But you may not need a separate room , you know ,

the idea is , if they have a meeting room and they can guarantee that the equipment will be safe and so forth , and if one of us is up there once a week to record the meeting or something


the idea is , if they have a meeting room and they can guarantee that the equipment will be safe and so forth , and if one of us is up there once a week to record the meeting or something


the idea is , if they have a meeting room and they can guarantee that the equipment will be safe and so forth , and if one of us is up there once a week to record the meeting or something

Well , maybe John would let us put it into the phonology lab or something.


Well , maybe John would let us put it into the phonology lab or something.


I  I think it 's not out of the question.


I  I think it 's not out of the question.

Yeah , I think it would be interesting because then we could regularly get another meeting.


Yeah , I think it would be interesting because then we could regularly get another meeting.


But I  I  I think you need , uh , another portable thing a another portable equipment to  to do , eh , more e easier the recording process , eh , out from ICSI.


Eh , if you  you want to  to record , eh , a seminar or a class , eh , in the university , you  you need   It - it would be eh eh very difficult to  to put ,  eh , a lot of , eh , head phones eh in different people when you have to  to record only with , eh , this kind of , eh , d device.


Eh , if you  you want to  to record , eh , a seminar or a class , eh , in the university , you  you need   It - it would be eh eh very difficult to  to put ,  eh , a lot of , eh , head phones eh in different people when you have to  to record only with , eh , this kind of , eh , d device.

Yeah , but  I think if we  if we wanna just record with the tabletop microphones , that 's easy.


Yeah , but  I think if we  if we wanna just record with the tabletop microphones , that 's easy.


but that 's not the corpus that we 're collecting.


but that 's not the corpus that we 're collecting.

Actually , that 's a int that raises an interesting point that came up in our discussion that 's maybe worth repeating. We realized that , um , when we were talking about this that , OK , there 's these different things that we want to do with it. So , um , it 's true that we wanna be selective in some ways , uh , the way that you were speaking about with , uh , not having an interlingua and uh , these other issues. But on the other hand , it 's not necessarily true that we need all of the corpus to satisfy all of it. So , a a as per the example that we wanna have a fair amount that 's done with a small n recorded with a small , uh , typ number of types of meetings But we can also have another part that 's , uh , just one or two meetings of each of a  of a range of them and that 's OK too. Uh , i We realized in discussion that the other thing is , what about this business of distant and close microphones ? I mean , we really wanna have a substantial amount recorded this way , that 's why we did it. But  what about  For th for these issues of summarization , a lot of these higher level things you don't really need the distant microphone.


Actually , that 's a int that raises an interesting point that came up in our discussion that 's maybe worth repeating. We realized that , um , when we were talking about this that , OK , there 's these different things that we want to do with it. So , um , it 's true that we wanna be selective in some ways , uh , the way that you were speaking about with , uh , not having an interlingua and uh , these other issues. But on the other hand , it 's not necessarily true that we need all of the corpus to satisfy all of it. So , a a as per the example that we wanna have a fair amount that 's done with a small n recorded with a small , uh , typ number of types of meetings But we can also have another part that 's , uh , just one or two meetings of each of a  of a range of them and that 's OK too. Uh , i We realized in discussion that the other thing is , what about this business of distant and close microphones ? I mean , we really wanna have a substantial amount recorded this way , that 's why we did it. But  what about  For th for these issues of summarization , a lot of these higher level things you don't really need the distant microphone.

And you don't really need the close microphone , you mean.


And you don't really need the close microphone , you mean.


And you don't really need the close microphone , you mean.

Yea - yeah yeah , you actually don't really even need any fancy microphone.


Yea - yeah yeah , you actually don't really even need any fancy microphone.


Yea - yeah yeah , you actually don't really even need any fancy microphone.

You d You don't ne it doesn't  you just need some microphone , somewhere.


You d You don't ne it doesn't  you just need some microphone , somewhere.


use  Um , but I think that any  data that we spend a lot of effort  to collect ,


use  Um , but I think that any  data that we spend a lot of effort  to collect ,

you know , each person who 's interested in  I mean , we have a cou we have a bunch of different , um , slants and perspectives on what it 's useful for , um , they need to be taking charge of making sure they 're getting enough of the kind of data that they want.


you know , each person who 's interested in  I mean , we have a cou we have a bunch of different , um , slants and perspectives on what it 's useful for , um , they need to be taking charge of making sure they 're getting enough of the kind of data that they want.

And  So in my case , um , I think there w there is enough data for some kinds of projects and not enough for others.


And  So in my case , um , I think there w there is enough data for some kinds of projects and not enough for others.

And so  I 'm looking and thinking , " Well I 'd be glad to walk over and record people and so  forth if it 's  to help th in my interest. "


And so  I 'm looking and thinking , " Well I 'd be glad to walk over and record people and so  forth if it 's  to help th in my interest. "

And other people need to do that for themselves , uh , h or at least discuss it so that we can find some optimal


And other people need to do that for themselves , uh , h or at least discuss it so that we can find some optimal


And other people need to do that for themselves , uh , h or at least discuss it so that we can find some optimal

But I think that  I 'm raising that cuz I think it 's relevant exactly for this idea up there that if you think about , " Well , gee , we have this really complicated setup to do , " well maybe you don't.


But I think that  I 'm raising that cuz I think it 's relevant exactly for this idea up there that if you think about , " Well , gee , we have this really complicated setup to do , " well maybe you don't.


But I think that  I 'm raising that cuz I think it 's relevant exactly for this idea up there that if you think about , " Well , gee , we have this really complicated setup to do , " well maybe you don't.

Maybe if  if  If really all you want is to have a  a  a recording that 's good enough to get a   uh , a transcription from later , you just need to grab a tape recorder and go up and make a recording.


Maybe if  if  If really all you want is to have a  a  a recording that 's good enough to get a   uh , a transcription from later , you just need to grab a tape recorder and go up and make a recording.


Maybe if  if  If really all you want is to have a  a  a recording that 's good enough to get a   uh , a transcription from later , you just need to grab a tape recorder and go up and make a recording.

I mean , we  we could have a fairly  We could just get a DAT machine and


I mean , we  we could have a fairly  We could just get a DAT machine and

Well , I agree with  Jane , though , on the other hand that


I mean , we  we could have a fairly  We could just get a DAT machine and

Well , I agree with  Jane , though , on the other hand that

So that might be true , you may say for instance , summarization , or something that sounds very language oriented. You may say well , " Oh yeah , you just do that from transcripts of a radio show. " I mean , you don't even need the speech signal.


Well , I agree with  Jane , though , on the other hand that

So that might be true , you may say for instance , summarization , or something that sounds very language oriented. You may say well , " Oh yeah , you just do that from transcripts of a radio show. " I mean , you don't even need the speech signal.


So that might be true , you may say for instance , summarization , or something that sounds very language oriented. You may say well , " Oh yeah , you just do that from transcripts of a radio show. " I mean , you don't even need the speech signal.

But what you  what I was thinking is long term what would be neat is to be able to pick up on um  Suppose you just had a distant microphone there and you really wanted to be able to determine this. There 's lots of cues you 're not gonna have.


But what you  what I was thinking is long term what would be neat is to be able to pick up on um  Suppose you just had a distant microphone there and you really wanted to be able to determine this. There 's lots of cues you 're not gonna have.


But what you  what I was thinking is long term what would be neat is to be able to pick up on um  Suppose you just had a distant microphone there and you really wanted to be able to determine this. There 's lots of cues you 're not gonna have.

So I  do think that long term you should always try to satisfy the greatest number of  of interests and have this parallel information , which is really what makes this corpus powerful.


So I  do think that long term you should always try to satisfy the greatest number of  of interests and have this parallel information , which is really what makes this corpus powerful.


Otherwise , you know , lots of other sites can propose  individual studies , so


Otherwise , you know , lots of other sites can propose  individual studies , so

Uh but I  I think that the uh  i We can't really underestimate the difficulty  shouldn't really u underestimate the difficulty of getting a setup like this up.


Otherwise , you know , lots of other sites can propose  individual studies , so

Uh but I  I think that the uh  i We can't really underestimate the difficulty  shouldn't really u underestimate the difficulty of getting a setup like this up.

And so ,  uh it took quite a while to get that together and to say , " Oh , we 'll just do it up there , "


Uh but I  I think that the uh  i We can't really underestimate the difficulty  shouldn't really u underestimate the difficulty of getting a setup like this up.

And so ,  uh it took quite a while to get that together and to say , " Oh , we 'll just do it up there , "


And so ,  uh it took quite a while to get that together and to say , " Oh , we 'll just do it up there , "

If you 're talking about something simple , where you throw away a lot of these dimensions , then you can do that right away. Talking about something that has all of these different facets that we have here , it won't happen quickly , it won't be easy , and there 's all sorts of issues about th you know  keeping the equipment safe , or else hauling it around , and all sorts of o


And so ,  uh it took quite a while to get that together and to say , " Oh , we 'll just do it up there , "

If you 're talking about something simple , where you throw away a lot of these dimensions , then you can do that right away. Talking about something that has all of these different facets that we have here , it won't happen quickly , it won't be easy , and there 's all sorts of issues about th you know  keeping the equipment safe , or else hauling it around , and all sorts of o

So then maybe we should   try to bring people here.


If you 're talking about something simple , where you throw away a lot of these dimensions , then you can do that right away. Talking about something that has all of these different facets that we have here , it won't happen quickly , it won't be easy , and there 's all sorts of issues about th you know  keeping the equipment safe , or else hauling it around , and all sorts of o

So then maybe we should   try to bring people here.


If you 're talking about something simple , where you throw away a lot of these dimensions , then you can do that right away. Talking about something that has all of these different facets that we have here , it won't happen quickly , it won't be easy , and there 's all sorts of issues about th you know  keeping the equipment safe , or else hauling it around , and all sorts of o

So then maybe we should   try to bring people here.

I think the first priority should be to pry  to get  try to get people to come here.


So then maybe we should   try to bring people here.

I think the first priority should be to pry  to get  try to get people to come here.


I think the first priority should be to pry  to get  try to get people to come here.


The room is  is really , uh , underused.


I thought the free lunch idea was a great idea.


Yeah , I  And I think we can get people to come here , that  But the issue is you definitely wanna make sure that the kind of group you 're getting is the right group so that you don't waste a lot of your time  and the overhead in bringing people down.


So   Well , it would be  lunch afterwards.


So   Well , it would be  lunch afterwards.

Right. And they 'd have to do their digits or they don't get dessert.


