unfortunately we've got about five minutes here  to come up with our um remote control idea and start rolling with it. Um we've talked about our experiences with remote control and um we've got a couple ideas um. Let's see here. What if we had what if we had not only um  say we went with the ball the ball function um , but maybe we give it sort of grips along the side s um to make it easier to hold on to. So you know um s so it's easier to hold onto that way.


unfortunately we've got about five minutes here  to come up with our um remote control idea and start rolling with it. Um we've talked about our experiences with remote control and um we've got a couple ideas um. Let's see here. What if we had what if we had not only um  say we went with the ball the ball function um , but maybe we give it sort of grips along the side s um to make it easier to hold on to. So you know um s so it's easier to hold onto that way.

Course that'll then remove some of our our ball. Unless this unless this part were raised , so say the cover flips over and covers that part. So the grip is  No , that wouldn't work either um. But if we're gonna make it flat on the bottom , then that eliminates our ball anyways. So if it were flat on the bottom and then had the sorta grips on the side here I guess , um and then  flat uh  And then we have the problem with the hinge. So if we're flat on the bottom , it's not gonna roll away , it'll stay where we want.


unfortunately we've got about five minutes here  to come up with our um remote control idea and start rolling with it. Um we've talked about our experiences with remote control and um we've got a couple ideas um. Let's see here. What if we had what if we had not only um  say we went with the ball the ball function um , but maybe we give it sort of grips along the side s um to make it easier to hold on to. So you know um s so it's easier to hold onto that way.

Course that'll then remove some of our our ball. Unless this unless this part were raised , so say the cover flips over and covers that part. So the grip is  No , that wouldn't work either um. But if we're gonna make it flat on the bottom , then that eliminates our ball anyways. So if it were flat on the bottom and then had the sorta grips on the side here I guess , um and then  flat uh  And then we have the problem with the hinge. So if we're flat on the bottom , it's not gonna roll away , it'll stay where we want.

The question is also , I dunno , d do you really always want to open that thing when you have to use it ?


Course that'll then remove some of our our ball. Unless this unless this part were raised , so say the cover flips over and covers that part. So the grip is  No , that wouldn't work either um. But if we're gonna make it flat on the bottom , then that eliminates our ball anyways. So if it were flat on the bottom and then had the sorta grips on the side here I guess , um and then  flat uh  And then we have the problem with the hinge. So if we're flat on the bottom , it's not gonna roll away , it'll stay where we want.

The question is also , I dunno , d do you really always want to open that thing when you have to use it ?


Course that'll then remove some of our our ball. Unless this unless this part were raised , so say the cover flips over and covers that part. So the grip is  No , that wouldn't work either um. But if we're gonna make it flat on the bottom , then that eliminates our ball anyways. So if it were flat on the bottom and then had the sorta grips on the side here I guess , um and then  flat uh  And then we have the problem with the hinge. So if we're flat on the bottom , it's not gonna roll away , it'll stay where we want.

The question is also , I dunno , d do you really always want to open that thing when you have to use it ?

It's probably going to lie around opened all the time anyway , so I don't know if a lid is a good idea. From stabil stability point of view uh it certainly is , but also you have to face it and take into account the more of these things break by accident , uh the more we sell. So it's  don't make it too stable  uh.


The question is also , I dunno , d do you really always want to open that thing when you have to use it ?

It's probably going to lie around opened all the time anyway , so I don't know if a lid is a good idea. From stabil stability point of view uh it certainly is , but also you have to face it and take into account the more of these things break by accident , uh the more we sell. So it's  don't make it too stable  uh.

So we don't have it flip open. We just have a ball


It's probably going to lie around opened all the time anyway , so I don't know if a lid is a good idea. From stabil stability point of view uh it certainly is , but also you have to face it and take into account the more of these things break by accident , uh the more we sell. So it's  don't make it too stable  uh.

So we don't have it flip open. We just have a ball

But then maybe to go back to the to th s something along those things then.


So we don't have it flip open. We just have a ball

But then maybe to go back to the to th s something along those things then.


But then maybe to go back to the to th s something along those things then.


It looks cool , but it's really not  it's not functional um.


It looks cool , but it's really not  it's not functional um.

So we've got our sort of keyboard kind. What if we flipped it around here , so that it were um  Sorry , that doesn't look anything like what you  had there. Um so it's up and down , you hold it this way.


So we've got our sort of keyboard kind. What if we flipped it around here , so that it were um  Sorry , that doesn't look anything like what you  had there. Um so it's up and down , you hold it this way.


So we've got our sort of keyboard kind. What if we flipped it around here , so that it were um  Sorry , that doesn't look anything like what you  had there. Um so it's up and down , you hold it this way.

Course then it's it's like the rectangular  again , only with a couple of jutting out points.


Course then it's it's like the rectangular  again , only with a couple of jutting out points.


Course then it's it's like the rectangular  again , only with a couple of jutting out points.

Question is what makes those game pads functional ? W I think that's pretty much the form for full hand. So it's a round shape underneath that makes it comfy ,


Question is what makes those game pads functional ? W I think that's pretty much the form for full hand. So it's a round shape underneath that makes it comfy ,


makes it nice , so that's the essential part. Except for that I think we'll not  probably not get a get away from some longer design.


makes it nice , so that's the essential part. Except for that I think we'll not  probably not get a get away from some longer design.

'Cause you also have to know which way around to point this thing.


'Cause you also have to know which way around to point this thing.


'Cause you also have to know which way around to point this thing.

because it doesn't have a cord , like joysticks do.


because it doesn't have a cord , like joysticks do.

that dif batteries  right , and  Batteries go weak as well , so um after a while you have to point it towards the uh towards the equipment you wanna control with it , right ? So , have to m show which is the front , which is the back.


because it doesn't have a cord , like joysticks do.

that dif batteries  right , and  Batteries go weak as well , so um after a while you have to point it towards the uh towards the equipment you wanna control with it , right ? So , have to m show which is the front , which is the back.

Is it possible to have it to where it would work with a like a sensor on either side ? So that either way you're pointing it it would work.


because it doesn't have a cord , like joysticks do.

that dif batteries  right , and  Batteries go weak as well , so um after a while you have to point it towards the uh towards the equipment you wanna control with it , right ? So , have to m show which is the front , which is the back.

Is it possible to have it to where it would work with a like a sensor on either side ? So that either way you're pointing it it would work.

I suppose you could do that. O of course the more technology you stick in that , the more it'll cost , so.


that dif batteries  right , and  Batteries go weak as well , so um after a while you have to point it towards the uh towards the equipment you wanna control with it , right ? So , have to m show which is the front , which is the back.

Is it possible to have it to where it would work with a like a sensor on either side ? So that either way you're pointing it it would work.

I suppose you could do that. O of course the more technology you stick in that , the more it'll cost , so.


Is it possible to have it to where it would work with a like a sensor on either side ? So that either way you're pointing it it would work.

I suppose you could do that. O of course the more technology you stick in that , the more it'll cost , so.


I suppose you could do that. O of course the more technology you stick in that , the more it'll cost , so.


I mean of course it'll be evident after a while or  if you look at it , it'll it'll be evident which way around to point it , since you have the the numbers and the and the  the buttons and stuff ,


I mean of course it'll be evident after a while or  if you look at it , it'll it'll be evident which way around to point it , since you have the the numbers and the and the  the buttons and stuff ,

but um it's rather about an instinctual thing ,


but um it's rather about an instinctual thing ,

like you just grab it , you don't have to s look at it , you know , which way around to point it. Otherwise the design of  or the the point of putting two sensors on both sides um would probably work.


but um it's rather about an instinctual thing ,

like you just grab it , you don't have to s look at it , you know , which way around to point it. Otherwise the design of  or the the point of putting two sensors on both sides um would probably work.

Even if you designed it  in some  in a way that you know , isn't a rectangle , but still pointed in a direction that had definite points. So if that's your thing and you got something like that instead ,


like you just grab it , you don't have to s look at it , you know , which way around to point it. Otherwise the design of  or the the point of putting two sensors on both sides um would probably work.

Even if you designed it  in some  in a way that you know , isn't a rectangle , but still pointed in a direction that had definite points. So if that's your thing and you got something like that instead ,


like you just grab it , you don't have to s look at it , you know , which way around to point it. Otherwise the design of  or the the point of putting two sensors on both sides um would probably work.

Even if you designed it  in some  in a way that you know , isn't a rectangle , but still pointed in a direction that had definite points. So if that's your thing and you got something like that instead ,

and there's your s you kn you know which way you're gonna pointing it.


Even if you designed it  in some  in a way that you know , isn't a rectangle , but still pointed in a direction that had definite points. So if that's your thing and you got something like that instead ,

and there's your s you kn you know which way you're gonna pointing it.


and there's your s you kn you know which way you're gonna pointing it.


and there's your s you kn you know which way you're gonna pointing it.

Sorry to interrupt , but we have a warning to finish.


Sorry to interrupt , but we have a warning to finish.


Okay , well , just to finish up , should we s go with this plan , start making some  Are good ideas , what are not.


it says on there what we need to do for the next meeting , I think.


it says on there what we need to do for the next meeting , I think.

And then marketing will look and see what uh what people want.


And then marketing will look and see what uh what people want.


Okay. And Project Manager will design a better meeting for next  time around , be a little bit more prepared.


Well , let's begin. Because if we have as much time as the last uh meeting , we'll have to hurry up.


Well , let's begin. Because if we have as much time as the last uh meeting , we'll have to hurry up.

Um well I'll start with the presentation again , the agenda.


Um well I'll start with the presentation again , the agenda.


Um well I'll start with the presentation again , the agenda.

Uh yeah. Well alright. Um well , I'll show you the notes. It's not as uh interesting as it should be because we just uh had the meeting ,


Uh yeah. Well alright. Um well , I'll show you the notes. It's not as uh interesting as it should be because we just uh had the meeting ,

but I'll show them. We'll get your presentations again on the conceptual design. Um  Then we'll have to dec decide about the control , the remote control concepts. I've put a f uh a file in the project management folder , which says exactly uh what kind of decisions we should take.


Uh yeah. Well alright. Um well , I'll show you the notes. It's not as uh interesting as it should be because we just uh had the meeting ,

but I'll show them. We'll get your presentations again on the conceptual design. Um  Then we'll have to dec decide about the control , the remote control concepts. I've put a f uh a file in the project management folder , which says exactly uh what kind of decisions we should take.

