The government knows I've been calling on friends, family and allies of the gay community to donate blood this week in the place of those of us who cannot. Not only do we need routine blood donations, but to do the research we need on possible prevention and treatment of COVID-19, we urgently need plasma donations from those who have recovered. This ban means that plasma donations are being rejected for no good scientific reason. Again, when will the Minister of Health act to get this ban lifted?

Madam Chair, I think the member used the right key words in referring to science and more prevention work to make sure that everyone lives in dignity and safety. Although there has been progress in the last few months and years on this important issue, there is more work to be done.

Six years ago this week, I tabled a motion in the House that called for an end to this homophobic and transphobic ban on blood donations from gay men, men who have sex with men and trans women. That was five ministers of health ago. At the time, I was told certain things had to happen before the ban could be lifted. These were all due to be completed earlier this year, before the COVID crisis. Since we appear to have cross-party support for my new motion, M-41, that I put on the notice paper this week, would the minister and the government agree to support a unanimous consent motion to proceed with M-41 immediately?

The honourable minister may give a short answer, please.


Madam Chair, I think the member used the right key words in referring to science and more prevention work to make sure that everyone lives in dignity and safety. Although there has been progress in the last few months and years on this important issue, there is more work to be done.

Six years ago this week, I tabled a motion in the House that called for an end to this homophobic and transphobic ban on blood donations from gay men, men who have sex with men and trans women. That was five ministers of health ago. At the time, I was told certain things had to happen before the ban could be lifted. These were all due to be completed earlier this year, before the COVID crisis. Since we appear to have cross-party support for my new motion, M-41, that I put on the notice paper this week, would the minister and the government agree to support a unanimous consent motion to proceed with M-41 immediately?

The honourable minister may give a short answer, please.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Homophobia and transphobia are examples of discrimination and absolutely important things not only to recognize but to fight against. That's why we are pleased to have voices such as the member of Parliament's voice to make sure that we make progress in making sure that everyone in Canada lives in safety and in dignity.


Six years ago this week, I tabled a motion in the House that called for an end to this homophobic and transphobic ban on blood donations from gay men, men who have sex with men and trans women. That was five ministers of health ago. At the time, I was told certain things had to happen before the ban could be lifted. These were all due to be completed earlier this year, before the COVID crisis. Since we appear to have cross-party support for my new motion, M-41, that I put on the notice paper this week, would the minister and the government agree to support a unanimous consent motion to proceed with M-41 immediately?

The honourable minister may give a short answer, please.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Homophobia and transphobia are examples of discrimination and absolutely important things not only to recognize but to fight against. That's why we are pleased to have voices such as the member of Parliament's voice to make sure that we make progress in making sure that everyone in Canada lives in safety and in dignity.


The honourable minister may give a short answer, please.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Homophobia and transphobia are examples of discrimination and absolutely important things not only to recognize but to fight against. That's why we are pleased to have voices such as the member of Parliament's voice to make sure that we make progress in making sure that everyone in Canada lives in safety and in dignity.

MadamChair, I will share my time with the honourable member for LongueuilSaint-Hubert. As Quebec starts to gradually emerge from the general lockdown, the outlook for the recovery of the tourism industry remains bleak. The economy of several regions of Quebec depends on tourism to ensure stability and balance, which will be beneficial in the coming months. Is the Minister of Finance prepared to extend the Canada emergency response benefit beyond 16weeks to ensure a living wage for tourism workers?


Thank you, Madam Chair. Homophobia and transphobia are examples of discrimination and absolutely important things not only to recognize but to fight against. That's why we are pleased to have voices such as the member of Parliament's voice to make sure that we make progress in making sure that everyone in Canada lives in safety and in dignity.

MadamChair, I will share my time with the honourable member for LongueuilSaint-Hubert. As Quebec starts to gradually emerge from the general lockdown, the outlook for the recovery of the tourism industry remains bleak. The economy of several regions of Quebec depends on tourism to ensure stability and balance, which will be beneficial in the coming months. Is the Minister of Finance prepared to extend the Canada emergency response benefit beyond 16weeks to ensure a living wage for tourism workers?

MadamChair, as I said in English, we're working very hard to continue to be there for all Canadians, whether it's through the CERB or the Canada emergency wage subsidy. Please excuse me, I'm very tired. I'll continue in English. We're going to have news on this very soon, Madam Chair, but the point is that we want to make sure that all of these programs work well together, whether it's the wage subsidy or the CERB. We want to make sure that we incentivize work, but we still continue to be there for Canadians.


MadamChair, I will share my time with the honourable member for LongueuilSaint-Hubert. As Quebec starts to gradually emerge from the general lockdown, the outlook for the recovery of the tourism industry remains bleak. The economy of several regions of Quebec depends on tourism to ensure stability and balance, which will be beneficial in the coming months. Is the Minister of Finance prepared to extend the Canada emergency response benefit beyond 16weeks to ensure a living wage for tourism workers?

MadamChair, as I said in English, we're working very hard to continue to be there for all Canadians, whether it's through the CERB or the Canada emergency wage subsidy. Please excuse me, I'm very tired. I'll continue in English. We're going to have news on this very soon, Madam Chair, but the point is that we want to make sure that all of these programs work well together, whether it's the wage subsidy or the CERB. We want to make sure that we incentivize work, but we still continue to be there for Canadians.

We read that the government wants to gradually replace the Canada emergency response benefit by using the Canada emergency wage subsidy. That's all well and good, but seasonal industries aren't entitled to it under the current criteria. If the minister is aware of the importance of the tourism industry in the economic cycle of our regions, he must commit to helping workers. If the clientele isn't there, the industry will simply no longer exist. We still need the Canada emergency response benefit. We simply need to make it an employment incentive so as not to hurt people who are lucky enough to be able to go back to work. The question is simple: will the government commit to renewing it?


MadamChair, I will share my time with the honourable member for LongueuilSaint-Hubert. As Quebec starts to gradually emerge from the general lockdown, the outlook for the recovery of the tourism industry remains bleak. The economy of several regions of Quebec depends on tourism to ensure stability and balance, which will be beneficial in the coming months. Is the Minister of Finance prepared to extend the Canada emergency response benefit beyond 16weeks to ensure a living wage for tourism workers?

MadamChair, as I said in English, we're working very hard to continue to be there for all Canadians, whether it's through the CERB or the Canada emergency wage subsidy. Please excuse me, I'm very tired. I'll continue in English. We're going to have news on this very soon, Madam Chair, but the point is that we want to make sure that all of these programs work well together, whether it's the wage subsidy or the CERB. We want to make sure that we incentivize work, but we still continue to be there for Canadians.

We read that the government wants to gradually replace the Canada emergency response benefit by using the Canada emergency wage subsidy. That's all well and good, but seasonal industries aren't entitled to it under the current criteria. If the minister is aware of the importance of the tourism industry in the economic cycle of our regions, he must commit to helping workers. If the clientele isn't there, the industry will simply no longer exist. We still need the Canada emergency response benefit. We simply need to make it an employment incentive so as not to hurt people who are lucky enough to be able to go back to work. The question is simple: will the government commit to renewing it?

Madam Chair, we are working hard to make sure we continue to support Canadians as we transition through economic recovery. We want to make sure that we support Canadians, but of course we don't want to disincentivize work. The CERB was created for a different purpose. We asked people to stay home to be safe and to self-isolate if they had symptoms. We want to make sure that as we ask people to go back to work, we don't disincentivize work, but the reality is that there won't be jobs there for everyone, and we need to continue to support everyone.


MadamChair, as I said in English, we're working very hard to continue to be there for all Canadians, whether it's through the CERB or the Canada emergency wage subsidy. Please excuse me, I'm very tired. I'll continue in English. We're going to have news on this very soon, Madam Chair, but the point is that we want to make sure that all of these programs work well together, whether it's the wage subsidy or the CERB. We want to make sure that we incentivize work, but we still continue to be there for Canadians.

We read that the government wants to gradually replace the Canada emergency response benefit by using the Canada emergency wage subsidy. That's all well and good, but seasonal industries aren't entitled to it under the current criteria. If the minister is aware of the importance of the tourism industry in the economic cycle of our regions, he must commit to helping workers. If the clientele isn't there, the industry will simply no longer exist. We still need the Canada emergency response benefit. We simply need to make it an employment incentive so as not to hurt people who are lucky enough to be able to go back to work. The question is simple: will the government commit to renewing it?

Madam Chair, we are working hard to make sure we continue to support Canadians as we transition through economic recovery. We want to make sure that we support Canadians, but of course we don't want to disincentivize work. The CERB was created for a different purpose. We asked people to stay home to be safe and to self-isolate if they had symptoms. We want to make sure that as we ask people to go back to work, we don't disincentivize work, but the reality is that there won't be jobs there for everyone, and we need to continue to support everyone.


We read that the government wants to gradually replace the Canada emergency response benefit by using the Canada emergency wage subsidy. That's all well and good, but seasonal industries aren't entitled to it under the current criteria. If the minister is aware of the importance of the tourism industry in the economic cycle of our regions, he must commit to helping workers. If the clientele isn't there, the industry will simply no longer exist. We still need the Canada emergency response benefit. We simply need to make it an employment incentive so as not to hurt people who are lucky enough to be able to go back to work. The question is simple: will the government commit to renewing it?

Madam Chair, we are working hard to make sure we continue to support Canadians as we transition through economic recovery. We want to make sure that we support Canadians, but of course we don't want to disincentivize work. The CERB was created for a different purpose. We asked people to stay home to be safe and to self-isolate if they had symptoms. We want to make sure that as we ask people to go back to work, we don't disincentivize work, but the reality is that there won't be jobs there for everyone, and we need to continue to support everyone.

