Um. OK , the next one , uh ,  this is a term. The problem with terminology. Description with th the transcriber has " X as an advance ". But really it 's " QS in advance ". I mean , I  I 've benefited from some of these , uh , cross - group meetings. OK , then you got , um ,  uh , instead of " from something - or - other cards " ,  it 's " for multicast ". And instead of " ANN system related " , it 's " end system related ". This was changed to an acronym initially and it should shouldn't have been. And then , you can see here " GPS " was misinterpreted. It 's just totally understanda This is  this is a lot of jargon. Um , and the final one , the transcriber had th " in the core network itself or the exit unknown , not the internet unknown ". And it  it comes through as " in the core network itself of the access provider , not the internet backbone core ". Now this is a lot of  terminology. And they 're generally extremely good ,

but , you know in this  this area it really does pay to , um  to double check and I 'm hoping that when the checked versions are run through the recognizer that you 'll see s substantial improvements in performance cuz the  you know , there 're a lot of these in there.


but , you know in this  this area it really does pay to , um  to double check and I 'm hoping that when the checked versions are run through the recognizer that you 'll see s substantial improvements in performance cuz the  you know , there 're a lot of these in there.

Yeah , but I bet  I bet they 're acoustically challenging parts anyway , though.


Yeah , but I bet  I bet they 're acoustically challenging parts anyway , though.


Oh , really ? Uh , it 's  Oh , so it 's just jargon.


Oh , really ? Uh , it 's  Oh , so it 's just jargon.

It 's jargon. Yeah. I mean this is  cuz , you know you don't realize in daily life how much you have top - down influences in what you 're hearing.


Oh , really ? Uh , it 's  Oh , so it 's just jargon.

It 's jargon. Yeah. I mean this is  cuz , you know you don't realize in daily life how much you have top - down influences in what you 're hearing.

And it 's jar it 's jargon coupled with a foreign accent.


It 's jargon. Yeah. I mean this is  cuz , you know you don't realize in daily life how much you have top - down influences in what you 're hearing.

And it 's jar it 's jargon coupled with a foreign accent.

But  but  But we don't  I mean , our language model right now doesn't know about these words anyhow. So ,


And it 's jar it 's jargon coupled with a foreign accent.

But  but  But we don't  I mean , our language model right now doesn't know about these words anyhow. So ,


And it 's jar it 's jargon coupled with a foreign accent.

But  but  But we don't  I mean , our language model right now doesn't know about these words anyhow. So ,

you know , un until you actually  get a decent language model , @ @  Adam 's right.


But  but  But we don't  I mean , our language model right now doesn't know about these words anyhow. So ,

you know , un until you actually  get a decent language model , @ @  Adam 's right.


you know , un until you actually  get a decent language model , @ @  Adam 's right.

You probably won't notice a difference. But it 's  I mean , it 's definitely good that these are fixed. I mean ,  obviously.


you know , un until you actually  get a decent language model , @ @  Adam 's right.

You probably won't notice a difference. But it 's  I mean , it 's definitely good that these are fixed. I mean ,  obviously.

Well , also from the standpoint of getting people 's approval ,


You probably won't notice a difference. But it 's  I mean , it 's definitely good that these are fixed. I mean ,  obviously.

Well , also from the standpoint of getting people 's approval ,


You probably won't notice a difference. But it 's  I mean , it 's definitely good that these are fixed. I mean ,  obviously.

Well , also from the standpoint of getting people 's approval ,

cuz if someone sees a page full of uh , um , barely decipherable w you know , sentences , and then is asked to approve of it or not ,  it 's , uh , uh


Well , also from the standpoint of getting people 's approval ,

cuz if someone sees a page full of uh , um , barely decipherable w you know , sentences , and then is asked to approve of it or not ,  it 's , uh , uh


cuz if someone sees a page full of uh , um , barely decipherable w you know , sentences , and then is asked to approve of it or not ,  it 's , uh , uh


Yeah. That would be a shame if people said " well , I don't approve it because  the  it 's not what I said ".


Yeah. That would be a shame if people said " well , I don't approve it because  the  it 's not what I said ".

Well , that 's exactly why I put the extra option in ,


Well , that 's exactly why I put the extra option in ,


is that I was afraid people would say , " let 's censor that because it 's wrong " ,


is that I was afraid people would say , " let 's censor that because it 's wrong " ,

And then I also  the final thing I have for transcription is that I made a purchase of some other headphones


And then I also  the final thing I have for transcription is that I made a purchase of some other headphones

because of the problem of low gain in the originals. And  and they very much appro they mu much prefer the new ones , and actually I  I mean , I  I think that there will be fewer things to correct because of the  the choice. We 'd originally chosen , uh , very expensive head headsets


And then I also  the final thing I have for transcription is that I made a purchase of some other headphones

because of the problem of low gain in the originals. And  and they very much appro they mu much prefer the new ones , and actually I  I mean , I  I think that there will be fewer things to correct because of the  the choice. We 'd originally chosen , uh , very expensive head headsets

but , um , they 're just not as good as these , um , in this  with this respect to this particular task.


because of the problem of low gain in the originals. And  and they very much appro they mu much prefer the new ones , and actually I  I mean , I  I think that there will be fewer things to correct because of the  the choice. We 'd originally chosen , uh , very expensive head headsets

but , um , they 're just not as good as these , um , in this  with this respect to this particular task.


but , um , they 're just not as good as these , um , in this  with this respect to this particular task.

It 's probably impedance matching problems.


It 's probably impedance matching problems.


It 's probably impedance matching problems.

but we chose them because that 's what 's been used here by prominent projects in transcription.


but we chose them because that 's what 's been used here by prominent projects in transcription.


but we chose them because that 's what 's been used here by prominent projects in transcription.

So it i we had every reason to think they would work.


So it i we had every reason to think they would work.


They 're just earphones. They 're not headsets. They 're not microphones.


They 're just earphones. They 're not headsets. They 're not microphones.

No , no. I mean , just earphones ? Um , because I , uh , I could use one on my workstation , just to t because sometimes I have to listen to audio files and I don't have to b go borrow it from someone and


They 're just earphones. They 're not headsets. They 're not microphones.

No , no. I mean , just earphones ? Um , because I , uh , I could use one on my workstation , just to t because sometimes I have to listen to audio files and I don't have to b go borrow it from someone and

We have actua actually I have  W Well , the thing is , that if we have four people come to work  for a day , I was  I was hanging on to the others for , eh  for spares ,


No , no. I mean , just earphones ? Um , because I , uh , I could use one on my workstation , just to t because sometimes I have to listen to audio files and I don't have to b go borrow it from someone and

We have actua actually I have  W Well , the thing is , that if we have four people come to work  for a day , I was  I was hanging on to the others for , eh  for spares ,


We have actua actually I have  W Well , the thing is , that if we have four people come to work  for a day , I was  I was hanging on to the others for , eh  for spares ,

No , but you 'd  If you  Yeah , w we should get it.


No , but you 'd  If you  Yeah , w we should get it.


It 'd just have to be a s a separate order  an added order.


It 'd just have to be a s a separate order  an added order.

Yeah , I still  I still need to get a pair , too.


It 'd just have to be a s a separate order  an added order.

Yeah , I still  I still need to get a pair , too.

They 're  they 're  they 're  they 're pretty inexpensive.


It 'd just have to be a s a separate order  an added order.

Yeah , I still  I still need to get a pair , too.

They 're  they 're  they 're  they 're pretty inexpensive.

Yeah , that  We should order a cou uh , t two or three or four , actually.


Yeah , I still  I still need to get a pair , too.

They 're  they 're  they 're  they 're pretty inexpensive.

Yeah , that  We should order a cou uh , t two or three or four , actually.


They 're  they 're  they 're  they 're pretty inexpensive.

Yeah , that  We should order a cou uh , t two or three or four , actually.


Yeah , that  We should order a cou uh , t two or three or four , actually.


I think I have a pair that I brought from home , but it 's f just for music listening


Cambridge SoundWorks , just down the street.


Cuz I think  sounds like people are interested.


It 's made a difference in  in how easy. Yeah.


It 's made a difference in  in how easy. Yeah.

I realized something I should talk about. So what 's the other thing on the agenda actually ?


It 's made a difference in  in how easy. Yeah.

I realized something I should talk about. So what 's the other thing on the agenda actually ?

Uh , the only one was Don wanted to , uh , talk about disk space yet again.


It 's made a difference in  in how easy. Yeah.

I realized something I should talk about. So what 's the other thing on the agenda actually ?

Uh , the only one was Don wanted to , uh , talk about disk space yet again.

Yeah. u It 's short. I mean , if you wanna go , we can just throw it in at the end.


I realized something I should talk about. So what 's the other thing on the agenda actually ?

Uh , the only one was Don wanted to , uh , talk about disk space yet again.

Yeah. u It 's short. I mean , if you wanna go , we can just throw it in at the end.

No , no. Why don't you  why don't you go ahead since it 's short.


Uh , the only one was Don wanted to , uh , talk about disk space yet again.

Yeah. u It 's short. I mean , if you wanna go , we can just throw it in at the end.

No , no. Why don't you  why don't you go ahead since it 's short.


Yeah. u It 's short. I mean , if you wanna go , we can just throw it in at the end.

No , no. Why don't you  why don't you go ahead since it 's short.

Oh , I thought you meant the disk space. Yeah , we know disk space is short.


No , no. Why don't you  why don't you go ahead since it 's short.

Oh , I thought you meant the disk space. Yeah , we know disk space is short.

The disk space was short. Yeah. That 's what I thought too.


Oh , I thought you meant the disk space. Yeah , we know disk space is short.

The disk space was short. Yeah. That 's what I thought too.


The disk space was short. Yeah. That 's what I thought too.


See , if I had that little  scratch - pad , I would have made an X there.


Um.  So , um , without thinking about it , when I offered up my hard drive last week


But , um , no. I , uh  I realized that we 're going to be doing a lot of experiments , um ,  o for this , uh , paper we 're writing , so we 're probably gonna need a lot more  We 're probably gonna need  that disk space that we had on that eighteen gig hard drive. But , um , we also have someone else coming in that 's gonna help us out with some stuff.


