Yes , it  it it should be f  be visible nearly anywhere in the room. As I uh as I said during my presentation , fifty percent uh o

Mm-hmm. And shou and should ni look nice when you put it on a table. I I think you m might wanna put it uh

yeah , that it it it it stands up. Yeah , you have to put it on its  So it's like a vase or uh something you put on a table.


Mm-hmm. And shou and should ni look nice when you put it on a table. I I think you m might wanna put it uh

yeah , that it it it it stands up. Yeah , you have to put it on its  So it's like a vase or uh something you put on a table.


yeah , that it it it it stands up. Yeah , you have to put it on its  So it's like a vase or uh something you put on a table.

no no ,  put stuff inside it. But , it's like like a statue or something


no no ,  put stuff inside it. But , it's like like a statue or something


no no ,  put stuff inside it. But , it's like like a statue or something

Yeah , yeah , I see what you mean , yep.


Yeah , yeah , I see what you mean , yep.

It's like you have uh four phones. Something like that.


Yeah , yeah , I see what you mean , yep.

It's like you have uh four phones. Something like that.

Yeah yeah , but  yeah , but you also can put it somewhere near the window in


Yeah , yeah , I see what you mean , yep.

It's like you have uh four phones. Something like that.

Yeah yeah , but  yeah , but you also can put it somewhere near the window in

If you do that , but I don't know if that's possible within the production cost of twelve and a half Euros.


It's like you have uh four phones. Something like that.

Yeah yeah , but  yeah , but you also can put it somewhere near the window in

If you do that , but I don't know if that's possible within the production cost of twelve and a half Euros.


Yeah yeah , but  yeah , but you also can put it somewhere near the window in

If you do that , but I don't know if that's possible within the production cost of twelve and a half Euros.


If you do that , but I don't know if that's possible within the production cost of twelve and a half Euros.

I in in the base we could like make uh a button , and if you push it , the remote control itself s makes noise.


I in in the base we could like make uh a button , and if you push it , the remote control itself s makes noise.


I in in the base we could like make uh a button , and if you push it , the remote control itself s makes noise.

That's probably stupid , but uh as I found here uh , fifty percent , was it fifty ?


I in in the base we could like make uh a button , and if you push it , the remote control itself s makes noise.

That's probably stupid , but uh as I found here uh , fifty percent , was it fifty ?

But that's that's fun for the first time , and then the second


That's probably stupid , but uh as I found here uh , fifty percent , was it fifty ?

But that's that's fun for the first time , and then the second

Uh fifty percent fifty percent often loses remote control.


That's probably stupid , but uh as I found here uh , fifty percent , was it fifty ?

But that's that's fun for the first time , and then the second

Uh fifty percent fifty percent often loses remote control.

Yeah , but but when you   when it gets lost , how can you press the button to make it


But that's that's fun for the first time , and then the second

Uh fifty percent fifty percent often loses remote control.

Yeah , but but when you   when it gets lost , how can you press the button to make it

No uh , of the base the the the the the the the thing you put it in.


Uh fifty percent fifty percent often loses remote control.

Yeah , but but when you   when it gets lost , how can you press the button to make it

No uh , of the base the the the the the the the thing you put it in.


Yeah , but but when you   when it gets lost , how can you press the button to make it

No uh , of the base the the the the the the the thing you put it in.


No uh , of the base the the the the the the the thing you put it in.


And then also you don't even need batteries , because you can make it uh chargeable.


And then also you don't even need batteries , because you can make it uh chargeable.

Yeah , you can ma make rechargeable one , yeah. Why not.


Yeah , you can ma make rechargeable one , yeah. Why not.


Yeah , you can ma make rechargeable one , yeah. Why not.

Yeah , that w yeah , but  yeah , the pro No , well I think that it might be t p Well , nee but we don't  Yeah.


Yeah , that w yeah , but  yeah , the pro No , well I think that it might be t p Well , nee but we don't  Yeah.

Maybe you , but  we don't know much about production cost , but when you  you can imagine that when you spend twenty five Euros on a remote control and it's a basic remote control , then the then the money  there must be money to spend on that kind of st you know ,  rechargeable units.


Maybe you , but  we don't know much about production cost , but when you  you can imagine that when you spend twenty five Euros on a remote control and it's a basic remote control , then the then the money  there must be money to spend on that kind of st you know ,  rechargeable units.

It should only cost twelve and a half Euros , of course. Aye ?


Maybe you , but  we don't know much about production cost , but when you  you can imagine that when you spend twenty five Euros on a remote control and it's a basic remote control , then the then the money  there must be money to spend on that kind of st you know ,  rechargeable units.

It should only cost twelve and a half Euros , of course. Aye ?

Yeah , but we would d ma we'd do it in Taiwan and   So , it's not gonna be that expen


It should only cost twelve and a half Euros , of course. Aye ?

Yeah , but we would d ma we'd do it in Taiwan and   So , it's not gonna be that expen


Yeah , but we would d ma we'd do it in Taiwan and   So , it's not gonna be that expen


It should be possible. I think it's a good idea.


It should be possible. I think it's a good idea.

S some kind of be I've never seen that before , and you make it uh um be uh , you see it with uh the mo the mouses nowadays.


S some kind of be I've never seen that before , and you make it uh um be uh , you see it with uh the mo the mouses nowadays.


Well , I  well it's really ch you can recharge it , so you ha never have the battery problem. That's one .


Well , I  well it's really ch you can recharge it , so you ha never have the battery problem. That's one .

And uh you can always find your remote control up


And uh you can always find your remote control up

But but remote controls remote controls nowadays can can last uh two years , three years , with with t two batteries.


And uh you can always find your remote control up

But but remote controls remote controls nowadays can can last uh two years , three years , with with t two batteries.

Uh , okay. Well , maybe yeah , you could  when that's  when it's too costly , you could probably skip the recharger ,


But but remote controls remote controls nowadays can can last uh two years , three years , with with t two batteries.

Uh , okay. Well , maybe yeah , you could  when that's  when it's too costly , you could probably skip the recharger ,


But but remote controls remote controls nowadays can can last uh two years , three years , with with t two batteries.

Uh , okay. Well , maybe yeah , you could  when that's  when it's too costly , you could probably skip the recharger ,

but you will  you do need uh also an  uh , also you would need a battery in the the base unit as well , you know. Does it makes it kinda


Uh , okay. Well , maybe yeah , you could  when that's  when it's too costly , you could probably skip the recharger ,

but you will  you do need uh also an  uh , also you would need a battery in the the base unit as well , you know. Does it makes it kinda


but you will  you do need uh also an  uh , also you would need a battery in the the base unit as well , you know. Does it makes it kinda

Well y you you could connect that to two hundred to twenty volts , of course.


but you will  you do need uh also an  uh , also you would need a battery in the the base unit as well , you know. Does it makes it kinda

Well y you you could connect that to two hundred to twenty volts , of course.

Mm. Yeah , but that's not  it's ugly , I think.


Well y you you could connect that to two hundred to twenty volts , of course.

Mm. Yeah , but that's not  it's ugly , I think.


Mm. Yeah , but that's not  it's ugly , I think.

Yeah , but then it's very easy to make it also a rechargeab I don't think that is gonna cost much to make it also a recharge function in it.


Yeah , but then it's very easy to make it also a rechargeab I don't think that is gonna cost much to make it also a recharge function in it.


Yeah , but then it's very easy to make it also a rechargeab I don't think that is gonna cost much to make it also a recharge function in it.

On the other hand , if you don't do it , we can also make a nice bay. I mean , it looks trendy and still  still put a bleep function in it ,


On the other hand , if you don't do it , we can also make a nice bay. I mean , it looks trendy and still  still put a bleep function in it ,


On the other hand , if you don't do it , we can also make a nice bay. I mean , it looks trendy and still  still put a bleep function in it ,

I think it's a good idea. And make it , you know , we we um  Well , we uh  it's  it isn't a t a most uh costly uh remote control. We can save on the on the functions. We just  put some simple button in , make it big and sturdy , nothing more , and just make s sure there's some noise that it can make , or probably some kind of cheap light thing around it or that it uh that it lights up ,


I think it's a good idea. And make it , you know , we we um  Well , we uh  it's  it isn't a t a most uh costly uh remote control. We can save on the on the functions. We just  put some simple button in , make it big and sturdy , nothing more , and just make s sure there's some noise that it can make , or probably some kind of cheap light thing around it or that it uh that it lights up ,


I think it's a good idea. And make it , you know , we we um  Well , we uh  it's  it isn't a t a most uh costly uh remote control. We can save on the on the functions. We just  put some simple button in , make it big and sturdy , nothing more , and just make s sure there's some noise that it can make , or probably some kind of cheap light thing around it or that it uh that it lights up ,

it's also nice. And if you put it away , I think it's uh w we have to  we uh  that's uh


it's also nice. And if you put it away , I think it's uh w we have to  we uh  that's uh


We have to something special. And for twenty five Euros people want something remote c special from your mote control ,


We have to something special. And for twenty five Euros people want something remote c special from your mote control ,

and we can't deliver that in r with uh regards to the functions ,


and we can't deliver that in r with uh regards to the functions ,


With eye candy , ear candy , whatever. Yeah , definitely.


With eye candy , ear candy , whatever. Yeah , definitely.

Yeah. And then uh when make it , you know , nice looking shape and this   and then you also you got the stand-up thing. Yeah. I think I think it's a good idea.


With eye candy , ear candy , whatever. Yeah , definitely.

Yeah. And then uh when make it , you know , nice looking shape and this   and then you also you got the stand-up thing. Yeah. I think I think it's a good idea.

Yeah , it must be must be a gadget to have.


Yeah. And then uh when make it , you know , nice looking shape and this   and then you also you got the stand-up thing. Yeah. I think I think it's a good idea.

