X ? "  hand parse is standing. Um.  But we 'll skip that. Uh , there 's good news from Johno. The generation templates are done.

So the trees  for  the XML trees for the  for the gene for the synthesizer are written. So I just need to  do the , uh  write a new set of  tree combining rules. But I think those 'll be pretty similar to the old ones. So. Just gonna be  you know

Oh ! You were gonna send me a note about hiring


So the trees  for  the XML trees for the  for the gene for the synthesizer are written. So I just need to  do the , uh  write a new set of  tree combining rules. But I think those 'll be pretty similar to the old ones. So. Just gonna be  you know

Oh ! You were gonna send me a note about hiring

I didn't finish the sentence but he understood it.


Oh ! You were gonna send me a note about hiring

I didn't finish the sentence but he understood it.


I didn't finish the sentence but he understood it.


OK , so  natural language generation  produces not a  just a surface string that is fed into a text - to - speech but , a  surface string with a syntax tree that 's fed into a concept - to - speech.


OK , so  natural language generation  produces not a  just a surface string that is fed into a text - to - speech but , a  surface string with a syntax tree that 's fed into a concept - to - speech.

Now and this concept - to - speech module has  certain rules on how  if you get the following syntactic structure , how to map this onto prosodic rules.


Now and this concept - to - speech module has  certain rules on how  if you get the following syntactic structure , how to map this onto prosodic rules.


Now and this concept - to - speech module has  certain rules on how  if you get the following syntactic structure , how to map this onto prosodic rules.

And Fey has foolheartedly agreed to rewrite uh , the German concept uh syntax - to - prosody rules


And Fey has foolheartedly agreed to rewrite uh , the German concept uh syntax - to - prosody rules


Oh. Rewrite the German ones into English. OK , got it.


Oh. Rewrite the German ones into English. OK , got it.

Into English. And um therefore  the , uh  if it 's OK that we give her a couple of more hours per week , then  she 'll do that.


Oh. Rewrite the German ones into English. OK , got it.

Into English. And um therefore  the , uh  if it 's OK that we give her a couple of more hours per week , then  she 'll do that.

What  language is that  written i Is that that Scheme thing that you showed me ?


Into English. And um therefore  the , uh  if it 's OK that we give her a couple of more hours per week , then  she 'll do that.

What  language is that  written i Is that that Scheme thing that you showed me ?


What  language is that  written i Is that that Scheme thing that you showed me ?

She knows how to program in Scheme ? I hope ?


What  language is that  written i Is that that Scheme thing that you showed me ?

She knows how to program in Scheme ? I hope ?

No , I  My guess is  I  I asked for a commented version of that file ? If we get that , then it 's  doable , even without getting into it , even though the Scheme li uh , stuff is really well documented in the  Festival.


She knows how to program in Scheme ? I hope ?

No , I  My guess is  I  I asked for a commented version of that file ? If we get that , then it 's  doable , even without getting into it , even though the Scheme li uh , stuff is really well documented in the  Festival.

Well , I guess if you 're not used to functional programming , Scheme can be completely incomprehensible. Cuz , there 's no  Like  there 's lots of unnamed functions


No , I  My guess is  I  I asked for a commented version of that file ? If we get that , then it 's  doable , even without getting into it , even though the Scheme li uh , stuff is really well documented in the  Festival.

Well , I guess if you 're not used to functional programming , Scheme can be completely incomprehensible. Cuz , there 's no  Like  there 's lots of unnamed functions


Well , I guess if you 're not used to functional programming , Scheme can be completely incomprehensible. Cuz , there 's no  Like  there 's lots of unnamed functions


Anyway , it  We 'll sort this out. Um. But anyway , send me the note and then I 'll - I 'll check with , uh , Morgan on the money. I  I don't anticipate any problem but we have to  ask. Oh , so this was   You know , on the generation thing , um if  sh y she 's really going to do that , then we should be able to get prosody as well. So it 'll say it 's nonsense with perfect intonation.


Anyway , it  We 'll sort this out. Um. But anyway , send me the note and then I 'll - I 'll check with , uh , Morgan on the money. I  I don't anticipate any problem but we have to  ask. Oh , so this was   You know , on the generation thing , um if  sh y she 's really going to do that , then we should be able to get prosody as well. So it 'll say it 's nonsense with perfect intonation.

Are we gonna  Can we change the voice of the  of the thing , because right now the voice sounds like a murderer.


Are we gonna  Can we change the voice of the  of the thing , because right now the voice sounds like a murderer.

The  the little Smarticus  Smarticus sounds like a murderer.


The  the little Smarticus  Smarticus sounds like a murderer.


But I will not give them to you unless you come into my lair.


But I will not give them to you unless you come into my lair.

It is  Uh , we have the choice between the , uh , usual Festival voices , which I already told the SmartKom people we aren't gonna use because they 're really bad.


It is  Uh , we have the choice between the , uh , usual Festival voices , which I already told the SmartKom people we aren't gonna use because they 're really bad.


Yeah , I know. That doesn't sound ,  exactly right either.


Yeah , I know. That doesn't sound ,  exactly right either.

OGI has , uh , crafted a couple of diphone type voices that are really nice and we 're going to use  that. We can still , um , d agree on a gender , if we want. So we still have male or female.


Yeah , I know. That doesn't sound ,  exactly right either.

OGI has , uh , crafted a couple of diphone type voices that are really nice and we 're going to use  that. We can still , um , d agree on a gender , if we want. So we still have male or female.

I think  Well , let 's just pick whatever sounds best.


