that's by far the biggest one , and then teletext , is still here , that's like fourteen ,

the teletext we're gambling with , and we're gonna say it's dead , the way of the dodo


the teletext we're gambling with , and we're gonna say it's dead , the way of the dodo


the teletext we're gambling with , and we're gonna say it's dead , the way of the dodo

So we  well , sorry , we could maybe even go as far as saying power button , small joystick , L_C_D_ , and then what maybe is it one more button to say that you're using the menu system , and with the possibility of pushing down on the joystick to say okay ? So we're having very very few buttons involved ,


So we  well , sorry , we could maybe even go as far as saying power button , small joystick , L_C_D_ , and then what maybe is it one more button to say that you're using the menu system , and with the possibility of pushing down on the joystick to say okay ? So we're having very very few buttons involved ,

but navigation around a menu for most things.


So we  well , sorry , we could maybe even go as far as saying power button , small joystick , L_C_D_ , and then what maybe is it one more button to say that you're using the menu system , and with the possibility of pushing down on the joystick to say okay ? So we're having very very few buttons involved ,

but navigation around a menu for most things.

Actually I would say maybe two two function buttons , the  y we're now using the menus button and um and an og and an okay button. I mean certainly something I've found with the joystick on mo the joysticks on mobile phones is that a lot of the time th the device mistakes you trying to move it in one direction or the other for pushing down for okay.


but navigation around a menu for most things.

Actually I would say maybe two two function buttons , the  y we're now using the menus button and um and an og and an okay button. I mean certainly something I've found with the joystick on mo the joysticks on mobile phones is that a lot of the time th the device mistakes you trying to move it in one direction or the other for pushing down for okay.


Actually I would say maybe two two function buttons , the  y we're now using the menus button and um and an og and an okay button. I mean certainly something I've found with the joystick on mo the joysticks on mobile phones is that a lot of the time th the device mistakes you trying to move it in one direction or the other for pushing down for okay.


The o the o the other dis design constraint I think we should bear in mind is that people are you know very much used to using a remote control one handedly , um , so we need to make sure that e even with the joystick , you know something that can just sit comfortably in the palm of the hand and have the joystick just controlled by the thumb.


The o the o the other dis design constraint I think we should bear in mind is that people are you know very much used to using a remote control one handedly , um , so we need to make sure that e even with the joystick , you know something that can just sit comfortably in the palm of the hand and have the joystick just controlled by the thumb.

Okay. So um we're actually that sounds like a rough idea. Do we incorporate the idea of trying to f locate the remote control again via a beeping noise ?


Okay. So um we're actually that sounds like a rough idea. Do we incorporate the idea of trying to f locate the remote control again via a beeping noise ?

Um , I think because it's so small it might be an uh I mean if we only have like two three buttons it might be essential to have to have that


Um , I think because it's so small it might be an uh I mean if we only have like two three buttons it might be essential to have to have that


Um , I think because it's so small it might be an uh I mean if we only have like two three buttons it might be essential to have to have that

So that would require a um transmitter maybe attached to the T_V_ , just so that it says find me , and  what , a basically a small microphone um on the actual unit , can maybe hide it in the base.


So that would require a um transmitter maybe attached to the T_V_ , just so that it says find me , and  what , a basically a small microphone um on the actual unit , can maybe hide it in the base.


Nah , you'd see it anyway , if you hear it.


Nah , you'd see it anyway , if you hear it.

E us we might be better with the sound possibly  we could maybe incorporate


E us we might be better with the sound possibly  we could maybe incorporate

th e the true fact , considering the cost of an L_E_D_ , we could just incorporate it anyway.


th e the true fact , considering the cost of an L_E_D_ , we could just incorporate it anyway.


th e the true fact , considering the cost of an L_E_D_ , we could just incorporate it anyway.

The L_E_D_s can be surprisingly bright now.


The L_E_D_s can be surprisingly bright now.


by the sounds of it , with what we're suggesting so far , your design um the user interface is still quite open , you could go for quite an interesting design.


by the sounds of it , with what we're suggesting so far , your design um the user interface is still quite open , you could go for quite an interesting design.

Because we're only going to have a very few key and you've got you know a small L_C_D_ , joystick , e I think it leaves you open to a a potential wide range of shapes , something that can make it stand out slightly.


Because we're only going to have a very few key and you've got you know a small L_C_D_ , joystick , e I think it leaves you open to a a potential wide range of shapes , something that can make it stand out slightly.

Um if you could look into what we've suggested so far , the feasibility of um small transmitter , um and such , maybe if an L_C_D_ screen requires too much power , or such. Ebenezer , um , Marketing Expert


Because we're only going to have a very few key and you've got you know a small L_C_D_ , joystick , e I think it leaves you open to a a potential wide range of shapes , something that can make it stand out slightly.

Um if you could look into what we've suggested so far , the feasibility of um small transmitter , um and such , maybe if an L_C_D_ screen requires too much power , or such. Ebenezer , um , Marketing Expert

Well I can give you the frequency , what people what options people use most often , I guess that's gonna be important in the ts defining the the software side of the interface , right.


Um if you could look into what we've suggested so far , the feasibility of um small transmitter , um and such , maybe if an L_C_D_ screen requires too much power , or such. Ebenezer , um , Marketing Expert

Well I can give you the frequency , what people what options people use most often , I guess that's gonna be important in the ts defining the the software side of the interface , right.


Well I can give you the frequency , what people what options people use most often , I guess that's gonna be important in the ts defining the the software side of the interface , right.

yeah if you could maybe as well see what people think about the idea of this minimalist approach that we've taken , where of a joystick to control the very basic functions , and then the idea of manipulating it like you would a mobile.


yeah if you could maybe as well see what people think about the idea of this minimalist approach that we've taken , where of a joystick to control the very basic functions , and then the idea of manipulating it like you would a mobile.


yeah if you could maybe as well see what people think about the idea of this minimalist approach that we've taken , where of a joystick to control the very basic functions , and then the idea of manipulating it like you would a mobile.

I don't know how easy that will be within the time frame ,


I don't know how easy that will be within the time frame ,

but could be something we could maybe look into.


but could be something we could maybe look into.

Okay. Um any last comments that anybody would like to put forward ? Anything that they think has been missed out. Bit of a wide open question there of course.


Okay. Um any last comments that anybody would like to put forward ? Anything that they think has been missed out. Bit of a wide open question there of course.

Feel free to email me if you think that uh we've screwed something up and wanna get it rectified as soon as possible.


Feel free to email me if you think that uh we've screwed something up and wanna get it rectified as soon as possible.


Feel free to email me if you think that uh we've screwed something up and wanna get it rectified as soon as possible.

So I should just look at um the speaker ,  the speaker and an L_E_D_.


So I should just look at um the speaker ,  the speaker and an L_E_D_.


Actually one one wee thought about that. Um , if we do end up trying to market this to television manufacturers then the um then the transmitter could actually be built into the television.


Actually one one wee thought about that. Um , if we do end up trying to market this to television manufacturers then the um then the transmitter could actually be built into the television.

getting the external power source , yep , that's quite true. Um , and something that we can can easily be adopted at the last minute as well I'd say.


Actually one one wee thought about that. Um , if we do end up trying to market this to television manufacturers then the um then the transmitter could actually be built into the television.

getting the external power source , yep , that's quite true. Um , and something that we can can easily be adopted at the last minute as well I'd say.

The electronics could be s either placed externally or internally , makes no difference to the final product of the actual remote control ,


getting the external power source , yep , that's quite true. Um , and something that we can can easily be adopted at the last minute as well I'd say.

The electronics could be s either placed externally or internally , makes no difference to the final product of the actual remote control ,


The electronics could be s either placed externally or internally , makes no difference to the final product of the actual remote control ,


I mean if it w if we get a major television manufacturer to say y oh yeah we'll have that , save us the bother , then that's you know vast amounts of sales. Quite quickly.


I mean if it w if we get a major television manufacturer to say y oh yeah we'll have that , save us the bother , then that's you know vast amounts of sales. Quite quickly.

Oh , one thing that we've almost not talked about at all , my apologies for that , um , user interface , we also need to maybe get the slogan in here , um it's ,


I mean if it w if we get a major television manufacturer to say y oh yeah we'll have that , save us the bother , then that's you know vast amounts of sales. Quite quickly.

Oh , one thing that we've almost not talked about at all , my apologies for that , um , user interface , we also need to maybe get the slogan in here , um it's ,

I'm pointing at my laptop , what in God  Real reaction , and such. So um


Oh , one thing that we've almost not talked about at all , my apologies for that , um , user interface , we also need to maybe get the slogan in here , um it's ,

I'm pointing at my laptop , what in God  Real reaction , and such. So um


I'm pointing at my laptop , what in God  Real reaction , and such. So um


I'm pointing at my laptop , what in God  Real reaction , and such. So um

yeah , the slogan's we put the fashion in electronics , isn't it ?


yeah , the slogan's we put the fashion in electronics , isn't it ?

My apologies. No it could well be , I've probably missed that. Um , I think that's l almost the last minute thing


yeah , the slogan's we put the fashion in electronics , isn't it ?

My apologies. No it could well be , I've probably missed that. Um , I think that's l almost the last minute thing

we can just incorporate into the actual plastic on top.


My apologies. No it could well be , I've probably missed that. Um , I think that's l almost the last minute thing

we can just incorporate into the actual plastic on top.


we can just incorporate into the actual plastic on top.

So I'm not too concerned a that we haven't gone into depth about that. But it might be something you could consider when you're thinking about shapes ?


So I'm not too concerned a that we haven't gone into depth about that. But it might be something you could consider when you're thinking about shapes ?

In fact we might like to put a slogan on , and um possibly the two R_s to signify the company. Rather than real reaction.


So I'm not too concerned a that we haven't gone into depth about that. But it might be something you could consider when you're thinking about shapes ?

In fact we might like to put a slogan on , and um possibly the two R_s to signify the company. Rather than real reaction.

Mm-hmm. Mm. Yeah. I thought the uh the d the double arc could perhaps uh be the uh the enter button.


In fact we might like to put a slogan on , and um possibly the two R_s to signify the company. Rather than real reaction.

