Hi guys uh good morning everybody here. And uh I want to introduce myself , uh my name is uh Shrida Daseri and uh I'm a project manager for this new project which we are going to discuss now. So I want to introduce first of all uh the names and the colleagues here. And what you're uh drawing ?

Uh sure my name is Agnes and I'm an user  usability user interface designer.


Uh sure my name is Agnes and I'm an user  usability user interface designer.


and my role in this uh scenario is to be the industrial designer.


and my role in this uh scenario is to be the industrial designer.

So who is uh marketing , nobody in the market


So who is uh marketing , nobody in the market


So who is uh marketing , nobody in the market

It's you , okay. So thanks for coming for the meeting first of all , and uh we have a long time , just twenty-five minutes to discuss about uh this project and the the project initiation. First of all I want to ask uh Mister Ed about your uh marketing plan and your product plan and uh


So who is uh marketing , nobody in the market

It's you , okay. So thanks for coming for the meeting first of all , and uh we have a long time , just twenty-five minutes to discuss about uh this project and the the project initiation. First of all I want to ask uh Mister Ed about your uh marketing plan and your product plan and uh

Well I think that we'll see that throughout the day in how we're going to put this together as a marketing to to market the product. We'll have to see on a through discussion on where we're gonna go from here and from  with this.


It's you , okay. So thanks for coming for the meeting first of all , and uh we have a long time , just twenty-five minutes to discuss about uh this project and the the project initiation. First of all I want to ask uh Mister Ed about your uh marketing plan and your product plan and uh

Well I think that we'll see that throughout the day in how we're going to put this together as a marketing to to market the product. We'll have to see on a through discussion on where we're gonna go from here and from  with this.

Mm-hmm but uh do you already have like a functional design or a technical design or


Well I think that we'll see that throughout the day in how we're going to put this together as a marketing to to market the product. We'll have to see on a through discussion on where we're gonna go from here and from  with this.

Mm-hmm but uh do you already have like a functional design or a technical design or

Oh for the moment not yet , okay , but uh what's what's your uh  do you have some project plan , something with you or


Mm-hmm but uh do you already have like a functional design or a technical design or

Oh for the moment not yet , okay , but uh what's what's your uh  do you have some project plan , something with you or

Good question . No , this is like I said that we have to be discussed between all of us and we'll go from there. We'll have to  simply we'll have to work on it together.


Oh for the moment not yet , okay , but uh what's what's your uh  do you have some project plan , something with you or

Good question . No , this is like I said that we have to be discussed between all of us and we'll go from there. We'll have to  simply we'll have to work on it together.

Mm-hmm. Okay , so uh by when you think you can uh give me some kind of uh project plan , okay , a discussion with uh


Good question . No , this is like I said that we have to be discussed between all of us and we'll go from there. We'll have to  simply we'll have to work on it together.

Mm-hmm. Okay , so uh by when you think you can uh give me some kind of uh project plan , okay , a discussion with uh

By next meeting , okay that will be great. Uh Okay , so there's any questions or uh first of all about uh this project ?


Mm-hmm. Okay , so uh by when you think you can uh give me some kind of uh project plan , okay , a discussion with uh

By next meeting , okay that will be great. Uh Okay , so there's any questions or uh first of all about uh this project ?


By next meeting , okay that will be great. Uh Okay , so there's any questions or uh first of all about uh this project ?

Uh the goal of the project I think maybe I'll uh hand out to the Ed , okay , so to explain uh what is the project because he's in the sales and the accounting.


By next meeting , okay that will be great. Uh Okay , so there's any questions or uh first of all about uh this project ?

Uh the goal of the project I think maybe I'll uh hand out to the Ed , okay , so to explain uh what is the project because he's in the sales and the accounting.

I'm in the sales I'm supposed to explain them what to do . We have to define exactly what our product is , from uh


Uh the goal of the project I think maybe I'll uh hand out to the Ed , okay , so to explain uh what is the project because he's in the sales and the accounting.

I'm in the sales I'm supposed to explain them what to do . We have to define exactly what our product is , from uh

Yes , so can you explain uh what exactly the product is ?


Uh the goal of the project I think maybe I'll uh hand out to the Ed , okay , so to explain uh what is the project because he's in the sales and the accounting.

I'm in the sales I'm supposed to explain them what to do . We have to define exactly what our product is , from uh

Yes , so can you explain uh what exactly the product is ?

From what I had in mind we're supposed to be marketing coffee , is that right ?


I'm in the sales I'm supposed to explain them what to do . We have to define exactly what our product is , from uh

Yes , so can you explain uh what exactly the product is ?

From what I had in mind we're supposed to be marketing coffee , is that right ?

Oh I think uh , if I'm not wrong , we're making the remote control.


Yes , so can you explain uh what exactly the product is ?

From what I had in mind we're supposed to be marketing coffee , is that right ?

Oh I think uh , if I'm not wrong , we're making the remote control.


From what I had in mind we're supposed to be marketing coffee , is that right ?

Oh I think uh , if I'm not wrong , we're making the remote control.

Remote controls , 'cause I had two different things. I had a first part of mine was to make a remote control for a new f remote control for television , and afterward I had a discussion about coffee so


Oh I think uh , if I'm not wrong , we're making the remote control.

Remote controls , 'cause I had two different things. I had a first part of mine was to make a remote control for a new f remote control for television , and afterward I had a discussion about coffee so


Remote controls , 'cause I had two different things. I had a first part of mine was to make a remote control for a new f remote control for television , and afterward I had a discussion about coffee so

we'll start with the remote control for television then. So we're have to design something that is very user friendly.


we'll start with the remote control for television then. So we're have to design something that is very user friendly.


we'll start with the remote control for television then. So we're have to design something that is very user friendly.

Something uh visual that has something that will will draw people to buy the product ,


Something uh visual that has something that will will draw people to buy the product ,


Something uh visual that has something that will will draw people to buy the product ,

because I think everybody's experienced with uh remote controls , and some remote controls are are worth uh throwing out the window. Uh th most of them ar I don't know we're have to come up with a new idea on how to make it a lot easier to use ,


because I think everybody's experienced with uh remote controls , and some remote controls are are worth uh throwing out the window. Uh th most of them ar I don't know we're have to come up with a new idea on how to make it a lot easier to use ,

'cause a lot of times uh spend uh half a day through the instruction book trying to figure out how to use it.


'cause a lot of times uh spend uh half a day through the instruction book trying to figure out how to use it.


'cause a lot of times uh spend uh half a day through the instruction book trying to figure out how to use it.

And uh what abo uh Christine , what about your uh the industrial design plan ? Are you have a design already on this product or uh you're still working on the design ?


And uh what abo uh Christine , what about your uh the industrial design plan ? Are you have a design already on this product or uh you're still working on the design ?

Um no , I I have not begun working on the design ,


And uh what abo uh Christine , what about your uh the industrial design plan ? Are you have a design already on this product or uh you're still working on the design ?

Um no , I I have not begun working on the design ,

and um I uh I actually didn't know we were designing a remote control , I thought we were designing a new monitor. Um the website I went to look at had some announcements about an introduction of a um uh some sort of a seven inch um monitor , and um I understood that that was the project goal. So um I'm glad I didn't d do any work um ahead of time because uh I clearly didn't understand the project goal.


Um no , I I have not begun working on the design ,

and um I uh I actually didn't know we were designing a remote control , I thought we were designing a new monitor. Um the website I went to look at had some announcements about an introduction of a um uh some sort of a seven inch um monitor , and um I understood that that was the project goal. So um I'm glad I didn't d do any work um ahead of time because uh I clearly didn't understand the project goal.


and um I uh I actually didn't know we were designing a remote control , I thought we were designing a new monitor. Um the website I went to look at had some announcements about an introduction of a um uh some sort of a seven inch um monitor , and um I understood that that was the project goal. So um I'm glad I didn't d do any work um ahead of time because uh I clearly didn't understand the project goal.

Um I just did s see that we were starting a new project together and there was going to be a four member team composed of these people , and um that's about uh that's


Um I just did s see that we were starting a new project together and there was going to be a four member team composed of these people , and um that's about uh that's

and I I read through the different steps , and what my responsibilities were relative to the steps.


Um I just did s see that we were starting a new project together and there was going to be a four member team composed of these people , and um that's about uh that's

and I I read through the different steps , and what my responsibilities were relative to the steps.

So uh you'll be leading the team for your design team or how many members is working in the team , for the design ?


and I I read through the different steps , and what my responsibilities were relative to the steps.

So uh you'll be leading the team for your design team or how many members is working in the team , for the design ?


So uh you'll be leading the team for your design team or how many members is working in the team , for the design ?

Um well , I would th think that depends on how much money you give us.


Um well , I would th think that depends on how much money you give us.


Um well , I would th think that depends on how much money you give us.

Um because uh , you know , you can uh you can make it uh   you have different choices with different financial models.


Um because uh , you know , you can uh you can make it uh   you have different choices with different financial models.

Yeah , but uh before we talk about uh the finance , okay , uh do you have some idea how we can uh sell this product or project in the market and how much is going to benefit to the company and uh of course it's to the individual also.


Um because uh , you know , you can uh you can make it uh   you have different choices with different financial models.

Yeah , but uh before we talk about uh the finance , okay , uh do you have some idea how we can uh sell this product or project in the market and how much is going to benefit to the company and uh of course it's to the individual also.

Well , you know um , I kind of think that in general you have to do uh um y you have to have something that's very fashionable , that's uh very attractive  that um people see and recognize uh its goal , and uh they immediately wanna have it uh have one of their own. So it would  really would need to um   something like the iPod would be good , seems to have caught on fairly well ,


Yeah , but uh before we talk about uh the finance , okay , uh do you have some idea how we can uh sell this product or project in the market and how much is going to benefit to the company and uh of course it's to the individual also.