So  this time we exactly know what to decide about.


but I'll show them. We'll get your presentations again on the conceptual design. Um  Then we'll have to dec decide about the control , the remote control concepts. I've put a f uh a file in the project management folder , which says exactly uh what kind of decisions we should take.

So  this time we exactly know what to decide about.


So  this time we exactly know what to decide about.


Uh  Well these are some examples , but we'll talk about them later. We'll  first look at your uh presentations. Alright ?


Right. I will speak about uh latest trends trends , latest fashion updates , and uh things we must not do.


Right. I will speak about uh latest trends trends , latest fashion updates , and uh things we must not do.

Uh the trends.  It's very important that uh the control is fancy looking and good uh feeling. Uh this because of our last model was very functional , but  it uh people didn't like that , so our new mo model must be very good-looking. That's uh something you uh have to take a look at.


Uh the trends.  It's very important that uh the control is fancy looking and good uh feeling. Uh this because of our last model was very functional , but  it uh people didn't like that , so our new mo model must be very good-looking. That's uh something you uh have to take a look at.

And uh the feeling has to be very great. Also the menus and things like that they have to they have to feel great.


And uh the feeling has to be very great. Also the menus and things like that they have to they have to feel great.

Um there's a minus uh two times here , because this is the most important point. This is uh two times as less important ,


Um there's a minus uh two times here , because this is the most important point. This is uh two times as less important ,

and uh same for this one.  Um , technological technological innovations , that's uh regarded very highly too.


Um there's a minus uh two times here , because this is the most important point. This is uh two times as less important ,

and uh same for this one.  Um , technological technological innovations , that's uh regarded very highly too.

Uh such as an uh L_C_D_ screen , uh speech uh acknowledgement , as we uh talked about earlier.


and uh same for this one.  Um , technological technological innovations , that's uh regarded very highly too.

Uh such as an uh L_C_D_ screen , uh speech uh acknowledgement , as we uh talked about earlier.


and uh same for this one.  Um , technological technological innovations , that's uh regarded very highly too.

Uh such as an uh L_C_D_ screen , uh speech uh acknowledgement , as we uh talked about earlier.

So we have to have uh something like that , like we uh


Uh such as an uh L_C_D_ screen , uh speech uh acknowledgement , as we uh talked about earlier.

So we have to have uh something like that , like we uh


So we have to have uh something like that , like we uh

Right.  Uh the last point is easy to use. Well I think that uh speaks for s for itself. I don't know who's uh who's going to look at that.


Right.  Uh the last point is easy to use. Well I think that uh speaks for s for itself. I don't know who's uh who's going to look at that.

Well , easy to use uh s is a bit uh contradictionary with the first uh


Well , easy to use uh s is a bit uh contradictionary with the first uh


Well , easy to use uh s is a bit uh contradictionary with the first uh

Functional is not an issue , and then easy to use.


Functional is not an issue , and then easy to use.


Functional is not an issue , and then easy to use.

I think we have to go for the first one.


I think we have to go for the first one.


I think we have to go for the first one.

It's the most important one. So  we have to uh take that one.


It's the most important one. So  we have to uh take that one.


It's the most important one. So  we have to uh take that one.

So it it  it isn't very important that  that it works easy.


It's the most important one. So  we have to uh take that one.

So it it  it isn't very important that  that it works easy.

Well something fancy looking can be can be easy to use.


So it it  it isn't very important that  that it works easy.

Well something fancy looking can be can be easy to use.


Well something fancy looking can be can be easy to use.


you can make a very complicated uh uh remote anyway , so ease of use   It's not a very comp complicated device.


you can make a very complicated uh uh remote anyway , so ease of use   It's not a very comp complicated device.

Yeah , right. But the most important thing is that it looks great and people say  wow , that's real great uh great concept.


Yeah , right. But the most important thing is that it looks great and people say  wow , that's real great uh great concept.

Alright. Uh these are the new colours of this year.


Alright. Uh these are the new colours of this year.

So it must be very bright , very colourful.


Alright. Uh these are the new colours of this year.

So it must be very bright , very colourful.

So we we have to think uh in this direction.


So it must be very bright , very colourful.

So we we have to think uh in this direction.


So we we have to think uh in this direction.


Findings ? Fashion update ? Fruit and vegetables are cool.


Findings ? Fashion update ? Fruit and vegetables are cool.

The group we are targeting is uh very pleased with fruit and vegetables.


The group we are targeting is uh very pleased with fruit and vegetables.

So  we we we might cons consider in front of uh in in that sort of uh way.


So  we we we might cons consider in front of uh in in that sort of uh way.

Uh furthermore uh material , that's your part , should be very strong. I was thinking of something like uh  well uh iron plate over it ,


Uh furthermore uh material , that's your part , should be very strong. I was thinking of something like uh  well uh iron plate over it ,


that looks so f really flashy but it it is also strong.


that looks so f really flashy but it it is also strong.

And that's uh also for the younger public.


that looks so f really flashy but it it is also strong.

And that's uh also for the younger public.

Well the the handy thing about our fronts is that we can follow these trends e ev every year. Th this year it's fruits but next year it's it's something totally different.


And that's uh also for the younger public.

Well the the handy thing about our fronts is that we can follow these trends e ev every year. Th this year it's fruits but next year it's it's something totally different.


Well the the handy thing about our fronts is that we can follow these trends e ev every year. Th this year it's fruits but next year it's it's something totally different.

But I think we can all make the the fronts of titanium or something uh really thin.


But I think we can all make the the fronts of titanium or something uh really thin.


But I think we can all make the the fronts of titanium or something uh really thin.

So it looks very heavy but you can still uh use it very easily.


So it looks very heavy but you can still uh use it very easily.


So it looks very heavy but you can still uh use it very easily.

Well , the don'ts. Older people like dark colours and simple shapes. Well we don't want uh older people ,


Well , the don'ts. Older people like dark colours and simple shapes. Well we don't want uh older people ,


We're gonna have real uh cool shapes and lots of colours. Right ?


Right , I am going to tell you something about the components design. Uh again I have uh put up the specification properties. This uh so um uh the different uh components of the of of the device. And the materials ? Um I have heard several things , so I uh I'll have to change that on the way. But uh the case ? Uh I suggested uh in the previous meeting hard plastic. But uh as you indicated uh it should be strong.


Right , I am going to tell you something about the components design. Uh again I have uh put up the specification properties. This uh so um uh the different uh components of the of of the device. And the materials ? Um I have heard several things , so I uh I'll have to change that on the way. But uh the case ? Uh I suggested uh in the previous meeting hard plastic. But uh as you indicated uh it should be strong.

It should feel strong. So maybe plastic is not uh sufficient.


It should feel strong. So maybe plastic is not uh sufficient.


Well yeah. Y Hard plastic i is of course uh pretty pretty tough , but it doesn't have a really really tough look. So


Well yeah. Y Hard plastic i is of course uh pretty pretty tough , but it doesn't have a really really tough look. So

But we still have to look at our price of course. Because uh if we want an L_C_D_ uh window etcetera uh


Well yeah. Y Hard plastic i is of course uh pretty pretty tough , but it doesn't have a really really tough look. So

But we still have to look at our price of course. Because uh if we want an L_C_D_ uh window etcetera uh

Yeah. Also  Yeah. Mm-hmm. But we'll return to that.


But we still have to look at our price of course. Because uh if we want an L_C_D_ uh window etcetera uh

Yeah. Also  Yeah. Mm-hmm. But we'll return to that.


But we still have to look at our price of course. Because uh if we want an L_C_D_ uh window etcetera uh

Yeah. Also  Yeah. Mm-hmm. But we'll return to that.

Uh the buttons of course rubber , I think everyone agrees. And electrical cables , copper is all pretty basic stuff. The chips made of silicon , I guess. I think that's the best uh way to do it.


Yeah. Also  Yeah. Mm-hmm. But we'll return to that.

Uh the buttons of course rubber , I think everyone agrees. And electrical cables , copper is all pretty basic stuff. The chips made of silicon , I guess. I think that's the best uh way to do it.

And infra infrared l LED is uh just a simple bulb.


Uh the buttons of course rubber , I think everyone agrees. And electrical cables , copper is all pretty basic stuff. The chips made of silicon , I guess. I think that's the best uh way to do it.

And infra infrared l LED is uh just a simple bulb.

Then I've uh  had a few findings , made a few findings. Uh the target audience product style. Um it's uh um generally the case that uh senior and wealthy people above uh forty five years old uh like , as you said , uh particularly the traditional materials as such as wood and materials such as that. They also like straightforward shapes and luxurious style. But of course that's not our uh things this. So this is things we must not do.


And infra infrared l LED is uh just a simple bulb.

Then I've uh  had a few findings , made a few findings. Uh the target audience product style. Um it's uh um generally the case that uh senior and wealthy people above uh forty five years old uh like , as you said , uh particularly the traditional materials as such as wood and materials such as that. They also like straightforward shapes and luxurious style. But of course that's not our uh things this. So this is things we must not do.

And then we have uh young uh and dynamic uh people , which is of course our uh group , the people we aim at. Um under forty five years old. Uh they like soft materials uh with primary colours. Soft materials is of course uh agai again a bit a contradiction with uh our uh material choice of what you said , that uh it should be hard an and and and and strong looking.


Then I've uh  had a few findings , made a few findings. Uh the target audience product style. Um it's uh um generally the case that uh senior and wealthy people above uh forty five years old uh like , as you said , uh particularly the traditional materials as such as wood and materials such as that. They also like straightforward shapes and luxurious style. But of course that's not our uh things this. So this is things we must not do.

And then we have uh young uh and dynamic uh people , which is of course our uh group , the people we aim at. Um under forty five years old. Uh they like soft materials uh with primary colours. Soft materials is of course uh agai again a bit a contradiction with uh our uh material choice of what you said , that uh it should be hard an and and and and strong looking.


And then we have uh young uh and dynamic uh people , which is of course our uh group , the people we aim at. Um under forty five years old. Uh they like soft materials uh with primary colours. Soft materials is of course uh agai again a bit a contradiction with uh our uh material choice of what you said , that uh it should be hard an and and and and strong looking.


