I don't think we should have rules of participation , but I think we should try to  get a variety of meetings. That 's something that if we get the  the meeting stuff going at UW , that I probably can do more than you guys ,

cuz you guys are probably mostly going to get ICSI people here. But we can get anybody in EE , uh , over


cuz you guys are probably mostly going to get ICSI people here. But we can get anybody in EE , uh , over

and  and possibly also some CS people , uh , over at UW. So , I think that  that there 's a good chance we could get more variety.


cuz you guys are probably mostly going to get ICSI people here. But we can get anybody in EE , uh , over

and  and possibly also some CS people , uh , over at UW. So , I think that  that there 's a good chance we could get more variety.

OK. Just want to be sure there 's enough data to


and  and possibly also some CS people , uh , over at UW. So , I think that  that there 's a good chance we could get more variety.

OK. Just want to be sure there 's enough data to


OK. Just want to be sure there 's enough data to


but  Mark and others have said that there 's quite a lot of found data  from the discourse community that has this characteristic and also the political  Y you know , anything that was televised for a third party has the characteristic of not very much overlap.


but  Mark and others have said that there 's quite a lot of found data  from the discourse community that has this characteristic and also the political  Y you know , anything that was televised for a third party has the characteristic of not very much overlap.

Wasn - but w I think we were saying before also that the natural language group here had less overlap.


Wasn - but w I think we were saying before also that the natural language group here had less overlap.


Wasn - but w I think we were saying before also that the natural language group here had less overlap.

So it also depends on the style of the group of people.


So it also depends on the style of the group of people.


So it also depends on the style of the group of people.

Like the , um , dominance relations of the people in the meeting.


Like the , um , dominance relations of the people in the meeting.


because you know , it is true people can modify the amount of overlap that they do if  if they 're asked to.


because you know , it is true people can modify the amount of overlap that they do if  if they 're asked to.

Not  not entirely modify it , but lessen it if  if it 's desired. But if  if that 's sufficient data  I just wanted to be sure that we will not be having a lot of data which can't be processed.


because you know , it is true people can modify the amount of overlap that they do if  if they 're asked to.

Not  not entirely modify it , but lessen it if  if it 's desired. But if  if that 's sufficient data  I just wanted to be sure that we will not be having a lot of data which can't be processed.

OK. So I 'm just writing here , we 're not gonna try to specify rules of interaction but we 're gonna try to get more variety by i using different  groups of people


Not  not entirely modify it , but lessen it if  if it 's desired. But if  if that 's sufficient data  I just wanted to be sure that we will not be having a lot of data which can't be processed.

OK. So I 'm just writing here , we 're not gonna try to specify rules of interaction but we 're gonna try to get more variety by i using different  groups of people


OK. So I 'm just writing here , we 're not gonna try to specify rules of interaction but we 're gonna try to get more variety by i using different  groups of people

Fine. And I  you know , I  I know that the near f near - field mikes will take care of also the problems to s to a certain degree.


Fine. And I  you know , I  I know that the near f near - field mikes will take care of also the problems to s to a certain degree.

e e Yeah. And then the other thing might be , um , uh , technical versus administrative.


Fine. And I  you know , I  I know that the near f near - field mikes will take care of also the problems to s to a certain degree.

e e Yeah. And then the other thing might be , um , uh , technical versus administrative.

Cuz if I recorded some administrative meetings then that may have less overlap , because you might have more overlap when you 're doing something technical and disagreeing or whatever.


e e Yeah. And then the other thing might be , um , uh , technical versus administrative.

Cuz if I recorded some administrative meetings then that may have less overlap , because you might have more overlap when you 're doing something technical and disagreeing or whatever.

Mm - hmm. Mm - hmm. Well , I  just as  as  as a contributary  eh , so I  I know that in l in legal depositions people are pr are prevented from overlapping. They 'll just say , you know  you know , " wait till each person is finished before you say something ". So it is possible to lessen if we wanted to. But  but these other factors are fine. I just wanted to raise the issue.


Cuz if I recorded some administrative meetings then that may have less overlap , because you might have more overlap when you 're doing something technical and disagreeing or whatever.

Mm - hmm. Mm - hmm. Well , I  just as  as  as a contributary  eh , so I  I know that in l in legal depositions people are pr are prevented from overlapping. They 'll just say , you know  you know , " wait till each person is finished before you say something ". So it is possible to lessen if we wanted to. But  but these other factors are fine. I just wanted to raise the issue.

Well , the reason why I didn't want to is be why I personally didn't want to  is because I wanted it to be  as , uh , unintrusive as possi


Mm - hmm. Mm - hmm. Well , I  just as  as  as a contributary  eh , so I  I know that in l in legal depositions people are pr are prevented from overlapping. They 'll just say , you know  you know , " wait till each person is finished before you say something ". So it is possible to lessen if we wanted to. But  but these other factors are fine. I just wanted to raise the issue.

Well , the reason why I didn't want to is be why I personally didn't want to  is because I wanted it to be  as , uh , unintrusive as possi

as you could be with these things hanging on you.


Well , the reason why I didn't want to is be why I personally didn't want to  is because I wanted it to be  as , uh , unintrusive as possi

as you could be with these things hanging on you.

Oh , yeah. Yeah , I think that 's always desired. I just want to be sure we don't  that we 're able to process , i u uh , you know , as much data as we can. Yeah.


as you could be with these things hanging on you.

Oh , yeah. Yeah , I think that 's always desired. I just want to be sure we don't  that we 're able to process , i u uh , you know , as much data as we can. Yeah.

Yeah. Did they discuss any of that in the  the meeting they had with L Liberman ?


Oh , yeah. Yeah , I think that 's always desired. I just want to be sure we don't  that we 're able to process , i u uh , you know , as much data as we can. Yeah.

Yeah. Did they discuss any of that in the  the meeting they had with L Liberman ?


Yeah. Did they discuss any of that in the  the meeting they had with L Liberman ?


so Liberman and others  were interested in a lot of found data.


so Liberman and others  were interested in a lot of found data.

So there 's lots of recordings that  They 're not close - talk mike ,


So there 's lots of recordings that  They 're not close - talk mike ,

but  And  and there 's lots of television , you know , stuff on , um , political debates and things like that , congre congressional hearings. Boring stuff like that. Um , and then the CMU folks and I were sort of on the other side in  cuz they had collected a lot of meetings that were sort of like this and said that those are nothing like these meetings. Um , so there 're really two different kinds of data. And , I guess we just left it as  @ @  that  if there 's found data that can be transformed for use in speech recognition easily , then of course we would do it ,


but  And  and there 's lots of television , you know , stuff on , um , political debates and things like that , congre congressional hearings. Boring stuff like that. Um , and then the CMU folks and I were sort of on the other side in  cuz they had collected a lot of meetings that were sort of like this and said that those are nothing like these meetings. Um , so there 're really two different kinds of data. And , I guess we just left it as  @ @  that  if there 's found data that can be transformed for use in speech recognition easily , then of course we would do it ,

but newly collected data would  would be natural meetings. So.


but  And  and there 's lots of television , you know , stuff on , um , political debates and things like that , congre congressional hearings. Boring stuff like that. Um , and then the CMU folks and I were sort of on the other side in  cuz they had collected a lot of meetings that were sort of like this and said that those are nothing like these meetings. Um , so there 're really two different kinds of data. And , I guess we just left it as  @ @  that  if there 's found data that can be transformed for use in speech recognition easily , then of course we would do it ,

but newly collected data would  would be natural meetings. So.

Actually , th @ @  the CMU folk have collected a lot of data. Is that  is that going to be publicly available ,


but newly collected data would  would be natural meetings. So.

Actually , th @ @  the CMU folk have collected a lot of data. Is that  is that going to be publicly available ,


Actually , th @ @  the CMU folk have collected a lot of data. Is that  is that going to be publicly available ,


It 's also  it 's not  it 's not near - far , right ?


It 's also  it 's not  it 's not near - far , right ?

I 'm not sure. Um , if people were interested they could talk to them , but I  I got the feeling there was some politics involved.


It 's also  it 's not  it 's not near - far , right ?

I 'm not sure. Um , if people were interested they could talk to them , but I  I got the feeling there was some politics involved.

I think @ @ gonna add that to one of my action items.


I 'm not sure. Um , if people were interested they could talk to them , but I  I got the feeling there was some politics involved.

I think @ @ gonna add that to one of my action items.


I think @ @ gonna add that to one of my action items.


Yeah. W we should know what 's out there certainly.


Cuz I had thought they 'd only done far - field ,


I hadn't known that then  they 'd done any more than that.


I hadn't known that then  they 'd done any more than that.

Oh , they only did the far - field ? I see.


I hadn't known that then  they 'd done any more than that.

Oh , they only did the far - field ? I see.

But they had multiple mikes and they did do recognition , and they did do real conversations. But as far as I know they didn't offer that data to the community at this meeting.


Oh , they only did the far - field ? I see.

But they had multiple mikes and they did do recognition , and they did do real conversations. But as far as I know they didn't offer that data to the community at this meeting.


But they had multiple mikes and they did do recognition , and they did do real conversations. But as far as I know they didn't offer that data to the community at this meeting.

But that could change cuz Mark  you know , Mark 's really into this. We should keep in touch with him.


But that could change cuz Mark  you know , Mark 's really into this. We should keep in touch with him.


But that could change cuz Mark  you know , Mark 's really into this. We should keep in touch with him.

I mean , we still haven't sent out the first note saying " hey , this list exists ". But  but , uh , once we do that


I mean , we still haven't sent out the first note saying " hey , this list exists ". But  but , uh , once we do that


I mean , we still haven't sent out the first note saying " hey , this list exists ". But  but , uh , once we do that

Yeah. It 's on  I already added that one on my board to do that. So , uh  uh , hopefully everybody here is on that list. We should at least check that everybody here  ?