Mm-hmm. Mm. Yeah. I thought the uh the d the double arc could perhaps uh be the uh the enter button.


In fact we might like to put a slogan on , and um possibly the two R_s to signify the company. Rather than real reaction.

Mm-hmm. Mm. Yeah. I thought the uh the d the double arc could perhaps uh be the uh the enter button.

And I'd say that that's us for now. Okay.


Mm-hmm. Mm. Yeah. I thought the uh the d the double arc could perhaps uh be the uh the enter button.

And I'd say that that's us for now. Okay.


So , I think this is gonna be a pretty short meeting because I have four agenda items , three of them were requested by Jane who is not gonna be at the meeting today.  So.  The uh first was transcription status. Does anyone besides Jane know what the transcription status is ?


So , I think this is gonna be a pretty short meeting because I have four agenda items , three of them were requested by Jane who is not gonna be at the meeting today.  So.  The uh first was transcription status. Does anyone besides Jane know what the transcription status is ?

Um  Well first of all with IBM I got a note from Brian yesterday saying that they finally made the tape for the thing that we sent them a  week or week and a half ago


Um  Well first of all with IBM I got a note from Brian yesterday saying that they finally made the tape for the thing that we sent them a  week or week and a half ago


Um  Well first of all with IBM I got a note from Brian yesterday saying that they finally made the tape for the thing that we sent them a  week or week and a half ago

and that it 's gone out to the transcribers and hopefully next week we 'll have the transcription back from that.


and that it 's gone out to the transcribers and hopefully next week we 'll have the transcription back from that.


and that it 's gone out to the transcribers and hopefully next week we 'll have the transcription back from that.

Um  Jane seems to be um moving right along on the transcriptions from the ICSI side. She 's assigned , I think probably five or six m more meetings.


and that it 's gone out to the transcribers and hopefully next week we 'll have the transcription back from that.

Um  Jane seems to be um moving right along on the transcriptions from the ICSI side. She 's assigned , I think probably five or six m more meetings.

Yeah , I think we 're up to MR thirteen or something.


Um  Jane seems to be um moving right along on the transcriptions from the ICSI side. She 's assigned , I think probably five or six m more meetings.

Yeah , I think we 're up to MR thirteen or something.


Um  Jane seems to be um moving right along on the transcriptions from the ICSI side. She 's assigned , I think probably five or six m more meetings.

Yeah , I think we 're up to MR thirteen or something.

Yeah , so um , I guess she 's hired some new transcribers


Yeah , I think we 're up to MR thirteen or something.

Yeah , so um , I guess she 's hired some new transcribers


Yeah , so um , I guess she 's hired some new transcribers


Yeah , so um , I guess she 's hired some new transcribers

and  Um well we 've  we 've run out of E D Us because a certain number of them are um , sort of awaiting to go to IBM.


and  Um well we 've  we 've run out of E D Us because a certain number of them are um , sort of awaiting to go to IBM.


and the rest are in process being transcribed uh here.


and the rest are in process being transcribed uh here.

So does she have transcribers right now who are basically sitting idle because there 's no data back from IBM


So does she have transcribers right now who are basically sitting idle because there 's no data back from IBM


So. They ' r they 're doing the full transcription process.


So. They ' r they 're doing the full transcription process.

So they 're just doing their own thing until


So they 're just doing their own thing until

Because I  I need to ask Jane whether it 's  it would be OK for her  um , s some of her people to transcribe uh some of the initial data we got from the SmartKom data collection , which is these short like five or seven minute sessions.


Because I  I need to ask Jane whether it 's  it would be OK for her  um , s some of her people to transcribe uh some of the initial data we got from the SmartKom data collection , which is these short like five or seven minute sessions.


Um and we want it  You know , we need  The  Again , we  we have a similar uh logistic set - up where we are supposed to send the data to Munich


Um and we want it  You know , we need  The  Again , we  we have a similar uh logistic set - up where we are supposed to send the data to Munich

and get it transcribed and get it back. But to get going we would like some of the data transcribed right away so we can get started.


and get it transcribed and get it back. But to get going we would like some of the data transcribed right away so we can get started.

And so um I wanted to ask Jane if  if uh , you know , maybe one of their transcribers could  could do  I mean since these are very short , that should really be uh ,


And so um I wanted to ask Jane if  if uh , you know , maybe one of their transcribers could  could do  I mean since these are very short , that should really be uh ,


And so um I wanted to ask Jane if  if uh , you know , maybe one of their transcribers could  could do  I mean since these are very short , that should really be uh ,

There 's only two channels. So it 's only  Yeah.


There 's only two channels. So it 's only  Yeah.


There 's only two channels. So it 's only  Yeah.

As the synthesis doesn't have to be transcribed I think.


As the synthesis doesn't have to be transcribed I think.


As the synthesis doesn't have to be transcribed I think.

Yeah. So  So it 's basically one channel to transcribe. And it 's  One session is only uh like seven


Yeah. So  So it 's basically one channel to transcribe. And it 's  One session is only uh like seven

So that should have ma many fewer  And it 's also not uh a bunch of interruptions with people and all that ,


Yeah. So  So it 's basically one channel to transcribe. And it 's  One session is only uh like seven

So that should have ma many fewer  And it 's also not uh a bunch of interruptions with people and all that ,

Right. And some of it is read speech , so we could give them the  the thing that they 're reading


So that should have ma many fewer  And it 's also not uh a bunch of interruptions with people and all that ,

Right. And some of it is read speech , so we could give them the  the thing that they 're reading


Right. And some of it is read speech , so we could give them the  the thing that they 're reading


And so um , um , I guess since she 's  I was gonna ask her but since she 's not around I  maybe I 'll


And so um , um , I guess since she 's  I was gonna ask her but since she 's not around I  maybe I 'll

Uh if  if that 's OK with you to  to , you know , get that stuff uh  to ask her for that , then I 'll do that.


And so um , um , I guess since she 's  I was gonna ask her but since she 's not around I  maybe I 'll

Uh if  if that 's OK with you to  to , you know , get that stuff uh  to ask her for that , then I 'll do that.

Yeah. Yeah , if we 're held up on this other stuff a little bit in order to encompass that , that 's OK because I I um , I mean I still have high hopes that the that the IBM pipeline 'll work out for us , so it 's


Uh if  if that 's OK with you to  to , you know , get that stuff uh  to ask her for that , then I 'll do that.

Yeah. Yeah , if we 're held up on this other stuff a little bit in order to encompass that , that 's OK because I I um , I mean I still have high hopes that the that the IBM pipeline 'll work out for us , so it 's


Yeah. Yeah , if we 're held up on this other stuff a little bit in order to encompass that , that 's OK because I I um , I mean I still have high hopes that the that the IBM pipeline 'll work out for us , so it 's


Oh , yeah , and also related to the transcription stuff , so I 've been trying to keep a web page uh up to date f showing what the current status is of the trans of all the things we 've collected and what stage each meeting is in , in terms of whether it 's


Oh , yeah , and also related to the transcription stuff , so I 've been trying to keep a web page uh up to date f showing what the current status is of the trans of all the things we 've collected and what stage each meeting is in , in terms of whether it 's

Mm - hmm , yeah I will. I  That 's the thing that I sent out just to foo people saying can you update these pages


Mm - hmm , yeah I will. I  That 's the thing that I sent out just to foo people saying can you update these pages

and so that 's where I 'm putting it but I 'll  I 'll send it out to the list telling people to look at it.


Mm - hmm , yeah I will. I  That 's the thing that I sent out just to foo people saying can you update these pages

and so that 's where I 'm putting it but I 'll  I 'll send it out to the list telling people to look at it.

Yeah , I haven't done that. So. I have lots of stuff to add that 's just in my own directory.


and so that 's where I 'm putting it but I 'll  I 'll send it out to the list telling people to look at it.

Yeah , I haven't done that. So. I have lots of stuff to add that 's just in my own directory.


and so that 's where I 'm putting it but I 'll  I 'll send it out to the list telling people to look at it.

Yeah , I haven't done that. So. I have lots of stuff to add that 's just in my own directory.

I 'll try to get to that. OK. So Jane also wanted to talk about participant approval , but I don't really think there 's much to talk about. I 'm just gonna do it. And uh , if anyone objects too much then they can do it instead.


Yeah , I haven't done that. So. I have lots of stuff to add that 's just in my own directory.

I 'll try to get to that. OK. So Jane also wanted to talk about participant approval , but I don't really think there 's much to talk about. I 'm just gonna do it. And uh , if anyone objects too much then they can do it instead.


I 'll try to get to that. OK. So Jane also wanted to talk about participant approval , but I don't really think there 's much to talk about. I 'm just gonna do it. And uh , if anyone objects too much then they can do it instead.

I 'm gonna send out to the participants , uh , with links to web pages which contain the transcripts and allow them to  suggest edits. And then bleep them out.


I 'm gonna send out to the participants , uh , with links to web pages which contain the transcripts and allow them to  suggest edits. And then bleep them out.


I 'm gonna send out to the participants , uh , with links to web pages which contain the transcripts and allow them to  suggest edits. And then bleep them out.

So but it 's just transcripts , not the  not the audio ?


So but it 's just transcripts , not the  not the audio ?

Nope , they 'll have access to the audio also.


So but it 's just transcripts , not the  not the audio ?

Nope , they 'll have access to the audio also.

I mean that 's my intention. Because the transcripts might not be right.


Nope , they 'll have access to the audio also.

I mean that 's my intention. Because the transcripts might not be right.


I mean that 's my intention. Because the transcripts might not be right.


I mean that 's my intention. Because the transcripts might not be right.

So you want people to be able to listen to them.


So you want people to be able to listen to them.


So you want people to be able to listen to them.

So , um the audio that they 're gonna have access to , will that be the uncompressed version ? Or will you have scripts that like uncompress the various pieces and


So you want people to be able to listen to them.

So , um the audio that they 're gonna have access to , will that be the uncompressed version ? Or will you have scripts that like uncompress the various pieces and

Oh , that 's a good point. That 's a good point. Yeah , it 's  it 's probably going to have to be the uncompressed versions because , uh , uh , it takes too long to do random access decompression.