But , um , no. I , uh  I realized that we 're going to be doing a lot of experiments , um ,  o for this , uh , paper we 're writing , so we 're probably gonna need a lot more  We 're probably gonna need  that disk space that we had on that eighteen gig hard drive. But , um , we also have someone else coming in that 's gonna help us out with some stuff.

We 've just ordered a hundred gigabytes.


But , um , no. I , uh  I realized that we 're going to be doing a lot of experiments , um ,  o for this , uh , paper we 're writing , so we 're probably gonna need a lot more  We 're probably gonna need  that disk space that we had on that eighteen gig hard drive. But , um , we also have someone else coming in that 's gonna help us out with some stuff.

We 've just ordered a hundred gigabytes.

I think we need , like , another eighteen gig disk  to be safe.


We 've just ordered a hundred gigabytes.

I think we need , like , another eighteen gig disk  to be safe.

Well , we 're getting three thirty  thirty - sixes.


I think we need , like , another eighteen gig disk  to be safe.

Well , we 're getting three thirty  thirty - sixes.


Well , we 're getting three thirty  thirty - sixes.


That are going into the main f file server.


That are going into the main f file server.

Markham 's ordering and they should be coming in soon.


Markham 's ordering and they should be coming in soon.


Markham 's ordering and they should be coming in soon.

Yeah. I mean , I guess the thing is is , all I need is to hang it off , like ,  the person who 's coming in , Sonali 's , computer.


Yeah. I mean , I guess the thing is is , all I need is to hang it off , like ,  the person who 's coming in , Sonali 's , computer.

Oh , so  so , you mean the d the internal  the disks on the machines that we just got ?


Oh , so  so , you mean the d the internal  the disks on the machines that we just got ?


So are we gonna move the stuff off of my hard drive onto that when those come in ?


Do  when  when is this planned for  roughly ?


Do  when  when is this planned for  roughly ?

They should be  I  I imagine next week or something.


They should be  I  I imagine next week or something.

If you 're  if you 're desperate , I have some space on my drive.


If you 're  if you 're desperate , I have some space on my drive.


If you 're  if you 're desperate , I have some space on my drive.

But I  I vacillate between no space free and  a few gig free.


If you 're  if you 're desperate , I have some space on my drive.

But I  I vacillate between no space free and  a few gig free.

Yeah. I think I can find something if I 'm desperate


But I  I vacillate between no space free and  a few gig free.

Yeah. I think I can find something if I 'm desperate


Yeah. I think I can find something if I 'm desperate

and , um , in the meantime I 'll just hold out.


and , um , in the meantime I 'll just hold out.


and , um , in the meantime I 'll just hold out.

That was the only thing I wanted to bring up.


That was the only thing I wanted to bring up.


Yeah. A hundred gig here , a hundred gig there.


Yeah. A hundred gig here , a hundred gig there.

Well , each meeting is like a gig or something ,


Well , each meeting is like a gig or something ,


Yeah. Um. Yeah. I was just going to comment that I I 'm going to , uh , be on the phone with Mari tomorrow , late afternoon.


Yeah. Um. Yeah. I was just going to comment that I I 'm going to , uh , be on the phone with Mari tomorrow , late afternoon.

We 're supposed to  get together and talk about , uh , where we are on things. Uh , there 's this meeting coming up , uh , and there 's also an annual report. Now , I never actually  I  I was asking about this. I don't really quite understand this. She was re she was referring to it as  I think this actually  didn't just come from her , but this is  what , uh , DARPA had asked for. Um , she 's referring to it as the an annual report for the fiscal year. But of course the fiscal year starts in October , so I don't quite understand w w why we do an annual report that we 're writing in July.


Yeah. Um. Yeah. I was just going to comment that I I 'm going to , uh , be on the phone with Mari tomorrow , late afternoon.

We 're supposed to  get together and talk about , uh , where we are on things. Uh , there 's this meeting coming up , uh , and there 's also an annual report. Now , I never actually  I  I was asking about this. I don't really quite understand this. She was re she was referring to it as  I think this actually  didn't just come from her , but this is  what , uh , DARPA had asked for. Um , she 's referring to it as the an annual report for the fiscal year. But of course the fiscal year starts in October , so I don't quite understand w w why we do an annual report that we 're writing in July.

She 's either really late or really early.


We 're supposed to  get together and talk about , uh , where we are on things. Uh , there 's this meeting coming up , uh , and there 's also an annual report. Now , I never actually  I  I was asking about this. I don't really quite understand this. She was re she was referring to it as  I think this actually  didn't just come from her , but this is  what , uh , DARPA had asked for. Um , she 's referring to it as the an annual report for the fiscal year. But of course the fiscal year starts in October , so I don't quite understand w w why we do an annual report that we 're writing in July.

She 's either really late or really early.

Huh. Or she 's getting a good early start.


We 're supposed to  get together and talk about , uh , where we are on things. Uh , there 's this meeting coming up , uh , and there 's also an annual report. Now , I never actually  I  I was asking about this. I don't really quite understand this. She was re she was referring to it as  I think this actually  didn't just come from her , but this is  what , uh , DARPA had asked for. Um , she 's referring to it as the an annual report for the fiscal year. But of course the fiscal year starts in October , so I don't quite understand w w why we do an annual report that we 're writing in July.

She 's either really late or really early.

Huh. Or she 's getting a good early start.

Uh , I think basically it it 's none of those. It 's that the meeting is in July so they  so DARPA just said do an annual report. So. So. So anyway , I 'll be putting together stuff. I 'll do it , uh , you know , as much as I can without bothering people , just by looking at  at papers and status reports. I mean , the status reports you do are very helpful.


She 's either really late or really early.

Huh. Or she 's getting a good early start.

Uh , I think basically it it 's none of those. It 's that the meeting is in July so they  so DARPA just said do an annual report. So. So. So anyway , I 'll be putting together stuff. I 'll do it , uh , you know , as much as I can without bothering people , just by looking at  at papers and status reports. I mean , the status reports you do are very helpful.


Huh. Or she 's getting a good early start.

Uh , I think basically it it 's none of those. It 's that the meeting is in July so they  so DARPA just said do an annual report. So. So. So anyway , I 'll be putting together stuff. I 'll do it , uh , you know , as much as I can without bothering people , just by looking at  at papers and status reports. I mean , the status reports you do are very helpful.

Uh , so I can grab stuff there. And if , uh  if I have some questions I 'll


Uh , I think basically it it 's none of those. It 's that the meeting is in July so they  so DARPA just said do an annual report. So. So. So anyway , I 'll be putting together stuff. I 'll do it , uh , you know , as much as I can without bothering people , just by looking at  at papers and status reports. I mean , the status reports you do are very helpful.

Uh , so I can grab stuff there. And if , uh  if I have some questions I 'll


Uh , so I can grab stuff there. And if , uh  if I have some questions I 'll

Yeah. If  people could do it as soon as  as you can , if you haven't done one si recently. Uh.  Uh , but , you know , I 'm  I 'm sure before  it 's all done , I 'll end up bugging people for  for more clarification about stuff. Um.  But , um , I don't know , I guess  I guess I know pretty much what people have been doing. We have these meetings and  and there 's the status reports. Uh. But , um. Um. Yeah. So that wasn't a long one. Just to tell you that. And if something  hasn't , uh  I 'll be talking to her late tomorrow afternoon , and if something hasn't been in a status report and you think it 's important thing to mention on  this kind of thing , uh , uh , just pop me a one - liner and  and  and I 'll  I 'll have it in front of me for the phone conversation.


Yeah. If  people could do it as soon as  as you can , if you haven't done one si recently. Uh.  Uh , but , you know , I 'm  I 'm sure before  it 's all done , I 'll end up bugging people for  for more clarification about stuff. Um.  But , um , I don't know , I guess  I guess I know pretty much what people have been doing. We have these meetings and  and there 's the status reports. Uh. But , um. Um. Yeah. So that wasn't a long one. Just to tell you that. And if something  hasn't , uh  I 'll be talking to her late tomorrow afternoon , and if something hasn't been in a status report and you think it 's important thing to mention on  this kind of thing , uh , uh , just pop me a one - liner and  and  and I 'll  I 'll have it in front of me for the phone conversation.

Uh. I guess , uh , you you 're still pecking away at the  demos and all that , probably.


Yeah. If  people could do it as soon as  as you can , if you haven't done one si recently. Uh.  Uh , but , you know , I 'm  I 'm sure before  it 's all done , I 'll end up bugging people for  for more clarification about stuff. Um.  But , um , I don't know , I guess  I guess I know pretty much what people have been doing. We have these meetings and  and there 's the status reports. Uh. But , um. Um. Yeah. So that wasn't a long one. Just to tell you that. And if something  hasn't , uh  I 'll be talking to her late tomorrow afternoon , and if something hasn't been in a status report and you think it 's important thing to mention on  this kind of thing , uh , uh , just pop me a one - liner and  and  and I 'll  I 'll have it in front of me for the phone conversation.

Uh. I guess , uh , you you 're still pecking away at the  demos and all that , probably.

Yep. And Don is  gonna be helping out with that.


Uh. I guess , uh , you you 're still pecking away at the  demos and all that , probably.

Yep. And Don is  gonna be helping out with that.


Yep. And Don is  gonna be helping out with that.


Did you wanna talk about that this afternoon ?


Did you wanna talk about that this afternoon ?

We should probably talk off - line about when we 're gonna talk off - line.


We should probably talk off - line about when we 're gonna talk off - line.


We should probably talk off - line about when we 're gonna talk off - line.

OK. Yeah , I might want to get updated about it in about a week cuz , um , I 'm actually gonna have a   a few days off the following week , a after the  after the picnic. So.


OK. Yeah , I might want to get updated about it in about a week cuz , um , I 'm actually gonna have a   a few days off the following week , a after the  after the picnic. So.


OK. Yeah , I might want to get updated about it in about a week cuz , um , I 'm actually gonna have a   a few days off the following week , a after the  after the picnic. So.

So we were gonna do sort of status of speech transcription  automatic transcription , but we 're kind of running late. So.


So we were gonna do sort of status of speech transcription  automatic transcription , but we 're kind of running late. So.

How long does it take you to save the data ?


How long does it take you to save the data ?


Guess we should stop , like , twenty of at the latest.