OGI has , uh , crafted a couple of diphone type voices that are really nice and we 're going to use  that. We can still , um , d agree on a gender , if we want. So we still have male or female.

I think  Well , let 's just pick whatever sounds best.


I think  Well , let 's just pick whatever sounds best.


Unfortunately , probably male voices , a bit more research on.


Unfortunately , probably male voices , a bit more research on.

Does OGI stand for  ?  Original German Institute ?


Does OGI stand for  ?  Original German Institute ?


It turns out there 's the long - standing links with these guys in the speech group.


In fact , there 's this guy who 's basically got a joint appointment , Hynek  Hermansky. He 's - spends a fair amount of time here. Anyway. Leave it. Won't be a problem.


In fact , there 's this guy who 's basically got a joint appointment , Hynek  Hermansky. He 's - spends a fair amount of time here. Anyway. Leave it. Won't be a problem.

OK. And it 's probably also absolutely uninteresting for all of you to , um learn that as of twenty minutes ago , David and I , per accident , uh managed to get the whole SmartKom system running on the  uh , ICSI Linux machines with the ICSI NT machines thereby increasing the number of running SmartKom systems in this house from  one on my laptop to three.


OK. And it 's probably also absolutely uninteresting for all of you to , um learn that as of twenty minutes ago , David and I , per accident , uh managed to get the whole SmartKom system running on the  uh , ICSI Linux machines with the ICSI NT machines thereby increasing the number of running SmartKom systems in this house from  one on my laptop to three.

Yeah , I know. Tha - that 's the part I didn't understand.


Yeah , I know. Tha - that 's the part I didn't understand.

Um , I suggested to try something that was really kind of  even though against better knowledge shouldn't have worked , but it worked.


Um , I suggested to try something that was really kind of  even though against better knowledge shouldn't have worked , but it worked.


Maybe  maybe  maybe a bit for the AI i intuition thing.


Maybe  maybe  maybe a bit for the AI i intuition thing.

OK. And , um , we 'll never found out why. It - it 's just like why  why the generation ma the presentation manager is now working ?


OK. And , um , we 'll never found out why. It - it 's just like why  why the generation ma the presentation manager is now working ?

Hmm ! This is something you ha you get used to as a programmer , right ?


OK. And , um , we 'll never found out why. It - it 's just like why  why the generation ma the presentation manager is now working ?

Hmm ! This is something you ha you get used to as a programmer , right ?

You know ,  and it 's cool , it works out that way.


Hmm ! This is something you ha you get used to as a programmer , right ?

You know ,  and it 's cool , it works out that way.

Hmm. So ,  the  the people at Saarbruecken and I decided not to touch it ever again. Yeah , that would work. OK. Um  I was gonna ask you where something is and what we know about that.


You know ,  and it 's cool , it works out that way.

Hmm. So ,  the  the people at Saarbruecken and I decided not to touch it ever again. Yeah , that would work. OK. Um  I was gonna ask you where something is and what we know about that.


Hmm. So ,  the  the people at Saarbruecken and I decided not to touch it ever again. Yeah , that would work. OK. Um  I was gonna ask you where something is and what we know about that.


Oh , but by  Uh , we can ask , uh , did you get to read all four hundred words ?


I  I wa I was looking at it. It doesn't follow logically. It doesn't  The first paragraph doesn't seem to have any link to the second paragraph.


Anyway. Um. But c the meeting looks like it 's , it 's gonna be good. So. I think it 's uh


Anyway. Um. But c the meeting looks like it 's , it 's gonna be good. So. I think it 's uh

Yeah , I didn't know about it until  Robert told me , like ,


Anyway. Um. But c the meeting looks like it 's , it 's gonna be good. So. I think it 's uh

Yeah , I didn't know about it until  Robert told me , like ,

Yeah , I  I ra I ran across it in  I don't even know where , you know  some just  some weird place. And , uh , yeah , I I 'm surprised I didn't know about it


Yeah , I didn't know about it until  Robert told me , like ,

Yeah , I  I ra I ran across it in  I don't even know where , you know  some just  some weird place. And , uh , yeah , I I 'm surprised I didn't know about it

Y yeah. Well , yeah. I was like , why didn't Dan tell me ?


Yeah , I didn't know about it until  Robert told me , like ,

Yeah , I  I ra I ran across it in  I don't even know where , you know  some just  some weird place. And , uh , yeah , I I 'm surprised I didn't know about it

Y yeah. Well , yeah. I was like , why didn't Dan tell me ?

since we know all the invited speakers , an


Yeah , I  I ra I ran across it in  I don't even know where , you know  some just  some weird place. And , uh , yeah , I I 'm surprised I didn't know about it

Y yeah. Well , yeah. I was like , why didn't Dan tell me ?

since we know all the invited speakers , an


Y yeah. Well , yeah. I was like , why didn't Dan tell me ?

since we know all the invited speakers , an

Right , or some Anyway. So  But anyway , yeah. I so I  I did see that. Oh wha Yeah. Before we get started on this st so I also had a nice email correspondence with Daphne Kohler , who said yes indeed she would love to work with us on the , um ,  you know , using these structured belief - nets and stuff but  starting in August , that she 's also got a new student working on this and that we should get in touch with them again in August and then we 'll figure out a way for you  uh  you to get seriously connected with , um their group. So that 's , uh  looks pretty good. And um  Yeah , I 'll say it now. So , um  And it looks to me like  we 're now at a good point to do something  start working on something really hard. We 've been so far working on things that are easy.


since we know all the invited speakers , an

Right , or some Anyway. So  But anyway , yeah. I so I  I did see that. Oh wha Yeah. Before we get started on this st so I also had a nice email correspondence with Daphne Kohler , who said yes indeed she would love to work with us on the , um ,  you know , using these structured belief - nets and stuff but  starting in August , that she 's also got a new student working on this and that we should get in touch with them again in August and then we 'll figure out a way for you  uh  you to get seriously connected with , um their group. So that 's , uh  looks pretty good. And um  Yeah , I 'll say it now. So , um  And it looks to me like  we 're now at a good point to do something  start working on something really hard. We 've been so far working on things that are easy.