Right. And they 'd have to do their digits or they don't get dessert.


Right. And they 'd have to do their digits or they don't get dessert.

Yeah , they have to do their digits or they don't  get  they don't  get their food.


Yeah , they have to do their digits or they don't  get  they don't  get their food.

Um , I had a  I spoke with some people up at Haas Business School who volunteered.


Um , I had a  I spoke with some people up at Haas Business School who volunteered.


Yeah. So. They  they originally  They 've decided not to do  go into speech.


Yeah. So. They  they originally  They 've decided not to do  go into speech.

So I 'm not sure whether they 'll still be so willing to volunteer , but I 'll send an email and ask.


So I 'm not sure whether they 'll still be so willing to volunteer , but I 'll send an email and ask.


And they 'll say there 's no such thing.


And they 'll say there 's no such thing.

I 'd love to get people that are not linguists or engineers , cuz these are both weird


I 'd love to get people that are not linguists or engineers , cuz these are both weird


That 's alright. No , the they  they 're very weird.


Uh , the  the  They make funny sounds. The o the o the other  The other thing is , uh , that we  we talked about is give to them  uh , burn an extra CD - ROM.


Uh , the  the  They make funny sounds. The o the o the other  The other thing is , uh , that we  we talked about is give to them  uh , burn an extra CD - ROM.

and give them  So if they want a   basically and audio record of their


Uh , the  the  They make funny sounds. The o the o the other  The other thing is , uh , that we  we talked about is give to them  uh , burn an extra CD - ROM.

and give them  So if they want a   basically and audio record of their

Well , I thought that was  I thought he meant , " Give them a music CD , " like they g  Then he said a CD of the  of their speech


and give them  So if they want a   basically and audio record of their

Well , I thought that was  I thought he meant , " Give them a music CD , " like they g  Then he said a CD of the  of their speech


and give them  So if they want a   basically and audio record of their

Well , I thought that was  I thought he meant , " Give them a music CD , " like they g  Then he said a CD of the  of their speech

and I guess it depends of what kind of audience you 're talking to , but   You know , I personally  would not want a  CD  of my meeting ,


Well , I thought that was  I thought he meant , " Give them a music CD , " like they g  Then he said a CD of the  of their speech

and I guess it depends of what kind of audience you 're talking to , but   You know , I personally  would not want a  CD  of my meeting ,


and I guess it depends of what kind of audience you 're talking to , but   You know , I personally  would not want a  CD  of my meeting ,


and I guess it depends of what kind of audience you 're talking to , but   You know , I personally  would not want a  CD  of my meeting ,

If you 're having some planning meeting of some sort and uh you 'd like


If you 're having some planning meeting of some sort and uh you 'd like


If you 're having some planning meeting of some sort and uh you 'd like

It 'd be fun. I think it would just be fun , you know , if nothing else , you know.


It 'd be fun. I think it would just be fun , you know , if nothing else , you know.


But it als It  it  it also I think builds up towards the goal.


But it als It  it  it also I think builds up towards the goal.

We 're saying , " Look , you know , you 're gonna get this. Is - is isn't that neat. Then you 're gonna go home with it. It 's actually p It 's probably gonna be pretty useless to you ,


We 're saying , " Look , you know , you 're gonna get this. Is - is isn't that neat. Then you 're gonna go home with it. It 's actually p It 's probably gonna be pretty useless to you ,

but you 'll ge appreciate , you know , where it 's useful and where it 's useless ,


but you 'll ge appreciate , you know , where it 's useful and where it 's useless ,

and then , we 're gonna move this technology , so it 'll become useful. "


and then , we 're gonna move this technology , so it 'll become useful. "


and then , we 're gonna move this technology , so it 'll become useful. "

No , I think that 's a great idea , actually.


No , I think that 's a great idea , actually.

What if you could tell them that you 'll give them the  the transcripts when they come back ?


No , I think that 's a great idea , actually.

What if you could tell them that you 'll give them the  the transcripts when they come back ?

But we might need a little more to incentivize them ,  that 's all.


What if you could tell them that you 'll give them the  the transcripts when they come back ?

But we might need a little more to incentivize them ,  that 's all.

Oh , yeah. I mean , anyone can have the transcripts. So. I thought we could point that out.


But we might need a little more to incentivize them ,  that 's all.

Oh , yeah. I mean , anyone can have the transcripts. So. I thought we could point that out.


Oh , yeah. I mean , anyone can have the transcripts. So. I thought we could point that out.


I hav I have to uh raise a little eensy - weensy concern about doing th giving them the CD immediately , because of these issues of , you know , this kind of stuff ,  where maybe   You know ?


We could burn it after it 's been cleared with the transcript stage.


We could burn it after it 's been cleared with the transcript stage.

And then they  they get a CD , but just not the same day.


And then they  they get a CD , but just not the same day.


And then they  they get a CD , but just not the same day.

If  It should be the same CD - ROM that we distribute publically ,


If  It should be the same CD - ROM that we distribute publically ,

That 's a good point. Right , it can't be the internal one.


That 's a good point. Right , it can't be the internal one.

Otherwise they 're not allowed to play it for anyone.


Otherwise they 're not allowed to play it for anyone.


Otherwise they 're not allowed to play it for anyone.

Oh , I like that. Well put. Well put. So , after the transcript screening phase.


Oh , I like that. Well put. Well put. So , after the transcript screening phase.


Yeah , that 's right , say  " Yeah , well , I got this CD , and , Your Honor , I  "


Yeah , that 's right , say  " Yeah , well , I got this CD , and , Your Honor , I  "

Yeah so that 's  so let 's start with Haas , and Yeah.


Yeah so that 's  so let 's start with Haas , and Yeah.

Sorry to have to   Sorry I have to  leave.


Sorry to have to   Sorry I have to  leave.


So , uh  Let 's see. So that was that topic , and  then um , I guess another topic would be  where are we in the whole disk resources  question for


So , uh  Let 's see. So that was that topic , and  then um , I guess another topic would be  where are we in the whole disk resources  question for

We are slowly slowly getting to the point where we have uh enough sp room to record meetings. So I uh did a bunch of archiving , and still doing a bunch of archiving , I  I 'm in the midst of doing the P - files from uh ,  Broadcast News. and it took eleven hours   to do  to uh copy it.


So , uh  Let 's see. So that was that topic , and  then um , I guess another topic would be  where are we in the whole disk resources  question for

We are slowly slowly getting to the point where we have uh enough sp room to record meetings. So I uh did a bunch of archiving , and still doing a bunch of archiving , I  I 'm in the midst of doing the P - files from uh ,  Broadcast News. and it took eleven hours   to do  to uh copy it.

And it 'll take another eleven to do the clone.


We are slowly slowly getting to the point where we have uh enough sp room to record meetings. So I uh did a bunch of archiving , and still doing a bunch of archiving , I  I 'm in the midst of doing the P - files from uh ,  Broadcast News. and it took eleven hours   to do  to uh copy it.

And it 'll take another eleven to do the clone.


And it 'll take another eleven to do the clone.

Well , it 's Abbott. It 's Abbott , so it just  But it 's  it 's a lot of data.


And it 'll take another eleven to do the clone.

Well , it 's Abbott. It 's Abbott , so it just  But it 's  it 's a lot of data.

Sk - It 's copying from one place on Abbott to another place on Abbott ?


Well , it 's Abbott. It 's Abbott , so it just  But it 's  it 's a lot of data.

Sk - It 's copying from one place on Abbott to another place on Abbott ?


Sk - It 's copying from one place on Abbott to another place on Abbott ?


So I 'm archiving it , and then I 'm gonna delete the files.


So I 'm archiving it , and then I 'm gonna delete the files.

So that will give us ten gigabytes of free space.


So that will give us ten gigabytes of free space.


Yeah , the archiving m  program does take a long time.


Yeah , the archiving m  program does take a long time.

Yep. And so one That  that will be done , like , in about two hours. And so uh ,  at that point we 'll be able to record five more meetings. So.


Yep. And so one That  that will be done , like , in about two hours. And so uh ,  at that point we 'll be able to record five more meetings. So.


Yep. And so one That  that will be done , like , in about two hours. And so uh ,  at that point we 'll be able to record five more meetings. So.

One thing  The good news about that  that is that once  once it 's archived , it 's pretty quick to get back.


One thing  The good news about that  that is that once  once it 's archived , it 's pretty quick to get back.


One thing  The good news about that  that is that once  once it 's archived , it 's pretty quick to get back.

I mean , it  it  it  The other direction is fast , but this direction is really slow.


I mean , it  it  it  The other direction is fast , but this direction is really slow.


I mean , it  it  it  The other direction is fast , but this direction is really slow.

Well , especially because I 'm generating a clone , also.


Well , especially because I 'm generating a clone , also.


Now , what will uh  Is the plan to g  to  So  stuff will be saved , it 's just that you 're relocating it ? I mean , so we 're gonna get more disk space ? Or did I  ?


Now , what will uh  Is the plan to g  to  So  stuff will be saved , it 's just that you 're relocating it ? I mean , so we 're gonna get more disk space ? Or did I  ?

No , the  the  these are the P - files from Broadcast News , which are regeneratable  regeneratable


Now , what will uh  Is the plan to g  to  So  stuff will be saved , it 's just that you 're relocating it ? I mean , so we 're gonna get more disk space ? Or did I  ?

No , the  the  these are the P - files from Broadcast News , which are regeneratable  regeneratable

um , if we really need to , but we had a lot of them. And  for the full , uh , hundred forty hour sets.


No , the  the  these are the P - files from Broadcast News , which are regeneratable  regeneratable

um , if we really need to , but we had a lot of them. And  for the full , uh , hundred forty hour sets.


um , if we really need to , but we had a lot of them. And  for the full , uh , hundred forty hour sets.

And so they  they were two gigabytes per file and we had six of them or something.


And so they  they were two gigabytes per file and we had six of them or something.


And so they  they were two gigabytes per file and we had six of them or something.

W w we are getting more space. We are getting , uh , another disk rack and  and four thirty - six gigabyte disks. Uh  so  uh  but that 's not gonna happen instantaneously.


W w we are getting more space. We are getting , uh , another disk rack and  and four thirty - six gigabyte disks. Uh  so  uh  but that 's not gonna happen instantaneously.


The SUN , ha uh , takes more disks than the Andatico one did. The SUN rack takes   Th - One took four and one took six , or maybe it was eight and twelve. Whatever it was , it was ,  you know , fifty percent more.