Guess we should stop , like , twenty of at the latest.

We  we have another meeting coming in that they wanna record.


We  we have another meeting coming in that they wanna record.


We could. Fi - five minute report or something.


Yeah. Well , I 'm gonna be on the phone tomorrow , so this is just a  good example of  the sort of thing I 'd like to  hear about.


Uh. I 'm not sure what you were referring to.


Uh. I 'm not sure what you were referring to.

I  I  I  I 'm not  actually , I 'm not sure what  ? Are we supposed to have done something ?


Uh. I 'm not sure what you were referring to.

I  I  I  I 'm not  actually , I 'm not sure what  ? Are we supposed to have done something ?

No. We were just talking before about alternating the subject of the meeting.


I  I  I  I 'm not  actually , I 'm not sure what  ? Are we supposed to have done something ?

No. We were just talking before about alternating the subject of the meeting.


No. We were just talking before about alternating the subject of the meeting.

And this week we were gonna try to do  t automatic transcription  status.


And this week we were gonna try to do  t automatic transcription  status.


OK. So now  now we have the schedule. So next week we 'll do automatic transcription status , plus anything that 's real timely.


Uh , I mean , we  we really haven't done anything.


I mean , the  the next thing on our agenda is to go back and look at the , um   the automatic alignments because , uh , I got some  I  I  I learned from Thilo what data we can use as a benchmark to see how well we 're doing on automatic alignments of the background speech  or , of the foreground speech with background speech.


I mean , the  the next thing on our agenda is to go back and look at the , um   the automatic alignments because , uh , I got some  I  I  I learned from Thilo what data we can use as a benchmark to see how well we 're doing on automatic alignments of the background speech  or , of the foreground speech with background speech.

And then , uh , I guess , the new data that Don will start to process


And then , uh , I guess , the new data that Don will start to process


And then , uh , I guess , the new data that Don will start to process

the , um  when he can get these  You know , before we were working with these segments that were all synchronous and that caused a lot of problems


the , um  when he can get these  You know , before we were working with these segments that were all synchronous and that caused a lot of problems

because you have timed sp at  on either side.


because you have timed sp at  on either side.

And so that 's sort of a stage - two of trying the same kinds of alignments with the tighter boundaries with them is really the next step.


And so that 's sort of a stage - two of trying the same kinds of alignments with the tighter boundaries with them is really the next step.


And so that 's sort of a stage - two of trying the same kinds of alignments with the tighter boundaries with them is really the next step.

We did get our , um  I guess , good news. We got our abstract accepted for this conference , um  workshop , ISCA workshop , in , um , uh , New Jersey. And we sent in a very poor abstract , but they  very poor , very quick. Um , but we 're hoping to have a paper for that as well , which should be an interesting


We did get our , um  I guess , good news. We got our abstract accepted for this conference , um  workshop , ISCA workshop , in , um , uh , New Jersey. And we sent in a very poor abstract , but they  very poor , very quick. Um , but we 're hoping to have a paper for that as well , which should be an interesting


We did get our , um  I guess , good news. We got our abstract accepted for this conference , um  workshop , ISCA workshop , in , um , uh , New Jersey. And we sent in a very poor abstract , but they  very poor , very quick. Um , but we 're hoping to have a paper for that as well , which should be an interesting

The t paper isn't due until August. The abstracts were already due. So it 's that kind of workshop.


The t paper isn't due until August. The abstracts were already due. So it 's that kind of workshop.

But , I mean , the good news is that that will have sort of the European experts in prosody  sort of a different crowd , and I think we 're the only people working on prosody in meetings so far , so that should be interesting.


But , I mean , the good news is that that will have sort of the European experts in prosody  sort of a different crowd , and I think we 're the only people working on prosody in meetings so far , so that should be interesting.

Uh , it 's ISCA Workshop on Prosody in Speech Recognition and Understanding , or something like that


Uh , it 's ISCA Workshop on Prosody in Speech Recognition and Understanding , or something like that


some generic  Uh , so it 's focused on using prosody in automatic systems and there 's a  um , a web page for it.


some generic  Uh , so it 's focused on using prosody in automatic systems and there 's a  um , a web page for it.

Y you going to , uh , Eurospeech ? Yeah.


Y you going to , uh , Eurospeech ? Yeah.

but I 'd kinda like to go , if I could. Is that alright ?


but I 'd kinda like to go , if I could. Is that alright ?


but I 'd kinda like to go , if I could. Is that alright ?

My  my  my car  my car needs a good wash , by the way.


My  my  my car  my car needs a good wash , by the way.

OK. Well , that th Hey , if that 's what it takes , that 's fine with me.


My  my  my car  my car needs a good wash , by the way.

OK. Well , that th Hey , if that 's what it takes , that 's fine with me.

I 'll pick up your dry - cleaning , too. Should we do digits ?


OK. Well , that th Hey , if that 's what it takes , that 's fine with me.

I 'll pick up your dry - cleaning , too. Should we do digits ?


I 'll pick up your dry - cleaning , too. Should we do digits ?


I 'll pick up your dry - cleaning , too. Should we do digits ?

Can I go next ? Because I have to leave , actually.


Can I go next ? Because I have to leave , actually.

Yep. Go for it. Hmm ! Thanks. Thank you.


Can I go next ? Because I have to leave , actually.

Yep. Go for it. Hmm ! Thanks. Thank you.

So you get to be the one who has all the paper rustling. Right ?


'Kay. Hmm. Okay everybody. Welcome to the detailed design meeting. Um   Let's see. Our agenda. Last time we discussed the squishy fruitiness of  our remote controls and how we might pursue that. Um and I think  looks like we've come up with some ideas. Um and we also talked about materials we'd use and what kind of chip would be necessary. Um so for later in the meeting I've done a a spreadsheet of production costs so we'll take a look at that. Um and see if it's changed at all from when we last discussed it. Um  so actually I think  Yeah um f  you guys wanna give a prototype presentation of

Okay well um. So our design looks something like this. This being the wheel that you use to uh change channels or volume or whatever. This is a button , serves as the power button if you hold it down , and if you just tap on it I think it brings up the menu. And uh the base of the remote control , which has a squishy spongy rubbery feel , is interchangeable. So you can change the colour , according to your  to suit your living room or whatever. And it comes

You could change the vegetable , or fruit.


Okay well um. So our design looks something like this. This being the wheel that you use to uh change channels or volume or whatever. This is a button , serves as the power button if you hold it down , and if you just tap on it I think it brings up the menu. And uh the base of the remote control , which has a squishy spongy rubbery feel , is interchangeable. So you can change the colour , according to your  to suit your living room or whatever. And it comes

You could change the vegetable , or fruit.


You could change the vegetable , or fruit.


So this snaps off and you can put on whichever one you want. This is not to scale 'cause it would have the battery inside it. This is a mango.


So this snaps off and you can put on whichever one you want. This is not to scale 'cause it would have the battery inside it. This is a mango.

The  it's trendy fruit , it's not just ordinary fruits.


So this snaps off and you can put on whichever one you want. This is not to scale 'cause it would have the battery inside it. This is a mango.

The  it's trendy fruit , it's not just ordinary fruits.

You don't have orange , you have mango. Um I guess strawberry's not as trendy , but


The  it's trendy fruit , it's not just ordinary fruits.

You don't have orange , you have mango. Um I guess strawberry's not as trendy , but

So we'll come up with a variety of trendy and exciting fruit designs for the remote control. And then people will be encouraged to buy three or five of them , because they'll need to switch 'em out.


You don't have orange , you have mango. Um I guess strawberry's not as trendy , but

So we'll come up with a variety of trendy and exciting fruit designs for the remote control. And then people will be encouraged to buy three or five of them , because they'll need to switch 'em out.


So we'll come up with a variety of trendy and exciting fruit designs for the remote control. And then people will be encouraged to buy three or five of them , because they'll need to switch 'em out.

It's been a little bit difficult to um make sure that it's hand-holdable , and that the user can use it , you know , it's not too big. Uh but we think that this you know , this size will be okay and we will have to fit the battery case in there somehow.


It's been a little bit difficult to um make sure that it's hand-holdable , and that the user can use it , you know , it's not too big. Uh but we think that this you know , this size will be okay and we will have to fit the battery case in there somehow.


It's been a little bit difficult to um make sure that it's hand-holdable , and that the user can use it , you know , it's not too big. Uh but we think that this you know , this size will be okay and we will have to fit the battery case in there somehow.

And I guess the only other thing that we really didn't talk about was  or design yet actually , would be the um thing  the locator. How how  so


And I guess the only other thing that we really didn't talk about was  or design yet actually , would be the um thing  the locator. How how  so

Well the locator is just chip that's inside there.


And I guess the only other thing that we really didn't talk about was  or design yet actually , would be the um thing  the locator. How how  so

Well the locator is just chip that's inside there.

And the beeper's also inside there too somewhere


Well the locator is just chip that's inside there.

And the beeper's also inside there too somewhere

So you have to have a button on your on your  you have to attach the button to the


And the beeper's also inside there too somewhere

So you have to have a button on your on your  you have to attach the button to the


And the beeper's also inside there too somewhere

So you have to have a button on your on your  you have to attach the button to the

Yeah we have  that that has yes yet to be designed.


So you have to have a button on your on your  you have to attach the button to the

Yeah we have  that that has yes yet to be designed.

But it would be coordinating with that of course.


Yeah we have  that that has yes yet to be designed.

But it would be coordinating with that of course.

Yeah that c hey that that could you know match the handset.


But it would be coordinating with that of course.

Yeah that c hey that that could you know match the handset.


Yeah that c hey that that could you know match the handset.

You could have a broccoli , or you could have a mango.


You could have a broccoli , or you could have a mango.


You could have a broccoli , or you could have a mango.

Oh. Um if you wanna look in your project documents folder , there's an Excel spreadsheet. Um the only one that's in there , production costs. And if you open it up. Um I've just stuck the numbers in , it was a real challenge there.  But if I missed anything that we've gone over , or if you see something that has changed


You could have a broccoli , or you could have a mango.