Yeah. It 's on  I already added that one on my board to do that. So , uh  uh , hopefully everybody here is on that list. We should at least check that everybody here  ?


We haven't sent anything to the list yet.


I  I added a few people who didn't  who I knew had to be on it even though they didn't tell me.


So , I w uh , just  just for clarification. So " found data " , they mean like established corpora of linguistics and  and other fields , right ?


So , I w uh , just  just for clarification. So " found data " , they mean like established corpora of linguistics and  and other fields , right ?

What they mean is stuff they don't have to fund to collect ,


What they mean is stuff they don't have to fund to collect ,


Well , I mean , " found " has , uh , also the meaning that 's it very natural. It 's things occur without any  You know , the pe these people weren't wearing close - talking mikes , but they were recorded anyway , like the congressional hearings and , you know , for legal purposes or whatever.


Well , I mean , " found " has , uh , also the meaning that 's it very natural. It 's things occur without any  You know , the pe these people weren't wearing close - talking mikes , but they were recorded anyway , like the congressional hearings and , you know , for legal purposes or whatever.

OK. But it includes like standard corpora that have been used for years in linguistics and  other fields.


OK. But it includes like standard corpora that have been used for years in linguistics and  other fields.


That would be found data because they found it  and it exists.


They didn't have to collect it. Of course it 's not " found " in the sense that at the time it was collected for the purpose.


They didn't have to collect it. Of course it 's not " found " in the sense that at the time it was collected for the purpose.

But what he means is that  You know , Mark was really a fan of getting as much data as possible from  you know , reams and reams of stuff , of broadcast stuff ,


But what he means is that  You know , Mark was really a fan of getting as much data as possible from  you know , reams and reams of stuff , of broadcast stuff ,


TV stuff , radio stuff. But he well understands that that 's very different than these  this type of meeting.


TV stuff , radio stuff. But he well understands that that 's very different than these  this type of meeting.

But , so what ? It 's still  it 's interesting for other reasons.


But , so what ? It 's still  it 's interesting for other reasons.


We should go around and say something interesting that happened at the meeting ?


We should go around and say something interesting that happened at the meeting ?

Now , I was already thinking about it , so


Now , I was already thinking about it , so


So , um , I really liked the idea of  what I thought was interesting was the combination of the CrossPad and the speech. Especially , um , the interaction of them rather than just note - taking. So , can you  determine the interesting points by who 's writing ? Can you do special gestures and so on that  that have , uh , special meaning to the corpora ? I really liked that.


So , um , I really liked the idea of  what I thought was interesting was the combination of the CrossPad and the speech. Especially , um , the interaction of them rather than just note - taking. So , can you  determine the interesting points by who 's writing ? Can you do special gestures and so on that  that have , uh , special meaning to the corpora ? I really liked that.

Well , I  I just realized there 's another category of interesting things which is that , um , I  I found this discussion very , uh , i this  this question of how you get at queries really interesting. And  and the  and I  and the fact that it 's sort of , uh , nebulous , what  what that  what kind of query it would be because it depends on what your purpose is. So I actually found that whole process of  of trying to think of what that would involve to be interesting. But that 's not really a specific fact. I just sort of thought we  we went around a nice discussion of the factors involved there , which I thought was worthwhile.


So , um , I really liked the idea of  what I thought was interesting was the combination of the CrossPad and the speech. Especially , um , the interaction of them rather than just note - taking. So , can you  determine the interesting points by who 's writing ? Can you do special gestures and so on that  that have , uh , special meaning to the corpora ? I really liked that.

Well , I  I just realized there 's another category of interesting things which is that , um , I  I found this discussion very , uh , i this  this question of how you get at queries really interesting. And  and the  and I  and the fact that it 's sort of , uh , nebulous , what  what that  what kind of query it would be because it depends on what your purpose is. So I actually found that whole process of  of trying to think of what that would involve to be interesting. But that 's not really a specific fact. I just sort of thought we  we went around a nice discussion of the factors involved there , which I thought was worthwhile.

I had a real revelation about taking pictures. I don't know why I didn't do this before and I regret it. So that was very interesting for me.


Well , I  I just realized there 's another category of interesting things which is that , um , I  I found this discussion very , uh , i this  this question of how you get at queries really interesting. And  and the  and I  and the fact that it 's sort of , uh , nebulous , what  what that  what kind of query it would be because it depends on what your purpose is. So I actually found that whole process of  of trying to think of what that would involve to be interesting. But that 's not really a specific fact. I just sort of thought we  we went around a nice discussion of the factors involved there , which I thought was worthwhile.

I had a real revelation about taking pictures. I don't know why I didn't do this before and I regret it. So that was very interesting for me.


I had a real revelation about taking pictures. I don't know why I didn't do this before and I regret it. So that was very interesting for me.


The boards aren't really related to this meeting. I mean , I will take pictures of them , but


The boards aren't really related to this meeting. I mean , I will take pictures of them , but

They 're related to this morning 's meeting.


They 're related to this morning 's meeting.


They 're related to this morning 's meeting.

To the pre previous meeting. That 's right.


To the pre previous meeting. That 's right.

OK. Well , that 's why I 'll take pictures of them , then.


To the pre previous meeting. That 's right.

OK. Well , that 's why I 'll take pictures of them , then.

I 'm gonna pass because I can't  I mean , of the  Jane took my answer.


OK. Well , that 's why I 'll take pictures of them , then.

I 'm gonna pass because I can't  I mean , of the  Jane took my answer.


I 'm gonna pass because I can't  I mean , of the  Jane took my answer.


Um , so I 'm gonna pass for the moment but y come  come back to me.


Um , so I 'm gonna pass for the moment but y come  come back to me.

I think  I think " pass " is socially acceptable. But I will say  uh , I will actually  uh , a spin on different  slightly different spin on what you said , this issue of , uh , realizing that we could take minutes , and that actually may be a goal. So that  that may be kind of the test  in a sense , test data , uh , the  the template of what we want to test against , generating a summary. So that 's an interesting new twist on what we can do with this data.


I think  I think " pass " is socially acceptable. But I will say  uh , I will actually  uh , a spin on different  slightly different spin on what you said , this issue of , uh , realizing that we could take minutes , and that actually may be a goal. So that  that may be kind of the test  in a sense , test data , uh , the  the template of what we want to test against , generating a summary. So that 's an interesting new twist on what we can do with this data.

I agree with Jane and Eric. I think the question of how to generate queries automatically was the most interesting question that came up , and it 's something that , as you said , is a whole research topic in itself , so I don't think we 'll be able to do anything on it because we don't have funding on it , uh , in this project. But , um ,  it 's definitely something I would  want to do something on.


I think  I think " pass " is socially acceptable. But I will say  uh , I will actually  uh , a spin on different  slightly different spin on what you said , this issue of , uh , realizing that we could take minutes , and that actually may be a goal. So that  that may be kind of the test  in a sense , test data , uh , the  the template of what we want to test against , generating a summary. So that 's an interesting new twist on what we can do with this data.

I agree with Jane and Eric. I think the question of how to generate queries automatically was the most interesting question that came up , and it 's something that , as you said , is a whole research topic in itself , so I don't think we 'll be able to do anything on it because we don't have funding on it , uh , in this project. But , um ,  it 's definitely something I would  want to do something on.

I wonder if work 's already been done on it.


I agree with Jane and Eric. I think the question of how to generate queries automatically was the most interesting question that came up , and it 's something that , as you said , is a whole research topic in itself , so I don't think we 'll be able to do anything on it because we don't have funding on it , uh , in this project. But , um ,  it 's definitely something I would  want to do something on.

I wonder if work 's already been done on it.


I wonder if work 's already been done on it.


Well , being more management lately than   than research , I think the thing that impressed me most was the people dynamics and not any of the facts. That is , I  I really enjoyed hanging out with this group of people today. So that 's what really impressed me.


Well , being more management lately than   than research , I think the thing that impressed me most was the people dynamics and not any of the facts. That is , I  I really enjoyed hanging out with this group of people today. So that 's what really impressed me.

How are we gonna find that in the data ?


Well , being more management lately than   than research , I think the thing that impressed me most was the people dynamics and not any of the facts. That is , I  I really enjoyed hanging out with this group of people today. So that 's what really impressed me.

How are we gonna find that in the data ?

Well , if we had people wearing the wireless mikes all the time


How are we gonna find that in the data ?

Well , if we had people wearing the wireless mikes all the time


Well , if we had people wearing the wireless mikes all the time

Well , I mean , one thing you could search for is were people laughing a lot.


Well , I mean , one thing you could search for is were people laughing a lot.


I 'd probably search for something like that.


I 'd probably search for something like that.

That actually has come up a couple times in queries. I was talking to Landay


That actually has come up a couple times in queries. I was talking to Landay


Find me a funny thing that Jeff said. Yeah.


Cuz that seems to be pretty common. Not in the congressional hearings.


Um  minutes from the last meeting which were essentially that we uh had decided on roles for each of you , however , um there are some changes that I've got from on high

that um are a bit uh  well w what I didn't actually realise it was that the uh  this is for a specific television.


that um are a bit uh  well w what I didn't actually realise it was that the uh  this is for a specific television.


that um are a bit uh  well w what I didn't actually realise it was that the uh  this is for a specific television.

So the all in one idea goes out the window. And  they require that the uh


So the all in one idea goes out the window. And  they require that the uh

actually I'll get to that at the end  point number four , um we'll get what you've got and then we can see what we can adapt from it. So um , presentations , were you  anybody got , raring to go ?


actually I'll get to that at the end  point number four , um we'll get what you've got and then we can see what we can adapt from it. So um , presentations , were you  anybody got , raring to go ?


Uh there we go , just screw 'em on in. Gonna have to swap them round so


That's the wee blue one. Blue one F_ eight.


That's the wee blue one. Blue one F_ eight.

