Uh I suppose suppose that's up to the marketing to to make make people aware of the product.

Uh-huh. Any other thoughts about um th the physical appearance of a  of remote controls ?

I think something that's comfortable to hold because sometimes you get the remote controls that are just those big , rectangular things


Uh-huh. Any other thoughts about um th the physical appearance of a  of remote controls ?

I think something that's comfortable to hold because sometimes you get the remote controls that are just those big , rectangular things


I think something that's comfortable to hold because sometimes you get the remote controls that are just those big , rectangular things

and uh they're kind of awkward to hold onto ,


and uh they're kind of awkward to hold onto ,

so something that's more comfortable that fits in a person's hand better.


and uh they're kind of awkward to hold onto ,

so something that's more comfortable that fits in a person's hand better.

I mean th the thing that i immediately comes to mind is computer mouses which um I mean y you get all sorts of shapes in the shops


so something that's more comfortable that fits in a person's hand better.

I mean th the thing that i immediately comes to mind is computer mouses which um I mean y you get all sorts of shapes in the shops


I mean th the thing that i immediately comes to mind is computer mouses which um I mean y you get all sorts of shapes in the shops


and s you know some quite fancy ones um than the


and s you know some quite fancy ones um than the

some from personal experience which look nice


and s you know some quite fancy ones um than the

some from personal experience which look nice

but  aren't particularly comfortable. Um  any thoughts about buttons or flat screens or uh uh


some from personal experience which look nice

but  aren't particularly comfortable. Um  any thoughts about buttons or flat screens or uh uh


some from personal experience which look nice

but  aren't particularly comfortable. Um  any thoughts about buttons or flat screens or uh uh

Well from the mouse idea you could ,  remote is a piece of plastic with the big rubber buttons sticking out of it which you press , whereas if you want   could all be flat and the buttons are very kind of almost subtle that instead of being raised out of the device uh you push into device you see , like a mouse button.


but  aren't particularly comfortable. Um  any thoughts about buttons or flat screens or uh uh

Well from the mouse idea you could ,  remote is a piece of plastic with the big rubber buttons sticking out of it which you press , whereas if you want   could all be flat and the buttons are very kind of almost subtle that instead of being raised out of the device uh you push into device you see , like a mouse button.

Yes , I mean  the only thing is if if you're watching television in a in a a darkened room um you need to be able to uh


Well from the mouse idea you could ,  remote is a piece of plastic with the big rubber buttons sticking out of it which you press , whereas if you want   could all be flat and the buttons are very kind of almost subtle that instead of being raised out of the device uh you push into device you see , like a mouse button.

Yes , I mean  the only thing is if if you're watching television in a in a a darkened room um you need to be able to uh


Yes , I mean  the only thing is if if you're watching television in a in a a darkened room um you need to be able to uh


But maybe they could be concave instead of sticking up to have them  be kind of down so you could feel them


Yeah , that's uh  must admit I don't think I've ever seen one with concave buttons , that's uh  certainly be different. Um do we need it to uh  I can't think of any re remote controls that I know of that actually light up at all.


Okay. So , Andrew have you had any thoughts yet about how we might market something which there are already millions out there and that we want to uh uh uh t take over the entire um  the planet with ?


Okay. So , Andrew have you had any thoughts yet about how we might market something which there are already millions out there and that we want to uh uh uh t take over the entire um  the planet with ?

Mm-hmm , um  especially if we try to sell , what two million of them. Oh sorry , four million of 'em , but uh  I think if w if we market it as as not as not  well this  you c you could either market it as the point of view  we could have the two  we could have parallel marketing s schemes where you've got one where it appeals to people that want to have the new device that looks cool , is fashionable


Okay. So , Andrew have you had any thoughts yet about how we might market something which there are already millions out there and that we want to uh uh uh t take over the entire um  the planet with ?

Mm-hmm , um  especially if we try to sell , what two million of them. Oh sorry , four million of 'em , but uh  I think if w if we market it as as not as not  well this  you c you could either market it as the point of view  we could have the two  we could have parallel marketing s schemes where you've got one where it appeals to people that want to have the new device that looks cool , is fashionable

and like you just  it's it's like uh it's one that rather than ra I wan I want rather than a kind of a need relationship with the device ,


Mm-hmm , um  especially if we try to sell , what two million of them. Oh sorry , four million of 'em , but uh  I think if w if we market it as as not as not  well this  you c you could either market it as the point of view  we could have the two  we could have parallel marketing s schemes where you've got one where it appeals to people that want to have the new device that looks cool , is fashionable

and like you just  it's it's like uh it's one that rather than ra I wan I want rather than a kind of a need relationship with the device ,


and like you just  it's it's like uh it's one that rather than ra I wan I want rather than a kind of a need relationship with the device ,

but that might  considering the act what the device is for and the nature of some people might not like respond to having a device that they just looks nice , therefore they want it so  make it practical at the same time. I think it's  this is gonna have to appeal to people that want device that can enhance their living room


but that might  considering the act what the device is for and the nature of some people might not like respond to having a device that they just looks nice , therefore they want it so  make it practical at the same time. I think it's  this is gonna have to appeal to people that want device that can enhance their living room

uh but also a device that uh is practically sound.


uh but also a device that uh is practically sound.

So um , I dunno we'll have to decide which which angle we're gonna go to or both. If you .


uh but also a device that uh is practically sound.

So um , I dunno we'll have to decide which which angle we're gonna go to or both. If you .

I d I think an any uh any facets that we identify w we aim  need to aim for for all of. Um okay well


So um , I dunno we'll have to decide which which angle we're gonna go to or both. If you .

I d I think an any uh any facets that we identify w we aim  need to aim for for all of. Um okay well


So um , I dunno we'll have to decide which which angle we're gonna go to or both. If you .

I d I think an any uh any facets that we identify w we aim  need to aim for for all of. Um okay well

first thoughts on um the the industrial design side.


I d I think an any uh any facets that we identify w we aim  need to aim for for all of. Um okay well

first thoughts on um the the industrial design side.

Oh I think it's it's  remote controls are kind of a unique object 'cause it's  you depend on them so much , but you don't  i i it's  you sort of just assume they're always gonna work , you don't think of them as a comp like a computer can break down and you're kinda like oh well fair enough there's all these complex things going on , it's gonna  something's gonna get messed up eventually. They they just need to be very very dependable because people sort of take them for granted and then if your remote control breaks it's   God forbid you actually get up and manually change the channel


first thoughts on um the the industrial design side.

Oh I think it's it's  remote controls are kind of a unique object 'cause it's  you depend on them so much , but you don't  i i it's  you sort of just assume they're always gonna work , you don't think of them as a comp like a computer can break down and you're kinda like oh well fair enough there's all these complex things going on , it's gonna  something's gonna get messed up eventually. They they just need to be very very dependable because people sort of take them for granted and then if your remote control breaks it's   God forbid you actually get up and manually change the channel


first thoughts on um the the industrial design side.

Oh I think it's it's  remote controls are kind of a unique object 'cause it's  you depend on them so much , but you don't  i i it's  you sort of just assume they're always gonna work , you don't think of them as a comp like a computer can break down and you're kinda like oh well fair enough there's all these complex things going on , it's gonna  something's gonna get messed up eventually. They they just need to be very very dependable because people sort of take them for granted and then if your remote control breaks it's   God forbid you actually get up and manually change the channel

it just  it needs to be very effective , very  always dependable. Uh I don't think we should make it too small I  'cause I think it needs to  it can't be too big like you were saying big an and huge and um awkward , but also if you make it too small kinda like you know how mobile phones are getting smaller and smaller um , it's just gonna end up under a couch cushion somewhere and um yeah.


Oh I think it's it's  remote controls are kind of a unique object 'cause it's  you depend on them so much , but you don't  i i it's  you sort of just assume they're always gonna work , you don't think of them as a comp like a computer can break down and you're kinda like oh well fair enough there's all these complex things going on , it's gonna  something's gonna get messed up eventually. They they just need to be very very dependable because people sort of take them for granted and then if your remote control breaks it's   God forbid you actually get up and manually change the channel

it just  it needs to be very effective , very  always dependable. Uh I don't think we should make it too small I  'cause I think it needs to  it can't be too big like you were saying big an and huge and um awkward , but also if you make it too small kinda like you know how mobile phones are getting smaller and smaller um , it's just gonna end up under a couch cushion somewhere and um yeah.


it just  it needs to be very effective , very  always dependable. Uh I don't think we should make it too small I  'cause I think it needs to  it can't be too big like you were saying big an and huge and um awkward , but also if you make it too small kinda like you know how mobile phones are getting smaller and smaller um , it's just gonna end up under a couch cushion somewhere and um yeah.

But  so yes dependable , and have a  good medium range size.


it just  it needs to be very effective , very  always dependable. Uh I don't think we should make it too small I  'cause I think it needs to  it can't be too big like you were saying big an and huge and um awkward , but also if you make it too small kinda like you know how mobile phones are getting smaller and smaller um , it's just gonna end up under a couch cushion somewhere and um yeah.

But  so yes dependable , and have a  good medium range size.

Okay , and um colours , materials ? Kendra , anyone ?


But  so yes dependable , and have a  good medium range size.

Okay , and um colours , materials ? Kendra , anyone ?

Well , most  I think most of the remote controls now are either just black or grey ,


But  so yes dependable , and have a  good medium range size.

Okay , and um colours , materials ? Kendra , anyone ?

Well , most  I think most of the remote controls now are either just black or grey ,

so maybe we should go with something different or be able to  I was just thinking of um  what they're doing with mobile phones now how you can get the different um  what are they called ? Like the face-plates


Okay , and um colours , materials ? Kendra , anyone ?

