Right , but when Chuck wore the lapel and Morgan was talking there 're a couple really long utterances where Chuck is saying a few things inside , and it 's picking up all of Morgan 's words pretty well and so the rec you know , there 're error rates because of insertion  Insertions aren't bounded , so with a one - word utterance and ten insertions you know you got huge error rate.

And that 's  that 's where the problems come in. So I this is sort of what we expected , but it 's nice to be able to  to show it.


And that 's  that 's where the problems come in. So I this is sort of what we expected , but it 's nice to be able to  to show it.


And that 's  that 's where the problems come in. So I this is sort of what we expected , but it 's nice to be able to  to show it.

And also I just wanted to mention briefly that , um , uh Andreas and I called up Dan Ellis who 's still stuck in Switzerland , and we were gonna ask him if  if there 're  you know , what 's out there in terms of echo cancellation and things like that. Not that we were gonna do it , but we wanted to know what would need to be done.


And also I just wanted to mention briefly that , um , uh Andreas and I called up Dan Ellis who 's still stuck in Switzerland , and we were gonna ask him if  if there 're  you know , what 's out there in terms of echo cancellation and things like that. Not that we were gonna do it , but we wanted to know what would need to be done.

And he  We 've given him the data we have so far , so these sychronous cases where there are overlap.


And he  We 've given him the data we have so far , so these sychronous cases where there are overlap.

And he 's gonna look into trying to run some things that are out there and see how well it can do


And he 's gonna look into trying to run some things that are out there and see how well it can do

because right now we 're not able to actually report on recognition in a real paper , like a Eurospeech paper , because it would look sort of premature.


And he 's gonna look into trying to run some things that are out there and see how well it can do

because right now we 're not able to actually report on recognition in a real paper , like a Eurospeech paper , because it would look sort of premature.

So  So the idea is that you would take this big hunk where somebody 's only speaking a small amount in it , and then try to figure out where they 're speaking  based on the other peopl


because right now we 're not able to actually report on recognition in a real paper , like a Eurospeech paper , because it would look sort of premature.

So  So the idea is that you would take this big hunk where somebody 's only speaking a small amount in it , and then try to figure out where they 're speaking  based on the other peopl

Right. Or who 's  At any point in time who 's the foreground speaker , who 's the background speaker.


So  So the idea is that you would take this big hunk where somebody 's only speaking a small amount in it , and then try to figure out where they 're speaking  based on the other peopl

Right. Or who 's  At any point in time who 's the foreground speaker , who 's the background speaker.

I thought we were just gonna move the boundaries in.


Right. Or who 's  At any point in time who 's the foreground speaker , who 's the background speaker.

I thought we were just gonna move the boundaries in.


I thought we were just gonna move the boundaries in.


But how would you do that automatically ?


But how would you do that automatically ?

Uh , I 've actually done some experiments with cross - correlation


Uh , I 've actually done some experiments with cross - correlation

and it seems to work pretty well to  to get rid of those  those overlaps ,


Uh , I 've actually done some experiments with cross - correlation

and it seems to work pretty well to  to get rid of those  those overlaps ,

I mean that that 's the sort of thing that you would do.


and it seems to work pretty well to  to get rid of those  those overlaps ,

I mean that that 's the sort of thing that you would do.


I mean that that 's the sort of thing that you would do.


So why do you want to do echo cancellation ?


So why do you want to do echo cancellation ?

Um , it would be techniques used from adaptive  adaptive echo cancellation which I don't know enough about to talk about.


So why do you want to do echo cancellation ?

Um , it would be techniques used from adaptive  adaptive echo cancellation which I don't know enough about to talk about.

It  just  it just to r to remove cross - talk.


Um , it would be techniques used from adaptive  adaptive echo cancellation which I don't know enough about to talk about.

It  just  it just to r to remove cross - talk.


It  just  it just to r to remove cross - talk.


But , right , um , and that would be similar to what you 're also trying to do , but using um , you know , more than energy


But , right , um , and that would be similar to what you 're also trying to do , but using um , you know , more than energy

I  I don't know what exactly would go into it.


I  I don't know what exactly would go into it.


I  I don't know what exactly would go into it.

So the idea is to basically run this on the whole meeting. and get the locations , which gives you also the time boundaries of the individual speak


So the idea is to basically run this on the whole meeting. and get the locations , which gives you also the time boundaries of the individual speak

OK. So do sort of what he 's already  what he 's trying to do.


So the idea is to basically run this on the whole meeting. and get the locations , which gives you also the time boundaries of the individual speak

OK. So do sort of what he 's already  what he 's trying to do.

Right. Except that there are many techniques for the kinds of cues , um , that you can use to do that.


OK. So do sort of what he 's already  what he 's trying to do.

Right. Except that there are many techniques for the kinds of cues , um , that you can use to do that.


Right. Except that there are many techniques for the kinds of cues , um , that you can use to do that.


Yeah , Dave  Dave uh is , um , also gonna be doin usin playing around with echo cancellation for the nearfield farfield stuff ,


Yeah , Dave  Dave uh is , um , also gonna be doin usin playing around with echo cancellation for the nearfield farfield stuff ,

And I guess Espen ? This  is  uh  is he here too ?


And I guess Espen ? This  is  uh  is he here too ?


And I guess Espen ? This  is  uh  is he here too ?

May also be working  So it would just be ver that 's really the next step because we can't do too much , you know , on term in terms of recognition results knowing that this is a big problem


May also be working  So it would just be ver that 's really the next step because we can't do too much , you know , on term in terms of recognition results knowing that this is a big problem

um , until we can do that kind of processing. And so , once we have some  some of yours ,


um , until we can do that kind of processing. And so , once we have some  some of yours ,


um , until we can do that kind of processing. And so , once we have some  some of yours ,

I think this also ties into one of the things that Jane is gonna talk about too.


I think this also ties into one of the things that Jane is gonna talk about too.


I think this also ties into one of the things that Jane is gonna talk about too.

I also wanted to say I have done all this chopping up of digits ,


I also wanted to say I have done all this chopping up of digits ,


I also wanted to say I have done all this chopping up of digits ,

so I have some naming conventions that we should try to agree on. So let 's do that off - line ,


so I have some naming conventions that we should try to agree on. So let 's do that off - line ,

we don't need to do it during the meeting.


we don't need to do it during the meeting.


And  and I have scripts that will extract it out from " key " files


And  and I have scripts that will extract it out from " key " files

and  and do all the naming automatically ,


and  and do all the naming automatically ,


You 've compiled the list of , uh , speaker names ?


Yep. Yeah , names  names in the  names to I Ds ,


and it does all sorts of matches because the way people filled out names is different on every single file so it does a very fuzzy sort of match.


and it does all sorts of matches because the way people filled out names is different on every single file so it does a very fuzzy sort of match.

So at this point we can sort of finalize the naming , and so forth ,


So at this point we can sort of finalize the naming , and so forth ,


So at this point we can sort of finalize the naming , and so forth ,

and we 're gonna basically re rewrite out these waveforms that we did because as you notice in the paper your " M O in one meeting and " M O - two " in another meeting and it 's  we just need to standardize the


and we 're gonna basically re rewrite out these waveforms that we did because as you notice in the paper your " M O in one meeting and " M O - two " in another meeting and it 's  we just need to standardize the


um , that 's why those comments are s  are in there.


um , that 's why those comments are s  are in there.

Yep. So th I now have a script that you can just say basically look up Morgan ,


Yep. So th I now have a script that you can just say basically look up Morgan ,


alright. Do we  Don , you had disk space and storage formats. Is that something we need to talk about at the meeting , or should you just talk with Chuck at some other time ?


alright. Do we  Don , you had disk space and storage formats. Is that something we need to talk about at the meeting , or should you just talk with Chuck at some other time ?

Um , I had some general questions just about the compression algorithms of shortening waveforms and I don't know exactly who to ask. I thought that maybe you would be the  the person to talk to. So , is it a lossless compression  when you compress ,


Um , I had some general questions just about the compression algorithms of shortening waveforms and I don't know exactly who to ask. I thought that maybe you would be the  the person to talk to. So , is it a lossless compression  when you compress ,


OK. So , I mean , I guess my question would be is I just got this new eighteen gig drive installed. Um , yeah , which is


OK. So , I mean , I guess my question would be is I just got this new eighteen gig drive installed. Um , yeah , which is

And I assume half of it is scratch and half of it is  ?


OK. So , I mean , I guess my question would be is I just got this new eighteen gig drive installed. Um , yeah , which is

And I assume half of it is scratch and half of it is  ?

I 'm not exactly sure how they partitioned it.


And I assume half of it is scratch and half of it is  ?

I 'm not exactly sure how they partitioned it.


I 'm not exactly sure how they partitioned it.


yeah , I don't know what 's typical here , but um , it 's local though , so


yeah , I don't know what 's typical here , but um , it 's local though , so

You can access it from anywhere in ICSI. N


You can access it from anywhere in ICSI. N


You can access it from anywhere in ICSI. N

In fact , this is an eighteen gig drive ,  or is it a thirty six gig drive with eighteen


In fact , this is an eighteen gig drive ,  or is it a thirty six gig drive with eighteen

Eigh - eighteen. It was a spare that Dave had around


In fact , this is an eighteen gig drive ,  or is it a thirty six gig drive with eighteen

Eigh - eighteen. It was a spare that Dave had around

Slash N slash machine name , slash X A in all likelihood.


Eigh - eighteen. It was a spare that Dave had around

Slash N slash machine name , slash X A in all likelihood.


Eigh - eighteen. It was a spare that Dave had around

Slash N slash machine name , slash X A in all likelihood.

Oh I see. OK. Alright , I did know that.


Slash N slash machine name , slash X A in all likelihood.

Oh I see. OK. Alright , I did know that.

Um , so the  the only question is how much of it  The distinction between scratch and non - scratch is whether it 's backed up or not.


Oh I see. OK. Alright , I did know that.

Um , so the  the only question is how much of it  The distinction between scratch and non - scratch is whether it 's backed up or not.


Oh I see. OK. Alright , I did know that.

Um , so the  the only question is how much of it  The distinction between scratch and non - scratch is whether it 's backed up or not.