The SUN , ha uh , takes more disks than the Andatico one did. The SUN rack takes   Th - One took four and one took six , or maybe it was eight and twelve. Whatever it was , it was ,  you know , fifty percent more.

Is there a difference in price or something ?


The SUN , ha uh , takes more disks than the Andatico one did. The SUN rack takes   Th - One took four and one took six , or maybe it was eight and twelve. Whatever it was , it was ,  you know , fifty percent more.

Is there a difference in price or something ?

Well , what happened is that we  we bought all our racks and disks from Andatico for years , according to Dave , and Andatico got bought by another company and doubled their prices.


Is there a difference in price or something ?

Well , what happened is that we  we bought all our racks and disks from Andatico for years , according to Dave , and Andatico got bought by another company and doubled their prices.


Well , what happened is that we  we bought all our racks and disks from Andatico for years , according to Dave , and Andatico got bought by another company and doubled their prices.

And so , uh , we 're looking into other vendors. " We "  By " we " of course I mean Dave.


And so , uh , we 're looking into other vendors. " We "  By " we " of course I mean Dave.


Hmm. I 've been looking at the , uh , Aurora data and , um , first  first look at it , there were basically three directories on there that could be moved. One was called Aurora , one was Spanish , which was Carmen 's Spanish stuff , and the other one was , um , SPINE.


Hmm. I 've been looking at the , uh , Aurora data and , um , first  first look at it , there were basically three directories on there that could be moved. One was called Aurora , one was Spanish , which was Carmen 's Spanish stuff , and the other one was , um , SPINE.

And so , um , I wrote to Dan and he was very concerned that the SPINE stuff was moving to a non - backed - up disk. So , um , I realized that well , probably not all of that should be moved , just  the  CD - ROM type data , the   the static data. So I moved that , and then um , I asked him to check out and see if it was OK. before I actually deleted the old stuff , um , but I haven't heard back yet. I told him he could delete it if he wanted to , I haven't checked  today to see if he 's deleted it or not. And then Carmen 's stuff , I realized that when I had copied all of her stuff to XA , I had copied stuff there that was dynamic data. And so , I had to redo that one and just copy over the static data. And so I need to get with her now and delete the old stuff off the disk. And then I lo haven't done any of the Aurora stuff. I have to meet with , uh , Stephane to do that. So.


Hmm. I 've been looking at the , uh , Aurora data and , um , first  first look at it , there were basically three directories on there that could be moved. One was called Aurora , one was Spanish , which was Carmen 's Spanish stuff , and the other one was , um , SPINE.

And so , um , I wrote to Dan and he was very concerned that the SPINE stuff was moving to a non - backed - up disk. So , um , I realized that well , probably not all of that should be moved , just  the  CD - ROM type data , the   the static data. So I moved that , and then um , I asked him to check out and see if it was OK. before I actually deleted the old stuff , um , but I haven't heard back yet. I told him he could delete it if he wanted to , I haven't checked  today to see if he 's deleted it or not. And then Carmen 's stuff , I realized that when I had copied all of her stuff to XA , I had copied stuff there that was dynamic data. And so , I had to redo that one and just copy over the static data. And so I need to get with her now and delete the old stuff off the disk. And then I lo haven't done any of the Aurora stuff. I have to meet with , uh , Stephane to do that. So.

So , but , uh y you 're figuring you can record another five meetings or something with the space that you 're clearing up from the Broadcast News , but , we have some other disks , some of which you 're using for Aurora , but are we g do we have some other  other space now ?


And so , um , I wrote to Dan and he was very concerned that the SPINE stuff was moving to a non - backed - up disk. So , um , I realized that well , probably not all of that should be moved , just  the  CD - ROM type data , the   the static data. So I moved that , and then um , I asked him to check out and see if it was OK. before I actually deleted the old stuff , um , but I haven't heard back yet. I told him he could delete it if he wanted to , I haven't checked  today to see if he 's deleted it or not. And then Carmen 's stuff , I realized that when I had copied all of her stuff to XA , I had copied stuff there that was dynamic data. And so , I had to redo that one and just copy over the static data. And so I need to get with her now and delete the old stuff off the disk. And then I lo haven't done any of the Aurora stuff. I have to meet with , uh , Stephane to do that. So.

So , but , uh y you 're figuring you can record another five meetings or something with the space that you 're clearing up from the Broadcast News , but , we have some other disks , some of which you 're using for Aurora , but are we g do we have some other  other space now ?

Yep. So , so , uh , we have space on the current disk right now , where Meeting Recorder is , and that 's probably enough for about four meetings.


So , but , uh y you 're figuring you can record another five meetings or something with the space that you 're clearing up from the Broadcast News , but , we have some other disks , some of which you 're using for Aurora , but are we g do we have some other  other space now ?

Yep. So , so , uh , we have space on the current disk right now , where Meeting Recorder is , and that 's probably enough for about four meetings.


Yep. So , so , uh , we have space on the current disk right now , where Meeting Recorder is , and that 's probably enough for about four meetings.


So. Yep. No , no , well , it 's wherever the Meeting Recorder currently is. I think it 's DI.


So. Yep. No , no , well , it 's wherever the Meeting Recorder currently is. I think it 's DI.

OK , I  but the stuff I 'm moving from Aurora is on the DC disk that we


So. Yep. No , no , well , it 's wherever the Meeting Recorder currently is. I think it 's DI.

OK , I  but the stuff I 'm moving from Aurora is on the DC disk that we

I don't remember. Th - I think it 's DC - It 's whatever that one is.


OK , I  but the stuff I 'm moving from Aurora is on the DC disk that we

I don't remember. Th - I think it 's DC - It 's whatever that one is.


I don't remember. Th - I think it 's DC - It 's whatever that one is.


And that has enough for about four more meetings right now. Yeah , I mean we were at a hundred percent and then we dropped down to eighty - six for reasons I don't understand.


And that has enough for about four more meetings right now. Yeah , I mean we were at a hundred percent and then we dropped down to eighty - six for reasons I don't understand.

Um , someone deleted something somewhere. And so we have some room again. And then with Broadcast News , that 's five or six more meetings , so , you know , we have a couple weeks. Uh , so , yeah , I think  I think we 're OK , until we get the new disk.


Um , someone deleted something somewhere. And so we have some room again. And then with Broadcast News , that 's five or six more meetings , so , you know , we have a couple weeks. Uh , so , yeah , I think  I think we 're OK , until we get the new disk.

So should , um  One question I had for you was , um , we need   we sh probably should move the Aurora an and all that other stuff off of the Meeting Recorder disk. Is there another backed - up  disk that you know of that would  ?


Um , someone deleted something somewhere. And so we have some room again. And then with Broadcast News , that 's five or six more meetings , so , you know , we have a couple weeks. Uh , so , yeah , I think  I think we 're OK , until we get the new disk.

So should , um  One question I had for you was , um , we need   we sh probably should move the Aurora an and all that other stuff off of the Meeting Recorder disk. Is there another backed - up  disk that you know of that would  ?

We should put it onto the Broadcast News one. That 's probably the best thing to do. And that way we consolidate Meeting Recorder onto one disk  rather than spreading them out.


So should , um  One question I had for you was , um , we need   we sh probably should move the Aurora an and all that other stuff off of the Meeting Recorder disk. Is there another backed - up  disk that you know of that would  ?

We should put it onto the Broadcast News one. That 's probably the best thing to do. And that way we consolidate Meeting Recorder onto one disk  rather than spreading them out.

OK. Right. Right. Do you know what  happen to know what disk that is off  ? OK.


So should , um  One question I had for you was , um , we need   we sh probably should move the Aurora an and all that other stuff off of the Meeting Recorder disk. Is there another backed - up  disk that you know of that would  ?

We should put it onto the Broadcast News one. That 's probably the best thing to do. And that way we consolidate Meeting Recorder onto one disk  rather than spreading them out.

OK. Right. Right. Do you know what  happen to know what disk that is off  ? OK.

No. I mean , I can tell you , I just don't know off the top of my head.


We should put it onto the Broadcast News one. That 's probably the best thing to do. And that way we consolidate Meeting Recorder onto one disk  rather than spreading them out.

OK. Right. Right. Do you know what  happen to know what disk that is off  ? OK.

No. I mean , I can tell you , I just don't know off the top of my head.

Yeah. OK. Alright , I 'll find out from you.


OK. Right. Right. Do you know what  happen to know what disk that is off  ? OK.

No. I mean , I can tell you , I just don't know off the top of my head.

Yeah. OK. Alright , I 'll find out from you.

But , so we could ' jus just do that at the end of today , once the archive is complete , and I 've verified it.


No. I mean , I can tell you , I just don't know off the top of my head.

Yeah. OK. Alright , I 'll find out from you.

But , so we could ' jus just do that at the end of today , once the archive is complete , and I 've verified it.


Yeah. OK. Alright , I 'll find out from you.

But , so we could ' jus just do that at the end of today , once the archive is complete , and I 've verified it.


But , so we could ' jus just do that at the end of today , once the archive is complete , and I 've verified it.

Uh , OK , @ @  So , uh , then I guess th the last thing I 'd had on my  my agenda was just to hear  hear an update on  what  what Jose has been doing ,


Uh , OK , @ @  So , uh , then I guess th the last thing I 'd had on my  my agenda was just to hear  hear an update on  what  what Jose has been doing ,


Uh , OK , @ @  So , uh , then I guess th the last thing I 'd had on my  my agenda was just to hear  hear an update on  what  what Jose has been doing ,

I have , eh ,  The result of my work during the last days.


I have , eh ,  The result of my work during the last days.


I have , eh ,  The result of my work during the last days.

Thank you for your information because I  I read. Eh , and the  the last , eh , days , eh , I work , eh , in my house , eh , in a lot of ways and thinking , reading eh , different things about the  the Meeting Recording project.


Thank you for your information because I  I read. Eh , and the  the last , eh , days , eh , I work , eh , in my house , eh , in a lot of ways and thinking , reading eh , different things about the  the Meeting Recording project.


Thank you for your information because I  I read. Eh , and the  the last , eh , days , eh , I work , eh , in my house , eh , in a lot of ways and thinking , reading eh , different things about the  the Meeting Recording project.

And I have , eh , some ideas. Eh , this information is very  very useful. Because  you have the  the  the distribution , now.


And I have , eh , some ideas. Eh , this information is very  very useful. Because  you have the  the  the distribution , now.


And I have , eh , some ideas. Eh , this information is very  very useful. Because  you have the  the  the distribution , now.

But for me , eh is interesting because , eh , eh , here 's i is the demonstration of the overlap , eh ,  problem.