Right , or some Anyway. So  But anyway , yeah. I so I  I did see that. Oh wha Yeah. Before we get started on this st so I also had a nice email correspondence with Daphne Kohler , who said yes indeed she would love to work with us on the , um ,  you know , using these structured belief - nets and stuff but  starting in August , that she 's also got a new student working on this and that we should get in touch with them again in August and then we 'll figure out a way for you  uh  you to get seriously connected with , um their group. So that 's , uh  looks pretty good. And um  Yeah , I 'll say it now. So , um  And it looks to me like  we 're now at a good point to do something  start working on something really hard. We 've been so far working on things that are easy.

Uh , w Which is  mental spaces and uh  and - or


Uh , w Which is  mental spaces and uh  and - or


It 's a hard puzzle. But the other part of it is the way they connect to these , uh , probabilistic relational models. So  there 's all the problems that the linguists know about , about mental spaces , and the cognitive linguists know about , but then there 's this problem of the belief - net people have only done a moderately good job of dealing with temporal belief - nets. Uh , which they call dynamic  they incorrectly call dynamic belief - nets.


It 's a hard puzzle. But the other part of it is the way they connect to these , uh , probabilistic relational models. So  there 's all the problems that the linguists know about , about mental spaces , and the cognitive linguists know about , but then there 's this problem of the belief - net people have only done a moderately good job of dealing with temporal belief - nets. Uh , which they call dynamic  they incorrectly call dynamic belief - nets.

So there 's a term " dynamic belief - net " , doesn't mean that. It means time slices. And Srini used those and people use them. Uh. But one of the things I w would like to do over the next , uh , month , it may take more ,  is to st understand to what extent we can not only figure out the constructions for them for multiple worlds and uh sort of what the formalism will look like and where the slots and fillers will be , but also what that would translate into in terms of belief - net and the inferences. So the story is that if you have these probabilistic relational models , they 're set up , in principle , so that you can make new instances and instances connect to each other , and all that sort of stuff , so it should be feasible to set them up in such a way that if you 've got the past tense and the present tense and each of those is a separate  uh , belief structure that they do their inferences with just the couplings that are appropriate. But that 's g that 's , as far as I can tell , it 's  it 's putting together two real hard problems. One is the linguistic part of what are the couplings and  and when you have a certain , uh , construction , that implies certain couplings and other couplings , you know , between let 's say between the past and the present , or any other one of these things and then we have this inference problem of exactly technically how does the belief - net work if it 's got um , let 's say one in  in , you know , different tenses or my beliefs and your beliefs , or any of these other ones of  of multiple models. So um you know , in the long run we need to solve both of those and my suggestion is that we start digging into them both , uh , in a way we that , you know , th hopefully turns out to be consistent , so that the  Um. And sometimes it 's actually easier to solve two hard problems than one


So there 's a term " dynamic belief - net " , doesn't mean that. It means time slices. And Srini used those and people use them. Uh. But one of the things I w would like to do over the next , uh , month , it may take more ,  is to st understand to what extent we can not only figure out the constructions for them for multiple worlds and uh sort of what the formalism will look like and where the slots and fillers will be , but also what that would translate into in terms of belief - net and the inferences. So the story is that if you have these probabilistic relational models , they 're set up , in principle , so that you can make new instances and instances connect to each other , and all that sort of stuff , so it should be feasible to set them up in such a way that if you 've got the past tense and the present tense and each of those is a separate  uh , belief structure that they do their inferences with just the couplings that are appropriate. But that 's g that 's , as far as I can tell , it 's  it 's putting together two real hard problems. One is the linguistic part of what are the couplings and  and when you have a certain , uh , construction , that implies certain couplings and other couplings , you know , between let 's say between the past and the present , or any other one of these things and then we have this inference problem of exactly technically how does the belief - net work if it 's got um , let 's say one in  in , you know , different tenses or my beliefs and your beliefs , or any of these other ones of  of multiple models. So um you know , in the long run we need to solve both of those and my suggestion is that we start digging into them both , uh , in a way we that , you know , th hopefully turns out to be consistent , so that the  Um. And sometimes it 's actually easier to solve two hard problems than one

because they constrain each other. I mean if you 've got huge ra huge range of possible choices um  We 'll see. But anyway , so that 's , um