So what you wanna do is use the scratch for stuff that you can regenerate.


Um , so the  the only question is how much of it  The distinction between scratch and non - scratch is whether it 's backed up or not.

So what you wanna do is use the scratch for stuff that you can regenerate.


So what you wanna do is use the scratch for stuff that you can regenerate.

So , the stuff that isn't backed up is not a big deal because disks don't crash very frequently ,


So , the stuff that isn't backed up is not a big deal because disks don't crash very frequently ,


So , the stuff that isn't backed up is not a big deal because disks don't crash very frequently ,

Right. I mean all of this stuff can be regenerated ,


Right. I mean all of this stuff can be regenerated ,


because we 're  ICSI is  is bottlenecked by backup.


Well I 'd leave all the  All the transcript stuff shouldn't  should be backed up ,


Well I 'd leave all the  All the transcript stuff shouldn't  should be backed up ,

but all the waveform   Sound files should not be backed up ,


but all the waveform   Sound files should not be backed up ,


but all the waveform   Sound files should not be backed up ,

OK. So , I mean , I guess th the other question was then , should we shorten them , downsample them , or keep them in their original form ? Um


OK. So , I mean , I guess th the other question was then , should we shorten them , downsample them , or keep them in their original form ? Um

It just depends on your tools. I mean , because it 's not backed up and it 's just on scratch , if your sc tools can't take shortened format , I would leave them expanded ,


OK. So , I mean , I guess th the other question was then , should we shorten them , downsample them , or keep them in their original form ? Um

It just depends on your tools. I mean , because it 's not backed up and it 's just on scratch , if your sc tools can't take shortened format , I would leave them expanded ,

so you don't have to unshorten them every single time you wanna do anything.


It just depends on your tools. I mean , because it 's not backed up and it 's just on scratch , if your sc tools can't take shortened format , I would leave them expanded ,

so you don't have to unshorten them every single time you wanna do anything.


so you don't have to unshorten them every single time you wanna do anything.


Yeah. Yeah , we get the same performance.


Yeah. Yeah , we get the same performance.

I mean the r the front - end on the SRI recognizer just downsamples them on the fly ,


Yeah. Yeah , we get the same performance.

I mean the r the front - end on the SRI recognizer just downsamples them on the fly ,

Yeah , I guess the only argument against downsampling is to preserve just the original files in case we want to experiment with different filtering techniques.


I mean the r the front - end on the SRI recognizer just downsamples them on the fly ,

Yeah , I guess the only argument against downsampling is to preserve just the original files in case we want to experiment with different filtering techniques.


Yeah , I guess the only argument against downsampling is to preserve just the original files in case we want to experiment with different filtering techniques.


Yeah , l I mean over all our data , we  we want to not downsample.


Yeah , l I mean over all our data , we  we want to not downsample.

So we 're  what we 're doing is we 're writing out  I mean , this is just a question. We 're writing out these individual segments , that wherever there 's a time boundary from Thilo , or  or Jane 's transcribers , you know , we  we chop it  there.


So we 're  what we 're doing is we 're writing out  I mean , this is just a question. We 're writing out these individual segments , that wherever there 's a time boundary from Thilo , or  or Jane 's transcribers , you know , we  we chop it  there.


So we 're  what we 're doing is we 're writing out  I mean , this is just a question. We 're writing out these individual segments , that wherever there 's a time boundary from Thilo , or  or Jane 's transcribers , you know , we  we chop it  there.

And the reason is so that we can feed it to the recognizer ,


And the reason is so that we can feed it to the recognizer ,

and throw out ones that we 're not using and so forth.


and throw out ones that we 're not using and so forth.

And those are the ones that we 're storing.


and throw out ones that we 're not using and so forth.

And those are the ones that we 're storing.

Yeah , as I said , since that 's  it 's regeneratable , what I would do is take  downsample it ,


And those are the ones that we 're storing.

Yeah , as I said , since that 's  it 's regeneratable , what I would do is take  downsample it ,


And those are the ones that we 're storing.

Yeah , as I said , since that 's  it 's regeneratable , what I would do is take  downsample it ,

and compress it however you 're e the SRI recognizer wants to take it in.


Yeah , as I said , since that 's  it 's regeneratable , what I would do is take  downsample it ,

and compress it however you 're e the SRI recognizer wants to take it in.


and compress it however you 're e the SRI recognizer wants to take it in.


As  yeah , as long as there is a  a form that we can come from again , that is not downsampled ,  then ,


Yeah. Yeah. That  that 's why we need more disk space


Yeah. Yeah. That  that 's why we need more disk space

cuz we 're basically duplicating the originals , um


cuz we 're basically duplicating the originals , um


cuz we 're basically duplicating the originals , um

Then it 's fine. But for  for  fu future research we 'll be doing it with different microphone positions and so on


Then it 's fine. But for  for  fu future research we 'll be doing it with different microphone positions and so on


No. We always have the original long ones.


No. We always have the original long ones.

So the SRI front - end won't take a uh  an  an  a large audio file name and then a  a list of segments to chop out  from that large audio file ?


So the SRI front - end won't take a uh  an  an  a large audio file name and then a  a list of segments to chop out  from that large audio file ?

They actually have to be chopped out already ?


So the SRI front - end won't take a uh  an  an  a large audio file name and then a  a list of segments to chop out  from that large audio file ?

They actually have to be chopped out already ?

Um , it 's better if they 're chopped out ,


They actually have to be chopped out already ?

Um , it 's better if they 're chopped out ,


They actually have to be chopped out already ?

Um , it 's better if they 're chopped out ,

and  and it  it will be  yeah , y we could probably write something to do that , but it 's actually convenient to have them chopped out cuz you can run them , you know , in different orders. You c you can actually move them around.


Um , it 's better if they 're chopped out ,

and  and it  it will be  yeah , y we could probably write something to do that , but it 's actually convenient to have them chopped out cuz you can run them , you know , in different orders. You c you can actually move them around.

And that 's the whole point about the naming conventions


and  and it  it will be  yeah , y we could probably write something to do that , but it 's actually convenient to have them chopped out cuz you can run them , you know , in different orders. You c you can actually move them around.

And that 's the whole point about the naming conventions


and  and it  it will be  yeah , y we could probably write something to do that , but it 's actually convenient to have them chopped out cuz you can run them , you know , in different orders. You c you can actually move them around.

And that 's the whole point about the naming conventions

is that you could run all the English speaking ,


And that 's the whole point about the naming conventions

is that you could run all the English speaking ,


is that you could run all the English speaking ,

all the native speakers , and all the non - native speakers ,


is that you could run all the English speaking ,

all the native speakers , and all the non - native speakers ,

Right. You can grab everything with the word " the " in it ,


all the native speakers , and all the non - native speakers ,

Right. You can grab everything with the word " the " in it ,

and all the men , and all the women. Yeah.


all the native speakers , and all the non - native speakers ,

Right. You can grab everything with the word " the " in it ,

and all the men , and all the women. Yeah.

and it 's  That 's a lot quicker than actually trying to access the wavefile each time , find the time boundaries and  So in principle , yeah , you could do that ,


Right. You can grab everything with the word " the " in it ,

and all the men , and all the women. Yeah.

and it 's  That 's a lot quicker than actually trying to access the wavefile each time , find the time boundaries and  So in principle , yeah , you could do that ,

I don't  I don't think that 's really right.


and all the men , and all the women. Yeah.

and it 's  That 's a lot quicker than actually trying to access the wavefile each time , find the time boundaries and  So in principle , yeah , you could do that ,

I don't  I don't think that 's really right.


and it 's  That 's a lot quicker than actually trying to access the wavefile each time , find the time boundaries and  So in principle , yeah , you could do that ,

I don't  I don't think that 's really right.

" That 's just not right , man. " The  the point


I don't  I don't think that 's really right.

" That 's just not right , man. " The  the point


" That 's just not right , man. " The  the point

So  so s For example , what if you wanted to run  run all the native speakers.


So  so s For example , what if you wanted to run  run all the native speakers.

Right , so if  if you did it that way you would have to generate a program that looks in the database somewhere , extracts out the language , finds the time - marks for that particular one , do it that way. The way they 're doing it , you have that already extracted and it 's embedded in the file name. And so , you know , you just say


So  so s For example , what if you wanted to run  run all the native speakers.

Right , so if  if you did it that way you would have to generate a program that looks in the database somewhere , extracts out the language , finds the time - marks for that particular one , do it that way. The way they 're doing it , you have that already extracted and it 's embedded in the file name. And so , you know , you just say

We - yeah that 's  so that 's part of it


Right , so if  if you did it that way you would have to generate a program that looks in the database somewhere , extracts out the language , finds the time - marks for that particular one , do it that way. The way they 're doing it , you have that already extracted and it 's embedded in the file name. And so , you know , you just say

We - yeah that 's  so that 's part of it

y so you just say you know " asterisk E asterisk dot wave " , and you get what you want.


Right , so if  if you did it that way you would have to generate a program that looks in the database somewhere , extracts out the language , finds the time - marks for that particular one , do it that way. The way they 're doing it , you have that already extracted and it 's embedded in the file name. And so , you know , you just say

We - yeah that 's  so that 's part of it

y so you just say you know " asterisk E asterisk dot wave " , and you get what you want.

is  Right. And the other part is just that once they 're written out it  it is a lot faster to  to process them.


We - yeah that 's  so that 's part of it

y so you just say you know " asterisk E asterisk dot wave " , and you get what you want.

is  Right. And the other part is just that once they 're written out it  it is a lot faster to  to process them.

Rather than doing seeks through the file.


y so you just say you know " asterisk E asterisk dot wave " , and you get what you want.

is  Right. And the other part is just that once they 're written out it  it is a lot faster to  to process them.

Rather than doing seeks through the file.


is  Right. And the other part is just that once they 're written out it  it is a lot faster to  to process them.

Rather than doing seeks through the file.

This is all just temporary access , so I don't  I think  it 's all just  It 's fine. You know. Fine to do it however is convenient.


Rather than doing seeks through the file.

This is all just temporary access , so I don't  I think  it 's all just  It 's fine. You know. Fine to do it however is convenient.


This is all just temporary access , so I don't  I think  it 's all just  It 's fine. You know. Fine to do it however is convenient.

