So , you know , mak re making reference to buildings as institutions , as containers , as build

you know , whatever. Um , so ib in mus for example , in museums , you know , as a building or as something where pictures hang versus , you know , ev something that puts on exhibits , so forth.


you know , whatever. Um , so ib in mus for example , in museums , you know , as a building or as something where pictures hang versus , you know , ev something that puts on exhibits , so forth.


Why don't you want to use any of those ?


Why don't you want to use any of those ?

Yeah , well  No , but this  that 's what I have , you know , started doing.


Yeah , well  No , but this  that 's what I have , you know , started doing.

The castle  the  that old castle one is sort of


The castle  the  that old castle one is sort of


But I think the argument should be  uh , can be made that , you know , despite the fact that this is not the most met metaphorical domain , because people interacting with HTI systems try to be straightforward and less lyrical ,


But I think the argument should be  uh , can be made that , you know , despite the fact that this is not the most met metaphorical domain , because people interacting with HTI systems try to be straightforward and less lyrical ,

construal still is , uh , you know , completely , um , key in terms of finding out any of these things , so , um.


But I think the argument should be  uh , can be made that , you know , despite the fact that this is not the most met metaphorical domain , because people interacting with HTI systems try to be straightforward and less lyrical ,

construal still is , uh , you know , completely , um , key in terms of finding out any of these things , so , um.

Right. So that 's  that 's  that 's a  that 's a reasonable point , that it  in this domain you 're gonna get less metaphor and more metonymy.


construal still is , uh , you know , completely , um , key in terms of finding out any of these things , so , um.

Right. So that 's  that 's  that 's a  that 's a reasonable point , that it  in this domain you 're gonna get less metaphor and more metonymy.

We , uh  I  with a  I looked  with a student I looked at the entire database that we have on Heidelberg for cases of metonymy.


construal still is , uh , you know , completely , um , key in terms of finding out any of these things , so , um.

Right. So that 's  that 's  that 's a  that 's a reasonable point , that it  in this domain you 're gonna get less metaphor and more metonymy.

We , uh  I  with a  I looked  with a student I looked at the entire database that we have on Heidelberg for cases of metonymy.

And polysemy , and stuff like that. Yeah.


Right. So that 's  that 's  that 's a  that 's a reasonable point , that it  in this domain you 're gonna get less metaphor and more metonymy.

We , uh  I  with a  I looked  with a student I looked at the entire database that we have on Heidelberg for cases of metonymy.

And polysemy , and stuff like that. Yeah.

Hardly anything. So not even in descriptions w did we find anything , um , relevant.


We , uh  I  with a  I looked  with a student I looked at the entire database that we have on Heidelberg for cases of metonymy.

And polysemy , and stuff like that. Yeah.

Hardly anything. So not even in descriptions w did we find anything , um , relevant.


And polysemy , and stuff like that. Yeah.

Hardly anything. So not even in descriptions w did we find anything , um , relevant.


Hardly anything. So not even in descriptions w did we find anything , um , relevant.

But OK this is just something we 'll  we 'll see , um ,


But OK this is just something we 'll  we 'll see , um ,


But OK this is just something we 'll  we 'll see , um ,

OK , well. I guess if anybody has additional suggestions ,


OK , well. I guess if anybody has additional suggestions ,

I mean maybe the " where is something " question as a whole , you know , can be construed as , u i locational versus instructional request.


I mean maybe the " where is something " question as a whole , you know , can be construed as , u i locational versus instructional request.


Oh , I thought that was  definitely treated as an example of construal.


Oh , I thought that was  definitely treated as an example of construal.

Yeah but then you 're not on the lexical level , that 's sort of one level higher.


Yeah but then you 're not on the lexical level , that 's sort of one level higher.


Also it would be nice to get  ultimately to get a nice mental space example ,


Also it would be nice to get  ultimately to get a nice mental space example ,

so , even temporal references are  just in the spatial domain are rare.


Also it would be nice to get  ultimately to get a nice mental space example ,

so , even temporal references are  just in the spatial domain are rare.

But it 's  it 's easy to make up plausible ones.


so , even temporal references are  just in the spatial domain are rare.

But it 's  it 's easy to make up plausible ones.

When  when you 're getting information on objects.


But it 's  it 's easy to make up plausible ones.

When  when you 're getting information on objects.


When  when you 're getting information on objects.

Right , you know  you know , where r Yeah. What color was this in  in in the nain nineteenth century.


Right , you know  you know , where r Yeah. What color was this in  in in the nain nineteenth century.


Right , you know  you know , where r Yeah. What color was this in  in in the nain nineteenth century.

What was this p instead of  wh what  you know  how was this painted , what color was this painted , um , was this alleyway open.


Right , you know  you know , where r Yeah. What color was this in  in in the nain nineteenth century.

What was this p instead of  wh what  you know  how was this painted , what color was this painted , um , was this alleyway open.

Yeah , maybe we can include that also in our second , uh , data run.


What was this p instead of  wh what  you know  how was this painted , what color was this painted , um , was this alleyway open.

Yeah , maybe we can include that also in our second , uh , data run.


What was this p instead of  wh what  you know  how was this painted , what color was this painted , um , was this alleyway open.

Yeah , maybe we can include that also in our second , uh , data run.

We c we can show people pictures of objects and then have then ask the system about the objects and engage in conversation on the history and the art and the architecture and so forth.


Yeah , maybe we can include that also in our second , uh , data run.

We c we can show people pictures of objects and then have then ask the system about the objects and engage in conversation on the history and the art and the architecture and so forth.

Mm - hmm. OK. So why don't we plan to give you feedback electronically. Wish you a good trip. All success.


We c we can show people pictures of objects and then have then ask the system about the objects and engage in conversation on the history and the art and the architecture and so forth.

Mm - hmm. OK. So why don't we plan to give you feedback electronically. Wish you a good trip. All success.

For some reason when you said " feedback electronically " I thought of that  you ever see the Simpsons where they 're  like the family 's got the buzzers and they buzz each other when they don't like what the other one is saying ?


We c we can show people pictures of objects and then have then ask the system about the objects and engage in conversation on the history and the art and the architecture and so forth.

Mm - hmm. OK. So why don't we plan to give you feedback electronically. Wish you a good trip. All success.

For some reason when you said " feedback electronically " I thought of that  you ever see the Simpsons where they 're  like the family 's got the buzzers and they buzz each other when they don't like what the other one is saying ?

Yeah. That 's the  first one , I think. The very very first one.


Mm - hmm. OK. So why don't we plan to give you feedback electronically. Wish you a good trip. All success.

For some reason when you said " feedback electronically " I thought of that  you ever see the Simpsons where they 're  like the family 's got the buzzers and they buzz each other when they don't like what the other one is saying ?

Yeah. That 's the  first one , I think. The very very first one.

It was a very early one. I don't know if it 's the first one.


For some reason when you said " feedback electronically " I thought of that  you ever see the Simpsons where they 're  like the family 's got the buzzers and they buzz each other when they don't like what the other one is saying ?

Yeah. That 's the  first one , I think. The very very first one.

It was a very early one. I don't know if it 's the first one.


Yeah. That 's the  first one , I think. The very very first one.

It was a very early one. I don't know if it 's the first one.


I'm afraid   Uh thi this remote control will stay a prototype.


I'm afraid   Uh thi this remote control will stay a prototype.

'Kay , so whe where is the remote control ?


'Kay , so whe where is the remote control ?


So  let's go for our detailed design meeting.


So  let's go for our detailed design meeting.

So I will still play the role of the secretary , and we'll have um first the project presentation by our User Interface Designer , David Jordan ,


So I will still play the role of the secretary , and we'll have um first the project presentation by our User Interface Designer , David Jordan ,


So we'll have to evaluate the uh  your proposed remote control ,


So we'll have to evaluate the uh  your proposed remote control ,

and um have an idea of the price that uh this thing will cost.


So we'll have to evaluate the uh  your proposed remote control ,

and um have an idea of the price that uh this thing will cost.

And in case if we're  we all agree on the fabrica of um building of this remote control , we'll evaluate the um production.


and um have an idea of the price that uh this thing will cost.

And in case if we're  we all agree on the fabrica of um building of this remote control , we'll evaluate the um production.

So maybe I will let the  our two designers talk about so their


And in case if we're  we all agree on the fabrica of um building of this remote control , we'll evaluate the um production.

So maybe I will let the  our two designers talk about so their


So maybe I will let the  our two designers talk about so their


Effectively one slide and maybe we can discuss everything.


Effectively one slide and maybe we can discuss everything.

Yep. Okay. Okay.  So , this is our product or prototype. This is made by clay.


Yep. Okay. Okay.  So , this is our product or prototype. This is made by clay.


Yep. Okay. Okay.  So , this is our product or prototype. This is made by clay.

Yeah.  Uh the basic colour is uh yellow and red. Yellow is uh our company colour ,


Yeah.  Uh the basic colour is uh yellow and red. Yellow is uh our company colour ,

uh red it's uh is more attractive. So we used two basic colour , yellow and red. And the shape , there's two basic shape. The first is a circle and the second is a triangle s piece.


uh red it's uh is more attractive. So we used two basic colour , yellow and red. And the shape , there's two basic shape. The first is a circle and the second is a triangle s piece.


uh red it's uh is more attractive. So we used two basic colour , yellow and red. And the shape , there's two basic shape. The first is a circle and the second is a triangle s piece.

It's looks like some mushroom , so we call it mushroom design.


It's looks like some mushroom , so we call it mushroom design.


It's looks like some mushroom , so we call it mushroom design.

So this is a introduction of our product.


It's looks like some mushroom , so we call it mushroom design.

So this is a introduction of our product.

Genetically modified mushroom I will say , but


So this is a introduction of our product.

Genetically modified mushroom I will say , but


Genetically modified mushroom I will say , but


yeah , so next slide. So there are several key features of our pr prototype. The first is that it is fuzzy. I'm sure this would be the unique design the market.