So , um the audio that they 're gonna have access to , will that be the uncompressed version ? Or will you have scripts that like uncompress the various pieces and

Oh , that 's a good point. That 's a good point. Yeah , it 's  it 's probably going to have to be the uncompressed versions because , uh , uh , it takes too long to do random access decompression.

Hmm. Yeah , I was just wondering because we 're uh running out of the un - backed - up disk space on


Oh , that 's a good point. That 's a good point. Yeah , it 's  it 's probably going to have to be the uncompressed versions because , uh , uh , it takes too long to do random access decompression.

Hmm. Yeah , I was just wondering because we 're uh running out of the un - backed - up disk space on


Hmm. Yeah , I was just wondering because we 're uh running out of the un - backed - up disk space on


So , uh  But that is a good point so we 'll get to that , too. Um , DARPA demo status , not much to say. The back - end stuff is working out fine. It 's more or less ready to go. I 've added some stuff that uh indes indexes by the meeting type MR , EDU , et cetera and also by the user ID. So that the front - end can then do filtering based on that as well. Uh  The back - end is uh , going more slowly as I s I think I said before just cuz I 'm not much of a Tcl - TK programmer. And uh Dave Gelbart says he 's a little too busy. So I think Don and I are gonna work on that and  and you and I can just talk about it off - line more.


So , uh  But that is a good point so we 'll get to that , too. Um , DARPA demo status , not much to say. The back - end stuff is working out fine. It 's more or less ready to go. I 've added some stuff that uh indes indexes by the meeting type MR , EDU , et cetera and also by the user ID. So that the front - end can then do filtering based on that as well. Uh  The back - end is uh , going more slowly as I s I think I said before just cuz I 'm not much of a Tcl - TK programmer. And uh Dave Gelbart says he 's a little too busy. So I think Don and I are gonna work on that and  and you and I can just talk about it off - line more.

But uh  the back - end was pretty smooth.


But uh  the back - end was pretty smooth.

So I think , we 'll have something. It may not be as  As pretty as we might like , but we 'll have something.


But uh  the back - end was pretty smooth.

So I think , we 'll have something. It may not be as  As pretty as we might like , but we 'll have something.

I wondered whe when we would reach Dave 's saturation point. He 's sort of been  been volunteering for everything


So I think , we 'll have something. It may not be as  As pretty as we might like , but we 'll have something.

I wondered whe when we would reach Dave 's saturation point. He 's sort of been  been volunteering for everything


I wondered whe when we would reach Dave 's saturation point. He 's sort of been  been volunteering for everything


O K. Finally said he was too busy. I guess we reached it.


O K. Finally said he was too busy. I guess we reached it.

Yeah , he  he actually  he volunteered but then he s then he retracted it. So. Oh well. Um


O K. Finally said he was too busy. I guess we reached it.

Yeah , he  he actually  he volunteered but then he s then he retracted it. So. Oh well. Um

And , also um , I was just showing Andreas , I got um an X Waves kind of display , and I don't know how much more we can do with it  with like the prosodic stuff where we have like stylized pitches and signals and the transcripts on the bottom


Yeah , he  he actually  he volunteered but then he s then he retracted it. So. Oh well. Um

And , also um , I was just showing Andreas , I got um an X Waves kind of display , and I don't know how much more we can do with it  with like the prosodic stuff where we have like stylized pitches and signals and the transcripts on the bottom

so , right now it 's just an X Waves and then you have three windows but I don't know , it looked pretty nice and I 'm sure it  think it has potential for a little something ,


And , also um , I was just showing Andreas , I got um an X Waves kind of display , and I don't know how much more we can do with it  with like the prosodic stuff where we have like stylized pitches and signals and the transcripts on the bottom

so , right now it 's just an X Waves and then you have three windows but I don't know , it looked pretty nice and I 'm sure it  think it has potential for a little something ,


so , right now it 's just an X Waves and then you have three windows but I don't know , it looked pretty nice and I 'm sure it  think it has potential for a little something ,


OK , so again , the issue is  For July , the issue 's gonna be what can we fit into a Windows machine , uh , and so on , but


I 've been putting together uh Transcriber things for Windows so i And I installed it on Dave Gelbart 's PC and it worked just fine. So hopefully that will work.


I 've been putting together uh Transcriber things for Windows so i And I installed it on Dave Gelbart 's PC and it worked just fine. So hopefully that will work.

Really ? So is that  Because there 's some people um  It would be cool if we could uh get that to work uh at  at SRI


Really ? So is that  Because there 's some people um  It would be cool if we could uh get that to work uh at  at SRI

Well Transcriber is Tcl - TK , very generic with Snack ,


Well Transcriber is Tcl - TK , very generic with Snack ,

we have m m We have more Windows machines to run the


Well Transcriber is Tcl - TK , very generic with Snack ,

we have m m We have more Windows machines to run the

so basically anything you can get Snack to run on , it will work.


we have m m We have more Windows machines to run the

so basically anything you can get Snack to run on , it will work.


so basically anything you can get Snack to run on , it will work.

Yeah. Yeah but  But the problem is the version Transcriber works with , the Snack version , is one point six whatever and that 's not anymore supported. It 's not on  on the web page anymore. But I just wrote an email to  to the author of  to the Snack author and he sent me to one point six whatever library


so basically anything you can get Snack to run on , it will work.

Yeah. Yeah but  But the problem is the version Transcriber works with , the Snack version , is one point six whatever and that 's not anymore supported. It 's not on  on the web page anymore. But I just wrote an email to  to the author of  to the Snack author and he sent me to one point six whatever library

Well I thought it was packaged with Transcriber ?


Yeah. Yeah but  But the problem is the version Transcriber works with , the Snack version , is one point six whatever and that 's not anymore supported. It 's not on  on the web page anymore. But I just wrote an email to  to the author of  to the Snack author and he sent me to one point six whatever library

Well I thought it was packaged with Transcriber ?

and so it works. Yeah , but then you can't add our patches and then the  the new version is  is totally different


Well I thought it was packaged with Transcriber ?

and so it works. Yeah , but then you can't add our patches and then the  the new version is  is totally different

a and in  yeah , in terms of  of the source code.


and so it works. Yeah , but then you can't add our patches and then the  the new version is  is totally different

a and in  yeah , in terms of  of the source code.


a and in  yeah , in terms of  of the source code.

You  you can't find the Tcl files anymore. It 's some whatever wrapped thing


You  you can't find the Tcl files anymore. It 's some whatever wrapped thing

and you can't  you can't access that so you have to install  First install Tcl then install Snack and then install the Transcriber thing and then do the patches.


and you can't  you can't access that so you have to install  First install Tcl then install Snack and then install the Transcriber thing and then do the patches.

I  I wonder if  if we should contribute our changes back to the authors so that they maintain those changes along


I  I wonder if  if we should contribute our changes back to the authors so that they maintain those changes along

We have  Yeah b it 's just hasn't made it into the release yet.


We have  Yeah b it 's just hasn't made it into the release yet.

So did you um put the uh   the NT version out on the uh Meeting Recorder page ? Or


We have  Yeah b it 's just hasn't made it into the release yet.

So did you um put the uh   the NT version out on the uh Meeting Recorder page ? Or

No , I haven't done that yet. I 'm  oh Nope. But I definitely will do that.


So did you um put the uh   the NT version out on the uh Meeting Recorder page ? Or

No , I haven't done that yet. I 'm  oh Nope. But I definitely will do that.

So , can some of the stuff that Don 's talking about somehow fit into this Uh , mean you just have a set of numbers that are associated with the


No , I haven't done that yet. I 'm  oh Nope. But I definitely will do that.

So , can some of the stuff that Don 's talking about somehow fit into this Uh , mean you just have a set of numbers that are associated with the


So , can some of the stuff that Don 's talking about somehow fit into this Uh , mean you just have a set of numbers that are associated with the

Yeah , it 's basically ASCII files or binary files , whatever representation. Just three different  It 's a waveform and just a stylized pitch vector basically so it 's


Yeah , it 's basically ASCII files or binary files , whatever representation. Just three different  It 's a waveform and just a stylized pitch vector basically so it 's


Yeah , it 's basically ASCII files or binary files , whatever representation. Just three different  It 's a waveform and just a stylized pitch vector basically so it 's

I mean we could do it in Matl -  I mean you could do it in a number of different places I 'm sure.


Yeah , it 's basically ASCII files or binary files , whatever representation. Just three different  It 's a waveform and just a stylized pitch vector basically so it 's

I mean we could do it in Matl -  I mean you could do it in a number of different places I 'm sure.

But  But it would be cool if the Transcriber interface had like another window for the  you know , maybe above the waveform where it would show some arbitrary valued function that is  that is you know time synchron ti ti time synchronous with the wavform.


I mean we could do it in Matl -  I mean you could do it in a number of different places I 'm sure.

But  But it would be cool if the Transcriber interface had like another window for the  you know , maybe above the waveform where it would show some arbitrary valued function that is  that is you know time synchron ti ti time synchronous with the wavform.


But  But it would be cool if the Transcriber interface had like another window for the  you know , maybe above the waveform where it would show some arbitrary valued function that is  that is you know time synchron ti ti time synchronous with the wavform.


It 'd be easy enough to add that. Again it 's  it 's  It 's more Tcl - T


It 'd be easy enough to add that. Again it 's  it 's  It 's more Tcl - T

So someone who 's familiar with Tcl - TK has to do it ,


So someone who 's familiar with Tcl - TK has to do it ,


So someone who 's familiar with Tcl - TK has to do it ,

Right. But it would almost be like having another waveform displayed.


Right. But it would almost be like having another waveform displayed.


Yeah. Yeah , maybe we could l look into that.


It doesn't seem like having that real time is that necessary. So yo It seems to me you could do images.


It doesn't seem like having that real time is that necessary. So yo It seems to me you could do images.

Um  What do you mean by real time ? Do you mean like


It doesn't seem like having that real time is that necessary. So yo It seems to me you could do images.

Um  What do you mean by real time ? Do you mean like

Like being able to scroll through it and stuff for the demo.