Well , most  I think most of the remote controls now are either just black or grey ,

so maybe we should go with something different or be able to  I was just thinking of um  what they're doing with mobile phones now how you can get the different um  what are they called ? Like the face-plates


Well , most  I think most of the remote controls now are either just black or grey ,

so maybe we should go with something different or be able to  I was just thinking of um  what they're doing with mobile phones now how you can get the different um  what are they called ? Like the face-plates


so maybe we should go with something different or be able to  I was just thinking of um  what they're doing with mobile phones now how you can get the different um  what are they called ? Like the face-plates

that you change so we could have maybe  I don't know if it would be feasible to do something with that , where you can change the face-plates or have kind of a variety


that you change so we could have maybe  I don't know if it would be feasible to do something with that , where you can change the face-plates or have kind of a variety


that you change so we could have maybe  I don't know if it would be feasible to do something with that , where you can change the face-plates or have kind of a variety

so people can get different different things. Have it kind of look how they want to , different colours , things like that ,


so people can get different different things. Have it kind of look how they want to , different colours , things like that ,

probably just plastic because that's always the lightest.


so people can get different different things. Have it kind of look how they want to , different colours , things like that ,

probably just plastic because that's always the lightest.

Yeah. Okay that's uh  Again I don't think that's ever been done before ,


probably just plastic because that's always the lightest.

Yeah. Okay that's uh  Again I don't think that's ever been done before ,


Okay , so now we are on the conceptual design meeting.  Uh y getting close to the last


So  um I will again do the secretary part uh we will have three presentation first um uh the industrial design , first Rama then Mark and then Sammy.


So  um I will again do the secretary part uh we will have three presentation first um uh the industrial design , first Rama then Mark and then Sammy.

Um um we have to take a decision on the control  remote control concepts and we have forty minutes.


Um um we have to take a decision on the control  remote control concepts and we have forty minutes.


Um um we have to take a decision on the control  remote control concepts and we have forty minutes.

So what we want to  the decision we want to take on this meeting are on the um first on the component concept , so what kind of energy we use uh what kind of chip on print and one ki kind of case. And also on user interface concept uh what kind of interface we use and if there is some supplements. And at the end um Sammy will give um  a trend watching on what he's  he's been doing. It's  So , let's go. First with Rama. Participant two.


So what we want to  the decision we want to take on this meeting are on the um first on the component concept , so what kind of energy we use uh what kind of chip on print and one ki kind of case. And also on user interface concept uh what kind of interface we use and if there is some supplements. And at the end um Sammy will give um  a trend watching on what he's  he's been doing. It's  So , let's go. First with Rama. Participant two.


So what we want to  the decision we want to take on this meeting are on the um first on the component concept , so what kind of energy we use uh what kind of chip on print and one ki kind of case. And also on user interface concept uh what kind of interface we use and if there is some supplements. And at the end um Sammy will give um  a trend watching on what he's  he's been doing. It's  So , let's go. First with Rama. Participant two.

Yep. So we're to mainly design f mainly need to know which components we'll use for energy , and the material and interface. For energy there are maybe two or three possibilities. First one , we can use simple battery , or we can use  traditional solar cells or  mm and the material we can have plastic , rubber which is good for this R_S_A_


Yep. So we're to mainly design f mainly need to know which components we'll use for energy , and the material and interface. For energy there are maybe two or three possibilities. First one , we can use simple battery , or we can use  traditional solar cells or  mm and the material we can have plastic , rubber which is good for this R_S_A_


Yep. So we're to mainly design f mainly need to know which components we'll use for energy , and the material and interface. For energy there are maybe two or three possibilities. First one , we can use simple battery , or we can use  traditional solar cells or  mm and the material we can have plastic , rubber which is good for this R_S_A_

and then uh titanium , which can be  which have very good look an and then interface we're to use push buttons or liquid crystal d L_C_D_ display. And we can use some  , moving  kind of thing. So , as we discussed before , we need to  we would like to have some speech recognition s chip in our remote control. So this can be simple kind of programmable chip and  which can use microphone  sensors. And we also want to look at our remote control , so. Still we are looking for possible uh technical uh specifications and how w easy we can do and within our pri range , like we're to  in our twelve Euros or around that. So we are looking for simple devices or simple technology to do the location of remote control in a room or in a house.


and then uh titanium , which can be  which have very good look an and then interface we're to use push buttons or liquid crystal d L_C_D_ display. And we can use some  , moving  kind of thing. So , as we discussed before , we need to  we would like to have some speech recognition s chip in our remote control. So this can be simple kind of programmable chip and  which can use microphone  sensors. And we also want to look at our remote control , so. Still we are looking for possible uh technical uh specifications and how w easy we can do and within our pri range , like we're to  in our twelve Euros or around that. So we are looking for simple devices or simple technology to do the location of remote control in a room or in a house.

So uh we discussed an   Excuse me. So we would like to propose battery instead of solar cells and it would be problematic uh to have enough energy with the solar cells


So uh we discussed an   Excuse me. So we would like to propose battery instead of solar cells and it would be problematic uh to have enough energy with the solar cells

and so we would like to just use simple battery. And also we want to go for titanium design instead of rubber or  and well the problem is with this design we found that we can't use double-curved shapes.


and so we would like to just use simple battery. And also we want to go for titanium design instead of rubber or  and well the problem is with this design we found that we can't use double-curved shapes.


Uh it's  I think in manufacturing I guess it's problematic. So , we want to go for simple push buttons because it need a simple chip and it's really lesser  uh re really less expensive compared to L_C_D_


Uh it's  I think in manufacturing I guess it's problematic. So , we want to go for simple push buttons because it need a simple chip and it's really lesser  uh re really less expensive compared to L_C_D_

which are uh which needs advanced chip technology and it's more expensive ,


Uh it's  I think in manufacturing I guess it's problematic. So , we want to go for simple push buttons because it need a simple chip and it's really lesser  uh re really less expensive compared to L_C_D_

which are uh which needs advanced chip technology and it's more expensive ,

since we want to put some other features such as speech recognition


which are uh which needs advanced chip technology and it's more expensive ,

since we want to put some other features such as speech recognition


since we want to put some other features such as speech recognition

Um I want to know why it b uh just uh sorry but for the point before uh why not the rubber , if it is something that it seems to be light.


Um I want to know why it b uh just uh sorry but for the point before uh why not the rubber , if it is something that it seems to be light.

Uh  Uh  And also like in  if you put a  it's be difficult to do all the moulding of buttons and these things


Uh  Uh  And also like in  if you put a  it's be difficult to do all the moulding of buttons and these things


Uh  Uh  And also like in  if you put a  it's be difficult to do all the moulding of buttons and these things

W we can use something like you know  the whole body's titanium but there are some rubber or I dunno some rubber parts like


W we can use something like you know  the whole body's titanium but there are some rubber or I dunno some rubber parts like


these  you can  with the rubber in four directions and


these  you can  with the rubber in four directions and

yeah. But full assembly  We'll use mainly for titanium


yeah. But full assembly  We'll use mainly for titanium


and also it's bit difficult to do all the shapes uh.


we we would like to use push buttons instead of L_C_D_s and so we want to mo I mean we're  we want to put speech recognition so we want to reduce price on this technology and so that we can have enough space or enough money


we we would like to use push buttons instead of L_C_D_s and so we want to mo I mean we're  we want to put speech recognition so we want to reduce price on this technology and so that we can have enough space or enough money

Okay , s so simple button and uh speech recognition for the more complicated.


Okay , s so simple button and uh speech recognition for the more complicated.

Y yeah we have simple buttons and speech recognition technology ,


Y yeah we have simple buttons and speech recognition technology ,


mm can we still include the L_ L_S_D_ display ?


Seems not , it's either L_C_D_ or push-button.


it's not gonna be a t no touchable but still like a source of information or source for menus.


it's not gonna be a t no touchable but still like a source of information or source for menus.

Yeah maybe maybe we can see depending on how we'll come up with our full design then if we have enough money or like for and


Yeah maybe maybe we can see depending on how we'll come up with our full design then if we have enough money or like for and

because the speech recognition technology will take at least five Euros or  or something so we want to reduce the cost on display


because the speech recognition technology will take at least five Euros or  or something so we want to reduce the cost on display


because the speech recognition technology will take at least five Euros or  or something so we want to reduce the cost on display

The display would only be display and not uh touch sensitive you mean.


The display would only be display and not uh touch sensitive you mean.

Yeah , yeah , it's it's not gonna be a touch pad , uh just a display for giving you information.


Yeah , yeah , it's it's not gonna be a touch pad , uh just a display for giving you information.


because like it won't take much money I guess ,


I guess no um. So the batteries uh are going to be very light.


I guess no um. So the batteries uh are going to be very light.

Yeah. Yeah , we're to go for li and now I think we have many options in the market so we can go for small nickel or alkaline batteries


Yeah. Yeah , we're to go for li and now I think we have many options in the market so we can go for small nickel or alkaline batteries

for really light batteries and with uh good price.


for really light batteries and with uh good price.

So this device on n that can be used for speech recognition could also be used for just uh the finding it basically , instead of clapping why not just be  ask.


for really light batteries and with uh good price.

So this device on n that can be used for speech recognition could also be used for just uh the finding it basically , instead of clapping why not just be  ask.

Yeah , that's  then the the one thing we want to know is like because remote control is used for like in the household so it it it will be it  m maybe at least five , six people want to use it so so how to uh uh how to define our re speech recognition


So this device on n that can be used for speech recognition could also be used for just uh the finding it basically , instead of clapping why not just be  ask.