Yeah , so it's a fuzzy design , and a unique design.


Yeah , so it's a fuzzy design , and a unique design.

Um , and uh the second key feature is that uh s circle channel um selection. In the traditional key uh traditional controller use button to to select the channel but now we have a s circle , so we can turn this ball to t to select channel.


Um , and uh the second key feature is that uh s circle channel um selection. In the traditional key uh traditional controller use button to to select the channel but now we have a s circle , so we can turn this ball to t to select channel.

So it's quite convenient for user to use it.


Um , and uh the second key feature is that uh s circle channel um selection. In the traditional key uh traditional controller use button to to select the channel but now we have a s circle , so we can turn this ball to t to select channel.

So it's quite convenient for user to use it.

Yeah , okay , but don't touch  don't destroy your prototype.


So it's quite convenient for user to use it.

Yeah , okay , but don't touch  don't destroy your prototype.


So it's quite convenient for user to use it.

Yeah , okay , but don't touch  don't destroy your prototype.

okay. Uh the third feature is a stable triangle base. Uh this sta uh this triangle base is very stable , so uh so it's it's um it's unlikely you cannot found it. So it's v Um , you can put it in the table so you can turn the the ball to cha to select the channel and there's some cute button. You c can can you can see the the shape of the buttons n is a mushroom , so


Yeah , okay , but don't touch  don't destroy your prototype.

okay. Uh the third feature is a stable triangle base. Uh this sta uh this triangle base is very stable , so uh so it's it's um it's unlikely you cannot found it. So it's v Um , you can put it in the table so you can turn the the ball to cha to select the channel and there's some cute button. You c can can you can see the the shape of the buttons n is a mushroom , so

Everything's mushroom. So we can call our remote control the mushroom.


okay. Uh the third feature is a stable triangle base. Uh this sta uh this triangle base is very stable , so uh so it's it's um it's unlikely you cannot found it. So it's v Um , you can put it in the table so you can turn the the ball to cha to select the channel and there's some cute button. You c can can you can see the the shape of the buttons n is a mushroom , so

Everything's mushroom. So we can call our remote control the mushroom.


okay. Uh the third feature is a stable triangle base. Uh this sta uh this triangle base is very stable , so uh so it's it's um it's unlikely you cannot found it. So it's v Um , you can put it in the table so you can turn the the ball to cha to select the channel and there's some cute button. You c can can you can see the the shape of the buttons n is a mushroom , so

Everything's mushroom. So we can call our remote control the mushroom.

Yeah , everything's mushroom. Mush Mushroom design , yeah.


Everything's mushroom. So we can call our remote control the mushroom.

Yeah , everything's mushroom. Mush Mushroom design , yeah.

Yeah but it's not like really mushroom because you have uh you know uh  like lemon shape , you know , centre  is yellow and t d


Yeah , everything's mushroom. Mush Mushroom design , yeah.

Yeah but it's not like really mushroom because you have uh you know uh  like lemon shape , you know , centre  is yellow and t d


Yeah but it's not like really mushroom because you have uh you know uh  like lemon shape , you know , centre  is yellow and t d

Yeah , th that's why if you put it in the table , be careful , somebody will eat it.


Yeah , th that's why if you put it in the table , be careful , somebody will eat it.


Yeah , th that's why if you put it in the table , be careful , somebody will eat it.

I don't think   I hope nobody will eat it  You know , to integrate the fruit aspect , you know the  the  in


I don't think   I hope nobody will eat it  You know , to integrate the fruit aspect , you know the  the  in


I don't think   I hope nobody will eat it  You know , to integrate the fruit aspect , you know the  the  in

Yeah , because mushroom was not in the trends. I mean there was fruits  yeah.  Yeah.


Yeah , because mushroom was not in the trends. I mean there was fruits  yeah.  Yeah.


We can  it's a veg a kind of vegetable ,


We can  it's a veg a kind of vegetable ,

but you know we we integrated them with different colour.


but you know we we integrated them with different colour.

But anyway this is not a mushroom anyway , so it's fine.


But anyway this is not a mushroom anyway , so it's fine.

I think we take into account what you said about fruit and vegetable  you know. This , you know , very enlighted colours , you know.


But anyway this is not a mushroom anyway , so it's fine.

I think we take into account what you said about fruit and vegetable  you know. This , you know , very enlighted colours , you know.

No , I mean , yeah  yeah. Inspira inspiration is


I think we take into account what you said about fruit and vegetable  you know. This , you know , very enlighted colours , you know.

No , I mean , yeah  yeah. Inspira inspiration is


I think we take into account what you said about fruit and vegetable  you know. This , you know , very enlighted colours , you know.

No , I mean , yeah  yeah. Inspira inspiration is

and  and very sophisticated material , so.


No , I mean , yeah  yeah. Inspira inspiration is

and  and very sophisticated material , so.


and  and very sophisticated material , so.


So what we w what I can add is that , you know  he talk about what is outside , so what is inside is what we dis what we talked before about , you know , the chip ,


You know wi  the low level chips inside and you know the L_C_D_ button and the i


In fact this this this this is a kind of you know revolutionary solar receptor that we can put outside and


In fact this this this this is a kind of you know revolutionary solar receptor that we can put outside and

Oh. Do you think it won't be  It won't cris increase the price ?


Oh. Do you think it won't be  It won't cris increase the price ?


so , mister money , what's your opinion according to this remote control ?


so , mister money , what's your opinion according to this remote control ?

I mean , we gonna try to measure how good it is instead of just talking about  uh


so , mister money , what's your opinion according to this remote control ?

I mean , we gonna try to measure how good it is instead of just talking about  uh

we had three keys   key points to uh for this remote control design ,


I mean , we gonna try to measure how good it is instead of just talking about  uh

we had three keys   key points to uh for this remote control design ,


we had three keys   key points to uh for this remote control design ,


So w we'll try to judge this feature uh with a one to seven scale , one being uh no , I think.


So w we'll try to judge this feature uh with a one to seven scale , one being uh no , I think.

So , four point  three point five , it means it's acceptable.


So w we'll try to judge this feature uh with a one to seven scale , one being uh no , I think.

So , four point  three point five , it means it's acceptable.

One one being true , and seven being false. Okay.


So , four point  three point five , it means it's acceptable.

One one being true , and seven being false. Okay.


One one being true , and seven being false. Okay.


Do we have a fancy look and feel , according to you ?


Yeah , the shape is unique , and the colour


Yeah , the shape is unique , and the colour

Uh I'll agree it's unique , but is it really


Yeah , the shape is unique , and the colour

Uh I'll agree it's unique , but is it really

So it depend on how d do you define fancy.


Uh I'll agree it's unique , but is it really

So it depend on how d do you define fancy.

Yeah I mean , fancy was was defined by s fruit and vegetable look.


So it depend on how d do you define fancy.

Yeah I mean , fancy was was defined by s fruit and vegetable look.

But it's  you have the lemon aspect of this th this  this thing.


Yeah I mean , fancy was was defined by s fruit and vegetable look.

But it's  you have the lemon aspect of this th this  this thing.

Maybe if you change  if you take the buttons out , and maybe do things like that


But it's  you have the lemon aspect of this th this  this thing.

Maybe if you change  if you take the buttons out , and maybe do things like that


Maybe if you change  if you take the buttons out , and maybe do things like that


Maybe if you change  if you take the buttons out , and maybe do things like that

I it's it's i this shape is a lemon like , so


I it's it's i this shape is a lemon like , so


I dunno , maybe improving the texture of like having it less smooth or


Looks like more fruit. Maybe a pineapple ?


Looks like more fruit. Maybe a pineapple ?

Yeah , but you don't have any button now.


Yeah , but you don't have any button now.

And you know , you have the finger here , with the buttons ?


And you know , you have the finger here , with the buttons ?


Uh , for turn turn the ball. If you want to turn the ball , it's very it's very convenient for you to to to turn the ball to change the channel.


Uh. Ah , it's embedded , your microphone.


Uh. Ah , it's embedded , your microphone.

Th this th th there's two two functions.


Uh. Ah , it's embedded , your microphone.

Th this th th there's two two functions.

Yeah , that's  Wait th that's the second point.


Th this th th there's two two functions.

Yeah , that's  Wait th that's the second point.


Th this th th there's two two functions.

Yeah , that's  Wait th that's the second point.

First one is we have to judge the fancy look and feel.


Yeah , that's  Wait th that's the second point.

First one is we have to judge the fancy look and feel.


First one is we have to judge the fancy look and feel.


but I would say there is more  too much red.


It looks like a pineapple with cherry on top.


Three , it's okay. Three , three. Three is fine for me.


The other criterion is is it technologically uh technologically in innovative.


The other criterion is is it technologically uh technologically in innovative.

Feasible ?  You said previously that you  there's um microphone inside an


Feasible ?  You said previously that you  there's um microphone inside an

Yeah , this is microphone array , in fact.


Yeah , this is microphone array , in fact.


So they they they they  there's a microphone array.


So they they they they  there's a microphone array.

and you have the  there's the technology inside that recognise simple vocal comments ?


So they they they they  there's a microphone array.

and you have the  there's the technology inside that recognise simple vocal comments ?

And you can turn it so maybe it's techno technologically innov innovative ?


and you have the  there's the technology inside that recognise simple vocal comments ?

And you can turn it so maybe it's techno technologically innov innovative ?


And you can turn it so maybe it's techno technologically innov innovative ?


And you can turn it so maybe it's techno technologically innov innovative ?

Yeah , so you can capture s voice from different directions. Yeah.


Yeah , so you can capture s voice from different directions. Yeah.

And I think you  you've never seen a rou a round remote control , so it is  I


Yeah , so you can capture s voice from different directions. Yeah.

And I think you  you've never seen a rou a round remote control , so it is  I

Yeah bu but when you say technologically it's more uh I dunno , in the core , or single.