Yeah. Yeah. Uh , me again , Rajan the Marketing Expert. Uh , as we have decided in the last meeting that I have to find out , sorry , yeah sure.


Yeah. Yeah. Uh , me again , Rajan the Marketing Expert. Uh , as we have decided in the last meeting that I have to find out , sorry , yeah sure.

Hold on , sorry.  and if you just click that it'll go ahead , one at a time.


Yeah. Yeah. Uh , me again , Rajan the Marketing Expert. Uh , as we have decided in the last meeting that I have to find out , sorry , yeah sure.

Hold on , sorry.  and if you just click that it'll go ahead , one at a time.

Yeah , yeah. Uh actually , sorry I have to see the other  , sorry.


Hold on , sorry.  and if you just click that it'll go ahead , one at a time.

Yeah , yeah. Uh actually , sorry I have to see the other  , sorry.


Yeah , yeah. Uh actually , sorry I have to see the other  , sorry.

Uh , yes , I have to look at the uh market potential for this product , uh , like consumer likings and everything , what is the potential for this product and are we able to achieve our a net profit or our aims or not ? Then


Uh , yes , I have to look at the uh market potential for this product , uh , like consumer likings and everything , what is the potential for this product and are we able to achieve our a net profit or our aims or not ? Then


Uh then uh the methodology I adopted to find out all this was market survey. A a detailed market survey on consumers was done to find out their likings and dislikings , what they prefer what they not prefer , w what problems they do encounter in all this type of things. And what we got was , we found that  if you  uh , what they th what problems they are having with different uh remote controls available in the market. Seventy five percent of users they do find it that the remote controls available in the market are ugly. They are not so good looking. So , we have to put stress on this , uh we have to take care of this fact also like our design , uh should be appropriate , should be good looking for the consumers. And yes that's wi uh this will definitely , this can definitely put uh uh enhance our sales. Uh and even uh the good thing about this is that eighty percent of users they are willing to pay high uh pay more for this uh good looking remote controls also. So even if the available market goes for the available  uh even if the market goes for the available remote control is less even then we can sell it at twenty five Euros , which maybe which may seem quite high but if our looks are are if the re remote control we design have a good better uh better look uh designs , then we can hope that consumers will prefer these g remote controls.


Uh then uh the methodology I adopted to find out all this was market survey. A a detailed market survey on consumers was done to find out their likings and dislikings , what they prefer what they not prefer , w what problems they do encounter in all this type of things. And what we got was , we found that  if you  uh , what they th what problems they are having with different uh remote controls available in the market. Seventy five percent of users they do find it that the remote controls available in the market are ugly. They are not so good looking. So , we have to put stress on this , uh we have to take care of this fact also like our design , uh should be appropriate , should be good looking for the consumers. And yes that's wi uh this will definitely , this can definitely put uh uh enhance our sales. Uh and even uh the good thing about this is that eighty percent of users they are willing to pay high uh pay more for this uh good looking remote controls also. So even if the available market goes for the available  uh even if the market goes for the available remote control is less even then we can sell it at twenty five Euros , which maybe which may seem quite high but if our looks are are if the re remote control we design have a good better uh better look uh designs , then we can hope that consumers will prefer these g remote controls.

Then   And the second thing , some some companies they think that they should have more and more functions of the users uh or in their remote controls , but rather than those having more functions in the remote controls we should emphasise what actually consumer want , what they operate , rather than making it too complicated. Because mostly it has been found that fifty percent of the users they use only ten percent of the buttons , so there is no point of having ninety percent buttons making the remote controls too bulky , too complicated too expensive a because I think I believe that technology is useful only if uh the consumers they want to use it. Otherwise there is no point of having all this type of things. So this will not only reduce the cost of our remote controls but it will increase our profit also. So we have to take care of this fact also. Then. Uh it was function I want to go to.


Then   And the second thing , some some companies they think that they should have more and more functions of the users uh or in their remote controls , but rather than those having more functions in the remote controls we should emphasise what actually consumer want , what they operate , rather than making it too complicated. Because mostly it has been found that fifty percent of the users they use only ten percent of the buttons , so there is no point of having ninety percent buttons making the remote controls too bulky , too complicated too expensive a because I think I believe that technology is useful only if uh the consumers they want to use it. Otherwise there is no point of having all this type of things. So this will not only reduce the cost of our remote controls but it will increase our profit also. So we have to take care of this fact also. Then. Uh it was function I want to go to.

Uh , escape , okay thank you. Then if we look at this slide ,


Uh , escape , okay thank you. Then if we look at this slide ,

uh these are in your shared documents , you can see ,


uh these are in your shared documents , you can see ,


uh these are in your shared documents , you can see ,

So , sorry  I was just gonna say , what was the question for this ? Or is  are you coming on to that ?


So , sorry  I was just gonna say , what was the question for this ? Or is  are you coming on to that ?

Ah t look all the market potential , what uh how we should design consu our remote controls , what they should be there so as to en enhance our profit , enhance our sales.


So , sorry  I was just gonna say , what was the question for this ? Or is  are you coming on to that ?

Ah t look all the market potential , what uh how we should design consu our remote controls , what they should be there so as to en enhance our profit , enhance our sales.

Okay. So these percentages are are what ?


So , sorry  I was just gonna say , what was the question for this ? Or is  are you coming on to that ?

Ah t look all the market potential , what uh how we should design consu our remote controls , what they should be there so as to en enhance our profit , enhance our sales.

Okay. So these percentages are are what ?

Yeah , these are different age group persons like uh sorry , I can open it in another way.


Ah t look all the market potential , what uh how we should design consu our remote controls , what they should be there so as to en enhance our profit , enhance our sales.

Okay. So these percentages are are what ?

Yeah , these are different age group persons like uh sorry , I can open it in another way.


Okay. So these percentages are are what ?

Yeah , these are different age group persons like uh sorry , I can open it in another way.

Uh , yes. If we look at the costs whether the consumers they are willing to uh pay more for speech recognition in a remote control or not , we can find that they up to a thirty five years age group we have a very good disliking for this uh this uh point , like for speech recognition in a remote control.


Yeah , these are different age group persons like uh sorry , I can open it in another way.

Uh , yes. If we look at the costs whether the consumers they are willing to uh pay more for speech recognition in a remote control or not , we can find that they up to a thirty five years age group we have a very good disliking for this uh this uh point , like for speech recognition in a remote control.

So we can emphasise on this point also like , because it will definitely enhance our sales in this ag in this particular age group from uh fifteen to thirty five ,


Uh , yes. If we look at the costs whether the consumers they are willing to uh pay more for speech recognition in a remote control or not , we can find that they up to a thirty five years age group we have a very good disliking for this uh this uh point , like for speech recognition in a remote control.

So we can emphasise on this point also like , because it will definitely enhance our sales in this ag in this particular age group from uh fifteen to thirty five ,


Uh , yes. If we look at the costs whether the consumers they are willing to uh pay more for speech recognition in a remote control or not , we can find that they up to a thirty five years age group we have a very good disliking for this uh this uh point , like for speech recognition in a remote control.

So we can emphasise on this point also like , because it will definitely enhance our sales in this ag in this particular age group from uh fifteen to thirty five ,

and I uh and I think that most of the users of the rem uh T_V_ are belong to this age group. So we should look


So we can emphasise on this point also like , because it will definitely enhance our sales in this ag in this particular age group from uh fifteen to thirty five ,

and I uh and I think that most of the users of the rem uh T_V_ are belong to this age group. So we should look

Hmm. We're als we we're looking at who buys it as well.


and I uh and I think that most of the users of the rem uh T_V_ are belong to this age group. So we should look

Hmm. We're als we we're looking at who buys it as well.

Yeah. We can look at that that factor also , so yes.


and I uh and I think that most of the users of the rem uh T_V_ are belong to this age group. So we should look

Hmm. We're als we we're looking at who buys it as well.

Yeah. We can look at that that factor also , so yes.

Uh , which I think the twenty five to thirty five is uh usual , sort of.


Hmm. We're als we we're looking at who buys it as well.

Yeah. We can look at that that factor also , so yes.

Uh , which I think the twenty five to thirty five is uh usual , sort of.


Yeah. We can look at that that factor also , so yes.

Uh , which I think the twenty five to thirty five is uh usual , sort of.


Uh , which I think the twenty five to thirty five is uh usual , sort of.


Yes. I think so. Uh if we look at this data how how uh h how what are the problems the consumers are facing with the existing remote controls in the market.


Yes. I think so. Uh if we look at this data how how uh h how what are the problems the consumers are facing with the existing remote controls in the market.

They find that thirt uh thirty five percent uh thirty four percent of the consumers they find too difficult to operate a remote control. So it should be in such a way that it should be easy to learn how to operate these remote controls and we should provide pl uh spe uh proper manuals for its use also so as that people  consumers could easily learn. They need not to have any , much technical knowledge to see uh to know how to operate these remote controls.


Yes. I think so. Uh if we look at this data how how uh h how what are the problems the consumers are facing with the existing remote controls in the market.

They find that thirt uh thirty five percent uh thirty four percent of the consumers they find too difficult to operate a remote control. So it should be in such a way that it should be easy to learn how to operate these remote controls and we should provide pl uh spe uh proper manuals for its use also so as that people  consumers could easily learn. They need not to have any , much technical knowledge to see uh to know how to operate these remote controls.

So this is also a very goo uh major factor to loo uh take into consideration to enhance our profits and sales. So um this is all about


They find that thirt uh thirty five percent uh thirty four percent of the consumers they find too difficult to operate a remote control. So it should be in such a way that it should be easy to learn how to operate these remote controls and we should provide pl uh spe uh proper manuals for its use also so as that people  consumers could easily learn. They need not to have any , much technical knowledge to see uh to know how to operate these remote controls.