But for me , eh is interesting because , eh , eh , here 's i is the demonstration of the overlap , eh ,  problem.

It 's a real problem ,  a frequently problem  uh , because you have overlapping zones eh , eh , eh , all the time.


It 's a real problem ,  a frequently problem  uh , because you have overlapping zones eh , eh , eh , all the time.


Eh , by a moment I have , eh , nnn , the , eh ,  n I  I did a mark of all the overlapped zones in the meeting recording , with eh , a exact  mark.


Eh , by a moment I have , eh , nnn , the , eh ,  n I  I did a mark of all the overlapped zones in the meeting recording , with eh , a exact  mark.

Heh ? That 's eh , yet b b Yeah , by  b b by hand  by hand because , eh ,  eh  " Why. "


Heh ? That 's eh , yet b b Yeah , by  b b by hand  by hand because , eh ,  eh  " Why. "


I  I  I do I don I don't @ @  I don't know , eh , if , eh , it will be possible because I  I  I haven't a lot  eh , enough time to  to  to work. uh , only just eh , six months , as you know , but , eh , my idea is , eh , is very interesting to  to work  in  in the line of , eh , automatic segmenter.


I  I  I do I don I don't @ @  I don't know , eh , if , eh , it will be possible because I  I  I haven't a lot  eh , enough time to  to  to work. uh , only just eh , six months , as you know , but , eh , my idea is , eh , is very interesting to  to work  in  in the line of , eh , automatic segmenter.

Eh but eh , eh , in my opinion ,  we need eh , eh , a reference  eh session to  t to  to evaluate the  the  the tool.


I  I  I do I don I don't @ @  I don't know , eh , if , eh , it will be possible because I  I  I haven't a lot  eh , enough time to  to  to work. uh , only just eh , six months , as you know , but , eh , my idea is , eh , is very interesting to  to work  in  in the line of , eh , automatic segmenter.

Eh but eh , eh , in my opinion ,  we need eh , eh , a reference  eh session to  t to  to evaluate the  the  the tool.

Yes , absolutely. And so are you planning to do that or have you done that already ?


Eh but eh , eh , in my opinion ,  we need eh , eh , a reference  eh session to  t to  to evaluate the  the  the tool.

Yes , absolutely. And so are you planning to do that or have you done that already ?


Eh but eh , eh , in my opinion ,  we need eh , eh , a reference  eh session to  t to  to evaluate the  the  the tool.

Yes , absolutely. And so are you planning to do that or have you done that already ?

Have you done that or are you planning to do that ?


Yes , absolutely. And so are you planning to do that or have you done that already ?

Have you done that or are you planning to do that ?


Have you done that or are you planning to do that ?


Have you done that or are you planning to do that ?

I plan  I plan , but eh , eh , the idea  is the  is the following. Now ,  eh , I need ehm ,  to detect eh all the overlapping zones exactly. I  I will  I will eh , talk about eh ,  in the  in the blackboard about the  my ideas.


I plan  I plan , but eh , eh , the idea  is the  is the following. Now ,  eh , I need ehm ,  to detect eh all the overlapping zones exactly. I  I will  I will eh , talk about eh ,  in the  in the blackboard about the  my ideas.


Eh , um ,   eh  This information eh , with eh , exactly time marks eh , for the overlapping zones  eh  overlapping zone , and eh , a speaker  a  a pure speech eh , eh , speaker zone. I mean , eh zones eh of eh speech of eh , one speaker without any  any eh , noise eh , any  any acoustic event eh that eh , eh , w eh , is not eh , speech , real speech. And , I need t true eh , silence for that , because my  my idea is to  to study the nnn  the   the set of parameters eh , what , eh , are more m more discriminant to eh , classify.


Eh , um ,   eh  This information eh , with eh , exactly time marks eh , for the overlapping zones  eh  overlapping zone , and eh , a speaker  a  a pure speech eh , eh , speaker zone. I mean , eh zones eh of eh speech of eh , one speaker without any  any eh , noise eh , any  any acoustic event eh that eh , eh , w eh , is not eh , speech , real speech. And , I need t true eh , silence for that , because my  my idea is to  to study the nnn  the   the set of parameters eh , what , eh , are more m more discriminant to eh , classify.

the overlapping zones in cooperation with the speech  eh zones. The idea is  to eh  to use  eh , I 'm not sure to  eh yet , but eh my idea is to use a  a cluster   eh algorithm or , nnn , a person strong in neural net algorithm to eh  to eh study what is the , eh , the property of the different feat eh feature , eh , to classify eh speech and overlapping eh speech.


the overlapping zones in cooperation with the speech  eh zones. The idea is  to eh  to use  eh , I 'm not sure to  eh yet , but eh my idea is to use a  a cluster   eh algorithm or , nnn , a person strong in neural net algorithm to eh  to eh study what is the , eh , the property of the different feat eh feature , eh , to classify eh speech and overlapping eh speech.

And my idea is eh , it would be interesting to  to have eh ,  a control set. And my control set eh , will be the eh , silence , silence without eh , any  any noise.


And my idea is eh , it would be interesting to  to have eh ,  a control set. And my control set eh , will be the eh , silence , silence without eh , any  any noise.

Which means that we 'd still  You 'd hear the


Which means that we 'd still  You 'd hear the

Yeah , acoustic with this.  With  with , yeah , the background.


Which means that we 'd still  You 'd hear the

Yeah , acoustic with this.  With  with , yeah , the background.

Yeah.  That 's interesting. This is like a ground level , with  It 's not it 's not total silence.


Yeah , acoustic with this.  With  with , yeah , the background.

Yeah.  That 's interesting. This is like a ground level , with  It 's not it 's not total silence.

Eh , I  I mean eh , noise eh , eh claps eh , tape clips , eh , the difference eh ,


Yeah.  That 's interesting. This is like a ground level , with  It 's not it 's not total silence.

Eh , I  I mean eh , noise eh , eh claps eh , tape clips , eh , the difference eh ,

eh , eh , event eh , which , eh , eh , has , eh eh , a hard effect of distorti spectral distortion in the  in the eh  speech.


Eh , I  I mean eh , noise eh , eh claps eh , tape clips , eh , the difference eh ,

eh , eh , event eh , which , eh , eh , has , eh eh , a hard effect of distorti spectral distortion in the  in the eh  speech.

So  so you intend to hand - mark those and exclude them ?


eh , eh , event eh , which , eh , eh , has , eh eh , a hard effect of distorti spectral distortion in the  in the eh  speech.

So  so you intend to hand - mark those and exclude them ?


So  so you intend to hand - mark those and exclude them ?

Yeah , I have mark in  in  in  in that  Not in all  in all the  the file ,


Yeah , I have mark in  in  in  in that  Not in all  in all the  the file ,


Yeah , I have mark in  in  in  in that  Not in all  in all the  the file ,

only eh , eh , nnn ,  mmm , I have eh , ehm  I don't remind  what is the  the  the  the quantity , but eh , I  I have marked enough speech on over and all the overlapping zones. I have , eh ,  two hundred and thirty , more or less , overlapping zones , and is similar to  to this information ,


only eh , eh , nnn ,  mmm , I have eh , ehm  I don't remind  what is the  the  the  the quantity , but eh , I  I have marked enough speech on over and all the overlapping zones. I have , eh ,  two hundred and thirty , more or less , overlapping zones , and is similar to  to this information ,


only eh , eh , nnn ,  mmm , I have eh , ehm  I don't remind  what is the  the  the  the quantity , but eh , I  I have marked enough speech on over and all the overlapping zones. I have , eh ,  two hundred and thirty , more or less , overlapping zones , and is similar to  to this information ,

because with the program , I cross  the information of uh , of Jane  with eh , my my segmentation by hand. And  is eh , mor more similar.


because with the program , I cross  the information of uh , of Jane  with eh , my my segmentation by hand. And  is eh , mor more similar.


And the  the idea is , eh ,  I  I will use , eh ,  I want   My idea is , eh ,   to eh    to classify.


And the  the idea is , eh ,  I  I will use , eh ,  I want   My idea is , eh ,   to eh    to classify.

I should 've  got the digital camera. Oh well.


And the  the idea is , eh ,  I  I will use , eh ,  I want   My idea is , eh ,   to eh    to classify.

I should 've  got the digital camera. Oh well.

I  I need eh , the exact eh , mark of the different , eh , eh , zones because I  I want to put , eh , for eh , each frame a label  indicating. It 's a sup supervised and , eh , hierarchical clustering process. I  I  I put , eh , eh , for each frame  a label indicating what is th the type , what is the class , eh , which it belong.


I should 've  got the digital camera. Oh well.

I  I need eh , the exact eh , mark of the different , eh , eh , zones because I  I want to put , eh , for eh , each frame a label  indicating. It 's a sup supervised and , eh , hierarchical clustering process. I  I  I put , eh , eh , for each frame  a label indicating what is th the type , what is the class , eh , which it belong.

Eh , I mean , the class you will  overlapping speech " overlapping " is a class , eh , " speech "  @ @ the class  that 's


I  I need eh , the exact eh , mark of the different , eh , eh , zones because I  I want to put , eh , for eh , each frame a label  indicating. It 's a sup supervised and , eh , hierarchical clustering process. I  I  I put , eh , eh , for each frame  a label indicating what is th the type , what is the class , eh , which it belong.

Eh , I mean , the class you will  overlapping speech " overlapping " is a class , eh , " speech "  @ @ the class  that 's


Eh , I mean , the class you will  overlapping speech " overlapping " is a class , eh , " speech "  @ @ the class  that 's


Eh , I mean , the class you will  overlapping speech " overlapping " is a class , eh , " speech "  @ @ the class  that 's

a I  I  I ha I h I  I put the mark by hand ,


a I  I  I ha I h I  I put the mark by hand ,


a I  I  I ha I h I  I put the mark by hand ,

because , eh ,  my idea is , eh , in  in the first session , I need , eh ,  I  I need , eh , to be sure that the information eh , that , eh , I  I will cluster , is  is right. Because , eh , eh , if not , eh , I will  I will , eh , return to the speech file to analyze eh , what is the problems ,


a I  I  I ha I h I  I put the mark by hand ,

because , eh ,  my idea is , eh , in  in the first session , I need , eh ,  I  I need , eh , to be sure that the information eh , that , eh , I  I will cluster , is  is right. Because , eh , eh , if not , eh , I will  I will , eh , return to the speech file to analyze eh , what is the problems ,

Well , training , and validation. Sure. Mm - hmm.


because , eh ,  my idea is , eh , in  in the first session , I need , eh ,  I  I need , eh , to be sure that the information eh , that , eh , I  I will cluster , is  is right. Because , eh , eh , if not , eh , I will  I will , eh , return to the speech file to analyze eh , what is the problems ,

Well , training , and validation. Sure. Mm - hmm.

eh. And  I  I 'd prefer  I would prefer , the to  to have , eh , this labeled automatically , but , eh , eh , fro th I need truth.