So there 's a term " dynamic belief - net " , doesn't mean that. It means time slices. And Srini used those and people use them. Uh. But one of the things I w would like to do over the next , uh , month , it may take more ,  is to st understand to what extent we can not only figure out the constructions for them for multiple worlds and uh sort of what the formalism will look like and where the slots and fillers will be , but also what that would translate into in terms of belief - net and the inferences. So the story is that if you have these probabilistic relational models , they 're set up , in principle , so that you can make new instances and instances connect to each other , and all that sort of stuff , so it should be feasible to set them up in such a way that if you 've got the past tense and the present tense and each of those is a separate  uh , belief structure that they do their inferences with just the couplings that are appropriate. But that 's g that 's , as far as I can tell , it 's  it 's putting together two real hard problems. One is the linguistic part of what are the couplings and  and when you have a certain , uh , construction , that implies certain couplings and other couplings , you know , between let 's say between the past and the present , or any other one of these things and then we have this inference problem of exactly technically how does the belief - net work if it 's got um , let 's say one in  in , you know , different tenses or my beliefs and your beliefs , or any of these other ones of  of multiple models. So um you know , in the long run we need to solve both of those and my suggestion is that we start digging into them both , uh , in a way we that , you know , th hopefully turns out to be consistent , so that the  Um. And sometimes it 's actually easier to solve two hard problems than one

because they constrain each other. I mean if you 've got huge ra huge range of possible choices um  We 'll see. But anyway , so that 's , um

Oh yeah , like uh , I solved the  the problem of um  we were talking about how do you  various issues of how come a plural noun gets to quote " count as a noun phrase " , you know , occur as an argument of a higher construction , but a bare singular stem doesn't get to act that way.


because they constrain each other. I mean if you 've got huge ra huge range of possible choices um  We 'll see. But anyway , so that 's , um

Oh yeah , like uh , I solved the  the problem of um  we were talking about how do you  various issues of how come a plural noun gets to quote " count as a noun phrase " , you know , occur as an argument of a higher construction , but a bare singular stem doesn't get to act that way.


because they constrain each other. I mean if you 've got huge ra huge range of possible choices um  We 'll see. But anyway , so that 's , um

Oh yeah , like uh , I solved the  the problem of um  we were talking about how do you  various issues of how come a plural noun gets to quote " count as a noun phrase " , you know , occur as an argument of a higher construction , but a bare singular stem doesn't get to act that way.

Um , and it would take a really long time to explain it now , but I 'm about to write it up this evening. I solved that at the same time as " how do we keep adjectives from floating to the left of determiners and how do we keep all of that from floating outside the noun phrase " to get something like " I the kicked dog ". Um. Did it  did it at once.


Oh yeah , like uh , I solved the  the problem of um  we were talking about how do you  various issues of how come a plural noun gets to quote " count as a noun phrase " , you know , occur as an argument of a higher construction , but a bare singular stem doesn't get to act that way.

Um , and it would take a really long time to explain it now , but I 'm about to write it up this evening. I solved that at the same time as " how do we keep adjectives from floating to the left of determiners and how do we keep all of that from floating outside the noun phrase " to get something like " I the kicked dog ". Um. Did it  did it at once.


Um , and it would take a really long time to explain it now , but I 'm about to write it up this evening. I solved that at the same time as " how do we keep adjectives from floating to the left of determiners and how do we keep all of that from floating outside the noun phrase " to get something like " I the kicked dog ". Um. Did it  did it at once.

So maybe  maybe it 'll be a similar thing.


So maybe  maybe it 'll be a similar thing.

Yeah. No , I know , I th I I think that is gonna be sort of the key to this wh to th the big project of the summer of  of getting the constructions right is that people do manage to do this so there probably are some , uh , relatively clean rules , they 're just not context - free trees.


Yeah. No , I know , I th I I think that is gonna be sort of the key to this wh to th the big project of the summer of  of getting the constructions right is that people do manage to do this so there probably are some , uh , relatively clean rules , they 're just not context - free trees.

And if we  if the formalism is  is good , then we should be able to have , you know , sort of moderate scale thing. And that by the way is  is , Keith , what I encouraged George to be talking with you about. Not the formalism yet


And if we  if the formalism is  is good , then we should be able to have , you know , sort of moderate scale thing. And that by the way is  is , Keith , what I encouraged George to be talking with you about. Not the formalism yet


The p And  Oh , another thing , um there was this , uh thing that Nancy agreed to in a  in a weak moment this morning that


Anyway , uh , that we were  that we 're gonna try to get a uh , first cut at the revised formalism by the end of next week.


Anyway , uh , that we were  that we 're gonna try to get a uh , first cut at the revised formalism by the end of next week.

OK ? Probably skipping the mental spaces part.


OK ? Probably skipping the mental spaces part.


OK ? Probably skipping the mental spaces part.

Uh , just trying to write up essentially what  what you guys have worked out so that everybody has something to look at. We 've talked about it , but only the innermost inner group currently , uh ,


Uh , just trying to write up essentially what  what you guys have worked out so that everybody has something to look at. We 've talked about it , but only the innermost inner group currently , uh ,


Yeah , and  and not even all of them really do.


There 's  The group as a whole knows but no individual member kno


There 's  The group as a whole knows but no individual member kno

Well that that  yeah th there 's one of the advantages of a document , right ? ,


There 's  The group as a whole knows but no individual member kno

Well that that  yeah th there 's one of the advantages of a document , right ? ,

is  is that it actually transfers from head to head.


Well that that  yeah th there 's one of the advantages of a document , right ? ,

is  is that it actually transfers from head to head.


is  is that it actually transfers from head to head.


not pre - doing everything. The lunch went a little later than I was expecting , Chuck.


not pre - doing everything. The lunch went a little later than I was expecting , Chuck.

Chuck was telling too many jokes , or something ?


Chuck was telling too many jokes , or something ?


Well , I 'm  I sent a couple of items. They 're  they 're sort of practical.


if  if that 's too practical for what we 're  focused on.


if  if that 's too practical for what we 're  focused on.

I mean , we don't want anything too practical.


I mean , we don't want anything too practical.

Yeah. No , why don't we talk about practical things ?