And I think you  you've never seen a rou a round remote control , so it is  I

Yeah bu but when you say technologically it's more uh I dunno , in the core , or single.


Yeah bu but when you say technologically it's more uh I dunno , in the core , or single.


I see , you have microphone array embedded. You have


Yeah , th that's another really good point. Maybe  okay.


Yeah , th that's another really good point. Maybe  okay.

I think technically it's acceptable , so


I think technically it's acceptable , so


L last one w I would like to judge is is it easy to use ?


L last one w I would like to judge is is it easy to use ?

Eh , for th the vocal command yes , it's might be easy. But it's just speaking.


Eh , for th the vocal command yes , it's might be easy. But it's just speaking.


Yeah but this this turning  can you can you just re explain me the


Yeah. Yeah but how how intuitive is it to turn things to change channels ?


and you can turn like that to change the channel ?


and you can turn like that to change the channel ?

I think it's quite easy to so s zapping , but maybe it will be too fast.


I think it's quite easy to so s zapping , but maybe it will be too fast.

Yeah I'm I'm no I'm not definitely convinced it's it's the best way to  if you wanna jump from , I dunno , one to twenty ?


I think it's quite easy to so s zapping , but maybe it will be too fast.

Yeah I'm I'm no I'm not definitely convinced it's it's the best way to  if you wanna jump from , I dunno , one to twenty ?

Oh yeah , that's difficult. That's dif that's difficult.


Yeah I'm I'm no I'm not definitely convinced it's it's the best way to  if you wanna jump from , I dunno , one to twenty ?

Oh yeah , that's difficult. That's dif that's difficult.

How can you go directly to twenty , for example ?


Oh yeah , that's difficult. That's dif that's difficult.

How can you go directly to twenty , for example ?


How can you go directly to twenty , for example ?


I if if this is a channel one. So it c it could be channel two , channel three , channel four , channel five.


I if if this is a channel one. So it c it could be channel two , channel three , channel four , channel five.

Yeah , you have a  , like that , and so on.


Yeah , you have a  , like that , and so on.


Yeah , you have a  , like that , and so on.

Yeah ju just imagine you have fifty fifty channels uh


Yeah ju just imagine you have fifty fifty channels uh


Yeah ju just imagine you have fifty fifty channels uh

Y uh fifth channel divided by the num by the  by three hundred thirteen degree.


Y uh fifth channel divided by the num by the  by three hundred thirteen degree.


Y uh fifth channel divided by the num by the  by three hundred thirteen degree.

Yeah but y but you have to go through all the channels if you want to go


Yeah but y but you have to go through all the channels if you want to go

I think you can if you have a scale , so


Yeah but y but you have to go through all the channels if you want to go

I think you can if you have a scale , so

No no , you don't have to y no it's uh when you when you stop t uh when you stop , the the turn ,


I think you can if you have a scale , so

No no , you don't have to y no it's uh when you when you stop t uh when you stop , the the turn ,

then the angle you stop is the angle you  is the channel you


No no , you don't have to y no it's uh when you when you stop t uh when you stop , the the turn ,

then the angle you stop is the angle you  is the channel you

Yeah. How d how do you know this angle is th is the correct one ?


then the angle you stop is the angle you  is the channel you

Yeah. How d how do you know this angle is th is the correct one ?

It's it's very easy , because you kn you know how many channel are there in the


then the angle you stop is the angle you  is the channel you

Yeah. How d how do you know this angle is th is the correct one ?

It's it's very easy , because you kn you know how many channel are there in the

So you you count  one degree , two degrees , no.


Yeah. How d how do you know this angle is th is the correct one ?

It's it's very easy , because you kn you know how many channel are there in the

So you you count  one degree , two degrees , no.


It's it's very easy , because you kn you know how many channel are there in the

So you you count  one degree , two degrees , no.


So you you count  one degree , two degrees , no.


I think so  I think so you can do it.  I think so , you can just change.


I think so  I think so you can do it.  I think so , you can just change.

I think b but the the vocal command is easy too. You can say fifty and fifty it's okay , so


I think so  I think so you can do it.  I think so , you can just change.

I think b but the the vocal command is easy too. You can say fifty and fifty it's okay , so

Yeah voc vocal command is okay. But w we've said previously that maybe it's not going to be th l the main


I think b but the the vocal command is easy too. You can say fifty and fifty it's okay , so

Yeah voc vocal command is okay. But w we've said previously that maybe it's not going to be th l the main

Yeah , but when you're zapping you're changing from one channel to the other , so you're passing through all the channels. So , when you say I want to go to the channel number twenty that's  you've decided to go to channel twenty , so you can say channel twenty , or channel four , because you really want to go on this channel.


Yeah voc vocal command is okay. But w we've said previously that maybe it's not going to be th l the main

Yeah , but when you're zapping you're changing from one channel to the other , so you're passing through all the channels. So , when you say I want to go to the channel number twenty that's  you've decided to go to channel twenty , so you can say channel twenty , or channel four , because you really want to go on this channel.


Yeah , but when you're zapping you're changing from one channel to the other , so you're passing through all the channels. So , when you say I want to go to the channel number twenty that's  you've decided to go to channel twenty , so you can say channel twenty , or channel four , because you really want to go on this channel.

But if you really want to to do zapping you you don't really know what you want to do , you can turn it.


Yeah , but when you're zapping you're changing from one channel to the other , so you're passing through all the channels. So , when you say I want to go to the channel number twenty that's  you've decided to go to channel twenty , so you can say channel twenty , or channel four , because you really want to go on this channel.

But if you really want to to do zapping you you don't really know what you want to do , you can turn it.

And this would be more for browsing , ah.


But if you really want to to do zapping you you don't really know what you want to do , you can turn it.

And this would be more for browsing , ah.


But if you really want to to do zapping you you don't really know what you want to do , you can turn it.

And this would be more for browsing , ah.

Just go through all the channels and maybe stop if there is something interesting ?


And this would be more for browsing , ah.

Just go through all the channels and maybe stop if there is something interesting ?


Just go through all the channels and maybe stop if there is something interesting ?


You ca you can turn this. Or you ca you can you can also turn this.


You ca you can turn this. Or you ca you can you can also turn this.

It is a turn off t turn off button , maybe.


You ca you can turn this. Or you ca you can you can also turn this.

It is a turn off t turn off button , maybe.

For this you can tune it's for tune. You you if you want to skip from channel one to channel two , you you skip this. If you want to from uh skip from channel one to channel ten you tune this.


It is a turn off t turn off button , maybe.

For this you can tune it's for tune. You you if you want to skip from channel one to channel two , you you skip this. If you want to from uh skip from channel one to channel ten you tune this.


For this you can tune it's for tune. You you if you want to skip from channel one to channel two , you you skip this. If you want to from uh skip from channel one to channel ten you tune this.


Yeah is is  this is , from one channel to maybe to ten channel.


Yeah is is  this is , from one channel to maybe to ten channel.

S But I di I didn't see where the t f the turn off t turn on turn off button so much activates


S But I di I didn't see where the t f the turn off t turn on turn off button so much activates


Yeah , but it has to be on to recognise fas


Yeah , but it has to be on to recognise fas

Most of the time you have the  yeah it's a sleeping remote control.


Yeah , but it has to be on to recognise fas

Most of the time you have the  yeah it's a sleeping remote control.

Ah , that's not the ecological part , yeah.


Most of the time you have the  yeah it's a sleeping remote control.

Ah , that's not the ecological part , yeah.

That's true. W that why we have the solar ti yeah.


Ah , that's not the ecological part , yeah.

That's true. W that why we have the solar ti yeah.


That's true. W that why we have the solar ti yeah.


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Three f three for me , it's o it's okay.


Three f three for me , it's o it's okay.

Four or three. Maybe you can vote to see how many everybody gives and  no and just take the mean.


Four or three. Maybe you can vote to see how many everybody gives and  no and just take the mean.


Four or three. Maybe you can vote to see how many everybody gives and  no and just take the mean.

Uh we wouldn't say , I mean , those are sort of agreed but this one would be more five to me.


Uh we wouldn't say , I mean , those are sort of agreed but this one would be more five to me.


Uh we wouldn't say , I mean , those are sort of agreed but this one would be more five to me.

Uh w w what do y what uh  you compare with traditional uh um tr traditional controller ?


Uh w w what do y what uh  you compare with traditional uh um tr traditional controller ?

I think it's easier than traditional controller. If you use traditional controller you have to put a button , but now you don't have to put button , you have  you just turn the turn the ball.


I think it's easier than traditional controller. If you use traditional controller you have to put a button , but now you don't have to put button , you have  you just turn the turn the ball.


the smaller the the the  so you can c you can c you can control the scale.


the smaller the the the  so you can c you can c you can control the scale.

But in the traditional controller , how do  how can you control the scale ?


the smaller the the the  so you can c you can c you can control the scale.

But in the traditional controller , how do  how can you control the scale ?

Uh by pushing zero after after the first one.


But in the traditional controller , how do  how can you control the scale ?

Uh by pushing zero after after the first one.

You just push two button , zero and and one.


Uh by pushing zero after after the first one.

You just push two button , zero and and one.


You just push two button , zero and and one.

yeah , yeah , y you you can do it , but you can also do it in the b if you you do not wa if you do not want to browsing all the channel you can just p there's also a button here.


yeah , yeah , y you you can do it , but you can also do it in the b if you you do not wa if you do not want to browsing all the channel you can just p there's also a button here.


yeah , yeah , y you you can do it , but you can also do it in the b if you you do not wa if you do not want to browsing all the channel you can just p there's also a button here.

Yeah , this function is just for your browsing , from one channel to th the next one , the next s sn s , the th the third one.


Yeah , this function is just for your browsing , from one channel to th the next one , the next s sn s , the th the third one.


Yeah , this function is just for your browsing , from one channel to th the next one , the next s sn s , the th the third one.