Well , you know um , I kind of think that in general you have to do uh um y you have to have something that's very fashionable , that's uh very attractive  that um people see and recognize uh its goal , and uh they immediately wanna have it uh have one of their own. So it would  really would need to um   something like the iPod would be good , seems to have caught on fairly well ,

so um d uh you know , I don't care what it does , just so it looks cool.


Well , you know um , I kind of think that in general you have to do uh um y you have to have something that's very fashionable , that's uh very attractive  that um people see and recognize uh its goal , and uh they immediately wanna have it uh have one of their own. So it would  really would need to um   something like the iPod would be good , seems to have caught on fairly well ,

so um d uh you know , I don't care what it does , just so it looks cool.

Okay , but uh uh when you think you can give me like a kind of design on the functional design or the technical design ?


so um d uh you know , I don't care what it does , just so it looks cool.

Okay , but uh uh when you think you can give me like a kind of design on the functional design or the technical design ?

Well , uh I've got a lot of other projects I'm doing right now um and so I'll have to wait and see how those uh how those go. If they uh go quickly then uh it could be a month. If um if I run into any problems in my other projects it might be six months.


so um d uh you know , I don't care what it does , just so it looks cool.

Okay , but uh uh when you think you can give me like a kind of design on the functional design or the technical design ?

Well , uh I've got a lot of other projects I'm doing right now um and so I'll have to wait and see how those uh how those go. If they uh go quickly then uh it could be a month. If um if I run into any problems in my other projects it might be six months.

Yeah , but uh I need something in the writing , so like uh what's your functional design , what's your technical design , and uh how many people you need for this project , and what's the time frame you're looking , okay , and what is the budget , maybe uh initial budget you're looking , okay , and uh how is going to the market , okay ,


Okay , but uh uh when you think you can give me like a kind of design on the functional design or the technical design ?

Well , uh I've got a lot of other projects I'm doing right now um and so I'll have to wait and see how those uh how those go. If they uh go quickly then uh it could be a month. If um if I run into any problems in my other projects it might be six months.

Yeah , but uh I need something in the writing , so like uh what's your functional design , what's your technical design , and uh how many people you need for this project , and what's the time frame you're looking , okay , and what is the budget , maybe uh initial budget you're looking , okay , and uh how is going to the market , okay ,


Well , uh I've got a lot of other projects I'm doing right now um and so I'll have to wait and see how those uh how those go. If they uh go quickly then uh it could be a month. If um if I run into any problems in my other projects it might be six months.

Yeah , but uh I need something in the writing , so like uh what's your functional design , what's your technical design , and uh how many people you need for this project , and what's the time frame you're looking , okay , and what is the budget , maybe uh initial budget you're looking , okay , and uh how is going to the market , okay ,

so you've you've had to meet with the marketing team and how they're going to market and what are the marketing strategic plan , okay , when are you going to introduce , okay , and by the time you introduce the product and uh you know there there would be a competition , okay , so I need some kind of uh uh the plan in the writing from you. Okay , and it's po


Yeah , but uh I need something in the writing , so like uh what's your functional design , what's your technical design , and uh how many people you need for this project , and what's the time frame you're looking , okay , and what is the budget , maybe uh initial budget you're looking , okay , and uh how is going to the market , okay ,

so you've you've had to meet with the marketing team and how they're going to market and what are the marketing strategic plan , okay , when are you going to introduce , okay , and by the time you introduce the product and uh you know there there would be a competition , okay , so I need some kind of uh uh the plan in the writing from you. Okay , and it's po


so you've you've had to meet with the marketing team and how they're going to market and what are the marketing strategic plan , okay , when are you going to introduce , okay , and by the time you introduce the product and uh you know there there would be a competition , okay , so I need some kind of uh uh the plan in the writing from you. Okay , and it's po


so you've you've had to meet with the marketing team and how they're going to market and what are the marketing strategic plan , okay , when are you going to introduce , okay , and by the time you introduce the product and uh you know there there would be a competition , okay , so I need some kind of uh uh the plan in the writing from you. Okay , and it's po

Uh well if uh if we have enough time uh then d do you think um two weeks is a  is close enough ?


Uh well if uh if we have enough time uh then d do you think um two weeks is a  is close enough ?

Yes I think uh that would be good , because I need to go to the management and uh tell them what we are going to do , and uh what cost is , okay , and what's the time frame and what's the project plan , because uh without any uh documentations , I cannot go to the management and say , so we are going to do this and we need this much money , okay , so then it's it's difficult for me to say , okay , that's the reason I need uh some kind of plan from you , initially , okay , then we can have the further discussion again.


Uh well if uh if we have enough time uh then d do you think um two weeks is a  is close enough ?

Yes I think uh that would be good , because I need to go to the management and uh tell them what we are going to do , and uh what cost is , okay , and what's the time frame and what's the project plan , because uh without any uh documentations , I cannot go to the management and say , so we are going to do this and we need this much money , okay , so then it's it's difficult for me to say , okay , that's the reason I need uh some kind of plan from you , initially , okay , then we can have the further discussion again.

Uh  are there other people who will be contributing to the plan ?


Uh well if uh if we have enough time uh then d do you think um two weeks is a  is close enough ?

Yes I think uh that would be good , because I need to go to the management and uh tell them what we are going to do , and uh what cost is , okay , and what's the time frame and what's the project plan , because uh without any uh documentations , I cannot go to the management and say , so we are going to do this and we need this much money , okay , so then it's it's difficult for me to say , okay , that's the reason I need uh some kind of plan from you , initially , okay , then we can have the further discussion again.

Uh  are there other people who will be contributing to the plan ?

Yes , of course , if you need some help , uh so let me know. So , who are the people you need uh from the marketing or uh the technical side or uh the administration point of view , okay , to add in any documentation , or some technical point of view ,


Yes I think uh that would be good , because I need to go to the management and uh tell them what we are going to do , and uh what cost is , okay , and what's the time frame and what's the project plan , because uh without any uh documentations , I cannot go to the management and say , so we are going to do this and we need this much money , okay , so then it's it's difficult for me to say , okay , that's the reason I need uh some kind of plan from you , initially , okay , then we can have the further discussion again.

Uh  are there other people who will be contributing to the plan ?

Yes , of course , if you need some help , uh so let me know. So , who are the people you need uh from the marketing or uh the technical side or uh the administration point of view , okay , to add in any documentation , or some technical point of view ,

so just let me know so I can uh coordinate all the teams.


Uh  are there other people who will be contributing to the plan ?

Yes , of course , if you need some help , uh so let me know. So , who are the people you need uh from the marketing or uh the technical side or uh the administration point of view , okay , to add in any documentation , or some technical point of view ,

so just let me know so I can uh coordinate all the teams.


Yes , of course , if you need some help , uh so let me know. So , who are the people you need uh from the marketing or uh the technical side or uh the administration point of view , okay , to add in any documentation , or some technical point of view ,

so just let me know so I can uh coordinate all the teams.

Yes. Thank you. Okay. And uh Ed uh so what's  what do you think about uh this uh project for the remote control and d do you have some already planned something for your marketing strategy or uh the sales strategy ?


so just let me know so I can uh coordinate all the teams.

Yes. Thank you. Okay. And uh Ed uh so what's  what do you think about uh this uh project for the remote control and d do you have some already planned something for your marketing strategy or uh the sales strategy ?

Well not yet other than uh doing research and taking remote controls and looking what other companies have to do uh , what they're building , their designs , their ideas ,


Yes. Thank you. Okay. And uh Ed uh so what's  what do you think about uh this uh project for the remote control and d do you have some already planned something for your marketing strategy or uh the sales strategy ?

Well not yet other than uh doing research and taking remote controls and looking what other companies have to do uh , what they're building , their designs , their ideas ,


Yes. Thank you. Okay. And uh Ed uh so what's  what do you think about uh this uh project for the remote control and d do you have some already planned something for your marketing strategy or uh the sales strategy ?

Well not yet other than uh doing research and taking remote controls and looking what other companies have to do uh , what they're building , their designs , their ideas ,

uh also have to pinpoint which market we're gonna go into.


Well not yet other than uh doing research and taking remote controls and looking what other companies have to do uh , what they're building , their designs , their ideas ,

uh also have to pinpoint which market we're gonna go into.


uh also have to pinpoint which market we're gonna go into.

It should be a fairly large market because uh the number of people that uh  the competition ,


It should be a fairly large market because uh the number of people that uh  the competition ,

uh th I agree it has to be something  it has to be something new , it has to be something that that draws people saying eh , I like this. Whether it works or not , they have to first say I like this , I like the design , and then it's gotta be simple to use.


It should be a fairly large market because uh the number of people that uh  the competition ,

uh th I agree it has to be something  it has to be something new , it has to be something that that draws people saying eh , I like this. Whether it works or not , they have to first say I like this , I like the design , and then it's gotta be simple to use.

Yes , so what I uh prefer maybe uh you need to interact uh more with the Christine , okay , because you know what she is going to do it , okay , and you know how to sell it. Okay , because uh she is doing the design , but you are the core because you are in the marketing , okay ,


uh th I agree it has to be something  it has to be something new , it has to be something that that draws people saying eh , I like this. Whether it works or not , they have to first say I like this , I like the design , and then it's gotta be simple to use.

Yes , so what I uh prefer maybe uh you need to interact uh more with the Christine , okay , because you know what she is going to do it , okay , and you know how to sell it. Okay , because uh she is doing the design , but you are the core because you are in the marketing , okay ,


uh th I agree it has to be something  it has to be something new , it has to be something that that draws people saying eh , I like this. Whether it works or not , they have to first say I like this , I like the design , and then it's gotta be simple to use.

Yes , so what I uh prefer maybe uh you need to interact uh more with the Christine , okay , because you know what she is going to do it , okay , and you know how to sell it. Okay , because uh she is doing the design , but you are the core because you are in the marketing , okay ,

so because you need to sell  and you're the responsible for the all the money , the finance , okay , tomorrow.