Yeah. No , why don't we talk about practical things ?


Yeah. No , why don't we talk about practical things ?

Well , um , I can  give you an update on the  transcription effort.


Well , um , I can  give you an update on the  transcription effort.


Well , um , I can  give you an update on the  transcription effort.

Uh , maybe  raise the issue of microphone , uh , um procedures with reference to the  cleanliness of the recordings.


Well , um , I can  give you an update on the  transcription effort.

Uh , maybe  raise the issue of microphone , uh , um procedures with reference to the  cleanliness of the recordings.

OK , transcription , uh , microphone issues


Uh , maybe  raise the issue of microphone , uh , um procedures with reference to the  cleanliness of the recordings.

OK , transcription , uh , microphone issues

And then maybe  ask , th uh , these guys. The  we have great  great , uh , p steps forward in terms of the nonspeech - speech pre - segmenting of the signal.


OK , transcription , uh , microphone issues

And then maybe  ask , th uh , these guys. The  we have great  great , uh , p steps forward in terms of the nonspeech - speech pre - segmenting of the signal.


And then maybe  ask , th uh , these guys. The  we have great  great , uh , p steps forward in terms of the nonspeech - speech pre - segmenting of the signal.


Well , it 's a  it 's a big improvement.


but  I 'm not sure if that 's of general interest or not.


Yeah , let 's  let 's see where we are at three - thirty.


Yeah , let 's  let 's see where we are at three - thirty.

Since , uh  since I have to leave as usual at three - thirty , can we do the interesting stuff first ?


Since , uh  since I have to leave as usual at three - thirty , can we do the interesting stuff first ?


Yeah. Th - now you get to tell us what 's the interesting part.


Yeah. Th - now you get to tell us what 's the interesting part.

Well , uh , I guess the work that 's been  done on segmentation would be most


Well , uh , I guess the work that 's been  done on segmentation would be most


Well , uh , I guess the work that 's been  done on segmentation would be most

I think that would be a good thing to start with.


I think that would be a good thing to start with.

OK. Um , and , um ,  the other thing , uh , which I 'll just say very briefly that maybe relates to that a little bit , which is that , um , uh , one of the suggestions that came up in a brief meeting I had the other day when I was in Spain with , uh , Manolo Pardo and  Javier , uh , Ferreiros , who was  here before , was , um , why not start with what they had before but add in the non - silence boundaries. So , in what Javier did before when they were doing , um  h he was looking for , uh , speaker change  points.


OK. Um , and , um ,  the other thing , uh , which I 'll just say very briefly that maybe relates to that a little bit , which is that , um , uh , one of the suggestions that came up in a brief meeting I had the other day when I was in Spain with , uh , Manolo Pardo and  Javier , uh , Ferreiros , who was  here before , was , um , why not start with what they had before but add in the non - silence boundaries. So , in what Javier did before when they were doing , um  h he was looking for , uh , speaker change  points.

Um. As a simplification , he originally did this only using  silence as , uh , a  putative , uh , speaker change point.


Um. As a simplification , he originally did this only using  silence as , uh , a  putative , uh , speaker change point.

And , uh , he did not , say , look at points where you were changing broad sp uh , phonetic class , for instance. And for Broadcast News , that was fine. Here obviously it 's not.


And , uh , he did not , say , look at points where you were changing broad sp uh , phonetic class , for instance. And for Broadcast News , that was fine. Here obviously it 's not.

And , um , so one of the things that they were pushing in d in discussing with me is , um , w why are you spending so much time , uh , on the , uh , feature issue , uh , when perhaps if you sort of deal with what you were using before


And , um , so one of the things that they were pushing in d in discussing with me is , um , w why are you spending so much time , uh , on the , uh , feature issue , uh , when perhaps if you sort of deal with what you were using before

and then just broadened it a bit , instead of just ta using silence as putative change point also  ?


and then just broadened it a bit , instead of just ta using silence as putative change point also  ?

So then you 've got  you already have the super - structure with Gaussians and H - you know , simple H M Ms and so forth. And you  you might  So there was a  there was a little bit of a  a  a  a difference of opinion because I  I thought that it was  it 's interesting to look at what features are useful.


So then you 've got  you already have the super - structure with Gaussians and H - you know , simple H M Ms and so forth. And you  you might  So there was a  there was a little bit of a  a  a  a difference of opinion because I  I thought that it was  it 's interesting to look at what features are useful.

But , uh , on the other hand I saw that the  they had a good point that , uh , if we had something that worked for many cases before , maybe starting from there a little bit  Because ultimately we 're gonna end up  with some s su kind of structure like that ,


But , uh , on the other hand I saw that the  they had a good point that , uh , if we had something that worked for many cases before , maybe starting from there a little bit  Because ultimately we 're gonna end up  with some s su kind of structure like that ,

where you have some kind of simple HMM and you 're testing the hypothesis that ,  uh , there is a change.


where you have some kind of simple HMM and you 're testing the hypothesis that ,  uh , there is a change.


But , uh , uh  So. Yeah , why don't we do the speech - nonspeech discussion ?


Um , so , uh , what we basically did so far was using the mixed file to  to detect s speech or nonspeech  portions in that.


Um , so , uh , what we basically did so far was using the mixed file to  to detect s speech or nonspeech  portions in that.

And what I did so far is I just used our old Munich system , which is an HMM - ba based system with Gaussian mixtures for s speech and nonspeech. And it was a system which used only one Gaussian for silence and one Gaussian for speech. And now I added , uh , multi - mixture possibility for   for speech and nonspeech.