Um  What do you mean by real time ? Do you mean like

Like being able to scroll through it and stuff for the demo.


Like being able to scroll through it and stuff for the demo.


It would be cool like to see  to hear it and see it ,


It would be cool like to see  to hear it and see it ,

Sure , but I don't think  I  You can do all that just statically in


Sure , but I don't think  I  You can do all that just statically in


Sure , but I don't think  I  You can do all that just statically in

Just record the audio clip and show an image and I think that 's


Just record the audio clip and show an image and I think that 's

Right , right. I just thought if you meant slides I thought you meant like just  like  um view graphs or something.


Just record the audio clip and show an image and I think that 's

Right , right. I just thought if you meant slides I thought you meant like just  like  um view graphs or something.

You know , wh Yeah. So. Uh , no , we 're talking about on the computer and  and um , I think when we were talking about this before we had littl this little demo meeting ,


Right , right. I just thought if you meant slides I thought you meant like just  like  um view graphs or something.

You know , wh Yeah. So. Uh , no , we 're talking about on the computer and  and um , I think when we were talking about this before we had littl this little demo meeting ,

we sort of set up a range of different degrees of liveness that you could have and ,  the more live , the better , but uh , given the crunch of time , we may have to retreat from it to some extent. So I think   For a lot of reasons , I think it would be very nice to have this Transcriber interface be able to show some other interesting signal along with it


You know , wh Yeah. So. Uh , no , we 're talking about on the computer and  and um , I think when we were talking about this before we had littl this little demo meeting ,

we sort of set up a range of different degrees of liveness that you could have and ,  the more live , the better , but uh , given the crunch of time , we may have to retreat from it to some extent. So I think   For a lot of reasons , I think it would be very nice to have this Transcriber interface be able to show some other interesting signal along with it


we sort of set up a range of different degrees of liveness that you could have and ,  the more live , the better , but uh , given the crunch of time , we may have to retreat from it to some extent. So I think   For a lot of reasons , I think it would be very nice to have this Transcriber interface be able to show some other interesting signal along with it

so it 'd be a good thing to get in there. But , um  Anyway , jus just looking for ways that we could actually show what you 're doing , uh , in   to people.


so it 'd be a good thing to get in there. But , um  Anyway , jus just looking for ways that we could actually show what you 're doing , uh , in   to people.

Cuz a lot of this stuff , particularly for Communicator , uh certainly a significant chunk of the things that we waved our arms about th originally had t had to do with prosodics It 'd be nice to show that we can actually get them and see them.


Cuz a lot of this stuff , particularly for Communicator , uh certainly a significant chunk of the things that we waved our arms about th originally had t had to do with prosodics It 'd be nice to show that we can actually get them and see them.


Cuz a lot of this stuff , particularly for Communicator , uh certainly a significant chunk of the things that we waved our arms about th originally had t had to do with prosodics It 'd be nice to show that we can actually get them and see them.

And the last i item on the agenda is disk issues yet again. So , we 're doing OK on backed up. We 're  We 're only about thirty percent on the second disk. So , uh , we have a little bit of time before that becomes critical , but we are like ninety five percent , ninety eight percent on the scratch disks for the expanded meetings.


And the last i item on the agenda is disk issues yet again. So , we 're doing OK on backed up. We 're  We 're only about thirty percent on the second disk. So , uh , we have a little bit of time before that becomes critical , but we are like ninety five percent , ninety eight percent on the scratch disks for the expanded meetings.


And the last i item on the agenda is disk issues yet again. So , we 're doing OK on backed up. We 're  We 're only about thirty percent on the second disk. So , uh , we have a little bit of time before that becomes critical , but we are like ninety five percent , ninety eight percent on the scratch disks for the expanded meetings.

And , my original intention was like we would just delete them as we needed more space , but unfortunately we 're in the position where we have to deal with all the meeting data  all at once , in a lot of different ways.


And , my original intention was like we would just delete them as we needed more space , but unfortunately we 're in the position where we have to deal with all the meeting data  all at once , in a lot of different ways.

Oh there 's a lot of transcribers , too.


And , my original intention was like we would just delete them as we needed more space , but unfortunately we 're in the position where we have to deal with all the meeting data  all at once , in a lot of different ways.

Oh there 's a lot of transcribers , too.

Yeah , there 're a lot of transcribers ,


Oh there 's a lot of transcribers , too.

Yeah , there 're a lot of transcribers ,


Oh there 's a lot of transcribers , too.

Yeah , there 're a lot of transcribers ,

so all of those need to be expanded , and then people are doing chunking and I want to do uh , uh , uh , the permission forms ,


Yeah , there 're a lot of transcribers ,

so all of those need to be expanded , and then people are doing chunking and I want to do uh , uh , uh , the permission forms ,


so all of those need to be expanded , and then people are doing chunking and I want to do uh , uh , uh , the permission forms ,


so I want those to be live , so there 's a lot of data that has to be around. Um  And Jane was gonna talk to , uh , Dave Johnson about it. One of the things I was thinking is we  we just got these hundred  alright , excuse me  ten , uh SPARC - Blade SUN - Blades.


They came in but they 're not set up yet.


They came in but they 're not set up yet.

And so it seems to me we could hang scratch disk on those  because they 'll be in the machine room , they 'll be on the fast connection to the rest of the machines. And if we just need un - backed - up space , we could just hang disks off them.


They came in but they 're not set up yet.

And so it seems to me we could hang scratch disk on those  because they 'll be in the machine room , they 'll be on the fast connection to the rest of the machines. And if we just need un - backed - up space , we could just hang disks off them.

Well , is there  Why not just hang them off of Abbott , is there a


And so it seems to me we could hang scratch disk on those  because they 'll be in the machine room , they 'll be on the fast connection to the rest of the machines. And if we just need un - backed - up space , we could just hang disks off them.

Well , is there  Why not just hang them off of Abbott , is there a

Because there 's no more room in the disk racks on Abbott.


Well , is there  Why not just hang them off of Abbott , is there a

Because there 's no more room in the disk racks on Abbott.


Because there 's no more room in the disk racks on Abbott.


Well , maybe it should get another rack.


Well , maybe it should get another rack.

But you still need to store the disks somehow.


Well , maybe it should get another rack.

But you still need to store the disks somehow.

Well , but the SUN - Blades have spare drive bays.


But you still need to store the disks somehow.

Well , but the SUN - Blades have spare drive bays.


Well , but the SUN - Blades have spare drive bays.


Oh you mean you put them inside the pizza boxes for the


Oh you mean you put them inside the pizza boxes for the

Yeah. Cuz the SUN  uh , these SUN - Blades take commodity hard drives.


Yeah. Cuz the SUN  uh , these SUN - Blades take commodity hard drives.


Yeah. Cuz the SUN  uh , these SUN - Blades take commodity hard drives.

So you can just go out and buy a PC hard drive and stick it in.


So you can just go out and buy a PC hard drive and stick it in.

But if Abbott is going to be our disk server it  it  file server  it seems like we would want to get it , uh , a second disk rack or something.


So you can just go out and buy a PC hard drive and stick it in.

But if Abbott is going to be our disk server it  it  file server  it seems like we would want to get it , uh , a second disk rack or something.

Plus we 're talking about buying a second dis uh , file server.


But if Abbott is going to be our disk server it  it  file server  it seems like we would want to get it , uh , a second disk rack or something.

Plus we 're talking about buying a second dis uh , file server.

Well , I mean there are lots of long term solutions. What I 'm looking for is where do we s expand the next meeting ?


Plus we 're talking about buying a second dis uh , file server.

Well , I mean there are lots of long term solutions. What I 'm looking for is where do we s expand the next meeting ?


Well , I mean there are lots of long term solutions. What I 'm looking for is where do we s expand the next meeting ?

Well , for the next meeting you might be out of luck with those ten , mightn't you ? Uh , you know Dave Johnson is gone for , like , ten days ,


Well , for the next meeting you might be out of luck with those ten , mightn't you ? Uh , you know Dave Johnson is gone for , like , ten days ,


I have um  I have an eighteen gig drive hanging off of my computer.


I have um  I have an eighteen gig drive hanging off of my computer.

Alright ! What 's your computer 's name ?


Alright ! What 's your computer 's name ?

Yeah , I had. Well it 's about  I think there 's about twelve gig left.


Yeah , I had. Well it 's about  I think there 's about twelve gig left.

So it  And you have an X drives installed ? OK.


Yeah , I had. Well it 's about  I think there 's about twelve gig left.

So it  And you have an X drives installed ? OK.

Yeah. So , I didn't realize it was so critical.


So it  And you have an X drives installed ? OK.

Yeah. So , I didn't realize it was so critical.

I mean I 'm not doing anything on it right now until I get new meetings to transcri or that are  new transcriptions coming in I really can't do anything.


Yeah. So , I didn't realize it was so critical.

I mean I 'm not doing anything on it right now until I get new meetings to transcri or that are  new transcriptions coming in I really can't do anything.


I mean I 'm not doing anything on it right now until I get new meetings to transcri or that are  new transcriptions coming in I really can't do anything.


I mean I 'm not doing anything on it right now until I get new meetings to transcri or that are  new transcriptions coming in I really can't do anything.

I  I jus I just gave Thilo some  about ten gigs , the last ten gigs of space that there was on  on uh Abbott. Uh  And uh  So but that  But


I  I jus I just gave Thilo some  about ten gigs , the last ten gigs of space that there was on  on uh Abbott. Uh  And uh  So but that  But


That 's also where we store the  The uh Hub - five training set waveforms ,


On XG is only Carmen and Du - and Stephane 's disk.


On XG is only Carmen and Du - and Stephane 's disk.

But I 've also been storing  I 've been storing the feature files there and I guess I can s start deleting some because we now know what the best features are


But I 've also been storing  I 've been storing the feature files there and I guess I can s start deleting some because we now know what the best features are

and we won't be using the old ones anymore.


and we won't be using the old ones anymore.


I have a lot of space and it 's not  it 's n There 's very little uh  Yeah not for long.


