That that's a good one. Um uh page two. Remote controls are often lost somewhere in the room. That's exactly what we said about um maybe a home station for uh for it uh to uh recharge the batteries or something. Uh I thought mo maybe we could make a clap system , so when you  clap your hands it will beep or something. Uh you must find it uh quickly.

Uh. Maybe just a button on the home station. So remote control beeps when you click that button on the home station.

Okay , yeah. Yeah , we can uh combine that. Uh it takes too much time to learn how to use a r new remote control. Uh I think we must t uh take a look at this. It's only uh th thirty four of the  thirty four percent. But it's uh a tough one. Because if we make a ha whole new product , our own style , we we c uh this is so difficult , uh a difficulty I think. Uh next , remote controls are bad for R_S_I_. Yeah , but only if they zap a lot , and they watch over five hours T_V_ or something. I don't  We we haven't  Uh we mustn't look too much at uh the last point. Okay , last page.

Uh the last uh experiment uh was about gadgets , like uh speech recognition. We didn't uh think about that already. And uh an L_C_D_ on the remote control. We already thought about that. Um uh they finally had a conclusion that younger people um uh under an age of f forty five are uh more interested in new features. And but they're more critical. And older people uh want to spend uh more money.  But uh they uh they don't want to uh have a lot of uh new features , because they're in their old uh thinking way. And they want to keep the old uh things the old things.


Uh. Maybe just a button on the home station. So remote control beeps when you click that button on the home station.

Okay , yeah. Yeah , we can uh combine that. Uh it takes too much time to learn how to use a r new remote control. Uh I think we must t uh take a look at this. It's only uh th thirty four of the  thirty four percent. But it's uh a tough one. Because if we make a ha whole new product , our own style , we we c uh this is so difficult , uh a difficulty I think. Uh next , remote controls are bad for R_S_I_. Yeah , but only if they zap a lot , and they watch over five hours T_V_ or something. I don't  We we haven't  Uh we mustn't look too much at uh the last point. Okay , last page.

Uh the last uh experiment uh was about gadgets , like uh speech recognition. We didn't uh think about that already. And uh an L_C_D_ on the remote control. We already thought about that. Um uh they finally had a conclusion that younger people um uh under an age of f forty five are uh more interested in new features. And but they're more critical. And older people uh want to spend uh more money.  But uh they uh they don't want to uh have a lot of uh new features , because they're in their old uh thinking way. And they want to keep the old uh things the old things.

So we have uh a new uh age of forty plus.


Okay , yeah. Yeah , we can uh combine that. Uh it takes too much time to learn how to use a r new remote control. Uh I think we must t uh take a look at this. It's only uh th thirty four of the  thirty four percent. But it's uh a tough one. Because if we make a ha whole new product , our own style , we we c uh this is so difficult , uh a difficulty I think. Uh next , remote controls are bad for R_S_I_. Yeah , but only if they zap a lot , and they watch over five hours T_V_ or something. I don't  We we haven't  Uh we mustn't look too much at uh the last point. Okay , last page.

Uh the last uh experiment uh was about gadgets , like uh speech recognition. We didn't uh think about that already. And uh an L_C_D_ on the remote control. We already thought about that. Um uh they finally had a conclusion that younger people um uh under an age of f forty five are uh more interested in new features. And but they're more critical. And older people uh want to spend uh more money.  But uh they uh they don't want to uh have a lot of uh new features , because they're in their old uh thinking way. And they want to keep the old uh things the old things.

So we have uh a new uh age of forty plus.

But y But you but you already said that the uh company was about uh forty plus uh clients ?


Uh the last uh experiment uh was about gadgets , like uh speech recognition. We didn't uh think about that already. And uh an L_C_D_ on the remote control. We already thought about that. Um uh they finally had a conclusion that younger people um uh under an age of f forty five are uh more interested in new features. And but they're more critical. And older people uh want to spend uh more money.  But uh they uh they don't want to uh have a lot of uh new features , because they're in their old uh thinking way. And they want to keep the old uh things the old things.

So we have uh a new uh age of forty plus.

But y But you but you already said that the uh company was about uh forty plus uh clients ?

People. So yeah , so we just can skip the L_C_D_ r on the remote control ,


So we have uh a new uh age of forty plus.

But y But you but you already said that the uh company was about uh forty plus uh clients ?

People. So yeah , so we just can skip the L_C_D_ r on the remote control ,

I I think we can speak , uh we can skip speech recognition uh directly ,


But y But you but you already said that the uh company was about uh forty plus uh clients ?

People. So yeah , so we just can skip the L_C_D_ r on the remote control ,

I I think we can speak , uh we can skip speech recognition uh directly ,


People. So yeah , so we just can skip the L_C_D_ r on the remote control ,

I I think we can speak , uh we can skip speech recognition uh directly ,


I I think we can speak , uh we can skip speech recognition uh directly ,

because it's not reachable for twenty five Euros.


because it's not reachable for twenty five Euros.


because it's not reachable for twenty five Euros.

Um then  I have my personal uh preference. Okay , that's  not very good , because I thought about television , D_V_D_ player , stereo and V_C_R_. I had a question about. But it's already out of the question , this. Um my point is , well , I   If we ma uh make a a remote uh control for only television , I think it's hard to uh sell it for twenty five Euros. But it's the exercise.


Um then  I have my personal uh preference. Okay , that's  not very good , because I thought about television , D_V_D_ player , stereo and V_C_R_. I had a question about. But it's already out of the question , this. Um my point is , well , I   If we ma uh make a a remote uh control for only television , I think it's hard to uh sell it for twenty five Euros. But it's the exercise.

Because it's too expensive. Yeah , probably.


Um then  I have my personal uh preference. Okay , that's  not very good , because I thought about television , D_V_D_ player , stereo and V_C_R_. I had a question about. But it's already out of the question , this. Um my point is , well , I   If we ma uh make a a remote uh control for only television , I think it's hard to uh sell it for twenty five Euros. But it's the exercise.

Because it's too expensive. Yeah , probably.

Yeah , only only for television uh  On the market you can now buy for twenty Euros a remote control for everything. And we only make it for television , so we mi mm we m must made it make it uh very special.


Um then  I have my personal uh preference. Okay , that's  not very good , because I thought about television , D_V_D_ player , stereo and V_C_R_. I had a question about. But it's already out of the question , this. Um my point is , well , I   If we ma uh make a a remote uh control for only television , I think it's hard to uh sell it for twenty five Euros. But it's the exercise.

Because it's too expensive. Yeah , probably.

Yeah , only only for television uh  On the market you can now buy for twenty Euros a remote control for everything. And we only make it for television , so we mi mm we m must made it make it uh very special.

Yeah , but good usability , so you can use it.


Because it's too expensive. Yeah , probably.

Yeah , only only for television uh  On the market you can now buy for twenty Euros a remote control for everything. And we only make it for television , so we mi mm we m must made it make it uh very special.

Yeah , but good usability , so you can use it.

Okay , I told about the home station. Uh it must be simple , because uh our the the elderly people uh needs to use it. And I I found a motto. And we put the fashion in electronics. And that's uh the motto we are uh referenced to uh for our uh our style. We we have to make a  a new product. We have to be um  Yeah. One of a kind , I think.


Yeah , only only for television uh  On the market you can now buy for twenty Euros a remote control for everything. And we only make it for television , so we mi mm we m must made it make it uh very special.

Yeah , but good usability , so you can use it.

Okay , I told about the home station. Uh it must be simple , because uh our the the elderly people uh needs to use it. And I I found a motto. And we put the fashion in electronics. And that's uh the motto we are uh referenced to uh for our uh our style. We we have to make a  a new product. We have to be um  Yeah. One of a kind , I think.


Yeah , but good usability , so you can use it.

Okay , I told about the home station. Uh it must be simple , because uh our the the elderly people uh needs to use it. And I I found a motto. And we put the fashion in electronics. And that's uh the motto we are uh referenced to uh for our uh our style. We we have to make a  a new product. We have to be um  Yeah. One of a kind , I think.


Okay , I told about the home station. Uh it must be simple , because uh our the the elderly people uh needs to use it. And I I found a motto. And we put the fashion in electronics. And that's uh the motto we are uh referenced to uh for our uh our style. We we have to make a  a new product. We have to be um  Yeah. One of a kind , I think.

The company is about our uh th th their own fashion , their own style.


The company is about our uh th th their own fashion , their own style.


The company is about our uh th th their own fashion , their own style.

But old people are not looking for that.


But old people are not looking for that.


Yeah. I think the main thing is the usability , that's where we can uh make it a special product.


'cause there are already , like you said , so many controls out that support lot of stuff. But we have to make sure that we're better usability , and stand out by just looks of it. So make it just a different colour or different shape ,


Paul , you can do the next one if you want.


Paul , you can do the next one if you want.

You can ask some questions or something.


Paul , you can do the next one if you want.

You can ask some questions or something.

It's on the on the uh net net uh thing ,


You can ask some questions or something.

It's on the on the uh net net uh thing ,


It's on the on the uh net net uh thing ,


It's on the on the uh net net uh thing ,

Okay. Technical functions design. Okay , well , so we have s mm uh broad audience. Isn't  that isn't true anymore. But um we have elderly people , so we need to keep it simple. Uh the way I want to keep it simple is to use the sen uh standard. So standardised uh methods like uh on all uh remote controls. Not too full , like uh Jens already said , only ten percent is being used.


Okay. Technical functions design. Okay , well , so we have s mm uh broad audience. Isn't  that isn't true anymore. But um we have elderly people , so we need to keep it simple. Uh the way I want to keep it simple is to use the sen uh standard. So standardised uh methods like uh on all uh remote controls. Not too full , like uh Jens already said , only ten percent is being used.