Oh. Um if you wanna look in your project documents folder , there's an Excel spreadsheet. Um the only one that's in there , production costs. And if you open it up. Um I've just stuck the numbers in , it was a real challenge there.  But if I missed anything that we've gone over , or if you see something that has changed

I mean , we decided on batteries , and the regular chip would be necessary for the more advanced iPod-like button. Um   I said uncurved or flat. I think that's what you have there , is that right ? For the for the plastic part would be


Oh. Um if you wanna look in your project documents folder , there's an Excel spreadsheet. Um the only one that's in there , production costs. And if you open it up. Um I've just stuck the numbers in , it was a real challenge there.  But if I missed anything that we've gone over , or if you see something that has changed

I mean , we decided on batteries , and the regular chip would be necessary for the more advanced iPod-like button. Um   I said uncurved or flat. I think that's what you have there , is that right ? For the for the plastic part would be

My impression was that flat meant like like one of those square remotes.


I mean , we decided on batteries , and the regular chip would be necessary for the more advanced iPod-like button. Um   I said uncurved or flat. I think that's what you have there , is that right ? For the for the plastic part would be

My impression was that flat meant like like one of those square remotes.

But it's really not very clear , because you got single curve and double curve and  d I dunno what that means.


My impression was that flat meant like like one of those square remotes.

But it's really not very clear , because you got single curve and double curve and  d I dunno what that means.


But it's really not very clear , because you got single curve and double curve and  d I dunno what that means.

One side is curved and then the other side is curved.


But it's really not very clear , because you got single curve and double curve and  d I dunno what that means.

One side is curved and then the other side is curved.

Well  yeah. If we're talking about the area just  oh I d I dunno. I guess we'd have to contact the company that makes them and see.


One side is curved and then the other side is curved.

Well  yeah. If we're talking about the area just  oh I d I dunno. I guess we'd have to contact the company that makes them and see.

Um so what else ? There's plastic for that area around the button. Um and then rubber would be the squishy like thing right ?


Well  yeah. If we're talking about the area just  oh I d I dunno. I guess we'd have to contact the company that makes them and see.

Um so what else ? There's plastic for that area around the button. Um and then rubber would be the squishy like thing right ?

Um and lots of special colours actually.  Uh scroll wheel. Do you see anything that I've missed ?


Um so what else ? There's plastic for that area around the button. Um and then rubber would be the squishy like thing right ?

Um and lots of special colours actually.  Uh scroll wheel. Do you see anything that I've missed ?


Um and lots of special colours actually.  Uh scroll wheel. Do you see anything that I've missed ?

Okay so that would make our total of eleven point nine , which is even less than twelve point five , which means we'd be making even more of a profit.


Okay so that would make our total of eleven point nine , which is even less than twelve point five , which means we'd be making even more of a profit.


Okay so that would make our total of eleven point nine , which is even less than twelve point five , which means we'd be making even more of a profit.

Boo yeah. Okay.  S So  Mm. Did y what did you work on ? The


Boo yeah. Okay.  S So  Mm. Did y what did you work on ? The


So I need  where's the cable ? Right what happens is we have to um decide whether this this whole this whole project we've been working on actually um meets the standards we were set at the start. Um. Right. This doesn't  okay. Um the method is  we  well I've analysed the user requirements and integrated them to the trends found in marketing reports and in our company strategy marketing. And um the findings were that we need it to look in a certain way , feel in a certain way , and this is  everything's listed down. Um , look in a certain way , feel in a certain way , it has to be technologically innovative and it has to be easy to use. These are all things we looked at at the start , um and criteria that have to be met. We have to use a table , I'll show you that later , together to decide whether it meets the standards. And  we we have therefore in total um  We have five  we have eleven points according to which this should be evaluated. And um the cri well basically the findings are the same as the evaluation criteria. I would like to show you the table we have to use. Um. No. This is the table. Can you see this here ?


So I need  where's the cable ? Right what happens is we have to um decide whether this this whole this whole project we've been working on actually um meets the standards we were set at the start. Um. Right. This doesn't  okay. Um the method is  we  well I've analysed the user requirements and integrated them to the trends found in marketing reports and in our company strategy marketing. And um the findings were that we need it to look in a certain way , feel in a certain way , and this is  everything's listed down. Um , look in a certain way , feel in a certain way , it has to be technologically innovative and it has to be easy to use. These are all things we looked at at the start , um and criteria that have to be met. We have to use a table , I'll show you that later , together to decide whether it meets the standards. And  we we have therefore in total um  We have five  we have eleven points according to which this should be evaluated. And um the cri well basically the findings are the same as the evaluation criteria. I would like to show you the table we have to use. Um. No. This is the table. Can you see this here ?

Um so the que the questions I've given you  c could you write that down ? True is one and and false is seven. And we'll just go through each point together , hopefully. Um. I think if each of us gives an opinion then they can be mixed somehow.


So I need  where's the cable ? Right what happens is we have to um decide whether this this whole this whole project we've been working on actually um meets the standards we were set at the start. Um. Right. This doesn't  okay. Um the method is  we  well I've analysed the user requirements and integrated them to the trends found in marketing reports and in our company strategy marketing. And um the findings were that we need it to look in a certain way , feel in a certain way , and this is  everything's listed down. Um , look in a certain way , feel in a certain way , it has to be technologically innovative and it has to be easy to use. These are all things we looked at at the start , um and criteria that have to be met. We have to use a table , I'll show you that later , together to decide whether it meets the standards. And  we we have therefore in total um  We have five  we have eleven points according to which this should be evaluated. And um the cri well basically the findings are the same as the evaluation criteria. I would like to show you the table we have to use. Um. No. This is the table. Can you see this here ?

Um so the que the questions I've given you  c could you write that down ? True is one and and false is seven. And we'll just go through each point together , hopefully. Um. I think if each of us gives an opinion then they can be mixed somehow.

I dunno how it works exactly , I haven't been told.


Um so the que the questions I've given you  c could you write that down ? True is one and and false is seven. And we'll just go through each point together , hopefully. Um. I think if each of us gives an opinion then they can be mixed somehow.

I dunno how it works exactly , I haven't been told.

Yeah. Is it possible that we can bring this up on our own


Um so the que the questions I've given you  c could you write that down ? True is one and and false is seven. And we'll just go through each point together , hopefully. Um. I think if each of us gives an opinion then they can be mixed somehow.

I dunno how it works exactly , I haven't been told.

Yeah. Is it possible that we can bring this up on our own

Yeah it's in the um  it's in the project documents.


I dunno how it works exactly , I haven't been told.

Yeah. Is it possible that we can bring this up on our own

Yeah it's in the um  it's in the project documents.

Is it meeting three minutes ? No it's not minutes.


Yeah. Is it possible that we can bring this up on our own

Yeah it's in the um  it's in the project documents.

Is it meeting three minutes ? No it's not minutes.


Yeah it's in the um  it's in the project documents.

Is it meeting three minutes ? No it's not minutes.


Is it meeting three minutes ? No it's not minutes.


Do you want us to discuss this together or do you want us to do it singly ?


Do you want us to discuss this together or do you want us to do it singly ?

Um we can do it separately and then discuss it


Um we can do it separately and then discuss it


so these are the questions we're answering. And one is


If it's somewhere in between you put four.


They shouldn't really be questions. Should be more like  Are the batteries easy to insert ?


They shouldn't really be questions. Should be more like  Are the batteries easy to insert ?

I imagine they're somewhere on the front. We have a little case that you slip 'em in.


I imagine they're somewhere on the front. We have a little case that you slip 'em in.


I imagine they're somewhere on the front. We have a little case that you slip 'em in.

Apparently I'm supposed to use the whiteboard. Do we  um is it necessary ?


Apparently I'm supposed to use the whiteboard. Do we  um is it necessary ?


Apparently I'm supposed to use the whiteboard. Do we  um is it necessary ?

yeah the the marker thing kinda stopped working last time we


yeah the the marker thing kinda stopped working last time we


right um  Right so one point one ? We'll just go in a circle.


Two. Okay so do we just add it up and divide it by four ? Is that what the company does ?


Oh no. It adds to thirteen. One five five two.


Oh no. It adds to thirteen. One five five two.

One five five two is thirteen , over four for now. I think that's um  next ?


One five five two is thirteen , over four for now. I think that's um  next ?


So it's a one was true and seven was false ?


So it's a one was true and seven was false ?

Okay , so you guys really didn't like it ?


Okay , so you guys really didn't like it ?


Okay , so you guys really didn't like it ?

Oh I thought it was the other way round.


Oh I thought it was the other way round.


Oh I thought it was the other way round.

I thought it was the other way round too.


I thought it was the other way round too.

So we do have about the same thing , we just have it the other way


I thought it was the other way round too.

So we do have about the same thing , we just have it the other way

Sh Yeah I I was thinking one means no points , you know , all the way up to the top .


So we do have about the same thing , we just have it the other way

Sh Yeah I I was thinking one means no points , you know , all the way up to the top .

Yeah yeah. It was one is true and  false is seven.


Sh Yeah I I was thinking one means no points , you know , all the way up to the top .

Yeah yeah. It was one is true and  false is seven.


Yeah yeah. It was one is true and  false is seven.

I'll just I'll just reverse them all. It's no problem.


I'll just I'll just reverse them all. It's no problem.


I was like , why did you guys design it that way if you hated it ?


Okay. So , starting again , one point one ?


Two point  I think I missed two.  Wait , is that two point one ?


Two point  I think I missed two.  Wait , is that two point one ?

Yeah I put it down as one point four for some reason.


Two point  I think I missed two.  Wait , is that two point one ?

Yeah I put it down as one point four for some reason.

One point four , one point five. Okay right


Yeah I put it down as one point four for some reason.

One point four , one point five. Okay right


One point four , one point five. Okay right


Sorry about that. T two point two , which is one point five.


Okay. Three point one. Is that correct on my slide ?


One , four , three , three , three point two ?


Okay I'll um I'll just do the calculations now if you want to continue.


Okay I'll um I'll just do the calculations now if you want to continue.

Or is it tedious ? I'm I'm sorry this was so tedious for everyone.


Okay I'll um I'll just do the calculations now if you want to continue.

Or is it tedious ? I'm I'm sorry this was so tedious for everyone.

No no that's um  I think we should look at the ones that  like where s where people said four , where  um it looks like we might wanna discuss changing an aspect of the remote.