Yes , so what I uh prefer maybe uh you need to interact uh more with the Christine , okay , because you know what she is going to do it , okay , and you know how to sell it. Okay , because uh she is doing the design , but you are the core because you are in the marketing , okay ,

so because you need to sell  and you're the responsible for the all the money , the finance , okay , tomorrow.


so because you need to sell  and you're the responsible for the all the money , the finance , okay , tomorrow.

So , what I prefer , okay , so you need to interact with the Christine more and uh within her team , okay , who is using the functional design or technical design , okay ,


So , what I prefer , okay , so you need to interact with the Christine more and uh within her team , okay , who is using the functional design or technical design , okay ,

and uh you need to come up with some kind of plan , okay , how we are going to do the  your sales plan , okay , th


So , what I prefer , okay , so you need to interact with the Christine more and uh within her team , okay , who is using the functional design or technical design , okay ,

and uh you need to come up with some kind of plan , okay , how we are going to do the  your sales plan , okay , th

Do we already have a cost limit on this , th an idea of how much uh we want to market this for , how much it's gonna sell for ,


and uh you need to come up with some kind of plan , okay , how we are going to do the  your sales plan , okay , th

Do we already have a cost limit on this , th an idea of how much uh we want to market this for , how much it's gonna sell for ,


and uh you need to come up with some kind of plan , okay , how we are going to do the  your sales plan , okay , th

Do we already have a cost limit on this , th an idea of how much uh we want to market this for , how much it's gonna sell for ,

that's up that's up to us to decide , eh ?


Do we already have a cost limit on this , th an idea of how much uh we want to market this for , how much it's gonna sell for ,

that's up that's up to us to decide , eh ?

Yes , that's  you have to decide , okay , so the best thing is you  uh both of uh the Christine and you discuss with yourself , okay , and come up with the cost , and how we are going to compete in the market , okay , in the the technically , or in the sales wise , okay , the commercial wise , okay. Then uh we have to design , okay , how long it will take the whole project , okay , how much is going to cost us , and how much we are going to benefit for the company. Okay , of course it's it's uh of benefit for everybody individually. Okay , so I think it's uh maybe if we can uh give me some kind of your uh the sales plan , okay , including the technical what uh she's going to talk to you within the team , okay , then it will help me to discuss with the management for further , okay , and put it in the the proper project plan. Okay , and if you need uh any coordination in between uh compared to the maybe the some technical vendors or commercial vendors , okay , depends if you want to have some uh uh marketing plan or technical plan , okay , so you let me know.


that's up that's up to us to decide , eh ?

Yes , that's  you have to decide , okay , so the best thing is you  uh both of uh the Christine and you discuss with yourself , okay , and come up with the cost , and how we are going to compete in the market , okay , in the the technically , or in the sales wise , okay , the commercial wise , okay. Then uh we have to design , okay , how long it will take the whole project , okay , how much is going to cost us , and how much we are going to benefit for the company. Okay , of course it's it's uh of benefit for everybody individually. Okay , so I think it's uh maybe if we can uh give me some kind of your uh the sales plan , okay , including the technical what uh she's going to talk to you within the team , okay , then it will help me to discuss with the management for further , okay , and put it in the the proper project plan. Okay , and if you need uh any coordination in between uh compared to the maybe the some technical vendors or commercial vendors , okay , depends if you want to have some uh uh marketing plan or technical plan , okay , so you let me know.


Yes , that's  you have to decide , okay , so the best thing is you  uh both of uh the Christine and you discuss with yourself , okay , and come up with the cost , and how we are going to compete in the market , okay , in the the technically , or in the sales wise , okay , the commercial wise , okay. Then uh we have to design , okay , how long it will take the whole project , okay , how much is going to cost us , and how much we are going to benefit for the company. Okay , of course it's it's uh of benefit for everybody individually. Okay , so I think it's uh maybe if we can uh give me some kind of your uh the sales plan , okay , including the technical what uh she's going to talk to you within the team , okay , then it will help me to discuss with the management for further , okay , and put it in the the proper project plan. Okay , and if you need uh any coordination in between uh compared to the maybe the some technical vendors or commercial vendors , okay , depends if you want to have some uh uh marketing plan or technical plan , okay , so you let me know.


or maybe uh , you are my coordinator , am I right ?


or maybe uh , you are my coordinator , am I right ?

Well , no , not exactly. I mean my job from what I understood was to look at the usability requirements and make sure that the product is usable , it's acceptable to the people who are gonna use it and look at the best ways to do that.


Well , no , not exactly. I mean my job from what I understood was to look at the usability requirements and make sure that the product is usable , it's acceptable to the people who are gonna use it and look at the best ways to do that.


Well , no , not exactly. I mean my job from what I understood was to look at the usability requirements and make sure that the product is usable , it's acceptable to the people who are gonna use it and look at the best ways to do that.

So I think I'll have to interact with Christine and discuss with her , so that she's not designing something that my studies will show right off the bat that it's not going to work ,


So I think I'll have to interact with Christine and discuss with her , so that she's not designing something that my studies will show right off the bat that it's not going to work ,

and so it's sort of  it's a loop that feeds in , but I don't think necessarily that I'm in a coordinating position for it.


So I think I'll have to interact with Christine and discuss with her , so that she's not designing something that my studies will show right off the bat that it's not going to work ,

and so it's sort of  it's a loop that feeds in , but I don't think necessarily that I'm in a coordinating position for it.

Yes. Yeah , so basically you need to interact with Christine more , okay , for the user acceptability , okay , and the testing , okay ,


and so it's sort of  it's a loop that feeds in , but I don't think necessarily that I'm in a coordinating position for it.

Yes. Yeah , so basically you need to interact with Christine more , okay , for the user acceptability , okay , and the testing , okay ,


Yes. Yeah , so basically you need to interact with Christine more , okay , for the user acceptability , okay , and the testing , okay ,

Which will also feed into the marketing ,


Which will also feed into the marketing ,


Which will also feed into the marketing ,

because depending on what users want , depends on how you sell it , what tag lines you attach to it , how you try to make it more attractive to users.


because depending on what users want , depends on how you sell it , what tag lines you attach to it , how you try to make it more attractive to users.

So I think all three groups will need to interact quite a bit. Um , and then I guess build the plan based on all of that , because I think you need to take all the factors into account.


because depending on what users want , depends on how you sell it , what tag lines you attach to it , how you try to make it more attractive to users.

So I think all three groups will need to interact quite a bit. Um , and then I guess build the plan based on all of that , because I think you need to take all the factors into account.

Yep. But what I request , okay ,  keep Ed in the loop , okay , in between your uh meeting and Christine meeting , because uh he should know what's happening.


So I think all three groups will need to interact quite a bit. Um , and then I guess build the plan based on all of that , because I think you need to take all the factors into account.

Yep. But what I request , okay ,  keep Ed in the loop , okay , in between your uh meeting and Christine meeting , because uh he should know what's happening.

Yeah , of course . Yeah , we can C_C_ him on any discussions or documents that are passed around.


So I think all three groups will need to interact quite a bit. Um , and then I guess build the plan based on all of that , because I think you need to take all the factors into account.

Yep. But what I request , okay ,  keep Ed in the loop , okay , in between your uh meeting and Christine meeting , because uh he should know what's happening.

Yeah , of course . Yeah , we can C_C_ him on any discussions or documents that are passed around.

Yes. Okay and please please copy all the mails , okay , all the discussions to me , okay , so I need to submit to the management.


Yep. But what I request , okay ,  keep Ed in the loop , okay , in between your uh meeting and Christine meeting , because uh he should know what's happening.

Yeah , of course . Yeah , we can C_C_ him on any discussions or documents that are passed around.

Yes. Okay and please please copy all the mails , okay , all the discussions to me , okay , so I need to submit to the management.


Yeah , of course . Yeah , we can C_C_ him on any discussions or documents that are passed around.

Yes. Okay and please please copy all the mails , okay , all the discussions to me , okay , so I need to submit to the management.


Yes. Okay and please please copy all the mails , okay , all the discussions to me , okay , so I need to submit to the management.


So , the immediate next step is to start determining the functional design , or


So , the immediate next step is to start determining the functional design , or

Okay. To come up with the functional design and uh to discuss with Ed , okay , and how it's going to be work , and uh first of all with your user acceptance , okay , how it looks like and how it's going to be work in the market , okay ,


Okay. To come up with the functional design and uh to discuss with Ed , okay , and how it's going to be work , and uh first of all with your user acceptance , okay , how it looks like and how it's going to be work in the market , okay ,


Okay. To come up with the functional design and uh to discuss with Ed , okay , and how it's going to be work , and uh first of all with your user acceptance , okay , how it looks like and how it's going to be work in the market , okay ,

so then we can discuss about uh further things. So , we'll meet when the  we'll discuss on the further meeting.


so then we can discuss about uh further things. So , we'll meet when the  we'll discuss on the further meeting.


Would you mind um at the conclusion of our meeting could could you send us a copy of your slides ?


Would you mind um at the conclusion of our meeting could could you send us a copy of your slides ?

I'll copy , uh le let us keep all the emails and all the copies , okay , share each other , okay , so you know everybody what's happening , okay ?


I'll copy , uh le let us keep all the emails and all the copies , okay , share each other , okay , so you know everybody what's happening , okay ?


I'll copy , uh le let us keep all the emails and all the copies , okay , share each other , okay , so you know everybody what's happening , okay ?

And if anything you need anytime so please either you can call me , or just send me email , or uh just come and uh knock my door , okay , so I'm available here. It's good ? Okay , thanks for coming and uh I wish you a nice time then.


And if anything you need anytime so please either you can call me , or just send me email , or uh just come and uh knock my door , okay , so I'm available here. It's good ? Okay , thanks for coming and uh I wish you a nice time then.


We 're , I mean  we  We didn't have a house before.


Yeah , so if  uh   So if anyone hasn't signed the consent form , please do so.