And what I did so far is I just used our old Munich system , which is an HMM - ba based system with Gaussian mixtures for s speech and nonspeech. And it was a system which used only one Gaussian for silence and one Gaussian for speech. And now I added , uh , multi - mixture possibility for   for speech and nonspeech.

And I did some training on  on one dialogue , which was transcribed by  Yeah. We  we did a nons s speech - nonspeech transcription.


And I did some training on  on one dialogue , which was transcribed by  Yeah. We  we did a nons s speech - nonspeech transcription.

Adam , Dave , and I , we did , for that dialogue and I trained it on that. And I did some pre - segmentations for  for Jane. And I 'm not sure how good they are or what  what the transcribers say. They  they can use it or  ?


And I did some training on  on one dialogue , which was transcribed by  Yeah. We  we did a nons s speech - nonspeech transcription.

Adam , Dave , and I , we did , for that dialogue and I trained it on that. And I did some pre - segmentations for  for Jane. And I 'm not sure how good they are or what  what the transcribers say. They  they can use it or  ?

Uh , they  they think it 's a terrific improvement. And , um , it real it just makes a  a world of difference.


Adam , Dave , and I , we did , for that dialogue and I trained it on that. And I did some pre - segmentations for  for Jane. And I 'm not sure how good they are or what  what the transcribers say. They  they can use it or  ?

Uh , they  they think it 's a terrific improvement. And , um , it real it just makes a  a world of difference.


Adam , Dave , and I , we did , for that dialogue and I trained it on that. And I did some pre - segmentations for  for Jane. And I 'm not sure how good they are or what  what the transcribers say. They  they can use it or  ?

Uh , they  they think it 's a terrific improvement. And , um , it real it just makes a  a world of difference.

And , um , y you also did some something in addition which was , um , for those in which there  was , uh , quiet speakers in the mix.


Uh , they  they think it 's a terrific improvement. And , um , it real it just makes a  a world of difference.

And , um , y you also did some something in addition which was , um , for those in which there  was , uh , quiet speakers in the mix.

Yeah. Uh , yeah. That  that was one  one  one thing , uh , why I added more mixtures for  for the speech. So I saw that there were loud  loudly speaking speakers and quietly speaking speakers.


And , um , y you also did some something in addition which was , um , for those in which there  was , uh , quiet speakers in the mix.

Yeah. Uh , yeah. That  that was one  one  one thing , uh , why I added more mixtures for  for the speech. So I saw that there were loud  loudly speaking speakers and quietly speaking speakers.


And , um , y you also did some something in addition which was , um , for those in which there  was , uh , quiet speakers in the mix.

Yeah. Uh , yeah. That  that was one  one  one thing , uh , why I added more mixtures for  for the speech. So I saw that there were loud  loudly speaking speakers and quietly speaking speakers.

And so I did two mixtures , one for the loud speakers and one for the quiet speakers.


Yeah. Uh , yeah. That  that was one  one  one thing , uh , why I added more mixtures for  for the speech. So I saw that there were loud  loudly speaking speakers and quietly speaking speakers.

And so I did two mixtures , one for the loud speakers and one for the quiet speakers.

And did you hand - label who was loud and who was quiet , or did you just  ?


And so I did two mixtures , one for the loud speakers and one for the quiet speakers.

And did you hand - label who was loud and who was quiet , or did you just  ?

I did that for  for five minutes of one dialogue


And did you hand - label who was loud and who was quiet , or did you just  ?

I did that for  for five minutes of one dialogue

and that was enough to  to train the system.


I did that for  for five minutes of one dialogue

and that was enough to  to train the system.


and that was enough to  to train the system.


and that was enough to  to train the system.

And so it  it adapts , uh , on  while running. So.


And so it  it adapts , uh , on  while running. So.

What kind of , uh , front - end processing did you do ?


What kind of , uh , front - end processing did you do ?

It 's just our  our old Munich , uh , loudness - based spectrum on mel scale twenty  twenty critical bands and then loudness.


It 's just our  our old Munich , uh , loudness - based spectrum on mel scale twenty  twenty critical bands and then loudness.


It 's just our  our old Munich , uh , loudness - based spectrum on mel scale twenty  twenty critical bands and then loudness.

And four additional features , which is energy , loudness , modified loudness , and zero crossing rate. So it 's twenty - four  twenty - four features.


And four additional features , which is energy , loudness , modified loudness , and zero crossing rate. So it 's twenty - four  twenty - four features.


And four additional features , which is energy , loudness , modified loudness , and zero crossing rate. So it 's twenty - four  twenty - four features.

And you also provided me with several different versions ,


And you also provided me with several different versions ,


And so you change  parameters. What  do you wanna say something about the parameters  that you change ?


And so you change  parameters. What  do you wanna say something about the parameters  that you change ?

Yeah. You can specify  the minimum length of speech or  and silence portions which you want. And so I did some  some modifications in those parameters , basically changing the minimum  minimum  length for s for silence to have , er to have , um  yeah  to have more or less , uh , silence portions in inserted. So.


And so you change  parameters. What  do you wanna say something about the parameters  that you change ?

Yeah. You can specify  the minimum length of speech or  and silence portions which you want. And so I did some  some modifications in those parameters , basically changing the minimum  minimum  length for s for silence to have , er to have , um  yeah  to have more or less , uh , silence portions in inserted. So.

Right. So this would work well for , uh , pauses and utterance boundaries and things like that.