Previously you said that turning this was the fine


Previously you said that turning this was the fine


Y one to ten , ten to twelve , uh ten to t uh twenty. Ten to twenty and this one , t one two three four five six , like this.


Y one to ten , ten to twelve , uh ten to t uh twenty. Ten to twenty and this one , t one two three four five six , like this.

Uh there's different scale , so you can you can choose how much do you want to sc


Y one to ten , ten to twelve , uh ten to t uh twenty. Ten to twenty and this one , t one two three four five six , like this.

Uh there's different scale , so you can you can choose how much do you want to sc

Okay. But this this has to stay on the table , right ?


Uh there's different scale , so you can you can choose how much do you want to sc

Okay. But this this has to stay on the table , right ?


Okay. But this this has to stay on the table , right ?


Yeah , no no , no. You can't put it out.


Yeah , no no , no. You can't put it out.

It's just your turning from the base. You need to have everything in hand. If you want to turn , you can't use it and turn.


It's just your turning from the base. You need to have everything in hand. If you want to turn , you can't use it and turn.


Yeah. You know tha that's the weak point ,


Yeah. You know tha that's the weak point ,

because with a traditional one you just have one hand.


Yeah. You know tha that's the weak point ,

because with a traditional one you just have one hand.

Yeah , but nobody would be able to take it in the pocket and bring it in the kitchen and say I've lost the remote control.


because with a traditional one you just have one hand.

Yeah , but nobody would be able to take it in the pocket and bring it in the kitchen and say I've lost the remote control.


because with a traditional one you just have one hand.

Yeah , but nobody would be able to take it in the pocket and bring it in the kitchen and say I've lost the remote control.

So th this is a d next generation controller.  Yeah.


Yeah , but nobody would be able to take it in the pocket and bring it in the kitchen and say I've lost the remote control.

So th this is a d next generation controller.  Yeah.


So th this is a d next generation controller.  Yeah.

Sure.  Yeah , you would never you would never lose this one , yeah.


Sure.  Yeah , you would never you would never lose this one , yeah.


You can you can erase with this er yeah.


Yeah , four it's more reasonable , so. So it's nine ,


It need maybe some wo further work , but it's


But I d m I think that it will be good to do some more work to transform this into a pineapple.


But I d m I think that it will be good to do some more work to transform this into a pineapple.

If you re we really want to have a fruitful remote control.


If you re we really want to have a fruitful remote control.


Is recorded ? Okay ? Okay so welcome everyone. So we are here for the kickoff meeting of uh the process of designing a new remote control. So I will first start with a warm welcome opening  stuff ,


Is recorded ? Okay ? Okay so welcome everyone. So we are here for the kickoff meeting of uh the process of designing a new remote control. So I will first start with a warm welcome opening  stuff ,

then uh we will uh see what will be uh our product and what will be the different step we will have to design it. And uh then we will uh discuss if we have few ideas and we will uh end uh by uh dispatching the different task you will be  you will have to fulfil to complete this process. So


Is recorded ? Okay ? Okay so welcome everyone. So we are here for the kickoff meeting of uh the process of designing a new remote control. So I will first start with a warm welcome opening  stuff ,

then uh we will uh see what will be uh our product and what will be the different step we will have to design it. And uh then we will uh discuss if we have few ideas and we will uh end uh by uh dispatching the different task you will be  you will have to fulfil to complete this process. So

Uh. Just one thing. Uh , you said twenty-five minutes , but I have something else to do uh , so gotta have another meeting uh soon ,


then uh we will uh see what will be uh our product and what will be the different step we will have to design it. And uh then we will uh discuss if we have few ideas and we will uh end uh by uh dispatching the different task you will be  you will have to fulfil to complete this process. So

Uh. Just one thing. Uh , you said twenty-five minutes , but I have something else to do uh , so gotta have another meeting uh soon ,


Uh. Just one thing. Uh , you said twenty-five minutes , but I have something else to do uh , so gotta have another meeting uh soon ,

It's true. I have another meeting so if you could uh


It's true. I have another meeting so if you could uh


So the the goal is to have a remote control so to have an advantage over our competitors we have to be original , we have to be trendy and we have to also try to be user-friendly.


So the the goal is to have a remote control so to have an advantage over our competitors we have to be original , we have to be trendy and we have to also try to be user-friendly.

So uh the design step will be divided in three uh main points. First it will be the functional design. Third is the conceptual design and then is the desired design. So the functional design is to identify the main user needs , the technical function the remote control should fulfil. And then we will move to f conceptual design where we'll specify the different component involved , what kind of user interf interface we want and what are the different uh trend in user interface and stuff like that.


So the the goal is to have a remote control so to have an advantage over our competitors we have to be original , we have to be trendy and we have to also try to be user-friendly.

So uh the design step will be divided in three uh main points. First it will be the functional design. Third is the conceptual design and then is the desired design. So the functional design is to identify the main user needs , the technical function the remote control should fulfil. And then we will move to f conceptual design where we'll specify the different component involved , what kind of user interf interface we want and what are the different uh trend in user interface and stuff like that.

And then the desired devi design will consist in uh specifically implementing  and detailing the choice we've uh made in the second point. So I will now ask you which is very important for the design of a new remote control for to uh each of us to to draw uh your favourite animal on the white board.


So uh the design step will be divided in three uh main points. First it will be the functional design. Third is the conceptual design and then is the desired design. So the functional design is to identify the main user needs , the technical function the remote control should fulfil. And then we will move to f conceptual design where we'll specify the different component involved , what kind of user interf interface we want and what are the different uh trend in user interface and stuff like that.

And then the desired devi design will consist in uh specifically implementing  and detailing the choice we've uh made in the second point. So I will now ask you which is very important for the design of a new remote control for to uh each of us to to draw uh your favourite animal on the white board.

Do you have any idea of which animal you want to show us ?


And then the desired devi design will consist in uh specifically implementing  and detailing the choice we've uh made in the second point. So I will now ask you which is very important for the design of a new remote control for to uh each of us to to draw uh your favourite animal on the white board.

Do you have any idea of which animal you want to show us ?


Do you have any idea of which animal you want to show us ?


no ? But I don't have to say anything. When I'm drawing the orangutan.


no ? But I don't have to say anything. When I'm drawing the orangutan.

If you want to react uh about this wonderful drawing uh  I'll let you uh comment.


no ? But I don't have to say anything. When I'm drawing the orangutan.

If you want to react uh about this wonderful drawing uh  I'll let you uh comment.

It's an abstract drawing of an orangutan.


If you want to react uh about this wonderful drawing uh  I'll let you uh comment.

It's an abstract drawing of an orangutan.


It's an abstract drawing of an orangutan.


I don't have a red colour. Usually orangutans have red hair so this is a very important but I don't have red pen , so


Okay uh sorry. You have to imagine a little bit  um.


Okay uh sorry. You have to imagine a little bit  um.

Of course your animal is recorded so it's not lost.


Of course your animal is recorded so it's not lost.


And you   I think I'm too short for the cables.


And you   I think I'm too short for the cables.

Okay I go , but next time you'll do something I'm sure.   I'm a bit short on cable.


And you   I think I'm too short for the cables.

Okay I go , but next time you'll do something I'm sure.   I'm a bit short on cable.

Okay. So what could I draw ?  Maybe I can draw like a very simplified cow.  I don't know if it looks like a cow


Okay I go , but next time you'll do something I'm sure.   I'm a bit short on cable.

Okay. So what could I draw ?  Maybe I can draw like a very simplified cow.  I don't know if it looks like a cow


Okay. So what could I draw ?  Maybe I can draw like a very simplified cow.  I don't know if it looks like a cow


I dunno it it looks more like a donkey in fact  I would say.


I dunno it it looks more like a donkey in fact  I would say.

Okay so I hope that it helps you uh in the process of designing a remote control.


Okay so I hope that it helps you uh in the process of designing a remote control.

Is it for uh for putting a  for logos , no.


Is it for uh for putting a  for logos , no.

Let's move on. So  Here the uh financial objective of our project. That is to say to to have a production cost lower than twelve point five Euros and have a selling price of twice that price t in order to target a profe profit of uh fifty uh million Euros.


Let's move on. So  Here the uh financial objective of our project. That is to say to to have a production cost lower than twelve point five Euros and have a selling price of twice that price t in order to target a profe profit of uh fifty uh million Euros.

I is there a matter for a new remote control ?


Let's move on. So  Here the uh financial objective of our project. That is to say to to have a production cost lower than twelve point five Euros and have a selling price of twice that price t in order to target a profe profit of uh fifty uh million Euros.

I is there a matter for a new remote control ?

Yeah if it's trendy , original I d fulfil the user needs.


Let's move on. So  Here the uh financial objective of our project. That is to say to to have a production cost lower than twelve point five Euros and have a selling price of twice that price t in order to target a profe profit of uh fifty uh million Euros.

I is there a matter for a new remote control ?

Yeah if it's trendy , original I d fulfil the user needs.

Is it uh a single device remote control or is it a multi-device remote control ?


I is there a matter for a new remote control ?

Yeah if it's trendy , original I d fulfil the user needs.

Is it uh a single device remote control or is it a multi-device remote control ?


Yeah if it's trendy , original I d fulfil the user needs.

Is it uh a single device remote control or is it a multi-device remote control ?


Is it uh a single device remote control or is it a multi-device remote control ?


yeah you you can suggest points like this. So what what


yeah you you can suggest points like this. So what what

so we have to decide for example if it can control one device or multiple. So what's  what are your ideas about that ?


yeah you you can suggest points like this. So what what

so we have to decide for example if it can control one device or multiple. So what's  what are your ideas about that ?

Maybe I can have the  your opinion from the marketing side ?


so we have to decide for example if it can control one device or multiple. So what's  what are your ideas about that ?

Maybe I can have the  your opinion from the marketing side ?