I mean it just depends how big the file is. If the file sits in memory you can do extremely fast seeks


This is all just temporary access , so I don't  I think  it 's all just  It 's fine. You know. Fine to do it however is convenient.

I mean it just depends how big the file is. If the file sits in memory you can do extremely fast seeks

Right. The other thing is that , believe it or not  I mean , we have some


I mean it just depends how big the file is. If the file sits in memory you can do extremely fast seeks

Right. The other thing is that , believe it or not  I mean , we have some


Right. The other thing is that , believe it or not  I mean , we have some

So we 're also looking at these in Waves like for the alignments and so forth. You can't load an hour of speech into X Waves.


So we 're also looking at these in Waves like for the alignments and so forth. You can't load an hour of speech into X Waves.


So we 're also looking at these in Waves like for the alignments and so forth. You can't load an hour of speech into X Waves.

You need to s have these small files , and in fact , even for the Transcriber program Um


You need to s have these small files , and in fact , even for the Transcriber program Um

Yeah , you  you can give Waves a start and an end time. And middle.


You need to s have these small files , and in fact , even for the Transcriber program Um

Yeah , you  you can give Waves a start and an end time. And middle.

Yeah , if you try to load s really long waveform into X Waves , you 'll be waiting there for


Yeah , you  you can give Waves a start and an end time. And middle.

Yeah , if you try to load s really long waveform into X Waves , you 'll be waiting there for

No , I  I 'm not suggesting you load a long wave file ,


Yeah , if you try to load s really long waveform into X Waves , you 'll be waiting there for

No , I  I 'm not suggesting you load a long wave file ,

I 'm just saying you give it a start and an end time. And it 'll just go and pull out that section.


No , I  I 'm not suggesting you load a long wave file ,

I 'm just saying you give it a start and an end time. And it 'll just go and pull out that section.

I th w The transcribers didn't have any problem with that did they Jane ?


I 'm just saying you give it a start and an end time. And it 'll just go and pull out that section.

I th w The transcribers didn't have any problem with that did they Jane ?


I th w The transcribers didn't have any problem with that did they Jane ?

No , with the Transcriber tool , it 's no problem.


No , with the Transcriber tool , it 's no problem.

They loaded  they loaded the long long files into X Waves.


They loaded  they loaded the long long files into X Waves.


but not for the wavefile. The wavefile is there immediately.


but not for the wavefile. The wavefile is there immediately.

Are you talking about Transcriber or X Waves ?


Are you talking about Transcriber or X Waves ?

Yeah. Oh , I 'm tr talking about Transcriber.


Are you talking about Transcriber or X Waves ?

Yeah. Oh , I 'm tr talking about Transcriber.

Actually , you 're talking about Transcriber , right ?


Yeah. Oh , I 'm tr talking about Transcriber.

Actually , you 're talking about Transcriber , right ?


Yeah. Oh , I 'm tr talking about Transcriber.

Actually , you 're talking about Transcriber , right ?

Because  because i we used X Waves to do the digits.


Actually , you 're talking about Transcriber , right ?

Because  because i we used X Waves to do the digits.

It was also true of the digits task which was X Waves.


Because  because i we used X Waves to do the digits.

It was also true of the digits task which was X Waves.

And they were loading the full mixed files then ,


It was also true of the digits task which was X Waves.

And they were loading the full mixed files then ,


And they were loading the full mixed files then ,


Huh. Well we  we have a problem with that , you know , time - wise on a  It - it 's a lot slower to load in a long file ,


Huh. Well we  we have a problem with that , you know , time - wise on a  It - it 's a lot slower to load in a long file ,

and also to check the file , so if you have a transcript , um ,


and also to check the file , so if you have a transcript , um ,


and also to check the file , so if you have a transcript , um ,

I mean it 's  I  I think overall you could get everything to work by accessing the same waveform and trying to find two  you know , the begin and end times. Um , but I think it 's more efficient , if we have the storage space , to have the small ones.


I mean it 's  I  I think overall you could get everything to work by accessing the same waveform and trying to find two  you know , the begin and end times. Um , but I think it 's more efficient , if we have the storage space , to have the small ones.


If we don't have a spare disk sitting around we go out and we buy ourselves an eighty gigabyte drive and make it all scratch space. You know , it 's not a big deal.


If we don't have a spare disk sitting around we go out and we buy ourselves an eighty gigabyte drive and make it all scratch space. You know , it 's not a big deal.

You 're right about the backup being  a bottleneck.


You 're right about the backup being  a bottleneck.

Yeah , so these wouldn't be backed up , the


Yeah , so these wouldn't be backed up , the


and I 'll  and we 'll look at your disk and see where to put stuff.


and I 'll  and we 'll look at your disk and see where to put stuff.

OK. Alright. I mean , I could just u do a DU on it right ? And just see which  how much is on each  So.


and I 'll  and we 'll look at your disk and see where to put stuff.

OK. Alright. I mean , I could just u do a DU on it right ? And just see which  how much is on each  So.

Yep. Each partition. And you wanna use , either XA or scratch.


OK. Alright. I mean , I could just u do a DU on it right ? And just see which  how much is on each  So.

Yep. Each partition. And you wanna use , either XA or scratch.

Well X question mark , anything starting with X is scratch.


Yep. Each partition. And you wanna use , either XA or scratch.

Well X question mark , anything starting with X is scratch.


Well X question mark , anything starting with X is scratch.


OK. So I got a little print - out here. So three on this side , three on this side. And I stapled them. OK. Alright so , first of all , um , there was a  an interest in the transcribe transcription , uh , checking procedures and   and I can  tell you first , uh , to go through the steps although you 've probably seen them. Um , as you might imagine , when you 're dealing with , um , r really c a fair number of words , and uh , @ @  natural speech which means s self - repairs and all these other factors , that there 're lots of things to be , um , s standardized and streamlined and checked on. And , um , so , I did a bunch of checks , and the first thing I did was obviously a spell - check. And at that point I discovered certain things like , um , " accommodate " with one " M " , that kind of thing. And then , in addition to that , I did an exhaustive listing of the forms in the data file , which included n detecting things like f faulty punctuation and things


OK. So I got a little print - out here. So three on this side , three on this side. And I stapled them. OK. Alright so , first of all , um , there was a  an interest in the transcribe transcription , uh , checking procedures and   and I can  tell you first , uh , to go through the steps although you 've probably seen them. Um , as you might imagine , when you 're dealing with , um , r really c a fair number of words , and uh , @ @  natural speech which means s self - repairs and all these other factors , that there 're lots of things to be , um , s standardized and streamlined and checked on. And , um , so , I did a bunch of checks , and the first thing I did was obviously a spell - check. And at that point I discovered certain things like , um , " accommodate " with one " M " , that kind of thing. And then , in addition to that , I did an exhaustive listing of the forms in the data file , which included n detecting things like f faulty punctuation and things

you could  could I just back up a little bit


you could  could I just back up a little bit


So you 're doing these  So  the whole process is that the transcribers get the conversation


And then when they 're finished with it , it comes to you ,


And then when they 're finished with it , it comes to you ,

and you begin these sanit these quality checks.


and you begin these sanit these quality checks.


Exactly. Yeah. Thank you. And so , uh , I do a  an exhaustive listing of the forms  Actually , I will go through this in  in order , so if  if we could maybe wait and stick keep that for a second cuz we 're not ready for that.


Exactly. Yeah. Thank you. And so , uh , I do a  an exhaustive listing of the forms  Actually , I will go through this in  in order , so if  if we could maybe wait and stick keep that for a second cuz we 're not ready for that.

Yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah. Exactly ! Exactly ! Alright so ,  a spelling check first then an exhaustive listing of the , uh  all the forms in the data with the punctuation attached and at that point I pick up things like , oh , you know , word followed by two commas. And th and then another check involves , uh , being sure that every utterance has an identifiable speaker. And if not , then that gets checked. Then there 's this issue of glossing s w so - called " spoken - forms ". So there  mo for the most part , we 're keeping it standard wo word level transcription. But there 's  w And that that 's done with the assumption that  pronunciation variants can be handled. So for things like " and " , the fact that someone doesn't say the " D " , uh that 's not important enough to capture in the transcription because a  a good pronunciation , uh , you know , model would be able to handle that. However , things like " cuz " where you 're lacking an entire very prominent first syllable , and furthermore , it 's a form that 's specific to spoken language , those are r reasons  f for those reasons I  I kept that separate , and used the convention of using " CUZ " for that form , however , glossing it so that it 's possible with the script to plug in the full orthographic form for that one , and a couple of others , not many. So " wanna " is another one , " going  " uh , " gonna " is another one , with just the assumption , again , that this  th these are things which it 's not really fair to a c consider  expect that  a pronunciation model , to handle. And Chuck , you in you indicated that " cuz " is  is one of those that 's handled in a different way also , didn't you ? Did I


Yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah. Exactly ! Exactly ! Alright so ,  a spelling check first then an exhaustive listing of the , uh  all the forms in the data with the punctuation attached and at that point I pick up things like , oh , you know , word followed by two commas. And th and then another check involves , uh , being sure that every utterance has an identifiable speaker. And if not , then that gets checked. Then there 's this issue of glossing s w so - called " spoken - forms ". So there  mo for the most part , we 're keeping it standard wo word level transcription. But there 's  w And that that 's done with the assumption that  pronunciation variants can be handled. So for things like " and " , the fact that someone doesn't say the " D " , uh that 's not important enough to capture in the transcription because a  a good pronunciation , uh , you know , model would be able to handle that. However , things like " cuz " where you 're lacking an entire very prominent first syllable , and furthermore , it 's a form that 's specific to spoken language , those are r reasons  f for those reasons I  I kept that separate , and used the convention of using " CUZ " for that form , however , glossing it so that it 's possible with the script to plug in the full orthographic form for that one , and a couple of others , not many. So " wanna " is another one , " going  " uh , " gonna " is another one , with just the assumption , again , that this  th these are things which it 's not really fair to a c consider  expect that  a pronunciation model , to handle. And Chuck , you in you indicated that " cuz " is  is one of those that 's handled in a different way also , didn't you ? Did I

OK. So  so it might not have been   It might not have been you ,


OK. So  so it might not have been   It might not have been you ,

but someone told me that in fact " cuz " is treated differently in , um , i u in this context because of that r reason that , um , it 's a little bit farther than a pronunciation variant. OK , so after that , let 's see ,


OK. So  so it might not have been   It might not have been you ,

but someone told me that in fact " cuz " is treated differently in , um , i u in this context because of that r reason that , um , it 's a little bit farther than a pronunciation variant. OK , so after that , let 's see ,

So that was part of the spell - check ,  or was that  that was after the spell - check ?


but someone told me that in fact " cuz " is treated differently in , um , i u in this context because of that r reason that , um , it 's a little bit farther than a pronunciation variant. OK , so after that , let 's see ,

So that was part of the spell - check ,  or was that  that was after the spell - check ?

um. Well so when I get the exhau So the spell - check picks up those words because they 're not in the dictionary.