Yeah , it must be must be a gadget to have.


Yeah , it must be must be a gadget to have.


Yeah , it must be must be a gadget to have.

Oh , if it  let's  well , we will see what's possible concerning the the costs , and if it's possible we'll do that. And we even try to save up on other stuff to make sure we can do such a thing.


Oh , if it  let's  well , we will see what's possible concerning the the costs , and if it's possible we'll do that. And we even try to save up on other stuff to make sure we can do such a thing.


Oh , if it  let's  well , we will see what's possible concerning the the costs , and if it's possible we'll do that. And we even try to save up on other stuff to make sure we can do such a thing.

And the first thing we  the most likeable thing to to n to skip is then probably the recharge function or something. If that's too expensive , we won't do that.


And the first thing we  the most likeable thing to to n to skip is then probably the recharge function or something. If that's too expensive , we won't do that.


It's the idea. I know that batteries last long nowadays. And and what people just think about , well , I'll never have to buy any r batteries again , so y b because it's very annoying when your battery is empty. And you know then when you haven't batteries around , and probably for two weeks , your remo   I've experienced that that


It's the idea. I know that batteries last long nowadays. And and what people just think about , well , I'll never have to buy any r batteries again , so y b because it's very annoying when your battery is empty. And you know then when you haven't batteries around , and probably for two weeks , your remo   I've experienced that that

Most televisions break down before the battery pack is empty , so  yes.


It's the idea. I know that batteries last long nowadays. And and what people just think about , well , I'll never have to buy any r batteries again , so y b because it's very annoying when your battery is empty. And you know then when you haven't batteries around , and probably for two weeks , your remo   I've experienced that that

Most televisions break down before the battery pack is empty , so  yes.

Yeah , okay. So , easy functions. Well , we will we will  I think we'll work that out , zapping , numbers on it , bi


It's the idea. I know that batteries last long nowadays. And and what people just think about , well , I'll never have to buy any r batteries again , so y b because it's very annoying when your battery is empty. And you know then when you haven't batteries around , and probably for two weeks , your remo   I've experienced that that

Most televisions break down before the battery pack is empty , so  yes.

Yeah , okay. So , easy functions. Well , we will we will  I think we'll work that out , zapping , numbers on it , bi

Or just give a beep when the battery's out or uh down.


Most televisions break down before the battery pack is empty , so  yes.

Yeah , okay. So , easy functions. Well , we will we will  I think we'll work that out , zapping , numbers on it , bi

Or just give a beep when the battery's out or uh down.


Yeah , okay. So , easy functions. Well , we will we will  I think we'll work that out , zapping , numbers on it , bi

Or just give a beep when the battery's out or uh down.


Or just give a beep when the battery's out or uh down.

'cause as long as it stays  as it ke keeps working , you're not very motivated to do something about it.


'cause as long as it stays  as it ke keeps working , you're not very motivated to do something about it.


You don't want to have  ever have those problems , and you won't have if if you have the rechargeable . And you don't have to use the unit , you can also put it on the side if people don't like it. Uh , i i in the in the ma


You don't want to have  ever have those problems , and you won't have if if you have the rechargeable . And you don't have to use the unit , you can also put it on the side if people don't like it. Uh , i i in the in the ma

Yeah , but it w I mean , if if they pay for it because they think , oh , that's a great idea , I'm gonna use it. And when it , you know , when time goes by and they think , well , I'll never put him in the recharger , I think last long enough , then they put it on side and they can use it now and then. Then when they look  get m I I I know for sure that everybody who buys this remote control , within a couple of months of  they will be in the situation that they they're seeking for the remote control , they wanna see something quick and uh just push the button and th uh ,


Yeah , but it w I mean , if if they pay for it because they think , oh , that's a great idea , I'm gonna use it. And when it , you know , when time goes by and they think , well , I'll never put him in the recharger , I think last long enough , then they put it on side and they can use it now and then. Then when they look  get m I I I know for sure that everybody who buys this remote control , within a couple of months of  they will be in the situation that they they're seeking for the remote control , they wanna see something quick and uh just push the button and th uh ,


Yeah , but it w I mean , if if they pay for it because they think , oh , that's a great idea , I'm gonna use it. And when it , you know , when time goes by and they think , well , I'll never put him in the recharger , I think last long enough , then they put it on side and they can use it now and then. Then when they look  get m I I I know for sure that everybody who buys this remote control , within a couple of months of  they will be in the situation that they they're seeking for the remote control , they wanna see something quick and uh just push the button and th uh ,

Bleep bleep bleep , oh there it is , yeah. Yeah.


Bleep bleep bleep , oh there it is , yeah. Yeah.

Yeah , I've never  it's so simple , but I've never seen it.


Yeah , I've never  it's so simple , but I've never seen it.


Okay now , well , how much time have we got left ? These clocks aren't uh synched.


Okay now , well , how much time have we got left ? These clocks aren't uh synched.

Oh , now I've put uh  well ,  it is twenty p


Oh , now I've put uh  well ,  it is twenty p

Okay , so we have ten minutes or something ?


Okay , so we have ten minutes or something ?

Yeah , but we're uh we're done. I think.


Yeah , but we're uh we're done. I think.

We've decided on the functions. Well , there is some  oh. There is a closing sheet. We have lunch break , and then we have thirty minutes of individual work.


We've decided on the functions. Well , there is some  oh. There is a closing sheet. We have lunch break , and then we have thirty minutes of individual work.

Oh  okay , I'll make sure  I'll  I had some problems with uh the digitising the the first minutes , the the s the next minutes won't be a problem , but I'll try to make sure the first one will be in the folder too , but maybe it won't work , but you'll see. I think these are more important than the first ones , so


Oh  okay , I'll make sure  I'll  I had some problems with uh the digitising the the first minutes , the the s the next minutes won't be a problem , but I'll try to make sure the first one will be in the folder too , but maybe it won't work , but you'll see. I think these are more important than the first ones , so

Can you make an uh uh a part of f folder for the minutes maybe ?


Oh  okay , I'll make sure  I'll  I had some problems with uh the digitising the the first minutes , the the s the next minutes won't be a problem , but I'll try to make sure the first one will be in the folder too , but maybe it won't work , but you'll see. I think these are more important than the first ones , so

Can you make an uh uh a part of f folder for the minutes maybe ?

That not not everything in one one uh folder.


Can you make an uh uh a part of f folder for the minutes maybe ?

That not not everything in one one uh folder.


Can you make an uh uh a part of f folder for the minutes maybe ?

That not not everything in one one uh folder.

Oh , five minutes. Yeah , because uh I I d I did uh  the first minutes I did were were were a bit scratchy , you know. Then I did a s second one with a nicer layout , which I could uh , know , use for the other ones  well , but uh I d think uh I forgot to do  put done under the first one , and when you go write a second uh it's get  it's not working  when you try to write second uh paper or something.


That not not everything in one one uh folder.

Oh , five minutes. Yeah , because uh I I d I did uh  the first minutes I did were were were a bit scratchy , you know. Then I did a s second one with a nicer layout , which I could uh , know , use for the other ones  well , but uh I d think uh I forgot to do  put done under the first one , and when you go write a second uh it's get  it's not working  when you try to write second uh paper or something.


Oh , five minutes. Yeah , because uh I I d I did uh  the first minutes I did were were were a bit scratchy , you know. Then I did a s second one with a nicer layout , which I could uh , know , use for the other ones  well , but uh I d think uh I forgot to do  put done under the first one , and when you go write a second uh it's get  it's not working  when you try to write second uh paper or something.


Oh , five minutes. Yeah , because uh I I d I did uh  the first minutes I did were were were a bit scratchy , you know. Then I did a s second one with a nicer layout , which I could uh , know , use for the other ones  well , but uh I d think uh I forgot to do  put done under the first one , and when you go write a second uh it's get  it's not working  when you try to write second uh paper or something.

And then you    you had to overwrite it or someth I don't know. Becau I d uh , it was not my uh pen.


And then you    you had to overwrite it or someth I don't know. Becau I d uh , it was not my uh pen.


And then you    you had to overwrite it or someth I don't know. Becau I d uh , it was not my uh pen.

on our nice whiteboard , um a little uh idea of


on our nice whiteboard , um a little uh idea of


I dunno. Has anyone got um  a little bit detailed ideas about the shape ?


The shape is nice , it's um something different , and we want we want that.


The shape is nice , it's um something different , and we want we want that.

Well , I I  I have to say , I have this uh can opening remote control in my head most of all ,


Well , I I  I have to say , I have this uh can opening remote control in my head most of all ,

or I think some  maybe we should  no , that will be too costly.


or I think some  maybe we should  no , that will be too costly.

We shou we could also , that was a  would also be an idea , but I don't think it  I don't know if it exists already , you should like make Alessi or something design it.


We shou we could also , that was a  would also be an idea , but I don't think it  I don't know if it exists already , you should like make Alessi or something design it.

That would also be nice. But that's gonna  then you c then you don't


We shou we could also , that was a  would also be an idea , but I don't think it  I don't know if it exists already , you should like make Alessi or something design it.

That would also be nice. But that's gonna  then you c then you don't

Yeah , but  twelve and a half Euros ? Uh


That would also be nice. But that's gonna  then you c then you don't

Yeah , but  twelve and a half Euros ? Uh

Yeah , but then you don't have t yeah it  that's not something i that's in the production cost   a one  it's a one time , you know  s was  it's a single cost.


Yeah , but  twelve and a half Euros ? Uh

Yeah , but then you don't have t yeah it  that's not something i that's in the production cost   a one  it's a one time , you know  s was  it's a single cost.

Yeah , m but but then you can  nah , I don't thin I think that it would be more expensive , because I've bought the Alessi stuff more often and even small pencil holders or something are more expensive.