Well uh do we sell other stuff ? Uh if if we bundle the remote control with something uh to sell then it could be a single device , otherwise it could be programmable one otherwise who would buy a remote control from us.


so we have to decide for example if it can control one device or multiple. So what's  what are your ideas about that ?

Maybe I can have the  your opinion from the marketing side ?

Well uh do we sell other stuff ? Uh if if we bundle the remote control with something uh to sell then it could be a single device , otherwise it could be programmable one otherwise who would buy a remote control from us.

Okay , so if it selled uh by its own i it it would rather be for multiple device.


Maybe I can have the  your opinion from the marketing side ?

Well uh do we sell other stuff ? Uh if if we bundle the remote control with something uh to sell then it could be a single device , otherwise it could be programmable one otherwise who would buy a remote control from us.

Okay , so if it selled uh by its own i it it would rather be for multiple device.


Well uh do we sell other stuff ? Uh if if we bundle the remote control with something uh to sell then it could be a single device , otherwise it could be programmable one otherwise who would buy a remote control from us.

Okay , so if it selled uh by its own i it it would rather be for multiple device.


Okay , so if it selled uh by its own i it it would rather be for multiple device.


Yeah. So maybe it should be for multiple devices. And uh do you have any ideas um of uh design ideas or any uh uh technical requirement we we should uh fulfil ?


Yeah. So maybe it should be for multiple devices. And uh do you have any ideas um of uh design ideas or any uh uh technical requirement we we should uh fulfil ?

I think we shouldn't have too many b for my part. I think


Yeah. So maybe it should be for multiple devices. And uh do you have any ideas um of uh design ideas or any uh uh technical requirement we we should uh fulfil ?

I think we shouldn't have too many b for my part. I think

No , I couldn I cannot fi think of any requirements right now.


Yeah. So maybe it should be for multiple devices. And uh do you have any ideas um of uh design ideas or any uh uh technical requirement we we should uh fulfil ?

I think we shouldn't have too many b for my part. I think

No , I couldn I cannot fi think of any requirements right now.

If we don't have so many buttons could be nice.


I think we shouldn't have too many b for my part. I think

No , I couldn I cannot fi think of any requirements right now.

If we don't have so many buttons could be nice.


No , I couldn I cannot fi think of any requirements right now.

If we don't have so many buttons could be nice.

And do you have it also to be  to be lighted in order to be used in the dark ? Might be a good idea.


If we don't have so many buttons could be nice.

And do you have it also to be  to be lighted in order to be used in the dark ? Might be a good idea.


And do you have it also to be  to be lighted in order to be used in the dark ? Might be a good idea.

Okay. And do you have any um any uh idea of the trend  the trend in domain , what it shouldn't  it should look like , or things like that ?


And do you have it also to be  to be lighted in order to be used in the dark ? Might be a good idea.

Okay. And do you have any um any uh idea of the trend  the trend in domain , what it shouldn't  it should look like , or things like that ?

Something which is not squarey maybe uh , not a box.


Okay. And do you have any um any uh idea of the trend  the trend in domain , what it shouldn't  it should look like , or things like that ?

Something which is not squarey maybe uh , not a box.


Something which is not squarey maybe uh , not a box.

Something like that , least fits in your hand.


Something like that , least fits in your hand.


And also it have , i it may be  it may be important for the remote control to be uh  To , to resist to various shocks that can happen if it fall.


Maybe it is original because you can uh use it in your uh  in your bath whereas the others can't.


Maybe it is original because you can uh use it in your uh  in your bath whereas the others can't.

Maybe water-proof would be very original.


Maybe it is original because you can uh use it in your uh  in your bath whereas the others can't.

Maybe water-proof would be very original.

Havin having a water-proof remote control so that the people can uh use it in their bath.


Maybe water-proof would be very original.

Havin having a water-proof remote control so that the people can uh use it in their bath.


Havin having a water-proof remote control so that the people can uh use it in their bath.


Havin having a water-proof remote control so that the people can uh use it in their bath.

B it seems uh so , but uh if you don't have an waterproof remote control it means you can just cover it with some plastic and you can sort of f


B it seems uh so , but uh if you don't have an waterproof remote control it means you can just cover it with some plastic and you can sort of f

Yeah but , it is still something uh you have to buy and that is um not maybe very


B it seems uh so , but uh if you don't have an waterproof remote control it means you can just cover it with some plastic and you can sort of f

Yeah but , it is still something uh you have to buy and that is um not maybe very

And , and that's one of the  that's one of the shock  I mean there are people that have a remote control and they are worried that it's going to break and they put some extra plastic around it.


Yeah but , it is still something uh you have to buy and that is um not maybe very

And , and that's one of the  that's one of the shock  I mean there are people that have a remote control and they are worried that it's going to break and they put some extra plastic around it.

That's people  they actually do it themselves.


And , and that's one of the  that's one of the shock  I mean there are people that have a remote control and they are worried that it's going to break and they put some extra plastic around it.

That's people  they actually do it themselves.

But maybe we can bulk it with uh already this plastic thing and uh the waterproof uh stuff as well.


That's people  they actually do it themselves.

But maybe we can bulk it with uh already this plastic thing and uh the waterproof uh stuff as well.


But maybe we can bulk it with uh already this plastic thing and uh the waterproof uh stuff as well.

Yeah. Maybe we can sell uh all that together , so so plastic protection and uh and a waterproof box as well.


Yeah. Maybe we can sell uh all that together , so so plastic protection and uh and a waterproof box as well.


And I I think we should have something , most of the time I I lose my remote control.


And I I think we should have something , most of the time I I lose my remote control.

We should have s uh special bu button on the T_V_ to make the remote control beeping.


And I I think we should have something , most of the time I I lose my remote control.

We should have s uh special bu button on the T_V_ to make the remote control beeping.

Maybe we can have uh  But we don't design the T_V_.


We should have s uh special bu button on the T_V_ to make the remote control beeping.

Maybe we can have uh  But we don't design the T_V_.

Maybe we can have uh something you whistle and uh the remote control uh beep.


Maybe we can have uh  But we don't design the T_V_.

Maybe we can have uh something you whistle and uh the remote control uh beep.


Maybe we can have uh something you whistle and uh the remote control uh beep.


So we can uh have a whistle uh remote control ?


Whistle tracking yeah. Whistle tracking remote control. That's a good idea , that's very original and that's can uh improve.


Whistle tracking yeah. Whistle tracking remote control. That's a good idea , that's very original and that's can uh improve.

That's that's quite cool , but uh of course we  you don't normally need uh any audio uh recording stuff on your remote control right ?


Whistle tracking yeah. Whistle tracking remote control. That's a good idea , that's very original and that's can uh improve.

That's that's quite cool , but uh of course we  you don't normally need uh any audio uh recording stuff on your remote control right ?

So i it's just going to add t to the cost.


That's that's quite cool , but uh of course we  you don't normally need uh any audio uh recording stuff on your remote control right ?

So i it's just going to add t to the cost.

Yeah but s still we have to mm we have to  have an advantage over our competitors. I think this is a good advantage.


So i it's just going to add t to the cost.

Yeah but s still we have to mm we have to  have an advantage over our competitors. I think this is a good advantage.

It's cool. I think I like the idea , but I'm not sure about the what you ,


Yeah but s still we have to mm we have to  have an advantage over our competitors. I think this is a good advantage.

It's cool. I think I like the idea , but I'm not sure about the what you ,

who is giving  who's giving who's giving our budget. Who's


It's cool. I think I like the idea , but I'm not sure about the what you ,

who is giving  who's giving who's giving our budget. Who's

Yeah. We have to ask the quest of that's uh design to the uh Industrial um Designer.


who is giving  who's giving who's giving our budget. Who's

Yeah. We have to ask the quest of that's uh design to the uh Industrial um Designer.


Yeah. We have to ask the quest of that's uh design to the uh Industrial um Designer.


Okay so try to find that for next meeting.


Hmm ? Yeah Thank You. OK Well , so Ralf and Tilman are here.


Hmm ? Yeah Thank You. OK Well , so Ralf and Tilman are here.

So the  what w we h have been doing i they would like us all to read these digits. But we don't all read them but a couple people read them.


So the  what w we h have been doing i they would like us all to read these digits. But we don't all read them but a couple people read them.


So the  what w we h have been doing i they would like us all to read these digits. But we don't all read them but a couple people read them.

Uh , wanna give them all with German accents today or  ?


Uh , wanna give them all with German accents today or  ?


Uh , wanna give them all with German accents today or  ?

OK and the way you do it is you just read the numbers not as uh each single , so just like I do it.


OK and the way you do it is you just read the numbers not as uh each single , so just like I do it.


OK and the way you do it is you just read the numbers not as uh each single , so just like I do it.

OK. First you read the transcript number. Turn.


OK. First you read the transcript number. Turn.


OK. this is Ami , who  And this is Tilman and Ralf.


OK. this is Ami , who  And this is Tilman and Ralf.

Hi. OK. So we 're gonna try to finish by five so people who want to can go hear Nancy Chang 's talk , uh downstairs.


Hi. OK. So we 're gonna try to finish by five so people who want to can go hear Nancy Chang 's talk , uh downstairs.


Hi. OK. So we 're gonna try to finish by five so people who want to can go hear Nancy Chang 's talk , uh downstairs.

And you guys are g giving talks on tomorrow and Wednesday lunch times ,


And you guys are g giving talks on tomorrow and Wednesday lunch times ,


And you guys are g giving talks on tomorrow and Wednesday lunch times ,

right ? That 's great. OK so , do y do you know what we 're gonna do ?


right ? That 's great. OK so , do y do you know what we 're gonna do ?

I thought two things uh we 'll introduce ourselves and what we do. And um we already talked with Andreas , Thilo and David and some lines of code were already written today and almost tested and just gonna say we have um again the recognizer to parser thing where we 're working on and that should be no problem and then that can be sort of developed uh as needed when we get  enter the tourism domain. em we have talked this morning with the  with Tilman about the generator.


right ? That 's great. OK so , do y do you know what we 're gonna do ?