Well , training , and validation. Sure. Mm - hmm.

eh. And  I  I 'd prefer  I would prefer , the to  to have , eh , this labeled automatically , but , eh , eh , fro th I need truth.

Yeah , but this is what you 're starting with.


eh. And  I  I 'd prefer  I would prefer , the to  to have , eh , this labeled automatically , but , eh , eh , fro th I need truth.

Yeah , but this is what you 're starting with.


Yeah , but this is what you 're starting with.

I 've gotta ask you. So , uh , the difference between the top two , i So  so  I start at the bottom , so " silence " is clear. By " speech " do you mean speech by one sp by one person only ?


I 've gotta ask you. So , uh , the difference between the top two , i So  so  I start at the bottom , so " silence " is clear. By " speech " do you mean speech by one sp by one person only ?

So this is un OK , and then and then the top includes people speaking at the same time , or  or a speaker and a breath overlapping , someone else 's breath , or  or clicking , overlapping with speech  So , that  that 's all those possibilities in the top one.


So this is un OK , and then and then the top includes people speaking at the same time , or  or a speaker and a breath overlapping , someone else 's breath , or  or clicking , overlapping with speech  So , that  that 's all those possibilities in the top one.


So this is un OK , and then and then the top includes people speaking at the same time , or  or a speaker and a breath overlapping , someone else 's breath , or  or clicking , overlapping with speech  So , that  that 's all those possibilities in the top one.

One , two , three. but No , by th by the moment n Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.


One , two , three. but No , by th by the moment n Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.


One , two , three. but No , by th by the moment n Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Eh , in the first moment , because , eh , eh , I  I have information , eh , of the overlapping zones , eh , information about if the , eh , overlapping zone is , eh , from a speech , clear speech , from a one to a two eh speaker ,  or three speaker , or is  is the zone where the breath of a speaker eh , overlaps eh , onto eh , a speech , another , especially speech.


One , two , three. but No , by th by the moment n Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Eh , in the first moment , because , eh , eh , I  I have information , eh , of the overlapping zones , eh , information about if the , eh , overlapping zone is , eh , from a speech , clear speech , from a one to a two eh speaker ,  or three speaker , or is  is the zone where the breath of a speaker eh , overlaps eh , onto eh , a speech , another , especially speech.

So it 's basi it 's basically speech wi som with  with something overlapping , which could be speech but doesn't need to be.


Eh , in the first moment , because , eh , eh , I  I have information , eh , of the overlapping zones , eh , information about if the , eh , overlapping zone is , eh , from a speech , clear speech , from a one to a two eh speaker ,  or three speaker , or is  is the zone where the breath of a speaker eh , overlaps eh , onto eh , a speech , another , especially speech.

So it 's basi it 's basically speech wi som with  with something overlapping , which could be speech but doesn't need to be.

No , no , es especially  eh , overlapping speech  from , eh , different eh , eh , speaker. Eh


Eh , in the first moment , because , eh , eh , I  I have information , eh , of the overlapping zones , eh , information about if the , eh , overlapping zone is , eh , from a speech , clear speech , from a one to a two eh speaker ,  or three speaker , or is  is the zone where the breath of a speaker eh , overlaps eh , onto eh , a speech , another , especially speech.

So it 's basi it 's basically speech wi som with  with something overlapping , which could be speech but doesn't need to be.

No , no , es especially  eh , overlapping speech  from , eh , different eh , eh , speaker. Eh

No , but there 's  but , I think she 's saying " Where do you  In these three categories , where do you put the instances in which there is one person speaking and other sounds which are not speech ? "


So it 's basi it 's basically speech wi som with  with something overlapping , which could be speech but doesn't need to be.

No , no , es especially  eh , overlapping speech  from , eh , different eh , eh , speaker. Eh

No , but there 's  but , I think she 's saying " Where do you  In these three categories , where do you put the instances in which there is one person speaking and other sounds which are not speech ? "


No , no , es especially  eh , overlapping speech  from , eh , different eh , eh , speaker. Eh

No , but there 's  but , I think she 's saying " Where do you  In these three categories , where do you put the instances in which there is one person speaking and other sounds which are not speech ? "


No , but there 's  but , I think she 's saying " Where do you  In these three categories , where do you put the instances in which there is one person speaking and other sounds which are not speech ? "

Yeah , that 's right. That 's my question.


Yeah , that 's right. That 's my question.

Yeah. Yeah , he here I  I put eh speech from eh , from , eh , one speaker  without , eh , eh , any  any  any events more.


Yeah , that 's right. That 's my question.

Yeah. Yeah , he here I  I put eh speech from eh , from , eh , one speaker  without , eh , eh , any  any  any events more.

Right , so where do you put speech from one speaker that does have a nonspeech event at the same time ?


Yeah. Yeah , he here I  I put eh speech from eh , from , eh , one speaker  without , eh , eh , any  any  any events more.

Right , so where do you put speech from one speaker that does have a nonspeech event at the same time ?


Right , so where do you put speech from one speaker that does have a nonspeech event at the same time ?


Yeah , yeah , that 's what he was saying before.


Yeah , yeah , that 's what he was saying before.

For  for the  by the @ @ no , @ @ because I  I  I  I want to limit the  the  nnn ,  the  the study.


For  for the  by the @ @ no , @ @ because I  I  I  I want to limit the  the  nnn ,  the  the study.


Yeah , so that 's what he was saying before , is that he excluded those.


So you 're ignoring overlapping events unless they 're speech with speech.


" Why ? Why ? What 's the reason ? " because  i it 's the first study. the first


" Why ? Why ? What 's the reason ? " because  i it 's the first study. the first

Oh , no  no , it 's a perfectly sensible way to go. We just wondered  trying to understand what  what you were doing.


Oh , no  no , it 's a perfectly sensible way to go. We just wondered  trying to understand what  what you were doing.


Yeah cuz you 've talked about other overlapping events in the past.


Yeah cuz you 've talked about other overlapping events in the past.

Yeah. In the  in the future , the  the idea is to  to extend  the class ,


Yeah. In the  in the future , the  the idea is to  to extend  the class ,


Yeah. In the  in the future , the  the idea is to  to extend  the class ,

to consider all the  all the information , you  you mentioned before


Yeah. In the  in the future , the  the idea is to  to extend  the class ,

to consider all the  all the information , you  you mentioned before

Yeah. Yeah , I  I don't think we were asking for that.


to consider all the  all the information , you  you mentioned before

Yeah. Yeah , I  I don't think we were asking for that.


to consider all the  all the information , you  you mentioned before

Yeah. Yeah , I  I don't think we were asking for that.

but eh , the  the first idea  Because eh , I don't know  what hap what will happen  with the study.


Yeah. Yeah , I  I don't think we were asking for that.

but eh , the  the first idea  Because eh , I don't know  what hap what will happen  with the study.


but eh , the  the first idea  Because eh , I don't know  what hap what will happen  with the study.

Yeah. Yeah , we just wanted to know what the category was here.


Yeah. Yeah , we just wanted to know what the category was here.


Yeah. Yeah , we just wanted to know what the category was here.

Is your silence category pure silence , or  ?


Is your silence category pure silence , or  ?


Is your silence category pure silence , or  ?

What if there was a door - slam or something ?


What if there was a door - slam or something ?


OK ? It 's the control set. It 's pure si pure silence  with the  with the machine on the  on the roof.


OK ? It 's the control set. It 's pure si pure silence  with the  with the machine on the  on the roof.

What you  Well  w  I  I think what you m I think what you mean  is that it 's nonspeech segments that don't have impulsive noises.


What you  Well  w  I  I think what you m I think what you mean  is that it 's nonspeech segments that don't have impulsive noises.

Right ? Cuz you 're calling  what you 're calling " event " is somebody coughing  or clicking , or rustling paper , or hitting something , which are impulsive noises.


Right ? Cuz you 're calling  what you 're calling " event " is somebody coughing  or clicking , or rustling paper , or hitting something , which are impulsive noises.


Right ? Cuz you 're calling  what you 're calling " event " is somebody coughing  or clicking , or rustling paper , or hitting something , which are impulsive noises.

But steady - state noises are part of the background.


But steady - state noises are part of the background.

Which , are being , included in that. Right ?


But steady - state noises are part of the background.

Which , are being , included in that. Right ?

h here yet , yet I  I  I  I  I think  I  I think , eh , there are  that  some kind of noises that , eh , don't  don't wanted to  to be in that , eh , in that control set.


Which , are being , included in that. Right ?

h here yet , yet I  I  I  I  I think  I  I think , eh , there are  that  some kind of noises that , eh , don't  don't wanted to  to be in that , eh , in that control set.


Which , are being , included in that. Right ?

h here yet , yet I  I  I  I  I think  I  I think , eh , there are  that  some kind of noises that , eh , don't  don't wanted to  to be in that , eh , in that control set.

So it 's like a signal - noise situation. Yeah.


h here yet , yet I  I  I  I  I think  I  I think , eh , there are  that  some kind of noises that , eh , don't  don't wanted to  to be in that , eh , in that control set.

So it 's like a signal - noise situation. Yeah.


So it 's like a signal - noise situation. Yeah.

But I prefer , I prefer at  at the first , eh , the  the silence with eh , this eh this kind of the  of eh  of noise.


But I prefer , I prefer at  at the first , eh , the  the silence with eh , this eh this kind of the  of eh  of noise.

Right , it 's  I mean , it 's  " Background " might be  might be a better word than " silence ".


Right , it 's  I mean , it 's  " Background " might be  might be a better word than " silence ".

It 's just sort of that  the  the background acoustic


It 's just sort of that  the  the background acoustic


And , um , with this information  The idea is eh , eh , nnn , I have a label for  for each , eh , frame and , eh with a cluster eh  algorithm I  and


And , um , with this information  The idea is eh , eh , nnn , I have a label for  for each , eh , frame and , eh with a cluster eh  algorithm I  and

Well , we needed to get the categories , yeah.


And , um , with this information  The idea is eh , eh , nnn , I have a label for  for each , eh , frame and , eh with a cluster eh  algorithm I  and

Well , we needed to get the categories , yeah.