And then we have uh young uh and dynamic uh people , which is of course our uh group , the people we aim at. Um under forty five years old. Uh they like soft materials uh with primary colours. Soft materials is of course uh agai again a bit a contradiction with uh our uh material choice of what you said , that uh it should be hard an and and and and strong looking.

But they like soft materials , uh so we might uh we have to consider that. And also they like curved round shapes. So not uh too formal like like uh the older people want. And if uh also a finding but not very ap applicable here , that sports and gaming devices such as uh discmans for jogging and that those kind of devices , gaming devices , should define the characteristics of the device. But uh since we don't have a really a sports or gaming device , so we don't really have to consider that.


But they like soft materials , uh so we might uh we have to consider that. And also they like curved round shapes. So not uh too formal like like uh the older people want. And if uh also a finding but not very ap applicable here , that sports and gaming devices such as uh discmans for jogging and that those kind of devices , gaming devices , should define the characteristics of the device. But uh since we don't have a really a sports or gaming device , so we don't really have to consider that.

Sports uh , they're uh that uh are accessible on on your L_C_D_ uh window uh


Sports uh , they're uh that uh are accessible on on your L_C_D_ uh window uh


Well I also have um several examples of uh styles ,


Well I also have um several examples of uh styles ,

so you can get a clear picture of uh what I mean.


so you can get a clear picture of uh what I mean.


so you can get a clear picture of uh what I mean.

Uh  these are the basic uh older older peoples' stuff.


Uh  these are the basic uh older older peoples' stuff.


Uh  these are the basic uh older older peoples' stuff.

It was not very uh interesting uh , very classical looking ,


It was not very uh interesting uh , very classical looking ,


We have these kind of things. I don't know what exactly they are.


We have these kind of things. I don't know what exactly they are.

It looks like  Well you know uh you recognise the shapes ,


We have these kind of things. I don't know what exactly they are.

It looks like  Well you know uh you recognise the shapes ,

it's very primary colours , uh bright colours and uh round shapes.


It looks like  Well you know uh you recognise the shapes ,

it's very primary colours , uh bright colours and uh round shapes.

You also uh  see uh this device , it's not very round and  Fruity of course. Yeah , it uh


it's very primary colours , uh bright colours and uh round shapes.

You also uh  see uh this device , it's not very round and  Fruity of course. Yeah , it uh


You also uh  see uh this device , it's not very round and  Fruity of course. Yeah , it uh


And uh well round shapes , primary colours.


And uh well round shapes , primary colours.

You can see it all here. And of course uh this famous device.


And uh well round shapes , primary colours.

You can see it all here. And of course uh this famous device.

I think as you know something uh some devices like this.


You can see it all here. And of course uh this famous device.

I think as you know something uh some devices like this.


I think as you know something uh some devices like this.


I think as you know something uh some devices like this.

Well it's got a strong look , this. Yeah.


Well it's got a strong look , this. Yeah.

This has a strong look. Although it's plastic , it's it's grey to to to give it iron look.


This has a strong look. Although it's plastic , it's it's grey to to to give it iron look.


But then you are losing your fruity colours.


But then you are losing your fruity colours.

Well you can make th th th that middle ring can you you can make another colour. So uh those kind of things you can you can combine.


Well you can make th th th that middle ring can you you can make another colour. So uh those kind of things you can you can combine.

Well we can't really make a round uh a round remote control. I don't think that's very practical ,


Well we can't really make a round uh a round remote control. I don't think that's very practical ,

but  But uh it's important to to uh to think about the colour.


but  But uh it's important to to uh to think about the colour.

Because if we make it grey or or silvery looking , it it does make it a lot more uh does make it looking a lot more stronger.


Because if we make it grey or or silvery looking , it it does make it a lot more uh does make it looking a lot more stronger.

'Cause if you look at this , it it doesn't look very very strong ,


'Cause if you look at this , it it doesn't look very very strong ,

becau But this is plastic , and and this too , but


'Cause if you look at this , it it doesn't look very very strong ,

becau But this is plastic , and and this too , but

But it doesn't have to look strong. The the results are , the feel of the material is expected to be strongy.


becau But this is plastic , and and this too , but

But it doesn't have to look strong. The the results are , the feel of the material is expected to be strongy.


But it doesn't have to look strong. The the results are , the feel of the material is expected to be strongy.


And it it doesn't have to be strong , also.


And it it doesn't have to be strong , also.

You you  Maybe you should have uh some some coloured titanium or something.


You you  Maybe you should have uh some some coloured titanium or something.


You you  Maybe you should have uh some some coloured titanium or something.

So it it looks pretty but it feels strong.


So it it looks pretty but it feels strong.


And I  Then I have some more findings. Um  uh about the energy energy source of the of the device ,


And I  Then I have some more findings. Um  uh about the energy energy source of the of the device ,

uh I uh suggest uh the basic battery. I uh got some other um uh uh energy sources of course. But solar energy is not very practical inside a house , because you don't have a have a lot of uh sun.


And I  Then I have some more findings. Um  uh about the energy energy source of the of the device ,

uh I uh suggest uh the basic battery. I uh got some other um uh uh energy sources of course. But solar energy is not very practical inside a house , because you don't have a have a lot of uh sun.

And uh kinetic and and and dynamos are are not very practical , I think , for uh for a simple remote ,


uh I uh suggest uh the basic battery. I uh got some other um uh uh energy sources of course. But solar energy is not very practical inside a house , because you don't have a have a lot of uh sun.

And uh kinetic and and and dynamos are are not very practical , I think , for uh for a simple remote ,

that's a bit , oh , that's a bit uh  That's a bit uh much.


And uh kinetic and and and dynamos are are not very practical , I think , for uh for a simple remote ,

that's a bit , oh , that's a bit uh  That's a bit uh much.

And I also suggest uh as a shape uh a double curved case.


that's a bit , oh , that's a bit uh  That's a bit uh much.

And I also suggest uh as a shape uh a double curved case.

Uh the disadvantage of that that you can use no titanium. That that's the information I received. If you use the curved case , uh a curved case , double curved then you can't use titanium.


And I also suggest uh as a shape uh a double curved case.

Uh the disadvantage of that that you can use no titanium. That that's the information I received. If you use the curved case , uh a curved case , double curved then you can't use titanium.

What do you exactly mean with double curved ?


And I also suggest uh as a shape uh a double curved case.

Uh the disadvantage of that that you can use no titanium. That that's the information I received. If you use the curved case , uh a curved case , double curved then you can't use titanium.

What do you exactly mean with double curved ?

Now uh this uh to give it a more modern look.


Uh the disadvantage of that that you can use no titanium. That that's the information I received. If you use the curved case , uh a curved case , double curved then you can't use titanium.

What do you exactly mean with double curved ?

Now uh this uh to give it a more modern look.

And uh  now the the shape , yeah ,  a curved case. Um yeah I think uh sort of triangle-shaped bottom or something. Uh  a more modern look not plain , long box style , but


What do you exactly mean with double curved ?

Now uh this uh to give it a more modern look.

And uh  now the the shape , yeah ,  a curved case. Um yeah I think uh sort of triangle-shaped bottom or something. Uh  a more modern look not plain , long box style , but


Now uh this uh to give it a more modern look.

And uh  now the the shape , yeah ,  a curved case. Um yeah I think uh sort of triangle-shaped bottom or something. Uh  a more modern look not plain , long box style , but


And uh  now the the shape , yeah ,  a curved case. Um yeah I think uh sort of triangle-shaped bottom or something. Uh  a more modern look not plain , long box style , but


And it makes uh it gives it a more u user friendly shape , than if you have uh . Um anyway


And it makes uh it gives it a more u user friendly shape , than if you have uh . Um anyway

Um f as uh for the buttons , simple push buttons. No uh otherwi uh no um difficult scroll things or some uh things like that , because it makes more complex and expensive. And , uh as we agreed , we don't use a speaker or a sensor or um  uh speak uh speech uh controlled  device.


And it makes uh it gives it a more u user friendly shape , than if you have uh . Um anyway

Um f as uh for the buttons , simple push buttons. No uh otherwi uh no um difficult scroll things or some uh things like that , because it makes more complex and expensive. And , uh as we agreed , we don't use a speaker or a sensor or um  uh speak uh speech uh controlled  device.

Because it makes it also more complex and expensive. But we do use an L_C_D_ screen , so we uh we do have to consider uh of we have to use a more advanced chip , which is more complex and expensive. But  It's worth the trouble I think ,


Um f as uh for the buttons , simple push buttons. No uh otherwi uh no um difficult scroll things or some uh things like that , because it makes more complex and expensive. And , uh as we agreed , we don't use a speaker or a sensor or um  uh speak uh speech uh controlled  device.

Because it makes it also more complex and expensive. But we do use an L_C_D_ screen , so we uh we do have to consider uh of we have to use a more advanced chip , which is more complex and expensive. But  It's worth the trouble I think ,


Because it makes it also more complex and expensive. But we do use an L_C_D_ screen , so we uh we do have to consider uh of we have to use a more advanced chip , which is more complex and expensive. But  It's worth the trouble I think ,

The buttons can be made of an uh a soft material.


The buttons can be made of an uh a soft material.


So that's uh basically what I want to talk about.


So that's uh basically what I want to talk about.

Alright. Okay. We will take that. And then uh Mike ? Okay.


So that's uh basically what I want to talk about.

Alright. Okay. We will take that. And then uh Mike ? Okay.

Yeah. Well um nah the method um we will um include the buttons as we discussed uh earlier. Um an L_C_D_ s screen will be implemented. Um we must decide where , this meeting.


So that's uh basically what I want to talk about.

Alright. Okay. We will take that. And then uh Mike ? Okay.

Yeah. Well um nah the method um we will um include the buttons as we discussed uh earlier. Um an L_C_D_ s screen will be implemented. Um we must decide where , this meeting.

Um there are new developments in speech recognition um systems ,  um and they are already being uh used on uh coffee machines. And um well they're cheap , so we could use them now.


Alright. Okay. We will take that. And then uh Mike ? Okay.

Yeah. Well um nah the method um we will um include the buttons as we discussed uh earlier. Um an L_C_D_ s screen will be implemented. Um we must decide where , this meeting.