So what do you think of only the numbers and the on-off button or


So what do you think of only the numbers and the on-off button or

But yes uh basic functions like numbers and that sort of stuff. Um so the options that we put on there should be easy to use , and 'cause you have more room then , and for elderly people big buttons. Uh an icon on it or text on it , so it's very clear what that buttons does. So it doesn't take much time to figure out uh how to use it. Um a way to find out uh what people use is maybe just to use uh questionnaires on the internet or just ask some random people , elderly people what they use , what they want on a remote control


But yes uh basic functions like numbers and that sort of stuff. Um so the options that we put on there should be easy to use , and 'cause you have more room then , and for elderly people big buttons. Uh an icon on it or text on it , so it's very clear what that buttons does. So it doesn't take much time to figure out uh how to use it. Um a way to find out uh what people use is maybe just to use uh questionnaires on the internet or just ask some random people , elderly people what they use , what they want on a remote control


But yes uh basic functions like numbers and that sort of stuff. Um so the options that we put on there should be easy to use , and 'cause you have more room then , and for elderly people big buttons. Uh an icon on it or text on it , so it's very clear what that buttons does. So it doesn't take much time to figure out uh how to use it. Um a way to find out uh what people use is maybe just to use uh questionnaires on the internet or just ask some random people , elderly people what they use , what they want on a remote control

to find out. But there is already in a one done. Of functions I could think of. Uh volume , channels , the the basic according to . Just one two three etcetera. Uh text service options. Um basic on-off. And I found an uh  Could I think of favourites ? I always look up the same um pages on text and always have to click the number.


to find out. But there is already in a one done. Of functions I could think of. Uh volume , channels , the the basic according to . Just one two three etcetera. Uh text service options. Um basic on-off. And I found an uh  Could I think of favourites ? I always look up the same um pages on text and always have to click the number.

But if you could make a new option , that you just have to press one button and you get on your


to find out. But there is already in a one done. Of functions I could think of. Uh volume , channels , the the basic according to . Just one two three etcetera. Uh text service options. Um basic on-off. And I found an uh  Could I think of favourites ? I always look up the same um pages on text and always have to click the number.

But if you could make a new option , that you just have to press one button and you get on your

Yeah , but then you have to remember what favourite is what channel. So you might as well remember the number. Or not ?


But if you could make a new option , that you just have to press one button and you get on your

Yeah , but then you have to remember what favourite is what channel. So you might as well remember the number. Or not ?


Yeah , but then you have to remember what favourite is what channel. So you might as well remember the number. Or not ?


it's  It was just a thought. So I'm , I u  I would find it handy , I think , when you just press one button and you get on six six six.


it's  It was just a thought. So I'm , I u  I would find it handy , I think , when you just press one button and you get on six six six.

Yeah , okay. But um how can you remember what uh channel uh connects to what favourite button ?


Yeah , okay. But um how can you remember what uh channel uh connects to what favourite button ?

what I was reading on the page. Uh a remote control just sends commands , basics commands to uh the television. So switch to channel six.


what I was reading on the page. Uh a remote control just sends commands , basics commands to uh the television. So switch to channel six.


what I was reading on the page. Uh a remote control just sends commands , basics commands to uh the television. So switch to channel six.

So uh button six says says six. And if you make favourites , it can say six six six in a row. Just numbers. That can be in the in the


what I was reading on the page. Uh a remote control just sends commands , basics commands to uh the television. So switch to channel six.

So uh button six says says six. And if you make favourites , it can say six six six in a row. Just numbers. That can be in the in the

Yeah okay. But uh uh for a user to to remember , if I press that button it goes to that channel.


So uh button six says says six. And if you make favourites , it can say six six six in a row. Just numbers. That can be in the in the

Yeah okay. But uh uh for a user to to remember , if I press that button it goes to that channel.


So uh button six says says six. And if you make favourites , it can say six six six in a row. Just numbers. That can be in the in the

Yeah okay. But uh uh for a user to to remember , if I press that button it goes to that channel.

Yeah , but isn't it hard to remember ? Like favourite one and


Yeah okay. But uh uh for a user to to remember , if I press that button it goes to that channel.

Yeah , but isn't it hard to remember ? Like favourite one and


Yeah , but isn't it hard to remember ? Like favourite one and


Yeah , but isn't it hard to remember ? Like favourite one and

If I use my telephone , I never use those buttons to to to call sh Never.


If I use my telephone , I never use those buttons to to to call sh Never.


They don't like new features. So maybe not.


They don't like new features. So maybe not.

Um well play , pause. I dunno if that's usable


They don't like new features. So maybe not.

Um well play , pause. I dunno if that's usable

It's not , it's still not  It's not anymore n uh


Um well play , pause. I dunno if that's usable

It's not , it's still not  It's not anymore n uh


Um well play , pause. I dunno if that's usable

It's not , it's still not  It's not anymore n uh

Right , on off.  I dunno , miss  Did I miss any other buttons , basic buttons ? I couldn't think of any other , 'specially not for T_V_.


It's not , it's still not  It's not anymore n uh

Right , on off.  I dunno , miss  Did I miss any other buttons , basic buttons ? I couldn't think of any other , 'specially not for T_V_.


Right , on off.  I dunno , miss  Did I miss any other buttons , basic buttons ? I couldn't think of any other , 'specially not for T_V_.

Just on the front as well. No , that's the only th the only thing you need.


Just on the front as well. No , that's the only th the only thing you need.

Uh uh the p uh next and previous. Previous I know , but next channel ?


Just on the front as well. No , that's the only th the only thing you need.

Uh uh the p uh next and previous. Previous I know , but next channel ?

Just the channel um uh  What I mean is uh


Uh uh the p uh next and previous. Previous I know , but next channel ?

Just the channel um uh  What I mean is uh


Just the channel um uh  What I mean is uh


But uh um there's also a button to uh go to the channel you've been before. Like a web browser back button.


I know what it is , but I think it's all too difficult for old people.


I know what it is , but I think it's all too difficult for old people.

I don't think you use that. Y only when you want to go to


I don't think you use that. Y only when you want to go to


I don't think you use that. Y only when you want to go to

Yeah , just use uh when you wanna switch between channels all the time.


I don't think you use that. Y only when you want to go to

Yeah , just use uh when you wanna switch between channels all the time.

And how do you want to uh do it , like if you have a channel above ten ?


Yeah , just use uh when you wanna switch between channels all the time.

And how do you want to uh do it , like if you have a channel above ten ?


And how do you want to uh do it , like if you have a channel above ten ?

Yeah , I think um f Especially for older peo elderly people use standard buttons. So you have that uh


Yeah , I think um f Especially for older peo elderly people use standard buttons. So you have that uh


Yeah , I think um f Especially for older peo elderly people use standard buttons. So you have that uh

Yeah , the ten plus button. Just uh one one pressing , or quickly after each other.


Yeah , the ten plus button. Just uh one one pressing , or quickly after each other.

To just keep it simple and standard uh features.


Yeah , the ten plus button. Just uh one one pressing , or quickly after each other.

To just keep it simple and standard uh features.

Yeah , w wouldn't it be a problem to uh  Because you h have to be fast enough. Maybe the elderly people


To just keep it simple and standard uh features.

Yeah , w wouldn't it be a problem to uh  Because you h have to be fast enough. Maybe the elderly people


Yeah , w wouldn't it be a problem to uh  Because you h have to be fast enough. Maybe the elderly people

But I think that's in the T_V_ as well. That's how the uh the T_V_ T_V_ handles it. But you can have a button that says um two two st two stripes.


But I think that's in the T_V_ as well. That's how the uh the T_V_ T_V_ handles it. But you can have a button that says um two two st two stripes.


But I think that's in the T_V_ as well. That's how the uh the T_V_ T_V_ handles it. But you can have a button that says um two two st two stripes.

So you have uh like a five seconds period to press those two buttons.


So you have uh like a five seconds period to press those two buttons.


So you have uh like a five seconds period to press those two buttons.

It's what Paul says. It's not a remote control uh uh that um uh makes the T_V_ um do one two. It's the T_V_ who depends that it must be two seconds or three seconds or one second that you must uh type one or two.


It's what Paul says. It's not a remote control uh uh that um uh makes the T_V_ um do one two. It's the T_V_ who depends that it must be two seconds or three seconds or one second that you must uh type one or two.

So if you have a universal T_V_ controller , you needed one button that has two uh stripes.


So if you have a universal T_V_ controller , you needed one button that has two uh stripes.

So we have a a period of , I dunno , five seconds to press those buttons , and that  And not for elderly people to look , one two uh press and aim and


So we have a a period of , I dunno , five seconds to press those buttons , and that  And not for elderly people to look , one two uh press and aim and

But do we still need a two level remote control ? Because if we only have that l only f


But do we still need a two level remote control ? Because if we only have that l only f


Most things in modern T_V_s are also on the menu.


Most things in modern T_V_s are also on the menu.

So you also need a menu button. And then uh navigation uh  But we can integrate that with volume and previous and next ,


So you also need a menu button. And then uh navigation uh  But we can integrate that with volume and previous and next ,


So you also need a menu button. And then uh navigation uh  But we can integrate that with volume and previous and next ,

I I think you ha really have to divide between functions you often use , like um uh m maybe uh switch channels and uh volume and k that kind of things , and uh the menu button.


I I think you ha really have to divide between functions you often use , like um uh m maybe uh switch channels and uh volume and k that kind of things , and uh the menu button.


I I think you ha really have to divide between functions you often use , like um uh m maybe uh switch channels and uh volume and k that kind of things , and uh the menu button.

Because you n almost never use menu button.


Because you n almost never use menu button.


Maybe it's still still a good idea , I'm not sure. You'll also have to use a mute button to to


I don't know where where you have to put it.


I don't know where where you have to put it.

that's that's  I think that's the layers that produce. Now I have to figure out what's uh what to put on. What we're gonna use.


that's that's  I think that's the layers that produce. Now I have to figure out what's uh what to put on. What we're gonna use.


Okay , uh now my personal preferences. Uh using the standards , basic  Um I think that we should stand out uh unique , being unique with the design. So we have to , I dunno , uh make a different shape than usual. So when you are in the shop and you see our T_V_ controller hanging , that it stands out. Not just in in the row when you see all the same uh remote controls.