Sorry. And eh I am going  to prepare a test bed , eh , well , eh , a  a set of  feature structure eh , eh , models.


Well , we needed to get the categories , yeah.

Sorry. And eh I am going  to prepare a test bed , eh , well , eh , a  a set of  feature structure eh , eh , models.


Sorry. And eh I am going  to prepare a test bed , eh , well , eh , a  a set of  feature structure eh , eh , models.


so  so  on  because I have a pitch extractor yet.


I ha I have prepare. Is a modified version of  of  of a pitch tracker , eh , from , eh , Standar - eh Stanford University  in Stanford ? No. From , eh , em ,  Cambridge  University.


I ha I have prepare. Is a modified version of  of  of a pitch tracker , eh , from , eh , Standar - eh Stanford University  in Stanford ? No. From , eh , em ,  Cambridge  University.

Eh , em , I  I  I don't remember what is the  the name of the  of the author , because I  I have several  I have eh , eh , em , eh , library tools , from eh , Festival and  of  from Edinburgh eh , from Cambridge , eh , and from our department.


Eh , em , I  I  I don't remember what is the  the name of the  of the author , because I  I have several  I have eh , eh , em , eh , library tools , from eh , Festival and  of  from Edinburgh eh , from Cambridge , eh , and from our department.


Eh , em , I  I  I don't remember what is the  the name of the  of the author , because I  I have several  I have eh , eh , em , eh , library tools , from eh , Festival and  of  from Edinburgh eh , from Cambridge , eh , and from our department.

And  And I have to  because ,  in general the pitch tracker , doesn't work   very well and


And  And I have to  because ,  in general the pitch tracker , doesn't work   very well and

Bad. Right. But , you know , as a feature , it might be OK. So , we don't know.


And  And I have to  because ,  in general the pitch tracker , doesn't work   very well and

Bad. Right. But , you know , as a feature , it might be OK. So , we don't know.

Yeah. Yeah. This  this is  And  th the idea is to  to , eh , to obtain , eh ,  for example , eh ,   eh diff eh , eh , different  well , no , a great number of eh FEC for example , eh ,  eh , twenty - five , eh , thirty  thirty parameters , eh , for  for each one. And in a first eh , nnn , step in the investi in the research in eh , my idea is try to , eh , to prove , what is the performance of the difference parameter , eh  to classify  the different , eh , what is the  the  the  the front - end approach to classify eh , the different , eh , frames of each class  eh and what is the  the , nnn , nnn , nnn , eh , what is the , the error  eh , of the data


Bad. Right. But , you know , as a feature , it might be OK. So , we don't know.

Yeah. Yeah. This  this is  And  th the idea is to  to , eh , to obtain , eh ,  for example , eh ,   eh diff eh , eh , different  well , no , a great number of eh FEC for example , eh ,  eh , twenty - five , eh , thirty  thirty parameters , eh , for  for each one. And in a first eh , nnn , step in the investi in the research in eh , my idea is try to , eh , to prove , what is the performance of the difference parameter , eh  to classify  the different , eh , what is the  the  the  the front - end approach to classify eh , the different , eh , frames of each class  eh and what is the  the , nnn , nnn , nnn , eh , what is the , the error  eh , of the data


Yeah. Yeah. This  this is  And  th the idea is to  to , eh , to obtain , eh ,  for example , eh ,   eh diff eh , eh , different  well , no , a great number of eh FEC for example , eh ,  eh , twenty - five , eh , thirty  thirty parameters , eh , for  for each one. And in a first eh , nnn , step in the investi in the research in eh , my idea is try to , eh , to prove , what is the performance of the difference parameter , eh  to classify  the different , eh , what is the  the  the  the front - end approach to classify eh , the different , eh , frames of each class  eh and what is the  the , nnn , nnn , nnn , eh , what is the , the error  eh , of the data


and the second  is try to  eh , to use  some ideas eh , similar to the linear discriminant analysis.


and the second  is try to  eh , to use  some ideas eh , similar to the linear discriminant analysis.

Eh ? Eh , similar , because the the idea is to  to study  what is the contribution of eh , each parameter to the process of classify correctly the different  the different parameters.


Eh ? Eh , similar , because the the idea is to  to study  what is the contribution of eh , each parameter to the process of classify correctly the different  the different parameters.

Eh , the  the  the classifier is  nnn by the moment is eh  is eh , similar , nnn , that the classifier used eh , in a quantifier  vectorial quantifier is eh , used to  to eh , some distance  to  to put eh , a vector eh , in  in a class different.


Eh , the  the  the classifier is  nnn by the moment is eh  is eh , similar , nnn , that the classifier used eh , in a quantifier  vectorial quantifier is eh , used to  to eh , some distance  to  to put eh , a vector eh , in  in a class different.

Is  Yeah ? W with a model , is  is only to cluster using a eh , @ @ or a similarity.


Is  Yeah ? W with a model , is  is only to cluster using a eh , @ @ or a similarity.


Is  Yeah ? W with a model , is  is only to cluster using a eh , @ @ or a similarity.

A another possibility it to use eh a netw netw a neural network.


A another possibility it to use eh a netw netw a neural network.


A another possibility it to use eh a netw netw a neural network.

But eh what 's the p  What is my idea ? What 's the problem I  I  I  I see in  in  in   if you  you use the  the neural network ? If  w when  this kind of eh , mmm , cluster , clustering algorithm to can test , to can eh observe what happened you  you can't  you can't eh , eh put up with your hand  in the different parameter ,


But eh what 's the p  What is my idea ? What 's the problem I  I  I  I see in  in  in   if you  you use the  the neural network ? If  w when  this kind of eh , mmm , cluster , clustering algorithm to can test , to can eh observe what happened you  you can't  you can't eh , eh put up with your hand  in the different parameter ,

but eh  If you use a neural net is  is a good idea , but eh you don't know what happened in the interior of the neural net.


But eh what 's the p  What is my idea ? What 's the problem I  I  I  I see in  in  in   if you  you use the  the neural network ? If  w when  this kind of eh , mmm , cluster , clustering algorithm to can test , to can eh observe what happened you  you can't  you can't eh , eh put up with your hand  in the different parameter ,

but eh  If you use a neural net is  is a good idea , but eh you don't know what happened in the interior of the neural net.

Well , actually , you can do sensitivity analyses which show you what the importance of the different parce pieces of the input are.


but eh  If you use a neural net is  is a good idea , but eh you don't know what happened in the interior of the neural net.

Well , actually , you can do sensitivity analyses which show you what the importance of the different parce pieces of the input are.


but eh  If you use a neural net is  is a good idea , but eh you don't know what happened in the interior of the neural net.

Well , actually , you can do sensitivity analyses which show you what the importance of the different parce pieces of the input are.

It 's hard to  w w what you  It 's hard to tell on a neural net is what 's going on internally.


Well , actually , you can do sensitivity analyses which show you what the importance of the different parce pieces of the input are.

It 's hard to  w w what you  It 's hard to tell on a neural net is what 's going on internally.


It 's hard to  w w what you  It 's hard to tell on a neural net is what 's going on internally.

But it 's actually not that hard to analyse it and figure out the effects of different inputs , especially if they 're all normalized.


But it 's actually not that hard to analyse it and figure out the effects of different inputs , especially if they 're all normalized.


But it 's actually not that hard to analyse it and figure out the effects of different inputs , especially if they 're all normalized.

Well , using something simpler first I think is probably fine.


Well , using something simpler first I think is probably fine.

Well , this isn't tru if  if  if you really wonder what different if  if


Well , this isn't tru if  if  if you really wonder what different if  if


Yeah , then a decision tree is really good , but the thing is here he 's  he 's not  he 's not like he has one you know , a bunch of very distinct variables , like pitch and this  he 's talking about , like , a all these cepstral coefficients , and so forth ,


in which case a a any reasonable classifier is gonna be a mess , and it 's gonna be hard to figure out what  what uh


in which case a a any reasonable classifier is gonna be a mess , and it 's gonna be hard to figure out what  what uh

I  I  I will include too the  the  the differential de derivates too.


I  I  I will include too the  the  the differential de derivates too.


I  I mean , I think the other thing that one  I mean , this is , I think a good thing to do , to sort of look at these things at least  See what I 'd  I 'd  Let me tell you what I would do. I would take just a few features. Instead of taking all the MFCC 's , or all the PLP 's or whatever , I would just take a couple.


I  I mean , I think the other thing that one  I mean , this is , I think a good thing to do , to sort of look at these things at least  See what I 'd  I 'd  Let me tell you what I would do. I would take just a few features. Instead of taking all the MFCC 's , or all the PLP 's or whatever , I would just take a couple.

OK ? Like  like C - one , C - two , something like that , so that you can visualize it.


OK ? Like  like C - one , C - two , something like that , so that you can visualize it.

and look at these different examples and look at scatter plots.


and look at these different examples and look at scatter plots.

OK , so before you do  build up any kind of fancy classifiers , just take a look in two dimensions , at how these things are split apart.


OK , so before you do  build up any kind of fancy classifiers , just take a look in two dimensions , at how these things are split apart.

That I think will give you a lot of insight of what is likely to be a useful feature when you put it into a more complicated classifier.


That I think will give you a lot of insight of what is likely to be a useful feature when you put it into a more complicated classifier.

And the second thing is , once you actually get to the point of building these classifiers ,  @ @ what this lacks so far is the temporal properties. So if you 're just looking at a frame and a time , you don't know anything about , you know , the structure of it over time , and so you may wanna build @ @  build a Markov model of some sort uh , or  or else have features that really are based on um on  on some bigger chunk of time.


And the second thing is , once you actually get to the point of building these classifiers ,  @ @ what this lacks so far is the temporal properties. So if you 're just looking at a frame and a time , you don't know anything about , you know , the structure of it over time , and so you may wanna build @ @  build a Markov model of some sort uh , or  or else have features that really are based on um on  on some bigger chunk of time.