MadamChair, I join my colleague in extending my good wishes to you on Portugal's national day. Apart from the fact that it is probably the most beautiful riding in Quebec, the riding of LongueuilSaint-Hubert has surely been one of the hardest hit by the pandemic, both in terms of health and the economy. There are industries here, but also many service businesses, including bars, restaurants and theatres. But we aren't close to being able to go back and see a show by WajdiMouawad or FredPellerin, and that's a shame. We must work to calm the anxiety of these people. The arts sector was the first to stop its activities and will be the last to resume them. There is a lot of anxiety. The CERB ends on July4. Will the government extend the CERB, with an employment incentive?


Madam Chair, we are working hard to make sure we continue to support Canadians as we transition through economic recovery. We want to make sure that we support Canadians, but of course we don't want to disincentivize work. The CERB was created for a different purpose. We asked people to stay home to be safe and to self-isolate if they had symptoms. We want to make sure that as we ask people to go back to work, we don't disincentivize work, but the reality is that there won't be jobs there for everyone, and we need to continue to support everyone.

MadamChair, I join my colleague in extending my good wishes to you on Portugal's national day. Apart from the fact that it is probably the most beautiful riding in Quebec, the riding of LongueuilSaint-Hubert has surely been one of the hardest hit by the pandemic, both in terms of health and the economy. There are industries here, but also many service businesses, including bars, restaurants and theatres. But we aren't close to being able to go back and see a show by WajdiMouawad or FredPellerin, and that's a shame. We must work to calm the anxiety of these people. The arts sector was the first to stop its activities and will be the last to resume them. There is a lot of anxiety. The CERB ends on July4. Will the government extend the CERB, with an employment incentive?

MadamChair, I thank my colleague for his question and all the work he's doing in arts and culture. From the outset, we've been there to support our artists and arts organizations. We introduced the Canada emergency response benefit, for example, but also the emergency wage subsidy, which we made available to non-governmental organizations. To ensure that people who receive royalties aren't penalized under the Canada emergency response benefit, we have adapted it. We announced a $500million fund to specifically help the arts and culture sector. In fact, we understand very well that this sector has been severely affected by the current crisis. We've been there for our artists and artisans, and we will continue to be.


MadamChair, I join my colleague in extending my good wishes to you on Portugal's national day. Apart from the fact that it is probably the most beautiful riding in Quebec, the riding of LongueuilSaint-Hubert has surely been one of the hardest hit by the pandemic, both in terms of health and the economy. There are industries here, but also many service businesses, including bars, restaurants and theatres. But we aren't close to being able to go back and see a show by WajdiMouawad or FredPellerin, and that's a shame. We must work to calm the anxiety of these people. The arts sector was the first to stop its activities and will be the last to resume them. There is a lot of anxiety. The CERB ends on July4. Will the government extend the CERB, with an employment incentive?

MadamChair, I thank my colleague for his question and all the work he's doing in arts and culture. From the outset, we've been there to support our artists and arts organizations. We introduced the Canada emergency response benefit, for example, but also the emergency wage subsidy, which we made available to non-governmental organizations. To ensure that people who receive royalties aren't penalized under the Canada emergency response benefit, we have adapted it. We announced a $500million fund to specifically help the arts and culture sector. In fact, we understand very well that this sector has been severely affected by the current crisis. We've been there for our artists and artisans, and we will continue to be.

Perfect. Instead of giving a long preamble, I'll ask a very simple question: will the CERB be extended on July5?


MadamChair, I thank my colleague for his question and all the work he's doing in arts and culture. From the outset, we've been there to support our artists and arts organizations. We introduced the Canada emergency response benefit, for example, but also the emergency wage subsidy, which we made available to non-governmental organizations. To ensure that people who receive royalties aren't penalized under the Canada emergency response benefit, we have adapted it. We announced a $500million fund to specifically help the arts and culture sector. In fact, we understand very well that this sector has been severely affected by the current crisis. We've been there for our artists and artisans, and we will continue to be.

Perfect. Instead of giving a long preamble, I'll ask a very simple question: will the CERB be extended on July5?

Madam Chair, I can assure the member opposite that in July we will be there for Canadian workers.


Perfect. Instead of giving a long preamble, I'll ask a very simple question: will the CERB be extended on July5?

Madam Chair, I can assure the member opposite that in July we will be there for Canadian workers.

In my riding, a nice little restaurant called Crpe Caf on St-Charles Street in Longueuil has just closed its doors. It's final; it won't reopen. Another restaurant owner told me that he was going to reopen his restaurant, but he didn't know at what capacity. Would it be at 15%, 30%, 40%? No one knows. The speed at which the economy will recover is the big unknown. How many hours a week will it be able to offer its employees? Will it be 12hours, 15hours, 22hours? Will employees even want to return to work to put in 12hours a week? If the CERB isn't adjusted, nothing will happen. Will the government commit to extending the CERB and providing an employment incentive to get the economy moving again at full speed?


Madam Chair, I can assure the member opposite that in July we will be there for Canadian workers.

In my riding, a nice little restaurant called Crpe Caf on St-Charles Street in Longueuil has just closed its doors. It's final; it won't reopen. Another restaurant owner told me that he was going to reopen his restaurant, but he didn't know at what capacity. Would it be at 15%, 30%, 40%? No one knows. The speed at which the economy will recover is the big unknown. How many hours a week will it be able to offer its employees? Will it be 12hours, 15hours, 22hours? Will employees even want to return to work to put in 12hours a week? If the CERB isn't adjusted, nothing will happen. Will the government commit to extending the CERB and providing an employment incentive to get the economy moving again at full speed?

MadamChair, I know, of course, that the restaurant sector has been much affected. I have a great deal of empathy for what entrepreneurs and my colleague are going through in his riding. That's why we are currently helping our SMEs. We have money for economic development. The money is available through Canada Economic Development, or CED. If my colleague wants to work with me to provide support to restaurant owners and other restaurants in Longueuil, I'd be very happy to do so.


In my riding, a nice little restaurant called Crpe Caf on St-Charles Street in Longueuil has just closed its doors. It's final; it won't reopen. Another restaurant owner told me that he was going to reopen his restaurant, but he didn't know at what capacity. Would it be at 15%, 30%, 40%? No one knows. The speed at which the economy will recover is the big unknown. How many hours a week will it be able to offer its employees? Will it be 12hours, 15hours, 22hours? Will employees even want to return to work to put in 12hours a week? If the CERB isn't adjusted, nothing will happen. Will the government commit to extending the CERB and providing an employment incentive to get the economy moving again at full speed?

MadamChair, I know, of course, that the restaurant sector has been much affected. I have a great deal of empathy for what entrepreneurs and my colleague are going through in his riding. That's why we are currently helping our SMEs. We have money for economic development. The money is available through Canada Economic Development, or CED. If my colleague wants to work with me to provide support to restaurant owners and other restaurants in Longueuil, I'd be very happy to do so.

Madam Chair, last month, on May 5, I asked the government how it plans to support the agriculture sector. The Liberals announced a $50-million food surplus purchase program as part of the agricultural aid package. Now, one month later, our farmers, who provide the food we need, are still waiting on funds to be delivered. The New Brunswick potato industry is sitting on a massive amount of last year's crop that, because of the pandemic, has no buyers. When will the Prime Minister and the government step up and deliver the support our farmers so desperately need?


MadamChair, I know, of course, that the restaurant sector has been much affected. I have a great deal of empathy for what entrepreneurs and my colleague are going through in his riding. That's why we are currently helping our SMEs. We have money for economic development. The money is available through Canada Economic Development, or CED. If my colleague wants to work with me to provide support to restaurant owners and other restaurants in Longueuil, I'd be very happy to do so.

Madam Chair, last month, on May 5, I asked the government how it plans to support the agriculture sector. The Liberals announced a $50-million food surplus purchase program as part of the agricultural aid package. Now, one month later, our farmers, who provide the food we need, are still waiting on funds to be delivered. The New Brunswick potato industry is sitting on a massive amount of last year's crop that, because of the pandemic, has no buyers. When will the Prime Minister and the government step up and deliver the support our farmers so desperately need?

Madam Chair, without question we want to continue to support farmers. My colleague Minister Bibeau has introduced hundreds of millions of dollars for farmers. In addition to that, we have provided relief and support for migrant workers, who are ensuring that Canadians have access to safe and affordable food.


Madam Chair, last month, on May 5, I asked the government how it plans to support the agriculture sector. The Liberals announced a $50-million food surplus purchase program as part of the agricultural aid package. Now, one month later, our farmers, who provide the food we need, are still waiting on funds to be delivered. The New Brunswick potato industry is sitting on a massive amount of last year's crop that, because of the pandemic, has no buyers. When will the Prime Minister and the government step up and deliver the support our farmers so desperately need?

Madam Chair, without question we want to continue to support farmers. My colleague Minister Bibeau has introduced hundreds of millions of dollars for farmers. In addition to that, we have provided relief and support for migrant workers, who are ensuring that Canadians have access to safe and affordable food.

Madam Chair, when support for the agriculture sector was announced on May 4, our agriculture sector had been sounding the alarm for weeks that they needed help to continue to meet Canadians' food needs. It has been over a month since that announcement, and our farmers are still waiting for help. It is worth noting, Madam Chair, that vegetables like the potatoes in New Brunswick that I previously mentioned are perishable products. Our farmers do not have the luxury of time. Again, will the Prime Minister and this government make agriculture a priority and provide them with the support they desperately need right now?