Yeah , it 's probably  Probably only about four gig is on X  on your X drive ,


I think it 's about four or five gig cuz I have four meetings on there ,


I think it 's about four or five gig cuz I have four meetings on there ,

The b I 'm also using DG I got that confused.


The b I 'm also using DG I got that confused.


OK , so that will get us through the next couple days.


OK , so that will get us through the next couple days.

There should  I d There should just be a b I should have a button.


There should  I d There should just be a b I should have a button.


There should  I d There should just be a b I should have a button.

Just press  Press each meeting saying " we need more disk space "  " this week ".


Just press  Press each meeting saying " we need more disk space "  " this week ".


Just press  Press each meeting saying " we need more disk space "  " this week ".

Well we 've collected so far something like uh sixty - five meetings.


Well we 've collected so far something like uh sixty - five meetings.

And  And how much does each meeting take ?


Well we 've collected so far something like uh sixty - five meetings.

And  And how much does each meeting take ?

It 's  It 's a little bit more as I usually don't  do not uncompress the  all of the PZM and the PDA things.


And  And how much does each meeting take ?

It 's  It 's a little bit more as I usually don't  do not uncompress the  all of the PZM and the PDA things.


It 's  It 's a little bit more as I usually don't  do not uncompress the  all of the PZM and the PDA things.


It 's  It 's a little bit more as I usually don't  do not uncompress the  all of the PZM and the PDA things.

Right , yeah so if you uncompressed everything it 's even more.


Right , yeah so if you uncompressed everything it 's even more.

It 's  Yeah. One point five or something.


Right , yeah so if you uncompressed everything it 's even more.

It 's  Yeah. One point five or something.

U Uh compressed how much are they ? Like


It 's  Yeah. One point five or something.

U Uh compressed how much are they ? Like


U Uh compressed how much are they ? Like


So we 're definitely are storing you know , all of those. So there 's what thirty some gig of just meetings so far ?


So we 're definitely are storing you know , all of those. So there 's what thirty some gig of just meetings so far ?

So - so So maybe there 's a hundred  gig or something. Or  I mean. Cuz we  we have the uncompressed around also.


So - so So maybe there 's a hundred  gig or something. Or  I mean. Cuz we  we have the uncompressed around also.


Right. Well we  We haven't uncompressed all the meetings , but


Right. Well we  We haven't uncompressed all the meetings , but

Yeah. Well I mean it 's  the they really are cheap. I mean it 's just a question of figuring out where they should be and hanging them ,


Yeah. Well I mean it 's  the they really are cheap. I mean it 's just a question of figuring out where they should be and hanging them ,


Yeah. Well I mean it 's  the they really are cheap. I mean it 's just a question of figuring out where they should be and hanging them ,

but But uh , we could  You know , if you want to get four disks , get four disks. I mean it 's  it 's small  I mean these things ar are just a few hundred dollars.


but But uh , we could  You know , if you want to get four disks , get four disks. I mean it 's  it 's small  I mean these things ar are just a few hundred dollars.

Yeah. Well I sent that message out to , I guess , you and Dave asking for  if we could get some disk.


Yeah. Well I sent that message out to , I guess , you and Dave asking for  if we could get some disk.


but  and Dave didn't respond so I don I don't know how the whole process works. I mean does he just go out and get them and  if it 's OK , and


but  and Dave didn't respond so I don I don't know how the whole process works. I mean does he just go out and get them and  if it 's OK , and

So I was assuming he was gonna take over  that. But he 's probably too busy given that he 's leaving.


but  and Dave didn't respond so I don I don't know how the whole process works. I mean does he just go out and get them and  if it 's OK , and

So I was assuming he was gonna take over  that. But he 's probably too busy given that he 's leaving.

Yeah , I think you need a direct conversation with him. And just  say an - e just ask him that , you know , wha what should you do. And in my answer back was " are you sure you just want one ? " So I mean I think  that what you want to do is plan ahead a little bit and figure " well , here 's what we pi figure on doing for the next few months ".


So I was assuming he was gonna take over  that. But he 's probably too busy given that he 's leaving.

Yeah , I think you need a direct conversation with him. And just  say an - e just ask him that , you know , wha what should you do. And in my answer back was " are you sure you just want one ? " So I mean I think  that what you want to do is plan ahead a little bit and figure " well , here 's what we pi figure on doing for the next few months ".


So I was assuming he was gonna take over  that. But he 's probably too busy given that he 's leaving.

Yeah , I think you need a direct conversation with him. And just  say an - e just ask him that , you know , wha what should you do. And in my answer back was " are you sure you just want one ? " So I mean I think  that what you want to do is plan ahead a little bit and figure " well , here 's what we pi figure on doing for the next few months ".

Wa - a I know what they want. The sysadmins would prefer to have one external drive per machine. So they don't want to stack up external drives.


Yeah , I think you need a direct conversation with him. And just  say an - e just ask him that , you know , wha what should you do. And in my answer back was " are you sure you just want one ? " So I mean I think  that what you want to do is plan ahead a little bit and figure " well , here 's what we pi figure on doing for the next few months ".

Wa - a I know what they want. The sysadmins would prefer to have one external drive per machine. So they don't want to stack up external drives.


Wa - a I know what they want. The sysadmins would prefer to have one external drive per machine. So they don't want to stack up external drives.

Um   And then they want everything else in the machine room.


Um   And then they want everything else in the machine room.

So the question is where are you gonna hang them ?


Um   And then they want everything else in the machine room.

So the question is where are you gonna hang them ?

Mm - hmm. I don't know what the space situation is in the machine room.


So the question is where are you gonna hang them ?

Mm - hmm. I don't know what the space situation is in the machine room.


Mm - hmm. I don't know what the space situation is in the machine room.

Right. So this is a question that 's pretty hard to solve without talking to Dave ,


Right. So this is a question that 's pretty hard to solve without talking to Dave ,


Right. So this is a question that 's pretty hard to solve without talking to Dave ,

I think part of the reason why Dave can't get the  the new machines up is because he doesn't have room in the machine room right now.


I think part of the reason why Dave can't get the  the new machines up is because he doesn't have room in the machine room right now.


One  One On - One thing to in to um t to do when you need to conserve space is


One  One On - One thing to in to um t to do when you need to conserve space is

So he has to re - arrange a bunch of stuff.


One  One On - One thing to in to um t to do when you need to conserve space is

So he has to re - arrange a bunch of stuff.

I bet there are still some old , uh , like , nine gig disks , uh , around and you can probably consolidate them onto larger disks and  and you know recover the space.


So he has to re - arrange a bunch of stuff.

I bet there are still some old , uh , like , nine gig disks , uh , around and you can probably consolidate them onto larger disks and  and you know recover the space.

Yeah. No. I think Dave  Dave knows all these things , of course. An - and so , he always has a a lot of plans of things that he 's gonna do to make things better in many ways an and runs out of time.


I bet there are still some old , uh , like , nine gig disks , uh , around and you can probably consolidate them onto larger disks and  and you know recover the space.

Yeah. No. I think Dave  Dave knows all these things , of course. An - and so , he always has a a lot of plans of things that he 's gonna do to make things better in many ways an and runs out of time.


Yeah. No. I think Dave  Dave knows all these things , of course. An - and so , he always has a a lot of plans of things that he 's gonna do to make things better in many ways an and runs out of time.

But I  I know that  generally their first priority has been for backed up disk. And so I think what he 's been concentrating on is uh the back  the  back up system , rather than on new disk.


But I  I know that  generally their first priority has been for backed up disk. And so I think what he 's been concentrating on is uh the back  the  back up system , rather than on new disk.


But I  I know that  generally their first priority has been for backed up disk. And so I think what he 's been concentrating on is uh the back  the  back up system , rather than on new disk.

Well. So. But this  this is a very specific question for me. Basically , we can easily get  one to four disks , I mean you just go out and get four and we 've got the money for it , it 's no big deal. Uh , but the question is where they go , and I don't think we can solve that here , you just have to ask him.


Well. So. But this  this is a very specific question for me. Basically , we can easily get  one to four disks , I mean you just go out and get four and we 've got the money for it , it 's no big deal. Uh , but the question is where they go , and I don't think we can solve that here , you just have to ask him.

Maybe we can put some disks in the  in that back room there.


Maybe we can put some disks in the  in that back room there.


To the machine that collects the data. So then you could , at least temporarily , store stuff there.


To the machine that collects the data. So then you could , at least temporarily , store stuff there.

Yeah , it 's just  It 's not on the net , so it 's a little  awkward


Yeah , it 's just  It 's not on the net , so it 's a little  awkward


It 's behind lots of fire walls that don't allow any services through except S S


It 's behind lots of fire walls that don't allow any services through except S S

Oh because it 's  because it 's an ACIRI machine ?


Oh because it 's  because it 's an ACIRI machine ?


And also on the list is to get it into the normal ICSI net , but Who knows when that will happen ?


And also on the list is to get it into the normal ICSI net , but Who knows when that will happen ?

That might be a good short term solution , though.


That might be a good short term solution , though.

No , the  the problem with that apparently is that they don't currently have a wire running to that back room  that goes anywhere near one of the ICSI routers.


No , the  the problem with that apparently is that they don't currently have a wire running to that back room  that goes anywhere near one of the ICSI routers.

So , they actually have to run a wire somewhere.


No , the  the problem with that apparently is that they don't currently have a wire running to that back room  that goes anywhere near one of the ICSI routers.

So , they actually have to run a wire somewhere.

Yeah. Yeah , e again , you know , any one of these things is certainly not a big deal. If there was a person dedicated to doing it they would happen pretty easily but it 's  it 's  jus every ever everybody  everybody has a  has


So , they actually have to run a wire somewhere.

Yeah. Yeah , e again , you know , any one of these things is certainly not a big deal. If there was a person dedicated to doing it they would happen pretty easily but it 's  it 's  jus every ever everybody  everybody has a  has


So , they actually have to run a wire somewhere.