Um there are new developments in speech recognition um systems ,  um and they are already being uh used on uh coffee machines. And um well they're cheap , so we could use them now.


Yeah. Well um nah the method um we will um include the buttons as we discussed uh earlier. Um an L_C_D_ s screen will be implemented. Um we must decide where , this meeting.

Um there are new developments in speech recognition um systems ,  um and they are already being uh used on uh coffee machines. And um well they're cheap , so we could use them now.

Um it's not really speech recognition , it's more um like you can um talk to the chip , uh record the message and record an answer , and then once you uh talk to the remote , then um he will a answer with the the prerecorded message that you left. So if I say hi Mike , and you have recorded uh hi Mike back , then you will get that.


Um there are new developments in speech recognition um systems ,  um and they are already being uh used on uh coffee machines. And um well they're cheap , so we could use them now.

Um it's not really speech recognition , it's more um like you can um talk to the chip , uh record the message and record an answer , and then once you uh talk to the remote , then um he will a answer with the the prerecorded message that you left. So if I say hi Mike , and you have recorded uh hi Mike back , then you will get that.


Um it's not really speech recognition , it's more um like you can um talk to the chip , uh record the message and record an answer , and then once you uh talk to the remote , then um he will a answer with the the prerecorded message that you left. So if I say hi Mike , and you have recorded uh hi Mike back , then you will get that.


Um it's not really speech recognition , it's more um like you can um talk to the chip , uh record the message and record an answer , and then once you uh talk to the remote , then um he will a answer with the the prerecorded message that you left. So if I say hi Mike , and you have recorded uh hi Mike back , then you will get that.

Okay. But you can also say that , when you say something , it does some function.


Okay. But you can also say that , when you say something , it does some function.


But  it has no functionality for our remote at all.


but that's the gadget they want , or the gimmicks.


Yes , we we should really uh include that one , I think. Um


Well , as I said uh earlier I think the uh L_C_D_ screen should be uh positioned at the lower end of the remote.


Well , as I said uh earlier I think the uh L_C_D_ screen should be uh positioned at the lower end of the remote.

Um the buttons for screen width and general settings and  uh and that kind of stuff


Well , as I said uh earlier I think the uh L_C_D_ screen should be uh positioned at the lower end of the remote.

Um the buttons for screen width and general settings and  uh and that kind of stuff

um we can also do let that kind of functions um be shown in the L_C_D_ screen , uh instead of uh extra buttons.


Um the buttons for screen width and general settings and  uh and that kind of stuff

um we can also do let that kind of functions um be shown in the L_C_D_ screen , uh instead of uh extra buttons.

I think young people and yeah w well every user would like that. Um the buttons um should be positioned uh positioned the same way as they are on a , well , conventional remote , I think. For the learnability and uh well to keep it recognisable. A voice recognition can be uh implemented. And uh I drew an example ,


um we can also do let that kind of functions um be shown in the L_C_D_ screen , uh instead of uh extra buttons.

I think young people and yeah w well every user would like that. Um the buttons um should be positioned uh positioned the same way as they are on a , well , conventional remote , I think. For the learnability and uh well to keep it recognisable. A voice recognition can be uh implemented. And uh I drew an example ,

but it did not work quite the well uh the way I wanted it to do.


I think young people and yeah w well every user would like that. Um the buttons um should be positioned uh positioned the same way as they are on a , well , conventional remote , I think. For the learnability and uh well to keep it recognisable. A voice recognition can be uh implemented. And uh I drew an example ,

but it did not work quite the well uh the way I wanted it to do.


but it did not work quite the well uh the way I wanted it to do.


Hmm ? Well I have the  I can draw it again ,


Hmm ? Well I have the  I can draw it again ,

and I know what I did wrong. I didn't tick the note bo box in the . Um


and I know what I did wrong. I didn't tick the note bo box in the . Um

How do you uh uh give input to the menu on the L_C_D_ screen ?


and I know what I did wrong. I didn't tick the note bo box in the . Um

How do you uh uh give input to the menu on the L_C_D_ screen ?

Um with the uh the up and down and and well buttons and the


How do you uh uh give input to the menu on the L_C_D_ screen ?

Um with the uh the up and down and and well buttons and the

Alright. So you have a menu button , and then you can go up and down.


How do you uh uh give input to the menu on the L_C_D_ screen ?

Um with the uh the up and down and and well buttons and the

Alright. So you have a menu button , and then you can go up and down.

But then we should also have an uh an Okay button.


Um with the uh the up and down and and well buttons and the

Alright. So you have a menu button , and then you can go up and down.

But then we should also have an uh an Okay button.

Well I will draw what I had drawn on the screen. Yes.


Alright. So you have a menu button , and then you can go up and down.

But then we should also have an uh an Okay button.

Well I will draw what I had drawn on the screen. Yes.


But then we should also have an uh an Okay button.

Well I will draw what I had drawn on the screen. Yes.


Well I will draw what I had drawn on the screen. Yes.


Just uh   There is already a blank. Yes ? So  Yeah.


Well these little buttons are a bit difficult to uh draw uh correct.


Well these little buttons are a bit difficult to uh draw uh correct.

Those are the the cha the channel buttons of course ?


Those are the the cha the channel buttons of course ?


Those are the the cha the channel buttons of course ?

These these will be bigger in the the real design.


These these will be bigger in the the real design.


These these will be bigger in the the real design.

This must be the Okay button used to uh interact with the L_C_D_ screen.


This must be the Okay button used to uh interact with the L_C_D_ screen.

And with this you can uh , yes , go to through the menus


And with this you can uh , yes , go to through the menus

and that can Um the video button should be uh an apart button ,


and that can Um the video button should be uh an apart button ,


and that can Um the video button should be uh an apart button ,

because you want it to uh t , yeah , to use it fast within one uh click.


because you want it to uh t , yeah , to use it fast within one uh click.


This button can also be the Menu button , we use in the menus


This button can also be the Menu button , we use in the menus

But how did  How do you get out of the menu then ? Yeah.


This button can also be the Menu button , we use in the menus

But how did  How do you get out of the menu then ? Yeah.

Well we we can add another button here , but


This button can also be the Menu button , we use in the menus

But how did  How do you get out of the menu then ? Yeah.

Well we we can add another button here , but

Maybe I you could j just do an an exit with Okay. Uh


But how did  How do you get out of the menu then ? Yeah.

Well we we can add another button here , but

Maybe I you could j just do an an exit with Okay. Uh

Uh by pe pressing the menu button again. By pressing the menu button again , you go uh out.


Well we we can add another button here , but

Maybe I you could j just do an an exit with Okay. Uh

Uh by pe pressing the menu button again. By pressing the menu button again , you go uh out.


Maybe I you could j just do an an exit with Okay. Uh

Uh by pe pressing the menu button again. By pressing the menu button again , you go uh out.


Uh by pe pressing the menu button again. By pressing the menu button again , you go uh out.

It's usual the the the d kind of the way it works.


It's usual the the the d kind of the way it works.

Yes , well but bec because when you  push Menu you get in ,


It's usual the the the d kind of the way it works.

Yes , well but bec because when you  push Menu you get in ,

and then you have to push Okay when you get to a choice.


Yes , well but bec because when you  push Menu you get in ,

and then you have to push Okay when you get to a choice.


and then you have to push Okay when you get to a choice.

Yeah. But you can men you can press menu again to get out.


and then you have to push Okay when you get to a choice.

Yeah. But you can men you can press menu again to get out.

Well that's also the Okay button. That's you you should have uh


Yeah. But you can men you can press menu again to get out.

Well that's also the Okay button. That's you you should have uh

No no , we we we should uh add uh a extra Menu button


Well that's also the Okay button. That's you you should have uh

No no , we we we should uh add uh a extra Menu button

Or you can put in the L_C_D_'s uh window an option Get Out.


No no , we we we should uh add uh a extra Menu button

Or you can put in the L_C_D_'s uh window an option Get Out.


Or you can put in the L_C_D_'s uh window an option Get Out.


Ah once you have an extra Menu button , you don't need that that extra option.


Ah once you have an extra Menu button , you don't need that that extra option.

But we need a we need a a recording recording button for the speech uh part.


But we need a we need a a recording recording button for the speech uh part.


But we need a we need a a recording recording button for the speech uh part.

if we decide to uh to implement that , maybe we should.


if we decide to uh to implement that , maybe we should.

Why would you put it uh then , and where is the recording uh the microphone ?


Why would you put it uh then , and where is the recording uh the microphone ?

That's very small. It could be uh down here.  Um. Well , not here.


That's very small. It could be uh down here.  Um. Well , not here.


That's very small. It could be uh down here.  Um. Well , not here.

I  yeah I suggest here. But that's just a little  gap. Yeah.


I  yeah I suggest here. But that's just a little  gap. Yeah.

Right , and spea speaker at the back , or something.


I  yeah I suggest here. But that's just a little  gap. Yeah.

Right , and spea speaker at the back , or something.

Well the speaker and the microphone , I think , are the same uh little hole thingy.


Right , and spea speaker at the back , or something.

Well the speaker and the microphone , I think , are the same uh little hole thingy.


Well the speaker and the microphone , I think , are the same uh little hole thingy.


Uh but uh we could uh d do , but it's perhaps more expensive , uh the speaker on the back or something.


Uh but uh we could uh d do , but it's perhaps more expensive , uh the speaker on the back or something.

Well i Um there are a all already being implemented in in coffee machines , so they won't be uh very expensive. But


Well i Um there are a all already being implemented in in coffee machines , so they won't be uh very expensive. But


Well , okay , alright. Um then let's have a look at the decisions we are going to have to make.


Well , okay , alright. Um then let's have a look at the decisions we are going to have to make.

Um  Yes. And oh I think as you can see so , the L_C_D_ screen does look better uh at the lower end , or at the bottom.


Um  Yes. And oh I think as you can see so , the L_C_D_ screen does look better uh at the lower end , or at the bottom.


You can uh   But  I did not like it very much , but


You can uh   But  I did not like it very much , but

Well these are quite obvious , very ugly remote.  Um


Well these are quite obvious , very ugly remote.  Um


W but with the colours i it's a bit the way we're going to.


But it it must not look too childish of course huh ?


Yeah. This uh these are the L_C_D_ screens. I think we should , if it's um possible , uh one with colours , but


But are we going for a strange uh form ?