Yeah. You can specify  the minimum length of speech or  and silence portions which you want. And so I did some  some modifications in those parameters , basically changing the minimum  minimum  length for s for silence to have , er to have , um  yeah  to have more or less , uh , silence portions in inserted. So.

Right. So this would work well for , uh , pauses and utterance boundaries and things like that.


Right. So this would work well for , uh , pauses and utterance boundaries and things like that.

But for overlap I imagine that doesn't work at all ,


But for overlap I imagine that doesn't work at all ,


But for overlap I imagine that doesn't work at all ,

that you 'll have plenty of s sections that are


that you 'll have plenty of s sections that are


That 's true. But  it  it saves so much time  the  the  transcribers


That 's true. But  it  it saves so much time  the  the  transcribers

just enormous , enormous savings. Fantastic.


just enormous , enormous savings. Fantastic.

That 's great. Um , just qu one quickly , uh , still on the features. So  you have these twenty - four features.


just enormous , enormous savings. Fantastic.

That 's great. Um , just qu one quickly , uh , still on the features. So  you have these twenty - four features.

Uh , a lot of them are spectral features. Is there a  a transformation , uh , like principal components transformation or something ?


That 's great. Um , just qu one quickly , uh , still on the features. So  you have these twenty - four features.

Uh , a lot of them are spectral features. Is there a  a transformation , uh , like principal components transformation or something ?


Uh , a lot of them are spectral features. Is there a  a transformation , uh , like principal components transformation or something ?


but we saw , uh , when we used it , uh , f for our close - talking microphone , which  yeah , for our  for our recognizer in Munich  we saw that w it 's  it 's not  it 's not so necessary. It  it works as well f with  with  without , uh , a LDA or something.


Yeah , I don't think it 's a big deal for this application ,


Mm - hmm. OK. But then there 's another thing that also Thilo 's involved with , which is , um  OK , and  and also Da - Dave Gelbart. So there 's this  this problem of  and w and  so we had this meeting. Th - the   also Adam , before the  the  before you went away. Uh we , um  regarding the representation  of overlaps , because at present ,   um , because  of the limitations of  th the interface we 're using , overlaps are , uh , not being  encoded by  the transcribers in as complete  and , uh , detailed a way as it might be , and as might be desired  I think would be desired in the corpus ultimately.


Mm - hmm. OK. But then there 's another thing that also Thilo 's involved with , which is , um  OK , and  and also Da - Dave Gelbart. So there 's this  this problem of  and w and  so we had this meeting. Th - the   also Adam , before the  the  before you went away. Uh we , um  regarding the representation  of overlaps , because at present ,   um , because  of the limitations of  th the interface we 're using , overlaps are , uh , not being  encoded by  the transcribers in as complete  and , uh , detailed a way as it might be , and as might be desired  I think would be desired in the corpus ultimately.

So we don't have start and end points  at each point where there 's an overlap. We just have the  the  overlaps  encoded in a simple bin. Well , OK. So  @ @ the limits of the  over of  of the interface are  such that we were  at this meeting we were entertaining how we might either expand  the  the  interface or find other tools which already  do what would be useful. Because what would ultimately be , um , ideal in my  my view and I think  I mean , I had the sense that it was consensus , is that , um , a thorough - going musical score notation would be  the best way to go. Because  you can have multiple channels , there 's a single time - line , it 's very clear , flexible , and all those nice things.


So we don't have start and end points  at each point where there 's an overlap. We just have the  the  overlaps  encoded in a simple bin. Well , OK. So  @ @ the limits of the  over of  of the interface are  such that we were  at this meeting we were entertaining how we might either expand  the  the  interface or find other tools which already  do what would be useful. Because what would ultimately be , um , ideal in my  my view and I think  I mean , I had the sense that it was consensus , is that , um , a thorough - going musical score notation would be  the best way to go. Because  you can have multiple channels , there 's a single time - line , it 's very clear , flexible , and all those nice things.

OK. So , um , um , I spoke  I had a meeting with Dave Gelbart on  on  and he had , uh , excellent ideas on how  the interface could be  modified to  to do this kind of representation. But , um , he  in the meantime you were checking into the existence of already , um , existing interfaces which might already have these properties. So , do you wanna say something about that ?


So we don't have start and end points  at each point where there 's an overlap. We just have the  the  overlaps  encoded in a simple bin. Well , OK. So  @ @ the limits of the  over of  of the interface are  such that we were  at this meeting we were entertaining how we might either expand  the  the  interface or find other tools which already  do what would be useful. Because what would ultimately be , um , ideal in my  my view and I think  I mean , I had the sense that it was consensus , is that , um , a thorough - going musical score notation would be  the best way to go. Because  you can have multiple channels , there 's a single time - line , it 's very clear , flexible , and all those nice things.

OK. So , um , um , I spoke  I had a meeting with Dave Gelbart on  on  and he had , uh , excellent ideas on how  the interface could be  modified to  to do this kind of representation. But , um , he  in the meantime you were checking into the existence of already , um , existing interfaces which might already have these properties. So , do you wanna say something about that ?

Yes. Um , I  talked with , uh , Munich guys from  from Ludwi - Ludwig Maximilians University , who do a lot of transcribing and transliterations.


OK. So , um , um , I spoke  I had a meeting with Dave Gelbart on  on  and he had , uh , excellent ideas on how  the interface could be  modified to  to do this kind of representation. But , um , he  in the meantime you were checking into the existence of already , um , existing interfaces which might already have these properties. So , do you wanna say something about that ?

Yes. Um , I  talked with , uh , Munich guys from  from Ludwi - Ludwig Maximilians University , who do a lot of transcribing and transliterations.