So this is also a very goo uh major factor to loo uh take into consideration to enhance our profits and sales. So um this is all about


So this is also a very goo uh major factor to loo uh take into consideration to enhance our profits and sales. So um this is all about


Okay , thank you. Um ,  follow on with Helen ? Yeah please.


Don't know if the cable's gonna be long enough.


Don't know if the cable's gonna be long enough.

I think I just kicked over whatever it runs on underneath as well.


I think I just kicked over whatever it runs on underneath as well.


I can turn my computer quickly if that's okay.


Okay , and then what do I press , F_ eight ?


It's not coming. Function F_ eight , okay.


Okay and then how do I press the the big one , to get it on to the big


Okay and then how do I press the the big one , to get it on to the big

F_ five and I press that again to get it off as well do I ?


F_ five and I press that again to get it off as well do I ?

Um , F_ five and escape'll bring it back and just uh the left button for advancing.


F_ five and I press that again to get it off as well do I ?

Um , F_ five and escape'll bring it back and just uh the left button for advancing.

Okay , so um I'm the interface design designer , User Interface Designer sorry , uh I'm concerned with um w what effect the apparatus should have on the user and um I'm I'm also  I want to point out that our motto , put the fashion in electronics ,


Um , F_ five and escape'll bring it back and just uh the left button for advancing.

Okay , so um I'm the interface design designer , User Interface Designer sorry , uh I'm concerned with um w what effect the apparatus should have on the user and um I'm I'm also  I want to point out that our motto , put the fashion in electronics ,

so obviously we as a company we want to make our products trendy and fashionable , it's a big concern of ours. Okay , and how do I press n just the next button ?


Okay , so um I'm the interface design designer , User Interface Designer sorry , uh I'm concerned with um w what effect the apparatus should have on the user and um I'm I'm also  I want to point out that our motto , put the fashion in electronics ,

so obviously we as a company we want to make our products trendy and fashionable , it's a big concern of ours. Okay , and how do I press n just the next button ?


so obviously we as a company we want to make our products trendy and fashionable , it's a big concern of ours. Okay , and how do I press n just the next button ?


So um I looked at existing designs and also um the information that Raj gave us was very useful about what people like , what people dislike. Um and what people  fashionable , because we said people between twenty five and thirty five were the main um buyers of of our T_V_ I think.


So um I looked at existing designs and also um the information that Raj gave us was very useful about what people like , what people dislike. Um and what people  fashionable , because we said people between twenty five and thirty five were the main um buyers of of our T_V_ I think.

So um what they like and what they find fashionable.


So um what they like and what they find fashionable.

And ergonomics , we said um , I don't know I haven't actually been able to do any of this myself ,


So um what they like and what they find fashionable.

And ergonomics , we said um , I don't know I haven't actually been able to do any of this myself ,

but um maybe that comes up , I don't know.


And ergonomics , we said um , I don't know I haven't actually been able to do any of this myself ,

but um maybe that comes up , I don't know.


And ergonomics , we said um , I don't know I haven't actually been able to do any of this myself ,

but um maybe that comes up , I don't know.

And the findings , well the basic  that was the basic function to send messages to the television set.


but um maybe that comes up , I don't know.

And the findings , well the basic  that was the basic function to send messages to the television set.


And the findings , well the basic  that was the basic function to send messages to the television set.

That's what people want to do. Um , so they need to be included , um , but I've got some pictures here of some leading ones. I don't know how to get to them ,


And the findings , well the basic  that was the basic function to send messages to the television set.

That's what people want to do. Um , so they need to be included , um , but I've got some pictures here of some leading ones. I don't know how to get to them ,

Uh if you if you escape then you can see your bar.


That's what people want to do. Um , so they need to be included , um , but I've got some pictures here of some leading ones. I don't know how to get to them ,

Uh if you if you escape then you can see your bar.

do I press F_ five is it ?  escape ? Oh okay , cool. I haven't got my glasses on so I hope it's this one.


Uh if you if you escape then you can see your bar.

do I press F_ five is it ?  escape ? Oh okay , cool. I haven't got my glasses on so I hope it's this one.

These are two leading um remote controls at the moment.


do I press F_ five is it ?  escape ? Oh okay , cool. I haven't got my glasses on so I hope it's this one.

These are two leading um remote controls at the moment.


These are two leading um remote controls at the moment.

You know they're grey , they've I mean this one's got loads of buttons , it's hard to tell from here what they actually do ,


These are two leading um remote controls at the moment.

You know they're grey , they've I mean this one's got loads of buttons , it's hard to tell from here what they actually do ,

and they don't look very exciting at all. Um , personally I prefer this one just because it's looks easier use , it's a bit more sleek with more of this silver stuff ,


You know they're grey , they've I mean this one's got loads of buttons , it's hard to tell from here what they actually do ,

and they don't look very exciting at all. Um , personally I prefer this one just because it's looks easier use , it's a bit more sleek with more of this silver stuff ,


You know they're grey , they've I mean this one's got loads of buttons , it's hard to tell from here what they actually do ,

and they don't look very exciting at all. Um , personally I prefer this one just because it's looks easier use , it's a bit more sleek with more of this silver stuff ,

um , but there you go , that's what we're up against ,


and they don't look very exciting at all. Um , personally I prefer this one just because it's looks easier use , it's a bit more sleek with more of this silver stuff ,

um , but there you go , that's what we're up against ,

and I think we can do much better than that.


um , but there you go , that's what we're up against ,

and I think we can do much better than that.


and I think we can do much better than that.


okay , sorry. Personal preferences. Um , well I think we need to l I think the ergonomics is quite um important , um


okay , sorry. Personal preferences. Um , well I think we need to l I think the ergonomics is quite um important , um

Yeah , particularly if we've uh there was a bit in Raj's about R_S_I_ and things as well.


okay , sorry. Personal preferences. Um , well I think we need to l I think the ergonomics is quite um important , um

Yeah , particularly if we've uh there was a bit in Raj's about R_S_I_ and things as well.

Uh-huh. And um I thought not too edgy and like a box , more kind of hand-held more um  not as uh computery and


Yeah , particularly if we've uh there was a bit in Raj's about R_S_I_ and things as well.

Uh-huh. And um I thought not too edgy and like a box , more kind of hand-held more um  not as uh computery and


Uh-huh. And um I thought not too edgy and like a box , more kind of hand-held more um  not as uh computery and

or organic , yeah , more organic shape I think.  Um simple designs , like the last one we just saw , not too many buttons and as Raj pointed out , only ten percent  fifty percent of people only use ten percent of the buttons ,


or organic , yeah , more organic shape I think.  Um simple designs , like the last one we just saw , not too many buttons and as Raj pointed out , only ten percent  fifty percent of people only use ten percent of the buttons ,

so I think what we can miss out on the buttons we can make up for in design and and how nice it looks.


so I think what we can miss out on the buttons we can make up for in design and and how nice it looks.

Um , hand-held and portable I think is portamint is important because T_F_T_ have just um released um I think is it a a remote control for presentations or uh and a big seven inch big screen , anyway , so um


Um , hand-held and portable I think is portamint is important because T_F_T_ have just um released um I think is it a a remote control for presentations or uh and a big seven inch big screen , anyway , so um

Yeah , no seven inches isn't that big but um anyway um so hand-held and portable and uh m I thought about other functions for T_V_ but as you pointed out people don't actually want that ,


Yeah , no seven inches isn't that big but um anyway um so hand-held and portable and uh m I thought about other functions for T_V_ but as you pointed out people don't actually want that ,


Yeah , no seven inches isn't that big but um anyway um so hand-held and portable and uh m I thought about other functions for T_V_ but as you pointed out people don't actually want that ,

And also the company want to keep it stuck to the T_V_ for uh to keep down the production time.


And also the company want to keep it stuck to the T_V_ for uh to keep down the production time.

so maybe we forget about that. It's for one T_V_ oh right okay , sure. And so the last thing I thought w which I quickly mentioned in the other one was maybe a bit of a gimmick to set us apart from other people , like glow-in-the-dark


so maybe we forget about that. It's for one T_V_ oh right okay , sure. And so the last thing I thought w which I quickly mentioned in the other one was maybe a bit of a gimmick to set us apart from other people , like glow-in-the-dark

um which  does already e exist but it's not very widely used I don't think.


um which  does already e exist but it's not very widely used I don't think.


um which  does already e exist but it's not very widely used I don't think.

Easy finder with the a whistle function or something ,


Easy finder with the a whistle function or something ,

or rechargeable station because it's a pain when you run out of batteries.


or rechargeable station because it's a pain when you run out of batteries.


So uh , I noticed your talk about speech recognition and whistling ,


So uh , I noticed your talk about speech recognition and whistling ,

and uh I was just curious to know , have we done any research into how many people can whistle ? Um , or if


So uh , I noticed your talk about speech recognition and whistling ,

and uh I was just curious to know , have we done any research into how many people can whistle ? Um , or if

is that a function we want in the remote ?


and uh I was just curious to know , have we done any research into how many people can whistle ? Um , or if

is that a function we want in the remote ?


is that a function we want in the remote ?

I don't , but I I know a lot of people do right.


I don't , but I I know a lot of people do right.


I mean it has to be a certain kind of whistle too , right ?


I mean it has to be a certain kind of whistle too , right ?

Well I suppo uh you could y you could have the


Well I suppo uh you could y you could have the


Well I suppo uh you could y you could have the

you could have the basically um instead of a whistle if it's got the voice recognition you could have it just , you know , where are you ? .


you could have the basically um instead of a whistle if it's got the voice recognition you could have it just , you know , where are you ? .


Um a much easier thing is just any loud noise like clapping um , shouting , you know ,


uh and then , what would the response be ? It beeps back at you or something ?


Well , uh let me set this up. So I plug it in , press F_ five ? Function F_ five ?


Well , uh let me set this up. So I plug it in , press F_ five ? Function F_ five ?