You can make the the underside , you can make it more round , where the L_C_D_ is.


You can make the the underside , you can make it more round , where the L_C_D_ is.

Yes. Th a a kind of bridge. So it f falls over the hand.


You can make the the underside , you can make it more round , where the L_C_D_ is.

Yes. Th a a kind of bridge. So it f falls over the hand.

I dunno if you know the No Nokia telephone , with uh the round uh thing at at the bottoms , s something like that.


Yes. Th a a kind of bridge. So it f falls over the hand.

I dunno if you know the No Nokia telephone , with uh the round uh thing at at the bottoms , s something like that.


I dunno if you know the No Nokia telephone , with uh the round uh thing at at the bottoms , s something like that.


I dunno if you know the No Nokia telephone , with uh the round uh thing at at the bottoms , s something like that.

Well I have at home  a remote with a bridge. It's just a half round half half circle at  And then it falls exactly over the hand , and that's very nice. That's  It feels comfortable.


Well I have at home  a remote with a bridge. It's just a half round half half circle at  And then it falls exactly over the hand , and that's very nice. That's  It feels comfortable.

Yeah , but people like something uh new you know.


Yeah , but people like something uh new you know.


Yeah , alright. Um where did I put it ? Um conceptual phase , I think this is it.


These are a few examples which we have to decide about. All the the materials from the case , uh the electric cable that's all your uh your side of the story. Um


These are a few examples which we have to decide about. All the the materials from the case , uh the electric cable that's all your uh your side of the story. Um

Yeah. Um now from the user interface , your uh package ?  Um where  No well , that's more like the buttons where they have to come. And um  B a bit of , yeah well , a bit of uh design.


These are a few examples which we have to decide about. All the the materials from the case , uh the electric cable that's all your uh your side of the story. Um

Yeah. Um now from the user interface , your uh package ?  Um where  No well , that's more like the buttons where they have to come. And um  B a bit of , yeah well , a bit of uh design.

Yeah , this is what we've just done. Right ?


Yeah. Um now from the user interface , your uh package ?  Um where  No well , that's more like the buttons where they have to come. And um  B a bit of , yeah well , a bit of uh design.

Yeah , this is what we've just done. Right ?

Yes , but we have to decide about these now.


Yeah , this is what we've just done. Right ?

Yes , but we have to decide about these now.


Yes , but we have to decide about these now.


So as you said , fruity is in , well  sells good.


So we have to uh put it in one uh document.


So we have to uh put it in one uh document.

Copy paste uh this story into a into a Word document , and then uh put the answers after the subjects.  Yeah.


Copy paste uh this story into a into a Word document , and then uh put the answers after the subjects.  Yeah.

Well we have to decide all these things ?


Copy paste uh this story into a into a Word document , and then uh put the answers after the subjects.  Yeah.

Well we have to decide all these things ?

Yeah but  all these examples are uh of a coffee machine.


Well we have to decide all these things ?

Yeah but  all these examples are uh of a coffee machine.


Yeah but  all these examples are uh of a coffee machine.


Well a case ? Uh that's me. Uh I suggest  Well what do I suggest actually ?


Well a case ? Uh that's me. Uh I suggest  Well what do I suggest actually ?

What what kind of properties should it have ? Well we just listened.


What what kind of properties should it have ? Well we just listened.


Why don't we um use uh titanium or or a hard , yeah , some kind of metal for the uh the the whole remote except the front.


Why don't we um use uh titanium or or a hard , yeah , some kind of metal for the uh the the whole remote except the front.

That  Just like um most cell phones are.


That  Just like um most cell phones are.


Yeah but the non-removable elements of the of the remote , so not the front , could be titanium ,


And then the front is made of plastic. And you can put that on and off , and switch it.


Yeah , you have the re remote in your hand like this. So you feel titanium.


Yeah , you have the re remote in your hand like this. So you feel titanium.

And of course , yeah , you have the the the plastic front end. But you also have the titanium.


Yeah , you have the re remote in your hand like this. So you feel titanium.

And of course , yeah , you have the the the plastic front end. But you also have the titanium.

Yeah.  Fronts are are cheaper than when they're from plas


And of course , yeah , you have the the the plastic front end. But you also have the titanium.

Yeah.  Fronts are are cheaper than when they're from plas

Yeah of course , but yeah  you have to make a decision.


Yeah.  Fronts are are cheaper than when they're from plas

Yeah of course , but yeah  you have to make a decision.

And I don't know if you can make steel just any way you want it to.


Yeah of course , but yeah  you have to make a decision.

And I don't know if you can make steel just any way you want it to.


And I don't know if you can make steel just any way you want it to.


According to my sources , uh it's it's totally possible to make an entire uh uh uh  Titanium is available , and uh we can uh make uh an entire remote out of it , if we want.


According to my sources , uh it's it's totally possible to make an entire uh uh uh  Titanium is available , and uh we can uh make uh an entire remote out of it , if we want.

Yeah , then you you paint it in the colour you want it. The plastic is is the colour you want it.


Yeah , then you you paint it in the colour you want it. The plastic is is the colour you want it.


So , we're going for a titanium back and a plastic front ?


Okay. Um well I am going to put it in here , uh because we can uh look.


So material , um hard plastic for the front ?


So material , um hard plastic for the front ?

Yeah , for the front and then titanium for the back.


Yeah , for the front and then titanium for the back.

But then you have the problem , when you have a titanium back , you can't switch it. When you want an other colour on the front , it doesn't match.


But then you have the problem , when you have a titanium back , you can't switch it. When you want an other colour on the front , it doesn't match.


The titan titanium isn't isn't v very  Yeah , i it doesn't uh  curves.


The titan titanium isn't isn't v very  Yeah , i it doesn't uh  curves.

No uh I nei.  Titanium is very  No no no , but you know b Titanium is very basic colour ,


No uh I nei.  Titanium is very  No no no , but you know b Titanium is very basic colour ,


No uh I nei.  Titanium is very  No no no , but you know b Titanium is very basic colour ,

and it doesn't really matter if we have a purple front on it or a orange front.


and it doesn't really matter if we have a purple front on it or a orange front.


but I think it's doesn't matter very much.


but I think it's doesn't matter very much.

Our customers will use those uh funky uh trendy colours ,


Our customers will use those uh funky uh trendy colours ,


And even if it does uh doesn't match , it will uh  People like mm colours that don't match.


the the electrical cable is just normal uh .


Yeah inside , but this is for the coffee uh machine.


Yeah inside , but this is for the coffee uh machine.

Yeah well inside the remote control we use a couple of uh


Yeah well inside the remote control we use a couple of uh

Yeah , but that's not what's meant here , I think.


Yeah , but that's not what's meant here , I think.


Well   A coffee grind doesn't have  Na ja. Never mind the coffee grind.


Well   A coffee grind doesn't have  Na ja. Never mind the coffee grind.

all the all the inside work of our remote is uh standard work. So


all the all the inside work of our remote is uh standard work. So


Uh we decide about that just by looking at our competitors and our  earlier uh remotes. The conceptual specification of the user interface ? Um well we have our beautiful drawing.


Well you can put that in uh into the shared folder ,


Well you can put that in uh into the shared folder ,

I will work this out uh for the uh next meeting.


I will work this out uh for the uh next meeting.

Yes , you can  Mm yeah. You can uh put some uh which button is what.


Yes , you can  Mm yeah. You can uh put some uh which button is what.

the trend-watching   included these days. And what do we ?


the trend-watching   included these days. And what do we ?

We thing that fruit and bright colours are


the trend-watching   included these days. And what do we ?

We thing that fruit and bright colours are

I think we can launch a couple of packages. You can buy a different kind of of of machine ,


We thing that fruit and bright colours are

I think we can launch a couple of packages. You can buy a different kind of of of machine ,


I think we can launch a couple of packages. You can buy a different kind of of of machine ,

but it's the same thing , but with another front.


but it's the same thing , but with another front.


but it's the same thing , but with another front.

We can also uh implement um we can also implement fronts from um movies that are very hot.


We can also uh implement um we can also implement fronts from um movies that are very hot.


We can also uh implement um we can also implement fronts from um movies that are very hot.

Yeah that's the whole idea of the front.


Yeah that's the whole idea of the front.


But that's for later on. The fronts y you can do anything with them.


But that's for later on. The fronts y you can do anything with them.

Yeah but if you if you launch uh five different packages like iPod mini


But that's for later on. The fronts y you can do anything with them.

Yeah but if you if you launch uh five different packages like iPod mini

Yeah , right  For the uh initiative uh launch.


Yeah but if you if you launch uh five different packages like iPod mini

Yeah , right  For the uh initiative uh launch.


Yeah , right  For the uh initiative uh launch.


So e th then a c couple of basic colours. Not not very uh  sim Not


So e th then a c couple of basic colours. Not not very uh  sim Not

Yeah , n not too heavy. You can always take another pick.


So e th then a c couple of basic colours. Not not very uh  sim Not

Yeah , n not too heavy. You can always take another pick.

We should not give them the m the most lovely front when they buy it for the first time.


Yeah , n not too heavy. You can always take another pick.

We should not give them the m the most lovely front when they buy it for the first time.


We should not give them the m the most lovely front when they buy it for the first time.


We still have to make those fifty million , yeah ? .


We still have to make those fifty million , yeah ? .

Well you can you can give them uh s s three or so ,


Well you can you can give them uh s s three or so ,


Well you can you can give them uh s s three or so ,

so that they can uh experiment with it and that they want more.


so that they can uh experiment with it and that they want more.


so that they can uh experiment with it and that they want more.

Yeah but you you can have some basic colours , and then we come with the special patterns on them ,


Yeah but you you can have some basic colours , and then we come with the special patterns on them ,


Yeah but you you can have some basic colours , and then we come with the special patterns on them ,

Red red , blue and green you give them or something ,


Red red , blue and green you give them or something ,


Red red , blue and green you give them or something ,

and then you can give them  uh other ones.


and then you can give them  uh other ones.


and then you can give them  uh other ones.

Yeah. Alright. Um well the buttons etcetera , we get from Mike. Uh this fruit and bright colours , yeah well I think we'll have to in the next uh half an hour , we'll have to uh s s specify the different uh types we want to launch , when we uh  well introduce our remote.


and then you can give them  uh other ones.