Or is it tedious ? I'm I'm sorry this was so tedious for everyone.

No no that's um  I think we should look at the ones that  like where s where people said four , where  um it looks like we might wanna discuss changing an aspect of the remote.

I didn't know how else to do it. Okay. Well the worst ones were three point one.


No no that's um  I think we should look at the ones that  like where s where people said four , where  um it looks like we might wanna discuss changing an aspect of the remote.

I didn't know how else to do it. Okay. Well the worst ones were three point one.


I didn't know how else to do it. Okay. Well the worst ones were three point one.


Slide show. Material  technologically innovative , okay. Um ,


Slide show. Material  technologically innovative , okay. Um ,

do you want to change it ? What are the suggestions ? I don't know , anyone ?


do you want to change it ? What are the suggestions ? I don't know , anyone ?

Which one is that again sorry ? Three point one ?


Which one is that again sorry ? Three point one ?

Yeah that  it's three point one was not that good. Four point one.


Yeah that  it's three point one was not that good. Four point one.


See I'm having I'm having trouble imagining the  is it uh gonna be the size , like the the controller ? It  or bigger ?


See I'm having I'm having trouble imagining the  is it uh gonna be the size , like the the controller ? It  or bigger ?

I think the wheel would probably be  mm.


See I'm having I'm having trouble imagining the  is it uh gonna be the size , like the the controller ? It  or bigger ?

I think the wheel would probably be  mm.

What if we just smash all the vegetables down flat ?


I think the wheel would probably be  mm.

What if we just smash all the vegetables down flat ?

And like then it  you could hold it in your hand better.


What if we just smash all the vegetables down flat ?

And like then it  you could hold it in your hand better.

I think the base would definitely be larger , 'cause some of these are not as easy to hold. They're kinda smallish.


What if we just smash all the vegetables down flat ?

And like then it  you could hold it in your hand better.

I think the base would definitely be larger , 'cause some of these are not as easy to hold. They're kinda smallish.

Yeah. No but I imagine even if it was bigger , like if it's round and it's big then you you can't get  that's why remote controls are long because you have that thumb kind of


And like then it  you could hold it in your hand better.

I think the base would definitely be larger , 'cause some of these are not as easy to hold. They're kinda smallish.

Yeah. No but I imagine even if it was bigger , like if it's round and it's big then you you can't get  that's why remote controls are long because you have that thumb kind of


I think the base would definitely be larger , 'cause some of these are not as easy to hold. They're kinda smallish.

Yeah. No but I imagine even if it was bigger , like if it's round and it's big then you you can't get  that's why remote controls are long because you have that thumb kind of


Yeah. No but I imagine even if it was bigger , like if it's round and it's big then you you can't get  that's why remote controls are long because you have that thumb kind of


so c they could all be bananas and cucumbers.


so c they could all be bananas and cucumbers.

Um but I don't s I I personally don't think this is comfortable to to sit there , like it's an awkward position.


so c they could all be bananas and cucumbers.

Um but I don't s I I personally don't think this is comfortable to to sit there , like it's an awkward position.

I didn't  yeah. But like if if you just squash them flat like and you made it flat


Um but I don't s I I personally don't think this is comfortable to to sit there , like it's an awkward position.

I didn't  yeah. But like if if you just squash them flat like and you made it flat

Well if they're that s uh stress ball stuff they would be pretty squishable. Mm.


Um but I don't s I I personally don't think this is comfortable to to sit there , like it's an awkward position.

I didn't  yeah. But like if if you just squash them flat like and you made it flat

Well if they're that s uh stress ball stuff they would be pretty squishable. Mm.

But it's still too big I think , in your hand. Yeah.


I didn't  yeah. But like if if you just squash them flat like and you made it flat

Well if they're that s uh stress ball stuff they would be pretty squishable. Mm.

But it's still too big I think , in your hand. Yeah.

Yeah. And would it even resemble fruit that way ?


Well if they're that s uh stress ball stuff they would be pretty squishable. Mm.

But it's still too big I think , in your hand. Yeah.

Yeah. And would it even resemble fruit that way ?


But it's still too big I think , in your hand. Yeah.

Yeah. And would it even resemble fruit that way ?

Yeah like certain ones  you'd have to limit the fruit selection ,


Yeah. And would it even resemble fruit that way ?

Yeah like certain ones  you'd have to limit the fruit selection ,


Yeah like certain ones  you'd have to limit the fruit selection ,

like you could probably do a strawberry still.


like you could probably do a strawberry still.


like you could probably do a strawberry still.

You could do  , although the broccoli is quite comfortable , I have to say , like  sorta like a joystick.


You could do  , although the broccoli is quite comfortable , I have to say , like  sorta like a joystick.

Yeah that I I  when you were holding that before , it actually looked  yeah.


Yeah that I I  when you were holding that before , it actually looked  yeah.

Are there any fruits that look like broccoli , no ?


Are there any fruits that look like broccoli , no ?


I think that broccoli is my favourite actually.


What if um the  it was just patterns on like  we we chose the shape or the sh shape could be whatever we wanted and then it would just be like a design on the rubber.


What if um the  it was just patterns on like  we we chose the shape or the sh shape could be whatever we wanted and then it would just be like a design on the rubber.

You know like like just a printed yeah or coloured yeah.


You know like like just a printed yeah or coloured yeah.

So it's just colour , and not necessarily the shape of a strawberry.


So it's just colour , and not necessarily the shape of a strawberry.


So it's just colour , and not necessarily the shape of a strawberry.

Or I mean we could even have fruit like around


Or I mean we could even have fruit like around


Yeah and just have the colour match or something.


Yeah and just have the colour match or something.

yeah. And if we wanna incorporate the fruit thing somehow , there might be


Yeah and just have the colour match or something.

yeah. And if we wanna incorporate the fruit thing somehow , there might be

I mean if it if it in if it uh conflicts with the comfort of actually holdi holding the


Yeah and just have the colour match or something.

yeah. And if we wanna incorporate the fruit thing somehow , there might be

I mean if it if it in if it uh conflicts with the comfort of actually holdi holding the

Yeah. 'Cause yeah no-one wants to hold a remote that's uncomfortable obviously.


yeah. And if we wanna incorporate the fruit thing somehow , there might be

I mean if it if it in if it uh conflicts with the comfort of actually holdi holding the

Yeah. 'Cause yeah no-one wants to hold a remote that's uncomfortable obviously.


I mean if it if it in if it uh conflicts with the comfort of actually holdi holding the

Yeah. 'Cause yeah no-one wants to hold a remote that's uncomfortable obviously.


Yeah. 'Cause yeah no-one wants to hold a remote that's uncomfortable obviously.

Or like  I dunno , some of 'em you can kind of think  see as like


Or like  I dunno , some of 'em you can kind of think  see as like

like you could  if it was only this  you know , if it was shaped like that , and it just had that. But you see the problem is you have to attach that , and this has to be detachable.


like you could  if it was only this  you know , if it was shaped like that , and it just had that. But you see the problem is you have to attach that , and this has to be detachable.

Well see th the reason the broccoli works is you can kinda hold it like that ,


Well see th the reason the broccoli works is you can kinda hold it like that ,


I mean is there some way we could make it this kind of shape ?


I mean is there some way we could make it this kind of shape ?

We could make it that shape but just have different colours , and call 'em the different fruits.


We could make it that shape but just have different colours , and call 'em the different fruits.


We went with shape because we were having fun with the play-dough.


We went with shape because we were having fun with the play-dough.

Or even like  Yeah like you said , like a joystick like that. You know ?


We went with shape because we were having fun with the play-dough.

Or even like  Yeah like you said , like a joystick like that. You know ?

Yeah. Yeah. Like uh we could do  I'm trying to think of other sha like fruits that are oddly shaped.


We went with shape because we were having fun with the play-dough.

Or even like  Yeah like you said , like a joystick like that. You know ?

Yeah. Yeah. Like uh we could do  I'm trying to think of other sha like fruits that are oddly shaped.

'Cause that , I think  I mean that fits the whole round iPod idea.


Or even like  Yeah like you said , like a joystick like that. You know ?

Yeah. Yeah. Like uh we could do  I'm trying to think of other sha like fruits that are oddly shaped.

'Cause that , I think  I mean that fits the whole round iPod idea.


Yeah. Yeah. Like uh we could do  I'm trying to think of other sha like fruits that are oddly shaped.

'Cause that , I think  I mean that fits the whole round iPod idea.

And you still have the comfort of holding it like that.


'Cause that , I think  I mean that fits the whole round iPod idea.

And you still have the comfort of holding it like that.


And you still have the comfort of holding it like that.


And you could  like if it's like this , you could put fruit designs and stuff on that part.


And you could  like if it's like this , you could put fruit designs and stuff on that part.

But I mean it  do we have any other ideas about that ?


But I mean it  do we have any other ideas about that ?


But I mean it  do we have any other ideas about that ?

Think the critical ones came out to be  yeah that one. . Batteries easy to insert for some reason ,


Think the critical ones came out to be  yeah that one. . Batteries easy to insert for some reason ,

which can be easily  I think that's not a problem any more.


Think the critical ones came out to be  yeah that one. . Batteries easy to insert for some reason ,

which can be easily  I think that's not a problem any more.

That  everyone gave that a one or a two. Yeah they'd probably be either on the front or the side of the remote.


which can be easily  I think that's not a problem any more.

That  everyone gave that a one or a two. Yeah they'd probably be either on the front or the side of the remote.


That  everyone gave that a one or a two. Yeah they'd probably be either on the front or the side of the remote.

The reason I I ga I didn't give it a one  I think I gave it a three because I thought you'd have to like unc clip


That  everyone gave that a one or a two. Yeah they'd probably be either on the front or the side of the remote.

The reason I I ga I didn't give it a one  I think I gave it a three because I thought you'd have to like unc clip

No I imagine there'd be sort of a hatch door ,


The reason I I ga I didn't give it a one  I think I gave it a three because I thought you'd have to like unc clip

No I imagine there'd be sort of a hatch door ,

no you could  Just like any other one. Okay. Yeah.


No I imagine there'd be sort of a hatch door ,

no you could  Just like any other one. Okay. Yeah.


no you could  Just like any other one. Okay. Yeah.