I thought two things uh we 'll introduce ourselves and what we do. And um we already talked with Andreas , Thilo and David and some lines of code were already written today and almost tested and just gonna say we have um again the recognizer to parser thing where we 're working on and that should be no problem and then that can be sort of developed uh as needed when we get  enter the tourism domain. em we have talked this morning with the  with Tilman about the generator.

and um There one of our diligent workers has to sort of volunteer to look over Tilman 's shoulder while he is changing the grammars to English


I thought two things uh we 'll introduce ourselves and what we do. And um we already talked with Andreas , Thilo and David and some lines of code were already written today and almost tested and just gonna say we have um again the recognizer to parser thing where we 're working on and that should be no problem and then that can be sort of developed uh as needed when we get  enter the tourism domain. em we have talked this morning with the  with Tilman about the generator.

and um There one of our diligent workers has to sort of volunteer to look over Tilman 's shoulder while he is changing the grammars to English

because w we have  we face two ways. Either we do a syllable concatenating um grammar for the English generation which is sort of starting from scratch and doing it the easy way , or we simply adopt the ah um more in - depth um style that is implemented in the German system and um are then able not only to produce strings but also the syntactic parse uh not parse not the syntactic tree that is underneath in the syntactic structure which is the way we decided we were gonna go because A , it 's easier in the beginning


and um There one of our diligent workers has to sort of volunteer to look over Tilman 's shoulder while he is changing the grammars to English

because w we have  we face two ways. Either we do a syllable concatenating um grammar for the English generation which is sort of starting from scratch and doing it the easy way , or we simply adopt the ah um more in - depth um style that is implemented in the German system and um are then able not only to produce strings but also the syntactic parse uh not parse not the syntactic tree that is underneath in the syntactic structure which is the way we decided we were gonna go because A , it 's easier in the beginning


because w we have  we face two ways. Either we do a syllable concatenating um grammar for the English generation which is sort of starting from scratch and doing it the easy way , or we simply adopt the ah um more in - depth um style that is implemented in the German system and um are then able not only to produce strings but also the syntactic parse uh not parse not the syntactic tree that is underneath in the syntactic structure which is the way we decided we were gonna go because A , it 's easier in the beginning

and um it does require some  some knowledge of  of those grammars and  and  and some ling linguistic background. But um it shouldn't be a problem for anyone.


because w we have  we face two ways. Either we do a syllable concatenating um grammar for the English generation which is sort of starting from scratch and doing it the easy way , or we simply adopt the ah um more in - depth um style that is implemented in the German system and um are then able not only to produce strings but also the syntactic parse uh not parse not the syntactic tree that is underneath in the syntactic structure which is the way we decided we were gonna go because A , it 's easier in the beginning

and um it does require some  some knowledge of  of those grammars and  and  and some ling linguistic background. But um it shouldn't be a problem for anyone.

OK So That sounds good. Johno , are you gonna have some time t to do that uh w with these guys ?


and um it does require some  some knowledge of  of those grammars and  and  and some ling linguistic background. But um it shouldn't be a problem for anyone.

OK So That sounds good. Johno , are you gonna have some time t to do that uh w with these guys ?


OK So That sounds good. Johno , are you gonna have some time t to do that uh w with these guys ?


doesn't it ? Yeah Good. OK. So , I think that 's probably the  the right way to do that. And an Yeah , so I  I actually wanna f to find out about it too , but I may not have time to get in.


doesn't it ? Yeah Good. OK. So , I think that 's probably the  the right way to do that. And an Yeah , so I  I actually wanna f to find out about it too , but I may not have time to get in.

the  the ultimate goal is that before they leave we  we can run through the entire system input through output on at least one or two sample things. And um and by virtue of doing that then in this case Johno will have acquired the knowledge of how to extend it. Ad infinitum. When needed , if needed , when wanted and so forth.


doesn't it ? Yeah Good. OK. So , I think that 's probably the  the right way to do that. And an Yeah , so I  I actually wanna f to find out about it too , but I may not have time to get in.

the  the ultimate goal is that before they leave we  we can run through the entire system input through output on at least one or two sample things. And um and by virtue of doing that then in this case Johno will have acquired the knowledge of how to extend it. Ad infinitum. When needed , if needed , when wanted and so forth.

And um also um Ralf has hooked up with David and you 're gonna continue either all through tonight or tomorrow on whatever to get the er parser interface working.


the  the ultimate goal is that before they leave we  we can run through the entire system input through output on at least one or two sample things. And um and by virtue of doing that then in this case Johno will have acquired the knowledge of how to extend it. Ad infinitum. When needed , if needed , when wanted and so forth.

And um also um Ralf has hooked up with David and you 're gonna continue either all through tonight or tomorrow on whatever to get the er parser interface working.


And um also um Ralf has hooked up with David and you 're gonna continue either all through tonight or tomorrow on whatever to get the er parser interface working.

They are thinning out and thickening out lattices and doing this kind of stuff to see what works best.


They are thinning out and thickening out lattices and doing this kind of stuff to see what works best.

Great. So , you guys enjoy your weekend ?


Great. So , you guys enjoy your weekend ?


Great. So , you guys enjoy your weekend ?

OK , before  before you got put to work ?


OK , before  before you got put to work ?


OK , before  before you got put to work ?

Great. OK , so that 's  Sort of one branch is to get us caught up on what 's going on. Also of course it would be really nice to know what the plans are , in addition to what 's sort of already in code.


Great. OK , so that 's  Sort of one branch is to get us caught up on what 's going on. Also of course it would be really nice to know what the plans are , in addition to what 's sort of already in code.

and we can d I dunno w w was there uh a time when we were set up to do that ? It probably will work better if we do it later in the week , after  we actually understand uh better what 's going on.


and we can d I dunno w w was there uh a time when we were set up to do that ? It probably will work better if we do it later in the week , after  we actually understand uh better what 's going on.


Oh , OK , so  OK , So  so anyt we 'll find a time later in the week to uh get together and talk about  your understanding of what SmartKom plans are.


Should we already set a date for that ? Might be beneficial while we 're all here.


Should we already set a date for that ? Might be beneficial while we 're all here.

OK ? um What  what does not work for me is Thursday afternoon. I can do earlier in the day on Thursday , or  um  most of the time on Friday , not all.


OK ? um What  what does not work for me is Thursday afternoon. I can do earlier in the day on Thursday , or  um  most of the time on Friday , not all.


um Thursday afternoon doesn't work for me , but


I was just thinking I w I will  have  leavened by eleven.


I was just thinking I w I will  have  leavened by eleven.

Right. Right. This is then out of deference to our non - morning people.


Right. Right. This is then out of deference to our non - morning people.


Yeah. And actually we can invite um Andreas as well.


Yeah. And actually we can invite um Andreas as well.

Oh that 's true. He 's off  off on his trip already.


Yeah. And actually we can invite um Andreas as well.

Oh that 's true. He 's off  off on his trip already.

but um David is here and he 's actually knows everything about the SmartKom recognizer.


Oh that 's true. He 's off  off on his trip already.

but um David is here and he 's actually knows everything about the SmartKom recognizer.

Thilo. OK well yeah maybe we 'll see if David could make it. That would be good.


Oh that 's true. He 's off  off on his trip already.

but um David is here and he 's actually knows everything about the SmartKom recognizer.

Thilo. OK well yeah maybe we 'll see if David could make it. That would be good.

OK so facing to  to what we 've sort of been doing here um well for one thing we 're also using this room to collect data.


but um David is here and he 's actually knows everything about the SmartKom recognizer.

Thilo. OK well yeah maybe we 'll see if David could make it. That would be good.

OK so facing to  to what we 've sort of been doing here um well for one thing we 're also using this room to collect data.


Thilo. OK well yeah maybe we 'll see if David could make it. That would be good.

OK so facing to  to what we 've sort of been doing here um well for one thing we 're also using this room to collect data.


OK so facing to  to what we 've sort of been doing here um well for one thing we 're also using this room to collect data.


no not meeting data but sort of  sort ah our version of a wizard experiment such not like the ones in Munich but pretty close to it.


no not meeting data but sort of  sort ah our version of a wizard experiment such not like the ones in Munich but pretty close to it.

The major difference to the Munich ones is that we do it via the telephone


The major difference to the Munich ones is that we do it via the telephone

even though all the recording is done here and so it 's a  sort of a computer call system that gives you tourist information


even though all the recording is done here and so it 's a  sort of a computer call system that gives you tourist information

tells you how to get places. And it breaks halfway through the experiment and a human operator comes on. and part of that is sort of trying to find out whether people change their linguistic verbal behavior when first thinking they speak to a machine and then to a human.


tells you how to get places. And it breaks halfway through the experiment and a human operator comes on. and part of that is sort of trying to find out whether people change their linguistic verbal behavior when first thinking they speak to a machine and then to a human.

and we 're setting it up so that we can  we hope to implant certain intentions in people. For example um we have first looked at a simple sentence that " How do I get to the Powder - Tower ? " OK so you have the  castle of Heidelberg


and we 're setting it up so that we can  we hope to implant certain intentions in people. For example um we have first looked at a simple sentence that " How do I get to the Powder - Tower ? " OK so you have the  castle of Heidelberg

and there is a tower and it 's called Powder - Tower.


and there is a tower and it 's called Powder - Tower.

and um so What will you parse out of that sentence ? Probably something that we specified in M - three - L , that is @ @  " action go to whatever domain , object whatever Powder - Tower ".


and um so What will you parse out of that sentence ? Probably something that we specified in M - three - L , that is @ @  " action go to whatever domain , object whatever Powder - Tower ".