Yeah , that's  then the the one thing we want to know is like because remote control is used for like in the household so it it it will be it  m maybe at least five , six people want to use it so so how to uh uh how to define our re speech recognition

whether we want to do s speaker independent or speaker dependent. If we're going for more speaker independent then it would be like again cumbersome and we need really m more technology


Yeah , that's  then the the one thing we want to know is like because remote control is used for like in the household so it it it will be it  m maybe at least five , six people want to use it so so how to uh uh how to define our re speech recognition

whether we want to do s speaker independent or speaker dependent. If we're going for more speaker independent then it would be like again cumbersome and we need really m more technology


whether we want to do s speaker independent or speaker dependent. If we're going for more speaker independent then it would be like again cumbersome and we need really m more technology


Yeah , if if everybody in the house n  to locate then we're to go for some speaker independent technology or something.


Yeah , if if everybody in the house n  to locate then we're to go for some speaker independent technology or something.

Okay. So let's now go to the  you don't have more question ?


Okay. So let's now go to the  you don't have more question ?


Puts less of constraint on what we can do


it's always like that. We have dreams and the  in the end we find out that it's not feasible.


But still uh L_S_D_'s already quite nice ,


Uh so the concept of the interface. Generally I developed quite a broad concept not only for the interface , but for possible instruction or user's manual and uh all the complex things that come together with your T_V_ and remote controls. So let's start with this. We got our perfect remote control with a lot of buttons


Uh so the concept of the interface. Generally I developed quite a broad concept not only for the interface , but for possible instruction or user's manual and uh all the complex things that come together with your T_V_ and remote controls. So let's start with this. We got our perfect remote control with a lot of buttons

and uh we got explanation for every button


Uh so the concept of the interface. Generally I developed quite a broad concept not only for the interface , but for possible instruction or user's manual and uh all the complex things that come together with your T_V_ and remote controls. So let's start with this. We got our perfect remote control with a lot of buttons

and uh we got explanation for every button

and you can use your time and uh it will take i some days to learn all this buttons and um the L_C_D_ is going to be somewhere here and uh go back button , I don't know really where it is , maybe one of this buttons , and um power on and off mm I I don't remember


and uh we got explanation for every button

and you can use your time and uh it will take i some days to learn all this buttons and um the L_C_D_ is going to be somewhere here and uh go back button , I don't know really where it is , maybe one of this buttons , and um power on and off mm I I don't remember

so uh it it it should be maybe this button is power on and off ? Or no  ? I can see nothing. So that's our concept. It's called the millennium remote control.


and you can use your time and uh it will take i some days to learn all this buttons and um the L_C_D_ is going to be somewhere here and uh go back button , I don't know really where it is , maybe one of this buttons , and um power on and off mm I I don't remember

so uh it it it should be maybe this button is power on and off ? Or no  ? I can see nothing. So that's our concept. It's called the millennium remote control.


so uh it it it should be maybe this button is power on and off ? Or no  ? I can see nothing. So that's our concept. It's called the millennium remote control.


Yeah , we will not use this. We will not use this.


Yeah , we will not use this. We will not use this.

But instead of this I will devise  That's our concept.


Yeah , we will not use this. We will not use this.

But instead of this I will devise  That's our concept.

And it's got just few buttons , quite low looking , and all this stuff we already we already discussed.


But instead of this I will devise  That's our concept.

And it's got just few buttons , quite low looking , and all this stuff we already we already discussed.


And it's got just few buttons , quite low looking , and all this stuff we already we already discussed.

And uh what will people say ? They'll say it's perfect. Or what will say ? Uh they will say it's splendid. And uh e everyone will say I'll buy it.


And uh what will people say ? They'll say it's perfect. Or what will say ? Uh they will say it's splendid. And uh e everyone will say I'll buy it.

Do you think it can come in several colours ?


Do you think it can come in several colours ?


Do you think it can come in several colours ?

I would make a backlight of the L_C_D_ screen with different colours.


I would make a backlight of the L_C_D_ screen with different colours.


I would make a backlight of the L_C_D_ screen with different colours.

Uh the case would only be in that uh aluminium uh titanium stuff ,


Uh the case would only be in that uh aluminium uh titanium stuff ,


Because apparently from your survey people like colours , no ?


Because apparently from your survey people like colours , no ?

Yeah , well they like uh something which is uh


Because apparently from your survey people like colours , no ?

Yeah , well they like uh something which is uh

Okay , so let's remember there's a Nokia phone which changeable panels.


Yeah , well they like uh something which is uh

Okay , so let's remember there's a Nokia phone which changeable panels.


Okay , so let's remember there's a Nokia phone which changeable panels.

so that would be the option. I don't know I don't have a Nokia phone ,


so that would be the option. I don't know I don't have a Nokia phone ,


so that would be the option. I don't know I don't have a Nokia phone ,

but I don't use that but again , uh I might


so that would be the option. I don't know I don't have a Nokia phone ,

but I don't use that but again , uh I might

That's why you don't have it. That's why ,


but I don't use that but again , uh I might

That's why you don't have it. That's why ,


That's why you don't have it. That's why ,


But it would be expensive , no ? If you use colour L_C_D_.


But it would be expensive , no ? If you use colour L_C_D_.

Uh instead of that maybe we can change the colour of the assembler.


Uh instead of that maybe we can change the colour of the assembler.

Maybe we can just  if users want more colours they can pay more money to get this uh the shapes and they can have different assembly.


Maybe we can just  if users want more colours they can pay more money to get this uh the shapes and they can have different assembly.


Maybe we can just  if users want more colours they can pay more money to get this uh the shapes and they can have different assembly.

So users have different  I mean they have their own interests , colour interests and so


So users have different  I mean they have their own interests , colour interests and so


So users have different  I mean they have their own interests , colour interests and so

So we can just  if they want they can just pay another two Euro.


So we can just  if they want they can just pay another two Euro.


So we can just  if they want they can just pay another two Euro.

you you propose something with option i that increase the price if we  if you want o more colours  on L_C_D_ ,


you you propose something with option i that increase the price if we  if you want o more colours  on L_C_D_ ,

Yeah. Yeah yeah yes. If they want like uh  so that we can  yeah.


Yeah. Yeah yeah yes. If they want like uh  so that we can  yeah.


Just they'll get few more things and few more colours.


Just they'll get few more things and few more colours.

Okay , what uh  there's one more decisi uh one more solution in fact , um  'cause there are some some paints that can change colour according to where they are , like they can reflect different colours depending on what is around , like what colour is around , and depending on the temperature ,


Okay , what uh  there's one more decisi uh one more solution in fact , um  'cause there are some some paints that can change colour according to where they are , like they can reflect different colours depending on what is around , like what colour is around , and depending on the temperature ,


Yeah but that's maybe mo too much expensive , yeah.


But uh it can be in uh maybe in an  a gradable version ,


Because uh I think there are two kinds of people. Those for which the remote control is uh is to be uh something useful uh I'm going to talk about this later but  and those for which is something that that that uh is uh specific to them so it it's like a signature. My remote control is pink. Nobody else than me has a pink remote control.


and you think that we don't have to make to make them pay more because of  uh o or this is


and you think that we don't have to make to make them pay more because of  uh o or this is

I think I think they would be ready p ready to pay more for that.


I think I think they would be ready p ready to pay more for that.


But those people will be really few , no ? So like we can  those


But those people will be really few , no ? So like we can  those

The the young people the young people want to be different from their friends.


But those people will be really few , no ? So like we can  those

The the young people the young people want to be different from their friends.

Although similar but have something just slightly better. Pink


The the young people the young people want to be different from their friends.

Although similar but have something just slightly better. Pink


Although similar but have something just slightly better. Pink


maybe that's   if that it's a selling point maybe it has to be the base.


maybe that's   if that it's a selling point maybe it has to be the base.

yeah. But you know if you want to be different you just take your remote control with you all the time.


yeah. But you know if you want to be different you just take your remote control with you all the time.


Uh in the train uh , hello uh no.  Want to change my neighbour.


Uh in the train uh , hello uh no.  Want to change my neighbour.

Oh , you don't ?  Yeah. You don't have your remo


Oh , you don't ?  Yeah. You don't have your remo

Wh you you know like for instance take the iPod. It's a kind of remote control.  Uh it's white


Wh you you know like for instance take the iPod. It's a kind of remote control.  Uh it's white

and it's so white that you see it from any anywhere.


and it's so white that you see it from any anywhere.

It has this distinctive look and feel and look  which people seems to like


It has this distinctive look and feel and look  which people seems to like

just because it's  a colour that we don't usually see in a remote control. White.


just because it's  a colour that we don't usually see in a remote control. White.

Uh-huh , uh-huh. Could we integrate something into our remote control , something like light ?


Uh-huh , uh-huh. Could we integrate something into our remote control , something like light ?


Uh-huh , uh-huh. Could we integrate something into our remote control , something like light ?

That they can use it in darkness , like. Hand light ,


That they can use it in darkness , like. Hand light ,


maybe like the infrared like we can put some radium chips or something


let's go on maybe with the presentation.


let's go on maybe with the presentation.

And um the remote control's going to be smart


And um the remote control's going to be smart


And um the remote control's going to be smart

but how smart should it be to not to complicate things too much ?


but how smart should it be to not to complicate things too much ?


Well so I heard that uh it seems that speech recognition is something that can be done uh so that's the smartness of the thing.


Well so I heard that uh it seems that speech recognition is something that can be done uh so that's the smartness of the thing.

Currently we don't have guns with speech recognition or uh beer cans with speech recognition


Well so I heard that uh it seems that speech recognition is something that can be done uh so that's the smartness of the thing.