So it would probably either in the f no it can't be in the front 'cause the I_R_'s right there , but it'd be on one of the sides probably.


So it would probably either in the f no it can't be in the front 'cause the I_R_'s right there , but it'd be on one of the sides probably.


So I think it's  yeah those are the only two points.


So I think it's  yeah those are the only two points.

Cool. Well  Yeah the broccoli I guess wins.


Cool. Well  Yeah the broccoli I guess wins.


Um , I was just having fun making strawberries and stuff.


Um , I was just having fun making strawberries and stuff.

Um so uh I can't think of any  So we'll have to like   Mm.


Um , I was just having fun making strawberries and stuff.

Um so uh I can't think of any  So we'll have to like   Mm.

Yeah I dunno. You could make the touch pad in th in different shapes , but then that kind of re-designs the whole project like ,


Um so uh I can't think of any  So we'll have to like   Mm.

Yeah I dunno. You could make the touch pad in th in different shapes , but then that kind of re-designs the whole project like ,

It might also sort of annoy people if we get used to having the buttons in one shape.


Um so uh I can't think of any  So we'll have to like   Mm.

Yeah I dunno. You could make the touch pad in th in different shapes , but then that kind of re-designs the whole project like ,

It might also sort of annoy people if we get used to having the buttons in one shape.

but you could do like  Yeah that's true.


Yeah I dunno. You could make the touch pad in th in different shapes , but then that kind of re-designs the whole project like ,

It might also sort of annoy people if we get used to having the buttons in one shape.

but you could do like  Yeah that's true.

Yeah. And it would probably cost more to produce , 'cause they're irregular.


It might also sort of annoy people if we get used to having the buttons in one shape.

but you could do like  Yeah that's true.

Yeah. And it would probably cost more to produce , 'cause they're irregular.


but you could do like  Yeah that's true.

Yeah. And it would probably cost more to produce , 'cause they're irregular.

I bet having different colours is a lot cheaper than having different shapes too.


Yeah. And it would probably cost more to produce , 'cause they're irregular.

I bet having different colours is a lot cheaper than having different shapes too.

Yeah. Which is why printing might be like  just printing the fruit on   fruit.


I bet having different colours is a lot cheaper than having different shapes too.

Yeah. Which is why printing might be like  just printing the fruit on   fruit.


I bet having different colours is a lot cheaper than having different shapes too.

Yeah. Which is why printing might be like  just printing the fruit on   fruit.

Mm.  Not really  Well we've done finance evaluation criteria , production evaluation.  Um so project evaluation.


Yeah. Which is why printing might be like  just printing the fruit on   fruit.

Mm.  Not really  Well we've done finance evaluation criteria , production evaluation.  Um so project evaluation.


Mm.  Not really  Well we've done finance evaluation criteria , production evaluation.  Um so project evaluation.

I guess we're supposed to discuss um the prod the process of the project and how satisfied  oh , oh it's alright. Uh. Yeah.


I guess we're supposed to discuss um the prod the process of the project and how satisfied  oh , oh it's alright. Uh. Yeah.

Um  Did you feel there was a lot of room for creativity in the sort of


Um  Did you feel there was a lot of room for creativity in the sort of


I mean fruit and squishiness. How c more creative can you get ?


I mean fruit and squishiness. How c more creative can you get ?

The prototype making was very creatively stimulating


The prototype making was very creatively stimulating

and I think we've come up with a product that's fun and meets all the criteria .


The prototype making was very creatively stimulating

and I think we've come up with a product that's fun and meets all the criteria .

And how was our leadership and teamwork ?


The prototype making was very creatively stimulating

and I think we've come up with a product that's fun and meets all the criteria .

And how was our leadership and teamwork ?

I think it was good. We knew what we were doing. It was a very democratic process and everyone got to contribute.


and I think we've come up with a product that's fun and meets all the criteria .

And how was our leadership and teamwork ?

I think it was good. We knew what we were doing. It was a very democratic process and everyone got to contribute.

Well I thought my leadership was crap personally.


And how was our leadership and teamwork ?

I think it was good. We knew what we were doing. It was a very democratic process and everyone got to contribute.

Well I thought my leadership was crap personally.

Well you told us when to start and when to end , and that's all that matters.


I think it was good. We knew what we were doing. It was a very democratic process and everyone got to contribute.

Well I thought my leadership was crap personally.

Well you told us when to start and when to end , and that's all that matters.

Excuse me , am I allowed to say that ? Yeah.  Um.


Well I thought my leadership was crap personally.

Well you told us when to start and when to end , and that's all that matters.

Excuse me , am I allowed to say that ? Yeah.  Um.


Well you told us when to start and when to end , and that's all that matters.

Excuse me , am I allowed to say that ? Yeah.  Um.

Yeah , well I'm never gonna do a management position , I know that now.


Excuse me , am I allowed to say that ? Yeah.  Um.

Yeah , well I'm never gonna do a management position , I know that now.


Yeah , well I'm never gonna do a management position , I know that now.

Um yeah , I thought we all worked very well together.


Yeah , well I'm never gonna do a management position , I know that now.

Um yeah , I thought we all worked very well together.

Yeah we didn't  we  uh it all c sort of blended quite well.


Um yeah , I thought we all worked very well together.

Yeah we didn't  we  uh it all c sort of blended quite well.


Um yeah , I thought we all worked very well together.

Yeah we didn't  we  uh it all c sort of blended quite well.

Yeah I think it more than anything we didn't really have our set roles so much , as we just would be like  I don't know , all had ideas about it but


Yeah we didn't  we  uh it all c sort of blended quite well.

Yeah I think it more than anything we didn't really have our set roles so much , as we just would be like  I don't know , all had ideas about it but

Yeah. Very democratic. No spats , that was good.


Yeah I think it more than anything we didn't really have our set roles so much , as we just would be like  I don't know , all had ideas about it but

Yeah. Very democratic. No spats , that was good.


Yeah. Very democratic. No spats , that was good.

Um and the means for like  the materials we used , how convenient were they ? Like the the pens , the whiteboard ,


Um and the means for like  the materials we used , how convenient were they ? Like the the pens , the whiteboard ,


Um and the means for like  the materials we used , how convenient were they ? Like the the pens , the whiteboard ,

Well I'm not a big fan of any Microsoft , PowerPoint or any of this stuff.


Well I'm not a big fan of any Microsoft , PowerPoint or any of this stuff.


Well I'm not a big fan of any Microsoft , PowerPoint or any of this stuff.

I just use the Unix or the off market , sort of WordPerfect and all these other things.


I just use the Unix or the off market , sort of WordPerfect and all these other things.


Yeah.  Well the problem is if you don't  like my new computer never has WordPerfect so I have to go track someone down who has an old disk and then I have to reinstall it. So I have all these documents I can't use now. But yeah I mean I guess it's okay.


Yeah.  Well the problem is if you don't  like my new computer never has WordPerfect so I have to go track someone down who has an old disk and then I have to reinstall it. So I have all these documents I can't use now. But yeah I mean I guess it's okay.

I felt like my  I dunno if it was just my role , but l but uh I di I thought that my  the information that was available to me was kind of just like  or maybe it was just the idea that we had. But there's kinda  it was kinda like okay , I don't really think  I dunno what I'm doing here.


Yeah.  Well the problem is if you don't  like my new computer never has WordPerfect so I have to go track someone down who has an old disk and then I have to reinstall it. So I have all these documents I can't use now. But yeah I mean I guess it's okay.

I felt like my  I dunno if it was just my role , but l but uh I di I thought that my  the information that was available to me was kind of just like  or maybe it was just the idea that we had. But there's kinda  it was kinda like okay , I don't really think  I dunno what I'm doing here.

So I didn't really think it was helpful. So I kind of just made up my own stuff and I didn't really like the PowerPoint presentations ,


I felt like my  I dunno if it was just my role , but l but uh I di I thought that my  the information that was available to me was kind of just like  or maybe it was just the idea that we had. But there's kinda  it was kinda like okay , I don't really think  I dunno what I'm doing here.

So I didn't really think it was helpful. So I kind of just made up my own stuff and I didn't really like the PowerPoint presentations ,


So I didn't really think it was helpful. So I kind of just made up my own stuff and I didn't really like the PowerPoint presentations ,

so I kind of wrote a lot of notes instead.


so I kind of wrote a lot of notes instead.

But yeah I d I don't really like PowerPoint personally ,  think it's kinda stupid.


But yeah I d I don't really like PowerPoint personally ,  think it's kinda stupid.


But yeah I d I don't really like PowerPoint personally ,  think it's kinda stupid.

I can't say I found everything particularly helpful. Like I


I can't say I found everything particularly helpful. Like I


My first bit of information was like this child's drawn picture of how a remote works.


My first bit of information was like this child's drawn picture of how a remote works.

No mine was really helpful as in my stuff was quite helpful I think.


No mine was really helpful as in my stuff was quite helpful I think.


'Cause my problem was , you guys had access to like  they'd put  send you to sites and stuff right ?


'Cause my problem was , you guys had access to like  they'd put  send you to sites and stuff right ?

See I couldn't do that , so I didn't really know what you guys were doing. And when you were talking about it I was just like


'Cause my problem was , you guys had access to like  they'd put  send you to sites and stuff right ?

See I couldn't do that , so I didn't really know what you guys were doing. And when you were talking about it I was just like

you know that's wh that's why I seemed so ignorant when when you were j explaining things ,


See I couldn't do that , so I didn't really know what you guys were doing. And when you were talking about it I was just like

you know that's wh that's why I seemed so ignorant when when you were j explaining things ,


See I couldn't do that , so I didn't really know what you guys were doing. And when you were talking about it I was just like

you know that's wh that's why I seemed so ignorant when when you were j explaining things ,

Yeah well mine was mostly made up except when they told me like you know titanium costs more than wood to make a remote control.


you know that's wh that's why I seemed so ignorant when when you were j explaining things ,

Yeah well mine was mostly made up except when they told me like you know titanium costs more than wood to make a remote control.


Yeah well mine was mostly made up except when they told me like you know titanium costs more than wood to make a remote control.


Yeah well mine was mostly made up except when they told me like you know titanium costs more than wood to make a remote control.