And maybe some model will tell us , some GPS module , in the mobile scenario where the person is at the moment. And um we 've sort of gone through that once before in the Deep Mail project and we noticed that first of all what are  I should 've brought some slides , but what our  So here 's the tower. Think of this as a two - dimensional representation of the tower. And our system led people here , to a point where they were facing a wall in front of the tower. There is no entrance there , but it just happens to be the closest point of the road network to the geometric center Because that 's how the algorithm works. So we took out that part of the road network as a hack and then it found actually the way to the entrance. which was now the closest point of the road network to


And maybe some model will tell us , some GPS module , in the mobile scenario where the person is at the moment. And um we 've sort of gone through that once before in the Deep Mail project and we noticed that first of all what are  I should 've brought some slides , but what our  So here 's the tower. Think of this as a two - dimensional representation of the tower. And our system led people here , to a point where they were facing a wall in front of the tower. There is no entrance there , but it just happens to be the closest point of the road network to the geometric center Because that 's how the algorithm works. So we took out that part of the road network as a hack and then it found actually the way to the entrance. which was now the closest point of the road network to

OK , geometric center. But what we actually observed in Heidelberg is that most people when they want to go there they actually don't want to enter , because it 's not really interesting. They wanna go to a completely different point where they can look at it and take a picture.


OK , geometric center. But what we actually observed in Heidelberg is that most people when they want to go there they actually don't want to enter , because it 's not really interesting. They wanna go to a completely different point where they can look at it and take a picture.


And so what uh uh a s you s let 's say a simple parse from a s from an utterance won't really give us is what the person actually wants. Does he wanna go there to see it ? Does he wanna go there now ? Later ? How does the person wanna go there ? Is that person more likely to want to walk there ? Walk a scenic route ? and so forth. There are all kinds of decisions that we have identified in terms of getting to places and in terms of finding information about things. And we are constructing  and then we 've identified more or less the extra - linguistic parameters that may f play a role. Information related to the user and information related to the situation. And we also want to look closely on the linguistic information that what we can get from the utterance. That 's part of why we implant these intentions in the data collection to see whether people actually phrase things differently whether they want to enter in order to buy something or whether they just wanna go there to look at it. And um so the idea is to construct uh um suitable interfaces and a belief - net for a module that actually tries to guess what the underlying intention  was. And then enrich or augment the M - three - L structures with what it thought what more it sort of got out of that utterance. So if it can make a good suggestion , " Hey ! " you know , " that person doesn't wanna enter. That person just wants to take a picture , " cuz he just bought film , or " that person wants to enter because he discussed the admission fee before ". Or " that person wants to enter because he wants to buy something and that you usually do inside of buildings " and so forth. These ah these types of uh these bits of additional information are going to be embedded into the M - three - L structure in an  sort of subfield that we have reserved. And if the action planner does something with it , great. If not you know , then that 's also something um that we can't really  at least we  want to offer the extra information. We don't really  um we 're not too worried.


And so what uh uh a s you s let 's say a simple parse from a s from an utterance won't really give us is what the person actually wants. Does he wanna go there to see it ? Does he wanna go there now ? Later ? How does the person wanna go there ? Is that person more likely to want to walk there ? Walk a scenic route ? and so forth. There are all kinds of decisions that we have identified in terms of getting to places and in terms of finding information about things. And we are constructing  and then we 've identified more or less the extra - linguistic parameters that may f play a role. Information related to the user and information related to the situation. And we also want to look closely on the linguistic information that what we can get from the utterance. That 's part of why we implant these intentions in the data collection to see whether people actually phrase things differently whether they want to enter in order to buy something or whether they just wanna go there to look at it. And um so the idea is to construct uh um suitable interfaces and a belief - net for a module that actually tries to guess what the underlying intention  was. And then enrich or augment the M - three - L structures with what it thought what more it sort of got out of that utterance. So if it can make a good suggestion , " Hey ! " you know , " that person doesn't wanna enter. That person just wants to take a picture , " cuz he just bought film , or " that person wants to enter because he discussed the admission fee before ". Or " that person wants to enter because he wants to buy something and that you usually do inside of buildings " and so forth. These ah these types of uh these bits of additional information are going to be embedded into the M - three - L structure in an  sort of subfield that we have reserved. And if the action planner does something with it , great. If not you know , then that 's also something um that we can't really  at least we  want to offer the extra information. We don't really  um we 're not too worried.

I mean  t s Ultimately if you have  if you can offer that information , somebody 's gonna s do something with it sooner or later. That 's sort of part of our belief.


I mean  t s Ultimately if you have  if you can offer that information , somebody 's gonna s do something with it sooner or later. That 's sort of part of our belief.


I mean  t s Ultimately if you have  if you can offer that information , somebody 's gonna s do something with it sooner or later. That 's sort of part of our belief.

Um , for example , right now I know the GIS from email is not able to calculate these viewpoints. So that 's a functionality that doesn't exist yet to do that dynamically ,


Um , for example , right now I know the GIS from email is not able to calculate these viewpoints. So that 's a functionality that doesn't exist yet to do that dynamically ,

but if we can offer it that distinction , maybe somebody will go ahead and implement it. Surely nobody 's gonna go ahead and implement it if it 's never gonna be used , so. What have I forgotten about ? Oh yeah , how we do it ,


but if we can offer it that distinction , maybe somebody will go ahead and implement it. Surely nobody 's gonna go ahead and implement it if it 's never gonna be used , so. What have I forgotten about ? Oh yeah , how we do it ,


but if we can offer it that distinction , maybe somebody will go ahead and implement it. Surely nobody 's gonna go ahead and implement it if it 's never gonna be used , so. What have I forgotten about ? Oh yeah , how we do it ,

No no. It 's a good time to pause. I s I see  questions on peoples ' faces , so why don't


No no. It 's a good time to pause. I s I see  questions on peoples ' faces , so why don't


No no. It 's a good time to pause. I s I see  questions on peoples ' faces , so why don't

Well the obvious one would be if  if you envision this as a module within SmartKom , where exactly would that Sit ? That 's the d


Well the obvious one would be if  if you envision this as a module within SmartKom , where exactly would that Sit ? That 's the d

um  so far I 've thought of it as sort of adding it onto the modeler knowledge module.


Well the obvious one would be if  if you envision this as a module within SmartKom , where exactly would that Sit ? That 's the d

um  so far I 've thought of it as sort of adding it onto the modeler knowledge module.

So this is one that already adds additional information to the


um  so far I 've thought of it as sort of adding it onto the modeler knowledge module.

So this is one that already adds additional information to the


So this is one that already adds additional information to the


but it could sit anywhere in the attention - recognition I mean basically this is what attention - recognition literally sort of can


Well f from my understanding of what the people at Phillips were originally trying to do doesn't seem to quite fit into SmartKom currently so what they 're really doing right now is only selecting among the alternatives , the hypotheses that they 're given enriched by the domain knowledge and the um discourse modeler and so on.


Well f from my understanding of what the people at Phillips were originally trying to do doesn't seem to quite fit into SmartKom currently so what they 're really doing right now is only selecting among the alternatives , the hypotheses that they 're given enriched by the domain knowledge and the um discourse modeler and so on.

So if  if this is additional information that could be merged in by them.


So if  if this is additional information that could be merged in by them.

And then it would be available to action planning and  and others.


And then it would be available to action planning and  and others.

let 's  let 's That w OK that was one question. Is there other  other things that cuz  we wanna not Pa - pass over any  you know , questions or concerns that you have.


And then it would be available to action planning and  and others.

let 's  let 's That w OK that was one question. Is there other  other things that cuz  we wanna not Pa - pass over any  you know , questions or concerns that you have.

Well there 're  there 're two levels of  of giving an answer and I guess on both levels I don't have any um further questions.


let 's  let 's That w OK that was one question. Is there other  other things that cuz  we wanna not Pa - pass over any  you know , questions or concerns that you have.

Well there 're  there 're two levels of  of giving an answer and I guess on both levels I don't have any um further questions.


let 's  let 's That w OK that was one question. Is there other  other things that cuz  we wanna not Pa - pass over any  you know , questions or concerns that you have.

Well there 're  there 're two levels of  of giving an answer and I guess on both levels I don't have any um further questions.

uh the  the two levels will be as far as I 'm concerned as  uh standing here for the generation module


Well there 're  there 're two levels of  of giving an answer and I guess on both levels I don't have any um further questions.

uh the  the two levels will be as far as I 'm concerned as  uh standing here for the generation module


uh the  the two levels will be as far as I 'm concerned as  uh standing here for the generation module

and the other is  is my understanding of what SmartKom uh is supposed to be


and the other is  is my understanding of what SmartKom uh is supposed to be


and the other is  is my understanding of what SmartKom uh is supposed to be

So  well , let me  Let me s  expand on that a little bit from the point of view of the generation.


So  well , let me  Let me s  expand on that a little bit from the point of view of the generation.


So  well , let me  Let me s  expand on that a little bit from the point of view of the generation.

So the idea is that we 've actually got this all laid out an and we could show it to you ig um Robert didn't bring it today but there 's a  a belief - net which is  There 's a first cut at a belief - net that  that doesn't  it  isn't fully uh instantiated , and in particular some of the  the combination rules and ways of getting the  the conditional probabilities aren't there. But we believe that we have laid out the fundamental decisions in this little space


So the idea is that we 've actually got this all laid out an and we could show it to you ig um Robert didn't bring it today but there 's a  a belief - net which is  There 's a first cut at a belief - net that  that doesn't  it  isn't fully uh instantiated , and in particular some of the  the combination rules and ways of getting the  the conditional probabilities aren't there. But we believe that we have laid out the fundamental decisions in this little space


So the idea is that we 've actually got this all laid out an and we could show it to you ig um Robert didn't bring it today but there 's a  a belief - net which is  There 's a first cut at a belief - net that  that doesn't  it  isn't fully uh instantiated , and in particular some of the  the combination rules and ways of getting the  the conditional probabilities aren't there. But we believe that we have laid out the fundamental decisions in this little space

and the things that influence them. So one of the decisions is what we call this AVE thing. Do you want to um access , view or enter a thing.


and the things that influence them. So one of the decisions is what we call this AVE thing. Do you want to um access , view or enter a thing.