So that was part of the spell - check ,  or was that  that was after the spell - check ?

um. Well so when I get the exhau So the spell - check picks up those words because they 're not in the dictionary.

So it gets " cuz " and " wanna " and that


um. Well so when I get the exhau So the spell - check picks up those words because they 're not in the dictionary.

So it gets " cuz " and " wanna " and that


So it gets " cuz " and " wanna " and that

Yeah , mm - hmm. Run it through  I have a sed  You know , so I do sed script saying whenever you see " gonna " you know , " convert it to gonna " , you know , " gloss equals quote going - to quote " , you know. And with all these things being in curly brackets


Yeah , mm - hmm. Run it through  I have a sed  You know , so I do sed script saying whenever you see " gonna " you know , " convert it to gonna " , you know , " gloss equals quote going - to quote " , you know. And with all these things being in curly brackets

so they 're always distinctive. OK , I also wrote a script which will , um , retrieve anything in curly brackets ,  or anything which I 've classified as an acronym , and  a pronounced acronym. And the way I tag ac pronounced acronyms is that I have underscores between the components. So if it 's " ACL " then it 's " A " underscore " C " underscore " L ".


Yeah , mm - hmm. Run it through  I have a sed  You know , so I do sed script saying whenever you see " gonna " you know , " convert it to gonna " , you know , " gloss equals quote going - to quote " , you know. And with all these things being in curly brackets

so they 're always distinctive. OK , I also wrote a script which will , um , retrieve anything in curly brackets ,  or anything which I 've classified as an acronym , and  a pronounced acronym. And the way I tag ac pronounced acronyms is that I have underscores between the components. So if it 's " ACL " then it 's " A " underscore " C " underscore " L ".

And so  so your list here , are these ones that actually occurred in the meetings ?


so they 're always distinctive. OK , I also wrote a script which will , um , retrieve anything in curly brackets ,  or anything which I 've classified as an acronym , and  a pronounced acronym. And the way I tag ac pronounced acronyms is that I have underscores between the components. So if it 's " ACL " then it 's " A " underscore " C " underscore " L ".

And so  so your list here , are these ones that actually occurred in the meetings ?


And so  so your list here , are these ones that actually occurred in the meetings ?


Um , can I ask a question about the glossing , uh before we go on ?


Um , can I ask a question about the glossing , uh before we go on ?

So , for a word like " because " is it that it 's always predictably " because " ? I mean , is " CUZ " always meaning " because " ?


Um , can I ask a question about the glossing , uh before we go on ?

So , for a word like " because " is it that it 's always predictably " because " ? I mean , is " CUZ " always meaning " because " ?

Yes , but not the reverse. So sometimes people will say " because " in the meeting , and if  if they actually said " because " , then it 's written as " because " with no  w " cuz " doesn't even figure into the equation.


So , for a word like " because " is it that it 's always predictably " because " ? I mean , is " CUZ " always meaning " because " ?

Yes , but not the reverse. So sometimes people will say " because " in the meeting , and if  if they actually said " because " , then it 's written as " because " with no  w " cuz " doesn't even figure into the equation.

But  but in our meetings people don't say " hey cuz how you doing ? "


Yes , but not the reverse. So sometimes people will say " because " in the meeting , and if  if they actually said " because " , then it 's written as " because " with no  w " cuz " doesn't even figure into the equation.

But  but in our meetings people don't say " hey cuz how you doing ? "


But  but in our meetings people don't say " hey cuz how you doing ? "


Um , so , I guess  So , from the point of view of


Um , so , I guess  So , from the point of view of

The  the only problem is that with  for the recognition we  we map it to " because " ,


The  the only problem is that with  for the recognition we  we map it to " because " ,


You have the gloss form so you always replace it.


and he 's bee he has a glo he has a script that


and he 's bee he has a glo he has a script that

I replace the " cuz " with " because " if it 's glossed.


I replace the " cuz " with " because " if it 's glossed.

But then there are other glosses that we don't replace , right ? Because


But then there are other glosses that we don't replace , right ? Because

Yes. And that 's why there 're different tags on the glosses ,


But then there are other glosses that we don't replace , right ? Because

Yes. And that 's why there 're different tags on the glosses ,

on the different  on the different types of comments , which we 'll  which we 'll see in just a second.


Yes. And that 's why there 're different tags on the glosses ,

on the different  on the different types of comments , which we 'll  which we 'll see in just a second.


on the different  on the different types of comments , which we 'll  which we 'll see in just a second.


on the different  on the different types of comments , which we 'll  which we 'll see in just a second.

So the pronounceable acronyms get underscores , the things in curly brackets are viewed as comments. There 're comments of four types. So this is a good time to introduce that. The four types. w And maybe we 'll expand that


So the pronounceable acronyms get underscores , the things in curly brackets are viewed as comments. There 're comments of four types. So this is a good time to introduce that. The four types. w And maybe we 'll expand that


So the pronounceable acronyms get underscores , the things in curly brackets are viewed as comments. There 're comments of four types. So this is a good time to introduce that. The four types. w And maybe we 'll expand that

but the  but the comments are , um , of four types mainly right now. One of them is , um , the gloss type we just mentioned.


but the  but the comments are , um , of four types mainly right now. One of them is , um , the gloss type we just mentioned.


but the  but the comments are , um , of four types mainly right now. One of them is , um , the gloss type we just mentioned.

So a are we done with acronyms ? Cuz I had a question on what  what this meant.


So a are we done with acronyms ? Cuz I had a question on what  what this meant.

I 'm still doing the overview. I haven't actually gotten here yet.


So a are we done with acronyms ? Cuz I had a question on what  what this meant.

I 'm still doing the overview. I haven't actually gotten here yet.

OK so , gloss is things like replacing the full form u with the , um , more abbreviated one to the left. Uh , then you have if it 's  uh , there 're a couple different types of elements that can happen that aren't really properly words , and wo some of them are laughs and breathes , so we have  uh that 's prepended with a v a tag of " VOC ".


I 'm still doing the overview. I haven't actually gotten here yet.

OK so , gloss is things like replacing the full form u with the , um , more abbreviated one to the left. Uh , then you have if it 's  uh , there 're a couple different types of elements that can happen that aren't really properly words , and wo some of them are laughs and breathes , so we have  uh that 's prepended with a v a tag of " VOC ".


OK so , gloss is things like replacing the full form u with the , um , more abbreviated one to the left. Uh , then you have if it 's  uh , there 're a couple different types of elements that can happen that aren't really properly words , and wo some of them are laughs and breathes , so we have  uh that 's prepended with a v a tag of " VOC ".

And the non - vocal ones are like door - slams and tappings , and that 's prepended with a no non - vocalization.


OK so , gloss is things like replacing the full form u with the , um , more abbreviated one to the left. Uh , then you have if it 's  uh , there 're a couple different types of elements that can happen that aren't really properly words , and wo some of them are laughs and breathes , so we have  uh that 's prepended with a v a tag of " VOC ".

And the non - vocal ones are like door - slams and tappings , and that 's prepended with a no non - vocalization.

So then it  just an ending curly brace there , or is there something else in there.


And the non - vocal ones are like door - slams and tappings , and that 's prepended with a no non - vocalization.

So then it  just an ending curly brace there , or is there something else in there.


So then it  just an ending curly brace there , or is there something else in there.


And then the no non - vocalization would be something like a door - slam. They always end. So it 's like they 're paired curly brackets. And then the third type right now ,  uh , is  m things that fall in the category of comments about what 's happening. So it could be something like , you know , " referring to so - and - so " , " talking about such - and - such " , uh , you know , " looking at so - and - so ".


And then the no non - vocalization would be something like a door - slam. They always end. So it 's like they 're paired curly brackets. And then the third type right now ,  uh , is  m things that fall in the category of comments about what 's happening. So it could be something like , you know , " referring to so - and - so " , " talking about such - and - such " , uh , you know , " looking at so - and - so ".

on the middle t So , in the first case that gloss applies to the word to the left. But in the middle two  Th - it 's not applying to anything , right ?


on the middle t So , in the first case that gloss applies to the word to the left. But in the middle two  Th - it 's not applying to anything , right ?


Well the " QUAL " can be  The " QUAL " is applying to the left.


Well the " QUAL " can be  The " QUAL " is applying to the left.

They 're actually  They have the status of events.


Well the " QUAL " can be  The " QUAL " is applying to the left.

They 're actually  They have the status of events.

Right , I just meant the middle two ones , yeah.


They 're actually  They have the status of events.

Right , I just meant the middle two ones , yeah.

Well , and actually , um , it is true that , with respect to " laugh " , there 's another one which is " while laughing " ,


Right , I just meant the middle two ones , yeah.