Yeah. But it must have been quite difficult for them to build a whole um


Yeah. But it must have been quite difficult for them to build a whole um


Yeah. But it must have been quite difficult for them to build a whole um

'cause of course they can't give you uh uh anything comparable to the internet for the


'cause of course they can't give you uh uh anything comparable to the internet for the


'cause of course they can't give you uh uh anything comparable to the internet for the

Well I think it's interesting how it all went together , like I had the stuff about how me how rubber's cheap , and you have how people want it to be spongy , and


Well I think it's interesting how it all went together , like I had the stuff about how me how rubber's cheap , and you have how people want it to be spongy , and


Yeah I kinda thought that um  I felt like I would go and like try to use my information , or like I'd make this stupid little presentation and then like I just would end up talking about something completely unrelated


Yeah I kinda thought that um  I felt like I would go and like try to use my information , or like I'd make this stupid little presentation and then like I just would end up talking about something completely unrelated

I dunno I felt like I was off-task all the time. But um


I dunno I felt like I was off-task all the time. But um

Well I mean we really got into talking about like personal practicalit like it wasn't necessarily what was like  we would never have thought of fruit or sponginess you know ?


Well I mean we really got into talking about like personal practicalit like it wasn't necessarily what was like  we would never have thought of fruit or sponginess you know ?


But I think that  it it might be to see whether people actually all come up with the same thing.


But I think that  it it might be to see whether people actually all come up with the same thing.

Oh right. given certain information or  Just


But I think that  it it might be to see whether people actually all come up with the same thing.

Oh right. given certain information or  Just

Yeah , like if everyone's given the same input


Oh right. given certain information or  Just

Yeah , like if everyone's given the same input


Yeah , like if everyone's given the same input


Um what's next ? Looks like  oh no that's not um


They're kinda hard to write with though.


They're kinda hard to write with though.

and I I've f forgotten once or twice to  check the box.


and I I've f forgotten once or twice to  check the box.

I I'd like to see what what it looks like on the


and I I've f forgotten once or twice to  check the box.

I I'd like to see what what it looks like on the

They're nicer than the pen that I'm using , because like your stuff actually shows up here , rather than having to look at the screen and write.


I I'd like to see what what it looks like on the

They're nicer than the pen that I'm using , because like your stuff actually shows up here , rather than having to look at the screen and write.


They're nicer than the pen that I'm using , because like your stuff actually shows up here , rather than having to look at the screen and write.


Yeah I think I'd like to um   I dunno. Like it was  the


Yeah I think I'd like to um   I dunno. Like it was  the

I think the microphones are okay when you're sitting down , but like they're kinda clumsy I guess when you're  like when you're s going up to the whiteboard like.


Yeah I think I'd like to um   I dunno. Like it was  the

I think the microphones are okay when you're sitting down , but like they're kinda clumsy I guess when you're  like when you're s going up to the whiteboard like.

Oh yeah. Well they drop off if you like move too much.


I think the microphones are okay when you're sitting down , but like they're kinda clumsy I guess when you're  like when you're s going up to the whiteboard like.

Oh yeah. Well they drop off if you like move too much.


I think the microphones are okay when you're sitting down , but like they're kinda clumsy I guess when you're  like when you're s going up to the whiteboard like.

Oh yeah. Well they drop off if you like move too much.

But I don't think we're supposed to be testing these microphones. Maybe we are.


Oh yeah. Well they drop off if you like move too much.

But I don't think we're supposed to be testing these microphones. Maybe we are.


But I don't think we're supposed to be testing these microphones. Maybe we are.


But I don't think we're supposed to be testing these microphones. Maybe we are.

Uh I think , and I think that uh all this technology like  I guess some people must be interested in using it but I can't imagine finding it any more useful than like looking at someone's notes ,


Uh I think , and I think that uh all this technology like  I guess some people must be interested in using it but I can't imagine finding it any more useful than like looking at someone's notes ,


Uh I think , and I think that uh all this technology like  I guess some people must be interested in using it but I can't imagine finding it any more useful than like looking at someone's notes ,

Well the thing is , like I actually worked in a company ,


Well the thing is , like I actually worked in a company ,

and I had a role and I had to go to meetings. And like the last thing I would have wanted would be to have to watch a video 'cause I missed a meeting. Like usually I missed meetings deliberately.


Well the thing is , like I actually worked in a company ,

and I had a role and I had to go to meetings. And like the last thing I would have wanted would be to have to watch a video 'cause I missed a meeting. Like usually I missed meetings deliberately.

There's just  there's really not that much information that actually goes through a real meeting , like when you're actually at a real meeting in a real company.


and I had a role and I had to go to meetings. And like the last thing I would have wanted would be to have to watch a video 'cause I missed a meeting. Like usually I missed meetings deliberately.

There's just  there's really not that much information that actually goes through a real meeting , like when you're actually at a real meeting in a real company.


There's just  there's really not that much information that actually goes through a real meeting , like when you're actually at a real meeting in a real company.


And you're sort of going over general stuff that anybody who's sort of on task should already know.


And you're sort of going over general stuff that anybody who's sort of on task should already know.

It's like the  there's just really not a lot of information that goes through.


And you're sort of going over general stuff that anybody who's sort of on task should already know.

It's like the  there's just really not a lot of information that goes through.

Seems kind of like an excessive reiteration.


It's like the  there's just really not a lot of information that goes through.

Seems kind of like an excessive reiteration.


Seems kind of like an excessive reiteration.

Like if I missed a meeting I could probably get it summed up in like one sentence.


Like if I missed a meeting I could probably get it summed up in like one sentence.


Like if I missed a meeting I could probably get it summed up in like one sentence.

I wouldn't need to have to watch like a t two hour video with the sound and the transcript and


I wouldn't need to have to watch like a t two hour video with the sound and the transcript and

I guess it would be  it's gotta be worth it to  I  'cause I'm just mostly curious about like what kind of person or like company would would really find it useful , 'cause can't really imagine , dunno. How about a p  a   ?


I guess it would be  it's gotta be worth it to  I  'cause I'm just mostly curious about like what kind of person or like company would would really find it useful , 'cause can't really imagine , dunno. How about a p  a   ?

Well does anyone wanna talk about fruit more while we still have time ?


Well does anyone wanna talk about fruit more while we still have time ?

What what's the end ? Are we are we supposed to um  you supposed to write a report ? Or we ending ?


Well does anyone wanna talk about fruit more while we still have time ?

What what's the end ? Are we are we supposed to um  you supposed to write a report ? Or we ending ?

Um we still have time if there's any other input.


What what's the end ? Are we are we supposed to um  you supposed to write a report ? Or we ending ?

Um we still have time if there's any other input.


What what's the end ? Are we are we supposed to um  you supposed to write a report ? Or we ending ?

Um we still have time if there's any other input.

I mean the  I think we did really well personally , which is why we've you know , gone through this so quickly. 'Cause I mean we've all  we all kind of agreed our product is satisfactory , it fits the budget , and it's trendy.


Um we still have time if there's any other input.

I mean the  I think we did really well personally , which is why we've you know , gone through this so quickly. 'Cause I mean we've all  we all kind of agreed our product is satisfactory , it fits the budget , and it's trendy.


I mean the  I think we did really well personally , which is why we've you know , gone through this so quickly. 'Cause I mean we've all  we all kind of agreed our product is satisfactory , it fits the budget , and it's trendy.


I mean the  I think we did really well personally , which is why we've you know , gone through this so quickly. 'Cause I mean we've all  we all kind of agreed our product is satisfactory , it fits the budget , and it's trendy.

End of meeting. You have to tell her , she


End of meeting. You have to tell her , she


I think I've learned not to bring play-dough to meetings.


I think I've learned not to bring play-dough to meetings.

I think it would be a good idea , I like it.


I think I've learned not to bring play-dough to meetings.

I think it would be a good idea , I like it.

It's hard enough to get people actually paying attention. Especially if you have food.


I think it would be a good idea , I like it.

It's hard enough to get people actually paying attention. Especially if you have food.

So I guess we're supposed to write final reports. 'Cause


It's hard enough to get people actually paying attention. Especially if you have food.

So I guess we're supposed to write final reports. 'Cause


So I guess we're supposed to write final reports. 'Cause


OK. Your channel number 's already on this blank sheet.


The gai the gain 's up at it  what it usually is ,


The gai the gain 's up at it  what it usually is ,

but if you think it 's  Yeah. It 's sort of a default. But I can set it higher if you like.


but if you think it 's  Yeah. It 's sort of a default. But I can set it higher if you like.


but if you think it 's  Yeah. It 's sort of a default. But I can set it higher if you like.

It 's not showing much. Test , test , test , test , test , test , test , test , test , test. OK , that  that seems better ? Yeah ? OK , good. Ah , that 's good , that 's good. That 's Ahh. Mmm. So I  I had a question for Adam. Have we started already ?


It 's not showing much. Test , test , test , test , test , test , test , test , test , test. OK , that  that seems better ? Yeah ? OK , good. Ah , that 's good , that 's good. That 's Ahh. Mmm. So I  I had a question for Adam. Have we started already ?

Well , we started recording , but  Yeah.


Well , we started recording , but  Yeah.


Since we 're starting late I figured we 'd better just start.


Since we 're starting late I figured we 'd better just start.

Yeah. Great idea. I was gonna ask Adam to , uh , say if he thought anymore about the demo stuff because  it occurred to me that this is late May and the DARPA meeting is in  mid July. Uh , but  I don't remember w what we  I know that we were gonna do something with the transcriber interface is one thing , but I thought there was a second thing. Anybody remember ?


Since we 're starting late I figured we 'd better just start.

Yeah. Great idea. I was gonna ask Adam to , uh , say if he thought anymore about the demo stuff because  it occurred to me that this is late May and the DARPA meeting is in  mid July. Uh , but  I don't remember w what we  I know that we were gonna do something with the transcriber interface is one thing , but I thought there was a second thing. Anybody remember ?

Well , we were gonna do a mock - up , like , question answering or something , I thought , that was totally separate from the interface. Do you remember ? Remember , like , asking questions and retrieving ,  but in a pre - stored fashion.