The new consent form. The new and improved consent form.


The new consent form. The new and improved consent form.

Now you won't be able to walk or ride your bike , huh ?


Now you won't be able to walk or ride your bike , huh ?


And uh , shall I go ahead and do some digits ?


And uh , shall I go ahead and do some digits ?

Uh , we were gonna do that at the end , remember ?


And uh , shall I go ahead and do some digits ?

Uh , we were gonna do that at the end , remember ?

Yeah. Just  just to be consistent , from here on in at least , that   that we 'll do it at the end.


Uh , we were gonna do that at the end , remember ?

Yeah. Just  just to be consistent , from here on in at least , that   that we 'll do it at the end.


Yeah. Just  just to be consistent , from here on in at least , that   that we 'll do it at the end.

It 's uh   Yeah , it doesn't matter. OK.


Yeah. Just  just to be consistent , from here on in at least , that   that we 'll do it at the end.

It 's uh   Yeah , it doesn't matter. OK.

OK Um Well , it ju I mean it might be that someone here has to go ,


It 's uh   Yeah , it doesn't matter. OK.

OK Um Well , it ju I mean it might be that someone here has to go ,


It 's uh   Yeah , it doesn't matter. OK.

OK Um Well , it ju I mean it might be that someone here has to go ,

and  Right ? That was  that was sort of the point. So , uh  I had asked actually anybody who had any ideas for an agenda  to send it to me and no one did. So ,


OK Um Well , it ju I mean it might be that someone here has to go ,

and  Right ? That was  that was sort of the point. So , uh  I had asked actually anybody who had any ideas for an agenda  to send it to me and no one did. So ,


and  Right ? That was  that was sort of the point. So , uh  I had asked actually anybody who had any ideas for an agenda  to send it to me and no one did. So ,


and  Right ? That was  that was sort of the point. So , uh  I had asked actually anybody who had any ideas for an agenda  to send it to me and no one did. So ,

From last time I wanted to  Uh   The  An iss uh  one topic from last time.


From last time I wanted to  Uh   The  An iss uh  one topic from last time.

Right , s OK , so one item for an agenda is uh  Jane has some uh  uh some research to talk about , research issues. Um  and  Uh , Adam has some short research issues.


From last time I wanted to  Uh   The  An iss uh  one topic from last time.

Right , s OK , so one item for an agenda is uh  Jane has some uh  uh some research to talk about , research issues. Um  and  Uh , Adam has some short research issues.

Um , I have a  list of things that I think were done over the last three months I was supposed to   send off , uh  and , um  I  I sent a note about it to uh  to Adam and Jane but I think I 'll just run through it  also and see if someone thinks it 's inaccurate or  uh insufficient.


Right , s OK , so one item for an agenda is uh  Jane has some uh  uh some research to talk about , research issues. Um  and  Uh , Adam has some short research issues.

Um , I have a  list of things that I think were done over the last three months I was supposed to   send off , uh  and , um  I  I sent a note about it to uh  to Adam and Jane but I think I 'll just run through it  also and see if someone thinks it 's inaccurate or  uh insufficient.

A list that you have to send off to who ?


Um , I have a  list of things that I think were done over the last three months I was supposed to   send off , uh  and , um  I  I sent a note about it to uh  to Adam and Jane but I think I 'll just run through it  also and see if someone thinks it 's inaccurate or  uh insufficient.

A list that you have to send off to who ?


A list that you have to send off to who ?


So. Um , So , uh  so , I 'll go through that. Um ,  And , Anything else ?  anyone wants to talk about ?


So. Um , So , uh  so , I 'll go through that. Um ,  And , Anything else ?  anyone wants to talk about ?

What about the , um  your trip , yesterday ?


So. Um , So , uh  so , I 'll go through that. Um ,  And , Anything else ?  anyone wants to talk about ?

What about the , um  your trip , yesterday ?

No. OK. Um. Sort of off - topic I guess.


What about the , um  your trip , yesterday ?

No. OK. Um. Sort of off - topic I guess.

Cuz that 's  Cuz that was all  all about the , uh  I  I  I can chat with you about that  off - line. That 's another thing. Um , And , Anything else ? Nothing else ? Uh , there 's a  I mean , there is a   a , um  uh  telephone call tomorrow ,  which will be a conference call  that some of us are involved in  for uh a possible proposal. Um , we 'll talk  we 'll talk about it next week if  if something


No. OK. Um. Sort of off - topic I guess.

Cuz that 's  Cuz that was all  all about the , uh  I  I  I can chat with you about that  off - line. That 's another thing. Um , And , Anything else ? Nothing else ? Uh , there 's a  I mean , there is a   a , um  uh  telephone call tomorrow ,  which will be a conference call  that some of us are involved in  for uh a possible proposal. Um , we 'll talk  we 'll talk about it next week if  if something

Do you want me to  be there for that ? I noticed you C C ' ed me , but I wasn't actually a recipient. I didn't quite know what to make of that.


Cuz that 's  Cuz that was all  all about the , uh  I  I  I can chat with you about that  off - line. That 's another thing. Um , And , Anything else ? Nothing else ? Uh , there 's a  I mean , there is a   a , um  uh  telephone call tomorrow ,  which will be a conference call  that some of us are involved in  for uh a possible proposal. Um , we 'll talk  we 'll talk about it next week if  if something

Do you want me to  be there for that ? I noticed you C C ' ed me , but I wasn't actually a recipient. I didn't quite know what to make of that.

Uh Well , we 'll talk  talk about that after our meeting. OK.


Do you want me to  be there for that ? I noticed you C C ' ed me , but I wasn't actually a recipient. I didn't quite know what to make of that.

Uh Well , we 'll talk  talk about that after our meeting. OK.

Uh , OK. So it sounds like the  the three main things that we have to talk about are , uh this list , uh Jane and  Jane and Adam have some research items , and , other than that , anything ,  as usual ,  anything goes beyond that. OK , uh , Jane , since  since you were sort of cut off last time why don't we start with yours , make sure we get to it.


Uh Well , we 'll talk  talk about that after our meeting. OK.

Uh , OK. So it sounds like the  the three main things that we have to talk about are , uh this list , uh Jane and  Jane and Adam have some research items , and , other than that , anything ,  as usual ,  anything goes beyond that. OK , uh , Jane , since  since you were sort of cut off last time why don't we start with yours , make sure we get to it.

OK , it 's  it 's very  eh  it 's  very brief , I mean  just let me  just hand these out. Oops.


Uh , OK. So it sounds like the  the three main things that we have to talk about are , uh this list , uh Jane and  Jane and Adam have some research items , and , other than that , anything ,  as usual ,  anything goes beyond that. OK , uh , Jane , since  since you were sort of cut off last time why don't we start with yours , make sure we get to it.

OK , it 's  it 's very  eh  it 's  very brief , I mean  just let me  just hand these out. Oops.

Is this the same as the email or different ?


OK , it 's  it 's very  eh  it 's  very brief , I mean  just let me  just hand these out. Oops.

Is this the same as the email or different ?

It 's slightly different. I   basically the same.


Is this the same as the email or different ?

It 's slightly different. I   basically the same.


It 's slightly different. I   basically the same.


It 's slightly different. I   basically the same.

But , same idea. So , if you 've looked at this you 've seen it before , so  Basically ,  um  as you know , uh  part of the encoding  includes a mark that indicates  an overlap. It 's not indicated  with , um  uh , tight precision , it 's just indicated that  OK , so , It 's indicated to  to  so the people know  what parts of sp which  which stretches of speech were in the clear , versus being overlapped by others. So , I  used this mark and , um  and , uh  uh ,  divided the  I wrote a script  which divides things into individual minutes ,  of which we ended up with forty  five , and a little bit. And , uh  you know , minute zero , of course , is the first minute up to  sixty seconds.


But , same idea. So , if you 've looked at this you 've seen it before , so  Basically ,  um  as you know , uh  part of the encoding  includes a mark that indicates  an overlap. It 's not indicated  with , um  uh , tight precision , it 's just indicated that  OK , so , It 's indicated to  to  so the people know  what parts of sp which  which stretches of speech were in the clear , versus being overlapped by others. So , I  used this mark and , um  and , uh  uh ,  divided the  I wrote a script  which divides things into individual minutes ,  of which we ended up with forty  five , and a little bit. And , uh  you know , minute zero , of course , is the first minute up to  sixty seconds.


But , same idea. So , if you 've looked at this you 've seen it before , so  Basically ,  um  as you know , uh  part of the encoding  includes a mark that indicates  an overlap. It 's not indicated  with , um  uh , tight precision , it 's just indicated that  OK , so , It 's indicated to  to  so the people know  what parts of sp which  which stretches of speech were in the clear , versus being overlapped by others. So , I  used this mark and , um  and , uh  uh ,  divided the  I wrote a script  which divides things into individual minutes ,  of which we ended up with forty  five , and a little bit. And , uh  you know , minute zero , of course , is the first minute up to  sixty seconds.

And , um  What you can see is the number of overlaps  and then  to the right ,  whether they involve two speakers , three speakers , or more than three speakers. And ,  um  and , what I was looking for sp sp specifically was the question of  whether they 're distributed evenly throughout or whether they 're  bursts of them. Um. And  it looked to me as though  uh , you know  y this is just   eh  eh , this would  this is not statistically  verified ,  but it  did look to me as though there are bursts throughout , rather than being  localized to a particular region. The part down there , where there 's the maximum number of   of , um  overlaps is an area where we were discussing   whether or not it would be useful to indi to s to  code  stress ,  uh , sentence stress  as possible indication of , uh  information retrieval. So it 's like ,  you know , rather ,  lively discussion there.