Yeah. Yeah , e again , you know , any one of these things is certainly not a big deal. If there was a person dedicated to doing it they would happen pretty easily but it 's  it 's  jus every ever everybody  everybody has a  has

Well all of us have long lists of different things we 're doing. But at any rate I think that there 's a  there 's a longer term thing and there 's immediate need and I think we need a  a conversation with  Uh , maybe  maybe after  after tea or something you and I can go down and  and talk to him about it Just say " wha you know , what should we do right now ? "


Yeah. Yeah , e again , you know , any one of these things is certainly not a big deal. If there was a person dedicated to doing it they would happen pretty easily but it 's  it 's  jus every ever everybody  everybody has a  has

Well all of us have long lists of different things we 're doing. But at any rate I think that there 's a  there 's a longer term thing and there 's immediate need and I think we need a  a conversation with  Uh , maybe  maybe after  after tea or something you and I can go down and  and talk to him about it Just say " wha you know , what should we do right now ? "


Well all of us have long lists of different things we 're doing. But at any rate I think that there 's a  there 's a longer term thing and there 's immediate need and I think we need a  a conversation with  Uh , maybe  maybe after  after tea or something you and I can go down and  and talk to him about it Just say " wha you know , what should we do right now ? "


Yeah basically tomorrow and all of  the week after.


Yeah basically tomorrow and all of  the week after.

Um  Let 's see. The only oth thing  other thing I was gonna add was that um  uh , I talked briefly to Mari and uh we had  both been busy with other things so we haven't really connected that much since the  last meeting we had here but we agreed that we would have a telephone meeting the Friday after next. And I  I  I wanted to make it , um after the next one of these meetings , so something that we wanna do next meeting is  is uh to put together um , a kind of reasonable list for ourselves of what is it , um , that we 've done. I mean just sort of bulletize I mean o e do do I can  I can dream up text but  this is basically gonna lead to the annual report. So  Um  If w


Um  Let 's see. The only oth thing  other thing I was gonna add was that um  uh , I talked briefly to Mari and uh we had  both been busy with other things so we haven't really connected that much since the  last meeting we had here but we agreed that we would have a telephone meeting the Friday after next. And I  I  I wanted to make it , um after the next one of these meetings , so something that we wanna do next meeting is  is uh to put together um , a kind of reasonable list for ourselves of what is it , um , that we 've done. I mean just sort of bulletize I mean o e do do I can  I can dream up text but  this is basically gonna lead to the annual report. So  Um  If w

This is the fifteenth ? So just a week from tomorrow ?


This is the fifteenth ? So just a week from tomorrow ?


This is the fifteenth ? So just a week from tomorrow ?

Yeah. Yeah. So , uh , we can  This  So that 's an


Yeah. Yeah. So , uh , we can  This  So that 's an


Yeah. Yeah. So , uh , we can  This  So that 's an

Or  Because you know I  Fridays I have to leave uh like around uh two. So if it could be before that would be be


Or  Because you know I  Fridays I have to leave uh like around uh two. So if it could be before that would be be

No , no but I  I  I don't need other folks for the meeting. I can do it. A A All I 'm saying is that on


Or  Because you know I  Fridays I have to leave uh like around uh two. So if it could be before that would be be

No , no but I  I  I don't need other folks for the meeting. I can do it. A A All I 'm saying is that on

Oh , OK , alright. Oh I 'm sorry , I misunderstood.


Or  Because you know I  Fridays I have to leave uh like around uh two. So if it could be before that would be be

No , no but I  I  I don't need other folks for the meeting. I can do it. A A All I 'm saying is that on

Oh , OK , alright. Oh I 'm sorry , I misunderstood.

Yeah so what I meant was on the me this meeting  if I wa something I  I  I 'm making a major thing in the agenda is I wanna help in getting together a list of what it is that we 've done so I can tell her.


No , no but I  I  I don't need other folks for the meeting. I can do it. A A All I 'm saying is that on

Oh , OK , alright. Oh I 'm sorry , I misunderstood.

Yeah so what I meant was on the me this meeting  if I wa something I  I  I 'm making a major thing in the agenda is I wanna help in getting together a list of what it is that we 've done so I can tell her.

I thought you are  OK. Alright. Mm - hmm.


Oh , OK , alright. Oh I 'm sorry , I misunderstood.

Yeah so what I meant was on the me this meeting  if I wa something I  I  I 'm making a major thing in the agenda is I wanna help in getting together a list of what it is that we 've done so I can tell her.

I thought you are  OK. Alright. Mm - hmm.


Yeah so what I meant was on the me this meeting  if I wa something I  I  I 'm making a major thing in the agenda is I wanna help in getting together a list of what it is that we 've done so I can tell her.

I thought you are  OK. Alright. Mm - hmm.


I thought you are  OK. Alright. Mm - hmm.

but  but um  Uh , and then the next day uh , late in the day I 'll be having that  that discussion with her.


but  but um  Uh , and then the next day uh , late in the day I 'll be having that  that discussion with her.


but  but um  Uh , and then the next day uh , late in the day I 'll be having that  that discussion with her.

Um  Uh  One thing  I mean  we    in past meetings we had um also a you know various  variously talked about the um work that w uh was happening sort of on the  on the recognition side


Um  Uh  One thing  I mean  we    in past meetings we had um also a you know various  variously talked about the um work that w uh was happening sort of on the  on the recognition side


Um  Uh  One thing  I mean  we    in past meetings we had um also a you know various  variously talked about the um work that w uh was happening sort of on the  on the recognition side

um but isn't necessarily related to meetings uh specifically. So. Um. And I wondered whether we should maybe have um a separate meeting and between you know , whoever 's interested in that because I feel that uh there 's plenty of stuff to talk about but it would be sort of um maybe the wrong place to do it in this meeting if uh


um but isn't necessarily related to meetings uh specifically. So. Um. And I wondered whether we should maybe have um a separate meeting and between you know , whoever 's interested in that because I feel that uh there 's plenty of stuff to talk about but it would be sort of um maybe the wrong place to do it in this meeting if uh

Well , it 's that  It 's just gonna be ver very boring for people who are not you know , sort of really interested in the details of the recognition system.


Well , it 's that  It 's just gonna be ver very boring for people who are not you know , sort of really interested in the details of the recognition system.

Well , OK , so how many  how many people here would not be interested in uh  in a meeting about recognition ?


Well , OK , so how many  how many people here would not be interested in uh  in a meeting about recognition ?


Well I know  Well , Jane an Well you mean in a separate meeting or ha ha talking about it in this


Well I know  Well , Jane an Well you mean in a separate meeting or ha ha talking about it in this

No. If we talked about it in this meeting.


Well I know  Well , Jane an Well you mean in a separate meeting or ha ha talking about it in this

No. If we talked about it in this meeting.

He 's wondering how much overlap there will be.


No. If we talked about it in this meeting.

He 's wondering how much overlap there will be.


He 's wondering how much overlap there will be.


OK , so we 're gonna have a guy 's meeting.


Yeah , real  real  real men  " Real men do decoding " or something like that.


I mean it it 's sort of  I mean when  when the talk is about data collection stuff , sometimes I 've  you know , I  I 'm bored.


I mean it it 's sort of  I mean when  when the talk is about data collection stuff , sometimes I 've  you know , I  I 'm bored.

So it 's I c I can sympathize with them not wanting to  i to  to be uh  you know  If  I cou you know  this could


So it 's I c I can sympathize with them not wanting to  i to  to be uh  you know  If  I cou you know  this could

It 's cuz  y you have a  So you need a better developed feminine side.


So it 's I c I can sympathize with them not wanting to  i to  to be uh  you know  If  I cou you know  this could

It 's cuz  y you have a  So you need a better developed feminine side.

There 's probably gonna be a lot of " bleeps " in this meeting.


It 's cuz  y you have a  So you need a better developed feminine side.

There 's probably gonna be a lot of " bleeps " in this meeting.


There 's probably gonna be a lot of " bleeps " in this meeting.


I think it must be  uh nearing the end of the week. Um.  Yeah. I  You know , I  I 've heard some comments about like this. That m could be.


We could do it every other week or so. You know , whatev or whenever we feel like we


We could do it every other week or so. You know , whatev or whenever we feel like we

Right , I was  Why don't we alternate this meeting every other week ?


Right , I was  Why don't we alternate this meeting every other week ?

Yeah , so on even weeks have  basic  on data.


Yeah , so on even weeks have  basic  on data.


I  I  Personally I 'd  I 'm not in favor of more meetings. Um.  Because , uh.


But I do I don't  I mean a lot of times lately it seems like we don't really have enough for a full meeting on Meeting Recorder.


But I do I don't  I mean a lot of times lately it seems like we don't really have enough for a full meeting on Meeting Recorder.

Well , except that we keep going for our full time.


Well , except that we keep going for our full time.


Well , except that we keep going for our full time.

Well , cuz we get into these other topics.


Well , cuz we get into these other topics.


Well , cuz we get into these other topics.

We feel  We feel obligated to collect more data.


We feel  We feel obligated to collect more data.


So if we could alternate the focus of the meeting


And then if we find , you know we 're just not getting enough done , there 's all these topics not coming up , then we can expand into another meeting.


And then if we find , you know we 're just not getting enough done , there 's all these topics not coming up , then we can expand into another meeting.

But I  I think that 's a great idea. Uh. So uh. Um. Let 's chat about it with Liz and Jane  when we get a chance , see what they think and


But I  I think that 's a great idea. Uh. So uh. Um. Let 's chat about it with Liz and Jane  when we get a chance , see what they think and

Yeah that would be good. I mean Andreas and I have various talks in the halls


Yeah that would be good. I mean Andreas and I have various talks in the halls

and there 's lots of things , you know , details and stuff that would I think people 'd be interested in and I 'd  you know , where do we go from here kind of things and  So , it would be good.


Yeah that would be good. I mean Andreas and I have various talks in the halls

and there 's lots of things , you know , details and stuff that would I think people 'd be interested in and I 'd  you know , where do we go from here kind of things and  So , it would be good.

Yeah , and you 're  you 're attending  the uh  the front - end meeting as well as the others so you have  you have probably one of the best  you and I , I guess are the main ones who sort of see the bridge between the two.


and there 's lots of things , you know , details and stuff that would I think people 'd be interested in and I 'd  you know , where do we go from here kind of things and  So , it would be good.