Yeah , but then you don't have t yeah it  that's not something i that's in the production cost   a one  it's a one time , you know  s was  it's a single cost.

Yeah , m but but then you can  nah , I don't thin I think that it would be more expensive , because I've bought the Alessi stuff more often and even small pencil holders or something are more expensive.


Yeah , m but but then you can  nah , I don't thin I think that it would be more expensive , because I've bought the Alessi stuff more often and even small pencil holders or something are more expensive.

Would be a nice idea though. I don't know. I think it uh has to be a r  it has to have round forms or something. Like something like that or so or so


Would be a nice idea though. I don't know. I think it uh has to be a r  it has to have round forms or something. Like something like that or so or so

And on th and then uh s a base unit underneath it. It's also round.


And on th and then uh s a base unit underneath it. It's also round.


Maybe uh , I don't know , some some lights , a big but well.


Maybe uh , I don't know , some some lights , a big but well.

Yeah , flash lights at the side. At the side , or something like that.


Maybe uh , I don't know , some some lights , a big but well.

Yeah , flash lights at the side. At the side , or something like that.

Yes , volume and programme should be there I guess , because you hands wi uh y your hands will be in the smaller part.


Yeah , flash lights at the side. At the side , or something like that.

Yes , volume and programme should be there I guess , because you hands wi uh y your hands will be in the smaller part.

And some of the extra funct Some of the extra functions over here. Numbers.


Yes , volume and programme should be there I guess , because you hands wi uh y your hands will be in the smaller part.

And some of the extra funct Some of the extra functions over here. Numbers.


Yes , volume and programme should be there I guess , because you hands wi uh y your hands will be in the smaller part.

And some of the extra funct Some of the extra functions over here. Numbers.

Yeah , and the numbers on top , I guess.


And some of the extra funct Some of the extra functions over here. Numbers.

Yeah , and the numbers on top , I guess.


Yeah , and the numbers on top , I guess.

And and lights ? How we're g well , maybe uh s a ring of  no , no , you have to   Maybe on the side of it.


And and lights ? How we're g well , maybe uh s a ring of  no , no , you have to   Maybe on the side of it.


Just two LEDs or something on the side. Yeah.


Just two LEDs or something on the side. Yeah.

Maybe lights also around the volume and the p the plus minus programme buttons.


Just two LEDs or something on the side. Yeah.

Maybe lights also around the volume and the p the plus minus programme buttons.

Yeah , but I also meant the the blinking li w you know , the ones that also blink when you try to uh uh locate your remote.


Maybe lights also around the volume and the p the plus minus programme buttons.

Yeah , but I also meant the the blinking li w you know , the ones that also blink when you try to uh uh locate your remote.


Yeah , but I also meant the the blinking li w you know , the ones that also blink when you try to uh uh locate your remote.


Well , uh probably at the side. You know look at the front , but


Well , uh probably at the side. You know look at the front , but

Yeah. Yeah , yeah. Exactly. When you you see it from the side , then it would look just  like that. And then you have a strip of uh lights or something


Well , uh probably at the side. You know look at the front , but

Yeah. Yeah , yeah. Exactly. When you you see it from the side , then it would look just  like that. And then you have a strip of uh lights or something

Yeah , exactly , and then there is  yeah. Yeah , something like that , yeah.


Yeah. Yeah , yeah. Exactly. When you you see it from the side , then it would look just  like that. And then you have a strip of uh lights or something

Yeah , exactly , and then there is  yeah. Yeah , something like that , yeah.

Well , uh I think it's nice , for one thing.  maybe put something on top of it  or , you know , like that's  looks funny.


Yeah , exactly , and then there is  yeah. Yeah , something like that , yeah.

Well , uh I think it's nice , for one thing.  maybe put something on top of it  or , you know , like that's  looks funny.


Well , uh I think it's nice , for one thing.  maybe put something on top of it  or , you know , like that's  looks funny.


Well , uh I think it's nice , for one thing.  maybe put something on top of it  or , you know , like that's  looks funny.

I think I think that'll be too big tha too big then.


I think I think that'll be too big tha too big then.


I think I think that'll be too big tha too big then.

We'll have to think about it. I think we're we're done.


We'll have to think about it. I think we're we're done.


'S to do now is to decide how to fulfil what your stuff is ,


It kinda does make sense , doesn't it , because when we get into the end of meeting we're kind of  talking about action and design as opposed to background.


Well how um on the  in this meeting then if we um  I'll just just recap on the minutes from the last meeting. And we uh decided on


Well how um on the  in this meeting then if we um  I'll just just recap on the minutes from the last meeting. And we uh decided on

decided on our our target group being fifteen to thirty five ,


decided on our our target group being fifteen to thirty five ,

and we decided that it was gonna be non-rechargeable battery-powered , that we're gonna group our audio-visual and other functions into into those categories , um . And I told you guys about the three new requirements about ignoring teletext , ignoring everything except the T_V_ , and trying to incorporate the the uh corporate colour and slogan. Um so that was the last meeting.


and we decided that it was gonna be non-rechargeable battery-powered , that we're gonna group our audio-visual and other functions into into those categories , um . And I told you guys about the three new requirements about ignoring teletext , ignoring everything except the T_V_ , and trying to incorporate the the uh corporate colour and slogan. Um so that was the last meeting.

Is there anything  have I forgotten anything ?


Is there anything  have I forgotten anything ?


Okay. Um so if we have the three presentations , and then if you have anything to kind of  that you know you're gonna want to discuss , maybe just make a note of it , and we'll have all the discussion at the end. That might be a better idea this time.


Okay. Um so if we have the three presentations , and then if you have anything to kind of  that you know you're gonna want to discuss , maybe just make a note of it , and we'll have all the discussion at the end. That might be a better idea this time.

And so if we start off uh with Andrew and then Craig and then David ,


And so if we start off uh with Andrew and then Craig and then David ,


Um and then after that we'll have to make some decisions about stuff , right .


Screwed in quite tightly. Uh what did  uh how did we leave it with speech recognition now ? We  did we say we were gonna try  maybe incorporate it but we hadn't made a definite decision on that ?


Screwed in quite tightly. Uh what did  uh how did we leave it with speech recognition now ? We  did we say we were gonna try  maybe incorporate it but we hadn't made a definite decision on that ?

Right. Oh I should also point out that um the you know the kind of final objective of this meeting is to reach a decision on the concepts of the product.


Right. Oh I should also point out that um the you know the kind of final objective of this meeting is to reach a decision on the concepts of the product.

So um  that's kind of the end result hopefully.


Right. Oh I should also point out that um the you know the kind of final objective of this meeting is to reach a decision on the concepts of the product.

So um  that's kind of the end result hopefully.

Okay. Um alright so c is it function F_ eight ?


So um  that's kind of the end result hopefully.

Okay. Um alright so c is it function F_ eight ?

Uh-huh. Hopefully appear in a wee second.


Okay. Um alright so c is it function F_ eight ?

Uh-huh. Hopefully appear in a wee second.


Uh-huh. Hopefully appear in a wee second.

Okay great s so let me just start this.  Okay great. So um  uh s move on. Uh-huh  oh where'd it all go ?


Okay great s so let me just start this.  Okay great. So um  uh s move on. Uh-huh  oh where'd it all go ?


Okay great s so let me just start this.  Okay great. So um  uh s move on. Uh-huh  oh where'd it all go ?

It's not good. Okay lemme just see where I can find it. This looks more like it. I think I just opened up the template.


It's not good. Okay lemme just see where I can find it. This looks more like it. I think I just opened up the template.

Sorry about that. Okay alright so let's have a look here.


Sorry about that. Okay alright so let's have a look here.

Okay so this was the method that um I've taken. Uh basically what I wanna do here , before we get into it uh too far , is I want to show you all the background information I have that I think we need to acknowledge if we want this to be successful.


Okay so this was the method that um I've taken. Uh basically what I wanna do here , before we get into it uh too far , is I want to show you all the background information I have that I think we need to acknowledge if we want this to be successful.

And uh and then sorta g go through some of the way that I've dealt with that information , and then sort of bring us all together into it to see  sorta see how this fits in with the overall vision. Um so I've tried to take a whole lot of market research and summarise it for us , and then ide identify uh trends that are are sort of in sync and are important to our our uh p project plan that we have so far , and then uh initiate a kind of discussion on design options so that it sorta helps us to to narrow in on on aspects that will inform other uh other elements of the of the project. Does that make sense , tha that sort of strategy ?


And uh and then sorta g go through some of the way that I've dealt with that information , and then sort of bring us all together into it to see  sorta see how this fits in with the overall vision. Um so I've tried to take a whole lot of market research and summarise it for us , and then ide identify uh trends that are are sort of in sync and are important to our our uh p project plan that we have so far , and then uh initiate a kind of discussion on design options so that it sorta helps us to to narrow in on on aspects that will inform other uh other elements of the of the project. Does that make sense , tha that sort of strategy ?


And uh and then sorta g go through some of the way that I've dealt with that information , and then sort of bring us all together into it to see  sorta see how this fits in with the overall vision. Um so I've tried to take a whole lot of market research and summarise it for us , and then ide identify uh trends that are are sort of in sync and are important to our our uh p project plan that we have so far , and then uh initiate a kind of discussion on design options so that it sorta helps us to to narrow in on on aspects that will inform other uh other elements of the of the project. Does that make sense , tha that sort of strategy ?

I thought that that will impact on the rest of what we do , so that's why I suggested we get in this.


I thought that that will impact on the rest of what we do , so that's why I suggested we get in this.


I thought that that will impact on the rest of what we do , so that's why I suggested we get in this.

Okay so out of um different uh figures and ratings ob uh of people in general , um consumers in general , the number one thing that was found was that uh the br t television remote control , a fancy look and feel , okay , and not , it specified , not a functional look or or feel , uh b f f fancy.