But , same idea. So , if you 've looked at this you 've seen it before , so  Basically ,  um  as you know , uh  part of the encoding  includes a mark that indicates  an overlap. It 's not indicated  with , um  uh , tight precision , it 's just indicated that  OK , so , It 's indicated to  to  so the people know  what parts of sp which  which stretches of speech were in the clear , versus being overlapped by others. So , I  used this mark and , um  and , uh  uh ,  divided the  I wrote a script  which divides things into individual minutes ,  of which we ended up with forty  five , and a little bit. And , uh  you know , minute zero , of course , is the first minute up to  sixty seconds.

And , um  What you can see is the number of overlaps  and then  to the right ,  whether they involve two speakers , three speakers , or more than three speakers. And ,  um  and , what I was looking for sp sp specifically was the question of  whether they 're distributed evenly throughout or whether they 're  bursts of them. Um. And  it looked to me as though  uh , you know  y this is just   eh  eh , this would  this is not statistically  verified ,  but it  did look to me as though there are bursts throughout , rather than being  localized to a particular region. The part down there , where there 's the maximum number of   of , um  overlaps is an area where we were discussing   whether or not it would be useful to indi to s to  code  stress ,  uh , sentence stress  as possible indication of , uh  information retrieval. So it 's like ,  you know , rather ,  lively discussion there.

What was  what 's the  the parenthesized stuff  that says , like  e the first one that says six overlaps and then two point eight ?


And , um  What you can see is the number of overlaps  and then  to the right ,  whether they involve two speakers , three speakers , or more than three speakers. And ,  um  and , what I was looking for sp sp specifically was the question of  whether they 're distributed evenly throughout or whether they 're  bursts of them. Um. And  it looked to me as though  uh , you know  y this is just   eh  eh , this would  this is not statistically  verified ,  but it  did look to me as though there are bursts throughout , rather than being  localized to a particular region. The part down there , where there 's the maximum number of   of , um  overlaps is an area where we were discussing   whether or not it would be useful to indi to s to  code  stress ,  uh , sentence stress  as possible indication of , uh  information retrieval. So it 's like ,  you know , rather ,  lively discussion there.

What was  what 's the  the parenthesized stuff  that says , like  e the first one that says six overlaps and then two point eight ?


What was  what 's the  the parenthesized stuff  that says , like  e the first one that says six overlaps and then two point eight ?

So , six is , uh  two point eight percent  of the total number of overlaps in the  session.


So , six is , uh  two point eight percent  of the total number of overlaps in the  session.


At the very end , this is when people were ,  you know , packing up to go basically , there 's  this final stuff , I think we   I don't remember where the digits  fell. I 'd have to look at that. But  the final three there are no overlaps at all. And  couple times there  are not.


At the very end , this is when people were ,  you know , packing up to go basically , there 's  this final stuff , I think we   I don't remember where the digits  fell. I 'd have to look at that. But  the final three there are no overlaps at all. And  couple times there  are not.

So , i it seems like it goes through bursts  but , um  that 's kind of it.


So , i it seems like it goes through bursts  but , um  that 's kind of it.

Now ,  Another question is  is there  are there  individual differences in whether you 're likely to be overlapped with or to overlap with others. And , again  I want to emphasize this is just one  particular  um   one particular meeting , and also there 's been no statistical testing of it all , but  I , um  I took the coding of  the  I , you know , my  I had this script  figure out , um  who  was the first speaker , who was the second speaker involved in a two - person overlap , I didn't look at the ones involving three or more. And , um   this is how it breaks down in the individual cells of  who tended to be overlapping most often with who  who else , and  if you look at the marginal totals , which is the ones on the right side and across the bottom , you get  the totals for an individual. So ,  um  If you  look at the bottom , those are the , um  numbers of overlaps in which  um  Adam was involved as the person doing the overlapping and if you look  I 'm sorry , but you 're o alphabetical , that 's why I 'm choosing you And then if you look across the right ,  then  that 's where he was the  person who was the sp first speaker in the pair  and got overlap overlapped with by somebody.


Now ,  Another question is  is there  are there  individual differences in whether you 're likely to be overlapped with or to overlap with others. And , again  I want to emphasize this is just one  particular  um   one particular meeting , and also there 's been no statistical testing of it all , but  I , um  I took the coding of  the  I , you know , my  I had this script  figure out , um  who  was the first speaker , who was the second speaker involved in a two - person overlap , I didn't look at the ones involving three or more. And , um   this is how it breaks down in the individual cells of  who tended to be overlapping most often with who  who else , and  if you look at the marginal totals , which is the ones on the right side and across the bottom , you get  the totals for an individual. So ,  um  If you  look at the bottom , those are the , um  numbers of overlaps in which  um  Adam was involved as the person doing the overlapping and if you look  I 'm sorry , but you 're o alphabetical , that 's why I 'm choosing you And then if you look across the right ,  then  that 's where he was the  person who was the sp first speaker in the pair  and got overlap overlapped with by somebody.


Now ,  Another question is  is there  are there  individual differences in whether you 're likely to be overlapped with or to overlap with others. And , again  I want to emphasize this is just one  particular  um   one particular meeting , and also there 's been no statistical testing of it all , but  I , um  I took the coding of  the  I , you know , my  I had this script  figure out , um  who  was the first speaker , who was the second speaker involved in a two - person overlap , I didn't look at the ones involving three or more. And , um   this is how it breaks down in the individual cells of  who tended to be overlapping most often with who  who else , and  if you look at the marginal totals , which is the ones on the right side and across the bottom , you get  the totals for an individual. So ,  um  If you  look at the bottom , those are the , um  numbers of overlaps in which  um  Adam was involved as the person doing the overlapping and if you look  I 'm sorry , but you 're o alphabetical , that 's why I 'm choosing you And then if you look across the right ,  then  that 's where he was the  person who was the sp first speaker in the pair  and got overlap overlapped with by somebody.

And ,  then if you look down in the summary table ,  then you see that , um  th they 're differences in  whether a person got overlapped with or  overlapped by.


And ,  then if you look down in the summary table ,  then you see that , um  th they 're differences in  whether a person got overlapped with or  overlapped by.


And ,  then if you look down in the summary table ,  then you see that , um  th they 're differences in  whether a person got overlapped with or  overlapped by.

So it would be interesting to see how much each person spoke.


So it would be interesting to see how much each person spoke.


it would be good to normalize with respect to that. Now on the table I did  take one step toward , uh  away from the raw frequencies by putting ,  uh  percentages. So that the percentage of time  of the  of the times that a person spoke ,  what percentage  eh , w so. Of the times a person spoke and furthermore was involved in a two two - person overlap ,   what percentage of the time were they the overlapper and what percent of the time were they th the overlappee ? And there , it looks like you see some differences , um ,  that some people tend to be overlapped  with more often than they 're overlapped , but , of course , uh i e  this is just one meeting ,  uh  there 's no statistical testing involved , and that would be  required for a  for a finding  of  any  kind of  scientific  reliability.


it would be good to normalize with respect to that. Now on the table I did  take one step toward , uh  away from the raw frequencies by putting ,  uh  percentages. So that the percentage of time  of the  of the times that a person spoke ,  what percentage  eh , w so. Of the times a person spoke and furthermore was involved in a two two - person overlap ,   what percentage of the time were they the overlapper and what percent of the time were they th the overlappee ? And there , it looks like you see some differences , um ,  that some people tend to be overlapped  with more often than they 're overlapped , but , of course , uh i e  this is just one meeting ,  uh  there 's no statistical testing involved , and that would be  required for a  for a finding  of  any  kind of  scientific  reliability.

S so , i it would be statistically incorrect to conclude from this that Adam talked too much or something.


it would be good to normalize with respect to that. Now on the table I did  take one step toward , uh  away from the raw frequencies by putting ,  uh  percentages. So that the percentage of time  of the  of the times that a person spoke ,  what percentage  eh , w so. Of the times a person spoke and furthermore was involved in a two two - person overlap ,   what percentage of the time were they the overlapper and what percent of the time were they th the overlappee ? And there , it looks like you see some differences , um ,  that some people tend to be overlapped  with more often than they 're overlapped , but , of course , uh i e  this is just one meeting ,  uh  there 's no statistical testing involved , and that would be  required for a  for a finding  of  any  kind of  scientific  reliability.

S so , i it would be statistically incorrect to conclude from this that Adam talked too much or something.

No  no actually , that would be actually statistically correct ,


S so , i it would be statistically incorrect to conclude from this that Adam talked too much or something.

No  no actually , that would be actually statistically correct ,


No  no actually , that would be actually statistically correct ,


That 's right. And I 'm  you know , I 'm  I don't see a point of singling people out ,


That 's right. And I 'm  you know , I 'm  I don't see a point of singling people out ,

B I  I  I rather enjoyed it , but  but this


B I  I  I rather enjoyed it , but  but this


Well ,  you know , it 's like  I 'm not  I 'm not saying on the tape who did  better or worse


Well ,  you know , it 's like  I 'm not  I 'm not saying on the tape who did  better or worse

Yes , that 's right , so you don't nee OK.


Well ,  you know , it 's like  I 'm not  I 'm not saying on the tape who did  better or worse

Yes , that 's right , so you don't nee OK.

because  I don't think that it 's  I  you know , and  and th here 's a case where of course , human subjects people would say be sure that you anonymize the results ,  and  and , so , might as well do this.


Yes , that 's right , so you don't nee OK.

because  I don't think that it 's  I  you know , and  and th here 's a case where of course , human subjects people would say be sure that you anonymize the results ,  and  and , so , might as well do this.


because  I don't think that it 's  I  you know , and  and th here 's a case where of course , human subjects people would say be sure that you anonymize the results ,  and  and , so , might as well do this.

Yeah , when  this is what  This is actually  when Jane sent this email first , is what caused me to start thinking about anonymizing the data.


Yeah , when  this is what  This is actually  when Jane sent this email first , is what caused me to start thinking about anonymizing the data.


Yeah , when  this is what  This is actually  when Jane sent this email first , is what caused me to start thinking about anonymizing the data.

And actually ,  you know , the point is not about an individual , it 's the point about  tendencies toward  you know , different styles , different speaker styles.