Okay , uh now my personal preferences. Uh using the standards , basic  Um I think that we should stand out uh unique , being unique with the design. So we have to , I dunno , uh make a different shape than usual. So when you are in the shop and you see our T_V_ controller hanging , that it stands out. Not just in in the row when you see all the same uh remote controls.

Yeah. Does it have to be  Uh it has to be uh with different colours


Yeah. Does it have to be  Uh it has to be uh with different colours

Maybe we can give it out in different colours. You can choose blue or yellow


Maybe we can give it out in different colours. You can choose blue or yellow


That's fa That's fancy. That's uh fashion.


That's fa That's fancy. That's uh fashion.

But it looks cheap as well , because it's a small thing. It's only twenty five Euros. It looks very cheap if you make it


That's fa That's fancy. That's uh fashion.

But it looks cheap as well , because it's a small thing. It's only twenty five Euros. It looks very cheap if you make it

Well , maybe you can look at uh mobile phones.


But it looks cheap as well , because it's a small thing. It's only twenty five Euros. It looks very cheap if you make it

Well , maybe you can look at uh mobile phones.


Well , maybe you can look at uh mobile phones.


Yeah , we have to look at mobile phones , that's right. Just


Yeah , we have to look at mobile phones , that's right. Just

And well basically are the same , just a bit smaller. You think you can't make a T_V_ controller too small , 'cause then you will always lo always lose it.


And well basically are the same , just a bit smaller. You think you can't make a T_V_ controller too small , 'cause then you will always lo always lose it.


And well basically are the same , just a bit smaller. You think you can't make a T_V_ controller too small , 'cause then you will always lo always lose it.

But uh well , I think that's a good example.


But uh well , I think that's a good example.


But uh well , I think that's a good example.

we hurry up a bit , because otherwise we won't make it.


we hurry up a bit , because otherwise we won't make it.


Yeah , I I'm finished. I think we discussed everything.


Yeah , I I'm finished. I think we discussed everything.

Okay. Well , the working design. The method I used is uh search the web. Just the web page provided. Um  Basically I'm I'm not very technical uh uh educated , but uh I could figure it out. Um basically what happens is you press a button , uh then a circuit gets closed by pressing the button , uh like a switch. And by closing that certain circuit , the chip knows uh what bu button is pressed. So like you press a one , that circuit is closed and uh  Then the chip produces a pattern. Like a Morse code to uh  And and sends that to the uh L_E_D_. That's the uh light emitting diode , I think. Um and the light emitting diode is uh producing infrared light. That's un uh invisible to the human eye. And uh transmit that uh to the T_V_. However it has also an uh a visible uh diode that's uh blinking red if you look in it. And that's uh another diode , I believe.


Yeah , I I'm finished. I think we discussed everything.

Okay. Well , the working design. The method I used is uh search the web. Just the web page provided. Um  Basically I'm I'm not very technical uh uh educated , but uh I could figure it out. Um basically what happens is you press a button , uh then a circuit gets closed by pressing the button , uh like a switch. And by closing that certain circuit , the chip knows uh what bu button is pressed. So like you press a one , that circuit is closed and uh  Then the chip produces a pattern. Like a Morse code to uh  And and sends that to the uh L_E_D_. That's the uh light emitting diode , I think. Um and the light emitting diode is uh producing infrared light. That's un uh invisible to the human eye. And uh transmit that uh to the T_V_. However it has also an uh a visible uh diode that's uh blinking red if you look in it. And that's uh another diode , I believe.

Because infrared is not visible. So that's er uh do two different things


Okay. Well , the working design. The method I used is uh search the web. Just the web page provided. Um  Basically I'm I'm not very technical uh uh educated , but uh I could figure it out. Um basically what happens is you press a button , uh then a circuit gets closed by pressing the button , uh like a switch. And by closing that certain circuit , the chip knows uh what bu button is pressed. So like you press a one , that circuit is closed and uh  Then the chip produces a pattern. Like a Morse code to uh  And and sends that to the uh L_E_D_. That's the uh light emitting diode , I think. Um and the light emitting diode is uh producing infrared light. That's un uh invisible to the human eye. And uh transmit that uh to the T_V_. However it has also an uh a visible uh diode that's uh blinking red if you look in it. And that's uh another diode , I believe.

Because infrared is not visible. So that's er uh do two different things

So we we also have to have a LED li LED light on it ?


Because infrared is not visible. So that's er uh do two different things

So we we also have to have a LED li LED light on it ?


So we we also have to have a LED li LED light on it ?


Ain't it just to to indicate that it's transmitting ?


because it's  If you use it , it's green or the red , it's r green.


because it's  If you use it , it's green or the red , it's r green.

I I think it's in the case that it's active. It's not uh


I I think it's in the case that it's active. It's not uh


Red's l shows up like something's wrong ,


Red's l shows up like something's wrong ,

and green is like it's okay , you press the button.


and green is like it's okay , you press the button.


Ma on on most on most uh uh remote controls it's red.


we don't have to make it red. Maybe integrate it in the design as well.


we don't have to make it red. Maybe integrate it in the design as well.

You have to  The whole the whole uh remote control becomes uh green if you press the buttons. Uh that's cool.


we don't have to make it red. Maybe integrate it in the design as well.

You have to  The whole the whole uh remote control becomes uh green if you press the buttons. Uh that's cool.

I I think uh the batteries will be uh  a little


You have to  The whole the whole uh remote control becomes uh green if you press the buttons. Uh that's cool.

I I think uh the batteries will be uh  a little


I I think uh the batteries will be uh  a little


Yeah. That it's working. That it's not not the batteries are low.


Yeah , I know. Just to indicate it's working.


Yeah , I know. Just to indicate it's working.

And uh the receptor in the T_V_ senses the pattern. So we have to understand what patterns are used to , you know , to make it universal. So that it can be used with all the T_V_s. We have to really understand what patterns are used , so we can uh o On the  Otherwise it won't work.


Yeah , I know. Just to indicate it's working.

And uh the receptor in the T_V_ senses the pattern. So we have to understand what patterns are used to , you know , to make it universal. So that it can be used with all the T_V_s. We have to really understand what patterns are used , so we can uh o On the  Otherwise it won't work.

So we have to uh make buttons for that as well , to make it uh


And uh the receptor in the T_V_ senses the pattern. So we have to understand what patterns are used to , you know , to make it universal. So that it can be used with all the T_V_s. We have to really understand what patterns are used , so we can uh o On the  Otherwise it won't work.

So we have to uh make buttons for that as well , to make it uh

No. I I uh  The chip um uh is producing the pattern. So we have to make a chip that produces patterns to , y you know , to


So we have to uh make buttons for that as well , to make it uh

No. I I uh  The chip um uh is producing the pattern. So we have to make a chip that produces patterns to , y you know , to


No. I I uh  The chip um uh is producing the pattern. So we have to make a chip that produces patterns to , y you know , to

An automatically search function for each television , or something.


An automatically search function for each television , or something.

That are working. Yeah , or  I dunno how it's uh exactly how it works. It wasn't explained there.


An automatically search function for each television , or something.

That are working. Yeah , or  I dunno how it's uh exactly how it works. It wasn't explained there.

Well , I I use a universal uh remote control ,


That are working. Yeah , or  I dunno how it's uh exactly how it works. It wasn't explained there.

Well , I I use a universal uh remote control ,

and  list of all the T_V_s you have , etcetera. And you have to put in a number , so it works on your T_V_.


Well , I I use a universal uh remote control ,

and  list of all the T_V_s you have , etcetera. And you have to put in a number , so it works on your T_V_.


and  list of all the T_V_s you have , etcetera. And you have to put in a number , so it works on your T_V_.


and  list of all the T_V_s you have , etcetera. And you have to put in a number , so it works on your T_V_.

And the modern one you you uh you type uh search , and the LED began to blink blink blink. And uh uh uh after uh a short time the television turns off. And then you know , oh it it's the right one. And you can stop it ,


And the modern one you you uh you type uh search , and the LED began to blink blink blink. And uh uh uh after uh a short time the television turns off. And then you know , oh it it's the right one. And you can stop it ,


And the modern one you you uh you type uh search , and the LED began to blink blink blink. And uh uh uh after uh a short time the television turns off. And then you know , oh it it's the right one. And you can stop it ,

and then it's okay. So you don't have to search for your television or your code.


and then it's okay. So you don't have to search for your television or your code.


So it uh  We have to make a a s a bit more intelligent chip than the standard one. Because you have to


I just say  Can you s just say it again , because I was just looking  There's just a short


I just say  Can you s just say it again , because I was just looking  There's just a short

That's uh when the circuit is closed , it produces the pattern.


That's uh when the circuit is closed , it produces the pattern.


That's uh when the circuit is closed , it produces the pattern.

But uh ma basically for uh brands of T_V_ these patterns are different. So like when you press a one on one T_V_ it go go to one. And on the other T_V_ it won't work , basically. So uh basically what you have to do is uh get these patterns right.


But uh ma basically for uh brands of T_V_ these patterns are different. So like when you press a one on one T_V_ it go go to one. And on the other T_V_ it won't work , basically. So uh basically what you have to do is uh get these patterns right.

And uh by d uh that can be done by uh just uh cha yeah , changing this pattern all the time.


And uh by d uh that can be done by uh just uh cha yeah , changing this pattern all the time.

And um  What he's doing when he's configuring this pattern , this chip , uh is trying to switch off the television. And when it's uh switched off , you can push a button as uh it's working now , so  And then he saves that setting


And um  What he's doing when he's configuring this pattern , this chip , uh is trying to switch off the television. And when it's uh switched off , you can push a button as uh it's working now , so  And then he saves that setting


Yeah , that's a bit technical , and I hadn't  I w I was a little short on time. Um but I think I understand it. Um the energy source is uh the battery , basically.


Yeah , that's a bit technical , and I hadn't  I w I was a little short on time. Um but I think I understand it. Um the energy source is uh the battery , basically.