There are only three possibilities and the uh  what one would like is for this uh , knowledge modeling module to add which of those it is and give it to the planner.


There are only three possibilities and the uh  what one would like is for this uh , knowledge modeling module to add which of those it is and give it to the planner.

But , uh th the current design suggests that if it seems to be an important decision and if the belief - net is equivocal so that it doesn't say that one of these is much more probable than the other , then an option is to go back and ask for the information you want.


But , uh th the current design suggests that if it seems to be an important decision and if the belief - net is equivocal so that it doesn't say that one of these is much more probable than the other , then an option is to go back and ask for the information you want.

Alright ? Now there are two ways one can go  a imagine doing that. For the debugging we 'll probably just have a  a drop - down menu and the  while you 're debugging you will just  OK. But for a full system , then one might very well formulate a query ,


Alright ? Now there are two ways one can go  a imagine doing that. For the debugging we 'll probably just have a  a drop - down menu and the  while you 're debugging you will just  OK. But for a full system , then one might very well formulate a query ,

give it to the dialogue planner and say this , you know ar are you know you  are you planning to enter ? Or whatever it  whatever that might be. So that 's  under that model then , There would be a  uh  um a loop in which this thing would formulate a query ,


give it to the dialogue planner and say this , you know ar are you know you  are you planning to enter ? Or whatever it  whatever that might be. So that 's  under that model then , There would be a  uh  um a loop in which this thing would formulate a query ,

presumably give it to you. That would get expressed and then hopefully you know , you 'd get an answer  back.


presumably give it to you. That would get expressed and then hopefully you know , you 'd get an answer  back.

And that would of course  the answer would have to be parsed.


And that would of course  the answer would have to be parsed.


OK so ,  th  that uh , We probably won't do this early on , because the current focus is more on the decision making and stuff like that.


OK so ,  th  that uh , We probably won't do this early on , because the current focus is more on the decision making and stuff like that.

But While we 're on the subject I just wanted to give you a sort of head 's up that it could be that some months from now we said " OK we 're now ready to try to close that loop " in terms of querying about some of these decisions.


But While we 're on the subject I just wanted to give you a sort of head 's up that it could be that some months from now we said " OK we 're now ready to try to close that loop " in terms of querying about some of these decisions.


But While we 're on the subject I just wanted to give you a sort of head 's up that it could be that some months from now we said " OK we 're now ready to try to close that loop " in terms of querying about some of these decisions.

Yep. So  my suggestion then is that you um look into the currently ongoing discussion about how the action plans are supposed to look like. And they 're currently um Agreeing or  or in the process of agreeing on an X M L - ification of um something like a state - transition network of how dialogues would proceed. and  The  these um transition networks uh will be what the action planner interprets in a sense.


Yep. So  my suggestion then is that you um look into the currently ongoing discussion about how the action plans are supposed to look like. And they 're currently um Agreeing or  or in the process of agreeing on an X M L - ification of um something like a state - transition network of how dialogues would proceed. and  The  these um transition networks uh will be what the action planner interprets in a sense.


Yep. So  my suggestion then is that you um look into the currently ongoing discussion about how the action plans are supposed to look like. And they 're currently um Agreeing or  or in the process of agreeing on an X M L - ification of um something like a state - transition network of how dialogues would proceed. and  The  these um transition networks uh will be what the action planner interprets in a sense.

Well uh Marcus Lerkult is actually implementing that stuff and Marcus and Michael together are um leading the discussion there , yeah.


Well uh Marcus Lerkult is actually implementing that stuff and Marcus and Michael together are um leading the discussion there , yeah.


because um partly those are like X - schemas.


And it may be that  that um we should early on make sure that they have the flexibility that we need.


And it may be that  that um we should early on make sure that they have the flexibility that we need.

Hmm. But they uh Have I understood this right ? They  they govern more or less the  the dialogue behavior or the action


And it may be that  that um we should early on make sure that they have the flexibility that we need.

Hmm. But they uh Have I understood this right ? They  they govern more or less the  the dialogue behavior or the action

It 's not really what you do with the content of the dialogue but it 's So , I mean there is this  this  this nice interf


Hmm. But they uh Have I understood this right ? They  they govern more or less the  the dialogue behavior or the action

It 's not really what you do with the content of the dialogue but it 's So , I mean there is this  this  this nice interf

uh , No , it 's  it 's also a quantrant uh uh


It 's not really what you do with the content of the dialogue but it 's So , I mean there is this  this  this nice interf

uh , No , it 's  it 's also a quantrant uh uh


It 's not really what you do with the content of the dialogue but it 's So , I mean there is this  this  this nice interf

uh , No , it 's  it 's also a quantrant uh uh

So there 's ac so there  th the word " action " , OK , is  is what 's ambiguous here.


uh , No , it 's  it 's also a quantrant uh uh

So there 's ac so there  th the word " action " , OK , is  is what 's ambiguous here.


So there 's ac so there  th the word " action " , OK , is  is what 's ambiguous here.


So there 's ac so there  th the word " action " , OK , is  is what 's ambiguous here.

So , um one thing is there 's an actual planner that tells the person in the tourist domain now ,


So , um one thing is there 's an actual planner that tells the person in the tourist domain now ,


So , um one thing is there 's an actual planner that tells the person in the tourist domain now ,

per tells the person how to go , " First go here ,


per tells the person how to go , " First go here ,

first go there uh , you know , take a bus " , whatever it is. So that 's that form of planning , and action , and a route planner and GIS , all sort of stuff. uh But I think that isn't what you mean.


per tells the person how to go , " First go here ,

first go there uh , you know , take a bus " , whatever it is. So that 's that form of planning , and action , and a route planner and GIS , all sort of stuff. uh But I think that isn't what you mean.

No. No , in SmartKom terminology that 's um called a function that 's modeled by a function modeler. And it 's th that 's completely um encapsulated from th the dialogue system. That 's simply a functionality that you give data as in a query and then you get back from that mmm , a functioning model um which might be a planner or a VCR or whatever. um some result and that 's then  then used.


first go there uh , you know , take a bus " , whatever it is. So that 's that form of planning , and action , and a route planner and GIS , all sort of stuff. uh But I think that isn't what you mean.

No. No , in SmartKom terminology that 's um called a function that 's modeled by a function modeler. And it 's th that 's completely um encapsulated from th the dialogue system. That 's simply a functionality that you give data as in a query and then you get back from that mmm , a functioning model um which might be a planner or a VCR or whatever. um some result and that 's then  then used.

Well , OK , so that 's what I thought. So action he action here means dia uh speech ac uh you know dialogue act.


first go there uh , you know , take a bus " , whatever it is. So that 's that form of planning , and action , and a route planner and GIS , all sort of stuff. uh But I think that isn't what you mean.

No. No , in SmartKom terminology that 's um called a function that 's modeled by a function modeler. And it 's th that 's completely um encapsulated from th the dialogue system. That 's simply a functionality that you give data as in a query and then you get back from that mmm , a functioning model um which might be a planner or a VCR or whatever. um some result and that 's then  then used.

Well , OK , so that 's what I thought. So action he action here means dia uh speech ac uh you know dialogue act.

Yeah , yeah. Yeah , in that  in that sense


No. No , in SmartKom terminology that 's um called a function that 's modeled by a function modeler. And it 's th that 's completely um encapsulated from th the dialogue system. That 's simply a functionality that you give data as in a query and then you get back from that mmm , a functioning model um which might be a planner or a VCR or whatever. um some result and that 's then  then used.

Well , OK , so that 's what I thought. So action he action here means dia uh speech ac uh you know dialogue act.

Yeah , yeah. Yeah , in that  in that sense


Well , OK , so that 's what I thought. So action he action here means dia uh speech ac uh you know dialogue act.

Yeah , yeah. Yeah , in that  in that sense


Yeah , yeah. Yeah , in that  in that sense


Um , I think tha I think it 's not going to  I think that 's not going to be good enough. I I don what uh  what I meant by that. So I think the idea of having a , you know , transition diagram for the grammar of conversations is a good idea.


Um , I think tha I think it 's not going to  I think that 's not going to be good enough. I I don what uh  what I meant by that. So I think the idea of having a , you know , transition diagram for the grammar of conversations is a good idea.

OK ? And I think that we do hav definitely have to get in on it and find out  OK. But I think that um when  so , when you get to the tourist domain it 's not just an information retrieval system.


OK ? And I think that we do hav definitely have to get in on it and find out  OK. But I think that um when  so , when you get to the tourist domain it 's not just an information retrieval system.

Right ? So this i this is where I think this  people are gonna have to think this through a bit more carefully.


Right ? So this i this is where I think this  people are gonna have to think this through a bit more carefully.

So , if it 's only like in  in the  in the film and T V thing , OK , you can do this. And you just get information and give it to people. But what happens when you actually get them moving and so forth and so on


So , if it 's only like in  in the  in the film and T V thing , OK , you can do this. And you just get information and give it to people. But what happens when you actually get them moving and so forth and so on

Uh , y y your  I d I think the notion of this as a self contained uh module you know th the functional module that  that interacts with  with where the tourism g stuff is going  probably is too restrictive.


Uh , y y your  I d I think the notion of this as a self contained uh module you know th the functional module that  that interacts with  with where the tourism g stuff is going  probably is too restrictive.

Now I dunno how much people have thought ahead to the tourist domain in this


Uh , y y your  I d I think the notion of this as a self contained uh module you know th the functional module that  that interacts with  with where the tourism g stuff is going  probably is too restrictive.

Now I dunno how much people have thought ahead to the tourist domain in this

Probably not enough , I mean an  another uh more basic point there is that the current um tasks and therefore th the concepts in this ac what 's called the action plan and what 's really the dialogue manager.