Yeah. Alright. Um well the buttons etcetera , we get from Mike. Uh this fruit and bright colours , yeah well I think we'll have to in the next uh half an hour , we'll have to uh s s specify the different uh types we want to launch , when we uh  well introduce our remote.

Uh we still have to make  We have still have to make the es the the real basic design.  Because yeah we have the sketch but


Yeah. Alright. Um well the buttons etcetera , we get from Mike. Uh this fruit and bright colours , yeah well I think we'll have to in the next uh half an hour , we'll have to uh s s specify the different uh types we want to launch , when we uh  well introduce our remote.

Uh we still have to make  We have still have to make the es the the real basic design.  Because yeah we have the sketch but

Yeah. But we we must remember that  fancy look-and-feel is the most important thing.


Uh we still have to make  We have still have to make the es the the real basic design.  Because yeah we have the sketch but

Yeah. But we we must remember that  fancy look-and-feel is the most important thing.


Yeah. But we we must remember that  fancy look-and-feel is the most important thing.


Well I'll have to , before I get another warning for five minutes , I'm going to get  Where is my mouse ? Uh where is my mouse ?


Uh basic stuff. Interface we have. Supplements , L_C_D_. Maybe a a cheap voice recording. Well


Industry designer , . User Interface , Mike. You're going to work together on a prototype drawing on the SMARTboard.


But bu we stay we stay here or something ?


But bu we stay we stay here or something ?

Yes well we'll get it to hear that I think.


But bu we stay we stay here or something ?

Yes well we'll get it to hear that I think.

But I think so. Th they're saying SMARTboard and that's it


Yes well we'll get it to hear that I think.

But I think so. Th they're saying SMARTboard and that's it


But I think so. Th they're saying SMARTboard and that's it

Ah right.  And take it to our rooms and uh


Ah right.  And take it to our rooms and uh

Um so you can uh you you are going to make a prototype , and y Well that's includes uh specifying the buttons etcetera.


Ah right.  And take it to our rooms and uh

Um so you can uh you you are going to make a prototype , and y Well that's includes uh specifying the buttons etcetera.

Ah , specific instructions will be sent to you by your personal coach.


Ah right.  And take it to our rooms and uh

Um so you can uh you you are going to make a prototype , and y Well that's includes uh specifying the buttons etcetera.

Ah , specific instructions will be sent to you by your personal coach.

Yeah. So you'll get it on your em on your laptop. Um well you will go and do something else uh on the project


Um so you can uh you you are going to make a prototype , and y Well that's includes uh specifying the buttons etcetera.

Ah , specific instructions will be sent to you by your personal coach.

Yeah. So you'll get it on your em on your laptop. Um well you will go and do something else uh on the project


Ah , specific instructions will be sent to you by your personal coach.

Yeah. So you'll get it on your em on your laptop. Um well you will go and do something else uh on the project


Yeah. So you'll get it on your em on your laptop. Um well you will go and do something else uh on the project


, what are you going to do ? Uh I don't know what product evaluation exactly means , but uh you'll get uh the specifications.


Well , can we talk about something else ? Uh


Well , can we talk about something else ? Uh

Uh no I don't know anything , but maybe uh anyone else uh


Uh no I don't know anything , but maybe uh anyone else uh


Will we use uh round buttons or square ones for the for the numbers ?


And these uh these s these buttons  uh are more uh triangle-ish shaped


Well most of the time uh up and down is programme and left and right are volume , I think.


Well most of the time uh up and down is programme and left and right are volume , I think.

Yeah , it depends , but  If you turn up the volume , you always see this thingy go up.


Yeah , it depends , but  If you turn up the volume , you always see this thingy go up.

Well we uh  We we j we'll just give them an uh


Well we uh  We we j we'll just give them an uh


It doesn't work any more. We can't save them. So we'll just have them uh standing there.


It doesn't work any more. We can't save them. So we'll just have them uh standing there.

Yeah , I noticed. You can't uh click the corners.


Yeah , I noticed. You can't uh click the corners.


Well we still have uh more than five minutes. Um


Well we still have uh more than five minutes. Um

So  what are we going to do ?  I as Project Manager ha don't have a clue.


Well we still have uh more than five minutes. Um

So  what are we going to do ?  I as Project Manager ha don't have a clue.

Oh we can uh decide how we implement  the feeling from our company into the remote.


So  what are we going to do ?  I as Project Manager ha don't have a clue.

Oh we can uh decide how we implement  the feeling from our company into the remote.


Oh we can uh decide how we implement  the feeling from our company into the remote.

Well yeah. Um I think um  a logo , our company logo , and the slogan should be or could be


Well yeah. Um I think um  a logo , our company logo , and the slogan should be or could be

Yeah , why not ?  If there's enough space ,  you can put uh


Yeah , why not ?  If there's enough space ,  you can put uh


Well , our slogan is not very long. It's just a simple


But we kree we keep adjusting to the fashion with our fronts. So


But we kree we keep adjusting to the fashion with our fronts. So

You c  But you can put it on the back , on the titanium part. The logo and the and the


But we kree we keep adjusting to the fashion with our fronts. So

You c  But you can put it on the back , on the titanium part. The logo and the and the

Ah the logo should be on the top I think.


You c  But you can put it on the back , on the titanium part. The logo and the and the

Ah the logo should be on the top I think.

On the top. Yeah. Well in in in the right top corner ?


Ah the logo should be on the top I think.

On the top. Yeah. Well in in in the right top corner ?


On the top. Yeah. Well in in in the right top corner ?


And well you c On the back , you can put uh h  At the bottom , you can put the logo with the


And well you c On the back , you can put uh h  At the bottom , you can put the logo with the

Right corner , or maybe here in the middle ?


Right corner , or maybe here in the middle ?


But the logo the logo shouldn't be exchangeable , when you get off the front.


But the logo the logo shouldn't be exchangeable , when you get off the front.

Yeah it it should be hard on the on the on the board ,


Yeah it it should be hard on the on the on the board ,


Yeah , but then you must uh really uh yeah  push it in or something.


Yeah , but then you must uh really uh yeah  push it in or something.

Carved into the material.  No , you you can carve it into the titanium at the back.


Yeah , but then you must uh really uh yeah  push it in or something.

Carved into the material.  No , you you can carve it into the titanium at the back.

I l I like the idea of the of the slogan on the on the on the thing.


Carved into the material.  No , you you can carve it into the titanium at the back.

I l I like the idea of the of the slogan on the on the on the thing.


I l I like the idea of the of the slogan on the on the on the thing.


Well n n not not on the front side , I think.


Well n n not not on the front side , I think.

On the back  Yes , you you can , yeah , push that in ,


On the back  Yes , you you can , yeah , push that in ,


I think it's a nice idea ,  to make it more recognisable , that the next to the logo you have the slogan.


very small. Not  on the entire back , but uh just very small.


Yes , slogan from company on the back with logo


Yes , slogan from company on the back with logo

But we'll uh we'll take that uh with us into the design.


Yes , slogan from company on the back with logo

But we'll uh we'll take that uh with us into the design.

Lo Uh yeah. Or maybe here in the middle , but we'll decide later.


But we'll uh we'll take that uh with us into the design.

Lo Uh yeah. Or maybe here in the middle , but we'll decide later.

and logo also on the front but not exchange uh  Uh ? Hmm ?   Uh when changing fronts.


Lo Uh yeah. Or maybe here in the middle , but we'll decide later.

and logo also on the front but not exchange uh  Uh ? Hmm ?   Uh when changing fronts.


Lo Uh yeah. Or maybe here in the middle , but we'll decide later.

and logo also on the front but not exchange uh  Uh ? Hmm ?   Uh when changing fronts.

Do you do you see a bit of the of the um of the uh titanium ? O on the front ?


and logo also on the front but not exchange uh  Uh ? Hmm ?   Uh when changing fronts.

Do you do you see a bit of the of the um of the uh titanium ? O on the front ?


Do you do you see a bit of the of the um of the uh titanium ? O on the front ?

Uh maybe if we make this this this lower part titanium ,


Uh maybe if we make this this this lower part titanium ,

the front is the the upper part , and the the bit with the with the L_C_D_ screen. So


the front is the the upper part , and the the bit with the with the L_C_D_ screen. So


That's a bit  Oh that that's that's pretty cool.


That's a bit  Oh that that's that's pretty cool.

of between we can do but  But then you have two parts of front , two fronts that


of between we can do but  But then you have two parts of front , two fronts that


Else you you get problems with the L_C_D_. Like dust in it and so things like that.


Else you you get problems with the L_C_D_. Like dust in it and so things like that.

When you exchange all the fronts and it's open.


When you exchange all the fronts and it's open.


When you exchange all the fronts and it's open.

I already have uh all kinds of uh filth between the mobile.


When you exchange all the fronts and it's open.

I already have uh all kinds of uh filth between the mobile.

No , you can you can just  And then not a straight line but uh some sort of wave or something.


I already have uh all kinds of uh filth between the mobile.

No , you can you can just  And then not a straight line but uh some sort of wave or something.

you can make it go round this corner too where the logo is. Because it has to be uh there all the time you know.


No , you can you can just  And then not a straight line but uh some sort of wave or something.

you can make it go round this corner too where the logo is. Because it has to be uh there all the time you know.


you can make it go round this corner too where the logo is. Because it has to be uh there all the time you know.


Yeah. Some some kind of wei weight in it. Yeah.


Yeah. Some some kind of wei weight in it. Yeah.

Yeah. I like that bit of uh titanium also on the uh


Yeah. I like that bit of uh titanium also on the uh


A bit like uh a bit like your mobile phone.


A bit like uh a bit like your mobile phone.

Maybe you can show it. It also has the those  two distinct uh


Maybe you can show it. It also has the those  two distinct uh


So uh a little corner of titanium. We can't uh take a blank one.


So uh a little corner of titanium. We can't uh take a blank one.

Yeah , that's nice finishing touch you need.


Yeah , that's nice finishing touch you need.

Yes ,  that also sounds uh pretty uh neat.


Yes ,  that also sounds uh pretty uh neat.


No , no no no , but  I think uh this looks uh pretty nice actually.


Well uh you two are going to work together. You'll get your uh specifications on your uh laptop , and then uh  you uh


Well we can uh erase an animal I guess. Uh the fourth one.