Um that's connecting to all the components.


Yeah , that's a bit technical , and I hadn't  I w I was a little short on time. Um but I think I understand it. Um the energy source is uh the battery , basically.

Um that's connecting to all the components.

Because it has to be fed with energy. Okay. Uh the subcomponent is uh w I I think it is uh the button pressed. So basically when you press a button , a switch get closed. Um that's connecting to a chip. So the chip knows what button you pressed. And the chip sends out uh the pattern to the infrared bulb. I didn didn't put the description by this one. Th this is a normal bulb. So the normal flashing light.


Um that's connecting to all the components.

Because it has to be fed with energy. Okay. Uh the subcomponent is uh w I I think it is uh the button pressed. So basically when you press a button , a switch get closed. Um that's connecting to a chip. So the chip knows what button you pressed. And the chip sends out uh the pattern to the infrared bulb. I didn didn't put the description by this one. Th this is a normal bulb. So the normal flashing light.


Because it has to be fed with energy. Okay. Uh the subcomponent is uh w I I think it is uh the button pressed. So basically when you press a button , a switch get closed. Um that's connecting to a chip. So the chip knows what button you pressed. And the chip sends out uh the pattern to the infrared bulb. I didn didn't put the description by this one. Th this is a normal bulb. So the normal flashing light.

But this one is producing infrared light


But this one is producing infrared light


But this one is producing infrared light

that's invisible. And this one is producing normal light.


But this one is producing infrared light

that's invisible. And this one is producing normal light.

So we can make the normal one also a normal light. Not a LED light , but as a normal one. To flash up your


that's invisible. And this one is producing normal light.

So we can make the normal one also a normal light. Not a LED light , but as a normal one. To flash up your


that's invisible. And this one is producing normal light.

So we can make the normal one also a normal light. Not a LED light , but as a normal one. To flash up your

Uh if you if you use the buttons , uh both of them works. But one you can't see and one indicates that you use a button.


So we can make the normal one also a normal light. Not a LED light , but as a normal one. To flash up your

Uh if you if you use the buttons , uh both of them works. But one you can't see and one indicates that you use a button.


Uh if you if you use the buttons , uh both of them works. But one you can't see and one indicates that you use a button.

Yeah , presu Yeah yeah yeah. Because uh when you button press a button and it doesn't work , it can  Basically if the battery is low , it won't work.


Yeah , presu Yeah yeah yeah. Because uh when you button press a button and it doesn't work , it can  Basically if the battery is low , it won't work.

Maybe you have to uh put uh a small light around the button you push. So you see green if you push that button.


Maybe you have to uh put uh a small light around the button you push. So you see green if you push that button.

Mm I think it's unnecessary power uh you use then.


Maybe you have to uh put uh a small light around the button you push. So you see green if you push that button.

Mm I think it's unnecessary power uh you use then.

Yeah , but if you u if you do that , you know that you're uh sending a signal.


Mm I think it's unnecessary power uh you use then.

Yeah , but if you u if you do that , you know that you're uh sending a signal.


Yeah , but if you u if you do that , you know that you're uh sending a signal.

And it's  you also know which button you p


And it's  you also know which button you p

But then have to be on the in the all uh remote control have to be LEDs.


But then have to be on the in the all uh remote control have to be LEDs.

But does it make any difference for the energy you use ? You got still one LED.


But does it make any difference for the energy you use ? You got still one LED.

No I don't think so , but  Yeah , i it it will look different , and I think we need to find something else.


No I don't think so , but  Yeah , i it it will look different , and I think we need to find something else.


'Cause otherwise we will just make another standard , and our uh motto also is


'Cause otherwise we will just make another standard , and our uh motto also is

Yeah , w around the buttons , or in the buttons even.


Yeah , w around the buttons , or in the buttons even.


Yeah , w around the buttons , or in the buttons even.

Yeah , then then won't  Then you won't see it.


Yeah , then then won't  Then you won't see it.

n n Yeah. You have your finger over the button. So you can see


Yeah , then then won't  Then you won't see it.

n n Yeah. You have your finger over the button. So you can see

Yeah. Or or m maybe on top of the  A green light is flashing


n n Yeah. You have your finger over the button. So you can see

Yeah. Or or m maybe on top of the  A green light is flashing


Yeah. Or or m maybe on top of the  A green light is flashing


The same as a telephone , or a mobile phone , or what do you mean ?


It lights up. Everything lights up. That's a good idea.


It lights up. Everything lights up. That's a good idea.

everything lights up. Why ain't that on a remote control ?


It lights up. Everything lights up. That's a good idea.

everything lights up. Why ain't that on a remote control ?

It it only takes a l a little energy and it's not that much.


everything lights up. Why ain't that on a remote control ?

It it only takes a l a little energy and it's not that much.

Yeah , if uh a mobile phone a phone can do it , it's


It it only takes a l a little energy and it's not that much.

Yeah , if uh a mobile phone a phone can do it , it's


Yeah , if uh a mobile phone a phone can do it , it's


Maybe that's a good idea for old people as well.


Maybe that's a good idea for old people as well.

Yeah , i if you're in the dark , you can't see the remote.


Maybe that's a good idea for old people as well.

Yeah , i if you're in the dark , you can't see the remote.

It's only few LEDs. Only four or something. Four LED.


Yeah , i if you're in the dark , you can't see the remote.

It's only few LEDs. Only four or something. Four LED.


It's only few LEDs. Only four or something. Four LED.

No , I dunno. But if we use a battery station , which I think we will use


No , I dunno. But if we use a battery station , which I think we will use


Maybe what Paul said , uh under the  on the on the home station , uh a button to uh to call your uh remote control , that it beeps.


Maybe what Paul said , uh under the  on the on the home station , uh a button to uh to call your uh remote control , that it beeps.

Yeah , and then you  Okay , yeah. But you have to make a sound device in it then.


Yeah , and then you  Okay , yeah. But you have to make a sound device in it then.


Yeah. B maybe it's that that's a little too hard to make. Especially for that kind of money. Because it's i it has to be


Yeah. B maybe it's that that's a little too hard to make. Especially for that kind of money. Because it's i it has to be

Mm uh , twenty five Euros , I think we can make it.


Yeah. B maybe it's that that's a little too hard to make. Especially for that kind of money. Because it's i it has to be

Mm uh , twenty five Euros , I think we can make it.

Yeah. Production cost is uh t uh twelve and a half.


Mm uh , twenty five Euros , I think we can make it.

Yeah. Production cost is uh t uh twelve and a half.

Bec Twelve and a half , okay. But but we only have to make it for television , and um we must have something special.


Yeah. Production cost is uh t uh twelve and a half.

Bec Twelve and a half , okay. But but we only have to make it for television , and um we must have something special.


Yeah. Production cost is uh t uh twelve and a half.

Bec Twelve and a half , okay. But but we only have to make it for television , and um we must have something special.

I think uh you also have uh  remote controls with a lot of options.


Bec Twelve and a half , okay. But but we only have to make it for television , and um we must have something special.

I think uh you also have uh  remote controls with a lot of options.


I think uh you also have uh  remote controls with a lot of options.

But we lose about ninety percent of those options. So I think you can uh


I think uh you also have uh  remote controls with a lot of options.

But we lose about ninety percent of those options. So I think you can uh

Uh. We have to give our customers some extras.


But we lose about ninety percent of those options. So I think you can uh

Uh. We have to give our customers some extras.

Yeah. I think we will save money with that.


Uh. We have to give our customers some extras.

Yeah. I think we will save money with that.


Yeah. I think we will save money with that.

Yeah , the the personal preference , I didn't fill it out.


Yeah , the the personal preference , I didn't fill it out.


But um  Basically what we could do too is uh have a Bluetooth uh integration.


But um  Basically what we could do too is uh have a Bluetooth uh integration.

Yeah , I just want to talk some  about some more. So maybe you have to  Yeah ?


Yeah , I just want to talk some  about some more. So maybe you have to  Yeah ?


So this  Oh , sorry. Wh what's that ? So uh  Oh , sorry. We have some new uh project requirements. We have to have a look what they are. They're still in um  Uh teletext has become outdated since the popularity of internet. So a teletext option , maybe we have to skip that one. I'm not sure. I don't think so ,


So this  Oh , sorry. Wh what's that ? So uh  Oh , sorry. We have some new uh project requirements. We have to have a look what they are. They're still in um  Uh teletext has become outdated since the popularity of internet. So a teletext option , maybe we have to skip that one. I'm not sure. I don't think so ,

and I I think a lot of people use uh teletext , still use.


and I I think a lot of people use uh teletext , still use.


and I I think a lot of people use uh teletext , still use.

Yeah , and it's it's on your comp it's on your television. It's only one button. So I don't think it is


Yeah , and it's it's on your comp it's on your television. It's only one button. So I don't think it is


Yeah , that's uh what I told you. The remote control should only be used for a television. So that's maybe easier. And um the the forty plus people , I already told you. Oh no , sorry. Oh , this is a problem. Oh sorry about that. The new product should reach a new market with customers are the younger than forty. So it should be flashy or just more interesting.


I'm sorry about that. I just I just didn't read it well.


I'm sorry about that. I just I just didn't read it well.

So does it make some decision about that ?


So does it make some decision about that ?


Well yeah , then we have to make some nice features. I think uh the thing in the dark is a good way ,


Well yeah , then we have to make some nice features. I think uh the thing in the dark is a good way ,

to make it more like a mobile phone. More modern.


to make it more like a mobile phone. More modern.


L_C_D_ doesn't work for uh twelve and a half Euros I think.


L_C_D_ doesn't work for uh twelve and a half Euros I think.

And I d I don't don't think it's very usable in a remote control , especially when you only have T_V_ functions on it.


And I d I don't don't think it's very usable in a remote control , especially when you only have T_V_ functions on it.


Mm ah  I I don't y you'll use it often , because you can see on the television wh what channel you


Mm ah  I I don't y you'll use it often , because you can see on the television wh what channel you

Oh , I'm watching uh the channel one. Okay.  No , it's not


Oh , I'm watching uh the channel one. Okay.  No , it's not

So , but uh  Yeah. What other features can we put in ?