OK. So , um , um , I spoke  I had a meeting with Dave Gelbart on  on  and he had , uh , excellent ideas on how  the interface could be  modified to  to do this kind of representation. But , um , he  in the meantime you were checking into the existence of already , um , existing interfaces which might already have these properties. So , do you wanna say something about that ?

Yes. Um , I  talked with , uh , Munich guys from  from Ludwi - Ludwig Maximilians University , who do a lot of transcribing and transliterations.

And they basically said they have  they have , uh , a tool they developed  themselves and they can't give away , uh , f it 's too error - prone , and had  it 's not supported , a a a and


Yes. Um , I  talked with , uh , Munich guys from  from Ludwi - Ludwig Maximilians University , who do a lot of transcribing and transliterations.

And they basically said they have  they have , uh , a tool they developed  themselves and they can't give away , uh , f it 's too error - prone , and had  it 's not supported , a a a and


And they basically said they have  they have , uh , a tool they developed  themselves and they can't give away , uh , f it 's too error - prone , and had  it 's not supported , a a a and

But , um , Susanne Bur - Burger , who is at se CMU , he wa who was formally at  in Munich and w and is now at  with CMU , she said she has something which she uses to do eight channels , uh , trans transliterations , eight channels simultaneously ,


But , um , Susanne Bur - Burger , who is at se CMU , he wa who was formally at  in Munich and w and is now at  with CMU , she said she has something which she uses to do eight channels , uh , trans transliterations , eight channels simultaneously ,


So I 'm not sure if  if  if we can use it.


It wouldn't be a problem. And I 've got some  some kind of manual  down in my office.


It wouldn't be a problem. And I 've got some  some kind of manual  down in my office.

Well , maybe we should get it and if it 's good enough we 'll arrange Windows machines to be available.


It wouldn't be a problem. And I 've got some  some kind of manual  down in my office.

Well , maybe we should get it and if it 's good enough we 'll arrange Windows machines to be available.

Mm - hmm. We could  uh , potentially  so.


Well , maybe we should get it and if it 's good enough we 'll arrange Windows machines to be available.

Mm - hmm. We could  uh , potentially  so.


Mm - hmm. We could  uh , potentially  so.

I also wanted to be sure  I mean , I 've  I 've seen the  this  this is called Praat , PRAAT ,  which I guess means spee speech in Dutch or something.


I also wanted to be sure  I mean , I 've  I 've seen the  this  this is called Praat , PRAAT ,  which I guess means spee speech in Dutch or something.

Yeah , but then I 'm not sure  that 's the right thing for us.


I also wanted to be sure  I mean , I 've  I 've seen the  this  this is called Praat , PRAAT ,  which I guess means spee speech in Dutch or something.

Yeah , but then I 'm not sure  that 's the right thing for us.

But  In terms  of it being  Windows  versus


Yeah , but then I 'm not sure  that 's the right thing for us.

But  In terms  of it being  Windows  versus


Yeah , but then I 'm not sure  that 's the right thing for us.

But  In terms  of it being  Windows  versus

No , no. Praat isn't  Praat 's multi - platform.


But  In terms  of it being  Windows  versus

No , no. Praat isn't  Praat 's multi - platform.


No , no. Praat isn't  Praat 's multi - platform.


That 's not Praat. It 's called " trans transedit "  I think.


That 's not Praat. It 's called " trans transedit "  I think.

The  the , uh  the tool from  from Susanne.


The  the , uh  the tool from  from Susanne.

The other thing , uh , to keep in mind , uh  I mean , we 've been very concerned to get all this rolling so that we would actually have data ,


The other thing , uh , to keep in mind , uh  I mean , we 've been very concerned to get all this rolling so that we would actually have data ,

but , um , I think our outside sponsor is actually gonna kick in


but , um , I think our outside sponsor is actually gonna kick in

and ultimately that path will be smoothed out. So I don't know if we have a long - term need to do lots and lots of transcribing. I think we had a very quick need to get something out and we 'd like to be able to do some later because just it 's inter it 's interesting. But as far a you know , uh , with  with any luck we 'll be able to wind down the larger project.


and ultimately that path will be smoothed out. So I don't know if we have a long - term need to do lots and lots of transcribing. I think we had a very quick need to get something out and we 'd like to be able to do some later because just it 's inter it 's interesting. But as far a you know , uh , with  with any luck we 'll be able to wind down the larger project.


and ultimately that path will be smoothed out. So I don't know if we have a long - term need to do lots and lots of transcribing. I think we had a very quick need to get something out and we 'd like to be able to do some later because just it 's inter it 's interesting. But as far a you know , uh , with  with any luck we 'll be able to wind down the larger project.

What our decision was is that  we 'll go ahead with what we have with a not very fine time scale on the overlaps.


What our decision was is that  we 'll go ahead with what we have with a not very fine time scale on the overlaps.


What our decision was is that  we 'll go ahead with what we have with a not very fine time scale on the overlaps.

And  and do what we can later  to clean that up if we need to.


And  and do what we can later  to clean that up if we need to.


And  and do what we can later  to clean that up if we need to.

And  and I was just thinking that , um ,  if it were possible to bring that in , like ,  you know , this week , then  when they 're encoding the overlaps  it would be nice for them to be able to specify when  you know , the start points and end points of overlaps.


And  and I was just thinking that , um ,  if it were possible to bring that in , like ,  you know , this week , then  when they 're encoding the overlaps  it would be nice for them to be able to specify when  you know , the start points and end points of overlaps.