Yeah. Great idea. I was gonna ask Adam to , uh , say if he thought anymore about the demo stuff because  it occurred to me that this is late May and the DARPA meeting is in  mid July. Uh , but  I don't remember w what we  I know that we were gonna do something with the transcriber interface is one thing , but I thought there was a second thing. Anybody remember ?

Well , we were gonna do a mock - up , like , question answering or something , I thought , that was totally separate from the interface. Do you remember ? Remember , like , asking questions and retrieving ,  but in a pre - stored fashion.

That was the thing we talked about , I think , before the transcriber


Well , we were gonna do a mock - up , like , question answering or something , I thought , that was totally separate from the interface. Do you remember ? Remember , like , asking questions and retrieving ,  but in a pre - stored fashion.

That was the thing we talked about , I think , before the transcriber


That was the thing we talked about , I think , before the transcriber


That was the thing we talked about , I think , before the transcriber

Alright. So anyway , you have to sort out that out and get somebody going on it cuz we 're  got a  got a month left basically. So.


Alright. So anyway , you have to sort out that out and get somebody going on it cuz we 're  got a  got a month left basically. So.


Alright. So anyway , you have to sort out that out and get somebody going on it cuz we 're  got a  got a month left basically. So.

OK. Um OK. So , what are we g else we got ? You got  you just wrote a bunch of stuff.


Alright. So anyway , you have to sort out that out and get somebody going on it cuz we 're  got a  got a month left basically. So.

OK. Um OK. So , what are we g else we got ? You got  you just wrote a bunch of stuff.

No. That was all , um , previously here.


OK. Um OK. So , what are we g else we got ? You got  you just wrote a bunch of stuff.

No. That was all , um , previously here.


OK. Um OK. So , what are we g else we got ? You got  you just wrote a bunch of stuff.

No. That was all , um , previously here.

I was writing  the digits and then I realized I could xerox them ,


No. That was all , um , previously here.

I was writing  the digits and then I realized I could xerox them ,


I was writing  the digits and then I realized I could xerox them ,

because I didn't want people to turn their heads from these microphones. So. We all , by the way , have the same digit form , for the record. So.


because I didn't want people to turn their heads from these microphones. So. We all , by the way , have the same digit form , for the record. So.


because I didn't want people to turn their heads from these microphones. So. We all , by the way , have the same digit form , for the record. So.

So , the choice is , uh , which  which do we want more , the  the  the comparison , uh ,  of everybody saying them at the same time or the comparison of people saying the same digits at different times that  ?


So , the choice is , uh , which  which do we want more , the  the  the comparison , uh ,  of everybody saying them at the same time or the comparison of people saying the same digits at different times that  ?

It 's just cuz I didn't have any more digit sheets.


So , the choice is , uh , which  which do we want more , the  the  the comparison , uh ,  of everybody saying them at the same time or the comparison of people saying the same digits at different times that  ?

It 's just cuz I didn't have any more digit sheets.

I know that. But , you know , which opportunity should we


It 's just cuz I didn't have any more digit sheets.

I know that. But , you know , which opportunity should we


I know that. But , you know , which opportunity should we


I mean , it  Actually it might be good to have them separately and have the same exact strings. I mean , we could use them for normalizing or something , but it of course goes more quickly doing them in unison.


how long we go and how good the snack is out there.


how long we go and how good the snack is out there.

But anyway , they won't be identical as somebody is saying zero in some  sometimes , you know , saying O , and so , it 's not i not identical.


how long we go and how good the snack is out there.

But anyway , they won't be identical as somebody is saying zero in some  sometimes , you know , saying O , and so , it 's not i not identical.

Yeah. Hmm. Get some advance intelligence.


But anyway , they won't be identical as somebody is saying zero in some  sometimes , you know , saying O , and so , it 's not i not identical.

Yeah. Hmm. Get some advance intelligence.


Yeah. Hmm. Get some advance intelligence.


Yeah. We 'd have to get s get some experience.


Yeah. Really  boring chorus. Um. Do we  have an agenda ? Adam usually tries to put those together , but he 's ill.


Yeah. Really  boring chorus. Um. Do we  have an agenda ? Adam usually tries to put those together , but he 's ill.

I 've got a couple of things to talk about.


Yeah. Really  boring chorus. Um. Do we  have an agenda ? Adam usually tries to put those together , but he 's ill.

I 've got a couple of things to talk about.

So. Yeah. Uh ju what  what might those be ?


Yeah. Really  boring chorus. Um. Do we  have an agenda ? Adam usually tries to put those together , but he 's ill.

I 've got a couple of things to talk about.

So. Yeah. Uh ju what  what might those be ?

Uh , IBM stuff and , um , just getting  uh , meeting information organized.


I 've got a couple of things to talk about.

So. Yeah. Uh ju what  what might those be ?

Uh , IBM stuff and , um , just getting  uh , meeting information organized.


So. Yeah. Uh ju what  what might those be ?

Uh , IBM stuff and , um , just getting  uh , meeting information organized.

Are you implying that it 's currently disorganized ?


Uh , IBM stuff and , um , just getting  uh , meeting information organized.

Are you implying that it 's currently disorganized ?


Are you implying that it 's currently disorganized ?

Is there stuff that 's happened about , um , uh , the  SRI recognizer et cetera , tho those things that were happening before with  ?


Is there stuff that 's happened about , um , uh , the  SRI recognizer et cetera , tho those things that were happening before with  ?

Y y you guys were doing a bunch of experiments with different front - ends and then with  Is  is that still sort of where it was , uh , the other day ?


Y y you guys were doing a bunch of experiments with different front - ends and then with  Is  is that still sort of where it was , uh , the other day ?


Now the  the  You saw the note that the PLP now is getting basically the same as the MFCC.


Now the  the  You saw the note that the PLP now is getting basically the same as the MFCC.

Yeah. Actually it looks like it 's getting better.


Yeah. Actually it looks like it 's getting better.


But , uh , that 's not d directly related to me. Doesn't mean we can't talk about it. Um , it seems  It looks l I haven't  The  It 's  The experiment is still not complete , but , um , it looks like the vocal tract length normalization is working beautifully , actually , w using the warp factors that we computed for the SRI system and just applying them to the  ICSI front - end.


So you just need to  copy over to this one.


So you just need to  copy over to this one.

Just had to take the reciprocal of the number because they have different meanings in the two systems.


So you just need to  copy over to this one.

Just had to take the reciprocal of the number because they have different meanings in the two systems.

Ah ! Yeah. Well , that 's always good to do.


Just had to take the reciprocal of the number because they have different meanings in the two systems.

Ah ! Yeah. Well , that 's always good to do.


Ah ! Yeah. Well , that 's always good to do.


Ah ! Yeah. Well , that 's always good to do.

But one issue actually that just came up in discussion with Liz and  and Don was , um , as far as meeting recognition is concerned , um , we would really like to , uh , move , uh , to , uh , doing the recognition on automatic segmentations.


But one issue actually that just came up in discussion with Liz and  and Don was , um , as far as meeting recognition is concerned , um , we would really like to , uh , move , uh , to , uh , doing the recognition on automatic segmentations.


But one issue actually that just came up in discussion with Liz and  and Don was , um , as far as meeting recognition is concerned , um , we would really like to , uh , move , uh , to , uh , doing the recognition on automatic segmentations.

Because in all our previous experiments , we had the  uh , you know , we were essentially cheating by having the , um , you know , the h the hand - segmentations as the basis of the recognition.


Because in all our previous experiments , we had the  uh , you know , we were essentially cheating by having the , um , you know , the h the hand - segmentations as the basis of the recognition.

And so now with Thilo 's segmenter working so well , I think we should  consider doing a


And so now with Thilo 's segmenter working so well , I think we should  consider doing a


Y think  you think we should increase the error rate.


That - that 's what I wanted to do anyway ,


And even  The good thing is that since you , um , have high recall ,  even if you have low precision cuz you 're over - generating , that 's good because we could train noise models in the recognizer for these kinds of , uh , transients and things that come from the microphones ,


And even  The good thing is that since you , um , have high recall ,  even if you have low precision cuz you 're over - generating , that 's good because we could train noise models in the recognizer for these kinds of , uh , transients and things that come from the microphones ,

but  I know that if we run recognition unconstrained on a whole waveform , we do very poorly because we 're  we 're getting insertions in places what  that you may well be cutting out.


but  I know that if we run recognition unconstrained on a whole waveform , we do very poorly because we 're  we 're getting insertions in places what  that you may well be cutting out.


So we do need some kind of pre - segmentation.


So we do need some kind of pre - segmentation.

We should  we should consider doing some extra things , like , um , you know , retraining or adapting the   the models for background noise to the  to this environment , for instance.


We should  we should consider doing some extra things , like , um , you know , retraining or adapting the   the models for background noise to the  to this environment , for instance.

And , yeah , using Thilo 's , you know , posteriors or some kind of  or


And , yeah , using Thilo 's , you know , posteriors or some kind of  or


yes or no for a speaker , to consider those particular speaker background models.


yes or no for a speaker , to consider those particular speaker background models.

So. There 's lots of ins interesting things that could be done.


So. There 's lots of ins interesting things that could be done.


So. There 's lots of ins interesting things that could be done.

Good. So , uh , why don't we , uh , do the IBM stuff ?


Good. So , uh , why don't we , uh , do the IBM stuff ?

Yeah. So , um , talked with Brian and gave him the alternatives to the single beep at the end of each utterance that we had generated before.


Yeah. So , um , talked with Brian and gave him the alternatives to the single beep at the end of each utterance that we had generated before.


Right. And so he talked it over with the transcriber and the transcriber thought that the easiest thing for them would be if there was a beep and then the nu a number , a digit , and then a beep , uh , at the beginning of each one


Right. And so he talked it over with the transcriber and the transcriber thought that the easiest thing for them would be if there was a beep and then the nu a number , a digit , and then a beep , uh , at the beginning of each one

and that would help keep them from getting lost. And , um ,  so Adam wrote a little script to generate those style , uh , beeps


and that would help keep them from getting lost. And , um ,  so Adam wrote a little script to generate those style , uh , beeps

and so we 're  I came up here and just recorded the numbers one through ten.


and so we 're  I came up here and just recorded the numbers one through ten.


And do you splice them into the  waveform ? Or  ?