Okay so out of um different uh figures and ratings ob uh of people in general , um consumers in general , the number one thing that was found was that uh the br t television remote control , a fancy look and feel , okay , and not , it specified , not a functional look or or feel , uh b f f fancy.

Um however , this is where we kinda have to be very , I think , creative about it. Number two was that it be innovative. Okay so that tells me that we have to find a way to be innovative without a adding just unnecessary um sort of functional bits to it. Uh and third priority uh for ease of use , so again that kind of gives us a general picture of how it has to be , um  quite user friendly while still having technology. So it  I'll just say right away as a bit of a foreshadowing into how we proceed with this in terms of m marketing , is that I think um  what we should think about is how the um  about how the innovation uh contributes to the look and feel , and not so much to the functionality of it.


Um however , this is where we kinda have to be very , I think , creative about it. Number two was that it be innovative. Okay so that tells me that we have to find a way to be innovative without a adding just unnecessary um sort of functional bits to it. Uh and third priority uh for ease of use , so again that kind of gives us a general picture of how it has to be , um  quite user friendly while still having technology. So it  I'll just say right away as a bit of a foreshadowing into how we proceed with this in terms of m marketing , is that I think um  what we should think about is how the um  about how the innovation uh contributes to the look and feel , and not so much to the functionality of it.

For example like when you pick it up and push it like it all lights up or something , you know what I mean , like , or it's got something else to it that just seems innovative


For example like when you pick it up and push it like it all lights up or something , you know what I mean , like , or it's got something else to it that just seems innovative

because obviously the thing that  the message here is ease of use. So how do you make innovation make something more  more easy to use ? Well that's I guess where we're gonna go with this.


because obviously the thing that  the message here is ease of use. So how do you make innovation make something more  more easy to use ? Well that's I guess where we're gonna go with this.

Okay then there's the other aspect of the back the the market um research I have here is on fashion style , okay , which as we've agreed is a priority. Uh top European fashion trend um  that I read about says there's this emerging theme of fruit and vegetables , okay ,


because obviously the thing that  the message here is ease of use. So how do you make innovation make something more  more easy to use ? Well that's I guess where we're gonna go with this.

Okay then there's the other aspect of the back the the market um research I have here is on fashion style , okay , which as we've agreed is a priority. Uh top European fashion trend um  that I read about says there's this emerging theme of fruit and vegetables , okay ,

especially in clothes and furniture. And when I first saw that I thought hmm , well do we want to actually try and think about this trend and how we add something to it , or we get right into it , or we completely steer away from it ,


Okay then there's the other aspect of the back the the market um research I have here is on fashion style , okay , which as we've agreed is a priority. Uh top European fashion trend um  that I read about says there's this emerging theme of fruit and vegetables , okay ,

especially in clothes and furniture. And when I first saw that I thought hmm , well do we want to actually try and think about this trend and how we add something to it , or we get right into it , or we completely steer away from it ,


Okay then there's the other aspect of the back the the market um research I have here is on fashion style , okay , which as we've agreed is a priority. Uh top European fashion trend um  that I read about says there's this emerging theme of fruit and vegetables , okay ,

especially in clothes and furniture. And when I first saw that I thought hmm , well do we want to actually try and think about this trend and how we add something to it , or we get right into it , or we completely steer away from it ,

do you know what I mean ? So my my feeling is that we w do want to observe this trend , but we want to think also about the fact that it sort of has to fit in with something which is not specifically electronics. Um 'cause I think what we're in what we're in is partly sort of home decor , partly something like a computer , um  so I think we might wanna be careful about how you know how quickly we create like a remote control in the shape of an apple or something ,


especially in clothes and furniture. And when I first saw that I thought hmm , well do we want to actually try and think about this trend and how we add something to it , or we get right into it , or we completely steer away from it ,

do you know what I mean ? So my my feeling is that we w do want to observe this trend , but we want to think also about the fact that it sort of has to fit in with something which is not specifically electronics. Um 'cause I think what we're in what we're in is partly sort of home decor , partly something like a computer , um  so I think we might wanna be careful about how you know how quickly we create like a remote control in the shape of an apple or something ,


do you know what I mean ? So my my feeling is that we w do want to observe this trend , but we want to think also about the fact that it sort of has to fit in with something which is not specifically electronics. Um 'cause I think what we're in what we're in is partly sort of home decor , partly something like a computer , um  so I think we might wanna be careful about how you know how quickly we create like a remote control in the shape of an apple or something ,

And then in terms of m material trends are for things to be soft and spongy and sort of , you might say ergonomic or or friendly to handle , which is  which also in indicated that last year this was this was not the case. So um probably a lot of the competition on the market will be still in last year's mode , so if we try and really capitalise on that , I think that'll be in our favour. Um  So these this is the summary of everything. Um style is number one uh thing in the in the market of who we're selling to. Uh innovative design technology's also a must in that it's seen  it'd be seen to be uh cutting edge , uh but ease of use t has to be insured throughout. That was like the number three thing. And then at the end there are vibrant natural colours um that's the way I interpreted it anyway , softness in materials , shape , and function , and so I've written at written at the bottom to give us sort of a context of discussion , Mac iPods ,


And then in terms of m material trends are for things to be soft and spongy and sort of , you might say ergonomic or or friendly to handle , which is  which also in indicated that last year this was this was not the case. So um probably a lot of the competition on the market will be still in last year's mode , so if we try and really capitalise on that , I think that'll be in our favour. Um  So these this is the summary of everything. Um style is number one uh thing in the in the market of who we're selling to. Uh innovative design technology's also a must in that it's seen  it'd be seen to be uh cutting edge , uh but ease of use t has to be insured throughout. That was like the number three thing. And then at the end there are vibrant natural colours um that's the way I interpreted it anyway , softness in materials , shape , and function , and so I've written at written at the bottom to give us sort of a context of discussion , Mac iPods ,

something which is , I'd have to say very high-tech , ten gigabytes , whatever , but when you hold it in your hand there's like no buttons.


something which is , I'd have to say very high-tech , ten gigabytes , whatever , but when you hold it in your hand there's like no buttons.

You know what a Mac iPod is ? I'm thinking however Mac iPod is sort of last year's because it's very hard and sort of glassy and glossy , so I'm thinking if we imagine that we're taking some of the features of a Mac iPod and we're then making it s more of like a more of like a comfortable type of  or more of like a   maybe more vibrant to friendly thing to have. Um and then so this is w with all that information what I'm what I'm suggesting in this slide here is that we we take these ideas , and as we get into more the more um  techni like sort of production side of things , that we think about shape , materials , and themes or series that go throughout. Sort of like a  I dunno like um we think of some kind of a thin theme that unifies it all , that we agree on , uh sorta like a marketing identity. Um  Does that make sense ? Yeah. So  so like I threw out a few ideas there just to kinda get us thinking along those lines like lemon , lime , I dunno , green colours , pe whatever , it's just an idea , 'cause I'm thinking that some of these ideas will seem quite coherent if we use them in terms of their  what people associate this  them with in terms of texture , shape , colours , things like that.


You know what a Mac iPod is ? I'm thinking however Mac iPod is sort of last year's because it's very hard and sort of glassy and glossy , so I'm thinking if we imagine that we're taking some of the features of a Mac iPod and we're then making it s more of like a more of like a comfortable type of  or more of like a   maybe more vibrant to friendly thing to have. Um and then so this is w with all that information what I'm what I'm suggesting in this slide here is that we we take these ideas , and as we get into more the more um  techni like sort of production side of things , that we think about shape , materials , and themes or series that go throughout. Sort of like a  I dunno like um we think of some kind of a thin theme that unifies it all , that we agree on , uh sorta like a marketing identity. Um  Does that make sense ? Yeah. So  so like I threw out a few ideas there just to kinda get us thinking along those lines like lemon , lime , I dunno , green colours , pe whatever , it's just an idea , 'cause I'm thinking that some of these ideas will seem quite coherent if we use them in terms of their  what people associate this  them with in terms of texture , shape , colours , things like that.

Like um the ones the ones which I'm most fond of in terms of giving like a theme to it would be like um like lemon or something like that , you know something which is , like you see a lot in in other areas. Like I see lots of websites and things that seem to associate with like lemon and lime and


Like um the ones the ones which I'm most fond of in terms of giving like a theme to it would be like um like lemon or something like that , you know something which is , like you see a lot in in other areas. Like I see lots of websites and things that seem to associate with like lemon and lime and


I'm thinking maybe we could incorporate some of these features into a fairly um   into something which is  which seems to have something to it which is almost gimmicky because like um like something to do with like lighting within it. Like you know just within the simple sense , when you pick up a phone and touch a button it uh lights up , q usually the buttons light up.


I'm thinking maybe we could incorporate some of these features into a fairly um   into something which is  which seems to have something to it which is almost gimmicky because like um like something to do with like lighting within it. Like you know just within the simple sense , when you pick up a phone and touch a button it uh lights up , q usually the buttons light up.

How can we build on that ? Maybe like it could light up in different colours or something or or people could buy the buy the control and then it comes with different like covers or something so.


How can we build on that ? Maybe like it could light up in different colours or something or or people could buy the buy the control and then it comes with different like covers or something so.


but uh hopefully we can we can revisit those ideas when we get into


but uh hopefully we can we can revisit those ideas when we get into

Um thank you for that. Uh Craig do you wanna


Um thank you for that. Uh Craig do you wanna


And so think of this concept. Um to research it I've um had a look on the the homepage again. It's provided me with more examples of um previously existing c remote controls. Um there's a wee bit of discussion about the other existing ones there , um so I've taken the um suggestions from them and tried to incorporate them into this um  So then this  we're looking for um suggestions on size th um size of control and the buttons , um the shape of the control , and whereabout the buttons should be located on the control.