Currently we don't have guns with speech recognition or uh beer cans with speech recognition

but we may have remote controls with speech recognition.


Currently we don't have guns with speech recognition or uh beer cans with speech recognition

but we may have remote controls with speech recognition.


but we may have remote controls with speech recognition.


So just just just just think about it um.


But  yeah. Are are you saying here that uh the remote controls should be aware of who is using it ? So for instance the young guy would not be able to use it because his father doesn't want.


But  yeah. Are are you saying here that uh the remote controls should be aware of who is using it ? So for instance the young guy would not be able to use it because his father doesn't want.

Uh yeah I just want to say it should be real smart.


But  yeah. Are are you saying here that uh the remote controls should be aware of who is using it ? So for instance the young guy would not be able to use it because his father doesn't want.

Uh yeah I just want to say it should be real smart.

Like with some  Maybe fingerprint recognition or


But  yeah. Are are you saying here that uh the remote controls should be aware of who is using it ? So for instance the young guy would not be able to use it because his father doesn't want.

Uh yeah I just want to say it should be real smart.

Like with some  Maybe fingerprint recognition or

Voice recognition is quite tough. I say don't use it , and the control just looks.


Uh yeah I just want to say it should be real smart.

Like with some  Maybe fingerprint recognition or

Voice recognition is quite tough. I say don't use it , and the control just looks.


Like with some  Maybe fingerprint recognition or

Voice recognition is quite tough. I say don't use it , and the control just looks.


Voice recognition is quite tough. I say don't use it , and the control just looks.


Uh that  mm that could be feasible I guess , like  So since we have  we want to do some speaker dependent speech recognition uh so we can use


But for instance th I I'm thinking about the other uh uh particularity that the the remote control could have. S since it it knows who is using it , it might also record the kind of uh channels you are u more often using and uh levels of volumes that you're more often uh  things like that


and provide you ways of using them , I dunno , somehow ,


that might also be a good sales pitch again.


Trend , yeah. No uh yes. Okay , so I'm going to talk about trends and um I hope this can help us to to understand l how we should design our remote control. So , next slide please. So first maybe just a small recap on  how how do we watch trends so it's not so uh simple you might think that it's easy but uh it's not so simple. Anyway these days uh the best uh source of information is the web as you know , so have to to go often on the web and look at uh what the others are doing , and ask real people who are using real remote controls every day uh or any other tool that is similar to a remote control which basically is a small device that people  have with them , always , like a phone. We can we can use the phone as a as a good uh uh  example of where to in be inspired. Of course those tha d who are watching the trends are also  have also to be inspired because in fact they're not only watching the trends , they're inventing it , they're creating the trend. I hope I'm going to try to help you on that. This is more risky because you're not following the trend ,


Trend , yeah. No uh yes. Okay , so I'm going to talk about trends and um I hope this can help us to to understand l how we should design our remote control. So , next slide please. So first maybe just a small recap on  how how do we watch trends so it's not so uh simple you might think that it's easy but uh it's not so simple. Anyway these days uh the best uh source of information is the web as you know , so have to to go often on the web and look at uh what the others are doing , and ask real people who are using real remote controls every day uh or any other tool that is similar to a remote control which basically is a small device that people  have with them , always , like a phone. We can we can use the phone as a as a good uh uh  example of where to in be inspired. Of course those tha d who are watching the trends are also  have also to be inspired because in fact they're not only watching the trends , they're inventing it , they're creating the trend. I hope I'm going to try to help you on that. This is more risky because you're not following the trend ,

you try to invent it , which means either you succeed and you make a lot of money or you don't and you're out of business.


Trend , yeah. No uh yes. Okay , so I'm going to talk about trends and um I hope this can help us to to understand l how we should design our remote control. So , next slide please. So first maybe just a small recap on  how how do we watch trends so it's not so uh simple you might think that it's easy but uh it's not so simple. Anyway these days uh the best uh source of information is the web as you know , so have to to go often on the web and look at uh what the others are doing , and ask real people who are using real remote controls every day uh or any other tool that is similar to a remote control which basically is a small device that people  have with them , always , like a phone. We can we can use the phone as a as a good uh uh  example of where to in be inspired. Of course those tha d who are watching the trends are also  have also to be inspired because in fact they're not only watching the trends , they're inventing it , they're creating the trend. I hope I'm going to try to help you on that. This is more risky because you're not following the trend ,

you try to invent it , which means either you succeed and you make a lot of money or you don't and you're out of business.

So anyway uh next slide please.  Uh to be to be quick  there's a lot of words here but uh basically there are  uh in in the market of of remote controls there are three aspects that we should very  pay much attention to. The first one , which seems to be the most important one , is that it has to be fancy , it has to have a fancy look and feel. And uh interestingly this is the very most important thing. It has to be fancy. Strangely enough it's more important to be fancy than to be wi and now that's the second thing it has to be , it has to be technologically i innovative ,


Trend , yeah. No uh yes. Okay , so I'm going to talk about trends and um I hope this can help us to to understand l how we should design our remote control. So , next slide please. So first maybe just a small recap on  how how do we watch trends so it's not so uh simple you might think that it's easy but uh it's not so simple. Anyway these days uh the best uh source of information is the web as you know , so have to to go often on the web and look at uh what the others are doing , and ask real people who are using real remote controls every day uh or any other tool that is similar to a remote control which basically is a small device that people  have with them , always , like a phone. We can we can use the phone as a as a good uh uh  example of where to in be inspired. Of course those tha d who are watching the trends are also  have also to be inspired because in fact they're not only watching the trends , they're inventing it , they're creating the trend. I hope I'm going to try to help you on that. This is more risky because you're not following the trend ,

you try to invent it , which means either you succeed and you make a lot of money or you don't and you're out of business.

So anyway uh next slide please.  Uh to be to be quick  there's a lot of words here but uh basically there are  uh in in the market of of remote controls there are three aspects that we should very  pay much attention to. The first one , which seems to be the most important one , is that it has to be fancy , it has to have a fancy look and feel. And uh interestingly this is the very most important thing. It has to be fancy. Strangely enough it's more important to be fancy than to be wi and now that's the second thing it has to be , it has to be technologically i innovative ,

it has to be new with some of uh new uh technology inside and uh and this is also uh more important than the last thing which we w may think that would have been the most important , which is that it should be easy to use and it should be easy to use as a remote control. So as you see uh  it first have to be very nice , s something that people are proud of uh uh that i uh they can be id identified with uh and and then uh something that um contains very novel stuff that they can talk about with their friends , huh , mine has this and not yours. And finally of course it has to be useful as a remote control but it seems that it's not so important that it's useful as a remote control.


you try to invent it , which means either you succeed and you make a lot of money or you don't and you're out of business.

So anyway uh next slide please.  Uh to be to be quick  there's a lot of words here but uh basically there are  uh in in the market of of remote controls there are three aspects that we should very  pay much attention to. The first one , which seems to be the most important one , is that it has to be fancy , it has to have a fancy look and feel. And uh interestingly this is the very most important thing. It has to be fancy. Strangely enough it's more important to be fancy than to be wi and now that's the second thing it has to be , it has to be technologically i innovative ,

it has to be new with some of uh new uh technology inside and uh and this is also uh more important than the last thing which we w may think that would have been the most important , which is that it should be easy to use and it should be easy to use as a remote control. So as you see uh  it first have to be very nice , s something that people are proud of uh uh that i uh they can be id identified with uh and and then uh something that um contains very novel stuff that they can talk about with their friends , huh , mine has this and not yours. And finally of course it has to be useful as a remote control but it seems that it's not so important that it's useful as a remote control.


So anyway uh next slide please.  Uh to be to be quick  there's a lot of words here but uh basically there are  uh in in the market of of remote controls there are three aspects that we should very  pay much attention to. The first one , which seems to be the most important one , is that it has to be fancy , it has to have a fancy look and feel. And uh interestingly this is the very most important thing. It has to be fancy. Strangely enough it's more important to be fancy than to be wi and now that's the second thing it has to be , it has to be technologically i innovative ,

it has to be new with some of uh new uh technology inside and uh and this is also uh more important than the last thing which we w may think that would have been the most important , which is that it should be easy to use and it should be easy to use as a remote control. So as you see uh  it first have to be very nice , s something that people are proud of uh uh that i uh they can be id identified with uh and and then uh something that um contains very novel stuff that they can talk about with their friends , huh , mine has this and not yours. And finally of course it has to be useful as a remote control but it seems that it's not so important that it's useful as a remote control.


it has to be new with some of uh new uh technology inside and uh and this is also uh more important than the last thing which we w may think that would have been the most important , which is that it should be easy to use and it should be easy to use as a remote control. So as you see uh  it first have to be very nice , s something that people are proud of uh uh that i uh they can be id identified with uh and and then uh something that um contains very novel stuff that they can talk about with their friends , huh , mine has this and not yours. And finally of course it has to be useful as a remote control but it seems that it's not so important that it's useful as a remote control.

Uh and now in a more uh general uh uh broad way of seeing th uh the thing. If we look back and not uh look at only remote controls I think it's important to see that the trends are quite the same in many areas so  currently the the trends that we see in l in l big cities like Paris and Milan , well , it seems that this year things should have uh a fruit and vegetable uh way of  of look or feel


Uh and now in a more uh general uh uh broad way of seeing th uh the thing. If we look back and not uh look at only remote controls I think it's important to see that the trends are quite the same in many areas so  currently the the trends that we see in l in l big cities like Paris and Milan , well , it seems that this year things should have uh a fruit and vegetable uh way of  of look or feel


Uh and now in a more uh general uh uh broad way of seeing th uh the thing. If we look back and not uh look at only remote controls I think it's important to see that the trends are quite the same in many areas so  currently the the trends that we see in l in l big cities like Paris and Milan , well , it seems that this year things should have uh a fruit and vegetable uh way of  of look or feel

And I think of course uh  i it applies to everything. That's the thing with trends.  It it can travel f from clothe to furniture  same idea.