But I think this is a good place to start. But don't uh anyway , this is my suggestion , is don't just , you know , throw in twenty features at it , the deltas , and the delta del and all that into some classifier , even  even if it 's K - nearest - neighbors , you still won't know


But I think this is a good place to start. But don't uh anyway , this is my suggestion , is don't just , you know , throw in twenty features at it , the deltas , and the delta del and all that into some classifier , even  even if it 's K - nearest - neighbors , you still won't know

what it 's doing , even  You know it 's Uh , I think to know what it 's  to have a better feeling for what it 's


what it 's doing , even  You know it 's Uh , I think to know what it 's  to have a better feeling for what it 's

look at  at som some picture that shows you , " Here 's  These things uh , uh are  offer some separation. "  And , uh , in LPC , uh , the thing to particularly look at is , I think  is something  like , uh , the residual


look at  at som some picture that shows you , " Here 's  These things uh , uh are  offer some separation. "  And , uh , in LPC , uh , the thing to particularly look at is , I think  is something  like , uh , the residual


Can I ask ? It strikes me that there 's another piece of information um , that might be useful and that 's simply the transition. So , w if you go from a transition of silence to overlap versus a transition from silence to speech , there 's gonna be a b a big informative area there , it seems to me.


Can I ask ? It strikes me that there 's another piece of information um , that might be useful and that 's simply the transition. So , w if you go from a transition of silence to overlap versus a transition from silence to speech , there 's gonna be a b a big informative area there , it seems to me.

Yeah , because  Yeah yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I  Yeah. But eh I  I  Is my my  my own vision ,  of the  of the project.


Yeah , because  Yeah yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I  Yeah. But eh I  I  Is my my  my own vision ,  of the  of the project.

I  eh the  the Meeting Recorder project , for me , has eh , two  eh , w has eh several parts , several p  objective


I  eh the  the Meeting Recorder project , for me , has eh , two  eh , w has eh several parts , several p  objective


I  eh the  the Meeting Recorder project , for me , has eh , two  eh , w has eh several parts , several p  objective

eh , because it 's a  a great project. But eh , at the first , in the acoustic , eh , eh , parts of the project , eh I think  you eh  we have eh   two main eh objective. One  one of these is to  eh to detect the change , the acoustic change. And  for that , if you don't use , eh ,  eh , a speech recognizer , eh broad class , or not broad class to  to try to  to    to label the different frames , I think  the Ike criterion  or BIC criterion eh will be enough to detect the change.


eh , because it 's a  a great project. But eh , at the first , in the acoustic , eh , eh , parts of the project , eh I think  you eh  we have eh   two main eh objective. One  one of these is to  eh to detect the change , the acoustic change. And  for that , if you don't use , eh ,  eh , a speech recognizer , eh broad class , or not broad class to  to try to  to    to label the different frames , I think  the Ike criterion  or BIC criterion eh will be enough to detect the change.

And  Probably.  I  I  I  I would like to  to t prove. Uh , probably. When you you have , eh , eh s eh the transition of speech or  or silence eh to overlap zone , this criterion is enough with   probably with , eh , this kind of , eh , eh the  the  the more eh use eh  use eh  used eh em  normal , regular eh parameter MF - MFCC. you  you have to  to  to find  you can find the  the mark. You can find the  nnn , the  the acoustic change. But eh eh I  I understand that you  your objective is  to eh classify , to know that eh that zone  not is only  a new zone in the  in the file , that eh you have eh , but you have to  to  to know that this is overlap zone. because in the future you will eh try to  to process that zone with a non - regular eh eh speech recognizer model , I suppose.


And  Probably.  I  I  I  I would like to  to t prove. Uh , probably. When you you have , eh , eh s eh the transition of speech or  or silence eh to overlap zone , this criterion is enough with   probably with , eh , this kind of , eh , eh the  the  the more eh use eh  use eh  used eh em  normal , regular eh parameter MF - MFCC. you  you have to  to  to find  you can find the  the mark. You can find the  nnn , the  the acoustic change. But eh eh I  I understand that you  your objective is  to eh classify , to know that eh that zone  not is only  a new zone in the  in the file , that eh you have eh , but you have to  to  to know that this is overlap zone. because in the future you will eh try to  to process that zone with a non - regular eh eh speech recognizer model , I suppose.

you  you will pretend  to  to  to process the overlapping z eh zone with another kind of algorithm


you  you will pretend  to  to  to process the overlapping z eh zone with another kind of algorithm

because it 's very difficult to  to  to obtain the transcription  from eh using eh eh a regular , normal speech recognizer. That , you know ,  I  I  I think is the idea. And so  eh the , nnn  the   the system  eh will have two models.


because it 's very difficult to  to  to obtain the transcription  from eh using eh eh a regular , normal speech recognizer. That , you know ,  I  I  I think is the idea. And so  eh the , nnn  the   the system  eh will have two models.

A model to detect more acc the mor most accurately possible that is p uh , will be possible the , eh  the mark , the change and another  another model will @ @  or several models , to try s but  eh several model eh robust models , sample models to try to classify the difference class.


A model to detect more acc the mor most accurately possible that is p uh , will be possible the , eh  the mark , the change and another  another model will @ @  or several models , to try s but  eh several model eh robust models , sample models to try to classify the difference class.

I 'm  I 'm  I 'm sorry , I didn't understand you  what you said. What  what model ?


A model to detect more acc the mor most accurately possible that is p uh , will be possible the , eh  the mark , the change and another  another model will @ @  or several models , to try s but  eh several model eh robust models , sample models to try to classify the difference class.

I 'm  I 'm  I 'm sorry , I didn't understand you  what you said. What  what model ?

Eh , the  the classifiers of the of the n to detect the different class to the different zones before try to  to recognize , eh with eh  to transcribe , with eh a speech recognizer.


I 'm  I 'm  I 'm sorry , I didn't understand you  what you said. What  what model ?

Eh , the  the classifiers of the of the n to detect the different class to the different zones before try to  to recognize , eh with eh  to transcribe , with eh a speech recognizer.


I 'm  I 'm  I 'm sorry , I didn't understand you  what you said. What  what model ?

Eh , the  the classifiers of the of the n to detect the different class to the different zones before try to  to recognize , eh with eh  to transcribe , with eh a speech recognizer.

And my idea is to use eh , for example , a neural net


Eh , the  the classifiers of the of the n to detect the different class to the different zones before try to  to recognize , eh with eh  to transcribe , with eh a speech recognizer.

And my idea is to use eh , for example , a neural net


And my idea is to use eh , for example , a neural net

with  the  information we obtain from this eh  this eh study of the parameter with the  selected  parameter to try to eh  to put the class of each frame. Eh  for  the difference  zone


with  the  information we obtain from this eh  this eh study of the parameter with the  selected  parameter to try to eh  to put the class of each frame. Eh  for  the difference  zone

you  you eh , eh  have obtained in the first eh , step  with the  for example , BIC eh , eh  criterion compare model


you  you eh , eh  have obtained in the first eh , step  with the  for example , BIC eh , eh  criterion compare model


you  you eh , eh  have obtained in the first eh , step  with the  for example , BIC eh , eh  criterion compare model

OK , but , I  I think  in any event we 're agreed that the first step is


OK , but , I  I think  in any event we 're agreed that the first step is


OK , but , I  I think  in any event we 're agreed that the first step is

Because what we had before for  for uh , speaker change detection did not include these overlaps.


Because what we had before for  for uh , speaker change detection did not include these overlaps.

So the first thing is for you to  to build up something that will detect the overlaps.


So the first thing is for you to  to build up something that will detect the overlaps.

Right ? So again , I think the first thing to do to detect the overlaps is to look at these uh , in  in  in  in


Right ? So again , I think the first thing to do to detect the overlaps is to look at these uh , in  in  in  in


Right ? So again , I think the first thing to do to detect the overlaps is to look at these uh , in  in  in  in

Well , I  again , the things you 've written up there I think are way too  way too big.


Well , I  again , the things you 've written up there I think are way too  way too big.


Well , I  again , the things you 've written up there I think are way too  way too big.

OK ? If you 're talking about , say , twelfth  twelfth - order uh MFCC 's or something like that it 's just way too much.


OK ? If you 're talking about , say , twelfth  twelfth - order uh MFCC 's or something like that it 's just way too much.

You won't be able to look at it. All you 'll be able to do is put it into a classifier and see how well it does.


You won't be able to look at it. All you 'll be able to do is put it into a classifier and see how well it does.

Whereas I think if you have things  if you pick one or two dimensional things , or three of you have some very fancy display , uh , and look at how the  the different classes separate themselves out , you 'll have much more insight about what 's going on.


Whereas I think if you have things  if you pick one or two dimensional things , or three of you have some very fancy display , uh , and look at how the  the different classes separate themselves out , you 'll have much more insight about what 's going on.

Well , you 'll  you 'll get a feeling for what 's happening , you know ,


Well , you 'll  you 'll get a feeling for what 's happening , you know ,

so if you look at   Suppose you look at first and second - order cepstral coefficients for some one of these kinds of things and you find that the first - order is much more effective than the second ,  and then you look at the third and there 's not  and not too much there ,  you may just take first and second - order cepstral coefficients ,


so if you look at   Suppose you look at first and second - order cepstral coefficients for some one of these kinds of things and you find that the first - order is much more effective than the second ,  and then you look at the third and there 's not  and not too much there ,  you may just take first and second - order cepstral coefficients ,

right ? And with LPC , I think LPC per se isn't gonna tell you much more than  than  than the other , maybe. Uh , and uh on the other hand , the LPC residual , the energy in the LPC residual ,  will say how well , uh  the low - order LPC  model 's fitting it , which should be  pretty poorly for two two or more  people speaking at the same time , and it should be pretty well , for w for  for one.


right ? And with LPC , I think LPC per se isn't gonna tell you much more than  than  than the other , maybe. Uh , and uh on the other hand , the LPC residual , the energy in the LPC residual ,  will say how well , uh  the low - order LPC  model 's fitting it , which should be  pretty poorly for two two or more  people speaking at the same time , and it should be pretty well , for w for  for one.

And so  I  i again , if you take a few of these things that are  are  prob um   promising features and look at them in pairs ,  uh , I think you 'll have much more of a sense of " OK , I now have   uh , doing a bunch of these analyses , I now have ten likely candidates. " And then you can do decision trees or whatever to see how they combine.


And so  I  i again , if you take a few of these things that are  are  prob um   promising features and look at them in pairs ,  uh , I think you 'll have much more of a sense of " OK , I now have   uh , doing a bunch of these analyses , I now have ten likely candidates. " And then you can do decision trees or whatever to see how they combine.


but eh , eh  eh eh eh I don't know it is the first eh way to  to  do that and I would eh like to  to know what eh , your opinion. Eh  all this study in the f in the first moment , I  I w I  I will pretend to do  with eh eh equalizes speech. The  the equalizes speech , the speech eh , the mixes of speech.


Eh , why ? Because eh the spectral distortion is    more eh  a lot eh clearer , very much clearer if we compare with the PDA.