And so think of this concept. Um to research it I've um had a look on the the homepage again. It's provided me with more examples of um previously existing c remote controls. Um there's a wee bit of discussion about the other existing ones there , um so I've taken the um suggestions from them and tried to incorporate them into this um  So then this  we're looking for um suggestions on size th um size of control and the buttons , um the shape of the control , and whereabout the buttons should be located on the control.

Um what I found from the research is that most the current controls are just basically big bricks with loads of buttons all over them. Um they're not very attractive to look at ,  and they're not very comfortable to hold , they're  I just hold 'em like big bricks , and they're very easily lost. Um they tend to be very dark colours , so if there are shadowy places down the side of couches you can't really see them.


Um what I found from the research is that most the current controls are just basically big bricks with loads of buttons all over them. Um they're not very attractive to look at ,  and they're not very comfortable to hold , they're  I just hold 'em like big bricks , and they're very easily lost. Um they tend to be very dark colours , so if there are shadowy places down the side of couches you can't really see them.

Um  the the controls themselves tend to use a very inconsistent colour scheme. Um for instance , the stand-by button isn't always red , uh it really should be. It's uh something the user then uh identify with. This is a red switch off , that's how it should be. Um I'm not sure if there's any other examples of that , but something to look out for. Um there's a problem that I've I've got couple of preferences for the the end control  um I get 'em with the the red colour button for stand-by and s the other examples of that  um   The buttons should be large. They shouldn't be tiny little things like you get on some mobile phones. They should be easy to press , very comfortable.  Um one of the examples given on the homepage was um  there's an up and down volume button but both of them have a V_ on them ,


Um  the the controls themselves tend to use a very inconsistent colour scheme. Um for instance , the stand-by button isn't always red , uh it really should be. It's uh something the user then uh identify with. This is a red switch off , that's how it should be. Um I'm not sure if there's any other examples of that , but something to look out for. Um there's a problem that I've I've got couple of preferences for the the end control  um I get 'em with the the red colour button for stand-by and s the other examples of that  um   The buttons should be large. They shouldn't be tiny little things like you get on some mobile phones. They should be easy to press , very comfortable.  Um one of the examples given on the homepage was um  there's an up and down volume button but both of them have a V_ on them ,

so the up volume button looks like it should be a down volume button , that's kinda confusing. Um should avoid s things like that. Um  if the the corporate colour scheme allows it we should have a very bright colour so that it can be easily identified anywhere.


so the up volume button looks like it should be a down volume button , that's kinda confusing. Um should avoid s things like that. Um  if the the corporate colour scheme allows it we should have a very bright colour so that it can be easily identified anywhere.

Um obviously trying trying to avoid being tacky there , but it could um tie-in very easily with your your lime and lemon idea.


so the up volume button looks like it should be a down volume button , that's kinda confusing. Um should avoid s things like that. Um  if the the corporate colour scheme allows it we should have a very bright colour so that it can be easily identified anywhere.

Um obviously trying trying to avoid being tacky there , but it could um tie-in very easily with your your lime and lemon idea.

Yeah. Okay , do we have a corporate colour scheme ?


Um obviously trying trying to avoid being tacky there , but it could um tie-in very easily with your your lime and lemon idea.

Yeah. Okay , do we have a corporate colour scheme ?


Yeah. Okay , do we have a corporate colour scheme ?

because like the website is yellow and there's a band at the bottom is yellow ,


because like the website is yellow and there's a band at the bottom is yellow ,


because like the website is yellow and there's a band at the bottom is yellow ,

so yellow , lemon , you know definitely food for thought there ,


so yellow , lemon , you know definitely food for thought there ,


any extra features we add beyond the basic ones should be m hidden , they shouldn't be on the   um shouldn't be visible without something be opened or some sort of special extra effort.


any extra features we add beyond the basic ones should be m hidden , they shouldn't be on the   um shouldn't be visible without something be opened or some sort of special extra effort.

Um if we did decide to go for voice activation  there sh should always be a button as alternative , possibly hidden in the the opened up section um making that something is wrong with it or with somebody's voice , maybe they got a cold or  Um  we should definitely avoid the big square block look. That's just wrong.


Um if we did decide to go for voice activation  there sh should always be a button as alternative , possibly hidden in the the opened up section um making that something is wrong with it or with somebody's voice , maybe they got a cold or  Um  we should definitely avoid the big square block look. That's just wrong.


Um if we did decide to go for voice activation  there sh should always be a button as alternative , possibly hidden in the the opened up section um making that something is wrong with it or with somebody's voice , maybe they got a cold or  Um  we should definitely avoid the big square block look. That's just wrong.

And um we got an email uh from I think it's the the research department ,  and they've said th the voice control um can now talk back if you ask it a question.


And um we got an email uh from I think it's the the research department ,  and they've said th the voice control um can now talk back if you ask it a question.


And um we got an email uh from I think it's the the research department ,  and they've said th the voice control um can now talk back if you ask it a question.

So it sh it could be good to have them um confirm any action you take


So it sh it could be good to have them um confirm any action you take

and  possibility. Right and these are problems I've had with it. Um I don't know where the slogan should go , or really what the slogan is. I think it's um , fashion into electronics.


and  possibility. Right and these are problems I've had with it. Um I don't know where the slogan should go , or really what the slogan is. I think it's um , fashion into electronics.

And we don't know how flexible the colour scheme is. I mean you say you wanted the the corporate colours , but they don't say you know if we can use any other colours at all or


And we don't know how flexible the colour scheme is. I mean you say you wanted the the corporate colours , but they don't say you know if we can use any other colours at all or


It's a shame the cable wasn't just in the middle   of the table ,


Do y do you wanna sit in the the line of sight of this um


Do y do you wanna sit in the the line of sight of this um

Yeah okay. Let me just get this going first.


Yeah okay. Let me just get this going first.


'Kay , that should be it. Okay um I guess the same thing again , I started with something very basic.


'Kay , that should be it. Okay um I guess the same thing again , I started with something very basic.

So just so you guys have some idea of what's involved in my process , um and then you can just work through it


'Kay , that should be it. Okay um I guess the same thing again , I started with something very basic.

So just so you guys have some idea of what's involved in my process , um and then you can just work through it

and we 'll either modify it or start from scratch um depending on what your needs are. Um the components are exactly the same.


So just so you guys have some idea of what's involved in my process , um and then you can just work through it

and we 'll either modify it or start from scratch um depending on what your needs are. Um the components are exactly the same.


and we 'll either modify it or start from scratch um depending on what your needs are. Um the components are exactly the same.

Um I think , like what you guys said , um the most input that's needed is basically in the user interface. The rest of the components um they do have an impact in terms of cost and complexity. Um like you said time to market was a problem , um and how many components are physically in there in cost. And the power is basically a factor of that. Um and the lower components , the power , the logic , the transmitter , and the infrared , um they affect you in terms of the size of your device , um and that would have some inte impact on how y I think more how you hold rather than um the actual use using the the remote control because um like we've said  we've defined , like we only want the basic things that  to be visible , and the rest of them we try to hide. So um you know it's just a matter of working out space.


Um I think , like what you guys said , um the most input that's needed is basically in the user interface. The rest of the components um they do have an impact in terms of cost and complexity. Um like you said time to market was a problem , um and how many components are physically in there in cost. And the power is basically a factor of that. Um and the lower components , the power , the logic , the transmitter , and the infrared , um they affect you in terms of the size of your device , um and that would have some inte impact on how y I think more how you hold rather than um the actual use using the the remote control because um like we've said  we've defined , like we only want the basic things that  to be visible , and the rest of them we try to hide. So um you know it's just a matter of working out space.

So I guess three things , um cost , um complexity , and the size. These are the three things that um will have an impact on you. So just go through it in the components. Um these are the options that are available to you , um I'm not very sure about the voice thing 'cause I got another email and it was in fact quite sketchy on what n the voice options are.


So I guess three things , um cost , um complexity , and the size. These are the three things that um will have an impact on you. So just go through it in the components. Um these are the options that are available to you , um I'm not very sure about the voice thing 'cause I got another email and it was in fact quite sketchy on what n the voice options are.

Um it said it could talk to you , but it never said anything about being able to listen. I it said something about a sensor but never clarified that.


Um it said it could talk to you , but it never said anything about being able to listen. I it said something about a sensor but never clarified that.


well I could see the other email that they sent you , um 'cause they got back to me with like different requirements  , or different offerings of what components availa Okay so your basic components are buttons ,


well I could see the other email that they sent you , um 'cause they got back to me with like different requirements  , or different offerings of what components availa Okay so your basic components are buttons ,

okay and you have a wheel available , like a mouse scroll wheel ,


okay and you have a wheel available , like a mouse scroll wheel ,


um I think these are quite standard things.


um I think these are quite standard things.

No um they're  well in the sense that these are all the options available for you. I'll explain to you the complexity and the cost thing again a bit later.


No um they're  well in the sense that these are all the options available for you. I'll explain to you the complexity and the cost thing again a bit later.

Okay um then there's um how the case actually looks. It can actually be flat or it can be curved , um and then the different types of materials that you can use , um I don't think you can use them in a combination , um but um


Okay um then there's um how the case actually looks. It can actually be flat or it can be curved , um and then the different types of materials that you can use , um I don't think you can use them in a combination , um but um

I could check back for you , but I don't think you can actually use them in a combination.


Okay um then there's um how the case actually looks. It can actually be flat or it can be curved , um and then the different types of materials that you can use , um I don't think you can use them in a combination , um but um

I could check back for you , but I don't think you can actually use them in a combination.

We  you couldn't have like plastic and rubber ?


I could check back for you , but I don't think you can actually use them in a combination.