So , but uh  Yeah. What other features can we put in ?

Yeah. I think you you have to make it a bit flashy and and popular. And uh then the usability is not that required , because the  Like in the mobile phones , usability is not that good I think.


So , but uh  Yeah. What other features can we put in ?

Yeah. I think you you have to make it a bit flashy and and popular. And uh then the usability is not that required , because the  Like in the mobile phones , usability is not that good I think.

But uh some of you had uh something to read about um  uh speech uh recognition. About you said one and the television turns on one. Is that reachable maybe ?


Yeah. I think you you have to make it a bit flashy and and popular. And uh then the usability is not that required , because the  Like in the mobile phones , usability is not that good I think.

But uh some of you had uh something to read about um  uh speech uh recognition. About you said one and the television turns on one. Is that reachable maybe ?


But uh some of you had uh something to read about um  uh speech uh recognition. About you said one and the television turns on one. Is that reachable maybe ?


Only the numbers , only numbers. Uh furthermore nothing. But only the numbers , one to twenty or something.


Only the numbers , only numbers. Uh furthermore nothing. But only the numbers , one to twenty or something.

Yeah , maybe we have to integrate that as well. If it's possible. But


Yeah , maybe we have to integrate that as well. If it's possible. But


Yeah , maybe we have to integrate that as well. If it's possible. But

I don't think it's very expensive actually.


I don't think it's very expensive actually.


But it has to work. And and and does it have to work only in English , or in Dutch too or


Uh only in English. Only in English I think.


Uh only in English. Only in English I think.

What  But uh I dunno how that works then. Uh does your uh  Does it lie in the centre of the room and can you scream from wherever


Uh only in English. Only in English I think.

What  But uh I dunno how that works then. Uh does your uh  Does it lie in the centre of the room and can you scream from wherever

Yeah , it's probably my job to figure that out , but


What  But uh I dunno how that works then. Uh does your uh  Does it lie in the centre of the room and can you scream from wherever

Yeah , it's probably my job to figure that out , but

No , that  Yeah , then th we have to think about that. But do  do we do it ?


Yeah , it's probably my job to figure that out , but

No , that  Yeah , then th we have to think about that. But do  do we do it ?


No , that  Yeah , then th we have to think about that. But do  do we do it ?


No , that  Yeah , then th we have to think about that. But do  do we do it ?

I dunno. So , is it very usable ? That's what I'm looking at.


I dunno. So , is it very usable ? That's what I'm looking at.

And and do you have to speak in in like in a thing


And and do you have to speak in in like in a thing

Maybe maybe it's too hard to uh to realise that.


Maybe maybe it's too hard to uh to realise that.


Maybe maybe it's too hard to uh to realise that.

It  We have short time to to put it on the market ,


It  We have short time to to put it on the market ,

so that  We have to do a lot of testing before we can do that.


so that  We have to do a lot of testing before we can do that.


We make uh make uh , we can make th th the new remote control very flashy.


We make uh make uh , we can make th th the new remote control very flashy.

In uh indeed uh the languages are a difficult thing. Uh because we we have a lot of languages.


In uh indeed uh the languages are a difficult thing. Uh because we we have a lot of languages.


In uh indeed uh the languages are a difficult thing. Uh because we we have a lot of languages.

I d Yeah. I don't think it's uh useful enough to take the effort to design something with uh speech recognition.


I d Yeah. I don't think it's uh useful enough to take the effort to design something with uh speech recognition.


I d Yeah. I don't think it's uh useful enough to take the effort to design something with uh speech recognition.

Yeah , and also if if you have a good speech uh speech recognition , you can just throw the uh


Yeah , and also if if you have a good speech uh speech recognition , you can just throw the uh

Yeah. A uh someone says that uh give me one Coke , and the T_V_ turns uh to one.


Yeah , and also if if you have a good speech uh speech recognition , you can just throw the uh

Yeah. A uh someone says that uh give me one Coke , and the T_V_ turns uh to one.

the remote away. Mm. Hmm. Mm. Yeah , okay.


Yeah. A uh someone says that uh give me one Coke , and the T_V_ turns uh to one.

the remote away. Mm. Hmm. Mm. Yeah , okay.


the remote away. Mm. Hmm. Mm. Yeah , okay.


that's the right command. And then you have to say uh T_V_ channel one , or something. Not just one ,


that's the right command. And then you have to say uh T_V_ channel one , or something. Not just one ,

Okay , but th that becomes your f Uh uh because that's very hard for uh speech recognition.


Okay , but th that becomes your f Uh uh because that's very hard for uh speech recognition.

Well I dunno. But I don't think , it just ain't useful enough.


Well I dunno. But I don't think , it just ain't useful enough.


you can see on the uh  So we have to know what we're going to put on. Do we , do we make uh a light under the under the n under the numbers and everything ? Do


you can see on the uh  So we have to know what we're going to put on. Do we , do we make uh a light under the under the n under the numbers and everything ? Do

If you press something , it lights up for a few seconds , so you can see what other but buttons there are , okay ?


If you press something , it lights up for a few seconds , so you can see what other but buttons there are , okay ?


Also the one in the dark. So uh  It lights up when it's dark ?


Also the one in the dark. So uh  It lights up when it's dark ?

Yeah , but it's  Oh th I thought would , that that would be the same.


Also the one in the dark. So uh  It lights up when it's dark ?

Yeah , but it's  Oh th I thought would , that that would be the same.

If you push something , it it all lights up.


Yeah , but it's  Oh th I thought would , that that would be the same.

If you push something , it it all lights up.


If you push something , it it all lights up.


It uh uh it have to work only when you use it.


No , if you use one button , it must turn uh on for twenty seconds , and then it must turn off.


No , if you use one button , it must turn uh on for twenty seconds , and then it must turn off.

Yeah , that's right. You have to  Yeah , that's right. That's what I said. It's the same as the telephone. Yeah.


Yeah , that's right. You have to  Yeah , that's right. That's what I said. It's the same as the telephone. Yeah.

And do we use a a  Uh what's it called ? Like a iMac ,  if you can look through it. Or just a normal remote control.


Yeah , that's right. You have to  Yeah , that's right. That's what I said. It's the same as the telephone. Yeah.

And do we use a a  Uh what's it called ? Like a iMac ,  if you can look through it. Or just a normal remote control.

Maybe just as an option , w like we discussed , like iPod.


And do we use a a  Uh what's it called ? Like a iMac ,  if you can look through it. Or just a normal remote control.

Maybe just as an option , w like we discussed , like iPod.


And do we use a a  Uh what's it called ? Like a iMac ,  if you can look through it. Or just a normal remote control.

Maybe just as an option , w like we discussed , like iPod.

Different colours , uh maybe use even different fonts.


Maybe just as an option , w like we discussed , like iPod.

Different colours , uh maybe use even different fonts.


Different colours , uh maybe use even different fonts.


so y you just make it th through  You look through it ?


so y you just make it th through  You look through it ?

Okay. And so the buttons we have , this is , yeah , this is normal. We put in the the simple buttons on the top ,


Okay. And so the buttons we have , this is , yeah , this is normal. We put in the the simple buttons on the top ,


Okay. And so the buttons we have , this is , yeah , this is normal. We put in the the simple buttons on the top ,

and probably the the the more complicated buttons down there.


and probably the the the more complicated buttons down there.

But you have  You had a lot of different buttons.


and probably the the the more complicated buttons down there.

But you have  You had a lot of different buttons.

we but we don't  We don't really have any complicated buttons.


But you have  You had a lot of different buttons.

we but we don't  We don't really have any complicated buttons.


But you have  You had a lot of different buttons.

we but we don't  We don't really have any complicated buttons.

Yeah , maybe you have you have to  Uh when you use teletec teletext , you can press a green or a red button to go to the next one , or to go to the previous one.


we but we don't  We don't really have any complicated buttons.

Yeah , maybe you have you have to  Uh when you use teletec teletext , you can press a green or a red button to go to the next one , or to go to the previous one.

Yeah okay , but  Yeah , well w I think the buttons are very easy. With just uh standard buttons we just have so little


Yeah , maybe you have you have to  Uh when you use teletec teletext , you can press a green or a red button to go to the next one , or to go to the previous one.

Yeah okay , but  Yeah , well w I think the buttons are very easy. With just uh standard buttons we just have so little

O but maybe you can put um the g the options of teletext on the second level of the remote control. Because you ne almost never use it.


Yeah , maybe you have you have to  Uh when you use teletec teletext , you can press a green or a red button to go to the next one , or to go to the previous one.

Yeah okay , but  Yeah , well w I think the buttons are very easy. With just uh standard buttons we just have so little

O but maybe you can put um the g the options of teletext on the second level of the remote control. Because you ne almost never use it.

No , I don't need don't need  Uh teletext options are only four buttons or something.


Yeah okay , but  Yeah , well w I think the buttons are very easy. With just uh standard buttons we just have so little

O but maybe you can put um the g the options of teletext on the second level of the remote control. Because you ne almost never use it.

No , I don't need don't need  Uh teletext options are only four buttons or something.

Yeah , but younger people I think um more often use the internet and elderly people often use teletext.


O but maybe you can put um the g the options of teletext on the second level of the remote control. Because you ne almost never use it.

No , I don't need don't need  Uh teletext options are only four buttons or something.

Yeah , but younger people I think um more often use the internet and elderly people often use teletext.


No , I don't need don't need  Uh teletext options are only four buttons or something.

Yeah , but younger people I think um more often use the internet and elderly people often use teletext.


Yeah , but younger people I think um more often use the internet and elderly people often use teletext.


No , I use te teletext every day , I think.


No , I use te teletext every day , I think.

Yeah. For me too , it is. So we just keep it one level then ? Okay.


No , I use te teletext every day , I think.

Yeah. For me too , it is. So we just keep it one level then ? Okay.