Well , and actually , um , it is true that , with respect to " laugh " , there 's another one which is " while laughing " ,


Well , and actually , um , it is true that , with respect to " laugh " , there 's another one which is " while laughing " ,

and that is , uh , i i An argument could be made for this  tur turning that into a qualitative statement because it 's talking about the thing that preceded it , but at present we haven't been , um , uh , coding the exact scope of laughing , you know , and so to have " while laughing " , you know that it happened somewhere in there which could well mean that it occurred separately and following , or , you know , including some of the utterances to the left. Haven't been awfully precise about that , but I have here , now we 're about to get to the  to this now , I have frequencies. So you 'll see how often these different things occur. But , um , uh , the very front page deals with this , uh , final c pa uh , uh , aspect of the standardization which has to do with the spoken forms like " mm - hmm " and " mm - hmm " and " ha " and " uh - uh " and all these different types. And , um , uh , someone pointed out to me , this might have been Chuck ,  about , um  about how a recognizer , if it 's looking for " mm - hmmm " with three M 's ,  and it 's transcribed with two M 's ,  that it might  uh , that it might increase the error rate which is  which would really be a shame because um , I p I personally w would not be able to make a claim that those are dr dramatically different items. So , right now I 've standardized across all the existing data with these spoken forms.


and that is , uh , i i An argument could be made for this  tur turning that into a qualitative statement because it 's talking about the thing that preceded it , but at present we haven't been , um , uh , coding the exact scope of laughing , you know , and so to have " while laughing " , you know that it happened somewhere in there which could well mean that it occurred separately and following , or , you know , including some of the utterances to the left. Haven't been awfully precise about that , but I have here , now we 're about to get to the  to this now , I have frequencies. So you 'll see how often these different things occur. But , um , uh , the very front page deals with this , uh , final c pa uh , uh , aspect of the standardization which has to do with the spoken forms like " mm - hmm " and " mm - hmm " and " ha " and " uh - uh " and all these different types. And , um , uh , someone pointed out to me , this might have been Chuck ,  about , um  about how a recognizer , if it 's looking for " mm - hmmm " with three M 's ,  and it 's transcribed with two M 's ,  that it might  uh , that it might increase the error rate which is  which would really be a shame because um , I p I personally w would not be able to make a claim that those are dr dramatically different items. So , right now I 've standardized across all the existing data with these spoken forms.


all existing data except thirty minutes which got found today. So , I 'm gonna   I 'm gonna   I 'm gonna check


all existing data except thirty minutes which got found today. So , I 'm gonna   I 'm gonna   I 'm gonna check

Yeah , yeah. Acsu - actually yeah. I got  It was stored in a place I didn't expect ,


Yeah , yeah. Acsu - actually yeah. I got  It was stored in a place I didn't expect ,

so  and  and um , w we , uh , sh yea reconstructed how that happened.


so  and  and um , w we , uh , sh yea reconstructed how that happened.


so  and  and um , w we , uh , sh yea reconstructed how that happened.

And this is  this 'll be great. So I 'll  I 'll be able to get through that tonight , and then everyth i well , actually later today probably.


And this is  this 'll be great. So I 'll  I 'll be able to get through that tonight , and then everyth i well , actually later today probably.


And this is  this 'll be great. So I 'll  I 'll be able to get through that tonight , and then everyth i well , actually later today probably.

And so then we 'll have everything following these conventions. But you notice it 's really rather a small set of these kinds of things.


And so then we 'll have everything following these conventions. But you notice it 's really rather a small set of these kinds of things.

And I made it so that these are , um , with a couple exceptions but , things that you wouldn't find in the spell - checker so that they 'll show up really easily. And , um


And so then we 'll have everything following these conventions. But you notice it 's really rather a small set of these kinds of things.

And I made it so that these are , um , with a couple exceptions but , things that you wouldn't find in the spell - checker so that they 'll show up really easily. And , um

Jane , can I ask you a question ? What 's that very last one correspond to ?


And I made it so that these are , um , with a couple exceptions but , things that you wouldn't find in the spell - checker so that they 'll show up really easily. And , um

Jane , can I ask you a question ? What 's that very last one correspond to ?


And I made it so that these are , um , with a couple exceptions but , things that you wouldn't find in the spell - checker so that they 'll show up really easily. And , um

Jane , can I ask you a question ? What 's that very last one correspond to ?

I don't even know how to pronounce that.


Jane , can I ask you a question ? What 's that very last one correspond to ?

I don't even know how to pronounce that.

Well , yeah. Now that  that s only occurs once ,


I don't even know how to pronounce that.

Well , yeah. Now that  that s only occurs once ,


Well , yeah. Now that  that s only occurs once ,


Uh , is that like someone 's like burning or some such thing ?


Uh , is that like someone 's like burning or some such thing ?

So - c I haven't listened to it so I don't know.


Uh , is that like someone 's like burning or some such thing ?

So - c I haven't listened to it so I don't know.

I haven't heard it actually. I n I need to listen to that one.


So - c I haven't listened to it so I don't know.

I haven't heard it actually. I n I need to listen to that one.


I haven't heard it actually. I n I need to listen to that one.


I haven't heard it actually. I n I need to listen to that one.

Actually we  we gave this to our pronunciation person ,


Actually we  we gave this to our pronunciation person ,


Actually we  we gave this to our pronunciation person ,

she 's like , " I don't know what that is either ". So.


Actually we  we gave this to our pronunciation person ,

she 's like , " I don't know what that is either ". So.

Did she hear the th did she actually hear it ? Cuz I haven't heard it.


she 's like , " I don't know what that is either ". So.

Did she hear the th did she actually hear it ? Cuz I haven't heard it.

No , we just gave her a list of words that , you know , weren't in our dictionary and so of course it picked up stuff like this , and she just didn't listen so she didn't know. We just  we 're waiting on that  just to do the alignments.


she 's like , " I don't know what that is either ". So.

Did she hear the th did she actually hear it ? Cuz I haven't heard it.

No , we just gave her a list of words that , you know , weren't in our dictionary and so of course it picked up stuff like this , and she just didn't listen so she didn't know. We just  we 're waiting on that  just to do the alignments.

Yeah. Yeah I 'm curious to se hear what it is , but I didn't know  wanna change it to something else until I knew.


Did she hear the th did she actually hear it ? Cuz I haven't heard it.

No , we just gave her a list of words that , you know , weren't in our dictionary and so of course it picked up stuff like this , and she just didn't listen so she didn't know. We just  we 're waiting on that  just to do the alignments.

Yeah. Yeah I 'm curious to se hear what it is , but I didn't know  wanna change it to something else until I knew.


No , we just gave her a list of words that , you know , weren't in our dictionary and so of course it picked up stuff like this , and she just didn't listen so she didn't know. We just  we 're waiting on that  just to do the alignments.

Yeah. Yeah I 'm curious to se hear what it is , but I didn't know  wanna change it to something else until I knew.


Yeah. Yeah I 'm curious to se hear what it is , but I didn't know  wanna change it to something else until I knew.


No one really says " argh , " you know ,


Well , there 's another  there 's another word error.


Well , there 's another  there 's another word error.

Yes , that 's right. We 're gonna have a big problem when we talk about that.


Yes , that 's right. We 're gonna have a big problem when we talk about that.


Yes , that 's right. We 're gonna have a big problem when we talk about that.

We 're gonna never recognize this meeting.


We 're gonna never recognize this meeting.


So. Well , or if you 're a C programmer.


So. Well , or if you 're a C programmer.

You say arg - C and arg - V all the time.


You say arg - C and arg - V all the time.


I have one question about the the " EH " versus like the " AH " and the " UH ".


I have one question about the the " EH " versus like the " AH " and the " UH ".

That 's partly a nonnative - native thing ,


I have one question about the the " EH " versus like the " AH " and the " UH ".

That 's partly a nonnative - native thing ,

but I have found " EH " in native speakers too.


That 's partly a nonnative - native thing ,

but I have found " EH " in native speakers too.


but I have found " EH " in native speakers too.


" Eh , " yeah right , cuz there were  were some speakers that did definite " eh 's "


So , it  it 's actually probably good for us to know the difference between the real " eh " and the one that 's just like " uh " or transcribed " aaa "


So , it  it 's actually probably good for us to know the difference between the real " eh " and the one that 's just like " uh " or transcribed " aaa "

cuz in  like in Switchboard , you would see e all of these forms , but they all were like " uh ".


So , it  it 's actually probably good for us to know the difference between the real " eh " and the one that 's just like " uh " or transcribed " aaa "

cuz in  like in Switchboard , you would see e all of these forms , but they all were like " uh ".

You mean just the single letter " a "  as in the particle ?


cuz in  like in Switchboard , you would see e all of these forms , but they all were like " uh ".

You mean just the single letter " a "  as in the particle ?


You mean just the single letter " a "  as in the particle ?


or  the " UH " , " EH " , " AH " were all the same. And then , we have this additional non - native version of  uh , like " eeh ".


or  the " UH " , " EH " , " AH " were all the same. And then , we have this additional non - native version of  uh , like " eeh ".

All the " EH " 's I 've seen have been like that. They 've been like " eh " like that have bee has been transcribed to " EH ". And sometimes it 's stronger ,


or  the " UH " , " EH " , " AH " were all the same. And then , we have this additional non - native version of  uh , like " eeh ".

All the " EH " 's I 've seen have been like that. They 've been like " eh " like that have bee has been transcribed to " EH ". And sometimes it 's stronger ,

like " eeh "  which is like closer to " EH ".


All the " EH " 's I 've seen have been like that. They 've been like " eh " like that have bee has been transcribed to " EH ". And sometimes it 's stronger ,

like " eeh "  which is like closer to " EH ".


like " eeh "  which is like closer to " EH ".


I 'm just  these poor transcribers , they 're gonna hate this meeting.


I 'm just  these poor transcribers , they 're gonna hate this meeting.

Well ,  we 're not doing  We 're not doing length.


Well ,  we 're not doing  We 're not doing length.

Quick Thilo , do a  do a filled pause for us.


Quick Thilo , do a  do a filled pause for us.

But you 're a native German speaker so it 's not a  not a issue for


But you 're a native German speaker so it 's not a  not a issue for


Onl yeah. No , only if you don't have lax vowels , I guess.


Yeah I  I think you 've  uh - huh , yeah.


Yeah , and so , you know , I mean , th th I have  there are some , um , Americans who  who are using this " eh " too , and I haven't listened to it systematically , maybe with some of them , uh , they 'd end up being " uh 's " but , uh , I my spot - checking has made me think that we do have " eh " in also , um , American e e data represented here. But any case , that 's the  this is reduced down from really quite a long a much longer list ,


functionally pretty , you know , also  It was fascinating , I was listening to some of these , uh , I guess two nights ago , and it 's just hilarious to liste to  to do a search for the " mm - hmm 's ". And you get " mm - hmm " and diff everybody 's doing it.


functionally pretty , you know , also  It was fascinating , I was listening to some of these , uh , I guess two nights ago , and it 's just hilarious to liste to  to do a search for the " mm - hmm 's ". And you get " mm - hmm " and diff everybody 's doing it.