We  you couldn't have like plastic and rubber ?

Um I think plastic and rubber would be fine , but plastic , rubber , and wood , I wasn't  I'm not very sure about the titanium.


We  you couldn't have like plastic and rubber ?

Um I think plastic and rubber would be fine , but plastic , rubber , and wood , I wasn't  I'm not very sure about the titanium.

They had some restrictions on using the rubber and the titanium.


Um I think plastic and rubber would be fine , but plastic , rubber , and wood , I wasn't  I'm not very sure about the titanium.

They had some restrictions on using the rubber and the titanium.


They had some restrictions on using the rubber and the titanium.

Um the rubber was a restriction on the kind of power source you could use ,


Um the rubber was a restriction on the kind of power source you could use ,

but the titanium had a different kind of things on the shape of the thing ,


but the titanium had a different kind of things on the shape of the thing ,

so I think that there is some restriction on um  I think you could probably group plastic and rubber together , wood and titanium ,


so I think that there is some restriction on um  I think you could probably group plastic and rubber together , wood and titanium ,

but you know it might be easier from a cost perspective and a complexity just to use one.


but you know it might be easier from a cost perspective and a complexity just to use one.


Um and the other components are logic chips , um again I'll I'll go back to the component chips. The com how complex or how easy the logic is , it depends on how many functions you have on the on the unit um and that impacts cost. Um I don't think the logic chip has a issue about size 'cause they should be about the same size.


Um and the other components are logic chips , um again I'll I'll go back to the component chips. The com how complex or how easy the logic is , it depends on how many functions you have on the on the unit um and that impacts cost. Um I don't think the logic chip has a issue about size 'cause they should be about the same size.

Power consumption should be about the same. Um I think the main impact is complexity ,


Power consumption should be about the same. Um I think the main impact is complexity ,

um and the other thing is um the power options. Um the first one is a standard battery. Okay the second one I think is more of a gimmick then actually a useable thing , it's a wind-up  you know , a crank .


Power consumption should be about the same. Um I think the main impact is complexity ,

um and the other thing is um the power options. Um the first one is a standard battery. Okay the second one I think is more of a gimmick then actually a useable thing , it's a wind-up  you know , a crank .

I'll clear one of these things for you. Just by moving it yeah.


um and the other thing is um the power options. Um the first one is a standard battery. Okay the second one I think is more of a gimmick then actually a useable thing , it's a wind-up  you know , a crank .

I'll clear one of these things for you. Just by moving it yeah.


um and the other thing is um the power options. Um the first one is a standard battery. Okay the second one I think is more of a gimmick then actually a useable thing , it's a wind-up  you know , a crank .

I'll clear one of these things for you. Just by moving it yeah.

Yeah but that that might be something   I think that's more of a look and feel decision because I don't think you can have one power source if you're using the alternative power sources. I think whatever it is you still need a battery 'cause I don't think anybody wants to keep doing one thing.


I'll clear one of these things for you. Just by moving it yeah.

Yeah but that that might be something   I think that's more of a look and feel decision because I don't think you can have one power source if you're using the alternative power sources. I think whatever it is you still need a battery 'cause I don't think anybody wants to keep doing one thing.


Yeah but that that might be something   I think that's more of a look and feel decision because I don't think you can have one power source if you're using the alternative power sources. I think whatever it is you still need a battery 'cause I don't think anybody wants to keep doing one thing.


Yeah but that that might be something   I think that's more of a look and feel decision because I don't think you can have one power source if you're using the alternative power sources. I think whatever it is you still need a battery 'cause I don't think anybody wants to keep doing one thing.

Okay the other ones are a solar powered cell ,


Okay the other ones are a solar powered cell ,


Okay the other ones are a solar powered cell ,

which may not be a great idea in Europe or  any country that has seasons 'cause half the year you'd be dead.


Okay the other ones are a solar powered cell ,

which may not be a great idea in Europe or  any country that has seasons 'cause half the year you'd be dead.

So like what I said , you probably need like a battery and something else.


which may not be a great idea in Europe or  any country that has seasons 'cause half the year you'd be dead.

So like what I said , you probably need like a battery and something else.


which may not be a great idea in Europe or  any country that has seasons 'cause half the year you'd be dead.

So like what I said , you probably need like a battery and something else.

Um and the kinetic one I guess for me is the most interesting one


So like what I said , you probably need like a battery and something else.

Um and the kinetic one I guess for me is the most interesting one


Um and the kinetic one I guess for me is the most interesting one

because it's movement and people like to fiddle with their  and it's a nice sales gimmick I think.


because it's movement and people like to fiddle with their  and it's a nice sales gimmick I think.

From a marketing gimmick it it's a technology thing ,


From a marketing gimmick it it's a technology thing ,

it's a shake it  it doesn't work , shake it , knock it or something. You know


it's a shake it  it doesn't work , shake it , knock it or something. You know


you have  you had those balls , you know those stress balls where you bounce the ball and it and it lights up and it goes ,


you have  you had those balls , you know those stress balls where you bounce the ball and it and it lights up and it goes ,

you know that might be a gimmick combined with rubber.


you know that might be a gimmick combined with rubber.


you know that might be a gimmick combined with rubber.

You know just to  if you get frustrated wi remote control you can throw it ,


You know just to  if you get frustrated wi remote control you can throw it ,

kind of  you know just uh you know um  so. Um okay


kind of  you know just uh you know um  so. Um okay


kind of  you know just uh you know um  so. Um okay

my  from my role , I don't think that personal preferences but role preferences , I think um something comfortable to hold , um small and slim


my  from my role , I don't think that personal preferences but role preferences , I think um something comfortable to hold , um small and slim


my  from my role , I don't think that personal preferences but role preferences , I think um something comfortable to hold , um small and slim

I guess that's more in the sense of  small and slim in terms of comfortable not so small you can't , you know like a phone or something , too small phone.


I guess that's more in the sense of  small and slim in terms of comfortable not so small you can't , you know like a phone or something , too small phone.

Um and the other thing is from a production point of view um the less components we use and the simpler the components means you reduce your cost and you increase your profit. Um and also the time to market and the complexity of developing designing and debugging it  um so.


Um and the other thing is from a production point of view um the less components we use and the simpler the components means you reduce your cost and you increase your profit. Um and also the time to market and the complexity of developing designing and debugging it  um so.


Um and the other thing is from a production point of view um the less components we use and the simpler the components means you reduce your cost and you increase your profit. Um and also the time to market and the complexity of developing designing and debugging it  um so.

Um okay let me just go back and talk about some of the restrictions.


Um okay let me just go back and talk about some of the restrictions.


Um okay let me just go back and talk about some of the restrictions.

Um  The user interface restrictions basically means that if you use more complicated features , like the buttons are standard okay , the L_C_D_ panel and the scroll wheel you need more complicated logic.  Um the case  okay with a rubber case you can't have the solar panels.


Um  The user interface restrictions basically means that if you use more complicated features , like the buttons are standard okay , the L_C_D_ panel and the scroll wheel you need more complicated logic.  Um the case  okay with a rubber case you can't have the solar panels.

Okay with the titanium case , let me just check that um ,


Um  The user interface restrictions basically means that if you use more complicated features , like the buttons are standard okay , the L_C_D_ panel and the scroll wheel you need more complicated logic.  Um the case  okay with a rubber case you can't have the solar panels.

Okay with the titanium case , let me just check that um ,

titanium case can't be curved , it has to be square.


Okay with the titanium case , let me just check that um ,

titanium case can't be curved , it has to be square.


Okay with the titanium case , let me just check that um ,

titanium case can't be curved , it has to be square.

Okay um there's no restriction on the plastic , and


titanium case can't be curved , it has to be square.

Okay um there's no restriction on the plastic , and


Okay um there's no restriction on the plastic , and


So that's again , I don't think you can use them in a combination , um especially the titanium


So that's again , I don't think you can use them in a combination , um especially the titanium

I I suspect they're very fixed to a particular need.


I I suspect they're very fixed to a particular need.

So um  mixing them may not be a good idea um yep. That's it.


So um  mixing them may not be a good idea um yep. That's it.


So um  mixing them may not be a good idea um yep. That's it.

Yeah well yeah it's just I'm quite keen to get the discussion going with the time we've left so  but yeah you c ask away.


Yeah well yeah it's just I'm quite keen to get the discussion going with the time we've left so  but yeah you c ask away.

Okay. Can we uh power a light in this ? Can we get a strong enough battery to power a light ?


Yeah well yeah it's just I'm quite keen to get the discussion going with the time we've left so  but yeah you c ask away.

Okay. Can we uh power a light in this ? Can we get a strong enough battery to power a light ?

Um I think we could because the L_C_D_ panel requires power , and the L_C_D_ is a form of a light


Okay. Can we uh power a light in this ? Can we get a strong enough battery to power a light ?

Um I think we could because the L_C_D_ panel requires power , and the L_C_D_ is a form of a light


Um I think we could because the L_C_D_ panel requires power , and the L_C_D_ is a form of a light


So maybe one of the things we can just try and include is a really good battery.


So maybe one of the things we can just try and include is a really good battery.

Why what kind of light do you want  are you thinking of ?


So maybe one of the things we can just try and include is a really good battery.

Why what kind of light do you want  are you thinking of ?

Well  I mean I'm thinking it might be  That  for uh this to be a high-tech thing it's gonna have to have something high-tech about it


Why what kind of light do you want  are you thinking of ?

Well  I mean I'm thinking it might be  That  for uh this to be a high-tech thing it's gonna have to have something high-tech about it

and that's gonna take battery power , and to make that to make that a realistic goal I think one of the issues that will come up later is , can the battery power it ?


Well  I mean I'm thinking it might be  That  for uh this to be a high-tech thing it's gonna have to have something high-tech about it

and that's gonna take battery power , and to make that to make that a realistic goal I think one of the issues that will come up later is , can the battery power it ?