Well we can uh erase an animal I guess. Uh the fourth one.

Yeah. Nah that's alright , that's alright.


Yeah. Nah that's alright , that's alright.


But I don't uh  Do we have to stay here ,


Well you'll  Maybe you can uh keep your uh laptop here.


Well you'll  Maybe you can uh keep your uh laptop here.

Or get your mouse. Because it's little bit uh hard to work with these uh plates.


Well you'll  Maybe you can uh keep your uh laptop here.

Or get your mouse. Because it's little bit uh hard to work with these uh plates.

The high powers from above  will have to tell us , yeah.


Or get your mouse. Because it's little bit uh hard to work with these uh plates.

The high powers from above  will have to tell us , yeah.


Or get your mouse. Because it's little bit uh hard to work with these uh plates.

The high powers from above  will have to tell us , yeah.

I always have a mouse next to my laptop.


The high powers from above  will have to tell us , yeah.

I always have a mouse next to my laptop.


I always have a mouse next to my laptop.


No just kidding. Well we have uh b you have to have a bit of humour in the in the discussions too ,


No just kidding. Well we have uh b you have to have a bit of humour in the in the discussions too ,

because it becomes too too too too stressy.


No just kidding. Well we have uh b you have to have a bit of humour in the in the discussions too ,

because it becomes too too too too stressy.

And in your remote control. So we put a touch pad on it , and say ha ha.


because it becomes too too too too stressy.

And in your remote control. So we put a touch pad on it , and say ha ha.


And in your remote control. So we put a touch pad on it , and say ha ha.


We know you'll you'll you'll hate it but


We know you'll you'll you'll hate it but

But uh th youth doesn't care about functio functionality , so


We know you'll you'll you'll hate it but

But uh th youth doesn't care about functio functionality , so

But they do want some gadgets. So that's wha what we're doing.


But uh th youth doesn't care about functio functionality , so

But they do want some gadgets. So that's wha what we're doing.


But they do want some gadgets. So that's wha what we're doing.


We've done too much in the previous meetings.


I think that's good. We all had uh our talk and we agree I guess on uh several thing , on most uh on things.


Yes , but you you get really close to the screen with your hand ,


Where's the good old chalk board with the the green board with the , how do you call it , chalk , yeah.


Maybe if i if that thing is recalibrated , we can draw a thing quick , and then before it uh  goes off again.


Finish the meeting now. Alright now we know what to do , so


Maybe w maybe we maybe w m Can we get email here ?


Um I I'm not sure. Maybe you  Yeah. Well you'll have to work on this one.


but you can scratch it off or something. It's better if you have it uh


OK , so  We  we had a meeting with , uh  with Hynek , um , in  in which , uh , uh , Sunil and Stephane , uh  summarized where they were and  and , uh , talked about where we were gonna go. So that  that happened sort of mid - week. Uh.

D did  did you guys get your code pushed together ?


OK , so  We  we had a meeting with , uh  with Hynek , um , in  in which , uh , uh , Sunil and Stephane , uh  summarized where they were and  and , uh , talked about where we were gonna go. So that  that happened sort of mid - week. Uh.

D did  did you guys get your code pushed together ?

Oh , yeah. Yeah. It 's  it 's  it 's  it was updated yesterday ,


D did  did you guys get your code pushed together ?

Oh , yeah. Yeah. It 's  it 's  it 's  it was updated yesterday ,


Oh , yeah. Yeah. It 's  it 's  it 's  it was updated yesterday ,


What was the update ? So there is th then  the  all the new features that go in.


What was the update ? So there is th then  the  all the new features that go in.

The , um , noise suppression , the re - synthesis of speech after suppression. These are the


What was the update ? So there is th then  the  all the new features that go in.

The , um , noise suppression , the re - synthesis of speech after suppression. These are the

Is the , um  the CVS mechanism working  well ?


The , um , noise suppression , the re - synthesis of speech after suppression. These are the

Is the , um  the CVS mechanism working  well ?


The , um , noise suppression , the re - synthesis of speech after suppression. These are the

Is the , um  the CVS mechanism working  well ?

Are  are people , uh , up at OGI grabbing code uh , via that ?


Is the , um  the CVS mechanism working  well ?

Are  are people , uh , up at OGI grabbing code uh , via that ?


Are  are people , uh , up at OGI grabbing code uh , via that ?


Yeah , I I don't think anybody up there is like  working on it right now.


Yeah , I I don't think anybody up there is like  working on it right now.

I think it more likely that what it means is that when Sunil is up there  he will grab it.


Yeah , I I don't think anybody up there is like  working on it right now.

I think it more likely that what it means is that when Sunil is up there  he will grab it.

Yeah. Yeah. So right now nobody 's working on Aurora there.


I think it more likely that what it means is that when Sunil is up there  he will grab it.

Yeah. Yeah. So right now nobody 's working on Aurora there.


I think it more likely that what it means is that when Sunil is up there  he will grab it.

Yeah. Yeah. So right now nobody 's working on Aurora there.

They 're  Yeah. They 're working on a different task.


Yeah. Yeah. So right now nobody 's working on Aurora there.

They 're  Yeah. They 're working on a different task.


They 're  Yeah. They 're working on a different task.


But what 'll happen is  is he 'll go back up there and , uh , Pratibha will come back from  from , uh , the east coast. Uh.


But what 'll happen is  is he 'll go back up there and , uh , Pratibha will come back from  from , uh , the east coast. Uh.

And , uh  and  and I guess actually , uh , after Eurospeech for a little bit , uh , he 'll go up there too. So , actually everybody  who 's working on it  will be up there for at least a little while. So they 'll remotely access it  from there.


But what 'll happen is  is he 'll go back up there and , uh , Pratibha will come back from  from , uh , the east coast. Uh.

And , uh  and  and I guess actually , uh , after Eurospeech for a little bit , uh , he 'll go up there too. So , actually everybody  who 's working on it  will be up there for at least a little while. So they 'll remotely access it  from there.

So has  Has anybody tried remotely accessing the CVS using , uh , uh , SSH ?


And , uh  and  and I guess actually , uh , after Eurospeech for a little bit , uh , he 'll go up there too. So , actually everybody  who 's working on it  will be up there for at least a little while. So they 'll remotely access it  from there.

So has  Has anybody tried remotely accessing the CVS using , uh , uh , SSH ?


And , uh  and  and I guess actually , uh , after Eurospeech for a little bit , uh , he 'll go up there too. So , actually everybody  who 's working on it  will be up there for at least a little while. So they 'll remotely access it  from there.

So has  Has anybody tried remotely accessing the CVS using , uh , uh , SSH ?

Um , I don't know if Hari did that or  You d


So has  Has anybody tried remotely accessing the CVS using , uh , uh , SSH ?

Um , I don't know if Hari did that or  You d

I  can actually do it today. I mean , I can just log into


Um , I don't know if Hari did that or  You d

I  can actually do it today. I mean , I can just log into


I  can actually do it today. I mean , I can just log into


Actually I  I tried wh while  when I installed the  repository , I tried from Belgium.


Actually I  I tried wh while  when I installed the  repository , I tried from Belgium.

I logged in there and I tried  to import


I logged in there and I tried  to import


But it 's  So , right now it 's the mechanism with SSH.


But it 's  So , right now it 's the mechanism with SSH.

I don't  s I didn't set up  You can also set up a CVS server  on a new port. It 's like well  uh , a main server , or d You can do a CVS server.


I don't  s I didn't set up  You can also set up a CVS server  on a new port. It 's like well  uh , a main server , or d You can do a CVS server.

Yeah. Right. Then that 's using the CVS password mechanism and all that ,


Yeah. Right. Then that 's using the CVS password mechanism and all that ,

But I didn't do that because I was not sure about  security problems. I  I would have to


But I didn't do that because I was not sure about  security problems. I  I would have to

So w when you came in from Belgian   Belgium , using SSH , uh , was it asking you for your own  password into ICSI ? So if yo you can only do that if you have an account at ICSI ?


So w when you came in from Belgian   Belgium , using SSH , uh , was it asking you for your own  password into ICSI ? So if yo you can only do that if you have an account at ICSI ?


Cuz there is an  a way to set up anonymous CVS right ?


Cuz there is an  a way to set up anonymous CVS right ?

Yeah , you ha in this way you ca you have to set up a CVS server but then , yeah , you can access it.


Yeah , you ha in this way you ca you have to set up a CVS server but then , yeah , you can access it.


You can access them and mostly if you  if y the set the server is set up like this.


You can access them and mostly if you  if y the set the server is set up like this.

OK. Because a lot of the open source stuff works with anonymous CVS and I 'm just wondering  Uh , I mean , for our transcripts we may want to do that.


OK. Because a lot of the open source stuff works with anonymous CVS and I 'm just wondering  Uh , I mean , for our transcripts we may want to do that.


Yeah , for this stuff I don't think we 're  quite up to that. I mean , we 're still so much in development.


Yeah , for this stuff I don't think we 're  quite up to that. I mean , we 're still so much in development.

yeah , yeah. Oh , I wasn't suggesting for this. I 'm  thinking of the Meeting Recorder  stuff


yeah , yeah. Oh , I wasn't suggesting for this. I 'm  thinking of the Meeting Recorder  stuff


Well , I mean , I think maybe the thing to me might be  I me I 'm sure you 've just been working on  on , uh , details of that since the meeting , right ? And so


Well , I mean , I think maybe the thing to me might be  I me I 'm sure you 've just been working on  on , uh , details of that since the meeting , right ? And so

Mmm , since the meeting , well , I  I 've been  I 've been train training a new VAD and a new  feature net.


Mmm , since the meeting , well , I  I 've been  I 've been train training a new VAD and a new  feature net.

But I guess maybe the thing  since you weren't  yo you guys weren't at that  that meeting , might be just  just to , um , sort of recap , uh , the  the conclusions of the meeting.


But I guess maybe the thing  since you weren't  yo you guys weren't at that  that meeting , might be just  just to , um , sort of recap , uh , the  the conclusions of the meeting.


You 're talking about the meeting with Hynek ?


You 're talking about the meeting with Hynek ?

Yeah. Cuz that was sort of , uh  we  we 'd sort of been working up to that , that  that , uh , he would come here this week and  and we would sort of


You 're talking about the meeting with Hynek ?