Just  I wanted to say  I w think it would be fun to make a montage of it because there 's a " Mm - hmm. Mm - hmm.


Just  I wanted to say  I w think it would be fun to make a montage of it because there 's a " Mm - hmm. Mm - hmm.


It 's really  it 's really fun to listen to.


It 's really  it 's really fun to listen to.

All these different vocal tracts , you know , but it 's  it 's the same item. It 's very interesting. OK. Uh , then the acronyms y and the ones in parentheses are ones which the transcriber wasn't sure of ,


All these different vocal tracts , you know , but it 's  it 's the same item. It 's very interesting. OK. Uh , then the acronyms y and the ones in parentheses are ones which the transcriber wasn't sure of ,

and I haven't been able to listen to to  to clarify , but you can see that the parenthesis convention makes it very easy to find them


and I haven't been able to listen to to  to clarify , but you can see that the parenthesis convention makes it very easy to find them

cuz it 's the only place where  where they 're used.


and I haven't been able to listen to to  to clarify , but you can see that the parenthesis convention makes it very easy to find them

cuz it 's the only place where  where they 're used.

The question marks , yeah. What are those ?


cuz it 's the only place where  where they 're used.

The question marks , yeah. What are those ?

Question mark is punctuation. So it  they said that @ @


The question marks , yeah. What are those ?

Question mark is punctuation. So it  they said that @ @


Question mark is punctuation. So it  they said that @ @


Exactly. Exactly. Yeah , so the only  Well , and I do have a stress marker here. Sometimes the contrastive stress is showing up , and , um


Exactly. Exactly. Yeah , so the only  Well , and I do have a stress marker here. Sometimes the contrastive stress is showing up , and , um

I 'm sorry , I  I got lost here. What - w what 's the difference between the parenthesized acronym and the non - parenthesized ?


Exactly. Exactly. Yeah , so the only  Well , and I do have a stress marker here. Sometimes the contrastive stress is showing up , and , um

I 'm sorry , I  I got lost here. What - w what 's the difference between the parenthesized acronym and the non - parenthesized ?

The parenthesized is something that the transcriber thought was ANN , but wasn't entirely sure. So I 'd need to go back or someone needs to go back , and say , you know , yes or no ,


I 'm sorry , I  I got lost here. What - w what 's the difference between the parenthesized acronym and the non - parenthesized ?

The parenthesized is something that the transcriber thought was ANN , but wasn't entirely sure. So I 'd need to go back or someone needs to go back , and say , you know , yes or no ,


The parenthesized is something that the transcriber thought was ANN , but wasn't entirely sure. So I 'd need to go back or someone needs to go back , and say , you know , yes or no ,


But the parentheses are used only in that context in the transcripts , of of noti noticing that there 's something uncertain.


But the parentheses are used only in that context in the transcripts , of of noti noticing that there 's something uncertain.

Yeah I mean cuz they  they have no idea ,


Yeah I mean cuz they  they have no idea ,

right. If you hear CTPD , I mean , they do pretty well


right. If you hear CTPD , I mean , they do pretty well


you know how are  how are they gonna know ?


you know how are  how are they gonna know ?

I know ! I  I was saying that I think a lot of them are the Networks meeting.


I know ! I  I was saying that I think a lot of them are the Networks meeting.


a lot of these are  are coming from them. I listened to some of that.


a lot of these are  are coming from them. I listened to some of that.

Yeah , we don't have that many acronyms comparatively in this meeting.


Yeah , we don't have that many acronyms comparatively in this meeting.


but the NSA group is just very very many.


but the NSA group is just very very many.

The recognizer , it is funny. Kept getting PTA for PDA.


The recognizer , it is funny. Kept getting PTA for PDA.


and the PTA was in these , uh , topics about children ,


Right and sometimes , I mean , you see a couple of these that are actually " OK 's " so it 's  it 's  may be that they got to the point where  I mean it was low enough understandable  understandability that they weren't entirely sure the person said " OK. " You know , so it isn't really necessarily a an undecipherable acronym ,


Right and sometimes , I mean , you see a couple of these that are actually " OK 's " so it 's  it 's  may be that they got to the point where  I mean it was low enough understandable  understandability that they weren't entirely sure the person said " OK. " You know , so it isn't really necessarily a an undecipherable acronym ,

but just n needs to be double checked. Now we get to the comments. This


Right and sometimes , I mean , you see a couple of these that are actually " OK 's " so it 's  it 's  may be that they got to the point where  I mean it was low enough understandable  understandability that they weren't entirely sure the person said " OK. " You know , so it isn't really necessarily a an undecipherable acronym ,

but just n needs to be double checked. Now we get to the comments. This

The number to the left is the number of incidences ?


but just n needs to be double checked. Now we get to the comments. This

The number to the left is the number of incidences ?


but just n needs to be double checked. Now we get to the comments. This

The number to the left is the number of incidences ?

Number of times out of the entire database ,


The number to the left is the number of incidences ?

Number of times out of the entire database ,


Number of times out of the entire database ,

w except for that last thirty minutes I haven't checked yet.


w except for that last thirty minutes I haven't checked yet.


So what is the difference between " papers rustling " and " rustling papers " ?


So what is the difference between " papers rustling " and " rustling papers " ?

I 'd have to listen. I  I I agree. I w I 'd like to standardize these down farther but , um , uh , uh , to me that sounds equivalent.


I 'd have to listen. I  I I agree. I w I 'd like to standardize these down farther but , um , uh , uh , to me that sounds equivalent.

But , I  I 'm a little hesitant to  to collapse across categories unless I actually listen to them.


But , I  I 'm a little hesitant to  to collapse across categories unless I actually listen to them.


But , I  I 'm a little hesitant to  to collapse across categories unless I actually listen to them.

Oh I 'm sure we 've said XML more than five times.


Oh I 'm sure we 've said XML more than five times.


Wh - the self - referential aspect of these  these p


Well this is exactly how people will prove that these meetings do differ because we 're recording , right ?


Well this is exactly how people will prove that these meetings do differ because we 're recording , right ?

Y no normally you don't go around saying , " Now you 've said it six times.


Y no normally you don't go around saying , " Now you 've said it six times.


Y no normally you don't go around saying , " Now you 've said it six times.

But did you notice that there were seven hundred and eighty five instances of " OK " ?


But did you notice that there were seven hundred and eighty five instances of " OK " ?


But did you notice that there were seven hundred and eighty five instances of " OK " ?

And that 's just without the  without punc punctuation.


And that 's just without the  without punc punctuation.


Is this after  like did you do some uh replacements for all the different form of " OK " to this ?


Mm - hmm. So that 's the single existing convention for " OK ".


Mm - hmm. So that 's the single existing convention for " OK ".

So now we 're up to seven hundred and eighty eight.


So now we 're up to seven hundred and eighty eight.

Although , what 's  there 's one with a slash after it. That 's kind of disturbing.


Although , what 's  there 's one with a slash after it. That 's kind of disturbing.

Yeah , we 'll have to look at it you know.


Although , what 's  there 's one with a slash after it. That 's kind of disturbing.

Yeah , we 'll have to look at it you know.

That 's  that 's  I looked for that one.


Yeah , we 'll have to look at it you know.

That 's  that 's  I looked for that one.


That 's  that 's  I looked for that one.

I actually explicitly looked for that one ,


I actually explicitly looked for that one ,


I actually explicitly looked for that one ,

and I think that , um , I  I 'm not exactly sure about that.


I actually explicitly looked for that one ,

and I think that , um , I  I 'm not exactly sure about that.

Was that somewhere where they were gonna say " new speaker " or something ?


and I think that , um , I  I 'm not exactly sure about that.

Was that somewhere where they were gonna say " new speaker " or something ?

No , I looked for that , but that doesn't actually exist. And it may be , I don't  I can't explain that.


and I think that , um , I  I 'm not exactly sure about that.

Was that somewhere where they were gonna say " new speaker " or something ?

No , I looked for that , but that doesn't actually exist. And it may be , I don't  I can't explain that.

That 's alright. I 'm just pointing that out.


Was that somewhere where they were gonna say " new speaker " or something ?

No , I looked for that , but that doesn't actually exist. And it may be , I don't  I can't explain that.

That 's alright. I 'm just pointing that out.


No , I looked for that , but that doesn't actually exist. And it may be , I don't  I can't explain that.

That 's alright. I 'm just pointing that out.


That 's alright. I 'm just pointing that out.

it 's the only pattern that has a slash after it , and I think it 's  it 's an epiphenomenon.


it 's the only pattern that has a slash after it , and I think it 's  it 's an epiphenomenon.


it 's the only pattern that has a slash after it , and I think it 's  it 's an epiphenomenon.

So I 'll just  I was just looking at the bottom of page three there , is that " to be " or " not to be ".


So I 'll just  I was just looking at the bottom of page three there , is that " to be " or " not to be ".


There is th one  Y well , no , that 's r that 's legitimate. So now , uh , comments , you can see they 're listed again , same deal , with exhaustive listing of everything found in everything except for these final th thirty minutes.


There is th one  Y well , no , that 's r that 's legitimate. So now , uh , comments , you can see they 're listed again , same deal , with exhaustive listing of everything found in everything except for these final th thirty minutes.

are they really QUALs , or are they glosses ? So like there 's a " QUAL TCL ".


are they really QUALs , or are they glosses ? So like there 's a " QUAL TCL ".


are they really QUALs , or are they glosses ? So like there 's a " QUAL TCL ".

Oh , oh. The reason is because w it was said " tickle ".


Oh , oh. The reason is because w it was said " tickle ".


Sh - shouldn't it be " QUAL TICKLE " or something ?


Sh - shouldn't it be " QUAL TICKLE " or something ?

On the  in the actual script  in the actual transcript , I s I  So this  this happens in the very first one.


On the  in the actual script  in the actual transcript , I s I  So this  this happens in the very first one.


Because we  they didn't say " TCL " , they said " tickle ".