Madam Chair, last month, on May 5, I asked the government how it plans to support the agriculture sector. The Liberals announced a $50-million food surplus purchase program as part of the agricultural aid package. Now, one month later, our farmers, who provide the food we need, are still waiting on funds to be delivered. The New Brunswick potato industry is sitting on a massive amount of last year's crop that, because of the pandemic, has no buyers. When will the Prime Minister and the government step up and deliver the support our farmers so desperately need?

Madam Chair, without question we want to continue to support farmers. My colleague Minister Bibeau has introduced hundreds of millions of dollars for farmers. In addition to that, we have provided relief and support for migrant workers, who are ensuring that Canadians have access to safe and affordable food.

Madam Chair, when support for the agriculture sector was announced on May 4, our agriculture sector had been sounding the alarm for weeks that they needed help to continue to meet Canadians' food needs. It has been over a month since that announcement, and our farmers are still waiting for help. It is worth noting, Madam Chair, that vegetables like the potatoes in New Brunswick that I previously mentioned are perishable products. Our farmers do not have the luxury of time. Again, will the Prime Minister and this government make agriculture a priority and provide them with the support they desperately need right now?

Madam Chair, obviously we believe in the importance of our regions and our rural communities, and that's why we've always made sure that agriculture was at the core of many of the decisions throughout this pandemic. That's why our colleague Minister Bibeau, who is the Minister of Agriculture, has been there providing the right liquidity and the right support through this pandemic. Of course we want to make sure that we continue to partner with provinces and territories, because we need their help in this context to make sure that all together we show strong economic support for our farmers, who are going through tough times.


Madam Chair, without question we want to continue to support farmers. My colleague Minister Bibeau has introduced hundreds of millions of dollars for farmers. In addition to that, we have provided relief and support for migrant workers, who are ensuring that Canadians have access to safe and affordable food.

Madam Chair, when support for the agriculture sector was announced on May 4, our agriculture sector had been sounding the alarm for weeks that they needed help to continue to meet Canadians' food needs. It has been over a month since that announcement, and our farmers are still waiting for help. It is worth noting, Madam Chair, that vegetables like the potatoes in New Brunswick that I previously mentioned are perishable products. Our farmers do not have the luxury of time. Again, will the Prime Minister and this government make agriculture a priority and provide them with the support they desperately need right now?

Madam Chair, obviously we believe in the importance of our regions and our rural communities, and that's why we've always made sure that agriculture was at the core of many of the decisions throughout this pandemic. That's why our colleague Minister Bibeau, who is the Minister of Agriculture, has been there providing the right liquidity and the right support through this pandemic. Of course we want to make sure that we continue to partner with provinces and territories, because we need their help in this context to make sure that all together we show strong economic support for our farmers, who are going through tough times.

On May 1 the Liberals introduced a sweeping firearms ban through an order in council that outlawed 1,500 firearms. Recent reports show that since then, more and more firearms are quietly being added to the list of banned firearms, including many common hunting rifles and shotguns. Madam Chair, our hunters, outfitters, dealers and sport shooters are some of the most vetted members of our society. Why does the Prime Minister insist on making criminals out of law-abiding firearms owners instead of dealing with the criminals we already have?


Madam Chair, when support for the agriculture sector was announced on May 4, our agriculture sector had been sounding the alarm for weeks that they needed help to continue to meet Canadians' food needs. It has been over a month since that announcement, and our farmers are still waiting for help. It is worth noting, Madam Chair, that vegetables like the potatoes in New Brunswick that I previously mentioned are perishable products. Our farmers do not have the luxury of time. Again, will the Prime Minister and this government make agriculture a priority and provide them with the support they desperately need right now?

Madam Chair, obviously we believe in the importance of our regions and our rural communities, and that's why we've always made sure that agriculture was at the core of many of the decisions throughout this pandemic. That's why our colleague Minister Bibeau, who is the Minister of Agriculture, has been there providing the right liquidity and the right support through this pandemic. Of course we want to make sure that we continue to partner with provinces and territories, because we need their help in this context to make sure that all together we show strong economic support for our farmers, who are going through tough times.

On May 1 the Liberals introduced a sweeping firearms ban through an order in council that outlawed 1,500 firearms. Recent reports show that since then, more and more firearms are quietly being added to the list of banned firearms, including many common hunting rifles and shotguns. Madam Chair, our hunters, outfitters, dealers and sport shooters are some of the most vetted members of our society. Why does the Prime Minister insist on making criminals out of law-abiding firearms owners instead of dealing with the criminals we already have?

Madam Chair, I am very proud of this government's record when it comes to ensuring that we take out of our communities those guns that have one objective only, and that is to kill other people. We will always stand by that record, and we will continue to take the necessary steps to keep our communities safe.


Madam Chair, obviously we believe in the importance of our regions and our rural communities, and that's why we've always made sure that agriculture was at the core of many of the decisions throughout this pandemic. That's why our colleague Minister Bibeau, who is the Minister of Agriculture, has been there providing the right liquidity and the right support through this pandemic. Of course we want to make sure that we continue to partner with provinces and territories, because we need their help in this context to make sure that all together we show strong economic support for our farmers, who are going through tough times.

On May 1 the Liberals introduced a sweeping firearms ban through an order in council that outlawed 1,500 firearms. Recent reports show that since then, more and more firearms are quietly being added to the list of banned firearms, including many common hunting rifles and shotguns. Madam Chair, our hunters, outfitters, dealers and sport shooters are some of the most vetted members of our society. Why does the Prime Minister insist on making criminals out of law-abiding firearms owners instead of dealing with the criminals we already have?

Madam Chair, I am very proud of this government's record when it comes to ensuring that we take out of our communities those guns that have one objective only, and that is to kill other people. We will always stand by that record, and we will continue to take the necessary steps to keep our communities safe.

Madam Chair, the Liberals have said that to compensate firearms owners, they will implement a national buyback program. Instead of targeting law-abiding firearms owners and their legally purchased private property, wouldn't the estimated quarter of a billion dollars needed to buy back these firearms be better utilized right now in supporting our agricultural sector, the very people who grow our food and literally keep our land?


On May 1 the Liberals introduced a sweeping firearms ban through an order in council that outlawed 1,500 firearms. Recent reports show that since then, more and more firearms are quietly being added to the list of banned firearms, including many common hunting rifles and shotguns. Madam Chair, our hunters, outfitters, dealers and sport shooters are some of the most vetted members of our society. Why does the Prime Minister insist on making criminals out of law-abiding firearms owners instead of dealing with the criminals we already have?

Madam Chair, I am very proud of this government's record when it comes to ensuring that we take out of our communities those guns that have one objective only, and that is to kill other people. We will always stand by that record, and we will continue to take the necessary steps to keep our communities safe.

Madam Chair, the Liberals have said that to compensate firearms owners, they will implement a national buyback program. Instead of targeting law-abiding firearms owners and their legally purchased private property, wouldn't the estimated quarter of a billion dollars needed to buy back these firearms be better utilized right now in supporting our agricultural sector, the very people who grow our food and literally keep our land?

Madam Chair, of course we look forward to saying more about that, but of course we remain committed to taking those guns that have only one objective, and that is to kill people. The legislation we have introduced and the measures we have taken are designed to keep our communities safe, and of course we will do that. We will also continue to support farmers, introducing hundreds of millions of dollars in support because we know they are providing Canadians with affordable food.


Madam Chair, I am very proud of this government's record when it comes to ensuring that we take out of our communities those guns that have one objective only, and that is to kill other people. We will always stand by that record, and we will continue to take the necessary steps to keep our communities safe.

Madam Chair, the Liberals have said that to compensate firearms owners, they will implement a national buyback program. Instead of targeting law-abiding firearms owners and their legally purchased private property, wouldn't the estimated quarter of a billion dollars needed to buy back these firearms be better utilized right now in supporting our agricultural sector, the very people who grow our food and literally keep our land?

Madam Chair, of course we look forward to saying more about that, but of course we remain committed to taking those guns that have only one objective, and that is to kill people. The legislation we have introduced and the measures we have taken are designed to keep our communities safe, and of course we will do that. We will also continue to support farmers, introducing hundreds of millions of dollars in support because we know they are providing Canadians with affordable food.

Mr. Bragdon, you have time for a short question.


Madam Chair, the Liberals have said that to compensate firearms owners, they will implement a national buyback program. Instead of targeting law-abiding firearms owners and their legally purchased private property, wouldn't the estimated quarter of a billion dollars needed to buy back these firearms be better utilized right now in supporting our agricultural sector, the very people who grow our food and literally keep our land?

Madam Chair, of course we look forward to saying more about that, but of course we remain committed to taking those guns that have only one objective, and that is to kill people. The legislation we have introduced and the measures we have taken are designed to keep our communities safe, and of course we will do that. We will also continue to support farmers, introducing hundreds of millions of dollars in support because we know they are providing Canadians with affordable food.

Mr. Bragdon, you have time for a short question.

Madam Chair, many sole proprietors have been hit extremely hard by this pandemic. My office has heard from many who have been in business for nearly 30 years and have submitted hundreds of HST returns, yet still cannot access the CEBA funding because they do not have a business chequing account, as a lot of small business owners use their personal chequing accounts to do their business. The Liberals offered aid to sole proprietors but attached unnecessary hurdles that prevent many of them from accessing the funds they desperately need to keep their businesses afloat. When will these unnecessary hurdles be removed so businesses can start to receive the relief they so desperately need?


Madam Chair, of course we look forward to saying more about that, but of course we remain committed to taking those guns that have only one objective, and that is to kill people. The legislation we have introduced and the measures we have taken are designed to keep our communities safe, and of course we will do that. We will also continue to support farmers, introducing hundreds of millions of dollars in support because we know they are providing Canadians with affordable food.

Mr. Bragdon, you have time for a short question.