Yeah , and you 're  you 're attending  the uh  the front - end meeting as well as the others so you have  you have probably one of the best  you and I , I guess are the main ones who sort of see the bridge between the two.


Yeah , and you 're  you 're attending  the uh  the front - end meeting as well as the others so you have  you have probably one of the best  you and I , I guess are the main ones who sort of see the bridge between the two.

We are doing recognition in both of them. So.


We are doing recognition in both of them. So.


So um. So  so we could talk a little bit about that now if  if there 's some time.


So um. So  so we could talk a little bit about that now if  if there 's some time.

Um I jus So the latest result was that um um yot I tested the uh  the sort of final version of the PLP configuration um on development test data for  for this year 's Hub - five test set.


Um I jus So the latest result was that um um yot I tested the uh  the sort of final version of the PLP configuration um on development test data for  for this year 's Hub - five test set.

And the recognition performance was exactly , and I mean exactly up to the  you know , the first decimal , same as with the uh Mel Cepstra front - end.


And the recognition performance was exactly , and I mean exactly up to the  you know , the first decimal , same as with the uh Mel Cepstra front - end.


And the recognition performance was exactly , and I mean exactly up to the  you know , the first decimal , same as with the uh Mel Cepstra front - end.

Yes. Uh , well i there was a little bit of a


Yes. Uh , well i there was a little bit of a


Yes. Uh , well i there was a little bit of a

i overall. They  They were  The males I think were slightly better and the females were slightly worse but nothing really.


i overall. They  They were  The males I think were slightly better and the females were slightly worse but nothing really.


And then the really nice thing was that if  if we combine the two systems we get a one and a half percent improvement.


And then the really nice thing was that if  if we combine the two systems we get a one and a half percent improvement.

So. t With N - best ROVER , which is like our  new and improved version of ROVER.


So. t With N - best ROVER , which is like our  new and improved version of ROVER.

Which u actually uses the whole N - best list from both systems  to  mmm , uh  c combine that.


So. t With N - best ROVER , which is like our  new and improved version of ROVER.

Which u actually uses the whole N - best list from both systems  to  mmm , uh  c combine that.

So except  I mean the only key difference between the two really is the kind of smoothing at the end which is the auto - regressive versus the cepstral truncation.


Which u actually uses the whole N - best list from both systems  to  mmm , uh  c combine that.

So except  I mean the only key difference between the two really is the kind of smoothing at the end which is the auto - regressive versus the cepstral truncation.


So except  I mean the only key difference between the two really is the kind of smoothing at the end which is the auto - regressive versus the cepstral truncation.


And  And so uh after I told the  my uh colleagues at SRI about that , you know , now they definitely want to , you know , uh , have a  Next time we have an evaluation they want to do uh , you know , basically a at least the system combination. Um , and , you know , why not ?


And  And so uh after I told the  my uh colleagues at SRI about that , you know , now they definitely want to , you know , uh , have a  Next time we have an evaluation they want to do uh , you know , basically a at least the system combination. Um , and , you know , why not ?

We clearly gotta add a few more features , though.


We clearly gotta add a few more features , though.

Uh w what do you mean ? More features in the sense of front - end features or in the sense of just bells and whistles ?


We clearly gotta add a few more features , though.

Uh w what do you mean ? More features in the sense of front - end features or in the sense of just bells and whistles ?

No , uh front - end features. You know we did PLP and Mel Cepstra. Let 's , you know , try RASTA and MSG , and


We clearly gotta add a few more features , though.

Uh w what do you mean ? More features in the sense of front - end features or in the sense of just bells and whistles ?

No , uh front - end features. You know we did PLP and Mel Cepstra. Let 's , you know , try RASTA and MSG , and

Oh I mean  Yeah. Well Right. So , we cou Yeah. That 's  the  the the  There 's one thing uh  I mean you don't want to overdo it because y every front - end  You know , if you  you know you basically multiply your effort by N , where N is a number of different systems


Uh w what do you mean ? More features in the sense of front - end features or in the sense of just bells and whistles ?

No , uh front - end features. You know we did PLP and Mel Cepstra. Let 's , you know , try RASTA and MSG , and

Oh I mean  Yeah. Well Right. So , we cou Yeah. That 's  the  the the  There 's one thing uh  I mean you don't want to overdo it because y every front - end  You know , if you  you know you basically multiply your effort by N , where N is a number of different systems


No , uh front - end features. You know we did PLP and Mel Cepstra. Let 's , you know , try RASTA and MSG , and

Oh I mean  Yeah. Well Right. So , we cou Yeah. That 's  the  the the  There 's one thing uh  I mean you don't want to overdo it because y every front - end  You know , if you  you know you basically multiply your effort by N , where N is a number of different systems


Oh I mean  Yeah. Well Right. So , we cou Yeah. That 's  the  the the  There 's one thing uh  I mean you don't want to overdo it because y every front - end  You know , if you  you know you basically multiply your effort by N , where N is a number of different systems

and  Um. So. So one  one compromise would be to  only to have the  everything up to the point where you generate lattices be basically one system and then after that you rescore your lattices with the multiple systems and combine the results and that 's a fairly painless um thing.


and  Um. So. So one  one compromise would be to  only to have the  everything up to the point where you generate lattices be basically one system and then after that you rescore your lattices with the multiple systems and combine the results and that 's a fairly painless um thing.


and  Um. So. So one  one compromise would be to  only to have the  everything up to the point where you generate lattices be basically one system and then after that you rescore your lattices with the multiple systems and combine the results and that 's a fairly painless um thing.

Do you think we 'd still get the one and a half uh


Do you think we 'd still get the one and a half uh

I  I think so. Yeah. Maybe a little less because at that point the error rates are lower and so if  You know , maybe it 's only one percent or something but that would still be worthwhile doing.


Do you think we 'd still get the one and a half uh

I  I think so. Yeah. Maybe a little less because at that point the error rates are lower and so if  You know , maybe it 's only one percent or something but that would still be worthwhile doing.

So. Um  Jus - You know , just wanted to let you know that that 's working out very nicely.


I  I think so. Yeah. Maybe a little less because at that point the error rates are lower and so if  You know , maybe it 's only one percent or something but that would still be worthwhile doing.

So. Um  Jus - You know , just wanted to let you know that that 's working out very nicely.


So. Um  Jus - You know , just wanted to let you know that that 's working out very nicely.

And then we had some results on  digits , uh , with um  We  We  So this was uh really   really sort of just to get Dave going with his um experiments.


And then we had some results on  digits , uh , with um  We  We  So this was uh really   really sort of just to get Dave going with his um experiments.

And so , uh. But as a result , um , you know , we were sort of wondering why is the Hub - five system doing so well on the digits.


And so , uh. But as a result , um , you know , we were sort of wondering why is the Hub - five system doing so well on the digits.

And the reason is basically there 's a whole bunch of read speech data in the Hub - five training set.


And the reason is basically there 's a whole bunch of read speech data in the Hub - five training set.


And the reason is basically there 's a whole bunch of read speech data in the Hub - five training set.

And you c And  Not all of  No it 's actually , digits is only a maybe a fifth of it.


And you c And  Not all of  No it 's actually , digits is only a maybe a fifth of it.


And you c And  Not all of  No it 's actually , digits is only a maybe a fifth of it.

The rest is  is read  is read TIMIT data and uh ATIS data and Wall Street Journal and stuff like that.


The rest is  is read  is read TIMIT data and uh ATIS data and Wall Street Journal and stuff like that.

A fifth would be maybe uh two hours something.


The rest is  is read  is read TIMIT data and uh ATIS data and Wall Street Journal and stuff like that.

A fifth would be maybe uh two hours something.

Yeah , so I mean that 's actually not that different from the  amount of training that there was.


A fifth would be maybe uh two hours something.

Yeah , so I mean that 's actually not that different from the  amount of training that there was.


Yeah , so I mean that 's actually not that different from the  amount of training that there was.

But it definitely helps to have the other read data in there


But it definitely helps to have the other read data in there


But it definitely helps to have the other read data in there

You know the error rate is half of what you do if you train only on ti uh TIMIT   uh not TIMIT uh TI - digits ,


You know the error rate is half of what you do if you train only on ti uh TIMIT   uh not TIMIT uh TI - digits ,


You know the error rate is half of what you do if you train only on ti uh TIMIT   uh not TIMIT uh TI - digits ,

which is only what two hours something ?


which is only what two hours something ?


which is only what two hours something ?

So. Uh , more read speech data definitely helps. And you can leave out all the conversational data with no performance penalty.


So. Uh , more read speech data definitely helps. And you can leave out all the conversational data with no performance penalty.


So. Uh , more read speech data definitely helps. And you can leave out all the conversational data with no performance penalty.

Because  because uh , it was apparent if you put in a bunch more data it would be better ,


Because  because uh , it was apparent if you put in a bunch more data it would be better ,


Well is there even more read speech data around ?


Well is there even more read speech data around ?

Oh , yeah. So we only  for the Hub - five training , we 're only using uh a fairly small subset of the Macrophone  database.


Well is there even more read speech data around ?

Oh , yeah. So we only  for the Hub - five training , we 're only using uh a fairly small subset of the Macrophone  database.

Um , so , you could beef that up and probably do even better.


Oh , yeah. So we only  for the Hub - five training , we 're only using uh a fairly small subset of the Macrophone  database.

Um , so , you could beef that up and probably do even better.

I could also put in  uh focus condition zero from Hub - four from Broadcast News , which is mostly prepared speech.


Um , so , you could beef that up and probably do even better.

I could also put in  uh focus condition zero from Hub - four from Broadcast News , which is mostly prepared speech.


Um , so , you could beef that up and probably do even better.

I could also put in  uh focus condition zero from Hub - four from Broadcast News , which is mostly prepared speech.

It 's not exactly read speech but it 's pretty darn close.


I could also put in  uh focus condition zero from Hub - four from Broadcast News , which is mostly prepared speech.

It 's not exactly read speech but it 's pretty darn close.

Yeah. Yeah. Right. Well , I mean that 's plenty of read speech data. I mean , Wall Street Journal ,  uh , take one example.