And actually ,  you know , the point is not about an individual , it 's the point about  tendencies toward  you know , different styles , different speaker styles.


And actually ,  you know , the point is not about an individual , it 's the point about  tendencies toward  you know , different styles , different speaker styles.

And  it would be , you know  of course ,  there 's also the question of what type of overlap was this , and w what were they , and i and I  and I know that I can distinguish at least three types and , probably more , I mean , the  general   cultural idea which w uh , the conversation analysts originally started with in the seventies was that we have this  strict model where politeness involves that you let the person finish th before you start talking , and  and you know , I mean ,  w we know that   an and they 've loosened up on that too s in the intervening time , that  that that 's  that 's viewed as being  a culturally - relative thing , I mean ,  that you have the high - involvement style from the East Coast where people  will overlap often as an indication of interest in what the other person is saying. And


And  it would be , you know  of course ,  there 's also the question of what type of overlap was this , and w what were they , and i and I  and I know that I can distinguish at least three types and , probably more , I mean , the  general   cultural idea which w uh , the conversation analysts originally started with in the seventies was that we have this  strict model where politeness involves that you let the person finish th before you start talking , and  and you know , I mean ,  w we know that   an and they 've loosened up on that too s in the intervening time , that  that that 's  that 's viewed as being  a culturally - relative thing , I mean ,  that you have the high - involvement style from the East Coast where people  will overlap often as an indication of interest in what the other person is saying. And


Well , there you go. Fine , that 's alright , that 's OK. And  and ,  you know , in contrast , so Deborah  d and also Deborah Tannen 's  thesis she talked about differences of these types ,  that they 're just different styles , and it 's um  you  you can't impose a model of   there  of the ideal being no overlaps , and  you know , conversational analysts also agree with that , so it 's  now , universally  a ag agreed with. And  and , als I mean , I can't say universally , but anyway , the people who used to say it was strict ,  um  now , uh  don't. I mean they  they  also   you know , uh  uh , ack acknowledge the influence of  sub of subcultural norms and  cross - cultural norms and things. So , um Then it beco  though  so  just  just superficially to give  um  a couple ideas of the types of overlaps involved , I have at the bottom several that I noticed. So ,   uh , there are backchannels , like what Adam just did now and , um   um , anticipating the end of a question and  simply answering it earlier , and there are several of those in this  in these data where


Well , there you go. Fine , that 's alright , that 's OK. And  and ,  you know , in contrast , so Deborah  d and also Deborah Tannen 's  thesis she talked about differences of these types ,  that they 're just different styles , and it 's um  you  you can't impose a model of   there  of the ideal being no overlaps , and  you know , conversational analysts also agree with that , so it 's  now , universally  a ag agreed with. And  and , als I mean , I can't say universally , but anyway , the people who used to say it was strict ,  um  now , uh  don't. I mean they  they  also   you know , uh  uh , ack acknowledge the influence of  sub of subcultural norms and  cross - cultural norms and things. So , um Then it beco  though  so  just  just superficially to give  um  a couple ideas of the types of overlaps involved , I have at the bottom several that I noticed. So ,   uh , there are backchannels , like what Adam just did now and , um   um , anticipating the end of a question and  simply answering it earlier , and there are several of those in this  in these data where

because we 're  people who 've talked to each other , um  we know  basically what the topic is , what the possibilities are and w and we 've spoken with each other so we know basically what the other person 's style is likely to be and so  and t there are a number of places where someone just answered early. No problem. And places  also which I thought were interesting , where two or more people gave exactly th the same answer in unison  different words of course but you know , the  basically ,  you know everyone 's saying " yes " or  you know , or ev even more sp specific than that. So , uh , the point is that , um   overlap 's not necessarily a bad thing and that it would be im  i useful to subdivide these further and see if there are individual differences in styles with respect to the types involved. And that 's all I wanted to say on that ,  unless people have questions.


Well , there you go. Fine , that 's alright , that 's OK. And  and ,  you know , in contrast , so Deborah  d and also Deborah Tannen 's  thesis she talked about differences of these types ,  that they 're just different styles , and it 's um  you  you can't impose a model of   there  of the ideal being no overlaps , and  you know , conversational analysts also agree with that , so it 's  now , universally  a ag agreed with. And  and , als I mean , I can't say universally , but anyway , the people who used to say it was strict ,  um  now , uh  don't. I mean they  they  also   you know , uh  uh , ack acknowledge the influence of  sub of subcultural norms and  cross - cultural norms and things. So , um Then it beco  though  so  just  just superficially to give  um  a couple ideas of the types of overlaps involved , I have at the bottom several that I noticed. So ,   uh , there are backchannels , like what Adam just did now and , um   um , anticipating the end of a question and  simply answering it earlier , and there are several of those in this  in these data where

because we 're  people who 've talked to each other , um  we know  basically what the topic is , what the possibilities are and w and we 've spoken with each other so we know basically what the other person 's style is likely to be and so  and t there are a number of places where someone just answered early. No problem. And places  also which I thought were interesting , where two or more people gave exactly th the same answer in unison  different words of course but you know , the  basically ,  you know everyone 's saying " yes " or  you know , or ev even more sp specific than that. So , uh , the point is that , um   overlap 's not necessarily a bad thing and that it would be im  i useful to subdivide these further and see if there are individual differences in styles with respect to the types involved. And that 's all I wanted to say on that ,  unless people have questions.

Well , of course th the biggest ,  um  result here , which is one we 've   we 've talked about many times and isn't new to us , but which I think would be interesting to show someone who isn't familiar with this   is just the sheer number of overlaps.


because we 're  people who 've talked to each other , um  we know  basically what the topic is , what the possibilities are and w and we 've spoken with each other so we know basically what the other person 's style is likely to be and so  and t there are a number of places where someone just answered early. No problem. And places  also which I thought were interesting , where two or more people gave exactly th the same answer in unison  different words of course but you know , the  basically ,  you know everyone 's saying " yes " or  you know , or ev even more sp specific than that. So , uh , the point is that , um   overlap 's not necessarily a bad thing and that it would be im  i useful to subdivide these further and see if there are individual differences in styles with respect to the types involved. And that 's all I wanted to say on that ,  unless people have questions.

Well , of course th the biggest ,  um  result here , which is one we 've   we 've talked about many times and isn't new to us , but which I think would be interesting to show someone who isn't familiar with this   is just the sheer number of overlaps.


Well , of course th the biggest ,  um  result here , which is one we 've   we 've talked about many times and isn't new to us , but which I think would be interesting to show someone who isn't familiar with this   is just the sheer number of overlaps.


here 's a relatively short meeting , it 's a forty   forty plus minute   meeting , and not only were there two hundred and fifteen overlaps   but ,  uh I think there 's one   one minute there where there  where  where there wasn't any overlap ?


here 's a relatively short meeting , it 's a forty   forty plus minute   meeting , and not only were there two hundred and fifteen overlaps   but ,  uh I think there 's one   one minute there where there  where  where there wasn't any overlap ?

I mean , it 's    uh throughout this thing ?


I mean , it 's    uh throughout this thing ?


I mean , it 's    uh throughout this thing ?

Well , at the bottom , you have the bottom three.


Well , at the bottom , you have the bottom three.


Well , at the bottom , you have the bottom three.

So four  four minutes all together with none  none.


So four  four minutes all together with none  none.


So four  four minutes all together with none  none.

Oh , so the bottom three did have s stuff going on ? There was speech ?


So four  four minutes all together with none  none.

Oh , so the bottom three did have s stuff going on ? There was speech ?

Yes , uh - huh. Yeah. But just no overlaps.


Oh , so the bottom three did have s stuff going on ? There was speech ?

Yes , uh - huh. Yeah. But just no overlaps.


Oh , so the bottom three did have s stuff going on ? There was speech ?

Yes , uh - huh. Yeah. But just no overlaps.

It 'd be interesting to see what the total amount of time is in the overlaps , versus


Yes , uh - huh. Yeah. But just no overlaps.

It 'd be interesting to see what the total amount of time is in the overlaps , versus

Yes , exactly and that 's  that 's where Jose 's pro project comes in.


It 'd be interesting to see what the total amount of time is in the overlaps , versus

Yes , exactly and that 's  that 's where Jose 's pro project comes in.

Yeah , yeah , I h I have this that infor I have th that information now.


Yes , exactly and that 's  that 's where Jose 's pro project comes in.

Yeah , yeah , I h I have this that infor I have th that information now.


Yeah , yeah , I h I have this that infor I have th that information now.


The  the duration of eh  of each of the overlaps.


The  the duration of eh  of each of the overlaps.

O oh , what 's  what 's the  what 's the average  length ?


The  the duration of eh  of each of the overlaps.

O oh , what 's  what 's the  what 's the average  length ?

M I  I haven't averaged it now but , uh  I  I will , uh I will do the  the study of the   with the  with the program with the  uh , the different , uh  the , nnn ,  distribution of the duration of the overlaps.


The  the duration of eh  of each of the overlaps.

O oh , what 's  what 's the  what 's the average  length ?

M I  I haven't averaged it now but , uh  I  I will , uh I will do the  the study of the   with the  with the program with the  uh , the different , uh  the , nnn ,  distribution of the duration of the overlaps.

You don't know ? OK , you  you don you don't have a feeling for roughly how  much it is ? Yeah.


O oh , what 's  what 's the  what 's the average  length ?

M I  I haven't averaged it now but , uh  I  I will , uh I will do the  the study of the   with the  with the program with the  uh , the different , uh  the , nnn ,  distribution of the duration of the overlaps.

You don't know ? OK , you  you don you don't have a feeling for roughly how  much it is ? Yeah.

mmm ,  Because the  the uh , @ @ is @ @.


M I  I haven't averaged it now but , uh  I  I will , uh I will do the  the study of the   with the  with the program with the  uh , the different , uh  the , nnn ,  distribution of the duration of the overlaps.