Because we  they didn't say " TCL " , they said " tickle ".

And then , following that is " QUAL TCL ".


And then , following that is " QUAL TCL ".


It 's just comment about what they said.


It 's just comment about what they said.

It 's not something you wanna replace  with


It 's not something you wanna replace  with


It 's not something you wanna replace  with

So they didn't mean " tickle " as in Elmo ,


So they didn't mean " tickle " as in Elmo ,


But at some point  I mean , we probably shoul


But at some point  I mean , we probably shoul

We 'll probably add it to the language model.


We 'll probably add it to the language model.


We can go on lan lan add it to both dictionary and language model.


We can go on lan lan add it to both dictionary and language model.

it 's in the language model , w yeah , but it so it 's the pronunciation model that has to have a pronunciation of " tickle ".


it 's in the language model , w yeah , but it so it 's the pronunciation model that has to have a pronunciation of " tickle ".

Well " tickle " was pronounced " tickle ". Right ?


Well " tickle " was pronounced " tickle ". Right ?

It 's pronounced the same  it 's pronounced the same as the verb.


It 's pronounced the same  it 's pronounced the same as the verb.


It 's pronounced the same  it 's pronounced the same as the verb.

So I think it 's the language model that makes it different.


It 's pronounced the same  it 's pronounced the same as the verb.

So I think it 's the language model that makes it different.

Oh , sorry. What I meant is that there should be a pronunciation " tickle " for TCL as a word.


So I think it 's the language model that makes it different.

Oh , sorry. What I meant is that there should be a pronunciation " tickle " for TCL as a word.


Oh , sorry. What I meant is that there should be a pronunciation " tickle " for TCL as a word.

And that word in the  in , you know , it stays in the language model wherever it was.


And that word in the  in , you know , it stays in the language model wherever it was.


Yeah you never would put " tickle " in the language model in that form ,


Yeah you never would put " tickle " in the language model in that form ,

yeah. Right. There 's actually a bunch of cases like this with people 's names and


Yeah you never would put " tickle " in the language model in that form ,

yeah. Right. There 's actually a bunch of cases like this with people 's names and

So how w there 'd be a problem for doing the language modeling then with our transcripts the way they are.


yeah. Right. There 's actually a bunch of cases like this with people 's names and

So how w there 'd be a problem for doing the language modeling then with our transcripts the way they are.

Yes. Yeah. Yeah so th th there there 's a few cases like that where the um , the word needs to be spelled out in  in a consistent way as it would appear in the language , but there 's not very many of these. Tcl 's one of them.


yeah. Right. There 's actually a bunch of cases like this with people 's names and

So how w there 'd be a problem for doing the language modeling then with our transcripts the way they are.

Yes. Yeah. Yeah so th th there there 's a few cases like that where the um , the word needs to be spelled out in  in a consistent way as it would appear in the language , but there 's not very many of these. Tcl 's one of them.

And  and you 'll ha you 'll have to do it sychronously.


So how w there 'd be a problem for doing the language modeling then with our transcripts the way they are.

Yes. Yeah. Yeah so th th there there 's a few cases like that where the um , the word needs to be spelled out in  in a consistent way as it would appear in the language , but there 's not very many of these. Tcl 's one of them.

And  and you 'll ha you 'll have to do it sychronously.


Yes. Yeah. Yeah so th th there there 's a few cases like that where the um , the word needs to be spelled out in  in a consistent way as it would appear in the language , but there 's not very many of these. Tcl 's one of them.

And  and you 'll ha you 'll have to do it sychronously.

Right , so y so , whoever 's creating the new models , will have to also go through the transcripts and change them synchronously.


And  and you 'll ha you 'll have to do it sychronously.

Right , so y so , whoever 's creating the new models , will have to also go through the transcripts and change them synchronously.


Right , so y so , whoever 's creating the new models , will have to also go through the transcripts and change them synchronously.


Right. We have this  there is this thing I was gonna talk to you about at some point about , you know , what do we do with the dictionary as we 're up updating the dictionary , these changes have to be consistent with what 's in the  Like spelling people 's names and so forth. If we make a spelling correction to their name , like someone had Deborah Tannen 's name mispelled , and since we know who that is , you know , we could correct it ,


Right. We have this  there is this thing I was gonna talk to you about at some point about , you know , what do we do with the dictionary as we 're up updating the dictionary , these changes have to be consistent with what 's in the  Like spelling people 's names and so forth. If we make a spelling correction to their name , like someone had Deborah Tannen 's name mispelled , and since we know who that is , you know , we could correct it ,

but  but we need to make sure we have the mispel If it doesn't get corrected we have to have a pronunciation as a mispelled word in the dictionary.


but  but we need to make sure we have the mispel If it doesn't get corrected we have to have a pronunciation as a mispelled word in the dictionary.


Well , of course now the  the Tannen corre the spelling c change.


Well , of course now the  the Tannen corre the spelling c change.

Uh , that 's what gets  I  I picked those up in the frequency check.


Well , of course now the  the Tannen corre the spelling c change.

Uh , that 's what gets  I  I picked those up in the frequency check.

Right. Right. So if there 's things that get corrected before we get them , it 's  it 's not an issue ,


Uh , that 's what gets  I  I picked those up in the frequency check.

Right. Right. So if there 's things that get corrected before we get them , it 's  it 's not an issue ,


Uh , that 's what gets  I  I picked those up in the frequency check.

Right. Right. So if there 's things that get corrected before we get them , it 's  it 's not an issue ,

but if there 's things that um , we change later , then we always have to keep our  the dictionary up to date. And then , yeah , in the case of " tickle " I guess we would just have a , you know , word " TCL " which


Right. Right. So if there 's things that get corrected before we get them , it 's  it 's not an issue ,

but if there 's things that um , we change later , then we always have to keep our  the dictionary up to date. And then , yeah , in the case of " tickle " I guess we would just have a , you know , word " TCL " which


but if there 's things that um , we change later , then we always have to keep our  the dictionary up to date. And then , yeah , in the case of " tickle " I guess we would just have a , you know , word " TCL " which


but if there 's things that um , we change later , then we always have to keep our  the dictionary up to date. And then , yeah , in the case of " tickle " I guess we would just have a , you know , word " TCL " which

which normally would be an acronym , you know , " TCL "


which normally would be an acronym , you know , " TCL "


" ICSI " is  is one of those that sometimes people pronounce and sometimes they say " ICSI. "


" ICSI " is  is one of those that sometimes people pronounce and sometimes they say " ICSI. "

So , those that are l are listed in the acronyms , I actually know


So , those that are l are listed in the acronyms , I actually know

they were said as letters. The others , um , e those really do need to be listened to cuz I haven't been able to go to all the IC ICSI things ,


they were said as letters. The others , um , e those really do need to be listened to cuz I haven't been able to go to all the IC ICSI things ,

and   and until they 've been listened to they stay as " ICSI ".


and   and until they 've been listened to they stay as " ICSI ".


and   and until they 've been listened to they stay as " ICSI ".

Don and I were just noticing , love this one over on page three , " vocal  vocal gesture mimicking sound of screwing something into head to hold mike in place. "


Don and I were just noticing , love this one over on page three , " vocal  vocal gesture mimicking sound of screwing something into head to hold mike in place. "


Don and I were just noticing , love this one over on page three , " vocal  vocal gesture mimicking sound of screwing something into head to hold mike in place. "

It 's this , " rrre - rrre - rrre ". It was me.


It 's this , " rrre - rrre - rrre ". It was me.

A lot of these are me the  the " beep is said with a high pit high pitch and lengthening. "


A lot of these are me the  the " beep is said with a high pit high pitch and lengthening. "


A lot of these are me the  the " beep is said with a high pit high pitch and lengthening. "

That was the  I was imitating uh , beeping out


That was the  I was imitating uh , beeping out


Oh there is something spelled out " BEEEEEEP "


in the old  Thank you. Because he was saying , " How many E 's do I have to allow for ? "


That 's been changed. So , exactly , that 's where the lengthening comment c came in.


And those of course get  get picked up in the frequency check


and you know  I mean it gets kicked out in the spelling , and it also gets kicked out in the , uh , freq frequency listing.


and you know  I mean it gets kicked out in the spelling , and it also gets kicked out in the , uh , freq frequency listing.

I have the  there 're various things like " breathe " versus " breath " versus " inhale " and , hhh , you know , I don't know. I  I think they don't have any implications for anything else so it 's like I 'm tempted to leave them for now an and  It 's easy enough to find them when they 're in curly brackets. We can always get an exhaustive listing of these things and find them and change them.


I have the  there 're various things like " breathe " versus " breath " versus " inhale " and , hhh , you know , I don't know. I  I think they don't have any implications for anything else so it 's like I 'm tempted to leave them for now an and  It 's easy enough to find them when they 're in curly brackets. We can always get an exhaustive listing of these things and find them and change them.


Yeah , but I don't actually remember what it was. But that was  Eric did that.


it seems like there are lots of different ways it 's being done.


it seems like there are lots of different ways it 's being done.

Yes. OK , now first of all  Ooo - ooo ! Very important.


Yes. OK , now first of all  Ooo - ooo ! Very important.


Yes. OK , now first of all  Ooo - ooo ! Very important.

Uh Chuck  Chuck led to a refinement here which is to add " NUMS " if these are parts of the read numbers. Now you already know i that I had , uh , in places where they hadn't transcribed numbers , I put " numbers " in place of any kind of numbers , but there are places where they , um , it  th this convention came later an and at the very first digits task in some transcripts they actually transcribed numbers. And , um , d Chuck pointed out that this is read speech , and it 's nice to have the option of ignoring it for certain other prob uh p uh , things. And that 's why there 's this other tag here which occurs a hundred and five  or three hundred and five times right now which is just  well n n " NUMS " by itself


Uh Chuck  Chuck led to a refinement here which is to add " NUMS " if these are parts of the read numbers. Now you already know i that I had , uh , in places where they hadn't transcribed numbers , I put " numbers " in place of any kind of numbers , but there are places where they , um , it  th this convention came later an and at the very first digits task in some transcripts they actually transcribed numbers. And , um , d Chuck pointed out that this is read speech , and it 's nice to have the option of ignoring it for certain other prob uh p uh , things. And that 's why there 's this other tag here which occurs a hundred and five  or three hundred and five times right now which is just  well n n " NUMS " by itself

which means this is part of the numbers task. I may change it to " digits ". I mean , i with the sed command you can really just change it however you want because it 's systematically encoded , you know ?


which means this is part of the numbers task. I may change it to " digits ". I mean , i with the sed command you can really just change it however you want because it 's systematically encoded , you know ?