Yeah. Cuz that was sort of , uh  we  we 'd sort of been working up to that , that  that , uh , he would come here this week and  and we would sort of

Since he 's going out of town like now , and I 'm going out town in a couple weeks , uh , and time is marching , sort of , given all the mu many wonderful things we could be working on , what  what will we actually focus on ?


Yeah. Cuz that was sort of , uh  we  we 'd sort of been working up to that , that  that , uh , he would come here this week and  and we would sort of

Since he 's going out of town like now , and I 'm going out town in a couple weeks , uh , and time is marching , sort of , given all the mu many wonderful things we could be working on , what  what will we actually focus on ?


Since he 's going out of town like now , and I 'm going out town in a couple weeks , uh , and time is marching , sort of , given all the mu many wonderful things we could be working on , what  what will we actually focus on ?

And , uh  and what do we freeze ? And , you know , what do we  ? So , um. I mean , this  software that these guys created was certainly a  a key part. So then there 's something central and there aren't at least a bunch of different versions going off in  in ways that  differ  trivially. Uh , um , and , um ,


And , uh  and what do we freeze ? And , you know , what do we  ? So , um. I mean , this  software that these guys created was certainly a  a key part. So then there 's something central and there aren't at least a bunch of different versions going off in  in ways that  differ  trivially. Uh , um , and , um ,

and then within that , I guess the idea was to freeze a certain set of options for now , to run it , uh , a particular way , and decide on what things are gonna be experimented with , as opposed to just experimenting with everything. So keep a certain set of things constant. So , um. Uh , maybe describe roughly what  what we are keeping constant for now , or  ?


And , uh  and what do we freeze ? And , you know , what do we  ? So , um. I mean , this  software that these guys created was certainly a  a key part. So then there 's something central and there aren't at least a bunch of different versions going off in  in ways that  differ  trivially. Uh , um , and , um ,

and then within that , I guess the idea was to freeze a certain set of options for now , to run it , uh , a particular way , and decide on what things are gonna be experimented with , as opposed to just experimenting with everything. So keep a certain set of things constant. So , um. Uh , maybe describe roughly what  what we are keeping constant for now , or  ?

Yeah. Well. So we 've been working like six weeks on  on the noise compensation and we end up with something that seems reasonable. Um.


and then within that , I guess the idea was to freeze a certain set of options for now , to run it , uh , a particular way , and decide on what things are gonna be experimented with , as opposed to just experimenting with everything. So keep a certain set of things constant. So , um. Uh , maybe describe roughly what  what we are keeping constant for now , or  ?

Yeah. Well. So we 've been working like six weeks on  on the noise compensation and we end up with something that seems reasonable. Um.

Are you gonna use  which of the two techniques ?


and then within that , I guess the idea was to freeze a certain set of options for now , to run it , uh , a particular way , and decide on what things are gonna be experimented with , as opposed to just experimenting with everything. So keep a certain set of things constant. So , um. Uh , maybe describe roughly what  what we are keeping constant for now , or  ?

Yeah. Well. So we 've been working like six weeks on  on the noise compensation and we end up with something that seems reasonable. Um.

Are you gonna use  which of the two techniques ?

So finally it 's  it 's , um , Wiener filtering on FFT bins. And it uses , uh , two steps , smoothing of the transfer function , the first step , that 's along time , which use recursion. And  after this step there is a further smoothing along frequency , which use a sliding window of twenty FFT bins. Mmm. And , uh


Yeah. Well. So we 've been working like six weeks on  on the noise compensation and we end up with something that seems reasonable. Um.

Are you gonna use  which of the two techniques ?

So finally it 's  it 's , um , Wiener filtering on FFT bins. And it uses , uh , two steps , smoothing of the transfer function , the first step , that 's along time , which use recursion. And  after this step there is a further smoothing along frequency , which use a sliding window of twenty FFT bins. Mmm. And , uh

So this is on the  uh , before any mel scaling has been done ?


Are you gonna use  which of the two techniques ?

So finally it 's  it 's , um , Wiener filtering on FFT bins. And it uses , uh , two steps , smoothing of the transfer function , the first step , that 's along time , which use recursion. And  after this step there is a further smoothing along frequency , which use a sliding window of twenty FFT bins. Mmm. And , uh

So this is on the  uh , before any mel scaling has been done ?


So finally it 's  it 's , um , Wiener filtering on FFT bins. And it uses , uh , two steps , smoothing of the transfer function , the first step , that 's along time , which use recursion. And  after this step there is a further smoothing along frequency , which use a sliding window of twenty FFT bins. Mmm. And , uh

So this is on the  uh , before any mel scaling has been done ?


So this is on the  uh , before any mel scaling has been done ?


This  this smoothing is done on the estimate , um , of what you 're going to subtract ? Or on the thing that has already had something subtracted ?


This  this smoothing is done on the estimate , um , of what you 're going to subtract ? Or on the thing that has already had something subtracted ?

Yeah. Uh ,  it 's on the transfer function. So


This  this smoothing is done on the estimate , um , of what you 're going to subtract ? Or on the thing that has already had something subtracted ?

Yeah. Uh ,  it 's on the transfer function. So

Oh , it 's on the transfer function for the Wiener filter.


Yeah. Uh ,  it 's on the transfer function. So

Oh , it 's on the transfer function for the Wiener filter.


Oh , it 's on the transfer function for the Wiener filter.

Yeah , so basically we tried  different configuration within this idea. We tried u u applying this on mel bands , having spectral subtraction instead of wiener filtering. Um. Well , finally we end up with  this configuration that works , uh , quite well. So we are going to fix this for the moment and work on the other aspects of  the whole system.


Yeah , so basically we tried  different configuration within this idea. We tried u u applying this on mel bands , having spectral subtraction instead of wiener filtering. Um. Well , finally we end up with  this configuration that works , uh , quite well. So we are going to fix this for the moment and work on the other aspects of  the whole system.


Yeah , so basically we tried  different configuration within this idea. We tried u u applying this on mel bands , having spectral subtraction instead of wiener filtering. Um. Well , finally we end up with  this configuration that works , uh , quite well. So we are going to fix this for the moment and work on the other aspects of  the whole system.

Actually , let me int eh , Dave isn't here to talk about it , but let me just interject. This module , in principle , i I mean , you would know whether it 's  true in fact , is somewhat independent from the rest of it. I mean , because you  you re - synthesize speech , right ?


Actually , let me int eh , Dave isn't here to talk about it , but let me just interject. This module , in principle , i I mean , you would know whether it 's  true in fact , is somewhat independent from the rest of it. I mean , because you  you re - synthesize speech , right ?


Actually , let me int eh , Dave isn't here to talk about it , but let me just interject. This module , in principle , i I mean , you would know whether it 's  true in fact , is somewhat independent from the rest of it. I mean , because you  you re - synthesize speech , right ?

So , um. Uh , well you don't  I guess you don't re - synthesize speech , but you could


So , um. Uh , well you don't  I guess you don't re - synthesize speech , but you could


So , um. Uh , well you don't  I guess you don't re - synthesize speech , but you could

Well  well , we do , but we don't  don't re - synthesize. In  in the program we don't re - synthesize and then re - analyze once again. We just use the clean FFT bins.


Well  well , we do , but we don't  don't re - synthesize. In  in the program we don't re - synthesize and then re - analyze once again. We just use the clean FFT bins.

But you have a re - synthesized thing that you  that 's an  an option here.


Well  well , we do , but we don't  don't re - synthesize. In  in the program we don't re - synthesize and then re - analyze once again. We just use the clean FFT bins.

But you have a re - synthesized thing that you  that 's an  an option here.

This is an option that  then you can  Yeah.


Well  well , we do , but we don't  don't re - synthesize. In  in the program we don't re - synthesize and then re - analyze once again. We just use the clean FFT bins.

But you have a re - synthesized thing that you  that 's an  an option here.

This is an option that  then you can  Yeah.

Yeah , I gu I guess my point is that , um , i in some of the work he 's doing in reverberation , one of the things that we 're finding is that , uh , it 's  it 's  for the  for an artificial situation , we can just deal with the reverberation and his techniques work really well. But for the real situation uh , problem is , is that you don't just have reverberation , you have reverberation in noise. And if you don't include that in the model , it doesn't work very well. So in fact it might be a very nice thing to do , to just take the noise removal part of it and put that in front of what he 's looking at. And , uh , generate new files or whatever , and  and , uh , uh  and then do the reverberation part.


But you have a re - synthesized thing that you  that 's an  an option here.

This is an option that  then you can  Yeah.

Yeah , I gu I guess my point is that , um , i in some of the work he 's doing in reverberation , one of the things that we 're finding is that , uh , it 's  it 's  for the  for an artificial situation , we can just deal with the reverberation and his techniques work really well. But for the real situation uh , problem is , is that you don't just have reverberation , you have reverberation in noise. And if you don't include that in the model , it doesn't work very well. So in fact it might be a very nice thing to do , to just take the noise removal part of it and put that in front of what he 's looking at. And , uh , generate new files or whatever , and  and , uh , uh  and then do the reverberation part.


This is an option that  then you can  Yeah.

Yeah , I gu I guess my point is that , um , i in some of the work he 's doing in reverberation , one of the things that we 're finding is that , uh , it 's  it 's  for the  for an artificial situation , we can just deal with the reverberation and his techniques work really well. But for the real situation uh , problem is , is that you don't just have reverberation , you have reverberation in noise. And if you don't include that in the model , it doesn't work very well. So in fact it might be a very nice thing to do , to just take the noise removal part of it and put that in front of what he 's looking at. And , uh , generate new files or whatever , and  and , uh , uh  and then do the reverberation part.


Yeah , I gu I guess my point is that , um , i in some of the work he 's doing in reverberation , one of the things that we 're finding is that , uh , it 's  it 's  for the  for an artificial situation , we can just deal with the reverberation and his techniques work really well. But for the real situation uh , problem is , is that you don't just have reverberation , you have reverberation in noise. And if you don't include that in the model , it doesn't work very well. So in fact it might be a very nice thing to do , to just take the noise removal part of it and put that in front of what he 's looking at. And , uh , generate new files or whatever , and  and , uh , uh  and then do the reverberation part.