Oh you need to twiddle the thingamibobsy thing.


Oh you need to twiddle the thingamibobsy thing.

Okay. I think it's  uh just to lock it in. It's got it.


Okay. I think it's  uh just to lock it in. It's got it.


Um.  So as the Industrial Designer my job is to take an input from you guys ,


Um.  So as the Industrial Designer my job is to take an input from you guys ,

and I jotted down some notes as to what are the b needs and uh what kind of novel features we can add to differentiate our product from the others.


and I jotted down some notes as to what are the b needs and uh what kind of novel features we can add to differentiate our product from the others.


and I jotted down some notes as to what are the b needs and uh what kind of novel features we can add to differentiate our product from the others.

Um so Raj told us that uh consumers are willing to spend more for fancy products , and um he also mentioned that uh the current products don't always match users' operating behaviour. Um , a lot of the buttons aren't used , and uh  he mentioned that they're not fun to use. And uh a novel feature which uh we just brought up was this this automatic speech recognition feature or noise detection feature for when you lose the remote ,


and I jotted down some notes as to what are the b needs and uh what kind of novel features we can add to differentiate our product from the others.

Um so Raj told us that uh consumers are willing to spend more for fancy products , and um he also mentioned that uh the current products don't always match users' operating behaviour. Um , a lot of the buttons aren't used , and uh  he mentioned that they're not fun to use. And uh a novel feature which uh we just brought up was this this automatic speech recognition feature or noise detection feature for when you lose the remote ,

there could be a little microphone on it , and any noise over a certain threshold um it'll pick up as a a distress signal um from you and it'll beep back and say you know oh here I am or something of this sort.


Um so Raj told us that uh consumers are willing to spend more for fancy products , and um he also mentioned that uh the current products don't always match users' operating behaviour. Um , a lot of the buttons aren't used , and uh  he mentioned that they're not fun to use. And uh a novel feature which uh we just brought up was this this automatic speech recognition feature or noise detection feature for when you lose the remote ,

there could be a little microphone on it , and any noise over a certain threshold um it'll pick up as a a distress signal um from you and it'll beep back and say you know oh here I am or something of this sort.

Mm-hmm. But sure surely that would have to be um sort of specific rather than above a threshold 'cause if you had a loud movie on you're likely to get it beeping back at you.


there could be a little microphone on it , and any noise over a certain threshold um it'll pick up as a a distress signal um from you and it'll beep back and say you know oh here I am or something of this sort.

Mm-hmm. But sure surely that would have to be um sort of specific rather than above a threshold 'cause if you had a loud movie on you're likely to get it beeping back at you.


Mm-hmm. But sure surely that would have to be um sort of specific rather than above a threshold 'cause if you had a loud movie on you're likely to get it beeping back at you.


Well maybe you could have a um hmm  tha that would be a consideration to take into account yes. Um.


Well maybe you could have a um hmm  tha that would be a consideration to take into account yes. Um.

Sorry I didn't mean to derail you there.


Well maybe you could have a um hmm  tha that would be a consideration to take into account yes. Um.

Sorry I didn't mean to derail you there.

Yeah well tha that's uh for later down the road um , and then as for the user interface it should be trendy , um  and not computery ,


Well maybe you could have a um hmm  tha that would be a consideration to take into account yes. Um.

Sorry I didn't mean to derail you there.

Yeah well tha that's uh for later down the road um , and then as for the user interface it should be trendy , um  and not computery ,

right , so more low tech and not too many buttons.


Sorry I didn't mean to derail you there.

Yeah well tha that's uh for later down the road um , and then as for the user interface it should be trendy , um  and not computery ,

right , so more low tech and not too many buttons.


Yeah well tha that's uh for later down the road um , and then as for the user interface it should be trendy , um  and not computery ,

right , so more low tech and not too many buttons.

So I took these all into consideration and also I have some limitations from the boss.


right , so more low tech and not too many buttons.

So I took these all into consideration and also I have some limitations from the boss.

Right um , and practical limitations which I kinda threw out the window.


So I took these all into consideration and also I have some limitations from the boss.

Right um , and practical limitations which I kinda threw out the window.

And so I did a little research and unfortunately all I had to work on was our uh our corporate archives of the great products we've made before ,


So I took these all into consideration and also I have some limitations from the boss.

Right um , and practical limitations which I kinda threw out the window.

And so I did a little research and unfortunately all I had to work on was our uh our corporate archives of the great products we've made before ,

which include , you know , um space craft , coffee makers , and bullet trains  Or uh or a high speed train.


Right um , and practical limitations which I kinda threw out the window.

And so I did a little research and unfortunately all I had to work on was our uh our corporate archives of the great products we've made before ,

which include , you know , um space craft , coffee makers , and bullet trains  Or uh or a high speed train.


And so I did a little research and unfortunately all I had to work on was our uh our corporate archives of the great products we've made before ,

which include , you know , um space craft , coffee makers , and bullet trains  Or uh or a high speed train.

Right and having personally worked with all these products uh I have a great deal of experience with uh with industrial design of these.


which include , you know , um space craft , coffee makers , and bullet trains  Or uh or a high speed train.

Right and having personally worked with all these products uh I have a great deal of experience with uh with industrial design of these.

Well that's cool. If you if you can build space craft you'll have no problem with a remote control , yeah.


Right and having personally worked with all these products uh I have a great deal of experience with uh with industrial design of these.

Well that's cool. If you if you can build space craft you'll have no problem with a remote control , yeah.


Well that's cool. If you if you can build space craft you'll have no problem with a remote control , yeah.


You got a a caffeine powered space shuttle train transport to your T_V_ , and um


You got a a caffeine powered space shuttle train transport to your T_V_ , and um

as for the user interface problem , you know , too many buttons. Give it one button


You got a a caffeine powered space shuttle train transport to your T_V_ , and um

as for the user interface problem , you know , too many buttons. Give it one button

and and it's a  you know , for the the cowboy in all of us


as for the user interface problem , you know , too many buttons. Give it one button

and and it's a  you know , for the the cowboy in all of us

I I'm not quite sure what the the function is there but


and and it's a  you know , for the the cowboy in all of us

I I'm not quite sure what the the function is there but


I I'm not quite sure what the the function is there but

Yeah it's a g I mean you could have a you know a


Yeah it's a g I mean you could have a you know a

Is that just switches on the speech recognition and it's entirely speech operated , is it ?


Yeah it's a g I mean you could have a you know a

Is that just switches on the speech recognition and it's entirely speech operated , is it ?

Right. So I think I I missed the budget thing ,


Is that just switches on the speech recognition and it's entirely speech operated , is it ?

Right. So I think I I missed the budget thing ,


Right. So I think I I missed the budget thing ,


And we gotta sell twenty five of them ? Right.  Okay.


And we gotta sell twenty five of them ? Right.  Okay.

Ah now it's fif fifty million Euros we've gotta uh we've g


Ah now it's fif fifty million Euros we've gotta uh we've g


Ah now it's fif fifty million Euros we've gotta uh we've g

gotta make profit , so we're making that at twelve and a half Euros a time.


gotta make profit , so we're making that at twelve and a half Euros a time.

Okay. Well I guess more realistically then , we need a product that's got some kinda nifty outer casing , cheap plastic uh , you know , um that should be just like uh a tenth of the price maybe or less.


gotta make profit , so we're making that at twelve and a half Euros a time.

Okay. Well I guess more realistically then , we need a product that's got some kinda nifty outer casing , cheap plastic uh , you know , um that should be just like uh a tenth of the price maybe or less.

An energy source which'd probably just be uh your regular batteries


Okay. Well I guess more realistically then , we need a product that's got some kinda nifty outer casing , cheap plastic uh , you know , um that should be just like uh a tenth of the price maybe or less.

An energy source which'd probably just be uh your regular batteries


An energy source which'd probably just be uh your regular batteries


An energy source which'd probably just be uh your regular batteries

Would it be possible to have the rechargeable idea ? Is that is that gonna mark up a lot ?


Would it be possible to have the rechargeable idea ? Is that is that gonna mark up a lot ?


Would it be possible to have the rechargeable idea ? Is that is that gonna mark up a lot ?

Or a little base station or something , .


Or a little base station or something , .

Yeah , yeah , we could do that too. Um , I hadn't thought of that. Yeah.


Or a little base station or something , .

Yeah , yeah , we could do that too. Um , I hadn't thought of that. Yeah.

That might cost more though , 'cause obviously with batteries we don't need to provide , well we provide the first batteries , but it's more , it's  that's cheaper to just provide batteries.


Yeah , yeah , we could do that too. Um , I hadn't thought of that. Yeah.

That might cost more though , 'cause obviously with batteries we don't need to provide , well we provide the first batteries , but it's more , it's  that's cheaper to just provide batteries.


That might cost more though , 'cause obviously with batteries we don't need to provide , well we provide the first batteries , but it's more , it's  that's cheaper to just provide batteries.

I mean if you think about these base stations now it's essentially just a a lead with a sort of self connecting brake in it ,


I mean if you think about these base stations now it's essentially just a a lead with a sort of self connecting brake in it ,


I mean if you think about these base stations now it's essentially just a a lead with a sort of self connecting brake in it ,

so I don't think it'd up up the price that much.


so I don't think it'd up up the price that much.


uh the canonical user interface for these would be just a bunch of buttons , but since we're a cutting edge company , we uh of course will have alternatives like uh speech recognition , whistling recognition and rocket power


uh the canonical user interface for these would be just a bunch of buttons , but since we're a cutting edge company , we uh of course will have alternatives like uh speech recognition , whistling recognition and rocket power

Um and lastly the transmission interface is uh , just some engineering thing you don't have to worry about.


Um and lastly the transmission interface is uh , just some engineering thing you don't have to worry about.


Um and lastly the transmission interface is uh , just some engineering thing you don't have to worry about.