You don't know ? OK , you  you don you don't have a feeling for roughly how  much it is ? Yeah.

mmm ,  Because the  the uh , @ @ is @ @.


You don't know ? OK , you  you don you don't have a feeling for roughly how  much it is ? Yeah.

mmm ,  Because the  the uh , @ @ is @ @.

The duration is , uh  the variation  the variation of the duration is uh , very big on the dat


mmm ,  Because the  the uh , @ @ is @ @.

The duration is , uh  the variation  the variation of the duration is uh , very big on the dat


The duration is , uh  the variation  the variation of the duration is uh , very big on the dat

I suspect that it will also differ ,  depending on the type of overlap  involved.


I suspect that it will also differ ,  depending on the type of overlap  involved.


Because , on your surface eh  a bit of zone of overlapping with the duration eh , overlapped and another very very short.


Because , on your surface eh  a bit of zone of overlapping with the duration eh , overlapped and another very very short.

Uh , i probably it 's very difficult to  to  because the  the overlap is , uh on is only the  in the final " S " of the  of the  the fin the  the end  the end word of the , um  previous speaker  with the  the next word of the  the new speaker.


Uh , i probably it 's very difficult to  to  because the  the overlap is , uh on is only the  in the final " S " of the  of the  the fin the  the end  the end word of the , um  previous speaker  with the  the next word of the  the new speaker.


Uh , i probably it 's very difficult to  to  because the  the overlap is , uh on is only the  in the final " S " of the  of the  the fin the  the end  the end word of the , um  previous speaker  with the  the next word of the  the new speaker.

Um , I considered  that 's an overlap but it 's very short , it 's an " X " with a  and  the idea is probably , eh  when eh  when eh , we studied th th that zone , eh   eh , we h we have eh eh  confusion with eh eh noise.


Um , I considered  that 's an overlap but it 's very short , it 's an " X " with a  and  the idea is probably , eh  when eh  when eh , we studied th th that zone , eh   eh , we h we have eh eh  confusion with eh eh noise.

With eh  that fricative sounds , but uh  I have new information but I have to  to study.


With eh  that fricative sounds , but uh  I have new information but I have to  to study.


You split this by minute , um  so if an overlap straddles  the boundary between two minutes , that counts towards both of those minutes.


You split this by minute , um  so if an overlap straddles  the boundary between two minutes , that counts towards both of those minutes.

Yes. Mm - hmm. Actually , um  um  actually not. Uh , so  le let 's think about the case where  A starts speaking   and then B overlaps with A ,  and then the minute boundary happens. And let 's say that  after that minute boundary ,  um  B is still speaking ,  and A overlaps  with B , that would be a new overlap. But otherwise  um , let 's say B  comes to the conclusion of  of that turn without  anyone overlapping with him or her , in which case there would be no overlap counted in that second minute.


You split this by minute , um  so if an overlap straddles  the boundary between two minutes , that counts towards both of those minutes.

Yes. Mm - hmm. Actually , um  um  actually not. Uh , so  le let 's think about the case where  A starts speaking   and then B overlaps with A ,  and then the minute boundary happens. And let 's say that  after that minute boundary ,  um  B is still speaking ,  and A overlaps  with B , that would be a new overlap. But otherwise  um , let 's say B  comes to the conclusion of  of that turn without  anyone overlapping with him or her , in which case there would be no overlap counted in that second minute.

No , but suppose they both talk simultaneously   both a  a portion of it is in minute one and another portion of minute two.


You split this by minute , um  so if an overlap straddles  the boundary between two minutes , that counts towards both of those minutes.

Yes. Mm - hmm. Actually , um  um  actually not. Uh , so  le let 's think about the case where  A starts speaking   and then B overlaps with A ,  and then the minute boundary happens. And let 's say that  after that minute boundary ,  um  B is still speaking ,  and A overlaps  with B , that would be a new overlap. But otherwise  um , let 's say B  comes to the conclusion of  of that turn without  anyone overlapping with him or her , in which case there would be no overlap counted in that second minute.

No , but suppose they both talk simultaneously   both a  a portion of it is in minute one and another portion of minute two.

OK. In that case , um  my c  the coding that I was using   since we haven't ,  uh  incorporated Adam 's , uh  coding of overlap yets , the coding of Yeah , " yets " is not a word. Uh  since we haven't incorporated Adam 's method of handling overl overlaps yet  um  then  that would have fallen through the cra cracks. It would be an underestimate of the number of overlaps because , um  I wou I wouldn't be able to pick it up from the way it was  encoded so far.


Yes. Mm - hmm. Actually , um  um  actually not. Uh , so  le let 's think about the case where  A starts speaking   and then B overlaps with A ,  and then the minute boundary happens. And let 's say that  after that minute boundary ,  um  B is still speaking ,  and A overlaps  with B , that would be a new overlap. But otherwise  um , let 's say B  comes to the conclusion of  of that turn without  anyone overlapping with him or her , in which case there would be no overlap counted in that second minute.

No , but suppose they both talk simultaneously   both a  a portion of it is in minute one and another portion of minute two.

OK. In that case , um  my c  the coding that I was using   since we haven't ,  uh  incorporated Adam 's , uh  coding of overlap yets , the coding of Yeah , " yets " is not a word. Uh  since we haven't incorporated Adam 's method of handling overl overlaps yet  um  then  that would have fallen through the cra cracks. It would be an underestimate of the number of overlaps because , um  I wou I wouldn't be able to pick it up from the way it was  encoded so far.


No , but suppose they both talk simultaneously   both a  a portion of it is in minute one and another portion of minute two.

OK. In that case , um  my c  the coding that I was using   since we haven't ,  uh  incorporated Adam 's , uh  coding of overlap yets , the coding of Yeah , " yets " is not a word. Uh  since we haven't incorporated Adam 's method of handling overl overlaps yet  um  then  that would have fallen through the cra cracks. It would be an underestimate of the number of overlaps because , um  I wou I wouldn't be able to pick it up from the way it was  encoded so far.

We just haven't done th the precise second to sec you know ,  second to second coding of when they occur.


OK. In that case , um  my c  the coding that I was using   since we haven't ,  uh  incorporated Adam 's , uh  coding of overlap yets , the coding of Yeah , " yets " is not a word. Uh  since we haven't incorporated Adam 's method of handling overl overlaps yet  um  then  that would have fallen through the cra cracks. It would be an underestimate of the number of overlaps because , um  I wou I wouldn't be able to pick it up from the way it was  encoded so far.

We just haven't done th the precise second to sec you know ,  second to second coding of when they occur.

I I I 'm  I 'm  I 'm confused now. So l l let me restate what I thought Andreas was saying and  and see.


We just haven't done th the precise second to sec you know ,  second to second coding of when they occur.

I I I 'm  I 'm  I 'm confused now. So l l let me restate what I thought Andreas was saying and  and see.


We just haven't done th the precise second to sec you know ,  second to second coding of when they occur.

I I I 'm  I 'm  I 'm confused now. So l l let me restate what I thought Andreas was saying and  and see.

Let 's say that in  in second fifty - seven   of one minute ,  you start talking and I start talking and  we ignore each other and keep on talking for six seconds.


I I I 'm  I 'm  I 'm confused now. So l l let me restate what I thought Andreas was saying and  and see.

Let 's say that in  in second fifty - seven   of one minute ,  you start talking and I start talking and  we ignore each other and keep on talking for six seconds.


Let 's say that in  in second fifty - seven   of one minute ,  you start talking and I start talking and  we ignore each other and keep on talking for six seconds.

So we go over  So we were  we were talking over one another ,  and it 's just  in each case , it 's just sort of one  interval. Right ?


So we go over  So we were  we were talking over one another ,  and it 's just  in each case , it 's just sort of one  interval. Right ?

So , um  we talked over the minute boundary. Is this  considered as one overlap in each of the minutes , the way you have done this.


So we go over  So we were  we were talking over one another ,  and it 's just  in each case , it 's just sort of one  interval. Right ?

So , um  we talked over the minute boundary. Is this  considered as one overlap in each of the minutes , the way you have done this.

No , it wouldn't. It would be considered as an overlap in the first one.


So , um  we talked over the minute boundary. Is this  considered as one overlap in each of the minutes , the way you have done this.

No , it wouldn't. It would be considered as an overlap in the first one.

OK , so that 's  good , i I think , in the sense that I think Andreas meant the question ,


So , um  we talked over the minute boundary. Is this  considered as one overlap in each of the minutes , the way you have done this.

No , it wouldn't. It would be considered as an overlap in the first one.

OK , so that 's  good , i I think , in the sense that I think Andreas meant the question ,

That 's   that 's good , yeah , cuz the overall rate is


No , it wouldn't. It would be considered as an overlap in the first one.

OK , so that 's  good , i I think , in the sense that I think Andreas meant the question ,

That 's   that 's good , yeah , cuz the overall rate is


OK , so that 's  good , i I think , in the sense that I think Andreas meant the question ,

That 's   that 's good , yeah , cuz the overall rate is


That 's   that 's good , yeah , cuz the overall rate is


Other - otherwise you 'd get double counts , here and there.


I should also say I did a simplifying , uh  count in that  if A was speaking  B overlapped with A and then A came back again and overlapped with B again , I  I didn't count that as a three - person overlap , I counted that as a two - person overlap ,  and it was A being overlapped with by D.


I should also say I did a simplifying , uh  count in that  if A was speaking  B overlapped with A and then A came back again and overlapped with B again , I  I didn't count that as a three - person overlap , I counted that as a two - person overlap ,  and it was A being overlapped with by D.

Because the idea was the first speaker  had the floor  and the second person  started speaking and then the f the first person reasserted the floor  kind of thing.


Because the idea was the first speaker  had the floor  and the second person  started speaking and then the f the first person reasserted the floor  kind of thing.

These are simplifying assumptions , didn't happen very often , there may be like three overlaps affected that way in the whole thing.