Madam Chair, many sole proprietors have been hit extremely hard by this pandemic. My office has heard from many who have been in business for nearly 30 years and have submitted hundreds of HST returns, yet still cannot access the CEBA funding because they do not have a business chequing account, as a lot of small business owners use their personal chequing accounts to do their business. The Liberals offered aid to sole proprietors but attached unnecessary hurdles that prevent many of them from accessing the funds they desperately need to keep their businesses afloat. When will these unnecessary hurdles be removed so businesses can start to receive the relief they so desperately need?

We will have a very short answer from the honourable minister.


Mr. Bragdon, you have time for a short question.

Madam Chair, many sole proprietors have been hit extremely hard by this pandemic. My office has heard from many who have been in business for nearly 30 years and have submitted hundreds of HST returns, yet still cannot access the CEBA funding because they do not have a business chequing account, as a lot of small business owners use their personal chequing accounts to do their business. The Liberals offered aid to sole proprietors but attached unnecessary hurdles that prevent many of them from accessing the funds they desperately need to keep their businesses afloat. When will these unnecessary hurdles be removed so businesses can start to receive the relief they so desperately need?

We will have a very short answer from the honourable minister.

We believe in the importance of making sure we're supporting our businesses, including sole proprietors. That is why our colleague, Minister Ng, the minister for small business, has been working on this and will continue to make sure we take the appropriate steps to recognize that. Meanwhile, people can definitely come to the regional development agencies if they don't have access to funding through banks, and that's a good way to make sure there is a backstop.


Madam Chair, many sole proprietors have been hit extremely hard by this pandemic. My office has heard from many who have been in business for nearly 30 years and have submitted hundreds of HST returns, yet still cannot access the CEBA funding because they do not have a business chequing account, as a lot of small business owners use their personal chequing accounts to do their business. The Liberals offered aid to sole proprietors but attached unnecessary hurdles that prevent many of them from accessing the funds they desperately need to keep their businesses afloat. When will these unnecessary hurdles be removed so businesses can start to receive the relief they so desperately need?

We will have a very short answer from the honourable minister.

We believe in the importance of making sure we're supporting our businesses, including sole proprietors. That is why our colleague, Minister Ng, the minister for small business, has been working on this and will continue to make sure we take the appropriate steps to recognize that. Meanwhile, people can definitely come to the regional development agencies if they don't have access to funding through banks, and that's a good way to make sure there is a backstop.


OK So uh today we 're looking at a number of uh things we 're trying and uh fortunately for listeners to this uh we lost some of it 's visual but um got tables in front of us. Um what is  what does combo mean ?

So combo is um a system where we have these features that go through a network and then this same string of features but low - pass filtered with the low - pass filter used in the MSG features. And so these low - pass filtered goes through M eh  another MLP and then the linear output of these two MLP 's are combined just by adding the values and then there is this KLT. Um the output is used as uh features as well.

Um so let me try to restate this and see if I have it right. There is uh  there is the features uh there 's the OGI features and then um those features um go through a contextual  uh l l let 's take this bottom arr one pointed to by the bottom arrow. Um those features go through a contextualized KLT. Then these features also uh get um low - pass filtered


So combo is um a system where we have these features that go through a network and then this same string of features but low - pass filtered with the low - pass filter used in the MSG features. And so these low - pass filtered goes through M eh  another MLP and then the linear output of these two MLP 's are combined just by adding the values and then there is this KLT. Um the output is used as uh features as well.

Um so let me try to restate this and see if I have it right. There is uh  there is the features uh there 's the OGI features and then um those features um go through a contextual  uh l l let 's take this bottom arr one pointed to by the bottom arrow. Um those features go through a contextualized KLT. Then these features also uh get um low - pass filtered

Yeah. Yeah so yeah I could perhaps draw this on the blackboard


Um so let me try to restate this and see if I have it right. There is uh  there is the features uh there 's the OGI features and then um those features um go through a contextual  uh l l let 's take this bottom arr one pointed to by the bottom arrow. Um those features go through a contextualized KLT. Then these features also uh get um low - pass filtered

Yeah. Yeah so yeah I could perhaps draw this on the blackboard


Yeah. Yeah so yeah I could perhaps draw this on the blackboard


So we have these features from OGI that goes through the three paths.


So we have these features from OGI that goes through the three paths.

The first is a KLT using several frames of the features.


The first is a KLT using several frames of the features.

The second path is uh MLP also using nine frames  several frames of features


The second path is uh MLP also using nine frames  several frames of features

The third path is this low - pass filter.


The third path is this low - pass filter.


Adding the outputs just like in the second propose the  the proposal from  for the first evaluation.


Adding the outputs just like in the second propose the  the proposal from  for the first evaluation.

And then the KLT and then the two together again.


Adding the outputs just like in the second propose the  the proposal from  for the first evaluation.

And then the KLT and then the two together again.

No , the KLT. And those two together. That 's it.


And then the KLT and then the two together again.

No , the KLT. And those two together. That 's it.


No , the KLT. And those two together. That 's it.


And so uh and then the  the  the one at the top  and I presume these things that uh are in yellow are in yellow because overall they 're the best ?


And so uh and then the  the  the one at the top  and I presume these things that uh are in yellow are in yellow because overall they 're the best ?

Oh let 's focus on them then so what 's the block diagram for the one above it ?


And so uh and then the  the  the one at the top  and I presume these things that uh are in yellow are in yellow because overall they 're the best ?

Oh let 's focus on them then so what 's the block diagram for the one above it ?

For the f the f first yellow line you mean ?


Oh let 's focus on them then so what 's the block diagram for the one above it ?

For the f the f first yellow line you mean ?


Oh let 's focus on them then so what 's the block diagram for the one above it ?

For the f the f first yellow line you mean ?

Yeah so it 's uh basically s the same except that we don't have this uh low - pass filtering so we have only two streams.


For the f the f first yellow line you mean ?

Yeah so it 's uh basically s the same except that we don't have this uh low - pass filtering so we have only two streams.


Yeah so it 's uh basically s the same except that we don't have this uh low - pass filtering so we have only two streams.

Well. There 's  there 's no low  low - pass processing used as additional feature stream.


Well. There 's  there 's no low  low - pass processing used as additional feature stream.


Well. There 's  there 's no low  low - pass processing used as additional feature stream.

Do you e um they mentioned  made some  uh when I was on the phone with Sunil they  they mentioned some weighting scheme that was used to evaluate all of these numbers.


Do you e um they mentioned  made some  uh when I was on the phone with Sunil they  they mentioned some weighting scheme that was used to evaluate all of these numbers.

Yeah. Uh actually the way things seems to um well it 's uh forty percent for TI - digit , sixty for all the SpeechDat - Cars , well all these languages. Ehm the well match is forty , medium thirty five and high mismatch twenty - five. Yeah.


Do you e um they mentioned  made some  uh when I was on the phone with Sunil they  they mentioned some weighting scheme that was used to evaluate all of these numbers.

Yeah. Uh actually the way things seems to um well it 's uh forty percent for TI - digit , sixty for all the SpeechDat - Cars , well all these languages. Ehm the well match is forty , medium thirty five and high mismatch twenty - five. Yeah.

Um and we don't have the TI - digits part yet ?


Yeah. Uh actually the way things seems to um well it 's uh forty percent for TI - digit , sixty for all the SpeechDat - Cars , well all these languages. Ehm the well match is forty , medium thirty five and high mismatch twenty - five. Yeah.

Um and we don't have the TI - digits part yet ?


Um and we don't have the TI - digits part yet ?

But yeah. Generally what you observe with TI - digits is that the result are very close whatever the  the system.


But yeah. Generally what you observe with TI - digits is that the result are very close whatever the  the system.

OK. And so have you put all these numbers together into a single number representing that ?


OK. And so have you put all these numbers together into a single number representing that ?


OK so that should be pretty easy to do and that would be good


OK so that should be pretty easy to do and that would be good

then we could compare the two and say what was better.


then we could compare the two and say what was better.

Um and how does this compare to the numbers  oh so OGI two is just the top  top row ?


Um and how does this compare to the numbers  oh so OGI two is just the top  top row ?

So yeah to  actually OGI two is the  the baseline with the OGI features but this is not exactly the result that they have because they 've  they 're still made some changes in the features


So yeah to  actually OGI two is the  the baseline with the OGI features but this is not exactly the result that they have because they 've  they 're still made some changes in the features

and  well but uh actually our results are better than their results. Um I don't know by how much because they did not send us the new results


and  well but uh actually our results are better than their results. Um I don't know by how much because they did not send us the new results


and  well but uh actually our results are better than their results. Um I don't know by how much because they did not send us the new results

Uh OK so the one  one place where it looks like we 're messing things up a bit is in the highly mismatched Italian.


Uh OK so the one  one place where it looks like we 're messing things up a bit is in the highly mismatched Italian.


Uh OK so the one  one place where it looks like we 're messing things up a bit is in the highly mismatched Italian.

Yeah there is something funny happening here because  yeah.


Yeah there is something funny happening here because  yeah.


Yeah there is something funny happening here because  yeah.

But there are thirty - six and then sometimes we are  we are  we are around forty - two and


But there are thirty - six and then sometimes we are  we are  we are around forty - two and


But there are thirty - six and then sometimes we are  we are  we are around forty - two and

Uh so one of the ideas that you had mentioned last time was having a  a second um silence detection.


Uh so one of the ideas that you had mentioned last time was having a  a second um silence detection.


Uh so one of the ideas that you had mentioned last time was having a  a second um silence detection.

uh so the third and the fifth line of the table


uh so the third and the fifth line of the table


Um yeah so it seems f for the  the well match and mismatched condition it 's uh it brings something. Uh but uh actually apparently there are  there 's no room left for any silence detector at the server side because of the delay. Uh well


Except I don't know because they  I think they are still working well.