Yeah yeah , one level. And I think , uh 'cause um we don't have that many buttons ,


Yeah. For me too , it is. So we just keep it one level then ? Okay.

Yeah yeah , one level. And I think , uh 'cause um we don't have that many buttons ,


Yeah. For me too , it is. So we just keep it one level then ? Okay.

Yeah yeah , one level. And I think , uh 'cause um we don't have that many buttons ,

I think the design is most important. You can d uh integrate the buttons in the design very much.


Yeah yeah , one level. And I think , uh 'cause um we don't have that many buttons ,

I think the design is most important. You can d uh integrate the buttons in the design very much.


I think the design is most important. You can d uh integrate the buttons in the design very much.


Okay. So that's it for toda for  We're going to have a lunch lunch break. Um


Okay. So that's it for toda for  We're going to have a lunch lunch break. Um

So yeah , you know what you have to do. This is uh this is it. You get your meal and everything , so


So yeah , you know what you have to do. This is uh this is it. You get your meal and everything , so


So , we're finished for t for this time. We're going to have some lunch.


now we 're on and it seems to be working.


It 's like when it 's been sitting for a long time or something.


It 's like when it 's been sitting for a long time or something.

So , I mean  I don't know what it is. But all  all I know is that it seems like every time I am up here after a meeting , and I start it , it works fine. And if I 'm up here and I start it and we 're all sitting here waiting to have a meeting , it gives me that error message and I have not yet sat down with  been able to get that error message in a point where I can sit down and find out where it 's occurring in the code.


It 's like when it 's been sitting for a long time or something.

So , I mean  I don't know what it is. But all  all I know is that it seems like every time I am up here after a meeting , and I start it , it works fine. And if I 'm up here and I start it and we 're all sitting here waiting to have a meeting , it gives me that error message and I have not yet sat down with  been able to get that error message in a point where I can sit down and find out where it 's occurring in the code.

Next time you get it maybe we should write it down.


So , I mean  I don't know what it is. But all  all I know is that it seems like every time I am up here after a meeting , and I start it , it works fine. And if I 'm up here and I start it and we 're all sitting here waiting to have a meeting , it gives me that error message and I have not yet sat down with  been able to get that error message in a point where I can sit down and find out where it 's occurring in the code.

Next time you get it maybe we should write it down.


Next time you get it maybe we should write it down.

Was it a pause , or  ? OK. Was it on " pause " or something ?


Was it a pause , or  ? OK. Was it on " pause " or something ?


Was it a pause , or  ? OK. Was it on " pause " or something ?

So uh  so the uh , the new procedural change that just got suggested , which I think is a good idea is that um , we do the digit recordings at the end. And that way , if we 're recording somebody else 's uh meeting , and a number of the participants have to run off to some other meeting and don't have the time , uh , then they can run off. It 'll mean we 'll get somewhat fewer uh , sets of digits , but um , I think that way we 'll cut into people 's time , um , if someone 's on strict time uh , less. So , I th I think  I think we should start doing that. Um , so , uh , let 's see , we were having a discussion the other day , maybe we should bring that up , about uh , the nature of the data that we are collecting. uh @ @ that uh , we should have a fair amount of data that is um , collected for the same meeting , so that we can , uh  I don't know. Wh - what  what were some of the points again about that ? Is it


So uh  so the uh , the new procedural change that just got suggested , which I think is a good idea is that um , we do the digit recordings at the end. And that way , if we 're recording somebody else 's uh meeting , and a number of the participants have to run off to some other meeting and don't have the time , uh , then they can run off. It 'll mean we 'll get somewhat fewer uh , sets of digits , but um , I think that way we 'll cut into people 's time , um , if someone 's on strict time uh , less. So , I th I think  I think we should start doing that. Um , so , uh , let 's see , we were having a discussion the other day , maybe we should bring that up , about uh , the nature of the data that we are collecting. uh @ @ that uh , we should have a fair amount of data that is um , collected for the same meeting , so that we can , uh  I don't know. Wh - what  what were some of the points again about that ? Is it


So uh  so the uh , the new procedural change that just got suggested , which I think is a good idea is that um , we do the digit recordings at the end. And that way , if we 're recording somebody else 's uh meeting , and a number of the participants have to run off to some other meeting and don't have the time , uh , then they can run off. It 'll mean we 'll get somewhat fewer uh , sets of digits , but um , I think that way we 'll cut into people 's time , um , if someone 's on strict time uh , less. So , I th I think  I think we should start doing that. Um , so , uh , let 's see , we were having a discussion the other day , maybe we should bring that up , about uh , the nature of the data that we are collecting. uh @ @ that uh , we should have a fair amount of data that is um , collected for the same meeting , so that we can , uh  I don't know. Wh - what  what were some of the points again about that ? Is it

Um , at the previous  at last week 's meeting , this meeting I was griping  about wanting to get more data and I  I talked about this with Jane and Adam , um , and was thinking of this mostly just so that we could do research on this data um , since we 'll have a new  this new student di does wanna work with us ,


Um , at the previous  at last week 's meeting , this meeting I was griping  about wanting to get more data and I  I talked about this with Jane and Adam , um , and was thinking of this mostly just so that we could do research on this data um , since we 'll have a new  this new student di does wanna work with us ,


Um , at the previous  at last week 's meeting , this meeting I was griping  about wanting to get more data and I  I talked about this with Jane and Adam , um , and was thinking of this mostly just so that we could do research on this data um , since we 'll have a new  this new student di does wanna work with us ,

th the guy that was at the last meeting.


th the guy that was at the last meeting.

And he 's already funded part - time , so we 'll only be paying him for sort of for half of the normal part - time ,


And he 's already funded part - time , so we 'll only be paying him for sort of for half of the normal part - time ,


And he 's already funded part - time , so we 'll only be paying him for sort of for half of the normal part - time ,

And what 's he interested in , specifically ?


And what 's he interested in , specifically ?

So he 's  comes from a signal - processing background , but I liked him a lot cuz he 's very interested in higher level things , like language , and disfluencies and all kinds of eb maybe prosody ,


And what 's he interested in , specifically ?

So he 's  comes from a signal - processing background , but I liked him a lot cuz he 's very interested in higher level things , like language , and disfluencies and all kinds of eb maybe prosody ,

so he 's just getting his feet wet in that. Anyway , I thought OK , maybe we should have enough data so that if he starts  he 'd be starting in January , next semester that we 'd have , you know , enough data to work with.


So he 's  comes from a signal - processing background , but I liked him a lot cuz he 's very interested in higher level things , like language , and disfluencies and all kinds of eb maybe prosody ,

so he 's just getting his feet wet in that. Anyway , I thought OK , maybe we should have enough data so that if he starts  he 'd be starting in January , next semester that we 'd have , you know , enough data to work with.


so he 's just getting his feet wet in that. Anyway , I thought OK , maybe we should have enough data so that if he starts  he 'd be starting in January , next semester that we 'd have , you know , enough data to work with.

But , um , Jane and Adam brought up a lot of good points that just posting a note to Berkeley people to have them come down here has some problems in that you m you need to make sure that the speakers are who you want and that the meeting type is what you want , and so forth. So , I thought about that and I think it 's still possible , um , but I 'd rather try to get more regular meetings of types that we know about , and hear , then sort of a mish - mosh of a bunch of one  one - time


But , um , Jane and Adam brought up a lot of good points that just posting a note to Berkeley people to have them come down here has some problems in that you m you need to make sure that the speakers are who you want and that the meeting type is what you want , and so forth. So , I thought about that and I think it 's still possible , um , but I 'd rather try to get more regular meetings of types that we know about , and hear , then sort of a mish - mosh of a bunch of one  one - time

Yeah , just because it would be very hard to process the data in all senses , both to get the , um  to figure out what type of meeting it is and to do any kind of higher level work on it , like well , I was talking to Morgan about things like summarization , or what 's this meeting about. I mean it 's very different if you have a group that 's just giving a report on what they did that week , versus coming to a decision and so forth. So. Then I was um , talking to Morgan about some  new proposed work in this area , sort of a separate issue from what the student would be working on where I was thinking of doing some kind of summarization of meetings or trying to find cues in both the utterances and in the utterance patterns , like in numbers of overlaps and amount of speech , sort of raw cues from the interaction that can be measured from the signals and from the diff different microphones that point to sort of hot spots in the meeting , or things where stuff is going on that might be important for someone who didn't attend to  listen to. And in that uh , regard , I thought we definitely w will need  it 'd b it 'd be nice for us to have a bunch of data from a few different domains , or a few different kinds of meetings. So this  this meeting is one of them , although I 'm not sure I can participate if I  You know , I would feel very strange being part of a meeting that you were then analysing later for things like summarization.


Yeah , just because it would be very hard to process the data in all senses , both to get the , um  to figure out what type of meeting it is and to do any kind of higher level work on it , like well , I was talking to Morgan about things like summarization , or what 's this meeting about. I mean it 's very different if you have a group that 's just giving a report on what they did that week , versus coming to a decision and so forth. So. Then I was um , talking to Morgan about some  new proposed work in this area , sort of a separate issue from what the student would be working on where I was thinking of doing some kind of summarization of meetings or trying to find cues in both the utterances and in the utterance patterns , like in numbers of overlaps and amount of speech , sort of raw cues from the interaction that can be measured from the signals and from the diff different microphones that point to sort of hot spots in the meeting , or things where stuff is going on that might be important for someone who didn't attend to  listen to. And in that uh , regard , I thought we definitely w will need  it 'd b it 'd be nice for us to have a bunch of data from a few different domains , or a few different kinds of meetings. So this  this meeting is one of them , although I 'm not sure I can participate if I  You know , I would feel very strange being part of a meeting that you were then analysing later for things like summarization.

Um , and then there are some others that menti that Morgan mentioned , like the front - end meeting  and maybe a networking  group meeting.