Um so here's you know , a great schematic that my uh apprentice designer gave me.


Um and lastly the transmission interface is uh , just some engineering thing you don't have to worry about.

Um so here's you know , a great schematic that my uh apprentice designer gave me.

Um as you can see the the remote control have parts and those parts look like that and um  you know it's got a little operating procedure that looks something like that.  And I suppose you all know how it works because we've all used it and we wouldn't be in a company designing remote controls if we didn't know what they were so  uh personal preferences , I think uh programmable options which um just require a small amount of memory , uh non volatile memory , just um so the user can put in their favourite channels and maybe their preferred volume settings so that when they turn it on it's not blasting.


Um so here's you know , a great schematic that my uh apprentice designer gave me.

Um as you can see the the remote control have parts and those parts look like that and um  you know it's got a little operating procedure that looks something like that.  And I suppose you all know how it works because we've all used it and we wouldn't be in a company designing remote controls if we didn't know what they were so  uh personal preferences , I think uh programmable options which um just require a small amount of memory , uh non volatile memory , just um so the user can put in their favourite channels and maybe their preferred volume settings so that when they turn it on it's not blasting.

Mm. Mm that's a good idea actually I like the programmable options.


Um as you can see the the remote control have parts and those parts look like that and um  you know it's got a little operating procedure that looks something like that.  And I suppose you all know how it works because we've all used it and we wouldn't be in a company designing remote controls if we didn't know what they were so  uh personal preferences , I think uh programmable options which um just require a small amount of memory , uh non volatile memory , just um so the user can put in their favourite channels and maybe their preferred volume settings so that when they turn it on it's not blasting.

Mm. Mm that's a good idea actually I like the programmable options.

Oh okay. And the uh , the bells and whistles that we mentioned you know , they take more budgeting , um more technical uh expenditure of effort


Mm. Mm that's a good idea actually I like the programmable options.

Oh okay. And the uh , the bells and whistles that we mentioned you know , they take more budgeting , um more technical uh expenditure of effort

and it's also much more likely to not work if if we add these bells and whistles.


Oh okay. And the uh , the bells and whistles that we mentioned you know , they take more budgeting , um more technical uh expenditure of effort

and it's also much more likely to not work if if we add these bells and whistles.


and it's also much more likely to not work if if we add these bells and whistles.


'Kay , thank you very much , um I'll take that back.


'Kay , thank you very much , um I'll take that back.

Right , also so um a notice I got not very long before the meeting , so didn't manage to forward it on to you , it is  let's see , I'll find it myself , um   Ta


'Kay , thank you very much , um I'll take that back.

Right , also so um a notice I got not very long before the meeting , so didn't manage to forward it on to you , it is  let's see , I'll find it myself , um   Ta

Okay , I don't think we need to screw it in.


Right , also so um a notice I got not very long before the meeting , so didn't manage to forward it on to you , it is  let's see , I'll find it myself , um   Ta

Okay , I don't think we need to screw it in.


Okay , I don't think we need to screw it in.


We had that um to dis-include teletext um because it's become outdated , and everybody uses the internet anyway. Um ,  dunno what Oracle would have to say with that but never mind.


We had that um to dis-include teletext um because it's become outdated , and everybody uses the internet anyway. Um ,  dunno what Oracle would have to say with that but never mind.

Um it's only for the television , which I'm presuming means it's for a specific television ,


Um it's only for the television , which I'm presuming means it's for a specific television ,

and um instead of colours and sorta colour options , they want corporate colour and slogan somehow implemented in the new design.


and um instead of colours and sorta colour options , they want corporate colour and slogan somehow implemented in the new design.


I presume. Um , everything , all their sort of uh you know the uh corporate website and everything's yellow.


I presume. Um , everything , all their sort of uh you know the uh corporate website and everything's yellow.

And the logo uh the sort of slogan we put the fa fashion in electronics uh  I don't know exactly how sort of incorpor I mean , I guess if you're going for a sort of globular shape you could kind of have it working its way round it or something.


And the logo uh the sort of slogan we put the fa fashion in electronics uh  I don't know exactly how sort of incorpor I mean , I guess if you're going for a sort of globular shape you could kind of have it working its way round it or something.


Okay , so , we have to decide on which functions we're going to actually have.


Okay , so , we have to decide on which functions we're going to actually have.

Uh ,  now , we had as listed options we had


Okay , so , we have to decide on which functions we're going to actually have.

Uh ,  now , we had as listed options we had

speech recognition potentially , flat screen interface , L_C_D_ interface um we also want to limit the number of buttons so we'll pretty much take that one as read.


Uh ,  now , we had as listed options we had

speech recognition potentially , flat screen interface , L_C_D_ interface um we also want to limit the number of buttons so we'll pretty much take that one as read.


Uh ,  now , we had as listed options we had

speech recognition potentially , flat screen interface , L_C_D_ interface um we also want to limit the number of buttons so we'll pretty much take that one as read.

We'll use the the basic functions for a television. No teletext. Um  okay hold on.


speech recognition potentially , flat screen interface , L_C_D_ interface um we also want to limit the number of buttons so we'll pretty much take that one as read.

We'll use the the basic functions for a television. No teletext. Um  okay hold on.

Although the the danger with that is , it could look a bit cheap.


We'll use the the basic functions for a television. No teletext. Um  okay hold on.

Although the the danger with that is , it could look a bit cheap.


Although the the danger with that is , it could look a bit cheap.

So sorta strike a balance between a a few and a


So sorta strike a balance between a a few and a


So sorta strike a balance between a a few and a

or it looks like we're just cutting on the um


So sorta strike a balance between a a few and a

or it looks like we're just cutting on the um

Mm. On the number of buttons , kind of functions and stuff.


or it looks like we're just cutting on the um

Mm. On the number of buttons , kind of functions and stuff.

I do however have this from over my head , that they don't want teletext on it.


Mm. On the number of buttons , kind of functions and stuff.

I do however have this from over my head , that they don't want teletext on it.

Uh maybe Raj you could find out what people would think about that , or maybe they'll send


I do however have this from over my head , that they don't want teletext on it.

Uh maybe Raj you could find out what people would think about that , or maybe they'll send


Uh maybe Raj you could find out what people would think about that , or maybe they'll send

some information about that , about um what people , whether people would require um teletext in a remote  teletext option in a remote control.


some information about that , about um what people , whether people would require um teletext in a remote  teletext option in a remote control.

Okay um . So uh I take it your position Arlo is that the bells and whistles we've gotta come up with the  a gimmick but not too complicated a gimmick.


Okay um . So uh I take it your position Arlo is that the bells and whistles we've gotta come up with the  a gimmick but not too complicated a gimmick.

Um so I mean a a the sort of inkling I'm getting from little bits of um web chatter that I'm getting sent is that they're quite interested in a T_F_T_ display , interactive display. However that does sound a bit like the more complicated design that rav uh sorry Raj um  said people didn't like. Although I guess if there's a sort of


Um so I mean a a the sort of inkling I'm getting from little bits of um web chatter that I'm getting sent is that they're quite interested in a T_F_T_ display , interactive display. However that does sound a bit like the more complicated design that rav uh sorry Raj um  said people didn't like. Although I guess if there's a sort of

If you think about standard interfaces that people use already , sort of Windows-style drop down menus or whatever ,


If you think about standard interfaces that people use already , sort of Windows-style drop down menus or whatever ,

I think maybe that's a bit , going a bit far


I think maybe that's a bit , going a bit far

but you know like in a basic sense that you could have your basic selection of buttons , and if you hit a sort of menu at the top you have um  it goes to a different selection of buttons , so it sorta keeps it simple.


but you know like in a basic sense that you could have your basic selection of buttons , and if you hit a sort of menu at the top you have um  it goes to a different selection of buttons , so it sorta keeps it simple.

Um glow in the dark , is that sort of with a light inside it or is it sort of glow in the dark material ?


Um glow in the dark , is that sort of with a light inside it or is it sort of glow in the dark material ?


Um glow in the dark , is that sort of with a light inside it or is it sort of glow in the dark material ?

Glow in the dark material I was thinking.


Glow in the dark material I was thinking.


Glow in the dark material I was thinking.

Um , so I I guess that would be cheaper than a light I think.


Um , so I I guess that would be cheaper than a light I think.


Um , so I I guess that would be cheaper than a light I think.

Uh actually I think it's really really very important point uh as if we look at the market because people mor fifty percent people they find that the remote controls are often lost somewhere in the remote , in the room. But


Uh actually I think it's really really very important point uh as if we look at the market because people mor fifty percent people they find that the remote controls are often lost somewhere in the remote , in the room. But


and means they forget where they have kept the remote control last time. But if we add speech recognition as well as glow in the dark then both these factors will help their locating the remote control ,


and means they forget where they have kept the remote control last time. But if we add speech recognition as well as glow in the dark then both these factors will help their locating the remote control ,

like if they come and speak something at the remote control uh replies to something something and it glows in the dark. Both these factors uh both these points will help them to locate the where they have kept this remote control ,


like if they come and speak something at the remote control uh replies to something something and it glows in the dark. Both these factors uh both these points will help them to locate the where they have kept this remote control ,


like if they come and speak something at the remote control uh replies to something something and it glows in the dark. Both these factors uh both these points will help them to locate the where they have kept this remote control ,

and this will definitely enhance our uh market sales ,


and this will definitely enhance our uh market sales ,


and this will definitely enhance our uh market sales ,

so we should take it into consideration also.


so we should take it into consideration also.


I don't , I've  I know of no products um that use speech recognition well.


I don't , I've  I know of no products um that use speech recognition well.

They're act there there was a remote control that came out two years ago that had a  some basic speech recognition on it. You could programme it with your channels and then you say you know like uh B_B_C_ one and it goes to that channel.


I don't , I've  I know of no products um that use speech recognition well.