Except I don't know because they  I think they are still working well.

Uh t two days ago they were still working on this trying to reduce the delay of the silence detector so but yeah if we had time perhaps we could try to find uh some kind of compromise between the delay that 's on the handset and on the server side. Perhaps try to reduce the delay on the handset and  but well hmm For the moment they have this large delay on the  the feature computation and so we don't


Except I don't know because they  I think they are still working well.

Uh t two days ago they were still working on this trying to reduce the delay of the silence detector so but yeah if we had time perhaps we could try to find uh some kind of compromise between the delay that 's on the handset and on the server side. Perhaps try to reduce the delay on the handset and  but well hmm For the moment they have this large delay on the  the feature computation and so we don't

OK. So Alright so for now at least that 's not there you have some results with low - pass filter cepstrum doesn't have a huge effect but it  but it looks like it you know maybe could help in a couple places.


Uh t two days ago they were still working on this trying to reduce the delay of the silence detector so but yeah if we had time perhaps we could try to find uh some kind of compromise between the delay that 's on the handset and on the server side. Perhaps try to reduce the delay on the handset and  but well hmm For the moment they have this large delay on the  the feature computation and so we don't

OK. So Alright so for now at least that 's not there you have some results with low - pass filter cepstrum doesn't have a huge effect but it  but it looks like it you know maybe could help in a couple places.


OK. So Alright so for now at least that 's not there you have some results with low - pass filter cepstrum doesn't have a huge effect but it  but it looks like it you know maybe could help in a couple places.


Um and um um Yeah and uh let 's see What else did we have in there ? Uh I guess it makes a l um at this point this is I  I guess I should probably look at these others a little bit uh And you  you yellowed these out uh but uh uh Oh I see yeah that  that one you can't use because of the delay. Those look pretty good. Um let 's see that one Well even the  just the  the second row doesn't look that bad right ? That 's just uh yeah ?


Um and um um Yeah and uh let 's see What else did we have in there ? Uh I guess it makes a l um at this point this is I  I guess I should probably look at these others a little bit uh And you  you yellowed these out uh but uh uh Oh I see yeah that  that one you can't use because of the delay. Those look pretty good. Um let 's see that one Well even the  just the  the second row doesn't look that bad right ? That 's just uh yeah ?

And  and that looks like an interesting one too.


And  and that looks like an interesting one too.


And  and that looks like an interesting one too.

Actually the  yeah the second line is uh pretty much like the first line in yellow except that we don't have this KLT on the first  on the left part of the diagram. We just have the features as they are.


Actually the  yeah the second line is uh pretty much like the first line in yellow except that we don't have this KLT on the first  on the left part of the diagram. We just have the features as they are.


Actually the  yeah the second line is uh pretty much like the first line in yellow except that we don't have this KLT on the first  on the left part of the diagram. We just have the features as they are.

Yeah. Yeah so when we do this weighted measure we should compare the two cuz it might even come out better. And it 's  it 's  it 's a little  slightly simpler.


Yeah. Yeah so when we do this weighted measure we should compare the two cuz it might even come out better. And it 's  it 's  it 's a little  slightly simpler.


Yeah. Yeah so when we do this weighted measure we should compare the two cuz it might even come out better. And it 's  it 's  it 's a little  slightly simpler.

So  so there 's  so I  I would put that one also as a  as a maybe. Uh and it  yeah and it 's actually  does  does significantly better on the uh uh highly mismatched Italian , so s and little worse on the mis on the MM case , but uh Well yeah it 's worse than a few things


So  so there 's  so I  I would put that one also as a  as a maybe. Uh and it  yeah and it 's actually  does  does significantly better on the uh uh highly mismatched Italian , so s and little worse on the mis on the MM case , but uh Well yeah it 's worse than a few things

so uh let 's see how that c that c c see how that comes out on their  their measure and  are  are we running this uh for TI - digits or uh


so uh let 's see how that c that c c see how that comes out on their  their measure and  are  are we running this uh for TI - digits or uh

Now is TI di  is is that part of the result that they get for the uh development  th the results that they 're supposed to get at the end of  end of the month , the TI - digits are there also ?


Now is TI di  is is that part of the result that they get for the uh development  th the results that they 're supposed to get at the end of  end of the month , the TI - digits are there also ?

Oh OK. OK. And see what else there is here. Um Oh I see  the one  I was looking down here at the  the o the row below the lower yellowed one. Uh that 's uh that 's with the reduced uh KLT size  reduced dimensionality.


Oh OK. OK. And see what else there is here. Um Oh I see  the one  I was looking down here at the  the o the row below the lower yellowed one. Uh that 's uh that 's with the reduced uh KLT size  reduced dimensionality.

What happens there is it 's around the same and so you could reduce the dimension as you were saying before a bit perhaps.


Oh OK. OK. And see what else there is here. Um Oh I see  the one  I was looking down here at the  the o the row below the lower yellowed one. Uh that 's uh that 's with the reduced uh KLT size  reduced dimensionality.

What happens there is it 's around the same and so you could reduce the dimension as you were saying before a bit perhaps.

Yeah , it 's  it 's significantly worse well but  Mm - hmm.


What happens there is it 's around the same and so you could reduce the dimension as you were saying before a bit perhaps.

Yeah , it 's  it 's significantly worse well but  Mm - hmm.

It 's significantly worse  it 's  it 's uh it 's  it 's mostly worse.


Yeah , it 's  it 's significantly worse well but  Mm - hmm.

It 's significantly worse  it 's  it 's uh it 's  it 's mostly worse.


It 's significantly worse  it 's  it 's uh it 's  it 's mostly worse.


Yeah. But it is little. I mean not  not by a huge amount , I don't know. What are  what are the sizes of any of these sets , I  I 'm  I 'm sure you told me before , but I 've forgotten. So  you know how many words are in uh one of these test sets ?


Um it 's  it depends  well  the well matched is generally larger than the other sets and I think it 's around two thousand or three thousand words perhaps , at least.


Some sets have five hundred sentences , so.


Some sets have five hundred sentences , so.

So the  so the sets  so the test sets are between five hundred and two thousand sentences , let 's say


So the  so the sets  so the test sets are between five hundred and two thousand sentences , let 's say

and each sentence on the average has four or five digits or is it  most of them longer or


and each sentence on the average has four or five digits or is it  most of them longer or

Yeah for the Italian even seven digits y more or less


Yeah for the Italian even seven digits y more or less

but sometime the sentence have only one digit and sometime uh like uh the number of uh credit cards , something like that.


Yeah for the Italian even seven digits y more or less

but sometime the sentence have only one digit and sometime uh like uh the number of uh credit cards , something like that.

Mm - hmm. Right , so between one and sixteen. See the  I mean the reason I 'm asking is  is  is we have all these small differences and I don't know how seriously to take them , right ?


but sometime the sentence have only one digit and sometime uh like uh the number of uh credit cards , something like that.

Mm - hmm. Right , so between one and sixteen. See the  I mean the reason I 'm asking is  is  is we have all these small differences and I don't know how seriously to take them , right ?


but sometime the sentence have only one digit and sometime uh like uh the number of uh credit cards , something like that.

Mm - hmm. Right , so between one and sixteen. See the  I mean the reason I 'm asking is  is  is we have all these small differences and I don't know how seriously to take them , right ?

So uh i if  if you had uh just you know  to give an example , if you had uh um if you had a thousand words then uh a  a tenth of a percent would just be one word ,


Mm - hmm. Right , so between one and sixteen. See the  I mean the reason I 'm asking is  is  is we have all these small differences and I don't know how seriously to take them , right ?

So uh i if  if you had uh just you know  to give an example , if you had uh um if you had a thousand words then uh a  a tenth of a percent would just be one word ,


So uh i if  if you had uh just you know  to give an example , if you had uh um if you had a thousand words then uh a  a tenth of a percent would just be one word ,

right ? So  so it wouldn't mean anything.


right ? So  so it wouldn't mean anything.


um so um yeah it be kind of  I 'd kind of like to know what the sizes of these test sets were actually.


um so um yeah it be kind of  I 'd kind of like to know what the sizes of these test sets were actually.

We could  we could run  run some kind of significance tests


We could  we could run  run some kind of significance tests

Yeah since these  well also just to know the numbers ,


Yeah since these  well also just to know the numbers ,

right. So these  these are word error rates


right. So these  these are word error rates


Yeah we have the result that the output of the HTK


Yeah we have the result that the output of the HTK

The number of  of sentences , no it 's the number isn't.


The number of  of sentences , no it 's the number isn't.

Yeah so anyway if you could just mail out what those numbers are and then  then  that  that be great.


Yeah so anyway if you could just mail out what those numbers are and then  then  that  that be great.


Yeah so anyway if you could just mail out what those numbers are and then  then  that  that be great.

Um  what else is there here ? Um see the second  second from the bottom it says SIL , but this is some different kind of silence or thing or  what was that ?


Um  what else is there here ? Um see the second  second from the bottom it says SIL , but this is some different kind of silence or thing or  what was that ?


It 's only one small experiment to know what happened. To apply also to in include also the  the silence of the MLP we have the fifty - six form and the silence to pick up the silence and we include those.


It 's only one small experiment to know what happened. To apply also to in include also the  the silence of the MLP we have the fifty - six form and the silence to pick up the silence and we include those.

Yes. Uh - huh , uh - huh. The silence plus the KLT output ? Oh so you 're only using the silence.


Yes. Uh - huh , uh - huh. The silence plus the KLT output ? Oh so you 're only using the silence.