Uh and now in a more uh general uh uh broad way of seeing th uh the thing. If we look back and not uh look at only remote controls I think it's important to see that the trends are quite the same in many areas so  currently the the trends that we see in l in l big cities like Paris and Milan , well , it seems that this year things should have uh a fruit and vegetable uh way of  of look or feel

And I think of course uh  i it applies to everything. That's the thing with trends.  It it can travel f from clothe to furniture  same idea.

Fruit and vegetable. Think fruit and vegetable.  And uh if we co we compare to last year , now it has to be spongy ,


And I think of course uh  i it applies to everything. That's the thing with trends.  It it can travel f from clothe to furniture  same idea.

Fruit and vegetable. Think fruit and vegetable.  And uh if we co we compare to last year , now it has to be spongy ,


Fruit and vegetable. Think fruit and vegetable.  And uh if we co we compare to last year , now it has to be spongy ,


I think uh the rubber aspect might be important because it's what is probably more feasible in terms of sponginess.


I think uh the rubber aspect might be important because it's what is probably more feasible in terms of sponginess.

S So maybe titanium it's not a good idea.


S So maybe titanium it's not a good idea.


Think more of uh something in the colours of uh like fruit and vegetables and spongy ,


Think more of uh something in the colours of uh like fruit and vegetables and spongy ,

as a  even in the shape it has to be more round and uh more uh uh look natural somehow. I mean


as a  even in the shape it has to be more round and uh more uh uh look natural somehow. I mean


And not those futuristic uh remote control with angles and uh and titanium like.


So that's what people seem to   yeah i I know it's quite far from what you thought


So these abilities are mainly ad addressed by young people ? Or it's


So these abilities are mainly ad addressed by young people ? Or it's

Yeah , yeah we have people uh uh listening to the trends everywhere in the world , of course ,


Yeah , yeah we have people uh uh listening to the trends everywhere in the world , of course ,


Yeah , yeah we have people uh uh listening to the trends everywhere in the world , of course ,

as you know our company is quite big and uh so I'm just asking them what are the current trends according to them when they go in the stores and when they ask uh their uh friends


as you know our company is quite big and uh so I'm just asking them what are the current trends according to them when they go in the stores and when they ask uh their uh friends


it's not particular to the remote control.


it's not particular to the remote control.

No , it's not it's not  this this is very general , yeah. But it seems that trends travel across things.


No , it's not it's not  this this is very general , yeah. But it seems that trends travel across things.

Yeah but some materials n they're to be uh they're to be something like solid like they can't be really spongy


Yeah but some materials n they're to be uh they're to be something like solid like they can't be really spongy


We have to  I think we have to have the look of fruit and vegetables


We have to  I think we have to have the look of fruit and vegetables

yeah , yeah sponge , yeah yeah at least that's


We have to  I think we have to have the look of fruit and vegetables

yeah , yeah sponge , yeah yeah at least that's

but we still have to put our chips inside , so   of course.


yeah , yeah sponge , yeah yeah at least that's

but we still have to put our chips inside , so   of course.


but we still have to put our chips inside , so   of course.


Yeah. Yeah , looking  yeah fruit. These things can be easily incorporated. We can have t colours or this shape


Yeah. Yeah , looking  yeah fruit. These things can be easily incorporated. We can have t colours or this shape

Yeah , I think in the colours and in the uh the kind of material.


Yeah. Yeah , looking  yeah fruit. These things can be easily incorporated. We can have t colours or this shape

Yeah , I think in the colours and in the uh the kind of material.

If if it's something like rubber made or  I think it it's also going to be good.


Yeah , I think in the colours and in the uh the kind of material.

If if it's something like rubber made or  I think it it's also going to be good.


If if it's something like rubber made or  I think it it's also going to be good.


Okay , well I think we're ready to begin. Right , my name's Adam Duguid , we're here because of real reaction , um , we have in the group

Oh , Ebenezer Ademesoye. Would you like me to spell that ?


Oh , Ebenezer Ademesoye. Would you like me to spell that ?


You're the Marketing Expert , okay. Next we have ?


Industrial Designer. And , lastly we have ?


Industrial Designer. And , lastly we have ?

And you're going to be the User Interface ,


And you're going to be the User Interface ,

is it ? Designer. Okay. Right. This is the agenda for today's meeting. As you can see , w opening , acquaintance , tool training , project plan discussion , and closing. Um , we already got n through opening , and partially through acquaintance. So , the reason we're here , we're gonna design a new remote control , as you probably all know. The very broad overview is original , trendy , and user-friendly. Course , we'll have to go into a bit more um detail than that , but uh  personally I think that the original is gonna be a very key aspect to this design. Um , there's a lot of remote controls out there anyway , so we're gonna need something that's really gonna set it apart. This is how today seems to be going to work. We're gonna have the three kay phases , as you've probably already been told , the functional , architectural , and the detailed design. Um  First one's gonna be covering the user requirement spec , technical functions , working design. Second seems to be conceptual components , properties , materials , and the last one is a detailed analysis of our design so far. Of course , you've all got the similar emails , I believe , right.  What can I say ? Ebenezer , you wanna have a  you wanna draw your favourite animal  ?


And you're going to be the User Interface ,

is it ? Designer. Okay. Right. This is the agenda for today's meeting. As you can see , w opening , acquaintance , tool training , project plan discussion , and closing. Um , we already got n through opening , and partially through acquaintance. So , the reason we're here , we're gonna design a new remote control , as you probably all know. The very broad overview is original , trendy , and user-friendly. Course , we'll have to go into a bit more um detail than that , but uh  personally I think that the original is gonna be a very key aspect to this design. Um , there's a lot of remote controls out there anyway , so we're gonna need something that's really gonna set it apart. This is how today seems to be going to work. We're gonna have the three kay phases , as you've probably already been told , the functional , architectural , and the detailed design. Um  First one's gonna be covering the user requirement spec , technical functions , working design. Second seems to be conceptual components , properties , materials , and the last one is a detailed analysis of our design so far. Of course , you've all got the similar emails , I believe , right.  What can I say ? Ebenezer , you wanna have a  you wanna draw your favourite animal  ?

Sure.  Whiteboard. 'Kay. S okay. I will make this quick , since we don't have much time.  Um.  'Kay , so it's not the best picture in the world.


is it ? Designer. Okay. Right. This is the agenda for today's meeting. As you can see , w opening , acquaintance , tool training , project plan discussion , and closing. Um , we already got n through opening , and partially through acquaintance. So , the reason we're here , we're gonna design a new remote control , as you probably all know. The very broad overview is original , trendy , and user-friendly. Course , we'll have to go into a bit more um detail than that , but uh  personally I think that the original is gonna be a very key aspect to this design. Um , there's a lot of remote controls out there anyway , so we're gonna need something that's really gonna set it apart. This is how today seems to be going to work. We're gonna have the three kay phases , as you've probably already been told , the functional , architectural , and the detailed design. Um  First one's gonna be covering the user requirement spec , technical functions , working design. Second seems to be conceptual components , properties , materials , and the last one is a detailed analysis of our design so far. Of course , you've all got the similar emails , I believe , right.  What can I say ? Ebenezer , you wanna have a  you wanna draw your favourite animal  ?

Sure.  Whiteboard. 'Kay. S okay. I will make this quick , since we don't have much time.  Um.  'Kay , so it's not the best picture in the world.

Here we have an elephant. First point , begins with an E_ , same like Ebenezer. Also , elephants have a very good memory , much like myself ,


is it ? Designer. Okay. Right. This is the agenda for today's meeting. As you can see , w opening , acquaintance , tool training , project plan discussion , and closing. Um , we already got n through opening , and partially through acquaintance. So , the reason we're here , we're gonna design a new remote control , as you probably all know. The very broad overview is original , trendy , and user-friendly. Course , we'll have to go into a bit more um detail than that , but uh  personally I think that the original is gonna be a very key aspect to this design. Um , there's a lot of remote controls out there anyway , so we're gonna need something that's really gonna set it apart. This is how today seems to be going to work. We're gonna have the three kay phases , as you've probably already been told , the functional , architectural , and the detailed design. Um  First one's gonna be covering the user requirement spec , technical functions , working design. Second seems to be conceptual components , properties , materials , and the last one is a detailed analysis of our design so far. Of course , you've all got the similar emails , I believe , right.  What can I say ? Ebenezer , you wanna have a  you wanna draw your favourite animal  ?

Sure.  Whiteboard. 'Kay. S okay. I will make this quick , since we don't have much time.  Um.  'Kay , so it's not the best picture in the world.

Here we have an elephant. First point , begins with an E_ , same like Ebenezer. Also , elephants have a very good memory , much like myself ,

and I can't remember back when I used to live back in Nigeria , but I think I used to have a pet elephant. So elephants are big , strong and gentle , and they have great memories , and they begin with the letter E_ , just like Ebenezer.


Sure.  Whiteboard. 'Kay. S okay. I will make this quick , since we don't have much time.  Um.  'Kay , so it's not the best picture in the world.

Here we have an elephant. First point , begins with an E_ , same like Ebenezer. Also , elephants have a very good memory , much like myself ,

and I can't remember back when I used to live back in Nigeria , but I think I used to have a pet elephant. So elephants are big , strong and gentle , and they have great memories , and they begin with the letter E_ , just like Ebenezer.