They're act there there was a remote control that came out two years ago that had a  some basic speech recognition on it. You could programme it with your channels and then you say you know like uh B_B_C_ one and it goes to that channel.

Yeah , it didn't work very well though because of this noise interference problem. They mentioned you know if the television says you are listening to B_B_C_ one .


They're act there there was a remote control that came out two years ago that had a  some basic speech recognition on it. You could programme it with your channels and then you say you know like uh B_B_C_ one and it goes to that channel.

Yeah , it didn't work very well though because of this noise interference problem. They mentioned you know if the television says you are listening to B_B_C_ one .


Yeah , it didn't work very well though because of this noise interference problem. They mentioned you know if the television says you are listening to B_B_C_ one .


Yeah , it didn't work very well though because of this noise interference problem. They mentioned you know if the television says you are listening to B_B_C_ one .

Yeah , or a yeah an advert an advert for B_B_C_ two on B_B_C_ one'll switch the channel for you kinda thing.


Yeah , or a yeah an advert an advert for B_B_C_ two on B_B_C_ one'll switch the channel for you kinda thing.

Right , right , and so there was a lot of this , you'd be watching the T_V_ and then all of a sudden it'd it'd pick up a noise and turn it off or you know or turn the volume off or something ,


Right , right , and so there was a lot of this , you'd be watching the T_V_ and then all of a sudden it'd it'd pick up a noise and turn it off or you know or turn the volume off or something ,

but if you can work around that that noise problem


but if you can work around that that noise problem


this might get a bit too expensive actually , but what about um something that's built into the T_V_ um that you can press and it'll send out a little signal you know like the ones that we can't hear or  something


this might get a bit too expensive actually , but what about um something that's built into the T_V_ um that you can press and it'll send out a little signal you know like the ones that we can't hear or  something

um that that will activate the remote control starts to beep.


um that that will activate the remote control starts to beep.

So like a kind of backwards remote from the telly.


So like a kind of backwards remote from the telly.

Right and then it would do just you know , uh subtractive kind of cancellation of the noise.


Right and then it would do just you know , uh subtractive kind of cancellation of the noise.

What you could do then would be you have uh  a remote controlled by the T_V_ speaker , or not a remo I'm sorry , a microphone by the T_V_ speaker and a transmitter there that sends back to your remote , 'cause you can't um expect uh the the television manufacturers to to put that feature into their T_V_s.


Right and then it would do just you know , uh subtractive kind of cancellation of the noise.

What you could do then would be you have uh  a remote controlled by the T_V_ speaker , or not a remo I'm sorry , a microphone by the T_V_ speaker and a transmitter there that sends back to your remote , 'cause you can't um expect uh the the television manufacturers to to put that feature into their T_V_s.

Mm. Yeah , that's the only thing , yeah.


What you could do then would be you have uh  a remote controlled by the T_V_ speaker , or not a remo I'm sorry , a microphone by the T_V_ speaker and a transmitter there that sends back to your remote , 'cause you can't um expect uh the the television manufacturers to to put that feature into their T_V_s.

Mm. Yeah , that's the only thing , yeah.

But yeah , then you have like the little se separate module by the T_V_ speaker


Mm. Yeah , that's the only thing , yeah.

But yeah , then you have like the little se separate module by the T_V_ speaker


But yeah , then you have like the little se separate module by the T_V_ speaker


Right , and then the remote control would know um what's being produced by the television.


Right , and then the remote control would know um what's being produced by the television.

And that's a sort of basic R_F_ kind of frequency so it'll be cheap.


And that's a sort of basic R_F_ kind of frequency so it'll be cheap.


And that's a sort of basic R_F_ kind of frequency so it'll be cheap.

Right , right. Um.  Yeah that's certainly possible then an another thing was about this losing the remote and trying to find it again. If you do have this sorta speech interface to it , you don't even need to find it. You just say you know , um whatever you whatever you want the remote for , you know to change the channel or to uh turn the T_V_ on and off , you just shout your command to it and it would do it for you if it's within you know , within hearing range. And uh you know it could be somewhere in the room y that you've no idea where it is and it would still do its job.


Right , right. Um.  Yeah that's certainly possible then an another thing was about this losing the remote and trying to find it again. If you do have this sorta speech interface to it , you don't even need to find it. You just say you know , um whatever you whatever you want the remote for , you know to change the channel or to uh turn the T_V_ on and off , you just shout your command to it and it would do it for you if it's within you know , within hearing range. And uh you know it could be somewhere in the room y that you've no idea where it is and it would still do its job.


Right , right. Um.  Yeah that's certainly possible then an another thing was about this losing the remote and trying to find it again. If you do have this sorta speech interface to it , you don't even need to find it. You just say you know , um whatever you whatever you want the remote for , you know to change the channel or to uh turn the T_V_ on and off , you just shout your command to it and it would do it for you if it's within you know , within hearing range. And uh you know it could be somewhere in the room y that you've no idea where it is and it would still do its job.

That could also be built into the T_V_ though , which might make our remote control a bit obsolete.


That could also be built into the T_V_ though , which might make our remote control a bit obsolete.

Well , hopefully we're uh we're ahead of the curve.


Well , hopefully we're uh we're ahead of the curve.


Well , hopefully we're uh we're ahead of the curve.

Um  Okay.  I like the whole sort of remote feedback thing. Um so I think rather than  and that also kind of takes out the speech recognition in terms of the interference of it not working very well and things like that ,


Um  Okay.  I like the whole sort of remote feedback thing. Um so I think rather than  and that also kind of takes out the speech recognition in terms of the interference of it not working very well and things like that ,


So I think if we're going to go  well I mean like the thing about the  there's the problem with the T_F_T_ or the L_C_D_ kind of thing is if you're also wanting the the kind of uh organic globby sort of feeling to it then you might have trouble incorporating the screen.


So I think if we're going to go  well I mean like the thing about the  there's the problem with the T_F_T_ or the L_C_D_ kind of thing is if you're also wanting the the kind of uh organic globby sort of feeling to it then you might have trouble incorporating the screen.

Um , but I guess not I thin we'll just we'll just pretend that's not a problem. Um   uh  and how are you about the glow in the dark material ? Is that


Um , but I guess not I thin we'll just we'll just pretend that's not a problem. Um   uh  and how are you about the glow in the dark material ? Is that

Maybe not even all of it 'cause we said um colours and fashion w were important so maybe um just like a little l line that's kind of around the outside and then you can make the rest a different colour.


Maybe not even all of it 'cause we said um colours and fashion w were important so maybe um just like a little l line that's kind of around the outside and then you can make the rest a different colour.


Maybe not even all of it 'cause we said um colours and fashion w were important so maybe um just like a little l line that's kind of around the outside and then you can make the rest a different colour.

Yeah , no th the material's cheap but it's just uh the the glow in the dark material needs some light to charge it you know , and then uh if you're , if you're sitting in the dark for too long it uh it won't glow any more.


Yeah , no th the material's cheap but it's just uh the the glow in the dark material needs some light to charge it you know , and then uh if you're , if you're sitting in the dark for too long it uh it won't glow any more.


Yeah , no th the material's cheap but it's just uh the the glow in the dark material needs some light to charge it you know , and then uh if you're , if you're sitting in the dark for too long it uh it won't glow any more.

So if it's dow it's d uh yeah. Or if it's down under the couch cushions


So if it's dow it's d uh yeah. Or if it's down under the couch cushions


Um   Okay , well we can use  we can still use the glow in the dark as a gimmick essentially ,


if we're gonna have the logo on as well , bright yellow logo in our our um slogan.


if we're gonna have the logo on as well , bright yellow logo in our our um slogan.

Uh then you know they're gonna be fairly brightly coloured anyway , and we can have sort of a a a trimming as well , of the glow in the dark material , just as gimmickyness.


if we're gonna have the logo on as well , bright yellow logo in our our um slogan.

Uh then you know they're gonna be fairly brightly coloured anyway , and we can have sort of a a a trimming as well , of the glow in the dark material , just as gimmickyness.

Right. Mm-hmm. 'Cause yeah , that w more than finding it , that was more like you know if you're watching a film in the dark , you can um still see the remote control.


Uh then you know they're gonna be fairly brightly coloured anyway , and we can have sort of a a a trimming as well , of the glow in the dark material , just as gimmickyness.

Right. Mm-hmm. 'Cause yeah , that w more than finding it , that was more like you know if you're watching a film in the dark , you can um still see the remote control.


Right. Mm-hmm. 'Cause yeah , that w more than finding it , that was more like you know if you're watching a film in the dark , you can um still see the remote control.

Alright , so n sorta if if if we're gon if we're gonna go with the idea of um  uh of feedback , sort of remote finder , then that kinda stuffs that one out then.


Alright , so n sorta if if if we're gon if we're gonna go with the idea of um  uh of feedback , sort of remote finder , then that kinda stuffs that one out then.


Okay. Um , okay so scratch that. Uh so we've got do we want to go with the T_F_T_ idea or the  is that far too expensive ?


Okay. Um , okay so scratch that. Uh so we've got do we want to go with the T_F_T_ idea or the  is that far too expensive ?

Um yeah we're getting a lot of features now , I I think


Okay. Um , okay so scratch that. Uh so we've got do we want to go with the T_F_T_ idea or the  is that far too expensive ?

Um yeah we're getting a lot of features now , I I think

Well I mean I think I think the sort of find the finder things I mean it's uh I could probably write the circuit diagram for that myself.


Um yeah we're getting a lot of features now , I I think

Well I mean I think I think the sort of find the finder things I mean it's uh I could probably write the circuit diagram for that myself.


Well I mean I think I think the sort of find the finder things I mean it's uh I could probably write the circuit diagram for that myself.