No they 're  I think there is this silence in addition to the um KLT outputs


No they 're  I think there is this silence in addition to the um KLT outputs


No they 're  I think there is this silence in addition to the um KLT outputs

it is because we  we  we just keep uh we don't keep all the dimensions after the KLT


it is because we  we  we just keep uh we don't keep all the dimensions after the KLT


it is because we  we  we just keep uh we don't keep all the dimensions after the KLT

and we not s we are not sure if we pick  we have the silence.


and we not s we are not sure if we pick  we have the silence.

So we try to add the silence also in addition to the  these twenty - eight dimensions.


and we not s we are not sure if we pick  we have the silence.

So we try to add the silence also in addition to the  these twenty - eight dimensions.

I see. OK. And what  and what 's OGI forty - five ? The bottom one there ?


and we not s we are not sure if we pick  we have the silence.

So we try to add the silence also in addition to the  these twenty - eight dimensions.

I see. OK. And what  and what 's OGI forty - five ? The bottom one there ?

Uh it 's o it 's OGI two , it 's  so the  th it 's the features from the first line


So we try to add the silence also in addition to the  these twenty - eight dimensions.

I see. OK. And what  and what 's OGI forty - five ? The bottom one there ?

Uh it 's o it 's OGI two , it 's  so the  th it 's the features from the first line


I see. OK. And what  and what 's OGI forty - five ? The bottom one there ?

Uh it 's o it 's OGI two , it 's  so the  th it 's the features from the first line


Uh it 's o it 's OGI two , it 's  so the  th it 's the features from the first line

Right , but I mean what 's the  what does the last row mean ?


Right , but I mean what 's the  what does the last row mean ?

So it 's uh basically this but without the KLT on the  from the left path.


Right , but I mean what 's the  what does the last row mean ?

So it 's uh basically this but without the KLT on the  from the left path.

I thought that was the one  I thought that was the second row. So what 's the difference between the second


Right , but I mean what 's the  what does the last row mean ?

So it 's uh basically this but without the KLT on the  from the left path.

I thought that was the one  I thought that was the second row. So what 's the difference between the second

Uh the second line you don't have this combo stuff so you just


So it 's uh basically this but without the KLT on the  from the left path.

I thought that was the one  I thought that was the second row. So what 's the difference between the second

Uh the second line you don't have this combo stuff so you just


I thought that was the one  I thought that was the second row. So what 's the difference between the second

Uh the second line you don't have this combo stuff so you just


Uh the second line you don't have this combo stuff so you just

So this is like the second line but with  with the combo stuff.


So this is like the second line but with  with the combo stuff.


So this is like the second line but with  with the combo stuff.

And with the  all the output of the combo.


And with the  all the output of the combo.


OK , so  alright so it looks to me  I guess the same  given that we have to take the filt ones out of the  the running because of this delay problem  so it looks to me like the ones you said I agree are  are the ones to look at


OK , so  alright so it looks to me  I guess the same  given that we have to take the filt ones out of the  the running because of this delay problem  so it looks to me like the ones you said I agree are  are the ones to look at

but I just would add the  the  the second row one


but I just would add the  the  the second row one


oh yeah also when  when they 're using this weighting scheme of forty , thirty - five , twenty - five is that on the percentages or on the raw errors ? I guess it 's probably on the percentages right ?


OK. Maybe  maybe they 'll argue about it. Um OK so if we can know what  how many words are in each and then um Dave uh Dave promised to get us something tomorrow which will be there as far as they 've gotten  Friday


and uh how long did it I guess if we 're not doing all these things  if we 're only doing um um I guess since this is development data it 's legitimate to do more than one , right ? I mean ordinarily if  in final test data you don't want to do several and  and take the best


and uh how long did it I guess if we 're not doing all these things  if we 're only doing um um I guess since this is development data it 's legitimate to do more than one , right ? I mean ordinarily if  in final test data you don't want to do several and  and take the best

that 's  that 's  that 's not proper but if this is development data we could still look at a couple.


and uh how long did it I guess if we 're not doing all these things  if we 're only doing um um I guess since this is development data it 's legitimate to do more than one , right ? I mean ordinarily if  in final test data you don't want to do several and  and take the best

that 's  that 's  that 's not proper but if this is development data we could still look at a couple.

Yeah. We can  yeah. Sure. But we have to decide  I mean we have to fix the system on this d on this data , to choose the best


that 's  that 's  that 's not proper but if this is development data we could still look at a couple.

Yeah. We can  yeah. Sure. But we have to decide  I mean we have to fix the system on this d on this data , to choose the best


Yeah. We can  yeah. Sure. But we have to decide  I mean we have to fix the system on this d on this data , to choose the best

But the question is when  when do we fix the system ,


But the question is when  when do we fix the system ,


But the question is when  when do we fix the system ,

do we fix the system uh tomorrow or do we fix the system on Tuesday ?


do we fix the system uh tomorrow or do we fix the system on Tuesday ?

I  Yeah , OK except that we do have to write it up.


do we fix the system uh tomorrow or do we fix the system on Tuesday ?

I  Yeah , OK except that we do have to write it up.

I think we fixed on Tuesday , yeah. Yeah. Mm - hmm. Mm - hmm.


I  Yeah , OK except that we do have to write it up.

I think we fixed on Tuesday , yeah. Yeah. Mm - hmm. Mm - hmm.


I think we fixed on Tuesday , yeah. Yeah. Mm - hmm. Mm - hmm.


Uh yeah well. Well basically it 's this with perhaps some kind of printing and some  some other @ @.


Uh yeah well. Well basically it 's this with perhaps some kind of printing and some  some other @ @.

Right so maybe what we do is we  we  we uh as soon as we get the data from them we start the training and so forth


Uh yeah well. Well basically it 's this with perhaps some kind of printing and some  some other @ @.

Right so maybe what we do is we  we  we uh as soon as we get the data from them we start the training and so forth

but we start the write - up right away because as you say there  there 's only minor differences between these.


Right so maybe what we do is we  we  we uh as soon as we get the data from them we start the training and so forth

but we start the write - up right away because as you say there  there 's only minor differences between these.

I think you  we could  we could start soon , yeah.


but we start the write - up right away because as you say there  there 's only minor differences between these.

I think you  we could  we could start soon , yeah.


I think you  we could  we could start soon , yeah.

Yeah , and  and I  I would  you know , I would  I 'd kind of like to see it


Yeah , and  and I  I would  you know , I would  I 'd kind of like to see it


Yeah , and  and I  I would  you know , I would  I 'd kind of like to see it

maybe I can  I can edit it a bit uh sure. The  my  what in this si i in this situation is my forte which is English.


maybe I can  I can edit it a bit uh sure. The  my  what in this si i in this situation is my forte which is English.


uh H yeah. Have y have you seen alt d do they have a format for how they want the system descriptions or anything ?


uh H yeah. Have y have you seen alt d do they have a format for how they want the system descriptions or anything ?

Um There is the format of the table which is  quite impressive.


Um There is the format of the table which is  quite impressive.

Yeah ? Uh I see. Yes , for those who are listening to this and not looking at it uh it 's not really that impressive , it 's just tiny. It 's all these little categories set a , set b , set c , multi - condition , clean. Uh No mitigation. Wow. Do you know what no  what no mitigation means here ?


Um There is the format of the table which is  quite impressive.

Yeah ? Uh I see. Yes , for those who are listening to this and not looking at it uh it 's not really that impressive , it 's just tiny. It 's all these little categories set a , set b , set c , multi - condition , clean. Uh No mitigation. Wow. Do you know what no  what no mitigation means here ?

Um it should be the the problem with the error  channel error


Yeah ? Uh I see. Yes , for those who are listening to this and not looking at it uh it 's not really that impressive , it 's just tiny. It 's all these little categories set a , set b , set c , multi - condition , clean. Uh No mitigation. Wow. Do you know what no  what no mitigation means here ?

Um it should be the the problem with the error  channel error


Um it should be the the problem with the error  channel error


huh ? Oh this is i right , it says right above here channel  channel error resilience ,


huh ? Oh this is i right , it says right above here channel  channel error resilience ,

yeah. So recognition performance is just the top part , actually. Uh and they have  yes , split between seen databases and non - seen so basically between development and  and evaluation.


yeah. So recognition performance is just the top part , actually. Uh and they have  yes , split between seen databases and non - seen so basically between development and  and evaluation.

And  so  right , it 's presumed there 's all sorts of tuning that 's gone on on the see what they call seen databases and there won't be tuning for the uh unseen. Multi - condition  multi - condition. So they have  looks like they have uh uh


And  so  right , it 's presumed there 's all sorts of tuning that 's gone on on the see what they call seen databases and there won't be tuning for the uh unseen. Multi - condition  multi - condition. So they have  looks like they have uh uh

so they splitting up between the TI - digits and everything else , I see. So the everything else is the SpeechDat - Car , that 's the multi multilingual


And  so  right , it 's presumed there 's all sorts of tuning that 's gone on on the see what they call seen databases and there won't be tuning for the uh unseen. Multi - condition  multi - condition. So they have  looks like they have uh uh

so they splitting up between the TI - digits and everything else , I see. So the everything else is the SpeechDat - Car , that 's the multi multilingual

Yeah , so it 's not divided between languages you mean or


so they splitting up between the TI - digits and everything else , I see. So the everything else is the SpeechDat - Car , that 's the multi multilingual

Yeah , so it 's not divided between languages you mean or


Yeah , so it 's not divided between languages you mean or

It is , but there 's also  there 's these tables over here for the  for the TI - digits and these tables over here for the car data which is  which is I guess all the multilingual stuff


It is , but there 's also  there 's these tables over here for the  for the TI - digits and these tables over here for the car data which is  which is I guess all the multilingual stuff


It is , but there 's also  there 's these tables over here for the  for the TI - digits and these tables over here for the car data which is  which is I guess all the multilingual stuff

and then uh there 's  they also split up between multi - condition and clean only.


and then uh there 's  they also split up between multi - condition and clean only.


and then uh there 's  they also split up between multi - condition and clean only.