It 's not exactly read speech but it 's pretty darn close.

Yeah. Yeah. Right. Well , I mean that 's plenty of read speech data. I mean , Wall Street Journal ,  uh , take one example.


It 's not exactly read speech but it 's pretty darn close.

Yeah. Yeah. Right. Well , I mean that 's plenty of read speech data. I mean , Wall Street Journal ,  uh , take one example.

But um. So , you know that might be useful for the people who train the  the digit recognizers to  to use uh something other than TI - digits.


Yeah. Yeah. Right. Well , I mean that 's plenty of read speech data. I mean , Wall Street Journal ,  uh , take one example.

But um. So , you know that might be useful for the people who train the  the digit recognizers to  to use uh something other than TI - digits.


But um. So , you know that might be useful for the people who train the  the digit recognizers to  to use uh something other than TI - digits.


That  Uh.  They  they uh  they experimented for a while with a bunch of different databases with French and Spanish and so forth cuz they 're multilingual tests


That  Uh.  They  they uh  they experimented for a while with a bunch of different databases with French and Spanish and so forth cuz they 're multilingual tests

and  and uh , um ,  and actually the best results they got wa were uh using TIMIT.


and  and uh , um ,  and actually the best results they got wa were uh using TIMIT.

Uh  But uh  which  So that 's what they 're  they 're using now.


Uh  But uh  which  So that 's what they 're  they 're using now.

But  but yeah certainly if we , um  If we knew what the structure of what we 're doing there was. I mean there 's still a bunch of messing around with different kinds of uh noise robustness algorithms.


But  but yeah certainly if we , um  If we knew what the structure of what we 're doing there was. I mean there 's still a bunch of messing around with different kinds of uh noise robustness algorithms.

So we don't know exactly which combination we 're gonna be going with.


So we don't know exactly which combination we 're gonna be going with.

Once we know , then  the trainable parts of it  it 'd be great to run lots of  lots of stuff through.


So we don't know exactly which combination we 're gonna be going with.

Once we know , then  the trainable parts of it  it 'd be great to run lots of  lots of stuff through.

Mm - hmm. Right. Well , that was that. And then I th guess Chuck and I had some discussions about how to proceed with the tandem uh system and  You wanna   You wanna see where that stands ?


Once we know , then  the trainable parts of it  it 'd be great to run lots of  lots of stuff through.

Mm - hmm. Right. Well , that was that. And then I th guess Chuck and I had some discussions about how to proceed with the tandem uh system and  You wanna   You wanna see where that stands ?


Once we know , then  the trainable parts of it  it 'd be great to run lots of  lots of stuff through.

Mm - hmm. Right. Well , that was that. And then I th guess Chuck and I had some discussions about how to proceed with the tandem uh system and  You wanna   You wanna see where that stands ?

Yeah , so Andreas uh brought over the uh alignments that the SRI system uses. And so I 'm in the process of um converting those alignments into uh label files that we can use to train uh a new net with. And uh so then I 'll train the net. And.


Mm - hmm. Right. Well , that was that. And then I th guess Chuck and I had some discussions about how to proceed with the tandem uh system and  You wanna   You wanna see where that stands ?

Yeah , so Andreas uh brought over the uh alignments that the SRI system uses. And so I 'm in the process of um converting those alignments into uh label files that we can use to train uh a new net with. And uh so then I 'll train the net. And.

An - And one side effect of that would be that it 's  um that the phone set would change. So the MLP would be trained on I think only forty - six or forty - eight


Yeah , so Andreas uh brought over the uh alignments that the SRI system uses. And so I 'm in the process of um converting those alignments into uh label files that we can use to train uh a new net with. And uh so then I 'll train the net. And.

An - And one side effect of that would be that it 's  um that the phone set would change. So the MLP would be trained on I think only forty - six or forty - eight


An - And one side effect of that would be that it 's  um that the phone set would change. So the MLP would be trained on I think only forty - six or forty - eight


Uh which is smaller than the um than the phone set that  that we 've been using so far.


Uh which is smaller than the um than the phone set that  that we 've been using so far.

And that  that  that will probably help , actually ,


And that  that  that will probably help , actually ,

because um the fewer dimensions uh e the less trouble probably with the  as far as just the um , um  Just  You know we want to try things like deltas on the tandem features. And so you h have to multiply everything by two or three. And so , you know , fewer dimensions in the  phone set would be actually helpful just from a logistics point of view.


And that  that  that will probably help , actually ,

because um the fewer dimensions uh e the less trouble probably with the  as far as just the um , um  Just  You know we want to try things like deltas on the tandem features. And so you h have to multiply everything by two or three. And so , you know , fewer dimensions in the  phone set would be actually helpful just from a logistics point of view.

Sure. Although we  I mean , it 's not that many fewer and  and  and we take a KLT anyway so we could


because um the fewer dimensions uh e the less trouble probably with the  as far as just the um , um  Just  You know we want to try things like deltas on the tandem features. And so you h have to multiply everything by two or three. And so , you know , fewer dimensions in the  phone set would be actually helpful just from a logistics point of view.

Sure. Although we  I mean , it 's not that many fewer and  and  and we take a KLT anyway so we could


Sure. Although we  I mean , it 's not that many fewer and  and  and we take a KLT anyway so we could

So  so that was the other thing. And then we wanted to s just limit it to maybe uh something on the same order of dimensions as we use in a standard um front - end. So that would mean just doing the top I don't know ten or twelve or something of the KLT dimensions.


So  so that was the other thing. And then we wanted to s just limit it to maybe uh something on the same order of dimensions as we use in a standard um front - end. So that would mean just doing the top I don't know ten or twelve or something of the KLT dimensions.

Yeah , and I think  and we sh again check  we should check with Stephane. My impression was that when we did that before that had very little  uh he didn't lose very much.


Yeah , and I think  and we sh again check  we should check with Stephane. My impression was that when we did that before that had very little  uh he didn't lose very much.


But then  And then something  Once we have the new M L P trained up , uh one thing I wanted to try just for the fun of it was to actually run uh like a standard hybrid system that is based on you know , those features uh and uh retrain MLP and also the you know , the dictionary that we use for the Hub - five system.


But then  And then something  Once we have the new M L P trained up , uh one thing I wanted to try just for the fun of it was to actually run uh like a standard hybrid system that is based on you know , those features uh and uh retrain MLP and also the you know , the dictionary that we use for the Hub - five system.

And the b And the base u starting off with the base of the alignments that you got from i from a pretty decent system.


And the b And the base u starting off with the base of the alignments that you got from i from a pretty decent system.

Yeah. So that would basically give us a , um , more  hopefully a  a better system


Yeah. So that would basically give us a , um , more  hopefully a  a better system


Yeah. So that would basically give us a , um , more  hopefully a  a better system

um because  you know , compared to what Eric did a while ago , where he trained up , I think , a system based on Broadcast News and then uh tra retraining it on Switchboard or s uh and


um because  you know , compared to what Eric did a while ago , where he trained up , I think , a system based on Broadcast News and then uh tra retraining it on Switchboard or s uh and

But he  I think he d he didn't  he probably didn't use all the training data that was available. And his dictionary probably wasn't as tuned to um conversational speech as  as the  as ours is.


um because  you know , compared to what Eric did a while ago , where he trained up , I think , a system based on Broadcast News and then uh tra retraining it on Switchboard or s uh and

But he  I think he d he didn't  he probably didn't use all the training data that was available. And his dictionary probably wasn't as tuned to um conversational speech as  as the  as ours is.

That 's  That 's certainly one thing , yeah.


But he  I think he d he didn't  he probably didn't use all the training data that was available. And his dictionary probably wasn't as tuned to um conversational speech as  as the  as ours is.

That 's  That 's certainly one thing , yeah.


That 's  That 's certainly one thing , yeah.

And the dictionary made a huge difference. Uh. We  we made some improvements to the dictionary 's uh  to the dictionary about two years ago which resulted in a  uh something like a four percent absolute error rate reduction on Switchboard , which


And the dictionary made a huge difference. Uh. We  we made some improvements to the dictionary 's uh  to the dictionary about two years ago which resulted in a  uh something like a four percent absolute error rate reduction on Switchboard , which

Well the other thing is , dipping  deep into history and into uh our resource management days , when we were collaborating with SRI before ,


And the dictionary made a huge difference. Uh. We  we made some improvements to the dictionary 's uh  to the dictionary about two years ago which resulted in a  uh something like a four percent absolute error rate reduction on Switchboard , which

Well the other thing is , dipping  deep into history and into uh our resource management days , when we were collaborating with SRI before ,

uh it was  I think , it is was a really key uh starting point for us that we actually got our alignment.


Well the other thing is , dipping  deep into history and into uh our resource management days , when we were collaborating with SRI before ,

uh it was  I think , it is was a really key uh starting point for us that we actually got our alignment.


uh it was  I think , it is was a really key uh starting point for us that we actually got our alignment.

When we were working together we got our initial alignments from Decipher , uh  at the time.


When we were working together we got our initial alignments from Decipher , uh  at the time.

Uh.  And. Later we got away from it because  because once we had decent systems going then it was  it was typically better to use our own systems


Uh.  And. Later we got away from it because  because once we had decent systems going then it was  it was typically better to use our own systems


Uh.  And. Later we got away from it because  because once we had decent systems going then it was  it was typically better to use our own systems

cuz they were self consistent but  but certainly to start off when we were trying to recover from our initial hundred and forty percent error uh rate. Uh.  But that was a  that was a good  good  good way to start.


cuz they were self consistent but  but certainly to start off when we were trying to recover from our initial hundred and forty percent error uh rate. Uh.  But that was a  that was a good  good  good way to start.


cuz they were self consistent but  but certainly to start off when we were trying to recover from our initial hundred and forty percent error uh rate. Uh.  But that was a  that was a good  good  good way to start.

And we 're not quite that bad with our  our Switchboard systems but it was  they certainly aren't as good as SRI 's ,


And we 're not quite that bad with our  our Switchboard systems but it was  they certainly aren't as good as SRI 's ,


W What is the performance on s the best Switchboard system that we 've done ? Roughly ?