Are you thinking are you thinking of of a light in the sense of um a light light , or a light in the sense of it glows kind of you know Frankenstein , it's alive.


and that's gonna take battery power , and to make that to make that a realistic goal I think one of the issues that will come up later is , can the battery power it ?

Are you thinking are you thinking of of a light in the sense of um a light light , or a light in the sense of it glows kind of you know Frankenstein , it's alive.

Illuminate the buttons. Yeah it glows. Well m I'm thinking along the lines of you're you're in the dark watching a D_V_D_ and you um you find the thing in the dark and you go like this ,


Are you thinking are you thinking of of a light in the sense of um a light light , or a light in the sense of it glows kind of you know Frankenstein , it's alive.

Illuminate the buttons. Yeah it glows. Well m I'm thinking along the lines of you're you're in the dark watching a D_V_D_ and you um you find the thing in the dark and you go like this ,

and that's what everybody does. Oh where's the volume button in the dark ,


Illuminate the buttons. Yeah it glows. Well m I'm thinking along the lines of you're you're in the dark watching a D_V_D_ and you um you find the thing in the dark and you go like this ,

and that's what everybody does. Oh where's the volume button in the dark ,


and that's what everybody does. Oh where's the volume button in the dark ,


and that's what everybody does. Oh where's the volume button in the dark ,

and uh y you just touch it , or you just pick it up , and it lights up or something.


and uh y you just touch it , or you just pick it up , and it lights up or something.

Like a phone yeah , like the backlight in a phone.


Like a phone yeah , like the backlight in a phone.


Whereas with phones , people charge them once a week.


Whereas with phones , people charge them once a week.

We're gonna need to put in a really good battery so people don't have to charge their r remote control every few days.


Whereas with phones , people charge them once a week.

We're gonna need to put in a really good battery so people don't have to charge their r remote control every few days.

Um that's why I think the option of the the kinetic thing which basically means as long as you shake it like a watch , like an automatic watch


We're gonna need to put in a really good battery so people don't have to charge their r remote control every few days.

Um that's why I think the option of the the kinetic thing which basically means as long as you shake it like a watch , like an automatic watch


We're gonna need to put in a really good battery so people don't have to charge their r remote control every few days.

Um that's why I think the option of the the kinetic thing which basically means as long as you shake it like a watch , like an automatic watch

But are people gonna wanna shake their movie controller ?


Um that's why I think the option of the the kinetic thing which basically means as long as you shake it like a watch , like an automatic watch

But are people gonna wanna shake their movie controller ?

um it's probably sensitive enough when you fiddle it.


But are people gonna wanna shake their movie controller ?

um it's probably sensitive enough when you fiddle it.


um it's probably sensitive enough when you fiddle it.


like I said the bouncing ball thing , or you could trigger that to use that to power the light


so when they pick it up , right , and then that that sorta triggers the


let's just go right back to the marketing ideas for a start , and just giving an id idea on the time , we've got about fifteen minutes to play with at most. So um yeah so just t to bear in mind that the ultimate goal of this meeting is to reach an  decision on the the the concepts of the product.


let's just go right back to the marketing ideas for a start , and just giving an id idea on the time , we've got about fifteen minutes to play with at most. So um yeah so just t to bear in mind that the ultimate goal of this meeting is to reach an  decision on the the the concepts of the product.

So back to your idea about um incorporating the idea of like fruit and veg , and the corporate colour , and things like that.


So back to your idea about um incorporating the idea of like fruit and veg , and the corporate colour , and things like that.

Um I mean what does everybody think about


Um I mean what does everybody think about

Does anybody have any ideas of  about how we can fit all that in together ? I mean that's kind of the user interface type of thing , what are your thoughts on that ?


Um I mean what does everybody think about

Does anybody have any ideas of  about how we can fit all that in together ? I mean that's kind of the user interface type of thing , what are your thoughts on that ?

Um  I think we could go for like um   maybe not a p a fruit shape but a very sort of curvy type shape. Um you could have the same sort of texture and colour as a fruit.


Does anybody have any ideas of  about how we can fit all that in together ? I mean that's kind of the user interface type of thing , what are your thoughts on that ?

Um  I think we could go for like um   maybe not a p a fruit shape but a very sort of curvy type shape. Um you could have the same sort of texture and colour as a fruit.

So maybe  do y are we thinking something that like s could sit in your hand comfortably , or do you th you'd hold onto comfortably or


Does anybody have any ideas of  about how we can fit all that in together ? I mean that's kind of the user interface type of thing , what are your thoughts on that ?

Um  I think we could go for like um   maybe not a p a fruit shape but a very sort of curvy type shape. Um you could have the same sort of texture and colour as a fruit.

So maybe  do y are we thinking something that like s could sit in your hand comfortably , or do you th you'd hold onto comfortably or

Um probably something that s sits in your hand comfortably , sort of feels right in your hand.


Um  I think we could go for like um   maybe not a p a fruit shape but a very sort of curvy type shape. Um you could have the same sort of texture and colour as a fruit.

So maybe  do y are we thinking something that like s could sit in your hand comfortably , or do you th you'd hold onto comfortably or

Um probably something that s sits in your hand comfortably , sort of feels right in your hand.

So something quite curvy ? Okay um right okay. Colour-wise I mean you made a re uh was it you or uh I can't remember who made the point about how if you've a nice bright colour you'll not lose it , was that


So maybe  do y are we thinking something that like s could sit in your hand comfortably , or do you th you'd hold onto comfortably or

Um probably something that s sits in your hand comfortably , sort of feels right in your hand.

So something quite curvy ? Okay um right okay. Colour-wise I mean you made a re uh was it you or uh I can't remember who made the point about how if you've a nice bright colour you'll not lose it , was that


Um probably something that s sits in your hand comfortably , sort of feels right in your hand.

So something quite curvy ? Okay um right okay. Colour-wise I mean you made a re uh was it you or uh I can't remember who made the point about how if you've a nice bright colour you'll not lose it , was that


So something quite curvy ? Okay um right okay. Colour-wise I mean you made a re uh was it you or uh I can't remember who made the point about how if you've a nice bright colour you'll not lose it , was that


about how if you have a bright colour you'll not lose it so much.


about how if you have a bright colour you'll not lose it so much.

Um and when the corporate colour is yellow , I mean maybe we could think about about the colour of the whole product being yellow I don't know. Um


Um and when the corporate colour is yellow , I mean maybe we could think about about the colour of the whole product being yellow I don't know. Um

And then obviously the uh the materials  when it  has anybody got like an overall picture in their mind about what what might work ? That's all.


Um and when the corporate colour is yellow , I mean maybe we could think about about the colour of the whole product being yellow I don't know. Um

And then obviously the uh the materials  when it  has anybody got like an overall picture in their mind about what what might work ? That's all.

Well I mean I'm thinking that what we need to do is have something that kind of unifies a lot of the different concepts ,


And then obviously the uh the materials  when it  has anybody got like an overall picture in their mind about what what might work ? That's all.

Well I mean I'm thinking that what we need to do is have something that kind of unifies a lot of the different concepts ,


And then obviously the uh the materials  when it  has anybody got like an overall picture in their mind about what what might work ? That's all.

Well I mean I'm thinking that what we need to do is have something that kind of unifies a lot of the different concepts ,

and if we think that what we are w our number one marketing motive is um  the look and feel.


Well I mean I'm thinking that what we need to do is have something that kind of unifies a lot of the different concepts ,

and if we think that what we are w our number one marketing motive is um  the look and feel.


and if we think that what we are w our number one marketing motive is um  the look and feel.

So for the look and feel to seem coherent and not just sorta bits and bits and pieces of of concept and technology or or whatever or fashion , then we should have it kind of come back to one thing that we kind of all sorta can visualize. Um maybe what we could do is t th think about a concept which touches b back to the  on the um  the colour ,


So for the look and feel to seem coherent and not just sorta bits and bits and pieces of of concept and technology or or whatever or fashion , then we should have it kind of come back to one thing that we kind of all sorta can visualize. Um maybe what we could do is t th think about a concept which touches b back to the  on the um  the colour ,

you said company colour yellow. I mean if we think of something , like I was saying also lime and lemon you know ,


you said company colour yellow. I mean if we think of something , like I was saying also lime and lemon you know ,

what  can we come up with something where we we try and associate it with with like the series. We just come up with something like that we kind of use it as a theme to inspire the


what  can we come up with something where we we try and associate it with with like the series. We just come up with something like that we kind of use it as a theme to inspire the


Is there a particular shape that you're interested in ? Like does marketing have any research on  does it need to be long ?


Is there a particular shape that you're interested in ? Like does marketing have any research on  does it need to be long ?

Oh you know like in circular in shape or


Is there a particular shape that you're interested in ? Like does marketing have any research on  does it need to be long ?

Oh you know like in circular in shape or

Yeah 'cause that will n help narrow down the choice of


Oh you know like in circular in shape or

Yeah 'cause that will n help narrow down the choice of


Yeah 'cause that will n help narrow down the choice of

Like fruit.  I'm thinking fruits in my head , but that's tacky.


Like fruit.  I'm thinking fruits in my head , but that's tacky.

'Cause I I I was kinda thinking about as well  you know how you get these shock resistant mobile phones ,


Like fruit.  I'm thinking fruits in my head , but that's tacky.