Yeah , actually yeah. For the TI - digits they want to train on clean and on noisy


Yeah , actually yeah. For the TI - digits they want to train on clean and on noisy


Uh yeah. But uh we actually  do we have the features ? Yeah. For the clean TI - digits but we did not test it yet. Uh the clean training stuff.


Uh yeah. But uh we actually  do we have the features ? Yeah. For the clean TI - digits but we did not test it yet. Uh the clean training stuff.

Well anyway , sounds like there 'll be a lot to do just to  work with our partners to fill out the tables  over the next uh next few days


Well anyway , sounds like there 'll be a lot to do just to  work with our partners to fill out the tables  over the next uh next few days


Well anyway , sounds like there 'll be a lot to do just to  work with our partners to fill out the tables  over the next uh next few days

I guess they have to send it out  let 's see the thirty - first is uh uh Wednesday and I think the  it has to be there by some hour uh European time on Wednesday


I guess they have to send it out  let 's see the thirty - first is uh uh Wednesday and I think the  it has to be there by some hour uh European time on Wednesday


I guess they have to send it out  let 's see the thirty - first is uh uh Wednesday and I think the  it has to be there by some hour uh European time on Wednesday

We lost time uh Wednesday maybe because  that the difference in the time may be  is a long different of the time.


We lost time uh Wednesday maybe because  that the difference in the time may be  is a long different of the time.


We lost time uh Wednesday maybe because  that the difference in the time may be  is a long different of the time.

Maybe the Thursday the twelfth of the night of the Thurs - thirty - one is  is not valid in Europe.


Maybe the Thursday the twelfth of the night of the Thurs - thirty - one is  is not valid in Europe.


Maybe the Thursday the twelfth of the night of the Thurs - thirty - one is  is not valid in Europe.

Yes , so I mean  I think we have to actually get it done Tuesday


Yes , so I mean  I think we have to actually get it done Tuesday


Except if  if it 's the thirty - one at midnight or I don't know  we can  still do some work on Wednesday morning.


Except if  if it 's the thirty - one at midnight or I don't know  we can  still do some work on Wednesday morning.

yeah well. W i is but is  is it midni I thought it was actually something like five PM on


yeah well. W i is but is  is it midni I thought it was actually something like five PM on


was like  I thought it was five PM or something , I didn't think it was midnight. I thought they said they wanted everything by


Alright , that 's six in the morning here.


Alright , that 's six in the morning here.

No , we are wondering about the  the  the hour that we have to eh I don't know if it 's three PM  it 's


No , we are wondering about the  the  the hour that we have to eh I don't know if it 's three PM  it 's

Oh yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah. Three PM here is in Europe midnight.


No , we are wondering about the  the  the hour that we have to eh I don't know if it 's three PM  it 's

Oh yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah. Three PM here is in Europe midnight.

Yes , yes , but I didn't think it was midnight that it was due , I thought it was due at some hour during the day like five PM or something.


Oh yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah. Three PM here is in Europe midnight.

Yes , yes , but I didn't think it was midnight that it was due , I thought it was due at some hour during the day like five PM or something.


Yes , yes , but I didn't think it was midnight that it was due , I thought it was due at some hour during the day like five PM or something.


so I  I  uh well we should look but my assumption is that we basically have to be done Tuesday. Um so then next Thursday we can sort of have a little aftermath


so I  I  uh well we should look but my assumption is that we basically have to be done Tuesday. Um so then next Thursday we can sort of have a little aftermath

but then  then we 'll actually have the new data which is the German and the Danish


but then  then we 'll actually have the new data which is the German and the Danish

but that really will be much less work because uh the system will be fixed


but that really will be much less work because uh the system will be fixed

so all we 'll do is take whatever  they have and  and uh and run it through the process.


so all we 'll do is take whatever  they have and  and uh and run it through the process.

Uh we won't be changing the training on anything


Uh we won't be changing the training on anything

so there 'll be no new training , there 'll just be new HTK runs , so that 's means in some sense we can kind of relax from this after  after Tuesday and  and uh maybe next meeting we can start talking a little bit about where we want to go from here uh in terms of uh the research.


so there 'll be no new training , there 'll just be new HTK runs , so that 's means in some sense we can kind of relax from this after  after Tuesday and  and uh maybe next meeting we can start talking a little bit about where we want to go from here uh in terms of uh the research.

Um you know what things uh did you think of when you were uh doing this process that uh you just didn't really have time to adequately work on uh uh so


Um you know what things uh did you think of when you were uh doing this process that uh you just didn't really have time to adequately work on uh uh so


Um you know what things uh did you think of when you were uh doing this process that uh you just didn't really have time to adequately work on uh uh so

Oh , Stephane always has these great ideas and  oh , but uh we don't have time.


Oh , Stephane always has these great ideas and  oh , but uh we don't have time.


But they 're ideas. Yeah ? Oh , that was good.


But they 're ideas. Yeah ? Oh , that was good.

And  and uh also it 's still true that uh I think it 's true that  that we  we at least got fairly consistent i improved results by running uh the uh neural net transformation in parallel with the features


And  and uh also it 's still true that uh I think it 's true that  that we  we at least got fairly consistent i improved results by running uh the uh neural net transformation in parallel with the features


And  and uh also it 's still true that uh I think it 's true that  that we  we at least got fairly consistent i improved results by running uh the uh neural net transformation in parallel with the features

rather than uh in sequence which was  was your suggestion and that  that  that seems to have been borne out.


rather than uh in sequence which was  was your suggestion and that  that  that seems to have been borne out.

The fact that none of these are  are  you know , enormous is  is  is not too surprising  most improvements aren't enormous and  uh


The fact that none of these are  are  you know , enormous is  is  is not too surprising  most improvements aren't enormous and  uh

some of them are but uh I mean you have something really really wrong  and you fix it  you can get big and really enormous improvements


some of them are but uh I mean you have something really really wrong  and you fix it  you can get big and really enormous improvements

but  uh  um Cuz our best improvements over the years that we 've gotten from finding bugs , but Anyway OK well I  I think  I see where we are and everybody knows what they 're doing and is there  is there anything else we should talk about or  or  are we done ?


some of them are but uh I mean you have something really really wrong  and you fix it  you can get big and really enormous improvements

but  uh  um Cuz our best improvements over the years that we 've gotten from finding bugs , but Anyway OK well I  I think  I see where we are and everybody knows what they 're doing and is there  is there anything else we should talk about or  or  are we done ?

Mm - hmm. I think it 's OK um. We so basically we will  I think we 'll try to  to focus on these three architectures and  and perhaps I was thinking also a fourth one with just  just a single KLT because we did not really test that


but  uh  um Cuz our best improvements over the years that we 've gotten from finding bugs , but Anyway OK well I  I think  I see where we are and everybody knows what they 're doing and is there  is there anything else we should talk about or  or  are we done ?

Mm - hmm. I think it 's OK um. We so basically we will  I think we 'll try to  to focus on these three architectures and  and perhaps I was thinking also a fourth one with just  just a single KLT because we did not really test that


but  uh  um Cuz our best improvements over the years that we 've gotten from finding bugs , but Anyway OK well I  I think  I see where we are and everybody knows what they 're doing and is there  is there anything else we should talk about or  or  are we done ?

Mm - hmm. I think it 's OK um. We so basically we will  I think we 'll try to  to focus on these three architectures and  and perhaps I was thinking also a fourth one with just  just a single KLT because we did not really test that

removing all these KLT 's and putting one single KLT at the end.


Mm - hmm. I think it 's OK um. We so basically we will  I think we 'll try to  to focus on these three architectures and  and perhaps I was thinking also a fourth one with just  just a single KLT because we did not really test that

removing all these KLT 's and putting one single KLT at the end.

Yeah , I mean that would be pretty low maintenance to try it.


removing all these KLT 's and putting one single KLT at the end.

Yeah , I mean that would be pretty low maintenance to try it.


Yeah , I mean that would be pretty low maintenance to try it.


Oh I have  yeah I do have one other piece of information which uh I should tell people outside of this group too uh I don't know if we 're gonna need it uh but uh Jeff up at the uh University of Washington has uh gotten a hold of a uh uh some kind of server farm of uh of ten uh uh multiprocessor uh IBM machines RS six thousands


Oh I have  yeah I do have one other piece of information which uh I should tell people outside of this group too uh I don't know if we 're gonna need it uh but uh Jeff up at the uh University of Washington has uh gotten a hold of a uh uh some kind of server farm of uh of ten uh uh multiprocessor uh IBM machines RS six thousands

and  and uh so I think each one is four processors or something or  I don't know , eight hundred megahertz or something and there 's four processors in a box and there 's ten boxes and there 's some kind of ti so if  you know he 's got a lot of processing power and um we 'd have to schedule it but if we have some big jobs and we wanna  wanna  wanna run them he 's  he 's offering it.


and  and uh so I think each one is four processors or something or  I don't know , eight hundred megahertz or something and there 's four processors in a box and there 's ten boxes and there 's some kind of ti so if  you know he 's got a lot of processing power and um we 'd have to schedule it but if we have some big jobs and we wanna  wanna  wanna run them he 's  he 's offering it.