Here we have an elephant. First point , begins with an E_ , same like Ebenezer. Also , elephants have a very good memory , much like myself ,

and I can't remember back when I used to live back in Nigeria , but I think I used to have a pet elephant. So elephants are big , strong and gentle , and they have great memories , and they begin with the letter E_ , just like Ebenezer.


and I can't remember back when I used to live back in Nigeria , but I think I used to have a pet elephant. So elephants are big , strong and gentle , and they have great memories , and they begin with the letter E_ , just like Ebenezer.

Tarik , would you like to have a shot at a bit of artistry ?


Tarik , would you like to have a shot at a bit of artistry ?


You should also l um have your  the lapel mic on as well.


Oh that's good , we can clip them on. Okay. Yeah ,


Oh that's good , we can clip them on. Okay. Yeah ,

Yep , the  , it's just across there , that's it. Yep.


Yep , the  , it's just across there , that's it. Yep.

Is this supposed to be clipped as well ?


Is this supposed to be clipped as well ?


You can probably just stick it in your pocket for now , I wouldn't worry too much. Should have good range.


You can probably just stick it in your pocket for now , I wouldn't worry too much. Should have good range.

Uh , here we have a tiger. Uh  I've always loved tigers. They're just  they're big , they're biggest cats , uh I did a project on cats in the wild when I was a kid and uh it was my favourite cat , just 'cause it was  looks the best , the stripes , orange. My dad used to talk about  he's from Bangladesh so he used to tell me all about them when he was  when I was a kid. And uh they're just the most feared of of uh animals in the wild. So uh that's why I like them. Didn't say an anything about me really but


You can probably just stick it in your pocket for now , I wouldn't worry too much. Should have good range.

Uh , here we have a tiger. Uh  I've always loved tigers. They're just  they're big , they're biggest cats , uh I did a project on cats in the wild when I was a kid and uh it was my favourite cat , just 'cause it was  looks the best , the stripes , orange. My dad used to talk about  he's from Bangladesh so he used to tell me all about them when he was  when I was a kid. And uh they're just the most feared of of uh animals in the wild. So uh that's why I like them. Didn't say an anything about me really but

Excellent , thank you very much. Dave , if you'd like to uh have a dash.


Uh , here we have a tiger. Uh  I've always loved tigers. They're just  they're big , they're biggest cats , uh I did a project on cats in the wild when I was a kid and uh it was my favourite cat , just 'cause it was  looks the best , the stripes , orange. My dad used to talk about  he's from Bangladesh so he used to tell me all about them when he was  when I was a kid. And uh they're just the most feared of of uh animals in the wild. So uh that's why I like them. Didn't say an anything about me really but

Excellent , thank you very much. Dave , if you'd like to uh have a dash.

Um   Um , the monkey , um. The one f uh  in fact this is a  somewhat oblique reference in fact to uh  well my  I have a three uh three y year old daughter who h who who who is affectionately known as Miss Monkey. Um , monkeys have attitude. Which I think is a good thing. And I mean fr  and from uh from the point of view of sort of the study of human evolution they and other primates are terribly interesting. Um , so I like monkeys. And and th th th th thi thi this one seems to have perhaps more attitude than most.


Uh , here we have a tiger. Uh  I've always loved tigers. They're just  they're big , they're biggest cats , uh I did a project on cats in the wild when I was a kid and uh it was my favourite cat , just 'cause it was  looks the best , the stripes , orange. My dad used to talk about  he's from Bangladesh so he used to tell me all about them when he was  when I was a kid. And uh they're just the most feared of of uh animals in the wild. So uh that's why I like them. Didn't say an anything about me really but

Excellent , thank you very much. Dave , if you'd like to uh have a dash.

Um   Um , the monkey , um. The one f uh  in fact this is a  somewhat oblique reference in fact to uh  well my  I have a three uh three y year old daughter who h who who who is affectionately known as Miss Monkey. Um , monkeys have attitude. Which I think is a good thing. And I mean fr  and from uh from the point of view of sort of the study of human evolution they and other primates are terribly interesting. Um , so I like monkeys. And and th th th th thi thi this one seems to have perhaps more attitude than most.

Cheers. Hardly what I'd call the best drawing in the world but it'll do for now. Also not quite as feared as your average tiger , but uh cats are one of my favourite animals , they're very independent , they're snotty as hell at the best of times , and uh , what can you say , you got to love those qualities in an animal. Right. I think we've all managed to master the whiteboard there by looks of it , so , on to it. Project finance. As you can see , twelve point five Euros per unit. That's not a terrible lot as far as I'm aware , and we're hoping to sell them for twenty five. If we're aiming for fifty million Euros we're gonna have to be selling an awful lot of them.


Excellent , thank you very much. Dave , if you'd like to uh have a dash.

Um   Um , the monkey , um. The one f uh  in fact this is a  somewhat oblique reference in fact to uh  well my  I have a three uh three y year old daughter who h who who who is affectionately known as Miss Monkey. Um , monkeys have attitude. Which I think is a good thing. And I mean fr  and from uh from the point of view of sort of the study of human evolution they and other primates are terribly interesting. Um , so I like monkeys. And and th th th th thi thi this one seems to have perhaps more attitude than most.

Cheers. Hardly what I'd call the best drawing in the world but it'll do for now. Also not quite as feared as your average tiger , but uh cats are one of my favourite animals , they're very independent , they're snotty as hell at the best of times , and uh , what can you say , you got to love those qualities in an animal. Right. I think we've all managed to master the whiteboard there by looks of it , so , on to it. Project finance. As you can see , twelve point five Euros per unit. That's not a terrible lot as far as I'm aware , and we're hoping to sell them for twenty five. If we're aiming for fifty million Euros we're gonna have to be selling an awful lot of them.

Oh , that was profiting , that was an amount , so that's the amount made ,


Um   Um , the monkey , um. The one f uh  in fact this is a  somewhat oblique reference in fact to uh  well my  I have a three uh three y year old daughter who h who who who is affectionately known as Miss Monkey. Um , monkeys have attitude. Which I think is a good thing. And I mean fr  and from uh from the point of view of sort of the study of human evolution they and other primates are terribly interesting. Um , so I like monkeys. And and th th th th thi thi this one seems to have perhaps more attitude than most.

Cheers. Hardly what I'd call the best drawing in the world but it'll do for now. Also not quite as feared as your average tiger , but uh cats are one of my favourite animals , they're very independent , they're snotty as hell at the best of times , and uh , what can you say , you got to love those qualities in an animal. Right. I think we've all managed to master the whiteboard there by looks of it , so , on to it. Project finance. As you can see , twelve point five Euros per unit. That's not a terrible lot as far as I'm aware , and we're hoping to sell them for twenty five. If we're aiming for fifty million Euros we're gonna have to be selling an awful lot of them.

Oh , that was profiting , that was an amount , so that's the amount made ,


Cheers. Hardly what I'd call the best drawing in the world but it'll do for now. Also not quite as feared as your average tiger , but uh cats are one of my favourite animals , they're very independent , they're snotty as hell at the best of times , and uh , what can you say , you got to love those qualities in an animal. Right. I think we've all managed to master the whiteboard there by looks of it , so , on to it. Project finance. As you can see , twelve point five Euros per unit. That's not a terrible lot as far as I'm aware , and we're hoping to sell them for twenty five. If we're aiming for fifty million Euros we're gonna have to be selling an awful lot of them.

Oh , that was profiting , that was an amount , so that's the amount made ,


Oh , that was profiting , that was an amount , so that's the amount made ,

Well , fifty million , and if you're making twelve point five Euros on each one , then , awful lot need to be sold.


Well , fifty million , and if you're making twelve point five Euros on each one , then , awful lot need to be sold.


Well , fifty million , and if you're making twelve point five Euros on each one , then , awful lot need to be sold.

Okay. Now we better actually just get on with the uh the meat of the project. So I'm gonna guess that we've all used remote controls. Any ideas of where you think a new remote control could go into this market ?


Well , fifty million , and if you're making twelve point five Euros on each one , then , awful lot need to be sold.

Okay. Now we better actually just get on with the uh the meat of the project. So I'm gonna guess that we've all used remote controls. Any ideas of where you think a new remote control could go into this market ?

Well , one thing I'm aware of is , th there uh um at the sort of v very high price end of the market there's there's a em emerging market for sort of touch screen L_C_D_ remotes that can be uh programmed in m much more sophisticated ways than sort of conventional models , so you get the sort of you get um you  you can redesign the interface to your own needs , you can programme in macros , and you get a much greater degree um um I mean you get in these sort of  three in one , five in one , whatevers , but you can get integration between the different uh the the the diff the different things that it's designed to control , to a much greater extent , and you can have one uh you know one macro to turn the uh you know turn the T_V_ to the right channel , get the uh re uh rewind the tape in the V_C_R_ and get it to play once it's rewound , for instance.


Okay. Now we better actually just get on with the uh the meat of the project. So I'm gonna guess that we've all used remote controls. Any ideas of where you think a new remote control could go into this market ?

Well , one thing I'm aware of is , th there uh um at the sort of v very high price end of the market there's there's a em emerging market for sort of touch screen L_C_D_ remotes that can be uh programmed in m much more sophisticated ways than sort of conventional models , so you get the sort of you get um you  you can redesign the interface to your own needs , you can programme in macros , and you get a much greater degree um um I mean you get in these sort of  three in one , five in one , whatevers , but you can get integration between the different uh the the the diff the different things that it's designed to control , to a much greater extent , and you can have one uh you know one macro to turn the uh you know turn the T_V_ to the right channel , get the uh re uh rewind the tape in the V_C_R_ and get it to play once it's rewound , for instance.