Have to think about what 's the best for  for the overall purposes , but in any case , um , " numbers " and " NUMS " are a part of this digits task thing. Um , now th Then I have these numbers that have quotation marks around them. Um , I didn't want to put them in as gloss comments because then you get the substitution. And actually , th um ,  the reason I b did it this way was because I initially started out with the other version , you have the numbers and you have the full form and the parentheses , however sometimes people stumble over these numbers they 're saying. So you say , " Seve - seventy eight point two " , or whatever. And there 's no way of capturing that if you 're putting the numbers off to the side. You can't have the seven and


Have to think about what 's the best for  for the overall purposes , but in any case , um , " numbers " and " NUMS " are a part of this digits task thing. Um , now th Then I have these numbers that have quotation marks around them. Um , I didn't want to put them in as gloss comments because then you get the substitution. And actually , th um ,  the reason I b did it this way was because I initially started out with the other version , you have the numbers and you have the full form and the parentheses , however sometimes people stumble over these numbers they 're saying. So you say , " Seve - seventy eight point two " , or whatever. And there 's no way of capturing that if you 're putting the numbers off to the side. You can't have the seven and

The left is i so example the very first one ,


The left is i so example the very first one ,

it would be , spelled out in words , " point five ".


it would be , spelled out in words , " point five ".


So i this is also spelled out in  in words. " Point five. "


So i this is also spelled out in  in words. " Point five. "

And then , in here , " NUMS " , so it 's not going to be mistaken as a gloss. It comes out as " NUMS quote dot five ".


So i this is also spelled out in  in words. " Point five. "

And then , in here , " NUMS " , so it 's not going to be mistaken as a gloss. It comes out as " NUMS quote dot five ".

OK now , the other example is , in the glosses right there ,


And then , in here , " NUMS " , so it 's not going to be mistaken as a gloss. It comes out as " NUMS quote dot five ".

OK now , the other example is , in the glosses right there ,


And then , in here , " NUMS " , so it 's not going to be mistaken as a gloss. It comes out as " NUMS quote dot five ".

OK now , the other example is , in the glosses right there ,

" gloss one one one dash one three zero ".


OK now , the other example is , in the glosses right there ,

" gloss one one one dash one three zero ".


" gloss one one one dash one three zero ".


" gloss one one one dash one three zero ".

Well now  In that case it 's people saying things like " one one one dash so - and - so " or they 're saying uh " two  I mean zero " whatever.


Well now  In that case it 's people saying things like " one one one dash so - and - so " or they 're saying uh " two  I mean zero " whatever.


Well now  In that case it 's people saying things like " one one one dash so - and - so " or they 're saying uh " two  I mean zero " whatever.

And in that case , it 's part of the numbers task , and it 's not gonna be included in the read digits anyway ,


Well now  In that case it 's people saying things like " one one one dash so - and - so " or they 're saying uh " two  I mean zero " whatever.

And in that case , it 's part of the numbers task , and it 's not gonna be included in the read digits anyway ,

So there will be a " NUMS " tag on those lines ?


And in that case , it 's part of the numbers task , and it 's not gonna be included in the read digits anyway ,

So there will be a " NUMS " tag on those lines ?


So there will be a " NUMS " tag on those lines ?


I 'm sorry I 'm  I didn't follow that last thing.


I 'm sorry I 'm  I didn't follow that last thing.

So , so gloss  in the same line that would have " gloss quote one one one dash one thirty " , you 'd have a gloss at the end of the line saying , uh , " curly bracket NUMS curly bracket ".


So , so gloss  in the same line that would have " gloss quote one one one dash one thirty " , you 'd have a gloss at the end of the line saying , uh , " curly bracket NUMS curly bracket ".

So if you  if you did a , uh , a " grep minus V nums "


So , so gloss  in the same line that would have " gloss quote one one one dash one thirty " , you 'd have a gloss at the end of the line saying , uh , " curly bracket NUMS curly bracket ".

So if you  if you did a , uh , a " grep minus V nums "

Oh , so you could do " grep minus V nums ".


So if you  if you did a , uh , a " grep minus V nums "

Oh , so you could do " grep minus V nums ".

and you get rid of anything that was read.


Oh , so you could do " grep minus V nums ".

and you get rid of anything that was read.


and you get rid of anything that was read.

So there wouldn't be something like i if somebody said something like , " Boy , I 'm really tired , OK. " and then started reading that would be on a separate line ?


So there wouldn't be something like i if somebody said something like , " Boy , I 'm really tired , OK. " and then started reading that would be on a separate line ?


So there wouldn't be something like i if somebody said something like , " Boy , I 'm really tired , OK. " and then started reading that would be on a separate line ?

OK great. Cuz I was doing the " grep minus V " quick and dirty and looked like that was working OK ,


OK great. Cuz I was doing the " grep minus V " quick and dirty and looked like that was working OK ,


Uh. Right , so agenda of the first meeting. Where we uh  We have twenty five minutes for this meeting.


Uh. Right , so agenda of the first meeting. Where we uh  We have twenty five minutes for this meeting.

We uh are to get acquainted. So does everyone want to say who they are ?  that seem sensible ?


Uh. Right , so agenda of the first meeting. Where we uh  We have twenty five minutes for this meeting.

We uh are to get acquainted. So does everyone want to say who they are ?  that seem sensible ?

Yeah. I'm Robin. I'm the Marketing Manager.


We uh are to get acquainted. So does everyone want to say who they are ?  that seem sensible ?

Yeah. I'm Robin. I'm the Marketing Manager.

I'm Louisa. I'm the User Interface Designer.


Yeah. I'm Robin. I'm the Marketing Manager.

I'm Louisa. I'm the User Interface Designer.

And I'm Alastair and I'm the project leader.  Alright okay , so tool training. Um.  Project plan. So does anyone have any uh thoughts as to the tool training that uh is required ?


I'm Louisa. I'm the User Interface Designer.

And I'm Alastair and I'm the project leader.  Alright okay , so tool training. Um.  Project plan. So does anyone have any uh thoughts as to the tool training that uh is required ?


And I'm Alastair and I'm the project leader.  Alright okay , so tool training. Um.  Project plan. So does anyone have any uh thoughts as to the tool training that uh is required ?

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by tool training.


I'm not exactly sure what you mean by tool training.

Oh I see , so we shouldn't really be  Oh right okay , so. So we have the project team , which is to um  basically to come up with a new r remote control device.


I'm not exactly sure what you mean by tool training.

Oh I see , so we shouldn't really be  Oh right okay , so. So we have the project team , which is to um  basically to come up with a new r remote control device.

Uh we have uh  the starting base was the original  which has been in existence now for a period of time. And uh our idea is to uh to make the new remote control device uh more user friendly than the previous one , and to  to be trendier , to be with it , and therefore to uh to get a bigger market share and bigger audience.


Oh I see , so we shouldn't really be  Oh right okay , so. So we have the project team , which is to um  basically to come up with a new r remote control device.

Uh we have uh  the starting base was the original  which has been in existence now for a period of time. And uh our idea is to uh to make the new remote control device uh more user friendly than the previous one , and to  to be trendier , to be with it , and therefore to uh to get a bigger market share and bigger audience.


Oh I see , so we shouldn't really be  Oh right okay , so. So we have the project team , which is to um  basically to come up with a new r remote control device.

Uh we have uh  the starting base was the original  which has been in existence now for a period of time. And uh our idea is to uh to make the new remote control device uh more user friendly than the previous one , and to  to be trendier , to be with it , and therefore to uh to get a bigger market share and bigger audience.

So um  method of doing this is uh split up as you can see into uh  the functional design , the conceptional design , and the detailed design. So um  in each of these uh phases we'll uh basically be handing over to yourselves , the designers of this uh this device.


Uh we have uh  the starting base was the original  which has been in existence now for a period of time. And uh our idea is to uh to make the new remote control device uh more user friendly than the previous one , and to  to be trendier , to be with it , and therefore to uh to get a bigger market share and bigger audience.

So um  method of doing this is uh split up as you can see into uh  the functional design , the conceptional design , and the detailed design. So um  in each of these uh phases we'll uh basically be handing over to yourselves , the designers of this uh this device.


So um  method of doing this is uh split up as you can see into uh  the functional design , the conceptional design , and the detailed design. So um  in each of these uh phases we'll uh basically be handing over to yourselves , the designers of this uh this device.

And uh having uh meetings so that we can uh during the course of the day um come up with a better better inst implement than we had before. And therefore um have a successful uh conclusion to the day. Um and you'll be doing uh various designs uh throughout the day to meet this end.


And uh having uh meetings so that we can uh during the course of the day um come up with a better better inst implement than we had before. And therefore um have a successful uh conclusion to the day. Um and you'll be doing uh various designs uh throughout the day to meet this end.

So we've got tool training. Try out whiteboard. Uh.  So we will um.


And uh having uh meetings so that we can uh during the course of the day um come up with a better better inst implement than we had before. And therefore um have a successful uh conclusion to the day. Um and you'll be doing uh various designs uh throughout the day to meet this end.

So we've got tool training. Try out whiteboard. Uh.  So we will um.

Right so everyone's to uh supposedly uh draw their favourite animal over on the white board over there. I guess this is uh make sure the whiteboard works. So uh I don't know who wishes to go first.


So we've got tool training. Try out whiteboard. Uh.  So we will um.

Right so everyone's to uh supposedly uh draw their favourite animal over on the white board over there. I guess this is uh make sure the whiteboard works. So uh I don't know who wishes to go first.


So we've got tool training. Try out whiteboard. Uh.  So we will um.

Right so everyone's to uh supposedly uh draw their favourite animal over on the white board over there. I guess this is uh make sure the whiteboard works. So uh I don't know who wishes to go first.

Do you wish to go f Have a first bash at uh whatever.