Because the idea was the first speaker  had the floor  and the second person  started speaking and then the f the first person reasserted the floor  kind of thing.

These are simplifying assumptions , didn't happen very often , there may be like three overlaps affected that way in the whole thing.

I want to go back and listen to minute forty - one.


These are simplifying assumptions , didn't happen very often , there may be like three overlaps affected that way in the whole thing.

I want to go back and listen to minute forty - one.


These are simplifying assumptions , didn't happen very often , there may be like three overlaps affected that way in the whole thing.

I want to go back and listen to minute forty - one.

Cuz i i I find it interesting that there were a large number of overlaps and they were all two - speaker.


I want to go back and listen to minute forty - one.

Cuz i i I find it interesting that there were a large number of overlaps and they were all two - speaker.


Cuz i i I find it interesting that there were a large number of overlaps and they were all two - speaker.

I mean what I thought  what I would have thought in  is that when there were a large number of overlaps , it was because everyone was talking at once ,  but uh apparently not.


Cuz i i I find it interesting that there were a large number of overlaps and they were all two - speaker.

I mean what I thought  what I would have thought in  is that when there were a large number of overlaps , it was because everyone was talking at once ,  but uh apparently not.

That 's interesting. That 's interesting.


I mean what I thought  what I would have thought in  is that when there were a large number of overlaps , it was because everyone was talking at once ,  but uh apparently not.

That 's interesting. That 's interesting.


That 's interesting. That 's interesting.


Yeah , there 's a lot of backchannel , a lot o a lot of


Yeah , there 's a lot of backchannel , a lot o a lot of

I think what 's really interesting though , it is  before d  saying " yes , meetings have a lot of overlaps " is to actually find out how many more  we have than two - party.


I think what 's really interesting though , it is  before d  saying " yes , meetings have a lot of overlaps " is to actually find out how many more  we have than two - party.


I think what 's really interesting though , it is  before d  saying " yes , meetings have a lot of overlaps " is to actually find out how many more  we have than two - party.

Cuz in two - party conversations , like Switchboard , there 's an awful lot too if you just look at backchannels , if you consider those overlaps ? it 's also ver it 's huge. It 's just that people haven't been  looking at that because they 've been doing single - channel processing for  speech recognition.


Cuz in two - party conversations , like Switchboard , there 's an awful lot too if you just look at backchannels , if you consider those overlaps ? it 's also ver it 's huge. It 's just that people haven't been  looking at that because they 've been doing single - channel processing for  speech recognition.


Cuz in two - party conversations , like Switchboard , there 's an awful lot too if you just look at backchannels , if you consider those overlaps ? it 's also ver it 's huge. It 's just that people haven't been  looking at that because they 've been doing single - channel processing for  speech recognition.

So , the question is , you know , how many more overlaps   do you have  of , say the two - person type , by adding more people. to a meeting , and it may be a lot more but i it may   it may not be.


So , the question is , you know , how many more overlaps   do you have  of , say the two - person type , by adding more people. to a meeting , and it may be a lot more but i it may   it may not be.

Well , but see , I find it interesting even if it wasn't any more ,


So , the question is , you know , how many more overlaps   do you have  of , say the two - person type , by adding more people. to a meeting , and it may be a lot more but i it may   it may not be.

Well , but see , I find it interesting even if it wasn't any more ,

because  since we were dealing with this full duplex sort of thing in Switchboard where it was just all separated out  we just  everything was just nice ,


Well , but see , I find it interesting even if it wasn't any more ,

because  since we were dealing with this full duplex sort of thing in Switchboard where it was just all separated out  we just  everything was just nice ,


because  since we were dealing with this full duplex sort of thing in Switchboard where it was just all separated out  we just  everything was just nice ,

so that  so the issue is in  in a situation  where th that 's


because  since we were dealing with this full duplex sort of thing in Switchboard where it was just all separated out  we just  everything was just nice ,

so that  so the issue is in  in a situation  where th that 's

Well , it 's not really  " nice ". It depends what you 're doing. So if you were actually   having , uh  depends what you 're doing , if  Right now we 're do we have individual mikes on the people in this meeting. So the question is , you know  " are there really more overlaps happening than there would be in a two - person  party ".


so that  so the issue is in  in a situation  where th that 's

Well , it 's not really  " nice ". It depends what you 're doing. So if you were actually   having , uh  depends what you 're doing , if  Right now we 're do we have individual mikes on the people in this meeting. So the question is , you know  " are there really more overlaps happening than there would be in a two - person  party ".


Well , it 's not really  " nice ". It depends what you 're doing. So if you were actually   having , uh  depends what you 're doing , if  Right now we 're do we have individual mikes on the people in this meeting. So the question is , you know  " are there really more overlaps happening than there would be in a two - person  party ".

Let  let m let me rephrase what I 'm saying cuz I don't think I 'm getting it across. What  what I  what  I shouldn't use words like " nice " because maybe that 's too  i too imprecise. But what I mean is  that , um in Switchboard ,  despite the many  many other problems that we have , one problem that we 're not considering is overlap. And what we 're doing now is ,  aside from the many other differences in the task , we are considering overlap and one of the reasons that we 're considering it ,  you know , one of them not all of them , one of them is  that w uh at least ,  you know I 'm very interested in  the scenario in which , uh  both people talking are pretty much equally  audible ,  and from a single microphone. And so ,  in that case , it does get mixed in ,  and it 's pretty hard to jus  to just ignore it , to just do processing on one and not on the other.


Let  let m let me rephrase what I 'm saying cuz I don't think I 'm getting it across. What  what I  what  I shouldn't use words like " nice " because maybe that 's too  i too imprecise. But what I mean is  that , um in Switchboard ,  despite the many  many other problems that we have , one problem that we 're not considering is overlap. And what we 're doing now is ,  aside from the many other differences in the task , we are considering overlap and one of the reasons that we 're considering it ,  you know , one of them not all of them , one of them is  that w uh at least ,  you know I 'm very interested in  the scenario in which , uh  both people talking are pretty much equally  audible ,  and from a single microphone. And so ,  in that case , it does get mixed in ,  and it 's pretty hard to jus  to just ignore it , to just do processing on one and not on the other.

I  I agree that it 's an issue here  but it 's also an issue for Switchboard and if you  think of meetings  being recorded over the telephone , which I think , you know , this whole point of studying meetings isn't just to have people in a room but to also have  meetings over different phone lines.


Let  let m let me rephrase what I 'm saying cuz I don't think I 'm getting it across. What  what I  what  I shouldn't use words like " nice " because maybe that 's too  i too imprecise. But what I mean is  that , um in Switchboard ,  despite the many  many other problems that we have , one problem that we 're not considering is overlap. And what we 're doing now is ,  aside from the many other differences in the task , we are considering overlap and one of the reasons that we 're considering it ,  you know , one of them not all of them , one of them is  that w uh at least ,  you know I 'm very interested in  the scenario in which , uh  both people talking are pretty much equally  audible ,  and from a single microphone. And so ,  in that case , it does get mixed in ,  and it 's pretty hard to jus  to just ignore it , to just do processing on one and not on the other.

I  I agree that it 's an issue here  but it 's also an issue for Switchboard and if you  think of meetings  being recorded over the telephone , which I think , you know , this whole point of studying meetings isn't just to have people in a room but to also have  meetings over different phone lines.

Maybe far field mike people wouldn't be interested in that but all the dialogue issues still apply ,


I  I agree that it 's an issue here  but it 's also an issue for Switchboard and if you  think of meetings  being recorded over the telephone , which I think , you know , this whole point of studying meetings isn't just to have people in a room but to also have  meetings over different phone lines.

Maybe far field mike people wouldn't be interested in that but all the dialogue issues still apply ,


Maybe far field mike people wouldn't be interested in that but all the dialogue issues still apply ,

so if each of us was calling and having   a meeting that way  you kn you know like a conference call. And , just the question is ,  y you know , in Switchboard  you would think that 's the simplest case of a meeting of more than one person ,


so if each of us was calling and having   a meeting that way  you kn you know like a conference call. And , just the question is ,  y you know , in Switchboard  you would think that 's the simplest case of a meeting of more than one person ,

and   I 'm wondering how much more  overlap  of  the types that  that Jane described happen with more people present. So it may be that having three people   is very different from having two people or it may not be.


and   I 'm wondering how much more  overlap  of  the types that  that Jane described happen with more people present. So it may be that having three people   is very different from having two people or it may not be.


and   I 'm wondering how much more  overlap  of  the types that  that Jane described happen with more people present. So it may be that having three people   is very different from having two people or it may not be.

I think what I 'm   All I 'm s really saying is that I don't think we were considering that in Switchboard.


I think what I 'm   All I 'm s really saying is that I don't think we were considering that in Switchboard.


Were you  were you  were you  were you measuring it ? I mean , w w were


Were you  were you  were you  were you measuring it ? I mean , w w were

There  there 's actually to tell you the truth , the reason why it 's hard to measure is because of so , from the point of view of studying dialogue , I mean , which  Dan Jurafsky and Andreas and I had some projects on , you want to know the sequence of turns.


Were you  were you  were you  were you measuring it ? I mean , w w were

There  there 's actually to tell you the truth , the reason why it 's hard to measure is because of so , from the point of view of studying dialogue , I mean , which  Dan Jurafsky and Andreas and I had some projects on , you want to know the sequence of turns.

So what happens is if you 're talking and I have a backchannel in the middle of your turn , and then you keep going what it looks like in a dialogue model is your turn and then my backchannel ,


There  there 's actually to tell you the truth , the reason why it 's hard to measure is because of so , from the point of view of studying dialogue , I mean , which  Dan Jurafsky and Andreas and I had some projects on , you want to know the sequence of turns.

So what happens is if you 're talking and I have a backchannel in the middle of your turn , and then you keep going what it looks like in a dialogue model is your turn and then my backchannel ,