Okay. Now we better actually just get on with the uh the meat of the project. So I'm gonna guess that we've all used remote controls. Any ideas of where you think a new remote control could go into this market ?

Well , one thing I'm aware of is , th there uh um at the sort of v very high price end of the market there's there's a em emerging market for sort of touch screen L_C_D_ remotes that can be uh programmed in m much more sophisticated ways than sort of conventional models , so you get the sort of you get um you  you can redesign the interface to your own needs , you can programme in macros , and you get a much greater degree um um I mean you get in these sort of  three in one , five in one , whatevers , but you can get integration between the different uh the the the diff the different things that it's designed to control , to a much greater extent , and you can have one uh you know one macro to turn the uh you know turn the T_V_ to the right channel , get the uh re uh rewind the tape in the V_C_R_ and get it to play once it's rewound , for instance.

Um b it occurs to me there might be a niche for uh for a remote that aimed towards some of that sort of functionality but using a just conventional push button design. And therefore putting it into a um well much lower price bracket.


Well , one thing I'm aware of is , th there uh um at the sort of v very high price end of the market there's there's a em emerging market for sort of touch screen L_C_D_ remotes that can be uh programmed in m much more sophisticated ways than sort of conventional models , so you get the sort of you get um you  you can redesign the interface to your own needs , you can programme in macros , and you get a much greater degree um um I mean you get in these sort of  three in one , five in one , whatevers , but you can get integration between the different uh the the the diff the different things that it's designed to control , to a much greater extent , and you can have one uh you know one macro to turn the uh you know turn the T_V_ to the right channel , get the uh re uh rewind the tape in the V_C_R_ and get it to play once it's rewound , for instance.

Um b it occurs to me there might be a niche for uh for a remote that aimed towards some of that sort of functionality but using a just conventional push button design. And therefore putting it into a um well much lower price bracket.

Okay , yeah , tha that's true , with the price range we're looking at , going for a touch screen would probably be possibly out of our


Um b it occurs to me there might be a niche for uh for a remote that aimed towards some of that sort of functionality but using a just conventional push button design. And therefore putting it into a um well much lower price bracket.

Okay , yeah , tha that's true , with the price range we're looking at , going for a touch screen would probably be possibly out of our


Okay , yeah , tha that's true , with the price range we're looking at , going for a touch screen would probably be possibly out of our


But you think uh again something to control multiple units in uh a simple fashion.


But you think uh again something to control multiple units in uh a simple fashion.

Yeah , I mean I wouldn't like to say you g  I mean you get ones that you can switch between multiple units , but something that could um operate between multiple units in a more integrated fashion. Some  and ideally something into which it would have some at least limited facility for  um running macros.


But you think uh again something to control multiple units in uh a simple fashion.

Yeah , I mean I wouldn't like to say you g  I mean you get ones that you can switch between multiple units , but something that could um operate between multiple units in a more integrated fashion. Some  and ideally something into which it would have some at least limited facility for  um running macros.

Would the the idea something along the lines of , one on button would turn on say the video recorder , the T_V_ , maybe the sound system as well , all in one go , is that kind of


But you think uh again something to control multiple units in uh a simple fashion.

Yeah , I mean I wouldn't like to say you g  I mean you get ones that you can switch between multiple units , but something that could um operate between multiple units in a more integrated fashion. Some  and ideally something into which it would have some at least limited facility for  um running macros.

Would the the idea something along the lines of , one on button would turn on say the video recorder , the T_V_ , maybe the sound system as well , all in one go , is that kind of

For instance , um let's say oh oh um , or um you know you pr uh you press uh say the play button for the D_V_D_ player and it turns the T_V_ on and onto the right channel as well , um


Yeah , I mean I wouldn't like to say you g  I mean you get ones that you can switch between multiple units , but something that could um operate between multiple units in a more integrated fashion. Some  and ideally something into which it would have some at least limited facility for  um running macros.

Would the the idea something along the lines of , one on button would turn on say the video recorder , the T_V_ , maybe the sound system as well , all in one go , is that kind of

For instance , um let's say oh oh um , or um you know you pr uh you press uh say the play button for the D_V_D_ player and it turns the T_V_ on and onto the right channel as well , um

Okay , that sounds like a a good strong idea. Um


Would the the idea something along the lines of , one on button would turn on say the video recorder , the T_V_ , maybe the sound system as well , all in one go , is that kind of

For instance , um let's say oh oh um , or um you know you pr uh you press uh say the play button for the D_V_D_ player and it turns the T_V_ on and onto the right channel as well , um

Okay , that sounds like a a good strong idea. Um


For instance , um let's say oh oh um , or um you know you pr uh you press uh say the play button for the D_V_D_ player and it turns the T_V_ on and onto the right channel as well , um

Okay , that sounds like a a good strong idea. Um


Okay , that sounds like a a good strong idea. Um

Well um I've noticed that uh gaming c is becoming quite popular with television , um when I was younger we used to e play games using our cable , using the cable subscribed the cable providers ,


Well um I've noticed that uh gaming c is becoming quite popular with television , um when I was younger we used to e play games using our cable , using the cable subscribed the cable providers ,


Well um I've noticed that uh gaming c is becoming quite popular with television , um when I was younger we used to e play games using our cable , using the cable subscribed the cable providers ,

but our remote controls would get worn out really easily , and  the remote control was not a great kind of keyboar , um keypad , for playing games.


but our remote controls would get worn out really easily , and  the remote control was not a great kind of keyboar , um keypad , for playing games.

So perhaps one that was more um specialised for game playing or interactive television. They they've recently brought out this new remote control , for people to set their favourite channels , or um to record things. Instead of people entering in what time things start , you simply stri slide a bar to say what time it begins ,


So perhaps one that was more um specialised for game playing or interactive television. They they've recently brought out this new remote control , for people to set their favourite channels , or um to record things. Instead of people entering in what time things start , you simply stri slide a bar to say what time it begins ,

and slide another bar to say what time it ends , you know that's


So perhaps one that was more um specialised for game playing or interactive television. They they've recently brought out this new remote control , for people to set their favourite channels , or um to record things. Instead of people entering in what time things start , you simply stri slide a bar to say what time it begins ,

and slide another bar to say what time it ends , you know that's

Yeah I've heard  I've seen the bar-code design before ,


and slide another bar to say what time it ends , you know that's

Yeah I've heard  I've seen the bar-code design before ,


Yeah I've heard  I've seen the bar-code design before ,


Yeah , it's it's taken out the  Y you don't have to be uh really clever to use a remote control. I think for gaming , you know you want you want some big buttons for up , down , left and right , shoot.


Yeah , it's it's taken out the  Y you don't have to be uh really clever to use a remote control. I think for gaming , you know you want you want some big buttons for up , down , left and right , shoot.

Uh , you wanna be able to change angles in interactive television , so you need buttons to change the television angle , the camera angles and stuff like that.


Uh , you wanna be able to change angles in interactive television , so you need buttons to change the television angle , the camera angles and stuff like that.

we're beginning to run out of time now , so , we've got a couple of ideas ,


we're beginning to run out of time now , so , we've got a couple of ideas ,


we're beginning to run out of time now , so , we've got a couple of ideas ,

we can  we'll have to work fast , um , alright as you can see we've got thirty minutes until the next meeting , so  we'll have to try and decide on some of the basic functionality , um , how the user interface might work , that'll be a key aspect especially if the idea of um some kind of macros facility because you have to program it , you have to have a lot of response back , or at least some kind. Um


we can  we'll have to work fast , um , alright as you can see we've got thirty minutes until the next meeting , so  we'll have to try and decide on some of the basic functionality , um , how the user interface might work , that'll be a key aspect especially if the idea of um some kind of macros facility because you have to program it , you have to have a lot of response back , or at least some kind. Um

And we're gonna maybe n try and have to figure out


And we're gonna maybe n try and have to figure out


Um , right. Has anybody got anything they'd like to add at this stage , anything they think that might have been missed so far ?


Um , right. Has anybody got anything they'd like to add at this stage , anything they think that might have been missed so far ?

Well when you're talking about gaming and stuff , do you think they should have some sort of stick on it , rather than buttons ?


Um , right. Has anybody got anything they'd like to add at this stage , anything they think that might have been missed so far ?

Well when you're talking about gaming and stuff , do you think they should have some sort of stick on it , rather than buttons ?

Like uh control pads , you know of games , but


Well when you're talking about gaming and stuff , do you think they should have some sort of stick on it , rather than buttons ?

Like uh control pads , you know of games , but


Like uh control pads , you know of games , but


Like uh control pads , you know of games , but

I I don't see why not , almost everybody is probably used to a console by now , and all of them incorporate small keypads on them , in fact even the mobile phones these days are beginning to use them as well , so it's probably an interface that most people are used to. Um


I I don't see why not , almost everybody is probably used to a console by now , and all of them incorporate small keypads on them , in fact even the mobile phones these days are beginning to use them as well , so it's probably an interface that most people are used to. Um


I I don't see why not , almost everybody is probably used to a console by now , and all of them incorporate small keypads on them , in fact even the mobile phones these days are beginning to use them as well , so it's probably an interface that most people are used to. Um

and that could allow n easy navigation , used as a joystick as well.


I I don't see why not , almost everybody is probably used to a console by now , and all of them incorporate small keypads on them , in fact even the mobile phones these days are beginning to use them as well , so it's probably an interface that most people are used to. Um

and that could allow n easy navigation , used as a joystick as well.