So. It 's uh when he was here eh uh he  he used i not only every machine here but every machine on campus as far as I could tell , so  so in some ways he just got his payback , but uh again I  I don't know if we 'll end up with  if we 're gonna be CPU limited on anything that we 're doing in this group


So. It 's uh when he was here eh uh he  he used i not only every machine here but every machine on campus as far as I could tell , so  so in some ways he just got his payback , but uh again I  I don't know if we 'll end up with  if we 're gonna be CPU limited on anything that we 're doing in this group

but  but if  if we are that 's an offer. OK well uh you guys doing great stuff so that 's  that  that 's really neat and uh we 'll uh uh g don't think we need to uh um Oh well the other thing I guess that I will say is that uh the digits that we 're gonna record momentarily is starting to get  are starting to get into a pretty good size collection and um in addition to the SpeechDat stuff we will have those to work with really pretty soon now so that 's  that 's another source of data. Um which is s under somewhat better control and that we can  we can make measurements of the room the  uh that  you know if we feel there 's other measurements we don't have that we 'd like to have we can make them and uh Dave and I were just talking about that a little while ago so uh that 's another  another possibility for this  this kind of work.


but  but if  if we are that 's an offer. OK well uh you guys doing great stuff so that 's  that  that 's really neat and uh we 'll uh uh g don't think we need to uh um Oh well the other thing I guess that I will say is that uh the digits that we 're gonna record momentarily is starting to get  are starting to get into a pretty good size collection and um in addition to the SpeechDat stuff we will have those to work with really pretty soon now so that 's  that 's another source of data. Um which is s under somewhat better control and that we can  we can make measurements of the room the  uh that  you know if we feel there 's other measurements we don't have that we 'd like to have we can make them and uh Dave and I were just talking about that a little while ago so uh that 's another  another possibility for this  this kind of work.

K , uh if nobody has anything else maybe we should go around do  do our digits  do our digits duty. OK. OK I 'll start. Uh , let me say that again. OK. I guess we 're done.


Yeah. Yeah I received an email so I thought I I can't mail you so I thought I'd just drop it in the folder , but


I think you have to uh change your desktop uh


Okay. Where do I find this ? I'm not so g display huh ?


Yeah my computer is not functioning properly.


Yeah my computer is not functioning properly.

Did you plug in the power cable when you come back ?


Yeah my computer is not functioning properly.

Did you plug in the power cable when you come back ?

Yeah yeah. No but my screen is reduced in size.


Did you plug in the power cable when you come back ?

Yeah yeah. No but my screen is reduced in size.


Yeah yeah. No but my screen is reduced in size.


. So it doesn't draw the attention away.


Yeah.  No that's okay. No I just flapped it , closed it , took it here and then this happened. Ah. Uh  where was it ? In settings ? Okay. Alright. Thank you.


I spent a lot of time thinking about what I was gonna do and then a couple of minutes before this I get my function you know the information that I need.


I spent a lot of time thinking about what I was gonna do and then a couple of minutes before this I get my function you know the information that I need.

Yeah wa wa you actually  Yeah. But it it's not clear what you have to to to type uh type in your presentation.


Yeah wa wa you actually  Yeah. But it it's not clear what you have to to to type uh type in your presentation.


Yeah. I I had a whole idea and then just was typing it and then oh. I have to do that so switch.


Yeah. I I had a whole idea and then just was typing it and then oh. I have to do that so switch.

Yeah  Yeah exactly. This presentation is mainly based on my own ideas 'cause I hadn't time to intergrate tha the information yet so


Yeah  Yeah exactly. This presentation is mainly based on my own ideas 'cause I hadn't time to intergrate tha the information yet so


Okay this is the agenda. Um we have three presentations , I heard.


Functional ? Yeah functional requirements.


Functional ? Yeah functional requirements.

Alright. I'm gonna talk about functional requirements. Um  Well uh some research has be done uh has been done. Uh observing of one hundred uh subjects in the usability lab using a remote control. Uh and they also filled in a questionnaire. The findings were um , well you can see them for yourself. They disliked the look-and-feel of current remotes controls.  Users think they're ugly. Um  they do not match the the operating behaviour of the users. So they they d they don't match what they want to have on it. Um  they are often lost somewhere in the room. Um it takes too much time to learn how to use a new remote control. And they're bad for R_S_I_.  I don't know uh how a user can reach that but okay. Um


Alright. I'm gonna talk about functional requirements. Um  Well uh some research has be done uh has been done. Uh observing of one hundred uh subjects in the usability lab using a remote control. Uh and they also filled in a questionnaire. The findings were um , well you can see them for yourself. They disliked the look-and-feel of current remotes controls.  Users think they're ugly. Um  they do not match the the operating behaviour of the users. So they they d they don't match what they want to have on it. Um  they are often lost somewhere in the room. Um it takes too much time to learn how to use a new remote control. And they're bad for R_S_I_.  I don't know uh how a user can reach that but okay. Um

there is also uh was also some research on uh the most relevant and and and irrelevant uh f functions. Uh most irrelevant and less used were audio settings , mono , stereo , uh pitch , bass. Um screen settings for brightness and colour and stuff like that. Um but they are used. I mean the


there is also uh was also some research on uh the most relevant and and and irrelevant uh f functions. Uh most irrelevant and less used were audio settings , mono , stereo , uh pitch , bass. Um screen settings for brightness and colour and stuff like that. Um but they are used. I mean the


there is also uh was also some research on uh the most relevant and and and irrelevant uh f functions. Uh most irrelevant and less used were audio settings , mono , stereo , uh pitch , bass. Um screen settings for brightness and colour and stuff like that. Um but they are used. I mean the

Yeah they do need to be on the on the remote control.


Yeah they do need to be on the on the remote control.


Yeah they do need to be on the on the remote control.

I mean if you can't control the the sound settings  I mean if you dislike a very uh loud bass or something , you you need to change that.


I mean if you can't control the the sound settings  I mean if you dislike a very uh loud bass or something , you you need to change that.


I mean if you can't control the the sound settings  I mean if you dislike a very uh loud bass or something , you you need to change that.

By the way my T_V_ doesn't have an equ equaliser but


By the way my T_V_ doesn't have an equ equaliser but


but we we can leave them uh away. Uh most relevant , uh most used functions , uh they speak for themselves I guess. Uh power button , uh channel , volume selection. Uh teletext but we can skip that because I saw the newsflash , and teletext is so outdated that it it's i should not be used uh any more in the future.


Uh channel settings , so for programming uh your channels in in the right order.


Uh channel settings , so for programming uh your channels in in the right order.

By the way where did you guys get that newsflash from ?


By the way where did you guys get that newsflash from ?


Yeah. Not by mail. I receiv the mail but you don't. So


Yeah. Not by mail. I receiv the mail but you don't. So

But you you've got more information than  uh.


Yeah. Not by mail. I receiv the mail but you don't. So

But you you've got more information than  uh.

No so it's a text file n in the project folder. So teletext can be skipped.


But you you've got more information than  uh.

No so it's a text file n in the project folder. So teletext can be skipped.


No so it's a text file n in the project folder. So teletext can be skipped.

Um there was some research on new features in a remote control. Uh about an L_C_D_ screen uh and speech recognition. Well we got an update for the for the audience. Or the the the targeted group. So it's above forty I guess.


Um there was some research on new features in a remote control. Uh about an L_C_D_ screen uh and speech recognition. Well we got an update for the for the audience. Or the the the targeted group. So it's above forty I guess.


Our current customers are in the age group forty plus.


Our current customers are in the age group forty plus.

And the new product should reach new markets , which is the customers below forty.


And the new product should reach new markets , which is the customers below forty.

But where did you get uh that information ?


But where did you get uh that information ?


okay that's a good to know. Um because you see see a clear distinction between the age groups , concerning the features.


okay that's a good to know. Um because you see see a clear distinction between the age groups , concerning the features.

I mean uh above forty people are not so interested uh not so interested in a screen or speech recognition. Uh but below that age they uh they pretty much are. So I think we can build that in. Um  Yeah well we can skip this part as well , because I thought I read above forty so we could skip the features , but we just have to build them in because uh they find it very interesting. Um well we have to keep all the classic functions but make the buttons as user-friendly as possible. Um and and also there's  so not only the design of the bus uh buttons but o how you can push them , and stuff like that. So the physical uh aspect of it. Um  And I think  and certainly for for the for the lower age groups , uh nice design , which uh does not make the remote control  in your room.


I mean uh above forty people are not so interested uh not so interested in a screen or speech recognition. Uh but below that age they uh they pretty much are. So I think we can build that in. Um  Yeah well we can skip this part as well , because I thought I read above forty so we could skip the features , but we just have to build them in because uh they find it very interesting. Um well we have to keep all the classic functions but make the buttons as user-friendly as possible. Um and and also there's  so not only the design of the bus uh buttons but o how you can push them , and stuff like that. So the physical uh aspect of it. Um  And I think  and certainly for for the for the lower age groups , uh nice design , which uh does not make the remote control  in your room.

It's it's actually a part of your interior , of of your design in your room. So it's  the people can say , well what's that , well that's my remote control , so it's d it has to look nice and feel nice , and and have all the functions that uh


I mean uh above forty people are not so interested uh not so interested in a screen or speech recognition. Uh but below that age they uh they pretty much are. So I think we can build that in. Um  Yeah well we can skip this part as well , because I thought I read above forty so we could skip the features , but we just have to build them in because uh they find it very interesting. Um well we have to keep all the classic functions but make the buttons as user-friendly as possible. Um and and also there's  so not only the design of the bus uh buttons but o how you can push them , and stuff like that. So the physical uh aspect of it. Um  And I think  and certainly for for the for the lower age groups , uh nice design , which uh does not make the remote control  in your room.

It's it's actually a part of your interior , of of your design in your room. So it's  the people can say , well what's that , well that's my remote control , so it's d it has to look nice and feel nice , and and have all the functions that uh

Yeah. But it also needs to have corporate identity.