Eh , why ? Because eh the spectral distortion is    more eh  a lot eh clearer , very much clearer if we compare with the PDA.

PDA speech file is eh  it will be eh difficult. I


PDA speech file is eh  it will be eh difficult. I


fff !  Because the n the noise eh to sp the signal - to - noise relation is eh  is  is low.


fff !  Because the n the noise eh to sp the signal - to - noise relation is eh  is  is low.

Yeah , I think that that 's a good way to start.


Yeah , I think that that 's a good way to start.


Yeah , I think that that 's a good way to start.

I don't know eh uh i i that eh the   the result of the  of the study eh with eh  with eh this eh  this speech , the mix speech eh  will work  exactly  with the  eh PDA files.


I don't know eh uh i i that eh the   the result of the  of the study eh with eh  with eh this eh  this speech , the mix speech eh  will work  exactly  with the  eh PDA files.

It would be interesting in itself to see. Well , I think that would be an interesting result.


I don't know eh uh i i that eh the   the result of the  of the study eh with eh  with eh this eh  this speech , the mix speech eh  will work  exactly  with the  eh PDA files.

It would be interesting in itself to see. Well , I think that would be an interesting result.

eh What , I  I mean , what what is the effect of the low ' signal to  to  to noise relation , you know , eh with


I don't know eh uh i i that eh the   the result of the  of the study eh with eh  with eh this eh  this speech , the mix speech eh  will work  exactly  with the  eh PDA files.

It would be interesting in itself to see. Well , I think that would be an interesting result.

eh What , I  I mean , what what is the effect of the low ' signal to  to  to noise relation , you know , eh with

N u We Well , I think  I think  I think it 's not a  it 's not at all unreasonable. It makes sense to start with the simpler signal because if you have features which don't  aren't even helpful in the high signal - to - noise ratio , then there 's no point in putting them into the low signal ratio , one would think , anyway.


It would be interesting in itself to see. Well , I think that would be an interesting result.

eh What , I  I mean , what what is the effect of the low ' signal to  to  to noise relation , you know , eh with

N u We Well , I think  I think  I think it 's not a  it 's not at all unreasonable. It makes sense to start with the simpler signal because if you have features which don't  aren't even helpful in the high signal - to - noise ratio , then there 's no point in putting them into the low signal ratio , one would think , anyway.


eh What , I  I mean , what what is the effect of the low ' signal to  to  to noise relation , you know , eh with

N u We Well , I think  I think  I think it 's not a  it 's not at all unreasonable. It makes sense to start with the simpler signal because if you have features which don't  aren't even helpful in the high signal - to - noise ratio , then there 's no point in putting them into the low signal ratio , one would think , anyway.

And so , if you can get  @ @  Uh again , my prescription would be that you would , with a mixed signal , you would take a collection of possible uh , features  look at them , look at how these different classes that you 've marked , separate themselves ,   and then collect , uh in pairs ,  and then collect ten of them or something , and then proceed  with a bigger classifier.


N u We Well , I think  I think  I think it 's not a  it 's not at all unreasonable. It makes sense to start with the simpler signal because if you have features which don't  aren't even helpful in the high signal - to - noise ratio , then there 's no point in putting them into the low signal ratio , one would think , anyway.

And so , if you can get  @ @  Uh again , my prescription would be that you would , with a mixed signal , you would take a collection of possible uh , features  look at them , look at how these different classes that you 've marked , separate themselves ,   and then collect , uh in pairs ,  and then collect ten of them or something , and then proceed  with a bigger classifier.


And so , if you can get  @ @  Uh again , my prescription would be that you would , with a mixed signal , you would take a collection of possible uh , features  look at them , look at how these different classes that you 've marked , separate themselves ,   and then collect , uh in pairs ,  and then collect ten of them or something , and then proceed  with a bigger classifier.

And then if you can get that to work well , then you go to the other signal. And then , and you and you know , they won't work as well , but how m you know , how much


And then if you can get that to work well , then you go to the other signal. And then , and you and you know , they won't work as well , but how m you know , how much


And then if you can get that to work well , then you go to the other signal. And then , and you and you know , they won't work as well , but how m you know , how much

And then you can re - optimize , and so on.


And then you can re - optimize , and so on.

Yeah. But it I think it would be interesting to try a couple with both. Because it  I think it would be interesting to see if some features work well with close mixed , and  And don't


Yeah. But it I think it would be interesting to try a couple with both. Because it  I think it would be interesting to see if some features work well with close mixed , and  And don't

That 's  well , the  It  it 's  it 's true that it also , it could be  useful to do this exploratory analysis where you 're looking at scatter plots and so on in both cases. Sure.


That 's  well , the  It  it 's  it 's true that it also , it could be  useful to do this exploratory analysis where you 're looking at scatter plots and so on in both cases. Sure.


That 's  well , the  It  it 's  it 's true that it also , it could be  useful to do this exploratory analysis where you 're looking at scatter plots and so on in both cases. Sure.

I  I  I  I think that the  the eh parameter we found , eh , eh  worked with both eh , speech file ,


I  I  I  I think that the  the eh parameter we found , eh , eh  worked with both eh , speech file ,


I  I  I  I think that the  the eh parameter we found , eh , eh  worked with both eh , speech file ,

but eh what is the  the  the relation of eh  of the  performance when eh you use eh the , eh eh speech file the PDA speech files.


but eh what is the  the  the relation of eh  of the  performance when eh you use eh the , eh eh speech file the PDA speech files.


But it  I  I  I  I think it will be important. Because eh people eh eh , different groups eh has eh experience with this eh kind of problem. Is  eh is not easy eh to  to solve , because if you  I  I   I have seen the  the  the speech file from eh PDA , and s some parts is  very difficult because you  you don't see the spectrum  the spectrogram.


But it  I  I  I  I think it will be important. Because eh people eh eh , different groups eh has eh experience with this eh kind of problem. Is  eh is not easy eh to  to solve , because if you  I  I   I have seen the  the  the speech file from eh PDA , and s some parts is  very difficult because you  you don't see the spectrum  the spectrogram.

Is very difficult to apply eh , eh a parameter to detect change when you don't see.


But it  I  I  I  I think it will be important. Because eh people eh eh , different groups eh has eh experience with this eh kind of problem. Is  eh is not easy eh to  to solve , because if you  I  I   I have seen the  the  the speech file from eh PDA , and s some parts is  very difficult because you  you don't see the spectrum  the spectrogram.

Is very difficult to apply eh , eh a parameter to detect change when you don't see.

Yeah. Yeah. Well , that  that  that 's another reason why very simple features , things like energy , and things  things like harmonicity , and  residual energy are uh , yeah are  are better to use than very complex ones because they 'll be more reliable.


Is very difficult to apply eh , eh a parameter to detect change when you don't see.

Yeah. Yeah. Well , that  that  that 's another reason why very simple features , things like energy , and things  things like harmonicity , and  residual energy are uh , yeah are  are better to use than very complex ones because they 'll be more reliable.


Yeah. Yeah. Well , that  that  that 's another reason why very simple features , things like energy , and things  things like harmonicity , and  residual energy are uh , yeah are  are better to use than very complex ones because they 'll be more reliable.

Yeah , yeah yeah , I  I  I will put eh the energy here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.


Yeah , yeah yeah , I  I  I will put eh the energy here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Ch - Chuck was gonna ask something I guess.


Yeah , yeah yeah , I  I  I will put eh the energy here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Ch - Chuck was gonna ask something I guess.

Yeah , I  maybe this is a dumb question , but w I thought it would be   I thought it would be easier if you used a PDA


Ch - Chuck was gonna ask something I guess.

Yeah , I  maybe this is a dumb question , but w I thought it would be   I thought it would be easier if you used a PDA


Yeah , I  maybe this is a dumb question , but w I thought it would be   I thought it would be easier if you used a PDA

because can't you , couldn't you like use beam - forming or something to detect speaker overlaps ? I mean


Yeah , I  maybe this is a dumb question , but w I thought it would be   I thought it would be easier if you used a PDA

because can't you , couldn't you like use beam - forming or something to detect speaker overlaps ? I mean

Well , if you used the array , rather than the signal from just one.


because can't you , couldn't you like use beam - forming or something to detect speaker overlaps ? I mean

Well , if you used the array , rather than the signal from just one.


Well , if you used the array , rather than the signal from just one.


that  In fact , if we made use of the fact that there are two microphones , you do have some location information. which we don't have with the one and  and so that 's


that  In fact , if we made use of the fact that there are two microphones , you do have some location information. which we don't have with the one and  and so that 's

Uh , well , no , I mean , we we don't have any rules , r really.


that  In fact , if we made use of the fact that there are two microphones , you do have some location information. which we don't have with the one and  and so that 's

Uh , well , no , I mean , we we don't have any rules , r really.

But I didn't mean  I w  Given  given the goal.


Uh , well , no , I mean , we we don't have any rules , r really.

But I didn't mean  I w  Given  given the goal.

I think   I  I think  I think it 's  it 's  it 's a  it 's an additional interesting question.


But I didn't mean  I w  Given  given the goal.

I think   I  I think  I think it 's  it 's  it 's a  it 's an additional interesting question.


I think   I  I think  I think it 's  it 's  it 's a  it 's an additional interesting question.

I mean , I think you wanna know whether you can do it with one , because you know it 's not necessarily true that every device that you 're trying to do this with will have two.


I mean , I think you wanna know whether you can do it with one , because you know it 's not necessarily true that every device that you 're trying to do this with will have two.


I mean , I think you wanna know whether you can do it with one , because you know it 's not necessarily true that every device that you 're trying to do this with will have two.

Uh , if , on the other hand , we show that there 's a huge advantage with two , well then that could be a real point.


Uh , if , on the other hand , we show that there 's a huge advantage with two , well then that could be a real point.


Uh , if , on the other hand , we show that there 's a huge advantage with two , well then that could be a real point.

But , we don't n even know yet what the effect of detecting  having the ability to detect overlaps is. You know , maybe it doesn't matter too much.


But , we don't n even know yet what the effect of detecting  having the ability to detect overlaps is. You know , maybe it doesn't matter too much.


But no , you 're absolutely right. That 's  a good thing to consider.


But no , you 're absolutely right. That 's  a good thing to consider.

There  there is a complication though , and that is if a person turns their back to the  to the PDA , then some of the positional information goes away ?


There  there is a complication though , and that is if a person turns their back to the  to the PDA , then some of the positional information goes away ?

Well , it  it  it does , i it d it does , but the  the  the issue is that  that