'Cause I I I was kinda thinking about as well  you know how you get these shock resistant mobile phones ,

and they're plastic but then also have like rubber on the outside , and it kinda feels  it feels kind of warmer to the touch. It feels a bit more comfortable , and maybe we could incorporate plastic and rubber into it. And then then we could have curved shapes , 'cause wood or titanium , yeah , it's gonna have to be boxy and rectangular and I think we might be moving away from that you know so um   Well I'm  do we really want it in like the shape of a lemon or


'Cause I I I was kinda thinking about as well  you know how you get these shock resistant mobile phones ,

and they're plastic but then also have like rubber on the outside , and it kinda feels  it feels kind of warmer to the touch. It feels a bit more comfortable , and maybe we could incorporate plastic and rubber into it. And then then we could have curved shapes , 'cause wood or titanium , yeah , it's gonna have to be boxy and rectangular and I think we might be moving away from that you know so um   Well I'm  do we really want it in like the shape of a lemon or


and they're plastic but then also have like rubber on the outside , and it kinda feels  it feels kind of warmer to the touch. It feels a bit more comfortable , and maybe we could incorporate plastic and rubber into it. And then then we could have curved shapes , 'cause wood or titanium , yeah , it's gonna have to be boxy and rectangular and I think we might be moving away from that you know so um   Well I'm  do we really want it in like the shape of a lemon or


and they're plastic but then also have like rubber on the outside , and it kinda feels  it feels kind of warmer to the touch. It feels a bit more comfortable , and maybe we could incorporate plastic and rubber into it. And then then we could have curved shapes , 'cause wood or titanium , yeah , it's gonna have to be boxy and rectangular and I think we might be moving away from that you know so um   Well I'm  do we really want it in like the shape of a lemon or

It's more more just that we we think about like what it is we're trying to achieve , so and then we have one one sorta theme that we stick with.


It's more more just that we we think about like what it is we're trying to achieve , so and then we have one one sorta theme that we stick with.


It's more more just that we we think about like what it is we're trying to achieve , so and then we have one one sorta theme that we stick with.

so thoughts about the actual shape of the thing.


so thoughts about the actual shape of the thing.

I'd quite like a sort of uh snowman type shape.


so thoughts about the actual shape of the thing.

I'd quite like a sort of uh snowman type shape.

Um so a p sort of larger bit sits in your hand , and then you got maybe another bubble at the top for just any other function you need.


I'd quite like a sort of uh snowman type shape.

Um so a p sort of larger bit sits in your hand , and then you got maybe another bubble at the top for just any other function you need.

Uh-huh. That's quite a distinctive shape ,


Um so a p sort of larger bit sits in your hand , and then you got maybe another bubble at the top for just any other function you need.

Uh-huh. That's quite a distinctive shape ,


Uh-huh. That's quite a distinctive shape ,


Um can we yeah like to and wha like do you have a


Um can we yeah like to and wha like do you have a

Can you like  yeah just t we can visualize it.


Um can we yeah like to and wha like do you have a

Can you like  yeah just t we can visualize it.

Um something like that um you got two groups there um maybe it could fold up and you get a third group inside


Can you like  yeah just t we can visualize it.

Um something like that um you got two groups there um maybe it could fold up and you get a third group inside


Can you like  yeah just t we can visualize it.

Um something like that um you got two groups there um maybe it could fold up and you get a third group inside

or uh you have volume controls about there.


Um something like that um you got two groups there um maybe it could fold up and you get a third group inside

or uh you have volume controls about there.


or uh you have volume controls about there.


So call it the snowman-shape trademark . Yeah that's cool. Um and I mean colour-wise what does everybody think ? I think it is quite important to get yellow in there somewhere. I mean do you want the whole thing yellow , maybe like yellow and white  do you want something


So call it the snowman-shape trademark . Yeah that's cool. Um and I mean colour-wise what does everybody think ? I think it is quite important to get yellow in there somewhere. I mean do you want the whole thing yellow , maybe like yellow and white  do you want something

So I reckon it'd look quite nice if we just had um this  here , had a sorta background yellow ,


So I reckon it'd look quite nice if we just had um this  here , had a sorta background yellow ,

and then have sort of a nice bold colour for the buttons.


So I reckon it'd look quite nice if we just had um this  here , had a sorta background yellow ,

and then have sort of a nice bold colour for the buttons.

Okay cool. Um and also I mean how are we going to incorporate the slogan in ? The fact that it talks to you , I mean it might be quite cool if when you first start using it it says , what is it , putting fashion into electronics or something , I dunno. Or when you like  or if you turn it off or something  if it can speak if it could actually say the slogan it might be a bit more powerful than just having it written on it somewhere.


and then have sort of a nice bold colour for the buttons.

Okay cool. Um and also I mean how are we going to incorporate the slogan in ? The fact that it talks to you , I mean it might be quite cool if when you first start using it it says , what is it , putting fashion into electronics or something , I dunno. Or when you like  or if you turn it off or something  if it can speak if it could actually say the slogan it might be a bit more powerful than just having it written on it somewhere.


Okay cool. Um and also I mean how are we going to incorporate the slogan in ? The fact that it talks to you , I mean it might be quite cool if when you first start using it it says , what is it , putting fashion into electronics or something , I dunno. Or when you like  or if you turn it off or something  if it can speak if it could actually say the slogan it might be a bit more powerful than just having it written on it somewhere.

I think that'd probably scare me. You turn it on your control possessed s .


I think that'd probably scare me. You turn it on your control possessed s .

I know. Um unless an a I mean if you  also would that work if we wanted to incorporate um an L_C_D_ display , where would we put that ? Would we put that on the inside or


I know. Um unless an a I mean if you  also would that work if we wanted to incorporate um an L_C_D_ display , where would we put that ? Would we put that on the inside or


It's bound to increase the cost of it a lot , I would've thought.


It's bound to increase the cost of it a lot , I would've thought.

Yeah but the question is what are we using it


It's bound to increase the cost of it a lot , I would've thought.

Yeah but the question is what are we using it

what would we what would we achieve from it ? Putting in lights is cheap but putting in an L_C_D_ panel just to make it glow is a bit of a


Yeah but the question is what are we using it

what would we what would we achieve from it ? Putting in lights is cheap but putting in an L_C_D_ panel just to make it glow is a bit of a

Well  L_C_ well I'd  when you used to mention the L_C_D_ I'd think I wonder what that would be about. And the th the thing I could see it helping with would be if it was somehow connected with um listings.


what would we what would we achieve from it ? Putting in lights is cheap but putting in an L_C_D_ panel just to make it glow is a bit of a

Well  L_C_ well I'd  when you used to mention the L_C_D_ I'd think I wonder what that would be about. And the th the thing I could see it helping with would be if it was somehow connected with um listings.


what would we what would we achieve from it ? Putting in lights is cheap but putting in an L_C_D_ panel just to make it glow is a bit of a

Well  L_C_ well I'd  when you used to mention the L_C_D_ I'd think I wonder what that would be about. And the th the thing I could see it helping with would be if it was somehow connected with um listings.

So as you scroll through , 'cause we said we might have a jog dial , so as you scroll through your stations you can y it actually tells you what it is.


Well  L_C_ well I'd  when you used to mention the L_C_D_ I'd think I wonder what that would be about. And the th the thing I could see it helping with would be if it was somehow connected with um listings.

So as you scroll through , 'cause we said we might have a jog dial , so as you scroll through your stations you can y it actually tells you what it is.

Mm-hmm. I think that will be a problem because we don't have an input device to get the listings into it ,


So as you scroll through , 'cause we said we might have a jog dial , so as you scroll through your stations you can y it actually tells you what it is.

Mm-hmm. I think that will be a problem because we don't have an input device to get the listings into it ,


So as you scroll through , 'cause we said we might have a jog dial , so as you scroll through your stations you can y it actually tells you what it is.

Mm-hmm. I think that will be a problem because we don't have an input device to get the listings into it ,

so um it's a bit nuts to get the  Monday Tuesday Wednesday you know.


Mm-hmm. I think that will be a problem because we don't have an input device to get the listings into it ,

so um it's a bit nuts to get the  Monday Tuesday Wednesday you know.

Mm oh yeah that's true. Yeah. So so no need for an L_C_D_ display ?


so um it's a bit nuts to get the  Monday Tuesday Wednesday you know.

Mm oh yeah that's true. Yeah. So so no need for an L_C_D_ display ?


so um it's a bit nuts to get the  Monday Tuesday Wednesday you know.

Mm oh yeah that's true. Yeah. So so no need for an L_C_D_ display ?

Um I I'm not saying there's no need for an L_C_D_ display , but um it's  what's what what would it tell the user ,


Mm oh yeah that's true. Yeah. So so no need for an L_C_D_ display ?

Um I I'm not saying there's no need for an L_C_D_ display , but um it's  what's what what would it tell the user ,

I think that would make it very complex.


Um I I'm not saying there's no need for an L_C_D_ display , but um it's  what's what what would it tell the user ,

I think that would make it very complex.

'cause the L_C_D_ tends to be an output as uh as opposed to an input so um does the remote control need to talk back to the user ?


I think that would make it very complex.

'cause the L_C_D_ tends to be an output as uh as opposed to an input so um does the remote control need to talk back to the user ?


'cause the L_C_D_ tends to be an output as uh as opposed to an input so um does the remote control need to talk back to the user ?

We have the option of the speaker as well  the sa the same thing goes for the speaker , is there a need for the remote control to to talk back ?


We have the option of the speaker as well  the sa the same thing goes for the speaker , is there a need for the remote control to to talk back ?


I would say no need for a talk-back. Uh does anybody disagree with that ?


When the T_V_ dies you can play with the remote control .


When the T_V_ dies you can play with the remote control .

so you're gonna have the three different sets of of functionalities , um I mean do you wanna group them into s head of the snowman , body of the snowman , inside of the snowman , is that what you're thinking ?


so you're gonna have the three different sets of of functionalities , um I mean do you wanna group them into s head of the snowman , body of the snowman , inside of the snowman , is that what you're thinking ?

Um  well I think the advanced ones the the ones you don't usually use could be hid inside.