Yeah , just because it would be very hard to process the data in all senses , both to get the , um  to figure out what type of meeting it is and to do any kind of higher level work on it , like well , I was talking to Morgan about things like summarization , or what 's this meeting about. I mean it 's very different if you have a group that 's just giving a report on what they did that week , versus coming to a decision and so forth. So. Then I was um , talking to Morgan about some  new proposed work in this area , sort of a separate issue from what the student would be working on where I was thinking of doing some kind of summarization of meetings or trying to find cues in both the utterances and in the utterance patterns , like in numbers of overlaps and amount of speech , sort of raw cues from the interaction that can be measured from the signals and from the diff different microphones that point to sort of hot spots in the meeting , or things where stuff is going on that might be important for someone who didn't attend to  listen to. And in that uh , regard , I thought we definitely w will need  it 'd b it 'd be nice for us to have a bunch of data from a few different domains , or a few different kinds of meetings. So this  this meeting is one of them , although I 'm not sure I can participate if I  You know , I would feel very strange being part of a meeting that you were then analysing later for things like summarization.

Um , and then there are some others that menti that Morgan mentioned , like the front - end meeting  and maybe a networking  group meeting.

Right. Yep. Yeah , we 're  we 're hoping that they 'll let us start recording regularly.


Um , and then there are some others that menti that Morgan mentioned , like the front - end meeting  and maybe a networking  group meeting.

Right. Yep. Yeah , we 're  we 're hoping that they 'll let us start recording regularly.

So  So if that were the case then I think we 'd have enough.


Right. Yep. Yeah , we 're  we 're hoping that they 'll let us start recording regularly.

So  So if that were the case then I think we 'd have enough.

But basically , for anything where you 're trying to get a summarization of some kind of meeting    meaning out of the meeting , um , it would be too hard to have fifty different kinds of meetings where we didn't really have a good grasp on what does it mean to summarize ,


So  So if that were the case then I think we 'd have enough.

But basically , for anything where you 're trying to get a summarization of some kind of meeting    meaning out of the meeting , um , it would be too hard to have fifty different kinds of meetings where we didn't really have a good grasp on what does it mean to summarize ,


But basically , for anything where you 're trying to get a summarization of some kind of meeting    meaning out of the meeting , um , it would be too hard to have fifty different kinds of meetings where we didn't really have a good grasp on what does it mean to summarize ,

but  rather we should have different meetings by the same group but hopefully that have different summaries. And then we need a couple that  of   We don't wanna just have one group because that might be specific to that particular group , but @ @ three or four different kinds.


But basically , for anything where you 're trying to get a summarization of some kind of meeting    meaning out of the meeting , um , it would be too hard to have fifty different kinds of meetings where we didn't really have a good grasp on what does it mean to summarize ,

but  rather we should have different meetings by the same group but hopefully that have different summaries. And then we need a couple that  of   We don't wanna just have one group because that might be specific to that particular group , but @ @ three or four different kinds.

Yeah , we have a lot of overlap between this meeting and the morning meeting.


but  rather we should have different meetings by the same group but hopefully that have different summaries. And then we need a couple that  of   We don't wanna just have one group because that might be specific to that particular group , but @ @ three or four different kinds.

Yeah , we have a lot of overlap between this meeting and the morning meeting.


Yeah , we have a lot of overlap between this meeting and the morning meeting.

See , I 've never listened to the data for the front - end  meeting.


See , I 've never listened to the data for the front - end  meeting.


OK. But maybe that 's enough. So , in general , I was thinking more data but also data where we hold some parameters constant or fairly similar ,


OK. But maybe that 's enough. So , in general , I was thinking more data but also data where we hold some parameters constant or fairly similar ,

like a meeting about of people doing a certain kind of work where at least half the participants each time are the same.


like a meeting about of people doing a certain kind of work where at least half the participants each time are the same.

Now , let  l l let me just give you the other side to that cuz I ca because I  I don't disagree with that , but I think there is a complimentary piece to it too. Uh , for other kinds of research , particularly the acoustic oriented research , I actually feel the opposite need. I 'd like to have lots of different people.


Now , let  l l let me just give you the other side to that cuz I ca because I  I don't disagree with that , but I think there is a complimentary piece to it too. Uh , for other kinds of research , particularly the acoustic oriented research , I actually feel the opposite need. I 'd like to have lots of different people.

As many people here a a and talking about the kind of thing that you were just talking about it would have uh too few people from my point of view. I 'd like to have many different speakers. So , um I think I would also very much like us to have a fair amount of really random scattered meetings , of somebody coming down from campus , and  and uh ,


As many people here a a and talking about the kind of thing that you were just talking about it would have uh too few people from my point of view. I 'd like to have many different speakers. So , um I think I would also very much like us to have a fair amount of really random scattered meetings , of somebody coming down from campus , and  and uh ,

I mean , sure , if we can get more from them , fine ,


I mean , sure , if we can get more from them , fine ,


I mean , sure , if we can get more from them , fine ,

but if we only get one or two from each group , that still could be useful acoustically just because we 'd have close and distant microphones with different people.


but if we only get one or two from each group , that still could be useful acoustically just because we 'd have close and distant microphones with different people.


Can I  can I say about that  that the  the issues that I think Adam and I raised were more a matter of advertising so that you get more native speakers. Because I think if you just say  an And in particular , my suggestion was to advertise to linguistics grad students because there you 'd have so people who 'd have proficiency enough in English that  that uh , it would be useful for  for purposes  You know.


Can I  can I say about that  that the  the issues that I think Adam and I raised were more a matter of advertising so that you get more native speakers. Because I think if you just say  an And in particular , my suggestion was to advertise to linguistics grad students because there you 'd have so people who 'd have proficiency enough in English that  that uh , it would be useful for  for purposes  You know.

But you know , I think I 've been  I 've I  I 've gathered data from undergrads at  on campus and if you just post randomly to undergrads I think you 'd get such a mixed bag that it would be hard to know how much conversation you 'd have at all. And  and the English you 'd have  The language models would be really hard to build


But you know , I think I 've been  I 've I  I 've gathered data from undergrads at  on campus and if you just post randomly to undergrads I think you 'd get such a mixed bag that it would be hard to know how much conversation you 'd have at all. And  and the English you 'd have  The language models would be really hard to build

because it would not really be  it would be an interlanguage rather than  than a


But you know , I think I 've been  I 've I  I 've gathered data from undergrads at  on campus and if you just post randomly to undergrads I think you 'd get such a mixed bag that it would be hard to know how much conversation you 'd have at all. And  and the English you 'd have  The language models would be really hard to build

because it would not really be  it would be an interlanguage rather than  than a

Well , OK , uh , first place , I  I  I don't think we 'd just want to have random people come down and talk to one another , I think there should be a meeting that has some goal and point cuz I  I think that 's what we 're investigating ,


because it would not really be  it would be an interlanguage rather than  than a

Well , OK , uh , first place , I  I  I don't think we 'd just want to have random people come down and talk to one another , I think there should be a meeting that has some goal and point cuz I  I think that 's what we 're investigating ,


because it would not really be  it would be an interlanguage rather than  than a

Well , OK , uh , first place , I  I  I don't think we 'd just want to have random people come down and talk to one another , I think there should be a meeting that has some goal and point cuz I  I think that 's what we 're investigating ,

It has to be a  a pre - existing meeting ,  like a meeting that would otherwise happen anyway.


Well , OK , uh , first place , I  I  I don't think we 'd just want to have random people come down and talk to one another , I think there should be a meeting that has some goal and point cuz I  I think that 's what we 're investigating ,

It has to be a  a pre - existing meeting ,  like a meeting that would otherwise happen anyway.


It has to be a  a pre - existing meeting ,  like a meeting that would otherwise happen anyway.


So I was  I was thinking more in terms of talking to professors uh , and  and  and uh , senior uh , uh , d and uh , doctoral students who are leading projects and offering to them that they have their  hold their meeting down here.


So I was  I was thinking more in terms of talking to professors uh , and  and  and uh , senior uh , uh , d and uh , doctoral students who are leading projects and offering to them that they have their  hold their meeting down here.

That 's I think what we  and I agree with.


That 's I think what we  and I agree with.


Uh , that 's the first point. The second point is um I think that for some time now , going back through BeRP I think that we have had speakers that we 've worked with who had non - native accents and I th I think that


Uh , that 's the first point. The second point is um I think that for some time now , going back through BeRP I think that we have had speakers that we 've worked with who had non - native accents and I th I think that

Oh , oh. I 'm not saying accents. u The accent 's not the problem.


Uh , that 's the first point. The second point is um I think that for some time now , going back through BeRP I think that we have had speakers that we 've worked with who had non - native accents and I th I think that

Oh , oh. I 'm not saying accents. u The accent 's not the problem.

No , it 's more a matter of uh , proficiency , e e just simply fluency.


Oh , oh. I 'm not saying accents. u The accent 's not the problem.

No , it 's more a matter of uh , proficiency , e e just simply fluency.


No , it 's more a matter of uh , proficiency , e e just simply fluency.

I mean , I deal with people on  on campus who  I think sometimes people , undergraduates um in computer science uh , have language skills that make , you know  that their  their fluency and writing skills are not so strong.


No , it 's more a matter of uh , proficiency , e e just simply fluency.

I mean , I deal with people on  on campus who  I think sometimes people , undergraduates um in computer science uh , have language skills that make , you know  that their  their fluency and writing skills are not so strong.

Oh ! You 're not talking about foreign language at all.


I mean , I deal with people on  on campus who  I think sometimes people , undergraduates um in computer science uh , have language skills that make , you know  that their  their fluency and writing skills are not so strong.

Oh ! You 're not talking about foreign language at all.


Oh ! You 're not talking about foreign language at all.


but you know , it 's like when you get into the graduate level , uh , no problem. I mean , I 'm not saying accents.


It 's   The  the habits are already burnt in.


It 's   The  the habits are already burnt in.

Well , I think that , um  I think that the only thing we should say in the advertisement is that the meeting should be held in English. And  and I think if it 's a pre - existing meeting and it 's held in English ,  I  I think it 's probably OK if a few of the people don't have uh , g particularly good English skills.