Mm-hmm. The other key feature that uh that would be a good idea built into it is t is is to make something you know fairly sort of ergonomic , something that just fits  fits as comfortably as possible into the hand. But of course , uh al al also allows for  the possibility of a more sort of slightly unconventional or attractive uh sha shape for it overall , .


and that could allow n easy navigation , used as a joystick as well.

Mm-hmm. The other key feature that uh that would be a good idea built into it is t is is to make something you know fairly sort of ergonomic , something that just fits  fits as comfortably as possible into the hand. But of course , uh al al also allows for  the possibility of a more sort of slightly unconventional or attractive uh sha shape for it overall , .


Mm-hmm. The other key feature that uh that would be a good idea built into it is t is is to make something you know fairly sort of ergonomic , something that just fits  fits as comfortably as possible into the hand. But of course , uh al al also allows for  the possibility of a more sort of slightly unconventional or attractive uh sha shape for it overall , .

small , stylish , and something that's just a little different.


small , stylish , and something that's just a little different.

mm-hmm. Something sort of sort of sl slightly sort of biomorphic in form ,  uh which it would need to be to sort of conform to the shape of the hand more efficiently anyway.


small , stylish , and something that's just a little different.

mm-hmm. Something sort of sort of sl slightly sort of biomorphic in form ,  uh which it would need to be to sort of conform to the shape of the hand more efficiently anyway.

Okay. That's definitely something that we should be able to do quite easily. I would I would have hoped so anyway. Um , right. I'd say we finish this one up , we get started , I'll get in , I'll write up what we've um kind of quickly done , and I'll get that out to everybody. Yeah ?


mm-hmm. Something sort of sort of sl slightly sort of biomorphic in form ,  uh which it would need to be to sort of conform to the shape of the hand more efficiently anyway.

Okay. That's definitely something that we should be able to do quite easily. I would I would have hoped so anyway. Um , right. I'd say we finish this one up , we get started , I'll get in , I'll write up what we've um kind of quickly done , and I'll get that out to everybody. Yeah ?


Okay. That's definitely something that we should be able to do quite easily. I would I would have hoped so anyway. Um , right. I'd say we finish this one up , we get started , I'll get in , I'll write up what we've um kind of quickly done , and I'll get that out to everybody. Yeah ?

Um , as far as I'm aware we leave the microphones here , um unless we get told otherwise , and just take the laptops with us.


Um , as far as I'm aware we leave the microphones here , um unless we get told otherwise , and just take the laptops with us.


So we come to the third meetings. I have  good.

Um so in the last meeting we have discussed the functional design and now we will talk about the conceptual design. So we will talk about some specific details.

Okay so I think I will do my presentation on the components concept so can you please uh open uh  I'm participant two.


Um so in the last meeting we have discussed the functional design and now we will talk about the conceptual design. So we will talk about some specific details.

Okay so I think I will do my presentation on the components concept so can you please uh open uh  I'm participant two.


Okay so I think I will do my presentation on the components concept so can you please uh open uh  I'm participant two.

Okay so uh the first thing uh I have done is to to made a review together with the uh manufactural uh department and have which components was uh available to build a remote control. So for energy sources we have we have to choose between the solar energy , hand dynamo and uh kinetic um well uh kinetic uh technique  to to store the energy.


Okay so uh the first thing uh I have done is to to made a review together with the uh manufactural uh department and have which components was uh available to build a remote control. So for energy sources we have we have to choose between the solar energy , hand dynamo and uh kinetic um well uh kinetic uh technique  to to store the energy.

We also um  we also can put a regular battery in the in the remote control. Now


Okay so uh the first thing uh I have done is to to made a review together with the uh manufactural uh department and have which components was uh available to build a remote control. So for energy sources we have we have to choose between the solar energy , hand dynamo and uh kinetic um well uh kinetic uh technique  to to store the energy.

We also um  we also can put a regular battery in the in the remote control. Now

Uh this is what we have decided in the last meeting. But if we use battery


Okay so uh the first thing uh I have done is to to made a review together with the uh manufactural uh department and have which components was uh available to build a remote control. So for energy sources we have we have to choose between the solar energy , hand dynamo and uh kinetic um well uh kinetic uh technique  to to store the energy.

We also um  we also can put a regular battery in the in the remote control. Now

Uh this is what we have decided in the last meeting. But if we use battery

Yeah b uh f well uh I meant uh by by battery I meant uh I will not have a uh a wire between the remote control and the energy source but uh I didn't fou we didn't decide yet which kind of battery we will put inside the the remote. So uh it's a point to discuss. Then uh the case material we have uh uh also several choices , like wood , rubber , titanium or latex.  But uh well it's not a a re uh well a real issue for the   from the technical uh point of view. Concerning the interface uh we can we can put mm just simple buttons or scrolls or buttons uh much more complicated , but it also requires that the chip to process the button is more complicated so.


We also um  we also can put a regular battery in the in the remote control. Now

Uh this is what we have decided in the last meeting. But if we use battery

Yeah b uh f well uh I meant uh by by battery I meant uh I will not have a uh a wire between the remote control and the energy source but uh I didn't fou we didn't decide yet which kind of battery we will put inside the the remote. So uh it's a point to discuss. Then uh the case material we have uh uh also several choices , like wood , rubber , titanium or latex.  But uh well it's not a a re uh well a real issue for the   from the technical uh point of view. Concerning the interface uh we can we can put mm just simple buttons or scrolls or buttons uh much more complicated , but it also requires that the chip to process the button is more complicated so.


Uh this is what we have decided in the last meeting. But if we use battery

Yeah b uh f well uh I meant uh by by battery I meant uh I will not have a uh a wire between the remote control and the energy source but uh I didn't fou we didn't decide yet which kind of battery we will put inside the the remote. So uh it's a point to discuss. Then uh the case material we have uh uh also several choices , like wood , rubber , titanium or latex.  But uh well it's not a a re uh well a real issue for the   from the technical uh point of view. Concerning the interface uh we can we can put mm just simple buttons or scrolls or buttons uh much more complicated , but it also requires that the chip to process the button is more complicated so.

And uh this is the last point , the choice of chips. So what I have f found is that I think basic battery or kinetic uh energy uh collection is the is the better way to provide energy because I think solar energy wi won't work  in a cluttered uh  uh environment.


Yeah b uh f well uh I meant uh by by battery I meant uh I will not have a uh a wire between the remote control and the energy source but uh I didn't fou we didn't decide yet which kind of battery we will put inside the the remote. So uh it's a point to discuss. Then uh the case material we have uh uh also several choices , like wood , rubber , titanium or latex.  But uh well it's not a a re uh well a real issue for the   from the technical uh point of view. Concerning the interface uh we can we can put mm just simple buttons or scrolls or buttons uh much more complicated , but it also requires that the chip to process the button is more complicated so.

And uh this is the last point , the choice of chips. So what I have f found is that I think basic battery or kinetic uh energy uh collection is the is the better way to provide energy because I think solar energy wi won't work  in a cluttered uh  uh environment.


And uh this is the last point , the choice of chips. So what I have f found is that I think basic battery or kinetic uh energy uh collection is the is the better way to provide energy because I think solar energy wi won't work  in a cluttered uh  uh environment.

So um so I think we can start with these two main things. For the case uh well uh I think that uh titanium is um is a good choice because it's trendy and it's uh it's uh well it's modern and uh user are are are  mm will be uh very happy to have a  a a nice remote. For the interface uh I think that we can ach achieve uh all the desired functionalities by s just uh using uh rubber buttons , simple buttons and th thus this allow to use a regular chip  that are uh well cheaper.


So um so I think we can start with these two main things. For the case uh well uh I think that uh titanium is um is a good choice because it's trendy and it's uh it's uh well it's modern and uh user are are are  mm will be uh very happy to have a  a a nice remote. For the interface uh I think that we can ach achieve uh all the desired functionalities by s just uh using uh rubber buttons , simple buttons and th thus this allow to use a regular chip  that are uh well cheaper.

And s so uh we can move to the next slide.


And s so uh we can move to the next slide.


And s so uh we can move to the next slide.

What is this single curved  what does it mean ?


What is this single curved  what does it mean ?

Well uh uh i i it's uh it's the the shape of the um of the remote.


What is this single curved  what does it mean ?

Well uh uh i i it's uh it's the the shape of the um of the remote.

You you will have the  well um the the curve will fit into your hand when you grab the


Well uh uh i i it's uh it's the the shape of the um of the remote.

You you will have the  well um the the curve will fit into your hand when you grab the

Yo l yeah. When you hold on it , it is comfortable to hold.


You you will have the  well um the the curve will fit into your hand when you grab the

Yo l yeah. When you hold on it , it is comfortable to hold.

Yeah. It's more confog f comfortable that if these uh it's completely flat.


You you will have the  well um the the curve will fit into your hand when you grab the

Yo l yeah. When you hold on it , it is comfortable to hold.

Yeah. It's more confog f comfortable that if these uh it's completely flat.

Okay. Yeah. And the battery , is it kind of a rechargeable or it doesn't matter ?


Yo l yeah. When you hold on it , it is comfortable to hold.

Yeah. It's more confog f comfortable that if these uh it's completely flat.

Okay. Yeah. And the battery , is it kind of a rechargeable or it doesn't matter ?

Yeah the um that's the point. The kinetic one is uh y you can recharge uh by the um


Yeah. It's more confog f comfortable that if these uh it's completely flat.

Okay. Yeah. And the battery , is it kind of a rechargeable or it doesn't matter ?

Yeah the um that's the point. The kinetic one is uh y you can recharge uh by the um