Well , I think a consideration too is that these uh remotes get abused a lot , you know they get thrown around ,


Well , I think a consideration too is that these uh remotes get abused a lot , you know they get thrown around ,


Well , I think a consideration too is that these uh remotes get abused a lot , you know they get thrown around ,

there's a good chance the the T_F_T_ screen would break or uh get damaged.


there's a good chance the the T_F_T_ screen would break or uh get damaged.


So is that one of our definite requirements that they wa that it needs a T_F_T_ screen ?


So is that one of our definite requirements that they wa that it needs a T_F_T_ screen ?

Um no , I mean  that was going on ravs uh Raj's sort of um marketing research I guess. Um   Uh  So we'll stick with sort of programmability um for the buttons that we do have. Um.  So that's sort of included in your sub-module kind of stuff , um


So is that one of our definite requirements that they wa that it needs a T_F_T_ screen ?

Um no , I mean  that was going on ravs uh Raj's sort of um marketing research I guess. Um   Uh  So we'll stick with sort of programmability um for the buttons that we do have. Um.  So that's sort of included in your sub-module kind of stuff , um

Uh  you were finding out about teletext.


Um no , I mean  that was going on ravs uh Raj's sort of um marketing research I guess. Um   Uh  So we'll stick with sort of programmability um for the buttons that we do have. Um.  So that's sort of included in your sub-module kind of stuff , um

Uh  you were finding out about teletext.


Uh  you were finding out about teletext.


Uh  you were finding out about teletext.

Totally , it takes cheap speech recognition , she  they wi


Totally , it takes cheap speech recognition , she  they wi

Um I think we're gonna scratch the speech recognition as a bit of a


Um I think we're gonna scratch the speech recognition as a bit of a


Oh no it's it's much cheaper than the T_F_T_ , it's just a microphone and some some integrated circuits.


Oh no it's it's much cheaper than the T_F_T_ , it's just a microphone and some some integrated circuits.

And it'd it'd be a small vocabulary speech recognition system ,


And it'd it'd be a small vocabulary speech recognition system ,


Uh well that kind of takes back the R_F_  the R_F_ remote sort of idea as well.


Uh well that kind of takes back the R_F_  the R_F_ remote sort of idea as well.

Um.  Five minutes. Okay. Decisions. Uh , votes , let's vote. Who wants T_F_T_ ?


Um.  Five minutes. Okay. Decisions. Uh , votes , let's vote. Who wants T_F_T_ ?

Excellent , so we'll go with speech recognition , yeah ?


Excellent , so we'll go with speech recognition , yeah ?


Um , speech recognition , limited buttons , organic design. And what else was I thinking of that I haven't written down and therefore fallen out my head ,


if it's not too expensive s I think it's a good gimmick.


if it's not too expensive s I think it's a good gimmick.

And also , integrating the , remember to integrate the logo and the s slogan.


And also , integrating the , remember to integrate the logo and the s slogan.


And also , integrating the , remember to integrate the logo and the s slogan.

Okay , so. Um can you put all these reports in the project documents folder if they're not already in there as well. So , it just helps me summarize them.


Okay , so. Um can you put all these reports in the project documents folder if they're not already in there as well. So , it just helps me summarize them.


Okay , so. Um can you put all these reports in the project documents folder if they're not already in there as well. So , it just helps me summarize them.

And um I'll put any   I'm I'm putting anything I do in there anyway , so uh


And um I'll put any   I'm I'm putting anything I do in there anyway , so uh


on your desktop , so it goes save as , or


on your desktop , so it goes save as , or

And then uh hit that little folder up thing again.


And then uh hit that little folder up thing again.


Project documents , yeah , it's on your desktop as well.


Project documents , yeah , it's on your desktop as well.

All the way to the top , yeah that's up to desktop. Right and then project documents.


All the way to the top , yeah that's up to desktop. Right and then project documents.


And I will tr  getting strings of um information , I'll try and forward any specific to anybody in particular , as soon as I get them now , rather than


And I will tr  getting strings of um information , I'll try and forward any specific to anybody in particular , as soon as I get them now , rather than

I was about to sort of tell you about the changes before the meeting , and then the meeting turned up , so


I was about to sort of tell you about the changes before the meeting , and then the meeting turned up , so


What I thought as well about the material is um maybe not this kind of material , but maybe more like um this kind of rubbery material , it's a bit more bouncy , like you said they get chucked around a lot. Um , a bit more  durable and that can also be ergonomic


What I thought as well about the material is um maybe not this kind of material , but maybe more like um this kind of rubbery material , it's a bit more bouncy , like you said they get chucked around a lot. Um , a bit more  durable and that can also be ergonomic

and it kind of feels a bit different from all the other remote controls.


and it kind of feels a bit different from all the other remote controls.


More sort of um flesh-like than plasticky sort of.


But we have to take care of our children also if they   means if children catch hold of your or if they chew it it shouldn't be too harmful. So , whatever material we use it should be  yeah.


But we have to take care of our children also if they   means if children catch hold of your or if they chew it it shouldn't be too harmful. So , whatever material we use it should be  yeah.

Oh no , ethics ,  that's gonna cost us money.


But we have to take care of our children also if they   means if children catch hold of your or if they chew it it shouldn't be too harmful. So , whatever material we use it should be  yeah.

Oh no , ethics ,  that's gonna cost us money.

So  we have to safety point of view also , we have to take care.


Oh no , ethics ,  that's gonna cost us money.

So  we have to safety point of view also , we have to take care.

Oh I think wi with the more organic shape of it it won't be as  it won't as have many sharp corners as that , so that's something good , um


So  we have to safety point of view also , we have to take care.

Oh I think wi with the more organic shape of it it won't be as  it won't as have many sharp corners as that , so that's something good , um


Oh I think wi with the more organic shape of it it won't be as  it won't as have many sharp corners as that , so that's something good , um


We could go completely out of the box and make the thing a big red ball foam ball.


We could go completely out of the box and make the thing a big red ball foam ball.

And there's no buttons at all , it's always on , and just yell at it , and it works.


And there's no buttons at all , it's always on , and just yell at it , and it works.


yeah it's gonna have to be it's gonna be have a big yellow foam ball , yeah , sorry.


yeah it's gonna have to be it's gonna be have a big yellow foam ball , yeah , sorry.

Yeah , d with the colour , um does it have to be all yellow , do you know ?


Yeah , d with the colour , um does it have to be all yellow , do you know ?

Please God no. Um. Well , I wouldn't th I mean ,


Yeah , d with the colour , um does it have to be all yellow , do you know ?

Please God no. Um. Well , I wouldn't th I mean ,

my reaction to an all-yellow remote control wouldn't be anything other than horror , so I think just having it


Please God no. Um. Well , I wouldn't th I mean ,

my reaction to an all-yellow remote control wouldn't be anything other than horror , so I think just having it


my reaction to an all-yellow remote control wouldn't be anything other than horror , so I think just having it

Small logo with the like a small yellow strip or y yellow  with the logo in it.


Small logo with the like a small yellow strip or y yellow  with the logo in it.


And I'll see if I can argue with boss about putting the


And I'll see if I can argue with boss about putting the

what was it ? We put  we put fashion into  Whoops , it's not working. Can't believe I've forgotten it . We put the fashion in electronics.  I bet that'll catch on well.


And I'll see if I can argue with boss about putting the

what was it ? We put  we put fashion into  Whoops , it's not working. Can't believe I've forgotten it . We put the fashion in electronics.  I bet that'll catch on well.

Oh yeah , that's a good one that. Yeah so.


what was it ? We put  we put fashion into  Whoops , it's not working. Can't believe I've forgotten it . We put the fashion in electronics.  I bet that'll catch on well.

Oh yeah , that's a good one that. Yeah so.


Oh yeah , that's a good one that. Yeah so.


Okay , that felt a bit more like a  something with order and and reason to it than the last one.


Has anybody pressed okay , it vibrates. It's pretty cool.


Yeah , got small writing. I don't wanna waste it.


No , you'll ha have to open it up from elsewhere.

Do you want to replace existing file , no.  I actually tried to transfer it to My Documents , but


No , you'll ha have to open it up from elsewhere.

Do you want to replace existing file , no.  I actually tried to transfer it to My Documents , but

Yeah , you have to you have to close that window. 'Cause that's the save one isn't it , so  And then find it.


Do you want to replace existing file , no.  I actually tried to transfer it to My Documents , but

Yeah , you have to you have to close that window. 'Cause that's the save one isn't it , so  And then find it.


Yeah , you have to you have to close that window. 'Cause that's the save one isn't it , so  And then find it.

right , I'll just re-do it. That's the easiest way.   Right.


right , I'll just re-do it. That's the easiest way.   Right.

Well we've made our prototype anyway. We can have a good look at that.


right , I'll just re-do it. That's the easiest way.   Right.

Well we've made our prototype anyway. We can have a good look at that.

Mm-hmm. Y no , it's a slightly curved around the sides.


Well we've made our prototype anyway. We can have a good look at that.

Mm-hmm. Y no , it's a slightly curved around the sides.


Mm-hmm. Y no , it's a slightly curved around the sides.

Um , it's almost curved like up to the main display as well. And the little line at the bottom indicates the bit  the panel that you pull down.


Um , it's almost curved like up to the main display as well. And the little line at the bottom indicates the bit  the panel that you pull down.

And the extra function buttons are below that panel on the little line.


And the extra function buttons are below that panel on the little line.

And we've got the stick on the button with the company logo on.


And we've got the stick on the button with the company logo on.

We also have a apple slash cherry design at the top.


We also have a apple slash cherry design at the top.


it's a bit more fun , isn't it ? And it's kinda not really at a kind of  you think apple , you think computers , like Apple Mac.


it's a bit more fun , isn't it ? And it's kinda not really at a kind of  you think apple , you think computers , like Apple Mac.

Mm-hmm. Copyright , yeah. What's this this one ?


Mm-hmm. Copyright , yeah. What's this this one ?


It  it'd probably have to be labelled mute.