Well , I think that , um  I think that the only thing we should say in the advertisement is that the meeting should be held in English. And  and I think if it 's a pre - existing meeting and it 's held in English ,  I  I think it 's probably OK if a few of the people don't have uh , g particularly good English skills.


Well , I think that , um  I think that the only thing we should say in the advertisement is that the meeting should be held in English. And  and I think if it 's a pre - existing meeting and it 's held in English ,  I  I think it 's probably OK if a few of the people don't have uh , g particularly good English skills.

OK , now can I  can I say the other aspect of this from my perspective which is that um , there 's  there 's this  this issue , you have a corpus out there , it should be used for  for multiple things cuz it 's so expensive to put together.


OK , now can I  can I say the other aspect of this from my perspective which is that um , there 's  there 's this  this issue , you have a corpus out there , it should be used for  for multiple things cuz it 's so expensive to put together.


OK , now can I  can I say the other aspect of this from my perspective which is that um , there 's  there 's this  this issue , you have a corpus out there , it should be used for  for multiple things cuz it 's so expensive to put together.

And if people want to approach  Um , i so I know  e e  You know this  The idea of computational linguistics and probabilistic grammars and all may not be the focus of this group ,


And if people want to approach  Um , i so I know  e e  You know this  The idea of computational linguistics and probabilistic grammars and all may not be the focus of this group ,


And if people want to approach  Um , i so I know  e e  You know this  The idea of computational linguistics and probabilistic grammars and all may not be the focus of this group ,

but the idea of language models , which are fund you know generally speaking uh , you know , t t terms of like the amount of benefit per dollar spent or an hour invested in preparing the data ,


but the idea of language models , which are fund you know generally speaking uh , you know , t t terms of like the amount of benefit per dollar spent or an hour invested in preparing the data ,

if you have a choice between people who are pr more proficient in   um , i more fluent , more  more close to being academic English , then it would seem to me to be a good thing.


if you have a choice between people who are pr more proficient in   um , i more fluent , more  more close to being academic English , then it would seem to me to be a good thing.

Because otherwise y you don't have the ability to have  Uh , so if  if you have a bunch of idiolects that 's the worst possible case. If you have people who are using English as a  as an interlanguage because they  they don't  uh , they can't speak in their native languages and  but their interlanguage isn't really a match to any existing , uh , language model ,


Because otherwise y you don't have the ability to have  Uh , so if  if you have a bunch of idiolects that 's the worst possible case. If you have people who are using English as a  as an interlanguage because they  they don't  uh , they can't speak in their native languages and  but their interlanguage isn't really a match to any existing , uh , language model ,


Well , that 's pretty much what you 're going to have in the networking group.


Well , that 's pretty much what you 're going to have in the networking group.

because  because they  most  the network group is almost entirely Germans and Spaniards.


because  because they  most  the network group is almost entirely Germans and Spaniards.

Well Oh. But the thing is , I think that these people are of high enough level in their  in their language proficiency that


Well Oh. But the thing is , I think that these people are of high enough level in their  in their language proficiency that


I  I 'm  I 'm just thinking that we have to think at a  at a higher level view , could we have a language model , a  a grammar  a grammar , basically , that um , wo would be a  a possibility.


I  I 'm  I 'm just thinking that we have to think at a  at a higher level view , could we have a language model , a  a grammar  a grammar , basically , that um , wo would be a  a possibility.

So y so if you wanted to bring in a model like Dan Jurafsky 's model , an and do some top - down stuff , it  to help th the bottom - up and merge the things or whatever , uh , it seems like um , I don't see that there 's an argument


So y so if you wanted to bring in a model like Dan Jurafsky 's model , an and do some top - down stuff , it  to help th the bottom - up and merge the things or whatever , uh , it seems like um , I don't see that there 's an argument

I 'm  I  what I think is that why not have the corpus , since it 's so expensive to put together , uh , useful for the widest range of  of central corp things that people generally use corpora for and which are , you know , used in computational linguistics.


I 'm  I  what I think is that why not have the corpus , since it 's so expensive to put together , uh , useful for the widest range of  of central corp things that people generally use corpora for and which are , you know , used in computational linguistics.

That 's  that 's my point. Which  which includes both top - down and bottom - up.


That 's  that 's my point. Which  which includes both top - down and bottom - up.


OK , well , i i let 's  let 's see what we can get. I mean , it  it  I think that if we 're aiming at  at uh , groups of graduate students and professors and so forth who are talking about things together , and it 's from the Berkeley campus , probably most of it will be OK ,


OK , well , i i let 's  let 's see what we can get. I mean , it  it  I think that if we 're aiming at  at uh , groups of graduate students and professors and so forth who are talking about things together , and it 's from the Berkeley campus , probably most of it will be OK ,

Yes , that 's fine. That 's fine. Exactly. And my point in m in my note to Liz was I think that undergrads are an iff iffy population.


OK , well , i i let 's  let 's see what we can get. I mean , it  it  I think that if we 're aiming at  at uh , groups of graduate students and professors and so forth who are talking about things together , and it 's from the Berkeley campus , probably most of it will be OK ,

Yes , that 's fine. That 's fine. Exactly. And my point in m in my note to Liz was I think that undergrads are an iff iffy population.

I definitely agree with that , I mean , for this purpose.


Yes , that 's fine. That 's fine. Exactly. And my point in m in my note to Liz was I think that undergrads are an iff iffy population.

I definitely agree with that , I mean , for this purpose.


I definitely agree with that , I mean , for this purpose.

Well , not to mention the fact that I would be hesitant certainly to take anyone under eighteen , probably even an anyone under twenty - one.


Well , not to mention the fact that I would be hesitant certainly to take anyone under eighteen , probably even an anyone under twenty - one.


What 's that ? Well , age - ist.  The " eighteen " is because of the consent form.


We 'd hafta get  find their parent to sign for them.


I have a  uh , um , question. Well , Morgan , you were mentioning that Mari may not use the k equipment from IBM if they found something else , cuz there 's a


I have a  uh , um , question. Well , Morgan , you were mentioning that Mari may not use the k equipment from IBM if they found something else , cuz there 's a

They 're  they 're  yeah , they 're d they 're uh  assessing whether they should do that or y do something else , hopefully over the next few weeks.


I have a  uh , um , question. Well , Morgan , you were mentioning that Mari may not use the k equipment from IBM if they found something else , cuz there 's a

They 're  they 're  yeah , they 're d they 're uh  assessing whether they should do that or y do something else , hopefully over the next few weeks.

Cuz I mean , one remote possibility is that if we st if we inherited that equipment , if she weren't using it , could we set up a room in the linguistics department ? And  and I mean , there  there may be a lot more  or  or in psych , or in comp wherever , in another building where we could um , record people there. I think we 'd have a better chance


I have a  uh , um , question. Well , Morgan , you were mentioning that Mari may not use the k equipment from IBM if they found something else , cuz there 's a

They 're  they 're  yeah , they 're d they 're uh  assessing whether they should do that or y do something else , hopefully over the next few weeks.

Cuz I mean , one remote possibility is that if we st if we inherited that equipment , if she weren't using it , could we set up a room in the linguistics department ? And  and I mean , there  there may be a lot more  or  or in psych , or in comp wherever , in another building where we could um , record people there. I think we 'd have a better chance

I think we 'd need a real motivated partner to do that. We 'd need to find someone on campus who was interested in this.


They 're  they 're  yeah , they 're d they 're uh  assessing whether they should do that or y do something else , hopefully over the next few weeks.

Cuz I mean , one remote possibility is that if we st if we inherited that equipment , if she weren't using it , could we set up a room in the linguistics department ? And  and I mean , there  there may be a lot more  or  or in psych , or in comp wherever , in another building where we could um , record people there. I think we 'd have a better chance

I think we 'd need a real motivated partner to do that. We 'd need to find someone on campus who was interested in this.

Right , but  Right. But if there were such a  I mean it 's a remote possibility , then um , you know , one of us could you know , go up there and record the meeting or something rather than bring all of them down here.


Cuz I mean , one remote possibility is that if we st if we inherited that equipment , if she weren't using it , could we set up a room in the linguistics department ? And  and I mean , there  there may be a lot more  or  or in psych , or in comp wherever , in another building where we could um , record people there. I think we 'd have a better chance

I think we 'd need a real motivated partner to do that. We 'd need to find someone on campus who was interested in this.

Right , but  Right. But if there were such a  I mean it 's a remote possibility , then um , you know , one of us could you know , go up there and record the meeting or something rather than bring all of them down here.


I think we 'd need a real motivated partner to do that. We 'd need to find someone on campus who was interested in this.

Right , but  Right. But if there were such a  I mean it 's a remote possibility , then um , you know , one of us could you know , go up there and record the meeting or something rather than bring all of them down here.

So it 's just a just a thought if they end up not using the  the hardware.


Right , but  Right. But if there were such a  I mean it 's a remote possibility , then um , you know , one of us could you know , go up there and record the meeting or something rather than bring all of them down here.

So it 's just a just a thought if they end up not using the  the hardware.

Well , the other thing  Yeah , I mean the other thing that I was hoping to do in the first place was to turn it into some kind of portable thing so you could wheel it around.


So it 's just a just a thought if they end up not using the  the hardware.

Well , the other thing  Yeah , I mean the other thing that I was hoping to do in the first place was to turn it into some kind of portable thing so you could wheel it around.


Well , the other thing  Yeah , I mean the other thing that I was hoping to do in the first place was to turn it into some kind of portable thing so you could wheel it around.

Well , I know that space is really scarce on  at least in CS. You know , to  to actually find a room that we could use regularly might actually be very difficult.


Well , I know that space is really scarce on  at least in CS. You know , to  to actually find a room that we could use regularly might actually be very difficult.


Well , I know that space is really scarce on  at least in CS. You know , to  to actually find a room that we could use regularly might actually be very difficult.

But you may not need a separate room , you know ,


But you may not need a separate room , you know ,